IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-06-06

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SpeedEvil:)00:08
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bindihow's mobile hotspot supposed to work?00:18
bindiI have enhanced linux kernel00:18
bindiI tried it but it doesnt work00:18
bindiit starts.. after that my phone tells me theres no internet connection and tells me to pick a new one00:19
bindiin that list, I can see the ap I created00:19
bindiothers cant00:19
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bindiactually now I get a hotspot failed to start00:23
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Maceris there a better video player?00:38
Macerthe default isn't bad but the zooming sucks :)00:38
Macerdoes m5 have canola?00:39
SpeedEvilVideo player?00:40
Maceryes00:40
SpeedEvilYou mean for not flash?00:40
arvutMacer: try VLC00:40
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Maceryes00:40
Maceroh.. vlc for maemo?00:40
Macerdidn't know that00:41
arvutoh right00:41
arvuti'm in here =)00:41
Macerdoes canola even do video?00:41
arvutbut sure, it works under easy debian I think00:42
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Maceri would try to avoid easydeb at all costs ;)00:42
arvutnot sure why you would want to use the n series for watching movies on tho00:42
Macersomething about chroots00:42
arvutaha00:42
Macerwhy? it works fine00:42
Maceri just have 4:3 avis00:43
Macerthat i would rather stretch out00:43
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arvutso small monitor tho00:43
arvutI prefer using mine for music, photos and ircing00:44
arvutand occasionally surfing on00:44
arvutff4 is somewhat a pain tho00:44
Macerit isnt too bad on the go00:44
Maceror at an airport00:44
Maceri dont like lugging around a laptop if i dont have to00:45
arvutno, not at all. considering having tabs and addons00:45
arvutI much prefer my desktop i7 =P00:45
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Macerheh. i much prefer my television ;)00:46
Macerbut that doesn't fit in a pocket00:46
arvut=)00:46
Macermaybe i should carry around a portable projector and the av cables for the n90000:46
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arvutcould be cool00:46
Macerheh00:47
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Macerah well. let me see if there is a better media player00:47
SpeedEvilmplayer works, and can do that.00:47
Maceri remember canola being good but haven't used it since the n81000:47
SpeedEvilBut it sucks more battery00:47
Maceri am charged ;)00:47
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Macercharging00:48
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* SpeedEvil needs to find a small boost converter to finish off his thingy.00:48
SpeedEvil150mAh battery, 3-5V converter -> swap battery thingy00:48
arvutI ordered a mügen power battery for my n900. amazing stuff00:49
Macerhuh?00:49
arvut2400mAh00:49
Macerdoesn't it make it so you cant use your cam?00:49
jacekowskiyou can00:50
jacekowskiyou get another cover and everything00:50
jacekowskiit's just making tablet even bigger00:50
Macerdoes it come with the cover with cam access?00:50
jacekowskito the point where 9 out of 10 will mistake it for a brick00:50
Macerhaha00:50
jacekowskiinstead of just 5 out of 1000:50
Maceri am not one to care for the size if it stays in use for 3 days without needing a charge00:51
jacekowskihttp://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/media/catalog/product/cache/5/image/1000x500/e5c3f25dbe2a3021345b55270d5894a1/h/l/hli_n900xl_newdoor.jpg00:51
arvutMacer: yeah, but no lid lock00:52
arvutso you have to be careful with it, even more careful00:52
jacekowskiwell, many phones have no lid on camera00:52
jacekowskiiphone00:52
arvutjacekowski: that would explain the shitty cam on iphones then =)00:53
arvutthat battery makes my phone 7mm thicker tho, but there is a tighter fit with the new cover. and the hole into the camera is like a pit00:53
arvutcurrently I'm keeping the extra battery with me at all times so when I run out of slim-battery power, I shut down and change to the bigger one.00:55
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jacekowskii just have solar powered charger00:55
arvutthat would be hax, where can I get one?00:56
jacekowskimaplin00:56
* SpeedEvil ponders a 8*AA back.00:56
vldcnstD cells!00:56
SpeedEvil6.4Ah00:56
Macerheh00:56
Macerah i see00:57
Macerso you keep the lid open by default?00:57
jacekowskihttp://www.maplin.co.uk/solar-fast-charger-with-torch-38924800:57
Maceri would't get something that unless i was in the safari00:57
jacekowskiit has internal battery00:57
jacekowskican be charged from usb00:57
jacekowskiso you charge it over usb/sun00:57
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jacekowskiand then you can charge phone or any kind of usb shit with it00:57
Macerjacekowski: solar powered?00:58
jacekowskiyes00:58
Macer10 days for a full charge? :)00:58
jacekowski150mA charge from sun00:58
SpeedEvilIn other words - at the equator in full sun if you point it at the sun all the time, it'll charge in a day00:59
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Macerheh01:05
Maceri guess it would work as an awesome act of desperation01:05
jacekowskiit will charge faster01:05
jacekowskiit has internal battery for that01:05
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Maceryeah but once it has a good enough charge... lions are eating you01:07
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jacekowskithey have no mobile coverage in africa anyways01:08
SpeedEvilActually - that's not really true.01:08
SpeedEvilSome bits of course - but...01:09
jacekowskimaybe in tourist places01:09
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jacekowskibut once you are somewhere else iridium is your only hope01:10
Maceryeah but you may need the flash to signal for help01:10
Macer:)01:10
jacekowskiand some iridium terminals have like 3weeks standby time01:10
Maceriridiums are kind of crappy. i had to use them all the time in iraq01:10
jacekowskiwell expect delays01:11
jacekowskibut quality was ok01:11
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cero_absolutoso a question... this whole AT&T tethering thing... am i doing something wrong? I've been tethering with my prepaid vodofone sim card from india for the past 5 months... came back turned on my AT&T service again and switched sim cards01:41
cero_absolutoi have an unlimited data plan, but can't seem to do the straightforward connection where i enter the APN user/pass into the ubuntu network manager thing01:42
cero_absolutoseems to work through the hotspot, but i don't quite understand why the other method doesn't work01:43
cero_absolutoMobile Broadband method vs. n900 as wired internet through hotspot01:44
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cero_absolutoI mean, as long as one method works, i guess i have no reason to complain01:48
Macerkmplayer is pretty good01:50
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user__hi guys02:36
user__so i downloaded the adblock plugins for n900 default browser02:36
user__and now i cant see pictures at certain site02:37
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user__any help?02:37
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SpeedEvildivodurum: Find out how to configure adblock02:38
divodurumehh02:39
divodurum...how?02:39
SpeedEvilI've no idea, never having used adblock.02:39
divodurumcwell,crap02:39
SpeedEvilI'd suggest searching for maemo adblock configuration or something on google.02:39
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divodurumits sort of weird you know02:40
divodurumtpics work fine on other sites02:40
divodurumbut on this one they wont02:40
cero_absolutoi dunno, probably similar to configuring it under firefox on a regular pc02:40
cero_absolutoeither that or just uninstall adblock to see the pictures02:41
SpeedEvilThat's simply as the pics on one site are presumably hosted on a blacklisted server.02:41
divodurumguess ill give it a shot then02:41
SpeedEvilHow do you think adblock works?02:41
divodurumme?02:41
divodurumfucking magic thats how02:41
SpeedEvilIt's got a list of servers it won't show images from.02:43
divodurumyou know its nothing crazy, thw site i mean02:45
divoduruma finnish "chan"02:45
divodurumhmm, deleting seemed to work02:46
divodurumthanks for ghelp i guess02:46
SpeedEvilThe lists are generally community maintained.02:49
MohammadAGit should be configurable through microB extensions02:50
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Macerthor was stupid03:10
Maceri skipped through 80% of it03:11
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MohammadAGcopying from eMMC to HDD to uSD is faster than eMMC to uSD for some reason03:25
merlin1991weird03:26
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MohammadAGcould be cause I'm using the same USB connection (obviously)03:26
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Copying directly - on the device - goes about as fast as simply reading03:29
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, no, using a USB connection both ways03:29
SpeedEvilyeah - I know03:30
MohammadAGshouldn't the eMMC be faster over USB?03:30
SpeedEvilWhy?03:30
SpeedEvildd - or something on device - is gaster03:31
SpeedEvilfaster03:31
SpeedEvilAs there is no USB load. There isn't much in it though03:31
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MohammadAGdding something on the eMMC kills my device03:31
SpeedEvilOdd./03:32
MohammadAGI had to reboot while it was dding once03:32
cehtehfrom µSD to emmc?03:33
cehtehthere is some race, the kernel will eventually recover but you have to be very patient03:34
cehtehmeans, waiting for 20 minutes or so :P03:34
MohammadAGI waited for an hour :p03:35
cehtehsame for rsyncing at full speed03:35
cehtehi usually just use --bwlimit to throttle it at lets say 75% of maximum speed that works more reliable for me03:35
MohammadAGanyway, 5+7 minutes is better than 1 hour03:35
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SpeedEvilOdd03:36
SpeedEvilrsync just works for me03:36
cehtehfrom emmc to µsd?03:36
SpeedEviloh03:37
SpeedEvilI use it from emmc to PC over wifi03:37
SpeedEvilso...03:37
cehtehyes thats not a problem there is some race when you use µsd and emmc both at high/max speed03:37
cehtehsometimes happens, sometimes not.. if you transfer massive amounts of data then you see it most likely03:38
cehtehif it also swaps then more03:38
MohammadAGso I've moved my songs from the eMMC to my uSD03:38
cehtehwhy with dd?03:38
MohammadAGumm, normal cp actually03:39
MohammadAGnever said dd03:39
cehtehah SpeedEvil did03:39
MohammadAGhopefully playback performance will increase now03:39
cehtehhow that?03:39
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cehtehplaying songs at twice their speed? :)03:39
MohammadAGless simultaneous access to the eMMC03:39
MohammadAGwhere does DBus "live" btw?03:40
SpeedEvilI may have just been doing read/write tests - I don't think I did read/write between devices03:40
* cehteh has no problems with playback except under really high load03:40
SpeedEvildbus is not a filesystem03:40
MohammadAGI know03:40
cehtehits a daemon03:40
SpeedEvilOTOH - recording is rarely completely smooth for me.03:40
MohammadAGbut why does DBus choke when the system is under load03:40
SpeedEvilWhich is annoying03:40
SpeedEvilDbus is a process.03:40
SpeedEvilIt requires scheduling.03:40
cehtehMohammadAG: maybe swapping?03:41
SpeedEvil^video recording03:41
MohammadAGDBus slowdown is the only thing causing bad media playback03:41
cehtehyes video gets easily jittery03:41
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* cehteh playing netradio, having microb open with a massive page (whole book) and doing fapman updating .. now audio had some short gap03:43
cehtehswapping i say03:43
lolcatHow do I accept dcc?03:43
cehtehrtfm about your IRC channel? open your firewall03:43
