IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2017-10-17

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jonwildamn, I closed the window and now I cant remember who fmg told me to talk to about cssu-testing01:22
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991:02:30
DocScrutinizer05sicelo: that sounds extremely promising02:39
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: seen this?^^^  [2017-10-16 Mon 22:18:25] <sicelo> you can use wpa_supplicant though, if you first stop wlancond, and can live with having some applications get confused about connectivity state02:40
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jonwilI suspect the answer is to figure out what external interfaces are exposed by the wlan system (wlancond, eapd, icd plugins, related connectivity UI bits) then figure out who else needs those interfaces and go from there. It probably isn't that hard, even the gconf keys could be figured out fairly easily with a bit of work in IDA02:44
jonwilThen you could easily rip the whole subsystem out (including the ICD plugins and related UI bits) and replace it with something else based around wpa_supplicant02:45
jonwilI am busy getting things into cssu-devel and also cleaning up my pigsty of an apartment so I wont be doing that right now02:45
jonwilIf you replace things like connui-conndlgs-wlan and connui-iapsettings-wlan as well as the lower level bits it becomes even easier (a lot of the gconf keys for example are only used by that stuff and don't get used outside the wlan subsystems)02:48
jonwilBonus is that once this work is done, all you need is a new GPRS plugin and you could replace ICD completly with something new without much effort02:48
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DocScrutinizer05ack03:38
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jonwilgreat, the site I am upliading CSSU-devel bits to has just gone down :(06:24
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jonwilnow its back :)06:26
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sicelofmg is already doing some RE work around connui07:19
jonwilYeah I am aware07:59
jonwilbut that doesn't necessarily include the wlan bits08:00
jonwilok, that's done everything I can for cssu-devel updating08:28
jonwilSome packages wouldn't compile properly and a couple wouldn't upload (need to find out from the right people how to get them to compile or upload properly) but all the ones that worked are in cssu-devel now08:29
jonwilhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1537037#post153703708:30
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sicelojonwil: what's new in microb-engine10:17
jonwilhttps://github.com/community-ssu/microb-engine/commit/ac5fdce5bc231334ca616461377daa7b8e2cfa6310:18
jonwilThat's the relavent commit10:18
sicelothanks.10:18
jonwilIts a workaround for an issue with Google that Google knows about but hasn't fixed10:19
jonwilBut yeah I have put everything into cssu-devel that I can (a couple things that I want to put there but cant compile or cant properly upload)10:22
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rhombusDocScrutinizer05: I have an update. Sorry I wasn't around last night, I had a long workday11:39
rhombusThe battery is fine. I tested the phone with a standard USB charging device. It was fully charged in three hours :)11:40
rhombusBut there are some issues11:40
rhombusOne is that, when I disconnected the phone, I got the prompt asking me which USB mode I want to use, mass storage mode or pc-suite mode11:40
rhombusnote: this was *after* disconnecting11:41
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rhombusAfter this, the phone thought it was connected to USB in mass storage mode and there seemed to be no way to turn this off11:41
rhombusThis meant I had no access to stored files11:41
rhombusThe other issue I've noticed has to do with the FM radio function11:42
rhombusI installed the "C FM radio" app. I couldn't find the "FM radio" app, it must be in a repo I haven't added11:42
rhombuswhen I turn it on, it works -- but it also turns on Bluetooth11:43
rhombusIf I turn Bluetooth off, the radio stops working. The app runs, but I don't hear anything. Turning Bluetooth on again has no effect. Nor does restarting the app. The only solution is to reboot the phone.11:43
rhombusIs this normal behaviour? Are the Bluetooth and FM receivers linked somehow?11:44
rhombusSo -- in both cases, the only solution was to reboot the phone. Doesn't sound right to me.11:44
rhombusEnd of update :)11:44
bencohbluetooth/fm sit on the same chip11:45
rhombusbencoh: so they both have to be on for FM to work?11:45
bencohregarding usb you have to select "pc-suite" if you want to access user data with usb plugged in11:46
