IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-06-27

M4rtinK	ZogG_lap1op: ok	00:00
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qwazix_	M4rtinK: thanks :)	00:04
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freemangordon	ZogG_lap1op: it does not make sence men. See, continuing that bullshit talk does help noone. Neither I can understand what YOU really want. And have in mind that I am smart enough and have good enough social skills to understand what is going on. Usually.	00:04
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ZogG_lap1op	freemangordon: i just got to point it's hard to stop - i agree, but it's was mine aim all the time. it's just the reaction and answers and ignorance i got for at the begging normal questions lead me here	00:07
ZogG_lap1op	s/was/wasn't/	00:10
infobot	ZogG_lap1op meant: freemangordon: i just got to point it's hard to stop - i agree, but it's wasn't mine aim all the time. it's just the reaction and answers and ignorance i got for at the begging normal questions lead me here	00:10
ZogG_lap1op	lol	00:10
ZogG_lap1op	made whole point wrong by saying one word wrong	00:10
freemangordon	ZogG_lap1op: :) I see. But frankly, do you really trust in that "conspiracy theory"? Come on. See, you were not there (on #maemo) when there was a lot of talk about CA, lots of time before the Council was elected. We were discussing it a lot and you 've missed it. Not that I am accusing you for that, but you just lack the background.	00:11
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ZogG_lap1op	freemangordon: yeah i missed a lot on maemo lately as i was more on harmattan lately, and was less in maemo for a year or more	00:12
freemangordon	ZogG_lap1op: and yes, Estel has has said in one form or another that he will wait for the end of subbmissions period before he will decide whether to apply or not	00:12
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Venemo_N9	aw, get over it man	00:13
ZogG_lap1op	freemangordon: and you just have to understand that it doesn't matter if it was talked about or not or whatever, it was just wrong thing to do. and after it was told once excuse from council would be not bad, they kept going with it	00:13
ZogG_lap1op	Venemo_N9: i hate to close eyes on thing, i was raised to tell in face and i;m stubborn =\	00:14
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freemangordon	because they are right, why it is so hard to understand? it was not the current council to decide the rules.	00:15
freemangordon	the rules were decided a good time befire the elections	00:15
freemangordon	*before	00:15
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ZogG_lap1op	freemangordon: what rules?	00:16
ZogG_lap1op	i don't believe councils i knew before would do that	00:17
freemangordon	ZogG_lap1op: the rules for CA	00:17
ZogG_lap1op	freemangordon: the rules of not judging yourself i think was way before internet =)	00:17
ZogG_lap1op	and i mean not judging like in spirital way =P	00:18
zeq	freemangordon: if you're working on rotation, shall I get the zoom rocker keys working?	00:18
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freemangordon	zeq: unfortunately I am working on nothing mor but wasting my time :(	00:19
Venemo_N9	ZogG_lap1op, that's ok. you told it, we agreed, we discussed :(	00:19
Venemo_N9	:) :)	00:19
freemangordon	trying to convince some people thay are wrong on the internet :)	00:20
Venemo_N9	so now let's finish it	00:20
zeq	Yeah, I just got back, and I've been reading the scrollback	00:21
zeq	I've got nothing to add to the discussion, I wasn't actively involved at the time, and frankly I think it's pretty embarrassing that some people can't let it go and move on.	00:25
zeq	But perhaps that's because I'm not emotionally invested.	00:25
ZogG_lap1op	Venemo_N9: that's the point that there were only 3 lines about it on meeting and it was like "okay okay just leave us" after that.	00:27
zeq	Hey, I wanted an N950 too, but you know what, the N900 is pretty good, and has been getting better for as long as I've had it.	00:27
ZogG_lap1op	zeq: it's not about me getting one	00:28
* freemangordon won't tlee what he will do with his N950, as ZogG_lap1op will post it on TMO in a couple of minutes :P		00:28
freemangordon	*tell	00:28
ZogG_lap1op	freemangordon: you already told =)	00:29
ZogG_lap1op	freemangordon: and logs are public anyway	00:29
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ZogG_lap1op	and i don't care what you would do it	00:30
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user_	Woody14619: ping	00:39
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merlin1991	was already wondering who's user_	00:40
freemangordon	merlin1991: usually it is vi__	00:41
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ZogG_lap1op	what client does have it by default? =)	00:42
vi_	irc from 3 places.	00:42
merlin1991	any proper linux client? :D	00:42
merlin1991	that runs on the n900? :D	00:42
ZogG_lap1op	merlin1991: irssi =)	00:42
vi_	irssi is king.	00:42
ZogG_lap1op	merlin1991: i used xchat	00:42
vi_	king like a square headlamp from a late eighties motorcycle.	00:43
ZogG_lap1op	there was adopted build afaik	00:43
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Estel_	freemangordon, thangs a lot for being voice of reasonability...	00:44
Estel_	But it's quite futile	00:44
Estel_	we have this in Poland - even worse - something like 20 % of people "know" what is right and what is not	00:44
Estel_	how "world" should look and how it doesnt look	00:44
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Estel_	and belive, that they way of seeining things is only one possible	00:44
qwazix_	glib is finally compiling... let's see...	00:44
Estel_	we even had prime minister like that, forutnately, only for 2 years :P	00:44
Sicelo	merlin1991: someone said quassel is best on N900. i use irssi though	00:44
Estel_	before his own flamewars kicked him out	00:45
ZogG_lap1op	coins has 2 sides	00:45
Estel_	same here	00:45
ZogG_lap1op	always	00:45
ZogG_lap1op	all yo ucan say can be assumed to you	00:45
Estel_	ZogG, You're one big lack of integrity of what You're saying	00:45
Estel_	first, You applied to CA	00:45
qwazix_	yay! done :)	00:45
Estel_	then, You say that You haven't followed TMO, mailing list, and IRc for more than 2 months, lol	00:45
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: and?	00:45
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ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: i send mail didn't read one	00:45
Estel_	then, You come here and cry, that it isn't Your fault that You were not interested	00:45
Estel_	no, I'm done with all post-CA discussions :)	00:46
merlin1991	Sicelo: hehe	00:46
Estel_	You know the difference? you act like mdoerate politic	00:46
merlin1991	people seems to take a liking into moking me lately :D	00:46
Estel_	and we act meritocrately	00:46
Estel_	We judged submissions by meritr, not by "someone was councilor, or not"	00:46
ZogG_lap1op	even some councils didn't know how you explain it, but i'm tierd. you just can't accept it. and probably you the one in those 20% like you say	00:46
Estel_	You would like to punish Councilors like they arer politics or whatnot	00:46
Estel_	they're UNPAID VOLUNTEERS and were eglible to apply. period.	00:46
Estel_	You would like to copy Your goverment soap opera	00:47
Estel_	that concludes topic, for me.	00:47
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Estel_	I suppose, that man judges by himself - you say that You think council couldn't judge other councilor's submission by merit	00:47
Estel_	probably, You're talking, judging by howe YOU would do it.	00:47
Estel_	We did it based on merit. End of message :P	00:47
dafox	hi all. Today I was/am playing with the dbus interface to the media player on my n900, and I found that for n9/n950 there is a dbus call to get information on the currently playing song (com.nokia.mafw.renderer.get_current_media_info). Does anyone know of something similar for n900's media player?	00:48
ZogG_lap1op	i'm stoping argue on last thing - i'm volutering my self in real life project, and i do it not to mock everyone that i'm volunteer, no one forced you, and if you decided to be council - great, but do it right, if you don't - don't do it. no one force you	00:48
Estel_	ZogG, true. And no one have f*cking right to say that Councilor were not eglible to take part in CA	00:49
merlin1991	dafox yes ther eis	00:49
Estel_	just because you would like to copy buerocratic standards from real life politics	00:49
Estel_	it's meritocracy, not politic.	00:49
Estel_	We don't give a F* about if You think it's "moral" for You, or not. all is based on merit.	00:50
Sicelo	:\	00:50
dafox	merlin1991: I know it broadcasts it on start/stop/song change etc, but is there a way to get it 'on demand'?	00:50
merlin1991	see http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_%28MAFW%29	00:50
merlin1991	might be in there	00:50
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: you saying two opposite things in one sentence and you promied to stop talking about it, it's time to =)	00:50
Estel_	just out of curiosity, what is opposite?:)	00:50
ZogG_lap1op	1)we don't give a F*,2) we volunteer and moral	00:52
Estel_	As far as I'm concerned, I just told Yuo, that we don't care if it's morla for You - we, and communioty that decided about Ca LONG before I was councilor, decided that Council will judge submissions by merit, no matter if submitter is councilor or not.	00:52
Estel_	yes.	00:52
Estel_	We don't give a fuck about Your morality.	00:52
dafox	merlin1991: I saw that page, but it was about the c/python bindings (I'm just playing around with dbus, I have a tiny sh script done atm for just start/stop etc, which is all I need)	00:52
ZogG_lap1op	so you only care about your particular?	00:52
Estel_	Communtiy decided, that council will manage to judge submissions by merit, and don't give a F* again, about if someone is councilor, former councilor, or Council hater	00:52
Estel_	no, I care about what was meritocratily decided months ago	00:53
merlin1991	dafox: sorry I thought that was the page describin the dbus calls	00:53
Estel_	not, few buthurts kid try to impose their morality on everyone	00:53
merlin1991	gimme a few mins to find the proper one :D	00:53
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: you can't not to do it, it's human nature =) if you say i wouldn't it still doesn't work	00:53
Estel_	ZogG, basically irrelevant.	00:53
ZogG_lap1op	and afaik other council told you actually decided not to judge if you submit	00:53
dafox	merlin1991: I think you may have meant this page then: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Media_player	00:53
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: it is relevant, as you say we as council, but it's your words not all the council's	00:54
vi_	dafox: media palyer info does appear on dbus but it is totally banana	00:54
Estel_	what is rellevant is a) there was procedure to decide who will judge b) there was discussion on judges judging themselves, if You like Yoiur stupid comparision to civil trials c) it's Your fuckin fault that You haven't protested, until You lost CA yourself	00:54
Estel_	ZogG, what a BS?	00:54
Estel_	where You took that from?	00:54
Estel_	whole Council took part in deciding.	00:54
vi_	there is a python wrapper that lets you make dbus call and requests.	00:54
Estel_	vi_, You bastard, You're against me too? Even after those chjicks and money You send me to get N950?	00:55
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: from post of one of the councils, read the thread	00:55
Estel_	oh, it was meant to be private ;)	00:55
vi_	!!	00:55
ZogG_lap1op	oh riiiight	00:55
Sicelo	wtf!	00:55
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ZogG_lap1op	jokes again when out of arguments	00:55
Sicelo	0.9	00:55
Estel_	ZogG, Council answered to this bullshit days ago. I don't answer for personal opinions or confusion of SD69.	00:55
ZogG_lap1op	you are total lost man	00:55
Estel_	nope.	00:55
dafox	vi_ yes, but since I just have a small sh script I don't want to listen on dbus the whole time, as it just invokes the dbus calls from that wiki page to start/stop/next/previous the media player. I just thought it might be nice to also have an 'info' command to show some current information	00:55
Estel_	ZogG, didn't noticed You're not only one that I discuss with?	00:56
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: so why your answer is official and his is personal?	00:56
Sicelo	jeez... that pm ..	00:56
Estel_	you're not center of univers,e your fuckin hypocritic morality won't be thrown on others. Get used to that.	00:56
Estel_	ZogG, not my. He answered to, in nowe closed thread	00:56
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: i don't claim myself, you do	00:56
vi_	dafox: Yes it would be nice, I even tried once but without the wrapper it is very hard.	00:56
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: and how it makes that answer more official than last one?	00:57
Estel_	so, lets have fun and go through this meritocratily, step by step:	00:57
Estel_	tell me, on which point You have problem	00:57
Estel_	1. on april it was decided who will judge CA, and how councilors will be allowed to submit there	00:57
vi_	you have to set up a 'tempory' dbus monitor to catch the info then you have to parse and arrange it nicely.	00:57
Estel_	it was discussed on mailing list, TMO, and IRc, before election	00:57
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Estel_	now, after point 1 - tell me what You don't get here.	00:57
dafox	vi_: hard or impossible? I mean, does such a call even exist for n900, or is the only way to listen for the song change notifications? (the wrapper could be listening all the time)	00:57
