| DocScrutinizer2 | for the clock that's rather nonsense, no? | 00:00 |
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| flailingmonkey | its a good idea, but they should really look exactly like what is loading. | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | well, for the clock everything is nonsense | 00:00 |
| MohammadAG | Nope, the time isn't part of the screenshot | 00:00 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer2, start the clock app, it starts without the time showing | 00:00 |
| MohammadAG | and the background is a low quality image | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | anyway | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | o/ | 00:01 |
| MohammadAG | :| | 00:01 |
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| MohammadAG | how do I convert a png to a pvr? | 00:02 |
| MohammadAG | want to test something | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | imgmagic | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | ImageMagick (1) | 00:03 |
| shorter | anyone here use Tmo prepaid sidekick plan? | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | tmo is an operator? | 00:04 |
| GAN900 | T-Mobile | 00:05 |
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| eitama | MohammadAG it's so close to be considered working! | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | hear hear | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | still a workaround I guess | 00:06 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, imagemagik might have a convertor | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer2, no imagemagic, the binary's called convert | 00:06 |
| * MohammadAG opens up the man page | 00:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer2 | err hm? | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | the iPhone uses PVRs too, meh | 00:07 |
| eitama | http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac8/eitama/Screenshot-20100617-000606.png | 00:07 |
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| eitama | any idea how to make the 1st row the same size as all other buttons? | 00:08 |
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| eitama | for some reason the 2nd row doesn't take half of the space | 00:08 |
| lcuk | thats quite awesome as it is eitama | 00:08 |
| lcuk | :D | 00:08 |
| eitama | I don't like it like that (: | 00:08 |
| eitama | besides | 00:08 |
| eitama | part of the plan is to be able to control it later on | 00:08 |
| eitama | if you have 20 contacts starting with the letter G | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | add an invisible row? :) | 00:09 |
| eitama | G should be bigger then the rest | 00:09 |
| eitama | no ): | 00:09 |
| eitama | gridlayout! | 00:09 |
| eitama | i should need to | 00:09 |
| eitama | shouoldnt | 00:09 |
| eitama | shouldn't | 00:09 |
| eitama | keyboard is rebeling against me | 00:09 |
| lcuk | dynamics like that are difficult to control! | 00:09 |
| lcuk | you may need to go custom | 00:09 |
| lcuk | and manage 26 floating elements | 00:09 |
| eitama | there won't nesseserly be 26 | 00:10 |
| eitama | might be 10 | 00:10 |
| eitama | might be 30 | 00:10 |
| eitama | depends on the contact list | 00:10 |
| lcuk | sure | 00:10 |
| eitama | i have to solve this with grid | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, just saw this in an apt-cache search query, on Ubuntu, tablet-encode - video converter for Nokia Internet Tablets | 00:10 |
| lcuk | why | 00:10 |
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| lcuk | btw, how can there be 30 letters in the alphabet | 00:10 |
| lcuk | are you inventing new ones? | 00:10 |
| eitama | cause I want it to be portable to symbian meego etc etc | 00:10 |
| eitama | lol | 00:10 |
| eitama | someday it will support multilanguage | 00:11 |
| eitama | (: | 00:11 |
| eitama | tbh i only removed none english now cause it's looks giberish | 00:11 |
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| * eitama suggests multitasking | 00:15 | |
| MohammadAG | lol | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | you don't want to see how he multitasks :P | 00:15 |
| lcuk | eitama, MohammadAG is right ;) | 00:16 |
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| luke-jr | lcuk: contacts might not start with letters | 00:16 |
| * MohammadAG still has the link | 00:16 | |
| eitama | Well see fragments of code here? and "/me" in the code? | 00:16 |
| eitama | (: | 00:16 |
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| luke-jr | lcuk: for example, IIRC Bobby Tables surname really begins with a semicolon | 00:16 |
| eitama | lol | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | you're making his xchat blink, he won't like that | 00:17 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, which link o_O | 00:17 |
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| lcuk | ive not gone yet | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, battlestation one | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | :D | 00:17 |
| lcuk | and when im properly gone vnc is closed so i dont see you :P | 00:17 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:17 |
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| MohammadAG | http://liqbase.net/liq.battlestation.20100508_002.jpg <-- this one :D | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | btw, I had to check logs, you've mentioned it here once so... I guess there's nothing to hide about it :P | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | ffs I so hate tracker getting corrupt! | 00:19 |
| lcuk | pretty much nothing on liqbase is hidden anyway | 00:19 |
| eitama | Hahahaaa!!!! | 00:21 |
| eitama | It's working | 00:21 |
| eitama | it's working | 00:21 |
| eitama | YEAH | 00:21 |
| eitama | lcuk | 00:21 |
| eitama | i told you i'll make it work | 00:21 |
| eitama | without manually managing them | 00:21 |
| eitama | screenshots in a bit | 00:21 |
| lcuk | never doubted it, now make them dynamically respond to changing sizes as you add/remove contacts :P | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG | Hmm, reminds me of the Symbian^1 contacts app :) | 00:22 |
| eitama | 1st i want to make them appear dynamically by scanning the contacts, so far i was clicking "dial" to add them | 00:22 |
| eitama | (: | 00:22 |
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| * lcuk >>>>> | 00:25 | |
| eitama | http://s880.photobucket.com/albums/ac8/eitama/Success/ | 00:25 |
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| MohammadAG | heh, beats the Symbian one hands down :D | 00:27 |
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| eitama | lol | 00:28 |
| nas_ | very nice ! | 00:29 |
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| pupnik | python --- sigh | 00:31 |
| eitama | I hate python. | 00:32 |
| eitama | Rather write in c++ | 00:32 |
| eitama | But no doubt the best is C# | 00:32 |
| eitama | (: | 00:32 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:41 |
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| Dotblank2 | after upgrading to pr 1.2 my tracker does seem to work | 00:51 |
| Dotblank2 | I think its because I need to reset the tracker | 00:51 |
| Dotblank2 | how do I do that? | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | tracker-processes --hard-reset | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | <-- faster than a bot | 00:51 |
| Dotblank2 | Thanks! | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | yw :) | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | infobot, trackerreset | 00:53 |
| Dotblank2 | well that instantly fixed my problem | 00:53 |
| infobot | hmm... trackerreset is "tracker-processes --hard-reset" in Terminal | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | :D | 00:53 |
| vldcnst | bot had 1s response time | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | hahaha | 00:54 |
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| MohammadAG | New game on the ovi store, 5 euros | 01:11 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php Iron: Google Chrome without the spyware | 01:17 |
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| HtheB | o/ | 01:17 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG, | 01:17 |
| HtheB | u there? | 01:17 |
| HtheB | anyone else? :P | 01:18 |
| eitama | zen bound? | 01:18 |
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| eitama | hey HtheB | 01:18 |
| HtheB | hi | 01:19 |
| * eitama Plays with Qt in the background so might be slow to respond | 01:19 | |
| HtheB | i need some help tomorrow :p | 01:19 |
| HtheB | got an exam | 01:19 |
| eitama | With what? | 01:19 |
| HtheB | I will kinda fail.... so a helping hand is always welcome xD | 01:19 |
| HtheB | Java :( | 01:19 |
| HtheB | (mostly UML stuff) | 01:19 |
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| eitama | I know java | 01:19 |
| eitama | and | 01:19 |
| HtheB | i suck @ java | 01:19 |
| eitama | have no idea what UML is | 01:20 |
| eitama | (: | 01:20 |
| HtheB | totally | 01:20 |
| HtheB | UML diagrams | 01:20 |
| eitama | UML is a class in java? | 01:20 |
| HtheB | unified moddeling language | 01:20 |
| HtheB | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Modeling_Language | 01:20 |
| eitama | Yayks | 01:20 |
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| HtheB | xD | 01:20 |
| zash | Paint as IDE :D | 01:20 |
| HtheB | but java is also welcome | 01:20 |
| eitama | btw no one can suck @ java | 01:20 |
| eitama | it's easier then | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | HtheB, yeah, just purchased the game and it's not downloading lol | 01:21 |
| eitama | writing the windows version on the disc you just burned | 01:21 |
| eitama | What help do you need with java? | 01:21 |
| HtheB | which game? | 01:21 |
| eitama | Zen 5 euro bound | 01:21 |
| HtheB | eitama, | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | Zen Bound | 01:21 |
| HtheB | zen bound is out!? | 01:21 |
| HtheB | didnt check ovi lol | 01:21 |
| HtheB | but | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | I see how they pulled it off now... | 01:21 |
| HtheB | it's some "basic" java stuff | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | Mimetypes to launch app manager instead of asking what to do with it | 01:22 |
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| eitama | ok so | 01:22 |
| eitama | java has garbage collection | 01:22 |
| HtheB | eitama, are you here online? | 01:22 |
| eitama | no | 01:22 |
| eitama | i am offline | 01:22 |
| HtheB | tomorrow* | 01:22 |
| eitama | (: | 01:22 |
| eitama | lol | 01:22 |
| eitama | I might be | 01:22 |
| HtheB | hmmm | 01:22 |
| eitama | (: | 01:22 |
| eitama | you can always e-mail me | 01:23 |
| HtheB | exam starts at 10.25 :( | 01:23 |
| eitama | i check my mail like 20 times a day | 01:23 |
| HtheB | (CET) | 01:23 |
| eitama | what the time for you now | 01:23 |
| eitama | ? | 01:23 |
| HtheB | 0.23 | 01:23 |
| eitama | 1.23 here | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | ctcp time ftw | 01:23 |
| HtheB | so 11.25 over there :p | 01:23 |
| HtheB | I can take pictures with my N900 | 01:23 |
| eitama | there here? | 01:23 |
| eitama | (: | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | HtheB, he's the same time zone as me, so 1:23 | 01:23 |
| HtheB | and sent them directly to you | 01:23 |
| eitama | lol | 01:24 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG, if you lik to help me too :D.. | 01:24 |
| eitama | you mean | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | Java eh? | 01:24 |
| eitama | while doing the exam? | 01:24 |
| eitama | lol | 01:24 |
| HtheB | yea | 01:24 |
| HtheB | eitama, jup :D | 01:24 |
| * MohammadAG thinks | 01:24 | |
| * MohammadAG tries to remember | 01:24 | |
| HtheB | i can also stream the questions with Qik | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | Oh yeah, the crappy language! | 01:24 |
| eitama | Won't you get caought and kicekd or something? | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | XP | 01:24 |
| HtheB | so you can watch again once I streamed the questions | 01:24 |
| HtheB | did it last time | 01:24 |
| eitama | lol | 01:24 |
| HtheB | the "teachers" are dump | 01:24 |
| HtheB | dumb | 01:24 |
| eitama | that is truely awesome | 01:24 |
| HtheB | xD | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | you do know this channel is logged, since 2005 | 01:25 |
| eitama | dumb* (: | 01:25 |
| eitama | ahm ahm | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | right? | 01:25 |
| eitama | since the last time you streamed questions | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | channel logged people! | 01:25 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG, so? :p | 01:25 |
| HtheB | eitama, yes? | 01:25 |
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| eitama | Oo | 01:25 |
| eitama | I mean it's logged | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html | 01:25 |
| eitama | since the last time you streamed questions | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | hit end | 01:26 |
| HtheB | but that wasn't over here at IRC | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | and you'll see this convo | 01:26 |
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| eitama | lol | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | Ovi's downloading scheme sucks, there's no download bar | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | and seriously, microb should use MyDocs not /var/tmp! | 01:26 |
| eitama | Logs | 01:26 |
| eitama | Thanks to Marius Gedminas we have logs available in chronological order. | 01:26 |
| eitama | lol | 01:26 |
| eitama | lol | 01:27 |
| eitama | Anyway to your issue HtheB | 01:27 |
| HtheB | yes | 01:27 |
| eitama | I use java at work | 01:27 |
| HtheB | cool :D | 01:27 |
| eitama | to write tests | 01:27 |
| eitama | in jsystem environment | 01:27 |
| eitama | but | 01:27 |
| eitama | I never learned it accademicly | 01:27 |
| eitama | so | 01:27 |
| HtheB | the exams are in english, so it shouldn't be hard :p | 01:27 |
| HtheB | its seriously basic stuff | 01:27 |
| eitama | no no | 01:27 |
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| eitama | thats not the problem | 01:27 |
| eitama | just saying | 01:28 |
| eitama | you can't rely on me | 01:28 |
| eitama | for the Correct answers | 01:28 |
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| HtheB | better then nothing like me xD | 01:28 |
| eitama | as i always google | 01:28 |
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| HtheB | just google while im doing the test haha | 01:28 |
| HtheB | u can reply then :P | 01:28 |
| HtheB | I have 100 minutes | 01:28 |
| HtheB | for the exam | 01:28 |
| eitama | lol | 01:28 |
| eitama | so | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | remember | 01:28 |
| eitama | what time exacly the test starts | 01:28 |
| eitama | ? | 01:28 |
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| MohammadAG | you're not helping him by helping him cheat :P | 01:28 |
| eitama | lol | 01:29 |
| HtheB | lol | 01:29 |
| eitama | If you can't beat them | 01:29 |
| eitama | join them | 01:29 |
| * MohammadAG beats HtheB | 01:29 | |
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| * HtheB revices | 01:29 | |
| * HtheB revives* | 01:29 | |
| MohammadAG | you better revise | 01:30 |
| eitama | lol | 01:30 |
| * MohammadAG sets ban on HtheB till 1 PM local time | 01:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer2 | nah, memememememeeeeee | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | Ovi, ovi, ovi, when are you going to learn Nokia-N900:/home/user/MyDocs/.documents/deb files# dpkg -i zenbound_1_0_4_1_armel.deb | 01:31 |
| eitama | lol | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | If anyone's interested in getting a ban, PM me asking for the deb file | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | yes, I'm a grass | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | XD | 01:31 |
| eitama | lol | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 01:33 |
| eitama | BTW mohammad | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | is /var/tmp needed before /home? | 01:33 |
| eitama | where you from? | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | start up your GPS at country level and you'll know | 01:33 |
| eitama | lol | 01:34 |
| eitama | city? | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | I asked about 012 for a reason :P | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | Jerusalem | 01:34 |
| eitama | if I may ask ofc | 01:34 |
| eitama | ahhhh | 01:34 |
| eitama | lol | 01:34 |
| eitama | ! | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | designed for headphones wtf | 01:34 |
| eitama | what? | 01:35 |
| eitama | is? | 01:35 |
| eitama | 012 = crap | 01:35 |
| eitama | (: | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | Zen Bound lol | 01:35 |
| eitama | ahhh lol | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | I know, I'm on 014 | 01:35 |
| eitama | wtf is 014 | 01:35 |
| eitama | ? | 01:35 |
| nextime | uhmm | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | Bezeq international | 01:35 |
| eitama | ahhh | 01:35 |
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| nextime | on which web engine is based the default web browser on maemo? | 01:35 |
| eitama | is it good? | 01:35 |
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| MohammadAG | idk, just started it | 01:36 |
| eitama | AppleWebKit afaik | 01:36 |
| zash | not gecko? | 01:36 |
| eitama | don't make me run a tcpdump (; | 01:36 |
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| MohammadAG | Gecko afaik | 01:36 |
| eitama | maybe i am wrong (: | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | AppleWebKit is used on Symbian crap | 01:37 |
| eitama | couldn't very much be | 01:37 |
| eitama | could* | 01:37 |
| GAN900 | eitama, it's Gecko. :) | 01:37 |
| nextime | anyway | 01:38 |
| * MohammadAG 1 - 0 eitama | 01:38 | |
| nextime | i'm happy to see that it work well on heavy ajaxian web applications | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | well | 01:39 |
| HtheB | <nextime> on which web engine is based the default web browser on maemo? | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | the music in Zen bound is epic with headphones | 01:39 |
| HtheB | Firefox? :p | 01:39 |
| nextime | so, the one on which i'm working will work good also on both android, iphone and maem/meego :D | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | a bit relaxing | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | HtheB, firefox is based on gecko | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 01:39 |
| HtheB | so the answer: Gecjo | 01:39 |
| nextime | HtheB : apparently not, if it is webkit based it isn't gecko like firefox :) | 01:39 |
| HtheB | so the answer: Gecko* | 01:39 |
| HtheB | hmm | 01:40 |
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| nextime | anyway, the important thing is that it is working even on my qooxdoo comet based app | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | that's not bad 3238 1218 user R 16756 6.9 40.4 /opt/secretexit/zenbound zenbound | 01:40 |
| nextime | :P | 01:40 |
| HtheB | I know that they dropped firefox in future release | 01:40 |
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| MohammadAG | well, no the best game, but still, some progress is good. | 01:41 |
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| * HtheB is going to sleep now | 01:44 | |
| HtheB | need some rest for the exam xD | 01:44 |
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| MohammadAG | wow, a lot of users don't know about HID support in fremantle http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56402 | 01:46 |
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| asj | people were all a twitter about the n97 until it came out too | 01:51 |
| asj | and I guess for about 2wks afterwards... | 01:51 |
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| HtheB | happy ending! | 01:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | /kick HtheB | 01:59 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer2, no, please, if you decide to do that let me do it | 01:59 |
| MohammadAG | jk :) | 01:59 |
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| HtheB | xD | 02:03 |
| HtheB | hahahahhaa | 02:03 |
| HtheB | HAHAHAHHA | 02:03 |
| HtheB | :D | 02:03 |
| HtheB | i love #maemo | 02:03 |
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| opdf2 | is there another phone that multitasks like N900? | 02:08 |
| pupnik_ | no other phone uses maemo5, so no | 02:09 |
| opdf2 | The only one I can think of is palm pre maybe | 02:09 |
| MohammadAG | LOL, Web OS doesn't do proper multitasking afaik | 02:09 |
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| eitama | My N95 did (l | 02:09 |
| eitama | (; | 02:09 |
| opdf2 | so N900 is only phone that does it properly? | 02:09 |
| asj | opdf2: for many years many phones have run 100s of applications just to boot...many phone runs linux so they multitask in the same way...what do you mean | 02:09 |
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| opdf2 | I like the multitasking of N900, where it doesn't close programs automatically like android | 02:10 |
| opdf2 | and the task manager | 02:11 |
| asj | andriod I thought runs all applications in the background to make switching fast | 02:11 |
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| opdf2 | what does 'proper' multitasking? | 02:12 |
| opdf2 | *is | 02:12 |
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| pupnik_ | i don't know | 02:13 |
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| pupnik_ | others say palm does 'full multitasking' | 02:13 |
| asj | symbian certainly does multitasking assuming the phone doesn't run out of ram...better prioritization than maemo too | 02:13 |
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| opdf2 | okay, so N900 is not alone? that is good | 02:14 |
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| eitama | I was kidding aobut the N95 (: | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | afaik, WebOS removes the process from memory | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | or something | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | iPhone OS 4.0 does that | 02:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | Openmoko Freerunner does proper multitasking | 02:15 |
| opdf2 | proper means keeping all tasks in memory? | 02:16 |
| eitama | proper means | 02:16 |
| HtheB | test | 02:16 |
| HtheB | 123 | 02:16 |
| HtheB | 132 | 02:16 |
| HtheB | >.< | 02:16 |
| HtheB | hello | 02:16 |
| HtheB | earth to #mameo | 02:16 |
| HtheB | do u copy me | 02:16 |
| eitama | Keeping the apps running | 02:16 |
| HtheB | stupid lag | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | well, it's 'real linux'. so yes | 02:16 |
| eitama | giving them CPU time | 02:16 |
| eitama | and | 02:16 |
| eitama | allowing you to see multiple programs at the same time | 02:17 |
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| eitama | with live update | 02:17 |
| asj | proper doesn't mean all tasks in memory, dynamic paging makes not true of any linux system | 02:17 |
| opdf2 | so 'proper' multitasking is n900 & freerunner, all else is pseudo multitask? | 02:18 |
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| asj | opdf2: no | 02:19 |
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| b-man17 | ~seen MohammadAG51 | 02:24 |
| infobot | mohammadag51 <~MohammadA@62.219.120.20> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 25m 46s ago, saying: 'oh well, you know what that means'. | 02:24 |
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| MohammadAG | b-man, ? | 02:25 |
| b-man | oh, lol | 02:25 |
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| pigeon | does anyone know if you can set different passwords for imap and smtp for an account with nokia messaging? | 02:26 |
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| HtheB | happy ending? | 02:28 |
| b-man | oh no not again lol | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG | that won't end well | 02:29 |
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| Noma | what's the situation with usb host right now? | 02:32 |
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| pigeon | is it possible to disable usb charging on the n900? | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Noma: Not ready yet | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | Noma, when it's ready you'll see the channel scrolling real quick :P | 02:36 |
| Noma | :D | 02:36 |
