| firstorm | also i ntoiced if someone rings me the screen doesn't light up / flash n tell me it only shows when i slide screen up? | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: orly? tell me more | 00:04 |
| merlin1991 | who of you guys played with my notebooks monitor cable? | 00:05 |
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| merlin1991 | it seems to have gottan a loose contact | 00:06 |
| dangergrrl | drwxr-xr-x 3 ariana ariana 4096 Sep 10 2010 /targets/FREMANTLE_X86/opt/ | 00:11 |
| dangergrrl | i presume the gui already did this step for me... | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, opening systemui drops audio | 00:12 |
| merlin1991 | now it doesn't boot anymore :( | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really much of a surprise | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the policy enforcer is *closed *complex *crap and **pukeaudio** | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | and still I think it's nowere documented at all | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | libplayback? ha | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | bug 6694 was lulz | 00:16 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/6694 libplayback missing -doc package | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what do you expect from it when it comes to scenario where it has to switch from state B -> state green and back | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt there's even a proper concept for that | 00:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for mce LED patterns you at very least got a "stack" of signals, with priorities and all. Where's that thing for audio policies? | 00:18 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: new camera ui tells me: no access to memory, cannot save | 00:18 |
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| dangergrrl | so, once i have the whole SDK installed, what should i build? :) | 00:20 |
| dangergrrl | lol | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. who's switching mixer back to the special setup I need for my telephone answering machine, when there's a high priority system alert (read bat low warning) firing during a managed call | 00:20 |
| dangergrrl | yes, i installed the sdk and had no specific thing i wanted to build yet | 00:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: try Qt's hello world ;-) | 00:21 |
| dangergrrl | thanks, that's a plan | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I don't even get it how to adjust volume for sounds via cmdline playsound | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: it's all just an incredible mess | 00:23 |
| dangergrrl | that's kinda what i was asking for exactly something that should work without too much difficulty | 00:24 |
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| dangergrrl | i want to try to port miro but may well give up once i start | 00:24 |
| dangergrrl | itś player is at least gstreamer based | 00:24 |
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| dangergrrl | kernels are more my speed than gui apps ;) | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems javispedro knows a tiny tad more about how audio works | 00:25 |
| cehteh | http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/05/26/1933219/Chapel-Hill-Computational-Linguists-Crack-Skype-Calls | 00:28 |
| cehteh | hehe .. microsoft will be not amused | 00:28 |
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| merlin1991 | hm reverted camera-ui to meamo version, that one DID work | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Skype is down for lots. | 00:30 |
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| merlin1991 | but what strikes me odd, is that the error was localized, but I see no localization in the new ui source | 00:30 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, sigh, I'm trying to find workarounds | 00:30 |
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| merlin1991 | now upgraded again to cssu camera-ui and it still works, WTF? | 00:31 |
| dangergrrl | it is removing maemo-sdk-sounds when i add the nokia packages, i presume that is ok | 00:32 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, I'm guessing you're restarting camera-ui between all this | 00:32 |
| dangergrrl | (since i don't have a choice) | 00:32 |
| MohammadAG | dangergrrl, fine | 00:32 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: yea restarting whole device | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | the SDK doesn't support sounds anyway | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | tsk tsk tsk merlin1991 | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | dsmetool -k /usr/bin/camera-ui | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | dsmetool -t /usr/bin/camera-ui | 00:33 |
| merlin1991 | I guess camera-ui starts to fail over time | 00:33 |
| merlin1991 | LOL | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | mmmpf isn't there an event script for that? | 00:34 |
| merlin1991 | got meego sd in my n900, tells me storage format not supported when trying to go to it on file manager | 00:34 |
| merlin1991 | I think that'd be a good candiate for cssu | 00:35 |
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| merlin1991 | updating the automount to ext filesystems too | 00:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no friggin camera-ui job in initctl | 00:43 |
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| MohammadAG | Xsession.post.d DocScrutinizer | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | grrrm ofcourse, whatelse | 00:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thanks MohammadAG | 00:44 |
| merlin1991 | so much for me doing some meego dev, my linux notebook went mental http://imagebin.org/155327 | 00:47 |
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| billmania | merlin1991: Are you referring to the indication of your ubuntu notebook executing a periodic filesystem check? That's normal behavior, not a sign of mental illness. | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | billmania: I refer to the err perfect screen | 00:55 |
| firstorm | man windows sucks so badly! | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | them lines are not from the pic | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | they are there in reality too | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | and it doesn't get past boot screen | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | billmania: ^^ | 00:56 |
| billmania | merlin1991: Ah. The fsck is still running? What is the size of your filesystem(s)? | 00:56 |
| merlin1991 | nono fsck went through fine | 00:56 |
| merlin1991 | but screen halts then | 00:56 |
| merlin1991 | welcome sound starts play and then breaks in the middle | 00:56 |
| merlin1991 | after that stalled screen with artifacts all over it | 00:57 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, graphics card fucked up by the looks of it | 01:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: resettle your chips (ram, cpu?, *cards...) | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HDD, optical drive... | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | also check BIOS settings (and bios setting is working at all) | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | try booting a live cd | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | flip the LCD back and forth and see if the patterns on screen change | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | closely watch POST logs on screen for anything suspicious | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | try windows on it | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | windows works all the time | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | it coule be some mess with KMS or stuff | 01:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (I assume you know how to get POST and linux boot console on buntkuh - ESC?) | 01:12 |
| jacekowski | remove silent or quiet from kernel commandline | 01:14 |
| jacekowski | in grub | 01:14 |
| merlin1991 | somethings really fscked this should be the bios: http://imagebin.org/155333 | 01:14 |
| joga | heh, looks familiar... | 01:14 |
| joga | merlin1991, overheated often? fan stuck= | 01:14 |
| merlin1991 | none of that | 01:15 |
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| joga | tried pressing it? ;) | 01:15 |
| jacekowski | do some voodo | 01:15 |
| jacekowski | voodoo* | 01:15 |
| joga | I have a laptop that does the same thing | 01:15 |
| joga | had also another at work, both can be pressed hard and the image gets fixed if you keep pressing ;P the other on has definitely suffered some heat damage, a crappy amilo | 01:16 |
| merlin1991 | the weird thing is, that it can't be only the display controler or something | 01:16 |
| merlin1991 | because it doesn't get past the autologin to ubuntu | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | it's probably memory | 01:16 |
| merlin1991 | the welcom sounds starts, but then starts to repeate at some point | 01:16 |
| merlin1991 | jacekowski: I removed both ram sticks once | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | or memory controller | 01:16 |
| merlin1991 | what's the chance of both going to fail at the same time | 01:16 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 01:16 |
| joga | merlin1991, but it does run cool? temperature is normal? | 01:16 |
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| jacekowski | joga: laptops can run at 90C | 01:17 |
| merlin1991 | temperature is normal | 01:17 |
| joga | jacekowski, yeah and die eventually | 01:17 |
| merlin1991 | atm it's comepletely cold | 01:17 |
| merlin1991 | the thing that really strikes me odd is, I used it not 2 hours ago and everything was fine back then | 01:17 |
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| joga | I've found the ultimate fix for "can you do something about my laptop, it doesn't turn on / it shuts down randomly / it's messed up" is to disassemble it and blow out *all* the dust and crap on each and every part and especially the system fan | 01:18 |
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| joga | but if you have it that bad I don't think a simple dusting will help anymore | 01:18 |
| merlin1991 | dedusted it 2 weeks ago :D | 01:18 |
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| merlin1991 | and also yea | 01:18 |
| merlin1991 | if that's overheat damage it's past getting ok by dedusting again :D | 01:19 |
| joga | but the amilo did exactly that when it got hot | 01:19 |
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| joga | and eventually, it just stuck, the display was nothing but a mess | 01:19 |
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| merlin1991 | I had it once in the summer running hot to about 75°C, but then it did flicker and stuff, but not this mess | 01:19 |
| jacekowski | temperature doesn't damage electronics that easily | 01:20 |
| merlin1991 | (but that was 2 years ago) | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | everything spends quite a bit of time in reflow oven at 200C+ | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | <merlin1991> because it doesn't get past the autologin to ubuntu | 01:20 |
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| joga | jacekowski, that's what I thought too, but if you google for amilo temperature graphics problem or something there's a lot of stuff | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | graphics card, I'll bet on it too | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | joga: that's what people think | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | joga: blaming temperature is easiest | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | joga: but it's same graphic card as in other laptops | 01:21 |
| joga | jacekowski, I actually blame where they put the graphics chip | 01:21 |
| * merlin1991 wants the laptop to be a newer model ffs | 01:21 | |
| jacekowski | joga: it's process related | 01:21 |
| merlin1991 | it's old enough that the chip even though ati is still onboard | 01:21 |
| joga | but I didn't care to study it because it was the worst laptop I had seen probably | 01:21 |
| jacekowski | joga: soldering fails rather most often | 01:21 |
| jacekowski | joga: because of mechanical stresses | 01:21 |
| jacekowski | joga: when stuff is heating up/cooling down | 01:21 |
| merlin1991 | my newer laptop has the graphics chip plugable | 01:22 |
| joga | jacekowski, yeah and these people throw around their laptops etc | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | i have old sony vaio | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | 4th year now | 01:22 |
| joga | the weirdest gfx related problem I've had will dell d630 | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | bought in 2007 | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | and it's still working fine | 01:22 |
| joga | oh and it also has such a bug: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/strommer/dell.mp4 | 01:22 |
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| jacekowski | and it took quite a bit of abuse | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | like being dropped onto steel floor in container | 01:23 |
| joga | (s/will/has been with/) | 01:24 |
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| jacekowski | jacekowski.org/asus.mp4 | 01:27 |
| jacekowski | i had that kind of stuff happen to me | 01:27 |
| jacekowski | but that was LCD grounding problem | 01:27 |
| joga | heh | 01:27 |