bencohbut the fact that it prompted you after disconnecting is strange11:46
rhombusbencoh: ok, that makes sense, but the primary issue is that I am only presented this prompt when I disconnect the phone from the charger11:46
rhombusbencoh: yes, strange :)11:46
bencohwell, unless ...11:46
rhombusbencoh: it's possible it was in the background when I plugged in the phone11:47
rhombusand then jumped to foreground when I disconnected11:47
rhombusI would have to experiment with it11:47
rhombusbencoh: well, unless?11:53
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rhombusWhat I also find strange is that it says "charging only" -- which implies that nothing is mounted. And yet I can't access storage. This was a dumb charger anyway, there's nothing (at least, that I know of! Hello NSA) in the charger that could mount the storage. I just want the juice...11:55
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KotCzarnyis that behaviour repeatable?12:09
KotCzarnymaybe the charger you use simulates (or has) computer inside?12:09
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KotCzarnyalso, your ac-2e seems fake, because it is barrel plug, not microusb12:09
KotCzarnyso someone either modified or refurbished it12:10
Vajbi have same issue sometimes. I think it matters of the angle in which u insert charger12:15
KotCzarnyuh, oh, sounds like a recipe for broken usb port12:16
Vajbsolution is to plug charger to phone and then to mains12:16
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Vajbalso if ur phone thinks it is connected to charger or usb host. U can use usb-host-mode to reset the state12:17
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Vajbbut in my case i've had that prompt only when inserting charger12:17
rhombusKotCzarny: Have you seen my AC-2E?12:22
KotCzarnynope, but every ac-2e in google has barrel plug12:22
rhombusKotCzarny: I don't quite understand how it follows from that that it is a fake :)12:23
rhombusKotCzarny: It is probably just old12:23
Vajbone of my n900 came with barrel to micro-usb adapter12:23
KotCzarnyfake as in 'somone had a charger and replaced the cable'12:23
rhombusRemember, the legislation to require USB charging was only introduced in 201112:23
rhombusKotCzarny: No.12:23
rhombusKotCzarny: The design is totally consistent with prior Nokia charger designs12:24
KotCzarnywould be interesting to see what is resistance between data pins on it12:24
rhombusYes, I need to start equipping my toolbox, starting with a good multimeter12:24
Vajbmaybe Nokia just had left over stock of those charger bodies and just used them with new cables?12:24
rhombusVajb: new cables? It's just a Nokia standard barrel plug. It goes into a Nokia branded adapter block, which has a micro USB connector on the end12:25
KotCzarnysure, but when n900 was released standard was there already, and i'm almost 100% none of n900 were shipped with anything weaker than 900-1000mA12:26
rhombusThere's nothing unusual about this, the manufacturers were legally required (in Europe) beginning in 2011 to provide standardized USB charging capability. You're not just going to throw out all of your old stock.12:26
rhombusKotCzarny: I have a complete original box with all the parts including the operating manual, warranty card, etc. When I get home tonight, I'll look and see if there is a packing list.12:27
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KotCzarnyand there is a chance that charger is noncomformant to it, hence, with updated bme-replacement in cssu it set max charging to 100mA12:27
rhombusKotCzarny: That is very possible. It was indeed strange that it coincidentally stopped working after the update.12:28
KotCzarnydid you try your wife's charger?12:29
rhombusI have to admit it struck me as peculiar that the charger was so small for such an obviously power hungry phone12:29
rhombusKotCzarny: Yes, she has a generic white USB charger that she uses for charging her iPhone and iPad12:29
KotCzarnyso at least you can use it as a fallback12:29
KotCzarny:)12:30
rhombusIt worked wonderfully, the phone was charged in three hours. Apart from the issue with the USB mode locking my storage, of course :)12:30
rhombusKotCzarny: Yes, I'm going to purchase a similar charger12:30
Vajbdidn't ianything have it's own istandard...12:30
sixwheeledbeastI have seen two N900 with the Nokia barrel to uUSB adaptor, I don't know of a Nokia barrel charger that outputs 1A.12:30
rhombusVajb: it's not an Apple charger12:30
Vajbah12:31
rhombusVajb: also, standards compliance for chargers is required by law12:31
sixwheeledbeastStandards only work if companies adhere to them.12:31
Vajbcharger with many plugs?12:31
