IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2012-09-08

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tadzikmeh, I have a shiny, new flex cable, and no screwdriver to assemble it :|00:04
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piggzwow, square-it builds and runs on n900, first time!00:18
piggznot without issue tho...it is rotated the wrong way00:18
piggzhmm, how does n900 handle rotation00:18
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piggzoo, it works, just need to _not_ set it to portrait00:26
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Skryanyone related to kernel-power in here?03:25
Skryor someone with some knowledge of smartreflex, iva and voltage domains :)03:32
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SpeedEvilI don't know much beyond it can be unstable on some devices04:03
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Skrymy problems are not with kernel-power, but with a custom kernel. Enabling sr on iva causes panic.04:14
GGoni think i'm going to film a movie with my N900 and say i did it with the Lumia 90004:15
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DocScrutinizer05Skry: sorry, that's fuzzy. KP *is* a custom kernel. What do you mean?04:29
DocScrutinizer05and what's "iva"04:29
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SpeedEvilsmart reflex is unstable on some devices due to hw issues.04:31
DocScrutinizer05yes04:31
SpeedEvilnot really fixable04:31
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: do you recall what's been the catch with Qt(-linedit(4.7.4)) and the "black-on-black text" issue?04:36
DocScrutinizer05*very* old stuff04:36
LaoLang_coolHi, is there an app for sms counter? There is a smscounter already, but it counts sms via the sms database, so it's not useful if I have deleted sms, I want to monitor how many sms I have sent on n900 one month04:36
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer05: nope04:36
jpinxquick question - is there any way to improve the screen resolution when plugging a n900 into an external TV screen ?04:39
DocScrutinizer05no04:40
jpinxI guessed that :)  thanks DocScrutinizer0504:40
DocScrutinizer05at least that's what I guess04:40
jpinxyea - it's not as though that output is going through a seperate video controller04:41
jpinxbut I thought I'd ask anyway ;)04:41
DocScrutinizer05better than PAL won't be available unless you accept non-standard CVBS signals which in turn won't fly with any TV04:41
DocScrutinizer05PAL == 512 lines04:42
jpinxEwww....  grainy04:42
jpinxit's of marginal interest anyway cos you still haveto use the touchscreen controls to actually do anything04:43
DocScrutinizer05iirc the N900 display has 800*480lines04:43
SkryDocScrutinizer05: linux-omap 3.6-rc4. IVA == MPU or DSP if you like. Just wondering if SR has ever worked with dsp or if this is regression. Sorry for being fuzzy, it's 04:45 and I'm somewhat tired.04:44
jpinxI have to wear my glasses to rad the n900 screen and I thought using the TV might alleviate that - but no...04:44
DocScrutinizer05jpinx: AV output is of abysmal quality anyway. Anything better than PAL wouldn't pass the whole HW, even if possible04:46
jpinxDocScrutinizer05: yea - I get it ;)04:46
DocScrutinizer05I mean, it gets lost in cable04:47
DocScrutinizer05though technically I assume PAL on N900 is 800*512 (on 100% zoom), it definitley isn't better than maybe 500*512, due to "low-pass filter" formed by cable, plugs, etc04:49
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DocScrutinizer05red areas even worse, they bleed out like mad, so I can't read red text of "standard size"04:50
DocScrutinizer05e.g. in xchat's chan tabs04:51
DocScrutinizer05no improvement in resolution can fix that04:51
jpinxyea - too much loss in cabling etc04:52
DocScrutinizer05Skry: DSP seems to be more prone to problems introduced by SR than CPU04:53
DocScrutinizer05general advice: don't use SR, it's most likely not really worth it04:53
DocScrutinizer05after all it's just a hw automatism to switch core voltages depending on clock freq, that gets emulated anyway on maemo kernel via software during cpu freq switching by freq-governor04:55
DocScrutinizer05afaik04:55
DocScrutinizer05so, aiui, SR may improve CPU performance slightly, by eliminating need in kernels sw to deal with core voltages 'manually', but it will *not* significantly reduce power consumption04:57