| joga | hardware quirks are the most entertaining though | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: reseat all your plugged components, incl (flat)cables | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: obviously there's something odd with addressing | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | of ram | 01:28 |
| merlin1991 | yea, taking it apart atm | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | video ram | 01:28 |
| merlin1991 | video ram prob | 01:28 |
| joga | but sleep time now...good night | 01:28 |
| merlin1991 | tried to remove one of the ram slots each, but same story with only 1 slot (both of them) | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually mostly looks like a short between a addr and data line | 01:29 |
| merlin1991 | hm should it get till bios without system ram? | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it's actually hard to tell, except for the bit that it affects both video buffer and CPU opcode | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually not nowadays | 01:31 |
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| * merlin1991 is trying to remove as many components as possible | 01:31 | |
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| merlin1991 | hm removed everything but 1 ram (used another one here that should still work) | 01:38 |
| merlin1991 | same result | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | it's the graphics card :p | 01:39 |
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| FIQ|n900 | Hi. Something doesn't feel right here. I was going to copy over my microSD card's content to MyDocs. Checked how much space it used -- 5G. Fine. Checking how much space left on MyDocs. 25G - Fine. Copying, but after 51MB, N900 completly stopped responding, and forced me to do a hard reboot. After doing so, MyDocs is read-only. How can I check why this is the case? | 01:44 |
| merlin1991 | FIQ|n900: I had similar thing yestserday | 01:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | Also checked space after that operation, and nothing is full or anything like that. | 01:44 |
| merlin1991 | another reboot made mydocs normal again | 01:44 |
| merlin1991 | in my case it was an unzip operation on some 400mb that cause it | 01:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | ah | 01:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | One other thing I just noticed is that for just one hour ago, this appears in maemo-optify's log: 2011-05-27 00:30:55 :: not enough free space in /home (need at least 200 MB free), quitting. | 01:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | That's incorrect, I have 1.5MB free in /home, which is enough, why does it say it's too short on space? | 01:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | Er, 1.5GB* | 01:46 |
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| FIQ|n900 | anyway, going to try a reboot | 01:47 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ever seen http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71414 ? | 01:51 |
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| MoonTiger | hi guys :) | 01:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | It worked, but only partially | 01:51 |
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| FIQ|n900 | Started to copy agai, but after some copies, it went read-only again | 01:51 |
| MoonTiger | anybody know how i can get a cursor on the xephyr screen? | 01:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | This time w/o reboot | 01:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | Maybe the files it tries to copy over is corrupted? | 01:52 |
| derf | More likely the filesystem you're copying too is corrupt. | 01:52 |
| derf | *to | 01:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | That seems fair | 01:52 |
| derf | The vfat driver makes the fs read-only when it finds a problem. | 01:53 |
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| Sicelo | MohammadAG: | 01:53 |
| FIQ|n900 | Well, I haven't anything that I care of in that partition, so I guess I will just try a reformat, after doing a quick check if i want to keep anything in there | 01:54 |
| * Sicelo has seen that before :) | 01:54 | |
| derf | You can probably just run fsck on it. | 01:54 |
| Sicelo | & iirc, DocScrutinizer mentioned the method here some time ago | 01:54 |
| MohammadAG | first time I've seen it | 01:54 |
| derf | FAT gets corrupted all the time, especially with a Maemo device that spontaneously reboots and runs out of battery all the time. | 01:55 |
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| Sicelo | i'm not sure if he mentioned the link, but he did explain about the pinout and suggested some method to use it | 01:56 |
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| ShadowJK | My device never reboots :P | 02:00 |
| firstorm | DocScrutinizer? | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | My leading cause of reboots is stopping the wrong watchdogged things. | 02:01 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 02:01 |
| ShadowJK | I've had a couple of times when I ran out of battery without bme running, that's a harsh shutdown :) | 02:02 |
| ShadowJK | Usually with bme running, running out of battery is a clean shutdown | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: That too. | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: But 3280 (or wahtever it is) to 2750 is a useful amount of power. | 02:03 |
| MoonTiger | wow this sb stuff is so f***ing frustrating | 02:03 |
| ShadowJK | It's not that useful really, just a few minutes :) | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Around an hour of mp3 | 02:04 |
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| FIQ|n900 | the fsck helped, ty | 02:06 |
| derf | Yer welcome. | 02:07 |
| merlin1991 | fu acer | 02:09 |
| merlin1991 | poweron controller is part of the main frame | 02:09 |
| merlin1991 | now I'll need to find the right pins | 02:10 |
| Gizmokid2005 | is there any way I can see what exactly is causing my N900 to not connect to my Wifi network all of a sudden? Instead of just "network connection error." | 02:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: now I have seen it :-D | 02:19 |
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| merlin1991 | hm I got it into enough parts to get to the graphics chip | 02:33 |
| merlin1991 | bastard is soldered on the mainboard | 02:33 |
| merlin1991 | I'll need a new board | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: actually I mentioned exactly these pad some time ago here when we were discussing cradle designs, and I had same concerns back then as I posted now to this tmo thread | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ping | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I just had a closer look at the actually only 40 lines notification. Nice! One question though: AIUI there's that option to either close the taskswitcher thumbnail ( [x]), or click either of both the short notifier yellow bar or the taskswitcher yellow window to usually start e.g modest for new mails, phone for missed calls, dialogs for SMS... Could this be done with your code as well, e.g. by returning 0 when clicking on the | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | thumbnail and 1 for closing the thumbnail in taskswitcher? (or am I totally off and the thing looks completely different to what I thought it does?) | 03:00 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: by any chance you have an acer aspire 1650 you don't need anymore lying around? :P | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas not | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have an old dusty EeePC701 with dead battery :-) | 03:07 |
| merlin1991 | nope that motherboard doesn't fit :D | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, I bet it fits | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's really small | 03:07 |
| merlin1991 | btw I found out that for bluetooth in mine only the module is missing | 03:08 |
| merlin1991 | even the cable is in the case | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | usual | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's almost always something to plug in that's contained for next better model of that series | 03:09 |
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| merlin1991 | in this case it's just the business version of the same thing :D | 03:09 |
| merlin1991 | I think the model is too old, can't find any motherboards on ebay except for some crazy us deals | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas the modules are prohibitively expensive to get as a spare part, usually | 03:10 |
| merlin1991 | and original parts from acer resellers are 350€ and up | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah :-/ | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | either you get it fixed somehow, or you'll better get a new laptop | 03:11 |
| merlin1991 | well I do have another one (the one I'm using atm) | 03:12 |
| merlin1991 | but it's my first own pc/laptop I ever got, so it's sad to bin it :D | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw did BIOS still "work" or was it also frozen? | 03:12 |
| merlin1991 | bios did "work" | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmmmmm | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | 03:12 |
| merlin1991 | but the graphics chip is soldered on, so no chance replacing that one | 03:13 |
| merlin1991 | and it could be something on the board | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not completely sold to the gfxchip idea | 03:13 |
| merlin1991 | that was the bios http://imagebin.org/155333 | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've seen it | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | you don't get any POST beeps? | 03:14 |
| merlin1991 | nothing | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | you tried VGA? | 03:14 |
| merlin1991 | yep same result | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | SAME result? o.O | 03:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 03:15 |
| merlin1991 | vga was the first thing I tried :D | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah it's definitely something hw/soldering then, if there's no short in one of the ram sockets | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is this a UMA model? (or whatever it's called, the gfx which shares RAM with CPU ram) | 03:17 |
| merlin1991 | it has 64 dedicated video ram | 03:17 |
| merlin1991 | dunno if it shares too | 03:17 |
| merlin1991 | I think it's some soldering issue, because if it hit it the pattern changes | 03:18 |
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| merlin1991 | vga pic for the lulz http://imagebin.org/155344 | 03:23 |
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| snappy | Im in the app manager, i've clicked update, and for some reason i can't see the openssh server/client or rootsh in the packages (i clicked all) | 03:46 |
| snappy | i think all the catalogues are updated, Ova, Nokia, maemo, etc. | 03:46 |
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| merlin1991 | snappy: when you go to xterm and type "apt-cache policy openssh" what do you get? | 03:54 |
| snappy | oh heh, its installed | 03:55 |
| snappy | i must've instaleld all of this already then | 03:55 |
| snappy | oh yeah, duh, looks like i did | 03:56 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 03:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: (hit it) that's great news | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: no really. This means it can get fixed, not a burnout chip | 04:38 |
| merlin1991 | yea but I got no equipment to solder that kind of stuff | 04:38 |
| merlin1991 | not exactly the best idea to start soldering somthing where the soldering iron tip is 20 times the size of the pin :/ | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 04:41 |
| merlin1991 | and I also don't know wich part is loose, because if I apply pressure pretty much anywhere on the board the pattern changes | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's an expert's job | 04:41 |
| merlin1991 | aka expensive job :D | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, depends | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | merlin1991: Swapping out the motehraboard can be inexpenive in some cases via ebay if you get a smashed screen one | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | you could get away with sth like one hours alias 50EUR | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | merlin1991: Wehre are you? | 04:42 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: been looking around can't get any damaged models, only boards but that only from the us too | 04:42 |
| merlin1991 | so I'm @ ~100€ min | 04:42 |
| merlin1991 | Austria | 04:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | I forget - is Austria in the eurozone? | 04:43 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 04:43 |
| merlin1991 | between germany and italy | 04:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I gather CPU is soldered as well? | 04:43 |
| merlin1991 | actually not | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, you could start poking it with a stick - and see what is most sensitive to poking. | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | you reseated it? | 04:44 |
| merlin1991 | I didn't, but it's on a plastic sockel | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, sure | 04:45 |
| merlin1991 | where it says foxconn on it oO | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | those are always foxconn it seems | 04:45 |
