| Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: don't worry, those libs should work okay. | 00:00 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: I also added you to the thanks section of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67139 's first post :) | 00:02 |
| trumee | guys, somehow mc-tool doesnt want to run if i stick it in /etc/network/if-up.d/script | 00:02 |
| ShadowJK | Does script get executed? | 00:04 |
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| trumee | ShadowJK: http://www.pastie.org/1535185 | 00:05 |
| trumee | ShadowJK: yes, it does get executed | 00:05 |
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| trumee | ShadowJK: it is just that mc-tool doesnt run in the script | 00:06 |
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| ShadowJK | hm :/ | 00:07 |
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| trumee | ShadowJK: do i need a run-standalone.sh mc-tool | 00:08 |
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| MohammadAG | GAN900, don't make me visit florida | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what's mc-tool | 00:09 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer51: mission-control to control telepathy components | 00:10 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: :D | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | AcoughA | 00:10 |
| trumee | ShadowJK: ah! it works | 00:10 |
| trumee | ShadowJK: yup, need that run-standalone.sh | 00:10 |
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| trumee | does openvpn run from its init script in N900? | 00:13 |
| trumee | /etc/init.d/openvpn | 00:13 |
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| trumee | i want to bring up openvpn via "if-pre-up.d" rather than manually using the openvpn applet | 00:14 |
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| trumee | So as soon i hit the Wifi connect button, openvpn gets triggered. | 00:16 |
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| ShadowJK | Yeah it runs if you've got a configuration for it | 00:17 |
| ShadowJK | Try starting it manually first /etc/init.d/openvpn start | 00:17 |
| trumee | ShadowJK: how does it get the name of the conf file? | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK | probably /etc/defaults/openvpn | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | or something like that | 00:20 |
| trumee | ShadowJK: /etc/default/openvpn should have AUTOSTART="something" | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | check the /etc/init.d/openvpn script, that's what I did | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | Oh and tunnel configs are probably in /etc/openvpn/ | 00:20 |
| trumee | ShadowJK: right. it had something called $NAME | 00:20 |
| trumee | ShadowJK: init script refers to a $NAME.conf, no idea where it comes from though | 00:22 |
| trx | in C++ in, if (x = y && a = b) does && mean "AND" or "OR"? | 00:22 |
| nox- | and | 00:22 |
| trx | ty | 00:22 |
| nox- | logical and not binary | 00:22 |
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| Venemo | hey again | 00:22 |
| pupnik | frozen lemons sound just like pool-balls when you clack them together | 00:23 |
| BCMM | that makes a surprising amount of sense | 00:23 |
| BCMM | frozen grapes are nasty | 00:23 |
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| pupnik | :) | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | probably also much easier to squeeze the juice out, one you froze and warmed up those lemmons | 00:28 |
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| pupnik | theoretically it should be DocScrutinizer51 | 00:32 |
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| GAN900 | MohammadAG, it's warm here. :P | 00:34 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: why does phone-control put run-standalone.sh before dbus-send commands? | 00:35 |
| pupnik | in addition they can be bought when cheap, frozen forever, and heated in microwave whenever you want a non-caffeine, non-alcoholic drink | 00:35 |
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| Venemo | pupnik: sounds good | 00:40 |
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| pupnik | Venemo: i can't share anything else useful :) | 00:41 |
| Venemo | pupnik: :) | 00:41 |
| pupnik | except anybody in UK who wants to buy soem great pasta-sauce i found another source | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, if you do a sudo dbus-send it fails | 00:41 |
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| pupnik | asian/thai style - it's soo good, but they don't ship to germany | 00:42 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: ah, it only works normally because of some bit of the environment... | 00:42 |
| BCMM | (by normally, i meant from bash) | 00:42 |
| Venemo | does someone have an N810 and ~5 minutes for me? | 00:42 |
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| pupnik | What's the question Venemo | 00:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | BCMM: session bus - ponder the word | 00:45 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer51: :) | 00:45 |
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| Venemo | pupnik: I'd like to see how puzzle-master runs on N810 | 00:47 |
| Venemo | pupnik: if you're willing to test, I'll make you a .deb | 00:47 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: do you accept extra functions for phone-control? seems like determining current profile is a missing feature. | 00:47 |
| pupnik | i can't - stolen | 00:47 |
| Venemo | pupnik :( | 00:48 |
| BCMM | (i've just made a script to enable the general profile, make some noise, and then return to whichever profile was in use before) | 00:48 |
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| MohammadAG | BCMM, I think I did that | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | phone-control --profileset without any parameters | 00:52 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: oh, sorry - --help doesn't mention that | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, sorry, was a newbie back then :P | 00:53 |
| BCMM | at least i learned a little awk | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | --ledon shows patterns if no patterns are specified | 00:54 |
| trumee | ShadowJK: init script craps out, http://www.pastie.org/1535305 | 00:55 |
| ShadowJK | I've never tried "status" :) | 00:57 |
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| trumee | ShadowJK: where does the log of openvpn go? | 00:59 |
| trumee | ShadowJK: it might be necessary to look into the log, if i ever had trouble with openvpn | 00:59 |
| ShadowJK | syslog, which is nonexistant on maemo unless you have syslogd package installed | 00:59 |
| ShadowJK | which fills up rootfs if you leave it running | 00:59 |
| trumee | ah, crap. i dont want syslogd | 01:00 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG, what is new in mc in extras-devel? | 01:31 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG, seems you are the maintainer of mc. | 01:33 |
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| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: I found a bunch of bugs :( | 02:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Having MWKN to make it easier to stay informed about what's going on is kind of defeating by having to be informed to write the summaries. . . . | 03:30 |
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| Jartza | Sources: Nokia to Abandon Symbian/Meego, Adopt Windows Phone 7, and Move its HQ to U.S. | 05:09 |
| Jartza | http://technmarketing.com/cellphone/sources-nokia-to-abandon-symbianmeego-adopt-windows-phone-7-and-move-its-hq-to-u-s/ | 05:09 |
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| Jartza | :) | 05:11 |
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| wmarone | more "this will get me page hits!" crap | 05:12 |
| Jartza | yeah | 05:12 |
| wmarone | do you have an interest in that page? | 05:12 |
| wmarone | someone paying you to link it? | 05:12 |
| Jartza | nope | 05:12 |
| Jartza | nope | 05:13 |
| Jartza | I myself have a lot of interest to maemo & meego | 05:13 |
| wmarone | why is it the ones who claim to have an interest, always latch on to whatever random speculation trickles across the web? | 05:14 |
| Jartza | just thought to share that crap, because I'm bored :) | 05:14 |
| Jartza | 'cause it's 5:14am :P | 05:14 |
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| Ken-Young | Yeah, Findland's definately going to let Nokia move its headquarters to the US. | 05:16 |
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| Ken-Young | They won't mind their largest company leaving. | 05:16 |
| Ken-Young | s/Findland/Finland/ | 05:18 |
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| Jartza | well they don't Want To, that's for sure. | 05:22 |
| Jartza | but I'm actually not sure what could they do, if Nokia really wanted to. | 05:22 |
| wmarone | start pulling all those nice things they gave Nokia | 05:22 |
| Jartza | true. we spend money on Nokia. | 05:23 |
| Jartza | :) | 05:23 |
| Ken-Young | Isn't Nokia, even now, something like 10% of the market cap of all Finnish corporations? | 05:25 |
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| pupnik | it was cool to see 'normal' people carrying N900s in finland | 05:33 |
| Ken-Young | pupnik, I have *never* run into anyone else with an N900. | 05:34 |
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| pupnik | where U at Ken-Young | 05:35 |
| Ken-Young | Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA (next to Boston) | 05:35 |
| Ken-Young | I would have expected to have at least seen someone near MIT with one, but no. | 05:36 |
| wmarone | Ken-Young: it's the US, minority of a minority :) | 05:37 |
| wmarone | most I've ever seen at once was at the meego developer day back in september | 05:37 |
