| sid_blub | i had no problems with this tutorial: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware | 00:00 |
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| WizardNumberNext | me neither. I have messed up mine 1st n900 2 or 3 times | 00:02 |
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| WizardNumberNext | and flashed it right awayatleasttwice | 00:02 |
| WizardNumberNext | deamned space is wearing out | 00:03 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I am getting error at root flashing: "Flashing cmt-mcusw... Sending request 0x50 failed!" | 00:20 |
| WizardNumberNext | nothing written yet | 00:21 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | WizardNumberNext: I have recently had trouble with flashing one section of device, it doesn't sound like the same but worth a read >> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90799 | 00:25 |
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| kerio | WizardNumberNext: i reckon that your cmt is fucked | 00:30 |
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| WizardNumberNext | what is cmt? | 00:37 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio, is it flash? | 00:37 |
| kerio | no, it's the phone | 00:37 |
| kerio | like, the phone chip | 00:37 |
| WizardNumberNext | you mean modem? | 00:37 |
| kerio | well, i suppose that it does indeed do modulation and demodulation | 00:38 |
| WizardNumberNext | well, we both know what we mean. Whatever, yes it is fucked. No way to bring it back, no foam is working any more and I never had such sytupid idea to put any metal in there | 00:39 |
| kerio | to flash it properly, you have to skip flashing cmt | 00:39 |
| kerio | with the --flash-only option | 00:40 |
| kerio | just flash everything else | 00:40 |
| WizardNumberNext | I think reballing is only way to make it working, but finding specialist who can do it in London is like trying to find one needle in milions hay stacks | 00:40 |
| WizardNumberNext | if it would work I would try it tomorrow | 00:40 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I cannot risk it today - going to sleep to soon and tomorrow - obviously work | 00:40 |
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| WizardNumberNext | but I would definitely use your advice - it sound like it is completely sound | 00:42 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio, can I risk flashing root only? | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 00:43 |
| kerio | meh | 00:43 |
| kerio | sure | 00:43 |
| kerio | but why? | 00:43 |
| WizardNumberNext | obviously I have bit of modifications, but MyDocs is annoying part of whole development | 00:43 |
| WizardNumberNext | I have ext4 there | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | irrelevant | 00:44 |
| WizardNumberNext | not to mention dat which would be going there and back | 00:44 |
| kerio | then i strongly doubt that flashing root will work | 00:44 |
| WizardNumberNext | I never have changed any script for MyDocs, only for sd | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | --root-only will work just fine, not entangled with MyDocs at all | 00:45 |
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| kerio | oh, MyDocs is actually ext4? | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except of cource your modifications to mount MyDocs | 00:45 |
| WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer05, it is only annoying to have to format bastard again and put data back, otherwise, no objections | 00:45 |
| kerio | then i think that you'll only get some error messages related to it | 00:45 |
| kerio | but it'll work | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 00:46 |
| infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 00:46 |
| WizardNumberNext | oh modifications aren't any problem - I have backups and can simply dump appropariate files | 00:46 |
| WizardNumberNext | oh modifications aren't any problem - I have backups and can simply dump appropariate files | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | has a nice introduction to what gets flashed when | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MyDocs is eMMC aka Vanilla | 00:47 |
| WizardNumberNext | doc, so I can flash emmc without touch mydocs? | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 00:47 |
| WizardNumberNext | shame | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MyDocs IS eMMC | 00:47 |
| WizardNumberNext | ok, I would go throught some pain and I would be reborn | 00:48 |
| WizardNumberNext | wait is home/opt included in vanilia, then? | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas it is | 00:48 |
| WizardNumberNext | screw emmc then | 00:48 |
| kerio | /opt is cleaned and repopulated on first boot thou | 00:49 |
| kerio | gh | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 00:49 |
| WizardNumberNext | I actually don't care anymore, as I would get it back to what it was before flash, but clean and fully working | 00:49 |
| kerio | because nokia sucks at unix | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but /home fs gets created during vanilla flash | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 00:50 |
| WizardNumberNext | lovely, it is so nice to get knowledge. And it is even nicer if somebody is shareing | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the vanilla concept been done prematurely | 00:50 |
| WizardNumberNext | home is untoughed by me, apart some files | 00:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vanilla aka eMMS flash is really poorly designed and based on hw, not on logical volumes | 00:51 |