| Noma | what devices have you been able to get to work by now? just storage drives? | 02:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Basically, at this point, we're trying to get all devices working consistently. | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | it works 1/10 of the times | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | At the moment, nothing works very consistently, for a number of poorly understood reasons. | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | I guess | 02:44 |
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| MohammadAG | 1 being me, 9 being the rest of the 'team' | 02:44 |
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| jaem | SpeedEvil, is that sentence original? | 02:45 |
| jaem | It sounds like something Douglas Adams would write... :P | 02:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 02:48 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs, and wishes there were an easy way to revert a long list of changes on the wiki. | 02:48 | |
| crashanddie | oh bollocks, still that same "one cpu doesn't allow multitask" argument? | 02:49 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, vandalism? | 02:49 |
| crashanddie | For fuck's sake, people have been doing multitasking for decades (listening and writing), nobody ever annoyed anyone with "they only have one brain" | 02:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | jaem: Not intentional. Misguided - in my view - maintainance. | 02:49 |
| crashanddie | The whole point is that each task only requires one single amount of time to complete, and can be delegated and paused in a way that seamlessly allows for multitasking | 02:50 |
| jaem | Ah. | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: for one wikipage there actually is a way | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in history | 02:50 |
| jaem | crashanddie, well, one could make the distinction between "multiProcessing" and "multitasking" - the latter generally involving timeslicing, but being somewhat more loosely used. | 02:50 |
| jaem | But I agree with what you're saying. | 02:51 |
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| crashanddie | meh, if I process a signal, I can only process it so many times per second (e.g.: sound being recorded at 44kHz). | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Basically - I wrote most of [[Category:N900 Hardware]] - and am the process of going through these pages about weekly, improving them. And someone came along and moved all of them, so I get redlinks when I enter page titles from memory, which consideraly slows me down, and I don't believe the move actually aids anyone. | 02:51 |
| crashanddie | though, good point. | 02:51 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, don't like the discussion? kick ChanServ | 02:52 |
| * crashanddie kicks ChanServ | 02:52 | |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: ~50 moves | 02:52 |
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| jaem | crashanddie, I doubt the person who wrote that was being that pedantic, though :P | 02:52 |
| pupnik_ | multics was what, 1967? | 02:52 |
| an0therb0x | how do i play real audio files on the n900 | 02:53 |
| MohammadAG | Why is Apple against porn <-- this thread has potential | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: undo? | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't do? | 02:53 |
| jaem | an0therb0x, My first though: why would you want to? My second thought is "probably MPlayer" | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah - I guess. | 02:54 |
| jaem | an0therb0x, I don't think it will play RealVideo (at least in the Maemo build), though, but it might do audio | 02:54 |
| pupnik_ | i highly distrust realaudio | 02:55 |
| jaem | pupnik_, I don't blame you... but I figured that would be a less useful answer | 02:56 |
| jaem | I just know that on the one occasion I had need to play an RMVB file (or whatever the ext is) on my Nxx0, it played the audio track, but didn't like the video. | 02:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Do you have that bug ID you filed for the wiki contributions handy? | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | not right here | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | h | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | l | 03:02 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 03:02 | |
| SpeedEvil | k | 03:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | * [10573] [Wiki] Searching for wiki contributions by username yields no results | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: ^^^ | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | bug 10573 | 03:06 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10573 Searching for wiki contributions by username yields no results | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Thanks | 03:07 |
| acidjazz | SpeedEvil you need to http://i.imgur.com/S6LpL.jpg | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | np | 03:08 |
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| flailingmonkey | i read way too much irc backlog | 03:17 |
| flailingmonkey | i read the logs on the web too... | 03:17 |
| crashanddie | http://perfectlytimedphotos.com/unmoderated-perfectly-timed-photo/7469-i-feel-pretty-oh-so-prett | 03:17 |
| cure` | i just got zen bound and the ar app | 03:19 |
| cure` | too bad i dont have a printer at home | 03:19 |
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| paolo-vaio | xxxxx | 03:54 |
| paolo-vaio | qualcuno parla italiano | 03:54 |
| paolo-vaio | mi leggete?? | 03:56 |
| nextime | paolo-vaio : si, ma questo e' un canale in cui e' meglio parlare in inglese essendo non specifico italiano | 03:57 |
| paolo-vaio | Ti chiedo scusa | 03:57 |
| paolo-vaio | Gentilmente e cortesemente posso chiederti un info?? | 03:57 |
| nextime | non scusarti con me, io sono italiano e ti capisco, scusati con gli altri che non ci stanno capendo. Please in english if you can, o se non riesci piuttostoin privato | 03:58 |
| paolo-vaio | ok | 03:59 |
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| shorter | how do you see call duration after you hang up? | 04:23 |
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| shorter | Also, I'm guessing "Dual" means both "3g" and "gsm" | 04:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 04:35 |
| shorter | any idea about the calling history? | 04:35 |
| shorter | duration of callls? | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | nope. | 04:35 |
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| mikki-kun | hi... does anybody know here where the wireless passwords of the n900 are stored? | 04:41 |
| mikki-kun | i'd need a recovery of one | 04:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | umm | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | i would guess somewhere on the flash. | 04:42 |
| * SpeedEvil should really try to think. | 04:42 | |
| SpeedEvil | icd does that sort of thing I think. | 04:42 |
| * SpeedEvil is feeling stupidly demoralised. | 04:43 | |
| * MohammadAG51 wouldn't be suprised if it was stored as plain text | 04:43 | |
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| SpeedEvil | gconf | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | It is | 04:43 |
| b-man | "cat /usr/sbin/docpurge | grep hackers" < LOL | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | gconftool --dump /system/osso/connectivity/IAP | 04:44 |
| b-man | hmm | 04:45 |
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| mikki-kun | thanks for that :) so yeah, had a char as well wrong all the time on another one... that's why it didn't work ^^ | 04:52 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:53 |
| * SpeedEvil hates that sort of stupid stuff. | 04:53 | |
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| shorter | DocScrutinizer, skype is cheaper than any SIP provider I've found - is this what you expected? | 04:57 |
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| jacekowski | no way | 04:59 |
| jacekowski | http://www.poivy.com/en/index.html | 05:00 |
| jacekowski | http://www.voipbuster.com/en/index.html | 05:01 |
| jacekowski | http://www.voipcheap.com/en/index.html | 05:01 |
| jacekowski | free free and free | 05:01 |
| jacekowski | no way you can get cheaper with skype | 05:01 |
| SpeedEvil | They could pay you to make calls. | 05:01 |
| pwnguin | they have those | 05:02 |
| pwnguin | they're call telemarketers | 05:02 |
| jacekowski | http://www.voipcheap.com/en/calling-rates.html | 05:02 |
| shorter | jacekowski, I'm trying to have allow any phone to call me and me to call any phone (landline -> voip for example) | 05:03 |
| jacekowski | then you pay 1 euro for number | 05:04 |
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| pwnguin | shorter: these days, even voice lines are transmitted digtally, over an internet | 05:05 |
| shorter | yeah, what does that mean? | 05:05 |
| SpeedEvil | They don't use internet type technologies. | 05:05 |
| SpeedEvil | They use pigeons. | 05:05 |
| jacekowski | shorter: that when you call somebody | 05:06 |
| pwnguin | well, i donno if they use the same lines as tcp/ip internet | 05:06 |
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| jacekowski | shorter: analog signal that reaches your local exchange is converted to 64kbit data stream | 05:06 |
| shorter | basically, I want to 1) transfer my current number to SIP 2) have anyone able to call me 3) be able to call anyone - for cheap | 05:06 |
| jacekowski | pwnguin: they do | 05:06 |
| pwnguin | but pretty much the only thing left is telephone numbers and routing | 05:06 |
| jacekowski | shorter: 1) not going to happen | 05:06 |
| jacekowski | shorter: 2 ) phone would have to be constantly online | 05:07 |
| pwnguin | some day you'll dial domain names instead of numbers | 05:07 |
| shorter | why can't 1 happen? | 05:07 |
| jacekowski | there are no voip providers that transfer numbers | 05:08 |
| shorter | 2) It should have voicemail, though, and I'll usually be within wifi - if not, 3g | 05:08 |
| jacekowski | 2 ) it's illegal to use voip over 3g | 05:08 |
| jacekowski | it's just breach of t&c | 05:08 |
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| shorter | skype does it: http://blogs.skype.com/devzone/2007/06/skype_pro_does_call_transfer.html | 05:09 |
| shorter | jacekowski, but people do it anyway, who cares? | 05:09 |
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| jacekowski | shorter: that's just call forwarding | 05:09 |
| jacekowski | shorter: with different name | 05:09 |
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| jacekowski | shorter: and when your phone decides to roam because of weak signal from cell tower | 05:13 |
| jacekowski | shorter: you will probably miss call on voip | 05:14 |
| jacekowski | and because gsm is doing paging differently chances of that happening are slim | 05:15 |
| shorter | that's okay I guess | 05:15 |
| shorter | leave a message | 05:15 |
| shorter | chances of what are slim jacekowski | 05:16 |
| jacekowski | lost call during handover from one cell to another | 05:16 |
| jacekowski | almost like non existient | 05:16 |
| shorter | oh, that's okay I guess | 05:16 |
| shorter | I'll still have voice service | 05:16 |
| shorter | I just don't want to use it much | 05:17 |
| jacekowski | why are you doing it anyways | 05:17 |
| shorter | because I have prepaid and I want to be in any country and receive a call on the same number | 05:17 |
| jacekowski | i mean plans with internet ussualy include shitloads of minutes as well | 05:17 |
| shorter | not mine | 05:17 |
| jacekowski | so you have free internet on prepaid? | 05:18 |
| jacekowski | free unlimited? | 05:18 |
| shorter | 1$/day | 05:18 |
| jacekowski | with fair usage policy? | 05:18 |
| shorter | I haven't read one | 05:18 |
| jacekowski | probably yes | 05:18 |
| shorter | I feel wahtever I'm doing is fair | 05:18 |
| shorter | they advertise as "dataplan unlimited" | 05:18 |
| jacekowski | nope | 05:18 |
| jacekowski | "dataplan unlimited*" | 05:19 |
| jacekowski | * T&C's apply | 05:19 |
| shorter | not as if I use 1/100th of the daily data i use via cable internet | 05:19 |
| jacekowski | besides, voip over gsm is just adding another layer to it | 05:20 |
| jacekowski | i never managed to get decent call quality without really good signal | 05:20 |
| jacekowski | 3g signal | 05:20 |
| jacekowski | on 2g jitter was just too big | 05:20 |
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| jacekowski | and QoS on cell towers prioritise voice over data | 05:21 |
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| shorter | did you have a good 3g signal - some people have reported good call quality, jacekowski | 05:26 |
| asj | I've had good call quality with voip over 3g | 05:28 |
| shorter | SEE! | 05:29 |
| shorter | heh | 05:29 |
| shorter | asj, what voip provider? | 05:29 |
| asj | shorter: 2 of them, voip.ms and iinet | 05:29 |
| asj | but the telco makes a bigger difference | 05:29 |
| asj | strange things happen on Optus, don't know if it's voip only, but after 10 minutes the 3g connection gets weird | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I get sub-100ms pings most of the time on 3G here | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | which would be fine for that | 05:31 |
| asj | Telstra works fine, nothing strange | 05:31 |
| asj | I was also calling overseas, so both parties expected some latency | 05:32 |
| shorter | which provider you have? | 05:32 |
| shorter | I'm on tmo atm | 05:32 |
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| konfoo | anyone know if pluthon will run reliably on x64? | 07:36 |
| konfoo | hmm nm i already installed it on this box 2 months ago | 07:39 |
| konfoo | short term memory ftw | 07:39 |
| swc|666 | anyone know if there's a way to launch an app with (py)qt4 and foreground that app's window? | 07:39 |
| swc|666 | actually i can prolly hack around with wmctrl | 07:41 |
| Dassu | have you tried "$ app &" ? | 07:54 |
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| pigeon | anyone tried that arapp thing? | 07:54 |
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| luke-jr | Instantaneous battery voltage (mV): 3185 | 09:58 |
| luke-jr | that's low? | 09:58 |
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| luke-jr | 3863 a few seconds earlier said: Remaining standby time to battery low (mins): 14954 | 10:00 |
| hrw | morning | 10:00 |
| luke-jr | so much for 10 days :/ | 10:00 |
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| nas_ | goodmorning ! dows anyone know how to edit the cursor ( /opt/usr/share/icons/default/cursors/transp ) on n900 ? as I saw with " file " command it is GLS_BINARY_LSB_FIRST filetype .. Gimp didn't work .. I just want a simple " x " as cursor | 10:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | nas_: did you try google? | 10:16 |
| timeless_mbp | http://forums.blagblagblag.org/viewtopic.php?t=229 | 10:16 |
| nas_ | yep | 10:16 |
| timeless_mbp | and you didn't find that link ^ ? | 10:16 |
| nas_ | I'll check the link , thanks | 10:17 |
| nas_ | maybe I didn't use the best keywords | 10:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | how many keywords do you think i used? | 10:18 |
| nas_ | aahahahah .. max 3 ? | 10:18 |
| timeless_mbp | 1 | 10:18 |
| timeless_mbp | what keyword did i use? | 10:18 |
| nas_ | cursor ? | 10:18 |
| timeless_mbp | doesn't seem likely | 10:19 |
| nas_ | transp ? | 10:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | when using google, you want to pick the word which is uniquely associated with your problem | 10:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | longer random token-like words are your friends | 10:19 |
| nas_ | so what was the magic word ? | 10:19 |
| timeless_mbp | do you have any of those? | 10:20 |
| timeless_mbp | cursor is hardly unique, it could reference the text input flashing indicator, or a mouse indicator, or a database reference point, plus if it actually was a mouse thing, it could relate to any of a number of operating systems | 10:21 |
| timeless_mbp | that's hardly unique | 10:21 |
| nas_ | xcursor ? | 10:21 |
| timeless_mbp | 'gimp' is hardly unique since it's used for all sorts of things | 10:21 |
| timeless_mbp | xcursor is only vaguely unique, and it doesn't accurately describe your problem | 10:22 |
| nas_ | dimentions of cursor ? 16 x 16 ? 32 x 32 ? | 10:22 |
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| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: one keyword? | 10:22 |
| timeless_mbp | you're looking for something unique | 10:22 |
| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: ONE | 10:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | <nas_> goodmorning ! dows anyone know how to edit the cursor ( /opt/usr/share/icons/default/cursors/transp ) on n900 ? as I saw with " file " command it is GLS_BINARY_LSB_FIRST  filetype .. Gimp didn't work .. I just want a simple "  x  " as cursor | 10:23 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 10:23 |
| timeless_mbp | was my entire set of possible tokens to consider | 10:23 |
| jacekowski | GLS_BINARY_LSB_FIRST | 10:23 |
| nas_ | yea , tried that .. | 10:23 |
| nas_ | maybe I missed the link you showed me | 10:23 |
| timeless_mbp | nas_: workedforme | 10:23 |
| timeless_mbp | it was hit 5 | 10:23 |
| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: that's probably personalised google stuff | 10:23 |
| jacekowski | on my google it's on 2nd page | 10:24 |
| timeless_mbp | for me, it's highlighted as 'get more discussion results' | 10:24 |
| timeless_mbp | so it's probably promoted as a 'discussion' | 10:24 |
| timeless_mbp | but still…. if you're googling, you should be willing to look through 20 links | 10:25 |
| timeless_mbp | i only read two links | 10:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the first one i read was http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CBwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.groupsrv.com%2Flinux%2Fpost-8081.html&ei=jssZTKX1DsyIOLLqoL4L&usg=AFQjCNEJgPO6x5D9wPGNEb_8hQG82swsFg&sig2=udG972INA5lneMl3qZZmwA | 10:25 |
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| plastun | hello! what to do, if value text doesn't fit in hildon.Button? | 10:39 |
| marmoute | plastun: crie | 10:40 |
| plastun | of course, I'm crying now :) but | 10:40 |
| plastun | I can put this button into PannableArea, but it looks not pretty. Other ideas? | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | marmoute: s/crie/cry/ | 10:42 |
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| tybollt | la? | 10:43 |
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| nas_ | timeless_mbp: thanks ;) just changed the cursor on my n900 ;) I could write a mini " how to " for other people | 10:50 |
| tybollt | btw | 10:51 |
| tybollt | anyone figured how the hell to do a mouse-over in micro-b | 10:51 |
| tybollt | w/out actually pressing anything | 10:51 |
| eitama | You start mousing over an area that doesn't do anything | 10:52 |
| eitama | and leave the cursor on where you wanted | 10:52 |
| eitama | just a workaround.. | 10:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | tybollt: ? | 10:52 |
| eitama | Hello, What is the best widget to use for inserting multiple QPushButtons into, with the option to scroll if there are too many? | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | typically you enable hover mode | 10:52 |
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| tybollt | eitama: yes but that "selects" everything leaving all text inverted - sometimes that renders the text invisible :-| | 10:56 |
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| tybollt | timeless_mbp: what the hell is hover mode other than mouse mode? | 10:57 |
| timeless_mbp | it's mouse mode... | 10:57 |
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| tybollt | timeless_mbp: point is mouse mode does not work w/ all those fancy JS menus that doesn't pop out until you mouse over them since if you try to mouse over them you actually click them leading to an entirely other action than intended | 10:59 |
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| tybollt | I*ll give you an example site | 11:00 |
| timeless_mbp | please | 11:00 |
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| tybollt | http://www.minhembio.com/ | 11:01 |
| tybollt | that site | 11:01 |
| tybollt | menus on the top | 11:01 |
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| tybollt | try mouse overing them w/out "selecting" the text or clicking them | 11:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | that site beachballs my safari5 | 11:02 |
| timeless_mbp | and its use of flash is broken | 11:03 |
| timeless_mbp | the menus are behind the flash | 11:03 |
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| dotblank | I am always on a never ending quest to purge all flash | 11:04 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: so, i got it to work the second time i tried | 11:04 |
| tybollt | o_O | 11:05 |
| tybollt | do spill | 11:05 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: try starting your initial tap on the third picture in the row below the menu | 11:05 |
| tybollt | or is this another case of "wfm, lol!" | 11:06 |
| timeless_mbp | then start dragging, do not release your finger | 11:06 |
| tybollt | yes? | 11:06 |
| tybollt | oh right | 11:06 |
| tybollt | of course | 11:06 |
| tybollt | if you continously | 11:06 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, any of those pictures in that row seem to work | 11:06 |
| tybollt | drag | 11:06 |
| tybollt | I want a plain mouse over w/ releasing the "drag" | 11:06 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry | 11:06 |
| tybollt | so I can study my options w/ butterfingering my screen | 11:07 |
| timeless_mbp | you could buy a usb adapter or perhaps a bluetooth mouse | 11:07 |
| tybollt | please; do not mock me :P | 11:07 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders if we support bluetooth mice | 11:07 | |
| timeless_mbp | so, fwiw | 11:08 |
| timeless_mbp | if you drag in from the left edge of the screen, you can temporarily import the hovering mouse | 11:08 |
| timeless_mbp | and then let go | 11:08 |
| timeless_mbp | when you want to use it again, just drag in again from that same point | 11:09 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: that's the "select the text" scenario that may invert the text and render it invisible on certain sites | 11:09 |
| timeless_mbp | nope | 11:09 |
| timeless_mbp | as long as you never click the pointer and as long as you only are dragging from that left edge | 11:10 |
| timeless_mbp | (starting from "not in a special mode") | 11:10 |
| tybollt | oh | 11:10 |
| tybollt | like in one great swoop | 11:10 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 11:10 |
| tybollt | ++ | 11:10 |
| tybollt | that'd make sense | 11:10 |
| tybollt | thanks | 11:10 |
| timeless_mbp | please feel free to write a howto or something | 11:10 |
| timeless_mbp | oddly the feature is quite powerful | 11:10 |
| timeless_mbp | and it's only a little bit awkward | 11:10 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: do the other browsers have pointer at all? | 11:11 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't really what i wanted to implement, but it does manage to cover quite a few cases | 11:11 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc chromium on the n900 always has a cursor :) | 11:11 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc fennec on the n900 does not have one at all | 11:11 |
| timeless_mbp | opera showed me a cursor initially | 11:12 |
| timeless_mbp | so i believe it is aware of cursors | 11:12 |
| tybollt | no | 11:12 |
| tybollt | never | 11:12 |
| tybollt | opera is norwegian | 11:12 |
| tybollt | I will not use it :) | 11:12 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't figure out how to interact w/ your menus in opera | 11:13 |
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| * timeless_mbp tries chromium | 11:14 | |
| timeless_mbp | btw, why would you use such a lame site? :) | 11:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | wow | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | the url completion area in chromium is awful on my n900 | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i think someone decided to squish each row vertically | 11:21 |
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| Tachikoma | did chroium get any better since it first was released for n900? I did not bother trying it anymore since then | 11:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | and the settings thing manages to pop up its menu on top of the button | 11:23 |
