IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-02-08

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Venemohey again00:02
Venemoalterego: ping00:03
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Venemoalterego: I looked at you Maemo5ToolButton source and made something similar, although I didn't make a subclass for it00:13
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Venemoalterego: however the code that removes the border also removes the background when pressed... :(00:15
Venemoalterego: it's setStyleSheet("QToolButton {border: none}");00:15
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Venemoalterego: without this, there's an annoying border around it00:15
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trumeewhat is the recommended/most used twitter app on N900?00:22
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Robot101trumee: tweego is nice00:25
trumeeRobot101: thanks. will try that out00:25
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trumeeRobot101: was that sip MWI code useful at all?00:26
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Robot101I gave it to our sip guy but he's been working on some other stuff atm00:27
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trumeeRobot101: ok, like improving this bug #10388 :p00:30
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem?00:30
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Robot101trumee: no, that's be an rtp guy00:32
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lardmanevening chaps00:33
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trumeeRobot101: rtp guy= olivier?00:34
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lardmanI'm guessing it is possible, but can one get keypresses from /dev/input?/* directly?00:51
lardmane.g. in a shell script named init ;)00:51
javispedroyes, but from a shell script might no be that easy00:52
SpeedEvildd to pull out 16 byte chunks. hmm.00:52
lardmanhmm00:52
SpeedEvilI think you can pull key up/down events.00:52
SpeedEvilusing dd00:52
lardmanso I need to read 16 byte chunks basically?00:53
SpeedEvilbut then mapping them to chars will be hard00:53
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SpeedEvilthe /dev/input/* are in 16 byte chunks with event structures00:53
SpeedEvilwhich have timestamps and shizzle.00:53
javispedroyou might /dev/console instead00:53
javispedro*want00:53
lardmanbut /dev/console won't be accepting input at that point will it?00:54
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lardmanor does it automatically receive keypresses during boot?00:54
javispedrowell, there's a way the first shell gets its keypresses :)00:54
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SpeedEvilActually - seems to be 48 bytes00:55
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lardmanjavispedro: yeah, but it probably opens the /dev files00:56
SpeedEvilk00002c10  7c 78 50 4d fa 7f 0b 00  04 00 04 00 25 00 00 00  ||xPMú.......%...|00:56
SpeedEvil00002c20  7c 78 50 4d 08 80 0b 00  01 00 25 00 00 00 00 00  ||xPM......%.....|00:56
SpeedEvil00002c30  7c 78 50 4d 0b 80 0b 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  ||xPM............|00:56
SpeedEvilkeyup of a k00:56
SpeedEvilthe % is the k00:56
lardmanhmm00:56
javispedrolardman: nah, a shell will never read /dev/input/* directly00:56
SpeedEvilI think00:56
lardmanstdin then?00:56
javispedrostdin points to /dev/console00:56
lardmanor is console read write?00:56
lardmanok00:56
SpeedEvilsomething hooks the shell to the console00:56
javispedroyep, it's a tty00:56
lardmanbut I'll have the same issue I guess that I need to read from it somehow00:57
SpeedEvili'm unsure if the shell will read the console normally00:57
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lardmanI'll explain what I want to do, might make life easier and you may have a better suggestion:00:57
MohammadAGlardman, whatcha hacking around with? :)00:57
SpeedEvilreading the accel fromshell is a doddle.00:58
lardmanGalaxy Tab, I've changed init to look for a btrfs partition on the external SD or a vfat partition + meego.img ext2 loop file, but sometimes I would like to just boot Android without needing to remove the uSD card00:58
SpeedEvilI have half a script to do this.00:58
SpeedEvilIf one way up, do one thing00:58
SpeedEvilif the other, do another00:58
lardman:)00:58
lardmanpresumably the eventX device returns different data for that then?00:59
lardmanas on the Tab the accelerometer is mapped to an eventX device afair00:59
SpeedEvilread x y z < /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord00:59
SpeedEvilif [[ $z -lt -800 ]]00:59
MohammadAGlardman, isn't there some GPIO device?01:00
MohammadAGlike a keylock switch, camera cover, keyboard, etc01:00
SpeedEvilyeah - that too.01:00
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* SpeedEvil wonders why mbarcode is segfaulting on open camera.01:01
lardmanthere's an on/off switch, a vol up, vol down, and some touchscreen buttons which seem to work and are apparently mapped to an eventX dev01:01
SpeedEvilOh - this was a tab question?01:01
* lardman also wonders at SpeedEvil's problem01:01
* javispedro messed his xorg =)01:01
SpeedEvillardman: I have way too much stuff installed.01:01
MohammadAGfind /sys -name state01:01
MohammadAGif android has those01:02
lardmanwhat does that look for?01:02
lardmanstate files?01:02
* lardman goes to find the Tab, hang on a tick01:02
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MohammadAGgpio devices usually have a state file01:02
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MohammadAGindicating "open" or "closed"01:03
lardmanre01:03
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lardmanso I have some gpio state files01:05
lardmanand some graphics state files01:05
lardmannone of which look like likely suspects01:05
lardmangpio-keys... hmm01:07
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lardmanhmm ok, I'll do some shell script experimentation to see what these random gpio dirs refer to01:08
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lardman~curse the Android devs who decided that Tab wouldn't be accepted by the shell01:10
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, the Android devs who decided that Tab wouldn't be accepted by the shell !01:10
lardmanhmm, perhaps a step up, not a good curse01:10
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* pahartik has noticed that "Fennec beta 4" is otherwise good but does not have "double tap element width zoom" anymore01:12
* ieatlint acknowledges the observation01:13
nox-hm fennec no longer `eats ram like candy'?01:13
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lardmanhmm, how long does package promotion actually take?01:14
lardman-devel to -testing01:15
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lardmanA package can have a single maintainer and multiple uploaders I understand, are all these listed people able to promote said package?01:17
MohammadAGif they're listed in the maintainer section in maemo.org/packages, yes01:18
pahartiknox-: I have not noticed such with "Fennec beta 3" or "Fennec beta 4", but then again... Browsers I use never load images by default or execute "application/javascript"... Proxy even strips "script" -elements out from documents01:18
lardmanI thought the maintainer field could only have one person01:18
lardman?01:18
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pahartikieatlint: Has that feature fallen out by accident or is it disabled by purpose?01:19
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ieatlintno clue01:20
leftrighthey guys01:20
lardmanurgh, /me looks at the 06.28 train he needs to catch on Wed01:20
leftrightIve got n900, any idea what opengl version it supports01:22
leftrightis it 2.0 or ES01:22
lardmanes 2.0 afair01:22
ieatlintlardman: i can sympathise.. i have to get up at 7am every day this week, drive 45 miles and then stare at slides for 8 hours01:22
ieatlintbut they do give me mediocre coffee01:23
lardmanieatlint: /me feels pain at the 8hours of slide staring01:23
lardmanlol01:23
lardmanI have to go to a 2hr meeting, and it will take be the best part of 3.5h to get there01:23
ieatlint:(01:23
lardmanthey don't pay enough these days to drive and that would take at least 2.5h01:23
lardmanat least I can do some work on the train01:24
ieatlinttomorrow i have to do a conference call for an hour before the 8h of slides, and then meet my boss for dinner afterwards01:24
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lardmanlong day01:24
ieatlintcapitalism sucks01:24
lardmandepends where you sit the chain I guess01:24
lardman:)01:24
lardmansit in the chain that should have been01:24
ieatlinthaha, yeah01:24
lardmannot thinking about choking people01:25
ieatlinti'm kinda thinking about strangling people actually01:25
lardmanstrangling is better than choking, comes on more gradually and is less uncomfortable so they won't realise you;re doing it01:25
lardman;)01:25
ieatlintnot always true01:26
kodomojavispedro: out of interest: you probably didn't happen to have the drivers packaged for the DisplayLink setup, did you? I've bought myself one... :P (or a more detailed howto? :) )01:26
lardmanieatlint: really, how so?01:26
ieatlintstrangle is just an act... it doesn't really describe how violent the act is01:26
javispedrokodomo: no, no way to sanely package the entire thing, as it's basically Xorg (Xvnc).01:26
ieatlinti can violently strangle someone with a chain, for example01:27
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lardmanno, strangle is cutting off the blood supply, while choking is cutting off the air supply01:27
ieatlintthat is, if i weren't a weak geek i could01:27
lardmanis less uncomfortable to have your bloody supply cut off than your air supply01:27
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ieatlinti think a practical demonstration is required here01:28
* javispedro wonders if he just entered a alternate reality01:28
javispedrois this the alternate universe's #maemo evil twin channel?01:28
lardmanlol01:28
ieatlint:P01:29
javispedromaemo: use it. or die. with a chain.01:29
ieatlintjust come out for the meego conference and i'll show you which one of me is the real one01:29
lardmanwell it is a slightly strange conversation; I do Aikido though, and was practising chokes and strangles the other day, hence my interest01:29
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lardmanthat's killed the conversation, probably strangled as there were no last gasps, let's move on :)01:31
kodomojavispedro: ic - so I guess that you had to compile the mentioned parts yourself in the SDK? Was it rather straightforward, or were there pitfalls, I should know of when I'll try to reproduce it? ;)01:31
javispedroyou're the second one to ask... .I don't remember any pitfalls. Then again, the first one who asked never came back, maybe the pitfall is that Xorg is volatile or something...01:31
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kodomohm :-|01:32
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kodomojavispedro: thx for the answer - let's see whether I can figure it out...01:36
javispedroyou might want to start with something simpler01:37
javispedrox11vnc (already packaged)01:37
javispedrothen vnc2dl01:37
javispedro( http://libdlo.freedesktop.org/wiki/vnc2dl )01:37
javispedrodo not expect video or games performance, but it works ok for office use.01:39
kodomothat's what I intend it for ;)01:39
kodomowon't I need to compile libdlo before vnc2dl, or is it contained in vnc2dl?01:40
javispedroyes01:40
javispedroer01:40
javispedrolibdlo first.01:40
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javispedrothat came with a nice test app.01:40
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kodomoTAck - will try (will take time, though - I'm still waiting for some adapter, and I've got to reinstall the SDK :P )01:46
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lardmannight all02:33
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DocScrutinizero/02:33
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jonwilMy N900 is fully working and set up again after being replaced by Nokia Care. YAY.04:30
jonwilNow I can start some real development on the thing :)04:30
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SpeedEvilWoo!04:33
SpeedEvilWas the board swapped?04:33
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lucentcongrats on progress w/ Nokia Care, jonwil04:38
jonwilThey claim in their notes that it was a complete handset replacement04:38
jonwili.e. a new handset04:38
jonwilnot a repair04:38
lucentwhat ill did you experience with the former?04:39
lucentp.s. my question to the peanut gallery here:  How do I successfully set up Nokia SDK to compile extra kernel modules (from in-tree kernel sources) for N900?04:42
SpeedEviljonwil: what did you do to it again?04:42
lucentthere's a USB to serial port driver in-tree that I want04:42
jonwilThe indicator LED was busted04:43
jonwilWhy they replaced the handset and didnt do a flexboard replacement only Nokia knows04:43
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Paulyomg did you hear Flash 9 is avalible for n90006:31
wmaroneomg06:31
Paulyomgggg06:31
Paulylol06:31
Paulyanything exciting going on in the maemo world?06:32
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Paulymy n900 only overclocks to 850mhz06:33
Paulyso sad06:33
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johnxPauly, That story about the guy killing his N900 by overclocking was exciting :)06:35
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Paulyis that the new thing on the bulletin thing on the irc06:36
johnxyeah, the last thing in the /topic06:36
Paulyhey whats a good setting06:36
johnxfor overclocking?06:37
Paulyfor overclock ideal then up to 85006:37
johnxa good setting is default06:37
johnxit's the one that leaves your warranty intact06:37
Paulyi have none bought it usedddd for $36006:37
johnxah, well default is still the one that Nokia tested to be stable06:38
Paulyi wish it could go to 100006:38
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johnxok. I wish it had a built in shrink ray06:39
