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| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothing | 00:01 |
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| MohammadAG | heh, the PS3's BT remote is fun | 00:02 |
| tripzero | you can send files without pairing | 00:02 |
| MohammadAG | 0-9 keys actually send proper HID codes | 00:02 |
| MohammadAG | eject ejects my laptop's drive | 00:02 |
| MohammadAG | play button toggles playback too | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | I love how sony uses standards for most parts | 00:03 |
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| MohammadAG | tripzero, try pairing without a key, it doesn't work | 00:07 |
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| MohammadAG | at least with the N900's UI | 00:09 |
| ShadowJK | uh, duh | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seasoning large batches of caste iron is such a pain. | 00:10 |
| pupnik | ?? | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | Because pairing is all about exchanging the keys to make a permanent (until user deletes it) authentication | 00:10 |
| pupnik | seasoning? | 00:10 |
| pupnik | wb GeneralAntilles | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/caste/cast | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik: bonding a layer of carbon to the surface. | 00:10 |
| pupnik | interesting activity | 00:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik: never cooked on cast iron? | 00:11 |
| pupnik | yes | 00:11 |
| pupnik | i always scrubbed it | 00:11 |
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| pupnik | guess i'm silly | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, connecting without a key should be possible with the UI nontheless | 00:11 |
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| MohammadAG | most mice and HID devices don't come with a key nowadays | 00:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik: better than teflon when it's seasoned correctly. | 00:12 |
| pupnik | good ol tech! :) | 00:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: those have a standard pin, like 0000 | 00:14 |
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| * ShadowJK knew how to make BlueZ3 accept unauthenticated incoming connection :/ | 00:15 | |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, not the one I'm using now | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I usually name my BT device "Your Network Provider Update Service ", so when I try to send a file to an unpaired other phone, the message showing there is: >>Your Network Provider Update Service wants to transmit a file! Accept / Reject?<< | 00:17 |
| nox- | haha | 00:18 |
| pupnik | wb nox | 00:18 |
| nox- | moin pupnik | 00:18 |
| pupnik | nice | 00:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | By the way, in case you've missed it: http://www.humblebundle.com/ | 00:21 |
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| pupnik | any you enjoy from that GeneralAntilles ? | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik: Only played a bit of Trine. Mostly a cartoony D2 clone. | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | But well enough put togeth.r | 00:23 |
| pupnik | descent 2? <nausea> | 00:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Diable II | 00:29 |
| pupnik | oh neat | 00:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, ever played Avara? | 00:30 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen lcuk | 00:31 |
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| pupnik | nope GeneralAntilles | 00:33 |
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| pupnik | interesting, something macheads would know | 00:34 |
| pupnik | oh bolo was fun too | 00:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Bolo was awesome. | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bolo was amazing. | 00:36 |
| pupnik | :) | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish they had a modern clone that people actually played. | 00:36 |
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| pupnik | there was something a bit similar for PC called 'snipe' | 00:38 |
| pupnik | "brun bolo" | 00:38 |
| pupnik | ahh brun | 00:38 |
| pupnik | the memories | 00:38 |
| pupnik | "whirr whirr whirr" | 00:39 |
| pupnik | and the sound of that apple speaker | 00:40 |
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| pupnik | nice touch: in bolo explosions from enemies that touched you would kill you | 00:42 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba030UmbkCo TSA molests and drug tests 6 year old baahahah | 00:55 |
| pupnik | comments are precious | 00:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/cute-toilet-plunger-shaped-silicone-stand-holder-for-cell-phone-black-70408 | 01:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | I see china has their own definition of cute. | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | What the hell kind of useless game doesn't let you bind punctuation keys? . . . | 01:45 |
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| pupnik | hehe the one i'm on has limited bindings also | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I've played nethack on the n900. | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a bit silly. | 01:50 |
| cehteh | mhm .. i have an external numpad keyboard .. with hostmode one could plug that into the n900 | 01:51 |
| cehteh | once i buyed that for playing nethack on my laptop :P | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | That would make nethack actually playable. | 01:51 |
| cehteh | exactly :) | 01:52 |
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| Dibblah | Right. Confirmed, I think, that something is very dead in my N900's VBUS circuitry. | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Or travel-to-press. | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Is it a rabbit? | 01:52 |
