IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-04-12

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CorsacMohammadAG: hmhm, is there already a package for your media player?00:16
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MohammadAGno, not on the interwebz at least00:16
MohammadAGI'll make an alpha/pre-alpha release tomorrow00:16
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technomikeHey guys, I am in trouble. Have not used my N900 for a while now due to the USB port coming out of it. Now that I have a desktop charger for it, I want to get all the data off it then send it off to Nokia for warranty repair. Problem is, I haven't used it in a while and I have forgotten the LOCK code...00:17
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alteregounlucky :P00:18
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technomikeis there really no way of getting into it now? or just accessing the memory at least?00:19
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alteregoNot without a USB port no00:20
MohammadAGunless you already have u-boot/backupmenu/some preinit script00:20
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technomike:'( oh no00:21
alteregoI'd just keep guessing :P00:21
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MohammadAGI like how when you do that it disables all push buttons00:23
MohammadAGlike it locks you out, but they're enabled in 3s00:23
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DocScrutinizeractually it cycles thru 3 timeouts, see mce.ini00:47
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trxwhere can i depromote a package?01:03
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trxalso, is there a way to replace a package in extras-devel?01:04
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DocScrutinizerI think neither is possible01:14
trxwell that sucks :/01:16
MohammadAGdepromote?01:19
MohammadAGreplace?01:19
MohammadAGyou can upload a package to replace another one01:19
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trxoh, ok thats cool01:20
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trxabout depromoting, i have accidentaly (?!) promoted a package to testing01:21
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trxwhich i didn't want to do :)01:21
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MohammadAGthumb it down01:23
SpeedEvilhttp://fatpita.net/?i=10017 angry bird is angry01:25
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trxMohammadAG thanks01:26
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MohammadAGyw :)01:27
MohammadAGtrx, alternatively, ask X-Fade to remove it01:27
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trxno need to take his time, its not a big deal..01:29
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pupnik1ghz omap3640 is pretty nice01:48
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DocScrutinizerterror in belarus. President announces harder security measures - i.e. police may do even more whatever they want. Qui bono? Is it just me who thinks this president is fishy?02:00
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MohammadAGI said I was gonna sleep but...02:18
MohammadAGwhat's a service battery?02:18
MohammadAGor a test battery02:18
MohammadAG(from /sbin/getbootstate)02:18
pupniki don't see that info from getbootstate02:20
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RiDHi :)03:18
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RiDHey, does anyone has an unmodified /etc/asound.conf ?03:37
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pupnikRiD: um... i think so..03:44
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pupnikhttp://pastebin.ca/204528003:45
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RiDcould you upload it? I think mine's completely messed up03:47
SpeedEvilMine looks like pupniks03:47
RiDoh didnt saw the link03:48
RiDHmmm, it seems the problem is somewhere else03:50
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SpeedEvilBlame Pulseaudio.03:53
RiDI guess the most reliable solution is to flash my device :/ Thanks for the help, anyways.03:53
SpeedEvil~flashing03:53
infoboti heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware03:53
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RiDmaybe a hammer works on it, or it just makes it worse.03:56
SpeedEvilRiD: What dioes it do/03:56
RiDSpeedEvil: probably just splits the phone into smaller parts03:57
RiDwell, ill flash it tomorrow. Its somewhat late here (2am) so I'm going to sleep. See ya later04:02
SpeedEvilnight.04:03
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piggzlo, according to the following page, from qtcreator i should bw able to upload packages to extra-devel for n900, or ovi store, but i cant find any such options? http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator-snapshot/creator-publishing-to-maemo-extras.html10:17
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MohammadAGachipa, can you update the python2.5-qt4 package so it depends on >= 4.7.0 and not = 4.7.0 ?12:14
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MohammadAGI'm guessing that was one of the packages that depends on bugs? :P12:14
achipaMohammadAG: exactly... :) I'll see what I can do - that package needs serious updates anyway12:15
MohammadAGachipa, thanks, it's preventing CSSU updates :)12:17
achipauh-oh. The thing is I'm considering a major break there. As HAM is pretty boneheaded wrt to partial updates, I'll probably make one giant python2.5-qt4 package and lose the modular setup12:18
achipaI know it's a few extra megs, but better a few extra megs than breakage, right ?12:19
MohammadAGachipa, just depend on >= and it should be fine12:19
MohammadAGachipa, also, shouldn't this be fixed somehow? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/python2.5-qt4-core/4.7.5-maemo2/12:20
MohammadAGit says missing packages, so developers can't promote to extras12:20
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achipaMohammadAG: but that's already in extras, what do dependent packcages care...12:21
achipaMohammadAG: but yes, the web interface is kooky12:21
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you found an answer to your testbattery?12:22
eichihello ;) is there an application for creating an timetable for university? or besser use a oocalc table creating a pdf?12:23
eichibesser = better12:23
MohammadAGachipa, yeah, it's an interface bug (cc X-Fade)12:23
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, nope, I only know about the service battery for the PSP :P12:23
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MohammadAGalso, is this the right way to support AVRCP? http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/commit/27da7d88fcdec9947e7c2fc56ebc52864ff19cfc12:26
