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| infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 00:04 |
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| dos1 | hurray! I've just replaced the digitizer and few parts of the body in N900 and it still works! \o/ | 01:48 |
| dos1 | given my manual abilities that's a big success :D | 01:48 |
| Hurrian | dos1: celebrate - you didn't strip the screws! :D | 01:49 |
| mashina | i haven't needed to replace mine yet | 01:50 |
| dos1 | most of them are long MIA, so that wasn't hard ;) | 01:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm I'm certain one of my screws was crossthreaded somehow, it was in solid. | 01:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~fixribbon | 01:53 |
| infobot | well, fixribbon is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1324171#post1324171 | 01:53 |
| dos1 | well, I didn't really have to | 01:55 |
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| dos1 | I just wanted to take a look at it and practice a bit before assembling case neo900 from parts in future | 01:56 |
| dos1 | no manual is able to give full insight as much as seeing it in practice :) | 01:57 |
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| dos1 | (well, there was one annoying scratch... and it's gone now ;)) | 02:09 |
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| b1101 | I just found out about the neo900 today. It damn near brought a tear to my eye. | 02:57 |
| deepy | wow | 02:59 |
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| b1101 | deepy did you wow because of what I said ? | 03:08 |
| deepy | yeah | 03:11 |
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| mashina | maybe they wowed because of DOGE - wow, so maemo, such linux wow, shibephone, much nokia, n900, wow | 04:12 |
| wmarone_ | lol | 04:13 |
| mashina | [apt-get update intensifies] | 04:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hah | 10:46 |
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| zamn900 | hello. DocScrutinizer05 hey I want the cli for alarmed for optimizen900 and opening amd closing the email app is it possible mate? | 11:08 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | alarmed is a gui for alarmd | 11:12 |
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| zamn900 | sixwheeledbeast, i don't understand what does that mean... shall i use another app? | 11:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | what exactly do you want to do? | 11:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~xy | 11:18 |
| infobot | methinks xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. | 11:18 |
| zamn900 | I said I want command line for optimizen900 and email client so I can program timer with opening and closing email client which name idk... as well as optimizen900 | 11:20 |
| zamn900 | I mean by command line | 11:20 |
| zamn900 | so I add custom run cl on alarmed | 11:20 |
| zamn900 | I was aiming and tabbing doc he usually follows my stressasking | 11:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | use the alarmed applications GUI to program your alarmd commands, e-mail client is modest. Doc must be engaged so you'll have to wait around | 11:26 |
| brolin_empey | zamn900: The GUI Mail User Agent (MUA) shipped with Maemo 5 is named modest. | 11:26 |
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| sono | so uplift | 11:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~optimizen900 | 11:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~pkg | 11:29 |
| infobot | methinks pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 11:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | oh great a random killall package that depends on rootsh | 11:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | OMG | 11:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | omg?... | 11:41 |
| sono | i got up 30 minutes ago, feeling depressed and not had coffee yet. why the shouting? | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~omg | 11:42 |
| infobot | hmm... omg is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God | 11:42 |
| sono | omg | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's fubar by breaking versioning as well, see http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/optimizen900// | 11:43 |
| * sixwheeledbeast is aware of the meaning omg :) | 11:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (SIC!) | 11:43 |
| sono | infobot: WTF is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the ASN specs. "WTF! IT'S MASSIVE!". What The Fuck | 11:43 |
| infobot | usage: wtf <foo>. | 11:43 |
| sono | meh | 11:43 |
| * sono goes to make coffee | 11:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see http://maemo.org/packages/view/optimizen900/ | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | optimizen900Fremantle Extras-devel free armelPackage importedSystem2011-12-02 14:43 UTC | 11:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | one package, 153 fsckups | 11:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I see no point in the thing anyway, it was a myth from 2011 maemo era | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what else except **OH**MY**GOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!** could you say when looking at stuff like http://privatepaste.com/21ddf3a141 | 11:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if 153 is really a estimation high enough to meet the number of wrong ideas and fsckups and misconceptions and utter rogue things done, in that package | 11:49 | |
| ShadowJK | bruteforce heap defragmentation | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, a rather polite euphemism for that abomination | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in my book it's in one class with | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~crappatch | 11:51 |
| infobot | [speedpatch] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] | 11:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: agreed but it's in devel so as long as it stays there "all is fine" and people won't use it or cause chaos... mmm | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, dang | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how about creating a "BS-cleaner" app that simply uninstalls all known BS apps (where BS is exactly what you guess it means) | 11:56 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58935 look at thanks on the OP dafuq | 12:00 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=761377&postcount=79 I'd argue that this script will eat more battery than a reboot, BME shows wack values after reboot. | 12:05 |
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| grammoboy | afaik my n900 can connect to the TV | 12:06 |
| grammoboy | now I want to display content of my laptop on the TV | 12:06 |
| grammoboy | what's the best approach? | 12:07 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | what inputs are on your TV and what outputs doesn't your laptop have? | 12:08 |
| grammoboy | my tv has a scart | 12:11 |
| grammoboy | i've such a converter so my n900 should be able to connect to it | 12:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | infobot: optimizen900 is a killall script that hopes watchdog will restart all processes it nukes. It does not solve the fact you have installed leaky widgets, causing a slow device after ~3 days. Also see ~crappatch | 12:17 |
| infobot | sixwheeledbeast: okay | 12:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | grammoboy: only scart on your tv? | 12:18 |
| grammoboy | sixwheeledbeast, i think so, yes | 12:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | and he you had N900 working via that? | 12:19 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | s/he/have/ | 12:19 |
| infobot | sixwheeledbeast meant: and have you had N900 working via that? | 12:19 |
| sono | i tried tvout at the hackspace yesterday night, because i found a display there in the attic | 12:19 |
| sono | quality was not usable, i hope it was the display? | 12:20 |
| sono | i mean, i *did* find it in the attic. | 12:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | My tv-out is fine quality wise. | 12:21 |
| grammoboy | sixwheeledbeast, yep got my n900 working on that | 12:21 |
| grammoboy | do I use ssh -X or vnc or ..? | 12:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well ideally the best option is to wire the laptop into a compatible tv input which you don't have, so therefore maybe vnc | 12:24 |
| grammoboy | whats the difference between ssh -x and vnc? | 12:25 |
| grammoboy | I want to control the laptop from the laptop keybd | 12:25 |
| sono | seriously? | 12:25 |
| sono | one is ssh using X11 forwarding, the other is VNC. | 12:25 |
| sono | VNC may be the better choice fo ryou | 12:26 |
| grammoboy | why? | 12:26 |
| sono | because it requires less understanding, and is generally speaking a little bit faster | 12:26 |
| sono | for full desktop forwarding of modern UIs, anyway. | 12:27 |
| sono | which i assume you will do. | 12:27 |
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| grammoboy | I want to use the content of one VJ app | 12:27 |
| sono | graphically intensive app, this? | 12:28 |
| grammoboy | I think so | 12:28 |
| sono | good luck | 12:28 |
| grammoboy | thanks you | 12:29 |
| sono | by the way, what is it that you actually want to do? | 12:29 |
