IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2011-05-28

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Arcueid_Excuse me00:25
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Arcueid_I'd like to have a word with a native english speaker, or at least someone who's fluent in the language.00:25
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Arcueid_It's about a simple language test, two questions at most.00:26
Arcueid_Anybody?00:26
SpeedEvilArcueid_: what?00:27
SpeedEvilpm00:27
SpeedEvilIf it's not maemo00:27
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MoonTigerhi guys :)00:35
MoonTigeris there a crypto api available doing c/c++ dev on maemo5?00:36
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dashavooArghhhh00:50
dashavoobloody usb thing just came out :(00:50
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SpeedEvilWhere ar eyou dash?00:51
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MoonTigerdashavoo, the charger socket?00:59
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dashavooSpeedEvil: UK01:04
SpeedEvilWell - then - you're in luck.01:04
SpeedEvilYou have another several months of warranty.01:05
dashavoomy warranty is void I think01:05
SpeedEvilIt's 2 years - and  years isn't up yet.01:05
SpeedEvilWhy?01:05
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dashavoomy screen smashed, and so I had it repaired by the insurance company. I am guessing that, since they aren't Nokia, that voided the warranty.01:06
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DocScrutinizernope01:08
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dashavooDocScrutinizer: it didn't?01:08
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DocScrutinizera manufacturer can't reject warranty just beause somebody else fixed an unrelated part of a unit01:08
dashavoohmmm, that is great news01:09
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rzrhi01:09
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dashavooIn that case, I suppose I need to send it to Nokia?01:10
DocScrutinizerif they'd claim the defect is caused by prior repair done by sb else, then they might face a lawsiut where they had to prove that01:10
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DocScrutinizerdashavoo: in the end they probably don't care or even don't realize01:11
DocScrutinizerafaik a broken USB is a lightswap, means new mainboard. OR nowadays maybe even completely new device01:12
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DocScrutinizer(send to...) dunno who's your service parter in UK01:13
DocScrutinizerusually the shop where you bought it, or an arbitrary other certified nokia dealer01:13
cehtehdoes nokia repair all broken usb ports meanwhile or do they reject (iirc there where reports about being rejected at least)01:14
DocScrutinizerI guess it depends01:14
DocScrutinizerif half the case is in pieces as well, I'd think they tellya to ....***01:15
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cehtehyeah "my usb port got loose while an elephant stomped on the device" might be a bad call01:15
DocScrutinizerexactly01:15
DocScrutinizero/01:15
DocScrutinizer(back to my beer)01:15
cehtehhave fun01:16
dashavooDocScrutinizer: I bought it from the nokia shop websi01:16
dashavooenjy your beer01:16
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SpeedEvilI don't see how you can sanely repair the USB port.01:17
SpeedEvilThe pads are usually pulled off the board.01:17
SpeedEvilIt is possible to hack it up with epoxy, and soldering to nearby points on the board.01:17
SpeedEvilBut I'd hesitate offering that up as a reliable repair.01:17
cehtehthats something you can do on your own if the repair gets rejected .. but nothing nokia would do01:18
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dashavooSpeedEvil: if they refuse to repair it, it might fall to that01:21
dashavoothanks01:21
SpeedEvilGood luck.01:21
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DocScrutinizer51~ping01:40
infobot~pong01:40
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you know what's a linux BSP? (hardware related sw)02:34
SpeedEvilBoard Support Package02:34
DocScrutinizeryeah!! I was afraid nobody ever heard of that02:34
DocScrutinizerobviously nobody at Nokia ever heard of that, or they simply didn'T consider shipping BSPs with their new devices02:35
SpeedEvilWould be awesome.02:36
DocScrutinizerand so simple02:36
SpeedEvilEspecially the w7 ones. :)02:36
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DocScrutinizerindeed02:36
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DocScrutinizercan't cost Nokia more than a tiny few manmonths to get a BSP out for a new device02:38
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DocScrutinizerand it'd be BOLD HEADLINES02:39
DocScrutinizerand waaay better than that semi-closed maemo crap, probably even better than what ever they might plan for meego02:40
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DocScrutinizerin the end Nokia meego is nothing more but just an extremely bloated BSP, at least in my book02:41
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DocScrutinizerif only Nokia could loose the notion they were in control of the whole OS02:42
DocScrutinizerthey never really got the catch of FOSS and community driven development it seems to me02:43
cehtehorly02:46
cehtehwell some yes ..02:46
* DocScrutinizer heard somebody next block shout "BME!!"02:46
cehtehbut the problem is that nokia is big02:46
cehtehmarketing thinks in revenue terms not in commuity/share/giveback02:47
cehtehand upper management prolly too02:47
DocScrutinizerrevenue == sold devices - own expense02:47
cehtehwell yes but they dont get it02:47
SpeedEvilNot quite.02:47
SpeedEvilThey almost don't care about sold devices on a model-by-model basis.02:47
SpeedEvilBut on how it impacts on future sales.02:48
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DocScrutinizermeh02:48
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cehtehSpeedEvil: but then still they dont get the free software community and how it works and riding the horse backwards02:48
DocScrutinizerwhat could have a more longterm more exciting impact on future sales than promising to ship BSPs with *all* their new devices for the next 5 yeras02:49
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SpeedEvilcehteh: Indeed.02:49
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cehtehwith more commitment and opening up maemo, good communication and not a turn in directions every few month they could have major platform now02:49
DocScrutinizerNB *in addition* to any redmond crap for mass market they might decide to roll out their new stuff with02:50
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paulyhi02:50
cehtehselling 3 or 4 maemo 5 based devices ... dont need to care overly much for in house development except for drivers and kernel support02:50
DocScrutinizer""comes with WinP7 *and* support for linux developers""02:50
paulyi have n900 with broken usb any way to re-install or reflash rootfs without usb?02:51
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SpeedEvilpauly: yes, but it's tricky.02:51
MohammadAGpads on the back02:51
cehtehno warranty anymore?02:51
SpeedEvilpauly: And there are no FAQs, you basically need to understand how to boot meego on the device, and use it to flash the image over.02:51
DocScrutinizerpauly: extremely tricky02:51
paulyyes02:51
paulyugh how to do that without taking out battery02:51
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, or use the pads02:52
cehtehpauly: you have a external charger?02:52
cehtehif not, then you are doomed sooner or later :)02:52
paulyyes02:52
paulyexternal charger02:52
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: he can't boot meego02:52
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DocScrutinizeror do we have kexec now?02:52
SpeedEvilpauly: Does your device boot maemo normally?02:52
paulyyes02:53
cehtehdo we have an actual kernel?02:53
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: you install the meego bootloader package whatever it's called - I forgot02:53
DocScrutinizeraah yes02:53
DocScrutinizergood luck with that02:53
SpeedEvilUnfortunately, the one person that's done it that I know of hasn't written a FAQ.02:53
DocScrutinizera no-tolerance route02:53
cehtehrepairing the usb might be easier :P02:53
MohammadAGno one's mentioning pads under the battery, am I missing something?02:53
SpeedEvilpauly: IIRC yesterday you said you were in hte states?02:53
paulyyes02:54
paulyusa woohoo02:54
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: my initial comment was an aswer to you02:54
paulyi would do that but how do i keep phone on without the battery being on it02:54
cehtehMohammadAG: didnt we just talked about nokia should open up some (or all, wishful thinking) specs02:54
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: as I thought SpeedEvil talks about that02:55
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, your initial comment was?02:55
MohammadAGoh, extremely tricky?02:55
DocScrutinizer[2011-05-28 01:51:53] <DocScrutinizer> pauly: extremely tricky02:55
MohammadAGjust get some wires in there02:55
MohammadAGI might do it some time, as practice02:55
paulyyeah okay :)02:55
DocScrutinizerbasically yes02:55
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MohammadAGbut in the end, it's just USB port pinouts02:56
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: first read my comment on that tmo thread, please02:56
paulymakes sence use wires for connectio to usb02:56
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, link? on the N900 atm02:56
DocScrutinizermeh, closed it02:56
DocScrutinizerno longer interesting as nobody answered during 6h02:56
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, got the title or keywords?02:57
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* DocScrutinizer scratches head02:57
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: check my recent posts02:57
MohammadAGoh, that'd work too02:57
DocScrutinizer2 or 3 back02:57
MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, btw, did you ever notice bookmarks disappearing?02:58
MohammadAGI lost all 20 bookmarks from microB02:58
DocScrutinizer:-S02:58
DocScrutinizerrestore form backup?02:59
MohammadAGhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1016358#post101635802:59
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders where microB holds its bookmarks02:59
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I'm hardcore, no backups02:59
DocScrutinizerhehe03:00
MohammadAGI just boot up some custom image, copy importrant stuff, then flash when something bad happens03:00
MohammadAGof course, that's after trying to fix that thing...03:00
paulythanks!03:02
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MohammadAGwoah, using - as GND is...03:03
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DocScrutinizerbat minus as GND? is a really goofy idea03:12
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cehtehit works on cars :P03:14
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DocScrutinizerpauly: you can use those testpads for an occasional flashing, if you make sure you got no statical charge etc, and keep device under close supervision (no more protective fuse etc)03:14
DocScrutinizercehteh: not on all though ;-P03:15
cehtehwith some wires you could put the battery externally and access the pads03:15
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DocScrutinizerI think especially some UK cars second half of last century had chassis=+03:15
paulyyeah03:15
paulyi can do that!03:16
cehtehah because they drive on the left side i guess :)03:16
DocScrutinizeron N900 neither + nor - is GND03:17
cehtehso if a uk car has an accident with a continental car, does that give a short-circuit? :)03:17
* cehteh runs03:17
cehtehDocScrutinizer: is usb gnd == device gnd?03:18
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cehteh(can we even speak about a common ground potential anymore on such a device?)03:18
DocScrutinizercehteh: better run when you just kickstart the - car from a + car with wires, and some fool opens the door and slams it ito the other car03:18
DocScrutinizercehteh: common GND is -, but that's not battery's -03:19
cehtehhaha the biggier car batteries suffice for welding :)03:19
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DocScrutinizerthe battery charge gauge shunts are in bat-minus to GND03:19