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I have two possible explanations: 1) the testpads are under the battery, so there may be "batteries" that have contact pins for the testpoints. 2) a special battery with a certain resitor value on BSI, to switch device to R&D or a similar mode12:26
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DocScrutinizersome § in service manuals suggest it's 2)12:28
MohammadAGI'm pretty sure it's the latter, but I'm guessing no one knows about it?12:28
DocScrutinizerat least not me (which implies nobody I know)12:29
alteregoWell,  they use rigs for connecting to those.12:29
alteregoNot batteries12:29
DibblahBTW, has anyone live flashed from an alternate OS running on the SD card?12:29
DocScrutinizeralterego: that's known12:30
alterego:)12:30
DibblahI did - It worked OK, but Meego is... Less than stellar for a choice of "hacking platform".12:30
Dibblah(Not using the PC version of flasher because my USB port is busted)12:31
DocScrutinizerDibblah: live flashed?12:31
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DibblahAs in flashed the NAND from an OS running on the device.12:31
DocScrutinizerWTF? you flashed NAND rootfs from uSD OS?12:32
DibblahYes.12:32
DocScrutinizerumm, which tools did you use?12:32
DocScrutinizerplease don't say dd12:32
Dibblahflash_erase, nandwrite, ISTR.12:32
DocScrutinizerOK :-D12:32
DocScrutinizercool12:32
meceDibblah, pretty cool!12:32
DibblahThe real problem was getting root on Meego. Ugh.12:33
MohammadAGit's easy!12:33
MohammadAGsu root12:33
MohammadAGpass is meego12:33
DocScrutinizerlol12:33
DibblahSo the requirements are that the system must be live enough to be able to install the combined uboot/kernel in the kernel partition.12:34
MohammadAG(tbh, I guessed that two months ago and it turned out to be right...)12:34
DibblahI tried that I thought. Ended up hacking the shadow file offline :)12:34
DocScrutinizerhehe12:34
DocScrutinizerbtw meego using shadow? wow!12:35
MohammadAGwhat's shadow?12:35
DocScrutinizeraah well, they plan for tablets and laptops etc as well12:35
robbiethe1stShadow password?12:36
DocScrutinizer/etc/shadow12:36
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DibblahSo then use flasher to extract the "rootfs.jffs2" image, copy the nandwrite + flash_erase binaries, nandwrite the image, swear as it doesn't boot, boot back up into alternate, flash_erase, then nandwrite the image again.12:36
RST38hMohammad: Some really weird portrait mode flips in this CSSU12:36
robbiethe1stIn Maemo, it's like /etc/passwd- that has the real passwords(encrypted, of course)12:36
DibblahHowever, my cameras are still busted :( :(12:36
DibblahOdd group of symptoms - It doesn't seem to recognise VBUS, both cameras don't work,...12:37
RST38hMohammad: The status area menu absolutely INSISTS on coming up in portrait mode =(12:37
MohammadAGRST38h, not for me, at least if the device isn't in portrait itself12:37
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MohammadAGdid you reboot or just hardcore apt-get upgrade & killall? :P12:37
DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: maemo has no /etc/shadow afaik12:38
DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: considered useless overhead12:38
RST38hMohammad: Used HAM to update, it rebooted after updating12:38
robbiethe1stDocScrutinizer: No, but it does have a "/etc/passwd-" file12:38
robbiethe1stThe /etc/passwd file doesn't have the hashes in it, IIRC12:38
DocScrutinizerit has12:39
DocScrutinizererr12:40
robbiethe1stHuh, just checked. I guess it does. So what's the /etc/passwd- file for?12:40
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DibblahI assume no-one knows any fault that would take out both cameras?12:41
meceand now for something completely different: 8-bit color cycling animations http://www.effectgames.com/demos/canvascycle/12:41
DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: edit backup?12:42
DocScrutinizerrobbiethe1st: update backup?12:42
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DocScrutinizerDibblah: both cams share one interface, and same processes to deal with it12:43
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DocScrutinizerDibblah: v4l212:43
DocScrutinizeriirc12:43
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DocScrutinizerDibblah: i.e. devices video0 and video1 are mutually exclusive, by hw design. So if one gets fsckdup by a broken process, the other one will be unavailable too12:45
pupnikfirefox cannot block particular images but only entire HOSTS?? (edit->preferences->content->load_images_automatically:Exceptions)12:46
pupnikmost useless feature implementation ever?12:46
DocScrutinizerhaha12:46
RST38hpupnik: Use adblock+?12:46
DocScrutinizeryeah12:47
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mecegrr postinst script keep breaking on me. Is there a way to get some proper error output from apt?12:48
mece"returned error exit: status 1" doesn't exactly help12:48
DibblahHmm. Okay, so it's possible that a hardware fault on one camera would lock the bus which both cameras are on?12:49
JaffaX-Fade: Apparently "promoting applications which depend on the in-device [Qt] libs" is broken?12:50
MohammadAGonly python2.5-qt4 ones12:51
MohammadAGfapman has no problems obviously12:52
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DocScrutinizerDibblah: possible but unlikely12:54
pupnikadblock plus doesn't give me a context sensitive right click to block images12:55
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DocScrutinizerDibblah: first check fuser/lsof12:57
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DocScrutinizerDibblah: check dmesg12:57
pupnikahh now it shows it12:58
DibblahNothing has /dev/video* open.12:58
pupnikonly for some pages12:58
DocScrutinizerDibblah: check for the right matching kernel drivers12:58
DocScrutinizerDibblah: things like fcam and blessn900 are known to break a new kernel with their "old" alternative cam kernel drivers12:59
DibblahHmm. That's interesting. With a _virgin_ image, I see unknown symbols for isp_mod on boot.13:00
DocScrutinizerusually force-reinstalling fcam fixes this issue13:00
Dibblahiommu_get / iommu_kmap, da_to_va, etc.13:01
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DibblahOddly, the module _is_ loaded.13:02
DocScrutinizerI suspect your modules don't match the kernel13:02
DibblahI don't see how - As I said, it was a virgin image.13:03
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DocScrutinizerthe kernel lives on a separate NAND partition13:03
DibblahYes, the kernel does - But the modules seem to be in the main FS...?13:04
