| juiceme | okay, the next item? | 00:01 |
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| nieldk | Active member signup | 00:01 |
| juiceme | have you lookes at the template chem|st mailed | 00:01 |
| peterleinchen_ | nieldk, WHO should be moderator (for such thread)? | 00:02 |
| juiceme | basic form + the Maemo e.V. rules | 00:02 |
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| peterleinchen_ | entry approval seems okay, did not read the rest (too much) | 00:02 |
| Sicelo | what's the link for the template? | 00:03 |
| juiceme | well, I only read the english part, but the german thing should say the same :) | 00:03 |
| peterleinchen_ | BUT there could be problems as I am afraid there wont be too much people giving away all that private info ... | 00:03 |
| juiceme | Sicelo, it was on mail, I'll post it up to web just a minute. | 00:04 |
| Sicelo | thank you | 00:04 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, true, but we _are_ a registered association so some things are mandated by law | 00:04 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme, yep. | 00:05 |
| nieldk | juiceme | 00:05 |
| nieldk | juiceme | 00:05 |
| nieldk | juicme correct | 00:05 |
| Win7Mac | its the same as with your soccer, bingo or polo club... | 00:05 |
| Win7Mac | or ancient phone collectors club, actually ;) | 00:06 |
| nieldk | agree, I think that suggestion looks fine | 00:07 |
| nieldk | To simplify, would it be acceptable to retrieve the scanned copy on say a webform, or by email? | 00:08 |
| juiceme | allright, here's the proposal: http://www.swagman.org/juice/MITGLIEDSANTRAG_Maemo_Community_Formular.pdf | 00:08 |
| juiceme | Sicelo ^^^ | 00:08 |
| juiceme | nieldk, I'd say filled copy with signatures, scanned and emailed would be fine | 00:10 |
| juiceme | no need to snail-mail papers IMHO | 00:10 |
| nieldk | I agree to that, obviously | 00:11 |
| peterleinchen_ | knowing the german law I am afraid snail-mail needed :( | 00:11 |
| peterleinchen_ | chemist should know and confirm | 00:11 |
| peterleinchen_ | win7mac, or you? | 00:11 |
| juiceme | snail-mail was definitely needed when we had the inaugural meeting, to get the e.V. registered! | 00:11 |
| peterleinchen_ | otherwise agreed | 00:11 |
| nieldk | In financial terms (working in such an organization), an email, or upload is OK. To verify signature, a scanned copy of for example passport is needed as well. | 00:12 |
| juiceme | chem|st said on the mail that email of scanned copy is fine | 00:12 |
| juiceme | yes, that too | 00:12 |
| juiceme | in case of no passoprt, would drivers licence do? | 00:13 |
| juiceme | (in finland it's acceptable in many places even though it is not _strictly_ an ID) | 00:13 |
| nieldk | anything official, which would prove the signature. With photo | 00:13 |
| nieldk | same here | 00:14 |
| nieldk | mostly used is actually a drivers license copy. But a few doesnt have that | 00:14 |
| peterleinchen_ | could be sufficient for that (definitely not for flying or registering a company)) | 00:15 |
| peterleinchen_ | what about those younger people out there? | 00:15 |
| peterleinchen_ | below 18 would need parents approval??? | 00:16 |
| Win7Mac | email of scanned copy should be fine I'd say, since manipulating that form or putting false info would be fraud | 00:16 |
| juiceme | the rules say that to apply must be 14 years old | 00:16 |
| juiceme | it is possible that parents approval is needed for minors between 14...18 | 00:17 |
| nieldk | believe in DK anyone under 15 would need parents signature, and I feel sure that is so in EU | 00:17 |
| juiceme | nieldk, yes, in finland some limits are 16y and some 18y | 00:18 |
| Win7Mac | should be true | 00:18 |
| juiceme | and there even is a limit of 21y for buying strong spirits for example :) | 00:18 |
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| peterleinchen_ | NOT in DE ;) (only 18y) | 00:19 |
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| juiceme | which I used to think was bad when I was a teenager, but now consider wisdom :) | 00:19 |
| peterleinchen_ | ;) | 00:19 |
| juiceme | age adds perspective :) | 00:19 |
| nieldk | so, then we would need parents signature of approval <18 since this is DE registred | 00:19 |
| juiceme | yes, that needs to be added | 00:20 |
| nieldk | in that case, we need some evidence that those signing up is actually above 18 | 00:20 |
| peterleinchen_ | how much members do we expect to get form those "youngsters" then? (000-009?) | 00:21 |
| nieldk | eg passport/drivers license etc | 00:21 |
| juiceme | yep | 00:21 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, there are at least some pretty young people on TMO | 00:21 |
| juiceme | so maybe a few would like to join | 00:22 |