| Ken-Young | wmarone, Do a lot of Meego folks carry one? | 05:38 |
| wmarone | there were at least 5-7 people with them | 05:38 |
| wmarone | some had N8s | 05:38 |
| wmarone | I think a lot of people at the meeting were just | 05:38 |
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| wmarone | "app developers" with no particular interest in any specific handset or platform | 05:39 |
| Jartza | hmmh | 05:40 |
| Jartza | I have a lot of friends with N900 :) | 05:40 |
| Ken-Young | I'm jealous | 05:40 |
| Jartza | quite a "normal phone" here | 05:40 |
| Ken-Young | Jartza, Where is "here" for you? | 05:40 |
| Jartza | Finland, surely :) | 05:41 |
| Ken-Young | People in the US don't even know how to pronounce Nokia. | 05:41 |
| Jartza | No wonder. | 05:41 |
| Jartza | I've heard it quite often, people speaking Finnish sound to US people like we're MEANING IT! :) | 05:42 |
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| pupnik | Jartza: particularly women | 05:49 |
| pupnik | it's quite sexy | 05:49 |
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| Jartza | :) | 05:50 |
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| Jartza | oh well. anyways, lot of those "analysts" who want to see Nokia create WP7 don't realize it would also be a mistake :) | 05:51 |
| Jartza | I'm not convinced that Nokia should sacrifice everything just to get to US market of 300M people. | 05:52 |
| Ken-Young | Jartza, But I think we can safely assume that Nokia does know it would be a mistake. | 05:52 |
| Jartza | it would kick back on other markets :( | 05:52 |
| Jartza | Ken-Young: hopefully :) | 05:52 |
| pupnik | Jartza: i think the 'analysts' are stupid cattle themselves | 05:56 |
| pupnik | 'oh look, i'm in the middle of a herd, and it's running this way' | 05:56 |
| GAN900 | WP7 wont actually help in the US anyway. | 05:57 |
| GAN900 | Nokia's US fix is easy. | 05:57 |
| Ken-Young | And what is that fix? | 05:57 |
| GAN900 | Clean house in NokiaUSA and play ball with the carriers. | 05:57 |
| GAN900 | Nokia's failure in the US doesn't have more of a source than Nokia itself. | 05:58 |
| GAN900 | Phone releases were delayed by months or years, software updates were at least 6 months behind the rest if the planet and warranty service was about as bad as it could get. | 05:59 |
| GAN900 | So they alienated their existing customers | 06:00 |
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| GAN900 | and couldn't get any new ones since they wouldn't play ball with carriers or market their products. | 06:00 |
| pupnik | what exactly does 'playing ball' mean? | 06:01 |
| Jartza | allow carrier customizations, for starters. | 06:01 |
| Jartza | fix the syncing problems. | 06:01 |
| Jartza | deliver software updates. | 06:02 |
| pupnik | 'syncing problems' means what? | 06:02 |
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| pupnik | and is that 'easy'? | 06:03 |
| Jartza | I've struggled with many Nokia phones (mainly symbian) and corporate emails/calendars/contactbooks... | 06:03 |
| Jartza | and I'm not the only one. MfE is a joke. | 06:03 |
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| Jartza | easy and working sync to exchange/others would be on top of my list. | 06:04 |
| Jartza | push enabled would be even nicer :) | 06:04 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, yes, Nokia treated the carriers to all or nothing negotiations. | 06:05 |
| GAN900 | Which means nobody ever saw their products. | 06:06 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, Apple can do it, Google can do it, Microsoft can too. | 06:06 |
| pupnik | GAN900: i know someone whose full-time job is making that stuff work | 06:07 |
| pupnik | for relatively small clients | 06:07 |
| pupnik | doesn't seem 'easy' | 06:07 |
| pupnik | making it work between microsoft-microsoft | 06:08 |
| pupnik | and now google-microsoft | 06:08 |
| * GAN900 shrugs | 06:09 | |
| GAN900 | One problem of many | 06:09 |
| GAN900 | and hardly the biggest. | 06:09 |
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| pupnik | software updates is like telling mercedes they need to facelift their cars more often | 06:14 |
| wmarone | phones are more flexible than cars, in that respect | 06:15 |
| wmarone | and hell, if my car's software was significantly updated, I'd want an upgrade | 06:15 |
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| Jartza | I've gotten a software update to my car every time I've taken it to the regular service :) | 06:17 |
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| pupnik | Perhaps they should relase a US 'os update' consisting of a new ringtone, soundboard and theme :) | 06:18 |
| pupnik | We'll call it 'sarcastic marketing' | 06:19 |
| pupnik | or 'openly sarcastic marketing' | 06:19 |
| wmarone | or they could do it realisticly, and get out there | 06:19 |
| pupnik | to cash-in on buzzwords :) | 06:19 |
| wmarone | I'll continue buying only unlocked devices :) | 06:19 |
| pupnik | 'defective by design' is a market strategy | 06:21 |
| pupnik | 'get it out the door and sell units - we'll fix it later' | 06:22 |
| wmarone | right, which is why I don't buy Motorola devices | 06:22 |
| pupnik | haven't used any | 06:22 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, the software updates were produced and released. | 06:34 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, NokiaUSA just took an extra 6 months to release them for US devices. | 06:35 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, why so defensive of the company. | 06:35 |
| GAN900 | ? | 06:35 |
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| MohammadAG | trumee, Andrew's the new maintainer | 06:46 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen zap | 06:47 |
| infobot | zap <~zap@213.59.86.89> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 41d 17h 47m 53s ago, saying: 'good'. | 06:47 |
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| pupnik | GAN900: just making conversation | 06:52 |
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| pupnik | GAN900: i'm a bit tired of people having opinions | 06:58 |
| pupnik | too often it's like having an opinion of why a cloud is a certain shape | 06:59 |
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| GAN900 | Hehe | 07:05 |
| GAN900 | I can sympathize. | 07:05 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, but you're wrong. *g* | 07:06 |
| pupnik | what about | 07:10 |
| pupnik | notice the american formulation - "you ARE wrong" | 07:10 |
| pupnik | a person isn't wrong | 07:10 |
| pupnik | nor is a person right | 07:10 |
| pupnik | a statement might be though | 07:10 |
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| jonwil | YAY, my N900 is back | 08:21 |
| jonwil | and they seem to have replaced it rather than fixed it | 08:21 |
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| Dhraakellian | interesting to look at | 08:25 |
| Dhraakellian | but too slow and battery-hungry to use much | 08:25 |
| Dhraakellian | ...and the whole libclucene0ldbl dependency conflict with clucene-core was really annoying | 08:26 |
| Dhraakellian | since I had to uninstall katana and sword16 every time I wanted to do any package management whatsoever | 08:26 |
| Dhraakellian | and then reinstall katana | 08:26 |
| Dhraakellian | rather annoying | 08:27 |
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| jonwil | Now I just need to reinstall all my apps and stuff :( | 08:42 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: do you have a provider url/file for the REST stuff ? | 10:41 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi | 12:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | achipa: ping | 12:06 |
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| zlimvos | so, any ideas for apps to take with me on a long trip to asia? (mostly offline) | 12:42 |
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| zlimvos | or games ^^ | 12:42 |
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| yacc | zlimvos, well, you could start by browsing for the best deals in prepaid SIM cards with a data plan? *lol* | 12:53 |
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| zlimvos | yacc: lol well ill have a look but ill be between laos, cambodia, vietnam and avoiding cities, so data looks long shot | 12:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | franz_: exec=SHELLVAR=val binary | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | franz_: or exec=sh -c 'SHELLVAR=val binary' | 13:38 |
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| yacc | zlimvos, that's hard, the N900 is not that classical "toy" phone ;( | 13:40 |
| yacc | zlimvos, it's really a workhorse, ... | 13:40 |
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| yacc | zlimvos, there are few things that you cannot set up with it network-wise, ... | 13:42 |
| yacc | zlimvos, but games, well, you are basically down to Linux games, a small screen compared to usual Linux desktops, and in the European version no real cursor keys either, ... | 13:46 |
| pupnik | is the usa the only hypernationalistic country that still sings the national fascist brainwashed monkey anthem at every sporting event? | 13:46 |
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| Arkenoi | actually n900 is quite decent portable gaming platform. better than iphone as emulations and virtual machines are ok as well | 13:48 |
| psycho_oreos | zlimvos, supposedly games from openpandora (notably running usual console games through emulator) can work on n900, as well as games from latter palm devices | 13:48 |
| pupnik | the n900 has buttons | 13:48 |
| pupnik | and replaceable battery | 13:48 |
| lardman|gone | Who can promote a package from extras-devel to -testing? | 13:49 |
| lardman|gone | only the original uploader? | 13:50 |
| psycho_oreos | it goes by vote iirc | 13:50 |