DocScrutinizeryes13:04
DibblahIs there any way to mount the FS in the kernel partition?13:04
DibblahOr is it a raw kernel image?13:04
DocScrutinizerthere's no fs on kernel partition afaik13:04
DocScrutinizerraw13:04
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pupnikadblock won't block all images, just those with http links?13:06
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mecehmmhmm13:10
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DibblahOkay - So reinstalling kernel-flasher doesn't flash the default kernel. What does? :)13:11
mececould the -e flag cause errors in postinst scripts?13:11
mecechange it to -x and it didn't fail. Hmpf13:11
Dibblahapt-get install --reinstall kernel-flasher does nothing.13:11
timeless_w7ipwhy would you expect reinstalling a tool to trigger the tool?13:13
Dibblah... Because that's what all of the docs say to do to reinstall the original kernel...?13:14
ruskieDibblah, install the original kernel... then install the flasher13:15
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Dibblahruskie: I have no idea how to do that :(13:15
ruskieapt-get install --reinstall kernel-whatever13:16
ruskieapt-cache search kernel13:16
ruskiemight be helpful13:16
pupnikthere's no *f*k*n* way to simply add a right click "block annoying image" in firefox13:17
DibblahAha. Right, I'm an idiot. Thanks, ruskie :)13:17
ruskiepupnik, adblock ?13:18
pupnikadblock only does it on hyperlinks13:18
ruskieerm...13:18
ruskieI recall it allowed it on everything13:18
ruskieflash objects, banners13:19
ruskieetc...13:19
pupnikrecall?13:19
pupniktry it on a regular http page with a regular image13:19
ruskieno clue13:20
ruskiehaven't used adblock in ages13:20
ruskiemy brain filtering is already so advanced that I don't even notice billboard ads etc...13:20
pupnik><div style="overflow: auto; width: 100%;"><img src="http:/...."13:20
pupniksome people make it their life's purpose to put the most annoying images on their forum posts13:21
ruskieactually some forums are simply broken13:21
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pupnikfirefox is missing an important feature13:24
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DocScrutinizeras I failed in cyrillic/Russian...:13:30
DocScrutinizercheers, Juri!13:30
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timeless_w7ipwhat feature?13:32
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timeless_w7ippupnik: how do you define an image?13:33
timeless_w7ipis it an image with a given md5sum?13:33
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timeless_w7ipis it an image with a given set of dimensions?13:33
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crashanddietimeless_w7ip, probably more likely to be something that fits in the html IMG tag.13:33
timeless_w7ipis it an imagine which is hosted at an absolute path with a given cookie request?13:33
timeless_w7ipis it an image which appears at a precise location in a dom tree?13:33
timeless_w7ipis it an imagine which is in fact inserted via css?13:34
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timeless_w7ipblocking images is hard because web pages and the web in general are dynamic13:34
timeless_w7ipperhaps you want to block all images with more than x% flesh tones? :)13:34
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crashanddieIs it an ass? Is it a plane? No, it's super pedant, timeless!13:35
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pupnik<img src=""/>13:35
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pupnikbut thanks for the education13:36
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ArkanoiD-oh shi~~~.. application manager says i should update community SSU via cable13:39
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timeless_w7iparkanoid: that means you have a conflict or space issues13:39
timeless_w7ipthere's a page that explains..13:39
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timeless_w7ipor you could install my localization and then the  error message would include the link to the page :)13:40
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nilspinis anybody there14:15
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ruskienobody here but us echos14:15
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MohammadAGZogG, any ideas where you could get a Nexus S in IL?14:17
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compengihello, how can i install this package http://maemo.org/packages/view/account-plugin-butterfly/ on the phone? the wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/MSN_messenger says it should be in networking section of the application manager but i only see msn-pecan and pidgin14:21
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ruskiecompengi, maybe missing a repo?14:23
compengiruskie, probably. how do i edit repo list?14:25
compengiand where can i find it14:25
ruskieopen the application manager menu...14:25
ruskieshould be something there14:25
compengiprogram catalog?14:26
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ruskieyup14:27
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compengiruskie, well.. i do have http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ in the list14:31
ruskiethere is also extras-testing and extras-devel14:32
compengiah14:32
ruskieand that page you were clearly states where the package lives14:32
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arcolhi15:25
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ZogGMohammadAG shop?15:28
ZogGMohammadAG there are shops selling it you know15:28
ZogGwhy would you like it?15:28
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compengiruskie, thanks :)15:33
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ZogGMohammadAG, anyway i hope you know zap.co.il for anything you want to find in israel =)15:52
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ZogGDocScrutinizer, ping german guy15:56
DocScrutinizereh?15:57
DocScrutinizerZogG: what's up, earthling?15:58
ZogGDocScrutinizer =)16:00
ZogGwho is the guys behing repos? ole' mate ruskie is trying to get approval for xmms2 package for extras and maybe there is a way to get thing faster16:01
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ZogGyou know RST38h can laid with people if it's needed16:02
DocScrutinizerZogG: approval for extras is an automatic process afaik. Get 10 votes and you're in16:03
ZogGDocScrutinizer oh, and if it's new package noone knows of it, how do i get 10 votes?16:03
DocScrutinizerumm, bribe, beg, blog, wait, cry...16:04
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SpeedEvilI do not see xmms2 in the package list16:05
