IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-11-02

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[DarkGUNMAN]sorry, dropped out.00:16
[DarkGUNMAN]reason i need to share N900 wifi via usb is to get my laptop connected while I'm on holiday. reliable 300:17
[DarkGUNMAN]reliable 3g is not an option00:18
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UberNeoHi All .. regarding using the MAEMO from uSD card .. still i have one confusion ...00:55
UberNeoas per DocScrutinizer .. make changes in /lib/udev/mmc_id  by changing 0 to 1 and vice versa .. which makes sure that now onwards .. Kernel will detect uSD as mmcblk0 and EMMC as mmcblk100:56
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UberNeoif that is the case then no need to make any changes ..anywhere of changing .. mmcblk1 to mmcblk000:57
DocScrutinizeryes, exactly00:58
DocScrutinizerthat's the idea00:58
UberNeoi tried just by making changes only in '/lib/udev/mmc_id' .. but thts doesnt seems to be enough00:58
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DocScrutinizer[2011-10-31 04:14:43] <DocScrutinizer> UberNeo: no other edits should be needed, just what I suggested 2 line sabove00:59
UberNeoI have a reflashed the N900 again .. with no changes yet .. DocScrutinizer  lemme try it one more time ..00:59
UberNeoi will just make changes in /lib/udev/mmc_id with 0 to 1 and vice versa01:00
DocScrutinizeryes, and of course copy the whole unchanged /home /opt /whatnot to uSD01:00
UberNeoand then reboot .. with uSD card having exactly same partitions and already copied /home in p2 and MyDocs to P101:00
ColdFyreahh i saw a maemo update on my n900 and then i read the topic :(01:00
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DocScrutinizerUberNeo: maybe blkid needs a patching as well01:03
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UberNeoDocScrutinizer: what kind of patch01:03
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# blkid01:03
DocScrutinizer/dev/mmcblk1p1: UUID="4A7D-E054" TYPE="vfat"01:03
DocScrutinizer/dev/mmcblk1p2: UUID="87ca03c6-9060-4e1c-aa7d-1bab8dfab6f0" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"01:03
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DocScrutinizerI'm not entirely sure where from this info is gathered01:04
UberNeohow to apply that patch01:04
DocScrutinizer/dev/mmcblk0p1: LABEL="Nokia N900" UUID="4ACD-9F4D" TYPE="vfat"01:04
DocScrutinizer/dev/mmcblk0p2: LABEL="RX-51_2009SE_1.2" UUID="40b25a3e-1b57-40d3-8c4c-f90ac85f8b5d" TYPE="ext3"01:04
DocScrutinizerthat'S what cmd #> blkid; shows on a 'normal' N90001:04
DocScrutinizeriirc this info is from a file in /etc01:05
NIN101man page says /proc/partitions01:05
DocScrutinizerhmm, ok01:05
DocScrutinizerthen it should output correct "swapped" info on your edited system. Check it01:06
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UberNeookk .. I am rebooting .. with just changes made in /lib/udev/mmc_id01:06
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UberNeoblkid  -- after just making the changes in /lib/udev/mmc_id ( nothing else) - http://pastebin.com/wVPDABhf01:11
UberNeodmesg | grep mmc  -- http://pastebin.com/Knita0H201:12
UberNeomount -- http://pastebin.com/L6RPhe2J01:13
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UberNeodf -h http://pastebin.com/yhPE7BWT01:13
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UberNeofree - http://pastebin.com/Qv8NuXKF01:14
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NIN101MyDocs is wrong.01:15
UberNeoyes .. it shud be on /dev/mmcblk0p101:15
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UberNeoalso 2 old errors are back -- 1) Error in Opening Calender 2) Error in opening Photos Application01:16
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UberNeoNIN101: shall i use the same method as discusssed on that day of adding the line http://pastebin.com/a7d271xP in /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh01:18
UberNeoalso creating a startup script as http://pastebin.com/sKMq1xAC01:18
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NIN101yes this would work. More interesitng is that somehow the swap didn't work for MyDocs, whatever mounts it(ke-recv ?) ignores fstab and must be searching for it (via blkid?).01:22
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DocScrutinizerUberNeo: this will most likely break things on using mass storage mode01:30
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UberNeoafter adding the line http://pastebin.com/a7d271xP in /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh and add a new startup script as http://pastebin.com/sKMq1xAC  .. below are the new changes ..01:41
UberNeomount -- http://pastebin.com/mzuyPApS01:41
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UberNeostill the old issues .. 1) Error in Opening Calender 2) Error in opening Photos Application  3) No Video playing in Browser for Youtube .. 4) dbus-daemon .. consuming lots of CPU %01:42
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NIN101and why did it disappear last time?01:44
UberNeocoz .. last time .. it was actully started using the main System from EMMC ... coz of lots of messup in replacing mmcblk0 with mmcblk101:45
UberNeoNow it is totally on uSD .. both /home  .. /opt  -- MyDocs and Swap as well all on uSD01:46
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NIN101you copied with cp -a?01:51
UberNeoyess .. i did ..01:51
UberNeoboth p1 and p201:51
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UberNeoNokia-N900:/usr/bin# /usr/bin/image-viewer.launch01:53
UberNeoSegmentation fault01:54
DocScrutinizerseems ke-recv has hardcoded mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 and is caling /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh probably with eMMC mmcblk0 before it got even processed by udev, or at least for eMMC first. Once eMMC got mounted on MyDocs a furhter call for mounting uSD gets rejected by /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh (logger "$0: $PDEV is already mounted")01:54
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NIN101ke-recv starts after hildon-desktop01:56
DocScrutinizeras it's maybe a bit too hackerish to edit ke-recv binary, I suggest to convert mount calls to "mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs" to mmcblk101:56
DocScrutinizerin  /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh01:57
NIN101that's more or less what we did.01:57
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DocScrutinizeralso note that no MyDocs will get mounted from eMMC when the partition type doesn't meet b | c | e | 4 | 6 | 14 | 16 | 1b | 1c | 1e)01:59
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DocScrutinizerwhich would probably result in uSD MyDocs getting mounted instead02:00
DocScrutinizerI'm still concerned about blkid and the partition labels02:01
DocScrutinizerand UUIDs02:01
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DocScrutinizere.g. a missing partition label "Nokia N900" on mmcblk1p1 uSD would at very least create issues with filemanager etc02:03
UberNeobut File Manager is showing the label "Nokia N900"02:04
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UberNeoand also clicking that .. I am able to access the p1 of uSD card as well02:05
UberNeopdf reader is opening .. correctly02:05
DocScrutinizerwhat's output of blkid?02:05
NIN101I don't have such a partition label and everything works fine.02:06
DocScrutinizeramazing02:06
UberNeoblkid - http://pastebin.com/SJDyX7E402:06
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DocScrutinizeranyway I suggest to change partition type of eMMC p1 to something invalid, i.e. "not in >b | c | e | 4 | 6 | 14 | 16 | 1b | 1c | 1e<"02:07
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DocScrutinizerwhile you're at it, change type of your eMMC /dev/mmcblk1p2 as well02:09
UberNeoshall i give 0xfd (linux raid)  partition type to both /dev/mmcblk1p1 and /dev/mmcblk1p202:13
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UberNeoOld sfdisk -l --  http://pastebin.com/VexRXLu202:17
UberNeoAfter Partition change -- sfdisk -l -- http://pastebin.com/abY5spNE02:18
UberNeonow rebooting02:18
UberNeoNo change ... same issues ..02:20
