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| DocScrutinizer | youtube also nice ;-P | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you won't watch Ben Hur | 00:00 |
| valdyn | skype needs push ( but I somehow doubt carriers would cooperate there ;) ) | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | without recharging | 00:00 |
| ZeNz0r | woglinde: it didnt work, it found errors (dependency problems) | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | valdyn: skype is a braindamaged peer2peer concept | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | valdyn: no room for push | 00:01 |
| woglinde | zenzot pastebin? | 00:02 |
| ZeNz0r | sure | 00:02 |
| xDaReaperx | is there actually a liquid under the N900's screen ? | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 00:02 |
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| dmj726_devel | LCD | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | even 2 | 00:02 |
| dmj726_devel | think of the first word in the acronym | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | the liquid crystal, and above the touchscreen separator oil | 00:03 |
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| xDaReaperx | Hmm so thats 2 | 00:03 |
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| loufoque_ | anyone know what "Maemo 5 device SSU repository (PR1.2)" is? | 00:03 |
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| xDaReaperx | does the liquid , relate to the problems of the white spots on your screen ? | 00:03 |
| ZeNz0r | woglinde: http://pastebin.com/QVvm5wbD | 00:03 |
| xDaReaperx | i meant dead pixles | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | white spots? eew | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | shouldn't have dead pixels | 00:04 |
| xDaReaperx | my friend has bought his N900 | 00:04 |
| xDaReaperx | it has few bright spots | 00:04 |
| xDaReaperx | he replaced it | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | QA says: zero defect pixels | 00:05 |
| woglinde | ZeNz0r you only downloaded python2.5 you need python2.5-minimal | 00:05 |
| ZeNz0r | oh ok... sry... give me a sec | 00:05 |
| valdyn | loufoque_: you mean http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php , maybe | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: anyway dead pixels are caused by matrix defects, not by the LC | 00:06 |
| xDaReaperx | hmmm , there's no fix for that ? | 00:06 |
| woglinde | zenzor I meant install both deb | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: nope | 00:06 |
| woglinde | python2.5 and python2.5-minial | 00:06 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah good thing he replaced it | 00:06 |
| ZeNz0r | woglinde: oh i c, sry | 00:07 |
| loufoque_ | valdyn: no, I mean a package repository, referenced at http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/ | 00:07 |
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| ZeNz0r | woglinde: http://pastebin.com/BtXaXJRL im guessing i have to install pymaemo-optify | 00:10 |
| * noobmonk3y_ is tired of babysitting tmo... sleep i think | 00:11 | |
| valdyn | loufoque_: you have no n900? | 00:11 |
| woglinde | zenzor you didnt do it already? | 00:11 |
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| valdyn | loufoque_: the urls are in the package manager "Catalogues" | 00:11 |
| loufoque_ | valdyn: I know. | 00:11 |
| loufoque_ | valdyn: please try to answer my question now. | 00:11 |
| b-man|laptop | http://bellard.org/otcc/otccelfn.c < the tiniest c compiler that can produce dynamically linked ELF binaries in the world | 00:11 |
| ZeNz0r | woglinde: pymaemo-optify no i didnt... didnt even know of such a thing xD | 00:12 |
| loufoque_ | valdyn: what is the address of that repository | 00:12 |
| loufoque_ | it's not https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/203 ./ | 00:12 |
| woglinde | b-man hehe bellard again | 00:12 |
| loufoque_ | which repository is that | 00:12 |
| woglinde | dont know what we will invent | 00:12 |
| woglinde | in the future | 00:12 |
| woglinde | he started so many cool stuff | 00:13 |
| b-man|laptop | woglinde: yeah :) | 00:13 |
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| valdyn | loufoque_: it is | 00:13 |
| loufoque_ | what is what | 00:13 |
| valdyn | loufoque_: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 for me | 00:13 |
| valdyn | loufoque_: maybe you are trying to download a package directly? | 00:14 |
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| loufoque_ | I have missing dependencies, and the package needed are in that repository | 00:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: damn you're fast today :-D | 00:14 |
| valdyn | loufoque_: while apt-get cant install it? | 00:14 |
| loufoque_ | the packages are *missing* | 00:15 |
| loufoque_ | they're not found in any repository I have configured | 00:15 |
| loufoque_ | an example is bzip | 00:15 |
| loufoque_ | bzip2 sorry | 00:15 |
| valdyn | loufoque_: its there, probably extras-devel or -testing | 00:16 |
| valdyn | loufoque_: actually probably both as I'm having 2 sources | 00:16 |
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| loufoque_ | bzip2 is in Maemo 5 device SSU repository (PR1.2), Fremantle SDK free armel and Fremantle nokia-applications explicit armel | 00:17 |
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| ZeNz0r | woglinde: i typed apt-get install pymaemo-optify and it says it needs python2.5 that depends on minimal, but the 2.5.4-1maemo5 is to be installed.... so it seems i need to get an older version first.... does this make sense? | 00:18 |
| woglinde | ZeNz0r download python-optify deb | 00:20 |
| woglinde | and install all 3 together with dpkg | 00:20 |
| loufoque_ | valdyn: let me give you another one for example. libgles1-sgx-img. This is required for ioquake3 for example. It is only available in "Maemo 5 device SSU repository (PR1.2)" | 00:20 |
| ZeNz0r | u mean 1line of text to install the 3 .deb? | 00:20 |
| loufoque_ | hmm no my bad this one is in others as well | 00:20 |
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| loufoque_ | regardless I don't have it either | 00:21 |
| loufoque_ | even though I've got all repositories one can find on the internet enabled | 00:21 |
| woglinde | zenzor by the way the python-optify.deb should be already in /var/cache/apt/archives/ bye noiw | 00:21 |
| valdyn | loufoque_: i can install it | 00:21 |
| woglinde | zenzor dpkg -i 1.deb 2.deb 3.deb | 00:21 |
| valdyn | loufoque_: what does "apt-cache policy bzip2" give ? | 00:21 |
| ZeNz0r | thks | 00:21 |
| loufoque_ | valdyn: could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list ? | 00:21 |
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| valdyn | loufoque_: hold.. | 00:24 |
| valdyn | loufoque_: http://pastebin.com/s0LS800z | 00:25 |
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| valdyn | thats not the hole list, but apt-cache policy its one of those 3 | 00:25 |
| valdyn | thats not the hole list, but according to apt-cache policy its one of those 3 | 00:25 |
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| loufoque_ | if I add https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 it works | 00:26 |
| loufoque_ | where did you get that one from? | 00:26 |
| valdyn | loufoque_: no idea | 00:26 |
| loufoque_ | how did you install PR1.2? | 00:26 |
| valdyn | loufoque_: I never added it manually, I flashed pr1.2 | 00:26 |
| loufoque_ | global firmware or different one? | 00:26 |
| valdyn | global | 00:26 |
| valdyn | but this could just aswell be the result of restoring the backup I guess | 00:27 |
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| loufoque_ | i flashed uk firmware, maybe that's the reason why I have https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/203 ? | 00:27 |
| Juozapas | hi, i cant find midnight commander in extras repository. Where i must search for it ? | 00:27 |
| valdyn | on top of that I had pr1.2 pre which could have put that repository there.. | 00:28 |
| valdyn | all my own repositories are there too, so the backup / restore must have taken care of that | 00:29 |
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| ZeNz0r | woglinde: http://pastebin.com/Hz5CuC20 | 00:30 |
| woglinde | ZeNz0r look at it again | 00:30 |
| woglinde | 5 vs 6 | 00:30 |
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| woglinde | download latest python-minimal | 00:30 |
| ZeNz0r | the minimal doesnt have a 6 | 00:31 |
| ZeNz0r | i thought it was ok | 00:31 |
| woglinde | hm uh | 00:31 |
| valdyn | its an annoyance that the nokia repositories are layed out in a way that makes apt-cache policy not show the actual source | 00:31 |
| woglinde | then download the version 5 of python2.5 | 00:31 |
| ZeNz0r | k | 00:31 |
| ZeNz0r | im getting dizzy... xD | 00:32 |
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| valdyn | it should be "https://foo.bar/ssu <whitespace> apps" | 00:32 |
| woglinde | sorry | 00:32 |
| ZeNz0r | np | 00:32 |
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| ZeNz0r | i always wanted to learn but put it back in the list... now im forced :p | 00:32 |
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| woglinde | zenzor hihi | 00:34 |
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| crashanddie | valdyn: https://foo.bar/ssu%20apps | 00:36 |
| crashanddie | valdyn: "space" is %20 | 00:37 |
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| crashanddie | ~nickometer ZeNz0r | 00:37 |