vi_	Estel_: let it go. zogg is the new abill.	00:57
Estel_	we will work this out, I'll explain everything to you like Good Father to childs.	00:57
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: at you submitting and judging and than when was asked the way you acted and attacked people and than at meeting you suggest ignore and didn't give a f, and now saying you don't give a f	00:58
Estel_	vi_, I know	00:58
Estel_	that's why i'm starving him by going point through point	00:58
Estel_	ZogG, please answer my question.	00:58
ZogG_lap1op	lol	00:58
Estel_	I've described You point 1, and i'm asking what You don't get from it	00:58
ZogG_lap1op	starving me? i find it funny how people with luck of arguments adn trolls using the word troll just to prove they are right =)	00:58
Estel_	could you, please, focus on merit and answer my question?	00:59
ZogG_lap1op	facts man, re-check the thread	00:59
Estel_	I've formulated point 1, because we can';t discuss all things at once.	00:59
Estel_	could you, please, answer what You don't understand from point 1?	00:59
Estel_	<Estel_> 1. on april it was decided who will judge CA, and how councilors will be allowed to submit there	00:59
* Sicelo takes his black a** to bed. seems this CA was some poisoned gift. eew		00:59
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: i described you all my points few times, i'm tiered to repeat them. you answers are not related at all anyway	00:59
Estel_	<Estel_> it was discussed on mailing list, TMO, and IRc, before election	00:59
Estel_	you're tired? I answered them much more times, that You've asked	01:00
vi_	guys I have created #ca-ranting for this.	01:00
Estel_	so either You discuss like adult	01:00
Estel_	or go FU You.	01:00
Estel_	we're dissasermbling it to simple points, oficially	01:00
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: if you make wrong decision it is still wrong	01:00
vi_	Estel_: chill out.	01:00
Estel_	either You want to discuss what You don't udnerstand from every poi9nts, or You're just troll that want flamewar, nothing more.	01:00
Estel_	ZogG, define You.	01:00
ZogG_lap1op	and i see few councils thought it would be different or one of you lies	01:00
Estel_	vi_, i'm in chillout state, I actually have much fun doing it	01:01
Estel_	ZogG, who is You? community, that decided on april?	01:01
Estel_	so, you impose, that You know better how Community should acted, and that it acted wrong?	01:01
ZogG_lap1op	how is it releated when it was decided and how if the decision was wrong any way	01:01
Estel_	because Community decided via mailing list, TMo, and IRC	01:02
Estel_	on april.	01:02
Estel_	You imply, that You know better, and Community decision is void, because You think that it's wrong?	01:02
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: as it was mentioned people told that it's not a good idea on irc and on tmo	01:02
ZogG_lap1op	and a lot just didn't check those	01:02
Estel_	nope. 1 person did 1 one liner	01:02
Estel_	geneven on TMO	01:02
ZogG_lap1op	it still doesn't make you right.	01:02
Estel_	if You have other sources, please link me to it.	01:02
ZogG_lap1op	it's like sayying i said i'll kill him, so i told, you had chance to stop me	01:03
ZogG_lap1op	how it makes it better?	01:03
freemangordon	vi_: WOW, you're asking someone to chill out? What date is it today :P	01:03
Estel_	ZogG, unrelated. community decided. you're no one to judge Community decisions, and request changing them.	01:03
Estel_	it's basically unrelated, if You like or not, what was decided. It was, and that is sense of point 1.	01:04
vi_	it just frustrates me to see all this happening on my favourite forum.	01:04
Estel_	And I'm not trying to attack you personally - i'm just stating facts, it's not relaterd if You or me like it	01:04
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: the point is that it is ended on TMO and enuf people understood who are you and how you act. what else i want to discuss with you? i think nothing. i think it only proves or you are ego person or "it's only you right one" and world is broken	01:04
Estel_	I'm ego person, because I commit my own time to discuss it with You, point by point?	01:04
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: what is community?	01:04
trx	i have no idea what this is about and i dont care, but can #maemo return its focus to Maemo? please? :)	01:05
Estel_	Community? Participants of discussions, going thourhg mailing list, TMo, IRC, contributors...	01:05
ZogG_lap1op	you think people here are not community? people on TMO who said it was conflict of interests are not community?	01:05
Estel_	ZogG, no, Youre on june	01:05
Estel_	and we're stikll on april	01:05
GeneralAntilles	trx+++	01:05
Estel_	it seems that You can't construct any meritocratic argument about "why decision amde by Community on april is null and void"	01:05
Estel_	lets go to point 2	01:05
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ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: i talk about same people including #harmattan and #maemo and TMO, all those who speak up and shared thanks on my posts. and few of them contributed a lot	01:06
Estel_	2. CA rules are announced, 5 days latter Ca starts. Rules are announced again, via mailing list, news, TMO, and IRC	01:06
trx	yeah, listen to GeneralAntilles ! :)	01:06
Estel_	GeneralAntilles, please, give us a ten minutes to resolve this once for aLL, civil	01:06
Estel_	I'm going with him point through point :)	01:06
ZogG_lap1op	you still mised first point	01:06
Estel_	ZogG, anything You don't understand or don't agree about point 2?	01:06
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Estel_	no worries, we will address Your points in ~point 4	01:07
ZogG_lap1op	i just told it doesn't matter how many times and where you told it, the decision was wrong.	01:07
ZogG_lap1op	it's just pointless	01:07
Estel_	ZogG, and I ask You, who You're to judge it.	01:07
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Estel_	it wasn't my decidions, personal. It was how communtiy decided it to be.	01:07
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: and who are you to judge?	01:07
Estel_	if You don't have any problems with point 2, lets move to point 3	01:07
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: so it wasn;t your decision and you was forced to submit?	01:08
Estel_	3. Ca runs for 3 weeks, people, including You, send submissions,m so they know rules etc. Councilors send submissions too, everything in public, via mailing list. No one protests. It's also known who will judge and how.	01:08
Estel_	any problems with point 3?	01:08
Estel_	of course I submitted on my own, because Community decided that it's ok on point 1, Arpil :)	01:08
ZogG_lap1op	or you the first to make decision to submit and you knew it may have problems later, i saw your post on TMO yesterday =)	01:08
Estel_	It was my proposition to make councilors uneglible to take part in Ca, but to my pleasant surprise, Communtiy decided otherwise.	01:08
Estel_	nope, I submitted last.	01:09
Estel_	but I never told anyone that I won't submit	01:09
Estel_	in fact, it was known from April, that I will	01:09
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: but you asked to do it, and you just don;t take opportunity to being council and judge without getting phone in any way?	01:09
Estel_	jsut like 4 others Councilors	01:09
* Raimu opens the #maemo window and quickly runs away		01:09
Estel_	we've asked Community and Qgil on mailing list, if it's ok, again, and beginning of May	01:09
Estel_	ok, point 4	01:09
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: it is 3 other as Woody14619 told straight and understood what it is	01:10
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: you go alone i see with point system )	01:10
Estel_	4. CA results are announced - msot participants, both winners and not, are satisfied and congratulate. Few people who have submitted - and few, who have not - start outcry about how wrong it was for Council to win and judge at the same time	01:10
Estel_	fair enough?	01:10
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ZogG_lap1op	say yourself agree with yourself, than talk to yourself man )	01:10
Estel_	now, point 1, 2 and 3 give clear results, that problems of people from point 4 are void.	01:11
Estel_	man, be civil.	01:11
ZogG_lap1op	you are lost man, and i don't see any chance thru your ignorance	01:11
Estel_	Either form correct accusations, or agree, that Your outcry is butthurt.	01:11
ZogG_lap1op	you like cartman that tells stories and believe in them =)	01:11
ZogG_lap1op	it's amusing	01:11
Estel_	why? Because I spent last 15 minutes, going with You point through point?	01:11
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ZogG_lap1op	continue	01:11
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Estel_	nothing to continue, we've gone through 4 points. Either You form valid points, where something was done other way than community decided...	01:12
Estel_	Or You're just butthurt kid, that like flamewar, and nothing else.	01:12
ZogG_lap1op	patent your point system please	01:12
ZogG_lap1op	people might still it and make mney	01:12
ZogG_lap1op	money*	01:12
Estel_	sure thing, I will call it "how to starce trolls in 4 easy steps"	01:13
Estel_	s/starce/starve/	01:13
infobot	Estel_ meant: sure thing, I will call it "how to starve trolls in 4 easy steps"	01:13
ZogG_lap1op	lol, call it self diet of troll =)	01:13
Estel_	also called "merit, merit, merit, and merit - 4 points to heavens"	01:13
Estel_	now I hope that you will stop spreading FUD about how Councilors didn't wanted to talk with You.	01:13
Estel_	and explain You.	01:13
Estel_	and answer You.	01:13
ZogG_lap1op	you talk too much about your merit and how you are so worthy	01:13
ZogG_lap1op	i hope you don;t get horny just saying it	01:14
Estel_	if You feel that You got enough attention to stop being butthurt loser, we can officialy close it :)	01:14
ZogG_lap1op	i'm not loser, you are =)	01:14
Estel_	please, be civil. sexual allusions in civil discussioon? Blee.	01:14
Estel_	oh, I feel so touched by Your argumentums ad persona :( chanop, please!	01:14
ZogG_lap1op	i feel pitty for you mighty Estel_ the king of merit and justice and community spirit =)	01:14
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ZogG_lap1op	lol	01:15
ZogG_lap1op	there is no report button	01:15
Estel_	it's really dishearting, that You're calling names, when we had such civil and merit discussion :(	01:15
ZogG_lap1op	i'm sorry	01:15
freemangordon	ZogG_lap1op: stop it, please	01:15
freemangordon	I beg you	01:15
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: looool wooot, who is loser, butthurt kid and other words you say and than you assume me, nice way to go point sytem =)	01:15
Estel_	or freemangordon will die of either laugh or sadness.	01:15
ZogG_lap1op	speak for yourself	01:16
ZogG_lap1op	freemangordon: ok man, it's just funny	01:16
freemangordon	sadness is the word, but that is not the point	01:16
Estel_	tadaam! after 4 points and a little calling names, our Theatre is closed! Please pay for tickets in offices.	01:16
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freemangordon	ZogG_lap1op: no, it is not, atl least for me	01:16
Estel_	Now, I promise, I will never ever discuss with any butthurt kid about Ca results. i'll drop them link to logs from this irc discussion, instead :P	01:17
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Estel_	freemangordon, morning ;)	01:17
ZogG_lap1op	Estel_: please do it	01:18
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vi_	STOP	01:18
vi_	ENOUGH	01:18
Estel_	Can't we stay friends after all? <sweet magenta flowers with Satan inside>	01:18
vi_	CEASE AND DESIST	01:19
Estel_	null and void :P	01:19
vi_	this has decended into BS and ad hominem.	01:19
Estel_	I'kk give You flowers in the morning... swee voice	01:20
Woody14619	vi_ Just now you're noticing this? :P Btw: Pong. :)	01:20
RiD	potatos	01:20
vi_	Woody14619: I was going to say fuck dem haterz.	01:20
Estel_	vi_, luke-jr molested You about selling Your N950?	01:20
Estel_	I saw him pinging You :P	01:20
vi_	yeah, he wants one. Who can blame him.	01:21
Estel_	absolutely no one. If he can save spare 20k dollars, who knows, maybe he will manage to buy one.	01:21
Estel_	not from me, of course.	01:21
vi_	I told him I would trade it for a road lega 2 stroke motorcross bike.	01:22
Estel_	i'll sell it for 2 millions after 1- years, and send postcard to ZogG	01:22
Estel_	hahaha	01:22
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vi_	Estel_: STOP ffs.	01:22
Estel_	jokng, man	01:22
Estel_	joking*	01:22
Estel_	but You're right, I'll be better sending postcard to Arie	01:23
ZogG_lap1op	hope is lost	01:23
Estel_	ok, enough. Stop drinking ;)	01:23
Estel_	vi_, have You seen Homeworld for N900, recent port?	01:23
Estel_	I would never belive, that we can have something like this re	01:23
Estel_	running solely on CPU	01:23
Estel_	at max details, etc	01:24
Estel_	freemangordon, any chance to run SDL program on external monitor, via mentioned RPi method?	01:24
Estel_	or is it like Maemo Ui, no chance?	01:24
Estel_	SDL sounds quite low-level.	01:25
freemangordon	Estel_: morning	01:25
Estel_	and we have already some hits, like Jaggec Alliance 2 or civilization or Homeworld running via SDL	01:25
freemangordon	NFS what SDL is :)	01:25
Estel_	http://www.libsdl.org/	01:26
freemangordon	nad besides half-life I am not much into gaming	01:26
Estel_	direct media layer, that runs on everything, including N900	01:26
Estel_	freemangordon, haha, noticed by Your nickname	01:26
Estel_	well, if something is ported to unix-like systems, either by re-writing engine, or becausew released sources etc, you can take it for granted, that it's SDL	01:27
freemangordon	but afaik ivgalvez was an SDL and/or games guru. could be wring of course	01:27