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UberNeostill the old issues .. 1) Error in Opening Calender 2) Error in opening Photos Application  3) No Video playing in Browser for Youtube .. 4) dbus-daemon .. consuming lots of CPU %02:22
NIN101aiui /home/ is the problem here, your issues have nothing to do MyDocs.02:24
UberNeotop -- http://pastebin.com/hUyC8E8q02:25
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UberNeoalso after making the Partition Type changes.. n900 is behaving a bit slow ..02:39
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NIN101well, what now..: strace some programs which fail to start, see what the dbus-messages are saying. This may give you helpful hints of what is going wrong.02:47
jonwil anyone know who owns "http://browser.garage.maemo.org/"?02:49
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UberNeoi dnt need the applications like Calendar or Photos  .. but the dbus-daemon is eating the max of CPU .. thats the main prob for me now02:51
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UberNeoalso I am able to install application .. both by using Application Manager and apt-get on command line02:55
SpeedEvilI thought you'd gotten it working last night.02:59
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UberNeoya actually .. there was a more contribution from eMMC in that .. thats why it was working .. everything was not on uSD coz we had changed at many places from mmcblk0 to mmcblk103:00
UberNeonow all is on uSD03:01
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SpeedEvilAh03:01
SpeedEvilhmm03:01
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UberNeo  /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --nofork  -- consumin lots of CPU03:03
SpeedEvilWhat's sending mesages?03:06
UberNeodbus-monitor is giving hell lot of output continuously03:06
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SpeedEvilDump it to a file for a bit, and then sort to see what the most common ones are, sent by who03:09
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Kurt_could anyone help me flash my N900 its my first time o.O04:02
SpeedEvil~flashing04:03
infobotfrom memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware04:03
Kurt_SpeedEvil would it be better to flash or to use apps manager?04:06
SpeedEvilDepends.04:07
SpeedEvilWhat are you wanting to do?04:08
NIN101good night.04:08
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SpeedEvilNight.04:08
SpeedEvilgood lukc04:08
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Kurt_upgrade to the latest firmware i guess? cause its outdated.04:08
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UberNeoGood night everybody .. thanks for all the Inputs today .. will try to debug those dbus messages04:11
SpeedEvilGood luck!04:13
LaoLang_coolhappy maemoing!04:14
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jonwilhmmm, my N900 is telling me I can get that security update now10:22
psycho_oreosPR1.3.1?10:22
jonwilyes10:22
jonwilLets hope that means the bits for the cssu to ship drop soon10:23
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* valerius tried to install an new update for maemo 5 today -- deinstalled busybox and cannot install it again10:26
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jonwilworked flawlessly for me10:28
valeriusSo, I was need to reflash, today reinstalled all my software through gprs10:28
jonwilupdated some security related packages10:28
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psycho_oreosvalerius, would have been a better idea if you used backupmenu10:32
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valeriuspsycho_oreos backupmenu? thanks, will try...10:34
psycho_oreosvalerius, you'll need to create a backup first (obviously), and then you should be set.. I hope you do not have any other programs that uses fanoush's bootmenu10:35
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valeriusI still don't have, but want to try to install something like l4linux or l4android in the future, so I would probably need the bootmenu10:38
valeriusare they conflicting? why you hope I don't have such prrograms?10:39
psycho_oreosnever heard of l4linux or l4android and I don't think they'd be using fanoush's bootmenu. Afaik there are two projects that depends on fanoush's bootmenu, one of which is backupmenu by robbiethe1st10:39
psycho_oreosyes they conflict10:39
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valeriusl4linux and l4android are respectively, linux and android working deprivileged over l4 microokernel. L4/Fiasco and l4linux could be compiled for ARM architecture10:42
valeriusthey need some kind of a bootmanager10:42
valeriusthough, I may be confused bootmenu with u-boot10:43
psycho_oreosfor some reason I don't think fanoush's bootmenu can provide that unless you use something like kexec. So that would probably leave you with either multibooot (ugh) or uboot10:43
psycho_oreosthat's what I'm thinking :)10:44
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valeriuskexec? so, it can boot only linux kernels but not other? what multiboot compliant managers do exist? is there some version of grub ported?10:46
psycho_oreoskexec allows you too boot another kernel basically. Though it cannot happen at nolo boot time unless if after it boots into the initial kernel and maybe its environment. as for other multiboot compliant managers, there's only two. Fyi, multiboot itself is also a package that deals with booting up other OS by overwriting the initial blocks. No, GRUB hasn't been ported10:48
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jonwilMy mission to document the undocumented continues, I have just come up with a dev package for browser-neteal which lets you talk to the browserd daemon11:31
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rlyIs there a way to turn off the 'startup sound' of an N900?12:36
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psycho_oreoswhat startup sound?12:40
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rlypsycho_oreos: the jingle.12:46
rlypsycho_oreos: but never mind.12:46
rlyI already found the answer.12:46
rlyI'd be interested in knowing how to connect via usb to my computer to use its networking facilities.12:46
rlySo, that I get internet over usb to the phone.12:47
rly(and subsequently can login via ssh to the phone to do some configuration)12:47
rlyThat should be possible, right?12:47
x29ayes12:48
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psycho_oreosits called USB networking12:50
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rlyYes, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking, but I don't really get all of the instructions.12:51
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rlyAlso, typing all these commands on the phone directly takes forever.12:51
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SpeedEvilSet it up mostly using ssh12:53
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SpeedEvilover wifi12:53
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rlyI also never get why people don't just write scripts on pages like this.12:55
rlyThen you don't need a 'tutorial', you just copy and paste the command in a terminal, and you are done.12:55
ruskiedoesn't really take forever12:55
psycho_oreosyou don't learn just by running scripts12:56
ruskierly, the point of a tutorial is to teach how to do it without a script12:56
rlyI will do it via wifi now.12:56
ruskieyou can make your own script after that12:56
rlyIf it actually wants to learn me something, it should contain more information.12:56
psycho_oreosyou're welcome to add more information as you wish12:57
rlyFor example, what's the 'default route'?12:57
rlyWhy does something like that even exists?12:57
psycho_oreosfor now there's enough information for the curious one to go find out whatever they need to know12:57
psycho_oreosand that's unix networking12:58
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villagerrly: probably most people who are interested know that the default route is what allows you to access the rest of the internet as opposed to your local home network12:59
psycho_oreosI'm pretty sure by the time you spanned out every possible subject that covers for a single page that discusses how to get USB networking. You end up with a rather nice 80 pages worth of useless garbage for one that only needs to read a portion of it to get the job done12:59