| sono | 11:25 < grammoboy> I want to control the laptop from the laptop keybd | 12:29 |
| sono | thjis makes no sense | 12:30 |
| grammoboy | it makes sense if there's no other way to display the content on the tv | 12:30 |
| grammoboy | I don't know if it makes sense, exploring the possibilities | 12:30 |
| sono | in order to control the laptop from the laptop keyboard, i assume you would sit down at said laptop, and use the keyboard. | 12:31 |
| sono | so, now you talk about a TV | 12:31 |
| sono | so, it makes no sense | 12:31 |
| grammoboy | you conclude too fast | 12:31 |
| sono | no, you are not giving the required info | 12:31 |
| grammoboy | it's for an art project | 12:32 |
| sono | ok | 12:32 |
| grammoboy | display video content on old small tvs | 12:32 |
| sono | so you have an n900 with tvout? | 12:32 |
| grammoboy | just an crazy idea | 12:32 |
| sono | and you want to control that from a laptop? | 12:32 |
| sono | as opposed to controlling a laptop from the laptop? | 12:32 |
| sono | or what | 12:32 |
| sono | can you describe the setup in remotely technical terms | 12:32 |
| grammoboy | it's not about control, its about getting the video content on the TV | 12:32 |
| grammoboy | laptop -> tv Not possible | 12:33 |
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| grammoboy | n900 -> tv possible | 12:33 |
| grammoboy | laptop -> n900 - > TV | 12:33 |
| sono | what inputs does the TV have? | 12:33 |
| grammoboy | scart | 12:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | sono: I understand hence my recommendation above. | 12:33 |
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| sono | sexyea he wants to do VJing over a VNC player on an n900 which is insane, right | 12:34 |
| sono | damn you freud | 12:34 |
| sono | frammanyway, TV with compatible input, or adapter to convert VGA (which can be gotten from DVI, if your laptop is any good) to scart. but AFAIK there are no passive adapters for this. | 12:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well it's not ideal but | 12:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | grammoboy you say "tv's" this maybe more of an issue. | 12:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | VGA > composite will look crap | 12:36 |
| sono | splitting s-video should be a simple circuit | 12:36 |
| sono | hmm, ok | 12:36 |
| grammoboy | I've 2 n900s here, so that makes 2 tvs :) | 12:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | grammoboy: If you are using multiple "TV's" I would wire them all to a aerial distribution amp and use a aerial modulator to send composite signal via RF. Attach N900 tv out to modulator and you'll even get sound out of the TV's | 12:39 |
| sono | i'm not saying "don't do it", because its nifty from the hack factor alone | 12:39 |
| sono | what you need is VNC player on the n900s | 12:39 |
| sono | then run a vnc server on the laptop | 12:39 |
| sono | this should be easy to set up | 12:40 |
| sono | vnc is user-friednly | 12:40 |
| sono | much moreso than X11 forwarding, anyway | 12:40 |
| grammoboy | I'll look into it | 12:40 |
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| grammoboy | I did some X11 forwarding too in the past | 12:40 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | tightVNC on laptop with presence VNC on N900 | 12:41 |
| sono | ^ this guy seems to know what he is talking about, tightVNC is good, i haven't used VNC in ages tho | 12:41 |
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| grammoboy | hm wondering whether black/white tv have scart as well :) | 12:41 |
| sono | i would do a proper test run, and expect stuttering | 12:41 |
| sono | worth a try tho | 12:42 |
| * sixwheeledbeast works with home electronics and security systems so hopefully should know what he is doing... ) | 12:42 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | grammoboy: if you do it the way I say you only need a aerial input not even a scart. | 12:43 |
| grammoboy | sixwheeledbeast, aerial input, hmm | 12:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | so any TV will work, see backscroll :) | 12:44 |
| grammoboy | sixwheeledbeast, I don't need sound though | 12:45 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | doesn't matter, only wire in the video on the modulator | 12:45 |
| sono | hm, if you can get your hands ona modulator | 12:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I thought audio would add that bit extra to the artwork ;) | 12:45 |
| grammoboy | the band adds that | 12:46 |
| sono | if he is VJing there will be no audio from the TV | 12:46 |
| sono | otherwise, nifty | 12:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | OMP in background? | 12:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ;) | 12:46 |
| grammoboy | maybe exporting the videos with effects to videofiles and play them on the n900 might be more simple | 12:47 |
| grammoboy | but then you need easy switching between clips | 12:47 |
| sono | well that's hardly VJing then, is it | 12:47 |
| grammoboy | true, but no problem | 12:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | that's even better export the video to a N900 friendly format | 12:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | loose the PC | 12:48 |
| grammoboy | which format and which player then? | 12:48 |
| grammoboy | mplayer? | 12:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | grammoboy: I use this for security application, will work for this to. http://www.pecancctv.com/downloads/RF-MOD-Data_2011.pdf | 12:49 |
| grammoboy | sixwheeledbeast, doesnt look cheap | 12:50 |
| grammoboy | :) | 12:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | can be used as example maybe there are cheaper ones. It's the brand we use due to our supplier | 12:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | grammoboy: if you'd like an expensive option use a IP video > composite video decoder ;) | 12:57 |
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| bennypr0fane | hello, does anyone code Java on N900? I'm starting to learn programming with Java and I have the idea that I could do some of my coding exercises on the N900. I installed Icedtea6, but I have no idea how to use the command line for coding actually. Can anybody give me a hint how to get started /what other tools I need? | 13:10 |
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| sono | are you looking for something like java --help or are your looking for something like vim | 13:12 |
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| sono | i suspect you might not actually know what you are looking for | 13:12 |
| sono | perhaps start with python | 13:12 |
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| bennypr0fane | sono actually, I'm looking for a Java IDE for the N900, but I figure we don't have that | 13:13 |
| bennypr0fane | ? | 13:13 |
| sono | oh mz. | 13:13 |
| sono | my* | 13:13 |
| sono | learnpythonthehardway.org <= i suggest you do this at least until you feel confident about programming in general, only then turn back to java. | 13:14 |
| bennypr0fane | it seems as though we'Re restricted to command line for coding on the N900, no? | 13:14 |
| bennypr0fane | I'd have liked to start with Python but my school goes with Java, so I have no choice | 13:15 |
| sono | there is always a choice | 13:15 |
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| sono | read the help for the java executeable and the jar executeable | 13:15 |
| bennypr0fane | Python would be better to do on the N900 I guess | 13:15 |
| sono | learn java the hard way | 13:15 |
| sono | learn how to compile java classes | 13:15 |
| sono | what editor you use is irrelevant | 13:15 |
| sono | learn how to work with ant or maven or whatever you youngsters consider hip nowadays | 13:16 |
| bennypr0fane | :-D | 13:16 |
| grammoboy | sixwheeledbeast, but you think a 900 is a good device to connect to old tvs, or would you choose an other one? | 13:16 |
| sono | really, benny | 13:16 |
| bennypr0fane | wish that I were a youngster | 13:16 |
| sono | you will learn nothing of value from coding from example textbooks against java APIs that the IDE will present to you on a tablet | 13:16 |
| sono | worse, you will be doing negative learning | 13:17 |
| grammoboy | sixwheeledbeast, laptop is hard to an old tv probably | 13:17 |
| grammoboy | rPi outputs SVID and HDMI. | 13:17 |
| bennypr0fane | I'm more of a late starter | 13:17 |
| sono | irrelevant =) | 13:18 |
| sono | even moreso you should learn the hard way | 13:18 |
| bennypr0fane | well to compile java classes on N900, I need just icedtea, yes? | 13:19 |
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| * sono briefly wonders if there is a "learn java the hard way" thing with comparable quality to zed shaw's work | 13:19 | |
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| sono | yes | 13:19 |
| sono | javac name.java | 13:19 |
| sono | presumably | 13:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bennypr0fane: python will be better to learn and execute on N900 also opens up PyQt GUI's | 13:19 |
| bennypr0fane | which are the tools that you guys use for coding on N900? | 13:20 |
| sono | i don't code on the n900 | 13:20 |
| sono | the n900 is a smart network appliance for me | 13:20 |