| Dibblah | Could be, but it'd have to be a very small rabbit. A pico-rabbit, if you will. | 01:53 |
| trx | haha | 01:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Where were you applying vbus? | 01:53 |
| Dibblah | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MICROSOFT-BLUETOOTH-NUMBER-PAD-MODEL-1391-/150574209746?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_KeyboardsMice&hash=item230eec1ad2 | 01:54 |
| Dibblah | On the fuse right next to the USB port. | 01:55 |
| Dibblah | I've confirmed continuity all the way up to a capacitor just by the USB charger chip. | 01:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh - I was thinking GAIA had the USB hostmode charegpump and battery charger - my bad. | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Memory fade. | 01:56 |
| pupnik | a collection of free icons http://www.neurosoftware.ro/programming-blog/blogposter/web-resources/the-top-50-web-development-icon-sets-from-2009/ | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. Someone plugged in a high voltage PSU - then ripped the USB connector off - then tried for warranty? | 01:58 |
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| Dibblah | Could be - But you'd have to be rather insane to make up a microUSB -> anything other than 5v. | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Broken charger? | 02:01 |
| Dibblah | Possibly. Would have to be very broken to be able to desolder the connector :) | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe they thought that that would be a fault that required a motherboard replacement - and warranty was denied for some reason? | 02:03 |
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| Dibblah | I'm going with "it's just broke and I can't fix it" :) | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Fair enough. | 02:04 |
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| * GeneralAntilles notes the CALM act has seemingly accomplished absolutely nothing. | 03:12 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Go, go, big goverment! | 03:12 |
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| tripzero | GeneralAntilles, yays | 03:23 |
| tripzero | lols: "CALM Act is the most popular piece of legislation she's sponsored in her 18 years in Congress." | 03:24 |
| tripzero | 18years well spent | 03:24 |
| tripzero | in school, we'd give her a "gold star" for effort | 03:24 |
| tripzero | i'm so glad i don't watch tv | 03:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | I would be a supporter of a meta-act. | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | A requirement to transmit metadata along with audio passed through a compressor (audio, not data) to enable teh compression reversing. | 03:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | tripzero: wouldn't, but sports, you know. . . . | 03:33 |
| tripzero | i try to watch my sports online if i can | 03:33 |
| tripzero | although for some sports that isn't possible | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, any big team in a local market. :P | 03:33 |
| tripzero | and even for the NBA, it's difficult at times | 03:33 |
| tripzero | yeh, :( | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | MLB really needs to update its incredibly archaic broadcast regulations. | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid tax-payer supported monopolies. | 03:34 |
| tripzero | agreed | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'course MLB is all about the "Tradition" (read: slimeball corruption). | 03:35 |
| tripzero | haha | 03:35 |
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| * GeneralAntilles chuckles at Boston being fail. | 03:36 | |
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| tripzero | the city or the team? | 03:36 |
| tripzero | (or both?) | 03:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, both. | 03:36 |
| tripzero | haha | 03:36 |
| tripzero | +1 | 03:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the baseball team right at this moment. | 03:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Was talking to one of the MLB owners at a book signing last Summer. He said there's basically no chance of getting TV reviews with the current MLB dictatorship. | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Even though most of the owners want it. | 03:37 |
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| tripzero | bah | 03:42 |
| tripzero | "hey gentoo user, why don't you use this project?" user: "because of the deps on libqt and dbus". "what's wrong with... oh, you are a gentoo user, it all makes sense now..." | 03:42 |
| tripzero | some people's children... | 03:43 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:58 |
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| crashanddie | morning Jaffa | 11:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hi Jaffa | 11:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr|otg: was that you who needed speakers? | 11:18 |
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| mece | Why am I not allowed to buy something from ovi store that doesn't work on my phone? Do they hate money? | 11:22 |
| frals | most likely to product stupid users from themselves ;) | 11:23 |
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| frals | wth | 11:24 |
| frals | s/product/protect/ | 11:24 |
| mece | They should make an exception for angry birds rio | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | produce :-) | 11:24 |
| mece | frals, I understood it :) | 11:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | duh TWD | 11:31 |
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| timeless_w7ip | mece: chargebacks are very expensive to stores | 11:36 |