| WizardNumberNext | actually all development with gnu/linux - mostly done poorly and with completely wrong approach, but it is still linux, if somebody is willing to fix issues it might as nice it can get | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually you should have /home included to rootfs flashing, and vanilla should flash MyDocs only - alas they messed it up from beginning and there was no clear opporunity to fix that ever | 00:52 |
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| WizardNumberNext | yeah it doesn't make sense to do it by hw, it should be done by volumes. Actually I can understand reasons behind it, but I do not like them | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 00:53 |
| WizardNumberNext | one of those is - it was desinged not by unix/linux people, 2nd is rather obvious | 00:54 |
| WizardNumberNext | one of those is - it was desinged not by unix/linux people, 2nd is rather obvious | 00:54 |
| WizardNumberNext | sorry - I write from laptop - to close cursors to enter | 00:54 |
| WizardNumberNext | another great device with some poor desing | 00:55 |
| WizardNumberNext | toshiba | 00:55 |
| Lava_Croft | Or you just cant type, jesus christ | 00:55 |
| WizardNumberNext | taking screen of to get to fan is ridicolous | 00:55 |
| Lava_Croft | Good night | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so much for negative moods spread inb this channel | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I love lessons from those who know zilch better than me | 00:59 |
| Lava_Croft | There is zero reason to even adjust my behaviour after your raging lately | 01:03 |
| Lava_Croft | I also wonder how I can see what you say, lol | 01:04 |
| Lava_Croft | fail me! | 01:04 |
| WizardNumberNext | oh, that just reality of toshiba - there's always something unexpected in the way. | 01:04 |
| Lava_Croft | That's the reality of everything :| | 01:04 |
| WizardNumberNext | Lava_Croft, should read backolg or something? | 01:04 |
| Lava_Croft | WizardNumberNext: Nope! | 01:05 |
| WizardNumberNext | don't be so pesimistic - it is my domain | 01:05 |
| WizardNumberNext | is it so bad? | 01:05 |
| Lava_Croft | Good luck with the horribly designed N900 and horribly designed Toshiba! | 01:05 |
| WizardNumberNext | n900 is desinged better then mine toshiba | 01:08 |
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| WizardNumberNext | anyway, I have an idea to buy n9 to put its processor into n900 - did anybody tried it yet? | 01:09 |
| WizardNumberNext | more ram seams as good idea as well, but I need to know how to use it - it is arm in the end | 01:09 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 waves and grins | 01:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: better ignore that guy, he's a troll in practicing | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I often wonder whether he learned from or even _is_ e*_ | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but no, e*_ usually had a _topic_ to troll about | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for your delight I'll just concatenate all his valuable contributions of last few hours: >>Or you just cant type, jesus christ. Good night. There is zero reason to even adjust my behaviour after your raging lately. I also wonder how I can see what you say, lol. fail me! That's the reality of everything :| WizardNumberNext: Nope! Good luck with the horribly designed N900 and horribly designed Toshiba! <-- Lava_Croft has left this channel. | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops, probably that rather should've been: "" <-- Lava_Croft has left this channel. | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: I'm not sure the N9 SoC is pin compatible to the OMAP3430 in N900 | 01:32 |
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| WizardNumberNext | that's why I am asking. It might be case that it is not pin compatible | 01:36 |
| WizardNumberNext | it is 3630 | 01:36 |
| WizardNumberNext | by defition it should, but practise may show otherwise | 01:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I have to experience/reports from practice | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I think reflow will be hard to accomplish | 01:39 |
| WizardNumberNext | there's easy way to find out - ti know the answer - I should ask their datasheets | 01:39 |
| WizardNumberNext | I am not going for ordinary reflow - only reball | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas odds are they won't state "pin compatible and signal compatible to 3430" | 01:40 |
| WizardNumberNext | but it would be still hard to acomplish | 01:40 |
| WizardNumberNext | odds are on both sides, only real check would verify either side of the table | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you maybe *could* try to find a socket | 01:41 |
| Hurrian | WizardNumberNext: FYI, the only chip marketed as pin-compatible to the 3430 is the 3530 | 01:41 |
| WizardNumberNext | coin was tossed, now it is time to catch it | 01:41 |
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| Hurrian | I'm pretty sure 3630 has different ball pitch | 01:41 |
| Hurrian | had to choose a sample chip when I saw them up on TI's website | 01:41 |
| WizardNumberNext | Hurrian, I won't oversurprised | 01:42 |
| Hurrian | ah, yeah, and the only 3530 chip available that's faster than the one on the N900 is a 720MHz part | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if there are sockets that are small overhead | 01:42 |
| WizardNumberNext | do you have any knowledge about technological process? nm? | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DL3730? | 01:43 |
