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| vi___ | flash 10 bitches! | 00:02 |
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| Sicelo | :P | 00:03 |
| Sicelo | i'm on crappy gprs atm, otherwise i would scour the logs for this snippet of news. anyone able to give point to the start of the discussion that led to this flash-madnes :P | 00:05 |
| vi___ | Sicelo: no knows/is prepaired to tell the full story for fear of freprisals. | 00:07 |
| vi___ | for the disgruntled ex-nokia employee. | 00:07 |
| * Sicelo worships the man, lol. | 00:08 | |
| vi___ | needless to say, go read the last 4 pages of the epic troll thread titled 'flash 10 when is ikt coming' | 00:08 |
| Sicelo | that said, i don't use flash at all on my N900 | 00:08 |
| vi___ | I know, flash can go eat a bag of dicks. | 00:09 |
| vi___ | but still, after all this time. | 00:09 |
| Sicelo | i've read the thread.. FMG seemed to suggest the conversation started here, but no one gave an exact point in the irc logs for that conversation | 00:09 |
| * Sicelo will scour anyway | 00:10 | |
| vi___ | can you pm me the log adress if you find it? | 00:10 |
| Sicelo | :P | 00:10 |
| Sicelo | sure | 00:10 |
| vi___ | pm me at tmo. | 00:11 |
| vi___ | I am the only asswipe named vi_ | 00:11 |
| vi___ | how can I use linux to remove hiss from audio recordings from the command line? | 00:12 |
| vi___ | I have a pile of files I need to process and all that clicking in audacity will brake my balls. | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sox | 00:15 |
| vi___ | I am allready balls deep in the sox man page. | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wait until you notize you really need sox-filters manpage | 00:16 |
| * vi___ wished there was a thumb2 debian image. | 00:18 | |
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| Sicelo | <seems only FMG has more info about this flash business. he says something about 2-3 months... don't know where that comes from> | 00:19 |
| vi___ | you found irc log? | 00:20 |
| Sicelo | just today's so far.. and you were part of the conversation | 00:21 |
| Sicelo | unfortunately gprs is just bad tonight here | 00:21 |
| vi___ | italy? | 00:21 |
| Sicelo | swaziland, africa | 00:22 |
| Sicelo | :P | 00:22 |
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| myuu__ | the IR window of the n900 cant recieve signals right? | 01:20 |
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| GGon | i got a raspi | 01:23 |
| GGon | and have no sd lying around heh | 01:23 |
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| vzapolskiy | hi guys, do you know, is there some easy way to restore/recreate pmo account? | 01:37 |
| vzapolskiy | for ex-nokian ;) | 01:38 |
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| merlin1991 | pmo? | 02:03 |
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| ShadowJK | myuu__; there is no receiver | 02:15 |
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| myuu__ | checked the forums for an answer, thanks though | 02:16 |
| myuu__ | really odd decision huh, but i guess a reciever isnt something you need. cant imagine it being expensive in any way | 02:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | myuu__: no, it cannot. | 02:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IR receivers are amazingly expensive | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or hard to get right | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and actually, you don't want any | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what could you do with it, except of 'learning' IR-remote codes? | 02:32 |
| ShadowJK | amazingly expensive, as in, this transmitter cost less than a cent, and reciver is many cents? | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then they might not even be reflow-solderable | 02:33 |
| ShadowJK | "free" easter-egg :-) | 02:33 |
| ShadowJK | oh i've only seen them in pregnant to92, but i hvent looked | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway IR receivers have serial output, that usually can't easily get decoded by UART | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you would awake CPU all the time, on random bogus signals | 02:34 |
| ShadowJK | Also, we can modulate this transmitter at any frequency we want, whereas receivers are fixed frequency | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they need a certain volume, to have a decent lense diameter | 02:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no SMT | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and really, in which direction should that thing look?` | 02:36 |
| ShadowJK | I did the decoding in <2% cpu on a P133 once, receiver module hooked up to Line-in on soundboard :-) | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but you'd awake CPU way too often for nuttin | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | worst case 100 times / second | 02:37 |
| ShadowJK | would be interesting for purposes of remote control learning, whether 1x1 px from camera could be high enough in fps | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I already elaborated on this, and I think it should be feasible, if only with updampling | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | upSampling* | 02:38 |