SpeedEvilhttp://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=xmms&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same16:05
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ZogGruskie, what did it say when you tried to upload? you got some msg about voting?16:10
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alteregowoot, Columbus now has track log loading :)16:17
alteregov1 beta real close now16:18
SpeedEvil:)16:19
alteregoI need to add gap detection though16:19
alteregoI just loaded a track log and it draws a straight line from previous position to where you are now (18 miles away) :D16:20
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DocScrutinizeralterego: hey, so do all the other GPS apps :-P16:27
alteregoHeh16:27
alteregoWell, mine doesn't anymore :P16:27
DocScrutinizer\o/16:27
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threshgrr, i've upgraded my phone with apt-get install mp-fremante-community-pr, and now black screen instead of hildon :)16:35
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threshI can answer the calls though..16:35
threshguess I have to reflash16:35
alteregoYou should never upgrade with apt-get ..16:35
threshiKnow :D16:35
alteregoNow I need to also make previous track data render in a different colour.16:35
alteregoWell, slightly faded I think.16:35
alteregoBut first, I've got some MeeGo work to do.16:36
Veggenaltereho: imo, that's a serious design flaw. that you can't upgrade with apt-get.16:36
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alteregoVeggen: I wouldn't say design flaw ..16:36
Veggenwell, ok.16:36
alteregoI'd say omission maybe16:36
Veggen.916:36
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alteregoI doubt it was ever in the functional requirements16:37
alteregoYou're best bet is to not think of maemo as debian based and as just using dpkg, which is what it is really :P16:37
alteregoIt is a shame none-the-less16:37
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threshhmm, how do I actually install that new SSU upgrade if I don't have PC suite or windows16:40
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SpeedEvilSSU upgrade is over-the-air16:40
KhertanHello16:40
SpeedEvil~flashing16:40
infobotsomebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware16:40
threshSpeedEvil: HAM said I have to use PC suite.16:41
threshthat's why I tried apt-get in the first place16:41
SpeedEvilHAM lies.16:41
threshiKnow. Fapman wouldnt?16:41
KhertanMohammadAG: can i disturb you ? Does there is a changelog of the Qt 4.7.2 integrated in cssu 14 ?16:41
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threshoh well, reboot helped. It "forgot" all the settings it seems though.16:46
threshasked me to reenter the time.16:46
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KhertanHAM have pretty strange things since cssu 1416:52
Khertandoes there is change in this app ?16:52
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KhertanXB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description: Formatted like "Description".   Will be displayed if user upgrades to new version and clicks  on "Details". <<< seems displayed now as the description of the app16:53
crashanddieStop! Hammertime: http://media.fukung.net/images/35895/097aa77bf1e5a2eb3ace895adfe9d6d8.gif16:55
ZogGlol16:56
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MohammadAGKhertan, upstream commits17:08
ZogGMohammadAG17:09
MohammadAGhttp://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/17:09
MohammadAGCTRL+F v4.7.0-fremantle-pr1.3: Created tag v4.7.0-fremantle-pr1.317:09
ZogG?17:10
MohammadAGwasn't at you17:10
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ZogGMohammadAG have you checked zap?17:12
MohammadAGnope17:13
MohammadAGI hate that site :p17:13
ZogGthey have nexus 2 there17:14
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MohammadAGNexus 2? lol17:16
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MohammadAGZogG, no local stores that sell it then?17:19
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ZogGMohammadAG, they do if it has17:20
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MohammadAGwow, 250017:21
ZogGMohammadAG, http://www.zap.co.il/model.aspx?modelid=78343717:21
MohammadAGholy shit the atrix is 350017:21
ZogGyou want one?17:21
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ZogGcheeper than iphone4 in orange =)17:22
ZogGthey are idiots17:22
MohammadAGlol the iPhone 4 is like 700017:22
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MohammadAGit's not for me17:22
ZogGover900017:22
MohammadAGtime to move on from the N8/Symbian^317:22
ZogGMohammadAG, when you go to jordan? =)17:23
ZogGyou stick with n900?17:23
MohammadAGprobably not soon :P17:23
MohammadAGyeah, it's fun17:23
MohammadAGI mean, I've used the iPhone 4 for a long time17:23
ZogGi have new iphone4 btw17:23
ZogGtrying to sell it17:23
MohammadAGapps are fun and all, but meh, it's boring17:23
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ZogGtap tap revenge is the best17:24
MohammadAGlol17:24
crashanddieiTunes remote and airport control is awesome17:24
ZogGi hate itunes17:25
MohammadAGcrashanddie, fancy names, what's airport control?17:25
crashanddieAirport Express17:25
MohammadAGcan I fly a plane with it?17:25
ZogGairportbombing + ?=)17:25
crashanddieIt's a router with audio out and USB port17:25
MohammadAGisn't that like a PSP and a PS3?17:25
crashanddieallows you to stream music to any stereo in the house17:25
MohammadAGor VLC and vlc-remote?17:25
crashanddieNot really17:25
crashanddieThis syncs the sound to be exactly at the same time17:26
crashanddieSo I've got the laptop in the study, stereo in room and main stereo in living room17:26
MohammadAGyou mean it delays the host so it syncs with the client?17:26
crashanddieall are playing the same music, which I control from my pocket/iPod17:26
MohammadAGof course, the user doesn't have to notice that17:26
crashanddieAnd there is no echo effect, because all play at the exact same time17:26
crashanddieSo you can walk from room to room, and not hear any skipping or so17:26
crashanddiePretty cool17:27
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crashanddieit's the size of a Apple power brick, minus the cables, so very portable17:27
crashanddieI've used it all over the world in hotel rooms, that way I plug it into the ethernet, and have my own personal wifi hotspot17:27
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MohammadAGsounds cool17:28
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crashanddieit's about 90euros17:28
crashanddieThe key has been cracked recently17:28
MohammadAGbut it needs iTunes, an airport, and an iPod :P17:28
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MohammadAGfirst one doesn't mix well with Linux17:28