DocScrutinizerUSB GND is plain GND03:20
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DocScrutinizerAV GND is NOT plain GND, it's an antenna03:21
DocScrutinizerwell, part of an antenna03:23
DocScrutinizerconnecting N900 to PC with USB and a AV cable can result in "funny" effects03:24
DocScrutinizerlike magic blue smoke escaping from L4086/7 and your AV out dead after that03:25
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cehtehoutch03:27
cehtehisnt that halfway common that somone would try that?03:27
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DocScrutinizerhalfway common and haldway unlikely to cause drastic effects03:28
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DocScrutinizerbut those 2 chokes are between USB GND and AV GND, and if the PC decides to have a strong potential (i.e. some volt) between his USB and mic/lin-in connectors then those will heat up and blow03:29
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DocScrutinizeruckily most PC don't do such nasty things. Car however, and their car stereo...03:30
DocScrutinizerl*uckily03:30
DocScrutinizerplus the notorious crappy carcharger03:30
cehteh.. charging n900 over 48V phantom power line :P03:31
DocScrutinizerhehe, yeah03:31
DocScrutinizeranyway you shouldn't touch the battery + with your AV cable when pugged in to N900 ;-)03:33
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DocScrutinizeryou probably also should stay away from any device powered from mains as long as N900 is connected to a random charger or PC via USB03:34
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DocScrutinizeror you get one of these: http://www.henri.de/audiotechnik/verstaerker/audiokonverter/4097/trenntrafo-audiotrafo-nf-trafo-cinchstecker/cinchbuchse.html?c=610 and are on the safe side of fence, also with hum that frequently is caused by multiple earth like what I've described above. If you get hum or even next shortwave-broadcast station on your home stereo when using N900 as a mp3player and hooked it up to charger, then get one of those03:39
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DocScrutinizerit's called a GND-loop03:39
DocScrutinizer(not the device, the problem) and it causes current to flow from one GND thru N900 to the other GND03:40
SpeedEvilOr the other way:03:40
DocScrutinizerhehe, yeah03:41
SpeedEvilUSB isolator03:41
DocScrutinizeraaah, thought you meant from GND to GND, instead of from GND to GND03:42
SpeedEvilhttp://www.analog.com/en/interface/digital-isolators/adum3160/products/product.html03:42
DocScrutinizerUSB isolator - how does it work for charging?03:42
SpeedEvilIt'd be really, really cool, as opposed to just cool.03:42
SpeedEvilIf it did USB203:42
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DocScrutinizerYAY, that's a monster03:43
SpeedEvilThey also have som other really cool parts - like isolated gate drivers with power for the gate driver.03:46
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DocScrutinizerwell this one at least doesn't even mention power transfer from VBUS1 to VBUS203:50
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SpeedEvilyeah - it doesn't.03:50
DocScrutinizerno charging while using this part ;-)03:50
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DocScrutinizerbtw Nokia wallwart charger is semi-safe as it has no "GND"03:53
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DocScrutinizerwith PC as power supply for N900 that's an entirely different story03:55
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: for things like AD/DA converters with drivers (motors, other 'dirty' stuff) this usb isolator is just fine, even with 12Mb/s03:58
SpeedEvilIndeed.03:58
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: devices needing 480Mb/s can afford more expensive stuff03:59
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SpeedEvilTrue - I diddn't say it wasn't useful - just that usb2 would be much cooler.04:00
DocScrutinizer:nod: but you know about the insane PHY requirements of USB204:00
SpeedEvilyeah.04:00
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DocScrutinizeryou even have to use selected low capacity tranzorbs04:01
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DocScrutinizerthe usual ones have up to 50pF which is too much (or sth like that)04:01
GAN900See the new tweet from Forum Nokia"04:01
GAN900?04:01
DocScrutinizereh?04:02
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: what is it about? link?04:03
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cehtehhttp://www.asymco.com/2011/05/27/microsoft-has-received-five-times-more-income-from-android-than-from-windows-phone/04:07
cehtehrofl04:07
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GAN900How do I link tweets?04:07
DocScrutinizerI got nfc, I don't even know exactly what's a tweet04:08
GAN900http://twitter.com/#!/forumnokia/status/7415822230238003204:08
DocScrutinizerummm04:09
DocScrutinizerrather blank page04:09
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DocScrutinizermeh04:10
DocScrutinizerI guess "optimized for MS Explorer"04:11
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DocScrutinizerloading like 70 pics and showing a tiny bird and a huge blank screen04:11
cos^"What’s your lucky number? We think it might be 18. Stay tuned for more info coming on 1 June. Tell a friend."04:12
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DocScrutinizeruhuh04:12
DocScrutinizernow if this would make any more sense that the empty page....04:13
cehtehhaha04:13
DocScrutinizerthanks anyway04:13
cehtehi miss the twitter manual page too .. and prolly i dont want to read it either04:14
DocScrutinizerreminds me at liqtorch - 5mb for a completely white screen04:14
cehteh failed in write on buffer copy for backend dpkg-deb during `./scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/bin/objdump': No space left on device04:15
cehtehgrr04:15
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cehteh__download_dest=/tmp04:18
cehtehhardcoded nice04:19
DocScrutinizerhah04:19
* DocScrutinizer hands cehteh the lart04:19
cehteh(not hard enough)04:19
DocScrutinizerlol04:19
cehtehthe scratchbox installer04:19
DocScrutinizerohnoes, the py gui crap?04:20
cehteh__download_dest=/tmp04:20
cehtehnope the .sh04:20
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DocScrutinizermhm04:20
cehtehSaving to: `/var/tmp/scratchbox-devkit-doctools_1.0.13_i386.deb'04:20
cehtehfixed04:20
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DocScrutinizerkickit04:21
cehtehgood to have a caching proxy here .. else i would need to D/L all the crap again04:21
DocScrutinizersounds exactly like py gui04:21
cehtehnope  http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0/maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh04:22
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cehtehinstalling it remotely over ssh .. i hope it doesnt try to open a window04:22
DocScrutinizeryo maan, looks *cool* with all those __*04:23
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DocScrutinizerI think you could fix line 128 to not dl files that are already there04:30
cehtehproxy works well04:33
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cehtehat least as long my internet connection is slower than my rusty proxy04:33
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cehtehbut we may change to cable internet in a few months, guess that would obsolete my old via C3 :)04:34
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DocScrutinizercehteh: umm, see #25204:46
DocScrutinizerand #27204:46
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DocScrutinizerwell, #82 finally04:50
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cehteheh what bugs? .. i dont care about bugs :P04:54
* cehteh wonders what the people smoked who created the fuse api :P04:56
cehtehanyways .. very basic filesystem works04:56
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SpeedEvilWhat're you doing?05:06
GAN900Sleeping05:06
cehtehhacking on my old idea about a distributed filesystem05:06
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n00bn900hey there, anyone here capable of running skype video calls on PR 1.3 ? I can do everything with skype except for video calls..not showing up. was wondering what the culprit for that is05:08
SpeedEvilcehteh: Ah.05:08
SpeedEvilcehteh: I'm doing something fairly pointless - I am refactoring my script that sorts my local supermarket by price/Kg05:08
cehtehn00bn900: what connection 3G, wlan, gsm?05:08
n00bn900cehteh: wifi05:08
n00bn900yeah wlan05:09
n00bn900i don't see any option for video calls..checked with faps to see if i was missing a video call package or something but none there either05:09
cehtehsometimes works unreliable, but i had it working once05:09
n00bn900i thought i've seen people do video calls05:09
n00bn900do i have to do anything? or is that because recipient may not be using up to date version of skype?05:09
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n00bn900like i can set up skype IM and Skype Call but no video call05:10
cehtehcould be05:10
n00bn900hm05:10
cehtehvideo-call me :P05:10
n00bn900lol05:11
cehteh(haha planning to cancel my skype account sometime soon .. i can now give anyone my ID ... soon to be dead :P05:11
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acidjazzis it possible to do a hard reset of the OS on an n900 ?05:16
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cehtehOS? Device?05:17
cehtehyou mean rebooting or back to factory state?05:17
n00bn900cehteh: thanks for the invite to do video call. I think I know..the other person has to have webcam and video enabled on their account and using one of the latest skype versions.05:17
n00bn900and i know she's using an old version and perhaps doesn't even have webcam...so i'll see what i need to do to get her on video call. Thanks again though hehe05:18
cehtehhaha 'she' :P ...05:18
n00bn900it's my wife on international travel :)05:18
cehtehah ok (yes yes we all believe you)05:19
n00bn900:)05:19
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DocScrutinizercehteh: which bugs?05:20
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cehtehthe # numbers you gave what was that?05:21
DocScrutinizerline#05:21
cehtehah .. i didt looked at the script .. just fixed the /tmp and go05:22
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DocScrutinizeryou as well might try -h ;-P05:22
cehtehi did05:22
cehteh(looking for a --tmp or similar option)05:23
DocScrutinizerso you noticed -c, no?05:23
cehtehthat was no problem05:23
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DocScrutinizerI know05:23
cehtehi have a proxy .. so refetching is no problem05:23
DocScrutinizerprobably even useless when you changed /tmp05:23
cehtehthe tmpdir was the problem ..05:23
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cehtehwhy shall i fix a no-problem .. have better things to do05:23
DocScrutinizerlol, maybe for mere speed?05:24
acidjazzcehteh: yes .. n900 maemo05:24
cehtehnah .. i just thought "would be nice to install the sdk on my desktop" .. thats running in a screen session and if i dont forget it i may complete that next fays05:24
cehtehdays05:25
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DocScrutinizer;-)05:25
cehtehacidjazz: there are some/different ways to reset most (but not all) user data ..05:25
cehtehbut the easiest is just to reflash the device05:25
DocScrutinizerduh, I might isntall that moster on my centOS box05:25
acidjazzcehteh: and i need to do that w/ a computer?05:26
cehtehyes and usb cable05:26
DocScrutinizercehteh: the easiest is "reset to factory defaults" in settings menu :-)05:26
cehtehwhat do you want to archive? ..cleaning the device before selling it?05:26
cehtehDocScrutinizer: that doesnt wipe all and everything05:26
DocScrutinizerI never said it would05:27
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cehtehwell i dont know what acidjazz exactly wants05:27
acidjazzi dusted off my n90005:27
acidjazzi need to use it when i travel southeast asia05:27
acidjazzand last i had it i put all this crap on it it doesnt even have enough room to update maemo05:28
DocScrutinizerthat's clearly a reflash then05:28
DocScrutinizer~flash05:28
infoboti heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware05:28
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cehtehat least reflashing is the easiest way05:28