| lardman|gone | no, that's from -testing to extras proper | 13:50 |
| lardman|gone | afair anyway | 13:50 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Gaming wise, I really like ScummVM on the n900 - Games like Legend of Kyrandia work great, have good performance and sound! | 13:59 |
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| joga | snes emulator is really great too | 14:00 |
| RobbieThe1st | And - imho - is the sort of game -for- a mobile platform; not a twitch game | 14:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman|gone: the pkg maintainer | 14:24 |
| lardman|gone | docscrutinizer: ok | 14:24 |
| lardman|gone | thanks | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman|gone: I heard there's a way to claim ownership/maintainer-status of a pkg | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask MohammadAG | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | or anybody else here who's better on those details | 14:25 |
| lardman|gone | well I could upload a new version with a different control file I guess, but no need, just have to wait | 14:25 |
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| lcukn900 | hey guys. can you tell me if liqbook on extras-devel is working and readable please. | 14:26 |
| lcukn900 | I uploaded it during fosdem but my internet has been choppy | 14:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lo lcukn900 | 14:26 |
| lcukn900 | hi | 14:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh - cool 'legit' app for open-source cellmo. Emulating SIMs in software. Multiple SIMs per phone. | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | VLC vulnerability in <v1.1.7: Security Advisory 1102: Insufficient input validation in MKV demuxer http://www.videolan.org/security/sa1102.html | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: WUT? | 14:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | Can't be done on n900 of course. | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | unfeasible without either A) hacking cmt FW, or B) a hw hack to emulate the SIM bit bitbanging the IO from APE | 14:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | In principle could be done on FR, as I understand it. | 14:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 14:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: nope, not even on FR | 14:34 |
| lardman|gone | lcukn900: just waiting for HAM | 14:34 |
| SpeedEvil | You can apparantly extract the secrets from the SIM 'easily' if you have an opensource basestation. | 14:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha | 14:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: As you set a weak encryption that you can break. This was mentioned in passing in one of Harald Weltes talks at defcon18 | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (FR) maybe with AT+CSIM I pushed into moko10 | 14:35 |
| lardman|gone | lcukn900: I see no liqbook | 14:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I was meaning running the open-source calypso code. | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, of course with openBB you could do such things | 14:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | Only if you can extract the SIM secrets - which is the other half. | 14:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 14:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | once you got that PKI or what it's called, it is a straighforward task, given you have access to cmt<->SIM interface | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | It's also fun of course, in that you only need momentary access to someones phone to pop out their SIM, read it (admittedly with your backpack basestation), and make calls asthem. | 14:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | (after returning their SIM) | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's how SIM cloners work | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | SIM cloners don't work with recent cards. | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | AIUI - at least the older models - don't know if there are new ones that do the above dance. | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | a BTS based attack might work, admittedly | 14:38 |
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| lcukn900 | wtf check autobuilder and somebody please fix | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, you only can read out old models of SIM | 14:39 |
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| lcukn900 | resudmit it or something, check packages ui | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | new ones are "unbreakable" | 14:39 |
| lcukn900 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/liqbook/ | 14:41 |
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| lcukn900 | wtf please someone fix this and get it n fremantle | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never wrapped my head around all operation modes of AT+CSIM, but it seems to me you could do all the things you could do with a SIM in a card reader, or with a cloned SIM in the cmt | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcukn900: *someone*? | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcukn900: I guess you meant X-Fade PIIIING | 14:43 |
| lcukn900 | anyone! doc read it. | 14:43 |
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| lardman|gone | lcukn900: it says it doesn't have a proper desc | 14:43 |
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| lardman|gone | perhaps that's what's stopping it? | 14:43 |
| lcukn900 | i cannot get into my scratchbox or anything, my harddrive is broke | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 14:44 |
| lcukn900 | doc build/run/read it. | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcukn900: I dunno how to build, what to run, and what you mean by read | 14:44 |
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| lardman|gone | lcukn900: sorry I'm at work so no build machine to hand | 14:45 |
| lcukn900 | download it, type "make' | 14:45 |
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| lcukn900 | or even run the mpackage.sh | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, I suppose you meant in SB | 14:45 |
| lcukn900 | yes. | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | never did that | 14:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well I did once, for kernel | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | now my HDD is fsckd as well, almost | 14:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcukn900: find a devel, I'm just a stupid poject lead and designer/architect. No clue about building | 14:48 |
| lardman | lcukn900: give me 30min and I'll do it when I pop home | 14:48 |
| lcukn900 | thanks | 14:49 |
| lcukn900 | <lcukn900> I sign off on the book with: | 14:49 |
| lcukn900 | <lcukn900> Gary Birkett, | 14:49 |
| lcukn900 | <lcukn900> Smile Architect. | 14:49 |
| lcukn900 | <KotCzarny> :) | 14:49 |
| lcukn900 | <lcukn900> mohammad was right to take a screenshot. | 14:50 |
| lardman | As, so lcukn900 is in fact a Lip Augmentation Enhancement Surgeon? | 14:50 |
| lcukn900 | :) | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcukn900: I.E. I for sure can (learn to) build a working pkg, maybe even build (aka clone) a new one, but I'm the wrong guy for fixing things with build process ;-) | 14:52 |
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| * DocScrutinizer smiles on 444 users | 14:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 14:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer smiles on "444 users" | 14:55 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | google chrome vulnerability: affected: all systems < Version 9.0.597.84. 9 bugs fixed, severity: DoS, code injection, privilege escalation | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2011/02/stable-channel-update.html | 15:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Anthony Laforge?? o.O | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 15:06 |
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| lardman|home | lcukn900: ping | 15:51 |
| lardman|home | I have committed a cardinal sin, I let bacon go out of date in the fridge | 15:51 |
| lcukn900 | hey lardman | 15:51 |
| lardman|home | I really don't know how this happened | 15:51 |
| lardman|home | am home, will try a build for you if you still need it? | 15:51 |
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| lcukn900 | that is not good. | 15:51 |
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| lardman|home | wose is that I was just in the shop buying nice fresh bread rolls for my bacon roll lunch :( | 15:52 |
| lcukn900 | yes please | 15:52 |
| lardman|home | and didn't bother with more bacon | 15:52 |
| lcukn900 | i might go to my mums. she has good bacon. | 15:52 |
| lardman|home | quite a long way for me to go in my lunch break ;) | 15:52 |
| lcukn900 | next time you are in Manchester, I am sure we can find somewhere to get one. | 15:53 |
| lardman|home | sounds good | 15:53 |
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| * lardman|home looks for liqbook source | 15:54 | |
| lcukn900 | autobuilder for n8x0 worked and put it into devel | 15:54 |
| lardman|home | same code? | 15:54 |
| lcukn900 | its on maemo servers | 15:54 |
| lcukn900 | yes | 15:54 |
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| rsahdu | i need help, on maemo platform , i need a way to receive an screen change event on a mobile device (dali) | 15:54 |
| lcukn900 | i submitted at same time | 15:54 |
| lcukn900 | so code is on maemo.org | 15:54 |
| lcukn900 | apt-get source liqbook | 15:54 |
| lcukn900 | it builds and runs, i have tested it on various devices now | 15:55 |
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| lcukn900 | it might come up being a bit small, but to make it bigger, just use the q and w keys | 15:56 |