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Paulyhey what spmething cool to do with the n900 thats easy to install cause im lazy today something like OMG06:40
Paulyim so lazy that when i use irc i use the freenode webchat in browser06:41
johnxinstall xchat. you'll OMG06:41
Paulynahh it dosent feel right on n90006:42
Ken-Youngdelete the root file system, you'll OMG06:43
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Paulylol06:43
Paulyone time i deleted all the fonts exept the nokia one06:43
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MrBawbconfigure ipv6 so you can view a dancing turtle .gif, you'll OMG06:43
johnxactually, I'm trying to get the 'xbox 360 remote app' working06:44
johnxtry that. maybe it'll work better for you06:44
Paulyi have tmobile isnt there a beta for that?06:44
MrBawbyeah, tmobile has a beta for ipv6 over gprs06:44
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Paulyany difference06:44
Paulyin speed06:45
MrBawbmore dancing turtle .gifs?06:45
MrBawbno speed difference06:45
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Paulyplaying with the sdk on pc is soo cool everything loads so quick06:45
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Paulyqueen beacon looks like it would take forever to set up06:46
MrBawbin fact, ipv6 is probably slower due to less investment in it06:47
Paulywhy is there always alot of idle ppl on irc?06:47
wmaronebecause it's easy06:47
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johnxso that people can leave me messages and so I can catch up on what I missed later06:47
johnxalso: because we're better at being lazy than you :D06:48
Paulyi never understodd like theres 990980759 ppl but 3 ppl chat06:48
Paulybut now i get it06:48
johnxDon't you just leave your IM client and email app open?06:49
Paulykills battery and i got a wife so dont chat wit no106:50
Paulybrb istalled kernel power06:51
johnx1) get a desktop or server 2) I don't think having a wife necessarily precludes chatting ...06:51
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pauly_i back06:54
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pauly_whats fun app!06:55
johnxpower kernel?06:55
johnxor xchat06:55
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pauly_huh?06:56
pauly_whats a nice fun app06:56
johnxaah, I thought you said "what a fun app"06:56
johnx<- monday06:56
pauly_uh huh06:56
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pauly_i ahve no customuzation skills06:58
DocScrutinizer51moo06:59
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pauly_heyyy Doc!07:00
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johnxm00f DocScrutinizer07:00
DocScrutinizerthought it's Tuesday07:01
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pauly_did u haar about the n91007:01
DocScrutinizerhmm maybe westcost07:01
DocScrutinizermope07:02
Ken-YoungEast coast US too.07:02
DocScrutinizermeh, coffee first07:02
pauly_omg its like an internet tablet with a phone07:02
DocScrutinizerNY 00:02 says my clock07:03
DocScrutinizerwaaaah too early07:03
Ken-YoungYup07:03
derfYour clock is a minute slow.07:03
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johnxDocScrutinizer, still monday here07:03
johnxpauly_, nah, the N950 is where it's at07:03
pauly_ive used the fcam so mich that i forgot how nice the default is07:04
johnxit has built-in antigravity, and it's powered by a micro-singularity07:04
pauly_i suck at typing07:04
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pauly_anyone like hondas!07:04
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johnxpauly_, yeah. good lawnmowers. I think I heard they were gonna make cars at some point ... ?07:05
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pauly_lol07:05
pauly_hows twimgo is it released yet?07:06
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DocScrutinizern, my typing to slow07:11
DocScrutinizerno*07:11
DocScrutinizernot my clock a minute late07:11
DocScrutinizerno, my typing is too slow07:12
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johnxWTH are you doing up at this unfortunate hour?07:17
pauly_i tired07:17
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DocScrutinizermhm, Tom Mesch, Amazon, lab12607:35
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DocScrutinizer.oO(??!#@zzZZzz)07:36
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DocScrutinizerMUHAHA ""Adds By Google: Arnazon Online Shop"" (sic!)07:40
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mecehello hello09:51
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mecehttp://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/myriad-announces-alien-dalvik-enables-android-apps-to-run-on-non-android-phones-115540194.html09:56
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meceok so...10:02
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mece"Myriad Alien Dalvik will be commercially available later this year on  the MeeGo platform."10:05
mece"Alien Dalvik will be demonstrated for the first time on the Nokia  N900 at this year’s Mobile World Congress in Barcelona from February  14th-17th"10:05
mecevery interesting :)10:06
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jonwilTime to start working on libicd_policy_log.so (logs calls made to the libicd policy plugins)10:31
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jonwilanyone here know anything about gconf?10:34
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JaffaMorning, all10:46
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jonwilhi jaffa10:48
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* jonwil has become ultra-paranoid about his N900 after it has been replaced10:49
jonwilDon't want to have to take it back to Nokia Care10:49
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meceJaffa, morning10:50
jonwilstill cant figure out these gconf config files10:50
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meceJaffa, android apps on n900 news today :) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6949210:51
* jonwil doesn't want to go editing things willy-nilly and stuff things up10:51
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Jaffamece: Thanks :-)10:53
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trx2i found info about ath9k drivers here, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=commitdiff;h=729073b9166bc974869bae0bfdab9840cac8f99d11:36
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trx2does that mean that kernel-power has them, or do i need to compile?11:36
trx2is that a reference to a driver or what?11:37
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chem|sttrx2: are you looking for meego netbook?11:39
chem|stguten morgen jörg11:40
trx2no11:40
chem|sttrx2: what for are you looking into ath9k then?11:41
trx2i need an ath9k driver for my usb wireless card11:41
trx2so i can use it with the n90011:41
chem|stvia usb?!11:41
trx2but i cant find one anywhere11:41
trx2yes, via usb11:41
FauxFauxWhat's wrong with the built-in wireless, ooi?11:41
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chem|stFauxFaux: that's what I thought first11:42
trx2i need to be able to connect external antenna11:42
chem|sttrx2: you have a bgn usb-dongle then?11:42
* SpeedEvil would love a little jack for antenna.11:42
FauxFauxThe headphone socket is basically an antenna jack.11:42
SpeedEvilGSM,GPS, bluetooth, wifi, FMtx, fmrx.11:42
SpeedEvil6 jacks then.11:42
trx2yes11:43
SpeedEvilFauxFaux: only FMRX11:43
SpeedEvilFauxFaux: there are good reasons it won't work with the others alas.11:43
chem|stSpeedEvil: mod the antenna... it is simple as that11:43
SpeedEvilFauxFaux: Even neglecting the fact that it's not setup to.11:43
FauxFauxMy headphones cause a significant increase in mobile reception.11:43
trx2does anyone know where/how i might  i find an ath9k driver for maemo?11:43
SpeedEvilFauxFaux: that's not intentional.11:43
jacekowskitrx2: nowhere11:43
FauxFauxPLACEBO EFFECT.11:43
jacekowskitrx2: afaik firmware is x86 only11:44
chem|sttrx2: build the module your own11:44
SpeedEvilI compiled a module ages ago, using gcc on-device, and it seemed to work.11:44
trx2hmm, so it is possible to compile?11:44
trx2ill look into it then11:45
trx2i found a src but couldnt compile in scratchbox11:45
trx2ill try on the phone11:45
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: bt/wifi has an test connector11:48
Corsacjacekowski: that doesn't make any sense11:49
Corsacjacekowski: firmware runs on the card cpu (which I guess is mips or arm)11:49
jacekowskinot on some cards11:49
jacekowskisome cards use host cpu to do some calculations for them11:49
jacekowskibut as SpeedEvil it's not the case in this case11:50
DocScrutinizer51softmac11:50
jacekowskiintel ipw cards used to do that11:50
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DocScrutinizer51aiui the N900 is fullmac11:50
Corsacjacekowski: yes but host cpu doesn't run firmware11:51
jacekowskiwell, binary blog11:52
jacekowskiwhatever you want to call it11:52
jacekowskiblob*11:52
DocScrutinizer51yes, n900 has fullmac aka hardmac, means there's a fw binary uploaded to 'card' embedded cpu11:53
Corsaceven with softmac there are firmwares though11:54
Corsacbut those still run on the card11:54
DocScrutinizer51depends11:54
jacekowskithere is lot of different implementations11:54
jacekowskias i said11:54
jacekowskiintel cards run binary blob on host cpu11:54
jacekowskiused to11:54
Corsacdo you have sources for that?11:54
Corsacbecause afair the driver, it doesn't do that11:55
DocScrutinizer51anyway, maemo kernel has no closed source driver for wlan afaik11:55
psycho_oreoswl1251 is softmac11:55
psycho_oreosintel cards have firmware (ucode) sitting on computers nowadays11:56
psycho_oreostrx2, you could probably compile your own kernel with compat-wireless ontop, that'll give you ath9k support or better if you use latter versions of compat-wireless11:57
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SpeedEvilA _large_ fraction of OEM cards come with a binary blob that needs to go on the local host11:59
SpeedEvilThe local host does all the WPA and login and stuff11:59
SpeedEviland the card is just a radio.11:59
SpeedEvilOEM wifi modules, rather.11:59
Corsacdo you have specific driver in mind?12:00
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jacekowskiintel for example12:00
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psycho_oreosthe cards these days yes but the portion of the binary blob remains fairly small, its either firmware or ucode mainly. Atheros doesn't use either these days, albeit they had HAL12:02
trx2psycho_oreos cant i compile just the ath9k driver from compat wireless? (compiling the kernel is a bit too complicated atm as im fairly new to linux)12:03
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psycho_oreostrx2, no you can't you need to compile the driver plus the framework. You may as well compile the kernel because of the changes you make may differ. However, you can in theory use maemo's kernel source which is basically the linux source + patches for n900 + kconfig12:04
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Corsacjacekowski: intel firmwarse are loaded in *card* memory/cpu12:04
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psycho_oreosfor wireless? doubt it12:05
Corsacthen read the code?12:05
Corsachttp://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.37/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-agn.c#L205412:05
trx2then i guess ill need a backup image of the phone and prepare my n900 to be bricked quite a few times :)12:06
psycho_oreosthat's the norm when you want to tinker with hostmode12:07
psycho_oreosmaking it support for fancy things12:07
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trx2yeah12:07
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jacekowskiCorsac: yes and no12:08
trx2psycho_oreos but what is that code about in the link i provided?12:09
jacekowskiCorsac: intel has firmware running on card cpu12:09
jacekowskiCorsac: but they have binary blob running on host cpu as well12:09
psycho_oreoshttp://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.37/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-dev.h#L1294 <--- looks like it still requires ucode for firmware to be loaded onto the card12:09
trx2i mentions ath9k sveral times12:09
trx2it*12:09
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Corsacjacekowski: do you have pointer on those binary blobs?12:10
jacekowskihttp://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/12:10
jacekowskifor example that12:10
jacekowskinow that driver is replaced by open source iwl12:11
Corsacwell, yes12:11
jacekowskiand it's all done nicely in driver12:11
Corsacsince quite a long time even12:11
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Corsacand it's a *driver* not a *firmware*12:11
psycho_oreostrx2, those maybe for 2.6.28 patches, you do also realise that ath9k doesn't work with atheros USB based devices?12:11
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trx2yeah, its something like atk9k_htc12:12
DocScrutinizer51psycho_oreos: wl1251 is softmac? duh!12:12
jacekowskiCorsac: i said binary blob12:12
Corsacyou said firmware :)12:12
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer51: vodafone offers europe roaming for £2/day12:13
Corsac[10:44:03] (jacekowski): trx2: afaik firmware is x86 only12:13
jacekowski10:52 < jacekowski> well, binary blog12:13
jacekowski10:52 < jacekowski> whatever you want to call it12:13
jacekowski10:52 < jacekowski> blob*12:13
psycho_oreostrx2, its either that or ar9170/carl917012:13
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer51, thanks for pointing out again the obvious :)12:13
trx2ok, ill look into it12:13
trx2ty12:14
DocScrutinizer51psycho_oreos: eh???12:14
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psycho_oreostrx2, and also ath9k_htc isn't available for 2.6.28 :)12:14
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer51, I was commenting on what someone said about it being fullmac but maybe I misread12:14
DocScrutinizer51psycho_oreos: sorry, you completely lost me during offense12:16