ScifiCan anyone recommend the "right" way to run cron jobs as root? The app Alarmed doesn't cut it for me03:44
cehteh.. forget about dcc03:44
cehtehalarmd never worked for me too, but i didnt tried hard03:45
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SpeedEvilScifi: I dunno.03:46
SpeedEvilScifi: I added a file to /etc/sudoers.d - to add a line to sudoers for a script03:47
ScifiI want to run a backup script as root.03:47
SpeedEvilAnd then sudo script03:47
ScifiSpeedEvil: I added user to to sudoers for that one command. Then it got more complicated because I am using gpg encryption keys which are not available for user.03:48
cehtehScifi: for that i have a ssh-cron-agent script which can be used from any kind of automatic scripts03:49
cehteh(didnt used it on the n900 yet)03:49
SpeedEvilsudo also lets you run stuff as root03:49
Scificehteh: Is there any package dependency for it to run?03:50
cehtehno its just a bash script and i am searching for it to put it on my server wait a minute03:51
cehtehwell it needs ssh-agent of course03:51
cehtehit starts a ssh-agent in the back which is used by scripts03:51
cehtehyou have to preen this ssh-agent once with the key of course, thats the price of security and not having passwordless keys03:52
ScifiSpeedEvil: sudo command is working fine but the script I am running (with sudo) calls duplicity and uses encryption keys which are not available for user. I want to avoid adding the keys to user.03:52
SpeedEvilyou use sudo to run the command as root03:52
SpeedEvilSorry - not understanding the problem.03:52
ScifiSpeedEvil:sudo /root/backupscript.sh is the command03:53
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SpeedEvilWith a properly setup sudoers file, this will run the command as root03:54
ScifiSpeedEvil: backupscript.sh has this command duplicity remove-older-than 1M --encrypt-key "****" --sign-key blah blah..03:54
ScifiWhen i run the command as user gpg cries saying secret keys are missing03:55
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Scifi/root/.gnupg has the secret keys, /home/user/.gnupg does not have the secret keys03:56
SpeedEvilYou've not setup sudoers right.03:56
SpeedEvilIf you set it up right - it will run the script as root when you use sudo03:56
Scifiuser ALL = NOPASSWD: /root/backupscript.sh03:57
ScifiIsn't that correct?03:57
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cehtehwhat password does it ask, user password or for some backup server where you want to push the backup to?03:58
cehtehand iirc without spaces around the = .. but i am not sure, i dont rtfm right now03:59
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Scifigpg: no default secret key: secret key not available04:00
Scifigpg: [stdin]: sign+encrypt failed: secret key not available04:00
SpeedEvilScifi: you know that sudoers is overwritten at each boot?04:00
cehtehoutch04:00
cehtehnokiaisms04:00
cehtehSpeedEvil: really?04:01
cehtehunbelieveable04:01
ScifiSpeedEvil: Haven't had that problem.04:01
SpeedEvilsee above comments about *.d directory04:01
ScifiThat sudoers command is in /etc/sudoers.d/backup.sudoers04:02
cehtehhttp://www.pipapo.org/snippets/ssh-cron-agent  anyways, just in case its for any use for you04:02
SpeedEvilScifi: you know that's only copied to sudoers at boot?04:02
Scificehteh: Thanks, will try04:02
cehtehinstead the crontab @reboot of course a event.d or init.d startup will do too04:03
ScifiSpeedEvil: Not aware of that04:03
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ScifiSpeedEvil: any suggestions on changing the sudoers?04:04
cehtehScifi: you send the backup to another computer?04:04
SpeedEvilreboot, or echo the line into it04:04
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cehtehi'd recomment to pull the backup rather than pushing it then04:04
Scificehteh: Yes currently pushing to server. Using autodisconnect so have tweak it little to make pull from server work. But will try that option as well04:05
ScifiSpeedEvil: I added the file long time ago (month), rebooted many times after that. sudo seems to be working. For example, I get perm denied when i run $/root/backupscript.sh04:06
SpeedEvilk04:07
ScifiSpeedEvil: But the script starts when i run $sudo /root/backupscript.sh although it fails later with gpg error.04:07
SpeedEvilWell - it sounds like somehow it's not running as the right user - unless I've misunderstood.04:08
cehtehScifi: perhaps sudo doesnt provide a full login environment so you are still in the wrong $HOME04:09
ScifiSpeedEvil:cehteh: Yes that is my understanding too.04:10
* cehteh uses 'sudo su -' on his laptop to get a real root04:11
cehtehi dont do such tricks on the n90004:11
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lolcatHello04:11
lolcatMy bitcoin investment paid of, I am now 6800% richer than when I started04:12
ScifiFWIW I have a check in script to exit the script if user is not root -->  if [ `whoami` != "root" ]; then log error and quit04:12
lolcatWhen will the N9 be aout?04:12
Jartzaa.out04:12
cehtehnever? tomorrow? someday? .. who knows04:12
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lolcatout*04:13
lolcatIsn't it revealed yet?04:13
cehtehlolcat: when did you started?04:13
lolcatDec 4th 201004:13
* cehteh isnt sure if all is a scam, most likely it is04:13
lolcatAll what is a scam?04:13
cehtehbitcoin04:13
lolcatWhy would it?04:13
cehtehnot the idea but how its pushed currently04:14
lolcatI can now buy an Asus EEE Pad Transformer *AND* a Nokia N904:14
cehtehrumors say the initiators herding many bitcoins04:14
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lolcatWhy would they?04:14
cehtehkeep demand low, increase the value .. hype it and then bail out04:15
lolcatNobody with high volume would profit of dumping it04:15
cehteherr keep supply low04:15
cehtehwe'll see04:15
lolcatWith the voulme of sales today, it can be sustained04:15
cehtehwell we'll see04:16
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cehtehi dont have any machine where it is economic to mine with and i have no one who owes me bitcoins04:16
cehtehso i stopped my node for now and wait and see04:16
cehtehalso the idea to waste electricity to generate bitcoins is a bit borked04:17
lolcatI have free power04:17
cehtehsome timestamping and signing would be better04:17
cehtehno power is free, someone has to pay for it04:17
cehtehmaybe not you04:18
lolcatI pay04:18
cero_absolutowhoa bitcoins04:18
lolcatBut I pay a fixed amount04:18
cehtehwell you could send me 0.001 bc just to get my balance out of 0 :)04:18
lolcatIs it possible to run bitcoin on Meego?04:18
cehtehyou burn your device most likely04:18
lolcatcehteh: Can you send me a N9?04:18
cehtehhaha no04:19
lolcatI am using a damn Nokia N97 mini04:19
cehtehi am only asked for 0.001 .. thats how much worth in $ at the current imaginary exchange value?04:19
lolcatIt sucks SO hard04:19
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lolcatcehteh: It is around $16.50 now04:19
cehtehwhats the smallest amount of bitcoins you can send around?04:20
lolcatBut my wallet is encrypted04:20
myuudoes anyone use that twitter plugin for conversations/contacts?04:20
cehtehyes and?04:20
lolcatmyuu: No04:20
cehtehi thought all wallets are encrypted04:20
lolcatcehteh: Decryption have been shown to be a pain in the ass04:20
lolcatI keep decrypting the wrong folder xD04:20
cehtehheh04:20
cehtehso you cant access your bitcoins easily?04:21
cehtehand you cant split them?04:21
cehtehi am noob there i only skimmed the webpage04:21
cehtehgenerally i like the idea in some ways, but in other ways its also capitalism at its worst04:21
cehtehthe rich will get richer and the poor poorer04:22
cehtehits just imaginary money04:22
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* cehteh once had a idea about a exchange p2p network but never implemented it04:24
cehtehwould be the ebay killer, except its fair so likely would have no success because you cant scam people04:24
SpeedEvilcehteh: VOLUME04:24
SpeedEvilThat's what stops ebay being killed at this point.04:24
cehtehSpeedEvil: yeah i gave up on that04:25
cehtehthe idea is years older but i never specified it formally04:25
cehtehquite similar to bitcoin as everything is signed and peer2peer04:25
SpeedEvilT?here are 4 refrigerators within 5 miles of me - for example.04:25
SpeedEvilAlso - ebay isn't all scams.04:26
cehtehbut you exchange real goods or services over it and the system finds good chains of exchanges to optimize the success04:26
cehtehno certainly not, most is ok04:26
SpeedEvilIME >99.8% is legit04:26
cehtehbut even if its only 0.1% scam and 1% luky sellers its bad04:27
cehtehits not an real auctions as it has a deadline04:27
SpeedEvilMaybe I buy wierd stuff unlikely to be faked.04:27
cehtehi am not talking about the fakes .. its more the principle at which it works04:28
SpeedEvilx60s motherboard. x6 ultrabase, combi boiler heat exchanger, 150mAh battery, 12V hot water pump.04:28
SpeedEvil908g ammonium sulphamate.04:28
cehtehimagine the buyer could propose a value he want to pay and a deadline how long he holds his offer04:28
cehtehand the seller maybe has a deadline or maybe just some day accepts what he thinks is the best offer04:29
cehtehthat would be a much fairer system04:29
SpeedEvilWhat's unfair about the current system?04:29
MohammadAGhow do I kick tracker back into business04:29
SpeedEvilplug into power MohammadAG?04:29
MohammadAGI don't have throttle afaik04:29
ScifiSpeedEvil:cehteh: Adding "export GNUPGHOME=/root/.gnupg" to the backup script did the trick. Finally :)04:30
ScifiThank you04:30
SpeedEvilScifi: :)04:30
cehtehSpeedEvil: either the buyer is lucky and gets it under value, or the seller is lucky and high demand and stess because of that deadline driven the price higher than it could be04:30
cehtehits a bit tricky about psychology .. finally people think they made a good deal on ebay, but in fact they dont do that such often04:31
cehtehin private auctions maybe but not for commercial stuff04:32
cehteheven private stuff you get the same second hand things cheaper on a flea market04:32
cehtehwell and the big winner is ebay and the postal service :P04:32
SpeedEvilResearch what you want to pay.04:32
SpeedEvilSet a sniper.04:33
SpeedEvilLeave it.04:33
SpeedEvilWin or not.04:33
cehtehyes but thats not the way it should be04:33
cehtehalso ebay forbids snipers04:33
SpeedEvilThe way to fail at ebay is to watch the auction and think that 'I really should go 3 pounds more' with 30 seconds to go after being outbid.04:33
cehtehso the whole system is somewhat broken .. even if one can use it successfully04:33
SpeedEvilNo, it doesn'.t04:33
cehtehbesides i canceled my account years ago04:34
cehtehwasnt easy04:34
cehtehat least a lot more complicated than registering04:34
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SpeedEvilI can only say - sitting on a sofa from ebay, with a laptop from ebay, a keyboard from ebay, a ps2/usb converter from ebay, a carpet from ebay, ... works for me.04:36
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MohammadAGgrr04:39
MohammadAGI can't get tracker to reindex04:39
MohammadAG= no songs :/04:39
SpeedEvilnuke the db?04:39
MohammadAGalready have04:39
cehtehreboot?04:40
SpeedEvilstop trackerd start trackerd?04:40
cehtehyes .. thats for pussies :)04:40
MohammadAGalready tried that :p04:40
cehtehyou are the first one who complains that tracker doesnt run often enough04:40
GonzoTheGreatis it ogg-support again?!04:40
cehtehwell .. drop in the middle of the sahara, with only 5% battery left and the n900 your only gps device04:41
cehtehthen trackerd WILL start up04:41
GonzoTheGreatthrought the whole ogg-support upgrade saga tracker was quite temperamental for me.04:41
cehtehtoday i saved a webpage (zeromq guide) with a lot of pictures in it .. and trackerd indexed them all and showing them under photos04:42
cehtehgrr04:42
cehtehand i have the new ogg things installed04:42
GonzoTheGreatI had to tracker-processes -r; delete directory and  reboot a couple of times and it finally worked again04:42
