IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-06-03

Gadgetoid_iPad	Less susceptible to shock	00:00
brendans	<obligatory gorilla glass reference/>	00:00
SpeedEvil	Gadgetoid_iPad: the touchpad has one 0.3mm or so layer of plastic. Then ~1.5mm of glass, then another couple of sheets on the display	00:00
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Gadgetoid_iPad	Interesting	00:01
Gadgetoid_iPad	Curry just arrived hurrah	00:01
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Gadgetoid_iPad	As usual the complimentary salad looks like the garbage bag from a vegan restaurant	00:01
Gadgetoid_iPad	I think some folks in here finally convinced me to start making bread	00:02
SpeedEvil	Bread is fun.	00:03
Gadgetoid_iPad	I just got a bread maker.... Heh	00:03
SpeedEvil	Breadmakers make it really handy.	00:03
SpeedEvil	Is it one with the paddle at the bottom?	00:03
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Gadgetoid_iPad	Did gingerbread today.... Deeelicious	00:03
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Gadgetoid_iPad	Aye yes... Paddle doesn't do the loaf many favours	00:03
SpeedEvil	They die after ~100 cycles. When baking, remove the paddle, put a blob of margarine on the shaft of the paddle, and then replace	00:04
SpeedEvil	this makes it last much longer	00:04
SpeedEvil	as it discourages the mixture getting into the bearing	00:04
Gadgetoid_iPad	Interesting	00:04
SpeedEvil	Also - don't drop a spoon in, and forget about it. It does not do the non-stick coating much good.	00:05
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Gadgetoid_iPad	The paddle mechanism and tin are removable though, and presumably replaceable in the worst case	00:05
Gadgetoid_iPad	Hahaha the mixture of my gingerbread stuck to the side and bored up my loaf	00:05
SpeedEvil	Gadgetoid_iPad: In principle. However - spares are typically only available for 2 or 3 years	00:05
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Gadgetoid_iPad	Should have given it a bit of a stir beforehand... Although the mixing cycle is about a half hour long	00:05
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alterego	Well, Just got to fix a little bug in the UI code and I'm pretty much ready.	00:06
alterego	Oh, wait, still need to make an icon and .desktop stuff.	00:06
Gadgetoid_iPad	The whole bearing mechanism is secured with a little pin hmm	00:07
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Gadgetoid_iPad	Temptation to bake more bread rising	00:09
E0x	http://www.callingallinnovators.com/	00:09
pupnik	heheh	00:09
E0x	somebody is subming something ?	00:09
pupnik	what kind Gadgetoid_iPad	00:09
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Gadgetoid_iPad	Not sure this time, I personally want some wholemeal or seeded	00:10
SpeedEvil	Gadgetoid_iPad: I plan on recycling my neo1973 into a microwave controller, complete with webcam to measure bread rise, and kick off at peak rise, or at rise height	00:10
Gadgetoid_iPad	Hahaha SpeedEvil, overkill much?	00:11
pupnik	microwaved bread?	00:12
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Gadgetoid_iPad	Cooking bread with phone radiation?	00:14
frals	w00t_: pushed packaging changes now, they seemed to work :P	00:14
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Gadgetoid_iPad	Battle for wesnoth on the iPhone/ipad is really something	00:15
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Gadgetoid_iPad	It seems to run like ass on the n900	00:16
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Shapeshifter	Gadgetoid_iPad: iPad?	00:23
Shapeshifter	...	00:23
MohammadAG	what	00:24
MohammadAG	it's nice to see some harmony between iCrap and #maemo	00:24
Gadgetoid_iPad	Shapeshifter: Waah?	00:24
w00t_	frals: awesome	00:24
MohammadAG	(pyQt) http://i48.tinypic.com/zugni8.jpg any ideas why those buttons look like that?	00:25
Gadgetoid_iPad	The only downside i can see to the ipad is the price, which is pretty steep	00:25
frals	MohammadAG i recognize that	00:25
frals	from when the sizing policy is fubar in gtk	00:25
MohammadAG	do you know of a fix for it?	00:26
MohammadAG	they're quite annoying	00:26
frals	dont mess around with button size... :D	00:26
Shapeshifter	MohammadAG: I also noticed that when I tried hacking on a desktop widget using plain Qt. it's weird	00:26
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MohammadAG	lol	00:26
Shapeshifter	MohammadAG: I think genereally it has to do with the weird theming that is going on on maemo	00:26
* MohammadAG sets target milestone as PR1.3		00:26
Gadgetoid_iPad	Hostmode what what?	00:26
brendans	just got back from afk; for what it's worth, I'm using a Macbook Pro	00:29
b-man\|laptop	MohammadAG: i think i found something thats worse than yum - zypper xD	00:30
MohammadAG	LOL that's what MeeGo uses	00:30
brendans	also 8 core server running centos, laptop running ubuntu, beagleboard running gentoo, n900, a few other misc things that are too old to mention	00:30
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brendans	don't see any reason iWhatevers and Linux can't interact	00:31
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b-man\|laptop	MohammadAG: yup - all of my repo entries in meego are messed up lol	00:32
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Noma	http://yx.fi/2fq <- will this work with the host mode when it'll be stable and released?:p	00:37
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timeless_mbp	hey	00:38
timeless_mbp	who here was using Modest in portrait mode?	00:39
timeless_mbp	i do have a fix for you if you're using en-*	00:39
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alterego	Hrm, is it possible to write an application that just opens a dialog?	00:39
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timeless_mbp	alterego: i use zenity for that	00:40
pigeon	timeless_mbp: i don't even know modest has portrait mode...	00:40
alterego	When I create the .desktop and start it from the app menu, a main window is appearing ..	00:40
timeless_mbp	pigeon: it's an easter egg in 1.2	00:40
alterego	timeless_mbp: it's a bit more of a complicated dialog ;)	00:40
pigeon	timeless_mbp: how to enable it?	00:40
alterego	timeless_mbp: http://alterego.metapath.org/images/screenshots/Screenshot-20100602-132604.png	00:40
timeless_mbp	[in modest!] ctrl-shift-r + collapse keyboard + rotate phone to portrait	00:40
pigeon	oh	00:40
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timeless_mbp	do not skip a step, do not expect something magical when your keyboard is open or when your phone is in landscape	00:41
frals	alterego: its trivial to write an application that just launches a dialog: import gtk; gtk.Dialog().run().destroy() should probably do the trick	00:41
timeless_mbp	alterego: : that's indeed a bit more complicated	00:42
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timeless_mbp	alterego: we hacked zenity to have a parent window argument	00:42
alterego	frals: the dialog is fine, it's hildon desktop launching it that's the problem.	00:42
alterego	frals: when I launch it form the app menu.	00:42
alterego	s/form/from/	00:42
infobot	alterego meant: frals: when I launch it from the app menu.	00:42
pigeon	hmm, is there a way to get n900 to mount ext2 on the micro sd card slot automatically instead of the default vfat?	00:42
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timeless_mbp	alterego: it sounds like you're being treated as a system modal dialog	00:43
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timeless_mbp	you need to give yourself a parent to avoid that problem	00:43
alterego	timeless_mbp: I have no parents :(	00:43
alterego	timeless_mbp: also, this is Qt/PySide ;)	00:43
timeless_mbp	alterego: so...	00:43
timeless_mbp	you can buy a parent	00:43
timeless_mbp	launch settings and parent yourself to it	00:43
timeless_mbp	please note that MfE just ends up modal	00:44
timeless_mbp	so does Presence	00:44
timeless_mbp	it's standard fare for the things in that menu to become system modal	00:44
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timeless_mbp	even if they aren't otherwise	00:44
alterego	I did want my program to launch from settings originally, but it seems like it was difficult to write a plugin for it :/	00:44
timeless_mbp	alterego: parents are just numbers	00:44
timeless_mbp	alterego: it's trivial	00:44
tybollt	tim e	00:44
alterego	timeless_mbp: even from python?	00:44
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alterego	Let me guess,	00:45
timeless_mbp	http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/cpa.c	00:45
alterego	it's just a f*cking .desktop file under /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel ?	00:45
timeless_mbp	alterego: that's the entire C program for it	00:45
tybollt	anyone here running meego ona laptop	00:45
tybollt	?	00:45
timeless_mbp	not sure about python	00:45
alterego	timeless_mbp: I found an example that bootstrapped python from a c app.	00:46
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timeless_mbp	but really, considering the size, you could just give yourself a C binary	00:46
timeless_mbp	alterego: i have a cpa package which i depend on	00:46
timeless_mbp	and then a cross platform perl script which does the actual work	00:46
timeless_mbp	which is in a different package	00:46
alterego	I think I might just submit it to extras-devel as is, and then work on putting it into the contorl panel / settings later	00:47
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timeless_mbp	alterego: anyway, download the code now	00:47
alterego	done	00:48
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alterego	"this file is too short to be copyrightable" :D	00:48
pupnik	hahah	00:48
mark82	umm, I'm using microb in portrait mode, but top bar is not displayed, it's the normal behaviour?	00:49
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timeless_mbp	mark82: is this 1.1.1 or 1.2?	00:49
timeless_mbp	wait, top bar?	00:50
timeless_mbp	correct, there isn't supposed to be a top bar	00:50
timeless_mbp	you only get a tiny bottom bar	00:50
mark82	timeless: 1.2 ... so to close the browser I have to turn it into landscape mode?	00:50
timeless_mbp	the goal of portrait mode browsing is to browser	00:50
timeless_mbp	mark82: well	00:50
timeless_mbp	you can use ctrl-backspace :)	00:50
timeless_mbp	mark82: but the desktop and task switcher don't support portrait mode	00:50
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timeless_mbp	so you'll have to go there soon enough	00:51
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mark82	timeless_mbp: you're right, but I'd like to have a small "x" to close it anyway, like witter or facebrik do :)	00:51
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timeless_mbp	mark82: i'd rather fix the back arrow to provide an X	00:51
timeless_mbp	and i'm closer to a position to be able to get that to work	00:52
timeless_mbp	sadly, i'm not actually in a position to get it to happen	00:52
dockane	hi all. i currently working on a shell script to setup initial things for maemo (network, hostname, softkeyboard of xterm, etc). since i am not root from scratch (rootsh not installed yet) there is some sort of chicken-or-the-egg dilemma. any ideas? maybe an .install file with an uri to file:///rootsh. could that work?	00:52
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frals	btw w00t_, i changed the prerm to postrm because.. it shouldve been postrm to begin with ;D	00:53
w00t_	lol	00:53
alterego	Heh	00:53
timeless_mbp	dockane: sorry, eh?	00:54
w00t_	mark82: yeah! facebrick is just awesome isn't it	00:54
timeless_mbp	you can have a .install file which suggests installing a package	00:54
frals	:D	00:54
timeless_mbp	the package can have preinst and postinst	00:54
timeless_mbp	and it can have predepends	00:54
dockane	timeless_mbp: sure.. just forget the .install part of my question	00:54
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mark82	w00t_: heh, are you its developer?	00:56
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w00t_	mark82: ..i might be..	00:57
w00t_	:-)	00:57
midas_	insert dramatic music now.	00:58
mark82	w00t_: well done, keep up the good work :)	00:58
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w00t_	mark82: thanks - relevant might be my latest tweet: http://twitter.com/w00teh/status/15279014152 - go brik \o/	00:59
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midas_	so, whats the story on the new ovi store, was it released yet? :)	01:00
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MohammadAG	yes, kind of	01:01
midas_	thats what i usally say to my own developers when they sort of finish their work :P	01:01
brendans	having a dumb moment; what's the VI syntax to read a file into a buffer and paste at the cursor? :r!something?	01:02
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mikki-kun	hm, could anybody be grateful enough in uploading his .profile from the n900's root-account? i accidently replaced it, unknowing it would have been that important (i am not used in using .profile therefore i didn't knew how important it was)	01:03
alterego	mikki-kun: when a file is hidden, it's usually hidden to stop you stupidly deleting it randomly :P	01:04
* luke-jr injects a trojan		01:04
alterego	But it should be _that_ important ..	01:04
luke-jr	alterego: not really	01:04
alterego	Not to a normal N900 user	01:04
alterego	~shouldn't ..	01:04
luke-jr	it's hidden because it's for software, not user	01:04
mikki-kun	alterego: i have been using linux for quiet a while and neither arch nor gentoo utilize .profile...	01:04
alterego	mikki-kun: I think you'll find they do,	01:05
alterego	Even if you're not using it.	01:05
luke-jr	alterego: I can confirm Gentoo does not	01:05
alterego	serious;y?	01:05
mikki-kun	i don't even have .profile here on gentoo	01:05
alterego	lame	01:05
alterego	:D	01:05
SpeedEvil	mikki-kun: .profile is not supported by busyox sh	01:05
luke-jr	supports != utilizes	01:05
SpeedEvil	mikki-kun: AIUI	01:05
mikki-kun	hm, cause now it tells me it can't find the paths when using root	01:06
luke-jr	lulz	01:06
mikki-kun	an example would be "shutdown -h now" "shutdown not found" -_-	01:06
SpeedEvil	mikki-kun: Have you been screwing with stuff?	01:06
luke-jr	lol fail	01:07
luke-jr	mikki-kun: "halt" is much shorter	01:07
SpeedEvil	PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11	01:07
SpeedEvil	export PATH	01:07
SpeedEvil	mesg n	01:07
SpeedEvil	hmm	01:07
mikki-kun	i just replaced .profile, thinking it wouldn't have any data	01:07
SpeedEvil	is my .profile	01:07
SpeedEvil	maybe I'm wrong	01:07
mikki-kun	hm, ok, then it won't me that much to replace... thanks :=	01:07
mikki-kun	:)	01:07
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mikki-kun	i thought it would have been full with stuff as busybox is totally new to me with how it handles stuff	01:08
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SpeedEvil	It basically doesn't - if it can avoid it	01:09
luke-jr	mikki-kun: run "halt"	01:09
SpeedEvil	Busybox is designed to do the absolute minimum it can - even if the omissions would annoy the interactive user	01:09
SpeedEvil	sync thrice first!	01:10
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mikki-kun	luke-jr: i've never used halt	01:10
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mikki-kun	and i probably never will cause i stick to shutdown -h now in some way when executing that command	01:11
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microlith	oh nice	01:12
* microlith accepts a meeting cancellation by his phone		01:12
mikki-kun	i think busybox is a lil too hardcore if it relies that much on certain files...	01:12
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SpeedEvil	umm	01:14
SpeedEvil	So does every shell in the world typically to set hte path	01:14
mikki-kun	when utilizing bash i never encountered a problem with "command not found"	01:14
SpeedEvil	rm /etc/profile ~/.bashrc	01:15
SpeedEvil	and you will	01:15
marmoute	mikki-kun: PATH= any-nn-core-cmd	01:15
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MohammadAG	Height set to 105, still have the problem http://i49.tinypic.com/1j4ttu.jpg	01:16
brendans	I actually think that the built in shell is fine, with some tweaks and a judicious "apt-get install coreutils-gnu"	01:17
brendans	but that's really doing a run around on most of the busybox components	01:17
Noma	MohammadAG: don	01:17
SpeedEvil	For script use - busybox is just fine	01:17
Noma	don't care what it looks like - just make it work :D	01:18
mikki-kun	i would have liked to see something without busybox... hm, is actually meego built with busybox or not?	01:18
MohammadAG	Noma, it works, so back to the main problem :P	01:18
Noma	:D	01:18
SpeedEvil	Busybox is lots faster, uses much, much less RAM.	01:18
V13	lol... speedevil: you have 203 thanks, 150 from which come from your usb post :-))))	01:19
SpeedEvil	There are around a dozen scripts or so run at once in early boot	01:19
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MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, IMMA KILL YOU	01:19
mikki-kun	may i see some comparisons there?	01:19
SpeedEvil	'normal' linux utils will take perhaps 5s longer to boot	01:19
* MohammadAG throws a whale at noobmonk3y		01:19
SpeedEvil	mikki-kun: Do benchmarking.	01:19
SpeedEvil	http://www.selenic.com/smem/	01:20
SpeedEvil	see that - for more info on how much memory stuff is using	01:20
brendans	SpeedEvil: Yeah, I like having the gnu utils for command-line work, but they're sourced in when I start an interactive terminal, so the only real loss is the disk space in /	01:20
mikki-kun	hm, i was more into one device without busybox and one with	01:21
SpeedEvil	just setup the path to /usr/bin/gnu - and you're sorted.	01:21
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noobmonk3y_	sorry xchat had a moment	01:21
noobmonk3y_	along with my laptop re-hibernating, random	01:21
noobmonk3y_	why are you killing me MohammadAG ?	01:21
timeless_mbp	SpeedEvil: hey, were you one of the people interested in portrait mail?	01:21
* timeless_mbp needs a tester		01:21
mikki-kun	not just checking which app takes less memory...	01:22
MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, I already killed you :)	01:22
MohammadAG	timeless_mbp, afaik he was	01:22
noobmonk3y_	lol!	01:22
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brendans	SpeedEvil: Right, I forgot it's optified	01:22
SpeedEvil	timeless_mbp: not very, no, I haven't actually used modest at all.	01:22
lardman\|home	evening all	01:22
* noobmonk3y_ haunts the troutyness that is frals		01:22
MohammadAG	just add a portrait flag to the modest source :)	01:22
noobmonk3y_	hey lard	01:22
lardman\|home	hey noobmonk3y_	01:22
SpeedEvil	timeless: I was indeed idly pondering removing it	01:22
noobmonk3y_	:)	01:22
* noobmonk3y_ slaps noobmonk3y		01:22
timeless_mbp	SpeedEvil: removing it?	01:23
SpeedEvil	yes	01:23
SpeedEvil	It uses ~5 meg of memory	01:23
ShadowJK	Completing a learning cycle for bq27200 after PR1.2 seems very hard	01:23
timeless_mbp	SpeedEvil: oh, you mean modest	01:23
SpeedEvil	err	01:23
* lardman\|home wonders why his TMO moderator powers were revoked		01:23
SpeedEvil	oh - yes	01:23
* timeless_mbp complains about nokia's totally broken definition of 'memory'		01:24
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timeless_mbp	conflating storage w/ ram is a terrible idea :(	01:24
SpeedEvil	Oh - I was thinking dig in the scripts for init. apt-get remove works	01:24
SpeedEvil	timeless: yes it is.	01:24
SpeedEvil	timeless: I mean PSS actually	01:24
SpeedEvil	timeless: but sure - I'll test.	01:25
timeless_mbp	SpeedEvil: gimme a bit, my build process is kinda backwards	01:25
timeless_mbp	hey, anyone here familiar w/ Gtk menus?	01:25
timeless_mbp	is it possible for a menu item to include a newline?	01:25
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HtheB	o/	01:26
HtheB	just a question	01:26
pronto	just an answer	01:26
HtheB	will meego work with default notebooks/laptops?	01:26
HtheB	notebooks/pc's *	01:26
timeless_mbp	HtheB: is this #meego?	01:26
microlith	1) #meego	01:26
HtheB	meh	01:26
HtheB	ok	01:26
HtheB	my bad :p	01:26
HtheB	didnt know meego exist	01:27
HtheB	#meego*	01:27
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MohammadAG	microlith, 2)? :)	01:29
timeless_mbp	there is no #2	01:29
microlith	what timeless_mbp said	01:29
HtheB	:D :D :D	01:29
HtheB	heh	01:29
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noobmonk3y	wtf!	01:29
noobmonk3y	damn effing x-chat	01:30
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: BME _always_ shuts down with the stock battery at a few millivolts shy of the learn threshold here.	01:30
* noobmonk3y apologises to MohammadAG		01:30
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noobmonk3y	x-chat just just rammed me up the bum with a trout...... wasn't fun	01:30
ShadowJK	speedevil: mine's shutting down at 3350 now	01:30
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HtheB	rofl	01:30
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: even with 1.1	01:30
MohammadAG	<microlith> what timeless_mbp said	01:31
MohammadAG	that would be 3(	01:31
MohammadAG	)*	01:31
microlith	ha	01:31
HtheB	lols :D	01:31
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: Interestingly. Last measured discharges - 926 - 935 - 935 - 945 - 948	01:31
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SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: (may be out by a factor of n)	01:32
pwnguin	what exactly is Nokia Messaging?	01:32
pwnguin	people talk about using it for gmail push	01:32
timeless_mbp	pwnguin: a gateway drug	01:32
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* microlith enjoys his simple pop3 gmail setup		01:32
HtheB	i hate pushmail	01:32
HtheB	i just go to www.gmail.com	01:32
HtheB	or even better:	01:32
HtheB	m.gmail.com	01:32
HtheB	works great	01:32
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pwnguin	i kinda like the client	01:33
lardman\|home	SpeedEvil: my word you've been pimping your TMO thanks karma with that usb thread ;)	01:33
timeless_mbp	pwnguin: basically nokia messaging is a man in the middle attack on your mail servers	01:33
pwnguin	heh	01:33
timeless_mbp	you give nokia your credentials	01:33
timeless_mbp	they claim to use them on your behalf	01:33
SpeedEvil	lardman: Actually - I hadn't thought about that - I was trying to create some buzz - and get more devs interested.	01:33
timeless_mbp	they pretend to be you when they talk to your mail servers	01:33
* ShadowJK tries restarting n900 a few times and hope voltage goes below threshold long enough		01:33
tybollt	timeless_mbp: what is nokia messaging? :S	01:33
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: stop bme	01:33
lardman\|home	SpeedEvil: ;) oh and good stuff too!	01:33
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timeless_mbp	but it means that you in theory get better battery life	01:33
timeless_mbp	because nokia can "optimize" the data that is sent wrt the mail you read	01:34
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: I've been doing it whenever I get it beeping at me	01:34
MohammadAG	<SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: stop bme	01:34
MohammadAG	^ adds about 10 minutes btw	01:34
MohammadAG	or 15	01:34
SpeedEvil	yes	01:34
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MohammadAG	or 20 with the screen locked and wifi disconnected	01:34
pwnguin	timeless_mbp: you know if this is related to carriers at all? like hosted with them or something?	01:34
pwnguin	becuase tmobile apparently Does Not Want nokia messaging	01:34
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tybollt	timeless_mbp: what is nokia messaging? :S	01:35
timeless_mbp	tybollt: see above	01:35
timeless_mbp	pwnguin: nokia sometimes tries to make money by charging carriers	01:35
pwnguin	tybollt: dude, you just read the explaination	01:35
noobmonk3y	w00t_, is your brain fried yet?	01:35
pwnguin	timeless_mbp: i dont even have a data plan =/	01:35
timeless_mbp	with the expectation that they'd pass the cost along to their customers	01:35
tybollt	o_O	01:35
timeless_mbp	pwnguin: use MfE w/ gmail	01:35
ShadowJK	timeless_mbp: I always thought nokia messaging was a "email through proprietary protocols so we can charge through the nose for it"-initiative requested by operators and consequently made by Nokia into MITM-attack gateway drug unfit for its original purpose :)	01:35
tybollt	it's late, verdamtes... :)	01:35
timeless_mbp	in 1.2 it probably works	01:35
lardman\|home	one of the Nokia servers flagged up a "someone's nicked your password" warning for my wife, saying the server was in Israel trying to access her GMail account	01:35
w00t_	noobmonk3y: i'm really having trouble keeping up	01:35
pwnguin	timeless_mbp: can i have more than one mfe account?	01:35
noobmonk3y	hahaha	01:36
pwnguin	ive got exchange at work =(	01:36
w00t_	trying to do 4-5 things at a time is getting difficult	01:36
* noobmonk3y pats w00t_ on the head :)		01:36
timeless_mbp	pwnguin: sadly, no	01:36
timeless_mbp	well	01:36
tybollt	timeless_mbp: when will there be multi mfe per device?	01:36
timeless_mbp	that's perhaps wrong	01:36
noobmonk3y	w00t_, i allways thought you where super human? pffffftttt even lcuk needs holidays lol	01:36
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: ignoring beeping gave me 90..120min :-)	01:36
timeless_mbp	it's probably possible to trick mfe into giving you more than one account	01:36
pwnguin	timeless_mbp: this is why i was hoping nokia messaging wasn't as dumb as it is	01:36
timeless_mbp	and it might be worth doing	01:36
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timeless_mbp	mfe is controlled by some gconf settings	01:36
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timeless_mbp	w/ some trickery you should be able to stop mfe, swap in a different mfe setting set, start it, do stuff, rinse + repeat	01:37
pwnguin	meh	01:37
pwnguin	maybe ill just figure out why imap stopped working	01:37
timeless_mbp	i suspect there's a large enough userbase to justify working on it	01:37
tybollt	Awesome - it is amazin how totalitarian the US is getting	01:37
timeless_mbp	i'd help	01:37
tybollt	http://gizmodo.com/5553765/are-cameras-the-new-guns	01:37
SpeedEvil	MohammadAG: More like 2 hours.	01:37
tybollt	timeless_mbp: you'd still have to solve the multi database issue assuming of course it is not configurable	01:39
wazd	http://www.therapistfinder.com/	01:40
wazd	oh.my.god	01:40
pwnguin	every hospital seems to have a resident rapist!	01:40
thresh	wazd: old stuff	01:40
thresh	aka bayan	01:40
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opdf2	is there a maximum capacity for calendar events?	01:41
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pwnguin	opdf2: probably depends on the room :P	01:41
wazd	thresh: aw :(	01:41
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timeless_mbp	tybollt: so, they're all files	01:42
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timeless_mbp	as long as the service is stopped	01:42
timeless_mbp	it shouldn't be a big problem	01:42
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DocScrutinizer	sorry	01:43
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wazd	any javascript/jquery demons in here maybe?	01:45
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asj	wazd: I've writen some js...what do you need?	01:47
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wazd	asj: erm, to add a tiny modification to the existing script	01:48
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tybollt	timeless_mbp: hmmm that's tempting you kno :)	01:50
tybollt	and then you could guify it w/ pygtk or sommat	01:50
* noobmonk3y waves gnight		01:50
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HtheB	noobmonk3y,	01:51
* noobmonk3y eats frals		01:51
* noobmonk3y waves at HtheB		01:51
* lcukn900 waves at noob		01:51
HtheB	i want that fart app!	01:51
HtheB	:p	01:51
* noobmonk3y waves at lcukn900 !!!		01:51
MohammadAG	ZOMG It's lcukn900	01:51
noobmonk3y	evening lcuky	01:51
timeless_mbp	yep	01:51
noobmonk3y	HtheB, when Qt fix QtMultimedia you can have it	01:51
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lcukn900	heya guys	01:51
noobmonk3y	lcukn900, WINGE!! Qt = borked	01:51
noobmonk3y	hows the holiday?!	01:51
HtheB	sup woth QtMult?	01:51
* lcukn900 has been stroking prebacon today		01:51
HtheB	with*	01:51
noobmonk3y	HtheB, not working on the N900 - the bit i want --	01:52
noobmonk3y	(Equalizer farts!)	01:52
lcukn900	qt will work. it just needs more hammering	01:52
MohammadAG	the fart brewery	01:52
HtheB	so, PR1.2 still isnt THE solution =(	01:52