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trx2psycho_oreos that means what exactly, that it cant be used at all or ?12:17
psycho_oreos<DocScrutinizer51> aiui the N900 is fullmac | yes, n900 has fullmac aka hardmac, means there's a fw binary uploaded to 'card' embedded cpu <--- that :)12:18
psycho_oreostrx2, with stock kernel no, with compat-wireless yes12:18
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psycho_oreosthen again the lines between what is meant to be a fullmac versus a softmac is really blurry, in the past fullmacs never required fw files to be sitting on the host and needs to be loaded everytime the machine wants to use it. Now it seems as though the firmwares needs to be loaded12:20
psycho_oreossounds too much like softmac to me :P12:20
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jacekowskiwell, so what if card would have firmware in it's internal flash chip12:20
jacekowskiyou don't have to load it every time == fullmac?12:20
psycho_oreosinternal flash chip which can hold the firmware was fullmac. softmacs were the ones that had smaller memory and thus cannot have firmware stored directly on the device itself12:21
psycho_oreose.g. look at hermes I/II and prism2/2.512:22
jacekowskiso what if you would have softmac card12:22
psycho_oreospower saving issues12:22
jacekowskiand do nothing to it except add flash to it12:22
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psycho_oreossoftMACs aren't exactly good at power saving compared to fullMACs12:23
psycho_oreoswell they weren't12:23
psycho_oreosthat was the case12:23
jacekowskiwell, you need more resources to do softmac anyways12:23
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psycho_oreosyeah its more host dependent with softmacs12:23
psycho_oreosiirc ath6k is a fullMAC, suffered a big blow for its feeble support under linux12:25
psycho_oreosthose were fitted on devices like OM freerunner12:25
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DocScrutinizer[2011-02-08 10:55:35] <psycho_oreos> wl1251 is softmac12:27
DocScrutinizerso what now? are you right, am I, or is it simply that N900 has no wl1251?12:28
DocScrutinizeranyway I don't see how I'm stating the obvious, while you claim the exact opposite12:28
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, N900 does have wl125112:28
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psycho_oreosI claim its softmac, you agreed I said that someone said (when I later on pointed at you) stated the opposite. I'm not going to go into lengthy heated discussion.12:30
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DocScrutinizerI agreed on what?12:33
DocScrutinizerwell, if you call that agreeing: [2011-02-08 11:12:49] <DocScrutinizer51> psycho_oreos: wl1251 is softmac? duh!12:33
DocScrutinizeror even "stating the obvious"12:33
DocScrutinizerJan 30 02:16:58 t900 kernel: [47866.828948] wl1251: 151 tx blocks at 0x3b788, 35 rx blocks at 0x3a78012:34
DocScrutinizerJan 30 02:16:58 t900 kernel: [47866.844543] wl1251: firmware booted (Rev 4.0.4.3.7)12:34
DocScrutinizerwhatever12:34
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SpeedEvilIt's neat!12:38
SpeedEvilerr12:38
SpeedEvilno12:38
SpeedEvilignore that12:38
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achipaX-Fade: ping...12:41
X-Fadeachipa: pong12:42
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DocScrutinizerI admit I'm just guessing, form ^^^ and /lib/firmware/wl1251-fw.bin - but in hte end I'd rather ask lxp1 about that. He should know if wl1251 is operated in softmac or fullmac mode, on maemo12:46
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r--    1 root     root       194180 Jan 20  2010 /lib/firmware/wl1251-fw.bin12:47
DocScrutinizer194k doesn't look like s stub for softmac, anyway12:47
psycho_oreosthere's two parts to the firmware, I don't know what the other one is for but if you do rename/remove those files after you unloaded the module and then reload the module without either of those. If you tried to ifconfig wlan0 up you will see "ifconfig: SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" this is very much the same message as for the current softmac these days12:49
DocScrutinizerhmm, loading the wlan module includes powering up the chip and uploading this wl1251-fw.bin to the chip's ram, then starting it where it answers with "firmware booted (Rev 4.0.4.3.7)" - my wild guess12:51
DocScrutinizerso for whatever reason loading of the kernel module blows chunks, you will end up with a missing device file, so ifconfig returns with error12:53
DocScrutinizerI'd however bet the kernel module complains about missing firmware blob to upload, in syslog, when modprobed with missing wl1251-fw.bin12:54
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DocScrutinizernota bene: you still *could* operate a "card" in softmac mode, even if it has fullmac firmware uploaded, or even *real* fw in flash or eeprom. Nevertheless that's for sure not what you want to do, as you need to crank up the whole APE incl RAM and everything, every few 100 ms, for PSM12:57
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DocScrutinizerthis would eat your battery in no time12:58
DocScrutinizerso basically using a softmac card in a battery powered device is a major design bug12:58
achipaX-Fade: heya, does maemo.org have a provider file/url for REST ?12:59
achipaX-Fade: bergie is trying to talk me into using libattica, but the docs make it a bit more convoluted than it probably should be12:59
achipa(more like lack thereof)13:00
X-Fadeachipa: Sure, there is http://maemo.org/packages/providers.xml13:02
achipaX-Fade: right-o, thx13:03
achipaX-Fade: can I get some stats from the REST requests ?13:03
achipai.e. how many people voted/commented via it ?13:03
X-Fadeachipa: Not atm.13:04
achipaX-Fade: I don't mean anything fancy, graphical, just numbers basically13:04
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X-Fadeachipa: there might be some unused field we could store something in.13:04
achipaX-Fade: just so we know if people are actually using it13:05
X-Fadeachipa: I don't have anything to monitor that atm.13:05
achipaif it's easier I could submit another request at the same time13:06
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achipa(hack, but hey)13:06
X-Fadeachipa: That is why I suggested a field. You can probably use something like title.13:07
X-FadeWhich we don't display.13:07
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achiparight13:07
achipabut first things first, let me make this work, and then we'll talk stats13:08
achipa(though I must say this qtwebkit thingy make scraping look good...)13:08
achipa:P13:08
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DocScrutinizer(fullmac) you might be interested in that one (whatever it tells us) http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~baker/devices/lxr/source/2.6.31.13/linux/drivers/net/wireless/wl12xx/boot.c13:13
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lardmanmorning13:15
lardmanX-Fade: ping13:15
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DocScrutinizerhttp://gitorious.org/nokia-n900-kernel/nokia-n900-kernel/trees/master/drivers/net/wireless/wl1251  and   http://gitorious.org/nokia-n900-kernel/nokia-n900-kernel/trees/master/drivers/net/wireless/wl12xx13:16
chem|stand he strikes again.... ;)13:20
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* jonwil is still no closer to figuring out what he needs to know to write new icd policy plugins and test them on his N90013:25
SpeedEviljonwil: Jesus?13:26
jonwiljesus what?13:26
lardmanGoat to sacrifice?13:26
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jonwilI posted some questions to the mailing list in case someone can help with the gconf stuff I am stuck on13:26
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range /act13:28
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rangeOh, ooops.13:28
* range takes back the <space>13:28
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lardmanwhat does /act do? /me has a look for some IRC help files13:29
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crashanddietried to read something on the financial times, asked me to register, yada yada yada13:33
crashanddieat random, I just typed foo as username and password13:33
crashanddieTADA13:33
lardman:)13:33
* jonwil wishes someone would write a better Solitare and better Minsweeper clone for the N900 :P13:34
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* jonwil suspects the N900 is the only phone where the correct response is "if you want it, write it yourself :P"13:35
jonwilThe solitare isnt open source otherwise I would hack it myself13:37
DocScrutinizerjonwil: what's your probs with gconf?13:39
DocScrutinizer(not that I know anything about it - I even *hate* it :-P )13:39
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LjLmy N810 arrived! \o/13:43
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LjLalthough i'm already regretting it because now i think i should have got an Archos 5 ;(13:43
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jonwilMy problem is that I dont know how to use it at all13:48
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jonwilso I dont know how to modify this ICD setting in a way that I can undo easily and that can be done without risk of causing problems13:48
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blackthornehi14:25
DocScrutinizermuhahaha WUT? safer internet day - probably the day all hackers take a day off to have a booze X-P14:27
DocScrutinizerjonwil: use as in? gconf-tool2 --help ?14:28
DocScrutinizerjonwil: or code side of the story - then I got NFC14:28
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DocScrutinizergconftool-2 --help-all ;# actually14:32
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: sorry if I'm off topic, but as I dunno what exactly you need to know: I found `gconftool-2 -R /|grep <whatever>` quite helpful at times14:37
DocScrutinizeror use less instead of grep14:37
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DocScrutinizerfor the code side I guess there's plenty of examples how to interface to gconf in maemo pkgs, last not least in source for gconftool-214:39
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markinfoHi. I have just buyed nokia used n900 an on my opinion it makes very bad Photos. they are not sharp. More closely to the object is the photo taken then more unsharp it is. Makro setting does not help. Could be there some software problem (I have maemo 20.2010.36-2)  or is it hardware failure?14:53
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SpeedEvilHow close are you trying to take pictures?14:54
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SpeedEvilYou should not expect better than - maybe - 2.5MP equivalent.14:54
Ken-Youngmarkinfo, Did you focus the camera?14:54
jonwilThe N900 isn't designed to take really close up photos14:54
lcukbullshit14:54
Ken-YoungIt will take decent photos as close as 4 cm.14:54
SpeedEvilhttp://www.flickr.com/cameras/nokia/n900/14:54
lcukthe N900 is awesome at closeups :P14:54
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/20110206_005.jpg14:55
SpeedEvilThis shows all n900 pictures on flickr14:55
SpeedEvilCompare yours14:55
lcukthat is a little tub made with a makerbot14:55
jonwilThe biggest problem with all cellphone cameras I have seen is that they have a fixed focus14:55
lcukyou can see the pixels!14:55
jonwilAlthough the N900 may be different in that area14:55
SpeedEvilThe n900 usage graph on that page makes me a saaaaaaaaaaad panda.14:55
lcukvariable focus, you can hear it change14:55
Ken-Youngjonwil, The N900 does not have fixed focus.14:56
SpeedEvil(as does the lack of axis)14:56
SpeedEvilaxes14:56
BCMMjonwil: the n900 has adjustable focus, down to 5cm14:57
markinfovariable Focus?   it is focused automatically?14:57
SpeedEvilmarkinfo: yes14:57
BCMMmarkinfo: in the default camera application, yes14:57
jonwilwell no cellphone camera can be as good as my fairly basic Canon with an optical zoom and a genuine close up macro mode :)14:57
SpeedEvilThere are add-ons to let you focus manually14:57
BCMMin fcamera and others you can manual-focus14:57
lcukheh, it tries to focus closer too14:57
lcukhttp://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=16230#post1623014:57
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BCMMbut yeah, the problem with phone cams is usually that they advertise a large number of megapixels, while not actually having the optics to make that meaningful14:58
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BCMM(i.e. it's all blurry even when substantially scaled-down)14:58
BCMMi guess fixed focus is one major reason for the blurring14:58
BCMMthe problems with the n900 camera are excessive noise in low-light shots, and the rolling shutter14:59
* SpeedEvil is still annoyed about the GPS imprecisionbug.15:00
BCMMmarkinfo: try fcamera, using manual focus15:00
BCMMmarkinfo: it'll go down to 5cm15:00
SpeedEvilOh - and shutter lag15:00
markinfowell  i try fcamera.15:00
BCMMin my experience, the default camera app tend to autofocus on hte wrong thing in macro mode - just use fcamera at 5cm manual focus and move the phone till it's sharp15:00
SpeedEvilI want an ultra-lightweight process in RAM all the time that can take pictures 0.5 seconds after the shutter is opened.15:01
BCMMSpeedEvil: delay between pressing the button and taking the picture, right?15:01
SpeedEvilI don't care about viewfinder, I don't care about focus - 1m is fine. Just take a damn picture15:01
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SpeedEvilThe rest can fill in later.15:01
BCMMSpeedEvil: i've been wondering about that - specifically, how much of it is due to the application15:01
BCMMoh, you mean delay between opening the lens cover and shooting?15:01
* jonwil wishes the camera stuff on N900 was open source15:01
BCMMjonwil: again, fcamera :)15:02
jonwilheh :)15:02
BCMMi only use the default camera app because it starts faster15:02
jonwilalthough I dont use my N900 to take photos, why would I when I have my Canon :P15:02
SpeedEvilBCMM: same issue, really15:02