| WizardNumberNext | I doubt it, but do not exclude | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or what been the name? | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GTA04.org - check it out | 01:43 |
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| WizardNumberNext | afaik 3730 isn't hw compatible - it is extended compared to 3430 | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/FeatureList/ >>Processor: DM3730 (OMAP3), 800 MHz, ARMv7 (Cortex A8), NEON, integrated DSP (TMS320C64x)<< | 01:45 |
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| Hurrian | WizardNumberNext: 3430 is only drop-in compatible with 3530, which some people say is just a rebrand, and 36xx is incompatible with DM3730 platform | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never checked but they told me it's compatible | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh wait, it's a 36xx relacement, right | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nm, I need a break | 01:47 |
| Hurrian | although a benefit of replacing the N900's 3430 part with a sample 3530 part is that Nokia X-Lo doesn't need to be signed anymore | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except when you take it from a N9 ;-D | 01:47 |
| Hurrian | you'll still have to buy another OneNAND part though, you'll likely ruin one if you pull it off at reflow temps | 01:47 |
| WizardNumberNext | sounds interesting, not yet for my pocket, but it might change | 01:48 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer09: Nokia still gets parts custom made from TI? | 01:48 |
| Hurrian | whelp, typo DocScrutinizer05: | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, it's EFUSE iirc, ask freemangordon | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | custom flashed | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fused | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | OMAP has a small PROM | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | fuses | 01:50 |
| WizardNumberNext | like many modern cpus and alike | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a bunch of fuses are also a PROM ;-) | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - both. | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - nvm | 01:50 |
| WizardNumberNext | we can put it that way | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm mostly asleep | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | me as well | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and actually... o/ | 01:51 |
| WizardNumberNext | that's interesting. I wonder if it is user programable in brand new non-custom chips | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 01:52 |
| WizardNumberNext | lovely | 01:52 |
| WizardNumberNext | but I have no good idea how to use it yet | 01:52 |
| Hurrian | OMAPedia ;) | 01:53 |
| * WizardNumberNext need to go to sleep or will be killed tomorrow in work | 01:53 | |
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| WizardNumberNext | anyway omap is quite potent beast, especially omap5 | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I have no issues with CPU speed even of 500MHz 3430 | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's other bottlenecks that suck | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GPU, RAM, storage IF | 01:56 |
| WizardNumberNext | doc is right. speed is quite fine. ram is too small and there is almost complete lack of fast buses | 01:56 |
| WizardNumberNext | yeah use swap and play flac or mp3 from emmc and browse net at the same time - I would die old first ;) | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | swap is a killer | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since storage is soooooo bad | 01:58 |
| WizardNumberNext | I suspect mine gpu in 1st one to be slowly dying. From time to time, very rarely actually I am getting artifacts | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OC? | 01:58 |
| WizardNumberNext | sometimes mine sd is faster then mmc | 01:58 |
| WizardNumberNext | not anymore - at least m onth without going over 600 and staying at 500 most of the time - conservative 81/95 down/up | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OC damage is like sunburn | 01:59 |
| WizardNumberNext | I never before got 13 hours of constant mp3 play, not even with stock settings | 02:00 |
| WizardNumberNext | now it is normal | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even if you never suffer from hard symptoms, your skin remembers all the hard UV light it ever had to take | 02:01 |
| WizardNumberNext | before max was 5 hours | 02:01 |
| WizardNumberNext | you are absolutely right | 02:01 |
| WizardNumberNext | and actually cpus are getting used to be overclocked and getting them back to stock is sometimes killing for owner | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never heard that | 02:02 |
| WizardNumberNext | it is endless cirle - you start you cannot finish | 02:02 |
| WizardNumberNext | I have it both with n900 and amd phenom II 1090t | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but might be plausible to some extent | 02:03 |
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| WizardNumberNext | amd is even worse - it is unbearable on stock and before it was very nice and fast | 02:03 |
| kerio | install cssu-thumb | 02:03 |
| kerio | a faster cpu clock can only do much when you're in swap hell | 02:03 |
| WizardNumberNext | it might be thing about risen voltage | 02:04 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio, I still need kp-52 | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n8 | 02:04 |
| WizardNumberNext | I still cannot find it - I have seen post once and now cannot find this little hidden beast | 02:04 |