crashanddieWell, it doesn't need the iPod, that's just to control your music from your couch17:28
crashanddieThere are C implementations that allow you to stream from Linux to the airport17:28
MohammadAGbut it needs the airport17:29
crashanddieThere is airfoil on Mac/Windows that allow you to stream any sound on the computer to the airport17:29
MohammadAGnever seen an airport tbh17:29
crashanddiehttp://www.apple.com/airportexpress/17:29
MohammadAGhmm, I wonder if it's at the local office depot...17:29
MohammadAGno, I meant I never saw one irl17:29
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crashanddiehttp://farm1.static.flickr.com/76/164980809_6c54bc2e70.jpg17:30
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Khertanre17:33
pupnikmoo17:34
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Khertan:)17:34
MohammadAGcrashanddie, lol, isn't that ben gurion? :P17:35
crashanddieyeah17:35
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KhertanMohammadAG: yep indeed ... upstream patch only ... so i should found something about my bug in the git17:35
crashanddie"IRL Airport"17:35
MohammadAGgood ol' times, was going to germany17:36
KhertanQt by Nokia              pushed 1898 commits  <<<< oh nice ... will be easy to track17:36
KhertanThis Git object is too large to be displayed in the browser17:36
Khertanyeah !17:36
DocScrutinizerKhertan: XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description always been used in HAM, just nobody used it in their packages :-(17:37
Khertanso it s that :)17:37
MohammadAGKhertan, you sure it's 1898?17:38
Khertanas i found pretty strange to found my upgrade description in the list17:38
MohammadAGI'm pretty sure I saw more than that17:38
MohammadAGsomething like 3xxx17:38
KhertanMohammadAG: the 02/03/11 at 13h32 : 189817:38
Venemohi guys17:39
VenemoDocScrutinizer, I use it in my packages17:39
DocScrutinizerheh, me too17:40
KhertanMohammadAG: hum ... so this mean i should found a work arround now for hilighting the current line in a QTextEdit while i can remove my work arround for ensureVisible :)17:41
MohammadAGKhertan, you missed a part17:41
MohammadAGt by Nokia pushed 3667 commits to +qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo:4.7-fremantle17:41
MohammadAGQString(lastMessage).prepend("Q")17:42
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Khertan:)17:42
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KhertanThis Git object is too large to be displayed in the browser17:43
Khertanok ... gitorious isn't really usefull for such large project17:43
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DocScrutinizer(XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description) actually I think I verified HAM shows the text under this key only when actually updating a package, but not on initial installation17:45
Khertanfatal: early EOF17:46
Khertanfatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly17:46
Khertanfatal: index-pack failed17:46
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Khertanmouaha17:46
KhertanDocScrutinizer thx for the information17:46
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KhertanDocScrutinizer: Khweeteur-experimental package use it :)17:46
DocScrutinizeras it shows XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description alternatively to the original description, I tend to add the original description PLUS changelog under XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description17:47
Khertanthis is probably what i ll do too17:47
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DocScrutinizerbut honestly, some packages have more severe issues with their description - I *HATE* this scheme: "name: foobar-frobbler -- description: port of foobar-frobbler. Frobbles your foobar"17:50
MohammadAGversion 0.2, now with extra frobbling power17:50
DocScrutinizeryeah \o/17:51
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VenemoDocScrutinizer, haha17:53
DocScrutinizerall devels doing that should get punished by forcing them to learn tokyo phonebook by heart, and then get examined for a week and get an electroshock for each query they don't know17:53
VenemoDocScrutinizer, then you wouldn't like my XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description :P17:53
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DocScrutinizerVenemo: update description is a bit flawed as it doesn't show original description as well17:54
MohammadAGis a "Window" an XID?17:54
VenemoDocScrutinizer, "Install this upgrade to get your hands on the new features of Puzzle Master!"17:54
MohammadAG~seen javispedro17:54
infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 17d 17h 26m 5s ago, saying: 'resembles Segoe. Serves them well....'.17:55
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DocScrutinizerweird17:57
DocScrutinizerholiday?17:58
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Khertanpfffff can't clone qt-maemo git repository18:35
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MohammadAGwhy?18:38
MohammadAGI need to learn how to use QThread18:40
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xd13what r the big changes in the update i just got because i don't c any18:53
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crashanddiexd13, apparently, it broke your ability to spell18:57
xd13haha18:57
xd13why does me shortcutting everything aggravate you so ?18:58
crashanddiebecause there is no need to?18:58
MohammadAGit's nt jst u18:58
MohammadAGryt crashanddie?18:58
crashanddieaye18:59
MohammadAGaww, I expected a kick18:59
xd13but anyway, anyone notice any huge changes in the update, I think my transitions got a little smoother but new features wise I don't see anythign19:00
kwtmHi.  Anyone know where the config files for my N900 email accounts are stored?  I backed up everything in ~/ but on restoring I lost my email configuration.  Would like to prevent that from happening again.19:00
crashanddiewhat update?19:00
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xd13ssu19:00
xd1314.119:00
crashanddieblame MohammadAG19:00
timeless_mbpkwtm: you should use 'backup'19:01
MohammadAGno, blame users not reading wikis :P19:01
timeless_mbpthe general answer is that settings are in gconf (/var/lib/gconf)19:01
crashanddieno, MohammadAG, I blame you for the SSU, 14.119:01
MohammadAGhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog19:01
MohammadAGwhat about it?19:01
piggzMohammadAG: great work on cssu19:02
kwtmtimeless_mbp: I think that's debatable, since backup has failed me before (the backed up file was not visible somehow) but also backup does not do rsync to my home server.  Will check out gconf.  Thx19:02
MohammadAG14.1 was a hotfix for 1419:02