rhombusVajb: charger with one USB port :)12:31
KotCzarnyswb: ac-4e (or ac-4u) for example12:31
KotCzarny890mA with barrel plug12:31
Vajbah of course12:31
rhombussixwheeledbeast: yes, the charger is small and lightweight. It did strike me as strange.12:31
KotCzarny(from my n800)12:32
rhombussixwheeledbeast: standards compliance mandated by law is different :)12:32
rhombusin any event, the charger works both for her iPhone and my N900 :)12:32
rhombus(afk)12:32
KotCzarnyi suspect that barrel-to-usb adapter might have something on data pins12:33
Vajbi can try and measure12:33
Vajbi have multimeter plus said adapter12:33
KotCzarnyyou might try to open it too if you arent attached to it12:34
Vajboh yes, wonderfull way to split my fingers too =)12:36
KotCzarnyfor science!12:37
KotCzarny;)12:37
Vajbi'll go by measure first12:37
Vajbi just need to search for schematics for the plug12:37
Vajbi vaguely recall that furthest were data + and -,but...12:38
KotCzarnyhttp://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/micro_usb_pinout.shtml12:38
KotCzarnyor just http://pinouts.ru/visual/micro_usb.jpg12:38
rhombusVajb: how do I reset usb mode from the console? In case I have this hangup business again. Or do I just use mount?13:05
rhombus(afk)13:05
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DocScrutinizer05USB host detected when UNplugging happens sometimes. It's a race. Just plug+znplug again13:53
DocScrutinizer05rhombus: you should have mentioned the barrel->usb adapter earlier :-P Yes they came with N900, and they are deprecated since they can't do the needed 900mA and _may_ catch fire X-P13:58
KotCzarnyoh, so he has barrel adapter?13:59
KotCzarnyo.O13:59
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KotCzarnywhere did he mention that?14:00
DocScrutinizer05but I can see how KotCzarny gave you no chance to mention the edapter, being too busy to suggest nonsense to you14:00
KotCzarnyit was vajb mentioning it14:01
siceloheh you two14:01
rhombusI mentioned yesterday that I have an AC-2E14:02
rhombuswhich I believe came only with a barrel connector14:03
DocScrutinizer05[2017-10-17 Tue 11:25:44] <rhombus> Vajb: new cables? It's just a Nokia standard barrel plug. It goes into a Nokia branded adapter block, which has a micro USB connector on the end14:05
KotCzarnymust have been flooded by output from other channels, oh well14:06
KotCzarnystill, one mystery less14:06
DocScrutinizer05for FM: you need wired headset plugged in to have an antenna14:06
DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: or flooded by own posts14:06
DocScrutinizer05and I can only hiess how miuch noise came from users that are on ignore here14:10
DocScrutinizer05guess*14:10
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: I had a wired headset plugged in :)14:10
DocScrutinizer05then please re-iterate the problem14:11
DocScrutinizer05I failed to get it14:11
KotCzarnyrhombus: http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmradio/14:11
KotCzarnyit's in extras14:11
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: I installed C FM radio. When I start the app, it turns Bluetooth on14:12
DocScrutinizer05normal14:12
rhombusI can hear radio14:12
DocScrutinizer05fine14:12
rhombusIf I turn Bluetooth off, then the radio goes silent14:12
DocScrutinizer05normal14:12
rhombusIf I turn Bluetooth back on... no effect. Radio is still silent.14:12
DocScrutinizer05normal14:12
rhombusClosing and reopening the app does not help14:13
rhombusthe only thing that makes radio audible again is rebooting the phone14:13
rhombusOk, so you are saying that the FM receiver only works if Bluetooth is on.14:13
DocScrutinizer05yeah, not exactly normal but somewhat expected14:13
DocScrutinizer05you're not supposed to shut down BT when FM14:13
rhombusThat's unfortunate. Bluetooth consumes power14:13
DocScrutinizer05they share one chip14:14
DocScrutinizer05no, not realy14:14
rhombusOk, well, if I know that, then I will leave it on next time14:14
rhombusBut it shouldn't require a reboot of the phone to restore normal operation :)14:14
DocScrutinizer05the audio routing is a tad fragile14:15
rhombusWas this always the case, or does it have to do with CSSU?14:15
DocScrutinizer05when you reboot with wired headset, or plug in wired headset while BT headset enabled, you may see weird results14:15
DocScrutinizer05same for shutting down BT while wired headset plugged in14:16
DocScrutinizer05it's a sw flaw14:16
DocScrutinizer05always was like that14:16
rhombusAh. (Just fyi, I was not using a BT headset :) )14:18
rhombus(afk)14:18
DocScrutinizer05but usually that's no problem. The real flaw is that it shows "BT enabled" when you only start radio, since what it does is power up the chip but not exactly enable BT afaik14:19