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noobmonk3y	HtheB, it may be	01:52
noobmonk3y	i'm a dumbass	01:52
HtheB	ask for help? :p	01:52
noobmonk3y	i feel qt mobility may be	01:52
noobmonk3y	HtheB, Lcuk's on holiday ;)	01:52
noobmonk3y	hehehe	01:52
MohammadAG	LOL	01:52
noobmonk3y	night alls!	01:52
lcukn900	pr12 isnt the final solution but it a damned fine sticking plaster	01:52
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MohammadAG	Night noobmonk3y	01:53
asj	poor wazd	01:53
HtheB	nite noob	01:53
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HtheB	MohammadAG	01:53
MohammadAG	at least they didn't gline him	01:53
HtheB	did you try out Quran? :)	01:53
MohammadAG	the app? nope	01:53
MohammadAG	working on host mode atm :)	01:53
HtheB	never got it to work	01:54
HtheB	yeah I follow the thread	01:54
HtheB	awesome job =)	01:54
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timeless_mbp	ok, so, someone volunteered to test something for me,...	01:54
HtheB	i remember the guys telling that the N900 will never get the USB Host	01:54
timeless_mbp	i got the package built	01:54
HtheB	timeless_mbp, like?	01:54
timeless_mbp	a fix for portrait mode mail	01:55
HtheB	if it ain't easy, it's crap	01:55
HtheB	vitamin water	01:55
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HtheB	tell me what to do	01:55
HtheB	need to dl something?	01:56
MohammadAG	timeless_mbp, shoot	01:56
MohammadAG	HtheB, they said OTG was impossible, not host mode :)	01:56
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MohammadAG	this doesn't follow standards	01:56
HtheB	owh xD	01:56
HtheB	damn...	01:57
* HtheB feels like he's a n00b		01:57
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HtheB	MohammadAG, what is on the go?	01:58
HtheB	read the wiki	01:58
HtheB	still didn't get it O_o	01:58
pwnguin	i think it's a way to negotiate A/B status	01:59
SpeedEvil	Basically	01:59
MohammadAG	HtheB, to make it short, did you see the N8 OTG vid?	01:59
HtheB	no	01:59
HtheB	let me see youtube	01:59
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HtheB	watching vid now	01:59
SpeedEvil	OTG is a complex standard that negotiates which is host and which is device. We can't do this.	02:00
MohammadAG	HtheB, when you do, the N8 switches to OTG mode when the cable is plugged in, with the N900 you need an app, that's a hw limit	02:00
MohammadAG	hugely simplified btw ^	02:00
SpeedEvil	The hardware is broken - there are incompatible components in the way of getting OTG working.	02:00
lardman\|home	does it negotiate or just use the cable pull ups/downs?	02:00
SpeedEvil	This breakage does not mean it can't be forced into host mode	02:00
ohwhyme	so theres no way to do it?	02:01
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SpeedEvil	lardman\|home: It's a horribly complex dance of wiggling vbus at prescribed speeds. And stuff.	02:01
SpeedEvil	ohwhyme: OTG is completely impossible - assuming the schematic is correct.	02:01
pwnguin	we need an app. do we have one yet?	02:01
HtheB	ok... just as I assumed	02:01
SpeedEvil	That is - OTG properly negotiating with other OTG devices in a compliant manner	02:01
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HtheB	but what is usb host mode!?	02:01
HtheB	isn't that the same ? :p	02:01
SpeedEvil	USB host mode is what your desktop does	02:02
pwnguin	host mode == usb a device	02:02
SpeedEvil	It just acts like a host that you plug peripherals into	02:02
lardman\|home	SpeedEvil: ah, I never realised there was negotiation too, I thought it just came down to which cable to you plugged in	02:02
SpeedEvil	It can never act like a peripheral	02:02
HtheB	but if you plug a USB stick in it	02:02
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HtheB	it should just mount it?	02:02
HtheB	like the OTG or not?	02:02
HtheB	O_o	02:02
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HtheB	or is it only attaching other stuff like Printers, and joysticks etc?	02:03
SpeedEvil	HtheB: In short - you can force host mode on the n900 (eventually) that will let you plug mice and stuff into it and have it work.	02:03
mikki-kun	hm, could we use that way a webcam then over the micro-usb port of the n900 with host mode?	02:03
SpeedEvil	yes	02:03
SpeedEvil	webcam, printer, keyboards, USB missile launchers.	02:03
HtheB	:D :D :D	02:03
MohammadAG	mugwarmers XP	02:03
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lcukn900	other n900s for flashing?	02:03
ohwhyme	so usb sticks wont be working	02:03
SpeedEvil	Some things won't require extra power	02:03
ohwhyme	?	02:04
MohammadAG	lcukn900, I asked someone to test that :)	02:04
SpeedEvil	ohwhyme: yes - that was not an exhaustive list.	02:04
MohammadAG	no one replied anyways :P	02:04
ohwhyme	ah thanks	02:04
mikki-kun	so otg is basically afaiu a more advanced usb host mode	02:04
SpeedEvil	ohwhyme: basically anything that does not require high power - most webcams	02:04
SpeedEvil	or stuff	02:04
lcukn900	so only limit is vbus atm?	02:04
SpeedEvil	lcukn900: power is limited to 200mA - which is a bit under half the normal max	02:04
HtheB	awesome =)	02:04
lcukn900	speedevil give docs a hearty beer from me	02:04
SpeedEvil	lcukn900: So most webcams, wifi cards, ... will require external power	02:05
lcukn900	speedevil thats cool	02:05
lcukn900	otg was 100	02:05
Kegetys	n810 provided 300mA I think and most devices worked fine with it	02:05
SpeedEvil	Many memory sticks, most keyboards and mice, will work just fine	02:05
mikki-kun	hm, the 200mAh are limits set by the hardware i assume	02:05
MohammadAG	yes	02:05
SpeedEvil	mikk: yes	02:05
MohammadAG	hey at least DocScrutinizer pushed voltage to 5V	02:05
lcukn900	keyboards are normally less than 100 but some were borderline	02:05
SpeedEvil	work just fine on internal power	02:05
HtheB	nice work guys! :)	02:06
lcukn900	speedevil of important test: arduino boards. need to find their specs	02:06
Kegetys	http://junk.kegetys.net/mobile_gaming.jpg like this stick worked just fine ;)	02:06
MohammadAG	lcukn900, there was just a limit in the driver, but we (C) "Just comment(ed) it out"	02:06
brendans	though iirc it should be possible to attach a powered hub and have that work, right?	02:06
HtheB	seriously, great job to all of u	02:06
lcukn900	lolol	02:06
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HtheB	haha	02:06
MohammadAG	brendans, yes	02:06
HtheB	:D	02:06
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HtheB	flight simulater? :p	02:06
SpeedEvil	lcukn900: I'd imagine those are fltd serial chips - which will work fine.	02:06
SpeedEvil	brendans: yes	02:06
Kegetys	stunt island on dosbox	02:06
MohammadAG	lol saw serial as israel	02:06
MohammadAG	same letters xD	02:06
HtheB	hell, why is dosbox still not 100% on N900 O_o	02:06
HtheB	MohammadAG =(	02:07
brendans	SpeedEvil, lcukn900: Yes, the arduino boards use an ft232	02:07
SpeedEvil	brendans: With the cheapest sort of hubs - it should actually simply charge with just the included cable, and a F-F adaptor, and no other wierd cabling	02:07
MohammadAG	(no I'm not dyslexic :P)	02:07
lcukn900	brend great	02:07
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lcukn900	i have to go. starry night here and flat battery	02:07
MohammadAG	Night lcukn900	02:07
SpeedEvil	brendans: Charge, and you can use USB peripherals at the same time that is	02:07
lcukn900	\o	02:08
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brendans	SpeedEvil: sorry, can you explain that again? do you mean the n900 doesn't need to be enumerated to enable the charging circuitry?	02:08
HtheB	nite	02:08
Dassu	Nighties	02:08
HtheB	he's gone already	02:08
crashanddie	MohammadAG: you put sexy in dyslexic.	02:08
MohammadAG	lol	02:08
mikki-kun	hm... i was up to building later on a snake-cam for the n900 (will be done in about a year or two... will take it easy and i need to get the knowledge, still a noob, but that'll pull me away from there) so we can utilize it to peek around corners or some other difficult places as maybe the car's engine-room...	02:08
brendans	SpeedEvil: I assumed it had to be a client and enumerated by the host machine before the charging would enable, but I don't know that I've ever tested it	02:08
SpeedEvil	brendans: That's completely irrelevant.	02:09
SpeedEvil	brendans: The charger chip is controlled by BME	02:09
pupnik	why dont we just add unix metadata to our vfat module? store it in a file	02:09
SpeedEvil	brendans: Which we probably need to reverse engineer - which is not hard	02:09
pupnik	then we could chown/chmod/ln on vfat	02:09
SpeedEvil	pupnik: There was back in the day a module to do that	02:09
pupnik	ah? maybe a nice project to revive	02:10
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brendans	SpeedEvil: So just to clarify, if one were to simply connect 5V across the microusb, would it charge without any data exchanged?	02:10
SpeedEvil	brendans: The charger chip is actually what's providing the 5V for the USB bus.	02:10
SpeedEvil	brendans: yes.	02:10
brendans	SpeedEvil: Ah, good to know	02:10
BCMM	i did wonder why no one had done metadata in a file	02:10
SpeedEvil	brendans: though it would assume it was a PC	02:10
SpeedEvil	and only charge at 100mA I think until it negotiates.	02:10
brendans	SpeedEvil: yeah, makes sense	02:10
BCMM	apart from how performance would be dreadful if it was too big to keep in memory	02:11
Kegetys	doesnt the charging require a resistor across the data pins?	02:11
BCMM	i have been told that you can replace negotiation with shorting d+ and d-	02:11
brendans	SpeedEvil: I've seen a lot of other boards that use the PWREN line on something like an FTDI chip to only receive power if the client is enumerated by a host PC	02:11
mikki-kun	hm, could we access with the n900's host mode a pc via usb?	02:12
mikki-kun	for accessing it's data e.g.	02:12
SpeedEvil	mikki-kun: What?	02:12
SpeedEvil	mikki-kun: No.	02:12
DocScrutinizer	brendans: if you short D+/- though, the charger chip ramps up to 500mA	02:12
SpeedEvil	mikki-kun: PCs do not (typically) support 'device' mode.	02:12
brendans	mikki-kun: If I'm not mistaken, that would require a PC with a client chipset on it (or an OTG chipset in client mode)	02:12
brendans	DocScrutinizer: so is that what the nokia charger does then?	02:13
DocScrutinizer	yep	02:13
mikki-kun	ok... was just curious as that came up in my mind	02:13
brendans	DocScrutinizer: good to know...	02:13
SpeedEvil	brendans: yes - nothing like that. The USB chip detects D+ and D- shorted - and the charger chip - if the system is off - will then autonomously charge the battery fairly slowly to 3.7V max	02:13
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, the charger shorts them?	02:13
DocScrutinizer	and the system (bme) tops that by setting it to 1050	02:13
SpeedEvil	brendans: To charge it fully requires software - BME - to talk to it	02:14
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: yes	02:14
brendans	SpeedEvil, DocScrutinizer: Thanks for the info, I appreciate the intro - you've probably heard these questions before	02:14
SpeedEvil	:)	02:14
SpeedEvil	http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME	02:14
SpeedEvil	(some outdated info)	02:14
DocScrutinizer	brendans: yw	02:15
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* HtheB smiles		02:16
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Gh0sty	anyone here from around NY?	02:18
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Gh0sty	cant find anywhere a store where they sell nokia stuff around here :(	02:19
Ken-Young	Gh0sty, Did the Nokia "Flagship" store close?	02:19
Gh0sty	seems the nokia store which existed around 5th av and 57th is closed	02:20
mikki-kun	Ken-Young: afaik it removed everything it had for the new stuff coming soon	02:20
HtheB	nokia is losing it... =(	02:20
Ken-Young	Gh0sty, That's the one I meant.	02:20
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brendans	SpeedEvil, DocScrutinizer: Heading offline; thanks again for the info	02:20
Gh0sty	yes thats what i heard from a verizon guy which was located at 57th	02:20
brendans	cheers all	02:20
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HtheB	o/	02:20
Ken-Young	The NY Nokia store was a pretty sad contrast to the Aplle store which was just around the corner.	02:21
Gh0sty	any other nokia store in boston then?	02:21
Ken-Young	Gh0sty, I've never seen a Nokia store in Boston.	02:21
Gh0sty	hm damn cant find a 2nd battery for my n900 anywhere	02:22
mikki-kun	Gh0sty: what about amazon?	02:22
HtheB	www.tinyurl.com/nokiaidea	02:22
mikki-kun	will take maybe a day or two for shipping but you'd have one then	02:23
Gh0sty	and also i dont seem to be able to work with 3G here :(	02:23
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Gh0sty	only get 2.5G tops with at&t	02:23
Ken-Young	Gh0sty, T-Mobile 3G doesn't work for you?	02:23
HtheB	same over here	02:23
HtheB	T-Mobile 3G doesn't work	02:23
HtheB	only 2G and 3,5G :/	02:23
HtheB	if I have 3G, I don't have connection	02:24
Gh0sty	i got at&t cause thats the first shopl i passed by	02:24
opdf2	where are u using tmobile usa?	02:24
Ken-Young	It works for me, in BOston (and my few NY trips).	02:24
HtheB	I do have connection, but it doesn't do anything at all	02:24
Gh0sty	i got at&t cause thats the first shopl i passed by	02:24
Ken-Young	I have no problems at all with T-Mobile.	02:24
HtheB	T-Mobile NL	02:24
opdf2	oh	02:24
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HtheB	they got some serious problems	02:24
HtheB	was even in the news lately	02:24
HtheB	damn it	02:24
HtheB	=(	02:24
Ken-Young	Gh0sty, I think AT&T is known to be incompatible.	02:24
Gh0sty	great :(	02:25
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Ken-Young	Sorry	02:25
Gh0sty	so i got screwed :(	02:25
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asj	Gh0sty: you can do edge with att	02:25
Gh0sty	how do they make 3g incompatible ?	02:25
opdf2	yes u need 1700/2100 for N900, which isnt AT&T	02:25
Gh0sty	yes 2.5G is what i get	02:25
Ken-Young	Gh0sty, Did you sign an AT&T contract?	02:26
asj	Gh0sty: att is 850mhz and 1900mhz for 3g service, the n900 is 900/1700/2100	02:26
Gh0sty	no prepaid pay as you go formula	02:26
opdf2	Gh0sty: that is all u can get because the 3g radio bands are not compatible with AT&T 3G	02:26
asj	Gh0sty: you're just visiting the US?	02:27
Gh0sty	yes	02:27
Gh0sty	for 1 month	02:27
HtheB	then stick with 2,5 :P	02:27
asj	Gh0sty: do you need 3g? ie making voip calls?	02:27
Ken-Young	Gh0sty, So it shouldn't be too hard to switch to T-Mobile. In the US, it's your only choice if you want 3G on your N900.	02:27
asj	Ken-Young: t-mobile has no prepaid data plan	02:27
Gh0sty	now at the apple square using wifi	02:27
opdf2	Ken-Young: what kinda speeds & latency are u getting in Boston	02:28
asj	Gh0sty: att 3g sucks anyways, all the ipods in NYC suck is dry, edge might be faster anyways ;)	02:28
Ken-Young	opdf2, I haven't benchmarked it. If you have a favorite benchmark site, I'll get you the numbers.	02:28
thunderfest	asj: t-mobile does have prepaid data plans	02:28
PolarFox	Oh.. AT&T is cutting unlimited data plans.. I hope it wont be global trend.. :)	02:29
asj	thunderfest: didn't last year, unless you had a sidekick plan which they cut off	02:29
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asj	(unless you had a sidekick)	02:29
opdf2	Gh0sty: you can use the prepaid Sidekick data plan. It is $1 per day.. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37887	02:29
thunderfest	well they did last week I just signed up with my n900	02:29
HtheB	Guys, I think I know this has been talked somewhere	02:29
HtheB	does anyone else having some troubles with music and	02:30
asj	thunderfest: ah ok, they change their minds more often than my wife ;)	02:30
HtheB	pressing the power button!?	02:30
HtheB	(this is causing some "silence")	02:30
HtheB	happened after PR1.2	02:30
opdf2	Ken-Young: http://www.speedtest.net/	02:30
asj	HtheB: you mean a minor break in playback, say 0.5s?	02:31
HtheB	yup	02:31
HtheB	kinda annoying though	02:31
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HtheB	and when it turns from landscape into portrait	02:31
asj	HtheB: it beats the woodpecker effect before, it's just scheduling issues	02:31
HtheB	and vice-versa	02:31
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HtheB	is there a manual fix for this	02:31
opdf2	PolarFox: I don't think anyone is unlimited because of bandwidth caps. The only unlimited is T-Mobile USA, which downgrades u to EDGE when u pass 10 GB	02:32
MohammadAG	renice it	02:32
HtheB	renice?	02:32
HtheB	didn't get that one ...	02:33
asj	HtheB: renice is a command line priority control	02:33
HtheB	i should google that one	02:33
mikki-kun	regarding usb host mode... we can assume it will be available in around a week or two, right?	02:33
thunderfest	anyone know where I can download the latest vmware sdk image? following all the links just leads me to a page with the flasher tool downloads	02:34
SpeedEvil	mikki-kun: you can assume it'll be ready in 23 seconds.	02:34
asj	HtheB: if you get phone calls you might want to avoid messing with it to much, the biggest problem I had prior to 1.2 was answering calls since the system was too busy playing music or whatever	02:34
Ken-Young	opdf2, download 0.85 Mb/s upload 0.64 Mb/s ping 140 msec.	02:34
mikki-kun	counting downwards	02:35
PolarFox	opdf2: I know that'll hit finland soon too.. we just buy bandwidth for now, and some operators even offer full speed without limits... for a bit of monetary compensation of course..	02:35
HtheB	hmm	02:35
* SpeedEvil is happy with 1G/mo for 3.33/mo.		02:35
HtheB	but whats the problem by pressing the power button	02:35
PolarFox	I don't mind that much about caps.. I'm mostly on WLAN anyways ..	02:35
HtheB	O_o	02:35
asj	HtheB: but locking by pressing the power button here in general does not cause a "skip"	02:35
smoku	does anyone know how do I show a message to the user from package installation script?	02:35
opdf2	Ken-Young: I'm in chicago, around 1 Mbit down, max 0.35 up, latency 200-300ms	02:36
HtheB	it does over here :(	02:36
HtheB	a big fail :(	02:36
PolarFox	HtheB: CPU usage prob..	02:36
HtheB	hmm	02:36
asj	HtheB: what PolarFox said, I'm playing 256kbit/mp3	02:36
thunderfest	anyone know how to get scratchbox working on ubuntu 10.04?	02:37
opdf2	It'll be soo much better once T-Mobile usa finishing HSPA+ backbone	02:37
PolarFox	showing the menu or activating unlock screen takes CPU also..	02:37
asj	HtheB: run top and look for a runaway process, or mabe it's the audio format?	02:37
Ken-Young	opdf2, In any event it's better than my lousy Verizon DSL.	02:37
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HtheB	asj, it's doing it even with Tracker modules	02:38
midas_	opdf2: you're probably in .nl? :)	02:38
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midas_	oh wait	02:38
midas_	nevermind	02:38
asj	HtheB: huh?	02:38
Termana	good morning	02:38
midas_	(t-mobile netherlands has a little problem with hsdpa here :P)	02:38
HtheB	.mod and .xm files	02:39
HtheB	u know, tracker modules :P?	02:39
asj	morning Termana	02:39
HtheB	chiptunes	02:39
opdf2	midas_: so does usa unless you're in philadelphia	02:39
HtheB	anyway... let me try out some other play	02:39
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asj	HtheB: midis?	02:39
HtheB	and see if pressing power will cause problems	02:39
midas_	here they are blaming apple for using bandwidth :p	02:39
HtheB	some midi look a like files	02:39
PolarFox	someone still uses tracker files? :)	02:39
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HtheB	but also on mp3's	02:40
HtheB	PolarFox, I do! :)	02:40
HtheB	<3	02:40
asj	lol, people actually listen to midis?	02:40
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jacekowski	sort of	02:40
jacekowski	asj: midi is still used	02:40
asj	a game show I listen to has a whole section "mangled by midi"	02:40
jacekowski	asj: all music instruments talk over midi	02:40
HtheB	asj, midi is not mod!	02:40
asj	jacekowski: yes yes, but I mean synthened midi through a computer	02:40
HtheB	no	02:41
jacekowski	well, mod is a midi + sound font in one package	02:41
HtheB	.mod or .xm is pre installed instruments/samples	02:41
HtheB	grrr	02:41
asj	ok, at least you have the right sound font...but	02:41
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jacekowski	asj: well, commercial synthesisers are just a PCs now	02:41
HtheB	it does make an error with ALL sound apps :(	02:41
jacekowski	cheaper ones	02:41
PolarFox	HtheB: I remember when I changed my 8bit soundblaster to a Gravis Ultrasound... :D	02:41
asj	jacekowski: mmm, same with mixers, but the mixer still works better than the pc ;)	02:42
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HtheB	haha :D	02:42
jacekowski	we live in digital world	02:42
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jacekowski	analogue is past unfortunatelly	02:42
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HtheB	PolarFox,	02:44
HtheB	asj	02:44
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HtheB	so basically, pressing power EATS a lot of CPU :/	02:45
asj	jacekowski: tell that to the guys buying $1500 tube, err sorry valve amps	02:45
HtheB	pressing 1 time power	02:45
HtheB	while the music is playing	02:45
HtheB	make 1-2 secs of silence	02:45
PolarFox	HtheB: is screen on?	02:46
HtheB	both	02:46
jacekowski	asj: i'm still using 30 years old amplifier	02:46
HtheB	while it's off and on	02:46
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jacekowski	asj: rated output power 2x25 + 2x15W	02:47
HtheB	though, pressing the power once while screen is off, will turn my screen on	02:47
HtheB	since :p	02:47
jacekowski	asj: supply transformer rated power is around 200W	02:47
HtheB	-since	02:47
PolarFox	Well.. systemui process takes 10% of CPU when I press power button..	02:47
jacekowski	asj: total weight over 10kg	02:47
HtheB	but just when the screen is on, pressing the POWER button will still kill the sound for 2-3 secs :S	02:47
PolarFox	But I have overclocked N900..	02:47
HtheB	wanna see a video?	02:47
asj	jacekowski: but does it have the cool tube glow? ;)	02:48
HtheB	PolarFox, same over here	02:48
HtheB	900 mhz	02:48
jacekowski	asj: http://www.radmory.za.pl/5102.gif	02:48
* asj realizes 30 years is only 1980 :(		02:48
PolarFox	HtheB: You see the menu after those 2-3 seconds?	02:48
jacekowski	something like that	02:48
HtheB	yes	02:48
jacekowski	very nice modular design	02:48
HtheB	I see the menu, and 1 sec later, the music goes on again	02:48
asj	jacekowski: :)	02:48
HtheB	so there will be a delay of 2-3 secs	02:48
PolarFox	I get the menu instantly ... and the music doesn't pause..	02:48
HtheB	:/	02:49
jacekowski	i mean, that's how reliable and easy to fix hardware should be designed	02:49
PolarFox	HtheB: have you tried running conky to see what's going on when you press the power button?	02:49
HtheB	I will now	02:49
HtheB	gimme a sec	02:49
jacekowski	each power stage at separate PCB	02:49
pupnik	instead of overclocking, i want to disable javascript, with a fast key/button to temporarvily activate it	02:49
jacekowski	each part of radio reciever on separate PCB	02:49
asj	HtheB: how many "tweaking" and fancy apps do you have installed to change phone behavior?	02:50
pigeon	does anyone know where i can find a list or an rss feed for what packages are updated in the repo?	02:50
HtheB	uhm...	02:50
jacekowski	asj: http://futureishere.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/radmor-5102-te/ - take a look at photos	02:50
asj	HtheB: or anything from extras-devel ;)	02:50
PolarFox	pigeon: I use AppWatch for that..	02:50
HtheB	root fs is still 70MB free	02:50
PolarFox	HtheB: Normal situation with PR1.2 ;)	02:51
HtheB	indeed	02:51
asj	jacekowski: lol, damn :)	02:51
HtheB	got a lot of apps to be honest	02:51
asj	jacekowski: hand drawn pcbs too	02:51
pigeon	PolarFox: yeah i have that too, but wondering if i could get that info on my desktop machine	02:51
HtheB	but none of them gave me any troubles on 1.1.1	02:52
SpeedEvil	connectors are bad for reliability	02:52
asj	SpeedEvil: and expensive	02:52
HtheB	PolarFox: DO'H!	02:52
PolarFox	pigeon: repository is just a web server with files..	02:52
jacekowski	asj: any problems and you had full set of spare parts to to test	02:52
SpeedEvil	asj: also large, and ...	02:52
HtheB	I can't see whats going on	02:52
HtheB	on Cnky	02:52
jacekowski	SpeedEvil: it never had problems with reliability because of connectors	02:52
HtheB	if I press the power button ...	02:52
pigeon	PolarFox: true...	02:52
SpeedEvil	jacekowski: Miniature ones more so of course	02:52
PolarFox	HtheB: close the menu as soon as you can.. conky updates stuff a little late ;)	02:53
jacekowski	SpeedEvil: whole thing is 50cm wide	02:53
asj	HtheB: well...things change and one of them could be behaving badly, no one here sees it so... ;)	02:53
HtheB	PolarFox, where should I look at ? :)	02:53
HtheB	(which diagram)	02:53
pigeon	i think i upgraded the msn butterfly plugin, now it can't send messages at all it seems.	02:53
PolarFox	HtheB: at least at the programs in the bottom.. if something is showing up as a CPU hog	02:54
jacekowski	and only thing that had issues were these touch sensors on front	02:54
HtheB	weird	02:54
HtheB	if I quickly "close" the menu that jumps when u press the power button	02:54
HtheB	the music quickly resumes	02:54
jacekowski	that had to be kept clean otherwise you would end up with random things happening	02:54
HtheB	if I dont close the menu, there is a pause of 2 secs	02:54
HtheB	so.. the menu causes the pause :/	02:55
HtheB	it's not pausing btw... it's silencing the music	02:55
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midas_	so dont press the power button? :)	02:55
HtheB	if it 's in my pocket	02:55
HtheB	its SOOOOO annoying :(	02:56
jacekowski	well, i never had that problem	02:56
midas_	never happoned to me :)	02:56
pigeon	everything i send, i get "Message sending failed"...	02:56
jacekowski	have you tried it on clean system	02:56
HtheB	hmm	02:56
HtheB	do I have to clean the shit now again? :p	02:56
midas_	anyway, off to bed :)	02:56
midas_	nn all :)	02:56
HtheB	nite	02:56
HtheB	maybe because I use the enhanced kernel?	02:56
asj	HtheB: 'enhanced' how exactly?	02:57
PolarFox	I don't think so.. I've installed that one in the repository...	02:57
jacekowski	overclock probably	02:57
HtheB	hmm	02:57
PolarFox	HtheB: You have shortcutd or something like that running?	02:57
HtheB	no	02:58
HtheB	not at all	02:58
PolarFox	or maybe it's just the 900Mhz settings.. :)	02:58
HtheB	w8 ill just show u	02:58
* asj shudders at the toughts at what people are doing to their phones ;)		02:58
asj	then complaining they are broken	02:58
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PolarFox	asj: I don't complain... I'm fully aware that I'm hazardous to technology.	02:59
asj	PolarFox: not you	02:59
PolarFox	asj: I use up more cars in 5 years than most people use in their lifetimes ;)	02:59
asj	PolarFox: what do you do to them?	02:59
PolarFox	asj: I drive..	02:59
PolarFox	and drive..	03:00
PolarFox	I break laptops in 2 years.. always.. this home desktop is the only thing that has worked more than 4 years..	03:00
PolarFox	Maybe it's because I put it together myself.	03:00
asj	PolarFox: anyways that's not my point, for example if you install an "enhanced" kernel you should know how it's enhanced	03:01
PolarFox	asj: I agree.. and even then you must be ready to buy a new phone.	03:02
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HtheB	PolarFox,	03:02
HtheB	wanna have a lowwww quality video xD	03:02
ZogG	\o/	03:02
PolarFox	There is a SMS Chat on TV... Cancer of broadcast media..	03:03
Macer	hm	03:03
PolarFox	HtheB: shure, I like videos.. except 2 girls 1 cup was a bit too much..	03:03
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asj	PolarFox: and I had blanked that from my memory	03:04
Macer	heh	03:04
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ZogG	damn the contacts in maemo are terrible	03:04
PolarFox	I just wish N900 would have host mode for me.. I would like to do stuff with my Canon DSLR camera ;)	03:04
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ZogG	PolarFox like what>	03:05
PolarFox	Like upload stuff to internet from my camera.. :)	03:06
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Kegetys	and view the viewfinder image	03:06
ZogG	PolarFox, there is usb host support now as i understand	03:06
Kegetys	or the live view image that is	03:06
HtheB	accept it PolarFox	03:06
HtheB	:p	03:06
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MohammadAG	morning ZogG	03:07
PolarFox	HtheB: I'm using a irssi proxy.. please wait .. :)	03:07