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MohammadAGtracker is paused apparently...04:46
cehtehplease publish how you paused it :P04:47
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* cehteh enabled the "dont reindex tracker on battery" but it happily ignores that04:48
MohammadAGtracker-status shows Paused04:48
MohammadAGidk why04:48
cehtehduh04:49
cehtehwell .. i go to sleep n804:49
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GonzoTheGreata quick look at the source  has these possible reasons:04:53
GonzoTheGreat    gboolean      is_paused_manually;04:54
GonzoTheGreat58    gboolean      is_paused_for_batt;04:54
GonzoTheGreat59    gboolean      is_paused_for_io;04:54
GonzoTheGreat60    gboolean      is_paused_for_space;04:54
GonzoTheGreat61    gboolean      is_paused_for_dbus;04:54
GonzoTheGreat62    gboolean      is_paused_for_unknown;04:54
SpeedEvil63       gboolean     is_paused_for_lulz;04:54
GonzoTheGreatwhat does ~/.config/tracker/tracker..cfg  say?04:55
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GonzoTheGreatyou can set verbosity in there, but I haven't tried it.04:56
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MohammadAG51fecking tracker04:58
DocScrutinizermoo MohammadAG5104:59
MohammadAG51moo DocScrutinizer04:59
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DocScrutinizerfecking apps that need tracker to work - toldya05:03
DocScrutinizerbroken-by-design05:03
DocScrutinizertracker itself is broken-by-design, as in it tries to provide things you better shouldn't even consider to try05:04
SpeedEvil^on a resource limited device05:05
DocScrutinizeron any device05:05
MohammadAG51gonna try to reboot again05:05
GonzoTheGreat64 gboolean is_paused_for_tracker05:05
DocScrutinizerthere's generally no use in a centralized shadow filesystem05:05
DocScrutinizernor in a centralized unclear purpose indexing database05:06
DocScrutinizerthat's constantly out of sync and heavily trying to resync to real fs05:07
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DocScrutinizerif you want additional info about your files' properties, then it's highly recommendable to implement these additional properties directly into your filesystem structure, e.g. add a .coverart file to each directory holing all songs of one record. If you want to re-sort, then there are symlinks for that05:10
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SpeedEvilOr even resource forks. :)05:11
DocScrutinizerthen if you followed that paradigm, you need no fekkin trekker, you got "find" for that05:11
DocScrutinizerand grep05:11
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MohammadAG51ffs!!05:13
MohammadAG51I'm reflashing05:13
DocScrutinizerif you use hardlinks, you can even do way nicer stuff yet05:13
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DocScrutinizerfor the rest it's always a better idea to have a local optimized database built iin to your app, rather than an idiotic daemon05:15
DocScrutinizeras your app has full control over that internal db's state05:15
GonzoTheGreatMohammadAG51: any luck looking at ~/.local/share/tracker/tracker*.log05:16
DocScrutinizerbasically same odd mindset that gave us gconf "registry"05:17
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DocScrutinizerthis all smells like windows fools' concepts about how to implement an OS/system05:18
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DocScrutinizerthe general notion of "let's do that on user's behalf, as users always got no clue about it - and let's do it in a maximum opaque and centralized way"05:20
DocScrutinizerwich results in your irreco button icons showing up between your holiday snapshots05:22
DocScrutinizernot to mention cover art - or recorded phonecalls considered "songs"05:22
DocScrutinizerunbearable05:23
DocScrutinizerlet alone the performance impact05:23
* GonzoTheGreat thinks DocScrutinizer has chnaged to rant mode05:24
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DocScrutinizerooh, ask others here, I never leave that mode ;-D05:24
GonzoTheGreatI tried to be nice05:25
DocScrutinizer:-)05:25
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GonzoTheGreatnitdroid...05:25
* GonzoTheGreat thinks that was mean05:26
DocScrutinizerwell, luckily we seem to get rid of gconf and tracker eventually, as reason wins... \o/05:26
DocScrutinizerand the day nitdroid will fix their booting and adopt uBoot, I promise I'll not rant for a whole day05:28
SpeedEvilbq27200 - on charging from EDV1 - it assumes it's 6% charge - and then simply integrates the charge until it hits I_TAPER, at which time it resets to last-measured-discharge?05:29
Maceranybody use ecoach?05:29
Macerwas wondering which heart monitors were supported05:29
Macerneed to figure out how to save my data too05:30
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Macerthe map running route recording stuff was pretty neat too05:30
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: hm?05:32
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: sounds about right05:33
SpeedEvilnvm - just measuring my battery capacity05:33
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: seem that gizzle stuff? X-P05:34
DocScrutinizerseen*05:34
SpeedEvilgizzle?05:35
DocScrutinizerhehe05:35
SpeedEvilOk - I guess at least another learn cycle before it's down to a plausible capacity for the battery.05:35
DocScrutinizerhehe[2011-06-05 06:18:58] <DocScrutinizer> http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/en/gizmocommunity/photos/photo.html?groupid=12&albumid=15#photoid=329  LOL MUHAHA05:36
DocScrutinizerhave some Aspirin handy when you look at that!05:36
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SpeedEvilI try to help newbies on ##electronics.05:39
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SpeedEvilHard to read as the wires are inferences.05:40
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: yes, I posted that link to you at ##electronics05:48
SpeedEvilah - missed it05:48
DocScrutinizernp05:48
DocScrutinizeranyway I have a hard time to read it at all, and am amazed there are no unwanted shorts (arn't there really?)05:49
SpeedEvilI question how it's easier than spring-connectors05:50
SpeedEvilhttp://www.sciencestoreforthestars.com/elenco-130-in-1-electronic-playground.aspx05:51
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jeremy501I have a bricked n900 and want to flash it back to maemo 5 is there a good forum that can give me the step by step info ?05:53
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DocScrutinizer~flash05:53
infoboti heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware05:53
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DocScrutinizerand RECHARGE your battery to FULL, prior to flashing!05:54
DocScrutinizerit's no joke05:54
DocScrutinizeralas with a "bricked" N900 you'll have a hard time charging, so better rake good care that your battery doesn't drain05:55
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DocScrutinizertake*05:56
DocScrutinizerI.E. remove battery immediately if flashing failed05:56
DocScrutinizerand insert it just for next flashing05:56
DocScrutinizeras that's the foolproof method to flash anyway05:57
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DocScrutinizerstart flasher-3.5, plug in the N900 USB to PC, hold N900 'u' and isnert battery05:58
jeremy501battery is fully charged and out of phone05:58
DocScrutinizergood05:58
jeremy501tried to install meego 1.2 and failed05:58
jeremy501so want to just go back to maemo05:58
DocScrutinizerthen that wili page has all the info you need, just read it *completely* prior to flashing05:58
DocScrutinizerwiki*05:59
jeremy501ok05:59
DocScrutinizerquite some hints are scattered all over that page, most of them in "troubleshooting"05:59
DocScrutinizerso read troubleshooting section before you even run into trouble ;-)06:00
DocScrutinizerread *whole* page06:00
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jeremy501yeah I already have a problem.  got the flasher installed in ubuntu and in terminal its waiting for the device to be plugged in to start flashing but when I plug in n900 holding u key it comes up normal with nokia in middle of screen and usb in corner but terminal just sits and waits. dose not see the phone06:09
SpeedEvilSome have dound hubs are an issue06:10
SpeedEvilAlso - remove battery06:10
SpeedEvilPlug in phone. replace battery06:11
SpeedEvilRun flasher in between06:11
SpeedEvilsome have found hubs06:11
jeremy501that didnt work06:14
jeremy501still dose not see phone06:15
SpeedEvilIs charging intermittent?06:15
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SpeedEvilDo you get anything showing up on lsusb or in dmesg when you plug it in?06:15
jeremy501if I plug into windows pc it detects it and it charges fine.  if I boot phone without usb it starts a bunch of code and stops with 2.838714] [c00089fc>](kernel_init+0x10c/0x1b4) from [<c00089fc>] (kernel_init+0x10c/0x1  2.855499] mtdoops:ready 18, 19 (no erase)06:23
GeneralAntillesOoh, that's sneaky.06:26
GeneralAntillesThe TechEYE.net blog appends a "Read more: …" link to the end of copied text.06:27
GeneralAntillesA gem from mwkn.net this week: http://www.techeye.net/mobile/meego-will-be-dead-in-eight-months06:27
SpeedEviljeremy501: You get text on the screen?06:28
* SpeedEvil wonders what's been done to this phone06:28
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jeremy501yes on phone I do06:29
GonzoTheGreatjeremy501:Have you tried flshing it from windows?06:30
GonzoTheGreatflashing06:30
jeremy501not from windows yet.  I have a win 7 pc . maybe I should try? I like ubuntu better lol06:31
GonzoTheGreatwell I don't have windows but as you said it was detected there...06:31
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jeremy501ill try and let you know06:33
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myuuhey would simonLR happen to be here by chance?07:09
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jeremy501no luck on windows either. flasher is waiting for device and I hold u key and plug in usb and get the nokia screen and usb in corner like it should but flasher dose not see the phone08:08
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jeremy501it did when I tried to install meego and now it dont08:08
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jeremy501the meego install broke the phone so it cant be seen by flasher.  what is the work around for this. not seeing much on web for this08:11
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GonzoTheGreatHave you tried taking the microsd card out?08:11
GonzoTheGreatnot that it should matter, but who knows08:12
jeremy501I took microsd and sim out before I started to try installing meego08:12
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GonzoTheGreatis it out now?08:13
jeremy501yes08:13
GonzoTheGreatsim as well?08:14
jeremy501yes both are out08:14
GonzoTheGreatwhich method did you use to install meego?08:15
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jeremy501my ubuntu laptop with flasher meego 1.2 for n90008:15
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jeremy501http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC08:17
GonzoTheGreatouch.08:17
jeremy501followed instructions and it stopped responding and did not finish install after hours I reset phone and now this08:18
jeremy501think its still stuck on meego 1.2 install cause when I boot phone it loads a bunch of commands and stops08:19
robbiethe1stDoes anyone know if it's possible to replace the Maemo browser backend with the one from, say, FF4? That way we'd still have the great stock UI, but a faster browser backend.08:20
jeremy501is there a hard reset for n900?08:21
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robbiethe1stjeremy501: Um, hard reset? Either you mean yanking the battery or reflashing08:21
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jeremy501robbiethe1st,  reflashing cant see the phone on windows or ubuntu pc after trying to install meego to emmc.08:23