| ShadowJK | but then the signal from a remote control is probably too weak to pass the ir filters even at devices-touching-eachother? | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it's weak | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it'll pass, sometimes | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all you can check one N900 IRTX with another one | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or even with one N900 and two mirrors | 02:40 |
| myuu__ | yeah theres def zero use for it | 02:41 |
| myuu__ | on a modern phone | 02:41 |
| myuu__ | but shit why have IR then, save a fraction of a cent | 02:42 |
| myuu__ | was just curious though | 02:42 |
| myuu__ | have random IR device i wanted to play with | 02:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 more been puzzled why they didn't use IRTX for 9600bd console out | 02:43 | |
| ShadowJK | myuu__; also the ir transmitter in n900 cant do data transfer | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hardcore unmodulated (carrier-less) on/off-IR transmission of every single bit | 02:44 |
| myuu__ | yeah i wasnt expecting it to ShadowJK | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK | well because there's electrical serial console under the battery? :D | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it can bitbang :-) | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | myuu__: anyway, you can DIY a IR receiver for ~1$ | 02:45 |
| ShadowJK | myuu__; basically there was a pin left over on the cpu and they just added a LED connected to it, and someone thought blue LEDs are stupid so they made it infrared | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just solder a photodiode to pin3 and pin4/GND of a 3.5mm jack | 02:46 |
| myuu__ | oh i think i have | 02:47 |
| myuu__ | both those things laying around | 02:47 |
| myuu__ | but i dont have a soldering gun, lost it on the move | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then "record" your IR signals via audio-in | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even better than usual IR receivers which always demodulate and thus you don't get to know the modulation/carrier freqency | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart ALS | 02:49 |
| * infobot puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at ALS | 02:49 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if that was a proper analog component instead of that "mini microcontroller with two light sensitive parts", you could do quite some amazng funky stuff with it | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rotation counter, for RC airplanes (and also real ones with a propeller) | 02:51 |
| ShadowJK | hm, what frequency is proximity sensor modulated at? | 02:52 |
| robbiethe1st | Hey, why can't you do funky stuff with microcontrollers? | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | record audio form any reflective flexibe surface (like laser microphone on window glass) | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: alegedly some 5Hz | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: because thos one has hardwired/mask-programmed code | 02:53 |
| robbiethe1st | ah | 02:53 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, rip it out and plug in a ATMega! | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't need to rip out ALS to add a ATmega on I2Cbus | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I don't need nor want a ATmega, I talked about a fast ambient light sensor | 02:55 |
| robbiethe1st | aw | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: if the LED power (or wavelength) was better visible by camera, I'd think you could calculate from bar pattern of cam sensor readout when during one frame LED went on or off | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: basically reading out several million 1*1 sensors in series, on a rather stable bredictable clock | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | predictable* | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but actually even 60fps should suffice iirc | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | data bitrate of IR RC is rather slowish, like 50bps | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and code gets repeated plenty of times | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you can exploit aliasing to 'oversample' or rather 'upsample' and get a resolution even > sampling rate | 03:02 |
| ShadowJK | I don't remember exactly, but the ones I decoded an at something fairly "normal, 2400 bps or something | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh, unusual | 03:03 |
| ShadowJK | could've been 300, 1200 or 9600 too, I forget :-) | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC-5 | 03:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~24/14 | 03:07 |
| infobot | 1.714285714286 | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~14/25 | 03:08 |
| infobot | 0.56 | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kbaud | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though you need double the sampling rate, to decode what's basically a NRZ | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or not | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just needs a pretty smart decoder, exploiting the redundance | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you can get away with sampling rate that's several times slower than that | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you know the maybe 50 patterns you expect, you know when you're sampling. You just compare to which pattern your sampling results match | 03:13 |