ZogG	MohammadAG and DocScrutinizer managed to do something toward it	03:07
ZogG	MohammadAG, why are you not sleeping?	03:07
MohammadAG	I don't recall having anything for tomorrow	03:07
MohammadAG	2. http://i49.tinypic.com/1j4ttu.jpg	03:08
ZogG	what about nuclear attack?	03:08
MohammadAG	3. "Sleep is overrated" (C) DocScrutinizer	03:08
ZogG	MohammadAG =)	03:08
PolarFox	HtheB: Well hoorayh, it didn't work. :)	03:09
ZogG	MohammadAG i need to start programming on qt	03:09
HtheB	haha	03:09
ZogG	but i'm too noob	03:09
HtheB	trying again	03:09
HtheB	or w8	03:09
HtheB	ill upload it	03:09
PolarFox	How can anyone sleep when there is the NHL finals going on.. :)	03:09
MohammadAG	Meh	03:09
MohammadAG	World Cup ftw	03:09
ZogG	MohammadAG, today i saw girl with N900, so i started to talk and at the end got her number =) Nokia connecting people	03:09
HtheB	WC <3	03:09
Mousey	whats an NHL final? do you have to study for it?	03:09
MohammadAG	I'm so waiting to start flaming	03:09
lardman\|home	night all	03:10
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PolarFox	N900 with good host support would make my photography "business" so much easier.. no need to drag a laptop with me for sending previews to the editor.. :)	03:10
ZogG	MohammadAG, so how the fuck do they want us to organize all the contacts?	03:10
HtheB	ok uploaded!	03:10
asj	ZogG: it wasn't 21-479-7990 was it?	03:11
HtheB	www.htheb.com/Sound_Silence_Pressing_Power.3gp	03:11
ZogG	asj, are you girl?	03:11
HtheB	sorry, taken with my Nokia 6230	03:11
asj	ZogG: oops, 212-749-7990, google it :)	03:11
HtheB	watch it Polar	03:12
asj	ack, why can't I type it right, 479	03:12
HtheB	www.lmgtfy.com/?q=212-479-7990	03:12
MohammadAG	HtheB, I don	03:13
MohammadAG	't get that	03:13
HtheB	did u watch the vid?	03:13
HtheB	it's the pressing power button shizzle :p	03:13
MohammadAG	yeah	03:13
HtheB	if I just use my switch etc	03:13
HtheB	no problems at all	03:13
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HtheB	but once the MENU drops down	03:13
HtheB	when u press power	03:13
HtheB	it will kill the sound for 2 secs	03:14
ZogG	asj, man, you probably learned that number in a hard way	03:14
HtheB	even if the screen is black already	03:14
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TheOne	hi guys	03:14
asj	ZogG: I just think it's hilarious :)	03:14
ZogG	asj, actually not that one, as she took my number first =)	03:14
TheOne	can sameone tell me an app to view powerpoint presentations on my n900 ?	03:14
ZogG	asj, yeah, it is =) but it's mean	03:14
asj	ZogG: it's very passive agresive, if you don't have the balls to say "f off and die" then....oh wait..	03:15
PolarFox	HtheB: funny.	03:15
ZogG	asj, if girl can't say fuck of ,she is slut anyways =)	03:15
ZogG	off*	03:15
HtheB	weird problem idd	03:15
ZogG	damn i alays fforget that there are kids here	03:16
ZogG	sorry MohammadAG	03:16
TheOne	exists such an app? ^^	03:16
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TheOne	or does i have to convert ppt files to pdf ?	03:17
ZogG	PolarFox, so if your business is photography you would prob know	03:17
Ken-Young	TheOne, Openoffice under Easy Debian would probably do it.	03:17
ZogG	there is this program for n900 to edit photos	03:17
ZogG	can it delete all the data of camera and so on, i mean from picture	03:17
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TheOne	hmm ooo would be cool but it is not touch optimized - i think it must be a pain to use it	03:18
ZogG	Ken-Young, not the way to do it	03:18
PolarFox	Editing photos on anything less GREAT laptop is waste of time.. :)	03:18
TheOne	other options?	03:18
PolarFox	But I do forget a lot of words... Maybe I really should sleep some..	03:18
SpeedEvil	ZogG: Stripping exif data would be an obvious feature.	03:18
ZogG	PolarFox, i don't need to edit - i want to delete all metadata of camera, just don't want anyone to track me =))	03:19
ZogG	SpeedEvil, the question if it does that	03:19
PolarFox	ZogG: Exiv2 ? :)	03:19
PolarFox	Does it have an maemo port? :)	03:20
ZogG	took photos of car today from exhibition and was told not to upload to internets =)	03:20
ZogG	PolarFox, nope - there is photo editor program for maemo	03:21
HtheB	this isnt the internets	03:21
HtheB	its IRC! :p	03:21
HtheB	ZogG, GIMP? :p	03:21
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PolarFox	Why use an photoeditor to remove metadata? :) exiv2 can do same thing from console. :)	03:21
ZogG	HtheB for photo	03:21
ZogG	anole or something like that	03:22
HtheB	gims is for photo....	03:22
HtheB	gimp*	03:22
ZogG	HtheB gimp is for more	03:22
HtheB	and for photo :P	03:22
HtheB	heh	03:22
HtheB	GNU Image manupulation P.....	03:22
HtheB	program?	03:22
* ZogG throws crazy turtles on HtheB		03:22
* HtheB dodges the turtles		03:23
* HtheB throws squeezes plastic bottles loaded with shit in it on ZogG		03:23
HtheB	-throws	03:23
ZogG	failed	03:23
HtheB	xD	03:24
ZogG	)	03:24
HtheB	PolarFox,	03:24
HtheB	ill flash 1.2 again	03:24
ZogG	just do it	03:24
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ZogG	i don't need to wake up in the morning	03:25
HtheB	quick flash command pls	03:25
ZogG	]o/	03:25
ZogG	~flashing	03:25
HtheB	-f	03:25
infobot	it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	03:25
HtheB	too lazy to check	03:25
HtheB	sigh	03:25
HtheB	ok	03:25
ZogG	~kick HtheB	03:25
* infobot kicks HtheB		03:25
HtheB	fu	03:25
HtheB	:P	03:26
HtheB	heh	03:26
* ZogG is going back to sleep		03:26
HtheB	nite ZogG	03:26
ZogG	night	03:26
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HtheB	ok flashed :)	03:31
HtheB	lets see now	03:31
HtheB	PolarFox	03:33
HtheB	wtf lol	03:34
HtheB	theme fail	03:34
* TheOne found freeoffice, thats works perfekt - thx and bye		03:34
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HtheB	it works!	03:35
HtheB	but my theme has been lost	03:35
HtheB	lol!?	03:35
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ohwhyme	HtheB: What works?	03:36
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HtheB	www.htheb.com/Sound_Silence_Pressing_Power.3gp	03:36
HtheB	i had this odd problem	03:36
HtheB	pressing power made my sound get back to silence for 2 secs	03:36
HtheB	while listening to music	03:37
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HtheB	my there was dissappeird	03:38
HtheB	had some "windows 95" look a like buttons	03:38
HtheB	:D	03:38
HtheB	flashing again	03:38
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HtheB	damn	03:39
HtheB	2.40 already!	03:40
HtheB	i shuold go to bed :/	03:40
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HtheB	\:D/	03:42
HtheB	works	03:42
HtheB	now lets put back the backup	03:42
HtheB	and see if it makes the same problem	03:42
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rodald	hi everyone does anybody knows why i cant play the recorded videos with the TV out?	03:44
asj	rodald: wfm	03:44
rodald	what do you mean?	03:45
asj	rodald: works for me	03:45
asj	rodald: do they play at all?	03:45
rodald	oooh, yes on the device they play but it doesent show on the TV	03:46
asj	ok, when you plug in tv-out does that work? show you the grid, etc	03:47
rodald	everything else does shows but the recorded videos dont	03:47
asj	no clue	03:47
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rodald	i can see all the other videos but i cant see the ones i recorded	03:48
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Macer	anybody here remember the name of the movie about the final days in the hitler bunker in berlin?	03:52
pigeon	ok, downgraded telepathy-butterfly back to 0.5.4-1maemo0 and it works now	03:53
rodald	does any body else has this problem? with the TV out	03:53
asj	rodald: ah, haven't actually tried video I recorded myself, sec	03:53
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Macer	downfall	03:54
rodald	and do you know if any body else has tried it?	03:54
timeless_mbp	anyone here familiar w/ hildon2.2 theming?	03:57
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asj	rodald: tried it, fails. 3rd party video works, video the n900 recorded fails.	03:57
asj	rodald: best I can suggest is filing a bug report at the maemo bugzilla	03:58
asj	rodald: that'll mean it has a chance of getting fixed at least	03:58
rodald	ok thank you, so it doesnt work with you either?	03:58
Macer	asj: hm. i never tried the video out with the videos i made on the cam	03:58
Macer	i should try it :)	03:59
MohammadAG	wow	03:59
MohammadAG	never seen a python app segfault	03:59
rodald	try it maybe on yours it works	03:59
Macer	MohammadAG: i thought python just calls other apps ;)	03:59
Macer	rodald: hm. let me dig up the cable and give it a try.. brb	04:00
asj	rodald: correct, I just tested it here (monitor has composite in) and it does not work. camera application shows the picture while in camera mode looks pretty neat at 24", then switch to record video and I lose the video output. Record video. Try play back, black terminal.	04:00
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rodald	where can i file the bug?	04:01
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asj	rodald: https://bugs.maemo.org/index.cgi	04:01
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timeless_mbp	rodald: did you try switching between NTSC and PAL?	04:03
Macer	nope	04:04
Macer	they don't :)	04:04
MohammadAG	can anyone help with a pyQt app?	04:04
rodald	yes but my TV its a regular one and if i change to PAL it apears with interference	04:04
timeless_mbp	so what's the bug?	04:04
* timeless_mbp fishes for a cable		04:04
Macer	heh	04:04
Macer	rodald: just tried it	04:04
Macer	avis work fine	04:05
Macer	i don't have another h264 non n900 video to test with tho	04:05
rodald	so it is because of the file format?	04:05
Macer	i would guess it is because the n900 probably uses the hw decoder	04:05
Macer	but that's just a wild guess ;)	04:05
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Macer	maybe the tv out port isn't connected to the hw decoder?	04:06
asj	I don't buy that Macer	04:06
Macer	:)	04:06
Macer	well .. i get the vid on the phone but not on the tv	04:06
asj	Macer: the view finder while taking video isn't output either, yet it is for pics	04:06
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asj	it's like an anti-drm feature ;)	04:07
Macer	haha... i don't buy that ;)	04:07
Macer	drm on n900 recorded video?	04:07
asj	you can watch pirated, err legally aquired video, but not ones you record youself ;)	04:07
Macer	hahaha	04:07
Macer	that would be awesome :)	04:08
Macer	anti-anti-piracy	04:08
asj	eactly	04:08
Macer	wtf. i have no idea where these damn scratches are coming from	04:09
Macer	they are very small but noticable in light	04:09
Macer	i'm starting to suspect the stylus	04:09
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Macer	i take very good care of my n900	04:09
Macer	i think i'll get a screen protector so it won't show as badly	04:09
asj	Macer: that'll make the screen horrible	04:10
rodald	i have the same problem and my screen protector arrives in two weeks :(	04:10
* timeless_mbp frowns		04:10
asj	touch wise	04:10
rodald	and i really thake good care of it	04:10
* timeless_mbp can't find the cable		04:10
Macer	asj: i've used a screen protector on my n810	04:10
* timeless_mbp used it recently		04:10
Macer	it works fine	04:10
Macer	:)	04:10
* timeless_mbp will just have to grab another		04:10
asj	no comment ;)	04:10
Macer	heh	04:10
* MohammadAG can't figure out how a pyQt app segfaults		04:10
asj	I hate symbian	04:10
Macer	i need to order a protector	04:10
MohammadAG	class MyForm(QtGui.QMainWindow):	04:11
MohammadAG	def __init__(self, parent=None):	04:11
MohammadAG	#build parent user interface	04:11
MohammadAG	QtGui.QWidget.__init__(self, parent)	04:11
MohammadAG	self.ui = Ui_MainWindow()	04:11
MohammadAG	is that right ^?	04:11
asj	I just flashed an n900, emmc, everything. Startup is very nice, asks for date/time, even tells you how to use the UI	04:11
rodald	i ordered one from Hong Kong and it takes 2 weeks to get to Guatemala	04:11
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asj	I hard reset a symbian device and it says "Date: 01/01/2009" wtf is it m/d/y y/m/d? wtf, nice startup	04:12
MohammadAG	lol	04:12
timeless_mbp	asj: eh?	04:12
asj	timeless_mbp: it asks for the date and you don't know the format	04:13
timeless_mbp	asj: oh, that's a nokia hallmark	04:13
timeless_mbp	it's designed to ensure you screw up :)	04:13
MohammadAG	lol	04:13
Ken-Young	It just wants a very standard Star Trek Stardate - what't the problem?	04:14
timeless_mbp	Ken-Young: i don't think that's stardate format	04:14
rodald	so, if i change the format to .avi will it show?	04:14
Kegetys	proper system would ask to input unixtime	04:15
Ken-Young	Kegetys, You could used one of those scrolling Hildon picker widgets with all possible Unix times.	04:16
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Kegetys	:)	04:17
asj	Ken-Young: you would have to have it auto scroll to keep up	04:18
asj	actually I think the clock hands for setting the time is cool	04:18
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MohammadAG	is strace available for maemo?	04:19
MohammadAG	nvm	04:20
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Macer	heh	04:21
pupnik	suggestion for nokia: 1800-2000mah and power-saving resistive for next meego device	04:21
MohammadAG	:/	04:21
MohammadAG	app runs on Ubuntu	04:21
pupnik	yes MohammadAG	04:21
MohammadAG	but segfaults on the N900	04:21
MohammadAG	pupnik, I'm just ranting	04:22
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cehteh	MohammadAG: C/C++?	04:22
MohammadAG	pyqt...	04:23
pigeon	PolarFox: ah, that list i was thinking of is http://maemo.org/packages/repository/builds/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/all/ and http://maemo.org/packages/repository/latest/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/all/	04:23
MohammadAG	Nokia-N900:~# python ./hostmode.py	04:23
MohammadAG	Segmentation fault	04:23
asj	pupnik: might as well make it water proof too eh?	04:23
GAN900	Man the Dell Streak is boring	04:24
MohammadAG	stat64("/usr/local/sbin/python", 0xbef2b100) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)	04:24
MohammadAG	stat64("/usr/local/bin/python", 0xbef2b100) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)	04:24
MohammadAG	stat64("/usr/sbin/python", 0xbef2b100) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)	04:24
MohammadAG	huh	04:24
asj	seriouly, we have a pad and a streak?	04:25
MohammadAG	rofl	04:25
GAN900	Snapdragon, 5" 800x480	04:25
GAN900	Android	04:25
GAN900	Borrrring	04:25
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timeless_mbp	hi GAN900	04:27
timeless_mbp	have you tried portrait mail?	04:27
MohammadAG	Shapeshifter, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54559	04:30
pigeon	just double checking, is extras-devel or extras-testing more "experimental"?	04:31
njsf_	extras-devel is more experimental	04:31
MohammadAG	-devel	04:31
pupnik	heck, i dunno if it would sell, but it might. a bit bigger device with wider/longer batt	04:31
pigeon	thank you.	04:31
MohammadAG	SDK repo is suicide	04:32
pigeon	which one is the sdk repo?	04:32
MohammadAG	the one in the SDK :)	04:32
MohammadAG	repository.maemo.org	04:32
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asj	pupnik: and with a waterproof verison it's a great boat anchor! ;)	04:33
Ken-Young	What is the purpose of "Maemo Select" ? How is it supposed to differ from the Ovi Store?	04:33
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asj	Ken-Young: to configure customers, it's nokia after all ;0	04:35
pupnik	asj: the point i am emphasizing is that larger is still pocketable but offers space for better screen, keyboard, and much more battery	04:35
njsf_	asj: you meant confuse right ?	04:35
timeless_mbp	Ken-Young: ovi store requires an ovi account	04:35
timeless_mbp	maemo stuff does not	04:35
asj	njsf_: lol, yes	04:36
timeless_mbp	njsf_: see nokia confused asj :)	04:36
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Ken-Young	timeless, But why not just have it in Extras then?	04:36
njsf_	Hmmm also it is because when the n900 first arrived Ovi Store for it was not there	04:36
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njsf_	Ken-Young: I think because they wanted those apps as lure to the ovi store	04:37
njsf_	where they can actually charge you	04:37
njsf_	the HAM does not have any link to any account	04:38
Ken-Young	njsf_, But there are free apps in the Ovi Store too.	04:38
njsf_	Ken-Young: yes... those are the lure, you are the fish, the paid apps are the hook ;)	04:38
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Ken-Young	njsf_, SO why have Maemo Select too?	04:39
njsf_	Ken-Young: because at first there was no Ovi Store	04:39
njsf_	it was just a coming soon page	04:39
njsf_	but some apps were ready and people wanted them	04:39
njsf_	also on select there are links also to some apps on extras in addition to Ovi	04:40
Ken-Young	njsf_, Isn't that what the Extras repository is for?	04:40
njsf_	it was a way for Nokia to show _some_ apps at launch time	04:40
timeless_mbp	Ken-Young: have which where?	04:40
njsf_	Ken-Young: I am not the de-confuser ;)	04:40
Ken-Young	njsf_, I was counting on you to reveal the grand design to me!	04:41
njsf_	You assume there is one....	04:41
timeless_mbp	Ken-Young: it is in extras	04:42
timeless_mbp	select is basically extra advertising	04:42
timeless_mbp	Ken-Young: try loading http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo-select/applications/hermes/	04:42
Ken-Young	timeless, So everything in "Maemo Select" is in Extras too?	04:42
timeless_mbp	click the download link in a non maemo browser	04:42
timeless_mbp	well	04:42
njsf_	No some are links free ovi apps	04:42
njsf_	like firefox	04:42
pigeon	i wish hermes will prompt for what to sync, rather than silently syncing everything.	04:43
timeless_mbp	http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo-select/applications/skype/	04:43
timeless_mbp	skype is preinstalled	04:43
Ken-Young	OK, I think I understand now. Thanks.	04:43
timeless_mbp	and has some totally messed up copy on the right side	04:43
timeless_mbp	you can also get firefox from mozilla.org	04:44
timeless_mbp	and it's probably better that way..	04:44
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asj	and to be honest, as someone who looked at trying to get an app into the Ovi Store, for a single developer at home it's almost impossible	04:49
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asj	the paperwork, gov't this, gov't that, $50 here, $200 there, wtf waste of time especially if it's oss/free or cheap anyways	04:50
GAN900	asj, amen	04:51
GAN900	asj, Nokia is retarded as far as shit like that goes.	04:51
GAN900	Apple got it right	04:51
Ken-Young	It's amazing how many things Apple got right.	04:51
asj	Apple did, $99 once and you're golden. Though I don't like their sole control over selection, but that's apple and price you pay to dance with the devil	04:52
GAN900	Yeah	04:52
GAN900	Not perfect, but liability insurance for Ovi is just INSANE.	04:52
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Ken-Young	GAN900, THey make you purchase liability insurance to sell in the Ovi store?	04:53
GAN900	Ken-Young, last time I checked.	04:54
asj	is that part of the ovi store registration fee? or separate?	04:54
Ken-Young	GAN900, I had no idea. That's nutty.	04:54
asj	Ken-Young: I'm amazed there's anything on the ovi store	04:55
Ken-Young	Angry BIrds. Gotta love 'em.	04:55
GAN900	asj, well, there's not, really.	04:55
asj	Ken-Young: when I brought this up the answer I got is "we don't want apps from single/lone developers in a basement, it takes a dev team+UI team to make a good app"	04:55
GAN900	asj, only from established non-indie dev houses.	04:55
GAN900	asj, which is hilarious	04:55
Ken-Young	GAN900, I will not listen to people bad-mouthing Little Snow Pricess videos.	04:55
Ken-Young	s/Pricess/Princess/	04:56
infobot	Ken-Young meant: GAN900, I will not listen to people bad-mouthing Little Snow Princess videos.	04:56
GAN900	considering the shit Nokia and its dev partners routinely churns out	04:56
asj	GAN900: touche ;)	04:56
GAN900	They don't even have UI people on Fremantle anymore	04:56
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timeless_mbp	anyone here understand glade?	04:58
asj	GAN900: well...freemantle is in maintenance mode <shrug> you'de hope they are on maemo6,e tc	04:59
timeless_mbp	asj: it takes a dev team+UI team to make a truly bad app	04:59
timeless_mbp	you need 3 ui designers to talk past each-other to ensure as much inconsistency as possible	04:59
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timeless_mbp	does anyone here understand how to control spacing in a tree using glade xml?	05:01
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asj	timeless_mbp: I don't think it's always true, but it certainly seems to work damn well	05:01
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timeless_mbp	how the heck does one change the row height in a tree? :(	05:05
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Macer	omg land of the lost just cracked me up	05:10
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Macer	the part where the t-rex throws a huge walnut at the cave wrapped up like a gift was a riot	05:10
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GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, no, what's the shortcut for portrait mail?	05:15
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timeless_mbp	ctrl-shift-r	05:18
timeless_mbp	but you'll want to install my strings otherwise you get unlocalized strings :)	05:18
* timeless_mbp grumbles		05:19
timeless_mbp	is there anything which shows a picture with labels indicating how each glade property affects an object?	05:20
timeless_mbp	(glade)	05:20
pigeon	does anyone know how i could add my own "folder" with catorise?	05:20
opdf2	app manager says I got no applications installed	05:20
LiraNuna	can anyone get kernel-power working with PR1.2?	05:20
opdf2	error log: Problem opening /var/lib/apt/lists/download.maemo.nokia.com_frementle1.2_ovi_._Packages	05:21
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pigeon	oh, there's a list in the perl script of catorise...	05:21
LiraNuna	I can't get wifi and 3G to work - the device simply crashes when the connection is made	05:21
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timeless_mbp	lira: which device and which os version?	05:21
LiraNuna	N900, latest	05:22
LiraNuna	OTA update	05:22
timeless_mbp	sorry, could i have that in the form of a number?	05:22
timeless_mbp	1.1.1?	05:22
LiraNuna	yes, hold on	05:22
timeless_mbp	1.1?	05:22
LiraNuna	ah, 1.2	05:22
timeless_mbp	ok	05:22
LiraNuna	<LiraNuna> can anyone get kernel-power working with PR1.2?	05:22
* timeless_mbp shrugs		05:22
timeless_mbp	i have access to a post 1.2	05:22
LiraNuna	:O	05:23
timeless_mbp	so when people say "latest", I think "it's all relative"	05:23
LiraNuna	I see	05:23
LiraNuna	latest public release :)	05:23
timeless_mbp	sometimes that's kinda random	05:23
LiraNuna	latest US public release?	05:23
LiraNuna	:P	05:23
timeless_mbp	e.g, there's a virtualbox 3.2.0	05:23
timeless_mbp	but the update check doesn't offer it	05:23
timeless_mbp	because it had a big memory leak	05:24
LiraNuna	interesting	05:24
hunt	anybody who could tell me which is the latest device of maemo? n900? or ?	05:24
LiraNuna	N900 at this moment	05:24
timeless_mbp	and supposedly there was a 1.2 in hong kong a long time before the real 1.2	05:24
LiraNuna	unless Nokia is working on N910 or N1000	05:24
timeless_mbp	i'm still not sure if that's true, or whether it was just a leak or something	05:24
LiraNuna	timeless_mbp, yeah, I've heard about that	05:24
timeless_mbp	but it's really a bad idea to make people guess	05:24
LiraNuna	true. but I DID specify the version	05:24
timeless_mbp	those two questions didn't appear related :)	05:25
LiraNuna	anyway, anyone experiencing similar problems?	05:25
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LiraNuna	BANANA SPLIT	05:25
timeless_mbp	cherry on top?	05:26
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pigeon	hmm, starting to like catorise now... now that i know how to create my own catergories...	05:28
* timeless_mbp likes it w/o needing to do that		05:29
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GeneralAntilles	I just wish I were better at predicting where people put packages.	05:36
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opdf2	i ended disabling and enabling repo's one by one until I found the culprit	05:42
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opdf2	turns out I had extras twice. argh	05:46
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opdf2	I enabled one by hand before I OTA 1.2, then after 1.2 has maemo.org repo enabled by default	05:48
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ohwhyme	any way to make bluetooth volume louder?	06:13
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ruskie	hmm ever since updating to pr1.2 I keep getting insufficient power on usb port warning every so often even though it worked without a problem on the same ports since the start	08:19
cehteh	normal computer usb ports or cheap laptop?	08:20
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RST38h	http://gizmodo.com/5553906/british-airways-ad-implies-osama-bin-laden-is-a-frequent-flyer	08:23
RST38h	Priceless	08:23
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ruskie	cehteh, normal ;)	08:30
ruskie	cehteh, some even on a powered usb hub ;)	08:30
ruskie	cehteh, anyway it's just odd... it still seems to be charging though	08:30
cehteh	some? multiple devices?	08:30
cehteh	i never got that warning	08:31
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ruskie	erm sometimes	08:31
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cehteh	cheap hardware is sometimes out of specs this includes cheap laptops/netbook and usb-hubs	08:33
cehteh	maybe the new firmware is just more picky about that	08:33
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ruskie	well the hub wasn't exactly cheap... 30+ eur I think	08:34
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ruskie	and it actually worked so far	08:35
cehteh	hehe i just removed the power cord from my hub and plugged the n900 in, and it charges without complaint (but accu was 100%full)	08:35
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ruskie	charges without complaint as well here but in the middle of charging... maybe while I'm trying to check for mesages or calls it will spew out a notice about it	08:37
ruskie	still seems to go on charging	08:37
ruskie	just says insufficient power to charge battery	08:37
cehteh	i never seen that	08:38
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asj	I've seen that, also seen the message "Phone drawing more power than charger can provide"	08:43
ruskie	yeah	08:43
ruskie	generally both came at the same time	08:43
ruskie	atleast for me	08:43
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cehteh	maybe because i dont do number crunching with my phone :)	08:47
cehteh	well it can draw more power than a usb port can provide	08:47
Surfa	seen that too	08:48
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Surfa	but have you seen that with charger or usb-cable?	08:49
Surfa	usb-ports on computers tend to give so little power that in many cases it doesn't charge at all, even ow light your usage is, but simply prevent the phone from draining	08:50
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asj	Surfa: usb cable with a nearly dead phone, and I'm probably not quoteing the message correctly. 500ma is a lot of power to be consuming though...	08:52
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Surfa	asj, i don't know the details, but i think the currency is dependent on mother board too, but yep i don't know the ranges that computers provide	08:53
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Surfa	that's just a observation of te battery charge :) no maths included	08:54
asj	Surfa: I do know the details, but it's too involved to get into ;)	08:54
Surfa	no doubt, someone always knows more	08:54
Surfa	but anyway the usb-charging seems to be a lot slower/inefficient than with original charger, don't know why, don't really care :)	08:55
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asj	Surfa: charger is 1200ma	08:59
asj	so it's 2.something times faster	08:59
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cehteh	more than that	09:05
cehteh	mhm and mappero just crashed my device once again grr	09:06
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Surfa	mappero isn't quite stable yet	09:07