| timeless_w7ip | stores really do not want to be in a position where customers buy something and return it | 11:36 |
| timeless_w7ip | 1. they get no net money from the initial sale | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess I have to *bring* EUR to change those to... nothing | 11:36 |
| timeless_w7ip | 2. they have to pay for the chargeback cost | 11:36 |
| mece | timeless_w7ip, I understand that, it's still annoying. | 11:37 |
| timeless_w7ip | that doesn't count any other overhead or the fact that the customer was disastisfied and badmouths them for the sale of goods which don't work | 11:38 |
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| mece | timeless_w7ip, well, they should still make it so that you can do it with some light hacking ;) | 11:39 |
| timeless_w7ip | "i know what i'm doing, please take my money" ? | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | c'mon OVI - what yer talking bout? | 11:40 |
| timeless_w7ip | fwiw iirc google doesn't allow hackers to use its store at all | 11:40 |
| timeless_w7ip | or maybe they offer "all sales final" | 11:40 |
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| timeless_w7ip | i think initially it was the former | 11:40 |
| timeless_w7ip | they might have switched to the latter | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf google store? | 11:41 |
| mece | hah, Rovio solved my problem :D | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm hopelessly behind the moon | 11:41 |
| mece | from twitter: @mece66: @roviomobile How can I send you some monies so I can steal Angry Birds Rio with a clean conscience? | 11:42 |
| mece | @RovioMobile: @mece66 maybe you could buy one of our toys at http://t.co/VqMpMJV | 11:42 |
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| mece | but which one? | 11:43 |
| mece | The yellow bird is my favorite in the game. I think I'll go with that one. | 11:43 |
| mece | but the red one is the most iconic... | 11:43 |
| * mece ponders | 11:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | pick both ;-D | 11:44 |
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| mece | I bought the red one. | 11:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so is OVI now really capable of selling my 1.79$ N900 app? | 11:54 |
| fellu | o.O | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | fellu: what? | 11:55 |
| fellu | What app? :) | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | yet to come :-P | 11:55 |
| fellu | oh | 11:55 |
| timeless_w7ip | they probably don't take USD :) | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | what else? TWD? | 11:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer glares again at those 1300 TWD, angrily | 11:56 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | tbh after support for maemo ceased, how can I expect OVI to support maemo app merchandise | 11:58 |
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| mece | Angry Birds Rio works in portrait mode, but not as well as the original angry birds. | 12:00 |
| mece | hmm that might actually be a preenv thing though. Forcing height to 480.. | 12:01 |
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| dotblank | Why hasn't someone made a a non ovi app store for the n900 | 12:34 |
| dotblank | kinda like cydia for the iphone | 12:34 |
| Treibholz | dotblank: because nobody needs it. | 12:37 |
| Treibholz | the OVI-appstore ist bullshit, the regular package-manager is free and open. | 12:37 |
| Treibholz | and you may add as many repositories as you like. | 12:38 |
| MohammadAG | i think he wants to sell apps outside ovi | 12:42 |
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| Treibholz | selling apps for a dead platform? | 12:52 |
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| OkropNick | Home Calendar Widget on N900 is displaying all events shifted one hour forward. Till yesterday everything was fine. Any ideas how to fix it? | 13:23 |
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| OkropNick | I mean Calendar Home Widget | 13:27 |
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| Termana | good morning | 13:58 |
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| crashanddie | OkropNick, it's called daylight savings time | 14:02 |
| crashanddie | OkropNick, you'll probably find the whole world (except for Brisbane and some other states in the US) have changed the time... | 14:03 |
| OkropNick | crashanddie: I've just talking with widget developer, but thanks. I have in Poland daylight saving time too | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | I was going for funny. | 14:04 |
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| range | /act | 14:28 |
| range | Erm. | 14:28 |
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| edheldil | Hi, I want to flash vanilla on my n900. Are the latest versions of vanila & combined ok? I heard somebody complain about wifi after 1.3 ... | 14:52 |
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| edheldil | and does flashing vanilla mean flash the VANILLA and then COMBINED images? The docs are fuzzy on what image file to use for flashing the rootfs | 15:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | edheldil: so err | 15:51 |
| timeless_mbp | there's only one rootfs and you can only flash it with one thing, because if you flash it with something else, whatever was there before will be gone | 15:51 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're trying to flash a recent rootfs, then you should ensure that you have backed up any data you care about and flash the vanilla image at the same time | 15:52 |
| timeless_mbp | 'same time' is defined as 'without allowing the device to boot between' | 15:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you try flashing a very old rootfs, you wouldn't actually need to flash the emmc, because initially we didn't do optification | 15:53 |
