IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-04-15

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jukanyone seeing banners from gcc like /var/tmp/ccTtyaJb.s:41: rdhi, rdlo and rm must all be different00:03
teotwakijuk: sounds like the ARM assembler00:08
teotwakibuilding the kernel?00:09
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jukteotwaki: yes, thats on device gcc from sdk reps, no, not building, just running on file with main return 000:13
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jukteotwaki: does the self-built kernel work?00:14
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, a sentence01:08
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MohammadAGerr, what's mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/sociality-mtf-build-harmattan$ ~/QtSDK/Madde/bin/mad -t harmattan_10.2011.34-1_rt1.2 ldd sociality-mtf01:29
MohammadAGnot a dynamic executable01:29
DocScrutinizera sentence? seems like a random function going lyric01:33
DocScrutinizerprobably some filler text used in SPAM to fool spamassassin01:33
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teotwakiMohammadAG: boo01:39
MohammadAGteotwaki, oi01:40
teotwakiMohammadAG: that's an error you get when running a 32-bit binary on a 64-bit os01:40
MohammadAGbut that's an ARM executable, running using an ARM qemu01:40
DocScrutinizeror maybe not01:40
DocScrutinizerfile helps01:41
teotwakiMohammadAG: readelf ~/QtSDK/Madde/bin/mad01:41
DocScrutinizeror that01:42
teotwakiMohammadAG: basically, what the error says is that the dynamic linker you're using is unable to understand the binary01:43
teotwakiif you do a ldd $_01:44
teotwakiyou'll see the same message01:44
DocScrutinizereven readelf -h01:44
DocScrutinizerand the ldd might be whatever mad is using atm01:45
MohammadAGreadelf: Error: Not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start01:46
MohammadAGanyway01:47
MohammadAGanyone familiar with qmake?01:47
teotwakinope01:47
teotwakiautotools ftw01:48
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: man ld-linux01:53
DocScrutinizerhelps with some nice envs01:53
DocScrutinizerthough not here probably01:53
teotwakiDocScrutinizer: you should probably change the "recent update" in the topic01:55
teotwakicuz it's far from "recent".01:55
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DocScrutinizerthanks01:57
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teotwakiBad_Dream: sure I am02:09
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Bad_Dreamlolz02:09
teotwakitold ya :)02:10
Bad_Dreamwhy for it doesnt show you as an op?02:10
Bad_Dreamor just sent command straight to chanserv02:10
teotwakicuz the policy of this channel is that we don't show ops by default02:10
Bad_Dreamah ok02:10
teotwakino need to have people "higher" than others.02:10
teotwakithey can ask chanserv to op themselves when needed02:11
SpeedEvilIt's a general freenode policy02:12
teotwakiit's a freenode guideline02:12
teotwakicheck ##php02:12
Bad_Dreamoh its ok02:12
Bad_Dreami usta play around in irc way back in the day02:12
Bad_Dreamwriting scripts and watnot02:12
teotwakiit's declining in usage fast02:13
Bad_Dreamim pretty familiar with the way things work02:13
bindididn't pick up with the proper grammar then?02:13
teotwakibindi: don't see any grammar issues in what he said.02:14
bindispelling then :p02:14
Bad_Dreamill tell you what....the internet is where people come to relax...chill out and get away from the bindings of proffesional lives...if someone feels a need to enforce proper grammar and correct in a place such as this then i see no other choice but to call him an anal retentive sack of crap02:14
teotwakibindi: though, feel free to email George Lucas to criticise the way Yoda talks.02:14
Bad_Dreambut hey i could be wrong02:14
bindi"usta" "wat"02:14
teotwakiBad_Dream: no sweat, i'm the only anal retentive sack of crap in this channel who's banned people for using "u" instead of "you".02:15
teotwakibut they were repeat offenders.02:15
teotwakiand had it coming.02:15
teotwakiTwats.02:15
Bad_Dreamfeel free fur banning me fur not writing gud for yu...in fact ill make it a speshul point to type bad and use bad grammer just cuz i know yu dont like it02:16
Bad_Dreammmk?02:16
bindier02:16
teotwakihaha02:16
Bad_Dreambindi just had aneurism explode in his pea sized brain02:17
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teotwakiBad_Dream: since then, I've had colleagues send me emails asking "though the filters apply to couples of calls, or just rememberance?"02:17
teotwakiwhat they meant was "do the search filters only filter incoming, real-time calls or also the archived ones?"02:18
Bad_Dreamlol02:18
Bad_Dreampeople gotta troll02:19
teotwakiSo yeah, I do like it when people display proper spelling and grammar, but it's not that important to me.02:19
Bad_Dreamits in our nature02:19
teotwakiWell, it wasn't trolling.02:19
Bad_Dreamoh....then thats bad lol02:19
teotwakiThat was honest to god, "that's the best I can do".02:19
Bad_Dreamaaaaahahahaha02:19
teotwakiWell, I live in France.02:19
teotwakiSo people writing English isn't just funny, it's sad.02:19
Bad_Dreamwhen i type slang it isnt out of lazyness....its actually the way i think of my internet persona speaking02:20
Bad_Dreamthe way it sounds in my head02:20
teotwakiI had to write some important manual for one of our products, wrt how to update the software on specific platforms.02:21
teotwakisomeone had to translate it02:21
teotwakiThey wrote "La pomme a relaché une mise à jour"02:21
Bad_Dreamand i dont actually say instead of why or ur instead of you are....i do say wat all the time tho lol02:21
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teotwakiwhich is literal for "The apple" (fruit) "released" (out of jail) "an update"02:21
Bad_Dreamoh thats wat that says? im part french and i couldnt figure it out02:22
Bad_Dreammore like rereleased02:22
Bad_Dreami guess thats proper french tho02:22
Bad_Dreamhere french is all butchered slang02:23
MohammadAGended up statically linking a lib02:23
MohammadAGcause there's no sane repo for harmattan02:23
teotwakiMohammadAG: how much bigger is it?02:23
teotwakiMohammadAG: statically linking libs can really increase binary size though... and memory consumption, and load times.02:23
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Bad_Dreamso what is this channel about?02:24
teotwakiMohammadAG: I recently added libcryptopp to one of our products, the cryptopp guys recommend statically linking the lib, but it's 50megs... and it had to go into 8 binaries... so 400MB extra02:24
Bad_Dreamlinux?02:24
teotwakiBad_Dream: Maemo was a debian-derived operating systems that ran on internet tablets and phones.02:24
teotwakiBad_Dream: the n900 more specifically02:25
Bad_Dreamah ok02:25
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teotwakiin its heyday, there more than 500 people in this channel02:25
DocScrutinizerHAH, I wondered who the FSCK added teotwaki to access list ;-P02:25
teotwakihahaha02:25
teotwakijust whois me you crazy german paranoid arse :P02:25
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Bad_Dreamgotta love germans02:26
MohammadAG864Klibqfacebook.a02:26
DocScrutinizerguess what I did ;-P02:26
DocScrutinizerwb infobot02:26
teotwakiMohammadAG: I guess that's reasonable, have you tried ltdl'ing the .so?02:26
MohammadAGltdl?02:26
teotwakilibtool02:26
MohammadAGcome again?02:26
MohammadAG(500 people, woah, we're only 280 now)02:27
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MohammadAGI must admit, the N900 lasted a week with no 3G or Wifi02:27
MohammadAGbut only because it can't connect to wifi for some reason02:27
teotwakiGNU libtool, has its C counterpart, you can do the dynamic linking yourself... as in, ltdl_open("myfile.so")02:27
MohammadAGwhy?02:27
teotwakijust so you don't have to recompile in case you want to update the library?02:28
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MohammadAGit takes less than a second to compile it :p02:28
teotwakibut not to update / QA02:28
teotwakiAnd you can make it search the device for the proper .so, and if it finds it, load that, if not, take the one you shipped?02:28
MohammadAGupstream's been dead since April 201002:28
MohammadAGthough I'd like to make some changes to store session data02:29