Surfa	i tried it an when the first turn came out, it crashed the whole phone	09:08
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Surfa	then i simply uninstalled it.. don't really need voice navigation that much	09:08
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ShadowJK	sygic is lightweight (compared to ovi and other monstrosities) :D	09:11
cehteh	sygic?	09:11
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ShadowJK	sygic maps	09:11
cehteh	is that this stuff from ovi store?	09:12
* cehteh wants osm maps		09:12
cehteh	maep is ok too	09:12
ShadowJK	I think there's 7 day demo in ovi store	09:12
* ShadowJK bought it from sygic's own website		09:13
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cehteh	dont want	09:13
Surfa	well, i think it should be also in the ovi store shortly	09:13
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* pigeon is waiting for australia map for sygic.		09:16
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mece	heh. http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2010/06/01/nazi-food/	09:22
thresh	never seen that yet	09:23
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ZogG	mece don't think it's label	09:33
ZogG	it's probably some nazi people just made those stickers and went to shop	09:34
ShadowJK	you can see same products in shelf without the sticker	09:36
thresh	ZogG: read the annotations	09:37
ZogG	oh	09:38
thresh	that was done by putinjugend	09:38
ZogG	read it	09:38
ruskie	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/02/novell_meego/ <- I just hope it won't be pushing mono	09:38
ZogG	i thought internets only for lulz picterus	09:38
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nocturnal	on the n900, what's the escape button?	09:38
ZogG	didn't thought you can actually read something	09:38
ZogG	nocturnal what for?	09:39
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asj	ZogG: I assume vi	09:39
nocturnal	ZogG: i want to press esc to exit insert mode in vi. or maybe you know another way	09:39
ZogG	nope i don't	09:39
ZogG	ask asj	09:39
asj	nocturnal: terminal? beside ctrl, tab, etc	09:39
ZogG	he knows everything	09:39
mece	lol	09:40
nocturnal	oh man i'm so stupid	09:40
nocturnal	thanks asj	09:40
nocturnal	i even added a pipe to that bar but i guess it's too early in the morning	09:40
ZogG	told ya	09:40
asj	nocturnal: you can edit that bar?	09:40
nocturnal	yeah	09:40
nocturnal	i found it on the internets, google	09:40
nocturnal	something about running gconf	09:40
thresh	:)	09:40
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asj	sweet, the lack of \| is a pita	09:41
nocturnal	truly	09:41
nocturnal	pipe is the most important character in the unix alphabet	09:41
nocturnal	or so the legend goes	09:41
thresh	right after >	09:41
nocturnal	=)	09:41
thresh	one can argue though	09:41
nocturnal	yeah i mean i'm sure \n holds a special place too	09:42
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mece	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=13405	09:43
luke-jr	so Nokia/Intel claim they can guarantee MeeGo is patent-safe because of their own huge patent portfolios	09:43
luke-jr	what kind of logic is that? :/	09:43
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thresh	lawyers	09:43
ShadowJK	it's the only one that works when absolutely everything is patented :)	09:43
ruskie	luke-jr, the logic of you try doing anything to our baby and you'll be turned into a bloody pulp	09:43
luke-jr	ShadowJK: only when Nokia/Intel can sub-license everything patented out	09:44
ShadowJK	it's like nuclear weapons, mutual assured destruction	09:44
ruskie	I'm guessing between Nokia and Intel they could probably buy most patent trolls out	09:44
asj	ShadowJK: more like mutually assured years of litigation	09:44
asj	MAYL, doesn't sound as good as mad	09:45
ShadowJK	asj: don't feed the trolls	09:45
luke-jr	ruskie: except Microsoft, which is afaik the only one actively attacking	09:45
ruskie	luke-jr, they aren't actually attacking	09:46
ruskie	just FUDing	09:46
ruskie	like they have been doing for years	09:46
luke-jr	ruskie: they're getting people to pay	09:46
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luke-jr	and it only takes one patent	09:46
luke-jr	IIRC Microsoft has one on vfat	09:46
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luke-jr	which if held to be valid would indeed cover Linux	09:46
ruskie	not really	09:46
timeless_mbp	luke-jr: help	09:46
ruskie	it was workaround a while ago iirc	09:46
* timeless_mbp is trying to muck w/ zenity.ui		09:47
* timeless_mbp is stuck		09:47
luke-jr	timeless_mbp: wtf is that and why do you ask me?	09:47
* ruskie suggests gtk-server but still hasn't bothered learning it himself		09:47
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timeless_mbp	i need someone who understands Glade .ui files	09:48
timeless_mbp	and i dunno	09:48
luke-jr	timeless_mbp: boo GTK	09:48
luke-jr	throw that crap in the trash and write a Qt equivalent	09:48
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timeless_mbp	view-source:http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/zenity.ui	09:48
timeless_mbp	sure, because a Qt equivalent is really going to work better on maemo4 and maemo5	09:49
mece	is there a bug report for the jumpy buttons when answering a call in pr1.2 (portrait mode)	09:49
luke-jr	as if you/Nokia care about Maemo4	09:49
timeless_mbp	and because i want to change my tiny app's download size to include the cost for Qt	09:49
timeless_mbp	luke-jr: i still have a package i should probably update for DocScrutinizer	09:50
mece	timeless_mbp, what's the problem with the file?	09:51
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ZogG	asj i have \|	09:51
timeless_mbp	mece: i want to add padding between rows in the tree	09:51
ZogG	asj, you can change keyboard maps	09:52
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timeless_mbp	and make the buttons taller or whatever so they are more fingerable	09:52
ZogG	as well i have more combinations like fn+shift+z (it works only for certain keys)	09:52
mece	timeless_mbp, did you try to modify the spacing?	09:52
ZogG	so if i use SDK Nokia, and i add object - can i jump to code straight to object or i need to write it in as well?	09:53
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timeless_mbp	i did	09:54
timeless_mbp	but i can't really figure out how to get it right	09:54
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mece	timeless_mbp, right, in the tree-view?	09:55
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timeless_mbp	mece: well, i tried 'ypad' or something	09:56
timeless_mbp	and a few other things, but i can't figure out how to make it work	09:56
timeless_mbp	i'd rather not understand this and have someone just give me a version of the file that works :)	09:56
timeless_mbp	i can give you a testcase app	09:56
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mece	timeless_mbp, sorry I don't have time to get into it that much right now. for some reason I actually have some work to do while at work today :/	09:58
timeless_mbp	mece: i'm unlikely to be able to do much about this for a while	09:59
frals	http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/06/02/2317241 eu = awesome, right?	09:59
timeless_mbp	so if you magically do it over the weekend, that's ok too	09:59
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viliny_	FYI	10:18
viliny_	if you put your phone in the freezer and forget it there, it won't start again after a while	10:18
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Surfa	hmm, that's surprising, because I've seen many phones working in a -20 conditions.. slowly, but working anyway	10:20
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savant42	newbie question, does pr1.2 still have the power save mode?	10:23
viliny_	what i ment to say was... heres the thing in its entirety -> I have a mugen battery and they tell me that you should boot it at 18 celsius to get more accurate readings from the battery. So far this seems to be true... so what i did was i put the whole phone in the freezer as opposed to what i usually just do - put the battery in the freezer. Went out for a smoke and forgot the phone there.... found it later and it was still running but it couldn't find the	10:23
viliny_	sim card anymore so i turned it off... after a while all i got was nokia welcome screen and then nothing. Waited a little longer with the easy parts removed such as back-cover and battery and it started again later :) But boy was there condensation on the thing	10:23
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viliny_	think my freezer reaches around -30	10:24
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Surfa	i think optimal freezer temperature is around -20 :)	10:24
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Surfa	rest is waste of energy	10:24
viliny_	true that	10:25
viliny_	me in a nutshell, overdo everything ;P	10:25
DocScrutinizer	zenity, woohoo	10:25
Surfa	but ok, i think that's expected.. below zero celcius conditions are very usual	10:25
Surfa	savant42, i don't understand the question	10:25
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savant42	Surfa: I see lots of references to PSM and power saving options for wifi causing issues with openssh to the device, in my case an n900	10:26
savant42	it used to work, now it doesnt; I've since reflashed with pr1.2	10:26
savant42	wondering if pr1.2 has the powersaving options everyone is talking about, so I can disable them, see if that helps	10:27
mece	savant42, which powersaving options are those?	10:27
savant42	I read there were power saving options for the wifi card, but not sure if that's for other devices or older builds	10:27
Surfa	well, i highly doubt you want to adjust any power saving methods on the phone :)	10:28
mece	savant42, if you mean sr_vdd1/2_autocomp then no, pr1.2 doesn't have that enabled.	10:28
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savant42	Any reason you can think of that I can ssh FROM the phone to my linux server/mac but not the other way around? OpenSSHD is installed from the stable repsotiory	10:29
savant42	ps aux\|grep ssh shows /usr/bin/sshd -D running	10:30
Surfa	savant42, your operator blocks incoming tcp connections? or are you using wlan?	10:30
savant42	wlan on local network	10:30
savant42	in truth I dont even have a sim in there, it's running purely as a tablet, not a phone	10:30
mece	savant42, powersaving wlan.	10:30
savant42	:\|	10:30
mece	savant42, just ping the machine fron n900.	10:31
mece	from	10:31
frals	Settings -> Internet connections > Connections > Edit the WLAN -> step through the guide until you get to 'advanced', tap it, 3rd tab from the left have 'power saving mode'	10:31
savant42	ah, ok	10:31
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savant42	if this works my next kid will be named Frals Mece	10:32
mece	LOL	10:33
savant42	and Frals Mece it is!!!!	10:33
savant42	I could kiss you both, but I won't	10:33
mece	hahahhaa	10:33
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savant42	ok, since you're on a roll, any idea why the speaker will play misc. audio, like the nokia startup sound, and the keyboard clicks, but not play any audio at all in the media player? I'm only using the stock mp3s that are on there, no downloads, so no codec issues	10:33
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mece	savant42, fm transmitter on perhaps?	10:34
savant42	it's disabled, should it not be?	10:34
mece	oh wait that would move all sounds to fm... eh no it shouldn't be. So that's not the problem	10:35
savant42	I didn't reflash the emmc, so there might be some junk in there? But I've never tweaked the codecs	10:35
mece	hmm.	10:36
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savant42	ultimately I don't care much, since it's not my primary device, but issues like this get my goat	10:36
mece	my media player haven't had any problems so I really have no idea.	10:36
savant42	that's what everyone says :\	10:36
mece	savant42, does it play sound in videos?	10:37
savant42	if I couldnt hear the stupid nokia post sound I'd suspect the speaker, or the volume being off	10:37
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savant42	hmm, murphy's law, the video has audio	10:37
savant42	and now the mp3s do	10:38
savant42	wth??	10:38
savant42	Frals Mece does it again!!!!	10:38
savant42	you must just be magic	10:38
mece	ah.. my magical presence is felt even over the interwebs :D	10:38
savant42	that's all I can attribute it to	10:38
mece	LOL	10:38
savant42	I won't question it	10:38
savant42	but if this problem persists when I wake up, Im going to lurk in this channel	10:39
savant42	maybe set up an irc bot, just in case	10:39
mece	hehee	10:39
savant42	so I can be near your aura	10:39
savant42	ok, well that's all I really have. What's your rootfs utilization looking like?	10:40
mece	hey ok what should the link be like for the bugtracker in packages when the tracker is in bugs.maemo.org? I mean to what page should I point the bugtracker?	10:40
savant42	Mine is at ~ 50%, I'd ;like it to be lower	10:40
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mece	savant42, yoy have 50% free rootfs?	10:40
savant42	no, 42	10:40
mece	s/yoy/you/	10:41
savant42	42% free	10:41
infobot	mece meant: savant42, you have 50% free rootfs?	10:41
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mece	savant42, that's about right.	10:41
savant42	ok, just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to fubar my fs by having too much stuff in there	10:41
savant42	I've now owned this phone for 30 hours or so and I'm pretty impressed	10:41
mece	savant42, if you're over 20Mb free I'd say it's fine.	10:42
savant42	ok, awesome	10:42
savant42	and with that, I'll stop hogging the chat buffer. Thanks for your time!	10:42
mece	savant42, unused space there is space used somewhere on a slower chip.	10:42
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timeless_mbp	mece: one sec	10:49
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timeless_mbp	mece: i'd suggest https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=prod:%22Advanced+Backlight%22	10:49
timeless_mbp	where Advanced+Backlight is your product	10:50
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mece	timeless_mbp, found this: https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=qlister	10:50
timeless_mbp	actually hold on	10:50
mece	is PySide in extras btw?	10:50
* timeless_mbp wonders if bugzilla is quasi stupid		10:50
mece	timeless_mbp, heee.	10:50
timeless_mbp	mece: so, ...	10:51
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timeless_mbp	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=MXR	10:51
timeless_mbp	oops	10:51
timeless_mbp	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=Webtools&component=MXR	10:52
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timeless_mbp	note how at the bottom of that page there's a link 'File a new bug in the "Webtools" product' ?	10:52
pupnik	my xterm suddenly switched to a non-console font	10:52
timeless_mbp	yeah, sorry, use buglist.cgi?product=<...>	10:52
pupnik	stuck that way :(	10:52
timeless_mbp	mece: in a newer version of bugzilla that will give you the 'File a new bug' link	10:53
timeless_mbp	whereas quicksearch isn't smart enough to do that :(	10:53
timeless_mbp	pupnik: what's a non console font?	10:53
pupnik	timeless_mbp: hope you at least are aware of my suggestion for a quick javascript activation via button/keycombo affecting one-page-only	10:54
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mece	timeless_mbp so it seems..	10:54
pupnik	looks like "sans" and it is being forced to monospace ..	10:54
timeless_mbp	mece: anyway, buglist.cgi?product= is the best choice	10:54
pupnik	Nokia Smiley	10:55
mece	timeless_mbp, selvä. Will do that then.	10:55
timeless_mbp	if your product is successful, you don't want people filing duplicates of already reported issues	10:55
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timeless_mbp	already/previously/	10:55
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mece	~seen Khertan	10:58
infobot	khertan is currently on #maemo (1d 4m 29s) #meego (1d 4m 29s). Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 17h 46m 30s, last said: 'hum ... back to sleep mode'.	10:58
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mece	Khertan, ping	10:58
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DocScrutinizer	back to sleepmode - nice suggestion	11:10
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mece	hehe.	11:12
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mece	anyone here have a good suggestion how to get finger scrolling inside a QPlainTextEdit?	11:13
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ZogG	mece awesome_finger_scrolling = true;	11:17
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mece	ZogG, apparently this doesn't work in pyside..	11:27
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ZogG	mece have you tried?	11:31
mece	ZogG, damn. found the prob. It only works in PyQt4 and not in PySide for some reason.	11:31
mece	this is how:	11:31
mece	scroller = self.editarea.property("kineticScroller").toPyObject()	11:31
mece	scroller.setEnabled(True)	11:31
Scelt	~seen ScriptFanix	11:31
infobot	scriptfanix is currently on #maemo (1d 22h 41m 4s). Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 1d 22h 8m 37s, last said: 'SpeedEvil: the SD is 1 week old'.	11:31
Scelt	lolts	11:32
Scelt	~seen Scelt	11:32
infobot	scelt is currently on #maemo (2d 9h 18m 26s). Has said a total of 21 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen Scelt'.	11:32
crashanddie	Scelt: that'll be enough, you can also PM the bot	11:32
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Scelt	crashanddie: the first was typo. don't get mad mister mister	11:33
crashanddie	Scelt: I don't care whether it's a typo or not, you're highlighting a lot of people on the channel for no reason. Thanks for stopping.	11:33
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Scelt	crashanddie: I only highlighted myself on purpose	11:34
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HtheB	o/	11:35
HtheB	does anyone know the command to get back to stock kernel	11:35
HtheB	i installed the enhanced kernel in the repos	11:36
woglinde	read the wiki	11:36
woglinde	there is all decscribed	11:36
HtheB	im on n900	11:36
* ScriptFanix open eyes, looks at Scelt, closes eyes		11:36
HtheB	2g :(	11:36
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HtheB	i know	11:36
HtheB	but my conn is slow	11:36
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ZogG	meego tablet is awesome	11:36
phellarv	HtheB: Under system there is a "Deinstall kernel-...."	11:36
HtheB	thats why i asked overhere	11:36
ZogG	Steve is pissed probably	11:37
HtheB	it keeps saying error restoring nokia kernel	11:37
HtheB	if i run the deinstall	11:37
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mece	hmm can one put full path in .desktop files?	11:38
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phellarv	HtheB: Instructions:	11:38
phellarv	sudo gainroot	11:38
phellarv	apt-get install --reinstall -y kernel kernel-flasher	11:38
phellarv	apt-get remove -y kernel-power kernel-power-modules	11:39
ZogG	~seen Mek	11:39
HtheB	thnx	11:39
infobot	mek is currently on #gsoc (5d 15h 47m 57s) #maemo (5d 15h 47m 57s) #meego (5d 15h 47m 57s), last said: 'any other tax forms is your own business'.	11:39
phellarv	3rd step you ONLY do if 2nd step is successful	11:39
HtheB	yeah :) for sure	11:39
HtheB	else i need to flash the kernel :p	11:39
phellarv	\o/	11:39
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HtheB	but im not at home lol	11:39
HtheB	found some aweful bug on the kernel app	11:40
HtheB	:/	11:40
HtheB	whenever i press the power button	11:40
HtheB	it stops my audio for 2secs	11:40
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timeless_mbp	"kernel app" ??	11:41
HtheB	the enhanced kernel	11:42
HtheB	it's in the repos	11:42
woglinde	hi timeless	11:42
HtheB	w8, rebooting	11:43
HtheB	ill tell if it worked :p	11:43
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timeless_mbp	hi	11:43
HtheB	remember the bug i whined yesterday?	11:43
HtheB	:p	11:43
HtheB	the sound bug when pressing power button	11:43
HtheB	found out it's the enhanced kernel that f*cks it up	11:43
HtheB	:(	11:43
HtheB	donno why :/	11:44
HtheB	anyway, brb	11:44
HtheB	(hopefully :D)	11:44
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HtheB	thanks again	11:48
HtheB	worked great	11:49
HtheB	though, now I don't have an overclocked device anymore =(	11:49
HtheB	ping ....	11:50
t-tan	HtheB: what sound bug?	11:50
woglinde	HtheB you cann't have pigs and cows together	11:50
woglinde	thats life	11:51
HtheB	heh	11:51
HtheB	t-tan	11:51
HtheB	I installed the enhanced kernel in the repos	11:51
HtheB	version 23	11:51
HtheB	worked great on my 1.1.1	11:51
t-tan	23=transition package to kernel-power v24	11:51
HtheB	but on 1.2 it stops (silences) the sound for 2-3 secs	11:51
t-tan	I'm running v37 with the PR1.2 patches	11:52
t-tan	no problem here (from extras-testing)	11:52
HtheB	huh	11:52
HtheB	:/	11:52
t-tan	should appear in extras in 3 days	11:52
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HtheB	i have extras dev and testing enabled	11:53
HtheB	cant see it over here	11:53
HtheB	weird :/	11:53
HtheB	let me see again	11:53
HtheB	damn.. I still have only 2g	11:53
woglinde	apt-get update	11:53
HtheB	would take a lot till the update has been made =(	11:53
HtheB	lol	11:53
woglinde	?????	11:54
t-tan	and even longer to download the 5mb of the kernel	11:54
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HtheB	:D	11:54
t-tan	v23 never made it to extras	11:54
HtheB	3,5G!	11:54
* HtheB quickly updates		11:55
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HtheB	ok	11:57
HtheB	power off and on again	11:57
HtheB	brb	11:57
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HtheB	argg	12:08
HtheB	same issue	12:08
HtheB	:(	12:08
HtheB	t-tan	12:08
HtheB	even with v37	12:08
HtheB	whenver I press power, it will silence the audio for 2-3 secs	12:08
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t-tan	I cannot reproduce it. what audio? mp3 player?	12:09
HtheB	yeah	12:09
HtheB	I made a video	12:10
mece	yay you	12:10
HtheB	yesterday night	12:10
HtheB	3gp quality :(	12:10
HtheB	since I only have my Nokia 6230	12:10
HtheB	let me check the link for u	12:10
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t-tan	not necessary. I can image how it mutes for a few seconds	12:11
t-tan	but I'd like to reproduce it	12:11
t-tan	it could be some widget you have installed	12:11
t-tan	esp. if you have -devel enabled	12:12
HtheB	www.htheb.com/Sound_Silence_Pressing_Power.3gp	12:12
HtheB	hmmm	12:12
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HtheB	i dont have alot of widgets tbh	12:12
HtheB	jo MohammedAG	12:12
HtheB	found the problem that causes the sound bug	12:12
HtheB	well.. partially	12:12
t-tan	morning MohammadAG	12:12
HtheB	very weird that I'm the only one	12:13
MohammadAG	hey HtheB	12:13
HtheB	that haves this prob	12:13
MohammadAG	morning t-tan, any progress?	12:13
t-tan	HtheB: sudden hearing loss? :)	12:13
MohammadAG	damn xchat	12:13
vldcnst	I was wondering, how big would a cable with an attached battery and a charging chip would be? Does something like this exist? For the USB OTG.	12:13
HtheB	t-tan, yeah	12:14
t-tan	MohammadAG: I posted everything in the thread	12:14
MohammadAG	t-tan, and I replied, you're slow :P	12:14
vldcnst	You could have something that draws 200mA and charges the battery or something	12:14
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MohammadAG	t-tan, another thing	12:15
MohammadAG	don't link to built kernels for the time	12:15
MohammadAG	it will cause us more problems with users asking why (when) it bricked their devices	12:15
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t-tan	MohammadAG: the first noob is already asking in the thread :)	12:15
HtheB	rofl	12:15
MohammadAG	t-tan, I know xD	12:16
HtheB	speaking of noobs	12:16
HtheB	where is noobmonk3y	12:16
HtheB	heh	12:16
t-tan	MohammadAG: it tried all timeouts for plugging in the device: 100ms down to 1ns :)	12:16
MohammadAG	he's away for a couple of days afaik	12:16
MohammadAG	t-tan, maybe your device has a defect then ;)	12:16
t-tan	MohammadAG: your device has a positive defect	12:17
MohammadAG	well that's something to be thankful for	12:17
HtheB	=(	12:17
t-tan	MohammadAG: it's very hospitable	12:17
HtheB	stupid power button	12:18
MohammadAG	blue_led was able to reproduce, I think it's YOUR device :P	12:18
MohammadAG	t-tan, HOSTpitable (see what I did there? :P)	12:18
t-tan	my device is a parasite :(	12:19
t-tan	MohammadAG: AFAIK he uses a self-powered hub?	12:20
HtheB	t-tan, how can I find out (a quicker way then deleting all my apps) what could cause my prob	12:20
MohammadAG	t-tan, who?	12:20
MohammadAG	oh, blue_led	12:20
MohammadAG	not sure, iirc nope, he didn't use it	12:20
MohammadAG	and DocScrutinizer postponed my execution :P	12:21
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HtheB	btw, seems that Nokia announced their first double sim phone	12:21
DocScrutinizer	there you are, lazy..	12:21
MohammadAG	IT'S ALIVE!	12:21
MohammadAG	:P	12:21
HtheB	and a bike charger, haha	12:21
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Ikarus	HtheB: oh ?	12:22
Ikarus	dual sim, why would they ?	12:23
jacekowski	i can't imagine real use case for dual sim phone	12:23
tekojo	HtheB: bike charger is a big thing	12:23
Ikarus	bike charger is useless	12:23
tekojo	India, China ...	12:23
t-tan	morning DocScrutinizer, do you want to act as a USB host?	12:23
tekojo	how many bikes, how many cars, how many electricity plugs	12:23
jacekowski	a lot	12:23
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DocScrutinizer	t-tan: err, of course.... not?	12:24
DocScrutinizer	moinmoin	12:24
HtheB	dual sim	12:24
t-tan	DocScrutinizer: or your device? mine seems to be not very hostpitable :(	12:24
HtheB	2 networks	12:25
HtheB	:p	12:25
HtheB	1 is hot swappable \o/	12:25
HtheB	conversations.nokia.com/2010/06/03/nokia-c1-unleashed-with-dual-sim-functionality-photo-gallery	12:25
t-tan	HtheB: so you play a regular mp3 file with media player, then you press the power button?	12:25
HtheB	t-tan: exactly	12:25
HtheB	even if my screen is locked	12:26
HtheB	as u could see in the vid	12:26
HtheB	if I click the dropdown many quickly away, itk continues again with the music	12:26
HtheB	many = menu	12:26
HtheB	itk = it	12:27
* HtheB is failing at typing		12:27
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: I did a first test yesterday	12:27
DocScrutinizer	with a hub	12:27
DocScrutinizer	same result as you	12:27
DocScrutinizer	blue_led has confirmed	12:27
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DocScrutinizer	see tmo	12:27
t-tan	DocScrutinizer: good, my device as broken as yours	12:27
DocScrutinizer	nah, that's a timing and peripheral issue	12:28
DocScrutinizer	as well as kernel absolutely not fixed yet	12:28
DocScrutinizer	still OTG crap	12:28
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DocScrutinizer	we need to force sw state engine into right mode	12:28
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, it's still an improvement	12:29
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, you couldn't reproduce? :S	12:29
DocScrutinizer	not in the one test I did so far	12:29
DocScrutinizer	I've sent you the pastebin URL of the rather verbose log	12:30
MohammadAG	<t-tan> morning DocScrutinizer, do you want to act as a USB host?	12:30
MohammadAG	http://xkcd.com/644/	12:30
DocScrutinizer	lol	12:30
DocScrutinizer	It's unclear whether that's a A or B or AB type	12:31
BCMM	curse my slow internet connect, that's the "usb port in arm" that i was gonna find and post, right?	12:31
t-tan	MohammadAG: :) Doc, do you have male or female implant?	12:31
woglinde	lol	12:31
DocScrutinizer	guess! :-P	12:31
* BCMM makes this on-topic by mentioning using mobilehotspot on an n900 to survive the past few days of very slow ADSL		12:31
HtheB	so...	12:33
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HtheB	what can I do t-tan :p	12:33
zomg	Is there an "idiot's guide to make your stuff work in maemo autobuilder" somewhere?	12:33
MohammadAG	get me a USB stinger	12:33
MohammadAG	zomg, wiki, it's called Uploading to Extras-devel afaik	12:34
zomg	yeah I read that :D	12:34
mece	halp! setAttribute(Qt.WA_Maemo5PortraitOrientation, True) doesn't do it for me with PyQt for some reason..	12:34
zomg	and my debian/rules etc. are all according to the wiki articles	12:34