| haj | okay this was silly... | 11:23 |
| timeless_mbp | so on average i mouse down (trigger menu), mouse up (trigger menu item = new tab) | 11:23 |
| Venemo | hey guys | 11:23 |
| Venemo | does this line introduce a memory leak: | 11:23 |
| Venemo | gconf_value_get_int(gconf_entry_get_value(gconf_client_get_entry(gconfClient, DESKTOP_GCONF_ENTRY, NULL, true, NULL))); | 11:23 |
| Venemo | ? | 11:23 |
| haj | Can someone tell me if it's correct that themes are placed in /opt/maemo/usr/share/themes, and linked to /usr/share/themes ? | 11:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | haj: not sure what you mean | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i have 16 theme entries in /user/share/themes | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | 2 are symlinks to 2 directories in /opt/maemo/usr/share/themes/ | 11:25 |
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| haj | ah.. | 11:25 |
| haj | timeless_mbp: thanks. | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | some have most of their content hosted in /opt w/ other symlinks | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. reflect seems to live in /opt/themes/reflect/ | 11:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | nuvofre and matrix have similar homes | 11:26 |
| haj | timeless_mbp: so /usr/share/themes is a link to /opt/usr/share/themes? Or is it just a folder? | 11:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | they're all just folders | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | or rather, they're all just directories | 11:27 |
| timeless_mbp | folders are graphical elements, and these are not | 11:27 |
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| Venemo | haj: basically, they should appear in /usr/share/themes | 11:32 |
| Venemo | haj: it is the developers' responsibility to make sure they are there | 11:32 |
| haj | yes.. I figured it out now.. :) | 11:32 |
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| Venemo | haj: optifying them is an extra stuff, a "bonus" that is done by several | 11:33 |
| haj | The problem is that I for no reason at all (except being silly) had run the moveroot.sh script on the device, and I was reverting back.. but the unmoveroot.sh script doesn't work correctly so the themes was missing. | 11:34 |
| Venemo | haj: oh... well, why is it being silly? | 11:35 |
| Venemo | haj: the moveroot.sh is a very useful script, I also ran it | 11:35 |
| haj | Venemo: I think it's silly when PR1.2 already have enough free space on rootfs | 11:36 |
| Venemo | haj: you can't have enough space on rootfs :P | 11:36 |
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| Venemo | haj: however, if the unmoveroot is incorrect, you should really contact its author and tell you about your issue - so he can fix it - this will be very helpful for others who also use it | 11:36 |
| haj | Venemo: It is bound to make Maemo slower if stuff is moved off rootfs | 11:36 |
| Venemo | haj: not that much, and not this stuff :) | 11:36 |
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| haj | Venemo: perhaps not... but theres not much to be gained either unless you are running very much out of space.. ;) | 11:38 |
| Venemo | haj: that is true | 11:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | things you aren't using and aren't likely to be using shouldn't be on the rootfs | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | ideally all inactive themes would be on the emmc | 11:40 |
| jacekowski | and non english locales | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | and the act of enabling another theme should result in a process to copy over the activated theme | 11:41 |
| jacekowski | well not used locales | 11:41 |
| Venemo | I believe the active theme is loaded in the memory, anyway | 11:41 |
| jacekowski | there is like 30M file with all locales | 11:41 |
| Venemo | correct me if I'm wrong | 11:41 |
| haj | hm ... for some reason a lot of icons are missing after unmoveroot.sh | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo: not helpful | 11:42 |
| timeless_mbp | files on the emmc aren't reachable during system init | 11:42 |
| timeless_mbp | which includes the first pass of the SIM Lock | 11:42 |
| Venemo | yes, I know | 11:42 |
| Venemo | hm | 11:42 |
| Venemo | I haven't had any problems with it | 11:42 |
| timeless_mbp | we did, it was iirc one of the delays in pr1.2 | 11:43 |
| timeless_mbp | because it took a long time for people to realize that merely hosting themes on the emmc wasn't safe :( | 11:43 |
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| Venemo | timeless_mbp: huh, are you affiliated with Maemo development? | 11:43 |
| haj | how does the icons work? are they cached somehow? | 11:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo: if being employed by Nokia to work on it counts, then, I suppose so | 11:44 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 11:44 | |
| timeless_mbp | wouldn't it be great if there were some place where you could see who was involved in maemo? | 11:45 |
| timeless_mbp | something like http://maemo.org/profile/list/ ? | 11:45 |
| timeless_mbp | where you could then look people up, and see who they are and what they do? | 11:45 |
| timeless_mbp | something like http://maemo.org/profile/view/timeless/ ? | 11:45 |
| timeless_mbp | wow, why don't they get right on it? | 11:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | surely with enough time machine resources they could get it deployed! | 11:46 |
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| Venemo | timeless_mbp: look, I'm sorry, i'm quite new here | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, take some time and browse maemo.org | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | oddly, the people working on it have invested a lot of time to try to help people | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a real shame for their work to be ignored | 11:48 |
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| Venemo | timeless_mbp: I don't ignore anyone's work | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | and don't get defensive | 11:49 |
| timeless_mbp | you're likely to make even more embarrassing comments in doing so :) | 11:49 |
| Venemo | I'm sorry, I didn't mean to insult you in any way :P | 11:49 |
| Venemo | I just haven't met any of the Maemo developers on IRC yet | 11:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, that you know of :-b | 11:50 |
| * timeless_mbp isn't quite sure what a maemo developer is | 11:50 | |
| Venemo | true :) | 11:50 |
| * timeless_mbp would sometimes count luke-jr and hrw perhaps (they were talking earlier) | 11:51 | |
| Venemo | I haven't heard about them yet | 11:51 |
| hrw | ? | 11:52 |
| Venemo | I know only a few people from the community | 11:52 |
| Venemo | (yet) | 11:52 |
| timeless_mbp | s/yet/so far/ | 11:52 |
| hrw | it depends what 'maemo developer' means | 11:53 |
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| Venemo | I meant those people who took part in the creation and development of Maemo | 11:54 |
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| hrw | I wrote app for maemo, hacked few existing ones, know how system works and can alter some things. this can mean 'maemo developer' | 11:54 |
| hrw | Venemo: so you mean Maemo developer from Nokia Maemo team and Nokia contracted companies | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm in the credits for 'lsof' and 'lsof' is in Maemo | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | is that sufficient? :) | 11:55 |
| Venemo | :) | 11:55 |
| * timeless_mbp has actually made multiple (albeit trivial) contributions to lsof | 11:55 | |
| * Venemo is sorry for being ambiguous | 11:56 | |
| timeless_mbp | ambiguity is part of English | 11:56 |
| Venemo | :D | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | the lesson to learn here is to recognize when people are hinting that you were ambiguous | 11:56 |
| Venemo | indeed | 11:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | my hint was "* timeless_mbp isn't quite sure what a maemo developer is" | 11:57 |
| Venemo | you are right, a "Maemo developer" can mean a person who developped Maemo itself, or a person who develops for the Maemo platform | 11:57 |
| Venemo | the latter also fits me | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly, i suck, since i do a bit of everything | 11:57 |
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| Venemo | what do you mean? | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | i work on some upstreams, i work for nokia, and i write some stuff which runs on maemo | 11:58 |
| Venemo | nice :) | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | which means that pretty much no matter which definition you want to pick, i'm probably matched | 11:58 |
| Venemo | :):) | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | but that doesn't help people understand what you mean | 11:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | it does mean "you got me" | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | hi, :) | 11:58 |
| Venemo | :) | 11:59 |
| * timeless_mbp gets an over the air update | 11:59 | |
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| Venemo | what sort of update? | 12:00 |
| lbt_ | Venemo: you're new and you met timeless_mbp.... oooh.... | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | http://maemo.nokia.com/features/maemo-update/ | 12:00 |
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| Venemo | timeless_mbp: I know what an OTA update is... | 12:01 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: I just thought that the last one was 1.2 and it arrived two weeks ago | 12:01 |
| nidO | as the page timeless linked to states, software installed to the device gets updated ota too | 12:02 |
| Venemo | uh, okay | 12:02 |
| Venemo | I already know that, too | 12:02 |
| Venemo | I just thought he meant a fw update | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | Venemo: yes, the last publicly delivered update was 1.2 | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | but we've already established that i work for Nokia.. | 12:03 |
| Venemo | oh... | 12:03 |
| psycho_oreos | is it just me or has the location for deb packages under pr1.2 being relocated to somewhere secretive? or being deleted on the spot | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | psycho_oreos: eh? | 12:03 |
| psycho_oreos | timeless_mbp, I know the downloaded deb packages (including updates) usually goes into /var/cache/apt/archives. Since pr1.2, all the updates that I went through with application manager seems to delete those downloaded packages as soon as the said programs needs updating | 12:05 |
| psycho_oreos | almost like as if I were to download packages from ovi store which usually marks those packages as user/hidden | 12:05 |
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| * timeless_mbp doesn't think ham ever used /var/cache/apt/archives | 12:05 | |
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| psycho_oreos | ham? as in hamattan or something like that? | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | !ham | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | ~ham | 12:06 |
| infobot | somebody said ham was oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Hildon application Manager Ham is also lovely with pickle. | 12:06 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh | 12:06 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm bummer lol so it seems like I should've gone through updating using apt-get afterall oh well, thanks | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | it uses /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache i believe | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, i'd like to retract my comment about recalling seeing a cursor in chromium | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't find one | 12:08 |
| psycho_oreos | I did a system-wide search for deb files and trying to go through the list manually to see where it could have reside but none of the newly downloaded apps were visible apart from the location I initially indicated and other personally created directories | 12:08 |
| * psycho_oreos will dig deeper again | 12:09 | |
| psycho_oreos | thanks timeless_mbp will look into it | 12:09 |
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| psycho_oreos | hmm its blank, looks like its being deleted as soon as the packages are being installed | 12:10 |
| psycho_oreos | s/blank/empty/g | 12:11 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: hmm its empty, looks like its being deleted as soon as the packages are being installed | 12:11 |
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| * timeless_mbp didn't say it was a particularly persistent cache ;-b | 12:13 | |
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| psycho_oreos | I suppose that's probably how ham handles packages :) meaning that in the future I'll just have to go through the old fashioned method | 12:15 |
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| psycho_oreos | now I have a stupid question, packages made for diablo are definitely incompatible with fremantle right? :) trying to get privoxy but am lazy to do it all in scratchbox | 12:19 |
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| alterego | Need four more karma for my app | 13:01 |
| alterego | Who wants to do some testing? :) | 13:01 |
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| Surfa | what app | 13:03 |
| alterego | Surfa: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.2/ | 13:04 |
| hrw | alterego: what exactly does it do? | 13:06 |
| hrw | ah.. nowplaying status plugin | 13:06 |
| alterego | It updates your IM accounts status messages to reflect the song you're listening to on the media player. | 13:06 |
| alterego | Yes, | 13:06 |
| hrw | sorry, no testing from me. I use last.fm on desktop | 13:07 |
| alterego | And that stops you from testing? | 13:07 |
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| alterego | Where's your community support! :P | 13:07 |
| hrw | alterego: who said that I support community? | 13:07 |
| timeless_mbp | s/support/spirit/ | 13:07 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: yeah, that's probably better :) | 13:08 |
| alterego | hrw: do you actually have anything better to do right now? | 13:08 |
| alterego | :P | 13:08 |
| alterego | I think they should update package karma weights. | 13:08 |
| alterego | So the more experienced the community member the more karma points they give a pacage. | 13:09 |
| alterego | Would solve my problem :P | 13:09 |
| hrw | alterego: yes. merging normal and cross rules in ubuntu gcc-4.5 packaging | 13:09 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, that sounds like fun | 13:10 |
| eitama | Hello everybody! Doesn't anyone know how to adapt this example : http://pastebin.com/MYMgpCcE into letting me get ALL phoneNumbers of a contact? | 13:10 |
| alterego | hrw: boring .. Test and vote for my package :P | 13:10 |
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| alterego | Or just vote .. It has been tested through the kazoo. | 13:11 |
| alterego | Plus, you get extra karma for it .. | 13:11 |
| alterego | I was kind of disappointed I missed that MeeGo wiki page :( | 13:12 |
| hrw | alterego: I tend to gather karma by insulting nokia on my blog | 13:12 |
| alterego | I woke up at seven to, I thought, hrm, I could check maemo.org, but didn't and just fell asleep again. | 13:13 |
| alterego | hrw: well, that's hardly productive is it :P | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | which meego wiki page? | 13:13 |
| alterego | Bananasandpears | 13:14 |
| alterego | Quim deleted it shortly after the t.m.o post about it.l | 13:14 |
| alterego | Sounded like some leaked handheld UX pictures and page | 13:14 |
| alterego | Reggie found it on the meego.org wiki | 13:14 |
| hrw | alterego: no pictures | 13:14 |
| alterego | Oh, no pictures? | 13:15 |
| alterego | Boring, don't mind anymore :) | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | einval: presumably it depends on what kind of object 'a' is | 13:15 |
| hrw | alterego: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=pl&q=cache:http://wiki.meego.com/BananasandPears&btnG=Szukaj&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= | 13:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | the page is still in gcache | 13:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | ooh, meego is great because it does mult-tasking | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | does that mean symbian is great? :) | 13:17 |
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| alterego | That is a lot of text ... | 13:17 |
| alterego | And no pictures :( :D | 13:18 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: symbian is even more great | 13:18 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: do you fancy voting/testing my package? | 13:18 |
| timeless_mbp | is that because it can multi-multi-task? :) | 13:18 |
| alterego | I need 4 more! | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: give me the necessary accounts, and sure | 13:19 |
| tybollt | alterego: ? | 13:19 |
| alterego | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.2/ | 13:19 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: you mean IM accounts? :P | 13:19 |
| tybollt | alterego: there was a wiki leaked that is on the official site and all and quim deleted the post? | 13:19 |
| * tybollt confused now | 13:19 | |
| alterego | tybollt: yes, that's what appeared to happen. | 13:19 |
| tybollt | s33kr|tz | 13:20 |
| tybollt | alterego: if the page is readily available on meego.com then why can't we look at it? | 13:20 |
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| alterego | tybollt: it was a page on the wiki, that Quim deleted this morning after someone put it up. | 13:20 |
| alterego | Probably by mistake. | 13:20 |
| tybollt | aaah | 13:21 |
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| alterego | He put a cheaky comment: "Waiting for Handheld UX Day 1" or something. | 13:22 |
| alterego | Cheaky man. | 13:22 |
| alterego | ~cheeky .. | 13:22 |
| alterego | I've not had a coffee yet :) | 13:22 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 13:22 | |
| timeless_mbp | does 'appdownloader' not support testing? | 13:22 |
| alterego | Not sure, but I was going to look into helping that project today, but I'm not sure I'm going to have the time. | 13:23 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: category 'devel'?? | 13:23 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: multimedia | 13:23 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: ham claims it's devel | 13:24 |
| alterego | Erm, it's in extras-devel and in extras-testing | 13:24 |
| alterego | It should be under multimedia in HAM on both | 13:24 |
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| alterego | Section: | 13:24 |
| alterego | user/multimedia | 13:24 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | you're right | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | it's Catalog, not Category | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | that's confusing | 13:26 |
| alterego | Neat, Zenbound is in ovi store | 13:26 |
| alterego | 4 quid, hrm ... :) | 13:27 |
| alterego | I think I will buy it | 13:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | alterego: please fix the first line of your description | 13:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | it shouldn't be a sentence | 13:28 |
| alterego | What should it be? | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | some sort of phrase :) | 13:29 |
| alterego | I don't see anything wrong with it .. | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | mdbus2 and NeHeGLES have proper first line descriptions | 13:30 |
| alterego | Is there something specific in the QA docs that say anything about that? :P | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: it's from debian packaging rules | 13:30 |
| alterego | ffff | 13:30 |
| alterego | maemo is different | 13:30 |
| alterego | We use that line to have a formative description of the package. | 13:30 |
| alterego | In HAM | 13:30 |
| eitama | Can anyone explain the 3rd argument for me in this method : ? QList<QContactDetail> QContact::details ( const QString & definitionName, const QString & fieldName, const QString & value ) const | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | look at media in ham | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | most of the items that aren't lame (canola addins are lame) don't use sentences for the first line | 13:31 |
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| alterego | Well, what would you suggest I put there instead? | 13:31 |
| alterego | And after the effort it's taken me to get just 6 votes .. | 13:31 |
| alterego | I can't be f*cked to start all over again :( | 13:31 |
| alterego | Just for a bloody description line :P | 13:31 |
| alterego | Is it just the punctuation you have issue with? | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | probably | 13:33 |
| alterego | :P | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | (and add the word 'the' before current) | 13:33 |
| alterego | You're going to do me for grammer, you bloody pedant :P | 13:34 |
| alterego | omfg | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | you know who i am | 13:34 |
| alterego | It's just a friggin' description! | 13:34 |
| alterego | Heh, it plays it's purpose. | 13:34 |
| alterego | It's not confusing | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | "Use current song for IM status message" | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | is what I'd suggest | 13:34 |
| alterego | Noted, I'll add it to 0.3 | 13:34 |
| alterego | now vote for 0.2 :P | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | how do i use it? :) | 13:35 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:35 |
| alterego | You install it, then you go into the Settings app and in the bottom section you'll see the configuration UI | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | "via" is wrong | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | "on my" is better | 13:35 |
| alterego | Good job you can change it :P | 13:36 |
| alterego | And what if it isn't mine? :P | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | you're listening to music on someone else's n900? | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | thief! | 13:36 |
| alterego | :) | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | you could use "@n900" instead of "on my Nokia N900" | 13:37 |
| alterego | "Use current song/artist for IM status message" | 13:37 |
| alterego | That better? | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 13:37 |
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| alterego | Okay, that's in 0.3 :) | 13:37 |
| alterego | And in the changelog: "* Updated description line for timeless" | 13:38 |
| alterego | :P | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 13:38 |
| pexi | "Tweet and spam facebook lyrics of the current song and artist bio cause people are so interested" | 13:39 |
| alterego | pexi: doesn't do that. | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | > Listening to "Closer To Where You Want Me" by "Chad Gendason" on my Nokia N900 | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | the music is cr*p | 13:39 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:39 |
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| alterego | pexi: in version 0.4 I was thinking of adding a "get video from youtube and publish on facebook" button. | 13:40 |
| alterego | So if you really like a song you can do that. | 13:40 |
| pexi | :) | 13:40 |
| alterego | But it doesn't update facebook status messages. | 13:40 |
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| alterego | Oooo, buying my first ovi app :) | 13:44 |
| timeless_mbp | demand a refund! | 13:44 |
| kW_ | alterego: uuh, did you use just free software before that? :-) | 13:45 |
| alterego | Yes | 13:45 |
| alterego | There was nothing particularly interesting. | 13:45 |
| alterego | I'll probably buy the angry birds level pack too later. | 13:45 |
| alterego | If I can be assed. | 13:45 |
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| kW_ | assed? | 13:47 |
| alterego | When I can convince myself to do it. | 13:47 |
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| HtheB | MohammadAG51, | 13:47 |
| alterego | Erm, it's not done anything :( | 13:49 |
| alterego | It's said I've "downloaded" it, but, well, I haven't. | 13:49 |