teotwakioh well fuck off then, do it your way, if you don't want my help :P02:29
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MohammadAGtbh the biggest problem was keeping the git repo intact02:29
MohammadAGas in this https://gitorious.org/qtbook/sociality-mtf/commit/6d66dad493385a7ef754f231e3d22373c71f0e9a02:30
MohammadAGmobile users: don't open that ^02:30
MohammadAGor anyone with a low battery laptop, JS is heavy on that02:30
MohammadAGsadly gitorious's web UI doesn't show it was moved, it shows it was deleted and recreated02:31
MohammadAGgit commit said it was renamed02:31
teotwakioh, I did a good deed!02:32
teotwakiWe use thebuggenie as our bugtracker02:32
teotwakiwe gave the devs a VM :)02:32
teotwakiRather than sending them money02:33
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teotwakiMohammadAG: the gitorious guys are starting to trail behind seriously02:34
MohammadAGI'll give you a VM, can I have the money?02:34
teotwakiMohammadAG: if you compare the UI and UX from github02:34
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MohammadAGI'm racist towards white sites02:35
teotwakiMohammadAG: 2GB RAM, 99.8% uptime (guaranteed), 2x 3Ghz CPU, and a pipe to the internet so big you could never fill it with all the donkeyporn in the world?02:35
MohammadAG4GB ram02:35
MohammadAGdonkeyporn is so last year02:36
MohammadAGget with the times02:36
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teotwakiok, midget wank then.02:36
teotwakiMohammadAG: I did some benchmarks on my project02:36
teotwakiMohammadAG: 18k simultaneous RT web connections ;)02:36
teotwaki+ AJAX.02:37
teotwakion a quad core CPU02:37
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teotwakimy router overheated.02:37
MohammadAGthat's... a lot02:37
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teotwakiyeah, it's a fuckton.02:38
teotwakiour current stack handles about 5k over 4 servers.02:38
teotwakiI'm pushing back the initial release to end of september02:39
teotwakiBut I think I might actually have something with this :)02:39
teotwakiI can update the binaries while it's serving those 18k connections :)02:40
teotwakianyway02:40
teotwakigood night02:40
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ShadowJK99.8 lol02:41
DocScrutinizer?02:47
DocScrutinizerah02:47
DocScrutinizerI had a server that used to go down for 1 second every 15 minutes. Had a really "uptime", though totally useless02:48
DocScrutinizerreally *great* "uptime"02:49
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jacekowski 02:03:58 up 162 days,  9:02,  6 users,  load average: 1.44, 1.65, 1.4203:03
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Bad_Dreamhai guys im back now with mai dindins03:32
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Bad_Dreamwait wtf am i still doing here03:32
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LaoLang_coolHello, how to know the battery percentage?05:09
LaoLang_coolexactly05:09
prontomagic05:09
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DocScrutinizernot at all05:16
DocScrutinizera guestimate that's pretending to be exact: lshal|grep battery05:16
DocScrutinizera fairly good figure, but only after you calibrate the chip: bq27200.sh05:17
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LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: I don't know which info is what I need from the output of lshal|grep battery, I want to how how percentage remained05:19
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DocScrutinizersigh05:19
DocScrutinizerhow's about " battery.charge_level.percentage"?05:20
DocScrutinizerI admit, a bit hard to guess05:20
DocScrutinizerquite obscure a name05:21
Termanalol05:21
LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: is this it? it returns 25, but battery icon shows a nearly full icon right now...05:22
DocScrutinizerI'm not responsible for either of both05:23
LaoLang_coolok, now it returns 74, after I disconnect the usb wire to stop charging05:23
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dre-samosirada yg dari Indonesia?08:19
RST38hNot being content with the state of open source graphics drivers for Linux, a developer working for Texas Instruments has reverse-engineered his competitor's (Qualcomm) driver and written an open-source Snapdragon driver. With being tainted by legal documents at Texas Instruments, the developer, who is also involved with Linaro, had no other choice but to work on an open source graphics driver for his competitor in his free time.08:20
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petterithat's the spirit!08:37
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SpeedEvilOooh!08:59
SpeedEvilneat09:00
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a-nightfuryhi guys where i can get the KP4912:41
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a-nightfuryhi guys where i can get the KP4913:15
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DocScrutinizerwhy not use KP50?13:29
DocScrutinizeranyway, whatever you wanna use, better wait til tomorrow. maemo.org seems down/borked, as usual on weekends13:32
DocScrutinizerat least http://maemo.org/packages/ takes ages to deliver a completely blank page13:33
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DocScrutinizerWOW, on 5th attemt it worked13:34
DocScrutinizerwhich doesn't mean an actual search there would yield anything better than blankpage13:35
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obcecado_Error 50013:36
obcecado_maemo.org13:36
obcecado_Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:35:55 +030013:37
DocScrutinizerhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/13:37
a-nightfuryDocScrutinizer, because it'snot compatible with cleven13:38
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DocScrutinizerhmm13:44
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a-nightfuryDocScrutinizer, with the KP50 i need to go in a hassle and there's no clear tutorial on installing the patch drivers13:46
a-nightfuryDocScrutinizer, or at least i didn't find a good one13:46
DocScrutinizerwell, tutorials should apply to kp50 as they do to kp4913:47
DocScrutinizerall that aside, for kernel it's indeed rather unfortunate that older versions get nuked in repo13:48
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a-nightfuryDocScrutinizer, I don't recall what was my latest kernel that i used and was working fine with cleven13:50
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a-nightfuryDocScrutinizer, so I was thinking that it might've been the KP4913:51
DocScrutinizererr, uname doesn't help?13:51
a-nightfuryDocScrutinizer, not anymore i was on KP50 and now on the original nokia kernel trying to find how to get back on my last config that worked well with cleven13:53
DocScrutinizerhmm, you got any decent backup? (I.E. backupmenu)13:54
a-nightfuryDocScrutinizer, don't think I have backed up my device in a very long time13:55
a-nightfuryDocScrutinizer, at least not after I re flashed it when i had the re reboot problem13:56
DocScrutinizerwell, I don't follow the KP-thread on tmo. Maybe there you get (a link to) the older kernel-power versions13:56
a-nightfuryDocScrutinizer, the link you provided me got me to the older kernel packages13:57
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ShadowJKWhat's cleven?13:58
a-nightfuryShadowJK, an aircrack gui13:59
ShadowJKah13:59
ShadowJKSo the alternate wifi drivers need to be updated for kp50 then?13:59
Vib3ohh still no update to reaver 1.413:59
Vib3it didn't work on my n900 :/14:00
Vib3seems it has few bugs..14:00
a-nightfuryShadowJK, yes14:00
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DocScrutinizerI'd bet you could use the kp49 drivers, when forcing them14:01
DocScrutinizeranyway...14:01
DocScrutinizerPali: ping ^^^14:01
DocScrutinizera-nightfury: you ever checked if cleven works with kp50?14:04
Paliwifi injection drivers are for kp50 too14:05
Palisee first post in kernel-power v50 TMO thread14:05
DocScrutinizeryep, I thought kp50 had some improvements there even14:05
DocScrutinizerhi Pali14:06
a-nightfuryDocScrutinizer, Pali after upgrading to kp50 i had issues with cleven with a message of no compatibility .....14:07
Palidid you updated injection drivers?14:07
a-nightfuryPali no14:08
Paliso update it14:08
Paliit is written in first post on TMO kp50 thread14:08