zomg	but the build is still failing on the autobuild thing	12:35
t-tan	HtheB: do you have smartreflex enabled?	12:36
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HtheB	smart reflex?	12:37
t-tan	HtheB: did you overclock or change any of the power settings?	12:38
HtheB	yeah	12:39
HtheB	set it to 900mhz	12:39
t-tan	DocScrutinizer: when you mean blue_led has confirmed: do you mean exactly with MohammadAG's method?	12:39
HtheB	pmconfig	12:39
DocScrutinizer	sounds like. He's fuzzy and terse like always	12:39
MohammadAG	t-tan, accept the truth, your device is borked	12:40
t-tan	ah, never touch pmconfig! http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Upgrade_from_older_versions_.28.3C_maemo24.29	12:40
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HtheB	owh	12:40
t-tan	MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer's too :)	12:40
MohammadAG	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=697331#post697331	12:40
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: OC X-/ :-P	12:40
MohammadAG	t-tan, we already know he broke it	12:40
HtheB	t-tan	12:40
MohammadAG	can the N900 even shake a damn bed?	12:40
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MohammadAG	lol what was that ^ about	12:41
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pupnik	the best alarm sound is the "Low Battery" sound	12:41
HtheB	t-tan	12:41
HtheB	can you give the link again :)	12:41
HtheB	im on my laptop now	12:41
t-tan	HtheB: did you N900 just self-destruct?	12:42
pupnik	wakes me up every time	12:42
MohammadAG	for future reference	12:42
MohammadAG	http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog	12:42
HtheB	haha xD	12:42
HtheB	why self-destruct xD?	12:42
HtheB	thnx MohammadAG	12:42
t-tan	when you press the power-button too often...	12:42
MohammadAG	it locks the screen	12:43
MohammadAG	HA!	12:43
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, t-tan http://i49.tinypic.com/a2c5dd.jpg	12:43
HtheB	double press power button locks the screen	12:43
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: quoting /topic ? X-P	12:43
HtheB	1 thing t-tan	12:43
HtheB	when my screen rotates from landscape<->portrait mode	12:44
HtheB	it will also kill the sound for 2 secs	12:44
t-tan	MohammadAG: cool, now we have GUI, just need to get hostmode working :)	12:44
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, yep :D	12:44
MohammadAG	LOL t-tan it works for me	12:44
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: i have my beagleboard now	12:44
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: too late :-P Nah, highly welcome	12:44
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MohammadAG	Note to self, never mix GTK and Qt	12:45
MohammadAG	it won't end well	12:45
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: so you have working usb?	12:45
DocScrutinizer	honestly, that GUI is just a nicer QueenBeecon	12:45
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: i've noticed small problem with default latest angstrom kernel	12:45
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jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: it loads g_cdc by default, and unloading it and loading g_ether doesn't work	12:46
FIQ	hi	12:46
DocScrutinizer	:-S	12:46
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, don't know what that one is :)	12:46
FIQ	is there a front camera on N900?	12:46
jacekowski	well, it loads but nothing happens	12:46
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MohammadAG	yes	12:46
jacekowski	FIQ: yes	12:46
FIQ	and if yes, how to activate it?	12:46
MohammadAG	with magic	12:46
jacekowski	FIQ: there is no software for it	12:46
FIQ	in camera application i mean	12:46
MohammadAG	you can't	12:46
jacekowski	FIQ: you can't	12:46
FIQ	... >.>	12:46
FIQ	i need it. :D	12:46
t-tan	jacekowski: angstrom kernel?	12:46
MohammadAG	use HealthCheck, it can save an image from it	12:46
jacekowski	FIQ: only skype and jabber video calls use it at the moment	12:46
jacekowski	t-tan: beagle board distro	12:47
vldcnst	Mplayer too.	12:47
HtheB	Mirror	12:47
HtheB	:p	12:47
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: and mirror app, and obviously HC	12:47
t-tan	jacekowski: ok, offtopic. maybe my g_ether patch helps?	12:47
HtheB	the mirror app will give you a greenish screen though	12:47
HtheB	with PR1.2	12:47
jacekowski	t-tan: well, unloading g_cdc and loading it back doesn't work as well	12:48
HtheB	t-tan, is there some code added when u press the power button!? O_o	12:48
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DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: so you mean, basically hostmode is borked on bb?	12:48
jacekowski	it's not a host mode	12:49
HtheB	(sorry to keep you from other topics)	12:49
jacekowski	it's slave/client/whatever	12:49
jacekowski	over otg port	12:49
jacekowski	but it's probably kernel or maybe windows have some issues	12:49
t-tan	jacekowski: I see. then maybe this is unrelated https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=blob;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches/gethercharge.diff;h=6fae8d718a0f0dd0071bda2f50ec2810cb65c1b4;hb=HEAD	12:49
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MohammadAG	how the fsck does a pyQt app segfault	12:49
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DocScrutinizer	lol	12:50
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woglinde	MohammadAG haha	12:50
HtheB	wtf	12:50
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jacekowski	MohammadAG: python sucks	12:50
jacekowski	MohammadAG: simple	12:50
t-tan	HtheB: nothing. I haven't touched anything related to power keys	12:50
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Lynoure	MohammadAG: by it causing some of the non-python parts to segfault.	12:50
MohammadAG	Lynoure, no non-python parts used	12:51
t-tan	HtheB: I suspect it's some widget/menu item that interferes with pulseaudio	12:51
pigeon	is it possible to send sms via command line?	12:51
MohammadAG	unless Qt is actually C++ in python	12:51
Lynoure	MohammadAG: I'm not that familiar with PyQt... there is no actual Qt there, then?	12:51
HtheB	hmmm	12:51
HtheB	'll check it out again :)	12:51
HtheB	thnx again	12:51
MohammadAG	only	12:51
HtheB	brb	12:51
Lynoure	MohammadAG: it's Qt fully reimplemented in python?	12:51
MohammadAG	if __name__ == "__main__":	12:51
MohammadAG	app = QtGui.QApplication(sys.argv)	12:51
MohammadAG	MainWindow = QtGui.QMainWindow()	12:51
MohammadAG	ui = Ui_MainWindow()	12:51
MohammadAG	ui.setupUi(MainWindow)	12:51
MohammadAG	MainWindow.show()	12:51
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MohammadAG	sys.exit(app.exec_())	12:51
woglinde	~pastebin	12:51
SpeedEvil	pyqt has a shim binary layer doesn't it?	12:52
dneary	Are bugzilla & the wiki down?	12:52
infobot	[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.	12:52
MohammadAG	woglinde, it's just a few lines	12:52
t-tan	pyQt is a python wrapper for C++ Qt	12:52
Lynoure	t-tan: yes, that was my impression.	12:52
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t-tan	if possible, one should use pyside, anyway	12:53
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Lynoure	To me the "wtf" part was "what's surprising with segfaults being possible?" :)	12:56
MohammadAG	it's python	12:56
MohammadAG	t-tan, eww	12:56
MohammadAG	is there something similar to gtk.Dialog in Qt	12:57
t-tan	python has never segfaulted for me, it was always a broken external lib	12:58
Lynoure	MohammadAG: pyqt is python, but it uses qt, which is not python -> segfaults well possible if there is a bug in pyqt or in qt or some black magic in the air	12:59
dneary	Anyone able tp load bz or wiki pages?	13:00
joga	a friend of mine just got herself an n900 and can't install maep because of some 'incompatibility' thing? what could that mean?	13:00
joga	(I haven't seen the error myself)	13:00
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: so, how is your usb host going?	13:01
joga	it's updated to 1.2 and so on...probably with finnish language selected	13:01
MohammadAG	hmm, importing hildon also borks it	13:01
jacekowski	reboot	13:01
timeless_mbp	dneary: bugzilla was up earlier :)	13:02
Lynoure	black magic in the air = e.g. a memory corruption for one reason or another	13:02
dneary	timeless_mbp, So was the wiki (depending how much earlier, of course)	13:03
dneary	Both time out for me now though	13:03
dneary	Ah - could be my ssh tunnel & socks proxy	13:03
MohammadAG	jacekowski, doesn't help	13:03
timeless_mbp	wfm	13:03
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: MohammadAG used sarahn's kernel patches based partly on my sugestions, and his own patches also based partly on my suggestions, and put genuine hostmode to work - though it's just a POC for now	13:03
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, it's all based on your suggestions lol	13:04
t-tan	MohammadAG: Qt is not supported on devices that support USB hostmade :)	13:04
MohammadAG	makes sense	13:04
* MohammadAG shuts down the GUI department		13:04
timeless_mbp	oh wow	13:05
timeless_mbp	OWA has a "map this address" feature	13:05
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jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: any more details,?	13:07
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: and what about BME?	13:07
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG, t-tan: the funny thing is, my phone seems to work great with the 1.2 based kernel on a 1.1.1 system :-)	13:07
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: read the tmo thread	13:07
jacekowski	link?	13:08
t-tan	DocScrutinizer: no surpise, the changes are neglible http://maemory.com/N900/kernel/nokia-20101501%2b0m5.diff	13:08
DocScrutinizer	bme has been shot by noon	13:08
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31921&page=102	13:09
jacekowski	thx	13:09
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jacekowski	[2010-06-02 18:26:41] <MohammadAG> no external power?	13:11
jacekowski	so that means n900 is supplying usb device?	13:11
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DocScrutinizer	t-tan: I'll go over the whole 'echo foo >bar' shit today, will decode devcon for each one, and check what's going right or wrong and why. Guess we'll find a way to make the whole thing more reliable	13:11
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: keep in mind that's been a first rather blind shot by MohammadAG	13:11
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t-tan	MohammadAG: did you use an unmodified, standard F-F adapter?	13:12
DocScrutinizer	yep	13:13
DocScrutinizer	he wouldn't even know how to mod it ;-P	13:13
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t-tan	maybe it's prepared. who uses F-F anyway?	13:14
MohammadAG	<DocScrutinizer> he wouldn't even know how to mod it ;-P fu :P	13:14
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: there also might be quite some issues still with LS/FS/HS detection ans switching	13:14
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DocScrutinizer	t-tan: so if e.g. you memstick wants to negotiate highest possible speed, and that fails as it's not even implemented yet, this would explain a lot	13:15
t-tan	after echo F, MohammadAG stays in 83 for about 5 secs, mine doesnt	13:16
dneary	andre__, ping?	13:16
MohammadAG	t-tan, less after the reboot	13:16
dneary	andre__, When I change the product of a bug in Bugzilla, the component list doesn't update - known issue?	13:16
MohammadAG	it stays about 1-3 seconds	13:16
t-tan	DocScrutinizer: I tried with stick, SD reader and keyboard	13:16
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t-tan	DocScrutinizer: my keyboard is definitely not HS	13:16
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: that's weird. We need to check this with finer granularity, and decode the devcon states and try figure out what's going on	13:16
jacekowski	MohammadAG: n900 can provide 5V@200mA over usb port?	13:17
andre__	dneary, exact steps? and probably not a bug?	13:17
SpeedEvil	jacekowski: yes	13:17
MohammadAG	jacekowski, yes, refer to DocScrutinizer for more details :)	13:17
SpeedEvil	jacekowski: The battery charger chip has it as a feature	13:17
jacekowski	for how long?	13:17
MohammadAG	infinite afaik	13:17
SpeedEvil	jacekowski: Till the battery runs out	13:17
MohammadAG	unless you meant battery life	13:17
MohammadAG	^	13:17
jacekowski	MohammadAG: that's what i meant	13:17
t-tan	DocScrutinizer: and MohammadAG's switches to mode=Host earlier, while mine stays in peripheral	13:17
SpeedEvil	USB uses about as much as active 3g	13:17
SpeedEvil	It's about 1/4 of battery life an hour	13:18
MohammadAG	a_host	13:18
dneary	andre__, Bug #10513 was the one I was trying to change	13:18
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10513 Deprecated HildonFontSelectionDialog used in maemo-examples	13:18
t-tan	MohammadAG: first line of musb_hdrc	13:18
dneary	It was reported against Code examples-> MaemoExamples (or whatever)	13:18
andre__	dneary, steps please.	13:18
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DocScrutinizer	t-tan: definitely weird, as you both used same kernel and modules	13:19
dneary	andre__, After changing the product, I was expecting the component list to update, but it doesn't. When I submit the bug (change product & mark as NEW) I then get prompted to choose the component	13:19
t-tan	DocScrutinizer: I also tried connecting immediately after the script or stopping bme	13:19
andre__	dneary, same in every other bugzilla out there :)	13:19
andre__	see gnome bugzilla 3.4 for example.	13:19
dneary	andre__, The issue is that there are a number of promising products, and I have no idea which one contains the component of interest	13:20
andre__	feel free to file an upstream bug if it does not exist yet.	13:20
t-tan	MohammadAG: does it work, if you plugin the device before starting the script?	13:20
dneary	andre__, In GNOME Bugzilla, if it's a panel bug the product is "panel", not "Desktop platform" :)	13:20
MohammadAG	t-tan, no	13:20
dneary	So it's more a question of categorisation than anything else	13:20
andre__	dneary, how is that related to your original problem?	13:20
dneary	Where should I report a bug against Hildon?	13:20
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: USB boost mode delivers 1W. multiplied by a guessed factor of 1/0.8 for 80% efficiency that's 1.2W drawn from battery - on maximum load	13:21
t-tan	MohammadAG: or after the script, but before stopping bme?	13:21
andre__	dneary, what is "hildon"? definitely under Desktop Platform	13:21
dneary	andre__, My original problem was how to reassign a bug to the right place	13:21
MohammadAG	t-tan, no	13:21
MohammadAG	t-tan, it's still a crippled host mode, but it's an advance over the "Impossible" bit	13:21
andre__	dneary, change product, choose "Reassign to default", cliuck "Submit", in next dialog choose Version and Component, done	13:21
dneary	Changing the product & expecting to be able to see the component list was my way of trying to do that (and it was not an appropriate method) - so I had to guess a product & hope I was in the right place	13:21
andre__	as said: does not exist - feel free to file upstream bug.	13:22
dneary	andre__, OK - then I incorrectly changed the product to developer platform	13:22
t-tan	MohammadAG: hmm, not very convenient. why a GUI it the user has only 1sec to connect after pressing the button?	13:22
jacekowski	hmm, i have to make a usb cable	13:22
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: that's been my question as well. And the "no" is also a weird bit yet to investigate	13:22
MohammadAG	t-tan, I never released the GUI	13:22
dneary	andre__, I feel like you're getting annoyed or something	13:22
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, I leave investigations for you :)	13:23
dneary	andre__, Just to repeat - this is indeed not a bug	13:23
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andre__	dneary, hehe, not really... probably more like general mood currently :)	13:23
dneary	andre__, The bug, if there is one, is with Maemo bugzilla - it's really hard to know where to report bugs because there are so many products :)	13:23
andre__	the usual problem with organically grown structures... I cleaned up a bit 18 months ago, also with splitting into platform and desktop	13:24
andre__	if you have specific requests / improvements they are welcome	13:24
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dneary	andre__, Could you have a glance at the bug & suggest a compoennt for me, please? hildon-widgets doesn't sound right	13:24
andre__	however the current classifications were meant to be a compromise between users looking for the right place, and developer teams	13:24
andre__	dneary, I don't know how maintains maemo-examples. why did you move it at all?	13:25
andre__	s/how/who	13:25
dneary	andre__, The reason is in the comments. The old widget is deprecated, the bug reporter says we shouldn't be using deprecated widgets in code samples, but there is no inkling in the API docs of what a developer should move to from the deprecated widget - and GtkFontSelectionDialog is clearly not correct	13:26
dneary	So it's up to the maintainers of Hildon widgets, when marking widgets as deprecated, to say what replaces them	13:27
dneary	I could ask on a mailing list, I suppose...	13:27
dneary	But then what good is Bugzilla? :)	13:27
andre__	dneary: seems to me that the report should have remained where it was (maemo-examples) and instead a new bug blocking it should be create against hildon-widgets that its docu is outdated.	13:29
dneary	andre__, Perhaps	13:29
andre__	the report deals with two completely different issues now.	13:29
dneary	That would have been a valid approach	13:29
andre__	unsolvable now as it would require two different teams to fix the two issues.	13:29
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dneary	andre__, After all that, I found some docs in the Maemo 5 release notes	13:34
dneary	Will propose a patch for API docs & code sample.	13:35
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andre__	ah, okay	13:35
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BCMM	why is stuff all very green-tinted in Mirror, but make a skype video call to another n900 shows proper colour from the front cam?	14:30
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X-Fade	BCMM: Software filter?	14:30
X-Fade	Mirror probably shows the raw non-processed feed.	14:31
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BCMM	mplayer also shows it green-tinted	14:32
MohammadAG	<HtheB> speaking of noobs	14:32
MohammadAG	<HtheB> where is noobmonk3y	14:32
MohammadAG	back to lurking	14:32
* noobmonk3y is working very very very hard i'll have you know!		14:32
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BCMM	is there a program other than video calls that shows the front cam image properly?	14:32
noobmonk3y	healthcheck will show an image, but not the cam - mirror should though	14:33
frals	http://www.din-it-kunskap.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/webbl%C3%A4sare-kvinnor.png heh	14:33
noobmonk3y	allthough i think it may be flipped	14:33
MohammadAG	qwerty12 rocks!	14:33
SpeedEvil	Also - mplayer	14:33
noobmonk3y	MohammadAG: tis true	14:33
SpeedEvil	mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0	14:34
SpeedEvil	or something	14:34
frals	MohammadAG: what he do now?	14:34
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MohammadAG	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43395	14:34
noobmonk3y	lol frals	14:34
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noobmonk3y	tekojo: the yoyo ;) hehe	14:36
tekojo	noobmonk3y: moving from my desk to a meeting room :)	14:36
noobmonk3y	lol :P	14:36
noobmonk3y	hmmm which irc channel is most likely going to be able to help with why qt multimedia - defaultInputDevice doesnt work on the N900 (Python stylee)	14:37
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tekojo	#qt-maemo ?	14:37
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* noobmonk3y has hit more dead ends then.... erm... something with a lot of dead ends		14:37
noobmonk3y	ty tekojo	14:38
frals	noobmonk3y: #trouts-r-us	14:38
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noobmonk3y	frals: #trouts-r-us ..... really? can a trout use a phone?!	14:39
* noobmonk3y apologises... phon'pooooter		14:39
frals	:D	14:39
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* Arkenoi browsed gconf to find out what is possibly wrong with my volume keys and found nothing suspicious. any ideas how to diagnose the problem? after pr1.2 fiasco flash i lost volume control function via hardware keys totally, they work as zoom/unzoon in all applications that do support zooming		14:41
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frals	uh.. working as intended? as long as they control volume in media player etc	14:42
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Arkenoi	frals, they do not	14:43
Arkenoi	they do nothing if an application does not support zooming	14:43
frals	weird o-O	14:43
Arkenoi	really	14:43
Arkenoi	scroll function in fbreader is not affected	14:44
Arkenoi	otherwise it would be way too annoying	14:45
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Arkenoi	but it still sucks to change volume with touchscreen	14:45
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noobmonk3y	after all that QTmultimedia may be a dead end lol......	14:46
noobmonk3y	now whats this qtmobility malarky all about :P	14:46
SpeedEvil	Arkenoi: See post of anidel@gmail.com to maemo-developers Zoom Keys when screen's locked	14:47
frals	btw, anyone know if any of the maemo maps apps can be launched via dbus pointing to a specific location?	14:47
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Arkenoi	SpeedEvil, does not seem very helpful. i will probably will a bug.	14:52
Arkenoi	but i already expect what response would be: "reflash eMMC and restore your data"	14:52
alterego	frals: I might be wrong, but I think I remember hearing that if a contact has a geo-location associated with it, it launches "Ovi" maps?	14:52
alterego	frals: might be worth a try.	14:53
Arkenoi	fill a bug even	14:53
phellarv	frals: Would be nice if it could - I have an app which turns on GPS, and find the nearest Bus/Sub/Train-stop, and feeds me realtime data on what leaves when from that stop. Would be really nice to have a "Locate this stop" in that app	14:53
frals	alterego: thanks, will look in to it :)	14:53
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alterego	frals: np	14:53
alterego	Well, I've had a mamoth refactoring session in a cafe this morning.	14:54
frals	trying to get fmms to play nice with mms's sent from s60 ovi maps which links to a location.. or rather, investigating if its worth spending time on :P	14:54
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alterego	Abstract all the generic code from my "Media IM Status Updater" into a few classes like "MediaMonitor" and "TelepathyMonitor" :)	14:54
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alterego	Though, right now I can't think of any app that is going to use these, I'm sure I'll find a use for them in the future.	14:54
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alterego	I also added a few new features, so now, if you configure an IM account half way through a song it'll update the presence status message straight away, as well as if an account connects mid track that has been configured it'll update straight away, where as before you had to wait for the track to change.	14:56
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Shapeshifter	alterego: that sounds interesting. is it in extras-devel or somewhere?	14:56
alterego	So, I've created it as a settings/"Control Panel" plugin, now I just need to create a pretty icon and debianize it.	14:56
Shapeshifter	alterego: and does it work together with the "show my location" function?	14:56
Shapeshifter	as in, <songname> @ <location>?	14:57
alterego	Shapeshifter: not yet, hopefully by this evening or tomorrow morning, depending on what I get up to today.	14:57
Shapeshifter	nice	14:57
alterego	Shapeshifter: no, not tested with "show my location" :)	14:57
alterego	I imagine it wont work with it tbh.	14:57
SpeedEvil	It should listen to the accellerometer too, and add (dancing)	14:57
Shapeshifter	it probably overwrites the state.	14:58
alterego	Hahah	14:58
alterego	It does,	14:58
Shapeshifter	alterego: just read out the current state, prepend the songname ?	14:58
alterego	I was planning on adding geolocation to it btw :) So in future it'll just be a case of turning of the inbuilt geolocation and setting it up in my status updater.	14:58
Shapeshifter	or rather, remove everything to the @, then prepend	14:58
alterego	http://alterego.metapath.org/images/screenshots/Screenshot-20100602-132604.png	14:58
Shapeshifter	oh well	14:58
alterego	I'll add a %g for location or something in the future.	14:59
Shapeshifter	cool	14:59
Shapeshifter	I like it	14:59
Shapeshifter	:D	14:59
Shapeshifter	alterego: uhm what kind of checkbox widget is that >.>	14:59
alterego	And before you ask, Python + PySide :P	14:59
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Shapeshifter	but it's not a QCheckbox is it	14:59
alterego	It's just a Checkbox, it's the theming that makes it look like that I believe.	14:59
Shapeshifter	ah	14:59
alterego	Carbon theme	14:59
Shapeshifter	nice	15:00
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, invite me please	15:00
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Shapeshifter	alterego: is it a daemon?	15:00
Shapeshifter	as in, does it always need to run or can you hook on a trigger of song changing?	15:01
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alterego	Shapeshifter: it's a daemon, run by upstart and a cp plugin	15:01
phellarv	Is it possible to set HAM to _never_ do an automatic check for new versions?	15:01
frals	alterego; is the cp plugin in python as well?	15:02
alterego	frals: indeed, wrapped in a C library	15:02
Shapeshifter	phellarv: If I'm not mistaken you can remove the event from the alarmd queue. Not sure if that will be restored or if it will cause breakage. also, maybe there's an option somwhere...	15:02
alterego	frals: I'm going to make the C python loader generic so you have a config option in your .desktop file to point at the specific python script.	15:03
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frals	alterego: cool, got the code somewhere? not found anyone adding a python app as cp plugin yet :)	15:03
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alterego	frals: not yet, you'll have to wait :P	15:03
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phellarv	Shapeshifter: M'Kay - Have to look for it then. I prefer to do my updates and check for updates in a controlled environment.	15:04
alterego	frals: but I'll point you to it as soon as it's up.	15:04
frals	cheers	15:04
frals	have been meaning to make fapn a cp applet but not had the time to look into how to do it properly	15:04
alterego	Well, I can't promise that this is "properly" ;)	15:05
alterego	If it works, I'm happy :D	15:05
GAN900	Ugh	15:05
frals	s/properly/good enough/	15:05
infobot	frals meant: have been meaning to make fapn a cp applet but not had the time to look into how to do it good enough	15:05
frals	;)	15:05
GAN900	Reboot when removing charger	15:05
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phellarv	GAN900: Defect Battery?	15:07
alterego	Anyhow, I've got some things to do.	15:08
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phellarv	A Solar Charger with 1100 mAh LiPo battery in - Should keep me going for a couple of hours, am I right?	15:12
MohammadAG	what's the pipe key called?	15:12
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phellarv	MohammadAG: pipe?	15:12
phellarv	;-P	15:12
MohammadAG	doubt that lol	15:13
MohammadAG	i want to map it to the xterm UI buttons	15:13
Macer	hash checking takes forever	15:14
Macer	ugh	15:14
l0up	MohammadAG: wiki says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar	15:14
frals	MohammadAG: bar	15:15
frals	MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=386724&postcount=8	15:15
Macer	haha	15:15
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Macer	\| ?	15:15
Macer	i always thought that was a pipe	15:15
phellarv	Drink@\|	15:15
Macer	heh	15:15
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phellarv	MohammadAG: http://www.hello-world.com/computer_science/windows/keyboard.php	15:16
l0up	drink@work atm, would like bar or terrace more	15:16
Macer	must be an american/euro thing.. like lie-knicks vs lee-nux	15:16