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rlyvillager: but why can't it just try all available interfaces? Perhaps I have 100 different ways to connect to the internet. It could use all of them in parallel.13:05
ruskieyou generally need more work to be multi-homed13:06
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rlyruskie: that's exactly the problem.13:06
rlyThat they thought that 30 years ago is bad enough; that they are still thinking this is ridiculous.13:06
ruskiewhat?13:06
ruskiemulti-homed setups?13:06
rlyYes, why isn't that default?13:07
ruskiebecause there's probably less than 1% of the world using this?13:07
rlySeems like a terrible excuse.13:07
ruskienot really13:07
ruskieunless you're a datacenter or have some requirement to be online 24/7 with never failing multi-homed doesn't make much sense13:08
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DocScrutinizererr... dang I thought I have a bit of a clue about networking. Now you lost me13:10
DocScrutinizerisn't there a parameter called "METRIC" on route? isn't it meant to calculate what'S the cheapest of alternative routes?13:11
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Guest36263Think so.13:12
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DocScrutinizerand would I want any of my network devices to spam all my subnets with all possible destinations?13:12
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rlyWhat wireless connections does the n900 support? I shared it from my laptop, but it is listed, except I cannot visit any website.13:12
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rlyWhat do I have to use as the standard gate way? The IP of the laptop or of the router?13:21
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nusse_rly: try the router ;)13:26
rlynusse_: I am sharing the internet from my laptop to the phone and I did that.13:28
rlynusse_: I have a connection, except it still doesn't work.13:28
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rlynusse_: if I ping it, it is 'unreachable'.13:30
nusse_then try the laptop13:30
DocScrutinizerwtf are you doing?13:32
rlyDocScrutinizer: Router <-> Laptop <-> Wifi <-> Phone13:33
DocScrutinizererr, your laptop has a builtin AP? or with WiFi you meant adhoc mode?13:35
rlyDocScrutinizer: adhoc mode13:36
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rlyDocScrutinizer: I have seen it working before, but I forgot how to configure it.13:36
DocScrutinizeror is your "router" only connecting to your laptop while WiFi has no connection to internet?13:36
rlyDocScrutinizer: the router is a real router.13:37
rlyDocScrutinizer: so, just UTP between the router and the laptop.13:37
DocScrutinizerhmm13:37
rlyDocScrutinizer: the 'wifi' is generated by the wireless ship in adhoc mode on the laptop.13:37
DocScrutinizerwhatever, first prerequisite seems you get adhoc mode working13:37
DocScrutinizerwhich could be more tricky than sharing the internet13:38
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hiemanshuadhoc mode is easy, all you have to do is give the right IPs, I do it all the time at home13:46
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DocScrutinizerwell, and that's exactly the problem13:46
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DocScrutinizerthe define default route to be via IP of PC, and you're set on phone side for sharing laptop internet to phone13:47
DocScrutinizerthen*13:48
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DocScrutinizerthe laptop side is a bit more tricky, and obviously quite dependant on what OS you got there13:50
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DocScrutinizerand obviously the gateway is the laptop, not the router13:52
mecehey is it possible to record the sounds that the phone makes?13:53
DocScrutinizerbut that's really not your problem as long as you can't even ping the laptop13:53
meceinternally I mean13:53
DocScrutinizerrecaller13:53
mecedoes that record all sounds? How does it do it?13:53
DocScrutinizersource=system13:53
DocScrutinizerI think13:53
meceok cool :)13:53
mecedo we have that for harmattan I wonder13:53
DocScrutinizerquite probably not13:54
mecebecause of aegis?13:54
DocScrutinizerkinda, yeah13:54
mecegah13:54
DocScrutinizersee javispedro's problems with missing audio ploicy for FMRX13:55
DocScrutinizerpolicy*13:55
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Sicelorly: how is your laptop connected to touter, and, as asked before, what OS u have?13:58
Sicelos/tou/rou13:59
rlySicelo: Ubuntu14:02
Siceloiptables is your friend then :)14:04
Sicelou say n900 can't ping laptop?14:04
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Sicelohmm, i don't see any update after apt-get update, or via HAM14:23
Siceloi have Nokia Applications, and Nokia System Software Updates, and both update without errors14:24
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rlySicelo: under connection information under the heading IPv4 I see an IP4 address of what likely is the adhoc network address.14:28
rlySicelo: I put that into the standard gateway address, but it doesn't do web.14:28
DocScrutinizerrly: I told you to get your adhoc and ping from phone to laptop working *first*14:29
DocScrutinizerforget your internet forwarding and gateway and route and whatnot, as long as you can't even *ping* your laptop14:30
DocScrutinizeror ping the phone from laptop (basically same thing)14:31
rlyDocScrutinizer: ping 10.42.43.1 results in sendto: network is unreachable.14:31
rlyDocScrutinizer: the broad cast address is 192.168.2.25514:31
DocScrutinizerumm, yes.14:31
DocScrutinizerouch14:32
Sicelofrom which side was this adhoc network created?14:32
rlyThis is pinging the laptop from the phone.14:32
DocScrutinizerrly: you have to understand your adhox network has (and has to have) a different subnet to what your laptop got from your router14:33
rlyDocScrutinizer: yes, I understand that.14:33
DocScrutinizerso please rethink your ping command above14:33
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rlyDocScrutinizer: the 10.<whatever> is what Ubuntu reports to be the IP address of the adhoc access point.14:34
rlyDocScrutinizer: the usual laptop address is 192.<something>14:34
Sicelofrom which side was this adhoc network created?14:34
DocScrutinizerit has to be like "phone: 192.168.2.55; laptop:192.168.2.66; on phone #>ping 192.168.2.66"14:34
rlySicelo: the laptop creates it.14:34
DocScrutinizerwell14:35
DocScrutinizerthen14:35
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DocScrutinizerit has to be like "phone: 10.0.2.55; laptop:10.0.2.66; on phone #>ping 10.0.2.66"14:35
rlyDocScrutinizer: so, how do I get rid of the 10.<something>?14:35
rlyOk, apparently that's not important.14:35
Sicelogive us ifconfig wlanX outputs for both N900 and laptop14:35
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rlySicelo: the bcast is 192.X for the phone, which is wrong.14:36
DocScrutinizersetting up adhoc obviously and evidently is non-trivial14:36
rlySicelo: inet is 192.<something>14:36
DocScrutinizer:-P14:37
rlySicelo: (also on phone)14:37
DocScrutinizerrly: please stop sharing 'cooked' info. Your interpretation most likely is spoiling the info14:37
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DocScrutinizerSicelo asked for a pastebin of #>ifconfig  output14:38
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rlyDocScrutinizer: and how am I supposed to provide that? I have no internet on the phone.14:39
DocScrutinizer:shrug:14:39
rlyThere are about 5 fields to fill in as a user.14:39
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rlyI can say what I put in there, but otherwise I did nothing exciting.14:39
rlySo, I said IP-address: 192.168.2.103 subnetmask 255.255.255.0 standard gateway 10.42.43.255 primary dns adres 10.42.43.25514:40
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rlyThat's in the GUI on the phone.14:40
rlyThe numbers starting with 10. come from Ubuntu.14:41
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DocScrutinizerwhich is utterly wrong as standard gateway is in another subnet14:41
rlyI am glad that you can see it is wrong, but why?14:41