| alterego | wtf .. | 13:49 |
| alterego | confusing ... | 13:50 |
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| FIQ | New firmware available? | 13:51 |
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| FIQ | Got SMS from Nokia stating that, but it felt strange update came THAT fast | 13:52 |
| satmd | huh? | 13:53 |
| ian_r | stskeeps: i tried out the latest hildon-theme-example-stskeeps, and it looks like it's missing the new pr1.2 keyboard and some other stuff. i also tried forking D-Iivil's d-theme-night with the try_it_out script (it has the new pr1.2 stuff) and that worked fine. | 13:53 |
| FIQ | hm | 13:53 |
| FIQ | nope, no upgrade | 13:53 |
| satmd | sounds phishy to me | 13:53 |
| alterego | Thankyou timeless :) | 13:55 |
| alterego | Oh, it downloads in the background through the browser .. | 13:58 |
| alterego | Interesting .. | 13:58 |
| alterego | Anyhow, shower time. | 13:58 |
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| HtheB | happy ending! | 14:15 |
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| crashanddie | satmd: there's been a few threads on TMO regarding htis | 14:24 |
| crashanddie | satmd: loads of people have received the texts, but there is no new update. It would appear this is a mass SMS'ing to warn the public at large that PR1.2 is availab.e | 14:25 |
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| satmd | oh | 14:27 |
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| Jaffa | Gaaaaaaaaaagh | 14:28 |
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| * SpeedEvil performs the heinlich manouever on Jaffa. | 14:28 | |
| satmd | heimlich | 14:28 |
| * crashanddie starts dancing while listening to Foals - Olympic Airways | 14:28 | |
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| crashanddie | what's up Jaffa? | 14:29 |
| * SpeedEvil starts dancing while listening to "BBC - More Or Less'. | 14:30 | |
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| * achipa starts dancing while listening to "Basil Poledouris - Battle of the Mounds (Part 1)" | 14:32 | |
| achipa | NOT | 14:32 |
| alterego | timeless: your karma is pretty low for an old timer. | 14:33 |
| alterego | Not that I can say much .. Mine's lower :P | 14:33 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: Dealing with communication and "community" issues :-/ | 14:38 |
| Jaffa | Oh, he's gone | 14:38 |
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| achipa | Jaffa: he's dancing by himself | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 14:40 |
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| crashanddie | alterego: but you're not an old timer | 14:45 |
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| tybollt | define oldtimer crashie | 14:45 |
| crashanddie | more than 3 or 4 years within Maemo? | 14:46 |
| alterego | crashanddie: yeah | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | using the 770, and sticking with the NITs ever since? | 14:46 |
| alterego | Been here since about 2006 | 14:46 |
| alterego | Indeed | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | oh really? | 14:46 |
| alterego | I have one of every tablet | 14:46 |
| alterego | Sure, I've been here for ages. | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | I thought you were n8x0 generation. | 14:46 |
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| alterego | No, I had a 770 | 14:46 |
| * tybollt fights the pressing urge to YARLY!11 :) | 14:46 | |
| alterego | And I was here before I made the choice of getting one :P | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | troll | 14:47 |
| alterego | I was using the SDK waaaaaay before I got the device. | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | aye, ditto | 14:47 |
| * tybollt slaps MohammadAG51 w/ frals | 14:47 | |
| crashanddie | well, I cheated, school bought me an n800, then I bought an n810. | 14:47 |
| alterego | Admittedly, I'm not sure when I first logged into IRC though. | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | tybollt, grr, now I have to shower, again | 14:48 |
| alterego | I've always generally been more on here than on the community site. | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | there's a community site? | 14:48 |
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| alterego | And I never really did anything on ITT, I've only recently been posting regularly on t.m.o | 14:48 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG51: Do you believe netanyahu's latest? | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | I'm not really into politics, what about him | 14:49 |
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| tybollt | talk about lifting some of the blockade against gaza, but meh... | 14:50 |
| pupnik | ##politics is full of talk about it | 14:50 |
| pigeon | what's a way to see why an app isn't launcher via the launcher (but it runs fine from the terminal)? | 14:50 |
| crashanddie | best TMO post ever: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=718383&postcount=40 | 14:50 |
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| MohammadAG51 | pigeon, try to guess? :P, seriously, pastebin the desktop file | 14:51 |
| alterego | So, what do people think about having testing karma weighted to the voters karma score? I think people with more community experience should be worth more when it comes to testing. | 14:51 |
| pupnik | pigeon: i would extract that app's .deb archive and look whether it has a desktop file | 14:51 |
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| alterego | It's been a pain getting 10 people to vote for my package, and I still need more :( | 14:51 |
| pupnik | crashanddie: ++ | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol crashanddie | 14:51 |
| alterego | I need 3 more votes. | 14:51 |
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| MohammadAG51 | you're not getting them, haha | 14:52 |
| pigeon | it's mobilehotspot if you have it, but otherwise: http://pastebin.com/DJXjs3zE | 14:52 |
| * MohammadAG51 votes down | 14:52 | |
| MohammadAG51 | now you need 4 | 14:52 |
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| MohammadAG51 | idk, take out the stuff after /usr/bin/mobilehostpot | 14:53 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: I specifically think people in the range of 300-400 should have a weight of 10 times others. :) | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | and /usr/bin is in a user's path, you can take that out too | 14:53 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: 2x would have got me into extras by now :P | 14:54 |
| pupnik | commercial websites suck, because they rely on keeping your eyes away from the information you are looking-for | 14:54 |
| * SpeedEvil should do more testing, but only got round to a couple of packages yesterday. Going through all the interface, and doing powertop, et al is a bit timeonsuming. | 14:54 | |
| alterego | Is it worth a brainstorm? | 14:54 |
| alterego | Yeah | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: what package? | 14:55 |
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| alterego | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.2/ | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | media-im-status-updater | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | ha! | 14:55 |
| alterego | I might make a irssi command binding for that :) | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: ##politics is a heap of shit | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | After this operation, 17.6MB of additional disk space will be used. | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | 14:56 | |
| SpeedEvil | wtf? | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - pyside | 14:56 |
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| alterego | :) | 14:56 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:56 |
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| alterego | Yeah, the actual package is tiny ;) | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, who uses HAM! | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | No, it's really not, if most people don't have pyside | 14:56 |
| pigeon | MohammadAG51: doesn't help | 14:57 |
| alterego | Well, all my stuff is going to be based on PySide | 14:57 |
| * SpeedEvil stabs all 'but the actual package is tiny' people. | 14:57 | |
| alterego | So, consider it an investment ... | 14:57 |
| pigeon | it was working before, but at some point it broke... | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | pigeon, i'd be surprised if hildon-desktop outputs errors, but you could kill hildon-desktop and start it from terminal | 14:58 |
| arachnist | hi | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | apt-get --reinstall install mobilehostpot then | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | pigeon: never use that line during a car sale | 14:58 |
| alterego | Anyone installed zenwrap? | 14:58 |
| alterego | Quite fun :) | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | zen bound? | 14:58 |
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| pigeon | crashanddie: ;) | 14:58 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: yeah, that one. | 14:58 |
| arachnist | is there any way to disable "automatic sync of package manager repos after connecting to internet" on the n900? | 14:58 |
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| Venemo | arachnist, yes it is | 14:58 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG51: o_O mobilehotspot? this what I think it is? o_O | 14:58 |
| * SpeedEvil points to arachnists question. | 14:58 | |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, yeah, the music's better than the game at some points :P | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | tybollt, it's been there for ages | 14:59 |
| alterego | I like how it says "Made for headphones" at the beginning :) | 14:59 |
| arachnist | Venemo: other than removing, for example, /usr/libexec/apt-worker? | 14:59 |
| pupnik | crashanddie: politics is also a heap of shit ;) | 14:59 |
| Venemo | alterego: btw, I voted for your package :P | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, cause it sounds better in headphones | 14:59 |
| * MohammadAG51 votes it down | 14:59 | |
| alterego | Venemo: I know, thank you :) | 14:59 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: unless you've got a load of accounts, voting it down will only work once :P | 14:59 |
| pigeon | tybollt: what do you think it is? ;) | 15:00 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i haz friendz | 15:00 |
| alterego | Venemo: how is your project going? Did my idea help you? | 15:00 |
| Venemo | arachnist: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: you know how people use the world "surreal" when things are really, not? | 15:00 |
| Venemo | alterego: it did help, a lot! | 15:00 |
| pigeon | MohammadAG51: wicked, reinstalling fixes it... | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 15:00 |
| alterego | Venemo: sweet | 15:00 |
| Venemo | alterego: yesterday I couldn't finish it, but now I'm working on creating a workable application :) | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | I think this nearly qualifies as "surreal": "A German student created a major traffic jam in Bavaria after making a rude gesture at a group of Hell's Angels motorcycle gang members, hurling a puppy at them and then escaping on a stolen bulldozer." | 15:00 |
| arachnist | Venemo: thanks | 15:00 |
| pigeon | hmm, its postinst does two things, gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor and update-sudoers | 15:01 |
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| alterego | Venemo: well, that's good. I saw the problem has been ongoing for a few days for you before yesterday :D | 15:01 |
| Venemo | arachnist: look at the bottom of the page | 15:01 |
| pigeon | hmm | 15:01 |
| pigeon | MohammadAG51: anyway, thanks. | 15:01 |
| arachnist | Venemo: yeah, there's "contents" on top | 15:01 |
| Venemo | alterego: indeed, but yesterday and the day before that I was mostly distracted by the new Qt Creator... | 15:01 |
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| alterego | Heh | 15:02 |
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| MohammadAG51 | pigeon, update-sudoers is there to update well, sudoers, i.e it's running something with sudo | 15:02 |
| Venemo | alterego: I found a few bugs in it that prevented me from even running my app | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | the other script is empty since 1.1 | 15:02 |
| pigeon | ok | 15:02 |
| alterego | Venemo: Yeah, you said. Do you ever get the problem when after running a program, doesn't matter on the target, you can no longer edit your source? | 15:02 |
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| MohammadAG51 | pigeon, compare desktop file | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | s | 15:03 |
| Venemo | alterego: after re-enabling the packaging step, no | 15:03 |
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| Venemo | alterego: however, there was also a problem with that one, but I was fortunate enough to solve it :) | 15:04 |
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| alterego | Venemo: this is a problem I've had with all versions of Qt Creator, even when developing for desktop, so no packaging at all anyway. | 15:04 |
| alterego | Venemo: as soon as I run the app, 1/20 times the editor wont be working afterwards. | 15:05 |
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| alterego | Sometimes you can coax it back into life by doing another build, or re-running the program. | 15:05 |
| alterego | But otherwise, it's really bloody annoying :) | 15:05 |
| Venemo | alterego: interesting, for me it has always worked | 15:05 |
| alterego | Venemo: what OS? | 15:05 |
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| Venemo | alterego: Windows 7 | 15:05 |
| pigeon | MohammadAG51: interesting. now there are a lot less stuff in the desktop file | 15:05 |
| pigeon | all those X- are gone for instance... | 15:06 |
| midas__ | hey, did anyone else got a text that a new update was available? | 15:06 |
| Venemo | alterego: but I'm quite new to Qt -> perhaps beginner's luck? | 15:06 |
| alterego | Hrm, yeah, I imagine it has something to do with ubuntu 64bit | 15:06 |
| alterego | Venemo: possibly. :) | 15:06 |
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| Venemo | alterego: :) | 15:06 |
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| MohammadAG51 | timeless_mbp, fix your loadfile, you should have a changed host before you join the channel | 15:06 |
| alterego | I still reckon it's 64bit ubuntu/linux that it has issues with. I should probably ask #qtcreator or whatever. | 15:06 |
| Venemo | alterego: yeah | 15:07 |
| Venemo | alterego: btw, the Qt Creator guys have been very helpful | 15:07 |
| alterego | Cool | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol @ suggestion for a "Comes with pr0n" capaign | 15:08 |
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| MohammadAG51 | campaign* | 15:08 |
| Venemo | brb | 15:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG51: ?? | 15:13 |
| pupnik | "What's the problem in Nokia!? People is not working as a team!!" thread is full of sh** | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | people are doing nothing but working as a team, heh | 15:15 |
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| HtheB | something is stinking | 15:17 |
| HtheB | badly | 15:17 |
| HtheB | very badly | 15:17 |
| Rabidus | bugs? | 15:18 |
| HtheB | did u fart pupnik !? | 15:18 |
| HtheB | >:( | 15:18 |
| HtheB | Anyone played Zen Bound? | 15:18 |
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| HtheB | When do we get an Analog clock as a widget? :p | 15:19 |
| HtheB | haha | 15:19 |
| ManoftheSea | when you program it. | 15:20 |
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| alterego | cairo clock has been around for a while. | 15:20 |
| HtheB | cairo clock | 15:20 |
| HtheB | hmmm | 15:20 |
| HtheB | for N900? | 15:20 |
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| alterego | I believe so | 15:21 |
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| HtheB | seems like its for N810 | 15:22 |
| andre41 | what about nclock? | 15:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | oclock | 15:28 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: you testing my app? | 15:30 |
| SpeedEvil | no. | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | why oh why does my scratchbox install break on each reboot | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I am lubricating my chainsaw. | 15:31 |
| alterego | Heh, is it your sysctl settings? :P | 15:31 |
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| MohammadAG | O_o | 15:31 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, I have to reinstall the scratchbox* debs again | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | It says something similar to cannot run C compiled programs | 15:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4693091125/ - trying to make this hedge sane | 15:32 |
| alterego | Erm, hmmmm ... | 15:32 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, nuke it from orbit, its the only way to be sure | 15:32 |
| deegee__ | SpeedEvil: flamethrower? | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | throw bric.... err N900s at it! | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | yay, I broke it even more ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! | 15:33 |
| Tachikoma | there is this really great stuff from monsanto | 15:33 |
| Tachikoma | i think its called "rounup" | 15:34 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: just don't reboot :P | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, you do realize all your email/skype addresses/names are in the screenshot right? :P | 15:34 |
| Tachikoma | that nukes everything green | 15:34 |
| pupnik | SpeedEvil has a real cool house/project | 15:34 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: indeed, but I don't really care :P | 15:34 |
| Tachikoma | just spray it on and planbt a new hedge after a week | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Tachikoma: It's ~100 years old - the hedge | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Tachikoma: The beech trees it is comprised of have trunks 12" in diameter | 15:35 |
| Tachikoma | will not help against roundup :) | 15:35 |
| MohammadAG | This'll be one PITA, and it prolly won't work, but.. downloading nautilus source | 15:35 |
| alterego | I tried doing it once, a lot of gnome deps. | 15:35 |
| an0therb0x | can anyone help with this issue.... I am no longer able to play clips i record with my n900 when plug to my tv with the component cables.. but clips and movies i transferred to the device including the "9" preview will play on my tv but not the ones i recorded with the n900....very strange | 15:36 |
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| lcuk | an0therb0x, do they play on the regular screen | 15:37 |
| HtheB | andre41, nclock is not a widget | 15:37 |
| an0therb0x | lcuk: everything plays on the regular screen... yes | 15:37 |
| andre41 | HtheB, grrr, when the author should change his/her package description. sorry :-/ | 15:37 |
| lcuk | and what happens when you have tvout regularly - around the desktop etc | 15:37 |
| andre41 | s/when/then | 15:38 |
| Tachikoma | SpeedEvil: the poison works by stopping the photosynthesis to work, not the best thing for most of the plants .... | 15:39 |
| an0therb0x | lcuk: my recorded clips will play on the n900 screen but do not show on the tv, maybe its a pal/ntsc thing .. maybe | 15:39 |
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| HtheB | =( | 15:40 |
| lcuk | an0therb0x, like i said, just on the regular dashboard, not trying to play movies does tvout show correctly | 15:40 |
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| an0therb0x | lcuk: tv out shows correctly | 15:41 |
| lcuk | ok, so its not a pal/ntsc thing.. | 15:41 |
| lcuk | now with tvout running if you start a movie | 15:41 |
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| lcuk | what happens | 15:41 |
| lcuk | does it turn black | 15:41 |
| lcuk | or does it continue showing regular desktop ui | 15:41 |
| an0therb0x | lcuk: yes it turns black when playing my recorded clips | 15:42 |
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| lcuk | an0therb0x, and at the same time thats black, the main n900 is showing the clip correctly | 15:43 |
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| an0therb0x | lcuk: correct the clip its displayed on the device | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | it *sounds* like the yuv overlay is opening, but the movie is then being played back on regular rgb still | 15:44 |
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| an0therb0x | lcuk: you lost me there | 15:46 |
| lcuk | an0therb0x, the n900 can show 2 types of data to the tv out | 15:47 |
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| lcuk | the regular desktop rgb x11 windows, or the yuv overlay | 15:47 |
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| alterego | Wow, do people actually still use ICQ | 15:48 |
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| vldcnst | http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7420/screenshot2010061715484.png http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6114/screenshot2010061715245.png any idea what could be causing the battery to discharge this fast? stock fresh pr1.2, two months old batt | 15:49 |
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| vldcnst | and that was normal to high usage, but i think the battery discharges faster than normal | 15:50 |
| Tachikoma | alterego: quite a lot | 15:50 |
| an0therb0x | lcuk: i noticed this after the firmware update... but it may not be related | 15:50 |
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| lcuk | an0therb0x, it does sound odd | 15:53 |
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| Stskeeps | for the Hildon coders interested in MeeGo: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-June/003201.html | 15:56 |
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| alterego | I think I might keep a copy of this zen bound .deb, just in case. | 15:58 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, don't give it out, seriously, don't :) | 15:58 |
| alterego | I wasn't planning on it. | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, till the ovi store gains momentum at least | 15:58 |
| alterego | But if there's a download limit on ovi store. | 15:58 |
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| alterego | I don't want to accidentally exceed that by continually downloading it :P | 15:59 |
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| DaveR53 | I wonder if that download limit is for the life of the account or for a week or something | 15:59 |
| GAN900 | Ovi? Momentum? | 16:00 |
| GAN900 | Funny | 16:00 |
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| DaveR53 | MicroB didn't tell me it was downloading, so I clicked download again and when I looked in the download manager it was downloading twice | 16:01 |
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| DaveR53 | Very good game though | 16:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | vldcnst: powrtop | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | <GAN900> Ovi? Momentum? | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | <GAN900> Funny | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | I always wanted to be a comedian | 16:06 |
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| Surfa | well, ovi store has huge momentum in certain markets | 16:10 |
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| tybollt | Surfa: it has all of twenty downloads so far? | 16:15 |
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| Surfa | tybollt, well, there are people living outside western countries if you haven't noticed | 16:15 |
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| tybollt | orly | 16:15 |
| Surfa | your comments looked that you didn't know :P | 16:16 |
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| pigeon | oh... i see some new app on ovi | 16:16 |
| chem|st | there are countries in the east? thought its just some people with mulees | 16:16 |
| chem|st | and china... | 16:17 |
| pupnik | is there a quick way to just see replies to my messages on t.m.o? | 16:17 |
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| marmoute | chem|st: you forget the one with the bomb and the one who invented your donner kebab (als integrations factor) | 16:18 |