| peterleinchen_ | yes, I know. but I do not expect their parents to sign some e.V. joining | 00:22 |
| juiceme | possibly. | 00:22 |
| nieldk | unfortunately needed | 00:23 |
| peterleinchen_ | but I agree we (maemo) has possibly no other chance to survive | 00:23 |
| nieldk | (unless we can find sponsors) | 00:24 |
| nieldk | ^unlikely | 00:24 |
| peterleinchen_ | nieldk, someone in mind? | 00:24 |
| juiceme | I would not hold my breath on that | 00:25 |
| Win7Mac2 | I wouldnt too | 00:25 |
| juiceme | we should plan on having no sponsors, living by give of the community | 00:25 |
| nieldk | which actually fits good in the spirit of TMO I think | 00:26 |
| juiceme | +1 | 00:26 |
| peterleinchen_ | a new "keep on the lights" campaign? | 00:27 |
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| juiceme | yes, that is needed at some point. The current infra is running on some donation if I remember correctly | 00:28 |
| juiceme | but eventually that'll time out and we need some income | 00:29 |
| nieldk | donations I think is necessary | 00:31 |
| nieldk | so, +1 for that | 00:31 |
| peterleinchen_ | Win7Mac, is there a chance you could tie this e.V. thing into a few simple sentences once more on TMO. or better first to council@m.o? | 00:31 |
| peterleinchen_ | as I do see the non-responses from community as "not-good" signs | 00:32 |
| peterleinchen_ | no reaction, no interst, no menbers, ... | 00:32 |
| peterleinchen_ | possibly posted together with the referendum post? | 00:33 |
| Win7Mac | FYI, HiFo has ~2.600 Euro to hand over to MC eV | 00:33 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, it is unfortunately true. also all kind of jump-thru-hoops-to-join is sure to make some people not consider joining | 00:33 |
| peterleinchen_ | Win7Mac, not that much | 00:34 |
| Win7Mac | 3.378 USD | 00:34 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, that should keep servers running for some while when we need to start paying for it | 00:35 |
| juiceme | (I still am not sure how long do we have "gratis" running time left) | 00:35 |
| Win7Mac | all servers are ~for free | 00:35 |
| juiceme | yes for now, but was it ot a set duration? | 00:35 |
| Win7Mac | (50 Euro/year) | 00:35 |
| juiceme | aa | 00:35 |
| juiceme | continuously??? | 00:36 |
| juiceme | that's a hell of a donation | 00:36 |
| juiceme | considering the traffic and storage | 00:36 |
| Win7Mac | 0 Euro for backup, 50 Euro for all maemo.org | 00:36 |
| Win7Mac | continuously, I believe | 00:36 |
| juiceme | somebody must love Maemo | 00:36 |
| juiceme | a lot! | 00:37 |
| Win7Mac | thank warfare + chemist foremost | 00:37 |
| peterleinchen_ | big THANKS to IPHH | 00:38 |
| peterleinchen_ | and of course our techstaff | 00:38 |
| juiceme | beutiful | 00:39 |
| Win7Mac | peterleinchen_, ^^ "...tie this e.V. thing into a few simple sentences once more..." ok, where to put the stress on? | 00:43 |
| peterleinchen_ | win7mac, simple mail | 00:44 |
| peterleinchen_ | or CC wiki page? | 00:44 |
| Win7Mac | it actually is all in the diagramm, I thought it more-or-less would speak for itself: http://i.imgur.com/Bv8RbSi.jpg | 00:44 |
| nieldk | have to leave you now. getting quite late here | 00:44 |
| Win7Mac | ...sadly it seems not.... | 00:45 |
| peterleinchen_ | lets say it needs to be interpreted ... | 00:47 |
| Win7Mac | *1) Board may change bylaws by unanimous decision | 00:48 |
| Win7Mac | *2) General Assembly may change bylaws by 2/3 majority | 00:48 |
| Win7Mac | *3) General Assembly may change General Regulations incl. Council Election Rules by 2/3 majority | 00:48 |
| juiceme | the diagram is pretty good, condensed form of the whole shebang. | 00:49 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, there is also explanation in the text on many of posts of Win7Mac on TMO | 00:49 |
| Win7Mac | it sure grew over time... | 00:50 |
| nieldk | yes, I think Win7Mac explained it in details already, and I dont think that more can be said | 00:50 |
| nieldk | anyway, going to bed here now | 00:51 |
| nieldk | see you next week :) | 00:51 |
| juiceme | same for me. | 00:51 |
| Win7Mac | ...addressing the sweet spot~ a year ago: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1370715&postcount=10 | 00:51 |
| juiceme | early morning tomorrow | 00:51 |
| juiceme | or today actually | 00:51 |
| nieldk | yep, 5 hrs | 00:51 |
| nieldk | until wake-up | 00:51 |
| juiceme | ya. | 00:52 |
| juiceme | good night, l8er | 00:52 |
| nieldk | good night | 00:52 |
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| Win7Mac | l8er gater o/ | 00:53 |
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| peterleinchen_ | good night all | 00:53 |
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