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| ThreeM | hi there | 00:34 |
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| ThreeM | anyone using BlueMaemo? | 00:34 |
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| Timmyt | Is it possible to run symbian apps on maemo? | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 00:52 |
| Timmyt | Is it possible to run wine on meamo? | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Wine is not an emulator. | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, you could run qemu+wine | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be slow. | 00:56 |
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| Timmyt | How can i rotate the screen? | 00:59 |
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| Timmyt | I saw advanced brightness does this but it needs some libs which are in the developmentall repos | 01:01 |
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| cehteh | wine is packaged for n900 | 01:06 |
| cehteh | but as native wine .. arm binaries ... wtf :P | 01:07 |
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| Timmyt | Which repository? | 01:07 |
| cehteh | dunno devel likely | 01:08 |
| cehteh | someone once ran pearpc on the n900 and booted macos X | 01:08 |
| cehteh | took an afternoon to butt it up :) | 01:08 |
| cehteh | boot | 01:08 |
| cehteh | same for qemu and win3.11 | 01:08 |
| Timmyt | I've seen that in yt | 01:08 |
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| fizzie | There's also a version of dosbox in extras, and dosbox runs win3.1 up to some degree. Probably not much of an improvement over x86-qemu. | 01:17 |
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| cehteh | the firefox for the n900 is recent enough to run fabian bellards x86 emulator in javascript :P | 01:20 |
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| peterbjornxz | ive (like many others) had win95 run in bochs | 01:26 |
| peterbjornxz | was a bit slow but it would be usable if bochs' touchscreen input functioned properly | 01:27 |
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| peterbjornxz | is there any way of fixing console keymap without modding kernel | 02:39 |
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| NIN101 | peterbjornxz | 02:43 |
| NIN101 | yes | 02:43 |
| NIN101 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-08-12.log.html | 02:44 |
| peterbjornxz | thanks, i remembered some of it, but i couldnt find it thru google | 02:47 |
| peterbjornxz | forgot IRC logs existed | 02:47 |
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| mece | ugh | 09:54 |
| mece | what is the harmattan/n9/n950 channel again? | 09:54 |
| mece | also, Mornin' everbody! o/ | 09:55 |
| sandst1 | mece: #harmattan? :) | 09:57 |
| sandst1 | and mornin \o | 09:57 |
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| mece | not #harmattan | 09:58 |
| mece | at least that one is empty | 09:58 |
| mece | wait.. | 09:58 |
| mece | grr | 09:59 |
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| Sicelo | it isn't empty.. i'm there too | 10:01 |
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| Sicelo | i sure hope there's no problem here | 11:04 |
| Sicelo | powertop on my device says state C0, ratio 3.1%, frequency 1150MHz | 11:04 |
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| robbiethe1st | You've set your max speed to 1150mhz? | 11:05 |
| Sicelo | i haven't overclocked, and am on PK47. | 11:05 |
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| robbiethe1st | Open up Conky(install it if needed), and do something, quickly switch back to it | 11:05 |
| robbiethe1st | watch the 'frequency' bit | 11:06 |
| robbiethe1st | That way you can see what speed it's currently at | 11:06 |
| Sicelo | sure. lemme do that just now. in the meantime, i see the column is definitely different from http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management#Powertop | 11:07 |
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| Sicelo | there's no other way to check besides conky? (it needs to download 2MB and i don't presently have the means to do so) | 11:09 |
| robbiethe1st | Oh, well... | 11:09 |
| robbiethe1st | actually, that's normal | 11:09 |
| robbiethe1st | Just checked my own, with PK and a OC up to 1ghz | 11:09 |
| robbiethe1st | it still shows 1.15ghz | 11:09 |
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| Sicelo | but i haven't OC'd, and if i have, inadveterntly, i would like to go back to stock clock rate | 11:10 |
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| robbiethe1st | Which, in a way, is true - the maximum frequency *is* 1.15ghz on PK... it's just limited to less than that by the governer, IIRC | 11:10 |
| Sicelo | ah, ok :) | 11:10 |
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| robbiethe1st | Also, more than likely, if you *did* just let it go up to 1.15ghz, it'd crash almost immediately due to too low voltage, so... | 11:11 |
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| Sicelo | cat /proc/cpuinfo says BogoMIPS 249.96. i feel safe then | 11:16 |
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| kerio | bogomips are bogus | 11:17 |
| kerio | that's where the name comes from | 11:17 |
| Sicelo | lol :P i'll install conky when i have better access | 11:18 |
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| TimmyT | im wanted to design a new theme, so i went here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=36 but i dont know which file i should download. | 11:29 |
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| Dibblah | Great. /home has just given up the ghost for me :( | 11:38 |
| jiero | still consume much power, does the PowerKernel consuming more power? | 11:39 |
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| TimmyT | hahahahaha | 11:39 |
| Dibblah | haha? | 11:40 |
| Sicelo | i don't know jiero. but personally haven't noticed anything unusual. my n900 been up for 46 hours now, cellmo enabled, and 39% battery now | 11:40 |
| TimmyT | the kernel power consume much power | 11:41 |
| TimmyT | powerkernel i mean | 11:41 |
| TimmyT | afaik no, it doesn't | 11:42 |
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| Sicelo | maybe OC :/ | 11:42 |
| jiero | No, I didn't, but it cannot make up 1 half day, every 8 hours it use 20%, with wifi enabled. | 11:44 |
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| Sicelo | when did you install PK? | 11:45 |
| Sicelo | TimmyT: i think get ThemeMaker. it looks to me like nuvofre is a sample theme. i could be wrong | 11:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Here's what you do: Open up Htop(install if needed). Tap on the "time" column. If any application has used over 1 hour of time, kill it | 11:50 |
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| robbiethe1st | It means something's malfunctioning. I personally have to kill hildon-desktop every week or so due to it taking loads | 11:50 |
| TimmyT | Sicelo: yeah it seems, i've downloaded that, but couldn't install that on my debian, it says it is looking for hildon-blah-blah but can't find that, | 11:51 |
| Sicelo | i wonder if that's not in one of the .jars at the bottom of the page | 11:52 |
| Sicelo | let me download too. :) | 11:52 |
| jiero | hildon-desktop use 1.3 percent, and Xorg use 3.2. | 11:53 |
| TimmyT | im going to design some new theme, one may be kde oxygen, but im not sure | 11:53 |
| jiero | Can I have GNOME3 theme? | 11:53 |
| TimmyT | jiero: you asked me this? | 11:54 |
| Cor-Ai | TIMMY! | 11:54 |
| jiero | TimmyT: yes:D | 11:54 |
| jiero | TimmyT: especially the emotion ones, hope to see them in chat. | 11:55 |
| TimmyT | jiero: hmm, dunnu, didn't work with gnome 3 before, but, maybe :D | 11:55 |
| robbiethe1st | No, click the 'time' column | 11:55 |
| robbiethe1st | you're looking for total processing time, not instantanius use. | 11:56 |
| * Sicelo wonders if killing pulse will not have bad consequences | 11:56 | |
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| Sicelo | on mine, it's /usr/bin/Xorg that has used up 11 hours of cpu time. what do u think? | 12:03 |
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| robbiethe1st | Kill it | 12:06 |
| robbiethe1st | it'll restart | 12:06 |
| robbiethe1st | and or reboot the machine | 12:06 |
| kerio | kill it with 9! | 12:07 |
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| Sicelo | runs fine on mine TimmyT. i'm on Debian Squeeze. nice how helping out enlightens you. i tried this theme thing many times and got stuck :P | 12:07 |
| Sicelo | sure robbiethe1st | 12:07 |
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| Sicelo | oh gosh! restart. i was trying to see how long my battey would last me. lol | 12:10 |
| Dibblah | That's odd. /home looked very toasted. Reflashed, everything seems OK. | 12:12 |
| Dibblah | (as in errors in dmesg) | 12:12 |
| Dibblah | Now doing a fill-it-up write test. | 12:12 |