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acidjazzare most ppl usually using meego w/ their n900 now?05:29
cehtehclean up all manually is a bit pita05:29
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cehtehnope05:29
DocScrutinizernah05:29
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DocScrutinizercehteh: also useless, as it seems PR1.1 or sth05:29
cehtehis there a meego scratchbox install?05:29
acidjazzand is the n900 the top maemo device still?05:29
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DocScrutinizertop and only05:30
DocScrutinizerwell, for maemo5 at least05:30
cehtehonly? .. only maemo505:30
cehteh:)05:30
acidjazzis there 6 now?05:30
DocScrutinizerno05:30
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DocScrutinizerthere's been 4 though05:31
acidjazzah05:31
cehtehacidjazz: at what state is your device? how long was it out of service?05:31
cehtehwell just reflash thats the easiest05:31
acidjazzyear or so05:31
acidjazzyea i have a mac now though is there even software i can use to reflash it?05:31
acidjazzim trying to uninstall apps and do a maemo update..05:31
cehtehis there a flasher for macos?05:32
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cehtehprolly yes .. but i dont know05:32
cehtehsee the link DocScrutinizer gave above05:32
DocScrutinizernot afaik05:32
cehtehhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Mac_OS_X05:32
DocScrutinizercould your mac boot a linux?05:33
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DocScrutinizero.O05:33
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cehtehhaha05:33
acidjazzah http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php05:33
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acidjazzwhich one?05:33
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psycho_oreosdepends on what you want, obviously05:34
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DocScrutinizercehteh: sounds a lil tad obsolete though05:35
DocScrutinizer770flasher c'mon05:35
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cehtehmacos X .. c'mon :)05:35
acidjazzmaemo desktop?05:35
DocScrutinizermaybe it's been so good they didn't have to update it05:35
cehtehhehe can you flash between 2 devices one in hostmode? ..05:36
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* DocScrutinizer suddenly starts to wonder about all the *-mbp nicks here, and what they did to flash05:36
DocScrutinizercehteh: I think MohammadAG did it05:36
acidjazzohwell im over it05:37
acidjazz&05:37
DocScrutinizerwhatever that means ... :-)05:38
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DocScrutinizeracidjazz: wouldn't that depend on what's your mac precisely? (<acidjazz> which one?)05:42
DocScrutinizerhttp://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.dmg looks nice05:42
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DocScrutinizerunless you got a ppc05:43
GAN900Seems like when you set the mouse pointer to be black it should be black05:44
GAN900and not switch randomly back and forth between black and default.05:44
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DocScrutinizeracidjazz: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Readme_Maemo_Flasher-3.5.txt also might help05:44
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cehtehn805:47
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DocScrutinizermaemo-flasher.tgz for linux: 48kB  - - maemo-flasher.exe for windows: 3.6MB  -- LOL05:53
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: probably you got a race05:56
DocScrutinizersome other process thinks mouse should be default - sigstop may help05:57
DocScrutinizernot though if it's a driver05:57
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ShadowJKexcellent, my N900 battery survived 17 hour workday without charging06:26
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DocScrutinizerhmm, IRC been relatively quiet?06:27
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DocScrutinizeron WLAN mine survives way more than a 17h day. On 2G it depends. On 3G only if I switch off xchat06:29
ShadowJKI was only connected to xchat for about 6 hours of that06:29
DocScrutinizer:nod:06:30
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ShadowJKIf I may brag, bq27200 does exactly what I wanted when I wrote it, allows me to plan for times when I'll be on a constrained power budget :P06:30
ShadowJKfor=during06:30
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ShadowJKDownloaded about 150M of podcasts, listened to those, and 4 hours of other podcasts I already had.. plus an hour of streaming radio :P06:31
DocScrutinizerthat's the main purpose, yes06:31
ShadowJKSome sporadic web browsing06:31
DocScrutinizerwell, online is online06:31
ShadowJKyeah online all the time, monitoring other stuff through ssh. Actually fixed something through ssh that broke during the night, too :P06:32
* ShadowJK <3 N90006:32
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ds3if I am searching for devel, I do not want it to match development... damn twits06:46
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dangergrrldevel* should match development but devel should not08:38
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DocScrutinizerdevel -development15:09
arvutoh, I'm alrdy here :)15:09
arvutno sense /j'ing again then :P15:09
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pupnikafkdon't be scared15:10
pupnikafkuse your life for something good15:10
pupnikafkdon't listen to the sheeple15:10
arvutI just have to say this, this mugen power battery is amazing for the n900, suddenly I have power again, kinda reminds me of my old creative zen touch which was mainly a hdd and battery :P15:10
arvutactually, it still is, I keep it alive for some odd reason with usb cable at all time when the desktop pc is on :)15:11
macmaNdoesnt it make the n900 colossal?15:12
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MohammadAGis 1.5s good startup time for an app?15:15
robbiethe1stYea,15:16
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Itschuee ~flatbatrecover15:17
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover15:17
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Arkenoimugen power battery would be great if not a) ugly back cover b) inadequate pricing. I can tolerate b) but not a).15:24
Arkenoii had 3.6Ah mugen power for e90 and it was great15:24
psycho_oreostheir back cover have slightly improved but dare I say its still ugly15:25
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ShadowJKI thought there were only two versions of the cover15:25
ArkenoiI wish it had decent back stand like n800 has -- then i'd buy it immediately15:25
ArkenoiShadowJK, neither looks good15:26
ShadowJKand the second came like a week after the first15:26
psycho_oreosthere are two versions of the cover. The first makes N900 look like a old fat remote. The second one has on/off switch which I presume is for camera15:27
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psycho_oreosneither of which has a backstand or lens cover so I'm not interested in either. Though without a doubt if it had those plus has something like a hardened case which otterbox for N900 is I'd buy it without giving a second thought. It'll be an ideal dust protector with kickstand plus huge battery15:29
ShadowJKAmusingly I have just as much (if not more) dust on lens with nokia cover after 6 moths as with mugen cover after 6 moths15:32
psycho_oreossupposedly there's a tmo thread on massive battery test (mugen isn't on the list due to their price), and they found scud 1410mAh (or something like) was the best amongst the lot. If you combined both of those batteries together like the thread owner did you get a whopping 3000mAh15:32
maybeArghhow does that work, do you ductape them together?15:33
psycho_oreoswhere I work, a dust cover is not optional, its mandatory or my N900 will get dusty within a few days15:33
ShadowJKhe opened them and soldered them together15:34
psycho_oreosyeah that plus some soldering, hacking, etc15:34
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psycho_oreoshttp://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=6556815:34
ShadowJKonly + and -, connecting bsi together confuses bme even more than it already is15:34
Arkenoimy n900 is more than one year old and there is no dust at all (original noka cover)15:35
* Arkenoi wishes we had cheap and precise 3d printers which are also capable of making metal parts :-)15:35
ShadowJKI have quite significant amounts of dust and I wiped it off last week :)15:36
ShadowJKGuess I work in a high dust environment too :)15:36
psycho_oreosI'm lucky to have access to high pressure air blower at work. So every so often I give N900 a blow out15:37
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psycho_oreosdamnit.. who was the one that asked about power47 kernel?15:37
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DocScrutinizermaybeArgh: basically yes15:38
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DocScrutinizerArkenoi: those are called CNC mills15:39
SpeedEvilAlso - shapeways.com are fun.15:40
psycho_oreosmerlin1991, ping15:40
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MohammadAGanyone actually bought that "scud" battery?15:42
ArkenoiMohammadAG, me15:43
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arvutmeh.. fennec just froze, good thing I ran it in xterm15:49
arvutI bet those tech republic sites has too many javascripts running. gotta install noscript now15:49
psycho_oreosyou updated that fennec? (not like its going to prevent the freeze but then again)15:51
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DocScrutinizerstupid NOLO maybe should try to boot from the (unused) initrd partition when "u" got pressed and battery voltage too low. WTF make NOLO think it can expect a working & charging system on rootfs when user tries to flash?!15:58
DocScrutinizerok, NOLO does not think or expect - so this job is a poorly done job for Nokia NOLO developer(s)15:59
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picolsqhi16:00
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Daryl02is the wiki about SmartQ devices still updated ?16:02
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Daryl02especially this page:16:03
Daryl02http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Status/SmartQ16:03
DocScrutinizerthere is one possible fix by community;16:03
DocScrutinizerfor the flah&lowbat-deadlock16:03
Daryl02I own a SmartQ5, and I just analyzed the irom16:03
Daryl02There is no boot from the external SD16:03
Daryl02the boot from external SD can be done in Qi or uBoot, but not iROM16:04
DocScrutinizerwe could create a charging-bootloader that gets loaded to ram via 'coldflash' scheme16:05
DocScrutinizerno NOLO ever gets touched -> batey can charge up to 4.1V even on a messed up system16:05
pupnikafkhey DocScrutinizer16:06
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DocScrutinizerhay pupnikafk - how's life?16:06
pupnikawell, every day is one day less16:06
pupnikai have everything i wanted, except for life extension16:07
Daryl02You only can boot on SD channel 2 by connecting GPN13,14 and 15 to high level16:07
pupnikaand every meego conference visitor accepted TSA scaning their penis to see if they were circumcised16:08
Daryl02as explained in the S3C6410X Application note document16:08
pupnikathere is no excuse for that16:09
DocScrutinizerpupnika: it's sad but a fact - the world is hard to change16:09
pupnikaoh my freinds change it16:09
pupnikaDocScrutinizer: one out of 50,000 nsa letters recipients complained16:09
pupnikaand 80 percent of them won in court16:09
DocScrutinizerbest chances are when we are friendly and helpful to people, so they love to learn :-D16:09
pupnikaonly cowardice is hopeless16:10
pupnikawe can not accept this16:10
pupnikacheck out sibel edmonds16:10
pupnikaa turkish lady who denied the silence of the usa16:11
pupnikashe is free16:11
pupnikaeven the people who administer the spy system... they hate it16:11
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pupnikawe just need to support them16:11
pupnikacourage, DocScrutinizer16:12
pupnikatruth has it's own force16:12
pupnikait is impressive how few stand-up for their rights16:13
pupnikafor example 250,000 national security letters were issued16:13
DocScrutinizerpupnika: I agree and sympathise with your notion, but I'm honestly afraid this is the wrong forum for this, as you can't reach people about it here. Most will ignore off topic things or simply leave the channel, when it starts to make them feel uncomfortable16:13