| merlin1991 | just took it out to really test, yep it's not soldered :D | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not search for bad soldering before I checked *ALL* contact connectors | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | CPU socket is a popular point of failure | 04:47 |
| merlin1991 | there's nothing left | 04:47 |
| merlin1991 | except for the cpu socket | 04:47 |
| merlin1991 | so I reseated cpu, time to try again :D | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | even if it doesn't work instantly - as long as *anything* changed on symptoms that's be a good sign | 04:51 |
| merlin1991 | same symptoms | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-( | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | take a hard stick (glass, spoon) and gently tap all chips | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | knock knock, anybody home? | 04:53 |
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| merlin1991 | I'll do that tomorrow, now I'm too tired :D | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I feel withya | 04:55 |
| merlin1991 | night #maemo | 04:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer glares at MX revolution mouse with its fsckdup switches >:-( | 04:56 | |
| merlin1991 | oh I had several logitech mice who decided to have broken buttons one day | 04:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | all have same dirt cheap crappy chinese switch | 04:58 |
| merlin1991 | my current razer survived abour 3 years by now though :D | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I guess I won't find a matching high quality cherry switch to replace them | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | switches are a real pita, as they have so many parameters (mechanically) that need to match exactly for the spare part | 05:01 |
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| dangergrrl | uhm | 07:01 |
| dangergrrl | mein headrspinnen | 07:01 |
| dangergrrl | where do i find /etc/apt/sources.list for $(TARGET)? | 07:01 |
| dangergrrl | i have an emacs running in the development guest | 07:02 |
| dangergrrl | itś not /scratchbox/etc/apt | 07:02 |
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| dangergrrl | where is the scratchbox chroot? pls? | 07:19 |
| dangergrrl | if you can ride a motorcycle to colorado iĺl marry you off to a friend if you help :P | 07:20 |
| ds3 | trying to raffle off Ogres? | 07:21 |
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| GonzoTheGreat_ | cd /scratchbox/users/<YOU>/targets/FREMANTLE_<XYZ>/etc/apt | 07:25 |
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| GonzoTheGreat_ | dangergrrl: that was for you of course | 08:01 |
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| dangergrrl | thank you | 08:23 |
| dangergrrl | danke | 08:23 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/26/bypassing_skype_crypto/ | 08:27 |
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| dangergrrl | hi KMFDM | 08:37 |
| dangergrrl | not with the band i presume they are in seattle last i read | 08:38 |
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| mece | o/ | 10:15 |
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| lolcat | The EEE Pad Transformer has a dual core Cortex cpu, does that mean it will be like the N900? | 11:10 |
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| psycho_oreos | I wonder how does it become like N900 | 11:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | It doesn't run maemo, it doesn't have slide out keyboard, it doesn't have cellular capability, and I'm sure there's more other things missing compared to N900 | 11:26 |
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| robbiethe1st | Speaking of other devices... I just saw one of those Motorola xoom tablets at Fred Meyer's today. Looks cool, UI's OK I suppose... But damn does it feel laggy! | 11:29 |
| ccooke | robbiethe1st: an unfortunate name, then :-/ | 11:30 |
| ccooke | My n900 died last night. I may have to steal my wife's | 11:30 |
| robbiethe1st | Webpages load fast, but pressing the "list program"/dashboard button(i.e. ctrl+backspace on the n900) takes like 200+ms before it starts to respond, then renders a beautiful animation for another couple hundred | 11:30 |
| robbiethe1st | Meaning that it /feels/ sluggish. | 11:31 |
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| psycho_oreos | ccooke, what, how | 11:34 |
| ccooke | psycho_oreos: pass. Won't turn on. I *is* one of the first retail ones, and has had the USB socket repaired twice. | 11:35 |
| ccooke | It, even | 11:35 |
| * ccooke is now stuck on the desire Z, which... well, I *like* android in theory, but... | 11:36 | |
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| psycho_oreos | ah that, I guess you could try a nasty hack of using 3000mAh battery hack with mugen back cover and getting a 2mm charge port wired up | 11:36 |
| ccooke | hmm. Hadn't heard that one. | 11:36 |
| ccooke | I'll pass, I think :-) | 11:37 |
| psycho_oreos | its nothing special, and you won't get your USB functionality back | 11:37 |
| psycho_oreos | lol | 11:37 |
| ccooke | I'm due an upgrade soon. Might have to look at the n9, see if it's decent | 11:37 |
| psycho_oreos | that's if they do release it | 11:37 |
| ccooke | well, it's looking more promising than it was a few weeks back | 11:38 |
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| ccooke | and Nokia did actually claim to be doing long-term meego work a day or two ago | 11:38 |
| ccooke | which came as a surprise | 11:38 |
| psycho_oreos | for now it is :D | 11:38 |
| ccooke | Quite possibly to the meego people | 11:38 |
| ccooke | psycho_oreos: thing is... I like the n900, and that is an orphan phone. If the n9 is a similar level of nice-to-use, I won't actually care much if it becomes an orphan | 11:39 |
| ccooke | it'll give me another two years or so before I need to think of trying Android again, for a start :-) | 11:39 |
| robbiethe1st | I may be interested, so long as it's still got a good old Xterm on it, with root available | 11:40 |
| robbiethe1st | and an unlocked bootloader | 11:40 |
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| ccooke | indeed | 11:40 |
| ccooke | It's a damn shame it won't be running maemo, though | 11:41 |
| psycho_oreos | its partially a good thing that N900 is deemed as `rare' and `occult' for people who still hold onto theirs. However truth be told that it does get irritating seeing fancy addons not for N900 but for other common brands | 11:41 |
| robbiethe1st | It.. may. Apparently, it's part maemo, with the MeeGo UI... at least, that was the plan 5 months ago | 11:41 |
| ccooke | robbiethe1st: huh. That's not what the meego people were saying a few months back | 11:42 |
| robbiethe1st | I'm just saying what I heard from one of my contacts, who left nokia about 5 months ago said... | 11:42 |
| psycho_oreos | I'll see what people say about N9 (if it ever rolls) before buying one. For now I remain highly skeptical of what sort of hardware will be made available in N9. They really didn't combine the best of the technologies for the N900 | 11:42 |
| robbiethe1st | But what I /really/ want is something with all that(or even Android with unlocked bootloader) and a 1024x600 5" or so screen. High res like our N900, but slightly bigger. | 11:43 |
| ccooke | psycho_oreos: I disagree. The N900 was a great phone for the time and lineage | 11:43 |
| robbiethe1st | Very true. | 11:43 |
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| ccooke | robbiethe1st: if the n9 fails to pan out, I'll be looking at the droid 3. 4" screen, five row keyboard... | 11:44 |
| ccooke | of course, it could be a larger keyboard like the n810... | 11:44 |
| ccooke | (which was at best "okay") | 11:44 |
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| MohammadAG | morning | 11:45 |
| psycho_oreos | ccooke, heh I don't agree to that. If it was such a great phone of its time then why was it not so popular and why weren't critical hardware flaws were quickly addressed? Nor was there any minor revision updates (apart from cpu rev changes) to keep holding the fort? :) | 11:46 |
| psycho_oreos | morning | 11:46 |
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| robbiethe1st | MohammadAG: I haven't tried it yet, but is there anything in HEN that'd preclude the use of a standard USB->serial adaptor(shows up on my Linux desktop as /dev/ttyUSB0)? | 11:46 |
| ccooke | psycho_oreos: okay, let's answer that :-) | 11:46 |
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| MohammadAG | robbiethe1st, yes, someone did that in the hostmode thread | 11:46 |
| robbiethe1st | Oh, good. thanks | 11:47 |
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| robbiethe1st | I'm gonna get an adaptor setup, and thanks to Minicom on easy debian, I'll be able to use my n900 to send/recieve data to my CNC Mill | 11:47 |
| ccooke | psycho_oreos: 1) It wasn't popular because it was a "new" phone platform with very little marketing. Look how long it took android to get to the position it's in - everything has to start small, and Nokia did not push the n900. | 11:47 |
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| psycho_oreos | ccooke, more like Nokia frowned at the idea of turning maemo into a full fledged phone like they did with symbian. Hence it was probably released on a whim to test its fate | 11:48 |
| ccooke | psycho_oreos: Nokia saw the n900 as a developer phone, for research purposes. More of a mainstream device than the NITs before it, but not actually something to push on that device. | 11:48 |
| ccooke | psycho_oreos: and the hardware stuff that wasn't fixed? Because nokia saw the n900 as and r&d exercise. Why fix the thing, if it had already served its purpose? | 11:49 |
| psycho_oreos | ccooke, then again, if it was a research phone its a bit weird to have it released to the public without all the necessary warnings? or were they there to sham the linux community by releasing a half assed device with fundamental hardware issues? | 11:49 |
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| ccooke | psycho_oreos: well, Nokia were clear that it was a research device to the community | 11:50 |
| psycho_oreos | sure they've achieved their r&d purposes by turning their maemo fans into nothing more than guinea pigs and continues to despise them to this very day | 11:50 |
| ccooke | psycho_oreos: it was said several times at the Maemo conference | 11:50 |
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| ccooke | the n900 was never planned to be the mainstream break-out device | 11:51 |
| psycho_oreos | ccooke, not on the packaging box, an average joe wouldn't have picked that up if they wanted to tinker with something and didn't realise it was a test device | 11:51 |
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| ccooke | psycho_oreos: An average joe would have been no worse off using it than most phones, if they had no massive preferences | 11:51 |
| ccooke | the n900 is a nice phone | 11:52 |
| psycho_oreos | even so it shows the quality of how Nokia treated its fans, so they've axed their reputation because of that | 11:52 |
| psycho_oreos | ccooke, I'm not saying N900 is a bad/crap/shit phone. Its just a let down how Nokia treated maemo right from the word go | 11:52 |
| ccooke | psycho_oreos: you appear to be making an assumption that Nokia knew what it was doing. I think pas evidence shows that this was not the case | 11:52 |
| ccooke | I believe that the maemo team at nokia did the best they could, from what I saw | 11:53 |
| flux | "never attribute to malice that can be explained by incompetence" | 11:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | ccooke, I'm only making assumptions based on what you have said and how maemo was targeted. It was targeted for the niche market. Granted that it did get some of that effect. However an average joe would have still picked up the thing, saw all the flaws, gets pissed off and finds another phone. | 11:53 |
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| ccooke | psycho_oreos: so? | 11:54 |
| psycho_oreos | and also free maemo devs are leaving rapidly :) | 11:54 |
| ccooke | psycho_oreos: That would actually give Nokia valid data. | 11:54 |
| psycho_oreos | community maemo devs actually | 11:54 |
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| ccooke | Well, of course they are. Maemo is *dead* | 11:54 |
| flux | boohoo, they didn't make n900 for everyone? | 11:54 |
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| psycho_oreos | ccooke, don't know what you meant by Nokia valid data | 11:55 |
| ccooke | well, a shambling zombie corpse kept mobile by the community that remains :-) | 11:55 |
| ccooke | psycho_oreos: several things, actually. Firstly... the n900 is a decent phone for people who don't have a preference for phones. | 11:56 |
| psycho_oreos | ccooke, for the time being though | 11:56 |
| psycho_oreos | ccooke, more like those who knew what maemo was truly capable of kept the phone to this very day | 11:57 |
| psycho_oreos | i.e. purpose built device | 11:57 |
| flux | I know some non-developer n900 owners. they seem quite happy with it. | 11:57 |
| flux | but they are technically aligned | 11:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | as one would have to be in general | 11:58 |
| ccooke | I know non-technical people who like the n900 | 11:58 |
| chem|st | re | 11:58 |
| ccooke | They don't make full use of it, but they wouldn't have made full use of any other phone | 11:58 |
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| ccooke | but it does the job for them very well | 11:58 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: it is not reading the hardware "fuel gauge" right but something gets messed up afaik | 11:59 |