SpeedEviljonwil: you have your canon 100% of the time?15:02
BCMMbut it would be quite feasible to make a simple autofocus fcam application15:03
jonwilif I am going to be taking photos I will have it with me15:03
BCMMi mean, a less featureful point-and-shoot one15:03
* SpeedEvil never goes places to take photos.15:03
* SpeedEvil goes places and takes photos.15:03
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jonwilok, that's solved the gconf problem. Now I just need to figure out what compile and link options I should be using to properly build this .so file15:03
BCMMSpeedEvil: not the same issue - sometimes one wants to get something at a precise moment (ball in mid-air or something)15:04
SpeedEvilBCMM: True.15:04
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BCMMi've just started playing with fcam, so one of the things i'm going to investigate is whether one could get faster responses from a lightweight application15:04
SpeedEvilBCMM: raise a bug - n900 camera should recognise my balls.15:04
jonwilAnyone know how to put comments in a makefile?15:04
jonwilCan you do it?15:04
BCMMSpeedEvil: "recognise" in what sense? diplomatically?15:04
SpeedEviljonwil: #15:05
jonwilok15:05
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BCMMi mean, i don't know how much lag is hardware/drivers, and how much is just the application (camera or fcamera) wasting time15:05
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SpeedEvilEssentially none is hardware15:05
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BCMMSpeedEvil: any idea about how much of it is drivers vs. overhead in the application?15:07
jacekowskiwell, you get like 1/30th of second of camera delay15:07
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SpeedEvilBCMM: 99.9% of it is app.15:07
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jacekowskibut driver is pretty much just doing simple memory copy15:08
SpeedEvil(I don't know how much is the libwhatsit lib)15:08
BCMModd, since i can't see why the app should cause much delay15:08
jacekowskiv4l lib15:08
SpeedEviljacekowski: no15:08
SpeedEvilThe stack on top.15:08
BCMMi mean, autofocus and so on should be dealt with on the half-press15:08
SpeedEvilautofocus is very compute intensive15:08
SpeedEvilit's software only15:08
SpeedEvilAIUI15:09
BCMMyes, but it can be done already before you try to shoot, with a half-press or whatever15:09
jacekowski ah that thing15:09
jacekowskiyes15:09
jacekowskiwhen you press a button what happens is15:09
jacekowskiimage is then compressed15:09
jacekowskiand that's what takes time15:09
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jacekowskibecause i doubt they use hardware acceleration of jpeg15:10
BCMMbut that happens after the shot is taken...15:10
jacekowskiyes15:10
BCMMi'm interested in delay between pressing the button and capturing the shot15:10
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jacekowskithat's probably time that it takes to transfer full resolution image from camera15:10
BCMM"if a fast-moving dog is in the middle of the frame when i press the button, where will it be in the photo?"15:10
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MohammadAGAnd let me guess, if it doesn't compress the image, it uses up IO15:11
BCMMSpeedEvil: talking of fcam stuff, iirc you mentioned (last month) something about what it was safe to do with the flash - did you have a source for that, or was it just informed common-sense?15:13
BCMM(i'm writing a sorta programmable fcam application, and i'm guess i'm going to have to have some sort of safety so that a user can't ask it to shoot lots of full-brightness flash photos in quick succession)15:15
SpeedEvilBCMM: based on knowledge of the undelying likely specs of the LEDs.15:15
SpeedEvilunderlying15:15
BCMMbut i have very little idea of the parameters that shouldn't be allowed15:15
SpeedEvilBCMM: Something like a full power flash 1/10th of the time should be  OK.15:15
BCMMSpeedEvil: thanks15:15
SpeedEvilYou can do that with the existing camera.15:15
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SpeedEvilThe low power 'torch mode' is fine all the time.15:16
BCMMSpeedEvil: reckon 1/5th of the time at half-power, and so on, would be OK?15:16
SpeedEvilI've had it on for several hours when draining bat15:16
SpeedEviland measured with light meter, and it stayed constant.15:16
djszapidoes the "n/N" keystroke operation work after a "/foobar or ?foobar" search on maemo inside vi ?15:16
BCMMSpeedEvil: also, any idea if high-frequency strobing, at minimum brightness, could be harmful?15:16
SpeedEvilno, that's fine again.15:17
SpeedEvilAny sort of minimum brightness operation is fine - the only limit is heat.15:17
SpeedEvilWhich is - mostly - proportional to current - brightness15:17
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, what about flash mode strobing?15:17
DocScrutinizermarkinfo: you need to activate focus by 'half'-pressing the trigger button. N900 has no fix focus, so you *should* get good sharp pictures if you focus correctly, and you for sure will get focus=infinity when shooting without focusing first15:17
SpeedEvilAgain, keep it below 1/10th duty cycle, and 500ms max.15:18
BCMMthanks a lot - i guess i'll just limit the number of "units" of flash per second, where a unit is some measure of brightness*time15:18
SpeedEvilBCMM: yes - it's probably sane to linearly derate - at 50% power - 2/10ths duty cycle, 25% 4/10, ...15:19
BCMMSpeedEvil: thanks, i'll do something like that + no single flash longer than 500ms15:19
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markinfo?? fcamera takes Photos in .dng format, they are 10MB big but my Preview programm an Gim are showing only 640x480px15:21
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BCMMmarkinfo: that'll be the embedded thumbnail15:21
BCMMmarkinfo: iirc, DNG can include a thumbnail as metadata; a 640x480 preview means it isn't trying to decode the actual data15:22
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markinfoand to display all image?15:22
markinfofull image15:22
BCMM(which might make some sense, as it's kinda intensive, and also "subjective", in that one can interpret the data with different white-balance and so on)15:23
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jonwilYAY, this works15:23
jonwilNow all I need to do is figure out what these strange strings mean15:23
BCMMmarkinfo: gimp can open DNGs, i think - a dialog appears offering some options, like when you open an SVG15:23
jonwilnetwork_id 48159cdc-2151-47a7-bb92-61789a2bcac615:24
jonwilAnyone know what that string coulde be?15:24
DocScrutinizerummpf15:24
DocScrutinizersome kinda hash, or unique key name15:25
DocScrutinizerdunno15:25
jonwilhmmm, actually looks like a GUID to me15:25
DocScrutinizer:nod:15:25
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BCMMmarkinfo: oh, what sort of OS do you use btw?15:26
jonwilmental note: Dont paste C source code into a ssh terminal :P15:26
DocScrutinizerlol15:26
ccookejonwil: You might find this useful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_unique_identifier15:27
BCMM"things that should work, but don't"15:27
DocScrutinizerjonwil: you can do that, using <<verymagicwordthatneveroccursinC15:27
BCMMmarkinfo: if you use linux and don't have a violent objection to KDE apps, digikam has a nice interface for processing DNGs15:27
ccookejonwil: it's a *very* widely used unique identifier standard15:27
jonwilyeah I see15:27
BCMMmarkinfo: if you don't want to do any custom processing to get colours right and so on, i suggest you use the "autosave JPG" option and ignore the DNGs15:28
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Arkenoiwhy there is no ionice on maemo?15:29
DocScrutinizerjonwil: so you and gconftool became friends?15:29
jonwilyep15:29
DocScrutinizer:-)15:29
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ccookeArkenoi: Spite? (size constraints and the fact that practically nobody would use it, probably)15:30
MohammadAGArkenoi, missing on kernel level I think15:30
BCMMi want to know why maemo in general doesn't make better use of regular nice15:30
DocScrutinizererr??15:31
MohammadAGoh wait15:31
BCMMif HAM ran nice, you'd be able to actually use the phone while installing updates15:31
MohammadAGSorry, confused with ionotify15:31
MohammadAGHAM runs nice15:31
SpeedEvilBCMM: Oh - mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0:width=640:height=480:input=0:norm= -vo null -ao null seems to take ~0.4s before starting15:31
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MohammadAGdpkg slows down the device15:31
BCMMSpeedEvil: not entirely sure what you mean by that... that'll be mostly application startup, right?15:32
BCMMoh, 0.4 isn't long at all... comparable with delay in the camera app in fact?15:32
SpeedEvilBCMM: The camera app - for me takes around 0.8s to show first pic15:34
DocScrutinizerBCMM: maybe just needs somebody to build util-linux-ng15:34
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jonwilok, good, looks like those GUIDs match to gconf entries with the info about the wireless network (or cell network in the case of GSM)15:36
markinfoDocScrutinizer, Super - that was it - default Camera program simply does not focus - you must to hold button for a second. Now it is nice - as I expect. .... Is there a reason to not focus always when a picture is taken?15:36
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BCMMSpeedEvil: we seem to have very different views of the camera app - for me, start time is OK but button->picture time is too long15:37
DocScrutinizermarkinfo: that's how the better cameras work15:37
markinfomaybe it takes a bit time to focus always - you can take faster series of similar pictures.15:37
DocScrutinizeryes, for example15:38
SpeedEvilBCMM: I care about them both - open to first picture taken15:38
jonwilStep 1 is to produce a tool that displays the name of all the WLAN_INFRA networks that exist under the gconf /system/osso/connectivity/IAP entry and lets you pick one (which it then stores in a setting somewhere)15:38
DocScrutinizeror focus on some detail, then change view15:38
BCMMi keep it as the default when the cover is opened because if i get the n900 out of my pocket and open "on the way", it's ready by the time i'm ready to compose the shot15:38
BCMMSpeedEvil: yeah, i do think that's a pretty important time15:38
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BCMMit could be a bit better, but it's mostly acceptable15:39
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Arkenoiccooke: given io is the most annoying bottleneck on the device, the absence of the only tuning utility for it is ridiculous.15:40
BCMMe.g. i was outside and *heard* a family of low-flying swans approaching (to fly almost overhead), and the phone reacted fast enough for me to get a shot of them at their closest approach15:40
markinfoGimp does not ask anything by the opening .dng pictures. And I have Linux. I am using Geeqie as image viewer - and it displays also only Thumbnails.15:41
BCMMmarkinfo: i guess your GIMP has different (probably compile-time) settings from mine15:42
BCMMmarkinfo: mine pops up UFRaw to handle the import for it - you could just use UFRaw in a standalone-way15:43
markinfowell - i have deinstalled uraw modul - as it causd problem a few days ago - it explain that.15:44
markinfobut again focusing - wenn there is video taking - how to focus during recording?15:44
BCMMah, i've worked out where my priorities come from - app start time is a fairly small component compared to the delay cause by me, as i get the phone out of my pocket and open the cover15:44
BCMMwhereas button->shutter delay happens when i am completely ready and waiting to photograph something and hit the button at the perfect moment but get an empty frame15:45
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BCMMmarkinfo: oh, there's an application that does that, but it's a bit hackish15:45
BCMMbecause the camera app is closed (can't be modified), it's implemented as a seperate window with a slider15:46
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markinfoBCMM - do you know the name of this app?15:48
BCMMmarkinfo: lfocus i think15:49
BCMMhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/lfocus/15:49
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BCMMhttp://thehandheldblog.com/2010/05/06/lfocus-hack-gives-you-manual-focus-during-video-capture-makes-n900-an-incredible-video-capture-tool/ explains it15:50
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BCMMoh i'd forgotten that - there are KB shortcuts so you don't have to always have a slider obscuring your shot15:51
DocScrutinizercan use hw keys afaik15:51
DocScrutinizeralso can start LED videolight15:51
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ZogGBCMM o/16:02
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BCMMZogG: ?16:03
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markinfoif I can not find any lfocus  program I need to add Repository -or?  How to do that most easy?16:04
BCMMmarkinfo: what's "-or"?16:05
BCMMmarkinfo: i appears to be in extras-testing and extras-devel, but not in extras yet16:06
BCMMmarkinfo: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing but really really read the caveats16:07
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BCMMtalking of repositories, how can i list installed applications from specific repos, e.g. find everything i have installed from extras-devel?16:08
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MohammadAGhmm16:21
MohammadAGI wonder if a 3G modem can be unlocked16:21
jonwildepends what brand of 3G modem16:21
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kerioMohammadAG: can you upgrade its firmware somehow?16:23
MohammadAGHUAWEI E155216:23
kerioif you can, then it *is* possible16:23
kerioit's just a matter of doing it16:24
MohammadAGkerio, it's a USB one, so I guess yeah16:24
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korhojoafrals: halp! IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/user/.fmms/temp/2011nnnn_xxx.jpg'16:27
lardmanX-Fade: ping16:28
