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ShadowJKDoes kernel pass on to userspace before wd?00:07
ShadowJKif so, userspace is failing to poke wd00:08
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FIQ|n900hmm03:44
FIQ|n900I installed curl to use sprung.us as terminal pastebin of stdout, but when I tried, I just get "curl: relocation error: curl: symbol curl_dostrdup, version CURL_OPENSSL_3 not defined in file libcurl.so.4 with link time reference", why?03:45
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iluminator101i am repairing an n9 where do i download a standard factory image to reset it08:05
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Sazpaimon_can something be done about that whatsapp thread on TMO08:16
Sazpaimon_like, locking it or hell, even deleting it08:16
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udovdhhmm11:02
udovdhafter I flashed my n810 with nokia image11:02
udovdhwhat howto can I follow to get ethernet via usb working asap? (sd card swapping is not so nice)11:03
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udovdhok usb networking is up12:10
udovdhnow how to convince n810 to use it?12:10
udovdhconnection manager does not see dummy IAP12:10
psycho_oreosnot that I own N810, but you might be missing a package that you'll need to install.. something to do with icd? and specifically either null or dummy?12:14
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udovdhwell, I did `gconftool -s -t string /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/DUMMY/type DUMMY `12:36
udovdhbut no dummy accesspoint12:37
udovdhon the terminal command prompt networking works well12:37
udovdhbut I guess I need some .install files for the nice repositories12:37
udovdhthen I could get ssh12:37
udovdhand stuff would be easier...12:37
psycho_oreoswith N900 I had to install iap/icd null/dummy before I ran that similar sort of string. I'm guessing you'd need to do that as well before iap/icd can take advantage of that12:39
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psycho_oreosIn my case with N900 ssh was available through the usual maemo.org extras repository. I'm not too familiar with diablo's case but I'm sure you can find an equivalent in one of the maemo.org's diablo part of repositories. In fact google can also be quite helpful here so long as you know exactly what sort of strings to pass through to search12:40
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psycho_oreoshttp://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/openssh/ <-- here you go, for diablo but also available for other products12:42
DocScrutinizerwell, for all I recall I installed ssh via application manager straight on N81012:42
DocScrutinizerwith not many special repos set12:42
udovdhyes, but the connection manager is in the way12:43
udovdhand apt-get install doesn't know about openssh12:43
DocScrutinizeraaah I see. Yeah WLAN made my life a bit more easy for N81012:43
psycho_oreosits not called openssh, its most likely called openssh-{server,client}12:43
udovdhok.. we'll try those...12:44
psycho_oreosapt-get search openssh12:44
psycho_oreosnot all packages would be named exactly as you'd expect them to be, for every other case that this isn't the case, there's always `apt-cache search' command for debian related linuxes12:44
DocScrutinizerregrading networks etc, I think I got me network-conectivity-manager app iirc12:45
DocScrutinizernice app12:45
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udovdhpsycho_oreos, invalid operation search12:46
udovdhand apt-cache search did not find openssh12:46
udovdhrepo's on the n810 are nokia-only repo's12:46
udovdh(flashed it yesterday)12:46
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DocScrutinizerudovdh: apt-cache search kajdhdajhdajk12:54
DocScrutinizernot apt-get12:54
udovdhI tried apt-cache12:54
DocScrutinizeraah yes12:54
udovdhso it is a repo issue I guess12:54
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DocScrutinizertry apt-cache search ssh12:54
DocScrutinizertry apt-cache search '.*ssh.*'12:55
DocScrutinizerwait a monment, I have to find out my n810 IP12:55
DocScrutinizerto log in ;-)12:55
udovdh192.168.2.1512:56
DocScrutinizermeh12:59
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -l root 192.168.1.4312:59