timeless_mbpkwtm: err19:02
piggzis there a way of getting qml apps from -devel...atm, it seems they are automatically blocked, i guess becuase libqtm-11 is only  in -devel....will this change?19:03
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timeless_mbpbackups go into ~/MyDocs/Backups/....19:06
timeless_mbpif you aren't crossing file systems when you make your rsync, then you'll lose *all* of your personal data19:06
timeless_mbpwhich would be rather stupid19:06
timeless_mbpbut you're certainly free to do that...19:06
kwtmtimeless_mbp: It *would* be rather stupid.  I'm so glad I cross file systems!19:06
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timeless_mbpthen i don't see how backup would fail you19:07
timeless_mbpand i respectfully request that you file a bug19:07
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timeless_mbpbecause it's important to indicate when backup isn't working...19:07
kwtmtimeless_mbp: However --and I've had this happen before-- I made a few backups --let's say, 4 of them.  On reflashing, when I try to restore using the backup app, it lets me select from 3 of the backups I made --the most recent isn't visible.19:07
timeless_mbpso... backup can create backups to ~/MyDocs or your uSD card19:08
kwtmtimeless_mbp: Of course, I have no screenshot of this since it's just a fresh system that I restored from.  Somehow when I do something else (I install some applications manually, re-set-up my configs, etc.) then later all 4 backups are visible.19:08
timeless_mbpif you create a backup on the uSD card and then remove the uSD card, your backup won't be listed :)19:08
kwtmtimeless_mbp: I'm not sure exactly what makes the backups visible again.19:08
timeless_mbpMyDocs is fat19:09
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kwtmtimeless_mbp: I'm going to assume for the moment that I'm not *that* stupid, and I invite you to do the same.  For example, why would 3 of the backups be visible when all 4 are stored in the same place?19:09
timeless_mbpand we don't do screwy things to file system attributes19:09
timeless_mbpthere are 2 potential storage locations19:09
timeless_mbpinternal mmc, and removable sd19:09
timeless_mbpif you didn't have a removable sd when you made your first 3 backups, they'd all go to the internal mmc19:10
timeless_mbphowever, if you later insert a removable sd19:10
kwtmtimeless_mbp: I mentioned this in this channel and was basically told that that couldn't possibly be, since so much work had been put into the backup program, and thus it was a noob error.  So I'm not really inclined to file a bug, thank you.19:10
timeless_mbpit's possible that your next backup would be placed there instead19:10
timeless_mbpand if you remove it19:10
timeless_mbpthen it wouldn't be listed ...19:10
timeless_mbpthis is a supported behavior19:11
timeless_mbpand is useful, for e.g. transfering your data before sending your n900 in for servicing...19:11
kwtmtimeless_mbp: I know about removable uSD, thanks.  The fact is, not only do I know that the uSD was present for all backups, but that I did not reinsert/remove them in between the time when only 3 were visible and 4 were visible (since it involves removing the battery and then rebooting).19:11
timeless_mbperr19:11
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timeless_mbpyou do *not* need to remove the battery to remove the uSD19:11
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timeless_mbpthe SIM card is behind the battery19:12
kwtmAnyway, all this is just to explain why I'd like to be able to rsync my data wireless to my home server.  One advantage is that if I drop my N900 into the ocean, I still have my data.19:12
timeless_mbpthe uSD is not19:12
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kwtmWhy, you're right!  I was thinking of the SIM card.  Ok, so that makes my point even more: I have *never* removed the uSD card from my N900 once inserted.19:12
timeless_mbpwell, now you've learned something new ;)19:12
kwtmthe uSD is too small for me to handle comfortably, so I decided that once I put it in, it would stay in.  The only exception was when I got my 2nd (and 3rd) N900, I inserted the uSD card into that device.19:13
kwtmSo, back to the original point ... would it be reasonable to expect that if I've backed up (using rsync or other copying strategy) everything under ~/ and under /var/lib/gconf  that my email account info would be preserved and restorable?19:14
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crashanddieAs a product manager, I'd be tempted to reply: Of course not.19:14
timeless_mbp"no"19:14
crashanddieAs a linux hacker, I'd be tempted to reply: use strace and find out.19:14
timeless_mbpbecause using rsync to restore to /var/lib/gconf isn't likely to do the right thing19:14
kwtmThen I guess back to the original question ... where is the email account info stored, so that I can restore it after a flash?19:14
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timeless_mbpthe proper way is w/ gconf-tool2 or whatever19:15
MohammadAGgcontool-2*19:15
timeless_mbpthis is your account info19:15
* timeless_mbp offers mohammadag an 'f' :)19:15
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kwtmtimeless_mbp: Oh, note that I didn't say I was going to use rsync to restore.  But that is where the information is if I need to restore?19:15
timeless_mbpthe account contents of course are in MyDocs19:15
* MohammadAG accepts it19:15
timeless_mbpyes19:15
kwtmMohammadAG: Thank you.19:15
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MohammadAGgconftool-2*19:15
kwtmSo, I guess the next question is: if I want to restore, then I use gconftool-2?  That will say (more or less) "If you still have everything under MyDocs, I can restore the email account info"?19:16
timeless_mbpthe account configuration lives in gconf19:16
* ArkanoiD- tried new modest.. looks nice, but it still takes 4 taps to get to my inbox :-((19:17
timeless_mbpi have no idea how to convert a stale copy of a gconf file system into something that gconftool-2 can use to feed to a live gconf world19:17
timeless_mbpbut in theory it should be doable19:17
timeless_mbpthe mydocs content is just your mail19:17
kwtmtimeless_mbp: When you say account contents, you mean the contents of the email messages themselves?  I see.  So the settings (name of mail server, port numbers etc.) are in gconf.19:17
timeless_mbpright19:17
corecodeany hint how to debug "authentication failed" messages for wpa/peap?19:17
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MohammadAGget schemas from /*?19:18
MohammadAGthen register them19:18
corecodethis works on our campus network, but here it doesn't, so i'd like to log some info what is failing exactly19:18