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fralskorhojoa: sudo gainroot; chmod -R user:users /home/user/.fmms/16:28
fralskorhojoa: when are you getting this and what are you trying to do? :)16:28
korhojoafrals: i already did that :< I'm trying to send a mms16:28
MohammadAGkerio, any ideas how I could get the IMEI?16:29
fralskorhojoa: ls -l /home/user/.fmms/temp/2011nnnn_xxx.jpg16:29
keriolabel under it?16:29
MohammadAGkerio, none there16:29
korhojoafrals: also, i did chown, not chmod :P16:29
alteregoThe IMEI should be written on it.16:29
jonwilIf you can send AT commands to it, there is one that could give you the IMEI16:29
kerioofficial interface?16:29
korhojoafrals: there's nothing there16:29
markinfowhy some programs with same version are here: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/  and also hier http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras_free_armel/ ?16:29
MohammadAG[ 1656.134712] usb 1-1.1: GSM modem (1-port) converter now attached to ttyUSB116:29
MohammadAGkerio, windows, yuck16:30
kerioindeed16:30
fralskorhojoa: ls -l /home/user/.fmms/16:30
korhojoafrals: well, with the exception of the LAST_INCOMING16:30
MohammadAGjonwil, can I do that with ttyUSB0/116:30
korhojoafrals: mms, mms.db, push, sent, temp.16:31
jonwiltry AT+CIMI16:31
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fralskorhojoa: whats the owner/permissions?16:31
korhojoamms.db has got funny permissions though16:31
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korhojoauser:users, drwxr-xr-x16:31
korhojoabut mms.db has got -rw-r--r--16:31
MohammadAGjonwil, err, how?16:31
alteregoHow is that funny?16:31
jonwilvia AT commands16:31
SiceloMohammadAG: there used to be some software, dccrap that could unlock a modem under Windows16:31
Siceloi don't know about the legality of the software though16:32
fralskorhojoa: hm, dunno why its failing then16:32
korhojoawell, how come all the other ones can be read by the group?16:32
jonwilif you can send it AT commands though some mechanism you can send it AT+CIMI16:32
jonwilor AT+CGSM16:32
jonwilAT+CGSN16:32
jonwilone of those 2 will return the IMEI16:32
MohammadAGwell, what software can I use to send commands?16:32
DocScrutinizerpnatd16:32
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jonwilI think I used a terminal program to send AT commands before16:33
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jonwilas in something like HyperTerminal on windows16:33
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jonwilalthough I havent done it in ages16:33
jonwiland never done it on Linux16:33
alteregoI use gtkterm on ubuntu16:33
DocScrutinizeraah, USB16:33
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DocScrutinizerminiterm16:34
lardmanor minicom16:35
fralskorhojoa: as long as user has rw on temp it should work, dunno why its giving permission denied16:35
MohammadAGerr, miniterm?16:35
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fralskorhojoa: your whole system isnt borked so its in ro mode by any chance?16:35
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DocScrutinizerminicom? mompls...16:36
DocScrutinizerminicom16:36
Sicelomaybe he meant minicom :-/16:37
korhojoafrals: no, don't think so, seeing as i can write there16:37
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fralskorhojoa: what happens if you try touching the file as user that fmms fails to create?16:37
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korhojoafrals: worked just fine16:38
korhojoait's trying to create the file? why is it failing? :<16:38
MohammadAGminicom wants to access tty816:38
fralskorhojoa: can you send me the whole log?16:38
korhojoasure.16:39
MohammadAGah, -D16:39
alterego/dev/ttyACM2 you want16:40
DocScrutinizeralt-a iirc16:40
MohammadAGnah16:40
MohammadAGUSB116:40
MohammadAGjonwil, both commands send a number16:40
MohammadAGa different one, I'm assuming it's IMSI?16:40
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alteregoIMEI will start with 3516:40
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jonwilone is IMEI, one would be IMSI16:40
alteregoOh, I thought you were using the N900 :P16:41
DocScrutinizeralterego: not on a 3G USB stick of huawei :-P16:41
MohammadAGand if I have an unlock code, is there a way to send it over minicom?16:42
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X-Fadelardman: pong16:42
korhojoafrals: wtf?!16:42
DocScrutinizeratdt<number>16:42
korhojoafrals: i just tried again, and now it worked just fine16:42
alteregoDocScrutinizer: yeah, I'm obviously completely wrong :P16:42
DocScrutinizeror simply ADT<number>16:42
inzATDP!16:42
DocScrutinizerlol16:42
inzShame that gsm doesn't support. =)16:42
fralskorhojoa: weird16:43
MohammadAGNO CARRIER16:43
DocScrutinizerATD of course16:43
MohammadAGis what it returned16:43
DocScrutinizerhmm16:43
MohammadAGdoes that mean it was unlocked?16:43
DocScrutinizernot necessarily16:43
DocScrutinizerthere's a cmd to query the locks16:43
korhojoafrals: well. i made you one anyway. http://ad.dy.fi/~joakim/fmms_worked.txt16:45
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, any ideas what it is?16:46
DocScrutinizermompls16:46
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DocScrutinizerhttp://nobbi.com/atgsm.html basics, german. mompls...16:51
markinfohow to start this script: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/lfocus/0.914-1/16:52
markinfohttp://maemo.org/packages/view/lfocus/16:53
DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands16:53
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DocScrutinizerhttp://www.ctiforum.com/standard/standard/etsi/0707.pdf <--ultimate16:55
lardmanX-Fade: about package promotion16:55
lardmanX-Fade: Trying to promote mBarcode, but different plugins have different maintainers, is there a way of allowing myself to promote them?16:55
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X-Fadelardman: Yes, ask to be maintainer for those plugins too?16:56
inzdoc, that is quite ancient ;)16:56
lardmanwell that's actually a problem specifically for one plugin whose author has disappeared16:56
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I'm not sure what to look for :P16:57
inzDoc, although in much nicer format than what 3GPP provides.16:57
DocScrutinizer7.4 +CLCK16:57
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lardmanthe secondary concern is that both Dragly and myself are doing dev work, and we'd like either of us to be able to promote packages. Does adding other people to e.g. the Uploaders field allow this?16:57
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, ERROR16:58
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lardmanX-Fade: any ideas?16:59
X-Fadelardman: 'Request to be maintainer of this package' :)16:59
X-Fadelardman: There is a link for that on the package page. The other maintainer then gets a mail and needs to click a link.17:00
lardmanand the latter point, about multiple people being able to promote packages?17:00
X-Fadelardman: then you have multiple maintainers :)17:00
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lardmanHow does one set that up?17:00
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X-Fadelardman: click on the freaking link! :)17:01
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lardmancalm! :)17:01
lardmanok17:01
lardmanI was only asking if it's possible before I start clicking random buttons ;)17:02
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: +CLCK is wrong cmd, mompls17:02
lardmanbut thanks for the info :)17:02
X-Fadelardman: Yes, you can have as many as you want.17:02
lardmancool, thanks17:02
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lardmanX-Fade: sorry, one more.... What happens if the original author doens't reply?17:03
X-Fadelardman: Then I can accept it.17:03
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lardmancool, will do some link clicking then :)17:06
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: seems that's a device specific thing17:07
DocScrutinizeranyway you can try e.g at+cpin?17:07
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DocScrutinizerat+cfun?17:08
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MohammadAGtrying to unlock it in a VM17:10
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, CPIN = ERROR17:11
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: for unlocking you might want to try AT+CUSD=1,<unlock-code>17:11
DocScrutinizerthat's no valid response17:13
DocScrutinizerat+cpin?17:13
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DocScrutinizer+CME ERROR: <some string>17:13
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DocScrutinizer<some string> = READY means no PIN expected, I.E unlocked17:14
DocScrutinizerPIN-unlocked17:14
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DocScrutinizer<some string> = SIM PIN means "waiting for PIN"17:14
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DocScrutinizerAT+CUSD=1,"*#123#",1517:16
DocScrutinizerfor sending *#123#17:16
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markinfoi have installed http://maemo.org/packages/view/lfocus/   how to start this script?17:31
javispedrowow17:34
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javispedroI just realized that I've been using the windows version of python running under wine as my main python interpreter for the last year.17:34
javispedroand _no_ problems.17:34
andre__hehe17:34
korhojoa:D17:35
timeless_webchatjavispedro: i'd assume it's faster17:35
javispedrountil I've got this project where I was thinking "why the fsck it sends Y:\usr\bin" instead of /usr/bin17:35
timeless_webchatheh17:35
javispedrosomehow crossover added a python symlink in ~/bin which was in my PATH :P17:36
javispedrooh, it's full of stuff.17:36
javispedrolike a symlink to winword17:37
javispedro(wtf?)17:37
MohammadAGwell17:37
MohammadAGtried unlocking using some window app17:37
MohammadAGit says card successfully unlocked, but it's still locked :/17:38
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javispedrocard? window app?17:41
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MohammadAGHuawei E155217:42
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MohammadAGit's a USB 3G modem, didn't know it was locked when I bought it17:42
javispedrooh17:43
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DocScrutinizerwhat means locked? SIMlock?17:46
DocScrutinizernetlock?17:46
baraujoMohammadAG, I used DC-unlocker successfully on two 3G modems, and it worked well17:46
DocScrutinizeror a simple hw lock17:46
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: there are actually quite a number of fundamentally different locks17:47
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: so what are you talking about?17:47
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DocScrutinizerSIMlock and NETlock usually need a device specific code of some 10..20 digits that is calculated from IMEI17:49
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DocScrutinizerHW lock is like N900 12345 and it's usually unclear how to reset it17:50
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DocScrutinizerHW lock just forbids swapping of SIM17:50
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DocScrutinizeralso HW lock usually is set by user, not by manufacturer/carrier17:51
DocScrutinizeror is your SIM locked, I.E do you need a PUK?17:51
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Khertan1Hello !17:58
lardmanhey khertan17:58
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I can only use a SIM from the same operator17:59
DocScrutinizerhmm, SIMlock17:59
DocScrutinizerI gather you googled17:59
MohammadAGbaraujo, that needs credits though, right?17:59
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DocScrutinizererr, there've been tools in rapidshare or sth18:00
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Khertan1'lo lardman !18:00
baraujoMohammadAG, yep, that's the downside18:00
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MohammadAGtried dccrap18:00
MohammadAGIt says unlocked, checking status again says locked18:01
Khertan1MohammadAG: why not use an n900 :)18:01
MohammadAGkhertan, 4 batteries aren't enough18:01
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.unlockforum.com/showthread.php/12554-FOR-SEND-CODE-to-Huawei-modem-USE-THIS-TOOL?s=5b039bd627a2a2fa09025df5311024dd18:01
MohammadAGand this is a data sim18:01
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: aiui there's original SIM needed frequently to unlock :-/18:02
Khertan1MohammadAG: ah ... 4 batteries ... hum :) i ve the same problem actually :)18:03
Khertan1too few battery power :(18:03
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, well, I have a sim that works in it18:03
DocScrutinizerat least with my Siemens phone it's been like that18:03
MohammadAGnot the original one, but works non the less18:03
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: and that SIM was inserted and PIN entered when you unlocked?18:03
MohammadAGwhat PIN?18:04
MohammadAGI just clicked "unlock"18:04
DocScrutinizerumm, I don't know if your stick / SIM is configured to ask for PIN18:05
DocScrutinizerwhatever, the SIM needs to be accessable18:05
DocScrutinizerI.E. booked in I guess18:05
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DocScrutinizerI suspect the unlock command doesn't work when there's no/wrong SIM inserted18:07
DocScrutinizerit's just blocked, like all the other functions of modem18:07
MohammadAGtrying code 34601031 on COM718:07
MohammadAG........................................................18:07
MohammadAGCODE ACCEPTED18:07
DocScrutinizercode?18:08
MohammadAGoh yay18:08
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DocScrutinizerwhat kinda code is that? and who does that echo?18:08
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DocScrutinizeractually, sorry I got not a single word of what you posted18:09
DocScrutinizerexcept maybe COM7 which might indicate you're talking about redmond crap18:09
kerioACCEPT TEH CODEZ18:10
DocScrutinizerMEH18:10
javispedroOVERRIDE LOCK18:10
kerioSWORDFISH18:10
DocScrutinizersorry, take it somewhere else... nah, I'll go somewhere else, this is really 100% noise here18:11