jeremy501can ubuntu format n900 ?08:24
robbiethe1stYes.08:24
robbiethe1stAnd, in fact, remember that the n900 is unbrickable: You /can/ reflash it08:24
robbiethe1stno matter what you do08:24
robbiethe1stTry this:08:24
robbiethe1st1. turn the N900 off.08:24
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robbiethe1st2. on ubuntu, run flasher(as root of course)08:25
DocScrutinizerjeremy501: reboot ubuntu, start flasher, plug in N900 w/o battery, hold 'u', ins bat - if USB icon shows up upper right and flasher doesn't start, you go check syslog/dmesg for any new kernel modules ubuntu loaded, then ^C and restart flasher08:25
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robbiethe1stBasically08:25
robbiethe1stI wouldn't bother holding U, but yea, that works08:25
jeremy501robbiethe1st, tried all that with no luck08:26
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robbiethe1stwhat does flasher say when you run it?08:26
jeremy501DocScrutinizer, did not try rebooting ubuntu yet and flasher.  think that could be it?08:26
jeremy501flasher waits for the device and never sees it08:27
robbiethe1stHm... and you ran it as root, right?08:27
DocScrutinizerit's a well known common problem that several distros load modules when N900 gets plugged in, and those block flasher08:27
DocScrutinizerlsmod|grep cdc_08:27
robbiethe1stthat's what... cdc_phonet and phonet?08:27
DocScrutinizeryup08:28
DocScrutinizeralso there's some reports about new distros have a fsckdup ehci08:28
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jeremy501ran as sudo08:28
DocScrutinizerand of course 64bit is special08:28
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jeremy501ill reboot and brb08:29
DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: when not run as root, flasher throws error, not wait infinitely08:29
robbiethe1stOh, good08:29
jeremy501yes this waits infinitely08:30
jeremy501brb08:30
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DocScrutinizerhmm, funny. started flasher-3.5 -i and plugged in N900 -->08:46
DocScrutinizerSuitable USB device not found, waiting.08:46
DocScrutinizerUnable to enumerate USB buses!08:46
DocScrutinizercursur-up, enter -->08:47
DocScrutinizerUSB device found found at bus 001, device address 096.08:47
DocScrutinizerFound device RX-51, hardware revision 210108:47
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DocScrutinizerreproducable08:50
jeremy501ha lol reboot ubuntu and now flasher sees phone! thanks DocScrutinizer08:50
DocScrutinizeryw08:50
GonzoTheGreatHow did that affect your use of windows though???08:51
jeremy501who me ?08:53
jeremy501ubuntu smokes windows every time!08:53
GonzoTheGreatWell it should have been different under windows?08:54
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Venemo_N900good morning09:15
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DocScrutinizermorning Venemo_N90009:26
jeremy501install was successful but now it has a line drawn threw the sim where the signal should be. is there another flash I need or software?09:27
DocScrutinizerinsering SIM should suffice ;-D09:27
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Venemo_N900hey DocScrutinizer, what's up?09:28
DocScrutinizernuttin special right now09:28
jeremy501where the signal bar should be it has line drawn through a pic of a sim card and it is installed correctly. i pulled it out and back in to see09:29
DocScrutinizerthat's highly unusual09:30
DocScrutinizerplease double check09:30
Venemo_N900jeremy501, that indicates that either your SIM card is not in, or it's not working09:30
DocScrutinizeror you gave wrong PIN, or entered offline mode09:31
DocScrutinizerit *could* also signal problems with the GSM modem, but that's highly unlikely09:32
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DocScrutinizeralso, just in case: you are sure you didn't mix SIM and uSD (yes, I know...), and you properly locked the SIM holder09:35
jeremy501maybe I install wrong flash ?   sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f -R      this is for n90009:35
DocScrutinizerquite old09:35
jeremy501every time I reboot phone it looses time and date too now09:36
DocScrutinizerthat's a known hw bug09:36
DocScrutinizerplease read09:36
DocScrutinizer~flash09:36
infobotfrom memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware09:36
DocScrutinizerabout recent PR1.3 version09:36
DocScrutinizeraaah, and _002_ us errr, USA?09:37
DocScrutinizergenerally everybody suggests to use global09:37
jeremy501global ...ok09:38
DocScrutinizeras nobody found special "goodies" yet in any localized FIASCO09:38
jeremy501I also have this one downloaded  ..  RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin09:39
DocScrutinizerand PR1.2 US FIASCO  (the obsolete one you referred to above) is also known to actually have occasional problems with modem09:39
DocScrutinizeralso an old one09:39
DocScrutinizerplease read09:40
DocScrutinizer~flash09:40
infobotsomebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware09:40
DocScrutinizerit clearly states RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin to be most recent09:41
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DocScrutinizeroops, not for the VANILLA of your last post, didn't see that09:42
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jeremy501DocScrutinizer, the one you just listed is most recent?09:42
DocScrutinizerplease read09:43
DocScrutinizer~flash09:43
infobothmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware09:43
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DocScrutinizerit has *ALL* the info09:44
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yigaltablet, at least physical tablets are now being created that are more of I imagined as a child09:44
yigalmore of what I imagined as a child09:44
yigalsorry a bit drunk as usual09:44
DocScrutinizer>>Replace RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin with the firmware you wish to update. (Make sure you have downloaded the actual corresponding file.) The latest PR1.3 official (rootfs) images are listed below:09:45
DocScrutinizerit's not even any smaller font than the rest of that page09:45
DocScrutinizerhell, it's BOLD09:46
yigallol09:46
jeremy501ill try the global one if it is suggested09:48
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DocScrutinizerok, it's under "windows", but I'm sure I at least 2 times gave the advice to read the *whole* page *carefully*,09:48
yigalargh09:49
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wblazealso dont do anything to firmware whilst drunk, heh09:50
Venemo_N900wblaze, :D09:50
* wblaze learns things the hard way so others don't have to09:51
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Venemo_N900:)09:51
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yigalman had enough of Netflix back in a Linux/OSS distro. if feels better09:53
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer, chill :)10:09
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Venemo_N900MohammadAG51, I found a bug in sociality10:17
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crashanddieVenemo_N900, it's not a bug, it's a feature10:28
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Venemo_N900crashanddie, I see10:29
crashanddieVenemo_N900, just to be sure, what are you talking about?10:29
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Venemo_N900crashanddie, old messages are labeled with "xx minutes ago, via some app"10:31
crashanddiescreenshot?10:32
Venemo_N900literally, xx minutes ago10:32
Venemo_N900don't ask me to upload a screenshot via EDGE10:32
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crashanddieoh10:32
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crashanddieVenemo_N900, what window is it in?10:37
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crashanddieVenemo_N900, in the main view?10:38
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Venemo_N900crashanddie, I clicked messages in the main window10:39
crashanddieok, I found it10:40
crashanddieit's hardcoded in newsfeedpost.ui10:40
Venemo_N900hehh10:41
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crashanddieMohammadAG51, either he's running an old version, or there is a bug in NewsFeedPost::setTime() [that was added to the master branch on 4th May)10:47
crashanddieVenemo_N900 & MohammadAG51: I'd submit a patch, but I cba to create a facebook account to test.10:48
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hiemanshuhmmm, I could write a twitter client in PyQt11:16
hiemanshuwondering I should do it11:16
DocScrutinizerhehe, I sympathise11:16
DocScrutinizerwith crashanddie11:16
hiemanshuI dont know much C++ :(11:16
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JaffaArse. abill_uk's started on the latest MWKN thread on TMO11:20
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer, why?11:23
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alteregoJaffa: \o/11:25
alteregoYou didn't mention "MeeGo" did you?11:26
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Jaffaalterego: Apparently it's a "thread" which is "negative about MeeGo"11:29
alteregoYeah, just read it.11:29
alteregoHe's changed his tune though, now he seems to be protecting Carstens delicate sensibilities :)11:29
JaffaIndeed. I'm not sure Stskeeps wants - or needs - to be protected from me.11:29
JaffaI'm his Number One Fan ;-)11:30
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alteregoOnly a week ago he was saying how MeeGo was a pointless endeavour and the DE project have acheived in a few months what would take him an hour or so.11:30
JaffaAs the presents I've been sending to his house will show.11:30
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alteregoHahah11:30
JaffaAh, nice. Glad I don't read TMO too much11:30
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* RST38h still thinks TMO has to have an "ignore" feature11:32
JaffaRST38h: It does for users. Not for threads, unfortunately :-(11:33
RST38hJaffa: How do I ignore abill_uk dude?11:33
JaffaRST38h: Click on his name, then "View Public Profile", then "User Lists", then "Add to Ignore List"11:34
RST38hJaffa: thanks!11:35
JaffaRST38h: Short version - if you're logged in - this should do it (barring CSRF protection) http://talk.maemo.org/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=3371511:35
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DocScrutinizer51crashanddie: FB?11:36
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RST38hDone.11:36
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crashanddieJaffa, I pray for abill's customers if he ever got as far in life as to own his business11:56
ruskiehaha11:58
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RST38hcrashanddie: prolly not though12:00
RST38hmoo, ab12:00
RST38h"Java is high performance. By high performance we mean adequate. By adequate we mean slow."12:05
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abbeh, RST38h12:05
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arvutHi all, would c++ be a preferable language if I want to develop apps for maemo5?12:06
ruskieif using Qt then I'd say yes12:06
crashanddiearvut, there's quite a few languages to choose from, and it really depends on what you're trying to achieve12:06
Neccdevelop a dropbox client ._.12:07
arvutalright, will keep on studying it then12:07
Neccbtw your choices are wide12:07
arvutcrashanddie: what about programming for gps?12:07
Necchttps://www.dropbox.com/developers12:07
crashanddieNecc, what the fuck are you talking about?12:07
crashanddiearvut, if you want fast response times and snappy UI, then C++ might be a good option, if you want to develop with ease and not have to deal with stupidly complex things in C++, then go for Python12:08
crashanddiearvut, in any case, the GPS interfaces are easy to access in any language, don't know if there are native libraries in every language (it's just a file to open and read from, basically)12:08