| rsahdu | i need help, on maemo platform , i need a way to receive an screen change event on a mobile device (dali) | 15:56 |
| lcukn900 | it resizes it, i think it will be visible from orbit. | 15:56 |
| lcukn900 | rsahdu dali in public, really? | 15:56 |
| ShadowJK | What's dali? | 15:57 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 15:57 |
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| lardman|home | lcukn900: what do you want me to do with the built package? | 15:59 |
| ShadowJK | rofl, googling it turns up picture of a 770 | 15:59 |
| lcukn900 | lardman, read it. | 16:00 |
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| lardman|home | what, the app? | 16:00 |
| lcukn900 | then find out why its broke and submit it back to builder | 16:00 |
| lcukn900 | yes, read liqbook | 16:00 |
| lardman|home | well it builds fine here | 16:00 |
| lcukn900 | yes, it does here too. | 16:00 |
| lcukn900 | read it carefully | 16:01 |
| lcukn900 | and let it sink in | 16:01 |
| lardman|home | you sound like you're about to start a cult ;) | 16:01 |
| lcukn900 | I was talking to someone from the FSF last night and showed him the half sketch version of gpl | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | cult of devine liq | 16:01 |
| lardman|home | I think the reason it didn't work is that the description was broken | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that's a rather usual cause | 16:02 |
| lardman|home | it built fine, just wasn't imported to the repo | 16:02 |
| lardman|home | though tbh I can't see how it's broken, looks ok to me | 16:03 |
| lcukn900 | doc, Smile Architect. | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | non printable chars? | 16:03 |
| lcukn900 | prototype | 16:03 |
| lcukn900 | http://liqbase.net/liq.20081126_224040.gary.scr.png | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 16:04 |
| lcukn900 | this is a screenshot of liqbook: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110131_081956.liqbookreader.scr.png | 16:05 |
| ShadowJK | you wouldnt want to read my handwriting | 16:06 |
| lcukn900 | but you have to read it yourself to see the big picture. | 16:06 |
| lcukn900 | shadowjk, many people say the same thing. | 16:06 |
| ShadowJK | it's as decipherable as the voynich manuscript | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's basically no such thing like "my handwriting" - since decades :-P | 16:07 |
| lcukn900 | my handwriting is not good, but this takes the best example of each letter, and your most careful attempts and so shows your ideal writing | 16:07 |
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| lardman|home | your app depends on wget, is that normal? | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | the last handwriting I did was that strike thing on palm pilot, 10 years ago | 16:08 |
| lcukn900 | yeah lardman, historical thing i never got round to cleaning out | 16:08 |
| lardman|home | that makes it uninstallable for me | 16:09 |
| lcukn900 | doc, read the book. ask questions later | 16:09 |
| lcukn900 | hm? | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | book? | 16:09 |
| lcukn900 | patch it out | 16:09 |
| lcukn900 | liqbook | 16:09 |
| lcukn900 | liqbook | 16:09 |
| lcukn900 | liqbook | 16:09 |
| lardman|home | is it actually required though? | 16:09 |
| lcukn900 | not in this immediately | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess coffee doesn't kick in today. I'm missing to get the picture at large | 16:10 |
| lcukn900 | i believe it was used to download pictures right at the start | 16:10 |
| lardman|home | hmm, I can't even see where the dep is | 16:10 |
| lardman|home | libliqbase1 | 16:10 |
| lcukn900 | yeah grep source for wget | 16:11 |
| lardman|home | I think you might be asking for a specific version too, as I do have wget installed but it wanted to install a new version | 16:11 |
| lardman|home | lcukn900: sorry I don't have time to do libliqbase too atm | 16:11 |
| lardman|home | I thought you just wanted a built and re-upload | 16:11 |
| lcukn900 | ok | 16:11 |
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| lcukn900 | i dont understand why its not installable | 16:12 |
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| lcukn900 | lardman - liqcalendar has same deps and installs everywhere | 16:13 |
| * lcukn900 curious | 16:13 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer is puzzled about whether liqbook is a reader, a novel, a fontset, or whatever | 16:16 | |
| lcukn900 | x-fade, ping can you please wiggle maemo server | 16:16 |
| lcukn900 | doc, read it and tell me what it is. | 16:17 |
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| lcukn900 | i have heard people say its a digital love letter. | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I FSCKNG HAVE NO CLUE what to read! | 16:17 |
| lcukn900 | run liqbook | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 16:18 |
| lcukn900 | it has the text inside. | 16:18 |
| lcukn900 | to explain | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I *NEVER* ever am going to install any app to just find out what it is. I usually make nasty jokes about noobs doing that | 16:19 |
| mairas | X-Fade, whom should we contact to get the pyside-* packages removed from extras-devel? | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not even clicking URLs to find out what they are about, without prior hint | 16:20 |
| RST38h | Well. Moo all. | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo RST38h | 16:20 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Please note that qthello is *still* broken in the Extras* repo | 16:20 |
| mairas | they're ancient and obsolete and the correct ones are python-pyside-* | 16:20 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Why not flush the package and make autobuilder rebuild it? | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Because debian repos can't overwrite. It needs to be removed and re-numbered then. | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ""I installed destructive-badblock-test app to see what it does. PLZ HLP!! my data is gone!!1!!111eleven"" MUHAHAHA¡ | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/destructive-badblock-test/<random app>/ where liqbook is element of <random app> | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Random - http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs - does anyone happen to know who runs this? | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | nslu, hmm not really | 16:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | I should wander over to the IRC and ask I suppose. | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | nslu2-log: info | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | nslu2-log: help | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | nslu2-log: status | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm inclined to kickban the bot :-S | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: has nslu2-log clearance to hang around here? Bots default to invite-only (irc policy), esp those who don't properly identify who's their master and contact addr | 16:36 |
| * SpeedEvil notices he has 499 karma. | 16:37 | |
| * SpeedEvil ponders if he can be bothered to do something to add one. | 16:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, I crossed 500 some days ago ;-D | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: don't so it. You'll feel old all of a sudden :-P | 16:38 |
| aboyer | i have some ARM NEON code using 64bit registers that compiles and runs fine on the N900. when i port the algorithm to 128bit data types and instructions, it segfaults. why is this happening? | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: /ns info nslu2-log | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - that works too - thanks! | 16:41 |
| lardman | re | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh nslu logs are poor anyway | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | no search, to start with | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Google search. | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm trying to get a particular bit of info off the internet. | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | sisyphos? | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Actually - not that bad. Google has 22 hits | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | And most of those are multiples of the same datasource. | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 16:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | commonly attributed as mission impossible anyway | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | each action taken to get it down actually increases the number of links and attention for it | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Depends. | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't care about the attention of the people I'm making the requests to - the data is not of itself interesting. | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, as long as distributing the info isn't incriminated by itself, most parties won't even listen | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course you can change this by offering reasonable donations for compensating the work to clean all files and databases | 16:50 |
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| * Shapeshifter impatiently waits for his package to propagate to the catalog | 16:53 | |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: for nslu2-log on #maemo though your chances are good. I would consider it at least rogue to log this chan without proper notice to chan owner, who in turn has to inform chan users about the fact | 16:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually chanops and esp chan owner could require nslu2-log to take down complete #maemo logs (unless of course there actually had been granted an explicit permission to nslu2-log to do what they do, which I doubt as the bot doesn't comply with the requirements for IRC bots, regarding "impressum"[aka contact]) | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ask mgedmin | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | he might know some details | 16:59 |