DocScrutinizerWarning: Permanently added '192.168.1.43' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.12:59
DocScrutinizerroot@192.168.1.43's password:12:59
DocScrutinizerWLAN12:59
DocScrutinizerNokia-N810-23-14:~# apt-cache policy openssh13:00
DocScrutinizeropenssh:13:00
DocScrutinizer  Installed: 1:4.7p1-12.maemo213:00
DocScrutinizer  Candidate: 1:4.7p1-12.maemo213:00
DocScrutinizer  Version table:13:00
DocScrutinizer *** 1:4.7p1-12.maemo2 013:00
DocScrutinizer        500 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free Packages13:00
udovdhyes, what I thought13:02
udovdhnot a nokia repo13:02
DocScrutinizerof course not. maemo repo13:02
udovdhcan I install a .install file from the command line?13:02
DocScrutinizeraka extras13:02
DocScrutinizererr basically yes13:03
DocScrutinizerthough it's not exactly qualifying as "install an installfile"13:03
udovdhjust a list of repo's as in rpm stuff I am used to13:04
DocScrutinizersth along line of ``echo " http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free foo bar" >/etc/apt-somefile-Iforgot''13:04
DocScrutinizerthe dpkg savvy here will know better13:05
DocScrutinizerooops13:05
DocScrutinizersth along line of ``echo " http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free foo bar" >>/etc/apt-somefile-Iforgot''13:05
DocScrutinizer>> !!!13:05
udovdhok, working on that13:05
psycho_oreosahh crap my bad, I later corrected my own stance but did not specifically hint that13:07
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DocScrutinizeretc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list:13:08
DocScrutinizerdeb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user13:08
DocScrutinizerdeb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ diablo user13:08
DocScrutinizerdeb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/ ./13:09
DocScrutinizerdeb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free13:09
DocScrutinizerNB this most likely is NOT up-to-date13:09
DocScrutinizeralso note please that all this won't help you much without any (probably WLAN) connectivity13:11
DocScrutinizerudovdh: ^^^13:12
DocScrutinizerso your line is: echo "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free" >>/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list13:13
udovdhthanks!13:14
DocScrutinizerYW13:14
udovdhmust start to work now13:14
udovdhthanks! again13:15
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Macerhm. rasberry pi started shipping today?13:17
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Maceri will wait and see how it turns out.. i still have nightmares about the touchbook13:17
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DocScrutinizerhehe13:18
Macerit looks interesting tho... but a 700MHz broadcom still seems underpowered13:18
udovdhhmm dependency hell..13:19
Macerwow13:22
Macerhigh def kickboxer13:22
DocScrutinizerwut?13:23
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* DocScrutinizer idly wonders if udovdh has actually updated to "recent" diablo13:25
DocScrutinizerSSU been invented/introduced with latest diablo iirc13:26
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udovdhDocScrutinizer, how to tell?13:28
udovdhI flashed RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin13:28
udovdhis that 'recent'?13:28
DocScrutinizerhmm13:29
DocScrutinizerwait a minute13:29
DocScrutinizer(since I friggin dunno how to invoke software-version on diablo cmdline)13:30
udovdhsame here13:30
udovdhcould dmesg help?13:30
udovdhgotta leave soon to the OHm2013 pre-party13:31
DocScrutinizerabout product: 5.2008-43.713:31
DocScrutinizerso seems OK13:32
udovdh43.7 is in my flash filename13:32
udovdhapt-get gives me conflicts etc. i'll try to resolve them tomorrow13:32
udovdhthanks so far13:32
udovdhlater!13:32
DocScrutinizero/13:32
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* DocScrutinizer pets basically unused spare N810 too13:35
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Macerhaha13:35
Macermine has a layer of dust on it as well13:35
Maceri don't know what to do with it13:35
DocScrutinizerwell, mine at least reliably yells whenever a SIP call comes in ;-D13:36
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Macerheh13:36
DocScrutinizerIf ever I move to a castle, I'll use the spare one for another SIP device on 2nd floor13:36
