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| * ShadowJK notices pali's warning about thumb in sdk | 01:18 | |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if it's normal thumb1 (that works) or thumb2/thumbee (that's unstable) that he's referring to | 01:18 |
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| freemangordon | ShadowJK: it is thumb2 | 01:19 |
| ShadowJK | k | 01:19 |
| freemangordon | gcc uses thumb2 by default on cortex-a8 | 01:19 |
| freemangordon | actually I don't think there is a way to use thumb1 | 01:19 |
| freemangordon | (if targeting anything above arm5) | 01:19 |
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| merlin1991 | ShadowJK: the sdk problem is even worse | 03:37 |
| merlin1991 | thumb is part of the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, so only if a rules file checks for those it has an effect | 03:38 |
| merlin1991 | and only a few system packages actually do that | 03:38 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 03:39 |
| ShadowJK | would be interesting to check binaries in extras* to see how many are built with thumbee | 03:39 |
| merlin1991 | autobuilder has yet another set of DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS | 03:40 |
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| LaoLang_cool | Will cssu versoin add the feature call duration log in future | 06:22 |
| LaoLang_cool | ? | 06:22 |
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| ensoe | hello. I realize it's late (at least for some people). I was wondering if I could get some help. My n900 won't boot up - it keeps looping in a boot, I can't flash either because it can't enumerate USB device. I'm stuck. All I really want is try to backup my data. | 09:26 |
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| kerio | Estel_: install kernel-power-flasher (for kp51), make sure you're on the latest cssu-testing and upgrade everything there, then enable the thumb repo, upgrade everything except mp-fremantle-community-pr (because it would require you to change kernels for no good reason yet) with apt-get (you can probably apt-get upgrade, the metapackage will be held back because of the weird dependencies, everything else is a straight upgrade - if not, hold the packag | 10:45 |
| kerio | e with dpkg --set-selections) | 10:45 |
| kerio | whoops | 10:45 |
| kerio | - if not, hold the package with dpkg --set-selections) | 10:45 |
| kerio | and then reboot | 10:45 |
| kerio | if stuff breaks, restore your BM backup :) | 10:45 |
| kerio | (straight upgrade: the version is the same, but there's -thumb instead of -testing at the end, so it has a greater version) | 10:46 |
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| freemangordon | WTF? gitorious does not show thumb-testing branch of microb-engine | 11:57 |
| kerio | hey freemangordon | 11:59 |
| kerio | i love you <3 | 11:59 |
| freemangordon | naah, thanks, I have a GF :P | 12:00 |
| kerio | YOU CAN'T STOP MY LOVE | 12:01 |
| kerio | but srsly, kp > kcssu | 12:01 |
| freemangordon | kerio: today ot tomorrow there will be an updated KCSSU ;) | 12:03 |
| kerio | even if they're the same | 12:09 |
| kerio | "yay" | 12:10 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: KCSSU == KP rebranded. And that is on purpose | 12:15 |
| freemangordon | right now what is in the repo is ===KP50 | 12:15 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: stupid gitorious does not show microb-engine thumb-testing branch, any idea what to do. everything is pushed though. | 12:29 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: you should put http://i.imgur.com/k4wmw.jpg in the cssu-thumb thread | 15:19 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: ping | 16:10 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ping | 16:28 |
| Pali | pong | 16:28 |
| freemangordon | paly, what is that trickery KP is doing with joikuspot .ko? | 16:29 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ | 16:29 |
| Pali | do you want to use joikuspot with kp? | 16:30 |
| freemangordon | no, it is about kernel-cssu | 16:30 |
| freemangordon | i will push a new version with replaces:kernel | 16:30 |
| freemangordon | just wondering if it wouldn't break something | 16:30 |
| Pali | you need to load joikuspot.ko before starting joikucpot | 16:31 |
| Pali | then it should work | 16:31 |
| freemangordon | and it searches .ko in lib/modules/current? | 16:31 |
| Pali | joikuspot.ko must be recompiled for current runninf kernel | 16:31 |
| Pali | joikuspot loading module from /usr/sbin/joikuspot.ko | 16:31 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 16:32 |
| freemangordon | that is wahy you divert it | 16:32 |
| freemangordon | *why | 16:32 |
| Pali | it call "insmod /usr/sbin/joikuspot" | 16:32 |
| Pali | diversion is deleted in kp4? | 16:32 |
| freemangordon | ok, I got it now. so we distribute our own .ko | 16:32 |
| Pali | somebody say that it is not working anymore... | 16:33 |
| freemangordon | kp4? | 16:33 |
| kerio | is supporting joikuspot really a good idea? | 16:33 |
| Pali | no joikuspot | 16:33 |
| Pali | I do not care about joikuspot | 16:33 |
| Pali | and noody seems using it | 16:33 |