kwtmtimeless_mbp: So from what you are saying, if I use the Backup app, then the backup info itself (being stored in MyDocs) would be rsync'd by my backup strategy of saving everything under ~/, and then when I restore them back, then I can use the Backup app to restore my email account info (even though that info itself was stored in /var/whatever/gconf) right?19:19
timeless_mbpyes19:19
timeless_mbpthe backup system has hooks which let apps serialize and restore settings19:19
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timeless_mbpmail is one of the subscribers19:19
timeless_mbp(more or less)19:20
kwtmtimeless_mbp: Ok.  I will remember for next time.  One more question, out of curiosity:19:20
timeless_mbpsure19:20
kwtmYou said  [09:06] <timeless_mbp> if you aren't crossing file systems when you make your rsync, then you'll lose *all* of your personal data     What was it I said that made you wonder if I might have included the   --one-file-system   flag?19:21
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timeless_mbpit was <back up all of ~/>19:22
timeless_mbpthere are plenty of naive implementations which would avoid crossing file systems19:22
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MohammadAGmuhaha19:36
MohammadAGI figured out how to take a splash screenshot in Qt19:36
MohammadAGi.e this http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/hildon-Additions-to-GTK+.html#hildon-gtk-window-take-screenshot but in Qt19:37
timeless_mbpthe documentation is buggy19:38
timeless_mbpit should say 'extant' not 'existent'19:38
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timeless_mbpalso 'time changes' in the comment is bogus19:40
timeless_mbp'time changes' every minute19:40
timeless_mbp...19:40
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Khertan_n900Hello !19:51
Khertan_n900MohammedAG : This is worst from what i think. Unfortunatly each time i try to clone the git repository i got connection error from gitorious. Will be hard to see the problem without the code :(19:52
MohammadAGif anyone's interested in it, http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/commit/0410f02d8083b184fcd50c03bbbec5d69ef9c16319:53
MohammadAGheya Khertan19:53
MohammadAGKhertan_n900, which repo, ours or gitorious's?19:53
Khertan_n900This affect every Qt App that use QTextEdit, and QLineEdit,19:53
Khertan_n900MohammadAG : the qt gitorious19:54
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Khertan_n900The best way to got this fixed quickly is to fix it myself i think :)19:55
Khertan_n900this is why i was trying to see which commit add this bug19:55
MohammadAGdid you report a bug upstream?19:55
MohammadAGi.e on Qt bugtrackers19:55
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Khertan_n900yep nbut i need to complete and edit it again as i affect all selection not just setExtraSelection19:57
Khertan_n900http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-1872019:58
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Khertan_n900it s a real pain to enter bug in this bugtracker with microb19:58
Khertan_n900~ping19:58
infobot~pong19:58
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MohammadAGtry to clone the CSSU repo20:00
MohammadAGthe qt repo fails for me too, I used a server to clone and push20:00
MohammadAGthen reset git commits up until upstream20:00
Khertan_n900i ll try tomorrow as currently i didn't have any stable connection and nothing more than my n900 on 3g :) (i m in a train)20:01
Khertan_n900yep i ll try that tomorrow20:03
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Khertan_n900it s not funny that there isn't any line about maemo in the changelog20:05
Khertan_n900also i didn't see any mention of the merged commit i do on QAbstractKineticScroller in the changelog20:05
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MohammadAGKhertan_n900, it's merged20:14
MohammadAGsec20:15
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MohammadAGhttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/commit/22716aa9c2e6aa8fe40eba499bdb0b987014bdb720:15
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MohammadAGwhat's better than tinypic? Apparently they replace screenshots/images when they feel like it http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=811829#post811829 >.<20:20
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norayrhey people20:25
norayrMy friend in another city wants to buy a second hand n81020:25
norayrSo I am unable to help him to check her purchase.20:25
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norayrher20:25
norayrWhat can you suggest me to tell her20:26
norayrto check20:26
norayrBy taking into consideration that I cannot suggesto to open a terminal and type commands20:26
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ArkanoiD-angry birds rio looks great20:26
norayrJust how would she check that tablet works in order to buy it?20:26
ArkanoiD-shame we do not have a native version20:26
xd13copying all of looney tunes 2 n900....this is going 2 take a while20:27
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divansantanai've got a bug with latest CSSU update. It says not enough free space, I've got 826.5M free, which is 97% full (since I did the partition). Does the software look at the percentage perhaps?21:02
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ejasmudar@divansanatana, how much rootfs space do u have?21:15
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yaccWondering, are there any tricks to consider for charging the N900 on USB (from a 12V car USB plug), ...21:34
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cehtehyacc: there are adapters, just be careful to use a micro usb standard charging compatible one21:37
cehtehthat is both data pins are shortened (possibly with a resistor)21:37
cehtehotherwise it will only draw 100ma which is not enough for charging21:38
yaccWell, the plug works well enough with my daughters iPhone, and the MicroUSB cable works well enough for charging when connected to the PC, ...21:38
yaccAh sucks, that would look like the symptoms => no charging animation, but orange LED after it turned itself off, ...21:38
cehtehyou can try shortening the data pins by yourself21:39
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cehtehwell and its not the n900 fault, it just follows the standard, other devices dont21:39
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DocScrutinizerindeed21:52
DocScrutinizerand no resistor needed21:52
DocScrutinizerjust short the middle two pins21:52
divansantana@ejasmudar as said, 826MB in /home or /opt, had 73M in rootfs, remmoved some data out of /opt or /home and all was fine, posted to the ML.21:57