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a-nightfuryPali, let me check14:08
a-nightfuryPali, please post the link14:12
DocScrutinizer~kp5014:14
DocScrutinizermeh, what's with her again?14:14
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Palihttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8311814:15
a-nightfuryPali, Packet injection wifi driver (optional) .......... this part right14:16
Paliyes14:16
DocScrutinizerPali: pretty please edit your URL links in that post. They are all truncated to oblivion14:20
a-nightfuryPali, is there a tutorial on how to install the drivers14:22
kent_autistichey yall how do i delay HAM's update checking (or disable it compeletely?). i remember there's a command line entry but cant find it thanks!14:22
DocScrutinizerkent_autistic: ??14:23
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DocScrutinizeryou can set the frequency of scheduled automatic update14:24
kent_autisticwhen i connect to the internet, HAM automatically checks for app updates.14:24
kent_autisticyeah, how? or can i disable it?14:24
DocScrutinizerPali: for >>First from 'U-Boot for Nokia RX-51 with BootMenu thread' install...<< you got a nice link. Please do same for the 9 links at top of that post14:25
kent_autisticit eats up cpu whenever i connect to the internet14:25
DocScrutinizerhmm, see http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check14:26
kent_autisticsalamat!14:26
DocScrutinizerit's not recommended to set the tmespan to >10 years14:27
DocScrutinizerprobably once a year would be just fine14:27
DocScrutinizerwhat salad?14:28
a-nightfuryPali, is there a tutorial on how to install the drivers14:30
TermanaIt's Filipino salad14:30
Palia-nightfury, somewhere in thread somebody written it14:31
a-nightfuryPali, ok thanks a lot I will get back to you if things didn't work right or done14:32
kent_autisticsalad? haha its ty in filipino :)14:34
a-nightfuryPali, why don't write your own tutorial ?????????14:35
Palibecause I did not have time for that14:35
a-nightfuryPali, I see Hopefully you will one you have time14:37
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narcosHey all - I need to use sftp from the command line on my N900 - but the openssh-server install doesn't seem to come with the binary...?14:42
obcecado_what about openssh-client ?14:43
StyXmanyeah14:43
narcosEr, that's a good point14:44
narcosI'm sure on the Desktop it was included in openssh-server14:45
* narcos feels silly14:45
* narcos installs openssh-client14:45
StyXmannarcos: feel sillier:14:46
StyXmanmdione@mustang:~/src/projects/satyr/git$ dpkg -L openssh-server | grep bin14:46
StyXman/usr/sbin14:46
StyXman/usr/sbin/sshd14:46
StyXman:)14:46
x29a:>14:47
* narcos shuffles away quietly14:48
obcecado_im gladly testing dsp profile with SR enabled14:52
obcecado_everything seems smooth so far14:52
lolcatDocScrutinizer: I am checking out mer and looking into  making a kernel14:58
lolcatThey said if I did that they would make drivers14:58
lolcatWich sounds like a good deal14:58
lolcatIf they make the drivers I can mix up my own debian based phone OS. The hildon UI can't be that hard to recreate14:59
lolcatAnd I guess the mer people will make dialers and such15:00
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DocScrutinizerhey, I can make 2 dialers in two minutes, within two posts in this channel ;-D15:16
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DocScrutinizerif however they work like you would like and live up to your expectations is highly doubtful15:17
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DocScrutinizeresp both need a working libisi to talk to the modem at all, plus probably some other stuff15:20
DocScrutinizerlolcat: I's ask mer guys if their notion of meaning of "drivers" includes such things like libisi etc15:22
lolcatThey are using oFono15:23
lolcatas a dialer15:23
DocScrutinizerthought as much15:23
lolcatThere is no libisi for linux?15:23
DocScrutinizerno15:23
DocScrutinizerophono must have something similar15:24
luke-jr15:24
DocScrutinizerbut then ophono is orphaned as well, aiui15:24
lolcatThey said oFono with an F as in ofono.org15:24
DocScrutinizererrr ofono of course15:25
lolcatProbably pronounced the same though15:25
luke-jroFono just released 1.515:25
luke-jrN900 support is unmaintained since before 1.015:25
DocScrutinizerthe fools that called fso a crippled AT interface and refused collaboration or merge, while they themselves came up with a crippled AT interface later on15:26
lolcatAT?15:26
luke-jrI managed to get 1.0 working on N900 fully, though15:26
DocScrutinizerhayes AT commadset15:26
DocScrutinizerata ITA07.07 or somesuch15:26
DocScrutinizeraka15:27
RST38hDoc:any idea why harmattan media plyer keeps showing "cannot play this video" message over *some* spots in *some* videos?15:27
DocScrutinizeror was it IEA?15:27
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: I'm not so worried about an AT interface I don't use, as much as glib dependencies ;)15:27
DocScrutinizerRST38h: DSP breaks?15:28
RST38hdunno, looks like it has been designed in15:28
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DocScrutinizerthe various encodings are not always according to the mere clean nice specs, e.g regarding max number of I-frames between those anchor frames15:29
DocScrutinizerI once looked into the topic quite some years ago. There's a lot of mess in there15:30
DocScrutinizerall the formats define certain maxima for all the parameters (samplingrate, number of iframes, whatnot else) and not all media files are encoded in a way so they all the time comply with those restrictions15:31
DocScrutinizersome decoders can cope with that, others not15:32
ShadowJKRST38h; probably it crashes on that video because of a bug in the decoder15:34
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: ofono guys used "AT interface" as a swearword, which it actually is in that regard. However fso implements a proper abstract dbus API, while ofono much more implemented something resembling a perverted AT API15:35
ShadowJKAlso h264 defines like 6 different profiles with increasing coding complexity, multiplies by like 6 different levels of bandwidth/res/fps limits :P15:35
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: can also be a bug in media file15:36
ShadowJKYes of course, but the decoder mustn't crash on that15:36
DocScrutinizerindeed15:36
DocScrutinizerbut DSP, you know... :-S15:36
DocScrutinizermaybe it doesn't even crash but just throws exception15:37
ShadowJKlibav/ffmoeg guys actually crashproof by flipping random bits in the datastructure of random files, until the decoder crashes, and then the decoder is fixed to not crash15:37
DocScrutinizerwhich in turn results in what RST38h reports15:37
ShadowJKas well as having error detection and error concealment modes15:37
ShadowJKYeah it's probably something like that15:38
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DocScrutinizerin the end, what else is DSP supposed to do, than just blackout video signal and tell API "I can't do that!"15:38
DocScrutinizerideally conituing to read media and trying to resync15:39
DocScrutinizereventually15:39
ShadowJKskip ahead to next data that passes sanity check, perform the sane-looking steps on the damaged area anyway, and apply strong blur filter on it15:40
DocScrutinizer==resync15:40
ShadowJKya15:40
DocScrutinizerLOL on blur filter15:40
ShadowJKWhen you have error concealment techniques, and the original file is made using data partitioning, you can have a watchable result even if like 1% of bits are wrong15:43
DocScrutinizerusually no wrong bits but "rogue" commands in there15:44
* RST38h sighs: android is such a cesspool of crackers...15:44
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DocScrutinizerindeed15:45
DocScrutinizerthat's why I deprecate andridiot15:45
jaskawhat type of crackers?15:45
jaskaedible? copy-protection removers? scriptkiddies?15:45
DocScrutinizerscriptkiddies sounds about correct15:46
DocScrutinizermaybe call them flakes15:46
jaskadont really ever use it outside work anyway, and even then not use, just bang out code15:46
lolcatWhat does AT do?15:47
lolcatAnd android is  so lame, you don't know whats going on15:47
DocScrutinizerlolcat: do you know wikipedia?15:47
lolcatyes15:47
DocScrutinizeraaah and google for (now I recall) ETSI07.0715:47