* alterego wonders what is going on18:12
DocScrutinizerwelcome to the club18:12
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DocScrutinizermoh pasting gibberish without context, and the others joining in18:12
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DocScrutinizerand /me wasting my time and getting pissed about that18:13
ccookeDocScrutinizer: it wasn't gibberish, it's just not been explained yet...18:13
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ccooke(Okay, it's not *definitely* gibberish)18:13
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, unlock code worked, thanks for the link18:15
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KevinBhi everyone18:30
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KevinBis there a package for qtcreator on N90018:31
KevinBI mean qtcreator binary running on n90018:32
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Venemohi everyone :)18:38
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BluesLeehi guys, how do i post images in tmo with "click this bar to view the image"?18:44
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evilbulgarianhi, how can i execute commands as root in the power menu?18:46
evilbulgariani basically want to start vpnc with a config parameter18:47
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BluesLeeevilbulgarian: have a look http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5573418:48
BluesLeeno one here who posts images/screenshots at talk.maemo.org?18:49
SpeedEvilevilbulgarian: sudo18:50
SpeedEvilevilbulgarian: /etc/sudoers18:50
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evilbulgarianBluesLee, SpeedEvil ty18:58
evilbulgarianBluesLee: so in there i dont see how to execute an command i see how to start a terminal18:58
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MohammadAGPR1.1 for the N8's apparently out18:59
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VenemoMohammadAG: is it any good?19:00
BluesLeeMohammadAG: you mean maemo pr1.1 ported to n8?;-)19:01
MohammadAGthey only added a gray line to each item in a list19:02
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DocScrutinizerBluesLee: in extended edit there's an icn in the toolbar19:02
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DocScrutinizericon19:02
MohammadAGat least that's what I noticed in less than 1 minute19:02
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MohammadAGas cool as the N8 can be, I get bored with it, so I haven't checked what changed19:02
BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: i got it thanx "insert image" i tried it with attachments etc before19:02
MohammadAGNokia Bubbles is an awesome concept, and if it's in qml, we could rip the files out19:03
MohammadAGalso I noticed a trick on the N819:03
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MohammadAGlocking the screen changes colour depth and screen framerate19:03
MohammadAGit lowers both19:03
BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: unfortunately the icon doesnt look like an "insert image" icon :-)19:03
DocScrutinizermeh, touched a N8 in RL for the first time today. OMG they did it again: cam got a lump so you can't place the device flat on table. Will they ever learn?19:04
MohammadAGthey did with the N9719:05
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MohammadAGthen got amnesia19:05
nidOthe e7 back's flat19:05
MohammadAGthe N97 had a bottom "lump" that makes it lie properly on a table19:06
MohammadAGdead links, yay http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/How_to_unpack_.sis_file19:06
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BluesLeeevilbulgarian: i think you have to use the xml node "argument" for that19:07
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BluesLeeevilbulgarian: have a look at the "top" entry19:08
BluesLeeevilbulgarian: just replace /usr/bin/top by whatever you want to run in the terminal19:08
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evilbulgarianBluesLee: yeah i want to just run it in background19:09
evilbulgariani see some stuff in the comments of that page u sent me19:09
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BluesLeeMohammadAG: yeah the idea with the bubbles is good, do you think that you need more than 3 hours for an maemo implementation?:-)19:11
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MohammadAGBluesLee, a lot more19:16
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MohammadAGI need to figure out how the display goes to 0 brightness with nothing showing19:17
BluesLeeMohammadAG: just a joke ...19:17
MohammadAGBluesLee, tbh, I'm not joking19:18
MohammadAGI want to clone it19:19
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BluesLeeMohammadAG: but there was a desktop bubbles demo implementation on maemo/meego of a company some time ago19:20
MohammadAGthat's for MeeGo, and it's a whole UI19:20
MohammadAGnot a lock screen19:20
MohammadAGDigia I think19:20
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BluesLeeMohammadAG: yeah19:21
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ZogGMohammadAG are you thinking to clone the bubbles from nokia labs?19:35
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bjvcan the 770 act as a serial console over.. usb?19:36
MohammadAGZogG, yes19:36
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bjvim trying to flash to enable r&d mode + serial console19:36
ZogGMohammadAG i think it's too big19:36
RST38hWell. Moo, all.19:37
bjvbut the device is not being picked up by the flasher19:37
bjv"Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy"19:37
bjvwiki suggests removing cdc_phonet module http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware19:37
ZogGbjv, there was some issue with modules i met on arch and some guys on ubuntu19:37
bjvwhich i did have installed,19:37
MohammadAGZogG, nothing's too big19:37
bjvprobably because i was messing with a nokia ca-4219:37
bjvwhich is a usb serial device19:38
bjvbut19:38
bjvremoving the module, when i replug the tablet and turn it back on, the module is inserted again19:38
trumeeMicrob doesnt take input from a search input box which works fine in desktop firefox19:38
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javispedroomg OMAP519:39
trumeeanybody want to test that by opening a webpage in microb?19:39
ZogGin qt creator i don't have maemo mod19:39
javispedromoo RST38h19:39
bjvZogG: is this a feature, though?    i'd love to just hook a usb cable up and have a ttyUSB ready to go19:39
ZogGi can run it as regular app19:39
MohammadAGneed some help19:39
MohammadAGhow do I turn off the display?19:39
ZogGdo i need maemo sdk as well?19:39
MohammadAGecho 1 > /sys/devices/platform/omap2_mcspi.1/spi1.0/disable_ts19:40
bjvmaybe not "love"  but it would be nice to be aware of the capability, so i can work around it19:40
MohammadAGdisables input, but doesn't turn off the display19:40
javispedroMohammadAG: search for fb0 there, inside it, find "blank"19:40
bjvmm, found arch thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=3354319:41
javispedroMohammadAG: a more interesting question is then going to be "how you unblank it". ensure you have a way to reset the device nearby ;)19:41
MohammadAGecho 1 and 019:41
MohammadAGnice19:41
MohammadAGthanks javispedro19:41
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ZogGso if i write some app how do i run it in qt creator as it's on maemo?19:42
ZogGit starts as regular app19:42
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MohammadAGright, so to clone this, I need to write a daemon that listens to screen and keyboard events19:45
ZogGwhy would you?19:46
MohammadAGcause the original lock screen is that daemon19:46
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ZogGcan't you just patch it?19:46
MohammadAGwith something like a clone of Nokia bubbles?19:46
javispedroI do not believe that is how it works19:47
javispedrowell19:47
javispedrothe daemon is mce19:47
ZogGno19:47
javispedrobut I do not think it throws UI19:47
ZogGi mean to make some kind of layer to apply any unlock in future19:48
ZogGlike in android19:48
MohammadAGjavispedro, move the systemui_tklock.so module19:48
ZogGthey can change them19:48
MohammadAGit's in Nokia-N900:/usr/lib/systemui#19:48
MohammadAGthen killall systemui19:48
javispedroso it's systemui the one that throws UI :)19:48
alteregoWhat are you trying to do?19:48
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javispedroMohammadAG: systemui and mce probably talk over the system bus.19:49
javispedroMohammadAG: mce being the one monitoring activity, handling backlight, etc. and invoking tklock as necessary.19:50
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javispedro(harmattan has a qt systemui but the usual mce, so they should be swappable)19:51
MohammadAGjavispedro, I can't tklock without that file19:53
javispedro_obviously_ as that's the UI.19:54
javispedroI'm just saying that you should replace that.19:54
MohammadAGalterego, right now? Replace the stock lock screen with a simple QMainWindow19:54
javispedroin fact, you could probably move that into a separate binary, without the need to fuss with systemui.19:54
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javispedroand you need not bother with activity, etc. just watch out for what mce says.19:54
javispedrofor ex. http://www.google.com/search?q=tklock_open19:55
MohammadAGjavispedro, yes, that's what I'm thinking19:55
MohammadAGhttp://pastebin.com/ak7w2Mpj19:55
javispedrono, you're doing much work, mce should be the one killing the screen.19:56
MohammadAGit's not19:56
MohammadAGtry it yourself19:56
MohammadAGmv the binary and killall systemui19:57
MohammadAGlock key won't function19:57
alteregoMohammadAG: yes, but the dbus signals still are.19:57
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alteregoSo you wait for the dbus signal and show your fullscreen window.19:57
MohammadAGand it's not much work, just need to tie DBus signals with some simple functions19:57
MohammadAGalterego, again, that's what I want to do19:58
alteregoEither that, or you work out the plugin interface for that .so19:59
alteregoOr you could try requesting the API from Nokia ...19:59
MohammadAGbut without that binary, touching the screen unlocks the device19:59
MohammadAGI'll stay away from those19:59
MohammadAGI don't have to interface with systemui19:59
javispedroMohammadAG: obviously lock key won't work, you've removed the UI. But mce is the one that would shut the screen off if UI was present.19:59
MohammadAGtrue20:00
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javispedroso try not to fiddle with sysfs unnecessarily.20:02
javispedrohttp://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-systemui/trees/master/src/systemui/screenlock20:03
javispedrocreenLockWindow::ScreenLockWindow(...) : public MWindow () ;)20:03
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MohammadAGjavispedro, dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_tklock_mode_change string:"locked"20:06
MohammadAGthat should work regardless of systemui20:06
MohammadAGyet it doesn't20:06
javispedrowhat happens on the system bus?20:08
javispedrodoes it try to contact systemui-tklock and gets an error?20:08
javispedrothat probably happens20:09
MohammadAGno errors20:09
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javispedromeego source says it calls com.nokia.system_ui.request.tklock_open20:09
javispedromethod_call20:09
javispedroso it fails, then returns FALSE20:09
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javispedroso it cancels the set_tklock_state call20:09
javispedroand nothing happens20:10
javispedrohttp://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/blobs/master/tklock.c20:10
javispedroso, just implement a daemon answering that on system bus20:10
javispedrothe interface is there (ssssubb)20:10
DocScrutinizer51\o/ a humbe 15min and N810 GOT A gps fix20:10
javispedroand when that is replied succesfully, mce will proceed to disable kp/tp events.20:11
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javispedroand so some more stuff....20:12
DocScrutinizer51friggin shite. you're hacking with mce?20:12
javispedroDocScrutinizer51: you got agps support at least? =)20:12
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DocScrutinizer51dunno?20:13
javispedroDocScrutinizer51: MohammadAG wants to do a replacement lock screen UI20:13
DocScrutinizer51aaah20:13
javispedroDocScrutinizer51: you have the agps beta stuff?20:13
DocScrutinizer51yep20:13
javispedroah.20:13
DocScrutinizer51but that usually confuses me20:13
ZogGMohammadAG, so how do i emulate on computer the app as it's on maemo with qt creator20:13
DocScrutinizer51or my gps20:13
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javispedroMohammadAG: to inspect method_calls and errors on system bus you might need to do this: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?Tools&id=1106&type=g20:16
DocScrutinizer51I'm not sure AGPS beta does anything20:16
javispedroMohammadAG: (dbus-monitor part)20:16
ZogG=(20:17
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DocScrutinizer51javispedro: the N810 got 4 correct sats with somewhat correct signals, on second start of maps app. Nevertheless it took 15 min to get a fix from same 4 sats20:19
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DocScrutinizer51looks to me like it needs full download from sat, so no A for GPS from beta?20:20
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javispedrowell it kinda works for me20:21
javispedrowithout agps it's basically NO fix at all.20:21
DocScrutinizer51I don't even have a clue whether the AGPS beta needs to be started or installed and config'd is enough20:21
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javispedrowell it's a slightly overengineered setup20:22
javispedrowith two daemons20:22
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javispedroso no idea how many, many ways it can go wrong :)20:24
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ShadowJKit doesn't need to be running20:29