| infobot | 'ZeNz0r' is 97.280% lame, crashanddie | 00:37 |
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| crashanddie | ouch | 00:37 |
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| Juozapas | can anyone help me with mc installation ? | 00:38 |
| ZeNz0r | rofl | 00:38 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 00:38 |
| MohammadAG | * Received a CTCP PING 1275550949977918 from xnt14 <-- is that an autoping feature or an autoannoy one | 00:38 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: yes, that's the highest we've ever seen in this channel | 00:38 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 00:39 |
| ZeNz0r | woglinde: http://pastebin.com/meP97VZv it seems it worked | 00:39 |
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| ZeNz0r | should i try 6 now? | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | apart for maybe z0mB13K1lL | 00:39 |
| woglinde | zenzor no | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | ~nickometer z0mB13K1lL | 00:39 |
| infobot | 'z0mB13K1lL' is 88.000% lame, crashanddie | 00:40 |
| woglinde | when there is no python2.5-minial deb | 00:40 |
| crashanddie | not even | 00:40 |
| crashanddie | damn | 00:40 |
| ZeNz0r | oh ok | 00:40 |
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| ZeNz0r | gonna test installing those apps | 00:40 |
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| woglinde | yeah | 00:41 |
| ZeNz0r | w00000t... woglinde masta its installing ;DDD | 00:41 |
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| ZeNz0r | awesome, now i can tell it to get the rest of the apps^^ | 00:41 |
| ZeNz0r | thks a lot | 00:41 |
| ZeNz0r | i def couldnt have done it without u | 00:42 |
| ZeNz0r | since im 97.28% lame and 100% n00b :p | 00:42 |
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| woglinde | zenzor he you doing fine | 00:42 |
| SpeedEvil1 | ~nickometer SpeedEvil | 00:42 |
| infobot | 'SpeedEvil' is 0.000% lame, speedevil1 | 00:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | ~nickometer n900Evil | 00:43 |
| infobot | 'n900Evil' is 46.000% lame, speedevil | 00:43 |
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| Mousey | ~nickometer Mousey | 00:44 |
| infobot | 'Mousey' is 0.000% lame, mousey | 00:44 |
| Mousey | w00t!! | 00:44 |
| satmd | ~nickometer satmd | 00:44 |
| infobot | 'satmd' is 0.000% lame, satmd | 00:44 |
| satmd | good. | 00:44 |
| w00t_ | ~nickometer w00t_ | 00:45 |
| infobot | 'w00t_' is 37.000% lame, w00t_ | 00:45 |
| w00t_ | oh dear. | 00:45 |
| ZeNz0r | well guys i gotta go pay some attention to my fiance or i'll get killed before the wedding | 00:45 |
| satmd | lol | 00:45 |
| ZeNz0r | thks a lot woglinde ;D | 00:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Wave. | 00:45 |
| satmd | w00t_: too much l33t and _ ;D | 00:45 |
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| w00t_ | hehe | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | ~nickometer MohammadAG | 00:46 |
| infobot | 'MohammadAG' is 8.000% lame, mohammadag | 00:46 |
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| shinkamui | anyone know the flag off the top of the head when reflashing to reformat all partitions? | 00:53 |
| shinkamui | I want it to be like factory, but pr 1.1.2 | 00:54 |
| shinkamui | or do I have to delete the partitions manually myself before reflashing? | 00:54 |
| shinkamui | eg rm -rf /home and rm-rf /opt | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | flash *COMBINED* and *EMMC* | 00:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | preferably other way round | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | first emmc, then combined aka rootfs | 00:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't reboot in between the two flashes | 00:57 |
| midas_ | just spool it with random data when updating, it's always fun | 00:57 |
| midas_ | off to bed it is! | 00:57 |
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| monkeyiq | GeneralAntilles: just to double check, did you send out emails about n900 devices within the last 12hrs? | 01:01 |
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| shinkamui | doc | 01:04 |
| shinkamui | what does nokia mean when they say the fiasco image | 01:04 |
| shinkamui | is that the actual firmware image for rootfs? | 01:05 |
| shinkamui | if you understand what I mean | 01:05 |
| shinkamui | by that | 01:05 |
| shinkamui | :) | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | As I understand it, fiasco is the packer for the big images. | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | It puts together bootloader, kernel, rootfs, ... | 01:05 |
| shinkamui | speed, Im trying to purge my n900 completely | 01:05 |
| shinkamui | so I downloaded pr1.2 image and the emmc | 01:06 |
| SpeedEvil | For what purpose? | 01:06 |
| shinkamui | ordered a new one, giving this one to my father | 01:06 |
| shinkamui | anyhoo, the site says as doc said, flash the fiasco image first, then emmc image, and never reboot between | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - that should work. | 01:07 |
| shinkamui | i just wanted to be sure that the fiasco image is the pr 1.2 firmware | 01:07 |
| shinkamui | and not something EXTRA I also need to flash | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | However - any really incriminating images can potentially be recovered. | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | See the 'photorec' software in extras-devel I think | 01:07 |
| shinkamui | its my dad, if I needed to worry, I would just zero out the partition multipass | 01:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | if you have any, you'll want to fill up the free space. | 01:08 |
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| shinkamui | ha ha | 01:08 |
| shinkamui | how long would it take for that arm cpu to fill 25gigs | 01:08 |
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| shinkamui | cat /dev/random > /home/filler | 01:09 |
| shinkamui | I would imagine it would take hours | 01:09 |
| shinkamui | or days | 01:09 |
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| shinkamui | maybe not days | 01:09 |
| shinkamui | :) | 01:09 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, 3D TVs for $2,000. WTF? | 01:11 |
| ioan | can someone please direct me to documentation on how to create status bar plugin with python? | 01:11 |
| alterego | :) | 01:11 |
| alterego | Yes, that is right, I'm smiling :) | 01:11 |
| thp | ioan: get the repeatswitcherstatus source | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: so? | 01:12 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, makes me feel old. | 01:12 |
| GAN900 | Also: makes me determined to get a 3D video rig set up. | 01:12 |
| ioan | thp: thanks! | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: nha, you'll start feeling old when kids use gadgets you don't even understand | 01:12 |
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| * GAN900 wonders about mounting two GH1s to a steadicam. | 01:13 | |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: get a 5D | 01:13 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, iPhones? :D | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | well, 5DII | 01:13 |
| thp | ioan: and http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo for "generic" pymaemo docs | 01:13 |
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| GAN900 | GH1 is better for HD, I hear | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: fuck that | 01:13 |
| GAN900 | Plus, we already have one | 01:13 |
| GAN900 | I'm not actually buying one | 01:13 |
| GAN900 | since it just pisses me off for stills. | 01:14 |
| GAN900 | Not actually being SLR sucks. | 01:14 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: get a merlin steadicam | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | or a glidecam 1000 pro | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0VS4qZDVfU | 01:17 |
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| ioan | thp: I got the code for Repeatswitcherstatus, but is not what I want, probably I didn't ask the right question. I want to build an app that will show a small icon next to the battery icon, for some event. For example, if ssh is running, I want to show a small icon there, when ssh doesn't run anymore, the icon dissapears | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | load applet, simple brightness applet | 01:23 |
| ioan | DocScrutinizer, thanks | 01:24 |
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| TomaszD | X-Fade, around? | 01:28 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:29 |
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| alterego | Anyone happen to know how I can get a GtkWindow from a xid? | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | w00t_, did you announce what you were working on yesterday? | 01:37 |
| w00t_ | MohammadAG: what in particular? (I sometimes think I do more stuff than is healthy for my mental state) | 01:38 |
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| w00t_ | ah, yes, ish | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | on tmo? | 01:39 |
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| w00t_ | frals and I have talked about it, nothing's been posted/mailed yet though because it's simply too early | 01:39 |
| w00t_ | I (think) we'd rather have something to show of it first | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | w00t_, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55062 thought you should say something about it, devs are starting to implement their own keyboards now | 01:40 |