| kerio | it's at the very least in merlin1991's extras-devel-light | 02:05 |
| kerio | http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ | 02:05 |
| WizardNumberNext | then tomorrow is a chance for it | 02:05 |
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| WizardNumberNext | maybe I would put freshing up things fr day after to morrow | 02:05 |
| freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: change distribution from fremantle-1.3 to fremantle | 02:06 |
| freemangordon | in HAM, extras-devel catalog that is | 02:06 |
| WizardNumberNext | when I would 3rd n900, then 1st is going to be testbed for other kernels | 02:07 |
| WizardNumberNext | including 3.8 | 02:07 |
| WizardNumberNext | or later | 02:07 |
| freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: also, you don;t need kp52 for xssu-thumb, who told you that? | 02:07 |
| freemangordon | *cssu-thumb | 02:07 |
| WizardNumberNext | maybe I would get gcc-4.8 for arm on mine amd64 and I would compile not kernel only | 02:08 |
| WizardNumberNext | so kp51 is fine? | 02:08 |
| freemangordon | ~cssu-thumb | 02:08 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 | 02:08 |
| freemangordon | read the first post in the thread | 02:09 |
| WizardNumberNext | I would, but it would take me seweral hours - in mean time would be sleep and work | 02:09 |
| freemangordon | O.o | 02:09 |
| freemangordon | several hours to read 15 sentences? | 02:10 |
| freemangordon | up to you | 02:10 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I am sure I have read it before. I have been confussed for so long time. | 02:21 |
| WizardNumberNext | ok as it is tuesday I have to say good n8 | 02:21 |
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| ebzzry | Regarding bluetooth on the N900, has anybody experienced being unable to re-pair a device with it, after it was paired with another device, then back to the N900? | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KP52 finally in repo | 02:33 |
| freemangordon | or rather - in the package interface | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | simonknowsmaemo? shouldn't that have been nuked already? | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | busybox-power(enhanced history)??? wth? | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alternate shell history even | 02:35 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: will look at simon soon | 02:35 |
| freemangordon | but this is the same problem as wi that friggin x11whatever-data package | 02:35 |
| freemangordon | it get removed from the package iface, but stays in the repo | 02:36 |
| freemangordon | howeber, i'm out | 02:36 |
| freemangordon | night | 02:36 |
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| kerio | mmh, my wifi randomly stopped working | 02:51 |
| kerio | meh, now it works | 02:51 |
| kerio | fucking wifi congestion | 02:51 |
| kerio | omg omg omg someone updated python 2.7 | 02:52 |
| kerio | omg omg omg robbiethe1st is here | 02:52 |
| robbiethe1st | What? | 02:53 |
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| kerio | oh for fuck's sake, it's still 2.7.3rc2 | 02:54 |
| kerio | we're at 2.7.5 nowadays | 02:54 |
| kerio | robbiethe1st: hi! | 02:54 |
| kerio | i still haven't tried the latest backupmenu | 02:55 |
| kerio | what's new in it? | 02:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: (omg someone updated python 2.7) fmg fixed a silly botchpatch in import-packages.php that blocked packages that use epoch (something that always been deprecated anyway) | 03:02 |
| kerio | s/deprecated/strongly needed in case of version bugs/ | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we have no version bugs | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you manage to explain to me what use this friggin epoch has for maemo, you win a plastic button | 03:03 |
| kerio | moron uploads package with a really high version to extras-devel, and the same moron only notices it after it's gone into testing | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 03:05 |
| kerio | besides, it's no use figuring out "what use is this for maemo" | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | epoch never been able to cure that | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on maemo.org | 03:05 |
| kerio | dpkg versioning has that | 03:05 |
| kerio | we use dpkg | 03:05 |
| kerio | end of story | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, no dpkg on www, on builder1, on repo, on garage | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and when that moron is such a king of morons, then too bad, his package is moot and he needs to go from morons-acme to morons-acme-2 | 03:07 |
| kerio | or maybe you could fix a bug regarding the handling of valid version strings in midgard | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 03:07 |
| kerio | or write specs on what's valid | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | epoch is NOT valid | 03:08 |
| kerio | until then, the specs are what's written in the debian policy manual | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, either send patches or shutup | 03:08 |