| * mgedmin doesn't | 17:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer | k, sorry then :-D | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anybody inclined to explain to me wheter that's fishy or I missed a #ifdef ? please. http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_regs.h#278 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_regs.h#480 | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also I'm a bit lost about which value (0x02 or 0x04) actually is used right now, e.g. in http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_host.c#144 | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | hints appreciated | 17:25 |
| MrBawb | DocScrutinizer: the ifdef is 216-442, is that what you were looking for? | 17:28 |
| MrBawb | CONFIG_BLACKFIN | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | i guess that'S what I'm looking for, lemme check | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks. Yes, kate fooled me, by foling in the else branch as well :-S | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | folding* | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~lart kate | 17:33 |
| * infobot executes killall -KILL kate | 17:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsback | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 17:34 |
| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsmack | 17:34 |
| infobot | OWW! | 17:34 |
| Shapeshifter | there was some way to see the total downloads for a package and trends and whatnot, how did that work again' | 17:35 |
| Shapeshifter | ? | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a rather hidden "statistics" link somehwere | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | just can't find it | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 17:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | http://maemo.dadablog.net/AppStats.php?package=alarmed&os=fremantle this is pretty decent | 17:40 |
| Shapeshifter | it scrapes the statistics page you probably mean | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/starhash-enabler/# | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | "download statistics" | 17:41 |
| anidel | Downloads: 161422 wow.. quite some | 17:41 |
| anidel | yeah the statistics are at that link indeed | 17:41 |
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| crashanddie | You got to love it, you write a lot of code, and because you know exactly what you want to achieve and how to do it, you write *a lot* before compiling/testing it | 17:48 |
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| crashanddie | So you save, get ready for testing, get ready to be hit with a few thousand lines of errors, forgotten semicolons and or typos in variables | 17:48 |
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| crashanddie | you compile, get maybe... a couple of errors, fair enough, I'm not that bad after all | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | Test it, and... nothing | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | nada, niet, niks. | 17:49 |
| crashanddie | Fucking editors saving into the wrong files. | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: :-/ | 17:50 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, yo. | 17:51 |
| crashanddie | yo | 17:52 |
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| dewilman | hi | 17:53 |
| chem|st | hi dewilman | 17:54 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, so what have we learned? :P | 17:54 |
| dewilman | how are u ? | 17:55 |
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| chem|st | yeaha, found time to upgrade update and download all the new shyt... 4 weeks without device and you get surprised what's new and shiny after a while ;) | 17:56 |
| chem|st | I'm fine an U? | 17:56 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900, contextual information is actually important? | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: \o/ | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | feels like xmas, no? | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: seen marble? | 18:27 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yeah and Columbus and and lots of upgrades... | 18:47 |
| Venemo | good afternoon everyone | 18:48 |
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| Venemo | achipa: ping | 18:52 |
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| _Rui_ | hello | 19:17 |
| _Rui_ | how can I install curl/libcurl on my N900? | 19:18 |
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| slonopotamus | apt-get install libcurl3? | 19:18 |
| zlimvos | any ideas how to download maps to use offline with maep? mappero acts tricky.. | 19:18 |
| Proteous | you can do it through the OVI software | 19:21 |
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| claw | hey there i am using "Faster Application Manager" and wanted to add maemo.org repositories. I filled the fields with URL: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/ | Distribution: fremantle | Components: free non-free | 19:28 |
| claw | is that right ? | 19:28 |
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| claw | is says 404 for that | 19:28 |
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| achipa | Venemo: pong ? | 19:29 |
| claw | i tryed to add the repos by editting /etc/apt/sources.list but it does not make any difference | 19:29 |
| Venemo | achipa: :) | 19:29 |
| Venemo | achipa: you work at Forum Nokia right? | 19:30 |
| achipa | Venemo: hey, that is intimate question... | 19:30 |
| achipa | :P | 19:31 |
| Venemo | achipa: not intimate at all. I think you mentioned it either at TMO or the mailing list. I'm just not entirely sure :P | 19:31 |
| achipa | but yes, FN might have to do something with me enjoying the beautiful and rather long Finnish winter :) | 19:31 |
| Venemo | achipa: :) | 19:32 |
| Venemo | achipa: I don't know if you have anything to do with the Symbian team over there, but do you have any pointers for setting up a Symbian dev environment under Linux? | 19:32 |
| achipa | Symwho ? :D We don't do that - some indt guys did some hacks, tho, iirc | 19:34 |
| achipa | Venemo: remote compiler is still way easier (and slower :) ) | 19:35 |
| zlimvos | Proteous: I am interested in the 'open source' maps like virtual earth and virtual earth satelite, i didnt find anything related to OVI store | 19:35 |
| Venemo | achipa: 'slower' is the part I'm worried about :S | 19:35 |
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| Venemo | achipa: can I also run the remote compiled binary on my device? | 19:35 |
| achipa | Venemo: umm, yes, that's the whole point :) | 19:36 |
| trumee | guys. is if-down.d called when i go outside the range of wifi? | 19:36 |
| achipa | Venemo: no debug tho | 19:36 |
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| Venemo | achipa: mhm | 19:36 |
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| Venemo | achipa: I don't see any option to set the remote compiler or my symbian device as a target | 19:36 |
| achipa | Venemo: ? add target, remote compiler, and set the symbian version there | 19:37 |
| Venemo | achipa: the add target is greyed out. | 19:37 |
| Venemo | achipa: the remote compiler is there in tools/options/qt4 | 19:38 |
| Venemo | achipa: but I can't add it as a target :S | 19:38 |
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| makulkar | hey guys, is there a default file browser/manager in n900 | 19:39 |
| trumee | because i had a script in /etc/network/if-down.d which wasnt executed when i walked outside the range of the wifi | 19:39 |
| achipa | Venemo: check if the plugin is enabled | 19:39 |
| achipa | in qtc | 19:39 |
| Venemo | achipa: where can I check that? | 19:39 |
| achipa | Venemo: help->about plugins | 19:39 |
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| andre__ | makulkar, yes. | 19:40 |
| makulkar | andre, that is? | 19:40 |
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| Venemo | achipa: I don't see it there | 19:40 |
| andre__ | makulkar, nameless | 19:41 |
| makulkar | andre, Ok I can not find terminal either. | 19:41 |
| andre__ | osso file manager or so? | 19:41 |
| achipa | umm... first things first... do you have a FN account and did you enable it in qtc ? | 19:41 |
| andre__ | makulkar, well, where are you searching? | 19:41 |
| makulkar | andre, I have copied some .deb files over to mass storage and need to install | 19:41 |
| makulkar | andre, search app | 19:41 |
| andre__ | erm. file manager and terminal are definitely in the application list. | 19:42 |
| andre__ | what search app? | 19:42 |
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| Venemo | achipa: according to some people, it works on Wine | 19:43 |
| makulkar | andre, nope looked at all apps cant find either one :( | 19:43 |
| achipa | Venemo: what ? the symbian stuff ? could be, I never bothered with doing it through wine | 19:43 |
| andre__ | makulkar, what search app?! | 19:44 |
| andre__ | I have no idea what you talk about. | 19:44 |
| Venemo | achipa: and there are also some site that has some patched stuff so it works on Linux | 19:44 |
| Venemo | achipa: http://www.martin.st/symbian/ | 19:44 |
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| Venemo | achipa: but for now I'd just like to try the remote compiler | 19:46 |
| achipa | Venemo: okay, okay, I know it can be done, it's just that it's fussy :) I'm not that big of a symbian fan to push me over the edge and suffer through that :) | 19:46 |