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| w00t_ | they're still probably going to do that anyway, a final solution is not going to be a walk in the park I think (else someone would have done it sooner) | 01:41 |
| w00t_ | but maybe, yeah | 01:42 |
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| MohammadAG | :) | 01:42 |
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| cehteh | adblock can only improve speed :P | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | o/ lcukn900 | 03:16 |
| lcukn900 | evening moh \o | 03:17 |
| lcukn900 | so whats goin down in bacon town then | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | it closed down cause of bankruptcy | 03:18 |
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| lcukn900 | thats normal i turned into a lobster today | 03:19 |
| * lcukn900 caught the sun at waterslide park | 03:19 | |
| MohammadAG | is it hot? | 03:20 |
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| woglinde | he lcuk | 03:20 |
| lcukn900 | yeah im practically glow in the dark | 03:20 |
| lcukn900 | hey woglinde | 03:20 |
| * MohammadAG wonders what gee is | 03:20 | |
| MohammadAG | gee-1.0, never heard of it | 03:21 |
| lcukn900 | in relation to? | 03:21 |
| MohammadAG | some app I'm compiling | 03:21 |
| MohammadAG | No package 'gee-1.0' found | 03:22 |
| lcukn900 | lol i thought you meant gravity gee's | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 03:22 |
| * MohammadAG rm -rfs the working directory | 03:22 | |
| MohammadAG | guess it's targeted for Maemo 6 | 03:22 |
| lcukn900 | speaking of which i went on the steepest slide i ever went on | 03:22 |
| lcukn900 | what you building | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | http://live.gnome.org/Rygel | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | meh | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | Specifically designed for GNOME (Mobile) and is therefore planned to be one of the key new features of Maemo platform in the Harmattan release. | 03:23 |
| lcukn900 | libgee is a gnome lib | 03:23 |
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| lcukn900 | libgee0 - GObject based collection library | 03:24 |
| lcukn900 | ? | 03:24 |
| * MohammadAG can't find that in scratchbox | 03:25 | |
| MohammadAG | or in Ubuntu | 03:25 |
| lcukn900 | i only have my device and std repos | 03:25 |
| * lcukn900 has nothing specia | 03:25 | |
| lcukn900 | apart from sand in tracys sliders | 03:25 |
| MohammadAG | you're special :P | 03:25 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Fun - 1024*768 display - http://wiki.maemo.org/Comparison_of_tablet_models | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Where is the edit button? :) | 03:26 |
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| lcukn900 | which model has that res | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | err - none | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - sorry - I see. | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - with a 1024*768 screen - load that page in a browser, and try to find the edit link. | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Or maybe it's just FF. | 03:27 |
| lcukn900 | ahh | 03:28 |
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| MohammadAG | that fails lol | 03:28 |
| MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Comparison_of_tablet_models&action=edit here you go | 03:28 |
| lcukn900 | we once tried to ensure all the layouts fitted t tablet res i think | 03:28 |
| lcukn900 | but it got hard | 03:29 |
| MohammadAG | can't find libglee0 | 03:29 |
| MohammadAG | could be in -devel | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yeah - I found it. | 03:29 |
| * MohammadAG checks | 03:29 | |
| * SpeedEvil ponders libglee. | 03:29 | |
| * SpeedEvil goes into a stirring cover of a Prince song. | 03:29 | |
| lcukn900 | oh ffs tracy likes glee too | 03:29 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders where to find a magazine. | 03:29 | |
| lcukn900 | shes having a good time rocking to angry birds extra levels tho so keeping music semi quiet | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | nope, not in devel grr | 03:30 |
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| MohammadAG | heh | 03:30 |
| lcukn900 | build it | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Angry birds is awesome. :) | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | you'd think I haven't tried that | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | E: Unable to find a source package for ligblee0 | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | off to some other devices, again | 03:31 |
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| lcukn900 | i keep thinking about a snake game using accel | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | lcukn900: There is one | 03:32 |
| lcukn900 | moh? other devices? | 03:32 |
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| lcukn900 | whats its name | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | lcukn900: Though I couldn't make sense of it | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | that may on reflection be as I was lying down. | 03:32 |
| lcukn900 | ... | 03:33 |
| lcukn900 | thats about as much fail as getting sand in your slider | 03:33 |
| lcukn900 | for context twitter.com/lcuk | 03:33 |
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| lcukn900 | anyway short stay. zoo tomorrow. | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | aha | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | snapy | 03:34 |
| lcukn900 | \o night | 03:35 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, haven't done it, but haven't forgotten. | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: np, I found your mail quite late as well | 03:36 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, just got back from my run tonight, gonna put together the spreadsheet later tonight | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw, SpeedEvil - I've seen you applied for a devel dev as well :-) fine! | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm using it way too much as an actual device. | 03:37 |
| GAN900 | Lot of good folks on that list | 03:38 |
| GAN900 | Wish I had bugged qgil about this earlier. | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | That I don't want to stop working for hours at a time. | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: exactly | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and then, you quite usually want to do such tests on a "clean" system, and that's equally annoying to whipe it, do the tests, then hope you can restore the every-day state | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Last time I did that - it wanted to download 600M over my connection which was then going at 16K/s. | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice :-S | 03:41 |
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| GAN900 | Aren't there imaging tools? | 03:46 |
| GAN900 | So you can just flash the clean image. | 03:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | you don't want to flash the clean image though | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | you want to unflash the unclean image to a nice safe place, flash the clean image, and then restore | 03:53 |
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| Termana | good morning | 04:08 |
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| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, oops | 04:24 |
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| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, that's what I meant | 04:24 |
| GAN900 | Image your install and flash that | 04:24 |
| GAN900 | instead of flashing the clean image. | 04:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes - One of the tasks on my todo list is an unflasher. | 04:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | But there are so many tasks on it. | 04:28 |
| b-man | hmm, people on talk.maemo.org are starting to pm me about Ubuntu and now Mer.. | 04:33 |
| SpeedEvil | why? | 04:34 |
| b-man | a member by the name of Dany-69 is trying to get Mer up and running on his N900 but isn't having any luck | 04:36 |
| b-man | and people want me to port Ubuntu to the N900 really badly | 04:36 |
| dotblank | b-man, why? | 04:36 |
| woglinde | lol | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | weirdos | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 04:38 |
| b-man | dotblank: because i ported ubuntu to the N800/N810 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25975 | 04:38 |
| b-man | who are you calling a weirdo, weirdo lol | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Can you port it to my other device - it's clearly better suited, as it's got a full keyboard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Z88 | 04:39 |
| dotblank | ubuntu's launchpad hates me.. its given me 10 rejections :( | 04:39 |
| b-man | LOL | 04:39 |
| dotblank | in the last 10 mins | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | b-man: I booted that a month ago - 4 AA's - came up in 10s, worked fine. | 04:40 |
| b-man | SpeedEvil: funny thing is, i've herd of a project that some guy started in the uk that's aimed at porting linux to those machines lol | 04:41 |