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real_atehi all! i'm looking for a bit of help... I keep getting "connection reset by peer" when I try and download a podcast using gpodder on my n900 and what to know what to do to figure out what is wrong22:12
real_atecan anyone point me in the direction of figuring out what is wrong with my phone/gpodder/my network?22:13
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pupnikhi real_ate22:16
real_atepupnik: hi22:16
pupnikcan you download large files without problems?22:16
real_atepupnik: i'm not sure... i just tried to download the offending file through my web browser and it ends prematurly, i.e. instantly22:17
real_ateso it seems to be a phone problem ... :/22:18
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real_atepupnik: any idea how i can narrow this down? or is there anything that i can do ?22:20
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pupnikreal_ate: are you connected via wifi or cell network?22:26
pupnikreal_ate: try to transfer larger files from local computers22:26
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real_atepupnik: i'm on wifi22:26
real_atepupnik: i'll try that now22:26
pupniki'm not aware of any particular tweaks needed22:27
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real_atepupnik: downloading seems fine on my internal network22:35
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pupnikreal_ate: hmm hmm.  you could install 'wget' on the n900 and try 'wget http://pupnik.de/airstrike_1.0_pre6.deb'  for e.g22:39
pupnikor http://pupnik.de/Ultima7_music_stereo_remastered_mp3.tgz   for a larger file22:40
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real_atepupnik: downloading now22:49
real_atepupnik: hmm... seems to have stalled at 5%22:49
pupnik:*22:49
real_atehasn't kicked back in yet22:50
real_ate... hmm... i'll try again22:50
pupnikwonder if maybe your MTU is set too high22:50
pupnikyou could try setting the maximum transmission of your unit 10% lower22:51
* real_ate doesn't know what MTU is22:51
pupnikhave you used other laptops/computers on the wireless lan?22:51
real_ateyea.. but come to think of it there are some problems with them sometimes too22:52
real_atepupnik: ssh over the wireless hangs22:52
real_ateevery so often it just pauses and won't kick back in22:52
pupnik:/22:53
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SpeedEvilreal_ate: Typical of powersaving not working well.22:54
SpeedEvilTry turning off powersaving. settings -> internet connections ->then scroll all the way to the end - and the powersave settings are there22:55
pupnikahh gooddness advice from mr SpeedEvil22:57
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real_ateSpeedEvil: still cutting out but it made it to 30% instead of 5%22:58
SpeedEvilIt does this even if you're closer to the router?22:58
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real_atebrb22:58
* real_ate goes to check22:58
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real_ateSpeedEvil: it seems to be better in the same room as the router23:07
real_atebut not working 100% yet23:07
real_ateit downloaded fine the first time, then made it to 90% the second23:08
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pupnik:(23:08
real_atepupnik: am i killing your bandwidth btw ? :/23:08
pupnikno23:08
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SpeedEvilodd23:09
real_ateSpeedEvil: do you think this MTU problem has legs?23:10
real_atedoes anyone know how I check if its set too high?23:10
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SpeedEvilI dunno.23:11
pupnikwell it shouldnt be a problem with a sensible ISP23:11
SpeedEvilI'm probably going to sleep.23:11
pupnikcheers23:11
real_ateSpeedEvil: thank you for your help!23:11
real_atepupnik: its prob not a problem since my provider is a Fiber provide....23:11
real_atei assume they know what they are doing ;)23:12
real_ateVirgin Broadband23:12
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pupnikmtu would be set in your router / wifi configuration23:14
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FIQPR1.3.3.723:14
FIQhmmmmmmmm, why would it be called that........ :P23:14
pupnikbut if you got 30% then it seems unlikely that's the problem23:14
pupniklol23:14
FIQa coincidence ofc23:15
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real_atepupnik: i have done the "ping test" for mtu... its not the problem23:16
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pupnikcheck forums perhaps - i have no idea23:17
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real_atepupnik: thanks for your help23:19
pupnikgood luck!23:19
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MohammadAGdoes anyone know how to interpret key presses that show up in /dev/input/eventX?23:35
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* GeneralAntilles chuckles at the Humble Bundle showing, once again, how stingy Windows users are.23:37
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ShadowJKWell they'd be skint, spending all their money on windows in the first place ;D23:39
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real_ateeh... does everyone see this page all wrong ? http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/wireless_sync_for_media-especially_music/23:40
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argent0hi, i mount the device using mass storge mode (i'm using linux). Where should i put music files?23:43
trxMohammadAG http://www.thelinuxdaily.com/2010/05/grab-raw-keyboard-input-from-event-device-node-devinputevent/23:43
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nox-there also is evtest (tho no idea if on n900)23:44
ShadowJKargent0, .sounds23:46
trxnox- i dont think so23:46
argent0ShadowJK: i did tried there, but how can i acces that folder from the term on the device?23:47
ShadowJKMyDocs/.sounds23:48
argent0ShadowJK: Thank you very much ideed23:49
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/input23:49
DocScrutinizer+/23:50
DocScrutinizer+*23:50
MohammadAGtrx, DocScrutinizer thanks23:50
MohammadAGI suppose bluez allows a connection to a device without pairing?23:50
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DocScrutinizerif the device had been paired before, then probably yes23:51
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, unpaired, has no pairing key23:55
DocScrutinizerwell, afaik you can transmit data via BT to an unpaired device as well. Otherwise the BT dating in arabic subways and busses wouldn't work ;-D23:56
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DocScrutinizerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluedating23:59
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