Macerdo they still have castles nowadays?13:37
DocScrutinizerfor now there are like 5 ringing devices in 2 adjacent rooms without any door between13:37
Maceri'm sure if you were rich enough you can have one built13:38
Macerbut masonary work is just not what it used to be13:38
DocScrutinizerjust enough to keep the spare N810 well off the dust13:38
DocScrutinizerhere you can buy a castle every day for ONE €13:39
DocScrutinizerjust you need millions to fulfil the mandatory refurbishing and whatnot13:39
Macerwow really?13:39
Macernice13:39
DocScrutinizercastle:1€. New roof:300k€. New windows: 500k€. ANY reasonable heating, water, electricity: 1.2M€...  like that13:41
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SpeedEvilAnd then 40K/year for heating.13:42
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DocScrutinizerthen you're obliged to hire personal to open up the doors for visitors every weekend13:42
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: of course, that too13:43
Maceryou do?13:43
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Maceryou have to open up the doors every weekend for visitors??13:43
DocScrutinizerdepends13:43
Macerwth? :)13:43
DocScrutinizerusually yes13:43
Macerwow. that's weird13:44
DocScrutinizerdepending on how relevant a historical building the whole wreck is13:44
SpeedEvilNot to mention that what you can do with the building will be _sharply_ limited.13:44
DocScrutinizerindeed13:45
SpeedEvilYou can't generally change the external shell at all.13:45
DocScrutinizernor the historically relevant interior13:45
SpeedEvilAnd it has to be repaired using contemporary materials.13:45
DocScrutinizerwell, you may use plastic or aluminium windows, as long as they *look* absolutely original13:46
SpeedEvilIn the UK it can get a bit beyond that.13:46
Macerhaha13:47
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Macerlike you have to go find the tempered glass making monks out in the woods?13:47
Macerand carry it back on horseback section by section :)13:47
DocScrutinizerUK castles are *very* special ;-D13:47
DocScrutinizeryou probably even have to feed the ghost13:47
Macerlol13:48
Macerhonestly to a rich person it sounds rather cheap still13:48
Macerminus the heating of course13:48
Macerbut i am sure you can probably section it off and heat it in a different manner than normal13:48
DocScrutinizerit sounds cheap for a castle, it's friggin useless for all the money in the end anyway13:48
Maceryeah but i mean the retrofitting and the upkeep still seems cheap compared to paying millions on some fabricated brick mansion13:49
Macerplus if it is still around today it will obviosly last rather long ;)13:49
DocScrutinizerthe most cheap path is: buy it, fix rotten crap, do *nothing* else with it (not living there, not heating, nuttin)13:50
DocScrutinizerthen you're just doing what previously been done (or not) by state/district and been too expensive for them so they decided to sell for 1€13:51
Maceri'd actually restore it tbh13:52
Macerif i had money like that ;)13:52
Macerhow much of the land are you entitled to purchasing it?13:53
Macerjust the castle?13:53
DocScrutinizeroooh, don't forget to get a 99year deal regarding real estate tax etc13:53
Maceryou have to pay 99 years of real estate tax? LOL13:53
DocScrutinizeryou should make sure you don't13:53
DocScrutinizeras the friggin castle is expensive enough13:54
DocScrutinizerand it's a bit insane to pay real estate tax to the district when you take away a burden from them. They'd earn double money on your kind help13:55
Macerthe castle is 1 dollar heh13:55
Macerplus you don't have to pay real estate tax for 99 years ;)13:56
DocScrutinizerno, for the district it's like a -500k€ less per year13:56
Macerat inflated pricing you'd probably save13:56
Macerstill sounds awesome if you have the money for it :)13:57
Macerespecially if you restore it13:57
Macerand modernize what you can13:57
DocScrutinizerI.E. district saves 500k expense per year, so why should they as well get real estate tax from you for doing them the favour?13:57
Macerbeause back in the day if you wanted the castle you'd have to spend just as much for your own army13:58
DocScrutinizerbut those dukes etc could do whatever they like with their castle. You can't basically do *anything* with it13:59