freemangordon	*wrong	01:27
Estel_	wuut? I must ask him	01:27
Estel_	thanks	01:27
freemangordon	I thint there are several threads on TMO he is announcing some new games. Have in mind I might be wrong	01:29
freemangordon	*thin	01:29
freemangordon	aaah	01:29
freemangordon	THINK	01:29
freemangordon	damn	01:29
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Estel_	erm, wasn't it szopin or aapoRantalainen? Especially the latter did SDL	01:35
Estel_	anyway, i'll ask	01:35
freemangordon	hmm, both of them iirc	01:35
Estel_	BTw, good luck on CSSU meeting :) Keeping my thumbs	01:35
* Estel_ means that ifYou're wanting to say even 1% of things I think You want to say, then it's worth saying. haha!		01:36
freemangordon	I told you I have a lot of experience in saying bullshit :P. I could be nearly as good as the natives :D	01:37
freemangordon	On the serious not: I was thinking it will be a good Idea a part of the council to participate	01:37
freemangordon	*note	01:38
merlin1991	hm?	01:38
* SpeedEvil has been rereading the Harry Dresden books, featuring the white council.		01:38
merlin1991	SpeedEvil: they are awesome :D	01:38
* SpeedEvil has found this occasionally amusing while reading the threads and comments above.		01:38
merlin1991	though later in the series it gets rather weird	01:38
freemangordon	(and that part excludes you Estel_, I really don't want you and DocScrutinizer05 arguing there :P)	01:39
SpeedEvil	The notion of the maemo council being able to behead people they don't like :)	01:39
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Estel_	freemangordon, good idea, jsut drop us a date that You agree on, ok?	01:40
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vi_	SDL was 'fixed'/ported to n900 by javispedro I think.	01:40
Estel_	freemangordon, no problem, but me and DocScrutinizer are kind like newly married	01:40
Estel_	we don't argue anymore	01:40
vi_	It was one of the 'J' named guys.	01:40
Estel_	thanks, vi_	01:40
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Estel_	freemangordon, or You've settled up on date and time, and I missed that?	01:41
freemangordon	Estel_: it is merlin1991 you have to ask for the date	01:41
vi_	think of it like directX but cross platform and not closed source.	01:41
Estel_	I'll try to "assign" (i.e. ask for participate) someon e else, but it may turn out that i'll be only one available	01:41
vi_	higher level than opengl.	01:41
Estel_	freemangordon, OK	01:41
Estel_	vi_, are you sure about higher level?	01:42
ZogG_lap1op	SpeedEvil: :)	01:42
Estel_	afaik it's exclusive with open gel, or at least, opengles	01:42
vi_	Estel_: no	01:42
freemangordon	Estel_: NFC, I am wating a mil, but I am sure if Council asks merlin1991 he will CC you too	01:42
Estel_	ok.	01:42
Estel_	merlin1991, ping	01:42
merlin1991	pong	01:42
vi_	which way around is it again?	01:43
vi_	yes, I am sure.	01:43
Estel_	Could You, please, send Councilors a mail, when You settle up for date and time for next CSSU meeting?	01:43
vi_	(assembler is at the bottom, the lowest.)	01:43
Estel_	i.e. the official one, mentioned by freemangordon	01:43
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Estel_	merlin1991, lokks like You're scrolling through backlog and checking why the heck do I want info?:P	01:45
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user	~botsnack	01:46
infobot	thanks, user	01:46
freemangordon	vi_: stop feeding that troll please	01:47
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Estel_	;)	01:47
vi___	sorry, I could not tell if I was actually connected.	01:47
vi___	poor reception on this misappropriated wifi.	01:48
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FIQ\|n900	~ping	01:48
infobot	~pong	01:48
FIQ\|n900	~pong	01:48
infobot	~ping	01:48
FIQ\|n900	heh	01:48
Estel_	~die	01:48
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FIQ\|n900	what if a clone were connected...	01:48
dsfdsf	~die	01:48
dsfdsf	~die	01:48
* infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.		01:48
dsfdsf	~assasinate <you know who>	01:49
dsfdsf	~murder <you know who>	01:49
* infobot shoots <you know who> in his sleep		01:49
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qwazix_	I've hit a wall... Why the hell would a dev package from the SDK repo throw syntax errors? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1227993&postcount=61	01:49
infobot	bite the dist, dsfdsf	01:50
Estel_	qwazix_, no idea, but Your work is outstanding, too.	01:50
Estel_	woot?	01:50
qwazix_	thanks, hope I reach some result, I'd love to make the N950 a new N900	01:51
vi___	when did gerbick become so depressing? Did his wife just leave him?	01:52
infobot	dsfdsf, <you know who> gave me this package for you. It makes funny ticking sounds, please take it as I'm in a hurry	01:52
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vi___	~wisdom is the domain of the wizz, which is now extinct.	01:53
infobot	...but wisdom is already something else...	01:53
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vi___	~wisdom	01:53
infobot	rumour has it, wisdom is http://double-chinned.mirror.waffleimages.com/data/d8/d881c8b68df1bc81c582650da8a86cc4d1b0930e.jpg	01:53
vi___	~beauty	01:53
infobot	well, beauty is in the eye of the beer holder...	01:53
DocScrutinizer05	beauty is not wisdom	01:54
DocScrutinizer05	wisdom is not love	01:54
vi___	damn you doc	01:54
DocScrutinizer05	love is not music, MUSIC is the BEST	01:54
vi___	you have locked all the nibbles	01:54
vi___	!!!	01:54
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vi___	DocScrutinizer05: you have 10 seconds. What was FZ best album?	01:55
DocScrutinizer05	zoot allures	01:55
vi___	controversial	01:55
DocScrutinizer05	dang, 2s over	01:56
vi___	brb, 8 hours unconcious.	01:56
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chem\|st	Estel_: you cannot just let it be that you are wrong you have to rub it in and show everyone you are above anyone, do you? (mailinglist)	01:59
Estel_	chem\|st, dafuq?	02:00
Estel_	IIRc my last mail to mailing list was summing where we announced Ca results, and answering tp Andree, that if it didn't landed in mailing list, it was mistake	02:01
Estel_	reffering to something, or just dropped here to call me names?	02:01
chem\|st	Estel_: a "thanks, we did forget about posting to mailinglist as we are not used to using it" is the right answer	02:01
Estel_	w00t?	02:02
chem\|st	Estel_: exactly, it was discussed...	02:02
Estel_	I don't get You man, sorry, but I haven't written any Bs like that	02:02
Estel_	andre mentioned, that Ca results wer enot announced 2 mailing list	02:02
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Estel_	and I answered, that it was announced on news, TMO, IRC, Council blog, and if it didn't landed on mailing lsit, it's, indeed, our mistake...	02:03
Estel_	but nothing like we wanted to hide it or somethikng	02:03
Estel_	it's literally, almost full quotation of my mail	02:03
chem\|st	Estel_: you defended... in a situation you should admit...	02:03
Estel_	chem\|st, I still don't get You, but, as mailing list is public, i'm sure everyone can make own opinion. IMO, there wasn't any conflict there	02:03
Estel_	I agreed with Andre, that if didn't landed on ML, it was mistake	02:03
Estel_	and told him, where we posted it	02:03
Estel_	got any problem with it? 0_o?	02:03
chem\|st	Estel_: your attitude yes	02:04
Estel_	shrugs in which part of my mail do you have problem about attitude?	02:04
Estel_	qutoations, please.	02:04
Estel_	not to mentionm that i don'	02:04
Estel_	t see much sense in discussing it public on #maemo, but, whatever	02:04
chem\|st	you are defending!	02:04
Estel_	who? from what?	02:05
Estel_	quotes, please.	02:05
Estel_	i'm tired of talking without quotes, links, and merits.	02:05
chem\|st	admitting that it was a mistake, fine, but then you defend like it does not matter	02:05
chem\|st	Estel_: there are 2 emails, you read both...	02:05
Estel_	ok, so you basically think it was wrong, that I mentioned where Ca results were announced...	02:05
chem\|st	Estel_: what do you need quotations of your own mail?	02:05
Estel_	in addition to admitting, that *if8 it didn';t landed in mailing list, it was mistake?	02:05
Estel_	if it's what You want, I still don't get Your problem, honestly.	02:06
Estel_	I think that it's absolutely approriate to mention, where results are to be found, if someone got problems finding it, or feel not informed.	02:06
Estel_	also, due to latest events, it's very important to makr, that no one wanted to hide results, and, that, in fact, results were available, generally, everywhere	02:07
Estel_	chem\|st, form your attitude, it seems that You have personal problems with me. Not that I care - mind You - but i don't necessary like You attacking me like that, on #maemo.	02:07
chem\|st	Estel_: not in this way, appropriate would be what I wrote above	02:07
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Estel_	After ignoring 30 pages long thread full of insults and bold words, You've granted me "20 insomething" points, for writing that "As per my knowlenge, are is not liked in harmattan, yet, he self imposed himself as a voice of Harmattan"	02:08
Estel_	have I came here	02:08
Estel_	and cry about it	02:08
Estel_	demanding strange explanations from You?	02:08
Estel_	Please, mind your business with moderating TMO, not only in situations, where You need to mark your existence.	02:08
Estel_	my reply on mailing list was justified, Polite, and no one except You seem to have problem with it, starting with personthat it was addressed to	02:09
Estel_	So please, spare me this BS. All right?	02:09
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chem\|st	Estel_: watch it, I am sick of you defending your position as solely right when you are bad-ass wrong	02:11
chem\|st	I note you down that your response was inappropriate and did it here instead of ignoring it or flaming you on the ML	02:12
Estel_	nice, point took. I keep my right to disagree with you, totally.	02:13
Estel_	I have nothing against You flaming it on mailing list - i'm sure others would act approriately, and flame your unjustified accusations, in response	02:13
Estel_	lets leave it like that, and go back to our business.	02:13
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chem\|st	Estel_: for tmo, you earned those points long before and I just held back as noone reported you (blind eyes), this time you got reported	02:15
freemangordon	Estel_: you're overreacting man, chill out	02:15
RiD	too much coffee	02:15
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Estel_	freemangordon, not exactly.nnot exactly. see:	02:16
Estel_	http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-June/005520.html	02:16
Estel_	and tell me, where ion those 4 lines, I did something inapproriate.	02:16
Estel_	of course, everyone is entitled to have own opinion, but i'll keep my right to not allow forcing it on me.	02:17
Estel_	chem\|st, honestly, I don't care much 0 I udnerstand, that as moderator, you has to mark that You exist there at all, after ignoring this shitstorm topic, where everyone used worst names on everyone (especially, onCa contributors and winners)	02:18
Estel_	You wanted to assign me some points - no problem	02:18
freemangordon	Estel_: it is your right to behave in a way you find apprropriate, I was just expressing my thoughts	02:18
Estel_	but I haven't started to pester You about it on irc, pm, or anywhere	02:18
Estel_	freemangordon, I understand	02:18
Estel_	probably, maybe i'm really allergic for post Ca accusations :)	02:18
Estel_	alergy - overreactivity :)	02:19
Estel_	I'm just honest guy, probably to honest for some.	02:19
zeq	freemangordon: I've got most of the zoom key support in, also put in the PORTRAIT_MODE atom while I was at it, but currently protected by #if 0, until we fix it.	02:19
chem\|st	Estel_: feeling guilty?	02:19
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freemangordon	Estel_, I am honest too, but being honest is not the same as being rude	02:19
Estel_	so chem\|st, I think that I have much more merit to pester You for inapproriate reactions or lack for, yet, I didn't then you come here, and tell me, that it was wrong from my side to mention, where Ca results were announced?	02:20
* chem\|st grabs popcorn and becomes seated comfy		02:20
freemangordon	Estel_: chill out, please	02:20
Estel_	You were writing about popcorn, when people were calling CA winners - not only councilors "corrupted, retards", etc. I've seen logs from your comments.	02:20
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freemangordon	Estel_: I was called a liar. So what?	02:21
Estel_	then, you come and play "moderator", and later play someone who know better hjow I should phrase my own mails? seriously	02:21
Estel_	freemangordon, nothing at all ;)	02:21
Estel_	It's just about bashing hypocritic behavior, a little.	02:21
chem\|st	Estel_: that is a common habit over here in "dark"-IRC to grab popcorn whenever there is a shitstorm on tmo-TV	02:21
Estel_	I woudl really preffer chem\|st to perform his duties, instead of teching others how to write polite 3 liner.	02:21
Estel_	ok, generally, it's nothing worth arguing.	02:22
Estel_	You got Your opinion, i keep mine	02:22
Estel_	we're all alive and happy.	02:22
ZogG_lap1op	nowdays calling names and than blaming others for that is a merit =)	02:22
chem\|st	Estel_: ehrm I have no duties within maemo.org	02:22
Estel_	so why the hell won't You resign from being moderator?	02:22
Estel_	jumping once for a year and "teaching" others that You're still mod isn't helping much.	02:22
freemangordon	well, I give up	02:23
freemangordon	bb guys	02:23
Estel_	see ya, same here	02:23
Estel_	need to fix my cooling system for CNC	02:23
ZogG_lap1op	volunteering today is not a duty, it's random choice of what you want to "merit" for. device, power, voices — yes. grown up behaivour admitness, polite - no	02:23