| timeless_mbp | and thus the emmc was not used by the os | 15:53 |
| timeless_mbp | (some of the docs you'll find will data to then and thus wouldn't have a reason to mention flashing the emmc when describing how to flash the rootfs) | 15:53 |
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| edheldil | timeless_mbp: thank you ... I wanted to know whether I should avoid e.g. PR 1.3. It's a second hand phone and I wanted to get rid of anything nonstandard which could be there. I have found a good enough docs, it was just a bit too fuzzy in the flashing rootfs part - I thought I knew it talks about COMBINED image, but I was not overly sure | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | so, the naming for the images is based on internal details | 15:59 |
| timeless_mbp | combined mean "support for various hardware variants that will never be seen in the wild" | 15:59 |
| timeless_mbp | or something like that | 15:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | what's being combined is <kernel>, <cellmo>, <rootfs> and a couple of other bits | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | most people simply think of it as the rootfs image | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | personally, i'm relatively happy w/ 1.3 | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | and would use it | 16:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | you'll want to flash both rootfs and emmc | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | be sure not to boot between | 16:00 |
| edheldil | no, I mean it said "Now flash the FIASCO/rootfs image using the above commands with -R parameter" - I figured it out, but for some time I thought I should use the exactly same command as before, including image filename, only with -R flag | 16:01 |
| edheldil | I have it flashed correctly in the end, just was a bit confused in this step | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | most docs are in wikis | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | wikis can be changed | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | please feel free to improve the docs | 16:03 |
| edheldil | will do | 16:03 |
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| MohammadAG | how does one keep debug symbols when compiling again? | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | -g, nvm | 16:06 |
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| crashanddie | so much win: http://media.fukung.net/images/28334/aa3e076c38e543aae2b4448e972b4b1d.gif | 16:16 |
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| khertan | Hello | 16:44 |
| khertan | Nice i didn't notice the new camera apps in CSSU. But who do the apps ? | 16:45 |
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| khertan | i see nothing in changelogs about iut | 16:45 |
| khertan | MohammadAG: qt-x11-maemo | 16:46 |
| khertan | Optified libraries <<< could this be a source of problem ? | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | no | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | khertan, nicolai | 16:46 |
| khertan | ;) | 16:47 |
| khertan | thx | 16:47 |
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| khertan | really nice apps ... working well | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/Camera_UI | 16:47 |
| khertan | maybe i should change my glassess | 16:48 |
| khertan | :) | 16:48 |
| merlin1991 | khertan: any eta on khweeteur working together with the new cssu update? | 16:49 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, it's not his fault | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | blame achipa :P | 16:51 |
| khertan | merlin1991: soon :) | 16:51 |
| khertan | merlin1991: the line 0.1.6 will be discontinuted soon | 16:51 |
| khertan | 0.5.x should be available in stable branch soon | 16:51 |
| merlin1991 | my desktop has a space that is mssing an icon really badly ;) | 16:51 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: Could you test Qthello with the latest CSSU: looks like it is now showing notifications in the wrong color or maybe does not fade them in fully (try losing a game) | 16:51 |
| khertan | a current experimental version is available in extras-devel | 16:51 |
| khertan | merlin1991: but it s experimental :) | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, will do, juts fixing some stuff with camera-u | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | i | 16:52 |
| khertan | merlin1991: there is sometime some missing reply text | 16:52 |
| RST38h | ah =) thanks | 16:52 |
| khertan | still didn't know why | 16:52 |
| khertan | but other that ... it s working | 16:52 |
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| merlin1991 | btw can it be that the twitter api cuts texts sometimes? | 16:52 |
| merlin1991 | I had it that with several clients I didn't see the full msg, but only on the webpage | 16:53 |
| khertan | merlin1991: i didn't think | 16:53 |
| merlin1991 | I only noticed that with links | 16:53 |
| khertan | merlin1991: it s an error of the client on retweet ;) | 16:53 |
| merlin1991 | wich pointed nowhere due to half of them missing | 16:53 |
| khertan | message got a truncated status | 16:53 |
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| khertan | that many client ignore | 16:53 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, check out Sam Fuld's catch from last week. | 16:54 |
| khertan | merlin1991: but currenlty i more worried by the bug on qtextedit which was bring by 4.7.2 than something else :) | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | is there a QTimer::singleShot equivalent in GLib? | 16:54 |
| crashanddie | GAN900, sorry? | 16:55 |