DocScrutinizer05concurrent usage of 'automatic' mode of SR and 'manual' mode tuning the VDD-regulator settings might even create problems05:00
DocScrutinizer05and I don't see anything is disabling 'manual' mode when you simply echo 1 >smartreflex05:00
DocScrutinizer05SR patches to PK been again something done without knowledge of full picture, I'd guess05:02
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DocScrutinizer05first Nokia stock maemo5 kernels had SR sysnodes iirc. Just 'userland' never enabled it (echo 1 >/sys/*/*/sr). While Nokia decided to remove the sysnode in some later kernel, based on proper rationale I guess, others decided to pull it in again to PK and even suggest to enable it05:04
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DocScrutinizer05the rationale of the latter is questionable at least05:06
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Skrymight be. I dont know, there is something weird happening with the whole PM subsystem, random lockups and panics.05:11
DocScrutinizer05yeah, there's some hw flaw of undisclosed thus unknown nature reportedly in SR, according to Nokia05:12
DocScrutinizer05that's why they implemented it in sw, and consequently deprecated and removed sysnode for SR from stock kernel05:12
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DocScrutinizer05may I ask what's your hw revision?05:14
DocScrutinizer05grep hw-build /proc/component_version05:15
Skry210105:21
SkryI actually dont have any problems with SR when using KP.05:22
SkryI guess 3.6-rc4+ is too bleeding edge :)05:22
SkryAnyways, that SR "problem" is not the only one, for some reason cpufreq does not go below 500MHz automatically or manually, even though the freqs are in OPP table.05:27
DocScrutinizer05Skry: wait, you're running kernel 3.6-rc4? without maemo-patches?05:32
DocScrutinizer05won't fly afaik05:32
SkryWell, not using it with maemo, but yes.05:33
DocScrutinizer05maemo kernel is pretty 'custom' even in stock version05:33
DocScrutinizer05you might want to check what mer/nemo got for N900 kernel, they might have something semi-recent and working05:35
SkryI've had no other problems than this so far. They dont have anything semi-recent afaik, there is abandoned 3.0 wip from meego but there is nothing usable in there.05:37
DocScrutinizer05btw thanks for sharing that, it seems a pretty good indication that all SR messing around in/with PK is just cruft and blunder, since maemo-patches in kernel and cpu-governor still do the manual regulator control thing, and plain vanilla SR doesn't work at all05:38
SkryYeah, it seems that SR somewhat works with core (sometimes works, sometimes panics) and always panics with mpu05:39
DocScrutinizer05:nod:05:40
DocScrutinizer05toldya DSP seems more prone to problems from SR than CPU05:41
Skryso it seems.05:41
Skryhmm05:41
Skryvdd_mpu_iva: 600 <--> 1450 mV normal | voltdm_scale: No voltage scale API registered for vdd_mpu_iva | platform mpu.0: omap_target: unable to scale voltage down.05:43
DocScrutinizer05"No voltage scale API registered for vdd_mpu_iva" makes sense, since afaik cpu core voltage is linked to DSP core voltage, they are one same thing05:45
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Skryi think so too. Could it be possible that something tries to adjust them separately and fails causing the lockups?05:49
DocScrutinizer05sure05:49
DocScrutinizer05I only recently had a very short cursory read about internals of SR, in TRM of omap3430 and tps65950 aka twl4030 aka GAIA/pmu05:50
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DocScrutinizer05so I don't know if maybe SR even expects them to be separate and this might be the cause of Nokia's statement that "SR is broken in hw"05:51
SkryIt must be Nokia specific since that should be possible/work with 343005:52
DocScrutinizer05sure (unless it's a silicon erratum in early mask steps of either twl4030 or omap3430)05:53
DocScrutinizer05but for sure it might also be Nokia's design not using the LDO-regulator for DSP like it's recommended by TI05:54
DocScrutinizer05(if there's such a thing like a dedicated LDO for DSP)05:54
SkrySo, the whole issue might be somewhat bigger, what if there is some Nokia weirdness that prevents some combinations of ON/RET/OFF states, which would lead to panics when using 3430 C-states with rx-51 :S05:55
