IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2019-09-10

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DocScrutinizer05brolin_empey: >>a push-button wired POTS corded telephone from 1980 with an acoustic bell instead of an electronic tone generator, which uses electronics but is not a computer, can still function on the PSTN in 2019.<< afaik all PSTN analog lines anywhere (getting fewer by the day) are supposed and usually do acept even pulse dialing as found in a rotary dial PSTN phone from say 195000:48
Juestohey joe00:50
DocScrutinizer05~FAM00:51
infobotwell, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam00:51
DocScrutinizer05~hamvsfam00:52
infobotsomebody said hamvsfam was https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9322700:52
DocScrutinizer05~speedyHAM00:52
infobothmm... speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU.00:52
JuestoHuh00:53
DocScrutinizer05~botsnack00:54
infobotDocScrutinizer05: :)00:54
xmnwasn't aware of speedyHAM! will have a look, thx!00:54
DocScrutinizer05yw00:54
DocScrutinizer05~cssu00:54
infobotrumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)00:54
xmnwhere do I find speedyHAM?01:06
Juestoxmn: It is part of CSSU as it was mentioned.01:10
xmnah, I missed that somehow. So currently part or in an upcoming release. I'm running 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo12 testing01:12
xmngetting warmer :D, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1425997&postcount=2401:16
xmnor am I just missing the boat, is the built in HAM in cssu speedyHAM?01:17
DocScrutinizer05yes01:19
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xmnah, I see that's would be why I didn't hear about it as a separate install.01:19
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xmnThx guys for the knowledge.01:20
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DocScrutinizer05yw, that's why we're here01:23
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xmn:)01:23
DocScrutinizer05~literal  speedyHAM01:24
infobot"speedyham" is "30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU."01:24
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, speedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU replacing the original Hildon application Manager there01:25
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay01:25
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, speedyHAM is 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in ~CSSU replacing the original Hildon application Manager there01:26
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay01:26
DocScrutinizer05~speedyham01:26
infobotfrom memory, speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in ~CSSU replacing the original Hildon application Manager there01:26
JuestoHmm01:26
DocScrutinizer05Juesto: ?01:29
DocScrutinizer05don't agree?01:29
Juestooh, hey just got back so yeah, there goes my interest in maemo lol01:30
Juestoyeah, thats better actually01:30
xmnthat wording does make more sense from someone who's not following all the changes.01:32
JuestoIndeed01:32
xmn"now included in ~CSSU replacing the original Hildon application Manager there"01:32
xmnthank for that change!01:32
xmn*thanks01:32
DocScrutinizer05>>push-button wired POTS corded telephone from 1980 with an acoustic bell instead of an electronic tone generator<< intriguing smartass idea :-D01:34
DocScrutinizer05did you know infobot also known as apt, thanks to which we got all that nice "expert system"01:37
DocScrutinizer05thanks apt01:37
infobotno worries, DocScrutinizer0501:37
xmnlol01:37
DocScrutinizer05let's try some leete aptness01:39
DocScrutinizer05~dfind dbus01:40
DocScrutinizer05ugh01:40
DocScrutinizer05[10 Sep 2019 00:40:08] <infobot> Updating debian files... please wait.01:40
DocScrutinizer05[10 Sep 2019 00:40:13] <infobot> failed.01:40
xmnhaha, should have stopped while ahead ... lol01:41
DocScrutinizer05there's a command to tell apt/infobot _which_ debian release to update and search01:41
DocScrutinizer05I never use it so... no idea about the details01:42
xmnheh, love all the useful bot stuff. Though I never use them much.01:42
DocScrutinizer05~+help ddesc01:43
infobot   Desc: Search the Description: lines in Debian packages01:43
infobot  Usage: ddesc <string> [dist]01:43
infobotExample: ddesc mule01:43
infobotExample: ddesc mule potato01:43
DocScrutinizer05~query01:43
infobottalk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :)01:43
xmnlol01:44
Juestolol01:46
DocScrutinizer05a pity I can't use ~die like other normal users ;-D She takes my word literally01:46
DocScrutinizer05the bot has quite some "Eliza" qualities ;-D01:47
DocScrutinizer05~attack xmn01:47
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing xmn01:47
DocScrutinizer05cya!01:48
xmnhaha, xman runs away01:48
xmnsee yah01:48
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Vajbhalftux said that he'll put server.tglpub file to his homepage, but what is his homepage :D10:40
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HalftuxVajb: I forgot to directly put server.tglpub. However I put the old package 1.3.1-5 to my webspace so you need to extract the server.tglpub from it if it is ok for you11:26
Halftuxhttp://www.setius.net/downs/maemo/purple-protocol-telegram_1.3.1-5_armel.deb11:27
Halftuxotherwise I could upload only that file up to you11:28
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VajbHalftux: it seems to work now, thanks a lot11:36
HalftuxVajb: what you did installed the old packages or using the server.tglpub file?11:44
Halftuxsicelo: I put new purple-protocol-telegram package and cutenews/cutetube2 workaround packages compiled everything with cssu/openssl1.1 environment. Feel free to try http://www.setius.net/downs/maemo/qtcssu/11:47
siceloHalftux: will test. this should work with qt-cssu15?11:48
Halftuxyes11:48
sicelolovely.11:48
siceloi'll report back once tested11:48
Halftuxthere is also a new and untested telegram-cli with sources in that folder11:50
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VajbHalftux: I installed old version, copied the server.tglpub, installed new version and put server.tglpub to /etc/telegram-purple folder13:11
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Vajbbtw. Are there any plans of implementing that super group feature of telegram? Im in one, and messages from there are not shown in telegram-purple.13:48
Vajbsuper group being a group in which can be hundreds of ppl13:48
HalftuxVajb: ok great that it work like this maybe next version I will upload to extras will have that file. However I think it is not needed and it seems it is some fallback.13:50
HalftuxVajb: I think I am not able to implement this feature but you could request it at https://github.com/majn/telegram-purple However it seems it support supergroups there is an open ticket "can't send images to supergroup" maybe it does not work with our old pidgin13:55
Halftuxsicelo: about secret chats there is also a ticket https://github.com/majn/telegram-purple/issues/40713:57
Halftuxsicelo: what kind of platform and telegram client is your sister using13:59
siceloshe's using the standard Android client on Android 9 (Nokia 3)14:08
VajbHalftux: ok, thx for information. I'll consider if I really need a feature in which hundreds of users spam my device with pointless memes :)14:30
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halftuxsixwheeledbeast: don't be scared I added my cssu-thumb notes to maemo wiki https://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_(gcc4.7.2-linaro)22:50
sixwheeledbeastno worries?22:51
halftuxwhy?22:58
halftuxme not22:58
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sixwheeledbeastIt's fine, was just confused why I would be scared :)23:05
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