| khertan | MohammadAG: addTimeOut | 16:55 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, one sec. | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | khertan, can you confirm it's Qt 4.7.2 and not the theme? | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | try running the app with -style cleanlooks | 16:55 |
| khertan | MohammadAG: timeout_add to be exact :) | 16:55 |
| khertan | MohammadAG: ... hu ... good suggestion | 16:55 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2uN0_Qajbw | 16:56 |
| khertan | MohammadAG: confirmed | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | nice | 16:56 |
| khertan | MohammadAG: same error with the cleanlook on n900 | 16:56 |
| * MohammadAG suggests opening a bug on Qt bugtracker | 16:57 | |
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| khertan | MohammadAG: already done :) | 16:57 |
| khertan | MohammadAG: http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2reference/gobject-functions.html#function-gobject--timeout-add | 16:58 |
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| khertan | The function is called repeatedly until it returns FALSE | 16:58 |
| khertan | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720 <<< and the qt bug report | 16:58 |
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| khertan | MohammadAG: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720 | 17:00 |
| khertan | :) | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | thanks :D | 17:00 |
| khertan | Receiving objects: 9% (46823/502403), 61.86 MiB | 124 KiB/s .... pfiou ... | 17:01 |
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| khertan | willl be slow cloning :) | 17:01 |
| * MohammadAG knows the feeling | 17:01 | |
| khertan | :) | 17:01 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, spawned another ridiculous twitter meme: #LegendofSamFuld | 17:02 |
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| MohammadAG | khertan, is there a way to make it only call the function once? | 17:06 |
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| MohammadAG | it returns TRUE on success, FALSE on fail | 17:07 |
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| khertan | MohammadAG: if the called method return False, the call will be made only 1 time | 17:07 |
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| MohammadAG | it returns true | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | oh that QLineEdit bug is weird | 17:08 |
| khertan | indeed :) | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | noticed it in the mediaplayer just now... | 17:08 |
| khertan | :) | 17:08 |
| khertan | and every app using qt | 17:09 |
| khertan | seems also affecting some other text rendering | 17:09 |
| khertan | as someone notice invisible text in listview | 17:09 |
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| khertan | look at t.m.o :) | 17:09 |
| khertan | there is some complain about it | 17:09 |
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| * MohammadAG looks at commits made to QLineEdit | 17:10 | |
| khertan | MohammadAG: i didn't understand why you return true ... maybe show me your code | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | khertan, not me, it's an API | 17:10 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: what did I do again ? Or is it still the PyQt story ? :) | 17:10 |
| * khertan have try yesterday on Gitorious without success | 17:10 | |
| MohammadAG | Fix QLineEdit's Highlight color when inactive. | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | wanna bet it's that ^? | 17:11 |
| khertan | MohammadAG: there is a good chance | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | July 27 | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | old commit | 17:11 |
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| MohammadAG | btw http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/blobs/history/master/src/gui/widgets/qlineedit.cpp | 17:12 |
| khertan | achipa: cssu can't be installed for khweeteur user, as python2.5-qt4-test depends on libqt4-test =4.7.0, and khweeteur depends on python2.5-qt4 which depends on python2.5-qt4-test ... | 17:12 |
| khertan | yeah i use the meta package where i should not | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | meh This Git object is too large to be displayed in the browser Consider cloning the repository locally and look at the object there | 17:12 |
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| achipa | khertan: yeah, so pyqt story | 17:12 |
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| khertan | but for promotion bug reason ... i use it | 17:13 |
| achipa | khertan: in fact, latest scientific research says you're doing the right thing | 17:13 |
| khertan | achipa: pyqt story ? | 17:13 |
| khertan | ? | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | scientific research? lol | 17:13 |
| achipa | HAM is inherently broken wrt to upgrade strategy for packages like pyqt | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, ping | 17:13 |
| khertan | HAM is inherently broken | 17:13 |
| khertan | is enough :) | 17:13 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: pong | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, how do I get what was changed in c46f00ec595ae60046affa1d0ed19b2e5a14d4f6 | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | but only for one file | 17:14 |
| achipa | so even though the Debian way of 'right thing' would be to depend on the particular libs, with HAM I will start bundling ALL libs in the metapackage | 17:14 |
| achipa | i.e. the modules will be the metapackages :) | 17:14 |
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| achipa | as it's just way too easy to run yourself into an upgrade dead-end | 17:15 |
| khertan | indeed | 17:17 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: git diff commit1 commit2 pathtofile | 17:18 |