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pupnika5 people fought it16:14
pupnikaout of 250,00016:14
pupnikaand those 5 people changed the law16:14
pupnikacourage16:14
pupnikathis is what linux is about16:15
DocScrutinizerindeed, it's always a few brave ones that get things moving/changing16:15
DocScrutinizeraaah now I get your catch how this is liked to FOSS16:15
pupnikathey are ... cowards16:15
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pupnikayep16:15
DocScrutinizerI guess not many "users" think like that16:15
pupnikathey can be educated16:16
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pupnikai grew up in the arpanet culture16:16
pupnikawe created the internet with the ideals of freedom16:16
pupnikawe created the internet16:16
pupnikapeople like me16:16
pupnikai am here to teach the children16:17
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alteregoI've figured it out, abill_uk is the png guy16:18
pupnikaalterego: you are also someone who is close to being on the right side of freedom16:19
DocScrutinizerpupnika: respectable intent - but you know children, you need to reach them, they don't react good on shouting and patronizing16:19
pupnikaDocScrutinizer: i disagree16:20
pupnikaa white hot sword of dissent makes people realize that something is wrong16:20
DocScrutinizerpupnika: how about creating your own blog and writing things up there in an entertaining fun-to-read non-accusing way?16:20
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pupnikai am a contributor to maemo and this is my community16:21
pupnikaand i was here before you were16:21
DocScrutinizerpupnika: no doubt16:21
DocScrutinizerI just suggest rethinking your concept from a pedagogic PoV16:21
pupnikaother people can use that strategy, it's not my style16:22
pupnikai think it's necessary that some people are outraged16:22
pupnikathe US government scanning children and storing their naked bodies16:23
pupnikalol16:23
pupnikadid you imagine this?16:23
DocScrutinizerpupnika: you can change the world maybe, but definitely you have to start and pick up people where they are. If your pedagogic approach is prone to fail, no insisting in a higher insight will change anything16:23
pupnikaahhh they can only shoot me once16:23
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DocScrutinizerthat's not your goal though I guess16:24
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DocScrutinizerto be very clear on this: shouting "learn! idiots!" won't help *anybody*16:25
DocScrutinizerit's a perfect plan to make everybody ignore you16:25
pupnika#maemo was the pioneer of portable-device freedom16:25
pupnikaoh let them16:26
pupnikaif we don't understand what we are doing we are lost16:26
DocScrutinizerI completely agree on this bit16:26
pupnikait's freedom from tyranny, from government coercion16:27
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pupnikaso grin and bear it :)16:28
pupnikagrin with your skull16:28
DocScrutinizerbut honestly, though I understand your intentions and see they're good, this chan can't tolerate anybody going to insult and rise channel temperature for obviously no achievable aim16:28
pupnikawho else is raising channel temp?16:28
pupnikanobody!16:29
pupnikanobody even bothers to disagree!16:29
pupnikathat is our situation in 2011!16:30
pupnikai'm just documenting the dissent16:30
pupnikaone lonely man16:30
RST38bispupnik: relax and welcome our anally probing overlords.16:34
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RST38bispupnik: and, obviously, this is almost required reading: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Invasion_from_Mars16:38
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DocScrutinizeron explicit private request - though I really don't like it. But everybody can get what he's asking for as long as it's in line with chan rules16:46
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DocScrutinizermeh16:46
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psycho_oreosany of you guys tried mscim from extras-devel?16:50
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RST38bisPoor pupnik is weeping for the world again? =)16:52
psycho_oreostough reality he must be facing :)16:53
DocScrutinizerhe insists on he's planning a troll carreer and doesn't fit into #maemo, and asked me to ban him16:53
dm8tbrhe just moved to #meego16:53
DocScrutinizerI'm no chanop on #meego16:54
psycho_oreoshe still has his other handle in here :)16:54
DocScrutinizer?16:54
psycho_oreospupnika_16:54
psycho_oreosusing that to stir up some other poor user in #meego16:54
DocScrutinizerpupnik* is banned16:55
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psycho_oreosmore like pupni* :) still he has his other handle here, sure he won't be able to join with other clients but he knows that the nickname is banned from the other client :)16:56
DocScrutinizer[Bannliste: #maemo] pupni*!*@* eingetragen von DocScrutinizer am 2011-05-28 15:4916:57
dm8tbrlovely, freenode staff refuses to help and meego ops are nowhere to be seen16:57
psycho_oreosi.e. he had two irc connections and has two instances of himself on this channel, you banned his nick but you kicked one of him. There's still another instance of him16:57
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DocScrutinizerso for now all users matching this are quieted, and rejoin won't work16:57
* psycho_oreos thinks he'll probably come back using some other handle now that he knows his nick is banned16:58
dm8tbrpsycho_oreos: +b works like +q on users that are joined16:58
DocScrutinizerI'm not happy with this anyway, whould have preferred he changed his habits a bit16:58
psycho_oreosdm8tbr, yeah but what I meant was that he knows he can still run away with another nick16:59
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: sure he can do this. Anyway he asked me to ban him, that's what I did16:59
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DocScrutinizerand I'm more than happy to remove that ban when he queries me and tells he changed his concept to save the world17:00
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, *shrugs* ok17:01
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Gyjfwhy remove the ban when you can keep it?17:01
psycho_oreoshe has a different ban set on the nick17:02
DocScrutinizerpupnik isn't a bad guy really - just kinda getting more weird every day17:02
DocScrutinizerI asked him how to deal with this fact, and he asked me to ban him as he doesn't fit into #maemo17:05
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psycho_oreoslol he was somewhat honest despite his persistence17:06
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DocScrutinizeryes17:06
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: o/17:07
javispedrohello17:07
DocScrutinizerwe lost pupnik17:07
javispedrooh :P17:08
MohammadAGsigh, now he's trolling #liqbase17:09
javispedro<non PC mode>I ponder if his periodic conspirationist/new world order stories are due to some kind of , dunno, low sugar in blood or something..17:10
javispedro</>17:10
DocScrutinizerhe got a medical problem, afaik a final one :,(17:10
MohammadAGor high percentage of alcohol17:10
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psycho_oreosyou meant terminal medical problem17:12
DocScrutinizer[2011-05-28 15:06:19] <DocScrutinizer> hay pupnikafk - how's life?17:12
DocScrutinizer[2011-05-28 15:06:41] <pupnika> well, every day is one day less17:12
DocScrutinizer[2011-05-28 15:07:26] <pupnika> i have everything i wanted, except for life extension17:12
psycho_oreoslife extension?17:12
psycho_oreosterminal illness of some sort it seems17:12
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MohammadAG:/17:13
psycho_oreoseither way he'll probably be better to troll in ##philosophy or something like that :) where one can speak imaginative things17:14
DocScrutinizermaybe he already does ;-)17:14
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psycho_oreosprobably got silenced/banned :D17:15
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DocScrutinizerhe always can troll RL out there in FRA17:15
psycho_oreosFRA?17:16
DocScrutinizerseems he tld me he already does ;)17:16
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MoonTigerhi guys :)17:16
DocScrutinizerFFM17:16
psycho_oreoshis skill has probably sharpened over the due course ;)17:16
psycho_oreoss/skill/trolling skill/17:16
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: his trolling skill has probably sharpened over the due course ;)17:16
DocScrutinizerhi MoonTiger17:16
MoonTigerummmm im having some noob problems and wonder if i can ask for some help without being laughed at :)17:16
DocScrutinizershoot17:16
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DocScrutinizerwe're all noobs more or less17:17
psycho_oreoswe're not mind readers so we can't laugh at nothing ;)17:17
MoonTigerso... im trying to write a sharing plugin for my website17:17
MoonTigerand im trying to include the libs for making an md5 hash17:17
MoonTigergcrypt.h i figured17:17
MoonTigerbut i cannot get it added to the makefile17:17
MoonTiger*sigh*17:17
DocScrutinizerheh, you said "noob problem" ;-P17:17
javispedroMoonTiger: Are you using glib?17:18
MoonTigerheh well for a progeammer it is17:18
psycho_oreosindeed, if that was deemed a noob problem, I would have been a nobody :D17:18
MoonTigeryes17:18
javispedroMoonTiger: glib has some md5 routines, let me look up17:18
MoonTigerim basically using the sample plugin and hacking it as a learning experience .... but i can't get it to see the gcrypt.h file17:18
MoonTigerahhhh17:18
MoonTigerjavispedro, thnx17:19
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MoonTigeri dont know the gtk api very well17:19
javispedrohttp://developer.gnome.org/glib/2.26/glib-Data-Checksums.html17:19
MoonTigerim assuming the digest is the md517:19
javispedroyou can choose between a few ones, including md517:20
MoonTigerahhhh i c17:20
MoonTigerthnx so much17:20
javispedrohttp://developer.gnome.org/glib/2.26/glib-Data-Checksums.html#g-compute-checksum-for-data17:20
MoonTigerhow do i include other libs into my app?17:20
javispedrosee that function specially17:20
MoonTigeri thought <gcrypt.h>17:20
javispedrohave no idea what gcrypt is.17:20
MoonTigerok well any header file17:21
MoonTigeri thought #include <blah.h> would work17:21
javispedrowhat was the error message? (either way, if you're already using glib, you need not include anything extra for the routines I listed above...)17:21
javispedroI see gcrypt comes with gnupg, probably is not on n900.17:22
javispedro*available17:22
MoonTigerjavispedro, i see ... its in the scratchbox stuff tho so i figured it would be ok17:22
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MoonTigerbut thnx for the heads up ... great help :)17:23
javispedrogood luck.17:23
MoonTigerhehe i think im going to need it17:24
MoonTiger:)17:24
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javispedronow, why is gentoo crossdev broken again here..17:25
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache search gnupg | wc -l17:28
DocScrutinizer1917:28
* DocScrutinizer has to teach moony about leechers and IRC common sense17:29
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DocScrutinizernot nice usually to drop by for a short question then leave17:30
DocScrutinizerwell17:30
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: ^^^ 1917:30
javispedrodunno if it's on stock n90017:31
javispedroI know it _is_ on sbox as he said though17:31
javispedrofor package signing et all17:31
javispedrobut locate gcrypt on my n900 said nothing ;)17:32
DocScrutinizerlibgcrypt11:17:32
DocScrutinizer  Installed: 1.5.0~svn1440-maemo117:32
DocScrutinizer500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages17:32
javispedrothat is extras.17:33
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DocScrutinizeranyway moony left17:33
DocScrutinizertime for 12648430   ☕17:35
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javispedro"sorry, unimplemented: -mfloat-abi=hard and VFP"17:41
DocScrutinizer~airport FRA17:42
infobotfrom memory, airport fra is The code for the airport in: Frankfurt/Main <Germany>17:42
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MoonTigerhehe it's so diferent doing more or less straight C after so many years of C++17:43
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: hardfp? ask in #meego-arm, stskeeps knows about that stuff17:43