| kerio | epoch is perfectly valid, your disregard of the standard because it's convenient notwithstanding | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't give a flying F | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it never worked on maemo and I don't feel I owe you to fix it | 03:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and until you explain to me what moron pali was to need epoch in powerkernel, I'm not inclined to discuss the whole nonsensical topic any further | 03:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly what I needed after 8h of discussions/arguing with freemangordon about the whole thing. Somebody to blame me for disregarding some standard when I announce that finally we made some broken shite working | 03:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I published the relevant php script several times in here, feel free to send patches, preferably tested ones that don't break what we already got on maemo in repo and database | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or alternatively tell me if I should shut down outobuilder and repo management copletely until somebody fixed that terrible standard violation | 03:32 |
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| HtheB | robbiethe1st: yo | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the answer to >>maybe you could fix a bug regarding the handling of valid version strings in midgard<< is no, we invested ~20 man-hours into evaluation our options regarding that and concluded it's not worth it | 03:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so if anybody got special interest in using epoch in versionb strings, send patches that got tested and verified to work. Since techstaff doesn't feel we got enough spare time filled with boredom we could use to implement your special demand | 03:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if anybody now feels motivated to actually do sth about it, be informed that midgard db never stored epoch in version string, so whatever solution you come up with, it has to handle all existing packages, both those with no epoch and those with arbitrary epoch in versionstring | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while for the rest of you, the ules is: epoch is not supported on maemo.org | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/ules/rule/ | 03:50 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: while for the rest of you, the rule is: epoch is not supported on maemo.org | 03:51 |
| mashina | that's really cool | 03:52 |
| mashina | never seen a bot do that | 03:52 |
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| HtheB | robbiethe1st, how are you? | 04:12 |
| robbiethe1st | Hi | 04:12 |
| HtheB | hi | 04:12 |
| robbiethe1st | So, more packages? | 04:13 |
| HtheB | ? | 04:13 |
| robbiethe1st | It makes sense | 04:13 |
| HtheB | oh | 04:13 |
| HtheB | you've read my pm | 04:14 |
| robbiethe1st | Nah, just read the PM | 04:14 |
| robbiethe1st | Just now. | 04:14 |
| HtheB | u know the TE? | 04:14 |
| robbiethe1st | Nope | 04:14 |
| robbiethe1st | *googleing* | 04:14 |
| HtheB | afaik, it comes with a 'universal adapter' | 04:14 |
| HtheB | if it's heavy, you can keep it | 04:15 |
| HtheB | (i think that the adapter is US only) | 04:15 |
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| robbiethe1st | I'll take a look when I ger it | 04:16 |
| HtheB | robbiethe1st: www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK1QjIVNmFY | 04:16 |
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| robbiethe1st | well, it looks OK... | 04:23 |
| robbiethe1st | I don't know, I suppose I like stuff a /little/ newer.. Scumm engine games are cool, but I can't see myself ever running them on a 'native' system anymore | 04:24 |
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| robbiethe1st | I was really impressed by Legend of Kyrandia on the N900... performed admirably, and looks great | 04:25 |
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| HtheB | :D | 04:27 |
| HtheB | well | 04:29 |
| HtheB | playing on real hardware gives the most pleasure | 04:29 |
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| robbiethe1st | I suppose... though, I mean, originally you'd have to use a mouse and such... touch screen is so nice for those games | 04:30 |
| HtheB | well, yeah | 04:30 |
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| HtheB | true that | 04:30 |
| HtheB | but, the games that i just Have doesn't need a mouse :P | 04:31 |
| HtheB | (im pretty sure you lolled when you tried out duke nukem on that game.com hahahah) | 04:31 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah... | 04:32 |
| HtheB | :D | 04:32 |
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| robbiethe1st | it was a little frustrating controls wise | 04:32 |
| HtheB | haven't tried out myself ever | 04:32 |
| HtheB | im pretty sure it sux a lot | 04:32 |
| HtheB | oh by the way | 04:32 |
| HtheB | got some time? | 04:32 |
| robbiethe1st | Maby | 04:33 |
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| ShadowJK | korhojoa; it was made with a script originally written by speedevil. It measures voltage and current during idle and during busylooping, and derives the internal resistance from the voltage drop | 05:52 |
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| DrCode | hi all | 09:10 |
| DrCode | is there way to solve the 4Gb limit in chroot? also can I zoom chroot screen ? its very small? | 09:11 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: Last time I checked(it was a couple of hours ago) it was me the autobuilder maintainer. Until that holds true, please refrain form declaring what is and what is not supported in autobuilder, esp when it is obvious you still don't understand what the problem with debian epoch and package interface is | 09:12 |
| freemangordon | To make it clear - what is not supported is epoch change | 09:13 |
| freemangordon | and this (epoch change) is not supported in the package interface only - autobuilder, repository, garage and stage have no problems with it | 09:14 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: And how it is possible for you to call Pali names is beyond me :S . Hoving bad mood/bad day/whatever is no excuse. | 09:27 |