sicelobt is enabled in the real sense :-)14:21
DocScrutinizer05possible14:21
DocScrutinizer05I never *really* inverstigated14:22
siceloit is14:22
sicelopycage evidently also got inside info (from nokia)14:22
KotCzarnynot good in the light of recent bt exploits14:22
siceloyou turn off the radio is you want to be safe :-)14:23
DocScrutinizer05what's pycage?14:23
DocScrutinizer05and how is it related?14:24
siceloMartin Grimme, iirc14:24
DocScrutinizer05hm?14:24
siceloi believe he was the first to develop fm radio application for N90014:25
sicelotl;dr .. the radio & bt are on same chip. hence the need for bt to be on when fm radio on14:27
DocScrutinizer05that's what I said, yes14:27
DocScrutinizer05rhombus: you seem to have a very early device given you got that adapter. You should find out about your hw version (2010, 2101...) in case you need it14:31
DocScrutinizer05rhombus: flasher can tell you, and did tell you14:35
DocScrutinizer05though I bet there are other ways to find out about hw rev14:35
DocScrutinizer05anyway Neo900 has FM RX on FM TX chip14:41
DocScrutinizer05which seems more natural as well14:43
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: makes sense14:45
rhombusI didn't save flasher's output, unfortunately14:46
rhombusI have to stay focused, so I'm going to sign off for now, but perhaps I will be on in the evening. Thanks for the help thus far.14:47
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DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/9828850514:48
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timelesshey DocScrutinizer0517:30
* timeless has an unfortunate problem17:31
timelessi made the mistake of using a non low numbered uid for a system service17:31
timelessit turns out that systemd gives special protection to lower numbered uids17:31
KotCzarnyremove systemd, problem solved17:31
timelessyeah, thanks17:31
timelessso, i'd like to transition from the non lower numbered uid to a low numbered uid17:32
timelessbut i don't want the system to have much downtime if i can avoid it17:32
timelessassuming that task has a distinct uid+gid pair that's only used for itself, and that all files are 066x17:32
timelesscan i cheat by changing the uid to the new low number, leaving the service as a member of the old high number gid, and then chown all files to the low numbered gid?17:33
timeless(restarting before the chown)17:33
KotCzarnyon a normal system it could work, but who knows what systemd would do..17:34
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timelessand then similarly change the service to default to the corresponding low numbered gid (but still being a member of the high numbered group), restart, and then chgrp ... ?17:34
timelessdoes that seem like the "simplest" approach?17:34
timelessperhaps not "simplest" but a way that's easy to understand and should limit downtime for my system17:35
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Palihello, has somebody checked if n900 is affected by current security problem found in wpa implementation handling?21:09
PaliMaemo on N900 does not use wpa_supplicant, but instead use two daemons, wlancond and eapd, first implements wpa part and is open source, second implements eap part and is closed21:10
KotCzarnyword is, if they kept to specs, it's vulnerable21:10
Palifix is backward compatible with spec21:11
Palijust to refuse reusing same nonce21:11
Palihere is source of wlancond: https://github.com/community-ssu/osso-wlan21:11
Palibasically wifi on Maemo is handled differently as in whole Linux world, Nokia wrote own software for it...21:13
KotCzarnyas did cisco. and they are vulnerable21:14
KotCzarnysame with *bsd folks21:14
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: we discussed it yesterday. It wasn't clear where WPA gets handled, yesterday conculsion was it must be in eapd or osso-wlan-security21:35
Palieapd = osso-wlan-security21:37
Paliwlancond = osso-wlan21:37
DocScrutinizer05see what jonwil said21:40
DocScrutinizer05maybe replace that stuff by wpa-supplicant et al then?21:40
DocScrutinizer05my personal take on it: should be easy enough to just replace osso-wlan-security by wpa-supplicant21:42
DocScrutinizer05probably now (after 7(?) years?) wpa-supplicant is better and more versatile than osso-wlan-security, unlike back when Nokia made osso-wlan-security21:43
DocScrutinizer05I seem to recall wpa-supplicant was just a pile of segfaulting Sh* back when21:44
DocScrutinizer05which is most likely _one_ of the reasons why Nokia cooked their own21:45
DocScrutinizer05also WOW @ https://github.com/community-ssu/osso-wlan - I thought that was a blob too21:47