arvutI wanna make a reminder that tells you what to do when you're in a certain area12:08
crashanddie"You just entered Detroit: RUN"12:08
ruskieisn't there something like that already?12:08
arvutcrashanddie: aha12:09
Necci'm part of many many channels in many many many IRC server12:09
arvutruskie: no idea12:09
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crashanddie"You just landed in Glasgow, would you like to turn back the clock 20 years?" (joke credit: frankie boyle)12:09
Neccbut this is the only and the real ony ONE channel, where i get the most biggest (mostly write-only motivated) DICK answers12:09
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crashanddieNecc, don't tell an op he's a dick.12:10
crashanddieespecially when he's a bastard op to start with.12:10
ruskiehehe12:10
arvutthis is the only channel I know of that makes sense :)12:10
crashanddiearvut, also, be aware that you will receive as many opinions on development preferences as there are people in this channel12:11
arvutdoes java run on the n900 btw?12:11
RST38hyes, badly12:11
arvutcrashanddie: always welcome =)12:11
crashanddiearvut, do you really want to use a JIT language on such a slow CPU?12:11
arvutnope12:11
Necci totally don't care who is who the hell in this world, you can be the president of the US, i even tell it if YOU start fouling about12:12
arvutI really prefer speed12:12
arvutbut C# is actually kinda nice...12:12
crashanddieI can understand Python even though it is relatively slow because of the ease of development, even though I used to be a Java dev before, I have a hard time justifying it on the N900.12:12
crashanddieNecc, whatever.12:12
ruskiearvut, I thought mono was available as well somewhere in the repos12:13
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arvutI'm in my newbie stage of coding, peeking on different languages and trying to decide what to focus on12:13
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arvutruskie: heard mono is a nightmare tho12:14
crashanddiearvut, well, I'd recommend C++.12:14
crashanddiearvut, I'd recommend against Mono12:14
arvutcrashanddie: good, I like C++12:14
crashanddieMost people will already have all the C++ dependencies installed on their N900, not many will have the Mono deps (and make your app a lot bigger to carry, as well)12:14
NeccC/C++ is not the most best language for starters, imo12:14
arvutso mono is.. worth installing?12:15
arvutyeah, thats the problem with JIT isnt it? those big frameworks12:15
* RST38h sighs12:15
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arvutNecc: I started with C, moved on to C++, now looking at C# and liking it..12:16
RST38harvut: If you do not have much experience in esotheric software disciplines, you wo't even be able to install Java or Mono properly on your N900.12:16
robbiethe1stI'd use Python+PyQT for lightweight apps; stuff that's mostly GUI with a little glue logic. Stuff that needs speed(i.e. games, video/image processing and the like), C++. Period.12:16
crashanddiearvut, I'd say: make your first draft in Python (Python is an excellent prototyping language), release it, and get reviews/comments about it. If people complain about sluggishness, analyse what can be optimised, and make v2 C++ if you have the need for it.12:16
lardmanmorning12:16
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RST38harvut: So, stay with Python and move to C/C++ once you know enough12:16
RST38hHELO lardman12:16
crashanddielardman, moaning12:16
robbiethe1stRST38h: I disagree about Java. Just install othe OpenJDK package and you're done.12:16
lardmanhey RST38h crashanddie12:16
robbiethe1st(or was it icedtea?)12:17
arvutRST38h: not sure what esotheric software disciplines would be so I guess I'll avoid it 4 now12:17
RST38hrobbie: ahhaha :)12:17
arvutlardman: morning12:17
robbiethe1stHey, it works well enough to run Runescape, so I'd say it's the full Java package.12:17
lardmanhi arvut12:17
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crashanddiearvut, he means "if you're not an expert in a specific field of software development, don't use Java/Mono"12:18
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arvutcrashanddie: oh =)12:18
robbiethe1stAnd I agree with that, despite my previous comment12:18
RST38hcrash: even installing these is difficult - lots of packages, high probability of having to configure them manually12:18
arvutgood to know12:18
crashanddieaye12:18
RST38hcrash: So, no reason to use this stuff.12:19
crashanddieRST38h, I wholeheartedly agree :)12:19
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NeccOMG runescape x.x12:20
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robbiethe1stNecc: Yea, I still play it. What of it?12:20
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arvutso, what should I use for developing apps then? an IDE? a few shells with compilers and editors? how do I complile for this little cpu?12:20
arvutI don't think I wanna compile on the phone12:21
robbiethe1stIf you're using Python, no need to compile: Just transfer the files and run12:21
arvutC++12:21
robbiethe1stfor compiling C++, Scratchbox12:21
Neccone of my friend plays that... i never seen so boring and monoton game ever since. i just wonder how that company still can keep their old customers when you do exactly the same things over and over for weeks12:21
arvutI'm used to code::blocks12:22
arvutNecc: did that too 10 years ago ;) addictive until some rude idiot decided to rob me12:23
arvutso, scratchbox? what is it? an IDE?12:23
crashanddieHmm, it would take 115 thousand trillion trillion years for my password to be bruteforced.12:25
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Neccnot if the person uses a GPGPU system :p12:26
crashanddieactually, even if they do12:26
arvutcrashanddie: even with NSA's thinking machine?12:26
crashanddiewell, assuming they have to validate it over a network connection12:26
crashanddieok, fair deal, by using GPU's and offline cracking, it's just under a thousand trillion years.12:27
Neccnah, it's just a matter of time... typically 10 years and the most most most strongest encryptions are hacked12:27
crashanddiethat assumes the password never changes, and that the encryption is never updated.12:28
Neccin the past, people said "it is unhackable" so many times, that i don1t belive it anymore12:28
arvutlol I just found the moobox app :)12:28
ruskieNecc, you misunderstood... it's not just encryption... it's updating it constantly and changing the password12:28
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arvutwhat is a "sid player" btw?12:30
ruskiesid - type of music format12:30
Neccwell, gl. but still, i do not belive anything is unbreakable within ~10 years12:30
crashanddieIf every year you add one character to your password (not necessarily at the end, anywhere in said password), it becomes manageable enough for you to memorise, and you can use addendums for each different service12:30
ruskieC64 music format12:30
crashanddieNecc, well, how about this, most security tokens (like the RSA SecurID etc) use encryptions which can be broken in a matter of hours (3DES), yet it doesn't matter :)12:31
crashanddiebecause a typical token will replace its seed every minute or two, making the previous password useless.12:32
edheldilcrashanddie:  you of COURSE know this, rrrriiiight? http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png12:32
crashanddieedheldil, aye12:32
ruskiehehe12:32
crashanddieedheldil, I know it especially well considering that two people using a system I deployed were murdered in London using exactly that spirit.12:33
robbiethe1stOf course, all I really need to do is get a backdoor'd program onto your system, gain root access...12:33
crashanddierobbiethe1st, and then... what exactly?12:33
edheldilcrashanddie:  eek :(12:33
robbiethe1staccess to whatever it is you care about :P12:34
crashanddierobbiethe1st, yes, and?12:34
crashanddierobbiethe1st, let's go for the online banking theory12:34
crashanddieyou need an OTP to access the account, and an CR for transactions.12:34
crashanddieand the CR uses a component of the transaction the *user can verify*12:34
ruskiehmm does mappero support offline maps???12:35
crashanddienot some blind number that doesn't match anything, it's part target account ID, part amount.12:35
Neccruskie, someone said a few days ago yes12:35
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ruskieno wonder people went and hacked RSA to get their seeds for the stuff12:36
edheldilcrashanddie:  that's what at least some banks here use. Even better with SIM Toolkit, that's why I miss it on n900 :(12:36
crashanddieSIM?12:36
crashanddieI wouldn't trust my neighbour's kids to SIM protection.12:36
crashanddieruskie, RSA doesn't hold the seeds12:37
edheldilif you say so - I haven't seen it hacked (that does not say so much) and it's better than plain SMS12:37
crashanddieruskie, and even if they did, the seed is updated based on the amount of times the token has been used, and at what time12:38
crashanddieruskie, meaning that even with the original seed, you couldn't accurately predict what the clock counter and event counter had at $X point in time.12:38
arvutisnt tor available for maemo?12:38
crashanddieDisclaimer: I used to work for one of RSA's competitors in this field.12:38
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arvutI think I installed it once12:39
Neccarvut, there's a client for it with some GUI12:39
arvutNecc: thought so12:39
Neccbut it's functionality is restricted12:39
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Neccaaah i mean not complete and not restricted12:40
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arvutaha12:44
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arvutanything you could recommend instead then?12:45
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Necc... tor 2.0? :D12:48
Neccor some VPN12:48
crashanddie"We are open every day of the week, except for Sundays, Mondays and Thursdays"12:48
crashanddieI'm guessing we don't have the same definition of "every day of the week".12:49
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ruskiewell it's easier to specify the lesser group ;)12:49
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chem|struskie: "We are open from Tuesday till Saturday, except Thursdays" is shorter...13:09
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chem|stit is like spelling out www in "double U, double U, double U" instead of "world wide web"13:11
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jacekowskias far as i know it's not "double U"13:15
jacekowskiit would be double ues13:16
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khertanMorning13:19
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chem|stjacekowski: on presentations they used the phrase with the tripplet while talking about the world wide web not about the subdomain13:30
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crashanddiethe few domains I own all have uuuuuu.<domain>.<tld>14:09
crashanddieand also vvvvvv.<domain>.<tld>14:10
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jacekowski?14:11
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crashanddie"double u, double u, double u, dot"14:11
crashanddieand in french: "double v, double v, double v, point"14:11
ruskiehehe14:11
merlin1991crashanddie: I want some of that stuff too ;)14:12
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Venemogood morning14:14
edheldilruskie:  it's market speak. To say We are open Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays is about the same length and rather more intuitive14:14
crashanddieVenemo, from earlier when you were gone: "MohammadAG51, either he's running an old version, or there is a bug in NewsFeedPost::setTime() [that was added to the master branch on 4th May)" and "Venemo_N900 & MohammadAG51: I'd submit a patch, but I cba to create a facebook account to test."14:15
Venemocrashanddie, thanks :)14:16