freemangordon	yeah, your cooling system deffinitely needs a fix :(	02:23
chem\|st	freemangordon: +1	02:24
ZogG_lap1op	it's like one person quistioned by enuf people still takes each one separete and personally and do not look in whole picture	02:24
chem\|st	ZogG_lap1op: leave it... not worth the typing....	02:25
ZogG_lap1op	chem\|st: i like how you jump once in the year thing, maybe you should tweet everytime you spend hours on flame topics checking post by post? or all you actvity on maemo and tmo? the value of deeds is not enuf today, today we are pop stars we need attention and rating, what we are and who were are are less important, most important status and glory =)	02:27
ZogG_lap1op	way to go	02:27
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* rzr wondering about purchasing an extra n9 in case of the elopcalypse ... how much does a used one could cost ?		02:33
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ZogG_lap1op	rzr: i think ±400$ for 64 gb	02:36
rzr	and 16 ?	02:38
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* DocScrutinizer05 discharges a truckload of icecibes int channel		02:59
DocScrutinizer05	cubes* even	03:00
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SpeedEvil	http://www.dealextreme.com/p/silicone-brick-design-ice-cubes-maker-diy-mould-blue-138652	03:17
SpeedEvil	I don't think avoiding the trademark name will fool anyone :)	03:17
DocScrutinizer05	SpeedEvil: I'd like to see more of your remarks and critics in cssu	03:20
DocScrutinizer05	I know you as an exceptionally sharp mind	03:21
SpeedEvil	I'm doing an appeal against a legal decision at the moment.	03:21
SpeedEvil	I'll add it in the next week or so when that's done.	03:22
DocScrutinizer05	:-) and good luck!	03:22
SpeedEvil	Which will boil down to again 'read my actual submission, it diddn't say that'	03:23
DocScrutinizer05	sigh - buerocracy	03:23
SpeedEvil	Indeed.	03:24
SpeedEvil	Thanks.	03:24
SpeedEvil	Adding to the fun is the delay.	03:24
SpeedEvil	It's been ~14mo since the original decision.	03:24
DocScrutinizer05	:-S	03:25
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zeq1	freemangordon: Interesting datapoint: This needs to be verified, but Stellarium has gone from ~8-10fps to 50-60fps with the thumb/neon qt build	03:29
SpeedEvil	:)	03:29
zeq1	I didn't expect that. I was just making sure everything still worked	03:30
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zeq1	damn, my zoom keys patch didn't work :(	03:33
zeq1	XError: X_ChangeProperty: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)	03:34
zeq1	winId	03:35
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DocScrutinizer05	zeq: :-)	03:40
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Estel_	zeq, sounds awesome	03:53
Estel_	why so much gain? some bug in normal compilation?	03:53
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, it's cool here, what You've did to channel?	03:54
Estel_	nooooob question. I've program that I need to wrap inside wrapper, so it will kill xbindkeys upon exectuion, and will run xbindkeys again, when killed, no matter if gracefully or not	03:54
Estel_	how should it be done, re best coding practices?	03:54
Estel_	i.e. what would be msot "bulletproof" way to do it?	03:55
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DocScrutinizer05	check trap command in shell scripting	04:01
DocScrutinizer05	new hostmode vboost script is using it that way	04:01
DocScrutinizer05	and actually, a lot more of scripts should use a trap cleanup construct, to make sure not to leave temporary files, half-isntalled packages, whatnot else, when existing in an unexcpected way	04:02
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DocScrutinizer05	you migth also google for fsoraw, a wrapper I invented for doing almost exactly what you asked for	04:04
DocScrutinizer05	(fsoraw is the FSO resource allocation wrapper, a timy proggie that e.g switches screen backlight to "stay on" while the wrapped-up binary (game etc) is running. And it's built in a way so it basically can't fail to restore whatever resource allocated to the original state, when the monitored game quits	04:07
DocScrutinizer05	)	04:07
DocScrutinizer05	though I admit dbus is doing a great deal to ensure this property	04:08
DocScrutinizer05	but that are FSO internal details that are somewhat OT here	04:08
DocScrutinizer05	for your purpose a trap on exit should do the trick	04:09
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DocScrutinizer05	in a shell script	04:09
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Estel_	DocScrutinizer, thanks a lot, very interesting readings	04:26
Estel_	BTw, You just made me aware, that I also want screen kept on during working of this program :)	04:26
Estel_	for a newbie, this trap looks tricky (lol!, so I have many pleasant hours of testing it and fsoraw, to udnerstand ins and outs	04:27
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DocScrutinizer05	kwtm: ???	07:05
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infobot	kwtm is currently on #maemo (18m 33s), last said: 'Ok, I am officially disconnected.'.	07:06
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zeq	Estel_: In the qt4 build NEON intrinsics are used for SIMD, which is a huge win on the Cortex-A8. I suspect if we profiled Stellarium we'd find within the UI drawing code one or more calls to qt functions dominating runtime. This can have the result of preventing the 3D hardware being kept busy, effectively serializing execution between CPU and GPU. If this bottleneck is relieved by those calls returning faster the 3D hw has	09:09
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zeq	The idea with GPU acceleration is to keep the GPU command buffer sufficiently full to allow the CPU to get on with other things.	09:10
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zeq	freemangordon: I don't know if you figured this out or not, but within the mozilla _obj-build_ tree you can call make in subdirs to rebuild the module you're working on. When finished, from the top of the "obj-build", you can use make deb to actually build the .deb.	09:14
zeq	WFM	09:14
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DocScrutinizer05	irssi, the client that ruthlessly trunkates whatever you write (or rather, doesn't care at all about max post len of irc server)	09:25
DocScrutinizer05	:-S	09:25
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DocScrutinizer05	(call make in subdirs) thanks for late confirmation that my suggestion not been complete nonsense :-)	09:27
iluminator105	i am repairing a n900 and on internet connections it always shows ppp0 on it what is that	09:27
DocScrutinizer05	sorry, you lost me. maybe rephrase the question	09:28
iluminator105	on the internet connection it always shows ppp0 on it	09:29
iluminator105	as like a connection point	09:29
iluminator105	how do i remove that	09:29
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DocScrutinizer05	reflash?	09:31
iluminator105	ppp0 is not in network interfaces	09:31
iluminator105	reflash what you mean	09:31
DocScrutinizer05	~flashing	09:31
infobot	maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	09:31
iluminator105	if i was to backing everything to install maemo how would i do that	09:31
iluminator105	if i was to backing everything to nemo how would i do that	09:32
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zeq	DocScrutinizer05: yep, your advise was sound, I suspect freemangordon was in the source tree when he tried it.	09:34
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DocScrutinizer05	iluminator105: no idea about nemo. On maemo you got exatly two complementary backup tools: the genuine backup application and then backupmenu which you need to install from extras repository	09:38
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DocScrutinizer05	ideally you stor both backup archives to a uSD card	09:38
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iluminator105	what is dd the whole thing to an external drive would that work	09:39
iluminator105	what if i dd the whole thing to an external drive would that work	09:39
DocScrutinizer05	that's basically what backupmenu does, but in a way it actually works	09:39
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DocScrutinizer05	and no, dd will never work, unless you later do tricks like loopmounting the image. You can't restore dd raw images to NAND flash storage	09:41
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DocScrutinizer05	anyway may I congratulate to your new device and welcome you as a part of the maemo community? :-)	09:44
iluminator105	i thought backup application just backed up numbers and unique data?	09:45
DocScrutinizer05	yep, kinda	09:45
DocScrutinizer05	backupmenu is a different "app" though	09:46
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05, zeq: thanks, will try it next time I'm on it	09:47
iluminator105	hmm...i will hold up on upgrading this is my one phone...and i would be screwed if it didnt work	09:47
DocScrutinizer05	you should do that as soon as possible	09:48
iluminator105	why do you say that	09:49
iluminator105	ppp0 interconnect is security risk?	09:49
DocScrutinizer05	and since it's new (at least I assume you got it recently) there can't be much on the phone yet that needs backup	09:49
DocScrutinizer05	sorry I got no idea what's that ppp0	09:50
DocScrutinizer05	but that's exactly the point: you should start with a fresh and clean OS	09:50
iluminator105	not its not new i been using it for a while	09:50
DocScrutinizer05	then build your own "system" on that, so you have a clue what you did and what might have happened	09:51
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DocScrutinizer05	I might figure ppp0 interface is related to fmms, but that's mere handwaving	09:52
iluminator105	yea i do have fmms	09:53
DocScrutinizer05	since I never installed nor looked into sourcecode of fmms	09:53
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iluminator105	DocScrutinizer, we will talk later gotta go thanks man bye	09:54
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DocScrutinizer05	yw, see you later then	09:54
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DocScrutinizer05	and get backupmenu!	09:56
DocScrutinizer05	:-)	09:57
DocScrutinizer05	~bm	09:57
infobot	i heard backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975	09:57
StyXman	these people, is it that they forgot punctuatioon or they never knew it?	09:57
DocScrutinizer05	oooh, he used a comma ;-)	09:58
DocScrutinizer05	nah, that's been tab nick completion	09:58
DocScrutinizer05	aaah, he used...as punktuation	10:00
DocScrutinizer05	maybe punktuation rules are different in his native language ;-)	10:01
DocScrutinizer05	s/k/c/	10:01
infobot	DocScrutinizer05 meant: maybe punctuation rules are different in his native language ;-)	10:01
fasta	I installed FCamera and made some shots, but it looks absolutely terrible. If I look at it on my HD screen, I can even see the pixels very clearly. It is supposed to look sharp then and only when you zoom in you should see pixels.	10:01
fasta	I have a 10.6MB file, but still it looks very bad.	10:02
DocScrutinizer05	well, as long as you didn't use digital zoom of N900 too much when taking the shots, yes	10:02
fasta	DocScrutinizer05: can I see that in some property of the resulting FCamera file?	10:03
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DocScrutinizer05	I dunno if it's in exif, or if fcam stores exif at all	10:03
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DocScrutinizer05	anyway digital zoom basically is a hoax	10:04
fasta	DocScrutinizer05: FCam cannot even do digital zoom.	10:05
DocScrutinizer05	o.O	10:05
DocScrutinizer05	wut?	10:05
fasta	DocScrutinizer05: when I move the slider, my audio goes up/down.	10:05
DocScrutinizer05	hah	10:06
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fasta	DocScrutinizer05: isn't it possible to modify the normal camera application to just have a different jpeg compression?	10:06
DocScrutinizer05	very strange - though I rarely ever used fcam so can't really comment	10:06
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fizzie	IIRC (I don't have FCamera installed right now) it does have a zoom thing; it just doesn't do the bindings to the volume key, it's somewhere in the menus.	10:07
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fizzie	(Then again, it's not really useful, so.)	10:07
DocScrutinizer05	I think I heard of such option, even store raw images	10:07
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DocScrutinizer05	the photographers seem asleep still :-D	10:09
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freemangordon	fizzie:iirc it could be done, by modifying /etc/gdigicam/?.conf, though never tried it for stock camera-ui.	10:14
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zeq	freemangordon: Going to test my hopefully fixed zoom key enable code now. If you don't have time at the moment to work on the rotation code, could you paste the pertinent info so I can have a look, I lost my scrollback from irc.mozilla.org, when my battery went flat! :$	10:16
freemangordon	zeq: here you are "zeq: yep, see MozMGraphicsView resizeEvent, MozMSceneWindow CheckTopLevelSize, MozQGraphicsViewEvents, also check nsScreenQt::GetAvailRect in widget/qt/nsScreenQt.cpp, there are some hooks under MOZ_ENABLE_QTMOBILITY define (rotation related )"	10:17
zeq	freemangordon: thx:)	10:18
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zeq	freemangordon: The input handling in the qtwidget is quite complex, and clearly make assumptions which aren't compatible with the hildon input method. Shall we just #ifdef out most of that code and see what happens?	10:26