Sicelook. well, delete the whole network from both laptop and N900. then, on laptop, in your Connection Manager, make a new wireless connection, and don't make IP static..14:41
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rlyI want a static IP.14:42
Veggenrly: How is your phone to know where 10.42.43.255 is?14:42
DocScrutinizerand as long as you don't conect to that adhoc you won't change anything with the editing of settings14:42
Sicelo:/14:42
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Sicelorly: you can tweak it once it works... right now u want this to work14:43
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DocScrutinizer*sigh*14:43
rlyVeggen: it is the ip address of the adhoc access point?14:43
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DocScrutinizerNO it isn't14:43
rlyDocScrutinizer: then why does Ubuntu say it is?14:43
DocScrutinizerbecause you think it does14:44
rlyDocScrutinizer: ok, I was wrong.14:44
Sicelocontinuing from where i was, make sure the laptop is connected to your new connection. ip will probably be 10.42.43.1...14:44
Sicelonow, u should pick that network up with your N900, probably 10.42.43.64 for N90014:44
Sicelothis will ping14:44
Sicelorly: i have always used ad-hoc on my N900 until i got a wlan ap14:45
rlyDocScrutinizer: I recreated the connection, did ping 10.42.43.1, but I get Network is unreachable.14:47
Veggenrly: what is the ip-adress on both sides, now?14:47
DocScrutinizerrly: dude, I'm not even interested in that. We asked you to share verbatim info of ifconfig14:48
DocScrutinizerthe COMMAND ifconfig in XTERM14:48
DocScrutinizerunder root, if this might be unclear14:49
rlyDocScrutinizer: I have it in front of me the whole time. Now, inet addr: 192.168.2.103 Bcast:192.168.2.25514:50
rlyMask is 255.255.255.014:50
DocScrutinizerthat's for which interface?14:50
rlywlan014:50
DocScrutinizergood, and what's the same info on laptop?14:50
rlyThe laptop says 10.42.43.114:51
rlyI have no idea why.14:51
DocScrutinizerfor wlan0?14:51
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Sicelothat's good rly..14:51
rlyThe laptop says inet addr 10.42.43.1, Bcast 10.42.42.25514:51
Sicelofor laptop side, that is. your N900 is not connected to laptop if it has 192. ...14:51
DocScrutinizerrly: for which interface?14:52
jonwilbah, how can I get tutorial-eal-bin (a hildon app with a .launch file) to run inside GDB?14:52
rlySicelo: wlan014:52
rlyDocScrutinizer: wlan014:52
DocScrutinizerrly: your adhoc is not connected14:52
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rlyDocScrutinizer: the adhoc network has been created, because I see an icon saying that it is active.14:53
rlyDocScrutinizer: are you implying that Ubuntu is lying?14:53
DocScrutinizerseems you connected to another adhoc network then14:53
Sicelorly: no one implies that14:53
rlyDocScrutinizer: the n900 also shows a connected icon.14:54
rlyI connected to UbuntuAdhoc.14:54
rlyThe laptop displays this and the phone confirms this.14:54
DocScrutinizeranyway this config can not work14:54
DocScrutinizerall peers in an adhoc network have to share one subnet addr, which is covered by the mask14:55
Sicelowhere did N900 get ip address? you assigned it?14:55
rlySicelo: yes14:55
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rlyOk, so I just had to do 10.<>14:55
Sicelogive it 10.42.43.6414:55
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rlyOk, then it works. So, how can I go from some machine running at 192.<>, not being the laptop to 10.42.43.64?14:57
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DocScrutinizernot at all14:58
* Sicelo shoots rly down14:58
Sicelo:P14:58
DocScrutinizer(unless you'd use mask 0.0.0.0 which probably will fail epically)14:58
Sicelowhy do u have interest in the 192.. network?14:58
rlySicelo: because that's my work station.14:58
* DocScrutinizer headdesks14:59
Siceloit's the one with internet?14:59
rlySicelo: no, that's yet another machine.14:59
Sicelo:/14:59
* DocScrutinizer headdesks a bit more15:00
Sicelo:P15:00
Sicelolaptop has a connection to this 192 network?15:00
rlySicelo: the eth0 of the laptop is on that network.15:00
DocScrutinizerSicelo: I got 192.168.1.1/24 subnet here. Why can'z I reach your 192.168.1.45 machine?15:01
rlySicelo: for example, I could ssh to the laptop and then go here.15:01
DocScrutinizerit's the same network, no? X-P15:01
Siceloso use iptables on your laptop to bridge the wlan0 and eth0 ifaces15:01
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rlyDocScrutinizer: ok, better question. Is there a way to make them one network?15:01
DocScrutinizerno15:02
rlyWho designed this internet? ;)15:02
DocScrutinizeras they have no direct connection15:02
Sicelohttp://eu.gshellz.org/~sicelo/rc.iptables_ext_int15:02
Sicelorun that as root like rc.iptables_ext_int eth0 wlan015:02
DocScrutinizerrly: people who got an idea of what routers are made for ;-P15:02
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Siceloi copied that from tldp.org :)15:03
* Sicelo sees the next question.. how to make N900 reach internet :P15:04
Siceloanybody has idea why i didn't get the Nokia update?15:04
rlyWhat exactly is a bridge conceptually?15:04
DocScrutinizerrly: if you live in A-town, lemon-alley, do you think you granny in B-town will find you in the lemon-alley in B-town at house# 45 when you live in A-town lemon-alley 45?15:05
Sicelorly, just run that script15:05
jonwilbah, I cant get gdb to debug tutorial-eal-bin :(15:05
Siceloas i said before, you can then tweak your setup once it works.. not before15:06
DocScrutinizerrly: I15:06
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rlyDocScrutinizer: no15:07
Sicelorc.iptables_ext_int eth0 wlan015:07
Siceloas root15:07
Siceloon your laptop15:08
DocScrutinizerI *strongly* discourage you to run identical separate subnets locally, as in "my router connects to workstation 192.168.1.66 via cable. Now I create a adhoc net 192.168.1.x to reach that station via a laptop"15:08
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DocScrutinizeras you *never* will get that sorted, with the experise about networking you got15:08
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rlyDocScrutinizer: I read Tanenbaum's networking book a long time ago.15:10
Sicelorly, so what do u get from running the script?15:10
DocScrutinizerrly: standard gateway is where all traffic to *other* networks gets routed to, if your adhoc has 192.168.1.x then the connect to wour workstation on 192.168.1.66 *never* gets roued to standard gateway and rhus never reaches the destination15:10
rlyDocScrutinizer: I have no idea which point you are trying to make.15:12
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DocScrutinizeryeah, THAT's the problem15:12
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rlyI currently don't experience any problem except that it would be useful to be able to connect directly from a machine on network X to a machine on network Y (the phone).15:13
rlySo, if a bridge between X and Y on the laptop does that, well, then it's problem solved.15:13
Sicelo:/15:13
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rlySicelo: yes, you just said how.15:14
rlyI just don't see which problem DocScrutinizer sees.15:14
DocScrutinizerrly: how THE F* shall it connect directly when it's not connected directly??15:14
rlyDocScrutinizer: by 'directly', I mean from a UI point of view.15:14
rlyDocScrutinizer: so, if I do ssh 10.<> on the 192.<> machine, that it goes there, apparently via bridging.15:15
DocScrutinizerso "directly" as in "I ping 8.8.8.8 'directly'" ?15:15
rlyYes15:15
rlyIf that's not possible, then the Internet sucks.15:15
* DocScrutinizer wonders what's not "directly" in internet/TCP then15:16
Sicelorly: DocScrutinizer is right. heh, internet sucks indeed, coz of NAT, which is what that script does. even Tannenbaum states that :P15:16
DocScrutinizeranyway no router ever can manage colliding IP addr ranges on physically separate interfaces15:16
rlyDocScrutinizer: but they are not colliding.15:16
DocScrutinizerooh, they don't ??15:17
* Sicelo goes afk a while15:17
rlyDocScrutinizer: no15:17
rlyThey could be, but they aren't.15:17
DocScrutinizer[2011-11-02 13:58:47] <Sicelo> why do u have interest in the 192.. network?15:17
DocScrutinizer[2011-11-02 13:58:59] <rly> Sicelo: because that's my work station.15:17