| chem|st | ccooke: the point is that there is no other "phone" alike device with it's capabilities | 12:00 |
| psycho_oreos | the only cases I've came across with are those who don't use the device as a whole rather, they use it for whatever specific purpose they have on their mind. E.g. FM Transmitter + music player, pentesting wifi networks, or multibooting | 12:00 |
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| chem|st | psycho_oreos: wouldn't count multibooting as purpose in that case if you are not looking at devel for the other OS | 12:01 |
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| chem|st | my device is used for what I need if there is no other computer reachable or missing capabilities | 12:02 |
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| psycho_oreos | chem|st, though you gotta admit the youtube videos are feeding the crowd with whatever wants to show. I'm sure there's a fair few youtube videos with people multibooting other OS namely *droid | 12:02 |
| chem|st | like my girl's mother's TV has no PC-in so I transfer the movie to the n900... batched | 12:02 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: yeah and booting droid does what? nothing useful for now | 12:03 |
| psycho_oreos | chem|st, to some people its a bit of boast factor to show off their device can do this and others can't easily | 12:03 |
| chem|st | "look my device can even boot android" and crap is for showoffs | 12:03 |
| dashavoo | My laptop hates my N900, because when I have my phone with me, my laptop goes unused for 6 months at a time | 12:04 |
| chem|st | dashavoo: kind of | 12:04 |
| psycho_oreos | that's what the non devs of other OS installed on N900 generally are ;) they just experiment, see the results and off it goes to presentation | 12:04 |
| chem|st | my netbook was bought for testing and proof of concept and to increase my own linux learning curve | 12:05 |
| chem|st | now it is server and skype station | 12:05 |
| chem|st | once a year it is picked for vintage gaming at my sibbling's | 12:05 |
| chem|st | and key element in watching youtube btw is to go fullscreen, as rendering in-site doesn't work that well | 12:07 |
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| * psycho_oreos thinks instead the idea is to run a custom kernel (with BFS+200 `lines of miracle code) + custom transitions and other tweaks to make N900 go faster for viewing youtube videos | 12:08 | |
| psycho_oreos | but then again there's always apps like zoutube for instance | 12:08 |
| chem|st | waht have transitions to do with youtube? | 12:09 |
| chem|st | and I do not ahve any custom kernel parts... | 12:09 |
| psycho_oreos | might shave off mem usage. Then there's the auto-orientation | 12:09 |
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| chem|st | and even FF does fine if going fullscreen | 12:10 |
| psycho_oreos | you meant microB :) | 12:10 |
| chem|st | microB and FF do fine with youtube | 12:10 |
| psycho_oreos | FF as in firefox right? specifically you meant Nightly/Fennec | 12:11 |
| dashavoo | Its a shame Opera doesn't do flash | 12:12 |
| psycho_oreos | it can do flash, its just the devs aren't going to bother putting up with having to go through all that crap with adobe licensing | 12:14 |
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| dashavoo | psycho_oreos: it can do it as in I can do something on my phone to make it work? | 12:19 |
| psycho_oreos | dashavoo, no | 12:20 |
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| psycho_oreos | though I haven't looked into it, I somewhat think it might be possible but if that were the case others would have beaten me to it | 12:20 |
| dashavoo | psycho_oreos: then it doesn't do flash. My original statement stands. | 12:21 |
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| psycho_oreos | dashavoo, what I meant was had the opera devs went through the effort of making it to work then your case wouldn't stand :) its not exactly opera's fault | 12:22 |
| dashavoo | That is like me saying that I can fly, because if I went through the effort of taking lessons I would be able to | 12:23 |
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| dashavoo | I don't blame Opera for it, I just think it is a pity, as being as Opera is the nicest browser on my N900 by far | 12:23 |
| psycho_oreos | heh not the exact same analogy. Its a bit more like, I can fly but in order for me to fly I must comply with all these rules and regulations before I can actually fly :) | 12:25 |
| dashavoo | hmm, maybe | 12:26 |
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| Ikarus | silly, not quite on topic question, but anyone know a store within Europe that still sells new N900s | 12:31 |
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| Ikarus | I send mine in for warranty for broke USB connector | 12:31 |
| Ikarus | and they decided, can't fix, replacing with N8 (which isn't equivilent, nor run Maemo) | 12:31 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol ouch | 12:34 |
| Ikarus | yeah, not funny | 12:35 |
| psycho_oreos | so the warranty is void from Nokia but not from that store? | 12:35 |
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| Ikarus | psycho_oreos: hrm, the warranty isn't void | 12:39 |
| Ikarus | but my warranty is with the store, not Nokia in the first place | 12:40 |
| psycho_oreos | bah so its kinda pointless then :) | 12:40 |
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| Ikarus | psycho_oreos: I can still claim the Nokia warranty aswell | 12:41 |
| Ikarus | but this is a bloody mess | 12:41 |
| Ikarus | and I want to fucking beat them to a pulp for it | 12:41 |
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| Ikarus | N8, equivilent, what ARE they smoking | 12:41 |
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| Venemo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73481 -> LOL | 12:44 |
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| chem|st | Venemo: lovely | 12:52 |
| chem|st | Ikarus: amazon.de still ships it | 12:52 |
| Ikarus | chem|st: cool | 12:53 |
| Ikarus | but wrong keyboard | 12:53 |
| chem|st | Ikarus: order a keyboard or make them ship your old device back to you, changing the kbd is 2mins | 12:54 |
| Ikarus | chem|st: hmmm, k | 12:54 |
| Ikarus | not amused with this vendor | 12:55 |
| chem|st | Ikarus: gsmeasy in .nl has stock too | 12:55 |
| Ikarus | chem|st: hah, going to demand them ordering one there :) | 12:55 |
| chem|st | ok it doesn't... | 12:56 |
| PolarFox | Ikarus: I got an N8 too.. | 12:56 |
| PolarFox | Ikarus: Out of replacement N900s and boards.. :( | 12:57 |
| chem|st | amazon.de ships a qwerty for 557€ | 12:57 |
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| Ikarus | PolarFox: I'm going to settle for either 650 euro back or a N900 | 12:57 |
| Ikarus | no other option | 12:57 |
| lardman | that N9 hits FCC TMO thread really is full of crap, pardon my French | 12:59 |
| psycho_oreos | Ikarus, the only reason why I laughed was the fact that I had faced a very similar sort of case when it came to me wanting to purchase another N900 in .hk. Of many retailers I've asked, they either said, "Out of stock", "Company ceased production", or "Would you be interested in N8?". It seems like N900 customers are getting slugged to switch to symbian and makes me wonder if this was Nokia's doing. | 13:00 |
| Ikarus | lardman: if only the N9 would be out this month :) | 13:01 |
| lardman | probably not and just a replacement for the top of the line N-series | 13:01 |
| psycho_oreos | and no I don't live in Europe so I wouldn't have known where else to buy them over there | 13:01 |
| lardman | Ikarus: indeed, well FCC timelimit for the photos expires in a month and a week or so | 13:01 |
| Ikarus | meh, might have to bribe them into an Android phone | 13:03 |
| Ikarus | if they really don't want to find a N900 | 13:03 |
| Ikarus | ofcourse I'll buy a used one aswell | 13:03 |
| lardman | not much with a kb though | 13:03 |
| chem|st | Ikarus: ebay got lots of | 13:03 |
| Ikarus | chem|st: so does Marktplaats at quite decent prices | 13:04 |
| dashavoo | yuck, Ikarus, don't do it | 13:04 |
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| chem|st | ehrm 150eur? | 13:04 |
| dashavoo | Say "no!" to Android | 13:04 |
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| Ikarus | dashavoo: I fear that Symbian is the worse choice for me | 13:05 |
| psycho_oreos | the alternatives isn't that much better if it isn't android | 13:05 |
| lardman | Android does have a couple of good things - maps that work and sync with google calendar | 13:05 |
| chem|st | Ikarus: I would go for E7+100€refund | 13:06 |
| lardman | I would rather like either or both of those on my N900/future device | 13:06 |
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| Ikarus | lardman: neither of those I want | 13:06 |
| Ikarus | Google is NOT my friend | 13:06 |
| Ikarus | chem|st: perhaps, it's just so lame | 13:07 |
| chem|st | lardman: you should start reading some threads! we have working maps... and google cal WFM | 13:07 |
| robbiethe1st | Let me just say: DebianPhone > Maemo > Meego > Android .....> Symbian > WP7 | 13:07 |
| Ikarus | robbiethe1st: exactly | 13:07 |
| lardman | chem|st: Hmm, google cal sync has never worked for mwe | 13:07 |
| dashavoo | psycho_oreos: I agree, the alternatives are not much better, but they are still better than google having your phone on a string | 13:07 |
| Ikarus | dashavoo: problem is Symbian is just a pig | 13:08 |
| chem|st | robbiethe1st: swap symbian with android and I agree | 13:08 |
| psycho_oreos | lol no moblin, blackberry, iOS in sight there robbiethe1st | 13:08 |
| robbiethe1st | Thing about Android is if I ever go with one, I'll go with one with an unlocked bootloader: Stick CM on it, and it can't be that bad | 13:08 |
| psycho_oreos | dashavoo, I'd have no choice but to go with android if it isn't maemo/meego/moblin | 13:08 |
| chem|st | motorola just releases one with unlocked BL | 13:08 |
| robbiethe1st | iOS's about down there with WP7; blackberry about the same... | 13:08 |
| Ken-Young | robbiethe1st, What is CM? | 13:08 |
| dashavoo | I am bold enough to say that I will never have an android phone | 13:08 |
| psycho_oreos | oh and there's bada | 13:08 |
| chem|st | ah not motorola it is HTC | 13:08 |
| robbiethe1st | CyanogenMod | 13:08 |
| Ken-Young | robbiethe1st, THanks | 13:09 |
| robbiethe1st | i.e. Pure Android, in a custom package | 13:09 |
| psycho_oreos | dashavoo, so you'd rather have symbian? ew | 13:09 |
| dashavoo | I intend to make my N900 last as long as I possibly can. If it ever dies, I will have to re-evaluate the market. | 13:09 |
| robbiethe1st | So, rootable with some sort of terminal at least... | 13:09 |
| psycho_oreos | Nexus branded devices (currently Nexus and Nexus S) have unlocked bootloaders, allowing one to freely install other OS of their choice | 13:10 |
| psycho_oreos | the rest of android based devices are a bit of hit and miss when it comes to trying to install other OS and booting off it natively, some can do it, some can't | 13:11 |
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| dashavoo | psycho_oreos: what other OS can you install on them then? | 13:12 |
| lardman | meego | 13:12 |
| dashavoo | ah, cool | 13:13 |
| psycho_oreos | dashavoo, and that's the one thing I like about android phones, if I really despised Google (I'm not a big fan either but at least Google did base their android platform on linux kernel to the very least) I can always install something like meego | 13:13 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah what lardman said, or others (with some porting if the user desires) | 13:13 |
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| lardman | meego also requires porting though | 13:13 |
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| psycho_oreos | symbian phones afaik have signed bootloaders, apart from hearing one that N8 possibly does not have locked bootloader, you can't boot other OS of your choice on symbian based phones.. that to me is a nail in the coffin | 13:14 |
| psycho_oreos | true but better than where other phone's OS are generally sitting at (minus the obvious maemo based devices + OM) | 13:14 |
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| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, it's locked by default | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | you have to change it I think | 13:27 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, you meant N8? meh well that's no different to other symbian devices then :D | 13:27 |
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| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, yeah | 13:32 |
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| robbiethe1st | ...What's always struck me as funny about the n900 is that message about "be sure to unplug the charger" when you disconnect it's charging cord. | 13:58 |
| Lynoure | robbiethe1st: chargers eat power too, most of them, even when they are not charging or connected to a phone. | 13:59 |
| robbiethe1st | See, the default n900 charger is just about as effecient as they come: With my crude kill-a-watt meter, it shows 0W when it's not connected. | 13:59 |
| Lynoure | robbiethe1st: oh, cool :) | 13:59 |
| robbiethe1st | With an old transformer model, yea, I could see unplugging it. But with that one? It's probably not worth it. | 13:59 |
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| psycho_oreos | I guess its a friendly reminder to save power :) | 14:11 |