| pigeon | ah, zen boundit | 16:19 |
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| chem|st | pupnik: at your profile it lists how many replies a thread has only | 16:20 |
| chem|st | marmoute: döner kebab was invented in germany | 16:20 |
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| marmoute | chem|st: I know but by turkish worker. | 16:21 |
| chem|st | the one with the bomb? russia? | 16:21 |
| pupnik | chem|st: that is a very nice piece of trivia | 16:23 |
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| DigitalPioneer | GAN900: could you kick quim for keeping people alert for >10 days - for nothing >:-( | 16:26 |
| alterego | DigitalPioneer: why have you been alert for 10 days? :P | 16:26 |
| pupnik | what does 'on alert' mean | 16:27 |
| alterego | Yeah, that too. | 16:28 |
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| alterego | Vote for my app | 16:28 |
| * MohammadAG51 kickbans alterego | 16:28 | |
| alterego | I just need 3 more!>">!?!??!"£ | 16:28 |
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| MohammadAG51 | £? | 16:29 |
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| alterego | I wonder how successful zenbound will be, at 4GBP a pop, that's quite cool. | 16:29 |
| alterego | Right, I'm off, see you all later. | 16:30 |
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| chem|st | I wonder when meego will become open-source | 16:30 |
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| chem|st | crap the other way round I mean | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | GAN900: it's incredibly hard to ask all the neighbours to help catching a DHL package delivery, day for day for day. Probably the value of that package reaches break even with the value of all the favours I owe my neighbours very soon | 16:33 |
| ManoftheSea | can't you leave a sign on the door, "Please ring neighbor's bell"? | 16:35 |
| ManoftheSea | If you need a signature, they can't release it there anyway, right? | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | GAN900: and they already intercepted one delivery addressed to my landlord :-P | 16:35 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer2, yeah, I dunno what's up. . .. | 16:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | chem|st: open source becomes MeEgo? | 16:39 |
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| eitama | MohammadAG | 16:43 |
| * eitama wave | 16:43 | |
| * eitama waves | 16:43 | |
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| * MohammadAG waves back | 16:43 | |
| eitama | My app is working!!! | 16:43 |
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| MohammadAG | with calls? | 16:44 |
| eitama | Only gsm calls | 16:44 |
| eitama | yes | 16:44 |
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| eitama | for now | 16:44 |
| eitama | I will add skype and gmail | 16:44 |
| eitama | and also only english or numeric contacts | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | without dbus? | 16:44 |
| eitama | with (: | 16:44 |
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| eitama | but using QtDbus | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | HA! | 16:44 |
| eitama | hehehehe | 16:44 |
| eitama | Owned | 16:44 |
| * eitama Hides in plain sight | 16:44 | |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | eitama: gtk theme? | 16:45 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer2: DHL? Aka "we'll be there precisely at ANYTIME between 08:00-17:00 hours | 16:45 |
| tybollt | ? | 16:45 |
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| tybollt | :) | 16:45 |
| * tybollt long since gave up on that shit | 16:46 | |
| MohammadAG | Oh god, E3 is 936 + 1458 + 1382 MBs | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | tybollt: yep. even worse I got no idea about any tracking number or anything | 16:46 |
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| MohammadAG | (3 parts) | 16:46 |
| tybollt | I just tell them I'll pick up the package at their HUB | 16:46 |
| tybollt | doc: Oh then you're in for a PITA I suppose :) | 16:46 |
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| eitama | Anyone knows how to package an app and upload to garage/extras-devel from Qt SDK in windows? and wants to save me some time? | 16:46 |
| eitama | By explaining it to me ofc (: | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | tybm gilollt: yep, thanks qui | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | shit | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | tybollt: yes, thanks quim gil | 16:47 |
| tybollt | am I now ... tybLOLt? :) | 16:47 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer2: he sending you a new device I suppose? :) | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | I'm told he did | 16:47 |
| dneary | There was a funny Maemo bug today | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | dunno if that holds true | 16:48 |
| dneary | A guy reported a bug against the chess program for doing an illegal move. | 16:48 |
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| dneary | The sequence was 1. D2-D4 E4xD3 | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | hehehehe | 16:48 |
| tybollt | s/illegal/faulty/ | 16:48 |
| dneary | So I pointed him to en passant | 16:49 |
| dneary | tybollt, ? | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | s/faulty/new/ :-P | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | (new obviously only to the reporter) | 16:51 |
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| TriztN900 | dneary; do you have a link? | 16:53 |
| dneary | to the bug, or to an explanation of en passant? | 16:54 |
| TriztN900 | to the bug | 16:54 |
| dneary | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10694 | 16:54 |
| povbot | Bug 10694: Invalid move: After initial two-square move, pawn beaten on square in-between | 16:54 |
| TriztN900 | thanks | 16:55 |
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| lcuk | dneary, im surprised no1 has discovered a real bug with maemo chess yet :p | 16:55 |
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| dneary | lcuk, It's not like it's a new game with ill-understood rules... | 16:56 |
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| lcuk | dneary, tell that to my missus | 16:56 |
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| pupnik | i didn't remember en passant existed | 16:57 |
| TriztN900 | how many do really play chess? | 16:58 |
| dneary | TriztN900, Used to... never was any good | 16:58 |
| dneary | TriztN900, Now I prefer Go | 16:58 |
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| * TriztN900 nods | 16:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer2 | GAN900: tybollt: (DHL, PITA) yes, it probably would have been much less hostile to send me a couple of hooligans to run over me and my flat, than to announce a DHL shipment that obviously is a mere make up | 16:58 |
| lcuk | TriztN900, \o | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | Nokia's revenge, as they couldn't get me with PR1.2 :-P | 17:00 |
| DrGrov | Hello, gotta ask one little thing. I have been reading this blog article, http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/2010/06/15/mynokia-in-maemos-pr1-2-release/ | 17:00 |
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| DrGrov | And I wonder that does every N900 with PR 1.2 get automatically the MyNokia service? Does the MyNokia service have to be activated somehow by registering or? | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: see http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/2010/06/15/mynokia-in-maemos-pr1-2-release/ | 17:02 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: thanks. i surely hope Nokia does not have any bullshit going on this time around | 17:02 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I am reading that one, the link is the same :) lol | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10366 | 17:03 |
| povbot | Bug 10366: MyNokia SMS sent after update without any action from the user | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription | 17:03 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: thanks. reading | 17:03 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: how many cookies do I get from qgil if I send him this: http://www.segfault.free.fr/board2.html ? | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | crashanddie: ?? | 17:04 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer2: I just wrote a simple chess board in javascript | 17:05 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: thanks for the links. how does that really affect the use of the N900? I have never got any type of MyNokia message or such never. | 17:05 |
| Venemo | DrGrov: it is mostly a privacy issue | 17:05 |
| DrGrov | Venemo: ok, i see. | 17:05 |
| DrGrov | Any Finnish users got that MyNokia thing as well popping up? | 17:06 |
| Venemo | DrGrov: some people are concerned about what would happen if Noki would know their phone number | 17:06 |
| DrGrov | I have no memory of ever seeing it popping up with the PR 1.2 update | 17:06 |
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| DrGrov | Venemo: Ah, so they could use it illegally? | 17:06 |
| crashanddie | anyone here into chess? | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: I consider them knowing my number is illegal, and sending me SMS on arbitrary time of day is maximum annoying | 17:08 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: yes, they should not know your private number or any number what so ever. agreed with you on that. how can I check if the service is turned on without actually activating the bloody thing? | 17:09 |
| Venemo | DrGrov: settings / my nokia | 17:09 |
| Venemo | DrGrov: and it can be disabled | 17:09 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: ah, so the buggers keep sending SMS message throughout the day? | 17:09 |
| crashanddie | or more specifically: I want people to join me working on something: an online chess service that uses whichever front-end you want. No account creation. Set-up a new game in one click, send it to a friend, start playing. Use the same link in your N900 chess application. Move your pieces through twitter. | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | won't work, don't touch hat | 17:09 |
| Venemo | DrGrov: they haven't sent me anything yet | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | that* | 17:09 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: ah, so I should not go and touch the damn mynokia? | 17:09 |
| DrGrov | Venemo: you have not either got any SMS? I will give Nokia Health Care a angry god damn call tomorrow | 17:10 |
| DrGrov | Mark my word, they will hear about this | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | Venemo: DrGrov seems only way to check is to visit the MyNokia website and there your profile | 17:10 |
| Venemo | DrGrov: no, not really. | 17:10 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: ah, so if I do not keep getting SMS messages it most likely is not turned on? | 17:11 |
| Venemo | DrGrov: I had my nokia back on my old N95, and they hardly ever sent any SMSes for that, either | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: yep | 17:11 |
| Venemo | nah guys, brb | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: and trying to turn off will send (another) SMS and so reveal all detail that has been kept undisclosed so far | 17:12 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: perhaps a private secret phone number that most people have disables this? | 17:12 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: ah, so I should really not touch the bloody MyNokia then? | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | nope, never ever | 17:12 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: sorry, was not following you there. so if I do not get SMS messages from MyNokia the service is shut off? | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | unclear | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | you might have missed or they didn't send the welcome msg | 17:13 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer2, just fired off another email. We'll see. . . . | 17:13 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I have never ever missed a SMS. | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | GAN900: thanks, mate | 17:13 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: ah so they could actually not even send a welcome msg? | 17:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | maybe, nobody knows for sure | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10366 holds most exact detail I guess | 17:15 |
| povbot | Bug 10366: MyNokia SMS sent after update without any action from the user | 17:15 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: ok. You got a hidden number from address books online etc.? so no one can ask for your name and find your number? | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | exactly | 17:15 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: so it is due to the update itself the MyNokia message is being sent? | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | yes | 17:15 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: I got myself a hidden number as well. | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: and so far I get zero spam SMS | 17:16 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: I know I would have seen it with the PR 1.2 update the welcome message but no... | 17:16 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: ah, so perhaps it might be connected in a way to just pick unhidden numbers? Perhaps not though... | 17:16 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: so even if you don't get spam SMS there is a chance it is still active? | 17:17 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: it becomes active even though you never use MyNokia nor see the MyNokia screen nor get a welcome message? Sorry for my dumb questions... | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: if you have a means to get a listing of sent SMS from your carrier, you might be sure about any SMS sent to one of the numbers listed in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53565 | 17:18 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: I can get a listing of sent SMS from my carrier. The price I gotta pay though is a bit high... :/ | 17:18 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: If the message is sent it does not leave a message log on the device? | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: then your next best bet is to visit the MyNokia website and check your profile | 17:19 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: ah okay, i am checking MyNokia now as we speak. | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | NEVER touch the MyNokia thing in settings | 17:19 |
| Surfa | world will come to an end if you do that | 17:20 |
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| TriztN900 | I never understood what it is, what is mynokia? | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | no, it will just send SMS on your behalf and bill, to unknown destination with unknown content | 17:20 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: I am now checking the Finnish version of My Nokia but I am now 1100% percent sure I have never registered for My Nokia. | 17:20 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: the Ovi Store is different from My Nokia, correctly? | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | I guess it is a separate thing | 17:21 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: ok, good. Now I can be 11011% sure never I registered for My Nokia since I never register my phone number anywhere on the Internet nor anywhere else either. | 17:22 |
| Tachikoma | mynokia is that service that sends me all these sms that tell me that ovi ahs new and great content or that there is a new firmware available (the ovi store did not conatin anything new and of course there also was no update) that should only go to symbian users? | 17:22 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: and I predict that since I never got any type of My Nokia message nor 11010% registered I perhaps am safe. | 17:22 |
| Myrtti | oh crikey. | 17:23 |
| DrGrov | Tachikoma: ah, so my nokia is sending you also about updates? | 17:23 |
| nidO | nonexistant updates, yes | 17:23 |
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| Myrtti | on Android channel there is a General_Crespin. GeneralAntilles, is he a relative of yours ;-) | 17:23 |
| DrGrov | Tachikoma: I think it is more directed for Symbian users the firmware updates. | 17:23 |
| Myrtti | aw. bah | 17:24 |
| DrGrov | if Nokia even remotely is thinking about sending me some spam SMS I will make sure they know about it before.... | 17:24 |
| Tachikoma | DrGrov: yes, got two sms already telling me there would be a new update and points me to the webpage | 17:24 |
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| Tachikoma | All i saw there was a 34mb or so .exe file that i would not touch | 17:24 |
| DrGrov | Tachikoma: what webpage does it point you to? what type of update, firmware? | 17:25 |
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| Tachikoma | As said, I think this was for symbian mobiles (as they all weree listed there) i just wonder how hard it must be to filter the sms by OS ... | 17:25 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: did you register yourself with your phone number for My Nokia or checked the status on My Nokia? | 17:26 |
| Tachikoma | DrGrov: no details, just a exe file and the request to downlaod that and updgrade. Which totally would look like a bad attemt to install malwere if i would not have been the real nokia webpage | 17:26 |
| Tachikoma | DrGrov: i registered with the pr1.2 update, there was no way to continue booting without registering | 17:26 |
| DrGrov | Tachikoma: ah, yes. a serious attempt of installing malware. and strangely a .exe file... this happened on the N900? | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: I never registered actively for MyNokia | 17:26 |
| Tachikoma | DocScrutinizer2: I'm just saying, if the website would not have been really nokia which i checked I would have informed the police | 17:27 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: okay, just curious. I will keep my sticky fingers away from MyNokia then and not even check my status. | 17:27 |
| Tachikoma | yes, happened on n900 | 17:27 |
| DrGrov | Tachikoma: ah, so you could not boot your phone without accepting the MyNokia? | 17:27 |
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| DrGrov | So, let me get this straight now. The MyNokia thing comes at the same time the update is being done or after booting up the device after the PR 1.2 has finished installing? | 17:28 |
| Tachikoma | It's not that I would have expected anything else from Nokia after all my experience with nokia/n900. I'm not complaining as i don;t really care about a companies PR, I just have to giggle now and then and wonder what these guys are doing | 17:28 |
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| DrGrov | Tachikoma: they seem to be getting desperate.... lol | 17:29 |
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| Tachikoma | DrGrov: with PR1.2 firstboot you get a license displayed that you have to agree which includes the creation of a mynokia account. At least for me in germany here. Then I get a bunch of totally useless mails from nokia that are not even intended for my phone's os | 17:29 |
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| DrGrov | Tachikoma: ah ok, I have not got any mails... | 17:30 |
| DrGrov | Tachikoma: lol on the useless mails, typical Nokia | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | and that nonsense is done via SMS you have to pay for | 17:30 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: so it keeps just coming as SMS? lol... | 17:31 |
| TriztN900 | so booting with a none working sim is a way to get around it? | 17:31 |
| Tachikoma | DrGrov: it's sms's, not mail | 17:31 |
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| Tachikoma | and answering to them does not work | 17:31 |
| Tachikoma | I tried to send "WTF" back | 17:31 |
| pexi | just wait for iAdds.. | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | TriztN900: see http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription, basically yes, that's part of the workaround | 17:32 |
| DrGrov | what is a Nokia account then? | 17:32 |
| DrGrov | That is for the forums, right? | 17:32 |
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| Tachikoma | I personally don;t need nokia, ovi or anything - so I do not rerally care and see it as kind of an attempt in personal entertainment by nokia .... | 17:32 |
| Surfa | nope | 17:32 |
| Surfa | nokia account is for ovi | 17:32 |
| Tachikoma | DrGrov: i have no clue what a NOKIA ACCOUTN CAN DO AND NO PLANS TO FIND OUT ;) | 17:33 |
| Tachikoma | ups, sry for caps | 17:33 |
| tybollt | and still ovi is useless PoS on the N900 =) | 17:33 |
| tybollt | that's the irony of it all | 17:33 |
| TriztN900 | Doc: okey, but think it's too late for me | 17:33 |
| tybollt | nokia released their iPhone w/out an appstore | 17:33 |
| tybollt | so hilarious :) | 17:33 |
| TriztN900 | appstore suxx, use apt-get | 17:34 |
| DrGrov | Tachikoma: LOL :) | 17:34 |
| pupnik | repositories > appstores | 17:34 |
| Tachikoma | apt-get does not work with ovi store apps anymore, right? | 17:34 |
| DrGrov | Tachikoma: no problem for caps :) | 17:34 |
| Surfa | share on ovi is very useful imo | 17:34 |
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| TriztN900 | tachikoma: who cares, nothing useful there | 17:35 |
| DrGrov | Surfa: so nokia account is for Ovi? it has nothing to do with MyNokia then? | 17:35 |
| Surfa | DrGrov, no, mynokia is not exactly any account | 17:35 |
| Tachikoma | DrGrov: i *think* that the accoutn is to access all ovi and nokia stuff. But I would not be surprised at all if you need three or more accounts to use all of it. | 17:36 |
| Surfa | nokia account is unified account for ovi services | 17:36 |
| DrGrov | Surfa: ah ok, so it is a completely different story. i registered for a Nokia account last autumn when I still had the N97. | 17:36 |
| Surfa | Tachikoma, not true | 17:36 |
| Surfa | DrGrov, that's right | 17:36 |
| Tachikoma | Surfa: ok, so mynokia is just a PR tool? | 17:37 |
| Surfa | DrGrov, mynokia is just a way to give information for users about capabilities of their phones | 17:37 |
| DrGrov | Surfa: ok, so of course Ovi worked well with the N97. So thanks for clearing up that Nokia Account and MyNokia is two completely different things | 17:37 |
| Surfa | Tachikoma, not really, but depends on how you take it | 17:38 |
| Tachikoma | which nokia uses (at least in my case) as wrong it can be :) | 17:38 |
| DrGrov | Then I am positive I have not registered for any MyNokia BS | 17:38 |
| Surfa | Tachikoma, well, imo it's good way of usage for some people, but you should be able to deregister too | 17:38 |
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| Surfa | DrGrov, certain devices register themselves automatically upon first start | 17:38 |
| Surfa | with that infamous sms that no one is telling you | 17:39 |
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| Surfa | DrGrov, but actually my nokia and nokia account are linked in a way that you can handle your settings by logging in with you nokia account | 17:39 |
| Surfa | see https://my.nokia.com | 17:40 |
| DrGrov | Surfa: so it could have registered itself on PR 1.1 when I updated the first time when I got the device? | 17:40 |
| Surfa | DrGrov, i think that n900 registered itself only after pr1.2 update | 17:40 |
| Surfa | it didn't have mynokia capabilities before that | 17:40 |
| DrGrov | Surfa: ah ok. I remember something about MyNokia back with Pr 1.1. Perhaps I am mistaken? | 17:41 |
| Surfa | i may be wrong about that, I'm not 100% sure | 17:41 |
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| Surfa | but in general my nokia is just a information channel | 17:42 |
| DrGrov | But the strangest thing is that I have never got any SMS from MyNokia asking for anything | 17:42 |
| DrGrov | But as said, I am 101% sure that I have not registered upon PR 1.2 | 17:42 |
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| Surfa | DrGrov, do you get sms messages and want to get rid of them? | 17:43 |
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| GAN900 | Hooray for downed proxies | 17:43 |
