IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Tuesday, 2014-09-09

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nieldkYo guys23:01
peterleinchen_yay23:01
nieldkeveryone (i)watching :P23:02
sixwheeledbeasto/23:02
Win7Macyo o/23:02
sixwheeledbeastis there an agenda for todays meeting?23:08
juicemehi all!23:08
peterleinchen_\o23:09
peterleinchen_no not really, or?23:09
nieldkas I recall from the mails, referemdum for council election, and sign-up procedure for active members ?23:09
juiceme6wheels, I proposed agenda to talk about the maemo e.V. membership and need for referendum23:10
juicemeyes23:10
juicemenieldk, you were faster than I :)23:11
nieldkseems both important subjects23:11
peterleinchen_Yes.23:12
peterleinchen_is Doc around?23:12
peterleinchen_RzR is not here, right?23:12
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nieldkdont see doc, nor rZr23:12
nieldkchemist?23:13
juicemeanyone seen estel lately, I invited him to drop by as he's curious about the membership registration23:13
nieldkone more item, should be fast. Seems not all certificates are updated http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=143847523:14
sixwheeledbeastI have not seen Estel on IRC for a long time23:14
sixwheeledbeastI was about to mention certs too.23:15
peterleinchen_certs are solved23:15
peterleinchen_thanks to warfare23:15
juicemepeterleinchen_, good. Who's taking care of that, xes?23:15
sixwheeledbeastalso css issues on https://wiki.maemo.org23:15
sixwheeledbeastseems related to static.m.o23:15
peterleinchen_sixwheeledbeast, could you report directly to techstaff[at]maemo.org?23:16
peterleinchen_with details (as I do not see it)23:16
peterleinchen_juiceme, fstern/warfare already solved that23:17
juicemeokay23:17
peterleinchen_s/that/that cert/23:17
peterleinchen_seems he missed that one and nobody noticed (except nokiabot)23:18
sixwheeledbeast:nod:23:18
nieldkThanks Peter, for handling that23:18
peterleinchen_it wasn't me, it was xes and warfare23:19
peterleinchen_I just reported to them ;)23:19
sixwheeledbeastso we have certs for all sites?23:19
juicemeno wonder really, I guess there are bits like that all around, some parts of the maemo engine can be easily overlooked23:19
peterleinchen_yes. and if you find one without we should get one, too23:19
nieldkwant me to do a scan ;)23:19
juicemenieldk, I do remember you had some pentesting experience :)23:20
nieldknaw, only 10 years or so23:20
juiceme:p23:21
nieldkofficially23:21
peterleinchen_"officially" :)23:21
nieldk;)23:21
nieldkhacked a phone competition show on DR1 (Denmark) once upon a time. They were calling random pepole, who could win. Oh my, they only got busy signals all the time, oh well hehe23:22
nieldkshhh23:22
juicemebut yes a scan for the latest vulnerabilities + general conformity test would not hurt I guess...23:22
nieldk;)23:22
juicemenieldk oo that was bad :)23:23
nieldkThat shouldnt hurt, and probably not create a heavy load that would be noticable23:23
juicemeproperly done it's never noticed by target :)23:24
nieldkjuiceme I told them, some 10 years after LOL23:24
nieldklog files will grow23:24
juicemethat's what rotation is for :p23:25
nieldkyep23:25
nieldk(still, they get zipped)23:25
nieldkanway, probably better to let tech guys know, before23:25
Win7Mactime's runnin... someone reminded RzR?23:26
sixwheeledbeastI am sure he's away most of Sept23:26
sixwheeledbeastIIRC23:26
juicemedo it on ##maemo-admin23:27
Win7Macah, right23:27
peterleinchen_RzR is away (full of September)23:27
juicemeoh sorry forgot about that, had a chat with RzR earlier today, he's on 3week holiday23:27
juicemeoff-da-net pretty much23:28
juicemeand Doc told last time that he'll stay away23:28
peterleinchen_did he?23:28
juicemeso in fact we are present and able as the Council23:28
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nieldkhi rZr (was just told youre on vacation)23:29
peterleinchen_RzR, \o23:29
Win7MacRzR: yay!23:29
nieldk^ RzR23:30
juicemehi RzR, we just were about to declare you missing :)23:31
Win7Mac:)23:31
juicemeAnyway, I remembered it wrong, actually Doc said "Know what? I'm afk till next week"23:32
juicemeso it might be he'll pop in if he has time23:32
peterleinchen_yes, thats the wording I remember23:33
RzRhi23:33
peterleinchen_lets see23:33
RzRjust saying hi23:33
peterleinchen_RzR, hi23:33
nieldkhi RzR23:34
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nieldkSo, next topic, referendum ?23:38
juicemeyes23:38
juicemeso how should the wording of the referendum be set?23:39
peterleinchen_to get it right: referendum for what/why23:39
juicemeI assume this is going to be a simple yes/no voting23:39
juicemethis should be to clear the issue of council position23:40
juicemewas chem|st aroung? he could explain it23:41
juicemes/aroung/around/23:41
RzRas u have noticed my connectivity is miseable nowbut i am reading23:41
juicemeRzR, you via 2g?23:41
peterleinchen_juiceme, chemist wrote he will not participate today23:42
juicemeah23:42
RzRwifi in front of a crowded customs desk23:42
juiceme:)23:43
peterleinchen_juiceme, I still not get it. what is the wording for yes/no referendum?23:43
RzRso dont panic if i am silent.. might be afk soon23:43
juicemepeterleinchen_, it is about the fact that council is elected from Garage memberships, but Maemo e.V. electorate is the active members23:45
juicemethere is problem of power-vs-responsibility23:46
Win7Macwording of referenda usually gets discussed in community, usually, like last time: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8956023:46
juicemeI have to admit I am not too good on these legalish things23:46
juicemeWin7Mac, thanks23:47
Win7Macthis referendum should be about adopting council election rules esp. as explained somewhere earlier, let me check...23:48
Win7Macmay take a minute though23:48
juicemenp23:48
RzRme neither more into hacks and community but it should not ignored23:49
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Win7Macdont really have the time to look it up, but it was in the open letter-thread i believe23:50
juicemeokay, so we should start a thread on the referendum wording at TMO23:50
juicemethat can be sorted out later.23:51
Win7Macyou should suggest a wording?23:51
RzRgood idea23:51
juicememmh, yes, I can do that.23:51
Win7Macnot you personally but council... ;)23:52
nieldkhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1435370&postcount=123:52
juicemeor actually I'll talk with chem|st about it, he seems to know this thing pretty good23:52
RzRi will alsomention about code of conducts rules i gave last week23:52
juicemeWin7Mac, sure :)23:53
juicemeRzR, based on the KDe example for example?23:54
juicemeyes, soething like that'd be good23:54
RzRto avoid the thread to be ruinned23:56
juicemeyes, but fortunately there's always moderation if the whole thing goes off the hand23:57
nieldkyes, such thread should be moderated heavily to avoid OT flame wars etc23:58

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