rlyDocScrutinizer: yes, one of them is 192.<>.15:18
* DocScrutinizer follows Sicelo15:18
rlyDocScrutinizer: and the laptop is also on 192.<>.15:18
rlyDocScrutinizer: and I wanted the phone to also be there.15:18
DocScrutinizerthen you have to connect your phone to the physical network your other machines are using! ooh wait, N900 has no ethernet plug15:19
DocScrutinizerso you need a NEW subnet15:19
DocScrutinizerand a bridge connects *diferent* subnets15:19
DocScrutinizerwell, that's incorrect, but best you never mind15:20
rlySo, if I have the bridge, what can I do with it?15:20
DocScrutinizerkytesurf?15:20
DocScrutinizerreally, I got a froodle here, what can I do with it?15:21
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DocScrutinizerGET YOR ADHOC WORKING! DON'T USE SAME SUBNET IP AS ON ANY OTHER OF YOUR LOCAL NETWORKS!15:21
rlyDocScrutinizer: It has been working for a long time now.15:22
rlyDocScrutinizer: no need to yell.15:22
DocScrutinizeroncw you got a working adhoc, we will deal with bridging, forwarding, routing, whatever15:22
rlyDocScrutinizer: I have that for over 15 minutes already.15:22
DocScrutinizerI see15:23
DocScrutinizerand bye15:23
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DocScrutinizerman 8 route15:28
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DocScrutinizerhttp://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bridge+Firewall.html15:32
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DocScrutinizeryou can bridge to the adhoc "network interface card NIC"15:33
DocScrutinizerhowever I guess it'S way simpler to route to a destinct subnet15:34
DocScrutinizerso your laptop behaves like a router, with your 192.168.x.x. wired network being the "upstream" network and your adhoc network on a diferent subnet addr and the laptop forwarding and doing addr translation for data from adhoc15:37
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lardmanAnyone know of an easy way of extracting kernel modules from the kernel build tree and preferably placing them in the correct relative directories in some other location?15:38
lardmanI could write a script to do it, just wondering if there's already one extant?15:38
derfIsn't that what make modules_install is for?15:39
derfOr are you talking about something else?15:39
lardmanno, that is what I'm talking about - can it accept a root directory?15:39
lardmanperhaps it can, I'll have a look see15:40
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derfThere's an INSTALL_MOD_PATH variable.15:41
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derfPresumably that could be overridden somewhere.15:41
derfOr MODLIB (which is INSTALL_MOD_PATH with lib/modules/$(KERNELRELEASE) appended)15:42
lardmanah yes, apparently it can be set on the command line before the make command15:42
lardmanmake INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/some/writable/directory modules_install15:42
lardmancheers derf15:42
derfnp15:42
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jonwilduh, helps if I switch to armel :P15:48
ruskielol15:51
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* SpeedEvil reboots into PR1.4.15:56
DocScrutinizerwut?15:56
SpeedEvildiginotar15:56
rlyIf I follow the instructions here, I see that it is downloading some file, but it just keeps at 0%. http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU15:56
DocScrutinizer1.3.115:56
SpeedEvildiginotar--15:56
DocScrutinizerit's actually called 1.4 now? o.O15:56
* jonwil wonders when the CSSU bits for the digitnotar fix will drop15:56
SpeedEvilDunno.15:57
SpeedEvilIt's called 1.4 in my head.15:57
DocScrutinizerahh :-)15:57
* SpeedEvil mehs.15:57
SpeedEvilI was pondering applying for free solar panels, and they pull teh scheme.15:57
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jonwilThe patch seems to have updated the various maemosec* packages15:58
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SpeedEvil330K though, which was IIRC about the size of the cert file15:59
rlyI How can I get the webbrowser to download the stupid http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/community-testing-fremantle.install file?16:00
rlyEverything else works, I can even use Youtube to my surprise.16:00
rlyIt should open with HAM, but it doesn't.16:01
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jonwillooks like 2 different base packages were updated in this patch, maemo-security-certman and maemo-security-certman-applet16:07
jonwilThe first one claims its LGPL16:07
jonwilthe second claims its "nokia proprietary"16:07
DocScrutinizerrly: why should webbrowser download that file? why is it stupid? why should it open in HAM?16:07
rlyDocScrutinizer: because that's what that website literally states.16:08
DocScrutinizerwhich website? I've not seen any website URL in your three posts16:08
rlyMy ssh is also not working. I did useradd myuser; passwd myuser; ssh myuser@<rightip> and inputted the right password, but it just happily claims that it is the wrong password.16:09
rlyDocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU16:09
jonwilbah, my browser-neteal test doesn't work16:09
jonwiljust displays a black screen16:09
gomiamDocScrutinizer: perhaps... http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/community-testing-fremantle.install16:09
rlyDocScrutinizer: "Hildon Application Manager (HAM) will launch and begin processing (be patient)"16:09
gomiamDocScrutinizer: at least that's the link rly provided16:09
jonwilpossibly I am missing some important GTK stuff16:10
rlyDocScrutinizer: I did provide the link, btw, just look in your scrollback.16:10
jonwilwill post to the mailing list, maybe there is someone there who has guru knowledge of gtk and hildon and can tell me what I am doing wrong16:10
DocScrutinizerrly: I'm not going to scan scrollback for *maybe* related stuff16:10
rlyDocScrutinizer: that's OK. It was just FYI.16:11
DocScrutinizeralso what in >>"Hildon Application Manager (HAM) will launch and begin processing (be patient)"<< makes you think you shall make the webbrowser download that install file?16:11
rlyDocScrutinizer: it says 'click in the install testing button above'.16:12
rlyDocScrutinizer: I did that too.16:12
rlyDocScrutinizer: the same thing, downloading the file and stopping at 0% happens.16:12
DocScrutinizerso, do you think you could phrase a proper bug ticket suitable problem description? along the line "action to reproduce: ... expected outcome: ... actual outcome: ..." ?16:13
gomiamrly: it's just a suspicion, but... may you have some apt* process still running from previous installs?16:14
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rlyType http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |  press enter | navigate to green icon | hit screen at position of green icon | wait | observe in downloads a 0% download file named community<blah>.16:15
vesai get a .install file16:16
DocScrutinizerhmm, so it's not launching HAM.16:16
rlygomiam: I do get a NO_PUBKEY warning when I do apt-get update.16:16
gomiamrly: it's interesting... it seems to download fine for me, all 223 bytes of it.16:16
vesaoooh, on the device. n/m16:16
rlygomiam: it downloads fine on my computer also.16:17
rlygomiam: likely wget on the phone will also work.16:17
DocScrutinizerare you sure you're using the default browser?16:17
rlyDocScrutinizer: yes16:17
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rlyDocScrutinizer: it says "Web".16:17
gomiamrly: as it seems to be just a new catalogue, you may want to forget about it and set it up by hand ;)16:17
DocScrutinizerthe problem is not the download16:17
rlyThe problem is me. :)16:17
rlyJust a guess.16:18
rlyNo, I think I followed the instructions correctly.16:18
DocScrutinizerno, the problem is HAM doesn't start on the file16:18
rlyDocScrutinizer: I also said that the download didn't complete.16:18
DocScrutinizercan you start HAM from app launcher?16:18
DocScrutinizerrly: that's probably bogus16:19
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rlyDocScrutinizer: I am in HAM.16:19
DocScrutinizerthough it *might* be related to download destination storage not available (full, mounted readonly, whatever)16:19
rlyDocScrutinizer: it says there is a new maemo update.16:19
rlyDocScrutinizer: with some flashing yellow thing.16:20