| achipa | Venemo: sooo... FN account set up and terms accepted ? | 19:46 |
| achipa | (plus, I don't have a symbian device which kinda lowers the motivation :) ) | 19:47 |
| Venemo | achipa: I suppose I may have an FN account, but I haven't heard of any terms. I accepted the terms for the SDK when I installed it though. | 19:47 |
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| Venemo | achipa: really sorry for bothering you, but I think you're the most friendly person in that company :) | 19:48 |
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| achipa | Venemo: hehe :D | 19:49 |
| Venemo | achipa: I don't have one either | 19:49 |
| achipa | Venemo: but anyway, tools -> options -> qt4 -> remote compiler tab.... IIRC | 19:49 |
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| Venemo | achipa: however the department of applied informatics could lend me one until I port my app :) | 19:50 |
| Venemo | achipa: there is no such tab, sorry | 19:50 |
| achipa | wait, that tab moves around a bit... lemme check... | 19:50 |
| achipa | Venemo: yeah, sorry, projects, not qt4 | 19:51 |
| achipa | if you don't have a remote compiler tab there ,you dont have it installed | 19:51 |
| achipa | (-> updater time !) | 19:51 |
| Venemo | achipa: guess what. it appears in the crappy version that came with the SDK, but it doesn't with the better version (nightly) that I installed separately | 19:52 |
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| achipa | Venemo: nightlies are cheating ! :D but true enough, it's a separate plugin | 19:53 |
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| achipa | (i.e. it's not part of qtcreator and hence you won't have it in the nightly) | 19:53 |
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| Venemo | achipa: any easy way to enable it in the nightly or should I just use the crappy version? | 19:54 |
| achipa | Venemo: you might try to copy over the plugin .so, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was an API break | 19:55 |
| Venemo | achipa: ookay, trying | 19:55 |
| achipa | QtSDK/QtCreator/lib/qtcreator/plugins/Nokia/RemoteCompiler.pluginspec and libRemoteCompiler.so | 19:56 |
| achipa | Venemo: ^^ | 19:56 |
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| Venemo | achipa: Could not resolve dependency 'Qt4ProjectManager(2.0.95)' | 19:57 |
| achipa | bah, as suspected | 19:58 |
| Venemo | achipa: tried to edit the .pluginspec and removed the dependeny, but the failed with some other .so | 19:59 |
| Venemo | achipa: I'll restort to using the crappy version then | 19:59 |
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| achipa | reminds me of publishing that nightly blog... | 20:02 |
| achipa | confusing developers in 3...2..1... | 20:03 |
| merlin1991 | where where where | 20:03 |
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| achipa | http://qt-funk.blogspot.com/2011/02/living-on-nightly-qtcreator-edge.html | 20:03 |
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| achipa | not exactly rocket science, but hey, I'm sure there are lost souls who don't know about it | 20:04 |
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| Venemo | bah, sorry I got disconnected... forgot to plug in power to my laptop and the battery got exhausted | 20:04 |
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| Venemo | anyway, brb. | 20:07 |
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| Venemo | achipa: thanks for your help. I seem to be able to set it up now | 20:35 |
| achipa | Venemo: (Y) | 20:36 |
| Venemo | achipa: :) | 20:36 |
| Venemo | achipa: however I can't find the option to run on a device | 20:36 |
| RST38h | TI announces OMAP 5: two high-performance and two low-power cores, devices next year | 20:37 |
| achipa | more like 2013... still, those A15s are going to kick butt... | 20:37 |
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| Venemo | achipa: I hope the remote compiler servers have a good performance :P | 20:40 |
| achipa | Venemo: they should | 20:41 |
| Venemo | achipa: oh crap | 20:41 |
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| Venemo | achipa: /home/Timur/Projects/colorful-apps/puzzle-master/PUZZLE-MASTER_0XE5B4435F.MMP:35: error: possible real start of unterminated constant ----> there's not even a file with this name. | 20:42 |
| Venemo | achipa: it however compiles for both Maemo and desktop correctly. | 20:43 |
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| RST38h | "Well-placed sources at Nokia suggest Stephen Elop is considering shifting the executive centre of gravity to Silicon Valley, creating a virtual HQ in the United States." | 20:45 |
| Venemo | achipa: I think my best bet is a Windows VM. | 20:45 |
| RST38h | In other words, he hates Finland weather =) | 20:45 |
| Venemo | hehe RST38h | 20:46 |
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| MohammadAG | lol RST38h | 20:47 |
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| Venemo | achipa: also, I wanted to ask, do you have an N810 and ~10 minutes of your time? | 20:49 |
| achipa | I have an n810... but it's not at hand ATM :( | 20:50 |
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| Venemo | achipa: if you have it at hand, please look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69454 | 20:56 |
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| achipa | Venemo: oookay... not sure I will be of much use tho - I have the stock Qt libs with Qt4.7 | 20:58 |
| achipa | replaced with | 20:58 |
| Venemo | achipa: hmm. I didn't know 4.7 was possible on N8x0 | 20:58 |
| achipa | Venemo: it is - it's slower than 4.5, tho, that's why I didn't push it | 20:59 |
| achipa | plus my hack misses all the integrations the 4.5 had | 20:59 |
| achipa | but since I use QML I don't really care about the menu/widget/stuff | 20:59 |
| Venemo | achipa: does N810 have an accelerometer? | 20:59 |
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| Venemo | achipa: also, what's the #ifdef for Diablo? | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: heh, I sympathise with that guy | 21:07 |
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| vi_ | what shit is going down yo? | 21:09 |
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| vi_ | is it possible to install the maemo build chain on the n900? | 21:10 |
| Venemo | vi_: it is, you just need lots of free rootfs | 21:10 |
| vi_ | i have 10gb XD | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | makulkar: ossofilemanager on fremantle - no idea about harmattan ;-) | 21:11 |
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| Venemo | what the hell is this? | 21:11 |
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| Venemo | Reading debug information failed: | 21:11 |
| Venemo | "/home/Timur/Projects/colorful-apps/puzzle-master-build-maemo/build/puzzle-master": could not open as an executable file: Invalid bfd target | 21:11 |
| makulkar | DocScrutinizer, flashed rnd image things working fine again | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I never heard of rnd image | 21:12 |
| vi_ | does anyone here know anything about perl on the n900? | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi_: 10GB for sure isn't rootfs, if it comes to N900 maemo | 21:13 |
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| Venemo | vi_: rootfs is 256 MB afaik | 21:14 |
| vi_ | oh | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I guess you'll tell us WTH it is | 21:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even less, maybe 248 | 21:15 |
| vi_ | well i have 10gb omthing | 21:15 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: that's what Qt Creator tells me when I try debugging on N900 | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's other MTD partitions, for kernel, CAL, etc | 21:15 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: but I don't know why - it worked before | 21:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NFC | 21:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | key is ""Reading debug information failed:"" | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | try `file /home/Timur/Projects/colorful-apps/puzzle-master-build-maemo/build/puzzle-master` | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | vi_: I have 160GB something, just not on rootfs of N900 | 21:18 |
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| andrius | hi, can anybody explain how to fix "E: Handler silently failed" issue | 21:19 |
| andrius | or work around it | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# df -h / | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rootfs 227.9M 154.4M 69.3M 69% / | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | andrius: no | 21:20 |
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| franz_ | [13:37] < DocScrutinizer> franz_: or exec=sh -c 'SHELLVAR=val binary' | 21:20 |
| franz_ | thanks | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 21:20 |
| andrius | what exactly does that error message mean? | 21:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NFC | 21:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | If it shows up on my TV, it might mean I had too much cheap tequila the night before | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | but maybe you can tell me what means "Sorry, your request can't be handled due to technical problems" | 21:23 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: the result is http://fpaste.org/iRhc/ | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: are you sure this is supposed to be a ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV) ? Not maybe an ARM binary? | 21:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I.E maybe the debugger expects an ARM binary | 21:28 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, if I put my SIM in a 3G modem, will I be charged extra? | 21:30 |