| b-man | i can't remember the source though | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | It's an 8 bit proc - not going to get much of the way of linux on that :) | 04:41 |
| b-man | yeah, try telling him that xD | 04:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | b-man: especially those who are trying to install a declared dead mer to N900 and then are surprised it doesn't work like a charm | 04:46 |
| Arkenoi | anyone seen conversation inbox widget being out of sync with conversations, messages that do not go away when you delete conversation or other inconsistencies? | 04:47 |
| b-man | DocScrutinizer: yeah - i hate it especially when they realize that and then start complaining aimlessly about it | 04:47 |
| b-man | there are too many rant threads on tmo these days - i kinda miss the old itt days... | 04:49 |
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| dsf | indeed. | 05:00 |
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| astruasdh | please... I'm using debootstrap to use my own debian with easy-chroot. what arch I am supposed to use for nokia n900 - arm or armel? | 05:14 |
| b-man | armel | 05:14 |
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| b-man | astruasdh: ^ | 05:15 |
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| astruasdh | thank you :) | 05:16 |
| b-man | np ;) | 05:16 |
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| astruasdh | I will repatition my n900. that 27 Gb vfat partition is weird. Is there some problem in remove such a partition and use a big /home? | 05:17 |
| b-man | you'd loose the /opt partition - so you wouldn't be able to install applications unless you formatted the whole partition as ext3 | 05:19 |
| b-man | and that would cause problems with the camera | 05:19 |
| b-man | and may mess up the rootfs if you have RP1.2 | 05:19 |
| astruasdh | pr1.2 is the latest update of 113.64 Mb? | 05:20 |
| b-man | yup | 05:20 |
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| astruasdh | what is the main purpose of MyDocs? Is there a special use? I'm asking this to determine a size for this partition | 05:22 |
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| b-man | astruasdh: MyDocs is mostly used for storing personal files such as music, pictures, documents, and in some cases, application cache | 05:24 |
| b-man | Application Manager uses it for package caching ;) | 05:24 |
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| astruasdh | got it... so it is more sane to keep MyDocs partition higher than /home one... what do u think? | 05:25 |
| b-man | astruasdh: /home isn't mounted to a partition, /home/user/MyDocs is the mountpoint for the 27GB partition | 05:26 |
| b-man | astruasdh: i'd recommend using an sd card - playing with the eMMC can be dangerous and may really mess up your device ;) | 05:27 |
| astruasdh | hmmm so all I need is to make MyDocs partition a little short (size=20GB) and ext3. that free unpartitioned space is for future use, like enlarge /usr or something like this | 05:27 |
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| astruasdh | b-man, ya, but I dont have one... I'm really annoyed with that vfat partition | 05:28 |
| astruasdh | b-man, hey... is it possible to remove the eMMC to backup it from an external pc in a safe way? | 05:29 |
| b-man | nope | 05:29 |
| b-man | it's a surface-mounted chip on the device's PCB | 05:30 |
| SwedeMike | so I just noticed that PR1.2 meant I can do the *number# semnatics to check balance on prepaid cards, really nice. I had to use another phone (swap sim cards) before to do those things | 05:32 |
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| SwedeMike | I've wondered what the name of that feature is? | 05:32 |
| astruasdh | b-man, got it! thank you very much! | 05:32 |
| SwedeMike | was very surprised when my 20 EUR nokia had it but my N900 didn't (before) :P | 05:32 |
| * b-man is going to bed - c ya later guys :) | 05:35 | |
| astruasdh | b-man, I will make MyDocs partition shorter and make it ext3. Can this break some app or is it ok to do that? | 05:35 |
| zChris | hello SwedeMike^^ | 05:35 |
| astruasdh | b-man, hmmm go there, thank you! | 05:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | astruasdh: it *should* be safe. Check ruskie's wiki page about repartitioning, or ask SpeedEvil | 05:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SwedeMike: USSD | 05:38 |
| SpeedEvil | I am going to sleep. | 05:38 |
| SpeedEvil | So no | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | astruasdh: IIRC SpeedEvil shrinked MyDocs to 4GB, and created an additional new partition ext3 on the freed up space | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | it seems 1.1.1->1.2 OTA upgrade has problems with that occasionally, otherwise it should just work | 05:42 |
| SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: thanks! | 05:42 |
| SwedeMike | now that I know that it's called USSD I found lots of information about it and the inclusion in PR1.2 :P | 05:44 |
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| astruasdh | ty guys | 05:54 |
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| astruasdh | DocScrutinizer, that sounds good... but using a vfat partition sounds kind of ugly for me. But I'm just speculating, because I have never analyzed that standard partitions | 05:57 |
| astruasdh | I like also to keep an unpartitioned space for future use | 05:58 |
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| astruasdh | hey... navigating through app manager, I saw 2 kernel-related apps to install (kernel-power, etc). Is such packages improves performance and/or energy consumption? | 06:08 |
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| SwedeMike | astruasdh: there is a custom kernel that allows to set voltages etc, so in combination with those tools you can experiment with undervoltage to save power. google and you'll find information. | 06:11 |
| Feuervogel | almost surprised how big this maemo channel is | 06:11 |
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| Feuervogel | anyone here done any overclocking of the n900? | 06:13 |
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| astruasdh | SwedeMike, ty :) | 06:15 |
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| astruasdh | is the e-mail read able to download just the unread e-mail using imap? | 06:17 |
| astruasdh | s/e-mail read/e-mail read app/ | 06:17 |
| infobot | astruasdh meant: is the e-mail read app able to download just the unread e-mail using imap? | 06:17 |
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| astruasdh | the best bot ever! hehe | 06:17 |
| astruasdh | s/e-mail using/e-mails using/ | 06:18 |
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| astruasdh | cya guys, ty | 06:20 |
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| asj | huh, the n900 volume keys work with the screen locked... | 06:25 |
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| luke-jr | asj: nice | 06:28 |
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| stuffz | hey hey | 06:41 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, yes, that was me. :P | 06:41 |
| stuffz | will the n900 I buy in the US work everywhere in europe too? | 06:41 |
| asj | yes | 06:43 |
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| stuffz | asj, so it has support for all of those channels, and I can easily switch to their providers? | 06:44 |
| stuffz | anything I should know ahead of time to avoid costs? | 06:44 |
| asj | get a local sim | 06:44 |
| stuffz | and use tmo in the US | 06:44 |
| asj | unless you don't like your money | 06:45 |
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| stuffz | I like my money | 06:46 |
| asj | local prepaid sims are good then | 06:46 |
| asj | might want to research who has the best rates | 06:46 |
| asj | (or coverage) | 06:46 |
| stuffz | sort of a trip across europe | 06:46 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: am I getting one, or just a mass mail to complete some database? | 06:46 |
| stuffz | and I'm going to switch from sprint right now | 06:46 |
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| luke-jr | stuffz: afaik, all Europe providers use the same channels | 06:47 |
| stuffz | instead of getting the evo4g and experiencing another 2 years od cdma old | 06:47 |
| stuffz | y | 06:47 |
| luke-jr | stuffz: I hear 3G is basically CDMA anyway | 06:47 |
| stuffz | what does that mean? | 06:47 |
| stuffz | is there a clever trick to use cmda in europe or something | 06:48 |
| luke-jr | stuffz: "it's all the same crap" | 06:48 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, I assume so. I'm not actually doing the mailing out, just collecting the requisite info for Quim, but everybody I've emailed I've done so with the intention of having them provided a loaner. | 06:48 |
| luke-jr | no, they're different just enough to break things I think | 06:48 |
| stuffz | well that's nice | 06:48 |
| Termana | stuffz, 3G (WCDMA/UMTS) is just an extension to the standard CDMA. | 06:48 |
| stuffz | well im comparing the n900 video performance to the evo 4g currently trying to decide | 06:49 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: I see. Thanks. Now I feel responsible for completing my N810 mainline port ;p | 06:49 |
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| luke-jr | or working on bits till it's complete anyhow | 06:49 |