| Surfa | you can change my nokia settings in https://account.nokia.com | 17:43 |
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| DrGrov | Surfa: no, that is the thing. I don't get any sms messages. | 17:44 |
| Surfa | ok :) | 17:44 |
| Surfa | DrGrov, if you want them, you can allow them to be sent from the same address | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: http://www.faq4mobiles.de/forum/nokia/82413-anleitung-mynokia-spam-sms-abstellen.html | 17:44 |
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| DrGrov | I am sure I answered no if there ever was that question | 17:44 |
| Surfa | there's tickers for e-mail and sms messages under the my nokia | 17:44 |
| DrGrov | God damn no, I do not want any MyNokia bs in my phone | 17:44 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: language problem here, not fluent German speaker :) | 17:45 |
| Surfa | even that I'm quite familiar with nokia devices, i must admit that every now and then the tip sms's contain something new, even for me | 17:45 |
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| DrGrov | Surfa: working for Nokia perhaps and giving some good PR? | 17:45 |
| DrGrov | Surfa: lol :) j/k | 17:46 |
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| Surfa | doesn't really matter where I work :) just a personal opinion here | 17:46 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all | 17:46 |
| Surfa | mostly they are useless crap, but sometimes i find them useful | 17:46 |
| PhonicUK | anyone else finding that the Ovi store is asking for some mythical Maemo update? | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.faq4mobiles.de/forum/nokia/82413-anleitung-mynokia-spam-sms-abstellen.html&sl=de&tl=en | 17:46 |
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| Surfa | DocScrutinizer2, where do we need this link anymore? :) | 17:47 |
| DrGrov | Surfa: ok, just checking with you that you are not the evil Nokia guy sitting in the office smiling :) | 17:47 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: thank you | 17:47 |
| Surfa | i just told where you can adjust your my nokia settings if you happen to have need for that | 17:47 |
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| Surfa | right place for that was account.nokia.com :) | 17:48 |
| Surfa | there are settings for all nokia services, along with my nokia | 17:48 |
| DrGrov | Surfa: thanks :) | 17:48 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: it seems like the MyNokia could be accepted or rejected when starting the phone the first time after buying it even though it was PR 1.1... Not sure though, perhaps I am misinterpreting something in that text you linked to. | 17:49 |
| Surfa | but all in all, my nokia is useful for some people, even that it's implemented in a little weird way that everyone get's spammed | 17:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | Surfa: the mynokia implementation is a crime - literally. At least under Germen and UK legisaltion | 17:50 |
| Surfa | DocScrutinizer2, i don't care really | 17:51 |
| Surfa | none of my problem, I'm just telling here how to get rid of it if you want to | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | Surfa: I don't care if you care. I hope Nokia will harvest the fruits of what they did | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | Surfa: and to me it sounds rather apologetic rather than you telling how to get rid of anything | 17:52 |
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| Surfa | do I look that I care for that either? :) | 17:53 |
| HtheB | DocScrutinizer, | 17:53 |
| HtheB | ifobot, tell HtheB about DocScrutinizer | 17:53 |
| HtheB | infobot, tell HtheB about DocScrutinizer | 17:53 |
| HtheB | meh, fail | 17:53 |
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| Surfa | i don't like pretending a free speach anti crime anti corporate jesus | 17:53 |
| Surfa | normal talk is just fine, no matter how it sounds | 17:54 |
| HtheB | oh, no fail :p | 17:54 |
| HtheB | anyway | 17:54 |
| HtheB | time to do some happy ending now | 17:54 |
| midas__ | is there a ovi store upgrade planned for today? | 17:55 |
| Appiah | ? | 17:55 |
| Surfa | midas__, how so? | 17:57 |
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| DrGrov | well, I support that was DocScrutinizer2 said | 17:57 |
| midas__ | because opened it and it told me to update my n900 | 17:58 |
| Appiah | Do you have PR1.2? | 17:58 |
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| midas__ | yep | 17:58 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: thanks for the help. talk to you later guys | 17:58 |
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| Appiah | oh , then I have no idea | 17:58 |
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| midas__ | strange thing is, i dont even have a new update available :P | 17:59 |
| Surfa | midas__, it seems to work for me (ovi store) | 17:59 |
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| midas__ | im running 10.2010.191 | 18:01 |
| midas__ | 19-1 | 18:01 |
| midas__ | oh wait | 18:02 |
| midas__ | hide user agent... | 18:02 |
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| Appiah | midas__: :D | 18:03 |
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| Surfa | I think i'm going to town to kich and punch some people.. maybe even choke them | 18:10 |
| Surfa | somewhere it might be crime, but it's fun anyway, I suggest everyone to try it out | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | k, sorry but can't resist, as it's so much fun!! | 18:12 |
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| Surfa | me too | 18:13 |
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| mintux | how to select text from pdf.and also a dictionery work on selection i tried qstardict but it doesn't work and doesn't show translate when select a word | 18:21 |
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| mintux | ? | 18:28 |
| pupnik | mintux, what program do you use to view pdf | 18:29 |
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| mintux | default pdf viewer | 18:32 |
| tybollt | hmm minttu | 18:33 |
| mintux | pdf reader | 18:33 |
| mintux | pupnik: ^ | 18:33 |
| pupnik | mintux: i don't think it can. not sure | 18:33 |
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| mintux | are there any pdf reader can i select text on it? | 18:38 |
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| pupnik | mintux: for n900, yes | 18:43 |
| dima202 | I'm having an issue with the browser not wanting to load a page doesn't matter wifi or 3g | 18:44 |
| dima202 | I just get loading then white screen | 18:44 |
| mintux | pupnik so what is that. should ask quastion for each sentences? | 18:45 |
| dima202 | just me then | 18:45 |
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| pupnik | evince | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | evince >> default pdf reader | 18:45 |
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| dima202 | hey DocScrutinizer2 | 18:46 |
| pupnik | mintux: Ctrl+Comma to enter text hilight mode in evince | 18:46 |
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| flailingmonkey | I tried xchat, and definitely prefer irssi over it | 18:51 |
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| GreyFoxx | Anychance someone can remind me of the name of the linux commandline tool for reencoding videos to play properly on an n810 ? I'm sure I had such an app once before but for the life of me I can't rememeber the name :) | 18:58 |
| arachnist | ffmpeg? | 18:58 |
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| arachnist | mencoder (comes with mplayer on normal distros)? | 18:58 |
| GreyFoxx | no, it was something specificly gearred for the N8xx devices | 18:59 |
| GreyFoxx | might very well have used ffmpeg under the hood for all I know | 18:59 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding | 18:59 |
| GreyFoxx | ahhh tablet-encode ... thanks that was what I was thinking of | 18:59 |
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| dima202 | can someone give me an idea why n900 default browser my get stuck and not load pages for a while.. But then I manage to load one it works just fine from there on | 19:03 |
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| dima202 | until i close the browser that is | 19:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | The blue bar along the bottom just keeps cycling, and not loading dima202? | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | fsckng JS | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | or DNS not resolving | 19:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | flailingmonkey: awwww | 19:13 |
| dima202 | SpeedEvil: yeah | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never tried chasing a baby with a chainsaw, so I don't know. | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | oops - wrong window. | 19:13 |
| dima202 | I actually went to my domain which is just a directory listing and same thing.. also a page by apache saying "it works" | 19:13 |
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| dima202 | SpeedEvil: sounds like an intersting conversation | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | I'd guess a baby with a chainsaw would rather chase me | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | :-P | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | dima202: DNS lookup borked? | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | dima202: try IP address | 19:18 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer2, ping ping ping | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer2, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging#Displaying_an_icon_in_the_Application_Manager_next_to_your_package | 19:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer2 [MSG IPstack: ping flood filter triggered] | 19:25 | |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer2, add cat icon | sed 's/^/ /' > iconwithspace to that, I don't want the karma for the edit :P | 19:25 |
| * MohammadAG dodges the filter | 19:25 | |
| tripzero | if the leaked video/images of the n9 are true, /me is unimpressed | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | MohammadAG: I don't want any better karma at all, as it kills my excuses to not attend summit | 19:26 |
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| flailingmonkey | rofl | 19:27 |
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| flailingmonkey | nice | 19:28 |
| * alterego yawns | 19:28 | |
| flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer2: I assume I could have found a way to turn off the channel and user panes, but the scroll bars and context menus were too much bad UI for me | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: pin | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | g | 19:28 |
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| flailingmonkey | s/panes/panes in xchat/ | 19:28 |
| infobot | flailingmonkey meant: DocScrutinizer2: I assume I could have found a way to turn off the channel and user panes in xchat, but the scroll bars and context menus were too much bad UI for me | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | context menus were bad UI? | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | user list is easily turned off/on via menu/view/userlist(F7) (obviously F7 fails :-P ) | 19:30 |
| flailingmonkey | sorry, i meant how its menus are not touch-friendly. having up/down arrows to scroll through them makes me cry | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | or similar (from off the top of my head) | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | The source however is right there. | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | the only thing that constatntly makes me cry on N900 is the lack of a menu hardbutton | 19:31 |
| alterego | That's how things use to be in the old hildon days :P | 19:31 |
| alterego | and by old I mean last year | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | N810 is so much better wrt that | 19:32 |
| flailingmonkey | scrollpanes with scroll bars were the last straw (as well as bad default colors, but I would have changed those if the UI elements were hildonized) | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd love another button or two. | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer2> MohammadAG: I don't want any better karma at all, as it kills my excuses to not attend summit | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG | just add it... | 19:32 |
| flailingmonkey | I make judicious use of shortcutd and half-press of camera button | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | textarea is not a standard widget - it's custom | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | wait wait wait | 19:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | So hildonising isn't quite trivial | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | if you have karma -> you HAVE to visit the summit? | 19:33 |
| flailingmonkey | would be great if it could open application menu | 19:33 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: he's saying the opposite. | 19:33 |
| GAN900 | alterego, pong? | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | he doesn't want to visit the summit | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | but does having karma mean you need to visit the summit? | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | MohammadAG: >>The motivation for the tester is: ... * Karma - rating apps and leaving comments earns karma which has, in the past, translated to discounted devices and sponsored travel & accommodation to the summit. | 19:35 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: ? | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | MohammadAG: obviously you'll go to jail and lose your MyNokia account if you have >300 karma and don't visit summit | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: if i wanted to override a symbol in a .so i can't recompile, how'd i do that? | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer2, and you don't want to be at the summit because? | 19:36 |
| flailingmonkey | so far I haven't seen a way to have irssi beep when someone uses your nick | 19:36 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: depends on the kind of symbol | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG | lolwut | 19:36 |
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| * MohammadAG has 469 | 19:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer2 | MohammadAG: ...because I generally hate mass events | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG | I hope that doesn't mean I HAVE to go | 19:37 |
| * RST38h moos evilly at all the present | 19:37 | |
| Stskeeps | .. actually, i think i know how to do it | 19:37 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps heya | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer2, 549 users online, this is a mass online event, you can leave | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG | jk XP | 19:37 |
| ZogG | \o/ | 19:37 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: LD_PRELOAD works for most | 19:38 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: if not, I think it may be impossible since GCC might hard-code the address | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | (* MohammadAG has 469) that's your tmo spammer bonus | 19:38 |
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| alterego | Heh | 19:39 |
| * Stskeeps is thinking dlopen | 19:39 | |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer2, now now, how am I a spammer :) | 19:39 |
| * luke-jr doesn't see how dlopen would help | 19:40 | |
| luke-jr | actually, I think I do now | 19:40 |
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| alterego | luke-jr, Stskeeps what are you working on? | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | i need to override a bunch of symbols, so i would dlopen the .so i would want to replace.. | 19:40 |
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| alterego | I don't have a log back that far :P | 19:40 |
| luke-jr | alterego: no idea | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | Stskeeps: include a dummy lib exporting that particular symbol | 19:40 |
| alterego | heh | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | assuming i know the interface.. | 19:41 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: how's GPS coming btw? | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: my summer project will be n8x0 stuff at least :P | 19:41 |
| alterego | Is the N900 GPS driver FOSS? I was under the impression it's part of the cellmo? | 19:42 |
| luke-jr | alterego: no; yes | 19:42 |
| alterego | And how would that relate at all to ofono and MeeGo? | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: didn't explore it yet, raise it at next n900 hardware adaptation meeting | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 19:42 |
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| alterego | Is the GPS going to be a big problem for us creating a true MeeGo instance? | 19:42 |
| luke-jr | alterego: likely | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | depending if you like closed source blobs or not | 19:43 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: okay, will do. When is that then? :P | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | same situation with 3d drivers | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: usually thursdays in the morning, excepting this wek | 19:43 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: I like blobs, if they're abi compatible :) | 19:43 |
| luke-jr | fail | 19:43 |
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| alterego | s/like/can cope with/ | 19:44 |
| infobot | alterego meant: Stskeeps: I can cope with blobs, if they're abi compatible :) | 19:44 |
| luke-jr | better | 19:44 |
| alterego | I'm more of a kernel driver man myself. | 19:44 |
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| luke-jr | alterego: N810 GPS driver is abi compatible, but doesn't work ;) | 19:45 |
| alterego | I'd like to know how gps works now, maybe it's possible to use ofone to create some kind of serial connection like interface to the GPS | 19:45 |
| alterego | Heh, I thought the N810 driver is FOSS? | 19:45 |
| luke-jr | no | 19:45 |
| alterego | Isn't it just a sirfstar attached to a uart? | 19:45 |
| luke-jr | I think the most "source" we have is speculation on the Changelog | 19:46 |
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| RST38h | no | 19:46 |
| luke-jr | alterego: no | 19:46 |
| alterego | oh, | 19:46 |
| luke-jr | it's a TI GPS5300 which is basically a specialized DSP | 19:46 |
| luke-jr | the GPS itself *is* the driver | 19:46 |
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| flailingmonkey | fuuun | 19:46 |
| alterego | Oh, that's neat, | 19:46 |
| alterego | Obviously not from getting it to work, but quite a cool concept if we can do it :) | 19:47 |
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| luke-jr | there are a couple of free GPS implementations on the net | 19:47 |
| luke-jr | so it's *possible* at least | 19:47 |
| alterego | Nice, | 19:47 |
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| alterego | So are we talking MeeGo N8x0 at the moment. | 19:48 |
| luke-jr | I've also done a bit of reverse engineering the GPS5300 protocol | 19:48 |
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| luke-jr | the hard part will be trying to figure out how to tie it in to one of those GPS implementations | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | luke-jr: how much of the correlator heavy lifting is done in system space by the driver? | 19:50 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer2: no clue what that even means | 19:50 |
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| alterego | heh :) right man for the job then :P | 19:51 |
| luke-jr | someone with a clue is welcome to help out... ;) | 19:51 |
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| alterego | I was thinking of turning my N810 into a widescreen TV for my pet rats. | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | luke-jr: basically that first and foremost means: is the gps driver eating up much of the CPU cycles when active? | 19:52 |
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| alterego | If we can get MeeGo on it with HW GLES I might rethink that idea. | 19:52 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer2: if we run it under gdb to make a trace of the execution, it maxes out and doesn't work at all :p | 19:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | luke-jr: GPS is all about a fair amount of siphisticated complex math | 19:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | luke-jr: there are chipsets that do this in hw, and there are cheap ones that dump all the heavy computing load off to the SoC | 19:54 |
| alterego | So, basically everything boils down to bme,gles,cellmo and gps for close blobs? | 19:54 |
| luke-jr | I don't see gps5300driver on 'top' normally | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | application processor | 19:54 |
| alterego | well and boot loader .. | 19:54 |
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| luke-jr | gpsd uses more CPU than gpsdriver | 19:55 |
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| luke-jr | and that's even despite gpsdriver's poor implementation | 19:55 |
| alterego | anyone got jtag working on any of the tablets? :) | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | alterego: bme is kinda vanishing issue | 19:55 |
| luke-jr | specifically, it does single-byte syscall reads rather than buffering | 19:55 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer2: BME is never vanishing on N8x0 | 19:56 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer2: due to usb host work? | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | aaah right. Sorry my bad | 19:56 |
| alterego | yeah, is that even related to N810? | 19:56 |
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| alterego | :) | 19:56 |
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| alterego | Though the chips involved may not be that different? | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | I guess I could tackle N810 bme as well, but atm I don't eactly feel inclined | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | alterego: the chip is totally different from what I gather so far | 19:57 |
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| alterego | Oh, I thought nokia were more standard in that regard, well, I would have guessed they'd be ... :) | 19:58 |
| luke-jr | standard? | 19:58 |
| luke-jr | this isn't about being standard :P | 19:59 |
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| luke-jr | newer devices will of course have better hardware | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | this is about hw design | 19:59 |
| luke-jr | even from N800 to N810, the touchscreen and audio controllers were changed | 19:59 |
| alterego | eesh | 19:59 |
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| alterego | I can understand gles, ass thats imagination, but I don't get the issue with TI being so closed wrt gps and such. | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | and afaik N8x0 have a completely dumb charging hw that needs close control from BME | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | on the signal processing level | 20:00 |
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| alterego | Right, and N900 is gpio controlled? | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | n900 has an autonomously working charger chip, that just needs programming over I2C | 20:01 |
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| alterego | cool, | 20:02 |
| alterego | In completely unrelated news, anyone know why the alpha gst element doesn't work? | 20:02 |
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| frals | fmms 1.1.8 in extras \o/ | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | frals: congrats | 20:03 |
| pupnik | con...grats | 20:03 |
| alterego | congrats, I can't get anyone to vote for my app :P | 20:03 |
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| frals | alterego: aggregate blog and post about it on planet maemo! | 20:04 |
| frals | and thanks! | 20:04 |
| flailingmonkey | voting should be in HAM :-p | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | flailingmonkey: yes | 20:04 |
| N900evil | flailingmonkey: naah | 20:04 |
| flailingmonkey | me and my insanity | 20:04 |