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| * RST38h moos at the moon | 03:23 | |
| RST38h | What is new and exciting tonight? | 03:23 |
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| ShadowJK | Auroras when i drove home | 03:25 |
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| GGon | finished installing raspbmc on my raspi :) | 03:44 |
| GGon | nice | 03:44 |
| fredrinLap | :) | 03:56 |
| rob2_0 | nice | 03:57 |
| rob2_0 | where are you? | 03:57 |
| rob2_0 | wondering if they arent congested with orders anymore | 03:57 |
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| fredrinLap | here? | 04:07 |
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| fredrinLap | gonna checkout raspbmc myself now | 04:08 |
| fredrinLap | been using XBian for some time | 04:08 |
| fredrinLap | but now I've b0rked it up | 04:08 |
| myuu__ | wanna get a cubieboard | 04:09 |
| fredrinLap | ? | 04:09 |
| myuu__ | i was interested in a raspi but the wait was unbearable and once it was out, it was hard to get | 04:09 |
| myuu__ | its the same as a raspi essentially | 04:09 |
| fredrinLap | same comunity? | 04:09 |
| myuu__ | i actually dont know | 04:09 |
| robbiethe1st | Take a look at the Allwinner-based Mele A1000 | 04:09 |
| robbiethe1st | The Allwinner A10 chip is pretty darned open; far more than most, and there's good instructions for loading Linux on it. It's also far cooler than the rasPi in that it's got actual dedicated SATA and ethernet, versus those over USB. | 04:10 |
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| Skry | cubie is faster, being Allwinner based | 04:14 |
| robbiethe1st | So, same thing then. | 04:15 |
| Skry | cubie is cheaper than mele but does not come with a case | 04:17 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah. Cubie looks interesting as far as the extension pins go, though. | 04:18 |
| Skry | yeah, and the price :) | 04:18 |
| robbiethe1st | But the A1000 has VGA and composite etc. | 04:18 |
| robbiethe1st | *built in | 04:18 |
| robbiethe1st | I could definitely see buying a bunch of Cubie, plugging them into a custom designed baseboard connected to a few Arduino-compatible circuits, and use that for some product | 04:20 |
| Skry | guess it's pretty much about what one needs, I personally dont have any use for vga or composite, nor case for that matter. | 04:20 |
| robbiethe1st | Say a CNC Controller | 04:20 |
| Skry | yeah, that sound cool | 04:20 |
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| Skry | if there are people interested in other distros for N900, or linux in general, i'd like to hear your opinions about few things | 04:28 |
| myuu__ | well now that my n900 isnt my daily driver | 04:29 |
| myuu__ | i was actually wondering about maemo-alternatives | 04:29 |
| myuu__ | just the other day i was asking if i could replace the easydeb image with anything | 04:29 |
| beford | oh, hey Skry, I'm interested in Arch (i'm the one that keep asking on the TMO thread :P ) | 04:30 |
| Skry | first, which one you would prefer: smallest kernel with initrd and loads of modules, small kernel and important modules or bigger kernel with all n900 bits compiled in + important modules? important modules being, you know, the essential stuff. Or would you prefer distro specific kernel configs? | 04:32 |
| Skry | beford: hey, it's usable, if you want to try I can help you. there is not much hardware support for now, and I still have packaging to do. | 04:33 |
| myuu__ | def the second option | 04:34 |
| myuu__ | but you ought to tell me what works better | 04:34 |
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| Skry | I like the second option best too, as the use cases with N900 are quite limited. | 04:35 |
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| Skry | I guess I should "release" kernel with very limited modules and start taking requests from people actually interested in using the distro (arch in this case) | 04:37 |
| Skry | second question is: what hardware features are the ones you would absolutely need? | 04:38 |
| Skry | or require even | 04:39 |
| robbiethe1st | Lets see | 04:39 |
| robbiethe1st | Wifi, screen, digitizer, keyboard, USB would be my top 5 | 04:40 |
| myuu__ | id really like BT personally if its possible | 04:40 |
| robbiethe1st | Actually, add battery charging at #4 | 04:40 |
| robbiethe1st | And, in terms of importance? Screen, digitizer, keyboard, wifi, charging, USB host(Device would be cool as well) | 04:41 |
| Skry | wifi, screen, kb and usb already works, bt is something that needs to be ported to 3.x (have not looked at that yet). | 04:42 |
| Skry | could you live without hardware accelerated Xorg? (momentarily at least) | 04:43 |
| myuu__ | yeah sure | 04:47 |
| myuu__ | doing an assignment sorry | 04:47 |
| Skry | I actually have gles acceleration etc working via omapdrm framebuffer. Currently display system is omapdrm (instead of old omapfb) and xf86-video-modesetting for Xorg. | 04:53 |
| Skry | It's actually quite fast with enlightenment, bit hard on battery though. | 04:54 |