Venemocrashanddie, I'm running the one from extras-devel, but dunno how old it is14:16
* MohammadAG51 feels lost14:16
Venemohey MohammadAG51 :)14:16
crashanddiecouldn't tell you, haven't seen my N900 in months14:16
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Venemocrashanddie, np :)14:16
MohammadAG51hey Venemo14:16
MohammadAG51what's this about?14:17
crashanddie[09:17:02] <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG51, I found a bug in sociality [09:31:50] <Venemo_N900> crashanddie, old messages are labeled with "xx minutes ago, via some app"14:17
MohammadAG51crashanddie, stfu you have a kind neighbour14:17
MohammadAG51messages?14:17
crashanddieposts14:17
MohammadAG51sure? cause I use the same widget for news feed/messages/comments14:18
MohammadAG51that's the "standard" message when no time is set14:18
Venemono time is set?14:18
Venemoweird14:18
VenemoMohammadAG51, I also wrote you a PM14:18
MohammadAG51Venemo, can you try http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/sociality14:18
MohammadAG51oh sorry, I'm on the N90014:19
Venemono problem14:19
MohammadAG51anyway, try the binary, replace the one in /opt/usr/bin with that14:20
Venemook, I'll try14:20
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MohammadAG51still got that tracker issue :/14:29
MohammadAG51"Tracker status is 'Paused'"14:30
MohammadAG51wtf 06 Jun 2011, 05:12:46: Tracker-Critical **: Could not open directory 'file:///home/user/MyDocs/.camera': No such file or directory14:33
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MohammadAG5106 Jun 2011, 14:43:19: Tracker-Warning **: Could not perform SQLite operation, error:1->'no such table: Volumes'14:44
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psycho_oreosI think the tracker.cfg allows one to specify where trackerd should scan14:53
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psycho_oreosand that warning on tracker sounds like some issue with the database or the sqlite software *shrugs*14:54
mecehello14:57
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khertanis there a way to cut only the phone connectivity and keeping the wifi on ? it s emitting beep in my logitech speaker15:19
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SpeedEvilyes15:22
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SpeedEvilhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/cell-modem-ui/15:23
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xkr47is it the same as starting the phone up and pressing Skip at the pin code entry ?15:26
SpeedEvilno15:26
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chem|stkhertan: doesn't tablet mode do that?15:38
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khertanchem|st: it s cut wifi too15:39
chem|stkhertan: tablet mode doesn't15:39
khertanhum ... so i didn't understand what is this tablet mode15:39
chem|stkhertan: offline mode cuts all connections aka Flight mode15:39
chem|sttablet mode keeps BT and WIFI on but turns off cell15:40
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khertanwhere is it located in menu ?15:41
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khertanSpeedEvil: oh didn't see your link15:44
khertanthx15:44
chem|stkhertan: powerbutton menu15:46
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chem|stkhertan: sry... thought that is preinstalled as I got that from day one15:47
khertan:)15:48
khertanany dbus string to do the same thing ?15:48
khertani want to automate that too the night15:48
chem|styou get buttons to switch dual/2g/3g15:48
chem|sttoo15:48
chem|stkhertan: wiki phone control me thinks15:49
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khertanoh didn't see it last time15:50
khertani ll look thx15:50
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x29ahi there, is the maemo 5 sdk the latest and most encouraged to write programs for the n900? anything else i should look at? meego good to go? i dont want to have to tinker a lot with the OS, since my focus is on the application16:22
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pcfeif the built-in media player tells me 'no music' but MediaBox OTOH finds my music just fine, what could be wrong?16:32
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jacekowskitracker16:33
keriotracker is always deeply wrong16:34
keriothat's like the default16:34
pcfewould you happen to have a friendly manual to tracker so I can read up on how to make it simply drop the whole DB and start over?16:35
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jacekowskitracker is unfriendly16:36
merlin1991pcfe: there was a command, lemme see if  I find it16:37
pcfemerlin1991: oh that would be much appreciated16:37
merlin1991pcfe: it's `tracker-processes -r` and one more option wich I can't find atm16:40
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pcfemerlin1991: thanks, that already gets me further than tracker-control, which seems absent on maemo516:42
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NIN101one question17:06
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NIN101is there a reason why the maemo software is using the lovely tracker? Why not just an dirlist on .camera, .sounds etc.?17:06
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edheldilNIN101:  probably because than you (or sb.) would bitch about the same issue :)17:10
edheldilthen17:10
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pcfeNIN101: with some 30GB of music on my N900 and this being the first bad tracker messup on my phone in 1.5 years, I think I'm overall happier with a moderately quick lookup in a database when I look for a song as opposed to walking a bunch of directories each time17:19
NIN101hmm, you are right.17:20
MohammadAGfixed tracker, finally17:20
MohammadAGsetting verbosity to 1 helps a lot, apparently tracker stays paused when storage space is low17:21
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ShadowJKhm, storage space on /home?17:21
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MohammadAGShadowJK, that and /17:24
MohammadAGI had 6MBs on / and 28 on /home17:25
RST38hHeya Mohammad, ShadowJK17:25
MohammadAGhey RST38h17:25
merlin1991how did you set tracker verbosity?17:25
RST38hMohammad: tracker has got a setting for that - "run only if XMB is available"17:25
RST38hxMB17:25
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, tracker.cfg17:25
MohammadAGit logs more stuff17:25
MohammadAGRST38h, yeah, seen that17:26
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pcfemerlin1991: `tracker-processes -r` and then waiting for indexing to complete did solve the issue. Thanks again!17:34
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edheldilbtw, after connecting to (gsm) internet, my n900 is up to several minutes totally unresponsive. Is it normal? I guess it's caused by pacman or whatever is the auto-updates thing called?17:47
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lardmanapt-worker17:48
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merlin1991apt-worker is evil :D17:48
lardmanit needs some serious renicing17:48
lardmanniceing?17:49
lardmanGod knows17:49
edheldillardman:  is there a nice way around it? Like making it work only on wifi?17:52
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lardmannot that I know of, but it's certainly something that should be addressed17:52
lardmanprobably a good cssu target17:52
edheldilamong others, it's cause of often exhausting daily data limit immediately after connecting to the internet, often before I am able to work with the phone at all :)17:54
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rm_workO_o17:58
rm_worki guess i don't notice because my phone is connected to data 24/717:58
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edheldilrm_work:  I try to save the battery18:00
rm_workyeah, battery lasts me exactly 12 hours18:00
rm_workerr, nah 1818:00
rm_workwhich is just enough18:00
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wam? Mine works with medium usage with always-on 3.5g, bluetooth and 1-2h per day fm-radio sender for at least 48 hours.18:01
Sazpaimonso like18:01
SpeedEvilwam: you're not doing regular data transfer over the 3g though18:02
Sazpaimonmy microb google search icon just changed18:02
crashanddieMohammadAG51, you've been doing some good stuff with the facebook app18:02
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Sazpaimonout of the blue18:02
crashanddieMohammadAG51, it looks good!18:02
wam...and wlan18:02
wamSpeedEvil: I update my exchange-account and my imap account every few minutes.18:02
Sazpaimonto a pink circle with a G in the middle18:02
Sazpaimonwtf18:02
MohammadAG51crashanddie, :D18:03
edheldilspeaking of exchange, is there a good n900 solution for remote calendars?18:04
wamedheldil: sure, the default one ;)18:04
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MohammadAG51crashanddie, one thing I've "ignored" though is commits18:07
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edheldilwam: where can I setup it? When I add a new calendar in settings, it's a "local" calendar. And when I tried to google, I found only pages about GPE18:10
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wamedheldil: sry, my interface is in german. I'll try to translate that stuff: Go to "settings" -> "Mail for exchange" and set it up ;)18:11
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edheldilah18:13
edheldilthank you18:13
edheldilhopefully it works with non-exchange cals too18:13
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wamedheldil: I'd bet that exchange accounts only work with exchange accounts (and zimbra ;))18:16
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edheldilwam:  does not work with just *.ics file over https :(18:19
wammight be because a ics-file via http is slightly less than activesync ;)18:20
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nanomadhi all18:20
nanomadi'm trying to compile  the declarative cameraqmlexample but i've got errors18:21
nanomadi'm using the latest qt sdk.18:21
nanomadcan anyone help me?18:21
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lardmannanomad: pastebin the errors and wait a bit, 1min is a quick response on irc ;)18:22
edheldilsure, but that's what I need, mere remote calendar. Works with Thunderbird/Lightning etc :(18:22
edheldilbut given that the n900 calendar works with exchange ones, maybe there's a location to rsync the remote ics file to?18:23
nanomadqrc:/qml/declarative-camera.qml:42:1: module "QtMultimediaKit" is not installed18:24
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lardmannanomad: Is that module installed?18:25
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nanomadon the device I have libQtMultimediaKit.so18:28
SpeedEvilFor the 23rd consecutive edition, masturbating to a litter of newborn puppies is classified as "wrong, wrong, wrong."18:28
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lardmanyou will also presumably need the development package installed when you compile it18:28
SpeedEviloops - wrong window18:28
lardmanlol18:28
SpeedEvilhttp://www.theonion.com/articles/ethicists-update-list-of-acceptable-things-to-mast,20076/18:29
nanomadthe development package? where can I find it?18:30
lardmannanomad: I've no clue18:31
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GAN900SpeedEvil, that seems to be happening a lot lately to the tune of progressively more bizarre messages. :P18:32
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nanomadlardman: i'm targetting an n900 and there's no dev package for libqtm-*-multimedia18:39
lardmanit won't be qtm-* as that's qt mobility18:41
lardmanor at least I don't think it would be18:41
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nanomadQcamera is part of qtmobility API18:44
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Sazpaimonhas anyone ever tried a maemo chroot on android19:10
Sazpaimonfor shits and giggles mostly19:10