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| MohammadAG | khertan, qlineedit.cpp wasn't changed much | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG | do you know where text highlighting is painted? | 17:27 |
| khertan | nope sorry | 17:29 |
| khertan | i'm far to be a qt expert :) | 17:29 |
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| MohammadAG | wtf | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG | QTextEdit inherits QTextBrowser and QTextBrowser inherits QTextEdit | 17:31 |
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| MohammadAG | khertan, full diff of widgets http://pastebin.com/pgtsxCmx | 17:40 |
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| Venemo | someone should really fix Qt's text input bug... | 17:42 |
| khertan | :) | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, can't fix it if you can't find it | 17:42 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, meh, a Qt guy pointed me to some few thousand lines long cpp file | 17:43 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, I forgot which one though. the code and the task to even try understand it seemed enormous at the time | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | I just fucked up | 17:44 |
| Venemo | what? | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | upgraded to Qt 4.7.2 in scratchbox | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | oh well, at least that'll help to see if compiling against new Qt fixes it | 17:44 |
| khertan | :) | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 17:46 |
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| OkropNick | Heheh, I've just found hack to start logging duration time of calls :) It's here, post #20: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42624&page=2 | 18:54 |
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| E0x | OkropNick: extened call log show the duration time | 18:58 |
| E0x | of the call | 18:58 |
| E0x | oh , wait not | 18:58 |
| E0x | just the time | 18:58 |
| OkropNick | E0x: will be showing duration time after above hack | 18:59 |
| E0x | cool | 18:59 |
| OkropNick | at least from 0.5 version | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG | khertan, it's not QText* | 19:00 |
| MohammadAG | it's all text selection in Qt | 19:00 |
| MohammadAG | see About Qt dialogs | 19:00 |
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| MohammadAG | chem|st, ping | 19:10 |
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| E0x | new symbian update | 19:14 |
| E0x | look like maemo | 19:14 |
| khertan | MohammadAG: ouch | 19:14 |
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| alterego | Is full "Terminal" app sources FOSS | 19:17 |
| * alterego wants bell to trigger vibra | 19:17 | |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/13/red_hat_unveils_project_ceylon/ <-- anyone want something like java but not java? | 19:18 |
| E0x | scala ? | 19:18 |
| E0x | oh | 19:18 |
| E0x | is a new JVM | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, yes, patches to CSSU welcome :P | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG | code is from 2004 I think | 19:18 |
| E0x | bell to trigger vibra ? | 19:19 |
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| alterego | E0x: there's a ANSI control code that triggers a "bell" from you terminal, I want it to make a noise and ring vibra, hand if you use remote screen with notification scripts. | 19:23 |
| alterego | Or some IRC clients can be configured to use bell on PM etc. | 19:23 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: might look tonight, after I've got my meego dialer work merged. :) | 19:24 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, sources here https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-xterm | 19:24 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders an exciting rapid development agile language. | 19:24 | |
| SpeedEvil | I shall call it 'BuckFast' | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, by any chance, do you know where painting of text selection is done? | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | I mean, where is standard text stuff handled in Qt | 19:24 |
| alterego | Not sure, must be something linked with QPainter I guess. | 19:25 |
| alterego | I donmt know if Qt has anything like gtks' pange | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, cause 4.7.2 introduced a bug | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | if text is highlighted, non-highlighted text is white on white | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | or black on black | 19:27 |
| alterego | That's probably a theming issue | 19:27 |
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| MohammadAG | it's not, already considered that | 19:27 |
| alterego | And this is m5 Qt 4.7.2 right? | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | using -style cleanlooks does the same | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, upstream | 19:27 |
| alterego | Interesting. I'd get someone to confirm in #qt | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | well, I need to check if 4.7.2 on my PC does the same | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | but I can't find a PPA for it, and I cba to build | 19:28 |
| lolcat | My theme is ugly | 19:28 |
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| mikki-kun | uhhh, can anybody tell me why the new community ssu wants me to have nokia software suite installed?! | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG | probably a conflict, try apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr | 19:36 |
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| slonopotamus | ssu is just a piece of code, it can't want anything | 19:37 |
| wmarone | until they start including the self-awareness module! | 19:37 |