| macmaN | yeah, that largely depends on the timezone | 14:13 |
| macmaN | in quite many parts of the world, esp. nokias home region, it doesnt make one bit of difference what exactly heats your house | 14:13 |
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| psycho_oreos | for all we know it might be a thing to keep greenies happy :þ | 14:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | Of course it is. | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | It's greenwash. | 14:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Pure and simple. | 14:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, btw I almost have two N900 working with USB networking :) I got a big hint from a bloke in #kernelnewbies on oftc | 14:28 |
| macmaN | i wouldnt go to extremes with that claim either | 14:28 |
| macmaN | its pretty clear that the ecosystem is getting fucked by the overpollution that comes from making gazillions of these beloved devices | 14:28 |
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| robbiethe1st | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260787649113 is what I want for a proper hostmode cable, isn't it? | 14:29 |
| macmaN | yet inside that one still need to consider local conditions when trying to apply stuff like widespread energy policies | 14:29 |
| macmaN | the LED lighting is another example of that | 14:29 |
| robbiethe1st | Same witb CCFLs. | 14:30 |
| robbiethe1st | er | 14:30 |
| robbiethe1st | cfls | 14:30 |
| psycho_oreos | the funny thing is that even though the organisations are largely responsible for polluting the environment and our heads. A greenie would probably be happy to be reminded to remain being `green', had they not been reminded they may pick that up elsewhere and then whinge at respective companies who did not remind them to be green imo | 14:31 |
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| psycho_oreos | robbiethe1st, never tried that but I'm not too big of a fan when it comes to having a cable of that length. I bought an adapter which is no longer (in length) than a small bluetooth adapter with one end being uUSB male on one end with USB female on the other | 14:33 |
| robbiethe1st | I've heard, though, that you've got to be really careful with that lest you break something | 14:34 |
| robbiethe1st | i.e. by strain on the conectors | 14:34 |
| Ikarus | yup, the N900 internal USB connector is notorious *grmbls* | 14:34 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, heh, stopped using USB networking for now | 14:34 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, o.O going through wireless/bluetooth? | 14:35 |
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| psycho_oreos | robbiethe1st, *shrugs* apart from the `teeth' on the bottom of the uUSB connector on the adapter, the only other thing to worry about is dropping your device with that attached or being inconsiderate and somehow banged the device with the connector on something hard (and it is the connector being hit not the device) | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, wireless | 14:37 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, I had that going initially but I had different thing in mind (especially now using USB networking, it all seems like there's less interference to worry about on the 2.4GHz network ;) | 14:38 |
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| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, I don't get interference but USB Networking simply kills wifi on the N900 | 14:39 |
| psycho_oreos | Ikarus, I personally believe (and I could be wrong), that only certain revisions of N900 were affected by the improper implementation of uUSB socket. So far I'm assuming that revision 2101 are the ones heavily affected | 14:40 |
| macmaN | MohammadAG: wdym kills? | 14:40 |
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| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, weird, can't see how that would happen :) then again by me using USB networking I leave wireless free to do other things | 14:40 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, I'm guessing the N900 tries to use the USB network instead of wifi | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG | so telepathy keeps trying to connect, etc | 14:41 |
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| Ikarus | psycho_oreos: the problem is that the USB socket is a surface mount one in general | 14:41 |
| Ikarus | that is just asking for trouble | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Non-surface-mount USB are very rare. | 14:41 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, yeah that's routing and probably libicd-network-null affecting imo :). I've had before a `broken USB networking setup' where I could SSH into N900 through USB network but have N900 going through wireless to get internet access because host computer denies N900 access | 14:42 |
| psycho_oreos | Ikarus, well that is true, however I haven't had my N900 uUSB socket falling out.. I guess it'll be a matter of time before it actually falls out. I have already bought a replacement socket (though I wouldn't know how to solder it on myself nor would I have the tools to do it properly) | 14:43 |
| Ikarus | SpeedEvil: uh, I've got a whole box of them, the connector is SMD, but it has two pins through the PCB to hold it in place | 14:44 |
| Ikarus | microUSB | 14:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ikarus: I was just going off disgikey - they say that there are only 2 through-hole variants - of 86 SMD | 14:48 |
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| Ikarus | SpeedEvil: it's still a design fault imo | 14:50 |
| Ikarus | even if they are hard to get | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | UI'm not arguing. | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm just saying that it's a fairly common design fault. | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | IUt could be fairly easily fixed by them shipping: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NOKIA-CU-17A-DAB-RADIO-DIGITAL-RADIO-STEREO-HEADSET-NEW-/170637073342?pt=UK_Mobiles_Accessories_RL&hash=item27bac31bbe - | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | or siilar as a connector | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | (not the phones) | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | (though they are not phoneS) | 14:51 |
| Ikarus | I assume that is a more soft connector ? | 14:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Right angle | 14:52 |
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| Ikarus | SpeedEvil: not sure if that helps alot | 14:58 |
| Ikarus | meh, come on, idiots give me a phone call | 14:59 |
| SpeedEvil | The right thing would be an actual dock connector. | 14:59 |
| Ikarus | SpeedEvil: I actually designed a dock for tne N900, printable by makerbot | 15:00 |
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| Ikarus | but never got around to printing it | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | The problem is that you can't dock microusb sanely | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | where sanely = just slam it in the dock | 15:00 |
| Ikarus | SpeedEvil: true | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | My best idea along those lines would be a key into the lanyard and speaker grille. | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Then extend the connector on a little servo when those are seated | 15:02 |
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| mece | gaah! | 15:23 |
| mece | "Warning: Promotion of packages depending on hotfixes is blocked." | 15:23 |
| mece | bleh | 15:23 |
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| mece | so I just have to replace all import QtQuick 1.0 with import Qt 4.7 if I want to promote this thing.. | 15:23 |
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| Ikarus | heh, they found a ex-demo N900 in their shop in Antwerp, with 2 minor scratches to the backplate, my old one had a huge crack there | 15:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: thruhole is rare for micro-SB, but actually most of the smd varaints seem to have mechanical supports that are designed to at least snap into some holes on board, to fix against torsion | 15:43 |
| Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: yes, the type I have are like that | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't help when you're pressing down the plug 'lever' | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | pulling up is secrued by case, forth and back by those poles | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I even considered drilling holes to N900 PCB for those posts | 15:46 |
| Ikarus | heh | 15:46 |
| Ikarus | someone should sell a securing kit | 15:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cradle with USB and charging via pads and pogopins | 15:47 |
| Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: heh, design one | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | already did | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's all ready in my head ;-) | 15:48 |
| Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: I've got a 3D model of the reverse of that side of the phone | 15:48 |
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| Ikarus | so you could use that if I can upload it | 15:48 |
| Macer | hm | 15:48 |
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| Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: I already designed a hackish dock | 15:48 |
| Macer | mail for exchange seems reluctant to sync a lot of calendar entries | 15:48 |
| Macer | lame | 15:49 |
| Ikarus | but if you can come up with a nicer design | 15:49 |
| chem|st | ~hail DocScrutinizer | 15:49 |
| * infobot bows down to DocScrutinizer and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 15:49 | |
| Macer | damn | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm just a bloke technician | 15:49 |
| Macer | blah | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | EE to be precise | 15:49 |
| Macer | seems kind of silly to have to add one or two entries at a time then sync | 15:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I know how to build the electrical part of that, and I'd get an acryl glass bend to shape to hold the phone when dropped in | 15:51 |
| billmania | DocScrutinizer: Can you read and display STL files? | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, no idea what it is | 15:51 |
| billmania | A fellow N900 owner created a 3D model of an N900 "cradle" for me, which I plan to use on the dashboard of my car. | 15:51 |
| billmania | It might be useful with your N900 docking station design. | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course | 15:52 |
| billmania | DocScrutinizer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STL_%28file_format%29 | 15:52 |
| chem|st | Macer: DocScrutinizer stereolithograph .stl | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | the changes needed to N900 are tiny | 15:52 |
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| chem|st | ehrm Macer for you I had something on my mind like adding MfE to the /topic exception! | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | just drill 4 small (1.2mm) holes to the back cover, above battery | 15:53 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: a wireless charging system would be neat | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, but way too expensive | 15:54 |
| chem|st | ? | 15:54 |
| billmania | DocScrutinizer: The fellows at the local hackerspace create a lot with 3D printers and we're planning to "print" a few of these cradles. No modifications to the N900 required. | 15:54 |
| chem|st | thought of using one of the toothbrush stands 30€... | 15:54 |
| Macer | mfe? | 15:54 |
| billmania | Mail for Exchange. | 15:55 |
| Macer | haha | 15:55 |
| Macer | no talking about mfe here? :) | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | billmania: no mods? so how are you going to chare the thing then? | 15:55 |
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| chem|st | billmania: friends try to get a reprap working... as soon as I will have a look at car mounts | 15:55 |
| Macer | boo... it is good when it works | 15:56 |
| billmania | DocScrutinizer: We plan to use the existing connections, through the micro USB. | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 15:56 |
| Macer | but it doesn't work that well with google | 15:56 |
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| billmania | Macer: I noticed that as well, the unhappiness between the latest MfE and Google calendar. | 15:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my major goal was to spare the USB, and have an alternative | 15:57 |
| billmania | chem|st: Yes, there are several repraps in progress at Pumping Station:One in Chicago. | 15:57 |
| chem|st | Macer: MfE is a thread in the forums started by the guy who hacked it by nokia, and NO there wont ever be proper google support | 15:57 |
| chem|st | billmania: another idea for my 300€ spare o_O | 15:57 |
| billmania | chem|st: Yes, no shortage of places to pour money. I also own a sailboat, which serves the same purpose. :-D | 15:58 |
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| chem|st | billmania: ouw what kind of boat is it | 15:59 |
| jaska | i want a car cradle :| | 15:59 |
| chem|st | jaska: then buy one! | 15:59 |
| billmania | chem|st: 1981 C&C Landfall 38 sloop, masthead rig. | 15:59 |
| jaska | not sure where to look | 15:59 |
| chem|st | nice! | 16:00 |