| Skry | I'm bugging rob clark regarding xf86-video-omap (which currently does not work with N900) and he has had at least some interest of the matter. This is the driver we want working, as it could (in future, not going to details yet) enable proper acceleration in Xorg. | 04:58 |
| Skry | One might ask why I dont just go with old, kernel and drivers if they work (and they do with mer kernel)? | 05:00 |
| Skry | Because I see no point using them, I want upstream to just work. I dont want to touch stuff which requires deprecated patches never sent to upstream. | 05:02 |
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| Skry | Dont want to touch that proprietary sgx abomination any more than I absolutely have to. | 05:02 |
| Skry | hope you follow my ideology regarding this. and if you dont, you can always use the 2.6.37 kernel from mer if you want. | 05:03 |
| Skry | anyways, is there any external (perhaps usb) devices you would expect to find supported? That was the last question for now. People browsing backlog can just query me if they have something to say about this. | 05:06 |
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| myuu__ | I cant think of ay personally | 05:08 |
| Skry | I was personally thinking about displaylink, some dvb tuners and usb audio at least. | 05:10 |
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| jacekowski | ~flatbatt | 06:44 |
| jacekowski | ~flatbattrecover | 06:44 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 06:44 |
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| luf | Hello I have a problem that I can't reach backupmenu. I installed it using apt-get install backupmenu (1.2.0-1). I see onlu Boot menu (with Maemo 5 from NAND and Power off) when boot with open keyboard. What am I doing wrong? | 10:14 |
| luf | I'm using kernel KP50: 2.6.28.10-power50 | 10:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like bootmenu messed up backupmenu | 10:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while actually BM used to abuse bootmenu | 10:29 |
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| luf | bootmenut was installed as dependency for backupmenu. | 10:30 |
| luf | When it didn't work for first time I tried to purge backupmenu and install it once again. No change. | 10:30 |
| luf | Any idea how to go through this? | 10:30 |
| luf | bootmenu 1.12 Fanoush's Boot Menu; backupmenu 1.2.0-1 BackupMenu is a bootloader-based OS image backup tool. | 10:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get older version of bootmenu | 10:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or fix stuff manually, it's just a few scripts | 10:33 |
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| luf | I prefer manual fix. | 10:33 |
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| luf | DocScrutinizer05: what do you have in /etc/bootmenu.d/backupmenu.item ? | 10:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 48 Oct 18 2010 /etc/bootmenu.d/backupmenu.item | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ # cat /etc/bootmenu.d/backupmenu.item | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | . /usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenuLauncher.item | 10:39 |
| * Arkenoi plays with droid4.. i wish nokia wans't afraid to make bigger phones and bigger keyboards :-( | 10:41 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping | 10:43 |
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| GGon | hm | 10:52 |
| GGon | well... raspi is nice heh | 10:53 |
| GGon | at least as a cheap media player | 10:53 |
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| Flyser | Arkenoi: I wish the droid4 was available in my country :-/ | 10:58 |
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| GGon | a droid 4 is available in any country | 11:01 |
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| Flyser | I don't think so. I am in germany and I have not seen it anywhere | 11:02 |
| GGon | but you can just order one online | 11:02 |
| Flyser | Yeah, one that doesn't work with the GSM frequencies here | 11:03 |
| GGon | lame | 11:03 |
| GGon | droid is only released for verizon isnt it? | 11:03 |
| myuu__ | well its cdma regardless | 11:04 |
| GGon | yah | 11:04 |
| GGon | that was my real question | 11:04 |
| myuu__ | wasnt the droid originally GSM in korea? | 11:04 |
| GGon | no gsm droidsa? | 11:04 |
| myuu__ | i mean i imagine the same thing happened with the droid 4 | 11:04 |
| GGon | maybe there is a droid with a stamp on it | 11:05 |
| luf | Hmmm maybe I see the problem. | 11:05 |
| GGon | then again tho... all androids phones are pretty much the same | 11:05 |
| luf | bootmenu.sh: [ -f ${initfs_prefix}/etc/bootmenu.conf ] && . ${initfs_prefix}/etc/bootmenu.conf | 11:06 |
| Arkenoi | Flyser, it is not in mine, but i do not care as long as there is ebay. | 11:06 |
| myuu__ | of course GGon there are plenty | 11:06 |
| luf | bootmenu.conf: [ -f ${initfs_prefix}/etc/bootmenu.conf ] && . ${initfs_prefix}/etc/bootmenu.conf | 11:06 |
| Arkenoi | Flyser, you can unlock gsm part with special firmware | 11:06 |
| myuu__ | custom rom? | 11:06 |
| myuu__ | which are you using btw | 11:07 |
| GGon | i thought cdma phones lacked the sim reader | 11:07 |
| luf | DocScrutinizer05: it's very different ... | 11:07 |