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| BCMM | bennypr0fane: ssh, and a computer with a real keyboard :) | 13:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | grammoboy: You said you have N900 and laptop with only old TV's so that is what I worked from | 13:21 |
| sono | if i write code using the n900, it will be on a remote ^ | 13:21 |
| sono | i mean, seriously | 13:21 |
| sono | why would you even consider such a thing. even if you don't own a PC | 13:21 |
| BCMM | (more importantly, a bigger CPU to do the compiling one...) | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: (talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58935 etc) yep, insane. And lots of noobs applauding to a lot of handwaving | 13:22 |
| bennypr0fane | alright, so none of you codes on the N900. Got it | 13:22 |
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| sono | it is an insane notion, if you ask me | 13:22 |
| sono | but w/e | 13:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Doc :nod: see ~optimizen900 :) | 13:22 |
| bennypr0fane | sono because seriously, sitting in a public place with a laptop actually on yr lap seems more insane to me , it gives me cramps in the neck | 13:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Some people code on N900 but it's got more room for text errors IMO. mainly use Vi or Vim. I like gedit on debian/buntu myself the colors help weed out the typos. | 13:25 |
| bennypr0fane | I've read lots of people on TMO syaing the do some minor coding work on N900 | 13:26 |
| sono | nobody is stopping you from ssh'ing out from your n900 to a host where you have a good, customized vim and enough CPU to actually compile things. | 13:26 |
| sono | but as soon as you get home, either hook the n900 into your "dock" or use the other machines | 13:26 |
| sono | everything else is just masochism | 13:26 |
| bennypr0fane | when I'm home that's obviously what I do | 13:27 |
| bennypr0fane | not a masochist | 13:27 |
| sono | so ssh out. | 13:27 |
| sono | i am verboten from mentioning how i do that | 13:27 |
| bennypr0fane | I'm talking about mobile use, y'know | 13:27 |
| bennypr0fane | the kinbd of thing you use mobile devices for | 13:27 |
| sono | but doc will gladly supply you with an autossh-like hack consisting of a shell script loop | 13:27 |
| bennypr0fane | geez | 13:27 |
| sono | =) | 13:27 |
| grammoboy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36GvPxbAiv8 | 13:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | grammoboy: a honest suggestion: forget about using N900 for a PC->TV adapter, it won't fly | 13:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | you vim and ssh/rsync your work back to desktop using stuff from ~jrtools | 13:28 |
| bennypr0fane | what you might do when you're out and about with some spare time on your hands, sitting around ... | 13:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/you/use/ | 13:29 |
| infobot | sixwheeledbeast meant: use vim and ssh/rsync your work back to desktop using stuff from ~jrtools | 13:29 |
| sono | ~jrtools | 13:29 |
| infobot | rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 13:29 |
| grammoboy | DocScrutinizer05, and n900 -> TV? | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that works OOTB | 13:29 |
| bennypr0fane | sixwheeledbeast, thanks | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui you already did it, with your CVBS->SCART adapter | 13:29 |
| grammoboy | hm then I need to see if can can smartly loop and switch clips via mplayer | 13:30 |
| sono | bennypr0fane: instead of using rsync learn git. | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grammoboy: get an adapter from whatever video-out you may have on laptop, to RGB or CVBS. they are dirt cheap, like 20 bucks | 13:31 |
| grammoboy | DocScrutinizer05, that works the same as n900 to tv, quality wise? | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nowadays every modern TV set has HDMI input as well, and many come with VGA input even, which is perfect to hook up a PC/laptip to it | 13:32 |
| zamn900 | hey I am back | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, quality is at least at par | 13:32 |
| sono | he mentioned something about an art project and black and white TVs, doc | 13:32 |
| sono | i think this is intentionally low-fi | 13:32 |
| bennypr0fane | sono I guess compiling stuff before uploading to git is better so rsync to me home devices for testing seems a good idea | 13:32 |
| zamn900 | so modest is for email cool | 13:32 |
| zamn900 | i did not find any else about optimizen900 | 13:33 |
| grammoboy | DocScrutinizer05, yep I want to use old TVs | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then use CVBS | 13:33 |
| zamn900 | did I miss something? | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.geekbuying.com/item/VGA-to-CVBS---S-Video-PC-to-TV-Video-Converter-Box-Adapter-AV-Gadgets-Equipment-CN147997--305395.html | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first hit on google | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for `vga to cvbs adapter` | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm too lazy to do `hdmi to cvbs adapter` for you | 13:35 |
| grammoboy | ok,thx :) | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or whatever you laptop may support for video out | 13:35 |
| grammoboy | vga I guess | 13:36 |
| zamn900 | is normal having 188 tasks on this tiny n900 | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, 158 is normal | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | top - 12:38:17 up 26 days, 16:16, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.00 | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Tasks: 153 total, 1 running, 152 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie | 13:38 |
| sono | as long as they all sleep nicely.. scheduler is ok with that | 13:38 |
| BCMM | zamn900: it's basically normal for unix in general | 13:38 |
| BCMM | having a very large number of processes, i mean | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | top (true top, from procps ;-D ) or htop (easier) is your friend | 13:39 |
| zamn900 | yes and If I give a hit with optimizen900 I get 160 tasks about | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please!!!! | 13:39 |
| sono | didnt we establish that this thing is snake oil already? | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | optimizen900 will declared a ban'able subject in 30 minutes | 13:39 |
| sono | =D | 13:40 |
| zamn900 | ? | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zamn900: FORGET DAT SHITE! | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's ruining your day | 13:40 |
| zamn900 | alright | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (and mine, when you talk about it) | 13:40 |
| zamn900 | so what?? | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uninstall it, never use it | 13:41 |
| zamn900 | lol | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tell others to avoid it | 13:41 |
| zamn900 | ok but whatelse to use instead | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, for what? | 13:41 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer05: is that the script that just kills a bunch of stuff, which eventually respawns anyway? | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 13:41 |
| zamn900 | oh I see... | 13:41 |
| zamn900 | you right | 13:41 |
| sono | wow, that is prove of an incredible lack of understanding | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 13:42 |
| sono | proof* | 13:42 |
| zamn900 | times it's imperfect | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just like crappatches | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~optimizen900 | 13:42 |
| infobot | from memory, optimizen900 is a killall script that hopes watchdog will restart all processes it nukes. It does not solve the fact you have installed leaky widgets, causing a slow device after ~3 days. Also see ~crappatch | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~crappatch | 13:43 |
| infobot | somebody said speedpatch was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] | 13:43 |
| zamn900 | but what if not this what else app can do faster tasks | 13:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 has a certain speed which is usually just fine unless you mess with crappatch, optimizen900, batterypatch and other shite | 13:44 |
| zamn900 | why they still are in repos? | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are a few ways to *really* improve speed of N900, the most sane and effective of them being freemangordon's awesome cssu-thunb | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zamn900: because we have no justification to remove crap from extras-devel | 13:45 |
| zamn900 | lolz | 13:45 |
| BCMM | zamn900: basically anybody can put stuff in extras-devel | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as soon as such stuff tries to enter extras, it will get nuked with a loud BOOOM | 13:46 |
| zamn900 | thumb or thunb? | 13:46 |
| BCMM | (source: i have done so, and i know nothing) | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thumb | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | typo | 13:46 |
| zamn900 | ok | 13:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | zamn900: that's why extras-devel come with a BIG FAT RED WARNING not to use it when you don't know exactly what you're doing | 13:47 |
| zamn900 | alright | 13:48 |
| zamn900 | that should be a highlighetd or wtf message cristlline and clear | 13:49 |