DocScrutinizerooh, he's here again17:43
MoonTiger:)17:43
ShadowJKyou'd need to reconpile the entire system, you know...17:43
DocScrutinizerMoonTiger: there's no need to leave the channel as soon as you don't intend to post any further questions ;-)17:44
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DocScrutinizerMoonTiger: apt-cache policy libgcrypt1117:44
MoonTigeroooooo its not there :|17:45
DocScrutinizerit is on my system17:45
MoonTigerthe glib stuff works for me tho as i only need simple md5 hashing17:45
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache policy libgcrypt1117:46
DocScrutinizerlibgcrypt11:17:46
MoonTigerhow is it on your system?17:46
DocScrutinizer  Installed: 1.5.0~svn1440-maemo117:46
DocScrutinizer *** 1.5.0~svn1440-maemo1 017:46
DocScrutinizer        500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages17:46
MoonTigerahhhh you installed it explicitly17:46
DocScrutinizerno, it came as a dependency on $dunno standard17:47
DocScrutinizercssu maybe, maybe sth other17:47
MoonTigerweird ... i have open ssh ... would have thought that would pull it in17:47
MoonTigerprolly i dont have the dev stuff to use it in code17:47
javispedroalso, glib is stock, so why depend on sth else ;)17:47
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DocScrutinizersome not-so-nooby apt/dpks wizard could prolly tell you what it RDEPNDS on17:48
MoonTigerjavispedro, yes ... glib is working fine ... thnx again17:48
MoonTiger:)17:48
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* MoonTiger is not an apt ninja17:48
* DocScrutinizer neither17:48
MoonTigeralso im getting used to pacman more these days17:48
MoonTigeraltho i still occassionally do "sudo apt-get -Syu"17:49
MoonTigerwhen im on debian17:49
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DocScrutinizerlol - I wondered for a moment how muchning pizzas and chasing ghosts comes in here ;-P17:53
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MoonTigeroh hey... whats the best way to shutdown the emulated n900? when i just "x" it it won't restart17:55
MoonTigerhaha17:55
MoonTigermmmmmmm pizza17:55
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javispedroit's not an emulator17:56
javispedroalso, "af-sb-init.sh {stop|start|restart}"17:57
DocScrutinizerindeed - it's.... yeah what is SB?17:57
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javispedroa glorified chroot... (you could argue about the armel/qemu-user part, but that one shows no UI at all)17:58
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DocScrutinizerlet's agree on calling it a daunting beast17:59
javispedroOMH17:59
javispedroOMG17:59
MoonTigerheh thnx :)17:59
javispedroStskeeps breaks http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=101741017:59
javispedro;)17:59
DocScrutinizereh? breaks what?17:59
MoonTigerbtw the black death really sucked17:59
DocScrutinizer:-D17:59
DocScrutinizerI think I *never* played pacman18:00
DocScrutinizerooh, I now recall I did, once or twice18:00
javispedroDocScrutinizer: I'd expect someone opening a "abill_uk sucks poll" thread, but I would have never expected .... Stskeeps to be the one opening it.18:00
MoonTigeri had a gf who *loved* miss pacman18:00
DocScrutinizerhahahahHAHAHAHAHAH18:00
DocScrutinizerCOUGH18:01
* DocScrutinizer clicks the link18:01
MoonTigerabill_uk ... i thought he was helpfull?18:01
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MoonTigerohhh18:03
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MohammadAGlmfao @ Stskeeps's thread18:04
ShadowJKrofl18:05
MoonTigershame man ... he is obviously not quite all there18:05
javispedrotbh, I find abill_uk funny but then again he has never directly criticized my stuff. I bet I would have called it a day much earlier if I was in stskeeps position :)18:05
mer_gecan I change the XMPP priority of my maemo "resource"? if not: what's the default priority of the N900's jabber resource?18:05
ShadowJKscrew this voting shit though, need some dictator to just boot him :P18:05
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javispedroyeah, just boot him already.18:07
dm8tbrmer_ge: yes you can18:08
dm8tbrmer_ge: there's a hack for that18:08
mer_gedm8tbr nice! could you point me to it?18:09
dm8tbrhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2141#c1618:09
povbotBug 2141: Allow setting priority in Jabber/GTalk18:09
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MoonTigerdoes the CSSU fix some of the issues with modest btw?18:11
cehtehnot enough :P18:11
MoonTiger*sigh*18:11
MoonTigerdoes it fix the "only get emails for the last x days" problem?18:11
* DocScrutinizer reminds about abill_uk bitching against hostmode and "will never work unless you do the hw mods I did (which I'm not going to disclose to you)"18:12
cehtehlol18:12
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cehtehwhich prolly was soldering a gender-changer adapter :P18:12
DocScrutinizerI'd  not be surprised to find meriam-webster include abill as a swear word / insult18:13
cehtehwell hostmode was really quite some work and took time right18:13
* MohammadAG votes yes18:13
MohammadAGnormally I wouldn't get involved, but 1) it's driving Stskeeps away, 2) abill_uk's first comment was ... stupid18:14
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DocScrutinizer(bitching against hostmode) even worse, he did that when there already were first reports about successful hostmode in very same thread18:15
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cehteh sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL18:16
cehtehHangup18:16
cehtehtset: unknown terminal type xterm18:16
cehtehTerminal type? rxvt18:16
cehtehtset: unknown terminal type rxvt18:16
cehtehgrr18:16
MohammadAGthere's fix for that, sec18:16
cehtehah thanks18:17
MohammadAGsee 2 http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=45418:17
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cehtehoh man .. ok :)18:19
Macerlongest time without charge.. 2 days 9 hours haha18:19
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Macer4000 days old? :)18:21
Macermy n900 was turned on 4166 days ago ?18:21
Macerwas nokia holding out?18:21
javispedrouh?18:21
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Macerjavispedro: battery eye18:25
Macerim jk18:25
javispedrotrying to understand why stskeeps felt necessary a public thread. I bet a quick "ultimatum" from stskeeps to any TMO mod would have quickly resulted in abill_uk's gruesome death.18:25
javispedroMacer: ah :D18:25
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: PING18:39
DocScrutinizerMacer: RTC lost date18:40
MacerDocScrutinizer: yah18:41
Macerdoes the n900 have an interal battery for it?18:41
DocScrutinizeryes, a broken one18:41
Macerseems so18:42
DocScrutinizerknown issue18:42
Macerdoes it recharge?18:42
jacekowskino18:42
jacekowskino need for that if it's operating correctly18:42
jacekowskibut it's not in most cases18:42
DocScrutinizerI suggested fixes several times here, dunno if there's sth persistent18:42
DocScrutinizerMacer: the cell breaks and leaks18:42
Macerheh18:43
Macerawesome18:43
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Macerso every time my battery fully dies i lose time huh?18:43
jacekowskino18:43
jacekowskirtc has much lower voltage requrements18:43
Macerwhen i pull it?18:44
jacekowskiyes18:44
Macergreat heh18:44
jacekowskibut only if you do it for more than couple seconds18:44
javispedroI am yet to be able to do a swap in less than such number of seconds ;)18:44
Macerhahahaha18:44
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Macerme neither18:44
DocScrutinizereven broken bupbat does support RTC for some 10 seconds18:44
Macerthen again i dont pull it too often18:44
javispedrowell, I do -- to reset ;)18:44
* javispedro ponders..18:45
Macerreset?18:45
javispedroreboot18:45
javispedroafter a kernel panic or the like18:45
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Macerkernel panic? good lord what are you doing? :)18:45
DocScrutinizerusually >8s of power button should work18:45
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DocScrutinizerunless maemo kernel fsckd it up18:46
javispedrohm18:46
Macer>8s of power button?18:46
Macerto turn off?18:46
javispedroIf N9 doesn't have user replaceable battery, I hope it has a reset hole or the like ;)18:46
DocScrutinizerit's a hw thing with the twl5030 PMU18:46
javispedronon-overridable ;)18:46
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: ooh it is18:46
Macerbutton battery?18:47
DocScrutinizeryou 'just' have to send a keep-alive aka timer reset every few (<8) seconds18:47
Macerwhy nor just put a small rechargeable one?18:47
DocScrutinizerMacer: yes18:47
DocScrutinizerMacer: it is a LiIon18:47
Macernot18:47
DocScrutinizerthat's the problem18:47
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DocScrutinizerthose are known to break18:48
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Macerah. ok.18:48
Macerah well. then i just am stuck with a broken rtc i suppose18:48
DocScrutinizeror replace the backup battery by a goldcap type18:48
Macernot big enough of a deal to rip my n900 apart and start soldering things onto it18:48
DocScrutinizerok18:49
DocScrutinizerfair enough18:49
Macerbut the key pad... i need a new keypad18:49
Macermine is faded18:49
Macerhave a big lit white spot on my space key18:49
DocScrutinizerif you ever ponder, I can toss over a link to a better type of replacement cell18:49
Macerheh. i am not good at soldering18:49
DocScrutinizerMacer: that's also no uncommon problem18:49
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Maceri would have a glob of solder spill all over the place18:50
DocScrutinizerthere are replacement keymats available - swapping is easy18:50
Maceris it? have a link to one with tools?18:50
Maceri was looking a while ago but all i could find is it with an entire housing18:51
Macerwhich i wouldnt mind getting in case i break the housing18:52
Macerbbl18:53
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hopbeatanyone here has any experience with recording video from front-facing cam on n900?18:53
hopbeatcannto find the right settings with mencoder or gst-launch18:54
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javispedrothe abill_uk debacle is not going to end well.... just ban him already and close the thread.19:01
GAN900morning suckers19:02
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javispedromorning GAN90019:03
merlin1991psycho_oreos: pong19:07
psycho_oreosmerlin1991, power47 can be installed also if you install it from extras-devel19:07
merlin1991sry I'm missing the context here19:08
psycho_oreosyou were asking about titan's power kernel, you couldn't find tmo thread or something on it. I paste the link then but also found that the kernel is installable through extras-devel19:09
merlin1991I needed the tmo thread because I needed the dev contact :)19:09
merlin1991but thx19:09
psycho_oreosahh ok19:09
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* lardman waits for HAM to check updates.....19:27
* lcuk waits for BACON to check updates.....19:30
* psycho_oreos thinks someone is hungry :þ19:31
merlin1991damn you lcuk, now I'm hungry19:31
DocScrutinizerMacer: sorry for delay (distracted by abill ;-P) here you are: http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/product_search.php  http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/19:34
lardmanhmm, I don't like the way no work has been done on the zbar code in 19 months other than for iPhone branches19:34
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lardmanhmm, can't seem to find an open source Aztec barcode decoder, or even any kind of decoder for that matter19:38
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/n900-qwerty-keymat-scandinavian-265854 scandinavian only, other out of stock ---http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900/N900-QWERTY-KEYMAT-ENGLISH-265740- --- http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4370_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTZ.html DEUTSCH --- http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4575_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTY--english-.19:39
DocScrutinizerhtml19:39
DocScrutinizerlo GAN90019:40
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DocScrutinizerchem|st: ping19:42