DocScrutinizeryeah, that's the problem then I guess16:20
rlyThen it said that some catalogi failed.16:20
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rlyNokia-applications, Software updates for Nokia-systems, Ovi and maemo.org.16:20
rlySo, how to get those in working order?16:21
DocScrutinizerif you want to isntall CSSU you probably should make HAM ignore the 1.3.1 update *for now*16:21
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rlyI basically just want ssh to work.16:21
rlyBut it simply won't let me in.16:22
jonwilI have ssh and I dont have cssu :)16:22
rlyEven ssh localhost doesn't work.16:22
DocScrutinizerhow's that related?16:22
rlyWell, assuming the whole platform was broken at release, someone might have fixed a bug?16:22
DocScrutinizerplease get rid of your habit to make assumptions16:23
rlyOK16:23
DocScrutinizerssh works here16:23
DocScrutinizeron all PR releases and CSSU16:24
rlyDocScrutinizer: with what user do you login?16:24
DocScrutinizerbut only tested for existing users, I.E root and user. I doubt useradd will work16:24
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rlyWhy wouldn't it work via useradd?16:25
DocScrutinizeruseradd itself is probably untested16:25
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DocScrutinizeron installing ssh pkg you got asked to set a root password afaik16:26
DocScrutinizeryou should be able to ssh root@<n900> and use that password16:27
rlyI can run login and then login as root with some password then.16:27
DocScrutinizeralso ssh root@localhost16:27
rlyI disabled root logins, but OK.16:28
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DocScrutinizerwell, I dunno what you mean by "I disabled root logins", but anyway user has no password and ssh user@<n900> thus will fail, as ssh without pw doesn't work16:29
rlyDocScrutinizer: can't I set a password for user?16:29
DocScrutinizersure16:29
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DocScrutinizerif you're root you do #>passwd user16:30
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rlyOk, locally it works now.16:30
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rlyDocScrutinizer: ping 10.42.43.64 from the laptop doesn't work now?16:32
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rlyDocScrutinizer: never mind, it forgot the connection after a reboot.16:32
rlyAnother 'useful' feature.16:32
rlyIt seems Nokia can use some usability people.16:33
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DocScrutinizeryou can't autoconnect to adhoc16:33
rlyRemotely it now also works.16:34
DocScrutinizerat least you don't want to16:34
rlyBecause it drains the battery?16:34
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DocScrutinizerbecause on adhoc nobody is sending beacons16:34
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DocScrutinizerso you basically dunno if any adhoc is available16:35
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DocScrutinizeryour device would connect to your adhoc network located in new york, even when you boot the device in moscow16:36
DocScrutinizer(simplified picture)16:37
DocScrutinizerso who needs the usability people now?16:38
DocScrutinizer(another assumption you took)16:38
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rlyDocScrutinizer: well, the contacts app doesn't allow editing of notes by clicking on them.16:42
DocScrutinizernot saying everything is just optimal on fremantle, but I suggest prior to making assumptions and blaming something a bug or flaw or poorly thought concept you ask if there's maybe a reason it is the way it is16:42
rlyI still get this, btw. W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ADB4438160A655EF16:42
rlyDocScrutinizer: you are entirely right.16:42
rlyor 'completely'16:42
DocScrutinizerhmm, it's a warning16:44
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DocScrutinizerand I dunno what's your problem with contacts notes. I seem to remember I once got annoyed they won't scroll in contacts view, you have to edit the contact to get scrolling on notes16:45
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rlyAlso, if you want to add a field like 'Notes', you cannot just press n to go to it.16:45
DocScrutinizeranyway in contacts view I think there's little that can get edited by simply clicking on it16:46
CorsacDocScrutinizer: btw, about birthday calendar, I have a weird bug that people without birthday all (or so) appear to have a birthday on november 30th16:46
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Corsac(so scrolling to november in the calendar is dead slow...)16:46
rlyDocScrutinizer: I solved the PUBKEY problem.16:46
rlyIs there also a way to remotely control the n900 to see the same stuff as on the phone window?16:46
DocScrutinizervnc16:46
rlySo, not just an ssh session, but basically a viewport.16:47
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Corsachttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11639 haah I already reported it last year16:47
povbot`Bug 11639: birthday-less contacts have a birthday appearing in calendar on nov 3016:47
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DocScrutinizernever seen that16:48
DocScrutinizeryour contacts database might be corrupt16:48
rlyDocScrutinizer: how do I get rid of the 'failed catalogi'?16:48
Corsacyeah maybe, but a quick investigation on it doesn't reveal anything16:48
Corsacbut maybe backuping then restoring the backup would help16:49
rlyI start HAM, do 'Download' and it says that basically all of the updates failed.16:49
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rlyapt-get update works fine on the device.16:49
DocScrutinizerrly: edit and fix the parameters of the failed catalog, if they are incorrect. If it's just a problem of the catalog server, then just wait, the issue is commonly known and of transient nature16:50
rlyWhy don't they put the catalog server on some bigger pipe then?16:51
rlyOr via bittorrent, etc.16:51
DocScrutinizerif it's a general connectivity problem, *e.g. when using a non-standard internet conection*, then see wiki USB-networking16:51
rlyNow it works.16:51
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Using_USB_networking_for_Maemo_applications16:52
nid0tbh, pipes dont get much bigger than the one nokia's repositories are on16:52
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freddddCould anyone guide me with the following? I would like to synchronise my calendar, task list and contacts to my server, and be able to connect my N900 to it (right now, to give an example, I can link my N900 with Google Sync through ActiveSync, and have that done). But I would like to host it on my own Debian powered server. Anyone have any idea where to go with this?16:53
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rlyIsn't angry birds available for the n900? If so, how to install it?17:00
rlyI just want to see how well it runs.17:01
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nid0its on the device by default17:02
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SpeedEvilIt's not on PR1.317:03
SpeedEvilmaybe 1.2?17:03
SpeedEvilIt was downloadable at one point, not now though.17:03
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rlyhttp://store.ovi.com/content/2315817:04
rlyI said 'install', then it downloaded something and I got dropped in HAM.17:04
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: might be in VANILLA17:04
SpeedEvilhmm17:04
rlyThen, no indication as to what happened.17:04
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rlyOk, now it did something.17:07
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rlyCan I zoom arbitrarily much in some way?17:22
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rlyYes, I can.17:34
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merlin_1991rly: whenever you install something over such a install link that opens ham you have to wait forever17:43
merlin_1991because it adds the repo if not there17:44
merlin_1991then runs an apt-get update17:44
merlin_1991then ham does it's ham parsing of the package list17:44
merlin_1991and after that it finally installs17:44
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* FIQ has realised that VNC is actually useful17:45
FIQwould prefer X-forwarding, but no proper rightclick :(17:45