RST38hAnd Java "security" can't really be used without quotes15:48
RST38hBut lots, *lots* of *very* importat sounding people with very elaborate software frameworks supposed to implement security in Java15:48
DocScrutinizeror 07.05?15:49
RST38hKids actually no longer crack this stuff by hand, there are script for automated cracking of Android apks15:49
lolcatcrack packages?15:51
DocScrutinizerlolcat: esp for you, lazy lad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_AT15:51
DocScrutinizerlolcat: and here comes your "dialer" #1:15:53
DocScrutinizerpnatd15:53
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DocScrutinizerthat's really all you need to type to xterm, to get a "dialer" in maemo. Just you need to key in "ATD" before you enter number. instead of green button you hit <enter>15:54
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lolcatDocScrutinizer: Awesome15:54
V-illeis there any way to reset an n9 if I don't have the security code?15:55
lolcatI just have to get some linux to boot on the note15:55
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Maceruhm16:35
jpinxIs there any way to prevent my GPRS connection automatically going to 3g when it's available? Just using  with 2G or 2.5G16:35
jpinxNokia N90016:35
tadzikhuh, does GPRS switch to 3G when you're on 2G when not connected?16:35
tadzikthe label in my status bar says 2.5 even when I'm internet-connected16:35
jpinxmine appears to opt for the fastest service available16:36
tadzikwhat are you using for switching it to 2G?16:36
jpinxI'm not - that's the question - I want manual switching between <3G and3G+16:37
tadzikI'm using some applet for that, I'll look up the name for ya16:37
jpinxbecause I have strange deals with the provider here and I want to keep my 3G for bi downloads16:37
jpinxtadzik: cheers ;)16:37
tadzikjpinx: seems to be http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/3g2g-mode-selection-applet/16:38
tadzikhope this helps :)16:38
jpinxtadzik: thanks - looking...16:38
SpeedEvil2g/3g switcher16:40
SpeedEviloh16:40
SpeedEvilyeah - that16:40
* SpeedEvil should read to the end of scroll16:40
tadzikby the way: does anyone have any strong data on its influence on battery life?16:41
SpeedEvilOf what?16:41
tadzikhow much does switching to 2g really help16:41
SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption16:42
SpeedEvilIn short - for slow, regular data transmission - 2G wins hands-down16:42
SpeedEvilfor large bursts, occausionally - 3g16:42
tadzikindeed, looks convincing16:42
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tadzikso switching the hardware lock screen button is actually suspending the phone?16:44
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SpeedEvilUmm.16:47
SpeedEvilSuspend is a term that isn't quite valid with maemo.16:47
SpeedEvilNormally.16:47
SpeedEvilIt just - hopefully - goes idle.16:47
tadzikyeah, that confuses me. So suspend only happens when you explicitely tell kernel to do so?16:49
tadzikAs in echo mem > /sys/power/state16:49
tadzikotherwise I'd be suprised that gsm still works in this state16:50
SpeedEvilyes16:51
SpeedEvilGSM is quite irrelevant16:51
SpeedEvilIt's handled by another (two) cores.16:51
SpeedEvilNot on the main chip.16:51
tadzikoh, interesting16:51
SpeedEvilHowever, unfortunately, the GSM modem is configured so it interrupts the CPU on changes of signal state.16:52
SpeedEvilWhich means you can't actually echo mem >... without it waking up every 30s16:52
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tadzikyeah17:00
SpeedEvilOTOH.17:00
SpeedEvilThat just means ~6 days standby, not ~917:00
tadzikoh, maybe you guys know, or know of some reading. How does GSM protocol work? Is the phone completely passive, just receiving the signal, or is it sending something too?17:01
SpeedEvilIt's bidirectional, but the tower is in control.17:01
tadzikand when it's looking for a signal, is it better to stand still, or it does not matter at all?17:01
tadzikoh, wait17:01
tadziks/GSM/GPS/17:01
SpeedEvilAh17:01
tadzikI don't suppose phone has a power to reach the satellite17:02
SpeedEvilFor GPS - the receiver is completely passive.17:02
SpeedEvilBut, it may want to do transmission over the phone network to get sagtellite info17:02
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tadzikI think it does so17:04
tadzikbut I have mixed feeling about effect of this signaling on the success rate of reaching the satellite signal17:05
DocScrutinizeryou need supl.google.com to get decent TTFF17:06
SpeedEvilIt depends - I haven't quite worked out what it is.17:06
DocScrutinizersupl.nokia.com is known to have bitrotten to death17:06
SpeedEvilGetting a fix a few hours before you actually need GPS helps17:06
tadzikwhere do I change that?17:06
DocScrutinizersettings :-)17:07
SpeedEvilAh - that would explain why I had issues earlier this week.17:07
SpeedEvilI'd forgotten to change that on this phone17:07
tadzikheh, sounds reasonable, yeah :)17:07
tadzikchanged, DocScrutinizer++17:07
DocScrutinizerI wonder if we could ship a reminder pkg with next CSSU, to pop up a requester asking "do you want to use supl.google.com instead of broken supl.nokia.com? bla explain blub..."17:10
tadziksound reasonable17:11
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: Pali: MohammadAG: ^^^^17:11
tadzikare there more servers like this one? I'm not quite fond of Google17:11
DocScrutinizerwell, I guess there's a couple, but most of them are strictly for-our-customers17:12
tadzikI see17:12
DocScrutinizeryou might want to ask aunt google about supl servers17:13
tadzikheh, nokia advises to use supl.google.com17:13
dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: is there a reproducible test-case for the 'brokenness'?17:14
merlin1991tadzik: where?17:14
tadzikor it's just "thenokiablog.com", may not be Nokia itself17:14
tadzikprobably not nokia at all; disregard17:14
* dm8tbr would be very interested to get detailed instructions how to reproduce the 'supl' problem17:15
tadzikdm8tbr: launch some gps-using software, let it use A-GPS, spend the next n minutes waiting17:15
DocScrutinizerHAH - http://thenokiablog.com/2009/12/16/google-location-server-supl/17:15
tadzikI can reproduce it with those spets17:15
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: ^^^17:16
tadzikyeah, that's the one I found to17:16
tadziks/to/too17:16
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dm8tbrthat's not exactly a good instruction *sigh*17:17
dm8tbrdoes it only happen in certain parts of the world or everywhere?17:17
dm8tbrthat blog post mentions it worked in amsterdam but didn't in the US17:17
tadzikit really sucks in Poland, as far as I can sya17:18
dm8tbrtadzik: which operator in poland?17:18
tadzikdm8tbr: Play17:18
tadzikaka P4, methinks17:18
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dm8tbrhrm, might need to buy me a play starter tomorrow17:19
tadzikoh, you're from Poland?17:19
dm8tbrI'm in Finland today, but tomorrow I'll be on a business trip in Poland17:20
tadzikI see17:20
tadzikPlay is the cheapest one, I think, and the prizes for internet packets are quite reasonable, I think17:21
dm8tbrI'm mostly using orange as they fit my very rare usage scheme best. I only visit every now and then for a week17:22
DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: I think it's nokia supl server, not related to data carrier (modulo RRNLP or what's the name, the GSM based hidden AGPS layer)17:24
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DocScrutinizerand I'd not be surprised it's once more an auth issue at nokia17:25
DocScrutinizerNB AGPS fails independently of 2G, 3G, WLAN...17:26
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DocScrutinizerso investigating GPRS issues seems kinda not to the point really17:27
DocScrutinizerprobably tshark is the tool to investigate this issue17:28
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DocScrutinizerand almost same issue been seen for diablo AGPS17:30
DocScrutinizerand probably also for HARM - after all the URL supl.nokia.com will resolve to same IP for all three devices/OS17:32
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tadzikhuh17:37
tadzikhaving screen blacked out (not locked, just black because of time passed) and keybord open, a keyboard blinks from time to time. Any ideas where might that come from?17:37