| bindi | uh uh | 13:49 |
| bindi | i get segfaults when i search with nano o_O | 13:49 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 13:50 |
| bindi | glibc detected | 13:50 |
| ShadowJK | iirc there's a nano in sdk tools, and one in extras | 13:50 |
| bindi | nano: double free or corruption (out): 0x00042220 | 13:50 |
| bindi | <.< | 13:50 |
| ShadowJK | I forget what's wrong with extras one | 13:50 |
| ShadowJK | "nano-2.0.7 - Fixed release of nano 2.0.7-4, includes patch to resolve search crash. Optified." | 13:51 |
| zammy | and search with "huge"! *face troll* XP | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: it IS fat and highlighted | 13:52 |
| zammy | ah ok | 13:52 |
| zammy | oh shite... DocScrutinizer05 now I have just minimized xchat on n900... how to recover it | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your problem ;-P | 13:53 |
| zammy | that's not funny | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reboot? | 13:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~extras-devel | 13:54 |
| infobot | well, extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel | 13:54 |
| zammy | killall xchat | 13:54 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | zamn900: you left before I asked my question :( | 13:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | IMO when the rogue leaky extras widget(s) are found and removed from extras less people will look for ~optimizen900 and ~crappatch and ~kps | 13:58 |
| zammy | ok | 14:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: is the leaking confirmed? | 14:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Not saying KPS is crap BTW. People think my system is slow lets give it more "power" to hide the underlying issue I have NFC about. | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought a very common cause was swap fragmentation | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KPS? | 14:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1373958&postcount=89 see very long bug report in post | 14:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | KPS = overclocking with kernel power settings | 14:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | swap frag is also an issue but generally h-h and h-d leaks in top are an issue with some widgetz | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, widgets are dangerous, particularly since they run in H-H context, as subroutines | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, see FMG's investigation on memleaks in stock applets/widgets/whatever like lockscreen and whatnot else | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fixed in CSSU afaik | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never ran into it since I never use lockscreen | 14:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it's not easy to diagnose the issue either as it maybe a combination of extras widgets and not one in isolation | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hardly | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | widgets should have zero cross effects | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one widget does hardly get to know about any other widget active, afaik | 14:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | All I know is in my case "stop mce" fixed the h-h CPU spikes | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which might be rotation-related | 14:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I suspect something that controls LED like camera-lens0reminder for example | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OMG | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, even fcam known to thoroughly messup fubar the indicator LED | 14:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | but some people like Woody report no issues with that app. | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if cam-lens-reminder is stupid enough to try messing with indicator LED directly, you are doomed to eventually encounter unpleasant effects | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a race and hard to reproduce reliably | 14:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Hence my combination of apps cause the leak theory. | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fcam is notorious to occasionally mess up lp5523 that terribly hard that you have to remove battery to recover | 14:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously mce isn't prepared to encounter other apps occupying the lp5523 sysnodes | 14:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~pkg | 14:16 |
| infobot | i heard pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 14:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since configuring lp5523 is a multi-step process that msut not get interrupted | 14:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Mr Hess is maintainer | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of fcam? | 14:17 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | cover-reminder | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grep for sysnodes *5523* | 14:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | grep 5523 | 14:19 |
| rajkonni | hello all | 14:19 |
| rajkonni | N900 got problem with touch screen. behaves mad. it is a software bug | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you already know it's a sw bug, then what's the question? | 14:20 |
| rajkonni | touch screen responds randomly.. whats the solution to this? | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solution: fix the bug | 14:20 |
| rajkonni | after few hours its all ok by itself, tried rebooting. | 14:20 |
| rajkonni | how can i get a error log for this? | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look, I don't see this error, and I got a lot of sw installed | 14:21 |
| rajkonni | let others reply.... someone please help. | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~question | 14:21 |
| infobot | hmm... question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 14:21 |
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| rajkonni | OMG... let me be clear. running on cssu stable. N900 was working all fine, till last week. now the phone does not respond at times. i mean if i click menu, it just keep on changing screens, nothing is possible. cannot attend calls. i have to press multiple times to select answer. | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 14:25 |
| rajkonni | i really dont know how to create a question for this. | 14:25 |
| rajkonni | truly... | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now that sounds a tiny bit more like a report we could help with | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you say the device randomy ignores clicks? | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka it "freezes"? | 14:26 |
| rajkonni | the phone is just MAD, at times... after few hours all is okay. how? it must be software na...LOL. .and the most funny thing is this is my only phone, and at the crucial times when i need to make a call it goes mad. | 14:26 |
| rajkonni | it is not FREEZE | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, the description of symptoms is still too fuzzy then | 14:27 |
| rajkonni | it is taking clicks.... i have only 2 widgets in my desktop.. 1 notes .. 2 phone... if i tap phone, no response... if i tap menu, it just chnages and changes screens. | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest full reflash | 14:28 |
| bindi | DocScrutinizer05: woops, soldered the wrong pins yesterday | 14:28 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: cover-reminder basically looks at "/sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_shutter/state" and calls MCE_ACTIVATE_LED_PATTERN if device is locked | 14:29 |
| rajkonni | most of the time the desktop shows , as if i clicked option to change desktop or edit it. | 14:29 |
| bindi | anyway i fixed that now, opened recorder app, pressed the button, but it doesnt do the action i specified in hsetctrl.py | 14:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: sounds sane | 14:29 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bindi: I suggested to use OMP | 14:29 |
| rajkonni | reflash? i really dont want to begin from 1st. please.. i taught myself these things after much trial... | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure about recorder *really* activating the needed profile, and also somebody explained to me (pali?) that it works on CSSU only | 14:30 |
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| bindi | how can i check if i have cssu? i can't remember if i installed it or not :P | 14:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | cssu testing IMO | 14:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rajkonni: tbh all sounds pretty much like a hardware issue | 14:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~fixribbon | 14:31 |
| infobot | rumour has it, fixribbon is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1324171#post1324171 | 14:31 |
| rajkonni | but it becomes all okay after sometime...how? | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rajkonni: to rule that out, a reflash and running a bare system without additional apps installed is the only way | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bindi: check settings, there's "about CSSU" | 14:31 |