| psycho_oreos | any of you have had issues with the microSDHC port on N900? i.e. mouting/reading issues? I'm sort of hoping that in the worst case scenario, my microSDHC port is screwed but again I highly doubt it. | 12:13 |
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| Dibblah | Define "issues" | 12:14 |
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| psycho_oreos | loads of buffer errors for instance. The card cannot be mounted for r/w and even after running fsck it fails to mount properly | 12:15 |
| robbiethe1st | Pull the card out, plug into USB adaptor | 12:16 |
| robbiethe1st | repeat tests | 12:16 |
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| Dibblah | Yeah, suspect the card before the connector / N900. | 12:17 |
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| Dibblah | Especially if it's a knock-off. Which are very hard to protect yourself against. | 12:17 |
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| psycho_oreos | robbiethe1st, repeated test, similar result. The only difference is that the card reader changes the size of the disk from its original capacity to something that is roughly 12 times its original capacity and then back. During the size of newly detected capacity, the contents are not readable though it is possible to still format the card | 12:19 |
| robbiethe1st | Fried card then | 12:19 |
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| psycho_oreos | I've checked after purchasing the card to see if its a knock-off with F3, The results came back negative (i.e the card is geniuine). | 12:20 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm :| I don't trust my card reader as well. The card reader came as a bonus when one purchases the microSDHC card | 12:21 |
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| psycho_oreos | apart from that I guess I really don't have much other ways to check apart from trying the exact same card in my otehr N900 | 12:21 |
| psycho_oreos | s/otehr/other/ | 12:21 |
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| Dibblah | Great. emmc is holey. | 12:23 |
| psycho_oreos | holey? | 12:23 |
| robbiethe1st | I would trust the fact that two readers are both considering it 'bad' | 12:23 |
| robbiethe1st | just because it's genuine doesn't mean it didn't fail | 12:23 |
| psycho_oreos | true, but I'd be damned if its actually gone bad. Such a short usage and the card goes crap is a little beyond belief, *sigh* guess I may have to contact the supplier (afterall it's claimed to have lifetime warranty) | 12:24 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea, I'd do that. I've had flash memory simply die on me more than once | 12:26 |
| robbiethe1st | And remember that the first few days is the *most* likely time for it to fail | 12:27 |
| psycho_oreos | thanks guys for the input, I'm going to give this card one more whirl with the other N900 before claiming RMA. Also going to try out the other card as well | 12:27 |
| robbiethe1st | after it's worked fine for a week, it'll keep working fine for months or years typically. This applies to most all electronics as well as other complex devices | 12:27 |
| psycho_oreos | bah :/ hate it when it has to happen... hope I won't have the other same spec card failing as well | 12:27 |
| robbiethe1st | Likely not | 12:28 |
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| * psycho_oreos is shocked to be frank :| very much in the phase of denial | 12:29 | |
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| jiero | I found a iPhone 3D engine opensourced, GPL, don't know if somebody interested in dEngine GPLv3 | 12:31 |
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| psycho_oreos | robbiethe1st, nope, exact same result with the other card (same specs, same brand, just different serial numbers if anything). I have had suspicions with the bonus microSDHC -> USB device. Hopefully that will become the case as I test my original bad card in the other N900 (running mkfs.ext2 on the card itself) | 12:40 |
| robbiethe1st | Maby. | 12:41 |
| robbiethe1st | Of course, you could have an incompatible brand/model of card or something? | 12:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | it was working fine with FAT32 (the first card did, the second one was hardly used), then I got a little annoyed with FAT32 | 12:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Well... | 12:44 |
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| robbiethe1st | I do know that some cards prefer fat so they can do empty-block deallocation etc. | 12:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | and that would piss me right off :/ | 12:45 |
| psycho_oreos | would you happen to have a list of those prick-of-a-thing devices? fyi I'm using topram 32GB class 10 microSDHC | 12:45 |
| robbiethe1st | No clue | 12:46 |
| robbiethe1st | I've got an 8GB Sandisk one, but I'm still running fat32 | 12:47 |
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| Mo | Hi. I'm new to maemo or meego, thinking to get a N900. I'm long time linux professional using gentoo and like to customize. People there say Andro.. is the only linux mobile os at the time. Hm, my question, will there still be an active meego in 2 years? I like the N900 platform for its keyboard. | 12:47 |
| psycho_oreos | maemo is dead, meego is somewhat uncertain with lots of touch-and-go at this point in time. | 12:48 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea | 12:48 |
| psycho_oreos | maemo isn't dead community-wise but it is dead in the eyes of nokia imo | 12:48 |
| robbiethe1st | Which it has been for at least a year if not two | 12:48 |
| Mo | psycho_oreos: I see, I read about it. When will Meego be official? So far it is a dev version for those interested? | 12:48 |
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| robbiethe1st | Never will be 'official' as in Nokia-supported | 12:49 |
| psycho_oreos | yup, what robbiethe1st said | 12:49 |
| psycho_oreos | apart from N9, that's about it really | 12:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Which doesn't have meego either. Just a bastardized hybrid of Meego and Maemo | 12:49 |
| Mo | I don't need thousands of Andro.. apps. I like the GTK and Qt support of Meego. I was developping Qt myself on 3 and 4. | 12:50 |
| Dibblah | So it's pretty much Android if you want Linux. | 12:50 |
| robbiethe1st | Mo: Maemo will do the exact same things | 12:50 |
| robbiethe1st | You can pretty much just take your GTK/QT apps, repackage them and use on Meego. of course, hardware support's a bit different | 12:51 |
| robbiethe1st | But stuff that only uses, say, Python and Qt... easily portable | 12:51 |
| psycho_oreos | well according to nokia's website N9 will feature meego 1.2. It won't be like N950 with harmattan (which is a hybrid of both) | 12:51 |
| robbiethe1st | Heck, the same code'll run on your desktop in the case of Python. | 12:51 |
| radiofree | psycho_oreos: Meego 1.2 Harmattan | 12:51 |
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| Sicelo | Mo: bought my first N900 a month ago. i'd rather suffer with it than any android :P | 12:52 |
| psycho_oreos | *slaps self in forehead* exact same as N950 then | 12:52 |
| radiofree | yep :) | 12:52 |
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| robbiethe1st | Yea. N900's great. Especially if you OC and are willing to take the chance of it failing sooner or later... | 12:52 |
| Mo | Where will Meego go? I'm not worried that it will never be Nokia official, I trust in community driven projects. But will there be updates, new browsers and kernels for Meego? Who does work for it currently, also Intel? | 12:52 |
| robbiethe1st | Intel's behind it. Nokia's getting out of it, thanks to Mr. Shill elop | 12:53 |
| psycho_oreos | wasn't toshiba release a netbook with meego? I don't even know whether will that be a bastardised version like nokia's case lol | 12:53 |
| Mo | robbiethe1st: So I could have KMail and Kontakt suite on it? :) | 12:53 |
| robbiethe1st | Actually, maby. If nothing else, you can run it in a chroot without issue | 12:53 |
| robbiethe1st | If it's a C++ app, you'd need to recompile for Maemo, seeing as the dependancies are different | 12:54 |
| psycho_oreos | meego was a joint venture between nokia and intel, nokia pulled out, leaving intel as the primary stakeholder in the whole meego project more or less | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I verified the mysterious indicator LED failure in free air and sun as well | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF?? | 12:54 |
| Mo | Anyway, if there will be new hardware for Meego, then Meego would go on and also the N900 would benefit. | 12:54 |
| psycho_oreos | N900 wouldn't benefit, in fact N900 running meego currently isn't fully supported. I'm presuming lots of things were made compatible if anything | 12:55 |
| Mo | psycho_oreos: Ok, interesting. But Intel does not produce mobiles. It seems at the moment it is quite unsure who culd produce next generation Meego devices? | 12:55 |
| robbiethe1st | There's plenty of OEMs who can do it to spec | 12:55 |