| luf | DocScrutinizer05: what do you have in bootmenu.conf? | 11:08 |
| myuu__ | well no it def has a sim reader | 11:08 |
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| myuu__ | for international use | 11:08 |
| myuu__ | ive personally never had good experience with that (then again that was before android) | 11:08 |
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| Arkenoi | myuu__, I use Verizon's "leaked" official GSM firmware | 11:10 |
| Arkenoi | but there is cyanogen as well | 11:10 |
| Arkenoi | GGon, it has one, microsim though | 11:10 |
| myuu__ | ugh | 11:10 |
| Arkenoi | because it is not pure CDMA, it is dual standard | 11:10 |
| GGon | thats awesome heh | 11:10 |
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| GGon | http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/19/travel/mobile-airport-travel-apps/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 | 11:14 |
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| luf | Fuck. The problem is I need gnu find in /usr/bin/ due to updatedb ... But it doesn't work during boot. | 11:22 |
| luf | WTF why there is find + for used this way? | 11:25 |
| luf | STR=`/usr/bin/find /etc/bootmenu.d/ -name \*.item` | 11:25 |
| luf | if [ ! -z "$STR" ]; then | 11:25 |
| luf | for bootmenu_item in /etc/bootmenu.d/*.item | 11:25 |
| luf | ... | 11:25 |
| luf | done | 11:25 |
| luf | fi | 11:25 |
| StyXman | find is recursive, but I'm not sure it's relevant in this case | 11:25 |
| fizzie | The "for bootmenu_item in /etc/bootmenu.d/*.item", assuming there are no matching files, will still run the loop once, with bootmenu_item set to the string "/etc/bootmenu.d/*.item"; I suppose it's guarding for that. | 11:28 |
| fizzie | (Rather messy, though.) | 11:28 |
| luf | fizzie: Yeah. I see. | 11:28 |
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| luf | Wow I imagine that someone fix the updatedb + busybox find so I can put back the link /usr/bin/find to busybox. | 11:48 |
| luf | However /usr from definition shouldn't be accessible during boot. That's the reason we have (had) in unix /bin and /usr/bin ... | 11:48 |
| luf | Ok backupmenu is working for me now. Thanks all for help. | 11:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | luf: LOL | 12:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | luf: yes, I prposed a "fix" for updatedb | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luf: all your script text quotes same time scraed me and made me ROTFL | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems somebody messed up bootmenu FUBAR | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luf: sorry, @work, can't help | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl | 12:51 |
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| cityLights | is anyone here from copenhagen? | 14:00 |
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| GGon | yeah... for $35 this raspi isn't bad at all | 14:43 |
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| deepy | How did you get yours? | 14:44 |
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| kerio | ohai deepy | 15:12 |
| kerio | sup | 15:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | to a degree. | 16:15 |
| SpeedEvil | it works well as a box doing routy things. | 16:15 |
| SpeedEvil | don't expect desktop type performance. | 16:15 |
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| teotwaki | deepy: I bought mine from one of my colleagues. Paid exactly 4 beers for it. | 16:34 |
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| deepy | Fair enough | 16:35 |
| deepy | I'm waiting for mine to ship | 16:35 |
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| geotec | hallo pple! I am trying to compile p51 from scratch... cause i need to have CONFIG_AEABI=y and CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT=Y and CONFIG_ARM_THUMB=y (in order to get and older etch chroot working with a needed toolchaing glibc 2.3.2) - Question: Why i fail compiling inside scratchbox with "/scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-strip: Unable to recognise the format of the input file `debian/kernel-power-heade | 18:38 |
| geotec | ? | 18:38 |
| geotec | here is the output http://pastebin.com/e0uETWfg | 18:41 |
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| rzr | ZogG_laptop: are there any left ? | 19:12 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rzr: any what? | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Health Level 7 anybody? | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (v2 only ;-D) | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | DICOM? | 20:19 |
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| Lava_Croft | so, did facebook completely break for n900? | 21:13 |
| Lava_Croft | a in, the im account support | 21:13 |
| Lava_Croft | as in* | 21:13 |
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| Skry | So I've understood. Dont use it though so hard to say for sure. | 21:32 |
| kerio | Lava_Croft: huh? | 21:35 |
| kerio | the IM account support is... jabber | 21:35 |
| kerio | at least, the one i have | 21:35 |
| Skry | wasnt it like, im works but anything else does not? | 21:36 |
| kerio | probably | 21:36 |
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| user_ | compcache rulez. | 23:42 |
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