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DocScrutinizerbtw it's awesome how http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=10381651&pp=25&page=20 is ending at march 11 2011, neglecting all the awesome stuff abill_uk posted last year19:50
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javispedroTexrat is a genius http://tabulacrypticum.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/users.png20:12
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MohammadAGthat's Stskeeps's thread closed...20:20
NIN101and so the story will continue. sad.20:21
javispedroeven though both sides of the maemo vs meego war want him out =)20:26
chem|stDocScrutinizer: pong20:28
DocScrutinizerchem|st: too late, texrat closed the thread :-P20:28
chem|stDocScrutinizer: and so?20:28
DocScrutinizerso nothing left to do about it20:29
dm8tbrmeh, forums, who needs those anyway...20:29
chem|stI ignore abill for dazs now as he is spamming mods with the "Report This" button...20:29
DocScrutinizerhahaha20:29
javispedrowtf20:30
javispedroseriously, why is preventing a click to the "fsck him" button?20:30
javispedros/why/what20:30
DocScrutinizerlook at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73535&page=6 you'll love it20:30
cehtehis there a 'ignore' on tmo?20:31
chem|stif he would be just a bit more grown up say 18+ it would be fine, but I don't want to spend my time on a 14yo little brat20:31
* MohammadAG feels offended again :P20:31
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javispedroMohammadAG: do you consider yourself a 14yo little brat?20:32
MohammadAGno, but I'm not 18+ :p20:32
chem|stMohammadAG: but you are acting like 18+ that's a huge difference...20:33
javispedroand you're not a brat ;20:33
chem|stI have no idea how old abill is but from his behaviour he is no older than 1420:33
jacekowskiyou don't look very old as well20:34
chem|stjavispedro: specially not a fscked up brat20:34
DocScrutinizerfrom what he claims to do and be he's 40+20:34
javispedromore like 40020:34
chem|ston the forum pic I was about 2520:35
MohammadAGhttp://talk.maemo.org/modcp might help :P20:35
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javispedro(talking about abill_uk) his skills include fleeting middle age battleships, so he has to be 800+20:35
chem|stand at least 5 academical degrees20:35
MohammadAGhas tmo considered a vbulletin upgrade to say, version 4 btw?20:36
DocScrutinizerdead from neck up20:36
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MohammadAGa vbulletin app would be interesting, and a REST API is built into version 420:36
chem|stMohammadAG: tmo gets upgraded like hurd is released20:36
MohammadAGchem|st, by the looks of it, we need maemo.org for Maemo 6, so I'd suggest an early upgrade before that's even announced20:38
GAN900Not only closed but deleted?20:38
GAN900Did I miss anything good?20:38
javispedroGAN900: Stskeeps snapping20:38
MohammadAGnot deleted http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7353520:38
chem|stMohammadAG: I wait +1year now for getting access to the brainstorm backend to start making use of it20:38
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MohammadAGchem|st, maybe reggie should pass administration to someone else?20:40
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chem|stMohammadAG: ehrm reggie is just maemo.org admin not the serveradmin20:42
chem|stafaik20:42
javispedrotalk.maemo.org admin20:43
chem|stjust moved all those meego stuff from community to meego, I am fed up with this meego droid shit all over the place...20:43
chem|sttmo is not nitdroid nor meego...20:44
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chem|stjavispedro: or even that20:44
merlin1991huh?20:45
Necci need a little help pls: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4469013/temp/shortperiod/Screenshot-20110528-194139.png -> where/how can i customize the strenght of each step of the brightness?20:45
MohammadAGchem|st, Maemo 6 belongs on maemo.org20:45
MohammadAGNecc, it's an mce thing afaik20:46
Necci read the while mce.ini and i didn't found it20:46
Necc*whole20:46
DocScrutinizerGOLDEN :-D  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=640720#post64072020:46
lardmanre TMO what's the deal with becoming an admin on the forum? I used to be one, but my privs were revoked and despite asking why never any answer20:46
DocScrutinizerNecc: there's no way20:47
DocScrutinizerit's hardcoded20:47
DocScrutinizerfor all I know20:47
Neccyay._.20:47
DocScrutinizeryeah :-/20:47
DocScrutinizermce - one of my favourite targets at shooting range20:48
MohammadAGhmm, so the N900's display is a sony20:48
Neccand it is possible to make the screen brightness to 100% by one touch? my only problem is even if i set the brightness to maximum, i still can not see/read what's on the screen20:48
NeccMohammadAG, yes20:48
DocScrutinizerNecc: that's odd20:49
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, what's a "CABC"20:49
DocScrutinizereh?20:49
DocScrutinizeran ETLA?20:49
DocScrutinizera new drug?20:49
DocScrutinizernfc20:49
DocScrutinizercontext please20:49
chem|stMohammadAG: not talking about m6 I talk about all that tablet netbook meegoDE shit20:51
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, display20:51
MohammadAGit says Sony acxwhatever with CABC20:51
chem|stthe threads spreading like chicken on crack20:52
DocScrutinizerumm20:52
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DocScrutinizerI seem to recall something about automatic backlight control20:52
MohammadAGchem|st, well, the whole point was to upgrade to vBulletin version 420:52
MohammadAGI'd love (to make?) a forum app20:52
MohammadAGwhether it's on maemo 5 or 620:53
javispedroa forum app? so that abill_uk can troll tmo on the go???20:53
javispedroI'm sold!20:53
javispedro( ;) )20:54
DocScrutinizerLOL20:54
DocScrutinizerLMAO20:54
MohammadAGjavispedro, if (user == "20:54
MohammadAGdamn enter20:54
MohammadAGif (user == "abill_uk"), qFatal(1);20:54
javispedronow thing something funny to put inside the braces20:54
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chem|stMohammadAG: mailinglist, council? I have no clue who actualy has access to the servers20:54
DocScrutinizerdamn, that's patented for h-e-n ;-P20:54
javispedrolike if (abill_uk) { connect_with_Eliza_ChatBot() }20:55
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MohammadAGmeatspins are old eh?20:55
MohammadAGchem|st, I think it's the admin20:55
chem|stbut who is?20:55
MohammadAGReggie20:56
MohammadAGforum admin, not server admin20:56
MohammadAGnot sure though, I'll check20:56
chem|stMohammadAG: can vbulletin be upgraded from within?20:56
MohammadAGthat's what I'm checking20:56
MohammadAG(I know wordpress can...)20:56
chem|stI doubt it...20:56
chem|stbut reggie knows who to talk with20:57
MohammadAGyou're right20:57
MohammadAGhe needs to have FTP access20:58
MohammadAGor ssh etc20:58
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG:20:58
DocScrutinizerIroN900:/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm# cat cabc_available_modes20:58
DocScrutinizeroff ui still-image moving-image20:58
javispedrosounds like adaptative brightness/contrast?20:58
DocScrutinizerit is20:58
javispedrogoogle says CABC = Content Adaptative Brightness Control20:59
* DocScrutinizer onders idly if mediaplayer is setiing it accordingly20:59
MohammadAGwhy should it?21:00
DocScrutinizerIroN900:/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm# cat cabc_mode21:00
DocScrutinizeroff21:00
MohammadAGwow21:00
MohammadAGan upgrade is $17021:00
MohammadAGis that within maemo.org's budget?21:00
javispedrosounds actually cheap, is that the correct license?21:01
DocScrutinizernow if I wasn't THAT lazy, I'd move over to the other room and start some video playback on N90021:01
MohammadAGjavispedro, classic forum21:02
DocScrutinizerfor movie playback cabc_mode = moving-image could reduce battery consumption and give better picture21:02
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: mine is on "moving-image"21:03
DocScrutinizero.O21:03
javispedro_always_21:03
DocScrutinizerwtf?!21:03
MohammadAGsame21:03
DocScrutinizerso what happened to mine?21:04
chem|stMohammadAG: budget... I guess so21:04
DocScrutinizerI might have twiddled with it some months ago, but I don't think this thing should be persistent across powercycling?21:04
javispedroDocScrutinizer: I bet it might have something to do with the power saving options in the screen control panel applet?21:04
MohammadAGdisabling power saving mode sets it to off21:04
javispedroyep21:04
javispedroconfirming.21:04
bistonhey MohammadAG. good evening21:04
DocScrutinizerDUH21:04
DocScrutinizergood find, excellent21:05
merlin1991mine is moving-image even though I'm just on plain desktop21:05
* javispedro actually prefers moving-image, probably because I'm used to it...21:05
DocScrutinizeralways wondered what that powersavingsmode might be21:05
MohammadAGI'm lagging like shit on my laptop...21:05
MohammadAGhey biston21:05
bistoni just have a quick question. Today I got in some trouble with my boss because my N900 doesn't freakn display the number from which my contact is calling from, just the contact name is displayed. is there a solution for that?21:06
DocScrutinizerthanks chaps21:06
MohammadAGI was reading mce's code, got bored at line 150021:06
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MohammadAGbiston, slide2answer shows the number21:06
MohammadAGthere's no way to modify the stock dialog21:06
bistonoh okay, coz i installed it a long time ago, it had a really bad display on my phone. i couldn't even understand where to slide to lol21:07
cehtehclosed source ftw \o/21:07
bistoni'll try the updated version. thanks21:07
MohammadAGsomeone may be able to show a yellow banner until the call's answered/rejected, but not exactly a C person21:07
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: more interesting: have you found out if the "FOSS" mci is compatible to ours?21:07
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, modules probably are21:07
MohammadAGmce itself, debian/control states a minimum of 2.6.3221:07
Itschueedoes anyone nows something about the fact that the game angry birds can see my privat date like contacts21:07
DocScrutinizerouch21:08
bistonMohammadAG 0.1.5 is the latest ?21:08
* javispedro grabs popcorn21:08
MohammadAGlulz21:08
MohammadAG/opt/rovio/angrybirds/data/scripts/iphonelite/achievements.lua21:08
MohammadAG/opt/rovio/angrybirds/data/scripts/iphonelite/leaderboards.lua21:08
MohammadAGbiston, think so, I no longer maintain it21:09
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: which channel? ;-D21:09
Itschueeis it possible to deactivate this?21:09
javispedroDocScrutinizer: this one actually. wait and see.21:09
bistonoh, who does now MohammadAG?21:09
MohammadAGI only provided the concept in Qt (slow) based on javispedro's HILDON_STACKING_LAYER finding21:09
MohammadAGnicolai rewrote it in Gtk (epic quick)21:09
DocScrutinizerItschuee: deactivate what?21:09
javispedroapplication isolation in maemo is non-existant21:10
Itschueethat angry birds cant see or in worst case use my private data like contacts21:10
javispedroif angry birds for some reason is reading your contacts, there's nothing to stop it from doing so.21:10
javispedronow the reason I grabbed popcorn is becase we're going to appear in all tech news if rovio has decided to do so.21:10
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# cat /opt/rovio/angrybirds/bin/powervr.ini21:10
MohammadAG[angrybirds]21:10
MohammadAGForceExternalZBuffer=021:10
MohammadAGwtf?21:10
MohammadAGbiston, nicolai I think21:10
Itschueeand can stop it that these informations öleave my phone21:11
GAN900I know we might not be having a fall conference21:11
GAN900but I'd like everyone here to start planning on being there if we do.21:11
javispedroGAN900: we misbehaved in SF, what with proposing jaffa for tsg et all?21:11
javispedroand they banned us from future meegoconfs? =)21:11
bistonhmm, no silence button21:11
MohammadAGbiston, indeed, I just flip the phone21:11
GAN900javispedro, well, MeeGo being on the slippery slope to irrelevancy.21:12
MohammadAGbut I miss that as well21:12
DocScrutinizer(<MohammadAG> someone may be able to show a yellow banner) no but a shellscripter aware of python scripting and dbus-send may do, in a five minutes21:12
javispedroItschuee: for curiosity, how do you know angry brids reads contacts?21:12
bistoni can't flip the phone if i'm taking it out of my pocket and returning it lol21:12
MohammadAGwon't there be any maemo summits? with harmattan and all?21:12