| robbiethe1st | Like what aeva's doing for them as a prototype reference device | 12:56 |
| psycho_oreos | Mo, intel doesn't directly produces mobiles correct, but they were pushing (and I'm sure they still are) pushing moorestown onto mobile devices | 12:56 |
| Mo | psycho_oreos: Ok, I thought N900 would be the main platform for the (not-ready) Meego? You would recommend staying with Maemo so far if I'd get a N900? | 12:56 |
| robbiethe1st | Mo: You can always dual-boot | 12:56 |
| psycho_oreos | Aava mobile for instance used intel moorestown in their rather expensive developer's phone | 12:56 |
| robbiethe1st | But I'd keep Maemo handy, cause it's still good | 12:56 |
| Mo | As for the N900, this is not Intel but ARM? | 12:57 |
| psycho_oreos | Mo, well it isn't really the main platform as such though I'm sure lots of meego-arm devs would be wanting to make meego a community-driven effort to be pushed onto N900 after how nokia pretty much abandoned us | 12:57 |
| psycho_oreos | correct | 12:58 |
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| robbiethe1st | Yes. a TI ARM proc, running at 600mhz stocl | 12:58 |
| Mo | "community-driven effort to be pushed onto N900" would mean developping software for a dead hardware since N900 is not produced anymore? | 12:59 |
| robbiethe1st | Basically, yes. | 12:59 |
| psycho_oreos | and plus like I said, meego still lacks things that maemo normally provides. Albeit meego is more open, it still requires people to port things and make it all work. nitdroid (android on NIT) you can say in colloquial terms is somewhat also in the same shoes | 12:59 |
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| Mo | Anyway I was able to find some N900 on ebay.de but no N810 or N800 at all. | 12:59 |
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| Mo | Ok, development around Maemo is still living, there are main updates for kernels, browsers, and main apps? I'll see what a N900 would cost me.. | 13:00 |
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| robbiethe1st | Yes. | 13:01 |
| psycho_oreos | main updates = community updates only | 13:02 |
| robbiethe1st | And remember, one big feature of it is the ability to run a stock Debian(or ubuntu) chroot, complete with LXDE easily. So you can install anything in the Debian ARM repositories | 13:02 |
| robbiethe1st | You can even use OpenOffice! | 13:02 |
| psycho_oreos | or iceweasel | 13:02 |
| psycho_oreos | ;) | 13:02 |
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| jiero | browser is not open source ... | 13:06 |
| jiero | seems | 13:06 |
| psycho_oreos | the engine is, UI isn't I think | 13:07 |
| jiero | robbiethe1st: I want libreoffice | 13:07 |
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| jiero | psycho_oreos: is there an alternative desktop ? or is it possible? | 13:07 |
| psycho_oreos | and no, under maemo, not everything is opensource. There were indication points noted that maemo is still very much proprietary in many respects | 13:07 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, define `desktop' | 13:08 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: Desktop Environment like KDE/GNOME/Hildon | 13:08 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: or window manage | 13:08 |
| jiero | window manager | 13:08 |
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| psycho_oreos | jiero, it is possible under chroot environment. If you're daring you can try booting into a different distro + its own little wm/de of your choice. I don't know about replacing matchbox UI however | 13:09 |
| psycho_oreos | plus I really don't see any benefit in running any other wm/de when the first two you choices you mentioned are _excessively_ bloated. They won't do anything more than hogging CPU cycles and wasting your time | 13:10 |
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| jiero | psycho_oreos: thanks. I hope there is a N9 UI clone:D | 13:12 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, only time will tell | 13:12 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: time tell nothing if nobody use :D | 13:12 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, nope, time then tells that swipe UI wasn't popular and therefore never got adopted, unlike maemo's case with cordia | 13:13 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: in that case, alternative needed for more UI options. | 13:14 |
| psycho_oreos | jiero, there aren't that many alternatives when you have to consider the amout of work required to make everything run smoothly for the end user. The points I covered above are if anything scraping the tip of the iceberg. All the finger gestures and what not has to work in a fashion that's acceptable and that's not going to fall out from the sky for any wm/de you slap onto your handheld | 13:16 |
| psycho_oreos | the only living reality that exists now is cordia, that is to port fremantle's UI into meego/harmattan framework. | 13:17 |
| psycho_oreos | s/framework/core/ | 13:18 |
| jiero | psycho_oreos: yeah, lots of work. Looking like the same... this reminds me html5 for GNOME3... | 13:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | jiero, if things were made easier then such ramifications are essentially redundant :) you can't please everyone so you may as well please yourself by adopting something that you like rather than trying to put every wm/de that is floating on the cyberspace. | 13:20 |
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| Sicelo | mwkn.net >> Warning: readfile(../../2011/33/.name) [function.readfile]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/andrew/src/mwkn/resources/MWKN.php on line 22 | 13:22 |
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| jiero | psycho_oreos: I will dive into html5 to make my desktop if necessary:D | 13:22 |
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| Dibblah | Is there a 30 minute timeout on rcS-late? | 13:51 |
| Dibblah | Some sort of watchdog... | 13:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dibblah: why? how? | 13:55 |
| Dibblah | I'm trying to run badblocks from in there. | 13:56 |
| Dibblah | And am getting periodic reboots. | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | after 30min?? | 13:56 |
| Dibblah | Or so. Haven't timed it. | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a 60s hw watchdog | 13:57 |
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| Dibblah | No, it's not hitting that. | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a 32min timer in bq24150 charger chip that will tear down emergency charging | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | if bme got not started | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that shouldn't result in reboots | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | see | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flatbatrecover | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang!! | 13:58 |
| Dibblah | It's annoying that the eMMC is such a small ball-pitch. | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot dead? | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dibblah: why? | 13:59 |
| Dibblah | Because I have a faulty eMMC and would like to replace it with a microsd socket. | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | daunting job | 14:00 |
| Mo | robbiethe1st: Oh interesting. I could run a chroot Debian and use all the ARM repo? But as for the kernel I still need the Maemo support? I can't just use a vanilla kernel or debian kernel? | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | the HW IF is different | 14:01 |
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| Dibblah | I _could_ technically just move /home onto the SD card. | 14:02 |
| Dibblah | But if one partition on the eMMC is giving errors, the likelyhood is high that it's just run out of spare blocks. | 14:02 |
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| Dibblah | Hmm. It's getting pretty warm. I wonder if that's the issue :) | 14:09 |
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| jacekowski | have you overclocked? | 14:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so anybody able to contribute to gathering info/hypothesis about that "indicator LED getting greenish/all_off in sunlight" issue? I experienced it on my TWO devices, regularly | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsckng annoying | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | the bright green "charged" gets all dim and random-flickery | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | breathing light fails completely | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | same does the yellow charging flashlight | 14:20 |
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| Cor-Ai | hmm never happend to me | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder if that's mce's fault, or an internal effect of LP5523 | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Cor-Ai: same here, just encountered it every morning in my tent, on CCCamp | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | so first question: how to reproduce? | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | in a controlled technical environment | 14:22 |