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| luke-jr | would be nice if the next NIT had 4G support, including non-SIM-card services | 06:50 |
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| luke-jr | but then, I'd also want a bigger display at least :p | 06:52 |
| stuffz | luke-jr, the 4g is attracting me to the evo, especially since I'm currently with sprint, but I'm pretty close to changing over | 06:52 |
| luke-jr | why does Nokia only do one device at a time? | 06:52 |
| GAN900 | Research platform | 06:52 |
| luke-jr | still? | 06:53 |
| Termana | luke-jr, I'm planning to separate my patches for the patches from my n8x0 mainline port. | 06:53 |
| GAN900 | So there's not much of an investment behind it | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | I thought it left the "experimental" phase with N900 | 06:53 |
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| GAN900 | Should be changing with MeeGo | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | Termana: I think the difficult part is CBus | 06:53 |
| GAN900 | N900 is still experiment | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: does that mean two phones? :p | 06:53 |
| GAN900 | Thus why they're dropping support | 06:53 |
| GAN900 | Dunno | 06:53 |
| GAN900 | I can only hope | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | one for the "omg N900 is too big!" idiots, and one for "eck, too small!"? | 06:53 |
| GAN900 | Capacitive sucks | 06:53 |
| * luke-jr honestly has never used capacitive | 06:54 | |
| Termana | Right, I don't have intentions of pushing anything up mainline. But just making sure its usable for the MeeGo n8x0 project | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | Termana: :( | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | Termana: then we need to rinse and repeat every N kernel versions | 06:54 |
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| Termana | luke-jr, your free to try and push stuff out of my tree to mainline :P But I have my doubt, it would seem like a waste of time | 06:55 |
| Termana | doubts* | 06:55 |
| luke-jr | Termana: if it was done up front, we wouldn't have to be porting it now ;) | 06:56 |
| stuffz | how cheaply can the n900 be had for? | 06:56 |
| Termana | luke-jr, heh :P no | 06:56 |
| Termana | stuffz, I've found them on ebay for about $600 AUD | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | Termana: no? yes | 06:57 |
| stuffz | oh tat is a shitload | 06:57 |
| stuffz | might as well get the 4g for 200 | 06:57 |
| Termana | luke-jr, I mean, no we wouldn't have to be porting it if it was done up front | 06:57 |
| luke-jr | lol | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | yeah, 4G gets unlimited supposedly too | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | pretty sure there's no unlimited 3G in the US | 06:58 |
| Termana | It looks like most n900 stuff is going be up in mainline which is good | 06:59 |
| stuffz | but I;m thinking about swtiching from sprint just so I dont have to use a shit phone while backacking in europe | 06:59 |
| stuffz | (sprint = cdma only crap) | 07:00 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 07:00 |
| luke-jr | Nokia really improved that side for N900 I think | 07:00 |
| luke-jr | stuffz: not Sprint's fault Europe doesn't support CDMA phones | 07:01 |
| luke-jr | :p | 07:01 |
| stuffz | yeah, if you have any innovative solutions for me, then I'd happily consider them | 07:01 |
| stuffz | cdma is old tech afaik | 07:01 |
| stuffz | i.e. sprints fault that it doesnt use gsm | 07:01 |
| luke-jr | stuffz: GSM is older than CDMA I think | 07:02 |
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| luke-jr | 3G is a combination of both kinda | 07:02 |
| luke-jr | Sprint is plain CDMA as an early adopter, it seems to me | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | CDMA is the 3G before 3G :P | 07:03 |
| Termana | But Sprint has the EVO! | 07:03 |
| Termana | :D :P | 07:03 |
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| luke-jr | wtf is EVO | 07:03 |
| Termana | luke-jr obviously isn't up to snuff on tech news | 07:04 |
| Termana | the HTC EVO | 07:04 |
| stuffz | evo is first 4g phone | 07:04 |
| stuffz | and it is android | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | the only problem I have with Sprint is that they won't sell dataless plans for use with even semi-open phones | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | I don't really have $ for data plans here | 07:04 |
| Termana | Its like... the HTC HD2... except not Windows Mobile and its 4G | 07:04 |
| stuffz | yeah, im not sure what to get termana | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | but I would like an open phone so I can prepend all my calls with 1<mynumber><pause><mypassword>#<actualdestination> | 07:05 |
| stuffz | it wont work at all in europe where ill be for 2mo this summer | 07:05 |
| stuffz | so im thinking n900 | 07:05 |
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| stuffz | so long as i can get one for cheap | 07:05 |
| stuffz | im already with sprint | 07:05 |
| stuffz | and id like to change | 07:05 |
| Termana | stuffz, Nexus One! | 07:06 |
| Termana | stuffz, iPhone! | 07:06 |
| stuffz | what about them | 07:06 |
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| luke-jr | I'd be leaning toward finding a cheap Bluetooth-tetherable phone | 07:06 |
| Termana | stuffz, Samsung BADA phones | 07:06 |
| Termana | ! | 07:06 |
| stuffz | tetherable to what? | 07:06 |
| stuffz | cheap phone ----tether-----evo 4g? | 07:06 |
| luke-jr | to another smart device | 07:06 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 07:06 |
| luke-jr | like that | 07:06 |
| stuffz | no idea that worked | 07:06 |
| asj | why all the drama seriously? | 07:06 |
| luke-jr | stuffz: depends on the cheap phone I think | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | and Android | 07:07 |
| Termana | I don't think you can tether another phone to the EVO over Bluetooth etc. | 07:08 |
| Termana | (DUN) | 07:08 |
| asj | if I'm to have a smart phone I just want to whip it out and have ti work | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | Termana: then replace EVO Android with mainline + Gentoo | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | :D | 07:08 |
| Termana | :D | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | asj: sure, once you configure it | 07:08 |
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| Termana | <stuffz> what about them | 07:08 |
| asj | and I don't want to carry a belt full of crap | 07:08 |
| Termana | I'm just listing of different phones. No exact reason | 07:09 |
| Termana | :P | 07:09 |
| Termana | off* | 07:09 |
| luke-jr | asj: most cheap phones are small | 07:09 |
| stuffz | i can tell | 07:09 |
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| luke-jr | I could easily fit two N810s in a single pants pocket | 07:09 |
| asj | stuffz: what's your goal exactly? | 07:09 |
| stuffz | reduce costs while have the best | 07:09 |
| luke-jr | lol | 07:09 |
| asj | stuffz: there is no "the best" | 07:09 |
| stuffz | in terms of phone plans reduce costs | 07:09 |
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| stuffz | well my best | 07:09 |
| stuffz | Im a linux geek | 07:10 |
| stuffz | but Im currently on sprint | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | stuffz: I'm waiting. Nothing matches my best yet. | 07:10 |
| stuffz | and id consider switching to tmo for n900 | 07:10 |
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| asj | stuffz: ok, and does that solve the cost issue? | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | stuffz: be aware that Android and Maemo are not Linux, just Linux-based | 07:10 |
| stuffz | whats wrong with n900 luke-jr | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | N900 is too small, for a start | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | and doesn't support CDMA | 07:10 |
| asj | stuffz: he hates it or something, ignore him | 07:10 |
| stuffz | it solves buying a decent phone for two months of use in europe | 07:10 |
| simula_ | i wish my n900 had wimax, like the 810wimax version ;) | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | simula_: WiMax is rarer than iDEN :p | 07:11 |
| simula_ | luke-jr... in the seattle area we have clearwire.... a wimax isp | 07:11 |
| luke-jr | simula_: you also have Boost Mobile, an iDEN ISP :P | 07:11 |
| luke-jr | and they're not limited to Seattle | 07:11 |
| simula_ | clearwire is $30 for home and phone : | 07:12 |
| simula_ | : | 07:12 |
| asj | stuffz: ok, then buy it if it's what you want. I think ovi maps with pr1.2 is good enough to use while traveling to find restaurants and such, not as good as google maps, bt ok | 07:12 |
| stuffz | the evo 4g will be 200$ for me, but im not sure how much switching to tmo and getting the n900 will be | 07:12 |
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| luke-jr | asj: Ovi Maps work w/o Maemo? | 07:12 |
| Termana | luke-jr, your the first person to say Maemo is not based on Linux, expand your thinking | 07:12 |
| stuffz | ah, so l33t things like goog maps dont work, heh | 07:12 |
| asj | luke-jr: <boggle> | 07:12 |
| luke-jr | stuffz: if you don't buy the phone from TMO, they have $10/mo less | 07:12 |
| Termana | I've heard all the arguments of people saying Android is not Linux | 07:12 |
| stuffz | i heardthe n900 dual boots with android | 07:13 |
| luke-jr | Termana: I didn't say that, I said it IS based on Linux | 07:13 |
| luke-jr | stuffz: not really | 07:13 |