SpeedEvilhave you set R+D mode?17:37
SpeedEvilUnset it17:37
DocScrutinizerindeed17:38
tadzikif I do, gainroot won't work anymore17:38
DocScrutinizerBWAHAHAHA sorry17:38
DocScrutinizerinstall rootsh!17:38
tadzikI have it installed17:39
tadzikthere's a reason I turned R+D on17:39
tadzikrootsh just tells me "if you want to break your phone turn RD mode one"17:39
tadziks/one/on/17:39
DocScrutinizerno way17:39
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DocScrutinizerthat's NOT rootsh17:39
DocScrutinizerthat'S what maemo says when rootsh pkg NOT installed17:39
tadzikhmm, hold on17:40
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tadzikit's not rootsh that is responsible for 'sudo gainroot'?17:40
DocScrutinizerbtw you should use cmd `root' rather than `sudo gainroot'17:40
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DocScrutinizercmd root comes with rootsh pkg17:41
tadzikI've just tried that one for the first time, but I assure you, sudo gainroot forced me to turn R&D on17:41
tadzikI wouldn't have bothered otherwise17:41
DocScrutinizerI assure you we all have seen this nonsensical msg, and we all installed rootsh pkg instead of enabling R&D17:42
tadzikokay17:42
tadzikinteresting though17:42
FIQ|n900what does it even want to say?17:43
FIQ|n900if it's so easy to gain proper root (hell, Nokia even used it as one of the sellpoints iirc?), why does it do that17:44
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DocScrutinizerroot access doesn't come per default17:44
DocScrutinizeryou either enable R&D or install rootsh from extras17:45
FIQ|n900or install openssh :)17:45
FIQ|n900but yeah17:45
* FIQ|n900 just installed rootsh and fiddled with sudo and then got rid of rootsh17:46
DocScrutinizermeh17:46
FIQ|n900s/sudo/\/etc\/sudoers/17:46
DocScrutinizergetting rid of rootsh means you replaced the rootsh sudoers file with your own, as that's all rootsh does: add proper sudoers line17:47
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FIQ|n900I suppose17:47
V-illeFIQ|n900: it's of course so Dangerous to enable root access. People do it anyway, and it _is_ a selling point for the devices.17:47
DocScrutinizerbut rootsh also ships a nice oneliner shellscript called `root' which is the supposed way to get *real* root17:48
ShadowJKenabling it is fine. doing random shit while root isn't :P17:48
ShadowJK"gainroot" is equivalent to "su", which doesn't replace user environment17:48
FIQ|n900V-ille: i said, IIRC, I read it somewhere, maybe the source was wrong, or I remember incorrectly17:48
ShadowJKso you need a "su -" after that to get root environment, or just use "root" in the first place17:49
DocScrutinizerhaving no clue and having no clue about having no clue - that's the most dangerous thing and root of all problems17:49
tadzikDocScrutinizer: okay, it works fine. Thank you17:49
DocScrutinizerYW17:49
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FIQ|n900also there's one thing I didn't understand when I edited sudoers -- why did Nokia do a weird update-sudoers script that cluttered the file with way more things that should be necessary?17:52
DocScrutinizerbtw R&D mode is not recommended for everyday usage for a number of reasons. Power consumption for several debug systems only one of them17:53
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DocScrutinizerFIQ|n900: you mustn't edit /etc/sudoers. update-sudoers is just aggregating all the files in etc/sudoers.d/* into that file17:54
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tadzikhttp://imgur.com/IHd3Y -- any ideas what does he want?17:55
DocScrutinizersince our sudo is too old to know about sudoers.d (or any directories)17:55
FIQ|n900ok17:56
ShadowJKupdate-* sounds like a debian thing ;p17:56
FIQ|n900tadzik: try to get dist-upgrade to work for some reason17:57
FIQ|n900which will just break the device17:58
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FIQ|n900even though the apt error message doesn't make sense since the dependicies are met.17:58
DocScrutinizerhe wants to install sysv.init - OMG18:00
tadzikprobably upstart wants some backwards comp.18:00
FIQ|n900glhf with that18:00
FIQ|n900tadzik: apt tells that it needs 3:1.6.1.legal-1osso8 or newer, and I'm sure 3.1.10.1.legal-1osso30 is newer.18:02
DocScrutinizerwell, I have no F'ing clue what's the purpose of all that in this "screenshot", but quite obviously it's as wrong as it can get18:02
FIQ|n900that's what i meant with apt not making sense, not that this will do any good anyway, but... yeah18:02
DocScrutinizerPEBKAC18:02
DocScrutinizerapt msgs sound reasonable enough to me18:03
tadzikFIQ|n900: yeah, I noticed that too. Maybe some version parsing fail18:03
DocScrutinizermaybe YOU SHOULDN'T TRY TO INSTALL sysv-init on an upstart system?18:04
tadzikoh ffs, chill out a bit18:04
DocScrutinizermaybe you shouldn't do dist-upgrade?18:04
tadzikwhy wouldn't I?18:04
DocScrutinizer[2012-04-15 16:57:59] <FIQ|n900> tadzik: try to get dist-upgrade to work for some reason18:05
DocScrutinizer[2012-04-15 16:58:16] <FIQ|n900> which will just break the device18:06
ShadowJKplain "upgrade" is a bad idea too ;p18:06
DocScrutinizerindeed18:06
tadzikokay. Is there a specific reason why dist-upgrade is broken? Is the official package manager cheating somehow, and not using apt-get behind the scenes?18:07
ShadowJKThe official manager knows of rules and dependencies that apt does not18:07
DocScrutinizerit's using apt-get but not upgrade18:07
ShadowJKand also official manager runs scripts that apt doesn't know of18:07
tadzikokay, I see18:07
DocScrutinizerthe reason behind all this being Nokia's weird metapackage that includes 99% of maemo18:08
ShadowJKIt's okay for some simple things, not part of the base system and not part of the maemo stack.18:08
DocScrutinizera concept that doesn't play nicely with general debian packaging18:09
FIQ|n900maemo-generic-community-pr?18:09
FIQ|n900or whatever it was named18:09
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PaliDocScrutinizer, no idea if it is possible to change supl server by default via cssu18:11
DocScrutinizernot per default, just rising a requester, and change it when user agrees18:12
ShadowJKanyone tried ask nokia why their server doesn't work?18:13
DocScrutinizerPali: the server is in gconf: /system/nokia/location/supl/server18:13
Paliok18:14
DocScrutinizergconftool -R /system/nokia/location/supl18:15
ShadowJKAlthough I did open a bug about Diablo agps no longer working with supl.nokia.com a year or two ago...18:16
ShadowJKbtw, supl.google.com has also at times not worked for fremantle :P18:16
FIQ|n900my GPS has never worked the last year, I think it's because I broke it when I feeded my N90018:18
FIQ|n900I don't miss it18:18
DocScrutinizerfeeded it??18:18
FIQ|n900I gave it food unintentionally18:19
FIQ|n900or more like a drink18:19
DocScrutinizernever feed it after midnight! ;-P18:19
FIQ|n900It worked fine afterwards except for the GPS chip18:19
DocScrutinizer:nod:18:19
DocScrutinizerGPS is most delicate18:19
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FIQ|n900I never used it seriously anyway18:20
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DocScrutinizeriirc it's also the only tincan you can't open18:20
DocScrutinizerfor some reason18:20
DocScrutinizereven a separate lid wouldn't shield the way it's needed for GPS18:21
FIQ|n900heh18:21
DocScrutinizerat least that's my take on it18:22
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jpinxupdates over gprs are painfully slow :(19:01
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* SpeedEvil suspects DocScrutinizer's adding to bugzilla on GPS may not have any point at this date :)19:08
freemangordonwell, maybe open a bug agains CSSU?19:09
freemangordon*against19:09
* dm8tbr still wonders if anyone tried to get an answer from nokia on this topic19:09
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dm8tbrthis location stuff seems to be important for them, imagine what if it's also broken on !n90019:10
freemangordoncould be that just a few servers are affected, i've bever had any problem with here19:11
freemangordonit might be location specific19:11
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: DocScrutinizer is well aware19:19
SpeedEvil:)19:19