zeq	(I don't know if you tried using the keyboard in fennec, if you did, you'd see what I mean)	10:27
freemangordon	zeq: it works ok for me, the only glitch i saw is that VKB opens twice when you press address bar with phisical KB closed	10:28
freemangordon	*physical	10:28
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freemangordon	bbl	10:29
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zeq	freemangordon: ok, chat with you later	10:29
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Dr_I	hello community how is meamo today?	10:37
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Dr_I	maemo elter	10:38
zeq	merlin1991: Once I have finished Fennec, I'll look into getting sb-toolchain-extras to support modern GNU toolchains. After your prompting, I did look into it again, and I think you're right, it would be useful.	10:44
DocScrutinizer05	zeq: where you've hidden the last 2 years?	10:45
Dr_I	Fennec is ok tho My mae browser is best	10:45
Dr_I	no touch on the defactor	10:46
zeq	DocScrutinizer05: I've been fixing Gentoo bugs! :)	10:46
DocScrutinizer05	zeq: at least on my radar you appeared out of nowhere and did a rocket start into top ten of most active contributors :-D	10:46
DocScrutinizer05	much appreciated, I have to ask the MWKN guys who formerly did that "developer of the month" thing	10:47
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zeq	Actually, the last thing I was working on I had to put to one side for now. The radeon drm driver doesn't hot-unplug, I was trying to fix it...	10:47
zeq	This is much easier by comparison! :)	10:48
DocScrutinizer05	:-D	10:48
zeq	before that I was poking around the linux PCI code	10:48
DocScrutinizer05	no worries, we have some really hard stuff waiting for your attention ;-)	10:49
zeq	I bet!	10:49
zeq	I do sometimes take on things that I can't get my head around though :/	10:49
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zeq	You have to acknowledge you limits occasionaly ;)	10:50
zeq	s/you/your/	10:50
infobot	zeq meant: You have to acknowledge your limits occasionaly ;)	10:50
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zeq	I think what actually finally got me active here was my annoyance with Nokia finally reached breaking point, so I thought: "I'll show 'em" :D	10:53
DocScrutinizer05	:-D	10:54
zeq	Still lots of untapped potential the N900 :)	10:55
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DocScrutinizer05	yep	10:55
Dr_I	pure	10:56
Dr_I	the delight	10:56
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zeq	Got the zoom keys grabbed, did hope it would just zoom on the key events... no such luck :(	10:58
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freemangordon	zeq: we're still missing setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, true); for mozWidget put somwhere in the code	11:04
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zeq	I'm onto that, it logically should be with the zoom key grab anyway, right?	11:05
freemangordon	hmm, not sure, but basically this property should be set on the main window.	11:06
zeq	Same as the zoom key grab	11:06
zeq	which I've got working	11:06
zeq	except I can't find the code that maps the key events to zoom	11:06
freemangordon	great !!!	11:06
freemangordon	are there keyboard shortcuts?	11:07
zeq	I know it previously worked in the gtk version, so the code is there somewhere	11:07
zeq	they apparently map to F7 and F8	11:07
zeq	I know the grab succeeded :)	11:08
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phrearch	hello	11:08
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phrearch	is it possible to install openvpn on the n900 currently?	11:08
phrearch	i need my n900 to be an openvpn server	11:08
freemangordon	zeq: setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5NonComposited); is a must, that would speed up the thinks by 20-30%	11:08
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freemangordon	s/would/should/	11:09
infobot	freemangordon meant: zeq: setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5NonComposited); is a must, that should speed up the thinks by 20-30%	11:09
freemangordon	it must be done on the main application window	11:10
zeq	cool :)	11:10
zeq	I'll put it with the other code then	11:10
freemangordon	zeq: which code creates the main windoe?	11:10
freemangordon	I mean in which source file?	11:11
zeq	nsWindow.cpp nsWindow::Create	11:12
phrearch	anyone?	11:12
zeq	if (aInitData && aInitData->mWindowType == eWindowType_toplevel) {	11:12
zeq	since it actually creates all the windows, you need to check which it is	11:12
zeq	I've put in the autorotate and noncomposited	11:13
freemangordon	zeq: are you sure Qt(i.e. native) top window is created there? Hmm, ok.	11:13
DocScrutinizer05	phrearch: I recently heard sth about openvpn, alas I forgot details	11:13
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zeq	yes	11:13
DocScrutinizer05	I'm sure there's a client	11:13
phrearch	i need the server	11:14
DocScrutinizer05	ooops, vpn. Nope nevermind, I mixed that up	11:14
freemangordon	zeq: I seems like we need mListenForResizes set to true	11:14
phrearch	i can only find the openvpn applet in the repositories	11:15
phrearch	not sure if i missed one repos	11:15
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DocScrutinizer05	phrearch: tried packet interface	11:15
DocScrutinizer05	?	11:15
phrearch	No, whats that?	11:15
DocScrutinizer05	a webpage at maemo.org	11:16
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phrearch	not sure, whats it about?	11:17
freemangordon	zeq: you could try to change the default in nsWindow constructor	11:17
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DocScrutinizer	http://maemo.org/packages/	11:18
phrearch	weird, its supposed to be there	11:19
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phrearch	http://maemo.org/packages/view/openvpn/	11:19
zeq	building	11:19
zeq	ListenforResizes you mean?	11:20
phrearch	i have extras, extras-devel and extras-testing	11:20
zeq	set to enabled	11:20
zeq	?	11:20
phrearch	fremantle 1.2 ovi is disabled	11:21
Lantizia	Has anyone else picked up that ~/MyDocs/.images/40_stripes4.jpg is missing from all N900's ?	11:21
Lantizia	as is ~/MyDocs/.images/Stripes.desktop	11:22
zeq	freemangordon: can I clarify, are you saying you think ListenforResizes should be set for the top level widget?	11:22
peetah	phrearch: openvpn package is what you're looking for	11:23
phrearch	peetah, cant find it in the package manager	11:23
phrearch	L*	11:23
phrearch	:(	11:23
phrearch	ill try apt-cache search	11:23
DocScrutinizer05	use apt-cache search maybe	11:23
peetah	apt-cache search openvpn	11:23
DocScrutinizer05	:-)	11:23
zeq	freemangordon: make sure when you've made changes you use "make" on the top level obj-build tree before make deb, or else the changes don't get linked!	11:25
phrearch	ah its there	11:25
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vi__	fasta: If you are using non-cssu you can alter jpeg compression by changing the compression value in /etc/gdigicam/<someconfigfile.ini>	11:28
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vi__	However you have to switch the device to use software encoding.	11:29
vi__	By changing the word 'dspjpegenc'	11:29
vi__	to 'jpegenc'	11:29
vi__	Or something like that.	11:29
vi__	The quality for hardware jpeg encoder is harcoded in libgstdsp.so	11:30
zeq	freemangordon: zoom just started working!?!?	11:30
zeq	:D	11:30
zeq	I think perhaps it just doesn't work on the homescreen..?	11:30
vi__	Fortunatley if you update to cssu-testing you will get harmattan codecs and the hardcoded value has been set to the maximum.	11:31
DocScrutinizer05	bwahaha	11:31
DocScrutinizer05	# Set this to true to use the config from the file, and to false to	11:31
DocScrutinizer05	# use the values provided from the application.	11:31
DocScrutinizer05	useconfigfile=false	11:31
DocScrutinizer05	anyway:	11:32
DocScrutinizer05	[imageenc]	11:32
DocScrutinizer05	element=dspjpegenc	11:32
DocScrutinizer05	#quality=95	11:32
DocScrutinizer05	vi__: ++	11:32
DocScrutinizer05	fasta: there you are	11:33
phrearch	hm, sudo gainroot asks for a pw, when i login from ssh	11:35
DocScrutinizer05	lol	11:35
DocScrutinizer05	btw "root" is the preferred command to login as root	11:36
DocScrutinizer05	sudo gainroot is like su without "-"	11:36
phrearch	aha better	11:36
phrearch	i better not set a password for the root account should i?	11:36
DocScrutinizer05	you better should	11:36
DocScrutinizer05	also see:	11:37
phrearch	not sure whether the phone still starts then	11:37
DocScrutinizer05	~jrtools	11:37
infobot	jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	11:37
DocScrutinizer05	it will start, believe me	11:37
DocScrutinizer05	;-)	11:37
phrearch	ok thanks :)	11:37
freemangordon	zeq: great	11:37
DocScrutinizer05	I tweaked sudoers/10* so it properly asks for root password on login	11:37
DocScrutinizer05	works since > 1 year	11:38
phrearch	cool	11:38
DocScrutinizer05	of course it's basically incomplete, as there are still many loopholes	11:38
zeq	freemangordon: I'll push after I confirm the rotate and no-composite changes are working	11:38
freemangordon	zeq: Yes, I think mListenforResizes should be set for all of the windows, nto sure though, maybe we will need dome logs turned on before a definitive conclusion	11:39
freemangordon	zeq: ok	11:39
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zeq	since I've change build machine, the slowest part is installing the deb on the n900 ;)	11:40
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phrearch	hm, root gives me "user" is not in the sudoers file	11:40
phrearch	err, think ive set a passwd on the regular phone user?	11:42
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zeq	freemangordon: it's working	11:45
zeq	I'm going to push now	11:45
zeq	ok done	11:45
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vi__	DocScrutinizer05: Correct, also tell it to use config file :/. cheers buddy!	11:46
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freemangordon	zeq: rotation?	11:49
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zeq	it's enabled, I've not tried the listenforresizes change yet	11:51
zeq	h-d autorotate is enabled	11:51
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freemangordon	zeq: no, i mean is it working as it should. nvm, going to test it by myself	11:54
zeq	freemangordon: any idea what aNativeParent is?	11:54
freemangordon	lemme check the code	11:55
freemangordon	nsNativeWidget, typedef void* nsNativeWidget;	11:56
zeq	if it's true, listenforresizes gets enabled	11:57
freemangordon	hmm, parentQWidget = static_cast<MozQWidget*>(nativeParent);	11:58
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zeq	or if mListenForResizes is set in the aInitData passed to nsWindow::Create	11:59
freemangordon	it looks to me it is QWidget after all	11:59
freemangordon	yeah, I saw that code, thus my auestion	11:59
zeq	we need to check whether aNativeParent is true or not	12:00
freemangordon	or better put some qDebug dumping all those	12:00
zeq	yup	12:00
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zeq	I can't see a lot of code in there relating to MEEGOTOUCH	12:01
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zeq	mostly gesture support	12:01
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freemangordon	make in obj directory is as slow as dpkg-buildpackage -nc	12:08
freemangordon	:(	12:08
zeq	:(	12:08
zeq	you can test to see if your code compiles though in the subdir	12:08
zeq	but, yes linking etc does take a while	12:09
freemangordon	aah, yes, thanks for the hint	12:09
zeq	not sure about the non-composite option	12:09
freemangordon	why?	12:09
zeq	it is faster, but it seems it "forgets" what's scrolled off.. maybe it's just me and the site I tested...	12:10
zeq	it's quite image heavy	12:10
zeq	see how it works for you	12:10
zeq	it doesn't feel much different in speed to microb	12:10
zeq	different, but not really slower	12:11
freemangordon	I think it has nothing to do with non-composite option, that option is a hint to hildon-desktop, Qt knows nothing about it	12:11
zeq	ok :)	12:11
zeq	just the site then	12:11
zeq	it probably doesn't keep large images cached offscreen	12:12
freemangordon	or buggy QGraphicsWidget	12:12
freemangordon	yeah, there is another option fo caching, lemme find it	12:12
zeq	we need to be careful with memory though	12:13
freemangordon	sure :)	12:13
zeq	the behaviour I'm seeing is probably just the nature of the beast	12:13
freemangordon	but still I would prefer to have everything working before starting with the optimisations	12:13
freemangordon	i.e. rotation	12:14
zeq	what happens is when you scroll and there's a large image, the page blanks until the image is displayed	12:14
freemangordon	i think this is how it works	12:14
zeq	yeah	12:14
zeq	getting rotation going is definitely the priority :)	12:15
zeq	you need to test the keyboard properly too, you'll see what I mean	12:15
zeq	try to use any of the blue symbols except numbers	12:16
zeq	or try fn, <release>, number	12:16
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zeq	freemangordon: do you know what docshell is?	12:18
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zeq	I'm grepping the code for MEEGOTOUCH	12:18
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freemangordon	zeq: re keyboard: that should be pretty easy to be fixed, it should work oob, so we need to just bypass some code	12:21
zeq	freemangordon: yes, that was my thought	12:21
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zeq	freemangordon: need to add the Hildon style fullscreen toggle button too, at the moment it seems to be mapped to cursor up/down keys!	12:36
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freemangordon	zeq: do we need it non-fulscreen?	12:50
freemangordon	i'd rather disable that	12:50