rlymerlin1991: do you mean 'long' by forever, or 'forever'?17:46
FIQif just it was a keycode to access rclick...17:46
rlyThe zooming UI is pretty nice.17:46
FIQso i could throw it in hardware-wise17:46
rlyI am not sure whether the stuff that is done on a HTC is better or not.17:46
FIQer17:46
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FIQs/hardware/keyboard/17:47
rlyI think an on screen keyboard is much less convenient, though.17:47
merlin1991rly well it depends on how many repos you have, with only extras + ovi it's long17:47
merlin1991with extras - devel enabled it feels like a lifetime17:47
FIQrly: that wasn't my point17:48
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nealI uploaded a package to the fremantle package builder.  Is there a place where I can see its build status?  I don't see it, e.g., here http://maemo.org/packages/repository/builds/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/all/17:48
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FIQmerlin: indeed, that's why i don't use HAM17:49
rlyHow do I get 'all' the packages available?17:49
rlyI only have a few lines in my current /etc/apt/sources.list17:49
merlin1991rly the default sources should be just fine if you're looking for a stable environment, if you like breaking things you can check the maemo-wiki for extras-devel17:51
merlin1991there are far more packages, but also a lot are somehow broken17:51
merlin1991~build-status17:52
merlin1991neal: I know there was some sort of current build status webpage, but I forgot the link17:52
FIQ~build-status17:52
FIQw/e17:52
rlyWhat's the 'best' map application? There was some new one, IIRC.17:53
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nealrly: monav17:54
merlin1991neal:  https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php17:54
nealrly: off-line vector maps17:54
nealrly: It's excellent :)17:54
merlin1991apparently all build queues are empty17:54
nealmerlin1991: hmm.17:54
merlin1991you could ask X-Fade17:55
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nealmerlin1991: Thanks for your help.17:57
rlyneal: is that in the default repos?17:57
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rlyIs there some easier way to input a large sequence of numbers?17:59
rlyHolding the blue button is inconvenient.17:59
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rlyWhy is WhatsApp not available anymore for the N900?18:01
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Sicelodouble tap the blue icon. it 'locks' then u can type all of the blue symbols without using said button18:05
rlyneal: I go to http://monav.openstreetmap.de/ click on the n900 link, but it doesn't download the whole file.18:05
nealI don't know what to say, sorry18:05
Sicelowhat happens when u click that?18:06
rlySicelo: it asks whether I want to open it or save it.18:06
rlySicelo: I say open it with HAM.18:06
rlySicelo: the download pane shows 0%.18:07
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rlySicelo: it seems the whole 'download a file' functionality is broken.18:07
Sicelotry save, then dpkg -i your_file as root in terminal18:07
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rlySicelo: and any way to get the downloading files to work?18:07
rly-the18:08
Sicelou can't download files? 0.o18:08
rlySicelo: just saving it also doesn't work.18:08
rlySicelo: wget works fine.18:08
rlyDownloading 'apps' also works fine.18:09
rlyBrowsing Youtube also works fine.18:09
rlyDownloading it via opera also works.18:10
rlyIt's just the Web application that doesn't work.18:11
rlyHow can I see which version I have of that?18:11
SpeedEvilhttps://bbyopen.com/2010/11/maylong-android-tablet-more-versatile-than-you-think18:15
Sicelonot necessary. u can't have your own version18:15
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rlyneal: so, how do I get western-europe loaded into the device for monav?18:18
rlyneal: there is germany, but the Netherlands is missing for example.18:18
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nealrly: So far, I've just used germany and france18:31
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crashanddieyou've used germany and france?18:47
crashanddieYou bastard!18:47
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luke-jrcrashanddie: well, Germany and France aren't really good for anything…19:19
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rlyluke-jr: nuclear power and BMWs.19:43
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Sicelohmm, 58.0M free on /20:07
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x29aSicelo: im down to 4820:21
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DocScrutinizeris it just me, or is the S/N going thru the floor here lately?20:22
bindis/n? :<20:23
DocScrutinizersignal/noise20:23
* DocScrutinizer feels like watching twitter20:23
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DocScrutinizerso actually S/N goes thru the ceiling20:25
DocScrutinizererr, scratch that20:25
bindiSNR :(20:27
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vdvhi all20:34
NIN101hi20:35
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vdvdo i understand correctly, that in order to write qt apps for maemo i have following options: 1) maemo sdk + qt for maemo; 2) Qt SDK from nokia; 3) MADDE ?20:36
vdverr, ugly formulated question20:37
vdvbut hope still understandable20:37
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vdvdid i missed some answer to the question above?20:42
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NIN101no. but afaik that's about right vdv.20:47
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MasseRThat scared me, n900 just said that maemos extras repository can't be reached21:12
MasseRBut even then, after yesterdays update, I can't seem to lock on to gps. Anyone else having problems with it?21:12
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DocScrutinizerMasseR: how are repos related to GPS now?21:17
MasseRDocScrutinizer: Two unrelated things.21:17
MasseRDocScrutinizer: Other than both have manifested after the update (altough I think it found the repository with a second try)21:18
DocScrutinizeryou'll find GPS as well on second try ;-D21:18
MasseRWell I didn't find it after the 10th try ;)21:19
nealhow do I prevent a package from building for i386 using the autobuilder?21:19
DocScrutinizerhmm, maybe get a SIM, get better open sky view21:19
MasseRSIM? And I was under the sky21:19
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DocScrutinizeryes, SIM. As in "use GSM for A-GPS"21:20
DocScrutinizer~gsm-agps21:20
infoboti guess rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP21:20
DocScrutinizeror just wait for 10 min to get a first fix21:20
MasseRDocScrutinizer: Usually I get a fix in seconds21:21
DocScrutinizerso what can I say?21:21
MasseRAnd apparently I can't even get the gsm location o.O21:22
DocScrutinizerthe 1.3.1 update is not suspicious to interfere with GPS in any way21:22
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* SpeedEvil tries.21:24
DocScrutinizerhmm, if you really mean what you wrote, then you got your explanation why GPS doesn't get a fix in 10s. A-GPS relies on a rough idea of where you currently are, which is delivered (and also might get spoiled) by info from GSM21:24
* SpeedEvil waits for fix.21:25
SpeedEvilAlso check your time isn't off.21:26
SpeedEvilIt doesn't like that.21:26
DocScrutinizerindeed21:26
MasseRDocScrutinizer: "time isn't off", meaning?21:26
MasseRHow much off is off21:26
DocScrutinizertime or GSM location guess being off can cause A-GPS to fail completely and never get any fix21:26
DocScrutinizerfor time, some seconds21:27
SpeedEvilMore than a few minutes.21:27
SpeedEvilmore than that.21:27
DocScrutinizerfor GSM location some 1000 km21:27
MasseRI have automatic updating21:27
Siceloyour operator might not send correct time, like mine :P21:27
DocScrutinizeryeah, summer time :-P21:28
MasseRI got some location after changing supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com21:28
DocScrutinizeryup, that too21:28
DocScrutinizersoory I forgot about that21:28
DocScrutinizeractually it can help sometimes to DISable a-gps support21:29
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MasseRDon't tell me it tries to first get the agps, and unless it gets that, it won't even try the satellites?21:30