| Cor-Ai | go out and camp? | 14:22 |
| Cor-Ai | :p | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | 60W incandescent lamp, 50cm distance, 60min heating time? maybe? | 14:22 |
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| Cor-Ai | don't got the numbers in my head but somting like that sounds fair! | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | for now I tend to blame the internal temeprature compemsation in LP5523 | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | for now I tend to blame the internal temperature compensation in LP5523 | 14:24 |
| Cor-Ai | still? | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, recovered completely | 14:25 |
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| Cor-Ai | hehe well, back to work, glhf! | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | while "in the field" (literally) it was almost impossible to get it to recover. I almost thought LED broke | 14:26 |
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| Venemo | ~ping | 14:35 |
| * Cor-Ai <3 short working sessions | 14:36 | |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, what happened to infobot? | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-08-15 08:14:38] [Notify] apt ist offline (irc.freenode.org). | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-08-15 08:15:24] [Notify] infobot ist offline (irc.freenode.org). | 14:36 |
| Venemo | ah. | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, trying to get a hold on Tim to restart it on his server | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can talk to ibot, but not to the server when ibot is dead | 14:37 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, can I ask you something? | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | no? ;-P | 14:37 |
| Venemo | why not? :P | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh you already did | 14:37 |
| Venemo | what do you think about this hype around telepathy? | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | pfffrrrt | 14:38 |
| Venemo | djszapi and some other guy was furious that I didn't use telepathy in my IRC client for Harmattan | 14:38 |
| Venemo | I asked them what concrete advantages would it give me if I used it | 14:38 |
| Venemo | but they couldn't list any. | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 14:38 |
| Venemo | this was the biggest reasoning: | 14:39 |
| Venemo | [12:26] <djszapi> also, it is sponsored by two big companies, not a leisure time stuff | 14:39 |
| Venemo | ... | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's the hype of the week, to use backends like telepathy, mafw, foobardoodle | 14:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | My take on this: if you want sth to be done *correctly*, do it yourself. If you want a low effort approach that's exactly as good and also as buggy as everybody else's is, use a backend | 14:40 |
| Venemo | then the other guy started to tell me how nice it is that gnome-shell gives popups when someting arrives from telepathy. | 14:40 |
| Venemo | I told him, no gnome-shell in Harmattan, so wtf. | 14:41 |
| Venemo | I do use a backend. first hit at http://www.google.hu/search?q=qt+irc+library | 14:41 |
| Venemo | but for some reason, they think that it's not good enough compared to their precious telepathy... | 14:42 |
| Venemo | "for some reason" means that they couldn't give me any reasonable reasons | 14:42 |
| Venemo | djszapi told me that using telepathy would result in my app's settings shown in the accounts app (which I couldn't care less about, but could add it without telepathy) | 14:42 |
| Venemo | and that's about it. | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | using libraries already in a system is good idea just because somebody else takes care of them | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | mafw a good example: everybody using it, nobody got seamless/gapless mp3 playback, nobody got a mp3 decoder that actually implements a equalizer though that's a ridiculously simple function if you implement it directly to the mp3 decoding converter | 14:43 |
| Venemo | jacekowski, well someone packaged libircclient-qt and it works. that's all there is to it. | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | for telepathy all the same objections and rationale apply | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | libsofiasip (or what it'S called right now) seems doesn't support direct_IP2IP SIP, so no SIP client on N900 can do it | 14:45 |
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| Pali | X-Fade, are you here? | 14:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | AND telepathy is so complex I couldn't even start to do sth about additional functions like generic blocking/replacing of (number of) outgoing calls (aka dialplan), or adding direct_IP2IP SIP | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi Pali :-) | 14:48 |
| Pali | hello | 14:48 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, yeah, exactly my thinking... :) | 14:49 |
| Venemo | on the other hand, the author of the lib I'm using is a friendly guy to whom I can make suggestions and stuff | 14:51 |
| mece | google buys motorla! | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHAHA topic mp3 player: I selected "add all to playlist" for albums view in stock MP3 media player (show all albums of B-52, "menu: add all to playlist") Result: all songs of all records were mixed up in a pseudo random manner, sorting them *alphabetically* WTFLOLMUHAHA | 14:52 |
| _berto_ | Breaking: Google Buys ‘Android Partner’ Motorola For $12.5 Billion | 14:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr WUT?? whole Moto or just the andridiot division? | 14:53 |
| radiofree | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/supercharging-android-google-to-acquire.html | 14:53 |
| _berto_ | whole motorola mobility apparently | 14:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (media player) so first were 3 versions of the song "52 girls" from 3 different records, followed by "6060842" from a forth record | 14:54 |
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| Mo | Reading http://wiki.maemo.org/Alternative_operating_systems I see there is also Gentoo in a chroot? Did anyone try? Then there is Nitdroid. Is there any reason to run this as main OS if you like the N900? | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the one developer implementing this particular functon in this way into media player, I'm all for waterboarding ;-P | 14:56 |
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| scoobertron | Larry Page's blog suggests that patent issues are one reason for the purchase. I bet this is so Google can fight MS over mobile patents as a vendor. | 14:56 |
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| robbiethe1st | Well, *hopefully* this will mean open bootloaders | 14:59 |
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| mece | f*cking google. | 15:02 |
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| * mece doesn't like google. Infact he despises google | 15:03 | |
| zash | mece: What's your reasons? | 15:03 |
| robbiethe1st | I... don't like Android, or Chrome really... But I do think Google's generally on the 'good' side. | 15:03 |
| robbiethe1st | Especially compared to how locked-down Motorola devices are currently | 15:04 |
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| * zash isn't a fan of advertising | 15:05 | |
| robbiethe1st | That is true. But I haven't seen any Google popups/unders, and I'm far more fond of the Google text ads than most other ads | 15:06 |
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| robbiethe1st | I hate frigging animated, flash ads with sound, so I block those. I'm willing to put up with text ads, and static images, but... | 15:07 |
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| mece | zash, I have a general disliking for companies that have their filthy fingers in everything. Google is the everythingest. | 15:09 |
| zash | mece: +1 | 15:09 |
| robbiethe1st | I don't disagree with that | 15:09 |
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| mece | I like some of the separate google services, but I hate the integration and connection between them. I hate that the track me on everything I do. I hate that I have to log out and delete cookies after I've checked my mail to feel ok about it. | 15:10 |
| xkr47 | lol you use "google +1" for agreeing :) | 15:10 |
| zash | robbiethe1st: advertising. annoying ads are just a part of that | 15:10 |
| mece | +1 is older than google. google stole that, the fackers | 15:10 |
| xkr47 | ^^ | 15:11 |
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| robbiethe1st | Well, I'd prefer some advertising than being charged for every little thing | 15:11 |