frals	Macer; fwiw i say pipe as well, never heard anyone calling it bar until i saw that post	15:17
Macer	heh	15:18
jaska	"bar" is the key name for pipe	15:18
Macer	jaska: you are going to hell for saying that	15:19
jaska	macer: why?	15:19
Macer	because perverts go to hell	15:19
jaska	ah doh, frals did it too.. its not my term for it, i call it pipe myself	15:19
jaska	macer, problem is, i cannot go to an imaginary location.	15:20
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Macer	oh just drag people down with you huh?	15:20
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Macer	tattle	15:20
ZeNz0r	hi everyone!	15:20
Macer	:)	15:20
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ZeNz0r	is anyone around willing to give pointers to a n00b that isnt getting the pr1.2 OTA upgrade on n900?	15:21
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Macer	omg. it is 58Â°	15:23
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Macer	F	15:23
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merlin1991	ZeNz0r I guess you would get this link: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware	15:24
jaska	lies, its 15.8C	15:24
Macer	IT IS JUNE... I am starting to suspect global "warming" is hitting chicago	15:25
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ZeNz0r	thks... i'll check it out and see if i'v done it	15:25
ZeNz0r	i'v read plenty but with no results	15:25
ZeNz0r	brb and thks for the link	15:25
Macer	i mean dont get me wrong. i would rather freeze than sweat to death	15:25
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Macer	but still.. maybe forca is messed up	15:26
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Macer	hm	15:28
Macer	zimbra server seems broken	15:28
ZeNz0r	merlin1991 i'v already read that thread... i dlded the RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin but since im on win7 it didnt start, so im waiting till tomorrow to get on a XPbased PC and try that out again... but if i could manage OTA well it'd be done with	15:28
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wall[e]	hi, is there a way to rotate default display by 180 degree?	15:30
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ZeNz0r	i managed to peek into a file that lists ssu links... etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list and verified that my ssu code isnt "mr0" or "203" it reads "204" and im guessing correcting that would enable the OTA update... is that wrong?	15:31
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ZeNz0r	the thing is i dont know how to open the file cause im a linux n00b...	15:31
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phellarv	ZeNz0r: Get vim - edit file - win	15:32
ZeNz0r	i just copied it into an accessible folder and read it on a PC... tried replacing it but it says i dont have permission even with "sudo gainroot"	15:32
ZeNz0r	sry phellarv i dont know what u mean by that... is that xterminal code or an app?	15:33
BCMM_	vim - win	15:33
phellarv	vim is an editor which you can use in the X-Terminal	15:33
ShadowJK	it's not beginner friendly	15:34
BCMM_	yeah, is there nano? nano is good for beginners	15:34
phellarv	ShadowJK: It is - It's just picky on which users to be friendly with.	15:34
ShadowJK	and I don't think changing 204 will enable ota update	15:34
ZeNz0r	so i get to the folder and type "vim - filename - win"?	15:34
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Khertan_	Hello !	15:35
ShadowJK	I said not beginner friendly, I did not claim it's user unfriendly ;)	15:35
phellarv	ShadowJK: Always been friendly to me...	15:35
ZeNz0r	ok shadowjk... if it wont enable the OTA update then i might just flash	15:35
ShadowJK	I think the easiest way to change from vodafone crippled variants and similar is to backup, reflash and restore..	15:36
phellarv	ZeNz0r: Do the flash - much easier.	15:36
phellarv	And safer	15:36
ZeNz0r	i mean i went through all the other tips and no luck	15:36
ZeNz0r	this was the one i wasnt able to complete	15:36
bbg	Hello, Does anybody know how to do modal dialog in Maemo by QT, i make by exec(), but it is not work?	15:36
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ZeNz0r	could u just verify if this is the right image... RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	15:36
ShadowJK	there have been other people with 204 saying they can't upgrade, so I guess that means there's no upgrade for 204 yet	15:36
GeneralAntilles	How obnoxious	15:37
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ZeNz0r	im in portugal btw so i guess its the global update	15:37
GeneralAntilles	A bunch of the device queue people just linked to their blogs.	15:37
Khertan_	I ve strange result while using a QAbstractKineticScroller with a QPlainTextEdit ... It s scroll really too fast, and the QPlainTextEdit doesn't stay in the windows frame after some scroll ... start at 50pixel left before the windows	15:37
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ZeNz0r	im in portugal but use english as main language since i rather find answers in google then typing in portuguese and not getting anything at all	15:38
KevinM2k	Whats the best widget to use to display resuls? Im using QListWidget at minute, is there better ones?	15:38
ZeNz0r	so i wouldnt mind getting the UK update	15:38
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marmoute	ZeNz0r: The UK update is the update for people using they phone inside the UK	15:39
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ZeNz0r	ok, so its location specific and not only language oriented?	15:39
ShadowJK	I've heard the differences are pretty small	15:40
X-Fade	MohammadAG: ping?	15:40
MohammadAG	pong	15:40
ZeNz0r	when i checked the image dld site there wasnt anything mentioning 204... do u know what thats for... or what it means?	15:40
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X-Fade	MohammadAG: Should packages like this depend on -dev packages?	15:41
X-Fade	MohammadAG: Or only build-depend? :)	15:41
MohammadAG	which ones?	15:41
* MohammadAG scrolls up		15:42
X-Fade	MohammadAG: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libavahi-glib-dev/0.6.24-0maemo2/	15:42
X-Fade	Sorry, forgot to paste ;)	15:42
MohammadAG	X-Fade, not sure, i only removed upstart-job from the package	15:43
MohammadAG	technically, i'm not the maintainer :)	15:43
Lynoure	Who can I ask about the rules of http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Coding_Competition_1 ?	15:43
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X-Fade	MohammadAG: Yeah, I am wondering what to do with packages like this.	15:43
Lynoure	There are some things that are not quite clear...	15:43
X-Fade	MohammadAG: As -dev packages are only available in sdk repos.	15:44
MohammadAG	X-Fade, fireplace	15:44
MohammadAG	do other packages depend on it?	15:44
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GeneralAntilles	luke-jr, ping?	15:45
X-Fade	MohammadAG: Build-depends at least.	15:45
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MohammadAG	X-Fade, so it won't be installed on a device	15:46
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X-Fade	MohammadAG: Can't be at least.	15:46
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hmiltn5	so ... I run debian and I can build from source... all I would need to do is compile as ARM and im good to go with maemo?	15:47
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hmiltn5	the whole SDK stuff is confusing me	15:47
X-Fade	MohammadAG: Trying to get the repos in a consistent state, so I can rebuild the whole repo on OBS :)	15:48
MohammadAG	hmm	15:48
X-Fade	MohammadAG: But currently a lot of build-depends stay in -devel. So rebuilding -testing for instance, is a pain.	15:48
MohammadAG	clone it?	15:48
GeneralAntilles	LaunchPad is officially useless.	15:48
MohammadAG	clone it and remove the packages which cause problems	15:49
MohammadAG	low battery	15:49
X-Fade	That will be a lot ;)	15:49
X-Fade	But I'll try another approach.	15:49
MohammadAG	symlink it :)	15:49
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wall[e]	i'm extremely busy and really code a lot on n900 these days when outside with hwkb	15:50
ShadowJK	hmiltn5, the sdk is more like this weird vm / cpu emulator thing..	15:51
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: ask X-Fade about the tools	15:51
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hmiltn5	ok so then simply just compile in arm arch ?	15:52
MohammadAG	X-Fade, we'll need to upload i2c-tools for hostmode, is it allowed?	15:52
MohammadAG	non user section	15:52
ShadowJK	inside the sdk, sure..	15:52
DocScrutinizer	:-P	15:52
X-Fade	MohammadAG: Is that a free package?	15:52
jacekowski	MohammadAG: can't you do i2c inside of kernel?	15:52
MohammadAG	X-Fade, yes, but if misused it'll brick a device (HW brick)	15:53
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: sure we can	15:53
GeneralAntilles	luke-jr, just using the address you provided Freenode, then.	15:53
MohammadAG	jacekowski, I can, but that means binaries in the source	15:53
t-tan	extract the relevant i2c to an independent apps	15:53
X-Fade	MohammadAG: Fork it and only leave the safe things in?	15:53
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: ??	15:53
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jacekowski	MohammadAG: well, cat /dev/zero > /dev/mtd will brick it as well	15:53
MohammadAG	X-Fade, all binaries are unsafe	15:53
DocScrutinizer	X-Fade: not possible	15:53
MohammadAG	jacekowski, not a hardware brick	15:53
ShadowJK	jacekowski, i2c-tools provides access to the kernel's read and write i2c functions	15:54
Macer	wtf	15:54
MohammadAG	that bricks the bootloader	15:54
Macer	it just.. died?	15:54
MohammadAG	i2c can kill the whole mobo	15:54
Macer	that is crap. it is probably hinet	15:54
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t-tan	DocScrutinizer: we only need to commands: VBUS up and keep alive	15:54
Macer	damn asians	15:54
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: MohammadAG: nulling NOLO also will hw-brick	15:54
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, a serial flash would work	15:54
MohammadAG	or a jtag, if that exists	15:54
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DocScrutinizer	t-tan: I'm aware of that, though it holds true for now only	15:55
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: right	15:55
t-tan	DocScrutinizer: you could add more later	15:55
ShadowJK	You could modify i2c-tools to only allow read and writes to bq24500	15:55
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, i2c is unrecoverable	15:55
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MohammadAG	at least not with a "light" swap	15:55
MohammadAG	as referred to in the service manuals	15:55
MohammadAG	it's a mid-level brick	15:55
MohammadAG	i2c is a full brick	15:55
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: that's much too technical, and doesn't matter here	15:56
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DocScrutinizer	fact is we got /dev/i2c-2 and reading/writing to it may brick subsystems like BT, WLAN, etc	15:56
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, the package itself and our use of it is harmless	15:56
jacekowski	the thing is that anything abused will brick device	15:56
MohammadAG	yep	15:57
jacekowski	there is so many other ways to brick it	15:57
jacekowski	so why do you care about stopping one way of bricking it?	15:57
DocScrutinizer	we got a tool that allows reading/writing these dev-nodes in a sane way, and also comes with a proper warning and howto	15:57
MohammadAG	not a full mobo brick :)	15:57
jacekowski	MohammadAG: cat /dev/zero > /dev/mtd will wipe everything	15:57
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: exactly	15:57
BCMM	what is /dev/mtd	15:58
MohammadAG	jacekowski, read, not a full mobo brick	15:58
BCMM	?	15:58
woglinde	BCMM dont ask	15:58
MohammadAG	/dev/mtd0 actually	15:58
jacekowski	MohammadAG: it's full mobo brick	15:58
DocScrutinizer	you could echo something into /dev/I2C-2 and that would have same effect	15:58
MohammadAG	jacekowski, a serial flash fixes it	15:58
jacekowski	yeah	15:58
MohammadAG	i2c bricks can't be fied	15:58
jacekowski	jtag can fix everything	15:59
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: don't pretend you know what you're talking about ;-P	15:59
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, I can differentiate between brick levels	15:59
DocScrutinizer	;-D	15:59
jacekowski	anything that requires more than usb cable is brick that user can't recover from	16:00
ShadowJK	I'd feel safer with i2c-tools than in-kernel though... I don't trust you lot to write kernel code ;D	16:00
DocScrutinizer	well, all you could do (and it's not yet clear if that applies to N900 at all) is destroying your firmware in one of the subsystems attached thru I2C bus	16:00
DocScrutinizer	like BT, WLAN...	16:00
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: ack	16:01
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: exactly. From this POV there's quite little to no diff between a NOLO brick and a BT brick	16:02
ShadowJK	I'm thinking it should be fairly simple to modify the relevant utilities in i2c-tools to only allow access to bus+address we know of	16:02
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: it is	16:02
DocScrutinizer	but why should we do that?	16:02
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jacekowski	just create tool that's based on i2ctools	16:03
jacekowski	and can do one thing	16:03
DocScrutinizer	to save user from typing some weird i2cset comand while sleepwalking?	16:03
jacekowski	or don't do it at all	16:03
ShadowJK	user shouldn't be typing i2cset commands :)	16:03
DocScrutinizer	exactly	16:03
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mikki-kun	hm, can anybody tell me how i can enable 250MhZ when using titan's ideal settings per default?	16:04
phellarv	Is 650mA-750mA ok for charging the N900?	16:05
jacekowski	500mA is ok	16:05
jacekowski	or less	16:05
jacekowski	or more	16:05
ShadowJK	I think the minimum is 100mA	16:05
mikki-kun	phellarv: should be, usb gives only 500 max	16:05
jacekowski	usb charger gives something like 1.2A max	16:05
jacekowski	so 100mA to 1200mA	16:05
DocScrutinizer	see, what's with OC kernel. MUCH easier to do harm to N900 hardware this way, more harm, and more known to work way to kill the device	16:05
jacekowski	ShadowJK: can you charge it from 100mA?	16:06
jacekowski	ShadowJK: or it will consume it faster than it charges?	16:06
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DocScrutinizer	phellarv: nope, your charger should at least support 1000mA	16:06
mikki-kun	DocScrutinizer: i wasn't into OCing per default, just using lower power...	16:06
t-tan	DocScrutinizer: no evidence so far	16:07
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phellarv	I'm wondering about buyin a Solar Charger - 1100mAh LiPo battery - Charging at 5,3V 650mA-750mA.	16:07
jacekowski	phellarv: it's enough	16:07
DocScrutinizer	sure, TI gave us the evidence in their datasheets	16:07
t-tan	DocScrutinizer: no, only for overvoltage	16:07
ShadowJK	jacekowski, depends on what you do :)	16:07
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: for I2Cset there's no evidence it actually could brick anything at all n N900, so far	16:08
jacekowski	hmmm,	16:08
jacekowski	we could try that	16:08
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ShadowJK	jacekowski, obviously you don't need much to consume more than 100mA.. if your battery normally lasts 10 hours or less the phone would be eating more than 100mA :)	16:08
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jacekowski	btw. i saw 10m ethernet cable for £50 yesterday	16:09
jacekowski	just right next to USB cable for £25	16:10
* DocScrutinizer wnders how jacekowski wants to set N900 to 100mA charge mode, without messing around with bme and jrbme		16:10
BCMM	gold-plated connectors?	16:10
jacekowski	BCMM: no	16:10
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BCMM	i have seen special "AV" USB cables with prices like that	16:10
BCMM	(it's funny cause gold plating costs approximately nothing)	16:10
jacekowski	just cheap belkin cables	16:10
jacekowski	"cheap"	16:11
jacekowski	hdmi cable for £40 ( gold plated )	16:11
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BCMM	there was some "high end" AV company that made digital stuff connected with rj-45 stuff (almost certainly basically cat-5)	16:11
BCMM	and they made their won cables for it at great expense	16:12
BCMM	with arrows on them telling you which way 'round they go	16:12
BCMM	real enthusiasts would be able to hear the loss of quality from connecting an ethernet cable backwards, you see	16:12
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BCMM	actually, was it PC world? i recall all their USB cables being about £25	16:14
jacekowski	http://audio.x.pl/audio/audiovoodoo/shakti.htm	16:14
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jacekowski	BCMM: yes it was pc world	16:14
BCMM	(apart from the ones that came with something that cost less than £25...)	16:14
BCMM	http://www.usa.denon.com/productdetails/3429.asp - $500 cat5	16:14
jacekowski	BCMM: but currys and staples had similiar prices	16:14
jacekowski	well, i ended up buying USB hub for £7	16:14
BCMM	heh, i got a usb hub from pound[world\|land] last year	16:15
BCMM	it actually worked, sorta	16:15
DocScrutinizer	hahahaha	16:15
BCMM	didn't get on too well with my keyboard for some reason	16:15
BCMM	DocScrutinizer: @what?	16:16
jacekowski	£1 usb hub?	16:16
jacekowski	that's really cheap	16:16
BCMM	jacekowski: yeah	16:16
jacekowski	i wouldn't expect that manufacturing + shipping from china is that cheap	16:16
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BCMM	nearly all poundland's USB stuff is made by teh same company, who's name i forget	16:16
BCMM	jacekowski: well, they are pretty low quality	16:16
jacekowski	well, shipping costs	16:16
jacekowski	and that's independent on quality	16:17
DocScrutinizer	goldplated OFC powercord for amplifier, costing ~300 bucks. To connect the amp without any loss to the 3*1.5 NYM cable running inside the wall to your mains outlet	16:17
BCMM	and it came with an inch-long extension cable	16:17
ShadowJK	jacekowski, you can buy up RMAd hubs in bulk, run them through the oven and sell them as working	16:17
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BCMM	jacekowski: meh, shipping, on ships, in whole containers probably comes out to be very little for small things	16:17
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: they have gold cables as well, and mains conditioners	16:17
BCMM	DocScrutinizer: maybe those people have entirely gold-plated houses	16:18
ShadowJK	ah, nothing like a perfectly shaped modified sine wave...	16:18
BCMM	(one can only hope)	16:18
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: and magic clean air to feed to the speaker membranes ? XP	16:18
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BCMM	ShadowJK: oven?	16:18
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: and special fuses for audio	16:18
jacekowski	BCMM: smd oven	16:18
jacekowski	BCMM: reflow	16:18
ShadowJK	or just your baking oven in between bread	16:19
ShadowJK	can't be too fuzzy when you try keep costs down	16:19
BCMM	actually, reminds me of somebody (of debatable realness) who blew up a computer by copper-plating the entire case (including insulating bits)	16:19
luizheyjr	hi everyone, somebody knows if maemo have a full emulator or a way to do that?	16:19
BCMM	jacekowski: ah, for components that didn't attach the first time?	16:19
ShadowJK	luizheyjr, no	16:19
BCMM	luizheyjr: emulator of what?	16:19
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luizheyjr	an emulator like qemu or something	16:20
BCMM	luizheyjr: emulate maemo on maemo? maemo on something else?	16:20
luizheyjr	maemo on pc	16:20
BCMM	luizheyjr: yeah, i believe there is a VM	16:20
BCMM	oh	16:20
BCMM	i don't know	16:20
* timeless_mbp looks for someone who uses MfE		16:21
jacekowski	BCMM: no, that's how it's done 1st time	16:21
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BCMM	impractical but funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFjl3Ob3VpU	16:21
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jacekowski	BCMM: solder paste with glue and shit	16:21
jacekowski	BCMM: i mean blank pcb is covered with it	16:21
jacekowski	BCMM: and then components are glued	16:21
jacekowski	BCMM: using that	16:21
jacekowski	BCMM: and then it goes to the oven	16:21
luizheyjr	I want to test my apps but i dont have a maemo device	16:22
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jacekowski	luizheyjr: scratchbox	16:22
jacekowski	luizheyjr: there is all you need inside of it	16:22
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luizheyjr	but the scratchbox only emulates the display manager, isnt it?	16:23
MiXu-	Is there some way to disable the turn-to-mute feature in N900?	16:23
SpeedEvil	luizheyjr: What does your app do?	16:23
SpeedEvil	luizheyjr: Also - I note that extras-devel can be used for this	16:23
BCMM	luizheyjr: yeah, no real reason to emulate an n900 when you can just compile stuff for your desktop instead	16:23
luizheyjr	some poit of sales like app	16:23
SpeedEvil	you upload your app there - and ask questions about it	16:24
BCMM	(unless you do soemthing odd with hardware, or wanna know about performance)	16:24
jacekowski	luizheyjr: it emulates everything	16:24
SpeedEvil	luizheyjr: What does it do that you can't do on the desk?	16:24
SpeedEvil	jacekowski: No, it doesn'.t	16:24
jacekowski	luizheyjr: well, everything you need	16:24
SpeedEvil	jacekowski: Not camera/phone/accelerometer	16:24
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Khertan_	I ve strange result while using a QAbstractKineticScroller with a QPlainTextEdit ... It s scroll really too fast, and the QPlainTextEdit doesn't stay in the window frame after some scroll ... start at 50 pixel left before the windows ? any idea ? This doesn't happen when i use a QTextEdit	16:28
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luizheyjr	so if I only compile an app for maemo it will run exactly like in the scratchbox appears right?	16:29
woglinde	Khertan_ better ask in the qt channel?	16:29
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Khertan_	woglinde: hum ... :) already ask no answer ... so as it s a bit specifics to maemo ... i try if someone already have this problem here :)	16:29
BCMM	luizheyjr: not completely exactly	16:29
BCMM	luizheyjr: i mean, performance is bound to differ	16:30
luizheyjr	hummm ok	16:30
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BCMM	and poorly-written apps could work on one and not the other	16:30
Khertan_	woglinde: on qt ... there is few people using specificity of maemo	16:30
Khertan_	woglinde: on qt ... there is few people using specificities of maemo	16:30
Khertan_	:)	16:30
BCMM	but i veliev the official advice is "get it working right in scratchbox, then check if it works on a device"	16:30
BCMM	s/v/b/	16:30
infobot	BCMM meant: but i believ the official advice is "get it working right in scratchbox, then check if it works on a device"	16:30
BCMM	wow	16:31
BCMM	infobot is awesome	16:31
SpeedEvil	yes.	16:31
* BCMM hugs infobot		16:31
Khertan_	yeah, no real reason to emulate an n900 when you can just compile stuff for your desktop instead <<< except for QtMaemo5 qt module :=	16:31
Khertan_	:)	16:31
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X-Fade	TomaszD: ping	16:38
luizheyjr	the last question lol :D how can I emulate the acelerometers action, I mean need I do something in the code to make my app able to be viewed in portrait or landscape way?	16:38
woglinde	khertan wasnt there qt-maemo channel?	16:39
Mece	Khertan_, could you tell me how to get setAttribute(Qt.WA_Maemo5PortraitOrientation, True) to work in PyQt4?	16:39
Khertan_	easy :)	16:40
Mece	Khertan_, works fine in pyside, but scrolling of qtextedit didn't wokrk in pyside :/	16:40
Khertan_	ah	16:41
Khertan_	yes i see it	16:41
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Khertan_	and there is also pb with keyPressedEvent in pyside	16:41
MohammadAG	ZogG, ping	16:41
Khertan_	fixed now ... but still not available in repository	16:41
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woglinde	khertan is pyside this much better now than pyqt?	16:42
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Khertan_	Mece: i simply set self.setAttribute(QtCore.Qt.WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, True)	16:43
Khertan_	in pyqt	16:43
Khertan_	works fine since PR1.2	16:43
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Mece	Khertan_, I don't want auto, but ok, was missing the QtCore there.	16:46
Khertan_	ah :)	16:46
Khertan_	PyQt4.QtCore.Qt.WA* to be exact	16:46
noobmonk3y	:)	16:46
* noobmonk3y blinks		16:47
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Khertan_	and of course do not forget to import PyQt4.QtMaemo5	16:47
noobmonk3y	Khertan_: are you clear on qtmultimedia v qtmobility? - it seems audioinput doesnt work on the n900 with multimedia, so was thinking of trying mobility	16:47
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Mece	Khertan_, doesn't seem to work.	16:54
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Khertan_	noobmonk3y: don't know ... never try to use it :)	16:57
MohammadAG	frals, remember the post i linked to (qwerty12)?	16:59
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noobmonk3y	:)	17:04
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GAN900	Google Docs is so unpleasant to use in MicroB.	17:06
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dneary	GAN900, Yes	17:17
* GAN900 gives us		17:18
GAN900	up*	17:18
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loufoque	what is the best weather application/applet for the N900?	17:22
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visz	there's the new weatherbug, but i haven't tried it yet	17:24
visz	http://maemoarena.com/2010/05/new-apps-games-coming-your-way-for-nokia-n900/	17:24
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Mece	crap. err Khertan_, are you still here?	17:27
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DocScrutinizer	X-Fade: ping	17:29
Khertan_	Mece: ... but a bit busy	17:29
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X-Fade	DocScrutinizer: pong	17:29
DocScrutinizer	or maybe somebody else may tell me: am I supposed to have admin rights for the garage ML of my project	17:30
loufoque	visz: are those ovi apps you need to pay for?	17:30
X-Fade	DocScrutinizer: Yes	17:30
DocScrutinizer	hmm, it asks for a admin pw	17:31
DocScrutinizer	I can't remember having that configured any time	17:31
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Mece	Khertan_, are you using pyside or pyqt in khteditor?	17:32
DocScrutinizer	maybe I just forgot?	17:32
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Khertan_	Mece: pyqt	17:32
X-Fade	DocScrutinizer: I can reset it. Whatis your project?	17:32
Mece	Khertan_, ok, because of the scrolling in qtestedit or..?	17:32
Khertan_	as i plan to release a first version soon ... pyqt isn't ready yet ...	17:32
Khertan_	Mece: and other problems :)	17:33
Mece	pyside isn't ready you mean.	17:33
Khertan_	pyside bug#207	17:33
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207 RFE: Bluetooth PAN	17:33
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Khertan_	Mece: :)	17:33
DocScrutinizer	X-Fade: if it's really been entered by me before, I will find it again. Just can't remember I have set any dedicated ML admin pw	17:33
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Mece	Khertan_, well seems that manual rotation doesn't work in pyqt...	17:34
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X-Fade	DocScrutinizer: resetting is easy ;)	17:34
X-Fade	DocScrutinizer: list name?	17:34
loufoque	pyside on an embedded device?	17:34
loufoque	that's crazy	17:34
Khertan_	Mece: strange	17:35
Khertan_	Mece: ask to achipa ... maybe it can help	17:35
Khertan_	you	17:35
Khertan_	s/it/he	17:35
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Mece	~seen achipa	17:36
infobot	achipa <~chatzilla@Maemo/community/council/achipa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 1h 50m 16s ago, saying: 'tybollt: MeeGo is input agnostic. The speficic UXes might not be.'.	17:36
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visz	loufoque, don't know if weatherbug is free or not	17:38
visz	apparently it's no longer on ovi	17:38
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SpeedEvil	Interesting.	17:39
loufoque	what is?	17:39