bistonpeople would look @ me as crazy21:12
Itschueemy friend tells me that he saw it on tv21:12
GAN900MohammadAG, dunno. Seems unlikely what with WP7 and all.21:13
javispedroItschuee: ah, they saw that happening on Android and iPhone. Maemo is different (so far); they do not care about our geek contacts...21:13
NIN101http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1017559#post1017559 lol21:13
GAN900So, is abill banned?21:14
DocScrutinizerquite prolly not21:14
MohammadAGItschuee, who told you about the contacts thing?21:14
MohammadAGcause I can't find any reference to osso or book (abook) in the binary21:15
Itschueeok have i understood it right angry birds cant under memo see my private things and us it?21:15
javispedroItschuee: the answer is "it can, but we believe it doesn't".21:15
nid0quite the opposite21:15
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Itschueeis it possbile to cheeck this?21:16
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MohammadAGstring the binary, no references to osso-abook21:16
MohammadAG(contacts API)21:16
javispedronot with a 100% degree of certainity, but with a 99%.21:17
MohammadAG.921:17
javispedroMohammadAG: e.g you should grep for sqlite, filenames, etc. it could even be building the filename character per character.21:17
GAN900I disagree with Stskeeps about the transparency claim21:17
javispedroMohammadAG: that's what you get with propietary software...21:17
MohammadAGtransparency?21:17
GAN900Stuff like this should generally be handled privately first.21:17
GAN900http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1017452&postcount=2521:18
javispedroGAN900: I agree with you here, no idea why he decided to snap publicly21:18
MohammadAGjavispedro, already checked about .db21:18
javispedroomg abill_uk is retarded or what21:18
javispedroif I where him I would have gone completely silent for a few days21:19
MohammadAGtell me he started a poll to ban Sts21:19
javispedrona, I just read the message NIN101 quoted21:19
xd13its shit like this that makes me love my n900 and hate a lot of phones http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20066266-245.html21:20
MohammadAGlol he really thinks Nokia's gonna look at his poll21:20
xd13no they're not21:21
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alteregoGAN900: did you get home alright?21:22
GAN900alterego, still in CA21:22
GAN900Flying back tomorrow.21:22
alteregoAh, cool, much other attendees still about?21:22
GAN900In Capitola with family21:23
GAN900Dunno21:23
alteregoAh, m'kay21:23
alteregoI'm somewhat unsuccessfully trying to install the wetab os on my exo21:23
alteregoSeems my rescue image is broken, so I'm downloading the torrent again ..21:24
achipalardman: I'm about... if the matter is still actual21:24
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javispedrowhen will Jaffa start his campaign for TSG presidency? ;)21:25
alteregoJaffa4TSG21:26
lardmanachipa: ah yes, was wondering about your talk with Quim re Harmattan21:26
alteregoOr abill_uk4TSG?21:26
javispedromaybe if Nokians don't want to board the sinking Meego ship he can steer it to Finland and either crash it or dock it there.21:26
achipalardman: ...21:27
alteregoHeh21:27
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javispedroalterego: you know what would abill_uk's first move be, open a poll where he says "Who should MeeGo merge with?" "iOS" "Android".21:29
javispedroand you'd be able to vote both.21:29
alteregoHah21:29
GAN900achipa, milking that visa for all its worth? :P21:30
GAN900achipa, how's that Nook?21:31
MohammadAGGAN900, where's the next conference going to be?21:31
GAN900MohammadAG, no plans that I've heard about21:32
alteregoMohammadAG: not even planned yet21:32
lardmanachipa: apparently you guys were going to report on it, according to the post in forum.meego.com?21:32
alteregoAnd probably not until next year21:32
MohammadAGwhat the...21:32
achipaGAN900: oh, I'm back in .fi since yesterday :) the nook is just fine, the firmware (as predicted) didn't live to see one full day, now playing with a gingerbread build + necessitas, and next week it's meego time !21:32
MohammadAGI thought there'd be one in november21:32
wmaronewait, did achipa buy a nook color too?21:32
lardmanMohammadAG: yeah we need to know some dates for the next conf for the diary, please :)21:32
wmaronenice21:32
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alteregoHeh21:33
javispedronook color?21:33
MohammadAGlardman, no, but the government doesn't like giving visas quick here :p21:33
GAN900achipa, ah, right. Mixed threads there.21:33
MohammadAGthat's why I missed November's con21:33
GAN900achipa, let me know when you get MeeGo up. Mine is currently drawer fodder.21:34
GAN900wmarone, have fun at the conf?21:34
wmaronejavispedro: yes, barnes & noble's android-based tablet. OMAP3621 based system.21:34
javispedrowhy is the nook color so damn poopular?21:34
javispedrowebos guys the same.21:34
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GAN900javispedro, bigger, faster N900 for $200?21:34
GAN900Good MeeGo target21:35
wmaroneGAN900: yes, quite fun.21:35
MohammadAGI thought the screen was ebook-style?21:35
wmaroneheh21:35
MohammadAGlow refresh rate and such21:35
achipajavispedro: OMAP3 + 512MB RAM + 8G flash + (good) 7" color + SD slot21:35
GAN900Nook Color21:35
wmaronethat's the regular nook, and the newer nook21:35
GAN900Not Nook.21:35
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wmaronethe NC has an IPS panel similar to the BB Playbook/Galaxy Tab21:35
wmaroneso it looks good from an angle21:35
achipayeah, very nice display...21:35
javispedrohow does it look outside?21:36
javispedroon the outsides; I mean?21:36
MohammadAG249 bucks, that's actually cheap21:36
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GAN900javispedro, build is a bit cheapy21:36
GAN900Buttons are shit21:36
GAN900But, meh21:36
javispedroand capacitive screen21:36
GAN900$20021:36
javispedroI bet.21:36
lardmanMohammadAG: I just need to arrange work around it21:37
achipayes, buttons are shit, but who uses button anyways :)21:37
wmaronetwo touch capacitive screen21:37
GAN900I really want FBReader sync21:37
DocScrutinizerI wonder if anybody on that disclose-the-source poll thread had ever heard about recent efforts about this that started here21:37
wmaroneachipa: Stskeeps also picked one up, and I've wandered a bit into the disaster of a kernel it comes with21:37
DocScrutinizeralso wondering what's been the result of the talk of Jaffa(?) with Nokians about all that?21:38
achipawmarone: I don't know what it comes with... I booted the original fw, said, okay, it's such a shame people do this to good HW and nuked it :)21:38
wmaroneachipa: yeah, did the same21:38
wmaronethe original version came with linux 2.6.29, the most recent update brought it forward to 2.6.3221:38
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wmaroneI should document how I created my MeeGo SD card for it...21:38
achipayes, do that21:39
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DocScrutinizeranyway this whole poll thread is a complete deja-vu21:40
MohammadAGachipa, wmarone any ideas if the USB port supports OTG?21:40
DocScrutinizerdefinitely NO new point in there21:40
* javispedro watches MohammadAG being sold on the nook too21:41
wmaroneMohammadAG: my understanding is that it does, but it's still WIP by the Android teams21:41
wmaroneit also supports bluetooth, but there's thinking that it's not completely hooked up21:41
MohammadAGI was wondering if you could attach a 3G modem to it21:41
MohammadAGjavispedro, not yet :p21:41
* DocScrutinizer just wonders what's been the nick of the guy... jonwill?21:42
javispedrojownil21:42
javispedro~seen jonwil21:42
javispedro~ping21:42
infobotjonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 25d 5h 18m 46s ago, saying: 'But that's a question for #meego-arm really :P'.21:42
infobot~pong21:42
DocScrutinizerJaffa: any news about that?21:43
javispedroand you complain about my absences! /me hides21:43
MohammadAGjavispedro, you disappeared for 3 months straight last year21:43
MohammadAGyou know, when hostmode actually gained momentum :p21:43
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xd13if i don't OC and don't rly need ipv6 any good reason to get kernel power ?21:46
DocScrutinizerxd13: a dozen21:46
xd13rly21:46
DocScrutinizerdunno if any of those applies to you though21:46
xd13any chance u could tell them to me, i've read the faq on it nothing rly intriguing that i've seen21:47
kerioxd13: wifi connection sharing21:47
kerioalso you tend to overuse "really"21:47
DocScrutinizeractually OC is the only invalid reason to get PK21:47
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kerioi suppose that's the reason for your constant shortening21:47
* javispedro doesn't use PK21:47
RiDHi everyone :)21:47
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everyoneRiD: omg you're the only one that noticed me! hi!21:48
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javispedrogoodbye every21:48
RiDlol21:48
MohammadAGtab win21:48
javispedrodamn, you just renamed when I was about to hit tab.21:48
keriogoodbye everytab?21:48
RiDHe just said Hi21:48
RiDand rage quitted =(21:48
DocScrutinizerlol21:49
RiDSorry about bothering, I'm sure you have more to do than helping n00bs, but I've got an issue.21:49
GAN900javispedro is pro at dropping off the planet. :P21:49
DocScrutinizer/whowas is a great command21:49
RiD /ragequit is also nice21:49
alteregoYay, the install got past 27% ;)21:49
MohammadAG/whowas sucks, /gline ftw21:49
MohammadAGI need a private IRC server to try /gline *@*21:50
RiDEhm.. my N900 freezes everytime when I'm messing with the widgets (moving, adding, removing)21:50
RiDProbably related to some widgets, but I haven't added anything new21:51
javispedroaaaaaaaaargh I thanked a post abill_uk also thanked!!!!!!21:51
* javispedro washes21:51
xd13def shouldn't freeze. my n900 runs stable 4ever21:51
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javispedroRiD: have you rebooted already?21:52
RiDYep21:52
RiDRebooted around 20 times, LOL21:52
MohammadAGdo you have the HWSync thing set to 1?21:52
RiDMohammadAG: I had before (before messing with the widgets) but it's been 0 for some time21:53
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RiDMohammadAG: I'm using modded transitions (adjusted them to my style) but that shouldn't crash hildon-home, I guess.21:54
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javispedrowhat's up with zehjotkah? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1017565&postcount=305921:54
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: pah, I thanked a post of abill_uk ;-P21:55
RiDjavispedro: Nokia is probably using a brain waves detector and decryptor so we can just think in what to type and it will appear on the phone! tadaaa!21:55
javispedroDocScrutinizer: I'm not sure I can share an irc channel with you any longer...21:55
RiDjavispedro: Imagine using it to decrypt other people's thoughts21:55
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javispedroRiD: that's not patented.21:56
javispedrowell, it might be... who knows.21:56
SpeedEvilhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_stress_analysis21:56
SpeedEvilBig meter on inbound call.21:56
RiDjavispedro: I myself patented it.21:57
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: your excuse is abill didn't understand what he thanked, mine is he doesn't know what he writes21:57
RiDSo I'll sue Nokia for using my technology21:57
javispedroDocScrutinizer: haha, good point.21:58
VenemoI don't understand why you guys don't just ban abill from TMO21:58
Venemohe is an obvious idiot21:58
javispedro^^^who is "you" in that sentence is a good question.21:58
Venemoanyone who can actually do it21:58
javispedroI mean, if that "you"=I, and the guy who was about to be banned was, let's say, pupnik, after another global new order story, I'd hesitate.21:59
DocScrutinizerseems there's just nobody around21:59
SpeedEvilDoesn't that include anyone with a sack, a shovel, and a large cucumber?21:59
RiDBy the way, I've read on the forums that ".desktop_cmd_exec," was the issue for a guy that had the same (or very similar) problem of me.21:59
javispedrohowever, who from this channel would hesitate to ban abill_uk?21:59
RiDMe21:59
RiDI'll hesitate between normal ban and banhammer :(22:00
MohammadAGme, you never want to screw with an engineer22:00
MohammadAGjust ask DocScrutinizer!22:00