ShadowJKbut agps beta only works with one server, and depending on where in the world you are, the dns will or will not give the one compatible server :P20:30
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javispedrothat can be quickly check with the UI (open it, see status dialog)20:30
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ShadowJKyeah20:31
nwidgerdoes anyone know when the pidgin extra protocols package is going to be fixed so that AIM works again?  im still have to downgrade to an earlier version to use AIM.20:31
pupnik_have any of you streamed video from the n900's main camera?20:31
pupnik_if i could get 640x480 streamed mpeg4 from it, i'd have a use that would justify the expense20:32
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ShadowJKlol20:32
ShadowJKencoding 640x480 to mpeg4/asp is going to be difficult :)20:33
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pupnikwhat's the resolution of n900's recorded video?20:35
javispedro800x48020:35
pupniknice20:35
javispedrompeg4 asf, ~25fps iirc.20:35
pupnikthink gstreamer could do it?20:35
javispedronot by software alone on the a8 seemingly.20:35
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: shouldn't a small line in /etc/hosts fix that?20:35
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javispedroon the n900 it has dsp help, afaik.20:36
Venemohey again20:36
pupnikyes i'd of course want to use hw / iva for it20:36
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: you know what's the supl.url.foo and what's a IP of working box?20:37
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DocScrutinizerdamn, this wasn't such a deafening boombastic idea that the whole chan is hush ;-D20:49
javispedroit was on a tmo thread recently, lemme google it up20:50
javispedrohttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=884296&postcount=1020:51
javispedroDocScrutinizer: the IP mentioned there works fine here20:51
javispedroalso, I remember there's no need for /etc/hosts at all, there's a gconf key to entry the server IP directly20:51
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javispedroat /system/osso/supl/20:52
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Kowalczykhi... I was planning to reinstall my nokia n900... using the flasher and stuff.. but the webpage  at nokia is down.. is there any other way to get the flasher and firmware and emmc file?21:00
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qpdbhello. i have troubles connecting to wlan.. iwlist shows me "wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down"21:04
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bjvphoNeT is a nokia protocol, but for hsdpa/other modem devices21:06
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bjvso an n770 hooked up with home key pressed for flashing21:06
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Kowalczykanyone know of any other page to the the flasher, and firmware and emmc?21:06
bjvreally should not be picked up as a phonet device21:06
javispedroqpdb: any reason you don't use the user interface?21:06
javispedroKowalczyk: none. tomorrow it will be probably fixed.21:06
Kowalczykok.... I hope so :)21:07
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qpdbjavispedro, gui doesnt work too. and since it doesnt show my any technical information, i try find out what the problem is by cmdline now :)21:08
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javispedroqpdb: to fix that one error message you need to "ifconfig wlan0 up", but I suggest you reboot if it doesn't work then.21:10
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: thanks pal21:14
MohammadAGthe N8 colour depth thing is just weird21:14
MohammadAGwhy does it change colour depth on screen lock21:14
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RST38hMohammad: Two possibilities21:16
RST38hMohammad: 1) 16bit or even 12bit color requires less power 2) their screensaver has been coded ages ago, in lores color mode21:16
nidOa minor battery power saving while in a state the colour depth isnt terribly important?21:16
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qpdbjavispedro, rebooting doesnt help. after running ifconfig wlan0 up, iwlist works again, but connecting via user interface fails and causes wlan0 to be down again21:18
RST38hMohammad: What makes me mad is that S60e5 does not let me switch to 16bpp mode using standard Symbian API21:18
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RST38hMohammad: And blitting pixels in the 32bpp mode is twice the work21:18
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javispedroqpdb: that does not ring any bell so it might be hard to debug. Unless you have time for lots of detective work on your own, it might be time to reflash...21:19
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MohammadAGRST38h, http://i54.tinypic.com/2e2lzrn.jpg21:20
* javispedro curses cryptic g++ diagnostic messages21:21
RST38hMohammad: yooooo....21:21
javispedro"declaration of .... is not in a cycle".21:21
slonopotamusMohammadAG: __tiny__pic.com21:21
RST38hMohammad: This is 4bpp21:21
RST38hMohammad: I never knew this mode existed. The worst I knowis 12bpp (inside 16bpp)21:22
Venemodoes https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/ work for anyone here?21:22
javispedroVenemo: seems that the stuff maemo.org has on akamai is all down again21:22
slonopotamusVenemo: of course no21:22
RST38hVenemo: no21:23
Venemoso I can't upload. great.21:23
vi_so who is going to port rem for the 50$??21:23
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vi_mo?21:23
vi_no?21:23
qpdbjavispedro, after trying to connect dmesg shows: wl1251 firmware booted (4.0.4.3.7); multiple timed out auth retries; wl1251 down21:23
RST38hvi_: Whoever gets the remaining $995021:23
javispedroqpdb: wrong password / auth info in connection settings.21:23
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vi_sorry TREMULOUS!21:24
vi_and what is the 9950?21:25
Venemojavispedro, slonopotamus, RST38h: so is there any way to upload to -devel while the assistant is down?21:25
javispedroVenemo: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras21:26
javispedrosee dput/scp21:26
slonopotamusVenemo: dput/scp so some mysterious url21:26
slonopotamuss/ so / to /21:26
infobotslonopotamus meant: Venemo: dput/scp to some mysterious url21:26
RST38hVenemo: yes21:27
Venemook, thanks21:27
vi_T-R-E-M-U-L-O-U-S!21:28
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MohammadAGumm21:28
MohammadAGcan I sniff URLs with wireshark?21:28
RST38hyes21:29
qpdbjavispedro, the passwd is double checked, i also tried using different auth methods wpa, wpa2. it also fails when supplying wrong passwords (instead of asking me for passwd again?)21:29
vi_yes21:30
qpdbjavispedro, it worked fine for a long time21:30
slonopotamusyes21:30
vi_mmmm...reflash. it is the only way21:30
javispedrooh time to unsubscribe from a handful of tmo threads, got 410 notification emails today..21:31
RST38hwow, you get around21:32
|RWi part21:32
* RST38h usually gets mbarcode thread notifications21:32
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javispedrousually very quiet but seems that today lemmings are running around scared because of something about android21:32
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RST38hwhat about it>21:34
RST38hSomeone has finally released an android simulator?21:35
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javispedrosomeone who had a competing dalvik vm released videos of it plus a handful of android classes on n900.21:35
RST38homgkawaiiiiii21:36
javispedrowill probably license to oems only though21:36
javispedroit's going to be more a "port-your-app-to-meego-quicker" thingie.21:36
javispedroyet they showed stock apps on the video..21:37
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RST38hlooks like the source code has been published?21:37
javispedroI'd doubt it21:37
javispedrotheir VM is propietary21:37
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RST38hoh well21:38
javispedroeither way21:38
javispedroI do not believe this is very hard21:38
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javispedroI've been reading the Android SDK lately for an unrelated reason and there's mentions of hosted-x8621:38
pupnikcool21:39
javispedroseemingly google already has such builds for internal testing21:39
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javispedro(~ builds of dalvik and core framework that run under a "normal" linux userspace)21:39
pupnikthat's what i want21:39
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pupnikwonder how they deal with the security model though21:40
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javispedrothey might very well ignore it.21:40
javispedrothat's what I'd do at least =)21:40
pupniktrue21:40
javispedrojust reimplement the Skia routines over X11 and release the thing =)21:41
vi_meh android is shareware at best21:41
javispedroWith the mininal knowledge of Android I have I so far doubt they will reach a considerable compatibility level, which is probably why they're licensing to oems21:42
javispedro*I have so far I doubt21:42
Venemojavispedro: I updated my public key. then I tried to upload but got "Permission denied (publickey)."21:42
javispedrowait a few minutes21:43
MohammadAGyou need to wait 30 minutes or so21:43
MohammadAGhmm, how do I run an N8 through wireshark?21:43
javispedrohah.21:44
javispedrosince I never cared about Wi-Fi sniffing you might want to configure your linux box as a router (usually trivial and a mattar of enabling a sysctl setting) and then set the N8's default gateway to your linux box.21:44
* javispedro is talking too much today and should be doing work21:45
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TiagoTiagohi21:46
pupnikanother altnative might be a sort of user-mode kernel http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/21:46
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RST38hMohammad: 1) Connect N8 to the network via wifi21:47
RST38hMohammad: 2) Connect your Linux PC into a wired portof the same wifi router21:48
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RST38hMohammad: 3) Run Wireshark on the Linux PC, with root privileges21:48
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MohammadAGRST38h, and the linux box will sniff the router? o_O21:49
RST38hMohammad: 4) Use Wireshark to put your ethernet card into promiscous mode21:49
TiagoTiagoi was trying to use my N900 as an endoscope, with the TV-out cable and live focus keeping the LED on and the folcus on macro mode, to get a better view of inside my computer (which is turned off but still plugged), but then i got zapped, seems holding the N900 with the TV-out cable plugged is somehow closing some circuit, doesn't happen if i pull out the TV-out cable nor if i try touching the computer case and the metal bits of the c21:49
TiagoTiagoharger cable21:49
RST38hMohammad: When in promiscous mode, the ethernet card will receive ALL the packets that show up in your local network21:49
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RST38hMohammad: Among them should be the packets coming from N821:49
TiagoTiagoaparently the N900 remained oblivious to the shock except for the interference on the TV-out signal21:50
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javispedromight not work if AP is a switch21:50
RST38hMohammad: Filter them by protocol ( you want namelookups and http)21:50
RST38hjavispedro: Yes,may notwork with too smart aps21:50
TiagoTiagoany idea what exactly is going on?21:50
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RST38hjavispedro: Should work with most cheap residential stuff21:50
dado777hi people, i have some problem, when i connect openvpn have this message, fail cannot blind sockets . ¿ Some people know resolve? And some people speak spanish? Sorry for my bad english21:50
MohammadAGRST38h, isn't there a way to make my PC act as a proxy?21:51
Venemojavispedro: waited a few minutes, still the same error :(21:51
MohammadAG(similar to what javispedro suggested)21:51
javispedroRST38h: I used to think that, but mine's ($50) does that too...21:51
RST38hMohammad: There is but it is harder21:51
javispedroMohammadAG: try what RST38h said first, you might be lucky.21:51
javispedroMohammadAG: if you are it makes this much easier.21:51
RST38hMohammad: The second method is toput your laptop WiFi card into monitor mode or promiscous mode21:52
RST38hMohammad: Actually, you will have to put it into monitor mode, because WiFi cards will usually cut off foreign traffic at the firmware level21:52
javispedrothe gateway stuff might work better here :)21:53
javispedroI've never tried but should conceptually work =)21:53
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TiagoTiagowow, even if i pull the plug i still get zapped O.O21:53
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TiagoTiagoah, ok, i do get zapped with just the cable itself, not somthing the N900 is doing; i'm still a bit surprised that the shock still happens with the power plug removed, probably the fault of one of the monitors, but still a bit surprized21:56
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RST38hjavispedro: gateway method is harder ot set up21:59
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RST38hjavispedro: the wifi monitor thing is known to work well though21:59
javispedrodunno, I have no monitor mode here.21:59
RST38hjavispedro: what card?21:59
javispedronone =)21:59
RST38hno wifi?21:59
javispedronot on desktop21:59
RST38hYou have got that bloody Lenovo22:00
javispedroeither way, I was thinking enabling /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and call it a day :)22:00
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dado777some people know openvpn ?22:08
dado777have problem :(22:08
n900-spacenot me22:08
n900-spacesorry22:09
n900-spacehi all22:09
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n900-spacecan anyone tell me how do I get a NOLO image :o?22:09
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javispedroKowalczyk: n900-space: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ is back up.22:10