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MohammadAG51just noticed the clock applet in the status menu (not bar) is dynamic19:10
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MohammadAG51the analog clock isn't an image19:10
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alteregoHeh, zehjotkah has just said that the consumer Harmattan device is: http://symbianworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/nokia-u-sketch-1.jpg19:18
alteregoThe winner of the competition last year.19:18
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rm_worklol19:24
rm_worki mean, it looks good -- besides the lack of physical keyboard19:25
alteregoIt looks identical to the N9 leaked last year _with_ the keyboard.19:26
alteregoExcept it's obviously thiner.19:26
alteregoSister device I guess19:26
alteregoOne with keyboard, one without, half the thickness.19:27
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alteregoI'd get the one without, and a stand, and use my BT keyboard when I needed to ;)19:27
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NIN101IIRC zehjotkah said that we will love it even without keyboard, because Nokia will use a net patented technology.19:29
NIN101*new19:29
Proteousreads your mind and types what you think?19:29
NIN101:-)19:30
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alteregoI think I'd be happy without a keyboard.19:31
wblazeugh19:31
alteregoI'd keep the N900 in one pocket and have an N9 in the other.19:31
wblazeno :(19:31
alteregoThe N9 would be my primary phone and bling device, then if I needed to write an email, I'd use the N90019:31
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alterego(Running MeeGo N900 Developer Edition) :P19:32
wblazejust picked up the n900 because it has a real keyboard19:32
alteregowblaze: I've got three :P19:32
alteregoI want to try a phone without a keyboard for a change.19:32
alteregoI may hate it, but I want to try it :)19:32
wblazeyeah, well I am late to the party :p19:32
wblazeI've tried it, it sucks19:32
wblazeimo, ymmv19:33
alteregoDepends who you are, my brother has an N900 and he barely ever uses the keyboard ..19:33
alteregoDifferent users prompt different use cases.19:33
Macerwtf :)19:33
alteregoFor instance, if I was to just use the phone as a camera, upload to facebook device, make/receive calls etc.19:33
Macerhttp://www.heiaheia.com/19:33
alteregoWho needs a keyboard?19:33
Macer502 Bad Gateway19:33
wblazelike I said, my opinion ;)19:33
Macerheh19:34
Maceri will never buy a phone without one19:34
Macer:)19:34
alteregoSure, but you probably do a bit more typing than some other people ;)19:34
Maceri HATE vkbs19:34
alteregoMacer: same issue for me on that domain/site19:34
Macerbut then again i went out of my way to get my bluetooth keyboard to work with my n90019:34
wblazealterego: am on it right now, heh19:34
Macerheh19:34
alterego*cough* me too ..19:34
Maceralterego: just bad networking? :)19:34
Maceror something else?19:34
alteregoDunno19:35
Macerlike some multi billion dollar fitness conglomerate decided to knock them off the map?19:35
Macerheh19:35
Maceras you can see they are removing domains nowadays19:35
wblazestill looking for a decent bt keyboard here, everything I've found so far (retail) is huge19:35
alteregoI can talk directly to their server with ping ..19:35
Macerdue to money pressure heh19:35
Maceralterego: i was just using it to register on my n90019:35
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Macerso meh .. maybe someone tripped over the power cord :)19:35
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alteregoHeh19:36
Macerand i just started using ecoach with it19:36
Macerwtf :) go figure :)19:36
Maceroh wait.. it's back up19:36
MacerWE'RE CURRENTLY DOWN FOR MAINTENANCE.19:36
alteregoHah19:37
alteregoSeemless ..19:37
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Macer:) ah well. as long as it keeps going19:42
Maceri need to get a bt heart monitor19:42
Macerand bt headphones19:42
Maceromg the wired ones suck for running19:42
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piggzhow do you get a package to show up in maemo.org/downloads ?20:07
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hardakerpiggz: you package it, submit it extras-devel, promote it to extras-testing and then patiently wait for enough people (10) to say it's good enough to be promoted to full extras20:12
piggzhardaker: ah...the sticking point is therfore getting it out of extras-devel, when it has a bit warning on it :)20:12
hardakerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Developer_FAQ#How_can_I_package_software_for_Maemo.3F20:13
piggzWarning: Promotion of packages depending on hotfixes is blocked.20:13
piggzwhatever that means?20:13
hardakerwhat is it depending on?20:13
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piggzhttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/pgz-spaceinvaders/0.3.4/20:14
piggzqtquickcompat maybe?20:14
hardakerI believe so20:15
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piggzi wonder, if the latest version of qt in extras is >= 4.7.1, i wouldnt need to depend on qtquickcompat20:17
hardakerI believe that's the case.  I don't remember what the status is though.  The problem is that Qt isn't in extras, it's in the base OS.20:18
hardakerwhich is 4.7.020:18
hardakerunless you install the CSSU, which brings it to 4.7.1 (and more recently 4.7.2)20:19
piggzor...i use the qt 4.7 namespace, and remember to comment out bits depending on what platform im deploying on :/20:19
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piggzi do use the cssu, but that would be no good for getting it into extras :)20:19
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hardakeryep.20:20
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DocScrutinizerhostmode fans are invited to give this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1023402&postcount=821 a try and report back at ##mhd20:23
javispedroYou just fried your N90020:25
javispedroj/k ;)20:26
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RST38hhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/06/deluded-seriously-can-i-really-honestly-claim-that-nokias-ceo-stephen-elop-is-deluded-unfortunately-.html20:30
RST38hand hi javispedro!20:30
javispedrohi RST38h20:30
RST38hsee link above, giggle =)20:31
javispedroand DocScrutinizer20:31
javispedroso, let's read a nokia fanboy's opinion for a change :)20:31
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javispedrotl;Dr20:36
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javispedroeither way I agree with what seems to be his main point so far about how the US doesn't matter that much and how the iphone doesn't matter that much either.20:37
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RST38hdunno, so far I amnot buying his "evidence" about that20:38
javispedrobut I disagree about his initial point of high-end nokia vs cheap makers -- at least here I could pretty much guarantee nokia makes his $$ from low end20:38
RST38h"american phones made by asians" is not evidence20:38
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javispedroIMHO low end is where the fire elop mentions is.20:41
javispedroI could see Nokia surviving with the jobsphone in the market, but I would not be so sure when the $50 chinese android phone appears.20:42
RST38hAndroid is still $150+20:42
javispedro(note: unsubsidized)20:42
RST38hBut US market is different20:43
javispedroRST38h: trending down.20:43
javispedroyeah, I am talking about european here.20:43
RST38h$50 is hardly sustainable20:43
RST38hmargins too small20:43
javispedroalso, the big european market, not the young hipsters one.20:43
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RST38hjavispedro: Elop does not know what "european" is20:43
javispedroRST38h: and that is probably half of the reason this "communities making" guy wrote that post.20:43
javispedro(but that's another story ;) )20:44
RST38hjavispedro: To him, "european" is that cold place with bad food and stupid, stubborn subordinates that shareholders are making him visit monthly20:44
RST38hprobably can't wait until Nokia HQ gets moved to California20:44
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kerioi'm not exactly sure why the nokia shareholders are letting elop destroy the company20:45
javispedroRST38h: according to that guy, if the phone that has to be the savior of us all is already designed on California, I bet he's not that far from physically moving the HQs.20:45
RST38hNokia has gota lot of large instituonalized US shareholders20:45
RST38hjavis: He already mentioned moving the HQ20:45
RST38hjavis:Closer to the primary market, goodweather, good food20:46
javispedrogood food? move to the south dammit! ;P20:46
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* RST38h now starts suspecting the Rare Exports movie was really about Elop =)20:46
RST38hjavis: If he moves HQ to where you are, there is a good chance some hotblooded southern european type will bomb him =)20:47
RST38hBut anyway, it is all besides the point,given that Elop is gonna end up back in Seattle one way or another...20:48
javispedroit really seems like this is going to end like that20:48
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lcukhi javispedro20:50
lcukEHLO RST38h20:51
javispedroright after tanking the company, of course. I did not expect share price to get that down =)20:51
RST38hHELO lcuk20:51
javispedrohey lcuk20:51
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RST38hjavis: it ended at 6.66 last week,furtherproving that Elop is the Evil Santa!20:51
lcukI have a question about recursion20:51
RST38hyes?20:51
javispedrolcuk: you have come to the right place!20:52
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lcukhow many levels deep should I keep going for -> http://liqbase.net/liq.20110606_010830.liqdesign2.scr.png20:52
DocScrutinizert900:~# ls -l /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive20:52
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r--    1 root     root     29763056 Jan 22  2010 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive20:52
RST38huntil you hit a single pixelof course20:52
DocScrutinizerWTF?!20:52
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lcuka little simpler on the eyes: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110606_123624.liqdesign2.scr.png20:53
javispedroDocScrutinizer: glibc keeps a hash table of all LC_MESSAGES there.20:53
lcukRST38h, that causes CPU problems20:53
RST38hor was your question really about quantum theory?20:53
javispedroDocScrutinizer: technically you might delete it if in a hurry, but then startup times get way slower.20:53
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* GAN900 grumbles about Intel Centrino cards not supporting OS X.20:53
javispedroDocScrutinizer: and you need localegen/localedef to regenerate, so don't do it.20:53
lcukI found that a 2x2 rectangle was plenty, but if you think I need more20:53
RST38hDoc:if it makes you feel better, Maemo file system compresses it to something like 7MB20:54
javispedrolcuk: depends. portal 2 only does 2 levels of recursion20:54
javispedro;)20:54
lcukjavispedro, rly? :D20:54
lcukI have not played it yet20:54
lcukthat is hardware accelerated too I gather20:54
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javispedrolcuk: either way, from looking at your screenshot, you now have an IDE in your liqOS? :)20:55
lcukjavispedro, oh, liqdesign existed from the start20:55
lcukin original playground, I just added a toolbar20:56
lcukthere is nothing "new" in there at all20:56
lcuk:)20:56
lcukideas are seeds and have been described as wanted all along20:56
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lcukpeople ignore things which do not look pretty though20:57
RST38h"What is the revenue-share deal in Japans mobile internet? Try 91/09. So yes, you, the mobile service/app developer get to keep 91 cents out of every dollar. Apple only lets you keep 70 cents."20:57