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| mikki-kun | ok, that solved it... using inbuilt app-manager wanted me to connect my n900 via usb to my pc and run from there pc-suite | 19:39 |
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| chadi | if I copy my CSSU transitions.ini (the one with additional settings) on a phone without any CSSU update, is there any problem? Will hildon-desktop crash? | 19:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *should* not | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | but who lmows about secrets of h-d | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | knows* | 19:58 |
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| Robot101 | some folks hiding in Collabora do... :) | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | general paradigm is there must not be any problems with unknown keys and empty/commented lines in ini files | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: do they have particular reason to hide? :-P | 20:00 |
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| Robot101 | just working on totally unrelated stuff mostly | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I heard QSettings segfaults on #comment lines | 20:01 |
| khertan | MohammadAG: whouhou... finally finish the download of the qt git clone of qt | 20:03 |
| khertan | :) | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ( why the new community ssu wants me to have nokia software suite ) | 20:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer mentions that his HAM has not shown ANY conflicts for the update | 20:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer | but I haven't allowed it to update yet | 20:07 |
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| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> I heard QSettings segfaults on #comment lines | 20:16 |
| MohammadAG | no, just replaces them with UTF | 20:16 |
| MohammadAG | UTF-8* | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | haha like #0223 = ">"? | 20:17 |
| chadi | anyway, thank you for the info | 20:17 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, sort of, yeah | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | well, they shouldn't use plain QString for files like those | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | prolly #1 of Qt WTFs | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a shame not even Qt devels get their sh*t sorted | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | the QA for Qt products somewhat seen a scaring decay since beginning of the story | 20:26 |
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| MohammadAG | ranting about it doesn't help :P | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, ranting is always the first step | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seious devels are happy about good rant, much more than about unqualified cheers | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | marketing droids and HR dudes aren't exactly happy about it, but it gives them a reality check | 20:34 |
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| GAN900 | Or they just ignore you. | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | those are the morituri | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course those living happily in autism of "I'm doing it for MY fun" | 20:44 |
| pupnik | yea | 20:44 |
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| newbie007 | Hi, I've installed icetea6 (java) and I'm getting an error from a java app. "UnsatisfiedLinkError: jnidispatch" Somewhere I found a similar bug for an older version of Maemo. (I'm using a n900). Any ideas to fix this? | 21:47 |
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| newbie007 | This is the error: http://fpaste.org/CX6y/ | 21:51 |
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| newbie007 | What I'm trying to do is install Gmote-server so I can use my nook color as a mouse to my n900. The reason for that is that nothing android offers is as open or as good as what maemo / hildon-desktop offer | 21:55 |
| onen|openBmap | newbie007: hi | 21:56 |
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| onen|openBmap | newbie007: are you trying to run an android app? | 21:56 |
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| newbie007 | Only on the nook color. The Gmote-server is made for desktops | 21:57 |
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| onen|openBmap | newbie007: I see | 21:57 |
| newbie007 | really what I want is hildon-desktop and repos on my nook color. But a 3d driver is stopping that from happening. | 21:57 |
| newbie007 | Maemo is superior to andoid imho | 21:58 |
| onen|openBmap | *jni*dispatch makes me think this has sth to do whith native code being accessed from java | 21:58 |
| newbie007 | If I worked for nokia I would release all of the closed source stuff for the n900 so that maemo could then over take the android devices | 21:58 |
| newbie007 | I'm not familiar with it myself. When I looked into the requirements for that app, it stated that only VLC was required. | 21:59 |
| onen|openBmap | newbie007: not that simple. what mostly blocks porting are proprietatry closed stuffs on phones (drivers compiled agains Google libc for example, and thus incompatible withc "standard" glibc | 21:59 |
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| onen|openBmap | to me this looks like either a lib is missing on the java side (jni related), or some native software is missing and the java code just cannot find it | 22:01 |
| onen|openBmap | if VLC is required, how is it used? direct use of the library? this is most probably native | 22:01 |
| newbie007 | I was assuming tha ta lib is missing on the Java side. Seems like I need to find the owner of that app and start there.. ? | 22:02 |