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| chem|st | billmania: I started dreaming about ever owning a bavaria 55... | 16:00 |
| billmania | chem|st: I think I've only seen photos of Bavaria's in Cruising World magazine. Nice looking yachts. | 16:01 |
| chem|st | but a 30 year old boat is something you can put all your spare money in and be short anyways... | 16:01 |
| billmania | We better be careful before we're banned from #maemo for being too off-topic. | 16:01 |
| * billmania searches for #guys-and-boats | 16:02 | |
| chem|st | billmania: yeah the smaller ones are not that of my type as they managed to have too much wasted space | 16:02 |
| billmania | jaska: I haven't found a car cradle suitable for the N900 either. | 16:02 |
| jaska | plus mine has a mugen battery cover, probably limits the options :) | 16:03 |
| chem|st | billmania: then back to topic, last turn I used columbus and gps recorder to track and navigate | 16:03 |
| billmania | Ah, a columbus user. I'm about to remove that package and re-install gpsrecorder. | 16:03 |
| billmania | columbus seems way too unstable to be of any use. | 16:03 |
| chem|st | billmania: jaska brodit active car mount | 16:03 |
| billmania | gpsrecorded has been very stable for me. | 16:03 |
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| chem|st | billmania: yeah crashes a lot, used it to find the boat in the harbours again ;) | 16:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | off-topic policy: nothing is off-topic unless somebody complains. After any complaint got raised, it's up to the chanops to honestly check and counteract OT discussions | 16:05 |
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| billmania | jaska: http://www.mountonus.com/Nokia-N900/Brodit-Active-Holder-With-Cig-Plug-512099-22991.aspx | 16:05 |
| billmania | That's very nice, but a bit expensive. | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | billmania: I'm unsure if you seriously can complain about your own OT posts ;-D | 16:06 |
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| * merlin1991 raises complain ;) | 16:06 | |
| billmania | DocScrutinizer: Wasn't complaining, just expressing fear of being censured. :-D | 16:06 |
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| cehteh | billmania: looks like it fixes the device with the usb jack .. not a brilliant idea :) | 16:07 |
| billmania | cehteh: Yeah. I've never had trouble with mine, but many co-N900 owners have had their USB jack repaired. | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | we, well I, never censor for OT in itself | 16:07 |
| cehteh | i dont have trouble with mine either yet .. but i take it quite careful | 16:08 |
| cehteh | i wont mount the device using the usb jack :) | 16:08 |
| merlin1991 | yesterday night this chan turned into a notebook support chan xD | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | trolling yes, XXX yes, not listening to requests to stay on topic yes, but mere OT... meh | 16:08 |
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| billmania | Does anyone actually own one of these: http://www.mountonus.com/Nokia-N900/Brodit-Passive-Holder-With-Tilt-Swivel-511099-22965.aspx | 16:09 |
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| billmania | Are they worth the 23 Euros? | 16:09 |
| merlin1991 | the only on topic part of that was that somewhere on the borken piece of hw there was sb installed :) | 16:09 |
| lardman|home | just a quickie, has anyone had any troubles with SB and Maemo development in general with Natty Narwhal? | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: is there anybody who had *no* troubles with SB? ;-D | 16:13 |
| lardman|home | lol | 16:13 |
| lardman|home | works ok for me | 16:14 |
| lardman|home | but then I've probably blocked the bad bits out | 16:14 |
| lardman|home | strange how I can't remember much of the past 2 years..... | 16:14 |
| lardman|home | ;) | 16:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as Mr Freud, I think it's a common strategy of humans to cope with this :-) | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask* | 16:15 |
| lardman|home | :) | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | though the typo made sense as well :-P | 16:15 |
| lardman|home | :D | 16:16 |
| lardman|home | so to reiterate, has anyone had any more troubles than usual with SB using Natty Narwhal? | 16:16 |
| lardman|home | whatever the case I need to get rid of this version of Gnome, it's crap | 16:16 |
| lardman|home | almost as bad as windows not letting you open a term in the current dir | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | does anybody even know what's natty narwhal and has used it with SB? | 16:17 |
| lardman|home | and worse in that it has no way of searching in the current dir | 16:17 |
| lardman|home | I thought it would be fairly well know, latest Ubuntu release and all that ;) | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: Thought as much, but <no answer> to your original question is a rather ambiguous result | 16:18 |
| lardman|home | yeah | 16:18 |
| Macer | mail for exchange isnt open src right? | 16:18 |
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| Macer | is there anything that is that does the same thing? like gpe that can sync with google? | 16:19 |
| lardman|home | there is supposed to be something | 16:19 |
| lardman|home | can't remember the name now though, should be searchable though, in Extras | 16:20 |
| lardman|home | syncs the main calendar, not gpe though | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: ""has anybody tested to stick a steel nail into the holes of this wall mains outlet? Does it hurt?"" ... ""nobody, ok then - I'll try it"" | 16:21 |
| lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: I wasn't suggesting a null result was the same as a non-bad result! | 16:21 |
| Macer | lardman... so just look for "calendar" ? | 16:21 |
| lardman|home | Macer: erming? | 16:22 |
| Macer | hm. let me see :) | 16:22 |
| lardman|home | http://erminig.garage.maemo.org/ | 16:22 |
| lardman|home | yeah | 16:22 |
| Macer | the calendar keeps making mfe stay stuck at sync when you add more than 4 entries | 16:22 |
| merlin1991 | lardman|home: my sb still runs on lucid | 16:22 |
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| lardman|home | merlin1991: same here, I'll just leave it be for the time being I guess | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: nah, just everybody who tried to run SB on natty now is in a health care facility that doesn't allow them to answer here ;-D | 16:23 |
| lardman|home | Macer: I could never get the built-in exchange stuff to finish its first sync | 16:23 |
| lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: lol | 16:23 |
| Macer | lardman|home: i have | 16:23 |
| Macer | but the email won't send | 16:23 |
| merlin1991 | Macer: it works fine for me, but I'm not syncing calendar nor contacts | 16:24 |
| Macer | and the calendar get stuck with 4+ entries | 16:24 |
| merlin1991 | only mail | 16:24 |
| lardman|home | ok, so not much of an improvement then | 16:24 |
| Macer | merlin1991: the contacts work too | 16:24 |
| merlin1991 | I have it running mail only and that works | 16:24 |
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| lardman|home | hmm, not sure I'd want to suck mail onto the N900 if I could avoid it | 16:24 |
| Macer | merlin1991: mail was the one messing me up | 16:24 |
| lardman|home | it's funny, I have my N900, but try to avoid using the web browser, maps, mail and calendar | 16:25 |
| Macer | lardman|home: i use imap for the mail | 16:25 |
| lardman|home | must get writing some better apps | 16:25 |
| lardman|home | Macer: ah I didn't know how the GMail stuff works | 16:25 |
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| Macer | lardman|home: yeah. that is what i am using it for | 16:28 |
| Macer | the contacts are the most important | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: (natty&Q) that's "asking_smart_questions" master class level ;-) | 16:28 |
| Macer | but i would like the calendar to work as well | 16:28 |
| lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: I try to keep the questions simple to avoid scaring people ;) | 16:28 |
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| lardman|home | cal works, but just on device, but it could be so much better | 16:29 |
| lardman|home | more usable | 16:29 |
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| lardman|home | and being able to share it with my wife would be a start | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: so first find people that have actually tried it. Then poll their notion about if there've been special problems | 16:30 |
| * lardman|home starts writing an online poll | 16:32 | |
| lardman|home | or probably better I should head back to work, and not upgrade just yet ;) | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | For calendar, my main annoyance is that I can't schedule buiweekly 'appointments' on it. I want to set it up so I can tell when I need to put my bin out. | 16:32 |
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| lardman|home | I dislike the following: lack of multiple alarms on e.g. meetings; input with only date not day; poor presentation of the data full stop (blue lines, no text); fixed alarm reminder times | 16:36 |
| lardman|home | probably more once I really start thinking :) | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you ever have investigated the database format, and what happens if you edit an appointment to a different interval there? | 16:36 |
| lardman|home | lack of sync with Google Calendar or some other online system is up there too | 16:37 |
| lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: the backend probably allows arbitrary alarm times, just the ui that needs fixing | 16:37 |
| lardman|home | probably, I'd need to check | 16:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer looks at bags of trash that are waiting to move out next Tuesday morning, as they already did since 4 weeks | 16:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: (backend) my point | 16:38 |
| lardman|home | urgh | 16:38 |
| lardman|home | or ergh | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: ?? recycling - biweekly | 16:39 |
| lardman|home | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/calendar-backend/classCAlarm.html | 16:39 |
| lardman|home | oh recycling not rubbish then | 16:39 |
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| Lantizia | What do we think of this purportedly 1500mah battery for n900? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/140492814936 | 16:40 |
| Lantizia | via hong kong :S | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I have not. I understand it works. | 16:40 |
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| lardman|home | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/calendar-backend/classCRecurrence.html is the recurrence stuff | 16:41 |
| psycho_oreos | I wouldn't trust it, it might not even be 1500mAh, plus did you check out that thread on massive battery test? its in t.m.o. | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It doesn't bug me that much - I just now have a web link on the desktop that I click, which takes me to my online collection calendar, that I hit any wednesday I'm confused | 16:41 |
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| dangergrrl | so this ljprm-680 is the mythical n9/950? | 16:43 |
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| dangergrrl | the docs on fcc.gov are not much help | 16:45 |
| lardman|home | when does the 45 day confidentiality on some docs run from? | 16:45 |
| lardman|home | date of the letter, or presumably date of the FCC granting a licence? | 16:45 |
| dangergrrl | looks like maybe june 25th? | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever - GAN900 (?) said it ends in june | 16:46 |
| Lantizia | Anyone ever seen alternate back covers for the N900 (not the mugen one)... perhaps one with a longer stand so it doesn't wobble? | 16:46 |
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| lardman|home | so something like the 24th of June anyway assuming it was approved on 10th May? | 16:46 |
| lardman|home | around then anyway | 16:46 |
| dangergrrl | these documents were available may 11th | 16:47 |
| dangergrrl | one of which says 45 day delay | 16:47 |
| lardman|home | submitted on the 10th | 16:47 |
| lardman|home | anyway, close enough | 16:47 |
| dangergrrl | so the withheld ones should be available june 26th +/- | 16:48 |
| lardman|home | 31 days in May | 16:48 |
| dangergrrl | june 17 then :P | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: dirt cheap shellscript exploiting sqlite3 to edit interval of selectable recurring events in calendar? | 16:48 |
| dangergrrl | 27 | 16:48 |
| lardman|home | no, subtract one | 16:48 |
| dangergrrl | i just woke up | 16:49 |
| lardman|home | at least we know it has a keypad | 16:49 |
| lardman|home | what are all those people on TMO waffling on about it not having one? | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not worth the several minutes it'd take me to ... | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and that's about all we know | 16:49 |
| lardman|home | and wifi n and cdma as well as normal, etc | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | cdma?? | 16:50 |
| lardman|home | I thought someone said it had that | 16:50 |
| * lardman|home looks at the test report | 16:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: echo "talk.maemo.org 0.0.0.0" >>/etc/hosts | 16:51 |