| Termana | Sorry rephrase my question, your the first person to say it isn't Linux, its linux based | 07:13 |
| luke-jr | Termana: maybe | 07:13 |
| asj | stuffz: the web site works just fine, but it's not as good as the symbian google maps client | 07:13 |
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| Termana | expand your thinking | 07:13 |
| luke-jr | Termana: it's no more Linux than Android is | 07:13 |
| asj | luke-jr: what's ubuntu? linux? | 07:13 |
| luke-jr | asj: AFAIK | 07:13 |
| luke-jr | at least, you can run Ubuntu with a Linux kernel | 07:14 |
| stuffz | maemo is more linux than android | 07:14 |
| luke-jr | Maemo will complain it's missing non-standard /proc entries etc | 07:14 |
| Termana | In what way, its uses 'linux' userland mostly AFAIK | 07:14 |
| * asj boggles | 07:14 | |
| luke-jr | Termana: Linux is a kernel, not a userland | 07:14 |
| Termana | Although it replaces things like GNU tools with, say like, Busybox | 07:14 |
| asj | ok, I'll stop feeding the troll | 07:14 |
| luke-jr | asj: it's "Linux" if it can boot/etc with mainline | 07:15 |
| Termana | luke-jr, right, but whats your argument that Maemo is NOT Linux, just Linux-based | 07:15 |
| Termana | I assume this: | 07:15 |
| Termana | <luke-jr> asj: it's "Linux" if it can boot/etc with mainline | 07:15 |
| luke-jr | Termana: Maemo cannot boot with mainline | 07:15 |
| luke-jr | see /proc/bootreason, etc | 07:15 |
| asj | luke-jr: my laptop can't boot with mainline, it can run ubuntu | 07:15 |
| Termana | Which just sounds like crap and semantics and the same bullshit people try to say about Android | 07:16 |
| luke-jr | asj: that's your laptop, not Ubuntu, at fault | 07:16 |
| luke-jr | Termana: I said Android isn't Linux either :P | 07:16 |
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| asj | luke-jr: ubuntu doesn't use mainline. btw, why are you even on this irc channel? | 07:16 |
| Termana | luke-jr, right, but your arguing that if you have out-of-tree patches in your kernel, your not using Linux, just linux-based | 07:16 |
| stuffz | fucking lockin | 07:16 |
| stuffz | lose lose situation | 07:16 |
| luke-jr | asj: Ubuntu won't fail to boot if you run mainline | 07:17 |
| stuffz | are these craigslist n900 for ~$300 possible/legit? | 07:17 |
| luke-jr | Termana: no, I'm arguing if your userland depends on functionality not present in mainline, and won't boot with mainline, then it's not Linux | 07:17 |
| asj | luke-jr: this is the dumbest aregument I've ever heard | 07:17 |
| luke-jr | Termana: in other words, even after the N8x0/N900 hardware is supported 100% by mainline Linux, the Maemo userland will STILL refuse to boot with it | 07:18 |
| Termana | asj, I think what he is saying is legitimate enough. I'm not going to say weather I agree or not, but he is making a legitimate argument | 07:18 |
| luke-jr | Ubuntu might ship a patched derivative of Linux, but if you replace it with a vanilla kernel, it WILL still boot and work | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | I'm glad Nokia is aiming to get N900 hardware supported by Linux. That's all I really care about on their end anyway. | 07:20 |
| luke-jr | hopefully MeeGo will be tolerant of vanilla Linux kernels, solving the easy half | 07:20 |
| asj | Termana: he's arguing that if I change the kernel source to deal with a different boot loader/init routine to deal with some particularities of some hardware, yet leave 99.99% of the code unchanged it's not linux. | 07:20 |
| luke-jr | asj: no, I'm not arguing that at all with regard to MeeGo | 07:21 |
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| luke-jr | asj: I'm arguing if you change the kernel to have a new syscall that you never merge to mainline, and your userland refuses to boot without that syscall supported, your overall OS can't be said to be Linux | 07:22 |
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| luke-jr | because if you boot Linux, your OS will refuse to start | 07:22 |
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| stuffz | http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ele/1769942540.html this look legit? | 07:23 |
| stuffz | under $300 for a n900... | 07:23 |
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| luke-jr | in your example, if you claimed your bootloader supported Linux, I'd argue with that ;) | 07:23 |
| luke-jr | stuffz: well, now it's taken ;) | 07:23 |
| asj | stuffz: if you want to be screwed by a 2 year contract, why not just buy the device outright? | 07:23 |
| luke-jr | screwed? | 07:24 |
| stuffz | is it that much worse | 07:24 |
| luke-jr | how many people aren't going to have 2 years of service? | 07:24 |
| stuffz | ill need service anyway, so it seems reasonable | 07:24 |
| luke-jr | stuffz: the catch is, T-Mobile charges more for subsidized phones | 07:24 |
| asj | stuffz: but what is the service? it's neve mentioned | 07:24 |
| stuffz | he n900 is subsidized? | 07:25 |
| luke-jr | on the other hand, the difference between T-Mobile subsidized Nexus One and standalone Nexus One + T-Mobile no-phone service, makes the subsidized cheaper still | 07:26 |
| luke-jr | stuffz: ... that's the meaning of cheaper-phone-with-contract | 07:26 |
| asj | and if the phone ends up locked you can't change carriers or use to travel to europe | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | asj: they're advertising unlocked | 07:27 |
| Termana | luke-jr, on an unrelated topic I'd like to hear your argument of OS X not containing BSD (from the other day). To my knowledge, there is the BSD Subsystem and while it can be removed, it is actually required for some pieces of OS functionality. | 07:29 |
| asj | http://www.wi-so.com/All%20Tabs/even-more-plans.htm -- not good smart phone plans... | 07:29 |
| Termana | Not an OS X user, but you said I had been 'tricked into believing BSD code is in OS X' | 07:30 |
| luke-jr | Termana: I think you mean FreeBSD. | 07:30 |
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| luke-jr | IIRC, OS X has some BSD roots, but not via FreeBSD | 07:30 |
| luke-jr | and certainly not direct | 07:30 |
| luke-jr | OS X is based on NeXTStep | 07:30 |
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| Termana | luke-jr, NeXTStep pulled BSD code from FreeBSD and NetBSD to my knowledge. And collaboration efforts go on between FreeBSD and Apple currently (eg. Grand Central Dispatch) | 07:31 |
| konfoo | stuffz: 300 is maybe legit if its off the back of a truck or was a dev phone | 07:33 |
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| Termana | On another kind of unrelated note - BSD for n8x0/n900 anyone? :P Seriously though, in comparison to Linux, ARM efforts are seriously lacking on the BSD side | 07:34 |
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| konfoo | sounds like a waste of time | 07:35 |
| Termana | konfoo, BSD for n8x0/n900? Well actually I was joking. But it would be interesting to see it done. | 07:36 |
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| Dotblank2 | will garage host projects that may violate DMCA? | 07:48 |
| slonopotamus | until someone complains about violation :) | 07:48 |
| Dotblank2 | worried my grooveshark client would be suspect | 07:49 |
| slonopotamus | :/ | 07:49 |
| konfoo | like my pandora client that rips the tracks? :P | 07:49 |
| konfoo | just host it somewhere else...? | 07:49 |
| Dotblank2 | konfoo, yea basically | 07:49 |
| Dotblank2 | https://launchpad.net/~eliaswoods/+archive/groove | 07:50 |
| Dotblank2 | that may have to get taken down tho | 07:50 |
| Dotblank2 | *if they complain | 07:50 |
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| luke-jr | konfoo: hey, with git it's just a re-push | 08:01 |
| konfoo | dotblank: i dont even host my ripper online anymore.. any reason why you're even sharing it with the world? | 08:01 |
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| astruasdh | please, what is the difference between easy-debian and easy-chroot? I'm planning to use my own Debian distro; is easy-chroot sufficient for chrooting into the image and use debbie to run image's apps? | 08:33 |
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| luke-jr | so my N810 was literally too hot to hold... | 08:47 |
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| Feuervogel | luke-jr my n900 gets frighteningly hot when it charges | 08:49 |
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| luke-jr | it was charging on my car's dashboard in the sun on a hot day | 08:50 |
| Feuervogel | that'll do it | 08:50 |
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| luke-jr | hmm, found 3 GB of 5 year old swap files | 08:51 |
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| MiXu- | lol | 08:51 |
| MiXu- | Save them. Maybe in the future there's technology that can bring them back to life! | 08:52 |
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| luke-jr | assuming "they" exist | 08:52 |
| Feuervogel | just like walt disney... | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | dunno, I kinda prefer 3 GB of free space right now | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | the whole reason I found them at all was because I'm compressing my old system image >_< | 08:53 |
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| Feuervogel | how much space does the 810 have? | 08:53 |
| luke-jr | this is on my desktop box | 08:53 |
| Feuervogel | oic | 08:53 |
| luke-jr | but fwiw, N810's internal SD is 2 GB | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | NAND memory is like 256 MB or so IIRC | 08:54 |