| freemangordon | having even | 09:27 |
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| jaska | hmm, looks like the phone only syncs time on boot.. guess i need to put ntp on mine, it was ~5 minutes ahead :) | 10:06 |
| jaska | so i can sleep longer | 10:07 |
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| SAIF | something looks similar | 10:54 |
| SAIF | http://www.element14.com/community/community/knode/single-board_computers/next-gen_beaglebone?CMP=KNC-APAC-Knode-BeagleBoneB-300-250 | 10:54 |
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| kerio | moin | 12:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dear freemangordon, I was quoting kerio who said "moron uploads package with a really high version to extras-devel,..." and I asked kerio to explain to me how that applies to pali. No name calling | 12:51 |
| kerio | he timed out | 12:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | beter that, since he pesters me since 36h with declaring me that I don't have a clue about that silly epoch, while it's his sophism that complicates stuff | 12:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and btw it's not package interface but repo management that fails epically with epoch, since it didn't use it to find newest version at all and thus didn't promote the new KP for example. and now that we (resp he) removed that botchpatch by xfade introduced to handle KP epoch (which I still fail to see why it's needed) it uses epoch but simply for a silly strng compare so backage acme_3 is greater than acme_2:1 | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err sorry, the other way round | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:21:28] <freemangordon> what happens now is - it finds 1:1 and stores version 1 (with epoch stripped) in the collection. when it encounters the next package version (1:2 for example) it compares 1 with 1:2, latter being the bigger. But if it encounters 1:2 before 1:1, guess what happens | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:21:51] <freemangordon> it compares 2 with 1:1 | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:22:13] <freemangordon> and decides that version 1:2 is less than 1:1 | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:22:27] <freemangordon> this is an obvious bug introduced by X-Fade's hack | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:23:29] <freemangordon> nevertheless the version stored in the db is with the epoch stripped | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:25:15] <freemangordon> so, we should either compare 1 with 2 or 1:1 with 1:2 | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:25:41] <DocScrutinizer05> pretty obviously | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (now it goes bizarre) | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:26:05] <freemangordon> if we revert X-Fade's hack we'll compare 1 with 2 | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:26:27] <freemangordon> if I implement a workaround/fix, we'll compare 1:1 with 1:2 | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-19 21:27:13] <freemangordon> but I am not sure what implications my workaround could have on the other parts of the system | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so the general rule "don't use epoch" holds valid | 13:11 |
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| mashina | i need to get a new battery, N900 is dying in it's sleep more often | 13:19 |
| mashina | i have all these spares though... | 13:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mashina: you probably should check your system integrity and config - device a) might simply eat too much power during "sleep", and b) for sure should yell several times before dit dies | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/dit/it/. | 14:35 |
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| koopake | hmm, would someome here able to tell me where to get g++4.2 for n900? :) | 15:32 |
| freemangordon | koopake: you want to build stuff on the device? | 15:33 |
| koopake | yeah :) | 15:33 |
| koopake | or.. trying to compile the silc plugin for irssi | 15:34 |
| freemangordon | why not use scratchbox? | 15:34 |
| koopake | hmm, im a beginner in this stuff, so im not familiar with that :I | 15:35 |
| koopake | imma look that up now though :) | 15:35 |
| freemangordon | koopake: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation | 15:35 |
| koopake | nice, thanks! | 15:36 |
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| koopake | one more dummy question: aint there no screen for xterminal on n900? :P | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think screen package should be available | 15:43 |
| koopake | I would think so too as its available for N9, but cant find it on the extra repos :/ | 15:45 |
| freemangordon | http://maemo.org/packages/view/screen/ | 15:46 |
| freemangordon | http://maemo.org/packages/view/screen-n900/ | 15:46 |
| freemangordon | NFC what is what | 15:46 |
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| koopake | awesome! | 15:51 |
| * koopake hugs freemangordon | 15:51 | |
| BCMM | koopake: there is also tmux | 15:51 |
| koopake | nice, thanks BCMM! shellinabox was on mi list of apps to be installed too | 15:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-20 11:51:30] <DocScrutinizer05> dear freemangordon, I was quoting kerio who said "moron uploads package with a really high version to extras-devel,..." and I asked kerio to explain to me how that applies to pali. No name calling | 16:06 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: saw that | 16:07 |