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DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: for N8x0/diablo it's clearly stated it was/is indeed location specific, via geoIP/loadbalancing/whatever19:21
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: the suggestion been to replace supl.nokia.com with a correct IP of a known good server from the supl.nokia distributed farm19:22
freemangordonyeah, i saw that19:23
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DocScrutinizeranyway runour has it now it's completely fsckdup for everybody on diablo19:24
freemangordoncan we do it by simply using /etc/hosts?19:24
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DocScrutinizerhaven't heard of nor tested supl.google.com with diablo19:25
DocScrutinizernot even needed19:25
DocScrutinizerthe setting takes IP as well as URL19:25
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ShadowJKI tried changing gconf /system/osso/supl/19:25
luke-jrugh19:25
luke-jrbiggest failure of N900:19:25
luke-jrNO CASE19:25
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ShadowJKbut it was still trying to connect to supl.nokia19:26
ShadowJKget a case?19:26
DocScrutinizerduh19:26
luke-jrI'm constantly dropping it because it doesn't fit the N810 case19:26
luke-jrany ideas on fixing a broken lens-cover19:26
luke-jr?19:26
* dm8tbr got himself a nice leather n900 case by nokia19:26
freemangordonand that is n900 failure?!?19:26
luke-jrfreemangordon: yes19:26
freemangordonnot fitting your n810 case?19:26
luke-jrN810 came with a case.19:26
freemangordonhmm, i see19:27
DocScrutinizerrather a pouch19:27
ShadowJKthought the N810 case sucks at preventing drops?19:27
ShadowJKsince yeah, pouch19:27
luke-jrShadowJK: at least it's tight enough that when it falls, the case goes with it19:27
ShadowJKthe N800 case is more like a furry mitten19:27
luke-jrand keeps it safe basically19:27
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luke-jralmost 100% of my N900's damage is to the back cover19:28
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: yeah, same way as cups don't prevent tea from falling down when you hold them upside down ;-D19:28
* ShadowJK can still count on two hands the number of times he's dropped N90019:28
luke-jrshirt pocket.19:28
DocScrutinizer2 times here19:29
luke-jranyhow, how to fix lenscover?19:29
DocScrutinizernot19:29
DocScrutinizerget new battery lid19:29
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, until it is clear who and when changes supl.google.com to supl.nokia.com /etc/hosts might work AIUI19:29
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: where from?19:29
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: who and when changes??? wut?19:30
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: fleabay19:30
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luke-jronly see full N900s there <.<19:30
DocScrutinizersigh19:30
SpeedEvilI think I have a spare back.19:30
SpeedEvil- RMA doesn't want cover19:30
freemangordonDocScrutinizer, i think there was a report that on reboot the sever changes back to nokia's19:30
SpeedEvilBut I have no idea where it is.19:31
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: http://www.ecaseshop.com/nokia-n900-housing-faceplate-cover-gold-p-3673.html19:31
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luke-jrsurely there must be some way to remove this silver lining holding the lenscover on19:31
DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: WUT?19:31
freemangordonyeah, can't remember whether it was on TMO or in some irc chat19:32
freemangordoncould be wrong, but that could be easily tested, give a couple of minutes to reboot19:32
DocScrutinizerlemme check my setting19:32
freemangordonhmm, false alarm19:33
DocScrutinizer*nope*19:33
freemangordonwell, that is a clear candidate for CSSU19:33
DocScrutinizersure, requester asking user if he wants to use the better supl server setting19:34
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DocScrutinizera 30min project19:34
DocScrutinizer5kByte app19:35
DocScrutinizertotal pkg size19:35
freemangordonwell, the correct approach would be to RE liblocation_applet.so19:35
DocScrutinizerI insist on credits for the idea ;-P19:35
DocScrutinizerWUT???19:35
freemangordonmost probably the default is there, lemme chack19:36
DocScrutinizerthe correct way is along dbus-send $requester_yes_no && gconftool --setkey /system/nokia/location/supl/server string "supl.google.com", in postinst of the package19:37
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freemangordonagree, the default is not in applet19:38
DocScrutinizerbtw now I have to insist already in credit for *implementation* of the "app", leaving packaging to somebody else ;-D19:39
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luke-jrhmm cute19:48
luke-jrthere's a little metal thing that helps lock the lenscover in place19:48
luke-jrit came out of the hole it fits in19:48
luke-jr*fixed*19:48
luke-jrnow I just need to find some glue to hold the silver thing down again19:49
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luke-jrfun,  no glue at all x.x19:50
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jonwilhi20:04
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DocScrutinizerhi jonwil - long time no see :-D20:26
jonwildecided to pop in for a while mostly because of the chats on the mailing list that seem to be about the future of maemo20:27
jonwiljust wanted to see if anyone can tell me exactly whats going on20:27
DocScrutinizerohwell, future of maemo20:27
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DocScrutinizerbasicaly business as usual, with some folks getting excited as there's council election in a few days20:28
DocScrutinizersome other folks getting upset since finally xfade popped up again20:29
jonwilwho is xfade?20:29
DocScrutinizerand those folks are now upset about the breakdown in communication to Nokia/nemein/whomever during the last 6 months20:30
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DocScrutinizer[2012-04-15 19:30:29] [Whois] X-Fade ist ~xfade@d5152FFD8.static.telenet.be (Niels Breet)20:30
DocScrutinizer[2012-04-15 19:30:29] [Whois] X-Fade hat Benutzerstatus in den Kanälen: #harmattan #maemo #meego #mer #nemomobile20:30
DocScrutinizeralso our contact to infra administrarion, AIUI20:31
jonwilfrom the list posts it sounds like there are certain people who think that the community should try to secure redistribution rights for all the important stuff now just in case the worst happens20:32
DocScrutinizersounds reasonable20:32
jonwili.e. the SDK installer, SDK nokia-binaries repos, phone flasher tools, phone firmware images and phone repositories20:32
luke-jrMaemo has a future?20:32
jonwilIt has a future in the sense that I have no plans to stop using it anytime soon... :P20:33
DocScrutinizer+120:33
luke-jrjonwil: join my quest to get Gentoo fully functional!20:33
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jonwilGentoo on an N900? No thanks, keeping Gentoo going on my desktop is hard enough :P20:34
luke-jraww20:34
luke-jrbut I have GPRS and almost voice calls!20:34
dre-samosirhello20:34
DocScrutinizer"almost voicecalls"??? HAH20:34
dre-samosirI want to ask what is /usr/bin/hildon-input-method? thanks20:34
dre-samosirwhat does it do?20:35
jonwilIts used for the input devices20:35
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: yeah, the same almost I had in Dec!20:35
jonwili.e. the keytboards20:35
jonwilkeyboards20:35
dre-samosirthanks jonwil20:35
DocScrutinizerthe same 'almost' that SHR got since 6 months20:35
dre-samosirbut why does it use 95% of my processor? my battery drained in less than 2 hours these weeks because of that20:36
luke-jrexcept SHR does it wrong <.<20:36
* jonwil doubts that fully functioning voice calls will happen without the nokia binary pulse audio bits, especially as its impossible to know just what those blobs are actually doing...20:36
luke-jrjonwil: too late.20:36
jonwilthen again I dont know how important those are20:36
jonwilI know they do speaker protection20:36
jonwiland probably things like echo cancellation or whatever it is20:37
luke-jryeah, that'd be nice to get in the kernel20:37
DocScrutinizer???? EEEW!20:37
DocScrutinizermaybe kernel can cut my toenails as well? ;-P20:37
dre-samosiris there any possible way to limit/disable the hildon-input-method without ruining the N900 everyday use? thanks20:38