| robbiethe1st | Mainly because I don't have any money :\ | 15:11 |
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| robbiethe1st | ...Y'know, that'd be interesting. Google, having a huge amount of ads everywhere, could probably offer an "ads free" plan for a couple of dollars per month, that would remove/replace-with-blank all Google ads on all sites so long as you're logged into your Google account | 15:13 |
| zash | the "we want to know everything about you so we can manipulate you into buying stuff you don't want or need" :/ | 15:13 |
| robbiethe1st | Theoretically, true. But if you've got more than an ounce of self-control, I don't see it. | 15:14 |
| robbiethe1st | I've been ignoring advertising for years, along with everyone else who watches TV etc. | 15:14 |
| ruskie | http://gitorious.org/sas <-- in case anyone cares | 15:14 |
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| xkr47 | ruskie, hehe | 15:17 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer: do you know what this file doing? /dev/twl4030-adc | 15:18 |
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| playya_ | moin | 15:27 |
| playya_ | is it possible to flash NOLO? | 15:27 |
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| playya_ | my device keeps bootlooping before it shows the R&D infos | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: aiui it's an ioctl interface to GAIA/twl4030 ADC, which comprises things like battery temp sensor (GAIA:H4, ADCIN0, BTEMP, schematics p.4), ECI_AD (audio AV accessory detection? GAIA:G3, ADCIN2) | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | etc | 15:29 |
| CaCO3 | Hi all | 15:29 |
| CaCO3 | does anybody have access to http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums ? | 15:29 |
| mece | CaCO3, acces how? | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | playya_: yes, it is possible to flash NOLO, but usually not what you want to do | 15:30 |
| mece | s/acces/access/ | 15:30 |
| CaCO3 | I try to log in, but always get this message: There is no content to display on this link or it has restricted access. | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | playya_: ...as you rarely ever destroy NOLO | 15:30 |
| mece | CaCO3, same here. | 15:30 |
| CaCO3 | I guess I do not have the right access rights | 15:31 |
| playya_ | DocScrutinizer, yes | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | playya_: if you did, it won't bot up at all, hw side. So no display will show up at all | 15:31 |
| CaCO3 | sosomething is brocken :( | 15:31 |
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| playya_ | is there any wiki page which describes all stages and how to check if it is working? | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really | 15:31 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, hm. is djszapi sane at all? he suggests using telepathy. when I ask about the advantages, he tells none. he suggests a feature, when I ask him about details, he tells none. | 15:31 |
| CaCO3 | mece: Thanks, at least now I know its not my fault :) | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing NOLO is also caled coldflash | 15:32 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer: I was debugging getbootstate binary and tried to patch open source harmattan getbootstate for n900. Now it may working, code here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_getbootstate/view/head:/getbootstate.c | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: don't ask me | 15:32 |
| playya_ | hmm. ok | 15:32 |
| Venemo | meh | 15:32 |
| Pali | But I did not understand what this code doing: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_getbootstate/view/head:/getbootstate.c#L220 | 15:32 |
| Venemo | he comes from the same country as me, so I felt sympathetic to him... but that is dimishing now. meh. | 15:33 |
| Pali | What is BSI? (it is readed from /dev/twl4030-adc) | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | playya_: but beware, what you see in display isn'T a realtime status display, during boot | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: Batery Size Indicator | 15:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pali: the third pin of your battery | 15:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shall be 100kR always, on BL-5J | 15:34 |
| playya_ | yes. but if it doesn't show the R&D info on the screen it should stop booting in NOLO | 15:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | playya_: where's the spec saying this? | 15:35 |
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| playya_ | no spec. it just think it's done before kernel boot | 15:35 |
| Pali | I debugged from getbootstate binary what getbootstate doing with BSI, see: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_getbootstate/view/head:/getbootstate.c#L582 | 15:36 |
| Pali | Normal battery is BSI between 280 and 568 | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | playya_: boting - with all the options - is a complex process. It's really hard to put simple statements like that one | 15:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pali: yep | 15:37 |
| Pali | and what this number means? | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: some resistance as seen on BSI pin of battery connector | 15:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you'd have to study twl4030 datasheet and circuit from schematics to convert it to a true Ohm value | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | or do some tests with nown resistance | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | known* | 15:38 |
| Pali | thanks | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: there are also test batteries and R&D batteries which both have different value on BSI than "normal" BL-5J | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | other than that BSI is mostly useless, a mere "battery inserted or not?" test basicaly | 15:40 |
| Pali | Yes, I know that, I get this info when I was debugging binary getbootstate in qemu, and it wrote me TEST and SERVICE battery too (see source code) | 15:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | playya_: when "NOKIA" gets displayed on screen this means NOLO got loaded and executed. If device bootloops then, this may have several reasons, like kernel not ok, modules not matching kernel, rootfs borked, whatnot else | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: aaah, yes. trst and service, not test and r&d | 15:43 |
| playya_ | does NOLO check for kernel <-> modules compability? | 15:43 |
| Pali | Battery size indicator means full designed capacity of battery? | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, kernel simply panics when modules don't match | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: it's not even clear if that means "size" or "status" | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: I don't think there's a simple and correct and generally accepted algo to convert BSI resistance value to designed_capacity | 15:45 |
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| Pali | ok | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | some battery types even use BSI with a PTC or NTC to determine cell temperature | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | so while the basic concept is always the same, the particular operation mode is platform specific | 15:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I *know* original BL-5J have 100.0kR on BSI | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK could contribute resistance of BSI on mugen, though it's bogus and even a NTC iirc | 15:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Pali: ask Nokia how BSI is *supposed* to be handled ;-D | 15:48 |
| Pali | I found some BSI info on: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, prolly with lots of edits by me in history | 15:49 |
| Pali | I asked people of getbootstate binary, but they told me that thay do not know... | 15:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | so the " 280 and 568" stanca was planted into their mind during sleep my the Lord? | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/my /by / | 15:52 |
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| Pali | When I was trying to change value (from ioctl) in qemu this is result | 15:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there *has* to be some Nokia 'paper' saying >>BSI: 100kR==original Nokia BL-5J. Not supposed to change value, no temperature coefficient aka NTC/PTC<< or >>BSI: PTC in battery with 100kR@25°C<< or >>BSI: designed_capacity. Algo: R * 3.14 + 4711 = mAh<< | 15:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or even a decicion tree, like: if (R==100000) then original_bl5j=true; else if ((R > 101588) and (R <138000)) then cpacity = R * 3.14 + 4711; else if (R < 99000) then battemp = R * 0.25 + 271; fi; fi; fi | 16:00 |
| RST38h | Mhmmm | 16:00 |
| RST38h | Google is buying Motorola Mobility | 16:00 |