DocScrutinizer05HMMMM   https://github.com/community-ssu/osso-wlan/blob/master/wpa.c21:48
DocScrutinizer05gosh!!! I *HATE* how github (in konqueror) eats one i5 core for 6s to render any scrolling21:50
DocScrutinizer05JS crap21:50
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DocScrutinizer05you know I also hate stuff like    value = key_mgmt != 0 || (encryption & WLANCOND_ENCRYPT_METHOD_MASK) == WLANCOND_WEP;21:57
DocScrutinizer05immediately fllowed by the other extreme:  http://paste.opensuse.org/6825342622:01
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, no real crypto stuff in https://github.com/community-ssu/osso-wlan/blob/master/wpa.c22:09
DocScrutinizer05neither protocol stuff22:11
DocScrutinizer05aiui22:11
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Palicrypto is done in kernel/hardware22:36
Paliyou should just provide aes or wep keys to kernel22:36
Palijust protocol is in userspace22:37
sicelogood to have you on board Pali :)22:45
siceloi have been trying to see if the tools for testing are released yet .. doesn't seem to be the case. or i missed something?22:45
sicelohttps://www.krackattacks.com/#tools22:47
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Paliso easiest would be to wait until check tool is released23:12
Paliand then decide if some steps are needed or not23:12
Palior locale which part is responsible for wpa23:12
PaliI would bet it is this file: https://github.com/community-ssu/osso-wlan/blob/master/dbus-handler.c23:12
Palithere is a function named clear_wpa_keys()23:13
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rhombusGreetings23:37
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: Question-Machine is back23:38
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DocScrutinizer05ohhai23:42
DocScrutinizer05just in time :-) a 5 minutes back I wasn't on kbd23:42
DocScrutinizer05((<Pali> just protocol is in userspace(( where exactly?23:43
DocScrutinizer05s/((/))/23:43
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: ))<Pali> just protocol is in userspace(( where exactly?23:43
DocScrutinizer05or somesuch23:43
DocScrutinizer05~+uptime23:44
infobot- Uptime for purl -23:44
infobotNow: 32d 23h 34m 3s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux23:44
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DocScrutinizer05WOW23:44
rhombusDocScrutinizer05: what is that?23:45
DocScrutinizer05nevermind, unrelated23:46
DocScrutinizer05~botsnack23:46
infobot:), DocScrutinizer0523:46
rhombus~botsnack23:46
infobotaw, gee, rhombus23:46
DocScrutinizer05~poettering23:46
infobot'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html, or see ~systemd cabal23:46
rhombusProbably something Swedish.23:47
rhombusSo... trying to decide where to start here23:47
DocScrutinizer05~infobot23:47
infobotinfobot is, like, A program on the IRC that helps users, ask it to do something by putting a ~ and then say a command!23:47
rhombus~fish23:47
infobotfish is, like, FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or http://www.p-nand-q.com/maldives/rbr/fish/sf25.jpg23:47
rhombuswow, good guess.23:48
rhombusSo... is there any hope that there will be a patch for the WPA2 vulnerability on maemo?23:48
DocScrutinizer05:-D23:49
DocScrutinizer05<DocScrutinizer05> ((<Pali> just protocol is in userspace)) where exactly?23:49
DocScrutinizer05http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2017-10-17T02:44:4923:50
Paliwlancond and eapd are only wlan related daemons23:50
DocScrutinizer05Pali: lemme rephrase - where in kernel is WPA encryption?23:51
Palieapd seems do TLS+PEAP related crypto23:51
Palinet/wireless/lib80211_crypt_*.c23:52
Palilib80211_crypt_ccmp.c, lib80211_crypt_tkip.c, lib80211_crypt_wep.c23:52
Paliso seems in kernel is aes + wep23:52
freemangordonisn;t that done in HW?23:52
Paliand IIRC hw itself support aes23:52
Paliat least I remember parameters of some wifi drivers to enable HW accel of aes23:53
DocScrutinizer05Pali: sounded wierd, but indeed https://github.com/community-ssu/osso-wlan/blob/master/dbus-handler.c#L206723:54
DocScrutinizer05((and IIRC hw itself support aes)) that's exactly what I seem to recall too23:55
DocScrutinizer05didn't find a hint though, last 2 days23:55
DocScrutinizer05anyway what we need is protocol23:55
Paliyes, need to figure out where is implemented that 4 way handshake23:56
DocScrutinizer05https://github.com/community-ssu/osso-wlan/blob/master/dbus-handler.c#L2067 for (i=0;i<4;i++) {23:57
DocScrutinizer05looks sort if interesting23:57
DocScrutinizer05though there are 4 keys in WEP23:58
DocScrutinizer05iirc23:58
DocScrutinizer05tbh I got 0 clue about WPA23:58
DocScrutinizer05I just know "nunce" from SIP challenge/response23:58
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