| lardman|home | GPRS850, WCDMA850 WCDMA1700/2100 2-slot GPRS1900 WLAN2450 | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | done, next | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wcdma | 16:52 |
| lardman|home | not the same? | 16:52 |
| * lardman|home doesn't know | 16:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer | WCDMA == 3G, while CDMA == this weird US thing for cellphones, that's != GSM | 16:52 |
| lardman|home | oh I see, my mistake, I thought it was going to support strange Americans | 16:53 |
| lardman|home | ;) | 16:53 |
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| lardman|home | the difference a little W makes :) | 16:53 |
| lardman|home | right, back to work, bbiabn | 16:54 |
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| cehteh | huh? | 16:57 |
| cehteh | you mean you can shove a aspirin in the ass of a stallion to run faster? | 16:59 |
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| dashavoo | cehteh: no, that is ass-sprint, not aspirin | 17:04 |
| dangergrrl | they have cdma in india too | 17:04 |
| dangergrrl | though i hate to think the us is as backwards as india | 17:05 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: btw aspirin is a very good/aggressive flux when soldering ... ever tried to solder a oxidized copper cent? .. works without further cleaning with a bit aspirin | 17:05 |
| Lantizia | Any ideas which git wrote this??? http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories#Custom_back_covers_to_replace_the_original | 17:05 |
| Lantizia | no links or anything - I'm dying or an alternate kickstand (like the n810's) | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=N900_Accessories&action=history | 17:10 |
| Lantizia | been scanning through that - but there is a lot of history | 17:10 |
| dashavoo | Hmm... how difficult is it to replace the digitiser? | 17:11 |
| dangergrrl | this doc does say gsm later | 17:11 |
| lardman | re | 17:12 |
| dangergrrl | gsm850/1900 | 17:12 |
| lardman | dangergrrl: they also have gsm in India | 17:13 |
| Macer | word | 17:13 |
| dangergrrl | and gsm900/1800 outside the usa | 17:13 |
| dangergrrl | yes, but a cdma only device could be intended for india | 17:14 |
| lardman | fair enough | 17:14 |
| dangergrrl | it is a poor country but a LOT of people | 17:15 |
| lardman | hmm, quite exciting really, thought of some new cool hw :) | 17:15 |
| lardman | they are also mad drivers | 17:15 |
| Lantizia | Does an "ezcola" ever frequent here? I HAVE QUESTIONS :P HE VILL TTTTAAALK! | 17:16 |
| lardman | ~seen ezcola | 17:16 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'ezcola', lardman | 17:16 |
| lardman | thanks infobot | 17:16 |
| Lantizia | hmmmf... it seems it was him who put in the wiki that n810 style kickstands were available for the n900 - with nothing to back it up :( | 17:17 |
| Lantizia | i hate false hope | 17:17 |
| psycho_oreos | Lantizia, there isn't a kickstand that comes attached to N900 but there was this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43593 | 17:18 |
| Lantizia | psycho_oreos, seen it | 17:18 |
| psycho_oreos | Lantizia, suppose you didn't like it? :) | 17:19 |
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| Lantizia | meh - you'd have to carry it around with you... would rather have it built in | 17:19 |
| psycho_oreos | *nods* fair enough | 17:19 |
| Macer | how do you use this google albums downloader thing? | 17:21 |
| Macer | for the cover art | 17:22 |
| Macer | there is no doc anywhere | 17:22 |
| Macer | not even on google ironically enough | 17:22 |
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| dangergrrl | testing for phones is apparently called EMC also | 17:25 |
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| dangergrrl | same as for Class A computing devices | 17:25 |
| lardman | is Reggie employed by Nokia these days? | 17:25 |
| dangergrrl | we had an anechoic chamber at IBM and did our own FCC testing | 17:25 |
| lardman | just thinking that in the past we used to see some logs of browser user agent strings around the time of the release of new hw | 17:26 |
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| dangergrrl | my n900 is still under warantee and i'm poor i can't replace it until at least the warantee is up | 17:36 |
| dangergrrl | even if they had a new one with 1gb ram and dual core | 17:36 |
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| chem|st | is bada worth a try yet, how open is it? | 17:38 |
| lardman | it looked terrible when I downloaded an SDK for it by accident | 17:38 |
| lardman | :) | 17:38 |
| lardman | infobot: name the council | 17:39 |
| lardman | ~council | 17:40 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, council is The Maemo Community Council is a five-person body chosen by the Maemo community. The Council's mission is to "represent the Maemo community's best interests to Nokia, and to act as a community conduit for Nokia-generated information." http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | 17:40 |
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| lardman | achipa: are you about in your Council capability? | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm not exactly a karmawhore or too concerned about it at all (karma >300 is useless anyway) BUT: WTF is my karma *dropping* by one or two points every now and then? o.O | 18:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | blog posts being downvoted? | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | People removing thanks? | 19:01 |
| psycho_oreos | greed! | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | people removing thanks? wtf? | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got no blogposts | 19:07 |
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| psycho_oreos | bahahahaha I love my hacked attempt at comparing the previously installed packages (list being backed up by osso-backup) against the currently installed packages. It just seems as though HAM can only restore applications once. If user/owner tried to add/remove other packages or probably finishes restoring, they lose that list of packages that didn't get installed. | 19:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw Itt-thanks are SQRT()*foo, so to drop karma by one, quite a number of thanks would need to get removed | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Something that the karma calculator can't track anyumore? | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | can bugs be deleted? | 19:09 |
| dangergrrl | so iḿ not finding much in this SAR report | 19:09 |
| dangergrrl | it is a quad band GSM device with wifi, bluetooth, mobile hotspot, camera, and slide keyboard | 19:10 |
| psycho_oreos | maybe some really old thanked threads got moved into archive and probably karma are being reduced as a result | 19:10 |
| dangergrrl | lots of pretty pictures of how much rf it will put into your skull | 19:10 |
| SpeedEvil | dangergrrl: FMTX? | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that'd be funny if karma calculator would ignore closed bugs | 19:14 |
| dangergrrl | hmm | 19:14 |
| dangergrrl | will have to go back to the beginning | 19:14 |
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| dangergrrl | i'm 105 pages in and other than what bands it uses and that it has a slide and lens cover it doesn't provide much info | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: WUT? **MY** posts - even some that earned thanks - got moved to some obscure archive?? UNBEARABLE | 19:15 |
| dangergrrl | and nokia did the testing theirself which is not suprising | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 19:15 |
| dangergrrl | DocScrutinizer: i hacked the database and downvoted you! | 19:16 |
| * dangergrrl runs | 19:16 | |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I don't know :) I don't know how the site operates, its all black magic as far as I'm concerned ;D | 19:16 |
| SpeedEvil | dangergrrl: Done any googling of the numbers? | 19:16 |
| SpeedEvil | dangergrrl: numbers and ID strings in the report | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: cam cover??? o.O | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | not the device we have seen so many sketches and prorotype photos of | 19:17 |
| dangergrrl | hsupa is 4g? | 19:17 |
| psycho_oreos | doubt it | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah. 3.5 | 19:17 |
| dangergrrl | aha | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly what N900 does | 19:18 |
| dangergrrl | i thought it said it had a camera cover maybe that was boilerplate | 19:19 |
| psycho_oreos | isn't camera cover made of plastic? :þ | 19:19 |
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| dangergrrl | uhm | 19:20 |
| dangergrrl | this may be some entirely different device | 19:20 |
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| dangergrrl | i didn't notice any of the tests with slide open | 19:21 |
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| psycho_oreos | oh.. that stillborn :þ | 19:21 |
| timeless_xchat | help | 19:21 |
| dangergrrl | in the beginning it says devices with a slide must be tested with it open | 19:21 |
| psycho_oreos | help? | 19:21 |
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| timeless_xchat | how do i get *out* of meetup.com meetup groups? | 19:21 |
| dangergrrl | but why would all the tests say slide closed if there was no slide | 19:22 |
| dangergrrl | don't go? | 19:22 |
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| timeless_xchat | it spams me! | 19:23 |
| timeless_xchat | a lot! | 19:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | dangergrrl: may mean keyboard slide | 19:24 |
| psycho_oreos | timeless_xchat, under Account > Membership & Communication | 19:24 |
| psycho_oreos | you should be able to set it in a way that meetup.com won't spam you I think | 19:25 |
| timeless_xchat | i just tried that | 19:25 |
| timeless_xchat | is meetup worth it | 19:25 |
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| timeless_xchat | or should i ask to kill my account, and if so, how? | 19:25 |
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| dangergrrl | i dunno :) | 19:27 |
| psycho_oreos | heh I wouldn't know how to remove account, I know you can set it to leave group or not receive updates from a group, etc | 19:27 |
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| dangergrrl | this sar test report does not mention fm radio band testing | 19:27 |
| psycho_oreos | there's an unsubscribe completely from meetup.com thingy on that same page.. it probably won't remove your account but maybe in theory it might stop all that spamming | 19:28 |
| dangergrrl | presumably a device with an fm band transmitter would be subject to sar testing on that band but i don't know | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: btw the thanks are displayed on each post upper right, and never really dropped for me | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: maybe devels leaving my groups without me even noticing? | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | (not that there are that many ;-D ) | 19:29 |
| dangergrrl | https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=233837&fcc_id=%27LJPRM-680%27 | 19:31 |
| dangergrrl | the SAR report on that page on page 6 lists the bands it was tested on | 19:31 |
| dangergrrl | wireless n-mode but single band like so many other devices | 19:31 |
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| dangergrrl | i looked at like 105 pages and all the stuff that looked interesting was at the beginning | 19:33 |
| dangergrrl | linked from http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames | 19:34 |
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| timeless_xchat | ah, thanks for the hint about unsubscribe completely | 19:42 |
| timeless_xchat | grr | 19:43 |
| timeless_xchat | that requires me to know my password | 19:43 |
| dangergrrl | which also mentions that osso is 'open source software operations' | 19:43 |
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| psycho_oreos | hope that works :) | 19:43 |
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| khertan | https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=233837&fcc_id=%27LJPRX-71%27 <<< RX-71 same report ? | 19:51 |
| khertan | :) | 19:52 |
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| dangergrrl | rx-71 is an omap 3 device with possibly less keys according to the codenames page | 19:57 |
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| MohammadAG | yay timeless_xchat is still around | 20:00 |
| MohammadAG | dangergrrl, wasn't that thing from N8x0 times? | 20:00 |
| timeless_xchat | kinda, catching a plane out of SJC in ~2hrs | 20:01 |
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| dangergrrl | no idea | 20:03 |
| dangergrrl | the tmo thread is 2009 though | 20:04 |
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| MohammadAG | dangergrrl, I doubt that thing still exists, it's way too old of a rumor | 20:13 |
| Jaffa | RX-71 was coincident with N900, IIRC. RX-51 & RX-71. | 20:16 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, can I send revisions this afternoon (PDT)? | 20:19 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, nevermind. Sent now. | 20:22 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Sure | 20:23 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Ah, cool. | 20:23 |
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| dangergrrl | well, khertan linked the rx-71 report so i looked | 20:33 |
| dangergrrl | but that is indeed old | 20:33 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG hey | 20:42 |