| rajkonni | i understand what you say. \ | 14:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bindi: Settings > About Community SSU? | 14:32 |
| rajkonni | version 21.2011.38-1S maemo 6.1 flavour stable ... i tried so much to get this from phone now.... | 14:33 |
| bindi | it would seem that i do have it | 14:33 |
| bindi | just not the latest | 14:33 |
| rajkonni | have to click with pin point accuracy and keep pressing to make phone understand that i want that option. | 14:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bindi: which version? | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rajkonni: the digitizer is a delicate component, filled with oil that is supposed to separate two conductive foils. When any of the paramaters of this component changes (oil ages by oxidation, mechanical impct, whatever), you see all sorts of self-fixing and random effects | 14:33 |
| bindi | sixwheeledbeast: nfi :p | 14:34 |
| bindi | there's been an update availalble for quite a while | 14:34 |
| bindi | gonna install it later, gaming break | 14:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | maybe there is contact at one area and pressing another area of digitizer is causing "MADness" | 14:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bindi: click on about Community SSU post version no | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: yes, that's basically what hapens when oil is old or missing or cold or foils deformed or whatever | 14:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | but could that be a intermittent issue? | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus I suggest full reflash, to rule out hw issues | 14:37 |
| bindi | sixwheeledbeast: it's attached to my door, cba running between my desk and that :P is there a terminal command i can use to check? | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sure | 14:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I bindi: momplz I know I have it somewhere | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bindi: apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr|head -n 3 | 14:39 |
| bindi | Installed: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1.2 | 14:39 |
| bindi | Candidate: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.2 | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1.2????? | 14:39 |
| bindi | :D | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HELL! | 14:39 |
| bindi | i haven't touched it since 2011 december i think | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least it's post-testing/stable introduction ;-P | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rajkonni: bottom line: there's no sw bug known to cause the issues you have. There's however a plausible hw defect that can cause exactly what you see. Suggestion: make full backup using BM, then reflash to stock | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 14:42 |
| infobot | rumour has it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 14:42 |
| infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then check if same problem appears again, during next three days of usage | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then come back here, when it turns out the flashing fixed it 100%, since then it's most likely a strange sw issue we haven't seen before | 14:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if it's a hw defect, you also can come here to ask for advice on how to fix it | 14:46 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | mmm, I was going to say dpkg-query but apt-cache works | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: ooh, you're right, that took a while till I got it what you said. Sure, in theory it also can be a defect in flex | 14:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) | 14:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~listkeys version | 14:48 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'version' by key (11 of 53): "the actual version ;; (version 0.1.9) ;; asterisk-versions ;; asteriskversioning ;; c000 version ;; dpkg version-space bug ;; hd size conversion ;; httpd version checker ;; i did this because debian version parsing ;; i'm just gonna say their version ;; inplace conversion. | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though more unlikely, since it would mean some of the traces got partially shorted | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget i'm just gonna say their version | 14:48 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot i'm just gonna say their version | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget i did this because debian version parsing | 14:49 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot i did this because debian version parsing | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: note maemo specific factoids: ~#maemo <factoidkey> IS <factoid> | 14:50 |
| rajkonni | so i must reflash ? do you all know how hard i learnt to reflash and use N900. using this phone is so tpugh. | 14:51 |
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| rajkonni | @DocScrutinizer05 | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flashing is mere fun | 14:51 |
| rajkonni | fun? LOL... its so headache for me... | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I suggested you do a proper full backup using BM, so you can roll back after test | 14:51 |
| rajkonni | BM? | 14:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | oh ok | 14:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | rajkonni: backupmenu | 14:53 |
| rajkonni | thanks. | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-10-26 13:42:47] <DocScrutinizer05> ~bm | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-10-26 13:42:48] <infobot> rumour has it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 14:53 |
| rajkonni | so much to read, learn and do.... | 14:58 |
| rajkonni | im already dead thinking of reflash. | 14:59 |
| rajkonni | i have to download flash images and flasher for windows 7 too | 14:59 |
| zammy | anyway DocScrutinizer05 I don't find cssu-thumb | 15:01 |
| zammy | is the cssu feature ...? | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, I see why it's pain for you to reflash. Flashing actually *is* a pain - under windows | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu-thumb | 15:01 |
| zammy | yes... under windows yes... | 15:01 |
| infobot | from memory, cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys thumb | 15:02 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'thumb' by key (11): cssu-thumb ;; #maemo thumb ;; cthumb ;; thumb has smaller instructions, but ;; thumbkey ;; thumb ;; stupid rule of thumb ;; gthumb ;; thumb keyboard ;; pull my thumb ;; thumbie. | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~thumb | 15:02 |
| infobot | i guess cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget thumb has smaller instructions, but | 15:02 |
| zammy | same post | 15:02 |
| infobot | i forgot thumb has smaller instructions, but, DocScrutinizer05 | 15:02 |
| zammy | indeed | 15:03 |
| zammy | bored to read | 15:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | oh motogp bbl | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: find wiki page by freemangordon about cssu-thumb, it explains how to install and handle this | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's an alternative "distro" (it's absolutely NOT an own distro), similar to cssu-testing and cssu-stable | 15:06 |
| rajkonni | where can i get the flasher for windows 7 and 2 flash files? damn...i forgot everything. guess, it is better to sell this N 900 and get a windows or android. | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly it is | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 15:07 |
| infobot | [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 15:07 |
| zammy | very huge wiki but I think is this right? http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-10-25 18:20:16] <DocScrutinizer05> however learn about the implications and complications when it comes to mainenance of your system when thumb installed | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-10-25 18:20:56] <DocScrutinizer05> you don't want to have to boot with a stock kernel, ever | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's still not exactly noob stuff | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you should be prepared to discard your current system, reflash, and start from scratch | 15:10 |
| zammy | in case I mess up with this not-noob stuff? | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 15:11 |
| zammy | but... I won't | 15:11 |
| zammy | I will heroically read all | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or somebody else is messing up, so the thumbified system is corrupted | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not completely unlikely a thing to happen, this is still experimental | 15:11 |
| zammy | I will... because for now I want to rest and get strength enough for my heroic battle | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your system will crash epically with standard kernels | 15:13 |
| zammy | it's enough that's considered epic | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even when that standard kernel comes from uBoot or whatever | 15:13 |