DocScrutinizer05:shrug:05:55
DocScrutinizer05unless you find out about which particular weirdness that might be (in schematics, or in Nokia's kernel patches), we'll never know, since @Nokia there's nobody left over who even *could* tell us05:57
DocScrutinizer05we *could* check the assumption of dedicated DSP LDO existing in twl4030 but not used by Nokia in N900. We got the schematics and the TRM/UM/datasheets of twl4030/tps6595005:59
DocScrutinizer05If you don't have them, /query me06:00
Skryactually N900 has different C-states than rest of 34xx, I already hacked them into cpuidle34xx.c, but I only looked at latency and residency values, not the states of core and mpu. So I guess I need to take a peek at Nokias sources.06:00
Skryok I'll ask you for the datasheets IF I cant figure anything else out06:05
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paviHere is a very silly question , I remember my N900 having builtin google talk and built in skype . I remember removing them .. dunno how but they are gone . How to get them back . By built in I mean skype via phone contacts11:26
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pavidpkg -l says that skype-installer and skype-ui-l10n-* are installed11:28
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kerioi don't have those11:40
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kerioi have osso-accounts-plugin-skype, rtcom-abook-skype-plugin, rtcom-skype-emoticon-theme11:41
keriooh, i do have skype-ui-l10n-*11:41
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paviapparently I dunno where to look11:53
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paviI went to settings and found the voip accounts thingy11:54
paviBut skype is not signing in :(11:54
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pavigoogle work11:54
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paviWhy am I getting not signed in for skype always ? did they change protocol or server?12:01
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SkryDocScrutinizer05: You seem to be very familiar with hardware so regarding our conversation earlier.. I found interesting note from one patch from Meego/Mer:13:39
Skryjhnikula@gmail.com: voltage.c: OMAP4430_VDD_CORE_OPPx's in13:39
Skryomap34xx_vdd1_vdd2_data replaced with OMAP3430_VDD_CORE_OPP3_UV. First13:39
Skrybecause of OMAP4430_VDD_CORE_OPPx is not available in 2.6.37, is wrong for13:39
Skry34xx (even the voltages are close) and since the DSS don't work if core13:39
Skryvoltage is scaled.]13:39
Skrycan you confirm this? sorry for the paste..13:39
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I seem to miss my coffe to make sense of this13:40
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SkryThats from the patchset to Introduce DVSF (dynamic voltage and frequency scaling).. Basically that is saying that IF you scale down core voltage, DSS (display subsystem) stops working.13:47
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DocScrutinizer05well, that's probably not specified in datasheet, so this info has to originate from somewhere else13:51
DocScrutinizer05maybe ask for  jhnikula in #mer13:52
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DocScrutinizer05Skry: please /join #mer , read chanlog last 5 minutes14:01
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DocScrutinizer05background/context (for your convenience) http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-09-08.log.html#t2012-09-08T03:25:14  http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-09-08.log.html#t2012-09-08T04:53:1014:10
DocScrutinizer05oops ECHAN14:10
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tadzikDocScrutinizer05: ping16:27
DocScrutinizer05pong16:27
tadzikI have the new flex cable, and was able to disassembly N900 up to the point when I have the Slider thingy separate16:27
tadzikbut then it seems like this flex cable is glued to it or something16:28
DocScrutinizer05follow instructions in L1_216:28
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tadzikoh, ok. Just looked at the L1L216:29
DocScrutinizer05I'd guess it's glued somewhere, but first you have to disassemble upper half (screen half) to get access16:29
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DocScrutinizer05I never did that disassembly of upper half, so can't comment first-hand about it16:29