DocScrutinizeryou're lucky if you find a way you can love there13:59
DocScrutinizerlive* ;-D13:59
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Macerhaha13:59
Macerno sex in the castle!13:59
Macerlest ye taint it with thy sperm13:59
Maceri'm sure you can find loopholes etc14:00
DocScrutinizernope14:00
Macerand eventually lobby to make changes heh14:00
DocScrutinizerneither14:00
Macerthey're that serious about something that is basically a pile of rocks and money pit to them? :)14:00
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Macerso you're pretty much giving them their own museum that you restore and pay massive taxes on ?14:01
Macerthat's lame14:01
DocScrutinizerif you got bad luck, THEY will find 'loopholes' to request you change the whole roof to another type of stones, or whatever14:01
DocScrutinizersuddenly decide you have to open up for visitors 5 days a week 10h, rather than the weekends 5h you initially agreed upon. etc14:03
DocScrutinizer7 days even14:03
DocScrutinizerno real fun14:04
DocScrutinizerotherwise there wouldn't be any 1€-castles available anymore14:04
DocScrutinizeryour last statement sounds like it's exactly to the point14:05
Macerhttp://www.chateauforsale.org/chateaux_in_chalus/propertyref_HH-5063842.php14:06
Macerfrance has them too.. but they sell them for more than 1euro14:07
Maceri mean cmon.. it has its own dungeon!14:07
Macer:-D14:07
Maceryou can film some awesome porn there14:07
Maceri guess if you are that rich then you would have a great team of lawyers to prevent that during the sale14:08
DocScrutinizer>>This domain that marries authenticity with modern comforts and represents a unique opportunity to acquire a rare property for either private use or for commercial tourism purposes....<<14:08
Macerheh14:08
Macerit says "private use" ;)14:08
Maceri'd hire archers for the guard tower to kill trespassers14:08
Macerbut it does seem like it would be easier and cheaper just to build your own castle if you can find the masonaries to do it14:09
Maceri doubt you can even find enough nowadays to make an entire castle14:09
Macermasonary work is a thing of the past because of china :( with their fabricated mass produced brick that lasts 5 years like everything else out of asia14:10
DocScrutinizer>> the castle has been restored and furnished in the spirit of the time with all the modern comforts, all windows have double glazed, all the woodwork, wall lamps, doors, door frames and stained glass are hand made. The castle is equipped with underfloor heating on ground level and radiators on the upper levels<<14:10
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DocScrutinizersounds like the same expense done for you already14:10
Maceryeah14:11
DocScrutinizeryou'd have to do all that on your own if you buy a 1€-castle14:11
Macerwhich is why it costs 20Meuro14:11
Macerheh14:11
DocScrutinizerexactly14:11
Maceri'd buy it if i were that rich14:11
Macerbut the french are snobs when you are not french14:11
Macer:)14:11
Macerthey'd probably kick me out after buying it14:12
DocScrutinizerhehe14:12
Macerthen say i can only live in it 1 week out the year on a visa14:12
DocScrutinizerquite possibly ;-P14:12
Macerand that their town leader will live there the rest of the year14:12
Macerlol14:12
Macerthe french preach a good game of world peace but are total assholes in real life14:13
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lolcatI've had a Maemo chroot running on a Galaxy S2 (any Droid device will work) but I could not get it to be fully functional.14:34
lolcatHowto?14:34
lolcatDocScrutinizer: ?14:37
DocScrutinizer??14:37
DocScrutinizerNFC14:37
psycho_oreos1) you're not being specific enough, 2) you do realise there is a huge difference between the two devices, and that you cannot expect everything to work in a chroot environment?14:37
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: thanks14:38
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, o.O that was for lolcat :)14:38
lolcatHe said HAM didn't work, but HAM is crap anyways14:38
psycho_oreosthere are alternatives like FAM or you can simply use apt-get for that matter14:39
lolcatIs it possible to install Maemo UI on top of ebian?14:39
lolcatdebian*14:39
psycho_oreosno14:39