| zammy | whatever will be the result | 15:13 |
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| zammy | oh now I remember the other question is about uboot | 15:13 |
| zammy | I installed it... I like it... | 15:14 |
| zammy | but... | 15:14 |
| zammy | how to configure it? | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a funny topic | 15:14 |
| hahlo | with harmattan I was installing firefox to it, and accidentally swipe screen close in the middle of installing, system went to unbootable condition, wonder why | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the orthodox way is to directly edit that config file which iirc is called bootmenu | 15:15 |
| zammy | bootmenu I uninstalled as uboot works better | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but pali added some nifty script sth like update-bootmenu.sh that gets executed during installation of uBoot by apt and which looks into some directories /etc/bootmenu.d/* or whatever, and creates the original uBoot config from what it finds there | 15:16 |
| rajkonni | how can i backup my messages. conversaions? | 15:17 |
| zammy | /home/user/.telepathy/logs? | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | by standard backup app in maemo | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc it's called "backup" | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: eh? | 15:18 |
| rajkonni | yes/. | 15:18 |
| rajkonni | thanks | 15:18 |
| zammy | ... sorry... | 15:18 |
| zammy | difficult stuff uh.. | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~uboot | 15:19 |
| infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files | 15:19 |
| zammy | the script... | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: I don't have the full details at top of my head for uBoot. ask Pali | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or kerio | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or try googling for it | 15:21 |
| zammy | I will | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or use | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg | 15:21 |
| infobot | pkg is probably http://maemo.org/packages/ | 15:21 |
| zammy | just heroically | 15:21 |
| zammy | thanks | 15:21 |
| zammy | what's the default code for settings → "protection device" | 15:22 |
| Pali | zammy: read thread about uboot: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 15:22 |
| zammy | the protection code | 15:22 |
| infobot | the doctor is *out* | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: literal uboot | 15:23 |
| infobot | "#maemo uboot" is "<reply>N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files" | 15:23 |
| zammy | indeed heroically | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: #maemo uboot is also http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 15:23 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 15:23 |
| zammy | I would just know the directory of its config file to edit | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: check u-boot-update-bootmenu | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is the script that creates the real config file from the bootmenu entries | 15:25 |
| Pali | look to first post of that thread | 15:25 |
| Pali | there is info how to write config file(s) | 15:25 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: can you add thread link to infobot? | 15:26 |
| zammy | what's the default protection code in settings→device protection? | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~uboot | 15:26 |
| infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 15:26 |
| Pali | ok :-) | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: 12345 | 15:27 |
| zammy | damn .... 5 was missing | 15:27 |
| zammy | thx | 15:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err bootmenu.scr is *binary*?? :-o | 15:29 |
| zammy | Pali, is that under How to create bootmenu entry for U-Boot: ? | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't it just uboot's very own cryptic script language? | 15:30 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: yes, it must be binary | 15:30 |
| Pali | you need to "compile" that uboot script to binary file which can be loaded in uboot | 15:30 |
| Pali | zammy: yes | 15:30 |
| zammy | to me "compile"? | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought uBoot does "source $configroot/bootmenu.scr" by default | 15:31 |
| Pali | uboot can load only files with are in uImage format | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 15:31 |
| Pali | and you need to convert uboot script to uImage format | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's not the uBoot I know from 5 years ago | 15:31 |
| Pali | uImage is simple format: it has header with all needed data and then source of file | 15:31 |
| Pali | so only binary part if that header | 15:32 |
| Pali | next are row data | 15:32 |
| Pali | zammy: no | 15:32 |
| zammy | °_° | 15:32 |
| Pali | zammy: look how to create bootmenu entry | 15:32 |
| Pali | and then run u-boot-update-bootmenu program on maemo | 15:33 |
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| zammy | I find difficult to follow because I did not meet any zImage-my image | 15:33 |
| Pali | zammy: first question is: what you want to boot? | 15:34 |
| Pali | uboot can boot (linux) kernel image | 15:34 |
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| * infobot turn around the sign, so it shows "the doctor is *out*" | 15:34 | |
| Pali | kernel image must be in zImage format (or uImage) | 15:35 |
| zammy | ... I want just to have open-cam door and other dbus signals to have hack and custom code-gesture unblock and block for boot my n900 | 15:35 |
| jon_y | wait it can load zImage? | 15:35 |
| Pali | uboot yes | 15:35 |
| Pali | uboot are started *before* kernel ans it is bootloader | 15:35 |
| jon_y | I thought it must be combined to form uImage? | 15:35 |
| Pali | so it booting kernel(s) | 15:35 |
| zammy | get? | 15:35 |
| jon_y | that tiny file piggybacking on zImage | 15:36 |
| Pali | rigth, uboot can boot only kernels in uImage format, but u-boot-update-bootmenu converting zImage to uImage... | 15:36 |
| jon_y | iirc it contains kernel args | 15:36 |
| Pali | so you can specify zImage to config file (script will convert it automatically) | 15:36 |
| jon_y | ok, so technically it is still uImage only | 15:36 |
| Pali | yes | 15:36 |
| jon_y | ok | 15:36 |
| Pali | but if you really want, it is possible to boot also zImage | 15:37 |
| Pali | you just need to load file (in uboot) to RAM manually | 15:37 |
| zammy | actually I don't blame at all your guide... I wanna very exceptional things | 15:37 |
| Pali | and manually do jump | 15:37 |
| jon_y | sounds hairy | 15:37 |
| Pali | yes, reason why script autoconvert zImage to uImage :-) | 15:37 |
| jon_y | iirc uboot needs to also init the ram controller | 15:37 |
| jon_y | and run entirely in cpu cache before that | 15:38 |
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| Pali | yes, it doing | 15:38 |
| Pali | (and NOLO too) | 15:38 |
| jon_y | though I might have been confusing it wirh something else | 15:38 |
| jon_y | eeww so painful | 15:38 |
| Pali | NOLO doing everything... | 15:38 |
| jon_y | does this happen on typical android phones too? | 15:38 |
| Pali | but code is also in uboot... | 15:38 |
| Pali | no idea, I do not have any android device | 15:39 |
| jon_y | ok | 15:39 |
| zammy | Pali, doc said that is possible to customize the boot to our normal image of n900 for getting exclusive gesture-code as password or hack-password | 15:39 |
| jon_y | gesture-code? | 15:39 |
| jon_y | isn't that after the phone boots? | 15:39 |
| zammy | such as cam door open slide open press q botton or other | 15:39 |
| Pali | zammy: so my question is still there: *what* you want to boot? | 15:40 |
| zammy | the normal image | 15:40 |
| sono | what doc suggested is that someone sit down and code such a thing | 15:40 |
| Pali | what is "normal image"? | 15:40 |
| Pali | stock kernel? | 15:40 |
| sono | also, read the u-boot docs. it even has integrated hel | 15:40 |
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| sono | help* | 15:40 |
| sono | it can load and boot almost anything | 15:40 |
| zammy | yes the default kernel | 15:40 |
| Pali | default kernel is attached into uboot | 15:41 |
| zammy | exactly | 15:41 |
| Pali | and there is entry for it automatically | 15:41 |
| zammy | exactly | 15:41 |
| Pali | no need to configure | 15:41 |
| zammy | that's the part that make sense to talk with you and not read the guide | 15:41 |
| zammy | there is no need just wanting to have custom hack-code entry inside automatically boot | 15:42 |
| Pali | now I do not understand what you want... | 15:42 |
| zammy | fine | 15:43 |
| Pali | uboot is bootloader with booting kernel | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: the idea been to change "slide open" condition to something more complex | 15:43 |
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| zammy | oh thanks | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like "slide open" & "camdoor open" & "vol+ pressed" | 15:43 |
| zammy | XD | 15:43 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: that is possible too, but you need to edit sources... | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know | 15:43 |