Lava_Croft	force fennec fullscreen? :<	13:00
zeq	freemangordon: I don't mean "true" fullscreen, I was referring to on-screen widgets (url bar).	13:04
zeq	if you try cursor up/down, you'll see what I mean	13:04
zeq	generally in hildon apps, the semi-transparent hidden toggle is in the bottom right cornerer	13:04
zeq	s/cornerer/corner/	13:05
infobot	zeq meant: generally in hildon apps, the semi-transparent hidden toggle is in the bottom right corner	13:05
zeq	for this	13:05
zeq	there's sample code on the qt exammples site to enable this, it doesn't look hard to implement	13:06
zeq	clearly I'm typing too quickly :/	13:06
zeq	one thing at a time though. I'm trying an experiment: I've removed the coded to clear aNativeParent for top-level widget	13:08
freemangordon	zeq: which branch you put your commits to?	13:08
zeq	should be on master..?	13:09
zeq	is it not?	13:09
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zeq	I'll take a look	13:09
freemangordon	hmm, what is supposed to zoom?	13:09
freemangordon	volume keys?	13:09
zeq	yes	13:10
zeq	it works	13:10
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zeq	standard hildon funtionality :)	13:10
freemangordon	not here, lemme check on which commit is my HEAD	13:10
zeq	you need to be on a web page other than the start page	13:10
freemangordon	I didn't pull your commits, my bad	13:11
zeq	or perhaps there's a bug where you have to switch apps? hopefully not	13:11
zeq	ah	13:11
zeq	there's only one commit	13:11
zeq	I thought it would be okay, since they're all very localized	13:12
freemangordon	yep, pulled	13:12
freemangordon	now building	13:12
zeq	ok	13:12
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zeq	freemangordon: that didn't make a difference. It's odd, but I haven't see again the behaviour I saw the first time, when it tried to resize.	13:27
zeq	freemangordon: how do you get the deb to your device? I've set up a nfs export on the server of my scractchbox homedir	13:30
zeq	just click on the deb in filemanager	13:31
freemangordon	zeq: I am using qinscp	13:31
freemangordon	*winscp	13:31
freemangordon	and install it with dpkg	13:32
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zeq	freemangordon: I don't know if you saw last night, but I tested Stellarium with my qt neon build, it's gone from ~10fps to ~60fps	13:33
ZogG_lap1op	o_O	13:33
zeq	defintely worth it ;)	13:33
ZogG_lap1op	x6 is totally worth it	13:34
zeq	yup	13:34
freemangordon	i missed that part, but yeah, that's impressive	13:34
zeq	I explained my theory why in the scrollback	13:35
freemangordon	yeah, i saw something about gfx accelerator data starvation	13:35
zeq	yeah	13:35
zeq	I'm probably seeing higher performance from fennec with this qt build too	13:35
freemangordon	i can bet on that	13:36
freemangordon	do i need 4.6.3 to build it, or 4.6.2 will be enough?	13:36
zeq	not sure, 4.6.3 is probably better ;)	13:36
freemangordon	zeq: but the other stuff in the repo is 4.6.2	13:37
zeq	shouldn't matter	13:37
freemangordon	libstdc++ too ;)	13:37
zeq	still shouldn't matter	13:37
trx	which qt version is that?	13:37
freemangordon	4.7.4	13:37
zeq	symbols are versioned	13:37
trx	thats great	13:37
freemangordon	zeq: i will have to push a new libsdtc++ too	13:38
zeq	you can break libstdc++ only in one direction ;)	13:38
freemangordon	trx: 4.7.4 has been in CSSU for ages ;)	13:38
zeq	don't build any c++ apps against the linaro 4.7 yet ;)	13:38
zeq	we really don't want to have to carry compat c++ libs!	13:39
trx	freemangordon yeah i know, but qml was a bit slow, this would improve it, right?	13:39
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zeq	trx: quite possibly you'll see big performance increases	13:40
zeq	I strongly suspect there's going to be a lot less demand for overclocking	13:42
zeq	what will be even more fun is when we switch to linaro 4.7 with the NEON auto-vectorizer :D	13:43
zeq	LTO should help then too	13:44
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trx	LTO?	13:46
trx	what does that stand for?	13:46
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zeq	Link Time Optimization: it means the toolchian defers optimization until linking	13:48
zeq	it produces smaller more optimal code because it can identify optimiations across all units of the program	13:49
zeq	it was not really usable until gcc-4.7 though	13:50
trx	i didnt know that, that sounds good	13:51
trx	but does everything need to be recompiled, that qt links agains?	13:51
trx	against*	13:51
zeq	no	13:52
zeq	it's the same ABI	13:52
zeq	freemangordon: did the build work?	13:53
zeq	or are you changing toolchain and rebuilding qt?	13:54
freemangordon	zeq: zoom by volume keys works. And man, that is fast, even with my thumb-only Qt	13:54
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zeq	yeah, it's nice	13:54
freemangordon	zeq: not now	13:54
zeq	not far off from microb	13:54
freemangordon	yep	13:54
freemangordon	zeq: I will hold on toolchain change until 4.7	13:55
zeq	in fact I think microb is more responsive, but doesn't always redraw	13:55
zeq	ok, i'll keep my debs to myself for now then :)	13:55
zeq	fennec (except with the large image files I mentioned) always redraws as it scrolls	13:56
zeq	at least relative to microb	13:57
zeq	freemangordon: are you getting any resizing at all from rotation?	13:58
zeq	it doesn't seem to be getting triggered anymore	13:58
zeq	orientationChanged() I mean	13:59
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freemangordon	zeq: should be, didn't check though	14:03
freemangordon	anyway, i a going to put some qDebug() in a couple of functions	14:03
freemangordon	*I am	14:03
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zeq	freemangordon, I've an idea: I'm going to modifiy the OnResizeEvent handler and drop the code into orientationChanged()	14:12
zeq	I just need to read the new width and height, is that available through QApplication::desktop()?	14:14
zeq	actually I have an even better idea	14:15
zeq	can't we just call OnResizeEvent() as the handler after passing the right thing to aEvent?	14:16
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zeq	do we have an object with the right structure?	14:17
zeq	if not we can wrap it	14:18
zeq	tell me if I'm talking nonsense, I suspect I might be ;)	14:19
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zeq	nvm about the above, I was just thinking out loud	14:52
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zeq	freemangordon: resize is working	15:09
zeq	In the end I just set mListenForResizes unconditionally true for Maemo, and with the code you added before, it just works.	15:11
zeq	:D	15:11
zeq	or it did... ?	15:12
zeq	now it's stopped :(	15:12
zeq	wtf?	15:12
zeq	I rotated a couple of times and it worked, just did it again and it didn't :(	15:13
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ZogG_lap1op	btw yesterday there was talk about games and frameworks, cocos2d-x is avilable for harmattan =)	15:14
zeq	freemangordon: it sometimes works, and when it does, it does so correctly.	15:17
zeq	other times, it's like it's not receiving the signal	15:17
zeq	perhaps there's a race condition?	15:17
zeq	theory:	15:18
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zeq	you get the geomety from the QApplication::Desktop class, could it be the root window doesn't resize before the signal is processed?	15:19
zeq	s/geomety/geometry/	15:20
infobot	zeq meant: you get the geometry from the QApplication::Desktop class, could it be the root window doesn't resize before the signal is processed?	15:20
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zeq	freemangordon: I seem to have fixed it.	15:58
zeq	I used availableGeometry() for the default screen rather then screenGeometry()	15:59
zeq	I pushed the code.	16:05
zeq	However, it's not quite perfect. Rotation works, but I think there's a problem with forcing all widgets to mListenForResizes...	16:06
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zeq	freemangordon: looks like I've got it. I noticed an inconsistency between the code and comments for resize events (see commit). Once fixed, it works without the force all hack.	17:10
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zeq	freemangordon: just noticed there's still a slight bug, but I'm going to have to leave it to you get a chance, I'm out of time.	17:11
zeq	when it resizes to portriat, the height geometry is slightly off. I guess availableGeometry() isn't returning quite the full screen. :(	17:12
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zeq	it's soooo close	17:13
zeq	anybody else out there with some experience with qt-maemo rotation code?	17:13
zeq	patches welcome :)	17:14
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jon-kha	Estel_ have you received your raspberry pi?	17:17
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freemangordon	zeq: great job man, sorry i was afk, had to do my real job for a while :). When I am back home I will pull/check your commits.	17:54
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zeq1	freemangordon, TODO: 1. fix vertical geometry in landscape. 2. remove incompatible key input code. 3. implement fullscreen exit button (I'll do this)	18:00
zeq1	s/landscape/portrait/	18:00
zeq1	then it's probably about done...?	18:00
infobot	zeq1 meant: freemangordon, TODO: 1. fix vertical geometry in portrait. 2. remove incompatible key input code. 3. implement fullscreen exit button (I'll do this)	18:00
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freemangordon	zeq1: ok	18:03
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KotCzarny	hi	18:03
KotCzarny	i need an iptables/tc magician	18:04
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Raimu	I was wondering over the last-night Dealextreme tetronimo ice cube link that nobody owns the rights to Tetris so nobody could ever sue, but then I had to check.	18:08
DocScrutinizer06	ShadowJK: what's up with the package?	18:09
Raimu	Pajitnov actually has the rights now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tetris_Company Good for him!	18:09
Raimu	Then again, I do think it's a bit pissy of them to ever sue over something that's more or less a de facto public domain thing now.	18:09
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ShadowJK	DocScrutinizer; haven't checked	18:18
ShadowJK	sec	18:19
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ShadowJK	Seems like it arrived at the local grocery store / post office yesterday. I've probably got a notice of it waiting at home. I leave for work before mail arrives, and get off work after post is closed, so I guess tomorrow I can fetch it	18:24
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DocScrutinizer51	ShadowJK: good	18:26
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DocScrutinizer51	ShadowJK: I had 2 roaming events so got only two of your posts if there've been more	18:28
DocScrutinizer51	"sec" and "seems..."	18:29
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DocScrutinizer51	ShadowJK: my friend who sent the package already got impatiant. I asked her to send package with insurence, but she picked letter with receipt acknowledge	18:33
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Pali	DocScrutinizer: hi, you wanted to backup maemo repositories, see: http://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror	18:46
ShadowJK	heh, why did she get impatient?	18:47
DocScrutinizer51	PALI! :-)) long time no see!	18:47
Pali	freemangordon, problem with cbs widget can be fixed if we move widget library to package which has same name as package where is original nokia widget	18:48
Pali	then custom-operator-*** packages can use dpkg-divert to move original widget library	18:48
Pali	DocScrutinizer51, long time? only more exams in school...	18:49
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Pali	DocScrutinizer51, for apt-mirror on downloads.mameo.nokia.com you need old wget version in system (< 1.10.2) or patch apt-mirror to add wget argument --auth-no-challenge to force http authentification	18:51
Pali	bug is reported on launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-mirror/+bug/1015131	18:52
DocScrutinizer51	:nod: many thanks	18:52
Pali	with patch https://launchpadlibrarian.net/107965097/apt-mirror-https.patch	18:52
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DocScrutinizer51	Pali: all fine with your exams?	18:56
Pali	no :-(	18:56
Pali	continue in september	18:56
DocScrutinizer51	damn!	18:57
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merlin1991	Pali: I tried your ham with Tmaemo4 and got this: http://cdnm.at/~christian/maemo/cssu/ham-errors.log	19:16
Pali	merlin1991, maybe missing apt gpg key?	19:16
Pali	I will look into source code	19:17
freemangordon	Pali: :(	19:17
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Pali	shit, in HAM is some code for APT domain trust level	19:19
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Pali	anybody know what it is?	19:19
merlin1991	no idea, but it seems you broke parts of that :D	19:19
SpeedEvil	angry birds?	19:19
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Pali	merlin1991, no. that error comes from apt-worker and now I looked into git history and in apt-worker was only cosmetic changes (like removed code for 5% free space)	19:22
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merlin1991	Pali: well when I revert to the cssu ham I don't get the errors and I get the update	19:22
Pali	merlin1991, I think that problem is with gpg keys	19:23
merlin1991	how so?	19:23
merlin1991	if I update the ham package to yours it fails, if I downgrade to cssu version it runs fine	19:23
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Pali	version from repository.maemo.org cssu is gpg signed in apt cache and public key is imported into system by cssu-enabler	19:24