SpeedEvil	After watching half of top-gear - my display wedged, and now won't unblank or react to lock	17:39
SpeedEvil	oh - touching unblanked - but it's frozen on one image - even after killing browserd	17:40
loufoque	how do you watch top gear on your n900?	17:40
SpeedEvil	[89946.780700] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered	17:40
SpeedEvil	I guess	17:40
SpeedEvil	bbc iplayer	17:41
loufoque	so through flash?	17:41
SpeedEvil	yes	17:41
loufoque	flash sux0rs	17:42
loufoque	though that appears to not be a flash bug	17:42
SpeedEvil	no	17:43
DocScrutinizer	eeew nasty	17:44
DocScrutinizer	hardware recovery - LOL	17:44
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: seems it forgot to kill the adjacent process same time?	17:45
loufoque	that sygic maps thing, it's only a free trial and then you have to pay!?	17:46
DocScrutinizer	which would be, in this case, err... flash?	17:47
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DocScrutinizer	since when is flash hw accelerated?	17:47
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loufoque	since a long time ago	17:48
DocScrutinizer	thought I hear rant it isn't and won't ever be	17:48
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DocScrutinizer	on N900	17:49
DocScrutinizer	timeless_mbp: ^^^ ?	17:49
woglinde	loufoque it isnt that long time	17:49
woglinde	last year for windows	17:49
timeless_mbp	please hold	17:50
DocScrutinizer	...the line :-D	17:50
X-Fade	DocScrutinizer: 10.1 has hardware accell.	17:50
X-Fade	DocScrutinizer: But SGX is used for regular painting on the screen too.	17:51
DocScrutinizer	duh, so we got 10.1 on N900 now?	17:51
X-Fade	no ;)	17:51
DocScrutinizer	aah, ok. Now that makes sense	17:51
woglinde	10.1 has hw accel for sgx	17:51
woglinde	wau	17:51
SpeedEvil	Is there any way I can submit a useful bugreport - does it dump info anywhere?	17:52
DocScrutinizer	nnnnh, not sure if that's exactly what X-Fade said	17:52
* woglinde wonders when flash 10.1 for n8x0 will come out		17:52
woglinde	g	17:52
loufoque	N900 has OpenGL ES 2.0	17:52
loufoque	and flash can use that afaik	17:52
X-Fade	SpeedEvil: There is an internal bug for it at least.	17:53
Mece	gaddamm crap . this is seriously annoying. why don't i get an error when the rotation stuff fails.. grr.	17:53
SpeedEvil	X-Fade: K	17:53
woglinde	loufoque so you are familiar with the internals of the flash-plugin	17:53
loufoque	Mece: what do you mean when the rotation fails	17:53
* DocScrutinizer has couldy memories of timeless_mbp elaborating on this in epic length		17:53
timeless_mbp	DocScrutinizer: flash isn't a process	17:53
loufoque	woglinde: no	17:53
timeless_mbp	it's just part of a browserd insitance	17:53
SpeedEvil	Flash is a disease!	17:54
SpeedEvil	:)	17:54
Mece	well when it doesn't rotate.,	17:54
loufoque	timeless_mbp: it is a process if you use chrome	17:54
* SpeedEvil wishes it was a process.		17:54
haj	DocScrutinizer: With the danger of being kicked for arguing with you again.. if you long-click a flashapplet and select settings you'll see that you can select hardware acceleration on and off on the N900...	17:54
timeless_mbp	loufoque: there's no Chrome for the n900	17:54
loufoque	Mece: in what application? what context?	17:54
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woglinde	hm what was thise side which converts flash to html5/javascript again	17:54
woglinde	smokesomething	17:54
loufoque	timeless_mbp: so you think	17:54
SpeedEvil	woglinde: It basically dies on n900	17:54
haj	DocScrutinizer: don't know how much it does though.. :)	17:54
timeless_mbp	so when we talk about the n900, we aren't talking about Chrome	17:54
timeless_mbp	and people wouldn't be stupid enough to ask me for comments about Chromium	17:54
timeless_mbp	since I don't work on Chromium	17:54
timeless_mbp	loufoque: or "Get off my lawn!"	17:54
DocScrutinizer	me neither	17:55
woglinde	hehe	17:55
woglinde	I want chroium os	17:55
Mece	loufoque, in pyqt self.setAttribute(Qt.WA_Maemo5PortraitOrientation, True)	17:55
woglinde	just joking	17:55
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DocScrutinizer	timeless_mbp: so has the flash implemetation we got now on N900 any special hw accel ?	17:55
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X-Fade	SpeedEvil: bug #9150	17:56
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9150 Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU	17:56
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timeless_mbp	DocScrutinizer: for video? dunno, perhaps	17:56
timeless_mbp	i suppose i could ask	17:56
timeless_mbp	but SGX isn't DSP	17:56
timeless_mbp	SGX is just buggy Crap	17:56
haj	it does look a little different with hw acceleration on i think... :/	17:56
timeless_mbp	SGX resets are an unfortunate thing that happen	17:57
timeless_mbp	iirc there were some attempts to resolve them, but they broke things :)	17:57
SpeedEvil	X-Fade: Ah - thanks	17:57
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DocScrutinizer	timeless_mbp: so who's master of SGX here? flash? X?	17:57
timeless_mbp	roughly X	17:58
DocScrutinizer	k, thanks. All I wanted to know	17:58
BCMM	what is SGX?	17:58
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PhonicUK	hey all	17:59
PhonicUK	anyone know if sshd will allow incomming connections over GPRS/3G and if not, how to configure it to allow it?	18:00
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BCMM	PhonicUK: your network might be silly about it	18:00
SpeedEvil	PhonicUK: many networks will not allow inbound connections.	18:00
SpeedEvil	For good reasons.	18:00
BCMM	(i don't even get a proper ip)	18:01
PhonicUK	hmm	18:01
PhonicUK	I'm on T-Mobile UK	18:01
DocScrutinizer	PhonicUK: if you're behind a NAT then you lose	18:01
PhonicUK	good point	18:01
BCMM	PhonicUK: well, check your ip	18:01
SpeedEvil	PhonicUK: Do you get lots of inbound packets wrecking your battery life from people scanning for vulns?	18:01
PhonicUK	nope, I only want this as a temporary thing	18:02
SpeedEvil	If not then you can't get inbound connections	18:02
BCMM	mine starts in 10	18:02
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jaska	#define POWERVR_SERVICES_KEY "\\Registry\\Machine\\System\\CurrentControlSet\\Services\\PowerVR\\" <- nice stuff in that add_nokia_sgx_driver.patch :)	18:02
satmd	lol.	18:02
BCMM	PhonicUK: i have t mobile and a local ip so you are most likely out of luck	18:02
PhonicUK	WhatsMyIp shows as 217.154.25.22	18:03
BCMM	PhonicUK: you can "reverse ssh" using a tunnel though	18:03
BCMM	PhonicUK: try ifconfig	18:03
DocScrutinizer	PhonicUK: just compare your local IP (as of e.g. ifconfig) with the one an arbitrary info webpage or wiki shows	18:03
DocScrutinizer	yes, exactly	18:03
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SpeedEvil	or apt-get install traceroute	18:04
DocScrutinizer	yay	18:04
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PhonicUK	lol whoops I used Wifi to check xD	18:04
DocScrutinizer	lol	18:04
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PhonicUK	10.213.20.59 in ifconfig, 149.254.49.9 in whatsmyip, damnit NAT	18:05
PhonicUK	I'd have to use a UDP tunnel from both sides :\	18:05
DocScrutinizer	usual standard	18:05
SpeedEvil	Or reverse ssh tunnel	18:05
PhonicUK	Can't do that :\	18:05
DocScrutinizer	or vpn to a public box	18:05
SpeedEvil	I plan on setting that up at some point	18:05
PhonicUK	other side won't allow incomming connections xD	18:05
SpeedEvil	ssh out to a server somewhere.	18:05
PhonicUK	aye	18:06
SpeedEvil	this server then accepts and forwards connects to you	18:06
PhonicUK	I'm at work and I want to SSH into my device, but the work WiFi is a seperate network from the one the machines are on	18:06
PhonicUK	lol	18:06
woglinde	jaska lol	18:06
X-Fade	PhonicUK: usb cable ftw?	18:06
DocScrutinizer	hmm, vpn, or ssh... probably not much of a difference for that purpose	18:06
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woglinde	jasak this seems to come from poulsbo crap I guess	18:06
jaska	possible	18:07
SpeedEvil	PhonicUK: Do check you're not violating local policy with this. Circumventing network admins can get hairy.	18:07
PhonicUK	hmm, I hadnt thought about net-usb actually	18:07
PhonicUK	Theres nothing in the policy to stop me from SSH'ing to off-site machines	18:07
BCMM_	i missed a bit fron 'net dropping out	18:07
PhonicUK	its pretty liberal	18:07
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PhonicUK	What I can't do is create tunnels that would allow incomming connections	18:07
BCMM_	do you get a real ip address from t mobile?	18:08
SpeedEvil	BCMM: solved - no	18:08
SpeedEvil	BCMM: basically - that would be a horribly bad idea.	18:08
SpeedEvil	BCMM: generally.	18:08
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DocScrutinizer	yep	18:08
PhonicUK	ah well its not important anyways	18:08
SpeedEvil	BCMM: check tcpdump or whatever on a machine exposed to the internet	18:08
BCMM_	want ipv6...	18:08
SpeedEvil	BCMM: one packet every 30s will destroy battery life	18:09
DocScrutinizer	a configurable (or PnP) NAT was quite nice though	18:09
BCMM_	should make the space big enough that random scans wouldn't hit much	18:09
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PhonicUK	I wonder if the T-Mobile NAT allows for uPnP	18:09
PhonicUK	probably not :\	18:09
SpeedEvil	BCMM: Or support signed packets	18:09
DocScrutinizer	for sure not	18:09
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BCMM_	SpeedEvil: and i know, i sometimes read my ssh logs for amusement	18:09
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BCMM_	the names people seem to think are common...	18:10
satmd	hehe	18:10
loufoque	BCMM_: what do you want ipv6 for?	18:10
* satmd raises his hand... I have a v6-only network with v4-to-v6-translation on the gateway		18:11
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BCMM_	loufoque: big enough space that A) there would be addresses for phones, and B) random scanning would be unfeasible	18:12
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loufoque	BCMM_: your 3G carrier isn't going to give you ipv6, you know	18:14
loufoque	and most wifis won't either	18:14
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BCMM	back again...	18:14
loufoque	BCMM: your 3G carrier isn't going to give you ipv6, you know	18:14
loufoque	and most wifis won't either	18:14
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BCMM	loufoque: i mean, want a general switchover to occur	18:16
BCMM	i think the n900 does it already	18:16
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loufoque	not the default kernel	18:17
BCMM	heh.	18:17
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frals	MohammadAG: ? noobmonk3y: ?	18:20
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noobmonk3y	frals ?	18:20
loufoque	is there any battery applet without extras-testing?	18:20
frals	you highlighted me!	18:20
noobmonk3y	loufoque: not at the mo - but a few apps - http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search[1][property]=title&org_openpsa_products_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[1][value]=battery&org_openpsa_products_search[2][property]=os&org_openpsa_products_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[2][value]=Maemo5&fetch=Search	18:21
noobmonk3y	frals?	18:21
noobmonk3y	i always throw you about the place, was a long time ago!	18:21
BCMM	is there a maemo irc client that supports maemoish scrolling?	18:21
* frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout		18:22
frals	bah!	18:22
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BCMM	(as in, no scrollbar, drag contents up instead)	18:22
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* noobmonk3y thinks frals needs a new pinny		18:22
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loufoque	noobmonk3y: which one of these two is the best btw?	18:22
noobmonk3y	loufoque: what do you want it to do? i use battery eye - as it just works :)	18:22
noobmonk3y	battery graph just always seemed a bit too complex for my needs	18:23
noobmonk3y	even healthcheck will give you some battery info :P	18:23
luke-jr	GeneralAntilles: o that was you?	18:23
noobmonk3y	BCMM: not sure , doubt it	18:23
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loufoque	noobmonk3y: having stats is always useful to analyse how I use my phone	18:23
luke-jr	loufoque: do 3G carriers usually block IPv6? 4G requires it	18:23
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noobmonk3y	:) good point loufoque	18:23
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sp3000	noobmonk3y: also, it has perhaps the only eye-themed logo I've ever seen that doesn't look like ass	18:24
sp3000	s//icon/, whichever	18:24
noobmonk3y	which app sp3000 ?	18:24
sp3000	the one with the eye in the name, doh :)	18:24
noobmonk3y	ohhhh	18:24
noobmonk3y	battery eye	18:24
* noobmonk3y is slow, sun is out lol		18:24
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noobmonk3y	w0000p healthcheck hit 80k downloads.... time for a new version i feel	18:25
loufoque	luke-jr: there is such a thing as deployed 4G?	18:25
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luke-jr	loufoque: IIRC	18:25
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frals	loufoque: we got LTE net deployed in .se	18:26
noobmonk3y	frals: sweden sucks ass	18:26
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* noobmonk3y grins, giggles and jumps about		18:26
noobmonk3y	actually you lot are quite often first in the world of tech these days :P	18:27
loufoque	frals: what kind of devices support it?	18:27
jaska	sadly	18:27
loufoque	sweden doesn't suck as bad as norway	18:27
timeless_mbp	loufoque: btw, how can you possibly complain that a company spent money making a decent map application and wants to run a business selling it	18:27
noobmonk3y	loufoque: 4g dongles for now i thought?	18:27
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timeless_mbp	they might even be nice enough to give you a trial, so you can decide that it's worth your money	18:27
loufoque	timeless_mbp: I'm simply looking for a free alternative	18:27
timeless_mbp	instead of just taking it in advance	18:28
timeless_mbp	Mappero	18:28
Arkenoi	we have deployed wimax	18:28
Arkenoi	but nokia dropped wimax support	18:28
frals	loufoque: a few modems on the market support it	18:28
frals	as in dongles	18:28
timeless_mbp	there are probably 20-30 WiMax deployments in the world	18:28
jaska	oh how i remember the hype days of wimax	18:29
jaska	back in early 200x	18:29
frals	kinda funny, theres a flying baloonzeppelinthingy which says "Welcome to the 4G Zone" pretty close to my uni	18:29
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noobmonk3y	frals: lay of the weed	18:30
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loufoque	oh mappero is in extras-testing now	18:30
loufoque	maybe I should enable that repository in the end	18:31
jaska	the ovi map downloader thingy downloads voices too... theyre wavs	18:31
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luke-jr	loufoque: AFAIK, Sprint has deployed 4G somewhat	18:34
loufoque	if you can give me worldwide unlimited 4G, I'll be so happy I'll give everyone in the channel a free beer	18:35
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SwedeMike	loufoque: that'll take a long time before that happens.	18:35
pupnik	very funny: from openpandora forums "The Device Customer" http://www.fullsack.com/images/rocky0B.jpg	18:36
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loufoque	pupnik: idgi	18:37
luke-jr	loufoque: you can't get worldwide unlimited anything	18:37
luke-jr	loufoque: there's no 3G where I live, for example	18:37
pupnik	?	18:37
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jaska	no 3g here either, not even edge, and im in .fi :)	18:38
SwedeMike	because different telcos around the world have different business models, getting a flat rate anything is next to impossible.	18:39
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DocScrutinizer	jaska: living i a cave?	18:42
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jaska	docscrutinizer: nah, just not in a city, and im using the operator that has crappier 3g coverage (read: nonexistent outside cities), the other operator had poor voice service back in 90s	18:43
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loufoque	SwedeMike: they need to understand they should be nothing more than dumb pipes	18:45
pupnik	dumb pipes get congested	18:46
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jaska	haha, and the operator is going to try to stop providing unlimited data, guess i might as well get rid of having a cell phone contract and just use email	18:47
SwedeMike	loufoque: that's nothing they strive for.	18:47
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loufoque	timeless_mbp: can mappero work offline as well?	18:51
timeless_mbp	it should	18:52
timeless_mbp	its predecessor in name only did	18:52
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roquetto	re	18:54
Arkenoi	how can i recover my IM and email passwords from n900? I have two i forgot good enough which i do not want to reset.. are they in gconf somewhere?	18:54
roquetto	I would appreciate if someone could give me a hand on this: I got maemo sdk installed on a 32-bit vm, armel target set - but i get lots of qemu errors like this:	18:55
roquetto	getsockopt level=1 optname=17 not yet supported	18:56
roquetto	GConf Error: No D-BUS daemon running	18:56
roquetto	then it segfaults	18:56
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roquetto	does anyone have any clue on what's going on?	18:56
roquetto	or how I could investigate better?	18:56
timeless_mbp	Arkenoi: there's a microb extension which includes a password manager from gecko iirc	18:56
timeless_mbp	or you could copy the profile to a desktop computer and use firefox to view them	18:56
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roquetto	btw maybe the fact that there is no D-Bus daemon running might be related to a crash after af-sb-init.sh start is called?	18:56
timeless_mbp	that's assuming you're using the browser to do IM and email	18:57
timeless_mbp	if you actually mean IM and email	18:57
* timeless_mbp has no idea		18:57
loufoque	timeless_mbp: can't find how to download maps	18:57
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Arkenoi	timeless_mbp, not site passwords, but ones i use for email and IM accounts	18:57
Arkenoi	yep, i actually mean im and email ;-)	18:58
timeless_mbp	tap the title, select maps, select managemaps	18:58
timeless_mbp	the dialog is kinda wonky	18:58
timeless_mbp	but you pick an area, the zoom levels and tell it to download	18:58
timeless_mbp	it probably does what you want	18:59
timeless_mbp	you might be able to use the repositories and 'sync' buttons	18:59
* timeless_mbp shrugs		18:59
timeless_mbp	i'm not saying mappero's ui is perfect	18:59
timeless_mbp	Maep's ui is much simpler and shinier	19:00
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loufoque	how do you disable the nokia hands video already?	19:02
ToJa92	[loufoque]: Easiest way would be PowaTool, I think it's in extras-devel though	19:03
jaska	edit /etc/hildon-welcome.d/default.conf with vi (or nano?) and put a # in front of the filename= line	19:03
loufoque	thanks jaska	19:03
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kokosz	hey peeps... are you experiencing seemingly random shut downs after upgrading to 1.2 ?	19:07
SpeedEvil	what does cat /proc/bootreason say after a shutdown?	19:07
SpeedEvil	and no	19:08
kokosz	I'll have to check	19:08
kokosz	it's happened couple of times	19:08
loufoque	where can I find the bzip2 package?	19:08
ZogG	who highlighted me?	19:08
SpeedEvil	it's in one of the repos loufoque	19:09
SpeedEvil	loufoque: try tools maybe	19:09
loufoque	i've got everything but extras-devel	19:09
SpeedEvil	How can I tell where a package came from?	19:09
SpeedEvil	devel and tools	19:10
SpeedEvil	Or maybe sdk	19:10
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BCMM_	SpeedEvil: dpkg -l \| grep packagename	19:11
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SpeedEvil	dpkg -l \|grep bzip2	19:12
SpeedEvil	ii bzip2 1:1.0.5-3+0m5 high-quality block-sorting file compressor - utilities	19:12
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loufoque	how come I've got lots of missing packages	19:13
SpeedEvil	err- no	19:13
loufoque	is it because there is less stuff for PR1.2?	19:13
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SpeedEvil	How do I set my profile picture on maemo.org? I've signed in - clicked on my profile - and I see no way to edit it.	19:18
ToJa92	Have you tried changing forum profile?	19:19
SpeedEvil	you mean talk profile?	19:19
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ToJa92	Yeah	19:20
wall[e]	SpeedEvil, apt-cache policy package	19:20
wall[e]	i think	19:20
* wall[e] tries		19:20
SpeedEvil	http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=24189 - me looking all hot. http://maemo.org/profile/view/speedevil/ - blank!	19:20
SpeedEvil	Oh noes!	19:20
SpeedEvil	hmm.	19:21
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mikki-kun	hm, where do i set start-up commands to be executed on the n900? i can't either locate rc.local nor something like local.start ;/	19:21
wall[e]	well, only work if you didn't already have it installed	19:21
SpeedEvil	ah	19:22
SpeedEvil	mikki-kun: Depends when	19:22
SpeedEvil	mikki-kun: Once X has come u?	19:22
SpeedEvil	p	19:22
loufoque	SpeedEvil: so how can I install bzip2?	19:22
mikki-kun	SpeedEvil: hm... most likely i'll be looking for that	19:22
SpeedEvil	/etc/X11/Xsession.post/*\	19:22
mikki-kun	thanks :)	19:23
SpeedEvil	Add something in the '80' range and it'll come up when everything else is done	19:23
SpeedEvil	Add an '01' and it starts before the little blobs	19:23
vldcnst	Arkenoi: gconftool-2 -R /apps/modest/server_accounts	19:24
mikki-kun	hm... it would be a small script in allowing a certain frequency in titan's ideal kernel and changing the max to 600... you maybe know when that is done?	19:25
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SpeedEvil	http://pastebin.com/6CifeZcb loufoque	19:26
SpeedEvil	My repos file	19:26
SpeedEvil	It's in one of these.	19:26
SpeedEvil	I can't work out how to determine which.	19:27
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SpeedEvil	Well - I probably could - but...	19:27
SpeedEvil	I have more important stuff to do.	19:27
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loufoque	according to this http://maemo.org/packages/view/bzip2/	19:29
loufoque	it's in Maemo 5 device SSU repository (PR1.2)	19:30
loufoque	which one is that	19:30
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SpeedEvil	Well - look at my above paste	19:31
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SpeedEvil	tehre is on ly one with ssu in the name	19:31
SpeedEvil	copy that lien	19:31
loufoque	there are two	19:31
loufoque	one I already have	19:31
SpeedEvil	have you tried apt-get install bzip23?	19:31
SpeedEvil	2	19:31
loufoque	yes, no such package	19:33
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loufoque	hmm this didn't change anything	19:35
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vldcnst	Arkenoi: succes?	19:36
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Arkenoi	vldcnst, nope, no passwords there	19:40
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vldcnst	Strange, thats where my password is stored. PR 1.2?	19:41
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vldcnst	Also, what version did you have when you added the email account?	19:42
Arkenoi	yep	19:42
Arkenoi	1.1.1	19:42
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loufoque	SpeedEvil: I enabled almost all of those you gave, still no bzip2	19:43
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vldcnst	Arkenoi: did you try /home/user/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg ? I don't remember if they fixed that after or before 1.1	19:44
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SpeedEvil	you did update ?	19:45
SpeedEvil	go to the app-manager - click update	19:45
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loufoque	I did apt-get update	19:46
SpeedEvil	I'm not completeyl sure that does the same thing	19:47
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loufoque	i tried both anyway	19:50
Arkenoi	vldcnst, settings seem to be there but passwords are not	19:51
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dannym	loufoque: strange... try "apt-cache search bzip2" or something to find out whether it has a weird name (?)	19:55
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loufoque	I get fbreader, p7zip-full and libbz2-1.0	19:59
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loufoque	libbz2-1.0 is the library bzip2 uses	19:59
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SpeedEvil	apt-get install bzip2 just works here	20:01
TomaszD	someone wanted something from me? scrollback ran out	20:02
TomaszD	Stskeeps, ?	20:02
satmd	3h22 ago, x-fade	20:03
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slonopotamus	-.-	20:04
loufoque	maybe it's extras-devel	20:04
loufoque	didn't add this one	20:04
dannym	loufoque: maybe, though SSU is supposed the "very safe" updates...	20:04
dannym	loufoque: but it doesn't hurt to try :)	20:04
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loufoque	I can't install foreca either	20:05
loufoque	I suppose that was in the non-1.2 ovi repo	20:06
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Stskeeps	TomaszD: ?	20:13
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satmd	confusing series of hilights ;D	20:13
Stskeeps	TomaszD: no, not me - guy you pinged in the morning maybe?	20:13
loufoque	still no bzip2 :(	20:13
TomaszD	well I regularly ping zaheerm since he tends to disappear on me mid sentence	20:14
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zaheerm	TomaszD, yah sorry bout that work has been very hectic and i often can't have my irc client active	20:18
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TomaszD	Stskeeps, you're at home already?	20:19
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loufoque	is it safe to use apt-get instead of the graphical application manager?	20:23
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TomaszD	it's safe, but not recommended, as supposedly appman does some additional magic	20:24
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savant42	do most things from apt-get get optified?	20:25
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Tobarja_n810	looking for suggestion of a way to get popup notifications on my n810 sourced preferrably from a polled email account	20:39
luke-jr	...	20:40
luke-jr	polling = lame	20:40
timeless_mbp	hrm	20:40
timeless_mbp	portrait picture viewer almost works	20:40
timeless_mbp	except for the fact that the standalone image toolbar is fixed positioned instead of centered :(	20:40
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Tobarja_n810	i'd like to get backup failure and other system notices. email is the easiest source, but i could pobably massage that to something else. the primary part of the question is how to notify me on my nit	20:42
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wall[e]	is there a way to download map from ubuntu?	20:47
wall[e]	wine?	20:47
microlith	not sure what you're trying to do?	20:48
wall[e]	download map but it needs nokia pc suite	20:48
microlith	oh	20:49
TomaszD	this is cool http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/nokias-15-bike-charger-will-abide/	20:50
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mc_teo``	hey, does irssi have tab completion?	20:52
mc_teo``	irssi on n900, not just irssi in general	20:52
Surfa	can't see reason why not	20:53
wao	me neither	20:53
mc_teo``	i dont see why not either	20:53
mc_teo``	hence the asking	20:53
Surfa	when porting something, it doesn't really make sense removing such functionality..	20:54
Surfa	but, you never know :)	20:54
wall[e]	on xchat it uses shift-space something right?	20:54
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mc_teo``	yeah	20:55
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mc_teo``	my friend tried it in irssi, and it didnt work	20:55
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mikki-kun	mc_teo``: you should have the onscreen "tab" though and that works...	20:57
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DocScrutinizer	wall[e]: depends on your key bindings in xchat settings	20:58
wall[e]	DocScrutinizer, aha, thanks.	20:58
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loufoque_	I'm having the bug with the music applet again, can't play anything from the desktop	20:59