| zammy | that's I am asking | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why i told zammy I can't explain to him how to do that | 15:44 |
| zammy | so no need actually the guide for other needs | 15:44 |
| Pali | volume keys are just normal keys on keyboard (already mapped to some ANSI chars) | 15:44 |
| Pali | camdoor is gpio too | 15:44 |
| Pali | and gpios working fine in uboot | 15:44 |
| Pali | (also from console) | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know it's "simple" | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but needs sourceode patching | 15:45 |
| Pali | everything is already implemented, so just need to change code which deciding if to autoboot or not | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 15:45 |
| zammy | yes | 15:45 |
| zammy | just that | 15:45 |
| Pali | it is in include/configs/nokia_rx51.h | 15:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 waves and wanders off again | 15:45 | |
| Pali | find #define CONFIG_PREBOOT | 15:46 |
| zammy | hmmm.... c++? | 15:46 |
| Pali | "if run slide; then true; else " | 15:46 |
| Pali | no c++, but c and uboot scripts | 15:46 |
| zammy | alright | 15:46 |
| Pali | and slide is "slide=gpio input " __stringify(GPIO_SLIDE) "\0" | 15:46 |
| Pali | in #define CONFIG_EXTRA_ENV_SETTINGS | 15:47 |
| Pali | thats all what you need | 15:47 |
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| Pali | uboot script language is stripped hush interpreter (so unix shell like) | 15:47 |
| zammy | where do I find that files? | 15:48 |
| Pali | in uboot source code :-) | 15:48 |
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| Pali | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/source/u/u-boot/ | 15:49 |
| Pali | http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=tree | 15:49 |
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| zammy | Pali, I still don't find the config file | 15:56 |
| Pali | how not? nokia_rx51.h is in source tarball | 15:56 |
| rajkonni | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe | 15:57 |
| rajkonni | <DocScrutinizer05> | 15:57 |
| zammy | yes that's yours | 15:57 |
| zammy | ~flash | 15:57 |
| infobot | hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 15:57 |
| rajkonni | i mean flasher is unavailable there | 15:58 |
| zammy | rajkonni, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Windows | 15:58 |
| zammy | oh really? | 15:58 |
| rajkonni | problem loading page. contact owners | 15:58 |
| zammy | I can download it | 15:59 |
| zammy | shall I upload it for you? | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~skeiron | 15:59 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143, or see: ~tabletsdev | 15:59 |
| rajkonni | Corrupted Content Error The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because an error in the data transmission was detected. The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because an error in the data transmission was detected. Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem. | 15:59 |
| rajkonni | what to do boss? | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a hickup in your prowser | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tabletsdev | 16:00 |
| infobot | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ or http://tabletsdev.maemo.org | 16:00 |
| zammy | actually into my wine that binary.exe is denying the access | 16:00 |
| zammy | wining me | 16:00 |
| rajkonni | need flasher first na? | 16:01 |
| zammy | yes | 16:02 |
| rajkonni | well give link to flasher | 16:03 |
| rajkonni | windows 7 64 bit | 16:03 |
| zammy | rajkonni, I suppose it's the same | 16:05 |
| rajkonni | link plz | 16:05 |
| zammy | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the direct link won't work, since it has a IMEI check in front of it | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this one should work: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you get errors, use another browser | 16:08 |
| zammy | Pali, I don't really find it even with find / -name nokia_rx* | 16:08 |
| Pali | do you downloaded correct tarball? | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chrome and recent FF have funny "security" to stop user from doing sth silly | 16:09 |
| Pali | or correct git repo? | 16:09 |
| zammy | Pali, I just installed uboot from extra devel repos on my app manager | 16:09 |
| zammy | yes... it's the latest version for sure | 16:09 |
| Pali | and so what do you think, where is source code???? | 16:09 |
| Pali | [15:09:07] <Pali> do you downloaded correct tarball? | 16:10 |
| Pali | [15:09:16] <Pali> or correct git repo? | 16:10 |
| Pali | [14:49:12] <Pali> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/source/u/u-boot/ | 16:10 |
| Pali | [14:49:19] <Pali> http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=tree | 16:10 |
| zammy | /boot | 16:10 |
| zammy | ? | 16:10 |
| Pali | then you should forget about it | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is about *real* programming | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki sourcecode | 16:11 |
| zammy | oh I am sorry offending your programming abilities | 16:11 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sourcecode (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{For|the 2011 film|Source Code}} {{distinguish|source coding}} source code with prologue comments indicated in red, inline comments indicated in green, and program statements indicated in blue]] In computer science, 'source code' is any collection of computer instructions (possibly with comments) written using some human-readable computer language, usually as text. The source code ... | 16:11 |
| rajkonni | salute doc...without imei verfication i got it.....how? | 16:11 |
| Pali | rajkonni: skeiron | 16:12 |
| rajkonni | oh | 16:12 |
| Pali | [15:06:33] <DocScrutinizer05> http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ | 16:13 |
| Pali | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ | 16:13 |
| Pali | just read! | 16:14 |
| rajkonni | downloading flash files ..vanilla and combined | 16:14 |
| sono | this is worse than first level support and i don't know why you are doing it | 16:14 |
| sono | but hey... don't let me distract you | 16:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rrrrright | 16:14 |
| Pali | ~read | 16:15 |
| * infobot reads Lord of the rings | 16:15 | |
| zammy | lol | 16:15 |
| zammy | however I give up I don't deserve any hack complex code | 16:15 |
| zammy | fuck it | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: you're not offending my skills, I question yours | 16:15 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: add read factodid... ask is not enough | 16:15 |
| zammy | yes sir | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and my hint about "*real* programming2 meant to give you a clue that the sourcecode might be on your PC but never on your target platform | 16:17 |
| zammy | I am thinking at rewriting all | 16:17 |
| zammy | instead of reading all | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | listen buddy, I suggested a possible hack to a program, that doesn't mean me or anybody else is obliged to make it happen for you | 16:18 |
| sono | but.. building on the target is supposed to be hip these days | 16:18 |
| zammy | anyway thank you DocScrutinizer05 | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I told you from very beginning that the knowledge to do this can't get transferred via IRC | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly not the 2nd half of my suggestion, which been 2patch NOLO to not allow flashing mode anymore" | 16:21 |
| zammy | very interesting stuff should be written in some guide anyway that's my thinking | 16:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 heads out | 16:22 | |
| zammy | XD | 16:23 |
| Pali | how to compile uboot it is already in README file | 16:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | rajkonni: I doubt Windows 7 64bit will work for the flasher http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Issues_with_64-bit_Windows_and_Workarounds | 16:27 |
| Pali | I doubt that *any* windows is suitable for using flasher | 16:28 |
| Pali | use linux version | 16:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | XP SP3 works fine | 16:28 |
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| Pali | windows has very slow usb listing/enumeration and it could cause more problems... | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if installed at full moon | 16:29 |
| Pali | and also I do not trust that windows filter/tree model of kernel drivers is working correctly for userspace libusb and flasher code... | 16:29 |
| Pali | from windows userspace you do *not* have full control on usb device | 16:30 |
| zammy | I suggest to use easypeasy as distro to run in virtualbox so it's faster... in my idiot way to solve at the incompatibility problem | 16:30 |
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| Pali | (and probably from windows kernel too - but I do not remember how usb in windows working) | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | live DVD | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usb in virtualbox is always PITA | 16:31 |
| Pali | same problem as with flasher | 16:31 |
| Pali | read ^^^^ | 16:31 |
| zammy | on windows virtualbox addon works well | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NOT for USB | 16:32 |