tadzikI have this SLIDE ASSY separate16:29
tadzikand disconnected that from the LCD16:30
DocScrutinizer05yeah, I've also seen parts labeled "slide ass'y + main flex cable" sold as a unit16:30
DocScrutinizer05so I guess it's glued by doublesided sticky16:31
tadzikprobably16:31
DocScrutinizer05but, see above16:31
DocScrutinizer05never looked into it16:31
tadzikright16:31
tadzikmust be somewhere in L3_416:32
tadzikL1_2 (L1L2?) just treats it as an atomic part16:32
DocScrutinizer05maybe, though L3_4 is mainly about technical descriptions and subsystems16:32
tadzikhrm, so I could just spend twice the money on the whole slider thing and resell the cable itself, maybe16:33
* tadzik sighs16:33
DocScrutinizer05or you warm up the whole thing thoroughly (60-70°C) and then slowly peel off the old cable16:33
DocScrutinizer05;-D16:33
tadzikhaha, right :P16:34
tadzikdo you have any idea who might have dismantled it the way I'll need to?16:34
DocScrutinizer05sorry, nobody comes to mind16:34
DocScrutinizer05anyway L1_2 is pretty good until it becomes obvious how to proceed16:35
tadzikyeah, well, it's not enough in this case16:35
DocScrutinizer05so I guess nothing special with how main flex aka FPC is glued to slider mech16:35
tadzikon the last photo when it says "now disassembled, bravo" the slider assy is shown as one part16:36
DocScrutinizer05hehe16:36
tadzikjust glue, eh?16:36
DocScrutinizer05I'd not worry too much, it's for sure ds-sticky16:36
DocScrutinizer05warm it up, peel it off, slowly and carefully16:36
tadzikwell, I'm about to throw it away anyway16:37
DocScrutinizer05prior to that, MARK THE EXACT POSITION16:37
DocScrutinizer05with pencil or whatever16:37
tadzikit has holes it has to match16:37
DocScrutinizer05sure16:38
tadzikso I guess you can't get it wrong (famous last words)16:38
DocScrutinizer05nevertheless a nice mark helps a lot16:38
DocScrutinizer05mind you, there's sticky so you won't move it much once you got it near the sticky area16:38
tadzikespecially since the holes in metal are bigger than the ones in flex16:38
* tadzik shakes fist16:38
tadzikhow to heat it safely, hairdryer?16:39
DocScrutinizer05fair enough16:39
tadzikokay, let's get this started then16:39
DocScrutinizer05just take your time, it will take like minutes to come off slowly16:40
DocScrutinizer05more force isn't speeding this up the way you'd expect it to16:40
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DocScrutinizer05more heat though will16:40
tadzikhm16:41
tadzikI have to figure out my own sticky thing?16:41
tadzikor the one that's there will stay, enough of this to put a new one there?16:41
DocScrutinizer05aaah, heat up the FPC side so sticky stays on slider mech16:41
tadzikok16:41
DocScrutinizer05usually old sticky is 're-usable' if treated *carefully* during peel-off16:42
kerioman, animation-less hildon is seriously cool16:42
DocScrutinizer05yeah, anim is for sissies16:42
DocScrutinizer05uselss eye-candy most of the time16:42
DocScrutinizer05gets annoying pretty fast16:42
tadzikand gets pretty fast once you get rid of it ;)16:43
DocScrutinizer05HARM is all about eye-candy, once that's 'used up' you discover the massive lack of functionality behind that chrome cover16:43
kerioHARM?16:44
DocScrutinizer05just a sidenote, rather OT16:44
keriowhy the all caps?16:45
DocScrutinizer05no special reason, I just got used to that way to write it16:46
DocScrutinizer05to distinguish from the noun harm16:46
tadzikhaha, lucky day16:47
tadzikthe new flex cable has its own sticky on it16:47
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DocScrutinizer05cool16:47
DocScrutinizer05pro tip: remove sticky/glue residues with further strong sticky tape you press on it and remove fast16:48
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tadzikwas just about to scratch them off16:49
DocScrutinizer05gaffa tape works pretty good16:49
DocScrutinizer05scratching doesn't really work16:49
DocScrutinizer05too smeary16:50
DocScrutinizer05use scotch or gaffa patches to dab it off16:51
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DocScrutinizer05each time you dab with sticky tape, a bit more of the glue residues comes off and stays on sticky patch16:51
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DocScrutinizer05while with scatching you can't remove anything of that crap16:52