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merlin1991	that doesn't explain why one version likes it and the other doesn't	19:24
merlin1991	the upgrade worked fine with the ham we currently have in cssu, only when I compile the current master and install it I get the errors	19:25
Pali	maybe your installed ham was not from repo with public gpg key in system	19:25
freemangordon	zeq1: why did you change screenGeometry to availableGeometry in MozQWidget::orientationChanged()	19:25
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Pali	merlin1991, ok, HAM has code which set for every domain if is signed. and if package is from unsigned domain it is ignored	19:27
Pali	merlin1991, should disable & remove that code?	19:27
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merlin1991	Pali: no, I'd like it to work as it did	19:29
Pali	in HAM changelog is: Ignore packages from the wrong domain. (N85305)	19:29
Pali	I'd like to know what is "wrong domain" and how can be package marked at it	19:30
merlin1991	Pali: all I can say, I started the cssu version of ham (1:2.2.72-5) let it update the repo cache and waited for it to show the cssu update	19:31
merlin1991	then I installed a build of current master on gitorious and did the same	19:31
merlin1991	with the new ham it didn't show the cssu update and had the errors in the log	19:31
Pali	N85305 is maybe bug number from nokia private bugzilla... anybody know more about it?	19:31
zeq	freemangordon: For some reason screenGeometry wasn't getting the new geometry.	19:31
Pali	merlin1991, when will be new CSSU update I will try to debug it	19:31
merlin1991	should be in a week or two	19:32
zeq	I don't know if it's just a race, and that it takes longer to get availableGeometry?	19:32
zeq	maybe we just need some synchronization?	19:32
zeq	it could be availableGeometry isn't giving the full height for some unknown reason...?	19:33
Pali	The Application manager remembers for each package the 'domain' where it was installed from originally. Updates to a package that come fromanother domain are rejected.	19:33
Pali	Right now, the Application manager fails installations that have one or more of these domain violations. Instead, it should just ignore packages from a wrong domain. This will get rid of the most hard core error message of the AM.	19:33
Pali	do we really need it? ^^^	19:34
zeq	I suspected a race since it sometimes worked, just occasionally.	19:34
merlin1991	I don't know, but I'd like to know how this got broken by your 8 commits	19:34
freemangordon	zeq: how that could be, screen geometry should be correct all the times	19:34
freemangordon	hmm	19:34
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zeq	key word there is should	19:35
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freemangordon	:)	19:36
zeq	does the resize signal get sent before or after the resize? is it synchronised?	19:36
freemangordon	i've never seen it failing, I have several Qt project which rotate and never ever have the problem with it	19:36
zeq	s/syncronised/synchronous/	19:36
freemangordon	yes, it is sent after rotation	19:36
zeq	I can't explain it	19:37
freemangordon	maybe availableGeometry is used in other places	19:37
Pali	merlin1991, I have no idea which commit broke that... I think that problem appeared that you installed HAM not from signed repo	19:38
zeq	I thought it should be the same. According to the docs avaialable geometry takes into account docks and the like	19:38
zeq	but we shouldn't have anything like that	19:38
Pali	but from local deb package	19:38
merlin1991	Pali: I'll try to compile current cssu and install from local deb	19:39
freemangordon	zeq: but actually you are correct, it is availablegeometry that have to be used if we are not fulscreen	19:39
merlin1991	let's see what that does	19:39
Pali	ok	19:39
Pali	do not forget to reboot device after HAM is updated	19:39
merlin1991	:D	19:39
Pali	apt sometimes is not killed and run old version	19:39
Pali	also ham	19:39
Pali	*apt-worker	19:39
merlin1991	Pali: yea, I know	19:40
freemangordon	:D	19:40
freemangordon	Pali: welcome back, sorry for your exams	19:40
zeq	hi Pali	19:40
Pali	I will continue in september...	19:41
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zeq	freemangordon: still doesn't explain why the height is off when portrait	19:41
freemangordon	yeah, it happens from time to time	19:41
freemangordon	zeq: let me see it first	19:41
zeq	are you building it now?	19:41
freemangordon	yep	19:41
zeq	ok :)	19:42
freemangordon	btw int screen = -1; //Default screen is not needed, I will clean it up	19:42
freemangordon	(already did)	19:42
zeq	sure, I was just trying to be certain	19:42
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freemangordon	it is "const QRectavailableGeometry ( int screen = -1 ) const"	19:43
freemangordon	well, i just noticed it	19:43
freemangordon	np at all	19:43
zeq	I wish the mozilla code actually tracked separate screens/displays properly	19:44
freemangordon	Pali: shit happens, but where all the fun being a student will go otherwise	19:44
zeq	not that it affects Maemo	19:44
freemangordon	zeq: it seems you've fixed an upstream bug	19:44
zeq	yup	19:44
freemangordon	I wonder if that would not render 90% of maemo6 code useless	19:44
zeq	LOL	19:45
zeq	possibly	19:45
freemangordon	yep, because it hacks rotation by using a transformation matrix	19:45
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freemangordon	i.e. uses GL to rotate and resize AIUI	19:45
freemangordon	(or pixman)	19:46
freemangordon	I think that bug is the reason for the erratic behaviour under maemo6 merlin1991 reported	19:46
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freemangordon	zeq: maybe we should make romaxa aware of that	19:48
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zeq1	freemangordon: It wouldn't hurt :)	19:51
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Pali	merlin1991, see: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler/blobs/master/debian/postinst#line40	19:54
Pali	cssu enabler turning off ignoring packages from wrong domain	19:55
Pali	merlin1991, I think that is should be disabled directly in ham code too	19:55
merlin1991	Pali: I'll investigate :)	19:55
Pali	who is author of that script?	19:55
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freemangordon	zeq1: on the other hand: what I should add to Qt configure for neon support?	19:59
zeq1	-mfpu=neon :)	19:59
zeq1	mkspecs/linux-g++-maemo5/qmake.conf	20:00
zeq1	I think from memory	20:00
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freemangordon	zeq1: hmm, you said Qt uses intrinstics	20:02
zeq1	it does	20:03
zeq1	that still requires -mfpu=neon	20:03
zeq1	that just makes neon instructions available	20:03
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freemangordon	zeq1: BTW I think the best is to use screengeometry if we are fullscreen and availablegeometry if not. And I still don;t kile the idea for non-fullcreen fennec, non-compusite works for full-screen only	20:04
freemangordon	s/kile/like/	20:04
infobot	freemangordon meant: zeq1: BTW I think the best is to use screengeometry if we are fullscreen and availablegeometry if not. And I still don;t like the idea for non-fullcreen fennec, non-compusite works for full-screen only	20:04
freemangordon	what we have now with availablegeometry is non-fulscreen size :D	20:05
zeq1	ok	20:05
freemangordon	what a noise on #mobile :D:D:D	20:05
freemangordon	ok as in?	20:05
zeq1	Really I mean toggle chrome	20:05
zeq1	rather than fullscreen	20:06
zeq1	I should be more specific	20:06
zeq1	url-bar toggle if you like	20:06
freemangordon	aah, you mean to make it appear like when started in portrait?	20:06
freemangordon	ok, then it is still fullscreen, ain't?	20:07
zeq1	technically	20:07
freemangordon	ok	20:07
zeq1	a	20:07
zeq1	as far as the wm is concerned	20:08
zeq1	it doesn't make sense to have the h-d top bar	20:08
freemangordon	yep	20:08
zeq1	title-bar even	20:08
zeq1	forgot what it was called for a moment :)	20:09
zeq1	I agree about #mobile, it's worse than here for chatter ;)	20:09
freemangordon	BTW did you see what UI liiks like you you start it when the device is in portrait?	20:10
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zeq1	I'll check	20:10
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zeq1	it seems the same...?	20:11
zeq1	what am I missing?	20:11
freemangordon	do you have forcedrotation in?	20:12
freemangordon	*on	20:12
zeq1	no.	20:12
freemangordon	enable it and you'll see	20:12
zeq1	it appears in portrait	20:12
zeq1	but it looks fine	20:12
freemangordon	i know. but starts in landscape	20:12
zeq1	ok	20:12
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zeq1	not here..??	20:13
freemangordon	while with FR on it starts in portrait	20:13
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freemangordon	zeq1:what? I think you overestimate my English skills :D	20:14
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zeq1	I'm going to try FR	20:14
freemangordon	ok	20:15
zeq1	that's weird	20:16
zeq1	fine without forced rotation	20:16
zeq1	honestly :D	20:16
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zeq1	is that a bug or not?	20:16
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freemangordon	which one?	20:17
zeq1	the layout being broken with FR	20:17
freemangordon	it is not broken, just different	20:17
freemangordon	see what you have in upper-left corner?	20:17
zeq1	interesting	20:19
freemangordon	yep	20:19
freemangordon	now we only need to find how to switch between layouts :D	20:19
zeq1	tablet mode?	20:19
zeq1	it's kinda ugly though	20:20
zeq1	too cluttered	20:20
freemangordon	yeah, but you have a functionality like "print page"	20:21
zeq1	I wonder if that's how it looks on my laptop...	20:21
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freemangordon	NFC	20:22
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zeq	freemangordon: see comment: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Get_screen_coordinates_in_Qt	20:40
freemangordon	zeq: yeah :(, seems like a Qt bug	20:42
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freemangordon	I'll put a qDebug() to check what screenGeometry returns	20:43
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zeq	there's probably a patch	20:43
freemangordon	:nod:	20:43
zeq	I'll have a look in the debian qt package	20:43
freemangordon	i'll ask goolge	20:43
zeq	or you could do that :0	20:43
zeq	:)	20:43
Pali	merlin1991, now I see where can be problem: community-devel (&thumb too) does not have GPG signature in apt-repo. and if apt-worked was not patched or started with that flag which disable "domain checking" HAM refused to update packages from "trusting domain"	20:44
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merlin1991	Pali: I had neither community-devel nor thumb installed	20:44
merlin1991	only community-testing + self built deb	20:45
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Pali	self deb could be problem too	20:45
Pali	but I will create some patches for enabler package	20:45
Pali	and I want to add also thumb & devel to "trusting"	20:46
Pali	but first is needed to sign apt repository	20:46
Pali	merlin1991, it is problem if you sign thumb & devel repository?	20:46
merlin1991	not that big of a problem	20:47
Pali	merlin1991, ok when you sign repo, upload somewhere public gpg key	20:49
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zeq	http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/qt4-x11/4:4.7.4-2	20:51
freemangordon	zeq: we can just workarund that by either adding HD_COMP_MGR_TOP_MARGIN to AG or by hardcoding the size	20:52
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zeq	shouldn't we fix the bug though if we can?	20:53
zeq	CSSU material..?	20:54
freemangordon	yep, it is in CSSU	20:54
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zeq	the fix is already in?	20:54
freemangordon	obviously no	20:54
zeq	what qt version are we?	20:55
freemangordon	anyway, let my build finnish, so I can check what screenGeometry retyrns	20:56
freemangordon	4.7.4	20:56
freemangordon	the one in CSSU	20:56
freemangordon	(with some thumb patches)	20:56
zeq	I can't see anything in that patch list	20:58
freemangordon	me too, it seems it is not a problem with Qt	20:59
zeq	?	20:59
freemangordon	As I am sure screenGeometry returns correct data	21:00
freemangordon	i.e. 800x480	21:00
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freemangordon	and 480x800 for portrait	21:00
zeq	so what's going wrong, and why does availableGeometry "fix" it?	21:01
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zeq	confused :S	21:02
zeq	maybe it's okay now I fixed that bug/	21:02
zeq	?	21:02
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freemangordon	zeq: it could be that 800x480 is too much, don't know	21:03
zeq	bounds?	21:03
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freemangordon	i.e it might expect something like 799x479	21:03
freemangordon	yep	21:03
zeq	they are separate to size	21:03
freemangordon	setSceneRect expects rectangle, not size	21:04
zeq	yeah	21:04
freemangordon	it could be that	21:04
zeq	window border?	21:04
zeq	going to look at the code	21:05
freemangordon	yeah, and we are passing 0,0,800,480 , which could be seen as 801x481 (size)	21:05
freemangordon	just a wild guess	21:05
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RiD	a wild ratata appeared	21:06
zeq	ConstrainPosition	21:06
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ThreeM	Sc0rpius ?	21:08
Sc0rpius	yeah	21:09
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zeq	freemangordon: maybe we need to substract mBounds from the rect?	21:10
ThreeM	ahh today i have luck :)	21:11
ThreeM	i dont want something from you, today i have something to offer :)	21:11