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| benedikt | i have a n900 that is bootlooping. its been in the drawer a few weeks so the battery isn't at it's best. what do? | 18:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~flashing | 18:55 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 18:55 |
| benedikt | sixwheeledbeast: to clarify, the battery is probably pretty low. | 18:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | you may need to charge it externally via desktop charger or other device | 18:57 |
| benedikt | desktop charger? | 18:57 |
| benedikt | do you mean wall outlet charger? | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | auxiliary charger | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. anything not including N900 | 18:59 |
| benedikt | so it is impossible to charge a bootlooping n900? | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically yes | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a still not confirmed idea that you could use rescueOS to charge | 19:00 |
| benedikt | so buying a new battery and hope that it is charge is my best bet? | 19:01 |
| benedikt | charged* | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one of your better bets at least | 19:01 |
| benedikt | what happens if i try flashing it and the battery dies during the flashing? | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | buying external charger is another one, trying rescueOS a third one | 19:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | batteries come 40-60% charged | 19:01 |
| benedikt | external charger == a charger that charges the battery without the phone? | 19:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | desktop charger = external charger | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | benedikt: it's highly unlikely that battery dies during flashing, since NOLO will refuse to start flashing when battery is too low | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however wehn it ever would happen (e.g. removing battery during flashing), you most likely just need to redo the flasshing process | 19:03 |
| benedikt | DocScrutinizer05: so trying flashing it should be harmless? | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | worst case you might need a coldflash, but that never happened on any of the 1 mio N900 so far ;-) | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, trying to flash is always harmless | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically N900 is unbrickable | 19:04 |
| benedikt | oh good | 19:04 |
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| benedikt | that is reassuring | 19:04 |
| benedikt | is maemo still being developed? | 19:05 |
| benedikt | and this is maybe offtopic, but what about flashing it with meego? | 19:05 |
| benedikt | i measured be batter to 3.37V with a multimeter | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but when you don't see a NOKIA screen with USB logo on N900, when holding down "U" key on unpowered N900 and then plugging device to Nokia wallcharger, then your battery is too weak and no chance whatsoever to start flashing it | 19:06 |
| benedikt | it is rated 3.7 | 19:06 |
| benedikt | DocScrutinizer05: i can get the nokia screen with usb logo | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3.3V is way too low | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | does it stay? | 19:06 |
| benedikt | did so yesterday | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it does, then you're ready to go for flashing | 19:07 |
| benedikt | but if it is basically unbrickable and its safe to try flashing, i'll give it a go before ordering a new battery (and waiting 3 weeks) | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead, and don't wase battery remaining chage on useless experiments | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | omg | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead, and don't waste battery remaining charge on useless experiments | 19:08 |
| benedikt | what is OS2008? | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | take care about the caveats as mentioned on ~flashing wikipage | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OS2008 is N800/N810 maemo4 | 19:10 |
| benedikt | and whats up with all these license agreements and having me enter product ids? i thought maemo was supposed to be free software? | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, not everything is | 19:10 |
| benedikt | true | 19:10 |
| benedikt | a lot binary blobs | 19:10 |
| benedikt | forgot about them | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there might be licensed blobs like mp3codecs, DSP and GPU driver libs, flash10, whatnot else | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bt and wlan chip firmware | 19:11 |
| benedikt | yep | 19:11 |
| benedikt | how up to date are the packages in the maemo repos? | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as up to date as it gets, no changes since 2 years I'd say | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in the base nokia repos | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on extras-* though, we get new stuff or updates every other day | 19:12 |
| benedikt | so the kernel is old and the coreutils are old? | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 19:12 |
| benedikt | is it possible to install arm debian on a n900 | 19:13 |
| kerio | i think so | 19:13 |
| kerio | but it's going to suck | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which isn't too bad since it means no api breakage for all the apps basing on it | 19:13 |
| benedikt | doubt it has a dialer. just an intersting idea | 19:13 |