| RST38h | $12.5b | 16:00 |
| _berto_ | yes, and all other companies are very happy about it: http://www.google.com/press/motorola/quotes/ | 16:01 |
| RST38h | SO, every mobile platform manufacturer is going to play Apple now? | 16:01 |
| derf | Why wouldn't they? | 16:01 |
| RST38h | Samsungabsent from the list of quotes | 16:01 |
| RST38h | derf: Because it is futile to compete with a religious cult? | 16:02 |
| derf | Nonsense. The world is full of competing religious cults. | 16:02 |
| RST38h | derf: But the green trashcan does not inspire a cult, does it? | 16:02 |
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| derf | Depends on who's doing the preaching. | 16:03 |
| _berto_ | last time I checked Android was the best-selling smartphone platform worldwide | 16:03 |
| RST38h | derf: not really | 16:03 |
| RST38h | derf: you can preach the divinity of a door knob, does not necessarily mean anyone will listen | 16:03 |
| derf | They will if you're good. | 16:04 |
| RST38h | derf:know any good google preachers? | 16:04 |
| derf | And, more likely, they will if they think it's in their interest to listen. | 16:04 |
| RST38h | nah | 16:05 |
| RST38h | a moment | 16:05 |
| RST38h | derf: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/04/android_wheres_the_profit/ | 16:05 |
| derf | Anyway, Google certainly has no Jobs, but Jobs only really emerged as a popular icon _after_ Apple managed to resuscitate itself. | 16:06 |
| RST38h | derf:wrong again | 16:06 |
| RST38h | derf:people were jerking off at Jobs for years | 16:06 |
| RST38h | starting with Macintosh at least | 16:07 |
| derf | Not in enough numbers to matter. | 16:07 |
| RST38h | well... mm... in sufficient numbers | 16:07 |
| RST38h | If they haven't let Jobs go in the first place, we might be living in a completely different tech world nowadays | 16:08 |
| GAN900 | There would probably be more ponies | 16:09 |
| GAN900 | and rainbows. | 16:09 |
| derf | And cake. | 16:09 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Well, old Apple was going bankrupt under Jobs | 16:09 |
| RST38h | derf: On the other hand, don't you feel that all this tech crap is quickly becoming irrelevant, compared to the *real* changes that are going to hit us all? | 16:09 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: You been watching too much X-Men? ;-) | 16:10 |
| derf | RST38h: I think we've still got a couple fo decades. | 16:10 |
| derf | *of | 16:10 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, either we're all completed fucked or things will get better. | 16:10 |
| RST38h | derf: that I am not sure about | 16:10 |
| RST38h | GAN: currently, I do not see how they can get better | 16:11 |
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| RST38h | GAN: I do see several different scenarios of how they will get worse though | 16:11 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, things've been worse in the past. | 16:11 |
| RST38h | GAN: Who cares about the past? Yes, far enough in the past lots of our predecessors were indentured servants, or slaves, or (for some at least) served in british royal navy, for Tentacled's sake | 16:13 |
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| GAN900 | Point being a decline into endless shit isn't inevitable | 16:14 |
| RST38h | GAN: won't be endless | 16:14 |
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| GAN900 | It just looks very likely given how well public schooling has done its job. | 16:14 |
| RST38h | GAN: Well, for some it will be, but not for all | 16:14 |
| RST38h | But, as long as it is long en | 16:16 |
| RST38h | ough... | 16:16 |
| lupine_85 | allo everyone | 16:17 |
| lupine_85 | some might recall that my N900 broke, I sent it off to nokia for a repair, they sent me back an N8 | 16:17 |
| lupine_85 | they are now sending me an N900 | 16:17 |
| lupine_85 | bottom line: if they try to fob you off, don't take no for an answer :) | 16:17 |
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| Termana | good morning | 16:20 |
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| Shapeshifter | So has anyone actually soldered the USB port back into place and was successful? | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lupine_85: nice | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lupine_85: is there already a talk on tmo, or - even better - a wiki page on maemo wiki, about all the repair experiences and what Nokia offered to do/not to do? | 16:29 |
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| lupine_85 | dunno. It doesn't matter, anyway | 16:30 |
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| lupine_85 | under the terms of the warranty they offer (2 years in the EU), they have a certain minimum level of obligation | 16:30 |
| lupine_85 | even that level of obligation might not meet their statutory requirements under the '99 EU directive | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure it matters. | 16:31 |
| lupine_85 | stubbornly repeating "it's not a replacement" and "I'll use the small claims court if you don't comply" is all the advice required | 16:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | Small claims court risks getting a judge that goes 'you're being offered a mobile phone in compensation, go away' | 16:32 |
| lupine_85 | don't accept an N8, or an E7, not even to sell it to buy something else | 16:32 |
| lupine_85 | SpeedEvil, if you bought a washer-drier that turned out to be faulty and you were offered a washing machine as a replacement, it would not be accepted | 16:32 |
| pat_plus | hello all, does anyone here use meego community edition on N900? | 16:32 |
| lupine_85 | the legislation is pretty clear on what 'replacement' means | 16:33 |
| * javispedro reads now about the google/motorola thing | 16:33 | |
| javispedro | WTF. | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | lupine_85: Sure - and that makes no difference at all if the judge has a servant to do that for them, and doesn't actually understand what a washing machine does. | 16:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | I'd never send in my n900. I wouldn't see it again I think. | 16:34 |
| Shapeshifter | Or it would take months | 16:34 |
| lupine_85 | SpeedEvil, course it does. this is the whole point of courts | 16:34 |
| Termana | javispedro, I for one welcome our new Google overlords. Soon they will buy everyone out. | 16:34 |
| pat_plus | if so, does the N900 handset UX have an available file manager? | 16:34 |
| pat_plus | (apart from terminal)? | 16:34 |
| lupine_85 | Shapeshifter, it's taken 3 weeks and I had to threaten legal action, but it's worked out | 16:34 |
| Shapeshifter | lupine_85: I'm pretty handy with the soldering iron. | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | lupine_85: How quaint. You believe that courts always give the correct verdict. | 16:34 |
| lupine_85 | not always, but for something this clear-cut they can't get it wrong | 16:35 |
| lupine_85 | and if they do, you're left with the remedy nokia originally suggested | 16:35 |
| Shapeshifter | my warranty has run out anywaay. | 16:35 |
| * SpeedEvil may be biased, as he's spent the past 3-4 weeks reading appeal decisions of the upper tribunal for benefits appeals. | 16:35 | |
| lupine_85 | small claims courts are very straightforward | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 16:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I know. | 16:37 |
| lupine_85 | you take in a copy of the advertising that mentions mameo, and show that the new phone doesn't have it, and tell them that's the reason you bought the phone | 16:37 |
| javispedro | Termana: so Motorola makes a comment about "enforcing" their possiblyAndroid patents and Google answers by buying them out? | 16:37 |
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| lupine_85 | if it ever gets that far | 16:38 |
| lupine_85 | as the nokia representative told me: "you're completely in the right and I'm not going to try to argue it" | 16:38 |
| javispedro | lupine_85: as I said, giving you an N8 is a goodwill move. | 16:39 |
| lupine_85 | no it isn't | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | pat_plus: A) wrong channel, and B) meego/harm has a policy of "there's no visible filesystem" | 16:39 |
| javispedro | for them it is. | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | lupine_85: Sorry I'm jaded - I've been reading thousands of pages in preparation ofr my appeal. | 16:39 |
| lupine_85 | javispedro, no, it doesn't meet their minimum requirements under the law | 16:39 |
| javispedro | for the average customer it does and wonderfully | 16:39 |
| lupine_85 | what, for the average N900 customer ? | 16:40 |
| javispedro | yes | 16:40 |
| lupine_85 | I rather suspect not | 16:40 |
| Shapeshifter | In any case, this doesn't really answer my question :> | 16:40 |
| javispedro | lupine_85: you'd be surprised. | 16:40 |
| Shapeshifter | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=693493&postcount=12 this seems to have worked. | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: It depends. | 16:40 |