psycho_oreosnot without pulling out enough hairs before even completing half way.. the design of debian and therefore maemo is heavily integrated that you won't be able to install the UI separately without loads of painstaking work in fulfilling the dependencies14:40
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: sure, and thanks for that14:40
lolcatBecause Ubuntu and Unity will run in a chroot14:40
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, ah14:40
psycho_oreoslolcat, you're misunderstanding the whole concept.. ubuntu will work is because its open source and I'm guessing someone has already compiled the work on their devices before releasing it. Maemo's UI is _not_ open source.. not completely anyway14:41
psycho_oreosand really before thinking you can also get very nice maemo UI working on your galaxy S2, don't forget that you won't have HW acceleration working in a way that you'd expect it to work with a proper maemo device14:43
lolcatUbuntu is basicly  debian.  Maemo  is basicly debian.14:43
lolcatI have a Galaxy Note14:44
psycho_oreosubuntu is open source, maemo is _not_ open source14:44
psycho_oreosgetting maemo to work could almost be like getting windows/mac to work on devices that it was not meant to be working on14:45
lolcatMac now works on quite a wide variety of hardware14:45
lolcatEspecially since they started using Intel instead of powerpc14:46
lolcatI ran Windows 95 on my N90014:46
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lolcatAnd that isn't even the rigth arcitechture14:46
psycho_oreosthat's really besides the point, and you could argue that apple would love to sue the living hell out of you should you commercialise/promote their OS on devices which they did not specifically release support on14:46
psycho_oreosbefore you ramble about how you can run windows on N900, have you thought about the exact same usecase as when you're now on galaxy devices?14:47
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lolcatSoftware licenses are invalid in Norway, if I legally purchase the software I can do with it as I please.14:47
lolcatI just love Maemo14:48
* SpeedEvil idly wonders what that means if I purchase software remotely in norway, and have it installed on a machine in norway14:48
psycho_oreossince when is there mac support on samsung galaxy device? since when did microsoft has support on samsung galaxy device? since when did nokia actually produce anything related to maemo on top of other devices?14:48
lolcatpsycho_oreos: I don't need support for it to run14:48
lolcatI could install Mac osx on the N90014:49
psycho_oreosits not about licensing, I'm sure apple would love the sue the living hell out of you for even trying to sell services that includes installation on devices they do not specifically support14:49
psycho_oreoslolcat, you won't get support, so what you've stated is rather moot but again you're missing the point14:49
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DocScrutinizerlolcat: could you install mac osx on galaxy?14:50
lolcatI don't want to sell  anything14:50
lolcatDocScrutinizer: No idea, I just got it. Haven't rooted it yet14:50
DocScrutinizerso unless you get mac osx running on galaxy, why the F* are you bitching about maemo not running on galaxy?14:51
psycho_oreosits not about you selling, the point I'm basically trying to make is that you're not going to be able to get maemo working on your galaxy. If you insist, by all means but don't come crying for support because nobody bothers to do it and its rather pointless14:51
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lolcatSaving Maemo isn't pointless14:51
psycho_oreossaving a mostly proprietary platform is rather pointless14:52
lolcatSo there is no way to make the  maemo gui appear on the Note?14:52
psycho_oreosunless you're a hacker that doesn't bitch and moan when hell freezes over14:52
* lolcat downloads Maemo SDK14:53
DocScrutinizerwtf?14:54
psycho_oreosthe people that chose to port maemo UI across some other platform used a slightly different base with more or less maemo's skin and they don't come here screaming for support. Instead they accumulate like-minded hackers who just RE stuff to make it work on their specific target rather than seeking for support on some random device14:54
DocScrutinizera) maemo isn't mostly proprietary. b) you won't get it working on galaxy natively nevertheless, as some coreparts (dialer, some libs) nevertheless *are* c) what do you expect from something running in a *chroot*???14:56