| kerio | i was thinking more about the powersaving | 19:13 |
| benedikt | DocScrutinizer05: it makes sense from a "lest not break things"-perspective | 19:14 |
| kerio | mer is supposed to be a modern distribution | 19:14 |
| kerio | and on the n900, it chews through the battery like a madman | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mer is strictly upstream/mainline, while maemo has a lot of carefully tailored-to-fit yet FOSS drivers | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not all of them made it upstream | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | benedikt: take particular care to blacklist phonet kernel module on your PC linux, for flashing | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically all recent linux distros ship this useless phonet.ko | 19:19 |
| benedikt | DocScrutinizer05: it isn't loaded | 19:19 |
| kerio | "particular care" | 19:19 |
| benedikt | $ lsmod | grep -c phonet | 19:19 |
| benedikt | 0 | 19:19 |
| kerio | it's just not going to work if it's loaded, no permanent harm done | 19:19 |
| kerio | benedikt: automatic loading | 19:19 |
| benedikt | ah | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | benedikt: that's the point ;-P it gets loaded as soon as you plug in the N900 | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you blacklist it | 19:19 |
| benedikt | blacklited | 19:20 |
| benedikt | wiki said it is called cdc_phonet | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, sth like that | 19:21 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to create a udev rule to start flasher-3.5 instead of cdc_phonet on N900 hotplug event | 19:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but then, cdc_phonet is loaded via depmod-stuff I guess | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not via udev | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wild guessing | 19:23 |
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| benedikt | battery was dead, but it turns out that my local phone shop has the battery for cheap | 19:38 |
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| sidblub_mob | die andere nachricht bekommen? die fritzbox hier ist komisch | 20:34 |
| sidblub_mob | sry. wrong channel | 20:35 |
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| benedikt | is there any preferred way to syncronize calendar and contacts on maemo? caldav and carddav support seems flaky | 21:38 |
| raccoon_ | benedikt: install syncevolution | 21:41 |
| raccoon_ | it has support for most providers and protocols | 21:42 |
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| brolin_empey | Is there any way to get a notification/confirmation when a screenshot is successfully saved as requested in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5770 ? This screenshot notification should have been added before the Nokia N900 was publicly released. :/ | 22:51 |
| povbot_ | Bug 5770: Keyboard shortcut for screenshot should provide notification/confirmation | 22:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm, some vibra feedback would be handy | 22:52 |
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| brolin_empey | Can someone using Maemo 5 CSSU check if any confirmation is provided when a screenshot is successfully saved? I do not use CSSU so I cannot check by myself. | 22:54 |
| kerio | there's nothing, iirc | 22:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | nothing here on Stable | 22:55 |
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| brolin_empey | kerio: Are you using Maemo 5 CSSU? | 22:56 |
| kerio | yes | 22:56 |
| brolin_empey | kerio: sixwheeledbeast: ☹ :/ | 22:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | eh? | 23:00 |
| kerio | patches welcome | 23:01 |
| kerio | and actually not really | 23:01 |
| kerio | i would find it very annoying | 23:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | optional somehow? | 23:01 |
| brolin_empey | Does Harmattan provide any confirmation when a screenshot is successfully saved? | 23:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cpu-load-applet does afaik | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which sucks, since sometimes you see that notification on your screenshot ;-P | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | makes sense when screenshot-tool snapshots its own notifier | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | X-D | 23:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I imagine a audible or vibra notice would be better if it was to be implemented | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see what for I need a confirmation at all | 23:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | however it's easy to push banner messages with dbus calls | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm trying hard to never do the "wut, no reaction? press that key again" | 23:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so when I press the kbd-shortcut for a screenshot, I simply assume it got done this very moment | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no need for notifier | 23:33 |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: I have to press Shift+Ctrl+P instead of Ctrl+Shift+P . A screenshot is saved when I press Shift+Ctrl+P but not when I press Ctrl+Shift+P . | 23:57 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | eh. you press them all together. | 23:58 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Sometimes I miss what I wanted in a screenshot because I press Ctrl+Shift+P instead of Shift+Ctrl+P , hence my desire for a confirmation when a screenshot is successfully saved. | 23:59 |
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