| lupine_85 | I read quite a few threads before I sent it off to nokia care with people getting back an N8 and being rather disgruntled | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | pat_plus: you may want to /join #harmattan | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: It varies from a simple repair, to a really ratehr complex one. | 16:40 |
| lupine_85 | anyway, if it's a replacement for you, great | 16:40 |
| * javispedro sighs | 16:41 | |
| lupine_85 | if you don't consider it a replacement, don't accept it as one | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: Do you have a pic of the USB port attach area? | 16:41 |
| lupine_85 | and you will get an N900 instead | 16:41 |
| javispedro | lupine_85: I am not saying _FOR ME_, I'm saying Nokia thinks it is. Standard practice. Newer model replaces older model. | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | pat_plus: ooops, meegoCE, that's #meego-arm then | 16:41 |
| pat_plus | Thanks DocScrutinizer | 16:41 |
| lupine_85 | javispedro, newer model in the same line replaces older model in the same line | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | pat_plus: yw, np | 16:41 |
| javispedro | lupine_85: and exactly as I said, if you make a quick comment about how it is not that way for you, then they quickly change it, but making you wait. | 16:41 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: really? It seems like the board is usually undamaged. I can just buy a new micro usb socket at a store and attach it? Well, mine's not broken yet but I wonder if it's starting to get lose and if I should preemptively glue/solder it to the board or wait until it comes off. | 16:41 |
| lupine_85 | a washing machine can never be a replacement for a washer-dryer unless you never use the dryer functionality | 16:41 |
| javispedro | lupine_85: *N* series | 16:41 |
| javispedro | lupine_85: that's all the Nokia Care employee knows about | 16:42 |
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| lupine_85 | javispedro, yes, they're completely different model lines though | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: The pads can be physically ripped off the board. | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: If this has happened, it gets much more complex to repair. | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: If it's still working, in principle, it's pretty simple to repair. | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | As the pads at the back are still connected. | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | lupine_85: anyway it is definitely useful to have all the case studies and the number of actual N900 repairs/replacements aggregated somewhere | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | as well as your advice | 16:44 |
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| lupine_85 | it'll certainly start to get interesting following the expiration of the 2 year warranty | 16:45 |
| lupine_85 | (nokia's legal obligations don't end at that point, it all just becomes somewhat less clear-cut) | 16:46 |
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| * lupine_85 is glad he lives somewhere with more than half-arsed consumer protection laws | 16:48 | |
| lupine_85 | if the USB socket falls out at three years, they'll be repairing it for free for me | 16:49 |
| lupine_85 | which is just as well, since I'm *terrible* at soldering | 16:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: mhh. And what about what that guy did in this post? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=693493&postcount=12 as he didn't attach the port to the pads but to some components directly.. | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Not needed, if it works at the moment | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | As all of the pads are still there | 16:55 |
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| frals | http://i.imgur.com/H4lcN.jpg :D | 16:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | If you look at the full image, you can see the 'brown' looking areas - these are where pads have been ripped physically off the board, and you have bare board with no copper. | 16:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 16:56 |
| Shapeshifter | ahh | 16:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | So you need to connect back to other bits if they are ripped off, as ... | 16:59 |
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| jacekowski | shoddy soldering there i can see | 16:59 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, i've written that sentence backwards pretty much | 16:59 |
| Shapeshifter | jacekowski: yoda? | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: that's the way recommended when the pads came off | 17:00 |
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| lupine_85 | somewhat less ephemeral than IRC | 17:10 |
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| Triscar0 | my maemo says full memory and phone is fucked:) have been reading about it and its noo good? | 17:19 |
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| gotten1 | sell it and buy iphone :) | 17:20 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 17:20 |
| Nido | following http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware; if i want to completely flash my n900, i need to first do 'flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f', followed by 'flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R'. is this correct? | 17:20 |
| SpeedEvil | If you can't be bothered to debug | 17:20 |
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| Triscar0 | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on | 17:21 |
| Triscar0 | ups | 17:22 |
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| Triscar0 | how to delete a folder and all files in it? | 17:23 |
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| Sicelo | rm -rf <directory> | 17:26 |
| Sicelo | be absolutely sure you want to do it though | 17:26 |
| Sicelo | no recycle bin :P | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nido: yes | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nido: if the first part doesn't work (I.E. stalls or sth), the do B A B sequence, flashing 2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM two times, first and last | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | then* | 17:59 |
| nid0 | sigh | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 18:01 |
| nid0 | 2 people with the same name on the same network = akward | 18:01 |
| kerio | duel to the death! | 18:05 |
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| zash | kerio: Now that's a good way to enforce global uniqueness | 18:08 |
| zash | kerio: I wonder if it would work for "decentralized" DNS | 18:08 |
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| lardman | I need some DBus gurus, well one anyway | 18:13 |
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| lardman | I'm invoking a DBus method and my application tries to start again even if one is already running, is this normal behaviour? | 18:14 |
| lardman | i.e. does my app need to check whether it's the primary instance and then forward the call, or is there something messed up | 18:14 |
| javispedro | lardman: your app needs to take ownership of that name | 18:14 |
| javispedro | so that dbus knows "hey, someone already grabbed this name, I don't need to launch anyone anymore" | 18:15 |
| lardman | javispedro: yes it has ownership of the name | 18:15 |
| javispedro | then it should work :S | 18:15 |
| lardman | ok, so I've messed up somewhere, cool | 18:15 |
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| lardman | ah, typo in Q_CLASSINFO() might explain it | 18:16 |
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| lardman | it appears that dashes are not allowed in interface names | 18:16 |
| lardman | or at least if they are present it doesn't work | 18:16 |
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| lardman | hmm, that doesn't seem to have solved it | 18:19 |
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| lardman | if the app isn't running it is started, but if it is DBus moans about a dead child process exiting | 18:20 |
| lardman | which is fine, as that should happen if it tries to re-register with DBus | 18:20 |
| lardman | the question is really why the method isn't invoked on the running process, rather than starting a new one | 18:21 |
| lardman | or trying to anyway | 18:21 |
| lardman | hmm, might be another typo (had to change names to get rid of the dash)... | 18:23 |
| * lardman rebuilds | 18:23 | |
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| javispedro | lardman: you can use dbus-monitor to see what names it tries to register | 18:25 |
| lardman | javispedro: looks like it was the second typo that knackered it after all | 18:26 |
| lardman | dbus-monitor doesn't see method calls though afaict | 18:26 |