javispedroGAN900: and the entire core i* gfx first generation is also not supported, if you plan to buy a new laptop ;P20:57
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DocScrutinizerso I may rm -rf /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive /usr/lib/locale/ar_* /usr/lib/locale/[srz]*  ??20:58
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: ^^20:58
javispedroDocScrutinizer: if you delete them you will need to know how to regenerate it. Unless you want reduced performance.20:58
javispedroOn a sane Debian locale-gen would do it.20:58
javispedroOn unsane Debian you will need to call localedef manually and I don't remember the syntax20:58
DocScrutinizerI fsckng don't need 30MB locale, incl klingon20:59
javispedrosomeone who is more experience with the maemo locale setup might be of help here20:59
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javispedrotimeless?20:59
javispedro~seen timeless20:59
infobottimeless <ad21c479@firefox/developer/timeless> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 6h 21m 32s ago, saying: 'actually, getting most formatting stuff right w/ posix is hard if you need to care about real users :)'.20:59
DocScrutinizerand that's just the file, not incl the dirs20:59
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro: got GMA HD (i7 2620M)21:02
javispedroGeneralAntilles: aka second gen, so you might have luck.21:02
DocScrutinizerHAHAHA, the dirs are empty21:02
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, yeah, working my way through the setup right now.21:02
DocScrutinizerit's *all* in /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive21:03
javispedroDocScrutinizer: check /usr/share/locale/*21:03
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javispedroI've been coding in Python for a single day and it already feels weird going back to C.21:04
* javispedro tries to "import re".21:04
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: yay21:04
GeneralAntillesAirside fastfood worker has to be the worst possible job.21:05
DocScrutinizerok, there's *some* stuff in /usr/share/locale, nicely optified mostly21:05
GeneralAntillesNot only do you get to work fast food, but your daily commute involves "TSA screening"21:05
DocScrutinizerstill I wonder how to free 30+ MB om /21:06
DocScrutinizerI am definitely not interested in zh_TW21:06
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RST38hDoc: Can't, I tried21:09
RST38hNot easily, anyway, and you are still only freeing ~7MB in the best case21:09
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DocScrutinizerisn't there a job purge-locales,  published by Nokia themselves?21:10
RST38hGeneral: But look at the bright side: you will be 100% sure there are no Taliban in your ass!21:10
GeneralAntillesAlways looking to the bright side.21:10
RST38hDoc: Won;t rebuild the cache21:10
DocScrutinizerRST38h:21:11
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# du -hsx /usr/lib/locale/21:11
DocScrutinizer23M     /usr/lib/locale/21:11
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DocScrutinizert900:~# du -hsx /usr/lib/locale/21:12
DocScrutinizer28.4M   /usr/lib/locale21:12
DocScrutinizert900:~# df -h /21:12
DocScrutinizerFilesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on21:12
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DocScrutinizerrootfs                  227.9M    200.4M     23.3M  90% /21:12
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DocScrutinizert900 is a hybrid based on PR1.221:13
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DocScrutinizerthere HAS to be a way to get rid of this cruft21:14
RST38hthere is21:15
RST38hitgoes like this:21:15
RST38h1) Get Glibc utility that rebuilds the cache21:15
RST38h2) Kill the cache file21:15
RST38h3) Kill all unneeded locales21:15
RST38h4) Rebuild the cache21:15
DocScrutinizerI'm afraid the cache file holds nokia blob shit21:15
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RST38hwhy?no, should be a standard glibc locale cache21:17
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javispedroI ponder if the locale-archive is arch independent21:17
DocScrutinizeryeah, but locales for e.g. dialer etc are also in /usr/share/locale?21:18
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: they should21:18
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DocScrutinizerwtf isn't the whole crap optified at very least?21:19
Natanaielwhich of these SD cards work better on N900? class 6 or class 10?21:19
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RST38h'cause it should be accessible with mmc dead?21:19
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DocScrutinizerpff21:19
javispedroDocScrutinizer: being a file that is read by _every single fscking process in the system_ I'd expect it to be on NAND.21:19
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DocScrutinizeragain pff21:19
javispedroif you were a gentoo user, this is time where you'd say "i18n is for losers either way" and add "-nls" to your $USE21:20
DocScrutinizeryou don't need locales on an init-S to fix the system21:20
DocScrutinizeryou don't need locals on early boot21:20
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* RST38h does not need locales21:20
DocScrutinizerego: gotta go optification21:20
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: that's the BS. on maemo you do, otherwise you get Tanna_fi_frobldombl instead of "no such file or firectory"21:21
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DocScrutinizer"nokia couldn't manage their translators otherwise"21:22
DocScrutinizer:-(((( :toktoktok:21:22
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DocScrutinizerthis tana_fi_ crap is such a PITA and so broken-by-concept, and so FUBAR and no hope to ever fix it...21:27
* DocScrutinizer feels urge to go out and have a booze21:27
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* lcuk well ahead of you21:28
javispedrohey, look at the bright side: the intel guys do not do that sort of thing.21:28
lcukDocScrutinizer, we attempted numerous patches to the core translation stuff21:29
DocScrutinizerI do not do intel21:29
lcukto fallback on en_uk translations21:29
DocScrutinizergood21:29
DocScrutinizerwhat went wrong?21:29
rm_workthis guy is talking about "near field" a lot... what is that? apparently every country besides the USA has "near field" phones now... ?21:29
lcukI believe it was one of the last things we tested but that the patch did not work correctly21:29
DocScrutinizerrm_work: nah21:30
lcukDocScrutinizer, it was tried and just could not work correctly, generally each langauge is fully translated anyway21:30
rm_worki don't even know what "near field" means21:30
DocScrutinizerit's a RF tech for <50cm range21:30
DocScrutinizerand mostly used in Japan afaik21:30
lcukrm_work, it is the mobile phone equiv of "High 5"21:30
rm_workso the way japanese phones do micro-transactions with vending machines? :P21:30
lcukyou put your phone near a transaction reader21:30
rm_workgot to play with that when i was in japan for a month a few years back21:30
lcukand it swipes the payment, yes21:30
rm_workyeah ok21:30
rm_workyou'd tap your phone on a vending machine and it'd spit out your coffee drink :P21:31
DocScrutinizernobody even knows nearfield in e.g. Germany21:31
lcukwhen beggers on the street start putting waist height readers on the pavement the design will be modified ;)21:31
rm_workthat's admittedly neat, and the fact that it's implemented pretty much on 100% of vending without any real privacy/hacking problems is... impressive, and very hopeful21:32
lcukborn of frustration21:32
lcukjames21:32
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lcuk1990s21:32
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rm_workso as of right now, nokia is still planning to release another "Maemo" phone? not meego, but maemo?21:32
DocScrutinizerlcuk: maybe each lang is translated, but it's idiocy to require locales to make a program usable21:33
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DocScrutinizerrm_work: rumour has it it's called meego but is more maemo than meego inside21:34
rm_workhrm21:34
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DocScrutinizernot so much maemo you could call it a true maemo successor zhough21:34
myuuhey whats the proper name21:34
myuufor that balloon that comes up to notify you21:34
myuuwhen you get sms, ect...21:35
DocScrutinizerblloon??21:35
myuuthe notifications you get on the n90021:35
myuuthat yellow balloon21:35
bindiballoon tip? >.<21:36
myuureally? -_-21:36
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DocScrutinizer$dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications  /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"this is a balloon?"21:37
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myuulol21:37
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DocScrutinizeruint32:0 string:"WARN"21:38
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DocScrutinizeror this?21:41
DocScrutinizerdbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"NOTIFICATION"21:41
DocScrutinizerprolly you meant the latter - the SystemNoteDialog21:42
DocScrutinizermyuu: right?21:43
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_notification_.28orange_one_line_popup.2921:43
* DocScrutinizer still wonders if he ever seen a real balloon shaped notification on maemo21:45
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myuuyes21:52
myuuthank you21:53
myuuI just wanted a name to put to it21:53
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: if you've got the phone open when you get a SMS21:54
SpeedEvilyou get a little ballon shaped thing with just too few chars to read the paypal security number21:54
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DocScrutinizerhaha21:54
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DocScrutinizernever happened to me I guess21:55
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the_lordHi! I'm getting Memory not accessible, unable to save content on my camera, any ideas?22:49
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hiemanshuthe_lord: is the USB connected?23:01
the_lordhiemanshu: nope23:02
hiemanshuthe_lord: can you open it via a file manager?23:02
the_lordhiemanshu: open what?23:03
hiemanshuthe_lord: the directories? can you access the data?23:03
the_lordI can create new docs in MyDocs23:03
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the_lordhiemanshu: that means yes23:07
hiemanshuthe_lord: thats odd23:07
the_lordhiemanshu: hell yeah23:07
hiemanshuthe_lord: open up X Terminal and see what df -h returns23:07
the_lordI've got 19Gb free23:08
the_lordhiemanshu: pro-user here, all trivial problems already discarded23:08
the_lordfsck'ed fat partition too23:08
hiemanshuthe_lord: ah, dint know that :D23:08
hiemanshuthe_lord: maybe the others might know about me, /me can't think of anything23:09
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divanthe_lord, are you sure partition is mounted in read-write now?23:14
the_lord/dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir)23:15
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the_lorddivan: ^23:15
divanthe_lord, mount shows default options for partition and not the actual one.23:15
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the_lorddivan: are you sure?23:17
mece\o23:17
divanthe_lord, can't check right know, but I've seen a few times partition remounted ro were shown by mount as rw. Thus this assumption.23:18
the_lorddivan: well, touch /home/user/MyDocs/something does what it has to do23:19
the_lordand in the browser, I can save pics, and full pages, same in email23:19
the_lordjust camera23:19
divanthe_lord, ok. then it does mounted rw :) The troubles only with Camera?23:19
the_lorddivan: yes23:20
divancheck DCIM folder. Maybe permissions/filecount/etc23:20
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the_lorddivan, everything good there23:25
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