DocScrutinizeryou should get a cold first fix in max 10 min after that, on clear open sky, and subsequent first fixes will be in the sub-minute range21:30
MasseROh and, now even the satellite-gps works21:31
DocScrutinizerMasseR: no, it sometimes locks up on bogis a-gps hints21:31
DocScrutinizerbogus*21:31
DocScrutinizeras in "won't try to find sattelites in positions they are supposed to be at 20:00 local time, when system / supl tells me to look for them at their 16:00 positions"21:32
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MasseRSe if n900 thinks I'm more or less 500km to the north, it fails21:34
DocScrutinizeryes, though I think it's more like 5000km than 500km21:34
DocScrutinizermaybe 1500km are enough21:34
DocScrutinizerask SpeedEvil - he's the GPS expert21:34
SpeedEvilMasseR: The first level of lock is based on hich satellites are visible, and their expected velocities to the user.21:36
SpeedEvilThey are in 12 hour orbits, so they don't move that fast across the sky - 30 min eitehr way doesn't make a major difference, nor does a few degrees error in position (a few hundred km)21:37
SpeedEvilOutside this, the GPS can be looking in the wrong 'place' for each satellite, and not find it.21:37
DocScrutinizerof course it can look all possible locations, but that takes *time* and you won't want to "waste" receivers (actually correlators) for that when you think you *know* where to look21:38
DocScrutinizerthink you know = a-gps21:38
SpeedEvilIf it 'knows' where those locations are - based on time and position - and they're sufficiently wrong - it may not bother looking in the right ones.21:39
SpeedEvilThis can be the right strategy - it will get lock even under relatively deep sky cover.21:39
DocScrutinizeryeah21:40
MasseRSpeedEvil: That's actually surprisingly interesting. Thank you21:40
DocScrutinizeror it fails completely when your assumptions about time and continent are wrong21:40
SpeedEvil'place' is not a geographic place as such - it's a place in the 2D space of satellite number, and doppler offset of frequency.21:41
DocScrutinizeryup21:41
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SpeedEvilThis 'place' is generated by a knowledge of the orbits of the sats, and the current time.21:41
DocScrutinizerand the "frequency" each sat uses21:42
DocScrutinizermost interesting detail: "number of visible sats" in those diagnostic displays usually is the *calculated* theoretically visible sats for your location and time, not the actually "seen" ones21:43
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DocScrutinizerI.E. it looks for those sats21:44
DocScrutinizerused sats are those that are "seen"21:45
DocScrutinizer(unless they are too many so the GPS chip decides to ignore a few of the seen ones)21:46
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DocScrutinizeraaah, and a-gps is just to deliver those info about visible sats to your device in no time21:50
DocScrutinizerthat'S why I said it sometimes may help to disable a-gps. You won't feed the chip with wrong ideas what / where to look for, and so a fix may take longer but can't get spoiled by wrong location or time21:51
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rlyHow can I see data transfer statistics?22:27
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Siceloelaborate ... u mean rate, volume, or even whole records covering a number of days?22:30
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rlySicelo: all22:30
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rlySicelo: or if not available in some easy way, as many from that list as possible.22:31
Siceloheh, dunno if there's better way to check transfer rate than iptraf22:31
Siceloas for the rest, there is NetStory iirc22:31
SiceloSettings > Phone keeps records for gprs/3g data volumes only22:32
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DocScrutinizerifconfig22:36
DocScrutinizergrep RX22:37
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Sicelothought of that, but it doesn't survive reboots22:38
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DocScrutinizersure, but it's one bit of that rather unspecified set of info the OP was asking for22:43
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DocScrutinizer:-) thanks for22:47
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache search iptraf22:47
DocScrutinizernetwork-monitor - IPTraf is a console-based network statistics utility22:47
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Juozapasis there anhy soft for system check? let say I want to buy used n900 and it will be nice to run some system check" software. I mean hardware22:50
Sicelo:) can't see how to make it work with gprs0, but it works perfectly with ppp0 (my 3g dongle via hen)22:50
SiceloJuozapas: HealthCheck. of course, hardware is hardware, and can't be all tested 100% in software, imo22:52
Juozapask, thx22:52
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Juozapasa piece of metal just felt down from the back of my 90022:54
Juozapasshape is like letter L and it goes close to camera slide. anyone had same experiece.22:55
Juozapas?22:55
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Siceloheh, that's definitely not where Healthcheck can help. that's for our resident EE :)22:56
Juozapas:!22:56
Juozapasyeah..22:56
Juozapascan I just remove that piece of metal?22:57
Siceloi have the L1-4 docs somewhere, but not sure where. ask DocScrutinizer22:57
SpeedEvilJuozapas: It's the spring for the dlider22:58
SpeedEvilslider22:58
SpeedEvilyou may want to try to glue it back on.22:58
Juozapask22:58
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SpeedEvil...23:00
SpeedEvil'Angry Birds downloads pass half-billion mark'23:00
SpeedEvilI mean sure - 1 download isn't a user - but still.23:00
rlyI think Angry Birds is just the Pong of mobile phones.23:03
rlyOr the hello world of programming.23:03
Trewasand most important of all, it will be the "next nokia" in finland!23:05
Trewasit's unbelieveable how much hype they have been stacking up on game industry here23:05
rlyTrewas: one big bubble23:05
rlyWasn't Angry Birds valued at $1B?23:06
rlyI would say it's more like a few $M.23:07
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Trewasbillions, not just one, have been mentioned for rovio's stock market value... but of course they have to be very quick getting to there23:08
rlyYes, they should _race_ to the stock market.23:09
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rlyThe cost to recreate what they did is orders of magnitude less than billions.23:10
rlyI only invest in companies where that is not the case.23:10
nid0ofc it is, its just morons repeating the same mistakes of less than 15 years ago23:10
rlyA large part of it are likely some smart people that exit before the masses.23:10
rlyThey will say how great it is, they will publish a 10 billion number in the Financial Times...23:11
rlyand then they sell :)23:11
rlySame thing really holds for Facebook too.23:11
jacekowskii don't understand it23:11
jacekowskiwhy people are buying it23:12
jacekowskiit's old concept23:12
jacekowskii've seen games like that ages ago23:12
jacekowskieven dos based ones23:12
rlyjacekowski: perfect execution helps.23:12
rlyjacekowski: not anyone else on the platform also helps.23:12
rlyNow, as to why people would actually buy the extra maps? No idea.23:13
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rlyEven Google only has a limited time business-plan.23:14
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rlyIt's good that they are now extending to other domains (like autonomous vehicles, since they will surely need something like that to stay alive).23:15
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TTilusmy n900 just displayed updates icon and it says "Maemo 5" would be upgraded23:41
TTilusany changelog or anything on whats coming up there23:42
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TTilusi now have 20.2010.36-223:43
SpydemonTTilus, I had the upgrade too23:44
Sicelojust a security update. i still haven't got anything23:44
TTilusah, ok23:45
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SpeedEvilTTilus: diginotar--23:47
SpeedEvilThat's it.23:47
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