DocScrutinizerdre-samosir: that's definitely a defect of any kind20:38
DocScrutinizerI.E. shouldn't20:39
dre-samosirhumm it uses 95% processor at any time...20:39
DocScrutinizerand odds are it might be a hw defect20:39
dre-samosiroh20:39
dre-samosirsay, I got a borked one?20:39
DocScrutinizerinvestigating this issue isn't easy though20:39
jonwilspeaking of gentoo, I should run another emerge run20:40
DocScrutinizerdre-samosir: check all your keys of kbd if they work like supposed to. Also check your touchscreen for correct exact operation20:40
jonwilif I dont update often enough, I end up in a situation where upgrading is a pain because of dependency hell :P20:40
DocScrutinizerdre-samosir: if all seems in perfect condition, I suggest a reflashing of COMBINED20:41
dre-samosirDocScrutinizer, my touchscreen works but not as sensitive as when I first bought it. and also, the Fn + Sym doesn't work at all now20:41
DocScrutinizerof course after doing a proper backup20:41
dre-samosirCOMBINED?20:42
DocScrutinizerhmm, if the key got stuck mechanically, you'd quite likely see the symptoms you described20:42
dre-samosirjonwil, Gentoo, aite? even Fedora gives me dependency hell.20:43
DocScrutinizerthe file called *COMBINED*20:43
DocScrutinizeras opposed toVANILLA20:43
dre-samosirDocScrutinizer, from the outside it looks like no mechanically stuck key20:43
DocScrutinizertoldya investigation is not easy at all20:44
dre-samosirlol20:44
SpeedEvildre-samosir: you know the sequence matters?20:45
dre-samosir?20:45
dre-samosirno SpeedEvil. elaborate, please.20:45
* DocScrutinizer waves20:45
dre-samosirsorry, 2 years with N900 and Linux Mint, and even Mandrake long ago but I know I'm still noob20:46
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Siceloi take it he meant Fn + Sym != Sym + Fn20:48
dre-samosiroh true, Sicelo and SpeedEvil20:48
dre-samosirit's always Fn first and Sym second20:48
SpeedEvilhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1035420:49
povbotBug 10354: Symbol virtual keyboard inconsistent to access from hardware keyboard.20:49
SpeedEvilthat20:49
dre-samosirthat's exactly why I know the combination doesn't work20:49
SpeedEvilretarded broken-by-design20:49
Macerheh20:50
dre-samosiroh dang. no.20:50
jpinxI have 2 N900's plugged into my XP laptop, one in PCmode doing the gprs connection, and the other in mass-storae mode (for now) Is there any way to get the 2nd N900 to share the connection used by the laptop through the first N900 ?20:55
dre-samosirup till few weeks ago there's no trouble with the hw keys. i guess it's the Ctrl/Sym key that's broken now. I can reach other blue keys with Fn20:55
dre-samosirso my N900 hw starts to break... sad...20:56
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dre-samosirI want to keep it for as long as possible because for me there's no other worthy replacement for N900 until now20:57
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dre-samosirnot even N9, no HW keys20:57
dre-samosir=(20:57
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: sorry, but drivers belong in kernel, including any "please don't let Joe Random App bust my device" limitations21:02
dre-samosirokay so can I check/open HW keys of N900 by myself?21:04
DocScrutinizerwhat got EC to do with drivers?21:04
DocScrutinizermaybe integrate gstreamer into kernel completely?21:04
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: I didn't mean EC, I meant the highpass filter21:05
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DocScrutinizerthe highpass is a hickup of nokia, due to their APE-centric audio thinking&paradigm. mixer/codec has absolutely fine filters21:06
luke-jr?21:07
luke-jryou mean there's no risk of busting my speakers by just using ALSA directly as-is?21:07
DocScrutinizerno, I mean this filter is a hardware function, not a sw function to implement in kernel by integrating signal processing21:08
DocScrutinizerNokia obvuously missed to exploit the codec digital filters21:09
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DocScrutinizerand implemented a last-minute bandaid to stop speaker busting shortly before release of N90021:09
jonwilso the audio chip itself contains this special logic?21:10
DocScrutinizerand of course they did in PA, as the hw department wasn't involved at that stage, and obviously nobody at SW dept had a clue21:10
DocScrutinizermixer has digital filters (third time now)21:11
DocScrutinizerif you call that "special logic" that's fine with me21:11
DocScrutinizerOTOH we don't even know what XPROT really does21:12
DocScrutinizerbut for sure it doesn't belong into kernel21:13
DocScrutinizerif only for the reals it's using21:13
DocScrutinizernothing in kernel should use float/real21:13
DocScrutinizernothing in kernel should do heavy signal processing on CPU either21:14
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DocScrutinizerooh, sorry, that's been jonwil who asked.21:15
DocScrutinizerjonwil: yes, the aic32 or whatever it's called has a nice set of parametric digital filters21:16
DocScrutinizerI think the guy's nick was HCM, did some proper development21:18
DocScrutinizeralas leading nopwhere as nobody picked up when the POC was ready21:18
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DocScrutinizerI think you see it nevertheless in some ALSA bits somewhere. Whenever there are long hex chunks for an ALSA parameter, that possibly is filter related21:19
* DocScrutinizer waves 2nd time, hopes to find way outa the door before sth stops him again21:21
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dre-samosirthanks jonwil, DocSrutinizer, Sicelo, guess I have to live with that keyboard for now...21:37
DocScrutinizer51dre-samosir: you could disassemble and cheack and clean21:37
DocScrutinizer51check*21:38
dre-samosiroh thanks a lot DocScrutinizer51, I'll do that tomorrow and will tell you if I come up with something21:39
DocScrutinizer51get the service manual L1_221:40
dre-samosirhuh? from where, DocScrutinizer51?21:40
DocScrutinizer51to access kbd you don't even need to open the philips screws21:40
DocScrutinizer51check  wiki21:40
dre-samosirreally? okay thanks21:41
DocScrutinizer51subsection hardware21:41
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DocScrutinizer51there are links in there, on some page's top21:41
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dre-samosirwill see21:42
DocScrutinizer51sorry afk atm21:42
dre-samosirthanks, DocScrutinizer5121:43
DocScrutinizer51so no bookmarks here21:44
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dre-samosirno prob21:45
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Macerblah. putting this tmobile g2 back together has proven to be a serious pain21:47
SpeedEvilMacer: :)21:48
Macerheh21:48
SpeedEvilIt's always more fun than taking apart.21:48
Maceri couldn't help it.. it was whispering to me21:48
Macertaking apart a phone is easy.. just take out whatever screws you can find hehe21:48
Maceri did it like 3 months ago and kind of left it on my counter :)21:48
dre-samosiroh yeah, SpeedEvil, thanks. missed u up there=)21:49
Macerthe memory of what i did kind of faded so it's more like a jigsaw puzzle now... i got the screen section put back togther tho.. with its stupid ribbon cable21:49
Macerthe entire phone runs off 1 ribbon cable :)21:50
Macerthat weaves its way through all the sections.. it's insane21:50
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godtrunkshi22:10
godtrunksi have a nokia n80022:10
godtrunkscan i update flash?22:10
godtrunksi try to whach something on youtube but no luck22:11
godtrunksany ideea?22:11
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Siceloi bet your answer is No, You can't (i could be wrong, but i suppose i'm not)22:12
godtrunksi can't whatch video on youtube?22:12
Siceloyou can't upgrade flash22:13
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godtrunkscan i do something to see vedeos on youtube?22:14
godtrunksi try with mobile version of you tube22:14
godtrunksbut i have error format not suported22:14
godtrunksany ideea?22:14
SpeedEviln800 - not 900?22:14
godtrunksn80022:15
SpeedEvilThere are users of the 800 around - wait around, and they may be abelt to answer22:15
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godtrunksok.22:15