| N900evil | flailingmonkey: it should be a long-press from app laucher | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | I several times suggested to wrap the app in testing into a script that opens the voting page in microb when the main app quits | 20:05 |
| flailingmonkey | N900evil: it would be easier to implement in HAM, but I think you should be able to get application details from a long press | 20:05 |
| flailingmonkey | and from those details be able to do things like vote if its in testing, etc | 20:06 |
| flailingmonkey | N900 is no maemo.org integration, outside extras (stable anyway) | 20:07 |
| microlith | I always wondered what that file meantclear | 20:07 |
| flailingmonkey | being a repository at least. | 20:07 |
| microlith | whoops | 20:07 |
| microlith | this is not my console window | 20:07 |
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| alterego | frals: no blog anymore | 20:10 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen andre_ | 20:10 |
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| MohammadAG | huh | 20:10 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen andre__ | 20:10 |
| infobot | andre__ <~andre@Maemo/community/bugmaster/andre> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 3h 35m 24s ago, saying: 'DocScrutinizer, no idea'. | 20:10 |
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| Lullen | Could anyone help me identify this autobuilder-error? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/qexercise_0.1-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 20:18 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders a antivuvuzela notch filter app... | 20:19 | |
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| sivang | SpeedEvil: hehe | 20:21 |
| sivang | hey MohammadAG | 20:21 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: how's it going? you can swim in the air of TLV | 20:21 |
| tripzero | Lullen, you may be missing some headers from your src you uploaded | 20:22 |
| tripzero | unless mcd/dbus-names.h is part of another project, in which case you should specify that as a dep in your control file | 20:23 |
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| Lullen | mce/dbus-names.h is a header in the sysroots\fremantle-arm-sysroot-1014-slim\usr\include\mce folder | 20:25 |
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| kevloral | Hi all | 20:25 |
| Lullen | it works when I write dpkg-buildpackage (and get a .deb on the computer) but when I write dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S and upload it I get that error | 20:26 |
| Lullen | Hello | 20:26 |
| Venemo | hi | 20:26 |
| tripzero | Lullen, make sure you are uploading all the headers. It also won't fail on your machine if you have the deps already installed. | 20:26 |
| tripzero | you need to specify the deps so that the build server will know to install them as well | 20:27 |
| kevloral | Has anyone heard the NFC announcement made by Nokia today? I guess it doesn´t cover meego handets, does it? | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | url? | 20:28 |
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| Lullen | what deps should I add? currently I have Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev | 20:29 |
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| Venemo | Lullen: perhaps add mce? is it possible? | 20:31 |
| kevloral | http://m.afterdawn.com/headline.cfm?id=23192 | 20:31 |
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| Lullen | venemo, now I am trying with mce added | 20:33 |
| flailingmonkey | NFC, sexy | 20:35 |
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| flailingmonkey | could be a possibility actually for Nokia handsets running meego (if they get released in 2011) | 20:36 |
| Venemo | what is NFC, exactly? | 20:36 |
| tripzero | NoFsck'ingClue? | 20:37 |
| Lullen | near field communication | 20:37 |
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| Lullen | I think you can use it to have the phone as a wallet | 20:38 |
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| Lullen | Venemo, still not finding the files and declarations :( | 20:39 |
| flailingmonkey | very low power contactless communication tech | 20:39 |
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| flailingmonkey | mainly intended for payment stuff | 20:39 |
| ftrvxmtrx | Lullen, mce-dev in Build-Depends, mce in Depends | 20:40 |
| Lullen | Thanks | 20:40 |
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| kevloral | re | 20:44 |
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| Lullen | [fremantle]: qexercise 0.1-1 OK | 20:50 |
| Lullen | THANKS ALOT! :) | 20:50 |
| Lullen | So what do I do now? | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | wait :) | 20:51 |
| Venemo | go to extras-devel and install your app? | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | till 6:05 | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | UTC time | 20:51 |
| Lullen | thanks :) | 20:52 |
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| pupnik | i'm still surprised nobody has packaged MyTube for debian | 21:17 |
| kevloral | cya | 21:18 |
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| flailingmonkey | never heard of MyTube | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha red pill mode ressurected | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hail MohammadAG51 | 21:22 |
| * infobot bows down to MohammadAG51 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 21:22 | |
| pupnik | flailingmonkey: search and browse youtube without any flash player | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | :) | 21:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | qwerty12 found it today, but didn't say how to enable it | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | ~/.osso/hildon-application-mamager | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | permanent | 21:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | maybe you miss the line, so: | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | red-pill-mode 1 | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | red-pill-show-deps 1 | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | red-pill-show-all 0 | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | red-pill-show-magic-sys 0 | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | red-pill-include-details-in-log 0 | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | red-pill-check-always 0 | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | red-pill-ignore-wrong-domains 1 | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | red-pill-ignore-thirdparty-policy 0 | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | red-pill-permanent 0 | 21:27 |
| flailingmonkey | ahhh spam | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | make the last '1' | 21:27 |
| flailingmonkey | :P | 21:27 |
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| E0x | what is red-pill ? | 21:28 |
| E0x | nevermind , i google it | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | blue and red pill modes | 21:28 |
| flailingmonkey | alterego, i'm downloading qlister from testing | 21:28 |
| GAN900 | spammer | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | btw, matrix reference, not anything else | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | flailingmonkey: and - as you can tell from filename - it's related to HAM | 21:29 |
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| flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer2: yeah, I remember when they turned red pill mode off | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | hmm yes, they s/1/0/ :-P | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | apparently they just removed the "matrix" shortcut to enable it | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer2, they removed the GUI way of enabling it lol | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | MohammadAG51: not only, it was also disabled for me after update | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | I didn't have it enabled permanently | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | so: they s/1/0/ :-P | 21:31 |
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| MohammadAG51 | ~seen tealbird | 21:32 |
| infobot | tealbird <~Freakazoi@70-36-184-147.dsl.static.sonic.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 66d 20h 5m 51s ago, saying: 'I'm taking time off, didn't even try to get work time cuz I know they wouldn't pay'. | 21:33 |
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| * DocScrutinizer2 ponders about OSSO_FILEMANAGER/* and whether we could get rid of the major annoyance of maemo: the crippled filesystem in file selector | 21:33 | |
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| flailingmonkey | i see Ovi+HAM are dumb, as highlighted by downloading Zen Bound | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer2, nothing interesting | 21:34 |
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| flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer2: we definitely can. | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'd rather port nautilus than fix hildon-fm | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | and replace hildon-desktop with gnome-desktop | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | that might be doable... | 21:37 |
| flailingmonkey | that doesn't help apps that use libhildonfm for file selecting | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | keep it as a library then | 21:38 |
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| timeless | MohammadAG5: yes? | 21:39 |
| timeless | wrap nautilus file opicker as hildonfm? | 21:39 |
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| MohammadAG51 | timeless, pm | 21:41 |
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| flailingmonkey | let me know if that might work | 21:44 |
| flailingmonkey | if we have trackerd anyway, file picker ought to be able to search it | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | seems somebody needs to analyze the libhildonfm for references to ~/.osso/OSSO_FILEMANAGER/* and what exactly it is rrading from there, if anything | 21:47 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer2, I only have one file there | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | yes, and that seems to adopt windows crappy method of assigning a numeric abstract property to certain dirs | 21:49 |
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| flailingmonkey | that number is some reference to a dir? | 21:52 |
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| ruskie | hmm I wonder if there'll ever be anything from the command line sharing plugin | 21:59 |
| nomis | btw. - is it possible to implement sharing plugins in python? | 21:59 |
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| RST38h | Hmmm, Mac Mini looks like a pretty nice media PC box now | 22:00 |
| RST38h | MUST. RESIST. | 22:00 |
| ruskie | you could use the command line sharing plugin as the base and then just have python scripts do the stuff | 22:00 |
| nomis | indeed. That one is new to me. | 22:01 |
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| * RST38h considers buying Mac Mini and installing Windows on it | 22:05 | |
| ruskie | nomis, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/sharing-cli/ if you care | 22:05 |
| * MohammadAG51 is considering begging for +o and kickbanning RST38h | 22:05 | |
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| RST38h | Aha, 1 (one) Mac user detected | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | or... | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | One mac and windows hater detected | 22:06 |
| ruskie | hate is an attractive emotion | 22:06 |
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| * ruskie loaths windows and mac | 22:06 | |
| Mousey | i hate them too | 22:07 |
| Mousey | haven't used windows in 12 years, mac in 5 | 22:07 |
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| RST38h | Crazy penguin people they are, my precioussss | 22:08 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer2, file system availability in selector hits only very very few people | 22:08 |
| flailingmonkey | I use Ubuntu on my laptop, with a Windows 7 dual boot option rarely used. At work I use Windows XP and Maemo 5 on my N900. then my family members have Macs which I trouble shoot | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, it annoys me too :) | 22:08 |
| lcuk | there should technically be no user data stored outside the user accessible areas :P | 22:09 |
| flailingmonkey | more I say, moooore | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | i have windows installed, with a missing dll to mock it | 22:09 |
| lcuk | i know that MohammadAG51 i just saw what you said | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | i'd rather see more like what mece did and trying to find simple patches for what we have :) | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, libhildonfm2 | 22:10 |
| infobot | somebody said libhildonfm2 was a piece of sh*t | 22:10 |
| lcuk | so if for instance hildonf-m could look everywhere | 22:10 |
| lcuk | well thats fine MohammadAG51 :p | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | lcuk: I tend to agree, nevertheless I would appreciate to have a generic solution for those that actually don't like the "user protection" as of Nokia | 22:10 |
| flailingmonkey | indeed, and I think it would be possible to have a switch to allow full access | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, :D | 22:10 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer2, flailingmonkey MohammadAG51 yup | 22:10 |
| Gadgetoid | wtf... my phone is still alive! | 22:11 |
| lcuk | a setting somewhere would be the only real feasible method | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | imagine that | 22:11 |
| frals | i heard gconf is the shizzle | 22:11 |
| * lcuk nods | 22:11 | |
| lcuk | is it bug 430 | 22:11 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=430 Show and edit filename extensions | 22:11 |
| * MohammadAG51 grins | 22:11 | |
| flailingmonkey | thats what mece patched up | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | flailingmonkey: and maybe that switch is already there, undocumented and hidden, in ~/.osso/OSSO_FILEMANAGER/* | 22:11 |
| lcuk | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=430#c26 | 22:12 |
| povbot | Bug 430: Show and edit filename extensions | 22:12 |
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| flailingmonkey | do do dooo | 22:12 |
| flailingmonkey | i feel like I'm in some back alley | 22:12 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer2, find or create an actual bug for it | 22:12 |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, you are | 22:12 |
| * MohammadAG51 creates a bug for gconf titled "it exists" | 22:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer2 | lol | 22:13 |
| * lcuk files a bug against MohammadAG51 titled "special" | 22:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer2 | has been confirmed by public vote | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | that one too | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | RESOLVED FIXED, MohammadAG v0.2 will no longer be special | 22:13 |
| flailingmonkey | hahah | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | damn, that's part of PR2.1 | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | I gather libhildonfm is closed? | 22:14 |
| flailingmonkey | nope | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | not at all | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | but still | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, libhildonfm2 | 22:14 |
| infobot | i guess libhildonfm2 is a piece of sh*t | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | she's so cute | 22:15 |
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| MohammadAG51 | xD | 22:15 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG51, just because hildonfm isnt your type doesnt mean you can rip on it :p | 22:15 |
| GAN900 | Fun, Saturday to fix the internet. . . . | 22:15 |
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| flailingmonkey | the real reason default behavior won't be changed, is that all the screenshots for user guide would have to retaken | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, there's always gconf :P | 22:16 |
| jaem | lcuk, is there a functional alternative file manager available aside from MC? | 22:16 |
| lcuk | GAN900, all of it? | 22:16 |
| lcuk | jaem, i didnt know mc was functional | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL flailingmonkey | 22:16 |
| * lcuk ducks | 22:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer2 | GAN900: great! :-D | 22:16 |
| flailingmonkey | (this is only slightly a joke, as I've heard such logic used in commercial development) | 22:16 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, you're just using simulated internet. | 22:16 |
| jaem | lcuk, I assumed it was, but unless you're being sarcastic, I don't know either. | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, what's wrong with it | 22:16 |
| frals | whats not wrong with it?! | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | I optified it, and reqeuested to be a maintainer by mistake | 22:17 |
| * frals goes back to using explorer.exe <3 | 22:17 | |
| lcuk | the only real file manager ive used which ticks every box as far as FM goes is directory opus | 22:17 |
| jaem | I've never heard of it... which platform? | 22:17 |
| lcuk | amiga | 22:17 |
| * MohammadAG51 executes shutdown -h on frals's PC | 22:17 | |
| flailingmonkey | mmm amiga | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | what's amita? :) | 22:18 |
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| MohammadAG51 | amiga even | 22:18 |
| ruskie | wtf... for some reason Settings -> Phone keeps saying that I have Forwarding of unanswered calls... even though I said No so many times and saved... but each time I open it it's there again | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | workbench FTW | 22:19 |
| flailingmonkey | i think thats for voicemail, from sim card | 22:19 |
| ruskie | flailingmonkey, I never had that enabled EVER | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | ruskie: your carrier doesn't allow to disable, I guess | 22:19 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer2, they do | 22:19 |
| ruskie | works just fine if I do it on any other phone | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | so maybe the SS they hardcoded at Nokia for that function just doesn't match | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | ruskie: please look at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830#c7 | 22:20 |
| povbot | Bug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | ruskie: http://web.telia.com/~u47904776/gsmkode.htm | 22:21 |
| flailingmonkey | btw, "Miss Ovi Blog" just got an N900. maybe we should reach out to her for all our Ovi woes :) | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | tzz, I wonder where's MY N900 | 22:22 |
| flailingmonkey | http://blog.ovi.com/2010/06/14/who-wants-to-meet-miss-ovi-blog-lets-get-to-know-niini-in-our-10th-ovi-people-interview/ | 22:22 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer2, everytime you complain about it the DHL sits down the block in his truck and laugh maniacally at you another day. :P | 22:23 |
| flailingmonkey | Ovi Store downloads to rootfs before moving to MMC and installing. where do I file this bug | 22:23 |
| * MohammadAG51 throws a /var/tmp at lcuk, update you package! | 22:24 | |
| alterego | flailingmonkey: actually /var/tmp is tmpfs I believe | 22:24 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG51, which package | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, too slow | 22:24 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, maemo-optify-firstboot(?) | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | GAN900: probably. While bricking the N900 that he found in a torn packet | 22:25 |
| lcuk | dont just shout things like that MohammadAG51 - explain | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, add /var/tmp to your config file that optifies folder at first boot | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's needed for ovi | 22:26 |
| lcuk | soryr, i cant take irc requests | 22:26 |
| alterego | My contract is up for an upgrade this month, I'm thinking of upgrading to an N900, that means I'll actually have a spare to screw with :) | 22:26 |
| lcuk | file bug :P | 22:26 |
| flailingmonkey | just checked. /var/tmp is not tmpfs. /tmp is though | 22:26 |
| flailingmonkey | so is /var/run | 22:27 |
| alterego | /var/tmp should be a symlink? | 22:27 |
| * MohammadAG51 gets a grenade from DocScrutinizer2's armory | 22:27 | |
| MohammadAG51 | *holds the pin*, lcuk sure you don't take requests? | 22:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, why not | 22:28 |
| lcuk | positive - btw, why is the a grenade at your feet? | 22:28 |
| * MohammadAG51 runs | 22:28 | |
| lcuk | it seems to be caught on your shoelace | 22:28 |
| flailingmonkey | I am so lost now. | 22:28 |
| * MohammadAG51 unties shoe | 22:28 | |
| * MohammadAG51 hands flailingmonkey a Maemo device and the symbian version of ovi maps | 22:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer2 | alterego: /var/* isn't supposed to be limited to <80MB like /tmp is now | 22:29 |
| flailingmonkey | alright, so when I download an app from Ovi Store, is there a way to direct where the .deb is downloaded | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | no | 22:29 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer2, it seems the only issue is the display | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | actually it isn't, scratch that | 22:29 |
| alterego | flailingmonkey: yes | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, shut up .) | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | :)* | 22:30 |
| alterego | Heh | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | ruskie: err, ok | 22:30 |
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| MohammadAG51 | alterego, we want the ovi store for another week, at least | 22:30 |
| alterego | Well, I don't think it'd work without being auth'd and having paid MohammadAG51 :P | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | flailingmonkey, as root, mv /var/tmp /opt/var && ln -s /opt/var/tmp /var/tmp | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | ~nuke ovi store | 22:31 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at ovi store ... B☢☢M! | 22:31 | |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, what if he devices do share it | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | err | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | s/devices do/decides to/ | 22:31 |
| lcuk | im off | 22:31 |
| * MohammadAG51 throws a nuke at lcuk | 22:31 | |
| flailingmonkey | lcuk, g'night | 22:32 |
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| flailingmonkey | that qualifies as a workaround, but why does it go in /var/tmp of all places? is it a cache location defined by microb? | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 22:33 |
| infobot | ~pong | 22:33 |
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| arachnist | ~pong | 22:33 |
| infobot | ~ping | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | flailingmonkey, yes, download a 100mb file and see it output the same error | 22:33 |
| flailingmonkey | because as more content is available from Ovi, more problems will happen | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes | 22:33 |
| flailingmonkey | so then its a microb problem | 22:34 |
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| timeless | /tmp is about 1k | 22:34 |
| timeless | /var/tmp is about 70k | 22:34 |
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| flailingmonkey | there are no expectations of keeping permissions when a file is downloaded, so it really should just use the eMMC space | 22:35 |
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| timeless | please note that MyDocs is not always mounted | 22:36 |
| timeless | so we can't write there | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Does http even support permissions? | 22:36 |
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| timeless | i'm not quite sure about why /var/tmp v /homw/user | 22:36 |
| flailingmonkey | hmm, yes, at least in /home/user | 22:37 |
| lcuk | because things arent always installed by /home/user | 22:37 |