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| franz_ | there isn't a way for them to figure out, unless you use way more data than usual | 21:31 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: well this is an ARM executable that the crosscompiler creates | 21:31 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: just data rates | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, so it's the same as for example, using mobilehotspot? | 21:32 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: data is just data, as far as the operator is concerned | 21:32 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, was just wondering since mobiles don't dial a number | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: http://old.nabble.com/Invalid-bfd-target-td1133013.html http://www.google.de/search?q=Invalid+bfd+target | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | but 3G modems do (and on that note, how do I know what number I should dial?) | 21:33 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: mobiles do that too (they use their modem the same way), it's just done in the background. DocScrutinizer should know better if I'm not correct about this | 21:34 |
| Sicelo | MohammadAG: usually it's #777 | 21:34 |
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| trx | im using QTabWigdet in my app and have some trouble with its close button (on the tab buttons), there isnt a "X" picture but something else | 21:34 |
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| trx | i found a way to change that via stylesheets, but i cant seem to find from where should i load the "X" picture that is currently in use? | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: your phone *is* a 3G modem | 21:35 |
| trx | (for other stuff, like app close button) | 21:35 |
| trx | any idea? | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yes, but I don't see it asking for a number | 21:36 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: the weird thing is that I don't compile this myself. Qt Creator does. | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | where does it get the number? | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: this is some defacto standard | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, and why do USB 3G modems not implement it? | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | in e.g windows setup you still can edit the number, iirc it's *99# by default | 21:36 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: *99# is GPRS | 21:37 |
| Venemo | yes, it's *99# here too. | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: umm yes | 21:37 |
| Venemo | Sicelo: it works with HSDPA too | 21:38 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah, it's *99# here too | 21:38 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: Nokia basically stores the relevant settings for each operator in every country in their phones. this is why it automagically knows | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, that's not possible | 21:38 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: also there's probably some setting to change it somewhere | 21:38 |
| Sicelo | oh, I never knew that. thanks | 21:38 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: not possible? | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | what if a new operator's out? | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | you only need the access point name, the username and pass | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: on e.g. N900 you don't need to issue a 'number' as the way the cmt works is well known | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | and it works automatically | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | so 'number' can get hardcoded | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so basically, it always dials *99#? | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: *99# is no real number, it's a command to the cmt | 21:40 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ah | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | GPRS is not a Circuit Switched Data cnnection. But you *could* probably establish such a 'call' alike data connection to arbitrary far ends, by dialing a real number | 21:41 |
| Trewas | everytime I have started to use a new phone or changed SIM to another one, the operator has sent a few SMS messages automagically which include some settings, no idea which ones though | 21:41 |
| Trewas | and there is /etc/operator_settings in n900 which seems relevant | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | those contain APN, user, and pw | 21:42 |
| jacekowski | i think n900 has all settings already in | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | see Trewas ^^^ | 21:42 |
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| jacekowski | anybody on base in belgium | 21:43 |
| jacekowski | is data roaming in france free | 21:43 |
| jacekowski | as in included | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, that'd be amazing news | 21:43 |
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| jacekowski | well | 21:43 |
| jacekowski | i' connected now to f sfr base | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | data roaming either doesn't work at all, or a minute cost more than gold | 21:44 |
| jacekowski | and i have data here | 21:44 |
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| jacekowski | just got asked to allow data roaming | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | my condolescences, you're already broke | 21:44 |
| jacekowski | it's prepqaid | 21:44 |
| jacekowski | and i had 5euro on it | 21:44 |
| jacekowski | i can afford to waste that | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, don't get misunderstood, carriers manage to charge you on prepaid as well :-P | 21:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | suddenly your account is at 5000$ debit, and they know where to find you X-P | 21:46 |
| jacekowski | well o've seen vodafone add | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, roaming on a payg card been never heard to work | 21:47 |
| jacekowski | where they were saying something about free roaming | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at least for data | 21:47 |
| jacekowski | well | 21:47 |
| jacekowski | it's working for me | 21:47 |
| jacekowski | unless lille is in belgium | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG | <jacekowski> i think n900 has all settings already in | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm yeah, for like 50ct/min | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG | except Orange JO | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can bet on Orange * settings | 21:49 |
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| jacekowski | besides if it's same operator then they can afford to give you free/cheap data roaming | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd be surprised to find then using different APN etc specifically in JO | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: as mentioned above, that'd be new and exciting | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe apple manages to push carriers to do that eventually | 21:51 |
| jacekowski | well i' in france with belgian sim and i'm still talking to you | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | check your balance | 21:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *111# or sth like that | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, IL Orange is not Orange | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it might actually show -30$ by now | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | it's Partners Communications LTD | 21:52 |
| jacekowski | impossible | 21:52 |
| jacekowski | unless belgium staryed using dollars in last couple minutes | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 21:53 |
| jacekowski | how to check ballance on base? | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | no base here, they are crap in Germany | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | status info 1155 | 21:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | voice call | 21:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | charge = *104# | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | so maybe this is query as well | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | charge = *104#<chargenumber># | 21:56 |
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| jacekowski | nope | 21:56 |
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| jacekowski | unknown application | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | try *#104#, *111#, *100# | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but all this doesn't work while roaming | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so your only bet is to dial home (+CC carrier-code 1155) | 21:58 |
| Venemo | achipa: allow me one more question. I see that I can use icons from http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/ea47d047-431c-4de8-92a6-dbcc799757ff/Maemo_5_Icon_List_v1_0_en.zip.html in my app, but can I use them even if my app isn't for Maemo 5? | 21:58 |
| Venemo | achipa: I mean, can I use the icons on other platforms? | 21:58 |
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| nox- | moin | 21:59 |
| javispedro | morning | 21:59 |
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| jacekowski | 0.41 euro left | 22:00 |
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| nox- | moin javispedro | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: http://www.base.de/Mobiles-Internet/Mein-BASE-Internet-Flatrates.aspx | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe base.be for you | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.base.be/fr/base-welkom-bienvenue-welcome?redirect= | 22:02 |