lolcatIf it is a chroot I could make a dummy dialer and messenger system that just pulls stuff from the host14:56
DocScrutinizerrunning maemo in any chroot != saving mamemo14:57
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DocScrutinizermaemo even14:57
psycho_oreosI still personally contend to that point a, most of the hardware related functionality, though not all are.14:58
LaoLang_coolHow to install diff? apt-get install diff notes selecting busybox instead of diff then says busybox is already the newest version15:00
freemangordonLaoLang_cool, what happens when you type diff?15:01
LaoLang_coolfreemangordon: -sh: diff: not found15:02
freemangordonwtf? is that on device or ib sb, or where?15:03
freemangordons/ib/in/15:03
infobotfreemangordon meant: wtf? is that on device or in sb, or where?15:03
LaoLang_coolfreemangordon: ?15:03
Macerwant the temp to go up a little bit so i can go running15:03
freemangordonLaoLang_cool, where do you type it? is that on n900?15:04
LaoLang_coolfreemangordon: I type it in xterm15:04
LaoLang_coolon n90015:04
freemangordonLaoLang_cool, ok, lemme check15:05
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DocScrutinizerso I don't need to15:08
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# which diff15:09
DocScrutinizer/usr/bin/gnu/diff15:09
DocScrutinizerno diff in messybox15:09
DocScrutinizeraparently15:09
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# busybox diff15:10
DocScrutinizerdiff: applet not found15:10
freemangordonyep15:10
DocScrutinizerso according to LaoLang_cool a) messybox pkg is fsckdup15:10
DocScrutinizerb) diff is in gnu15:10
lolcathttp://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/28-Running-Mac-OS-X-on-a-Olympus-E-P2-digital-camera.html <- wish this wanst a aprils fool15:11
MohammadAGyay, the N9 can be overclocked15:11
MohammadAGI always wanted a polycarbonate deep fryer15:11
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, seems like busybox in Fremantle is compiled without diif :(15:11
DocScrutinizerobviously15:12
freemangordonLaoLang_cool ^^^15:12
DocScrutinizerwhich doesn't give me any headache since I hate messybox anyway15:12
LaoLang_coolWhat should I do? install messybox?15:12
DocScrutinizer~messybox15:12
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils15:12
freemangordonLOL15:13
LaoLang_coolok...15:13
DocScrutinizerinstall gnu *utils (I guess coreutils or binutils)15:13
DocScrutinizerone of them may provide gnu diff15:13
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DocScrutinizersome gnu pkd soes, anyway15:13
DocScrutinizerpkg15:13
DocScrutinizerdoes15:13
DocScrutinizerdang15:13
MohammadAGcoreutils-gnu15:13
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: thanks15:14
DocScrutinizernever wrapped my head around how to find which dpkg yields what files/functions15:14
LaoLang_coolok, I find http://maemo.org/packages/view/busybox-power/ is another choice :)15:15
DocScrutinizerEEEEEK15:15
DocScrutinizerI'm *very* averse to replacing busybox with some allegedly better version, and iirc rightly so, as some regression already been found eventually in messybox-power15:16
DocScrutinizerbut that's your admin beer15:16
DocScrutinizerI'd go for gnu tools every day15:17
DocScrutinizerif messybox is the alternative15:17
DocScrutinizerno matter what flavour of this abomination15:17
DocScrutinizersee -messybox above15:17
DocScrutinizereven ~messybox15:18
LaoLang_coolok.. maybe bash + gnu15:18
DocScrutinizerthat's what I did15:18
DocScrutinizerI mean I got 2GB of /usr space15:18
DocScrutinizermy first linux system had some 50MB od HDD15:18
DocScrutinizerand still enough room to have a decent bash and core utils and man pages15:19
DocScrutinizer~jrtools15:19
infobot[jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools15:19
Macerheh15:20
Macermy awesome 486sx/25 could handle things great15:21
SpeedEvilSometimes I want to smack people that say 1GHz - or whatever - is slow.15:21
freemangordon:nod:15:21
SpeedEvilI find it amusing that you can now get microcontrollers for $5 or so, that are about an order of magnitude faster than my first computer - 386/2015:22
DocScrutinizeryeah, insane. be stingy on 2MB for bash, but then preload crap that eats 50MB for nuttin15:23