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| Feuervogel | not too shabby. certainly beats what the 770 had | 08:56 |
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| piku | {(°)}-}--}--- COME TO NECRON! We have a goat! ~ irc.necron.org | 09:35 |
| piku | {(°)}-}--}--- COME TO NECRON! We have a goat! ~ irc.necron.org | 09:35 |
| piku | {(°)}-}--}--- COME TO NECRON! We have a goat! ~ irc.necron.org | 09:35 |
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| swc|666 | die | 09:35 |
| timeless_mbp | http://people.mozilla.org/~jdaggett/images/ex7-aera20100607-p26-ipad.png | 09:36 |
| timeless_mbp | does the picture at the top left look like an n900? | 09:36 |
| konfoo | no, see the 3 buttons on the right side | 09:37 |
| fragment | it also says "Dell Streak" :) | 09:38 |
| konfoo | :P | 09:38 |
| konfoo | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/02/dells-streak-the-harbinger-of-smartphone-tablet-hybrids/?src=busln oh snap | 09:39 |
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| konfoo | also: linking to an ipad. sheesh. | 09:40 |
| pupnik | sell streak = listening to us old hands at internettablettalk.com | 09:41 |
| pupnik | dell | 09:41 |
| jscinoz_ | hmm... telepathy-idle and the conversations application do not like 400 people in one room | 09:41 |
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| konfoo | pupnik: is there anyone here not an old hand? ;) | 09:42 |
| pupnik | n.c. | 09:42 |
| konfoo | nod. | 09:42 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/03/nokia_bicycle/ <-- hmm | 09:50 |
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| pupnik | it is fun how defensive apple users get when you point out the ball and chain on their ankle | 09:56 |
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| Feuervogel | http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/04/sony-ericsson-prepping-a-5-inch-android-phone-with-qwerty-keyboa/ <-- mmm qwerty | 09:59 |
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| Feuervogel | urg. wrong channel. though. i guess it's somewhat applicable here | 10:00 |
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| Duvelhedz | ping muelli | 10:08 |
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| zaheerm | X-Fade, ping | 10:45 |
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| pupnik | oops, "nice mv foo bar" seems to be very slow | 10:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 10:51 |
| BCMM | cpu-bound mv? wtf? | 10:53 |
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| jacekowski | that's way how nice schedules things | 10:55 |
| jacekowski | so cpu probably goes to 0Hz | 10:56 |
| pupnik | perhaps the nice level makes it unresponsive to an event | 10:56 |
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| pupnik | i havent benchmarked yet. waiting hours to move 4gB to SD | 10:57 |
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| kkb1101 | Is Maemo still being developed??? I thought it's dead now | 11:00 |
| Appiah | kkb1101: why would it be? | 11:00 |
| Appiah | there are things that needs to be fixed... | 11:00 |
| kkb1101 | because it's not merged | 11:00 |
| kkb1101 | now | 11:00 |
| Appiah | merged? | 11:00 |
| kkb1101 | oh ok. | 11:00 |
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| SwedeMike | stuff being developed for maemo right now should still be valuable for meego, I'd imagine? | 11:01 |
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| SwedeMike | so there is little reason to freeze development for maemo | 11:01 |
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| kkb1101 | but I guess there is no more big innovative update am I right? | 11:02 |
| Appiah | umm | 11:02 |
| Appiah | how can you be so sure? | 11:02 |
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| Appiah | did you read some rumor on a blog or something | 11:02 |
| kkb1101 | because devices from now on will have meego instead of maemo.. I think | 11:02 |
| kkb1101 | no | 11:02 |
| Appiah | or do you have a nokia annoucment saying so? | 11:02 |
| kkb1101 | that is just my thought but.. isn't it right? | 11:03 |
| Appiah | what's right? | 11:04 |
| jacekowski | there was announcment | 11:04 |
| Appiah | saying that maemo would be freezed? | 11:04 |
| kkb1101 | I haven't read that | 11:04 |
| jacekowski | there will be no new devices with maemo | 11:04 |
| jacekowski | and n900 will not have meego | 11:04 |
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| Appiah | but that does not say that the development for maemo will be frozen.. | 11:05 |
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| jacekowski | but it means nobody will care what happens to maemo | 11:06 |
| Macer | :( | 11:06 |
| kkb1101 | I'm surprised that n900 can't be upgraded to meego. | 11:06 |
| Feuervogel | meego on arm is still kinda in its infancy though isn't it? | 11:06 |
| Appiah | you can install whatever you want on n900 | 11:06 |
| Macer | there is an announcement? | 11:06 |
| Macer | where? | 11:06 |
| * Appiah sees no link | 11:06 | |
| mece | kkb1101, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53551 | 11:07 |
| Appiah | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ | 11:07 |
| Feuervogel | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 <-- | 11:08 |
| kkb1101 | Appiah: I'm not sure which one is true http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2010/03/15/nokia-n900-not-upgradeable-to-meego/ | 11:08 |
| kkb1101 | brb | 11:08 |
| Appiah | kkb1101: just beacuse you cant "upgrade" does not mean you can install meego or whatever you want on your n900 | 11:08 |
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| Macer | wow | 11:09 |
| Macer | that is sad | 11:09 |
| mece | Macer, what is sad? | 11:09 |
| Macer | the lack of plans for meego on n900 | 11:09 |
| libben | im trying to update my n900. it says i dont have memory for it.. how do i clean up so i can install the 113 mb update? | 11:09 |
| Surfa | plan is that there won't be such? | 11:10 |
| Appiah | nokias plans? | 11:10 |
| Surfa | very strict plan imo | 11:10 |
| Appiah | we still have the community.. | 11:10 |
| mece | libben, it's the rootfs that it complains about. | 11:10 |
| Appiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space libben | 11:10 |
| TomaszD | X-Fade, ping | 11:10 |
| Macer | like the n900 will get the non official scraps | 11:10 |
| mece | libben, disable extras, extras-testing and extras-devel and try again | 11:10 |
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| Surfa | libben, on rootfs you have too little space, check web instrcutions | 11:10 |
| Appiah | ~rootfs | 11:10 |
| Macer | if nokia does that i swear i will never buy another nokia ever | 11:10 |
| infobot | somebody said rootfs was mount ro, but all the nessary files that need to be writen to are created in a ramdisk that is rw | 11:10 |
| * Appiah throws rocks on infobot | 11:10 | |
| Surfa | Macer, may i ask reason for that? | 11:11 |
| Macer | this will be my last one they are pulling a sega | 11:11 |
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| till- | well nokia didn't release maemo5 for my n800 as well | 11:11 |
| Macer | Surfa: because they are rolling with intel crap and leaving faithful consumers in the dust | 11:11 |
| Appiah | buuuhuuu | 11:11 |
| Macer | ditching the n900 :) | 11:11 |
| Macer | i could understand if it was old hardware | 11:12 |
| Appiah | nokia wants to make more products and make more money , THOSE BASTARDS | 11:12 |
| Macer | but to ditch it while it is rolling | 11:12 |
| Appiah | who could have thought? | 11:12 |
| Macer | Appiah: uhm | 11:12 |
| * Appiah ducks | 11:12 | |
| libben | arent n900 getting hacked meegos from the community in a later stage? | 11:12 |
| Macer | at the expense of people who bought their product. | 11:13 |
| Appiah | libben: it is atm | 11:13 |
| Macer | ? | 11:13 |
| Macer | :) | 11:13 |
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| Macer | like i said they pulled a sega | 11:13 |
| libben | a bit more stable hacked release i mean =) | 11:13 |
| Macer | symbian is crap | 11:13 |
| Appiah | people been putting ubuntu and other dists on their n900 | 11:13 |
| Appiah | why wouldnt they try meego? | 11:13 |
| jacekowski | all in chroot | 11:14 |
| Macer | i will wait for meefail | 11:14 |
| Macer | which will suck :) and watch nokia switch to android in 2 years | 11:14 |
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| Macer | any takers on starting a pool for the day this will happen? | 11:15 |
| Surfa | actually n900 is pretty old hw :P | 11:15 |
| libben | it performs well thougj | 11:15 |
| Surfa | and it has nothing to do with intel, your reasoning has huge holes | 11:15 |
| libben | though | 11:15 |
| libben | so it doesnt matter | 11:16 |
| Macer | Surfa: if you say so | 11:16 |
| Macer | 2 years | 11:16 |
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| Macer | android for nokia after releasing crappy phone OSes | 11:16 |
| Surfa | 2 years in mobile devices is very long time still | 11:16 |
| Macer | and abandoning their consumers for the next possible thing | 11:17 |
| Trewas | getting the open source parts of meego to n900 won't necessarily be that great if nokia's n9x0 will have large part of the user visible stuff as closed source, like in n900 | 11:17 |
| Macer | Trewas: it will be like mer | 11:17 |
| Macer | stuck because of psuedo-open hw | 11:17 |
| Macer | :) | 11:17 |