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| onen|openBmap | that could explain why the java app cannot access it | 22:02 |
| newbie007 | About vlc.. I'm not sure, but even Maemo supplies a VLC Remote viewer | 22:02 |
| newbie007 | VLC is doing some sort of screen capture and forwarding over apache | 22:02 |
| onen|openBmap | ok | 22:02 |
| onen|openBmap | did you try any other java app? does it work? another way to ask: are you sure your java environment is working fine? | 22:03 |
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| newbie007 | I have not tried that, I will. It seems that running java at the command line works as expected | 22:05 |
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| onen|openBmap | not sure with icetea, but regular jdk (or is it sdk) embeds some java (java swing, java2D, etc.) examples apps | 22:07 |
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| onen|openBmap | if available, this would be a good test of your java environment working fine or not | 22:08 |
| newbie007 | I'm looking for something now | 22:08 |
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| onen|openBmap | keep in mind, that even if a 100% java app runs fine, this does not show that a java app with jni calls works | 22:09 |
| newbie007 | Yes there is a Micro Emulator program that works | 22:09 |
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| onen|openBmap | do you know if this uses native code? | 22:12 |
| newbie007 | no I do not | 22:13 |
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| newbie007 | The error from the app (user friendly error message) is " /com/sun/jna/linux-arm/libjnidispatch.so not found in resouce path " | 22:15 |
| onen|openBmap | ok | 22:15 |
| onen|openBmap | this looks like it is looking relative to whatever paths explored by java (environment variable like JAVA_...), for a path ../com/sun/[snip]/libjnidispatch.so | 22:17 |
| onen|openBmap | and cannot find it | 22:17 |
| onen|openBmap | look for a file libjnidispatch.so on your computer | 22:17 |
| onen|openBmap | if you cannot find it | 22:17 |
| onen|openBmap | look for it in packages. You may find that this is in another package that you have not installed | 22:18 |
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| onen|openBmap | under debian exists a tool apt-file IIRC, that might help finding a file, and to which package it belongs, even if not installed | 22:19 |
| maybeArgh | http://www.techeye.net/business/nokia-will-lay-off-up-to-6000-next-week old? | 22:19 |
| newbie007 | onen|openBmap: I did a "cd / " then "find | grep libjni " | 22:22 |
| newbie007 | except for 300 "Permission denied" errors I did not find this file | 22:23 |
| onen|openBmap | newbie007: faster $locate name-of-file (check the last update of the database, with updatedb command) | 22:23 |
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| onen|openBmap | newbie007: is apt-file available in repos? | 22:24 |
| onen|openBmap | (by the way, the java you installed, does it come from regular repositories?) | 22:24 |
| newbie007 | the java comes from the regular repos, nothing special on my part | 22:26 |
| onen|openBmap | is apt-file available in repos? $sudo apt-get install apt-file ? | 22:28 |
| newbie007 | I'm looking for it | 22:28 |
| onen|openBmap | ok | 22:28 |
| newbie007 | there is something called "aptly", also "Aptitude package manager". I already have apt-get but not apt-file | 22:29 |
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| newbie007 | maybeArgh: would it be possible for nokia workers to go rogue, and start building hildon-desktop targeted at android hardware. I personally would dump Google Market in a second, in exchange for an open alternative | 22:32 |
| onen|openBmap | try: $sudo apt-get update | 22:32 |
| onen|openBmap | then | 22:32 |
| onen|openBmap | $apt-cache search apt-file | 22:32 |
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| newbie007 | okay will do | 22:33 |
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| onen|openBmap | newbie007: (sudo if used under maemo (sorry I have no maemo at hand!), otherwise you have to be root) | 22:38 |
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| newbie007 | onen|openBmap: sorry, I'm having to reboot, also seems I don't have gainroot installed... I'm getting there | 22:54 |
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| onen|openBmap | newbie007: what I meant is that to install package through apt-get install, you need rights to do so | 22:55 |
| onen|openBmap | newbie007: and that is either by being root, or through sudo | 22:55 |
| newbie007 | I get you | 22:55 |
| onen|openBmap | newbie007: I don't know what maemo uses... | 22:55 |
| newbie007 | I have either forgotten my root or never had it,, I think I never had it,, so getting gainroot should do it | 22:56 |
| newbie007 | *root password | 22:56 |
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| newbie007 | I'm having dependancy issues getting apt-file.. | 23:08 |
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| newbie007 | onen|openBmap: okay I was able to perform a search using aplty, could never install apt-file. I was not able to find jnidispatch using that | 23:14 |
| newbie007 | I can find other lib* files though | 23:15 |
| onen|openBmap | well then it looks like it expects the presence of libjnidispatch.so, but if you cannot find any package which provides it... | 23:15 |
| onen|openBmap | sorry I have no maemo phone for now. so I cannot look by myself :-( | 23:16 |
| newbie007 | thanks for your help! | 23:17 |
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| onen|openBmap | no pb | 23:20 |
| onen|openBmap | I might be able to look at it in the future though | 23:21 |
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| onen|openBmap | good night | 23:21 |
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