| freemangordon | Pali: if we still want to have community kernel, we should break as little as possible | 16:33 |
| Pali | if somebody want to test.... we still providing kernel module | 16:33 |
| freemangordon | well, joikuspot has foss replacement, so yes, | 16:34 |
| kerio | ...why does joikuspot store modules in /usr/sbin? | 16:34 |
| freemangordon | we can live without it | 16:34 |
| Pali | sorry but app which load kernel module from /usr/sbin is BAD app | 16:34 |
| Pali | which should be removed!! | 16:34 |
| kerio | it's shit like this, developers of closed-source programs | 16:34 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 16:34 |
| Pali | we have more open source hotspot apps which working | 16:34 |
| freemangordon | Pali: do fcam drivers work with KP? | 16:35 |
| Pali | I do not see reason to support some closed source... | 16:35 |
| Pali | I do not know what is state of fcam | 16:35 |
| Pali | I never used this sw | 16:35 |
| Pali | maybe asking fcam devs is good idea | 16:35 |
| freemangordon | which software uses fcam drivers? | 16:35 |
| kerio | fcamera :) | 16:36 |
| freemangordon | is it in extras? | 16:36 |
| kerio | and hdr-something | 16:36 |
| kerio | yeah, they're opensource | 16:36 |
| freemangordon | ok, going to try it | 16:36 |
| ShadowJK | also lowlight | 16:38 |
| freemangordon | well, one application should be enough to test | 16:38 |
| kerio | hrmpf, maemo.org doesn't show reverse dependencie | 16:39 |
| kerio | s | 16:39 |
| freemangordon | fcamera works like charm | 16:42 |
| freemangordon | Nokia-N900:/root$ uname -r | 16:42 |
| freemangordon | 2.6.28.10-cssu2 | 16:42 |
| kerio | but... how? | 16:42 |
| kerio | Now compiles a version for the power kernel and a version for | 16:43 |
| kerio | the vanilla kernel and packs them both into the same .deb | 16:43 |
| kerio | oh, cheating ¬.¬ | 16:43 |
| freemangordon | kerio: I don't have KP installed | 16:49 |
| kerio | you have something really similar | 16:56 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon: the gitorious webinterface is only slow as fuck on the uptake | 17:56 |
| merlin1991 | by now it does show the thumb-testing branch | 17:56 |
| merlin1991 | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/microb-engine/commits/thumb-testing | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: Pali: seems you start to get my point why CSSU won't ship own kernel for a looong time to come | 17:59 |
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| amiconn | freemangordon: Which foss hotspot app exists that fully replaces joikuspot? I do have "mobile hotspot" installed, but that only does WEP, not WPA. So essentially no security... | 21:07 |
| kerio | oh god we found the one joikuspot user | 21:11 |
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| amiconn | I'm not... | 21:13 |
| amiconn | Just saying there's no full replacement, afaik | 21:13 |
| kerio | so write one! :D | 21:13 |
| * amiconn never really needed a hotspot app so far | 21:14 | |
| Estel_ | amiconn, joikuspot doesn't do wpa, and if it claims it does, it lies | 21:22 |
| Estel_ | any kind of mobile hotspot on n900 is essentialy ad-hoc, which can do wep only | 21:22 |
| Estel_ | QT MobileHotspot (nmot sure it it's exact same as mobilehotspot, seems like based on code of the latter) | 21:23 |
| Estel_ | +BTW, on N950, joikuspot also does wep only | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +BTW all this is rather irrelevant as we never know who's doing what wrt kernel modules, and a policy of "app $XY not compatible to our ACME kernel? so what, it can go get lost, as we don't care" is not exactly what the vast majority of maemo users will appreciate | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | every user is free to do that decision on his/her own discretion, whether the kernel used should support all stuff like stock kernel (means it will be stock kernel after all, as I still don't see that ABI-compatible kernel coming), or installing any ACME kernel that has nice new features but doesn't support $XY anymore | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU however will NOT force users to switch to any of those non-compatible ACME kernels | 21:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not until we need to fix some really catastrophic bug in *system* that in turn depends on a fixed/tweaked kernel | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU will not introduce a "depends $random-kernel-feature" just for the leetness | 21:42 |
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| Estel_ | Well, I'm fine with that, but I'm afraid it may result in stall of cssu development, and need for someone to backport features from CSSU-thumb kernels | 22:05 |
| Estel_ | CSSU-thumb features, not kernels | 22:05 |
| Estel_ | it shouldn't be sop hard to do, but still requires someone working on it | 22:05 |
| Estel_ | I doubt that joikuspot (which works, BTW), will be enough to keep people on cssu-compatible | 22:05 |
| Estel_ | not my problem, though | 22:05 |
| kerio | Estel_: the problem isn't joikuspot, the problem is $bitrotten_closed_program | 22:28 |
| Estel_ | wut? | 22:29 |
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