Kowalczykok. ty :d22:10
n900-spacethanks javispedro, but I dont know where to look for nolo in there :$22:12
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javispedroyou probably don't want it and instead want a FIASCO image.22:13
javispedroaka find your device there.22:13
n900-spacei'm trying to do a cold flash22:13
n900-spacecuz nothing is working on my n900 right now. And it requires a secondary image as the flaher says. Hence I'm looking for it22:13
javispedrowhat did you do that requires a cold flash?22:13
n900-spacejavispedro: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6944222:14
n900-spaceflasher*22:14
n900-spacei'm kind of stuck in this and trying everything.22:14
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javispedrofor completeness, the answer to the last post is "yes".22:15
javispedroand, if that does not work, I'd say "try another computer".22:15
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n900-spaceabout the last post, i'm atleast happy to hear that 'u' is not required on linux, right now i dont have linux on my laptop and i'm going to install it as soon as i get a partition ready for linux to install it on22:16
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javispedroIt shouldn't be required on Windows either. That's why I suggest another computer...22:16
javispedrobut another OS might be fine too.22:16
n900-spaceall the guides I have read says the "U" key should be pressed before you plug in the sub cable, the flaher doc says the same.22:17
javispedrobecause if you do so then it gets stuck in flashing mode22:17
javispedrobut needs a host to do so.22:17
n900-spaceI guessed that windows machine requires the "U" pressed for flashing mode to activate but linux doesnt .. from that post that is22:17
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n900-spaceif i want to continue with the current experiment, I'm stuck here22:19
n900-spaceC:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin -f -R -c -h rx-51:210122:19
n900-spacetrying to make the above command work22:19
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n900-spacebut now the --secondary parameter is what I need to supply, so I need NOLO boot loader image22:20
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n900-spacedo you know how can i get that?22:20
Per_n900Hey guys, quick question. Is there no working start/end of page keyboard shortcut in the browser on pr1.3?22:20
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javispedron900-space: simply, don't.22:21
n900-spacebut why22:21
javispedron900-space: a connection problem is not going to be solved by reflashing the bootloader.22:21
n900-spaceyou think its my laptop ?22:21
javispedroPer_n900: try Shift + Up/Down arrows22:21
javispedron900-space: or your OS.22:21
n900-spaceaha22:21
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: what app to use to add map details to OSM?22:22
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Per_n900javispedro: excellent, thanks!!22:23
DocScrutinizer51OSM-mapping22:23
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n900-spaceI have used the office desktop pc, also running windows 7 32 bits, and that doesnt work too .. flashing n900 on windows 7 32 bits used to always work, but its not working anymore on my cell phone22:24
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LjLso jabber.org doesn't work on os2008, is that correct?22:30
jacekowskino22:30
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guille_hi22:30
guille_is the myriad dalvik vm available for download?22:31
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jacekowskinot for maemo22:31
guille_oh, so it is just for meego?22:31
jacekowskiso far it's just words22:32
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jacekowskino real software published22:32
MohammadAGand a video22:32
jacekowskiwell, ubuntu people had video 3 years ago22:32
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jacekowskibut published dalvik port to glibc would be awesome22:33
chxit's quite an undertaking.22:33
jacekowskinot so much if you think about it22:34
jacekowskisomebody already done it22:34
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jacekowskijust not published22:34
chxhrm?22:34
chxi mean, ubuntu ppl demo'd something two years ago and ... nothing.22:35
chxso how do you think did it?22:35
jacekowskiwell, there is only one thing you have to do to make it run22:35
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jacekowskiwell, i'm not even sure about that22:35
jacekowskibecause i think there is version of dalvik that works on X22:36
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chxo_O22:36
dado777fail openvpn.... some people can resolve ?22:36
jacekowskithe one they use for testing applications22:36
guille_why do they distribute an image in qemu?22:36
guille_(then) well I can imagine some reasons, but it could be useful nevertheless22:37
jacekowskiwell, you can emulate whole platform then22:37
dado777alguien habla mi idioma ?22:38
jacekowskienglish22:38
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guille_dado777: is that turkish?22:38
jacekowskinah22:39
dado777im from Spain22:39
jacekowskiit looks like spanish22:39
guille_I was kidding :) I'm from Spain too22:39
dado777but is hard english idiom22:40
dado777in my country people dont speak english and other idioms22:40
dado777guille22:40
dado777eres español ?22:40
jacekowskii'll start speaking russian or polish here22:40
guille_Indeed, not sure though if it matters to the channel, if you've some question ask me in private22:41
thomasjfoxhey, quick maemo packaging question:22:41
thomasjfoxIf a project like rockbox would already contain a "debian" directory in the root dir, is there a way to specify another debian build rules directory like "debian.maemo" for dpkg-buildpackage?22:41
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jacekowskino22:41
jacekowskiyou have to detect platform in build scripts22:41
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MohammadAGjacekowski, if you do that I'll start swearing in russian :P22:42
gevaertsHow would you handle the control file that way?22:42
thomasjfoxhmm. So it would also need a combined "changelog"22:43
jacekowskigevaerts: i've seen you on fosdem22:43
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jacekowskiwell, but it will be hard to make universal portable debian package22:44
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thomasjfoxjacekowski: Would it make sense to have a "maemo" subdir in the root directory and put the maemo specific "debian" directory there?22:48
jacekowskinot really22:48
jacekowskipackages would still differ22:48
gevaertshm, I assume maemo doesn't use the new fancy debian package formats?22:48
chxgevaerts: i am behind, care to give me something to rtfm on that?22:50
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* gevaerts tries to find information. He really only knows they exist...22:50
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gevaertschx: http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.022:51
gevaertsYou can apparently ship a separate tar file with the debian directory in it22:51
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chxah so THAT's why i got so much grief when installin' my new ssd22:52
jacekowskinot supported on maemo autobuilder22:53
chxit was always croaking something about lzma.22:53
chxgevaerts: thanks22:53
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gevaertsjacekowski: that's what I figured22:54
Venemoeh. I generated a new SSH key and uploaded the public key about 20 minutes ago, but I still get the error22:54
jacekowskiVenemo: is it rsa key or dss?22:55
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Venemojacekowski: rsa key, generated with ssh-keygen -t rsa as it says22:55
jacekowskithen wait22:56
jacekowskii think it's 30 minutes or 60 for keys to update22:56
Venemoookay.22:56
jacekowskior maybe 1522:56
jacekowskihow did you put that into a box?22:56
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Venemoscp *.tar.gz *.diff.gz *.changes *.dsc venemo@drop.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/22:57
jacekowskinot that22:58
jacekowskicontent of that box with a key22:58
jacekowskiwhat does it exactly say22:58
gevaertsthomasjfox: maybe there could be a way to generate a debian diff based on files stored somewhere other than debian/? (prior to upload to the maemo builders of course)22:58
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thomasjfoxgevaerts: Unfortunately, I have no idea23:00
thomasjfoxgevaerts: I'll try to ask "paultag" for an opinion, he did the first quick review of the packaging stuff23:02
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MohammadAGhey _nicolai_23:07
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_nicolai_Hi23:07
RST38h8 days uptime. reboot.23:08
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_nicolai_someone knows how to properly layout a gtkdialog in portrait mode?23:09
Venemohmm23:15
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Venemookay, I installed the necessary MADDE target for Diablo23:15
Venemonow I get this: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libqt4-dev libqtm-dev | maemo-version (>= 5.0) libqtm-sensors | maemo-version (>= 5.0) libhildon-extras1-dev | maemo-version (>= 5.0)23:15
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VenemoI thought it should only take libqtm-dev into account for maemo versions greater than or equal to 5.0...?23:16
VenemoI also thought there was at least some old version of qt for Diablo?23:16
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I use josm. (not on n900)23:26
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: alternate tool is the builtin flash editor - which sort-of-but-not-really works on n90023:26
DocScrutinizerhm. A friend poinzed me at mapero (which is rather nice it seems23:27
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DocScrutinizer) but mentioned the lack of a proper tool on maemo to contribute to OSM23:28
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DocScrutinizertwo weeks ago he gave me his GTA02 to check/fix GPS, and today he told me last time we met he got convinced by my stories to buy a N900 :-D23:31
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BCMMhow can i install diff?23:33
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* DocScrutinizer feels like a trendsetter23:33
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BCMM(and am i right in saying that even the busybox version is missing?)23:33
DocScrutinizerdiffutils-gnu23:34
DocScrutinizeryes23:34
BCMMDocScrutinizer: thanks!23:34
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BCMMannoyingly, apt-get install diff says "silly, you already have busybox!"23:34
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MohammadAGoh nice23:35
MohammadAGQRadio has a bug that makes people on the other end hear the radio23:35
MohammadAGmaybe someone could check where libqtm-multimedia f'd up and exploit it23:35
BCMMyou mean of a call?23:35
MohammadAGyeh23:36
MohammadAGyeah*23:36
BCMMthat sounds a lot like a feature to me!23:36
DocScrutinizerWUT??23:36
DocScrutinizermeh23:37
* DocScrutinizer is the real silly23:37
MohammadAGexploit it, and you have an on-device voice mail23:37
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, btw, thanks again, modem unlocked23:37
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MohammadAGalso, I realized Israel defines 3.5G as 1.0MBps instead of 7.2, so I was disappointed there :/23:37
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: osm2go does work - somewhat.23:38
DocScrutinizer:-)23:38
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: The primary pro blem is really the lack of a decent keyboard and mouse,.23:38
DocScrutinizererr, he draw a plot like pushbutton dictaphone combined with GPS23:39
DocScrutinizerno mouse involved in that scenario23:39
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Oh - right - that's not been done yet, I think.23:42
SpeedEvilThough in principle, can't the camera do voice notes withjpeg?23:42
* DocScrutinizer wonders if videos also have geotags, and if those are as crippled to +-100m like the pictures are (were?)23:43
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: hehe, same idea23:43
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: fine23:45
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: you really want bash with a proper set of *-utils, plus correctly set up $PATH23:48
DocScrutinizerBCMM: beware though to make bash defualt shell for user23:49
BCMMDocScrutinizer: i've got coreutils; surpised to find diff wasn't part of it though23:49
BCMMDocScrutinizer: why?23:49
DocScrutinizerbootloop23:49
DocScrutinizerpossibly23:49
BCMMi have user:*:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/bash and nothing bad has happened23:49
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BCMMthe bash-setup script did it for me23:49
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DocScrutinizerinitscripts rely on busyboxisms (or did)23:50
DocScrutinizerBCMM: does it *work*?23:50
BCMMDocScrutinizer: why do they run as user?23:50
DocScrutinizeruser is tun as user23:50
BCMMDocScrutinizer: well, xterm and ssh both come up with bash23:50
DocScrutinizerso maybe it's xsession or whatever23:50
BCMMDocScrutinizer: and i've been running like this for months...23:50
DocScrutinizermhm, nice. Maybe that's fixed then, since 1.0 :-D23:51
BCMMis there much stuff being executed with the user's primary shell about? i suppose it could be a performance issue if bash instances are getting started like taht23:51
DocScrutinizernah, it has been a clear syntax/semantic diff issue23:52
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DocScrutinizerbetween proper coreutils and busybox crap23:52
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DocScrutinizerso it's prolly not bash itself, as long as bash is calling busybox for ls and chmod and whatnot23:53
DocScrutinizersorry it's like 12 months ago, can't remember clearly anymore23:54
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