| zammy | so is fair usable that solution IMO | 16:32 |
| zammy | yes DocScrutinizer05 last versions can | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* | 16:32 |
| Pali | there can be some other filter or buggy kernel driver or buggy userapace application | 16:32 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders why still around | 16:33 | |
| zammy | XD | 16:33 |
| zammy | sorry | 16:33 |
| zammy | I am getting fun | 16:33 |
| Pali | which can access or filter usb communication of some device | 16:33 |
| * sono shoves doc to something useful | 16:34 | |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: did you saw that big mess of filters/drivers how working in windows kernel? :-) | 16:35 |
| Pali | this is reason why windows installing drivers for usb device if you connect it to different usb port as previous | 16:36 |
| Pali | or maybe look how usb sniffers working on windows :-) | 16:36 |
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| rajkonni | i will continue tomorrow morning.. its sunday...now tired...downloaded everything...thanks.... | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: nope, I don't know sh+t about windows, since I avoid it whenever possible. And since I dunno about it, I rarely ever have to deal with it in my jobs either | 17:44 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | you are lucky | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I sometimes have to use windows workstations to do development or maintenance, but they are administrated by company sysadmin then | 18:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and though I dispise that type of workstation, I don't have to deal with its internals anyway | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course it's some cruel punishment when you have to manage your email in outlook | 18:31 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | thunderbird ;) | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I said "have to" | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what do you do when even FF is forbidden? | 18:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | never had to put up with that sort of system since school, and TBH i was a "user" then :) | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | in big business security is harsh | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and threats are tough | 18:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: I have worked at places like that generally I poke sysadmin to solve issues and don't get hands dirty like you say. | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's pretty normal when you can't even boot the PC unless you got connection to the company's security audit server | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and there's no way you could just _configure_ thunderbird to fetch your email from the company mailserver | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's this microsoft stuff that doesn't work with anything else | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | forgot the name | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exchange? | 18:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | switch on "dumb user mode" and try not to get frustrated :) However, even in dumb user mode you get annoyed with people that can't use a spreadsheet correctly, for example. | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I get annoyed with spreadsheets that can't run macros, thanks to some policy on the machine | 18:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | lol mmm | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or not being able to download datasheets for X-Ray stations since that's blacklisted as "medical topic" | 18:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | that's some locked down user policies | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | great, when your task is to create a IT-link to such xray device | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you can't install the logitech setpoint mousedriver, and the IT dude says "I won't do that! figure if every employee came with such requests" | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're eventually tempted to go FSCKU and use your own laptop... but - you guessed it - that's of course also not allowed | 18:51 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Also windows is required when products you use require ActiveX controls .... grrrr the pain of my life. | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | products requiring activeX are not worth getting used | 18:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | and when said controls are unsigned and you have to "play about" with settings. In my industry they are behind the times and think everyone uses windows and has a if-fone. | 19:00 |
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| anYc | Hi, any qmlreddit user here that also has the problem that some images do not show up in the app? | 19:07 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | anYc: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66497 | 19:45 |
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| qwerty123 | Hi.. Is it possible to lock a program in background so that it can only be killed after being unlocked??! | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 20:23 |
| qwerty123 | Want to lock ukbdcreator. I end up killin it dverytime while switching apps!! | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't understand how you're killing that app | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also ukbdcreator sounds suspicious to me, is it a maemo program? | 20:26 |
| qwerty123 | I meant 'accidently closing it' .. From dashboard, sometimes i myself hit the cross buton! So i want to kindof 'lock it'.. | 20:27 |
| qwerty123 | Yep it is! Ukeyboard! | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, indeed it is available for diablo and fremantle | 20:28 |
| qwerty123 | Yes !! | 20:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, no. Unix/linux doesn't work that way. When a sigmals is sent to the app, it's up to the app to quit (unless the signal is one of those that can't get caught and always rerminate the process) | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | signal* | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | It more seems to me your problem is hildon's taskswitcher design | 20:30 |
| qwerty123 | So isnt there any way to simply hide the gui of the app?? | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~xy | 20:31 |
| infobot | xy is, like, The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. | 20:31 |
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| r00t|home | use the source, luke | 20:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | use keyboard shortcuts on task switcher instead of poking screen? | 20:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I am not certain what it does but it sounds like a service that should run in the background anyway. | 20:47 |
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| sono | hrm | 21:48 |
| sono | was anyone at alt.party perchance | 21:48 |
| sono | apparently there was a sailfish demo | 21:49 |
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| Pali | can somebody look if package "ucf" is needed on maemo by some core application? | 22:50 |
| Pali | if you have installed it? | 22:50 |
| Pali | and package mime-support | 22:50 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05 ^^^ | 22:50 |
| Pali | sixwheeledbeast ^^^ | 22:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | eh? | 22:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~pkg | 22:52 |
| infobot | i heard pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 22:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have neither installed on my CSSU-S device | 22:53 |
| Pali | sixwheeledbeast: just check if you have installed that two packages | 22:56 |
| Pali | mime-support and ucf | 22:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | (20:53:55) sixwheeledbeast: I have neither installed on my CSSU-S device | 22:57 |
| Pali | ok | 22:57 |
| sono | rdepends looks harmless | 22:57 |
| sono | do you want a paste in query | 22:58 |
| sono | not installed here, too, obviously | 22:58 |
| Pali | both are needed on modern debian/ubuntu desktop | 22:58 |
| Pali | so reason why I'm asking :-) | 22:58 |
| Pali | but right, maemo does not have debconf | 22:59 |
| Pali | and ucf using debconf... | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/etc/init.d# apt-cache policy ucf | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ucf: | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Installed: (none) | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Candidate: 1.17-1osso | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/etc/init.d# apt-cache policy mime-support | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mime-support: | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Installed: (none) | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Candidate: 3.39-1 | 23:01 |
| Pali | ok, so definitly not needed | 23:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly | 23:16 |
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| SAiF | goodnight | 23:53 |
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