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| MohammadAG | heya ZogG | 20:46 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG sup | 20:47 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, when you used iphone4 how did you sync music on linux? as all i try to install wants hal and i don't have it and it makes conflicts // do not want to recompile everything with hal as got rid of it long time ago | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, rythmbox should work fine | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | or Banshee | 20:49 |
| ZogG | banshee is no go | 20:50 |
| ZogG | when i use iphone flag it tries to get hal | 20:50 |
| ZogG | [blocks B ] sys-apps/hal ("sys-apps/hal" is blocking sys-power/upower-0.9.10) | 20:50 |
| ZogG | same as rhythmbox | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | what system is this? | 20:50 |
| ZogG | gentoo | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | cause no sane system uses hal | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | oh, no idea | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | hal is deprecated | 20:51 |
| ZogG | haha that's what you think | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | hal isn't there on all new systems | 20:51 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG yeah i know and i got rid of it a long time ago before bubuntu =) | 20:51 |
| ZogG | that's why it's problem for me | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | then recompile rythmbox | 20:52 |
| ZogG | sys-apps/hal required by (media-libs/libgpod-9999::local_overlay, ebuild scheduled for merge) | 20:52 |
| ZogG | oh | 20:53 |
| ZogG | i found the problem | 20:53 |
| ZogG | i use /libgpod-9999 that is oooold =) | 20:53 |
| ZogG | actually it's ironic but 0.8.0 is new one =) | 20:54 |
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| Itschue | docscrutinizer | 20:55 |
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| dangergrrl | aha | 21:08 |
| dangergrrl | was gonna say USE="-hal" might help | 21:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nice read (recommended, and yes, please point *me* at it as well, whenever due :-D ): http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml | 22:03 |
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| piggz_ | my latitude desktop widget seems more stable now (touch wood) ... hasnt crashed all day, anyone wanting to update their position, feel free to use it :) | 22:04 |
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| joga | meh..my latitude (dell d630) bugged out again during lecture...kernel says drm nouveau blabla cursor brokensomething and awful slowdowns all the time, I hope my desktop recording didn't get botched up because of that but I'm afraid it did | 22:14 |
| joga | still encoding | 22:14 |
| joga | I lost my cursor from the laptop screen but it showed up on the projector :) | 22:14 |
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| blizzow | I re-flashed my n900 but left the 32GB intact. The media player doesn't see any songs now. I've rebooted the phone and even seen the "please wait while media player searches for files" dialog. But nothing is showing up. Does anyone know what I can do to fix this? | 22:41 |
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| Itschue | hello i need help flashing my n900 few days ago it shutdown and dont start only the white nokia screnncomes up and then it shutdown. i flashed fiasco but didnt help. then i want to flash vanilla but the usb symbol goes away when i tried to flash and the flasher is waiting what can i do now? | 22:45 |
| kerio | blizzow: wait | 22:45 |
| kerio | or tracker-processes -k | 22:45 |
| kerio | (or something like that) | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | blizzow, it should show a timer | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | pleae help Itschue with flashing, and be gentle with his english. | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | if that doesn't work, check that /home/user is writable, and check it has space | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | Itschue, try flashing fiasco then vanilla without -R | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | I realize this isn't the "right" way, but it's flasher that's retarded | 22:48 |
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| Itschue | ok i flash fiasco wihout -r than vanilla and then ? | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | thne you should be done if all works well | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | Yep, just unplug the USB | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | I'm interested in what else MkII flashing mode can do, but meh | 22:50 |
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| Itschuee | i am back | 22:51 |
| Itschuee | disconnect | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> thne you should be done if all works well | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> Yep, just unplug the USB | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschue: prohint: pastebin your flasher cmdline and reply of flasher program | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we can tell by a single glance if all worked smooth | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~pastebin | 22:54 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. | 22:55 |
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| dangergrrl | the sdk doesn't support talking to Xephyr over tcp/ip | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | or use 'cat [filename] | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234 | 22:56 |
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| Itschuee | doc in german plz | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, there's pastebinit :p | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | kopiere deine commandozeile im terminal (die mit flasher-3.5 dideldumdidum...) und die antwort von flasher nach http://www.pastebin.com | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't work here MohammadAG | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | all pastebin services changed their API | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG | antwort = output? :P | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | got no new version | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | answer | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG | sure about that? | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# echo sometest | pastebinit | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/Mq4MC08X | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Itschuee: then give us the URL you got from http://www.pastebin.com | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's true on N900, but not for my PC | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG | Guessing translations is fun, "Copy the command into terminal (the ??? flasher-3.5 ???...) and the output from flasher on pastebin.com"? | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, copy the pastebinit from the N900 to your PC, it's python :p | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I know "cat | paste.dyndns.org 1234" by heart | 23:01 |
| Itschuee | http://pastebin.com/DH4wnjBp | 23:01 |
| Sicelo | this might be ot... but i have 90% linux knowledge i have was gleaned from this chan :) .. like this one just now 'cat [filename] | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234 | 23:01 |
| Sicelo | thanks DocScrutinizer | 23:01 |
| Itschuee | same error as befor want flash vanilla usb symbol goes away and flasher is waiting | 23:02 |
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| MohammadAG | Itschuee, says unknown paste ID | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschuee: ^^^ | 23:02 |
| Itschuee | mom | 23:02 |
| Sicelo | /s/but i have/but/ | 23:03 |
| Itschuee | http://pastebin.com/DH4wnjBb | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | empty? | 23:05 |
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| Itschuee | and why shows my laptop it? | 23:07 |
| dangergrrl | wgetpaste doesn't work anymore? | 23:07 |
| Itschuee | i can dowbnload it | 23:08 |
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| Itschuee | i can it only see on my laptop on my desktop not why? | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | you haven't sent it yet? | 23:10 |
| Itschuee | i configured public etc and klick on submit | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | "submit" | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, so it should give you a new URL | 23:12 |
| Itschuee | no i tri it from my desktop | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG | looks empty to me too | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | either submit failed, or he missed the new URL, or he set even "private" | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://pastebin.com/2nhmR4fc | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | click on "CREATE NEW PASTE" | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | edit, click "SUBMIT" | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | post NEW url here | 23:16 |
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| * DocScrutinizer is definitely gone now o/ | 23:16 | |
| Itschuee | i set public | 23:16 |
| Itschuee | the txt from linux to windows didnt work | 23:16 |
| Itschuee | http://pastebin.com/b9gLZi7B | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschuee: in your terminal highlight all the relevant text with left mousbutton | 23:17 |
| Itschuee | and prees ctrl+c | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | or just that :-) | 23:18 |
| Itschuee | ct..? | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ctrl-c doesn't work for copy in terminal | 23:18 |
| Itschuee | then it was the mouse | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway you found your way | 23:18 |
| Sicelo | lol.. knoppix too, like me :) | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's here now, and I'm gone now | 23:19 |
| Itschuee | i had my way but i dondt why it isnt visible to you | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | it is now | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 23:19 |
| Itschuee | pastebin is it? | 23:20 |
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| Itschuee | oh jyes there is it fine | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, private means no one sees it in pastebin logs, but anyone can see it with a link | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | CTRL+C doesn't copy, it sends a terminate signal | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | one *last* note (I'll never get away from here...): seems this is the known linux distro related problem | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: modprobe crap | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2204 | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOLO version 1.4.14 | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Booting device into flash mode. | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | modprobe -r phonet etc pp | 23:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also : http://www.absolutelytech.com/2010/04/18/solved-unable-to-enumerate-usb-device-disabling-ehci_hcd/ | 23:23 |
| Itschuee | soll ich irgendwas mit modprobe machen? | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm GONE now, somebody might help Itschuee with this | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also don't forget 'U' | 23:25 |
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| Itschuee | what for a U ? | 23:26 |
| Itschuee | so i diasbled ehci now flash vanilla or fiasko first? | 23:30 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, even though you have gone, I tried to take a photo of liqbase on my ideapad http://liqbase.net/2011-05-24-231851.jpg | 23:31 |
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| trumee | seems like Phonet module is broken in kernel power v47 | 23:33 |
| trumee | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1017020&postcount=649 | 23:33 |
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| trumee | Its a pity i will have downgrade to v46. | 23:34 |
| trumee | Phonet unknown PEP type :1 | 23:34 |
| trumee | is what i get if i start sharing wifi of my N900 with laptop | 23:35 |
| Itschuee | where can i vind v46? | 23:35 |
| Itschuee | mohammanAG same error as befor and now? | 23:36 |
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| Sicelo | while you wait for help, Itschuee, is your battery charged? | 23:46 |
| Sicelo | from wiki, If the USB logo does not appear, and the device turns off - ensure the battery is charged by connecting to the wall charger for an hour and try again | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Itschuee: make sure your battery isn't too low - try *)boot your PC *)start flasher command for VANILLA *)plug in N900 with battery removed *)insert battery to N900 (while holding 'u' key on N900) - flashing of VANILLA img should start instantly | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | read the wiki page completely, incl troubleshooting section | 23:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer is gone again | 23:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 23:49 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (do NOT attach N900 to frashly booted PC until flasher cmd is started!) | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | freshly* | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | after that do same procedure for COMBINED | 23:52 |
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