DocScrutinizermeh XD22:00
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RiDSo errm.. anyone knows something about ".desktop_cmd_exec," ?22:01
MohammadAGjavispedro, not sure, but it looks interesting (re zehjotkah)22:01
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DocScrutinizera shame the thread got close before I got my edit of my last post thru22:01
javispedroRiD: do you have "desktop command execution" widget installed?22:01
RiDjavispedro: Oh.. no22:02
javispedronothing specific about that file then..22:02
DocScrutinizerif that's afile22:02
RiDjavispedro: So far the only ones installed are the cutetube-QML widget, Oculo, TVBGone and USSD Widget22:02
alteregoYay wetab os :)22:02
DocScrutinizer:-P22:02
RiDjavispedro: and recaller. All of them were working fine22:02
DocScrutinizerRiD: screw USSD widget, useless cruft22:03
javispedroalterego: that one looked cool.22:04
RiDDocScrutinizer: Lol it is usefull for me, It shows the money i have on the phone lol22:04
alteregojavispedro: yeah, I want to try something stable in a tablet form factor to get ideas about how the platform may evolve22:04
alteregoPersonally my thought is the tablet market will die in about 3 years22:05
DocScrutinizererr I do that by dialing a 'contact' that has 'numer' *101#22:05
alteregoAnd handsets will prevail22:05
RiDDocScrutinizer: Well i prefer to have it auto updating every 2 hours, but everyone has it's own likes and dislikes22:05
DocScrutinizerfair enough22:05
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, speaking of USSD, I forgot the divert code22:06
MohammadAGis it *22#?22:06
javispedroon my carrier checking card balance is not free.22:06
javispedroI hate them.22:06
RiDjavispedro: You serious?22:06
RiDThe pain is that I can't seem to edit the desktop for long - It always ends up crashing me22:06
DocScrutinizererr *61# etc22:06
javispedroRiD: deadly serious.22:06
DocScrutinizer*62# *67#22:06
DocScrutinizeriirc22:06
MohammadAGjavispedro, what if you have 0 balance? do they charge you when you charge the balance later?22:06
RiDjavispedro: Damn, Vodafone steals us here... but at least we can check the card balance for free lol22:06
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, what about adding an unconditional divert?22:07
cehtehjavispedro: lolwut .. thats insane22:07
RiDI have 0.09€... since December 201022:07
MohammadAG*XX*number#22:07
cehteh(and illegal in germany i think)22:07
javispedroMohammadAG: yes. They proceed to "loan" 2€ to you.22:07
DocScrutinizerunconditional might indeed be 21 or 22 or sth22:07
MohammadAGjavispedro, LOL22:07
javispedroon the good side, they do send free low-balance warnings.22:08
MohammadAGjavispedro, what if you keep doing that?22:08
javispedroas short messages, not ussd stuff.22:08
RiDjavispedro: that remembers me iPhone, for some reason22:08
cehtehhaha "Give us more money"? :)22:08
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: http://maemo.org/packages/view/starhash-enabler/22:08
MohammadAGdo you keep on getting 2 euros till they run out?22:08
javispedroMohammadAG: nope. 2 euros max.22:08
cehtehmhm is it possible to withdraw money from skype?22:09
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, ty22:09
MohammadAGjavispedro, and if you try to check after those?22:09
* cehteh thinks he will never use the remaining 7 eurs up there 22:09
MohammadAGcehteh, no22:09
javispedroMohammadAG: good question :)22:09
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: yw22:09
MohammadAGcehteh, 7 bucks here, same22:09
MohammadAGanyone up for making a FOSS voip service?22:10
cehtehi used like 3 eur in 1.5 years22:10
* MohammadAG slams head into keyboard, I shouldn't be thinking that22:10
cehtehMohammadAG: peer to peer asterisk .. anyone delays a few calls to landlines in his country22:10
cehtehsip in the front22:11
javispedroMohammadAG: Gnu FreePhone (or whtvr is called)22:11
cehtehthe problem is only how to reach people outside of the internet22:11
javispedro"Gnu Free Call"22:11
javispedrofrom the FSF not less.22:11
cehtehcool22:11
cehtehport that to the n90022:12
cehtehMohammadAG: you are bored? :)22:12
MohammadAGcehteh, maybe22:12
RiDErrm... besides flashing my phone to resolve the freezing issue, is there any thing i should do? Because reflashing only to fix that (damn) issue is a bit too much :(22:12
cehtehRiD: figure out why it freezes then you can fix it22:13
cehtehsome app maybe?22:13
cehtehwidget?22:13
cehtehdeinstall anything you dont need22:13
cehtehoverclocked?22:14
RiDcehteh: Yes, but crashes on default settings too22:14
RiDcehteh: I do have a lot of libqtm's22:15
chem|stRiD: get RiD of OC and come back later!22:15
cehtehdid it that before you firstly overclocked it too?22:15
cehtehif not, they you may have fried your phone22:15
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cehteh(or undervolting too much .. do you use stock settings when you dont overclock?)22:16
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RiDcehteh: I have always been running overclocked (500 min and 700 max) and it didn't freeze me when i edited widgets22:16
RiDcehteh: I do switch between profiles a lot, only overclock to run webOS games22:17
* cehteh overclocks a little bit too and only 250/500/750 Mhz ... but i wont complain if its broken because of that22:17
chem|stRiD: sounds that you fried your cpu! 500 min are you crazy?22:17
cehteh500min is ok and within the specs22:17
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chem|stcehteh: running 95% 500MHz is not within the specs22:18
RiDchem|st: Well, it doesn't sound insane lol22:18
cehtehiirc thats ok22:18
RiDchem|st: AFAIK, the cpu sleeps when the phone is not in use... so the 500Mhz min wouldn't make difference when I'm not using it22:18
cehtehanyways overclocking will eventually fry it or already did .. no one knows :)22:18
cehtehoverclocking for games is explicitly bad because you then run the cpu at full speed for extended time periods22:19
RiDcehteh: Yes indeed22:19
keriocehteh: it doesn't make it any less sane, but if you have the money to spend (on new n900s) why not?22:19
RiDbut the phone only freezes when editing the widgets22:19
chem|stthen don't edit widgets o_O22:20
keriolol22:20
kerioRiD: do you have some logs somewhere?22:20
cehtehanyways .. i found out that my DSP didnt liked the aggressive undervolting at 250 mhz, the cpu worked fine but dsp just gone out for lunch22:20
DocScrutinizer([2011-05-28 21:10:21] <MohammadAG> anyone up for making a FOSS voip service?) I think most SIP providers use FOSS servers and most of the related infra22:20
kerioMohammadAG: i'd do it but i hate talking to people22:20
kerioand i hate people in general22:20
RiDkerio: I guess not? lol22:20
kerioRiD: i'd disable the OC and try again22:21
kerioif it persists, and you can't trace it to a software problem, try testing the CPU22:21
RiDkerio: As i said before, it crashes me on stock settings22:21
RiDkerio: Only when editing the widgets, though.22:21
cehtehRiD: and disable undervolting too .. thats not just reduce the highest freq .. disable the OC stuff completely22:21
Jaffajavispedro: Sorry, was watching Doctor Who. Campaign investigation committee has been formed, what with my recent blog post about the keynote22:21
JaffaDocScrutinizer: No news to me. Suggest chasing up with the current council.22:22
MohammadAGis Doctor Who good?22:22
RiDcehteh: Default power kernel settings are the "normal" ones, or are they still undervolted?22:22
cehtehi dont know22:22
cehtehmoment22:23
kerioRiD: i think "stock" is just... stock22:23
JaffaMohammadAG: Yes.22:24
cehteh0:30,90 250:38,180 500:48,360 550:54,400 600:60,430 700:60,430 750:60,43022:24
RiDkerio: Well, then it's something wrong with software22:24
cehtehare iirc the default settings22:24
kerioRiD: or with your hardware :)22:24
cehteh(no warranty)22:24
DocScrutinizerJaffa: ok, thanks anyway22:24
kerioRiD: can you reflash?22:24
cehteherr even remove the 700 from that22:24
RiDkerio: I can, but I didn't want to reflash yet, lol22:24
cehteh and 75022:24
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RiDLatest apps installed are: WiFiEye,recaller and Flashlight22:25
RiDfrom those, I've used recaller and Flashlight 1 year ago (before flashing the phone)22:25
kerioRiD: stupid question - have you tried to reboot?22:25
kerioyou could also remove the widget configuration, so you'd start with the default22:26
RiDOh heh22:26
RiDkerio: damn, why didnt i thought of that first, lol22:26
RiDkerio: and about reboots - more than 20x times already. My battery is getting r*ped22:26
RiDalso, ironically, the desktop started freezing when i did put some jessica alba wallapers on it :p22:27
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DocScrutinizerRiD: get rid (lol) of all your widgets. Then add them one per day and test22:27
kerioDocScrutinizer: one per day?22:28
keriothis is not an allergy22:28
DocScrutinizersure, testing one day seems fine22:28
RiDWell22:28
RiDas far as i remember, the phone uses to crash when i click on "Add Widgets"22:28
RiDnot every time, just after messing with it for 2, 3, 4 minutes22:29
RiDIt crashes completely, keeping the screen frozen22:29
RiDI have to long-press the power button, lol22:29
DocScrutinizerRiD: backup(-app), get rid of all widgets, test22:29
DocScrutinizeralso switch theme to standard22:30
RiDDocScrutinizer: Theme is standard, except wallpapers. Will switch the wallpapers now22:30
DocScrutinizerif that doesn't help, you do a full backup and try "reset to factory defaults" in settings menu22:31
RiDDocScrutinizer: By the way, do you know the path where hildon-home stores the settings?22:31
DocScrutinizerif it still crashes, you should reflash22:31
DocScrutinizernot off top of my head22:31
RiDDocScrutinizer: I knew it before, but just forgot it22:31
DocScrutinizerI guess somewhere in ~/.*22:31
DocScrutinizersome might be gconf crap though22:32
DocScrutinizerprobably a ls ~user/.<tab><tab> will help22:33
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# find ~user -name '*hildon*'22:34
RiDhome.safe-set22:35
RiDand home.conf22:35
RiDon /etc/hildon-desktop22:35
RiDshould be that, I guess22:36
DocScrutinizerpossibly22:36
RiDok just switched the files (and made backup of both).22:37
RiDkillall hildon-home should re-load the file, right?22:37
keriowait, /etc?22:38
RiDkerio: Yes, wrong path?22:38
keriodid someone at nokia at least look at the *cover* of the LSB?22:39
kerioor the FHS?22:39
kerioi don't even22:39
DocScrutinizerthose /home/user/.config/hildon-desktop/home.plugins /etc/hildon-desktop/home.plugins look quite similar here22:39
RiDhmm22:39
DocScrutinizerkerio: evidently not, otherwise optification never seen the sun22:40
DocScrutinizer~optification22:41
infoboti heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence322:41
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RiDDocScrutinizer: home.plugins have leftovers of old widgets22:41
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RiDsuch as "repeatswtiched", "personal-gprs-mon", "swipecounter", "irwi" and "maxcpu"22:42
DocScrutinizerthat's been an arbitrarily picked file, dunno how it's related to widgets22:42
RiDDocScrutinizer: the ones at /home/user/.config/hildon-desktop, lol22:42
DocScrutinizeranyway I think you're close to it now22:43
RiDDocScrutinizer: the one at /etc/hildon-desktop/ seems innocent, as it has the tutorial-home, ovi-promotion, google-search-widget and calendar-home-applet22:43
DocScrutinizersame here22:44
RiDThen i'll try copying the etc one to the .config22:44
RiDwish best luck for me *a*22:44
DocScrutinizerNB i have not the slightest idea if that's the correct file to look for22:44
RiDIf i screw over the stuff over again22:44
RiDI'll consider reflashing, once again22:45
DocScrutinizerRiD: I suggest you install backupmenu first22:45
RiDWoah22:45
DocScrutinizerquite a convenient way to recover from a bootloop22:45
RiDI've switched the file and the default widgets have just loaded22:45
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RiDthe ovi one, google on22:45
RiD*one22:45
RiDetc22:45
RiDso it might be solved - or not.22:46
RiDill now try to mess with them to see if it crashes. Anyways, thanks for everyone being patient enough ^^22:46
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RiDmeh, it just froze again22:49
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RiDlost my patience today, I'll try again tomorrow23:00
RiDif not - then the reflash is my only option23:00
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