ThreeM	i have often problems with download yapaari from the webhosting serives you use to upload the newest version. what about to have fee webspace + ftp account for you to post direkt dl links for the community?	21:12
freemangordon	zeq: maybe we should move it to 0,0	21:13
zeq	freemangordon: give it a go	21:13
freemangordon	look at maemo6 code, it does f (orientation == 0 \|\| orientation == 180) {	21:13
freemangordon	setPos(0,0);	21:13
freemangordon	etc...	21:13
zeq	I thought that was just because it was rotating..? but maybe you're right	21:13
freemangordon	I thought the same	21:14
freemangordon	ok, .deb is built, lemme report what screengeometry returns	21:14
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zeq	ok	21:15
ThreeM	i can offer that for you for free if you want. im not a developer and have not much time to do bugtesting and reporting but will do something for the community.	21:16
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freemangordon	zeq: portrait -> QRect(0,0 480x800) landscape -> QRect(0,0 800x480)	21:18
freemangordon	so that is ok	21:19
zeq	that's a relief I guess	21:19
zeq	otherwise it would be really weird	21:20
freemangordon	I am going to substract 1 from size	21:20
freemangordon	yep	21:20
zeq	what about the mBounds values?	21:20
zeq	wouldn't 2 be better?	21:20
zeq	otherwise you'll have an odd number	21:20
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zeq	1 from each edge	21:21
zeq	freemangordon: setpos obviously isn't goinig to do anything ^^	21:21
freemangordon	aah, yes, see GetScreenBounds	21:21
zeq	indeed	21:22
zeq	I was building with setpos, but I see no point	21:22
zeq	^C	21:22
freemangordon	zeq: but look wgat OnResizeEvent is doing	21:23
freemangordon	mBounds.width = rect.width;	21:23
freemangordon	mBounds.height = rect.height;	21:23
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freemangordon	zeq: my point substraction one is the it maght be not width and height, but coordinates	21:26
freemangordon	*to substract one	21:26
freemangordon	then we are getting out of the screen by passing 800x480	21:27
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zeq	freemangordon: I'm just saying by subtracting one it won't be centred	21:28
zeq	oh I see....	21:28
zeq	nvm	21:28
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freemangordon	;)	21:29
freemangordon	zeq: going to try it	21:31
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freemangordon	zeq: so, you're telling me that by simply adding -mneon to mkspec when building Qt you incread fps by 50 for stellarium?	21:43
zeq	-mfpu=neon	21:45
freemangordon	yeah, whatever the switch is	21:46
zeq	Why does it surpise you?	21:46
zeq	the NEON intrinsics are used for matrix ops	21:46
freemangordon	I am not surprised, just want a confirmation	21:46
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zeq	anyway, yes, stellarium runs smoothly now	21:47
zeq	:)	21:47
zeq	it used to be "usable"	21:47
freemangordon	i'll try to build Qt in that way later, and will push it in thumb repo if it is ok	21:47
freemangordon	ok, .deb built, lets see	21:48
kerio	ok, i'm about to buy another n900 i think	21:48
kerio	how much would you guys pay for one with a broken (but still fixable) usb port?	21:48
zeq	freemangordon: fingers crossed	21:48
freemangordon	:)	21:48
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freemangordon	zeq: no joy :(	21:52
zeq	:(	21:52
zeq	romaxa?	21:52
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freemangordon	zeq: he seems offline	21:53
kerio	actually, i'll rephrase my question	21:54
freemangordon	I wonder why AG works every time	21:54
kerio	would you buy a n900 with a broken (but still fixable) usb port?	21:54
kerio	Estel_: especially you	21:54
zeq	freemangordon: there must be something we're missing	21:55
freemangordon	zeq: going to try one more thing and I am done for now.	21:55
zeq	something to do with the bounds checking.	21:55
freemangordon	that is for sure	21:56
freemangordon	but if bounds are not set correctly why then AG works	21:56
zeq	luck	21:56
Sicelo	poor kerio :)	21:57
freemangordon	hmm, HD_COMP_MGR_TOP_MARGIN is 56px	21:57
Sicelo	i guess answer is generally a Yes here	21:57
zeq	ok	21:57
Sicelo	obviously, it's your money on the line .. so choose carefully	21:58
zeq	so subtract that from height with screenGeometry() and see if it still works?	21:58
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skope	anyone has idea where to get memory card holder to my n900? forums had link to farnell, but afaik they don't sell withtout company id	21:59
freemangordon	zeq: almost there, i am substracting 1	21:59
zeq	freemangordon: I thought you did that already?	21:59
freemangordon	only for setSceneRect, but not for resize	22:00
freemangordon	hmm, maemo6 code gets the sy with scene()->views()[0]->rect()	22:01
freemangordon	*the size	22:01
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zeq	so we could just be doing it wrong	22:02
freemangordon	yep	22:02
freemangordon	maybe we need to swap width/height of the above view	22:02
freemangordon	i.e. rect	22:02
zeq	let me know what you are trying... I'm trying to figure it out	22:03
kerio	N900 get!	22:03
kerio	woo	22:03
freemangordon	zeq: could you try QRect screenGeometry = scene()->views()[0]->rect();swap_w_h(screenGeometry);	22:05
zeq	ok	22:05
freemangordon	instead of QRect screenGeometry = QApplication::desktop()->screenGeometry();	22:05
freemangordon	leave the remaning code intact	22:05
kerio	132€ + shipment, is that a good price?	22:05
kerio	bought on 2010-09-24, so it's actually still under warranty	22:05
chem\|st	kerio: if it is with 12month warranty	22:05
kerio	chem\|st: from a private	22:06
chem\|st	my sister bought one 4 weeks ago for 140eur with 12month warranty	22:06
kerio	chem\|st: and the EU has sane consumer protection, so it's two years from the manufacturer	22:06
zeq	ok	22:06
chem\|st	those private should go by 90-110eurs	22:06
kerio	chem\|st: meh	22:06
kerio	if i wanted to buy globally, maybe	22:06
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kerio	this is in italy, with one-day shipment	22:07
chem\|st	kerio: shops can give them too	22:07
GeneralAntilles	So, when do we think the Project Glass hardware will be commodity?	22:08
zeq	'swap_w_h' was not declared in this scope	22:08
zeq	to I need to add an include?	22:09
freemangordon	zeq: you need to write it :D	22:09
zeq	ah, ok	22:09
freemangordon	something like screenGeometry=QRect(0,0,screenGeometry.height().screenGeometry.width());	22:10
Pali	FAIL, why is fremantle community-testing repo signed by diablo key??	22:10
Pali	files: http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/dists/fremantle/Release http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/dists/fremantle/Release.gpg	22:10
Pali	gpg key: "maemo.org community repositories (diablo) <repositories@maemo.org>"	22:10
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Pali	freemangordon, merlin1991, see ^^^^	22:11
freemangordon	Pali: ping X-Fade	22:11
Pali	X-Fade, look at this problem ^^^^^	22:11
freemangordon	Pali: or better PM him and make a post on TMO thread for "infrastructure problems"	22:12
Pali	Now I'm going to write bug report	22:13
freemangordon	also I think the council should be aware of that	22:13
freemangordon	yep	22:13
freemangordon	sounds sane	22:13
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chem\|st	kerio: was just loking for a used one for me and it seems like 140eur is just fine...	22:19
kerio	:D	22:19
* kerio is happy		22:19
kerio	so	22:19
kerio	does anyone want a n900 with a broken usb port?	22:20
Pali	bug reported: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12632	22:20
povbot_	Bug 12632: Fremantle CSSU testing apt repository is signed by diablo gpg key	22:20
freemangordon	thanks	22:20
Atarii	kerio how much?	22:21
kerio	Atarii: you tell me	22:22
kerio	idk	22:22
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kerio	anyway, is ~usbfix also about preventing damage to the usb port?	22:27
chem\|st	kerio: sure...	22:27
kerio	is there an easy way to do that?	22:28
chem\|st	ehrm for the one with broken usb	22:28
kerio	no, i'm talking about the new one	22:28
chem\|st	prevention? I have my device like 28month now and havent done any hardware mod	22:29
zeq	freemangordon: nearly built...	22:30
Woody14619	kerio: One thing I suggest is you file down the "teeth" on the USB cables you use and on the power addapter. I did that day 1, and >30 months later not a single issue..	22:30
DocScrutinizer06	kerio: I bought a used one in working condition for 120€, in a 2nd hand phone shop nearby	22:31
freemangordon	zeq: no join again and i have to stop for now. report if that fixes the issue. btw romaxa appeared on #mobile	22:31
DocScrutinizer06	ooh, and I've seen a N810 today, for "just" 190EUR ;-P	22:31
zeq	did you ask romaxa?	22:31
freemangordon	and I repost my post	22:31
freemangordon	yep	22:32
freemangordon	still no answer	22:32
zeq	what about our current issue?	22:32
freemangordon	didn't ask him	22:32
zeq	ok	22:32
skope	quess /n	22:32
skope	meh	22:32
freemangordon	zeq: bbl	22:32
chem\|st	kerio: sry there was a hardware mod... I fixed the backpanel as its holding nose broke^^	22:33
zeq	ok, see you later freemangordon	22:33
chem\|st	can we have the mailinglist reject html mail some way?	22:38
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zeq	freemangordon: I thought that would work... but no	22:42
zeq	alsa	22:43
zeq	s/alsa/alas/	22:43
infobot	zeq meant: alas	22:43
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zeq	I tried using availableGeometry + 56 for height and it works :S	23:11
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zeq	it worked once, then didn't... I'm going to try one more thing, then I'm going to bed, I'm getting really tired :(	23:35
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kerio	so... nobody is interested in my awesome broken n900? :(	23:38
rzr	how broken	23:41
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Estel_	jon-kha, unfortunately, not yet	23:44
Estel_	Farnell pissed me off totally, those idiots charged 20 pounds for shipping, and don't even have tracking id!	23:45
Estel_	when i protested, they said that their "point 7" says that they can ship with anything they like	23:45
Estel_	of course its bullshit, and not legal in EU, and Poland especialluy	23:45
Estel_	anyway, if it's not going to arrive in 3 weeks, i;ll create them such flamestorm, that even post-Ca mess will be like flowers scent with love in the air	23:46
Estel_	zeq, I don'tknow who you are, but I like You :D	23:46
Estel_	it's strange, I don't remember You from past months, yet, from few weeks, You contribute very much. It's refreshing to see such whirlwind of development :)	23:46
Estel_	kerio, sure, I can buy broken N900 - for 30 dollars :P	23:46
Estel_	repairing broken USb port is such PITA, that, despite my lvoe for device, i even stopped doing it for others, cause price for this pain would be like new N900	23:47
Estel_	it's probably due to lack of absolutely proper tools	23:47
Estel_	sure, if I would had Infra-red soldering station, it would be pleasure	23:47
Estel_	doing it by hand is absolute pita	23:47
Estel_	I switched to reinforce'ing ports only	23:48
zeq	Estel_: I'm energies were focused elsewhere. I've had an N900 since the early days, and always meant to set up the SDK and contribute, but I was always busy doing something else.	23:48
Estel_	workingones	23:48
Estel_	zeq, :) I though that I saw your nick, but wasn't aware. Well, it's nice to have You on board	23:48
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zeq	Estel_: I've been keeping an eye on #maemo a while ;)	23:49
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zeq	thanks for the welcome Estel_	23:50
zeq	:)	23:50
Estel_	freemangordon, I have strange issues re Hd video recoridng on my CSSU-T (not thumb yetr) device	23:51
Estel_	everytime i start recording, record something, and end...	23:51
Estel_	camera-ui2 hangs on same moment when i stop recording	23:51
Estel_	not dies, jsut hangs	23:51
Estel_	i can go to taskbar, do other things, but camera-ui is hanged, with still image of situation, where i pressed "stop" button	23:51
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Estel_	I've waited for up to 15 mintues for 1 minute long movie, tried few times, i'm sure it's really hanged. everytime need to kill it from within maemo, and, of course, movies recorder are damaged	23:52
Estel_	(not finalized)	23:52
Estel_	any way I could provide some debug info?	23:52
Estel_	sp-rich-core seems not related, as it doesn't die (on it's own)	23:52
DocScrutinizer06	check syslog	23:54
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Estel_	i got syslogd installed, where it saves logs?	23:54
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jon-kha	Estel_ I got mine today, but it does not work anymore :/ I left it to my desk for few hours with power on and when I returned I noticed that there was something wrong with my terminal and tried to reboot it without success, i had to remove power plug and now it does not boot, it only shows red light. Tested it with two SD cards	23:57
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Estel_	jon-kha, huh... no idea, is there any way to "flash" it?;)	23:57
DocScrutinizer06	/var/log/syslog	23:57
Estel_	oh. thanks.	23:57
Estel_	jon-kha, tried searching raspberry pi forums?	23:58
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louisdk	Hi :)	23:58
DocScrutinizer06	jon-kha: sounds like your battery is broken	23:58
zeq	freemangordon: My one more thing turned into two. It occurred to me, we aren't really running fullscreen, but maximized...	23:59
DocScrutinizer06	ooh, you're not talking about N900	23:59
jon-kha	I followed elinux's troubleshooting guide without success. Nobody in #raspberrypi was not able to help, they also thought that it is hardware problem.	23:59

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