| javispedro | not for --system | 18:26 |
| javispedro | but it does for --session | 18:27 |
| lardman | I'm on --session | 18:27 |
| javispedro | then use --session --type=method_call | 18:27 |
| javispedro | and it should work | 18:27 |
| lardman | ah ok | 18:27 |
| javispedro | unless there's something new in aegis that broke it .... :P | 18:27 |
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| lardman | I've not tried adding that, will have a look | 18:28 |
| lardman | atm I'm seeing that my method call has the wrong number of params, so that's a good sign | 18:29 |
| lardman | it has taken an awfully long time to work out what was wrong | 18:29 |
| lardman | - the dashes | 18:29 |
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| lardman | phew, all working at last | 18:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 18:52 |
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| Shapeshifter | Grid, huh. | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: brownout? | 19:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | you can close and open clusters, man. | 19:18 |
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| Nido | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nido: what for? | 21:51 |
| Nido | the advice on the flashing earlier | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 21:51 |
| Nido | it was at 16:58, it is not 20:51, so it was a while ago | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I gather it worked? | 21:52 |
| Nido | nid0: say, were you at CCC camp, and if so, were you at the Hxx barbecue? | 21:52 |
| nid0 | me? no | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ??? | 21:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer was, though | 21:53 | |
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| Nido | DocScrutinizer: not yet, still making my backup | 21:53 |
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| Nido | nid0: somebody else has used my registration as 'nido' at the barbecue. probably someone who scanned the guest list, but it would be funny if an actual nido took that spot | 21:54 |
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| nid0 | yer wasnt me :) | 21:55 |
| Nido | DocScrutinizer: I was there too. spent most of my time at the hxx square, mate salespoint and the HoaP. | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 21:55 |
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| Nido | where were you at? I met so many new people I don't remember most of it | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nido: here and there - and maerchenwald | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I dropped by the HXX tent several times, to get some small wires to fix my sunglasses etc | 21:57 |
| Nido | the free hardware box in there was mine | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | have a look at the lasercutter engine | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 21:57 |
| Nido | where was the maerchenwald | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | left of err kourou? (left bunker) | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | the place with the xenon neamer and mirrorball in the trees | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | beamer | 21:58 |
| Nido | thats near the family village and the infodesk? | 21:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | somewhat | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | the tents on the lawn, with all the sofas with hackers | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | huge tents roofs | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and bars | 21:59 |
| Nido | with a bar? sounds like trockendock; only found out about that the last day. met a german there who wanted to practice his dutch | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | nono, not trockendock, way more central | 22:01 |
| Nido | did they have the burger and pizza sale there? | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | between left lecture bunker and pizza/burger | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 22:01 |
| Nido | yea. Spent some time there as well. At one moment it was the only place within 20km to get mate | 22:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 22:02 |
| Triscar0 | i have stored alot of files in /home is that why my memory is full and n900 fucked? so if i delete the folders it will be ok? | 22:04 |
| Nido | I figured since i had it logged on the wireless network all the time, it would probably be a good idea to fully flash the device. There's still a bit of leftovers from the previous owner and some experiments, so I figure starting with a clean system isn't a bad idea anyway | 22:05 |
| Sicelo | mabye the files Triscar0. you don't want to delete a needed directory by mistake | 22:06 |
| Triscar0 | i know what folders to delete, then its no problem? | 22:07 |
| Triscar0 | i have added them myself | 22:07 |
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| Sicelo | unfortunately i'm no expert here Triscar0 | 22:10 |
| Sicelo | what do u get from df -h / | 22:11 |
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| Triscar0 | me? | 22:13 |
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| Triscar0 | 61% use | 22:14 |
| mase76 | hi! nobody takes care about the repositories? i am posting bugreports, write emails, nobody answers! | 22:14 |
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| Triscar0 | but have 100% on many other places | 22:15 |
| Triscar0 | is repository down? | 22:15 |
| mase76 | no. a wrong package version went to extras. it is not installable. i reported this weeks ago. | 22:16 |
| Sicelo | what is hapening to your N900 as a result Triscar0 | 22:16 |
| Triscar0 | ok, i cant find vlc and firefox in repository so something is wrong with my phone | 22:17 |
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| Triscar0 | what do you mean sicelo? | 22:17 |
| mase76 | for now, i think, the repos are nothing more than an automated mess. nobody cares. | 22:19 |
| Triscar0 | is there a surrveilence app for n900 to view ip cams ? | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Triscar0: filled /home is a sufficient reason for device to act up | 22:20 |
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| Triscar0 | ok then i know the problem;) | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Triscar0: you got 'only' 2GB of space on /home which includes /opt | 22:21 |
| Triscar0 | ok | 22:22 |
| Shapeshifter | Does someone know if ffprobe is in one of the packages in th repos? | 22:22 |
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| * Sicelo makes a note of that.. about /home | 22:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer | df -h /home | 22:23 |
| Triscar0 | i did that, its 100% full | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually df -h, none of the main filesystems should exceed 95% filling | 22:23 |
| Triscar0 | i have 7 thats full;) | 22:24 |
| mase76 | isn't there any admin, who can clean this up? | 22:24 |
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| Triscar0 | 100% | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes a " echo >/var/log/syslog" might be a good idea as well (if you installed syslog pkg) | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mase76: you're that admin ;-) | 22:26 |
| mase76 | no, keep serious! who does it? | 22:28 |
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| Triscar0 | cant find out my lock code, bought my n900 used online and it was factory reset but the lock code is not 12345 and the guy i bought i from dont remember, cant find out how to write the jack the ripper command to crack the code scanning only for numbers | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Triscar0: reset your lockcode then | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | as long as device isn't locked it's simple | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski made a pkg for that | 22:35 |
| Nido | DocScrutinizer: I would be interrested in that as well, recovering the code wan't all that great | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 22:35 |
| nid0 | yer resetting the code from a non-locked device is well-documented on the forum as well | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno the pkg name, but you should find it somewhere in -devel I think | 22:36 |
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| Triscar0 | thnx! im going to look that up. | 22:38 |
| Triscar0 | nice to be at work sitting on my ass while my welding robot do the job! ;) | 22:39 |
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| jacekowski | code_reset | 22:49 |
| jacekowski | or code-reset | 22:49 |
| jacekowski | i don't remember exactly | 22:49 |
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| Triscar0 | i cant get in to /home with a usb cable? have to transfer the files over wifi to my computer? | 23:58 |
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