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loufoque_	it had been fixed when I used PR1.2 the first time	20:59
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wall[e]	any german know how to pronounce zwei?	21:00
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wall[e]	ok.	21:01
wall[e]	my new game will be called Her Dog Smiles	21:01
wall[e]	will use farm theme, but the game is like Herzog Zwei	21:01
DocScrutinizer	wall[e]: wut?	21:02
wall[e]	DocScrutinizer, working on 3d engine and will build a game over it.	21:02
wall[e]	er	21:03
wall[e]	wut == what? :)	21:03
dmj726_devel	lardman: I'm having some trouble with autoconf for my camera app. It seems it won't find gst-camerabin	21:03
DocScrutinizer	yep :-)	21:03
wall[e]	hehe ok	21:03
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wall[e]	will be something like, big bird carrying animals around	21:03
wall[e]	throwing stones against the other side.	21:04
DocScrutinizer	wall[e]: t's-why	21:04
wall[e]	zwei ?	21:04
DocScrutinizer	yep	21:04
wall[e]	ok, thanks.	21:04
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wall[e]	ok, get back on the engine.	21:05
dmj726_devel	http://pastebin.org/303919	21:06
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wall[e]	it's funny, yesterday i code 1k line of code with hwkb	21:07
wall[e]	a quadtree	21:07
wall[e]	that's more than my average.	21:08
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nocturnal	i'm trying to find the vmware images to develop for fremantle on os x but failing. http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo_fremantle_and_diablo_sdk_virtual_image_final_version_released/ the link referenced here does not contain any images	21:10
nocturnal	only flasher binaries	21:10
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Tobarja_n810	so there's no good way to get quickly notified of new mail?	21:12
jacekowski	nocturnal: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vmware+scratchbox+maemo	21:13
jacekowski	Tobarja_n810: jabber	21:13
nocturnal	jacekowski: yeah i've found some for diablo	21:14
nocturnal	with similar queries	21:14
nocturnal	but not fremantle	21:14
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nocturnal	oh wait sorry	21:14
nocturnal	diablo/fremantle	21:14
jacekowski	nocturnal: that's freemantle and diablo in same image	21:14
nocturnal	yeah i saw that now	21:14
nocturnal	but the link still goes to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php	21:14
nocturnal	and i can't see any images there	21:14
nocturnal	just dmg files for flasher	21:14
jacekowski	http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/	21:15
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nocturnal	oh it's under old downloads	21:15
jacekowski	that's 1st link on my google	21:15
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nocturnal	jacekowski: yes i know but that Download link goes to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php	21:15
nocturnal	which has no images	21:15
nocturnal	but they're under OLD downloads	21:15
nocturnal	saw that now	21:15
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vldcnst	pesimistic!	21:16
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SpeedEvil	?	21:17
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Tobarja_n810	jacekowski: that looks like a suitable method. thanks	21:19
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Aranel	Some guy posted a link for Ovi Suite 2.2 on my forum it links to somewhere called narod.ru . I wonder if it's legally ok to share that link or not. If it's not, I'll remove that post :)	21:27
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GAN900	Aranel, well, dunno about jurisdictional legalities	21:31
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GAN900	Aranel, but it's almost certainly against the agreement of the person who originally received it.	21:31
GAN900	Aranel, it's probably NOT legal in the US fwiw.	21:32
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Gizmokid2005	GAN900: assuming it's not modified and he's not doing it for money, it's legal.	21:33
loufoque_	Aranel: what's ovi suite?	21:33
Gizmokid2005	well, and it's free that is.	21:33
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Aranel	loufoque_: it's a PC application for your Nokia, you can upgrade fw, write/read sms etc.	21:34
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Aranel	ok then, I'm gonna remove that post. Checked Maemo Talk and they're doing the same thing.	21:36
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Zahra	why search tab does not exist in app manager on PR 1.2?	21:41
Gizmokid2005	Zahra: because its find as you type now	21:41
Zahra	ow ok! good!:D	21:41
Gizmokid2005	it's nice :)	21:42
Zahra	but virtual keyboard become ugly!	21:42
crashanddie	GAN900: what legality?	21:42
crashanddie	(translation: context?)	21:43
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crashanddie	oh sorry, I have the context	21:43
crashanddie	Aranel: in doubt, you should remove it. Why is he providing a link to a russian website? Why not get it from Nokia directly?	21:44
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Aranel	crashanddie: thought so and removed it already :)	21:46
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crashanddie	SpeedEvil: in what language?	21:57
joorin	quick repository/package question: how do i add a nifty icon that will show up on a page like http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/ ? have i overlooked some part of the project page?	21:57
SpeedEvil	crashanddie: All of them! Autodetected, of course.	21:58
crashanddie	right	21:58
SpeedEvil	crashanddie: It's a pity the webcam isn't really good enough for gaze tracking	21:59
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Ro9u3oR	Greetings	22:02
Ro9u3oR	Can anyone tell me if Kismet will work successfully on a N900	22:02
pupnik	yes	22:05
joorin	pupnik, you can tell him or it does work? ;)	22:05
Ro9u3oR	Thank you	22:06
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xDaReaperx	Hi	22:06
xDaReaperx	is it possible to check the temperature of the N900 ?	22:06
SpeedEvil	Sortof.	22:07
SpeedEvil	There is a battery meter chip which has a temperature device in it.	22:07
SpeedEvil	Why?	22:07
SpeedEvil	titan's power kernel has a driver - modprobe bq27x00 - and look around /sys/class/battery/ or something for a temperature (in kelvin)	22:08
joorin	speedevil, in Kelvin? thats novel.	22:08
* SpeedEvil lives some 25 miles from where Lord Kelvin discovered solitons.		22:09
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pupnik	joorin: i thought of it literally firvst too	22:09
SpeedEvil	Err	22:09
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SpeedEvil	Wikipedia claims it was John Russel.	22:10
* Arkenoi wrote bq27x00_battery into /etc/modules		22:10
joorin	arkenoi, did you get 300K when you did a reading?	22:11
joorin	or, 330K perhaps.	22:11
* joorin has no idea about idle heat.		22:12
Arkenoi	i get quite realistic values	22:13
SpeedEvil	This is _not_ the temperature of the CPU	22:13
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joorin	speedevil, battery temperature, i got that, but since at least my device gets hot as a bat out of hellas when i use WiFi heavily, i thought it might be a good approximation.	22:14
Arkenoi	but those are in celsius, not kelvin	22:14
Arkenoi	~ $ cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp	22:14
Arkenoi	29	22:14
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SpeedEvil	the chip outputs kelvin	22:14
SpeedEvil	It must be converted in that driver	22:14
SpeedEvil	My hottest is 331k	22:15
joorin	speedevil, i do wonder how they calibrated it... ;)	22:15
SpeedEvil	It's specified accuracy by TI	22:15
SpeedEvil	not calibrated	22:15
Arkenoi	SpeedEvil, that's much. mine does not go higher than 45C	22:15
joorin	speedevil, do they offer some lower limit of what it can measure?	22:16
SpeedEvil	yes	22:16
joorin	speedevil, my joe being that at 0k, measuring becomes a tad academical.	22:16
joorin	"my joke"	22:16
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SpeedEvil	-20 to 70C	22:18
joorin	speedevil, ok. im guessing thats mid range for a chip based sensor.	22:19
SpeedEvil	Arkenoi: I think that was hen sitting int he sun while listening to internet radio	22:20
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TomaszD	X-Fade, ? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/gst-plugins-bad0.10-musepack_0.10.19-maemo1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt	22:24
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joorin	so, noone know how to add an icon to the package view page? ;(	22:25
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DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: how would I possibly 'install the python module' for xchat?	22:25
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DocScrutinizer51	LP5523 also has a temp sensor	22:31
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DocScrutinizer51	alledegly BSI is depending on temp of cell, but I doubt that's true	22:33
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DocScrutinizer51	I guess twl5030 also has a temp sensor	22:33
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SpeedEvil	the SoC reportedly has one too - but it's not recommended for use, so may not work.	22:37
b-man\|laptop	gah - i hate xchat sometimes :P	22:38
b-man\|laptop	i got tcc (Tiny C Compiler) working on the N900 :)	22:39
b-man\|laptop	tested a simple hello.c program and it seems to work well :)	22:40
joorin	b-man, any obvious advantage over gcc apart from size?	22:40
loufoque_	SpeedEvil: can you install ioquake3 or do you get missing packages errors?	22:40
b-man\|laptop	it's 9 times faster	22:40
Xisdibik	SpeedEvil: on maemo.org it talks about installing maemo-pan , but i dont see it in the repos	22:40
Xisdibik	for getting bluetooth-pan working	22:41
b-man\|laptop	and it's ISOC99 compliant	22:41
xDaReaperx	damn you guys saw the n900 scrath test ? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tgNdRm-iJs , the screen is more vulnerable to scratch as compared to the n97 and iPhone	22:41
joorin	b-man, nice!	22:41
Xisdibik	xDaReaperx: i cant see the scratches on my screen over the fingerprints xD	22:43
b-man\|laptop	joorin: apparently it's even possible to compile an entire kernel with it using a wrapper (although it hasn't been tested)	22:43
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xDaReaperx	is there a screen protector for the n900 ?	22:43
Xisdibik	xDaReaperx: yes	22:43
Xisdibik	xDaReaperx: but i dont use one	22:43
xDaReaperx	oh , i want one	22:43
joorin	b-man, thats impressive knowing how much special care the kernel needs.	22:43
b-man\|laptop	indeed	22:44
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alterego	I, erm, can't believe I didn't notice that Forum Nokia Maemo comp	22:46
alterego	Anyone here got any submissions?	22:46
alterego	I have 10 days to hack together an idea I've got :(S	22:46
alterego	And by 10, I mean 6 ^.^	22:46
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DocScrutinizer	maemo comp?	22:51
joorin	alterego, 6 days is ok depending on scope. weekend soon.	22:51
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alterego	joorin: not too bad, I'm unemployed at the moment.	22:56
alterego	DocScrutinizer51: http://flors.wordpress.com/2010/06/03/50-000-for-the-best-maemo-qt-nokia-n900-apps-and-more/	22:56
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joorin	alterego, ah, "self employment" at its finest. ;)	22:58
joorin	but, Qt, no, not for me.	22:58
alterego	joorin: got made redundant a couple of weeks ago, so I'm just taking it easy, hacking some maemo apps	22:58
joorin	alterego, always important to keep the skills alive while not selling ones body to an employer.	22:59
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alterego	Indeed,	22:59
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DocScrutinizer	alterego: darn, the original site didn't even mention maemo - at least I haven't seen it http://www.callingallinnovators.com/about_the_contest.aspx	22:59
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hume	hi... I have an N900 with a 16GB removable SD-card - how can i format that card with the N900? It seems to be corrupt	23:00
SpeedEvil	hume: how much of a linux clue to you have.	23:00
hume	SpeedEvil, much	23:00
SpeedEvil	Also - why not just pull it, and format it externally	23:00
SpeedEvil	ok - sfdisk is on there	23:01
SpeedEvil	and mkfs.vfat	23:01
hume	ok	23:01
SpeedEvil	or is it mkdosfs	23:01
hume	no nice gui for the lazy?	23:01
SpeedEvil	don't think so	23:01
SpeedEvil	may be wrong	23:01
hume	could be the reason for me not finding any....:)	23:01
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hume	would it be stuipd to format it while USB-connected? use a linux computer	23:02
ShadowJK	file manager, long tap on memory card, format	23:02
ShadowJK	if memory card at all appears there..	23:02
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DocScrutinizer	MUHAHA - ""The top 25 submissions... will need to ensure that their applications have been thoroughly tested using one of two remote device access services, – either Remote Device Access from Forum Nokia, or Forum Nokia Virtual Developer Lab	23:02
DocScrutinizer	""	23:02
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DocScrutinizer	now, I guess that's rather prohibitive for maemo apps to apply XP	23:03
hume	SpeedEvil,	23:03
hume	ShadowJK, thx	23:03
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alterego	DocScrutinizer: I don't understand what that means?	23:04
alterego	Does that mean it's not worth me "submitting" my app/s?	23:05
mece	~sdk	23:05
infobot	The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com	23:05
mece	err..	23:05
jaska	o.O	23:05
mece	~maemosdk	23:05
infobot	maemosdk is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation	23:05
mece	thanks infobot	23:05
joorin	mece, you know how to speak to robots. strong! ;)	23:06
pupnik	you make sun go away. you powahful	23:06
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DocScrutinizer	alterego: I just don't see how to test a maemo app on a remote virtual device testing facility that doesn't support maemo/N900	23:06
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mece	do I need to reinstall sdk to get the pr1.2 crap, or can one do some kind of dist upgrade on that frakker?	23:07
DocScrutinizer	or, wait, does that mean they REALLY made n900 work in their robot racks?	23:07
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Xisdibik	Hey DocScrutinizer are you familiar with bluetooth PAN on the n900?	23:07
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DocScrutinizer	sorry, not really	23:07
Xisdibik	boo, no one is :/	23:07
Xisdibik	dont you guys wanna tether your phone :P	23:08
hume	anyone of you here know if there has turned up a way to use BT keyboards as there was with the N800? I can link my Nokia BT keyboard, but only use some of the keys	23:08
DocScrutinizer	nah, got all I need inside of the device :-D	23:08
Xisdibik	DocScrutinizer: heh, curse you! :P	23:08
TomaszD	can anyone help https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/gst-plugins-bad0.10-musepack_0.10.19-maemo1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt	23:09
DocScrutinizer	hume: I heard it works with pretty much all BT kbds except original Nokia ones	23:09
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hume	DocScrutinizer, ok...that was new to me.... when I bought it there was something with lack of support for full keyboards, hence problems with control keys and for me, swedish characters	23:10
DocScrutinizer	Xisdibik: I had PAN working on N810, guess that won't help you out	23:10
hume	DocScrutinizer, got any idea of where you saw that?	23:10
DocScrutinizer	hume: here in this chan	23:10
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DocScrutinizer	some days ago	23:10
hume	Do-m-pie, ok	23:10
hume	DocScrutinizer, ok	23:11
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Xisdibik	DocScrutinizer: on the maemo.org site it talked about getting maemo-pan package, but I dont see it in the repos anywhere	23:11
ShadowJK	I vaguely remember bt keyboard threads on talk too	23:11
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hume	DocScrutinizer, got any idea on why? if some BT keyboards, so why not all?	23:11
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hume	ShadowJK, you mean in the web forum?	23:12
DocScrutinizer	hume: sorry, no. probably Nokia BT kbd stack is borked	23:12
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loufoque_	anyone knows what's the difference between the UK firmware and the vanilla one?	23:13
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DocScrutinizer	hume: talk.maemo.org	23:13
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mece	aaw feck.	23:13
DocScrutinizer	hume: so yes	23:13
alterego	Well, that was damn annoying.	23:13
hume	thx	23:14
alterego	Did I miss anything? After what you said about remote testing DocScrutinizer ?	23:14
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johnsq	Hi	23:14
DocScrutinizer	alterego: not teally, except me wondering if they might have managed to get N900 into their device zoo	23:14
alterego	Heh	23:14
DocScrutinizer	s/tea/rea/	23:14
infobot	DocScrutinizer meant: alterego: not really, except me wondering if they might have managed to get N900 into their device zoo	23:14
alterego	I don't think you need to, I think you can just upload it ..	23:14
ShadowJK	hume: yeah	23:15
alterego	I'm going to enter anyway :)	23:15
alterego	I've got nothing to lose ;)	23:15
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woglinde	jo	23:16
woglinde	re	23:16
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woglinde	lol 3 diffrent gma500 drivers now from intel	23:17
DocScrutinizer	alterego: as everybody was so encourraging, I actually pondered to apply with hostmode/h-e-n, but that's really somewhat OT and not exactly "usefull and tested" yet :-P	23:17
woglinde	this so stupid	23:17
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alterego	DocScrutinizer: ooo, yeah, I'm sure that'd win something. Maybe Productivity?	23:17
alterego	I'm going for the Multimedia category.	23:17
DocScrutinizer	sure, productivity if anything	23:17
DocScrutinizer	but it's pre-beta	23:18
DocScrutinizer	and not exactly an app	23:18
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ZeNz0r	hi all ^^	23:18
alterego	Yeah, well, you get judged on the version you upload, so you've got 6 days to sort it out! :P	23:18
DocScrutinizer	it's so meta it probably will earn a special price on its own category	23:18
alterego	:D	23:18
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DocScrutinizer	$7.99	23:19
alterego	Hahah	23:19
alterego	Are you still contemplating entering it then?	23:19
DocScrutinizer	not really, though the many zeros before the . are quite tempting XP	23:19
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alterego	Hah	23:20
hume	ShadowJK, thanks, looks promising, although some work is needed	23:20
alterego	I think, if I get the idea I'm working on done, I might be in with a good chance.	23:20
alterego	I think it's a cool app that a lot of people will enjoy.	23:20
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kevinm2k_	anyone have any experience making a listview in python for n900?	23:21
alterego	Not going to charge for it though :)	23:21
ZeNz0r	guys i need a little help installing apps... it app manager says: "Aplication packages missing: python2.5-minimal(=2.5.4-1maemo6)" any clues on how to get that package?	23:22
kevinm2k_	ok what about attaching a custom widget in to a qlistwidgetitem ?	23:22
kevinm2k_	#	23:22
woglinde	ZeNz0r what package is this and where did you got it?	23:23
ZeNz0r	im trying to install apps after i flashed pr1.2... im getting this error on hermes, seriesfinale, battery-eye and more	23:23
ZeNz0r	im guessig its a base library	23:24
ZeNz0r	it says the package is missing	23:24
woglinde	hm the apps are from extra or extra-testing?	23:24
ZeNz0r	extras	23:24
woglinde	open a console	23:24
woglinde	and type apt-cache show python2.5-minimal	23:24
woglinde	pastebin the output	23:25
woglinde	~pastebin	23:25
alterego	DocScrutinizer: Either way, I'm not going to start it until I've completed my current project: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/media-im-status-updater/	23:25
infobot	[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.	23:25
alterego	DocScrutinizer: I've got it running on my N900, it's been working really well over today. Just doing some tidying now, then I'm going to debianize and upload :)	23:26
alterego	(to extras)	23:26
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woglinde	ZeNz0r hm latest offical python-minimal is python-minimal 2.5.2-3maemo	23:28
ZeNz0r	http://pastebin.com/tmZGWp1M	23:28
woglinde	so seems this apps where build against something diffrent	23:28
woglinde	http://maemo.org/packages/view/python-minimal/	23:28
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woglinde	hm intressting	23:29
woglinde	okay	23:29
woglinde	~lart stupid webfrontend	23:29
* infobot moos at stupid webfrontend		23:29
ZeNz0r	should i install the latest package?	23:30
ZeNz0r	and do i get it from the link u just sent me?	23:31
woglinde	no	23:31
woglinde	the link shows only the 1.1 stuff	23:31
ZeNz0r	i flashed to 1.2	23:32
woglinde	yes	23:32
woglinde	I already saw it	23:32
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loufoque_	am I the only one that cannot install package bzip2?	23:33
ZeNz0r	cool... that means i did it right xD	23:33
loufoque_	it's supposed to be in "Maemo 5 device SSU repository (PR1.2)"	23:33
woglinde	zenzor ah	23:33
loufoque_	whatever that repository is	23:33
woglinde	zenzor update python2.5-maemo	23:33
woglinde	python2.5_2.5.4-1maemo6_armel.deb	23:34
woglinde	from today	23:34
woglinde	http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.2/free/p/python2.5/	23:34
woglinde	~lart stupid webfrontend again	23:34
* infobot whips out a shotgun, trudges over to stupid webfrontend again, and goes postal		23:34
ZeNz0r	woglinde: unable to install 'python2.5' Incompatible application package	23:37
ZeNz0r	shouldn't i have said to open with app manager?	23:37
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DocScrutinizer	hmmm, cool. On x86 linux /usr/bin/hp-systray has created a python zombie. Hi zombie, looong time no see XP	23:39
woglinde	zenzor can you do it via terminal?	23:42
alterego	What's the easiest way to package a python app?	23:42
woglinde	apt-get update	23:42
woglinde	apt-get upgrade	23:42
ZeNz0r	woglinde sure, shuold i type upgrade or update or even both?	23:42
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DocScrutinizer	who's garage tech-admin?	23:43
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woglinde	first update	23:44
woglinde	which updates the package-index	23:44
woglinde	upgrade updates the packages	23:44
ZeNz0r	should i gain root?... it says permission denied	23:45
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DocScrutinizer	root is a shorter comand ;-D	23:45
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ZeNz0r	^^	23:45
woglinde	zenzor sudo gainroot	23:45
DocScrutinizer	sudo gainroot == root	23:45
woglinde	if you have the package installed	23:46
woglinde	rootshell?	23:46
woglinde	or what was it called	23:46
DocScrutinizer	rot	23:46
DocScrutinizer	root	23:46
ZeNz0r	do u want me to pastebin it?	23:46
DocScrutinizer	aah tha package is rootsh	23:46
woglinde	apt-get install rootsh	23:46
woglinde	hm	23:46
woglinde	args	23:46
woglinde	lol	23:46
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ZeNz0r	lol	23:46
DocScrutinizer	LOL	23:46
mece	omg abill_uk, LOOOOL	23:46
woglinde	okay install rootsh via app-manager	23:47
ZeNz0r	i was looking at the phone xD	23:47
woglinde	sorry	23:47
ZeNz0r	i already have it and got root and did the update	23:47
woglinde	lol	23:47
woglinde	okay	23:47
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woglinde	dont forget to use apt-get clean	23:47
xDaReaperx	hmm	23:47
ZeNz0r	should i go for upgrade or do u want me to pastebin the update results	23:47
woglinde	afterwards	23:47
woglinde	no try upgrade	23:47
woglinde	you could use -u	23:47
woglinde	to see which one will be updated	23:48
ZeNz0r	so i'll type apt-get upgrade -u?	23:48
woglinde	no	23:48
woglinde	type "jump out the window"	23:48
xDaReaperx	why didn't nokia make other colors for the N900	23:48
xDaReaperx	like silver	23:49
ZeNz0r	lol	23:49
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ZeNz0r	i make these questions cause today was my first time typing in xterminal xD	23:49
DocScrutinizer	use a varnish marker ;-P	23:49
mece	xDaReaperx, because it's black.	23:49
xDaReaperx	i hate black	23:49
xDaReaperx	i'm a racist	23:49
xDaReaperx	oh wait...	23:49
mece	xDaReaperx, you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong.	23:50
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xDaReaperx	xD	23:50
MohammadAG	noobmonk3y_, err	23:50
MohammadAG	really, all he wants is a big fat hug from frals... nothing more, nothing less...... <-- wtf lol	23:50
ZeNz0r	0 upgraded	23:50
* noobmonk3y_ farts		23:50
* noobmonk3y_ throws frals @ MohammadAG		23:51
noobmonk3y_	frals - MohammadAG wants a hug	23:51
DocScrutinizer	lol	23:51
xDaReaperx	did any of you overclock the N900 ?	23:51
* noobmonk3y_ overclocked a trout once		23:51
xDaReaperx	what were the results if so	23:51
noobmonk3y_	poor bugger	23:51
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frals	wat	23:51
DocScrutinizer	OC is a noTopic here XD	23:51
noobmonk3y_	DocScrutinizer, really.......	23:51
* MohammadAG comments out DocScrutinizer		23:51
xDaReaperx	i still wonder about the bug i had yesterday	23:52
noobmonk3y_	kinda random...... its like going into pc world and them tellin gyou that you cant buy a heatsink	23:52
DocScrutinizer	~gentoo MohammadAG	23:52
* infobot recompiles MohammadAG again		23:52
* MohammadAG compiles #maemo		23:52
MohammadAG	lol	23:52
noobmonk3y_	ffs geekisms	23:52
xDaReaperx	my Nokia Cable was connected to the phone , i rebooted and the screen was all weird	23:52
MohammadAG	did it poke you?	23:52
xDaReaperx	everything messy , lots of green codes and stuff	23:52
* noobmonk3y_ recommends throwing out the window and getting a Trout 4g		23:52
xDaReaperx	=/	23:53
ZeNz0r	woglinde 0 got upgraded... i tested installing one of the apps and its still not working, how do i install the python2.5.......deb through xterm?	23:53
DocScrutinizer	xDaReaperx: OC :-P	23:54
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xDaReaperx	whats OC ?	23:54
DocScrutinizer	~oc	23:54
infobot	hmm... oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s	23:54
DocScrutinizer	hmm	23:54
xDaReaperx	lol	23:54
MohammadAG	frals, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=697799&postcount=77	23:54
DocScrutinizer	~overclocking	23:54
infobot	"OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?"	23:54
woglinde	zenzor download the deb from my link	23:54
xDaReaperx	oh	23:54
MohammadAG	lol	23:55
woglinde	and type dpkg -i python-minimal...deb	23:55
ZeNz0r	done	23:55
MohammadAG	infobot, does it get crispy?	23:55
xDaReaperx	my N900 has been running continuously for 3 days now	23:55
xDaReaperx	still battery is not down	23:55
xDaReaperx	a bit is left , 10 %	23:56
xDaReaperx	is that a problem ?	23:56
SpeedEvil	It should go for at least 4	23:56
SpeedEvil	I had closer to 5 in a test	23:56
xDaReaperx	hmmm , i gotta try that	23:56
SpeedEvil	(connected to wifi, GSM active)	23:57
xDaReaperx	yeah mine was connected to WiFi and stuff	23:57
asj__	xDaReaperx: I ran for over a week before I gave up and had to use the phone, it had no sim though	23:57
xDaReaperx	oh	23:57
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xDaReaperx	but for some ppl , the battery drains within 7-8 hrs	23:57
xDaReaperx	its weird	23:57
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SpeedEvil	It's all up to apps - generally.	23:58
valdyn	xDaReaperx: im over 3g is evil and does that easily	23:58
asj__	xDaReaperx: startup skype, a few more IMs, and twitter widgets and...voila	23:58
DocScrutinizer	with edonkey it'll go down in 90 minutes	23:58
xDaReaperx	well i dont run a lot of apps	23:58
xDaReaperx	lol edonkey ? what apps is that	23:58
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SpeedEvil	It is an app for downloading legitimate linux distribution DVDs.	23:59
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xDaReaperx	hmmm okay	23:59
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