godtrunksmy n900 is at warranty22:16
godtrunksthey change it with an n822:16
godtrunks:|22:16
godtrunksthat's crap22:16
godtrunksmy 3-rd n90022:17
godtrunksso with my n800?22:18
godtrunksany help?22:18
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peterbjornxguys, my NAND died i think23:00
peterbjornxkernel log: onenand_bbt_wait: ecc_error=0x2222 controller error 0x240023:01
peterbjornxBad eraseblock 1513 at 0xb2000023:02
peterbjornxCreating 0 MTD partitions on "omap2-onenand"23:02
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peterbjornxmakes me wonder how it is still booting23:02
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DocScrutinizerNAND has some "hidden" bad block management23:04
peterbjornxokay23:05
DocScrutinizerwithout the context this logline is hard to interpete23:05
peterbjornxit occurs at boot23:05
peterbjornxmaemo kernel without cpufreq and compiled in mmc, fbcon23:06
DocScrutinizerprobably completely normal then23:06
peterbjornxdoesnt wanna mount or even recognize nand partitions23:06
peterbjornxcreates no mtd devices23:06
DocScrutinizerhmm, then not normal I guess23:06
SpeedEvilbad eraseblocks are xpected23:06
DocScrutinizerindeed23:07
SpeedEvilah23:07
peterbjornxas the log shows, creating <B>0</B> partitions23:07
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DocScrutinizeryep23:07
DocScrutinizerdunno why23:07
peterbjornxany way to fix without chance of nuking bootloader or kernel?23:07
peterbjornxlooks like the bad block had the partition map on it23:08
DocScrutinizerreflash23:08
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DocScrutinizernah23:08
peterbjornxi dont have usb23:08
peterbjornxmy plan was to reflash using special kernel23:08
DocScrutinizerafaik there *is* no partiton map23:08
peterbjornxand mtd utils23:08
peterbjornxthen how does it know rootfs,initfs,log,kernel,config,loader?23:09
DocScrutinizerpartitioning kinda hardcoded to NOLO23:09
DocScrutinizerwhich in turn passes it to kernel23:09
peterbjornxand how does the kernel get this information?23:09
DocScrutinizervia atags23:09
peterbjornxlet me check config if i can force it to recognize partitions23:09
DocScrutinizernow don't ask me what's atags23:09
DocScrutinizernfc23:09
PaliDocScrutinizer, partitions are hardcoded into linux kernel23:10
DocScrutinizerooh23:10
DocScrutinizereven there?23:10
Palibut also hardcoded into uboot23:10
Paliand in nolo23:10
DocScrutinizeryep23:10
Paliin kernel it is somehere in board code23:10
Palibut nolo also pass it via special non standard atags23:11
peterbjornxso what makes my kernel ignore that and "make" no parts23:11
Pali(no idea if kernel using that parts atags)23:11
peterbjornxcause of 1 bad block23:11
peterbjornxany idea what source file its in23:11
Palipeterbjornx, going to find it23:11
peterbjornx0bd20000 looks like its in rootfs part to me23:12
peterbjornxso that should be such a big issue23:12
peterbjornxalso i think my headphone amp is dead23:14
peterbjornxtpa6130a2 : READ FAILED23:14
peterbjornxunexpected version 0x07 expecting 1 or 223:14
PaliDocScrutinizer, peterbjornx, in 2.6.28 nokia kernel is paritions received via atags23:19
Paliin upstream kernel (meego too) is paritions hardcoded23:20
DocScrutinizertoldya23:20
Paliin nokia stock kernel is n900 paritions evaluated in function n800_flash_init in file: arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-n800-flash.c23:21
Palireally board-n800-flash.c23:21
Paliseems that this code was not touched since n80023:21
DocScrutinizerquite possible, we even have a completely obsolete unused intrd partition23:22
Paliwas every n900 initfs partitions used?23:22
Pali*ever23:22
DocScrutinizerno23:22
Paliso why we have it??23:23
Pali4MB could go to rootfs23:23
DocScrutinizerfor same reason ;-D23:23
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PaliDocScrutinizer, partitions for n900 are hardcoded in NOLO23:23
DocScrutinizerit's hardcoded to NOLO, to flasher, to whatnot else23:23
Palido you think that NOLO was not touched too?23:23
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DocScrutinizernobody planned to touch NOLO, flasher, kernel, and initscripts, and then take risk he forgot something23:24
peterbjornxso what might be causing it to ignore the partitions23:24
PaliNOLO23:25
DocScrutinizeryozr kernel not atag compatible?23:25
Palicould be23:25
peterbjornxrx51_defconfig23:25
Palitry to flash stock kernel23:25
peterbjornxwith a few more compiled in thingys23:25
DocScrutinizerwrong parameters set at compile time?23:25
peterbjornxwhat ones should i be checking for23:25
Palido you flasing kernel or using uboot?23:26
DocScrutinizerooh, btw, you'll run into size/space problems with some more thingies compled in to kernel23:26
peterbjornxim using uboot23:26
peterbjornxbut i had mtd working before23:27
Palido you reusing atags?23:27
DocScrutinizerBZZZZZ23:27
peterbjornx?23:27
PaliITEM_USEATAG=123:27
DocScrutinizeruboot lives in kernel partition23:27
DocScrutinizer-> even less space for "thingies compiled in"23:27
peterbjornxim loading kernel from sd23:28
DocScrutinizeruboot already massively crippled due to size limitations23:28
peterbjornxmy kernel is 1.8mb23:29
Palimake sure you have ITEM_USEATAG=1 in your item file in u-boot23:29
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peterbjornxand ive messed with 2.8mb kernels without issues23:29
Paliif you have kernel in SD crad there size limit is 32MB23:29
peterbjornxi havent modified uboot23:29
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peterbjornxits the one from extras-devel23:29
Palialso are you using my last version of u-boot?23:29
Paliso no23:30
Palithen you cannot easy boot nokia kernel23:30
peterbjornx?23:30
Paliuse my last version which support passing atags23:30
peterbjornxcant flash :s23:30
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peterbjornxbut i always couldd access mtd with this uboot23:30
Paliall versions in extras-devel has more problems23:31
Paliflash via flasher-3.523:31
Palistock kernel23:31
peterbjornxcat /proc/atags yields: ATAT A<BLOCK>A<BLOCK>23:31
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DocScrutinizerusb :-/23:32
peterbjornxalso, kernel doesnt do bootreason anymore on real hw23:32
peterbjornxworks fine in qemu23:32
Palibootreason come from noloa via atags too23:33
peterbjornxcould it be that uboot nuked something when i tested a huge kernel (over 2mb)23:33
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PaliI think no23:34
Palibut no idea about old versions in extras-devel23:35
peterbjornxwhats normal bootstate?23:35
peterbjornxat preinit its BOOT23:35
peterbjornxbut when it executes events.d/dsme?23:35
peterbjornxUSER?23:35
DocScrutinizerFWIW: http://paste.debian.net/163346/23:35
peterbjornxmines diffrent ant only 110bytes23:37
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DocScrutinizerhttp://paste.debian.net/163347/23:37
peterbjornxok bootstate USER makes it go into charging mode23:39
peterbjornxi put maemo on my sd again23:39
peterbjornxseems to be booting23:39
peterbjornxbut my battery died23:39
peterbjornxand it went into charger mode23:39
peterbjornxi think im just going to have to live with a broken bootloader :s23:40
peterbjornxbut still doesnt explain why it was working before23:40
Palipeterbjornx, try to run set this: setenv atags ${nolo_atagaddr}23:41
peterbjornxit has that23:41
Palithis is way how to reuse atags in old u-boot version23:41
peterbjornxwhen i type printenv it shows that atags is set to that23:42
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Paliif this does not working, not idea what to do23:42
Paliok, now I'm going offline23:42
peterbjornxoh23:42
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peterbjornxit only does that for noloboot23:43
peterbjornxnow i need to make a boot.cmd + fat partition on sdcard23:43
peterbjornxas my phone isnt in rdmode23:43
peterbjornxalso ive been wondering for a while23:45
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peterbjornxwhat is the purpose of the flash hooked up to rapuyama23:46
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DocScrutinizer??23:53
DocScrutinizerit holds the cellmo FW?23:53
DocScrutinizermodem is a complete ARM system, with own flash, own RAM, own CPU(s)...23:54
DocScrutinizerhttp://gsmrapid.com/showthread.php?t=495723:57
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