| timeless | but note that in general, writing temp data to a temp folder and moving it is "the right thing tm" | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr and /var to dedicated partitons on eMMC! | 22:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Sometimes the right thing is horribly wrong | 22:37 |
| * lcuk isnt here tho | 22:37 | |
| timeless | or just goes wrong | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | /opt/var/tmp, problem solved | 22:38 |
| flailingmonkey | for http download, there is usually a filesize reported. it could at least use that to pick a sane tmp dir | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck optification | 22:38 |
| timeless | there isn't usually actually | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | what's the browser binary called? | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | not the bookmarks one | 22:39 |
| flailingmonkey | damn | 22:39 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, you just wish you had coined such an awesome term. :P | 22:39 |
| timeless | and for files which are supposed to be sent to an app | 22:39 |
| timeless | instead of saved | 22:39 |
| timeless | they're supposed to live in tmp, not home | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL @ GAN900 | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 22:39 |
| infobot | it has been said that optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | s/inventive/innovative xP | 22:40 |
| timeless | the browser bookmarks ui is the same ui process as the browser itself | 22:40 |
| flailingmonkey | right, since it is sending it to App Manager | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | timeless, so how do I launch it from terminal? (no dbus please) | 22:40 |
| timeless | the engine is browserd | 22:40 |
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| timeless | /user/bin/browser --url ... | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh? ty | 22:40 |
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| timeless | but if the browser is running, the wrong thing might happen | 22:41 |
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| timeless | (and the browser is always running) | 22:41 |
| flailingmonkey | is it browser that supports all the backends, etc | 22:41 |
| * timeless shrugs | 22:41 | |
| timeless | in theory, yes | 22:41 |
| flailingmonkey | except it only uses the one | 22:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | timeless: Not if you kill it! | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 22:42 |
| timeless | right :) | 22:43 |
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| flailingmonkey | timeless: /var/tmp is actually not tmpfs, its directly on rootfs. so mine has 70MB | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | (third party browsers run lots better if you do kill the browser) | 22:43 |
| timeless | well, it's still more than 1k :) | 22:43 |
| sallesao | hi, I'm having trouble when trying to trnfer files from my computer to my n900. anyone know how to mount it properly? | 22:44 |
| flailingmonkey | yep. | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | flailingmonkey, if it's 70MBs zen bound should download | 22:44 |
| timeless | i have 66mb free | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | sallesao: Plug into PC.Select 'ass rage' mode. | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | 34MBs here, I store a lot of stuff in /root | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | sallesao: Then you can simply copy the files off. | 22:44 |
| timeless | but reading df output was too hard for my tired brain | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | mass* | 22:45 |
| jaem | sallesao, What's the problem you're having? | 22:45 |
| sallesao | jaem: I use debian and tried mount /dev/sdb /mnt | 22:45 |
| timeless | mohammadag51: storage too ;) | 22:45 |
| flailingmonkey | MohammadAG51: I haven't bought it yet, but was aware that it was a problem. just trying to see how that might be fixed in the future | 22:45 |
| jaem | sallesao, I presume you did select Mass Storage mode on the phone, and that your Debian install isn't set up to automount? | 22:46 |
| sallesao | I found all my pics but I can't find where to put other files | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh | 22:46 |
| jaem | Oh | 22:46 |
| flailingmonkey | maybe microb stored .debs in a special place (aka where it/HAM moves it to anyway) | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | tbh I liked the ovi store's UI | 22:46 |
| sallesao | jaem: yes | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | when purchasing apps | 22:46 |
| jaem | sallesao, Wait, so you can mount it, but you can't find all the files? | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | sallesao: Check '.' directories | 22:46 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, yep | 22:46 |
| sallesao | jaem: yes | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | sallesao: For some reason, it puts stuff in .sounds / ... | 22:46 |
| jaem | sallesao, .documents is "Fancy Schmancy Documents Folder" in the File Manager. | 22:47 |
| jaem | etc. | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, so that if your eMMC is unmounted it doesn't use the nokia tune | 22:47 |
| sallesao | jaem: why is there a dir called Mac OS? | 22:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Which strikes me as totally ass-hatted, but probably makes sense to some spec-writer somewhere. | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | as the N97 did | 22:47 |
| jaem | sallesao, because you plugged it into a Mac, and Macs are stupid. | 22:47 |
| sallesao | SpeedEvil: where do I find .sounds? | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | sallesao, for Mac OS? :) | 22:47 |
| sallesao | jaem: no mac involved | 22:47 |
| jaem | They leave cruft like that on any drive you put in them, at least by default. | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~ | 22:47 |
| timeless | so you can see your data when you plug into a mac | 22:47 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: That dir is there by default | 22:47 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, Oh really? | 22:48 |
| sallesao | i use debian on a zepto | 22:48 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: really | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | jaem, the folder is there by... SpeedEvil beat me to it | 22:48 |
| jaem | Is it different than the typical Mac Cruft folder, then? | 22:48 |
| timeless | otherwise you're likely to reformat the volume and complain the data is gone when you detach | 22:48 |
| jaem | I just assumed... | 22:48 |
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| jaem | What's the purpose of it, then? My Mac knowledge is limited to remembering (usually) how to open Bash | 22:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/blog/170/ | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | e-yes, morning, and ty for the kernel patches | 22:49 |
| timeless_mbp | => sallesao | 22:49 |
| flailingmonkey | jaem: it is what you see as the Audio clips folder on your N900 | 22:50 |
| jaem | flailingmonkey, wait, what? | 22:51 |
| flailingmonkey | jaem: it just has a . in front of it so that it is usually hidden in other file managers (for some reason) | 22:51 |
| jaem | flailingmonkey, I know about .sounds | 22:51 |
| pupnik | MyPaint author gives lecture on extending Python with C/C++ for speed http://river-valley.tv/extending-python-for-speed/ | 22:51 |
| jaem | I was just misguidedly explaining that. | 22:51 |
| jaem | Heh. | 22:51 |
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| flailingmonkey | okays | 22:52 |
| nomis | pupnik: LGM is a fantastic conference. If you're interested in free software graphic tools I suggest attending. | 22:52 |
| jaem | flailingmonkey, thanks, though. | 22:52 |
| jaem | pupnik, thanks for the link, it looks interesting. | 22:52 |
| sallesao | found it now. thanks. | 22:53 |
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| jaem | timeless, sorry, so what is the purpose of the Mac OS folder, exactly? | 22:54 |
| timeless_mbp | jaem: read the url? | 22:55 |
| jaem | Oh, I missed that. | 22:55 |
| * jaem reads it | 22:56 | |
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| flailingmonkey | timeless_mbp: interesting read | 23:04 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, thanks, agreed | 23:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you guys think it's complete, i can publish it | 23:04 |
| jaem | Is that on the wiki in some form? (Possibly with less cynicism) | 23:04 |
| timeless_mbp | doubtful | 23:04 |
| jaem | Which part? :P | 23:04 |
| timeless_mbp | nor do i care :) | 23:04 |
| timeless_mbp | well, if there aren't any parts which don't make sense | 23:05 |
| timeless_mbp | that's a start | 23:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | spelling errors, typos, poor style, anything like that should be fixed.... | 23:06 |
| timeless_mbp | but it's hard for me to catch that | 23:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | timeless: seems to mostly be sane. | 23:07 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: Hi there. You said that I should not open the MyNokia? Not even open to check if it is activated? | 23:07 |
| DrGrov | Hi guys | 23:07 |
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| DrGrov | Porbably best not to even remotely open the MyNokia application? | 23:08 |
| lcuk | nomis, whens that conf due | 23:09 |
| t_s_o | hmm, between the streak the evo and now the droid x, it seems that large screens have really gotten "crazy". Nokia, wtf happened? | 23:09 |
| flailingmonkey | DrGrov, it doesn't matter if you open it | 23:10 |
| DrGrov | flailingmonkey: you absolutely sure about that? | 23:10 |
| nomis | lcuk: it is yearly, this year it was in Brussels, three weeks ago. | 23:10 |
| DrGrov | I hate to get really insanely mad this time of night | 23:10 |
| nomis | lcuk: next years date is not yet fixed, it *might* be in vietnam. | 23:10 |
| * lcuk gets in time machine | 23:11 | |
| lcuk | you couldv told me then! | 23:11 |
| flailingmonkey | correction, if you had a SIM card inserted when you upgraded to PR1.2, then it doesn't matter if you open it | 23:11 |
| nomis | lcuk: sorry... | 23:11 |
| DrGrov | flailingmonkey: i had a SIM card inserted when I upgraded to PR 1.2 | 23:11 |
| flailingmonkey | in that case it auto-sends that text msg | 23:11 |
| DrGrov | flailingmonkey: trust me, does not sending a damn thing. i never got the MyNokia thing popping up. | 23:12 |
| flailingmonkey | it doesn't pop up | 23:12 |
| microlith | t_s_o: blinders, apparently. | 23:12 |
| nomis | lcuk: the relevant mailing list ist the create mailinglist: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create | 23:12 |
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| DrGrov | flailingmonkey: ah yes, sorry about that. it is silent process. | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's only a text message people | 23:12 |
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| DrGrov | god damn Nokia fu**! :D | 23:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: you simply can NOT check via the MyNokia in settings. You only can accidentally send another SMS with this crap | 23:13 |
| ptl | what I just did, by trying to remove the subscription :P | 23:13 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: ah, now i understand. roger that | 23:13 |
| flailingmonkey | yes, by going into it an unsubscribing, you send anoth sms | 23:13 |
| flailingmonkey | s/anoth/another/ | 23:13 |
| infobot | flailingmonkey meant: yes, by going into it an unsubscribing, you send another sms | 23:13 |
| DrGrov | tomorrow I will call Nokia and demand a god damn answer for this | 23:14 |
| jaem | DrGrov, I'm vaguely disturbed as well. | 23:14 |
| flailingmonkey | DrGrov: document you adventure for our entertai...education if you would be so kind | 23:14 |
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| DrGrov | jaem: agreed | 23:15 |
| jaem | The first I heard of it was when browsing in X, coming across a README I didn't recognize. :/ | 23:15 |
| jaem | That's really not cool. | 23:15 |
| lcuk | nomis, thanks, signed up :) will hear about it for the next one | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | MohammadAG51: no, it's nothing less than a privacy breach, and a robbery | 23:15 |
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| DrGrov | flailingmonkey: i don't give a fu** if Kirsi or what ever person answer the phone. If she does not give me a god damn answer I want a person who gives me an answer. | 23:15 |
| jaem | I trust Nokia with my information more than some companies, but that's really not the point. | 23:15 |
| flailingmonkey | also, as DocScrutinizer2 mentioned, the settings control doesn't "know" if you are subscribed. | 23:15 |
| jaem | That's a blatant privacy violation. | 23:16 |
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| MohammadAG51 | meh | 23:16 |
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| DrGrov | Perhaps time to get my lawyer to check it out for me? | 23:16 |
| DrGrov | Whether it is legal or not...? | 23:16 |
| flailingmonkey | please, any action is preferrable to rants. It would be greatly appreciated too | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: good idea | 23:17 |
| DrGrov | May I swear in public? | 23:17 |
| flailingmonkey | its not something Nokia devs can help with either, has to go to legal | 23:17 |
| DrGrov | I have to ask permission for swearing first though | 23:17 |
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| DrGrov | Please...? :) | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | go ahead | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: anyway your lawyer will be pleased. Safe money for him | 23:18 |
| DrGrov | I am fucking sick and tired of Nokia fucking me around with first the N97 which is a completely different story and now they keep messing around with the "flagship" device, the N900. | 23:18 |
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| microlith | cue comment about N900 not being a flagship device... | 23:19 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: I am really interested to know whether it might actually hold up in court to press charges against Nokia for this. | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | probably it will | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | microlith, i never disappoint | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | DrGrov, the N900 isn't a flagship device | 23:20 |
| microlith | lol | 23:20 |
| DrGrov | MohammadAG: you see the irony in my statement? :) lol | 23:20 |
| jaem | DrGrov, I personally wouldn't go that far, but if you want to make a fuss about it, and think you can, be my guest. | 23:20 |
| flailingmonkey | its difficult because SMS is a small amount of money to go after in a civil case | 23:20 |
| DrGrov | yes of course it is small money but hey... | 23:20 |
| jaem | What is the supposed benefit of this "service" again? So they can provide you with helpful SMS spam, or some such? | 23:20 |
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| flailingmonkey | but thats where a lawyer can actually help | 23:21 |
| DrGrov | now we are talking about a serious company with good history who is disregarding the consumer | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | flailingmonkey: no, the privacy violation, together with several other regulations they disobey, that's the case to fight here | 23:21 |
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| MohammadAG51 | it's only a meesage... | 23:21 |
| jaem | MohammadAG, Yeah, but it's the principle of the thing. | 23:22 |
| flailingmonkey | indeed, but armchair lawyers don'tm cut it in this case | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's only a meesage gdi... | 23:22 |
| jaem | e.g. My device is MY device - it should not be phoning home for any reason unless I tell it to, and have a choice. | 23:22 |
| DrGrov | this not about one message | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | and it's not like Nokia cares about your number | 23:22 |
| jaem | MohammadAG, no, they probably don't. | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | you bet hey do. Here in Germany we got a whole class of lawyers that make a good living from cases like that | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | how do I kill the other me | 23:23 |
| jaem | But plenty of companies do worse with that sort of thing, and being complacent about it will not improve things. | 23:23 |
| DrGrov | this is about personal integrity | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer2, can you kickban MohammadAG and remove the ban 5 seconds later? :) | 23:23 |
| flailingmonkey | frankly, ths issue needs to be addressed by Nokia, and I don't know why it hasn't been. where did MyNokia come from anyway, the symbian people? | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes | 23:23 |
| DrGrov | flailingmonkey: agreed, this issue has to be dealt with. | 23:24 |
| flailingmonkey | the maemo team wouldn't bother with such stuff | 23:24 |
| jaem | MohammadAG51, "Privacy for the sake of Privacy" is the doctrine I follow - who cares if it's a practical problem in this specific case. | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | MohammadAG51: you ask for strange favours | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | it was first introduced in a fw update for the N95 | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | V20 i think | 23:24 |
| DrGrov | Perhaps my nightly aggressions can come handy tomorrow with Nokia? | 23:24 |
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| jaem | Try not to kill them over the phone. -snerk- | 23:25 |
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| DrGrov | I mean, I always thought Nokia got their shit together but it seems to be going downwards more | 23:25 |
| jaem | That tends to go over poorly. | 23:25 |
| DrGrov | jaem: yes it does. i can not strangle them properly since I do not have a cord close by lol | 23:25 |
| DrGrov | No but seriously. I am pissed off with the treatment. | 23:25 |
| * jaem nods | 23:25 | |
| flailingmonkey | Nokia has inter-communication problems (as well as other communication problems) | 23:25 |
| DrGrov | Back in the good old days Nokia was more about delivering the talk and they walked the walk. | 23:26 |
| DrGrov | Now they are sitting on their lazy asses doing basically nothing "major"... | 23:26 |
| DrGrov | Fuck, I am so disappointed.... | 23:26 |
| DrGrov | Sorry for my public swearing | 23:26 |
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| flailingmonkey | good old days was not as big a company as it is now | 23:27 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: so you think there would be a good chance to perhaps get some answers for this? | 23:27 |
| DrGrov | flailingmonkey: that really might be the core problem. | 23:27 |
| flailingmonkey | lol, does the wiki have a org chart to figure out who might connected to Nokia and how | 23:27 |
| DrGrov | What might be the best place to call first to get some damn answers? | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | get a beagleboard and build your own phone | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | :) | 23:28 |
| jaem | MohammadAG51, that'd be one big phone. | 23:28 |
| DrGrov | MohammadAG51: ah yes, you be my right hand in the progress? :D | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: I bet you can enter arbitrary police station and rise a criminal investigation, as they basically are robbing some 20ct off every of their customers. There've been dudes doing time in jail for less | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | DrGrov, no :P | 23:28 |
| jaem | Isn't that one of the platforms the Symbian Foundation is porting to as a reference? | 23:28 |
| DrGrov | MohammadAG51: since I basically got two left hands | 23:28 |
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| MohammadAG51 | I have two hands left | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | jaem, isn't the beagleboard small? | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | At least it looked small on the site | 23:29 |
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| jaem | MohammadAG51, Yes, but not /that/ small. | 23:29 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: You think the police will give any time for such accusations? | 23:29 |
| * MohammadAG51 wants one | 23:29 | |
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| jaem | MohammadAG51, then again... compared to *this* http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=287 :D | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | quite cheap compared to the N900 tbh | 23:30 |
| jaem | MohammadAG51, I wouldn't mind one either. | 23:30 |
| jaem | That reminds me... | 23:30 |
| DrGrov | I think I will go for a god damn Nokia 1100 or the old Cityman something brick phone | 23:30 |
| DrGrov | No need for any serious malfunctions. The thing just works like it should. | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: If you have a malware on your computer that does a money order off your account to some russian mafia, wouldn't they investigate that? no matter how high the amount of money? | 23:30 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: true, it is perhaps not about the money but about the principle of a committed crime. | 23:31 |
| jaem | Does anyone know how complicated it would be to strip down Diablo to a (working) console + SSH? I don't use my N810 for much more than reading eBooks these days, and it occurred to me that with its hardware (and without X and all that taking up resources) it might be useful for wearable computing projects. | 23:32 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: at least Nokia Care or what ever it is called these days will get a god damn call. I start with that | 23:32 |
| jaem | e.g. hook up some gear to the USB port, use the wireless capabilities, etc. | 23:32 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | according to wikipedia a beagleboard XM is planned | 23:34 |
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| jaem | According to Wikipedia, "Beagle-board" is a recognized "Computer Form Factor" | 23:35 |
| jaem | I have my doubts about that... | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: google for help-on-homework or similar. The website asks for your tel number and addr, and then lets you enter the "FREE!" worthless main page. 4 weeks later 25 bucks are on your phone bill, for registering to 6 months of homework help. All those cases were going to court | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | i wonder | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer2, would it suffer from electromigration? | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | if it was overclocked | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: or remember the infamous windows dialers from back the times when we all used dial up internet | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | internet access via 0900-xxxxxx for 4.99/min. Installed without you even noticing it | 23:40 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: ah yes, that is a similar case here. not about the same amount of money but still... principle is the same | 23:40 |
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| DrGrov | How do I get the Conversations Inbox Widget working now with PR 1.2? I am in desperate need to get it working.... :/ | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: go to settings-MyNokia and hit "unregister" until it says it unregistered successfully. You'l hit that 4.99 figure easily, in less than 10 min | 23:42 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: ah ok, so they are actually ripping us off money then the sceamy bastards? | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | obviously | 23:43 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: you got any clues on that Conversations Inbox widget? I am trying but nothing :/ | 23:43 |
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| DrGrov | It seems like the version 1.1.1 is enough to get it working | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | though it's yet unclear in which countries the SMS is a permium service SMS that will earn Nokia money, or if they simply got a deal with the carriers to get a certain amount for each SMS | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: no idea, sorry | 23:44 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: no problem. i found on the maemo forum the solution :) it is version 1.1.1 that makes it automagically working :) | 23:45 |
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