DocScrutinizer05you'll just pread it all over the place16:53
DocScrutinizer05spread*16:53
DocScrutinizer05and ruin the surface sticky properties, so later dabbing off won't work anymore16:54
DocScrutinizer05you *could* dissolve it with accetone16:55
DocScrutinizer05if it's on plain metal surface16:55
DocScrutinizer05but it's really messy16:55
DocScrutinizer05dab off with sticky tape is really best and proven procedure16:56
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tadzikscotch worked quite well17:01
DocScrutinizer05toldya17:01
DocScrutinizer05:-)17:01
tadzikscotch + fingernail ;)17:01
jon_ywet tissue paper :)17:04
jon_yor wet cloth17:04
DocScrutinizer05tadzik: good luck! I'm afk now17:06
tadzikany way to make this flex cable more bulletproof somehow?17:07
DocScrutinizer05nah17:07
tadzikDocScrutinizer05: thanks :) Will report once I get this thing back together17:07
DocScrutinizer05appreciated17:07
tadzikif it's flexing near metal parts it's bound to get fscked sooner or later17:07
DocScrutinizer05(bulletproof) keep clean and free of dust17:07
DocScrutinizer05anything sliding in between upper and lower half of N900 most certainly will damage the FPC17:08
DocScrutinizer05so make sure there are no credit card, business cards, whatever going in there17:09
DocScrutinizer05and keep it away from dust and sand17:09
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DocScrutinizer05anybody got problems with recent marble update?17:16
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tadzikhaha, fixed!17:34
tadzik(sent from my n900)17:35
kerioby the way, pierogi is a really good remote control app17:35
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Sicelotadzik: \o/17:38
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keriohm, is there a better terminal emulator for the n900?17:43
Skrywhats wrong with xterm?17:44
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keriono 256color support, for instance17:45
tadzikDocScrutinizer05: thanks for all support, that was one exciting experience :)17:47
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DocScrutinizer05tadzik: YW17:59
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Lava_Croftkerio: iirc, no18:07
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: (256) ??? http://inz.fi/blog/category/geeky/maemo/maemo-hackers/osso-xterm/18:11
Lava_Croftapparently there's something called evilvte too18:11
Lava_Croftbut i haven't used it18:11
keriooh, there's no xterm-256color terminfo18:14
keriothat's probably part of the problem18:15
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keriohm, i wonder if backupmenu should tweak kernel parameters wrt caches and queues18:30
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: do you reckon bq24k's emergency charge is enough to prevent the battery from draining when using bootmenu's usb MSM?18:40
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* ShadowJK would doubt18:45
keriothen backupmenu it is :D18:46
DocScrutinizer51kerio: BM has proper charging, based on my script18:48
kerioi know18:49
DocScrutinizer51oops bootmenu not backupmenu, you said18:50
kerioDocScrutinizer51: yeah, i was doing a backup and i tried both bootmenu and backupmenu's usb stuff18:51
kerio~seen robbiethe1st18:52
infobotrobbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-37-128-155.mscw.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 14h 7m 8s ago, saying: 'It's like a T3 or 4'.18:52
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SkryDocScrutinizer51: surprisingly the fault was cpufreq, not smartreflex18:59
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DocScrutinizer51toldya cpufreq is usually doing that stuff manully19:23
DocScrutinizer51so if you wanna use SR you probably need a special build or special parameter of/to cpufreq19:23
Skryyup, i'll have go through mer patches for cpufreq if there is something i didnt notice earlier19:25
Skryimo these things should just work by now19:27
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PsotnickCan someone tell me what is the width of maemo panel?19:53
Skry800px19:54
PsotnickNot the screen, just the top panel with time, battery status etc19:54
Skrysorry, gotta learn to read :D19:55
PsotnickNo problem, I just have no idea how can I measure it19:55
Skrytake screenshot and check with some image editor19:56