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| makulkar | DocScrutinizer, how to take screenshot of maemo device? any short cut/software for that? | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ctrl-shift-P | 22:04 |
| javispedro | then look at Images folder (not Camera) | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 22:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | makulkar: then there's also the screenshot function in load-applet, to be found in system-menu (click on clock, then select camera from the menu) | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but that's somewhat clumsy, and only advantage is it triggers either auto after 20s (configurable afaik) or on pressing cam button | 22:08 |
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| makulkar | DocScrutinizer, i have to report bug and need screen shot.. tried ctrl-shift-p dont see any images in gallery | 22:09 |
| makulkar | DocScrutinizer, will try the second one now | 22:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thanks to transitions you sometimes see a shadow of the yellow notifier telling you about this, in the screenshot :-P | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | makulkar: I'd in images folder, as javispedro mentioned | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's* | 22:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gallery isn't updated for every screenshot, so it might take quite some time until trackerd considers to rescan | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | makulkar: workaround: take a picture with cam, so gallery gets updated. This should make tracker find the screenshot as well | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | or enter "file:///home/user/MyDocs/.images" to microb URL | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | search for screenshotXX.png there | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | hooray for microb, the better HFM :-P | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even knows how to display .png ;-D | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and knows about / !! \o/ | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | a pitty you can't copy or edit or delete files in microb ;-) | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | for all other aspects it's a magnitude better than HFM for browsing file hierachy - IMHO | 22:19 |
| wazd | oh my god, new gizmodo design cries "we're apple fanboys!" :) | 22:22 |
| javispedro | not to mention it is a usability nightmare.. | 22:22 |
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| javispedro | and also follows what I'm going to call Engadget's law | 22:23 |
| wazd | unfortunatelly, apple.com has already moved to the next step :) | 22:23 |
| javispedro | when the current generation's Nokia Tablet device is fast enough to load the current Engadget's CSS, Javascript, and rest of crap in reasonable time, Engadget moves on. | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ops, for me it's even file:///home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/Screenshot_xxxxx_yyyyy.png | 22:23 |
| javispedro | ("moves on" as in: exponentially increases the size of the CSS, the Javascript and the images) | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | makulkar: ^ for me it's even file:///home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/Screenshot_xxxxx_yyyyy.png | 22:24 |
| wazd | javispedro: website that looks like a white page with javascript turned off - pathetic crap | 22:24 |
| makulkar | DocScrutinizer, nope dont see it there either. May be harminttan has different location? | 22:25 |
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| javispedro | wazd: so truer. | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | possible | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even clear if harmattan has that ctrl-shift-p shortcut | 22:25 |
| makulkar | DocScrutinizer, hmm took a pic from camera dont see even that file in above path :) | 22:25 |
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| makulkar | but i see in gallery | 22:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :nod: so find out how to convince fsckng gallery to tell you about true full pathname | 22:26 |
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| makulkar | DocScrutinizer, found the captured image but i guess screenshot short cut doesnt work | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahahahaha hrhrhr, opened picture in galery, menu, "save as" ----> galery frozen - hildon: "doesn't react, kill?" | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | makulkar: take screeshot, take picture, `find / -mmin 10 -ls` | 22:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (you'll probably need *real* find for that, not messybox crap) | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | should yield all files modified last ten minutes | 22:33 |
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| crashanddie_ | i'm so bummed :( | 22:33 |
| makulkar | unrecognized -mmin | 22:33 |
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| crashanddie_ | My 2nd (out of the 3) ps3s died on me | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 22:34 |
| crashanddie_ | blueray drive is dead, again | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~messybox | 22:34 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 22:34 |
| crashanddie_ | I contacted Sony | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: :-( | 22:34 |
| crashanddie_ | They're willing to replace it, even though it's out of warranty, if I have the proof of purchase, which I don't | 22:34 |
| crashanddie_ | I contacted the store | 22:35 |
| crashanddie_ | they can find the proof of purchase, provided I give an exact date, exact amount (got that), type of purchase (cash, credit, etc), a rough hour, and 50 euros | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | makulkar: apt-get install findutils-gnu ;-) | 22:36 |
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| crashanddie_ | which is just proposterous | 22:36 |
| crashanddie_ | and if they don't find it, I don't get to keep the 50 euros | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | I'd buy a BD drive | 22:36 |
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| MohammadAG | it's piss easy to assemble | 22:37 |
| jacekowski | back in england | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: send 50$ worth in glycerine trinitrate | 22:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err EUR | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | when my drive died, they wanted to send it to the US to be fixed | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | shipping costs on me | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | so I said fuck it and bought a drive off ebay | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | "free shipping" I suppose :-D | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | hah | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | can't actually remember, but it turned out cheaper | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | and disassembly's easy | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet | 22:40 |
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| MohammadAG | the ribbons are cool | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | you just have to raise a plastic piece, then slide the ribbon out | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | FPC I guess | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, FPC | 22:40 |
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| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: on the slim? | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | slims use SATA I think | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | though I never disassembled a slim | 22:41 |
| crashanddie_ | well, there's this one guy who claims he found how to fix it | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | phats use a proprietary ribbon | 22:41 |
| crashanddie_ | it appears to be just a simple plastic slider that can get stuck out of their shaft | 22:41 |
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| crashanddie_ | tbh, I'd rather get it replaced, I've given Sony over a grand just in PS3's, and probably *a lot* more in games | 22:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer can't say he's actually axcious to see harmattan coming | 22:43 | |
| crashanddie_ | I'm not axcious either | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | anxious* | 22:43 |
| crashanddie_ | well, depends, what's axcious? | 22:43 |
| crashanddie_ | I've bought over 40 games ever since the ps3 came out, maybe I'm just using them too much? | 22:44 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: have you been following the homebrew scene? | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, not much, went to OFW the other day | 22:46 |
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| MohammadAG | can someone check something for me? | 23:43 |
| ieatlint | what's that? | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG | open modest, go to some folder, tap the title bar, select move message, tap any message and click move | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG | what does the dialog button say? | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG | you can select any message, you're cancelling the dialog after all | 23:44 |
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| anidel | "New" | 23:49 |
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| MohammadAG | anidel, thanks | 23:52 |
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| anidel | you're welcome | 23:52 |
| pronto | the SMS box needs spell check D: | 23:55 |
| Sc0rpius | what does it say | 23:55 |
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