DocScrutinizerthen complain stuff gets sluggish when swap hell starts15:23
DocScrutinizerergo: overclock15:23
DocScrutinizerand ask for dual-core 1.6GHz SoC for your embedded device15:24
DocScrutinizerso you could preload mmore crap15:25
DocScrutinizerhell, the N900 is about as fast and as much RAM as my laptop as of 4 years ago15:25
Macerhahaha15:26
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DocScrutinizerand yes, openoffice took >1min to strat up on that toughbook laptop too - so what?15:27
Macerheh... openoffice was groundbreaking stuff when it first came out :)15:29
Macerit still holds its own today15:31
Macerespecially after ms office made that disgusting shift to pastel colors and giant buttons15:31
lolcatARM is crap compared to x8615:31
freemangordonwow15:31
lolcatLike my N-7000 has 1.4  ghz  dual core15:31
Macerthey both were meant to serve different purposes15:31
Macerarm was supposed to be low latency low power15:31
Macerx86 was supposed to be a total power whore :)15:31
DocScrutinizerdual use: heater15:32
lolcatPhones should have x86 so you  could warm your hands on them15:32
DocScrutinizerso, x86 is total crap compared to ARM15:32
Macerheh15:32
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DocScrutinizerhonesly what a void nonsensical comparison15:33
lolcatx86 will preform better at the same clock speed15:34
DocScrutinizerWTF clock speed???15:34
Macerheh15:34
Maceruhm.. doesn't x86 also have many more power sucking instructions?15:34
DocScrutinizeras if clock speed would mean *anything*15:34
lolcatghz is a meassurement of the clock speed?15:34
lolcats/?/!15:34
freemangordonso?15:35
DocScrutinizerand if I switch of the divider in the PLL, I can clock the CPU with twice the clockspeed15:35
DocScrutinizerBS15:35
DocScrutinizerclock speed is a totally bogus number15:36
freemangordontalking about x86, you can return back in time and remember athlon versus pentium.15:36
lolcatI know15:36
DocScrutinizeresp when comparing different architectures15:36
lolcatI think I have an Athlon laying about15:36
lolcatAnd a Duron15:36
lolcatFor desktops I've actually come to prefer AMD15:36
freemangordonthose are the same, just some marketing BS15:36
lolcatI am  fairly sure my Atholn is twice as powerfull as my Duron15:37
lolcatSame socket though15:37
lolcatSocket A <315:37
DocScrutinizerfor the idio^W noobs that don't get any more complex numbers than this "clockspeed"15:37
lolcatDecent benchmark scores are harder to come by15:38
lolcatAnd the benchmark will vary from chip to chip15:38
lolcatBut still, the ARM in the N-7000 beats the N900 any day15:39
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MohammadAGthe fuck is Bus error16:25
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DocScrutinizerhm?16:31
DocScrutinizerbus error: see ARM basics16:32
DocScrutinizertrying to access some system on bus that's not ready to get accessed16:33
DocScrutinizerI'd guess16:33
DocScrutinizere.g if you try to read from RAM that's in suspend state16:33
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freemangordonmerlin1991, ping16:47
DocScrutinizerhmm, probably that would rather cause a prefetch or data abort16:52
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: so no clue what's your bus error16:53
DocScrutinizermaybe it's how linux represents prefetch-aborts and data-aborts in signal domain (kill -l: SIGBUS)16:54
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ShadowJKI think you het sigbus on some arms when doing misaligned memory access17:20
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DocScrutinizerlolcat: to "save maemo" you probably wanna check out what #mer and #nemomobile do18:22
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t_s_owoho, ass saved by usb networking in boot menu21:03
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StyXmant_s_o: best shit ever21:12
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* RST38h moos21:17
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RST38h"No survivors have been found. ?? persons were detected in Earth's upper stratosphere gradually accelerating away from the planet, accounting for 86% of the attending club members and staff."21:19
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merlin1991RST38h: wtf did you quote?21:56
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