PsotnickOh, thanks19:56
PsotnickI'm dumb...19:56
kerioPsotnick: still 800px19:56
keriothe height on the other hand...19:56
Skryi guess you could find the correct value from sources but i guess screenshot is faster :)19:57
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Skrykerio: i think he means that semi transparent part of it19:59
keriobut... it's variable :s20:00
PsotnickNo, I meant height ofc20:02
PsotnickBut like I said, I'm dumb and I thought it's ok to say width, sorry20:03
keriooic20:03
kerio56px20:05
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Psotnickthx20:07
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sixwheeledbeastmaemo.org down?21:04
sixwheeledbeasthttp://www.isup.me/maemo.org21:04
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spoofyHello :) Is there anyone who solved the problem of metasploit and postgresql? Is the postgresql package is available somewhere?21:16
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PsotnickHow to create app that supports portrait mode with hildon.h? Is there a function for that or something like that?21:21
sixwheeledbeastdo you mean an app that auto rotates?21:24
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sixwheeledbeastPsotnick: ??21:34
Psotnicksixwheeledbeast: yes21:36
sixwheeledbeastpython?21:36
PsotnickC/C++21:36
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sixwheeledbeastclass MainWindow : public QMainWindow21:39
sixwheeledbeast{21:39
sixwheeledbeast    Q_OBJECT21:39
sixwheeledbeastpublic:21:39
sixwheeledbeast    enum ScreenOrientation {21:40
sixwheeledbeast        ScreenOrientationLockPortrait,21:40
sixwheeledbeast        ScreenOrientationLockLandscape,21:40
keriodon't paste you dick21:40
sixwheeledbeast        ScreenOrientationAuto21:40
sixwheeledbeast    };21:40
sixwheeledbeast    explicit MainWindow(QWidget *parent = 0);21:40
sixwheeledbeast    virtual ~MainWindow();21:40
sixwheeledbeast    // Note that this will only have an effect on Symbian and Fremantle.21:40
sixwheeledbeast    void setOrientation(ScreenOrientation orientation);21:40
sixwheeledbeast    void showExpanded();21:40
sixwheeledbeastsorry21:40
spoofyUgh.. Can someone with working sdk can compile new postgresql? gem install pg is not working.. even with export path can't find pg_config21:42
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PsotnickI said using hildon.h not QT21:42
trxsixwheeledbeast also, this is much more simple to copy : setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5PortraitOrientation, true); or (setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, true);, etc)21:45
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icetearhi22:46
DocScrutinizer51hi22:47
DocScrutinizer51sixwheeledbeast: please no pasting >5 lines (usually 3)22:47
icetearthis is the maemo channel.. right? this is first time i use irc chat..22:48
DocScrutinizer51welcome22:49
tadzikhello icetear22:49
icetearand i'm italian and not speach very well english.22:49
DocScrutinizer51i5's good enough :)22:50
iceteari have a question for maemo...it's possible increase the fm trainsmitter?22:51
kerioicetear: yes, but the results are still kinda bad22:51
keriohttp://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/fmtxd1.3 this is a modified fmtxd, put it in /usr/sbin/(22:51
kerioer22:51
kerioin /usr/sbin/22:52
kerio(it's for PR1.3)22:52
kerioOpenMediaPlayer also has a way to not disable the fmtx when the charger is connected, with that modified fmtxd22:52
kerionote that it'll still not be "good", in any way22:52
keriobut it's as good as it can be22:52
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iceteari understand..i have n900 (nokia) i read in my language in many sites but it's really difficoult22:54
sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer51: yes sorry all, a moment of madness22:55
iceteari see the file what is this?22:58
iceteari'm not a programmator..22:58
sixwheeledbeastit is a binary to replace the default one22:59
iceteari put this in my nokia?23:00
icetearfor amplific fm trasmission?23:00
kerio-sigh-23:01
kerioi'll deal with this23:01
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DocScrutinizer51kerio: you'll do? In a polite way? :)23:16
kerioin a polite and italian way, yep23:17
kerioin PM23:17
keriowell, in query23:17
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