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| Macer | ah well.. time to look for a new phone and sell this thing while i have the chance | 11:18 |
| Surfa | Macer, well, maemo5 will run through normal lifecycle, so abandoning is false statement also | 11:18 |
| Macer | Surfa: a shortened life cycle | 11:18 |
| Surfa | shortened from what to what? | 11:18 |
| Surfa | or is that just personal opinion? | 11:19 |
| psycho_oreos | android isn't a true linux, period | 11:19 |
| libben | i love my n900 | 11:19 |
| Macer | Surfa: time will tell... nokia is jumping on the bandwagon and dont have the os to do it | 11:19 |
| libben | next phone will be similar and with meego hopefully | 11:19 |
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| Macer | trying to play catch up to the iphone market so throwing whatever they can out there hoping it catches on | 11:20 |
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| Surfa | Macer, ok, so you have just hard feelings, try think facts through too :) | 11:20 |
| Macer | this strategy will make nokia the next palm | 11:20 |
| Macer | :) | 11:20 |
| psycho_oreos | heard of: saturated advertisement? | 11:20 |
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| Macer | psycho_oreos: iphone is not such a good seller simply from marketing | 11:21 |
| Surfa | your n900 won't stop working as has been said to people like million times, it will have meego as community release, it will have maemo5 roadmapped releases | 11:21 |
| Macer | say what you want but at the time it really was innovating | 11:21 |
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| Macer | and whatevwer anybody says.. the rest of the market is simply playing catch up | 11:22 |
| Macer | and i dont like apple :) | 11:22 |
| petteri | I love my n900 and can't wait for the next nokia device | 11:22 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, afaik it was, and they made it so all the people crave for it like mcdonalds. Plus iphone wasn't the only phone that featured touchscreen | 11:22 |
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| Surfa | Macer, i just say thing the way they are | 11:23 |
| Surfa | you are just having too much feelings right now,drop them and check the picture again | 11:23 |
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| Macer | psycho_oreos: sure sure. the typical anti iphone argument | 11:23 |
| Macer | "the commercials made the world do it" | 11:24 |
| Macer | not the fact it was the most intuitive interface for a touchscreen at the time not requiring a stylus | 11:24 |
| Surfa | i personally prefer stylus over finger touch | 11:25 |
| Surfa | i kind of hate finger touching in general | 11:25 |
| psycho_oreos | stylus on n900 wasn't a mandatory feature, it was only for those with who wants to do some artwork or to finely select certain words, actions | 11:25 |
| Macer | psycho_oreos: or click on links without zooming in? | 11:25 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, there's pinky finger for that unless you have dick fingers :) | 11:26 |
| Macer | anyways. 2 years... nokia will be late yet again in jumping on the android bandwagon | 11:26 |
| Macer | after meefail | 11:26 |
| Macer | nite :) sleep time | 11:26 |
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| psycho_oreos | android again, isn't a true linux OS | 11:27 |
| Macer | didnt say it was | 11:27 |
| psycho_oreos | err true linux based distro/platform | 11:27 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm sure people who bought maemo knew to some extent maemo was no conventional phone :P | 11:27 |
| Macer | just saying what will be left after abandonments and failure | 11:27 |
| RST38bis | <yawn> | 11:28 |
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| Macer | HI RST38bis ! :) | 11:28 |
| psycho_oreos | more like a curse than a prediction | 11:28 |
| Macer | psycho_oreos: we will see ;) | 11:28 |
| RST38bis | moo, Macer | 11:28 |
| Macer | you can say you told me so | 11:29 |
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| zaheerm | Trewas, there is a community effort to get harmattan inluding nokia binaries etc onto n900 that Stskeeps is leading | 11:29 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, no if that happens I'll be happy to own a properly linux powered phone, I've lost many chances in the past and I'm sure I won't lose that many more in the future. meego will be very interesting | 11:29 |
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| frals | nice feature in outlook.. "would you like to send a read receipt: yes/no", i press no.. read receipt still gets sent | 11:30 |
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| Stskeeps | TomaszD: no, at stilo | 11:31 |
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| mece | frals, lol | 11:32 |
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| TomaszD | Stskeeps, what? | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: not at home, in the middle of nowhered | 11:49 |
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| TomaszD | umm, k | 11:53 |
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| Appiah | sez peppa bay plz | 11:56 |
| Appiah | ops | 11:56 |
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| X-Fade | zaheerm: ping? | 12:14 |
| zaheerm | X-Fade, we're having a problem with a package in the autobuilder | 12:15 |
| zaheerm | X-Fade, builds fine in scratchbox on multiple machines in armel root | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: Yes, usually this happens when your control or rules file is broken. | 12:16 |
| zaheerm | X-Fade, summary.log shows it is after dpkg-checkbuilddeps that it stops | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: binary-predeb/gstreamer0.10-plugins-musepack:: | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: Is that valid? | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: Double colon? | 12:17 |
| zaheerm | X-Fade, aah no idea that could be it | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: Hmm no, that seems to be in more places. | 12:17 |
| zaheerm | yah i have the same in -vp8 and that worked | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: In control you have duplicate fields btw. | 12:18 |
| twouters | barisione: I just installed contacts-merger (but didn't enable extras-devel for it, I downloaded the .deb and installed that one) but now I get an internal application error when I want to find duplicates | 12:19 |
| barisione | twouters: another person told me the same | 12:20 |
| barisione | twouters: and he is debugging it atm | 12:20 |
| pillar_ | twouters: did you reboot? | 12:20 |
| barisione | twouters: where the other person is zaheerm :) | 12:20 |
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| twouters | pillar_: yes | 12:20 |
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| zaheerm | X-Fade, thx looking at that | 12:20 |
| twouters | barisione: thanks | 12:21 |
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| pupnik | http://chinagrabber.com/feiyang-n8-touch-3-4-dual-band-cell-phone-w-wifi-tv-dual-standby.aspx Nokia N8 knockoff $139 said :) | 12:22 |
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| TomaszD | X-Fade, I have a security-related question. Is it true that anyone with devel access can build anyone's package in the autobuilder? | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: Yes. | 12:24 |
| TomaszD | so the maintainer requests are... for what? | 12:24 |
| pupnik | two 900mah batteries? would be awesome to hotswap batteries without reboot | 12:25 |
| TomaszD | which btw still don't work | 12:25 |
| X-Fade | Promotion etc. | 12:25 |
| zaheerm | so you can promote the packages | 12:25 |
| TomaszD | ah | 12:25 |
| pupnik | hey nokia, next innovation | 12:25 |
| TomaszD | so extras-devel is a wild west of sorts | 12:25 |
| pupnik | battery swap without reboot | 12:25 |
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| X-Fade | TomaszD: I'm debugging the request issue. As it works for most packages, but bugs for the vp8 one. | 12:25 |
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| TomaszD | it bugs for mkv, vp8 and flv too as zaheerm didn't get any mail | 12:26 |
| TomaszD | not that we need this now really, as decoders-support will pull those packages automatically anyway | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | yeah, something in those packages triggers something. | 12:26 |
| TomaszD | but we need this last gstreamer package to build damn it :) | 12:27 |
| X-Fade | And I didn't see this issue before on any other package. | 12:27 |
| TomaszD | ok :) | 12:27 |
| X-Fade | Maybe it is scared of zaheer. | 12:27 |
| TomaszD | it's also scared of me apparently | 12:27 |
| X-Fade | And it doesn't want to bother him. | 12:27 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: As you might have noticed, I could request maintainer for your package without problems. | 12:28 |
| TomaszD | yeah, noticed | 12:28 |
| TomaszD | so that was you heh | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | But not for zaheer's. | 12:28 |
| zaheerm | X-Fade, you're a star | 12:30 |
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| zaheerm | X-Fade, it got past that stage now in autobuilder removing the dup fields | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: Cool. Yeah, silent failure is not great. | 12:30 |
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| X-Fade | zaheerm: Btw debian/optify -> auto might help ;) | 12:31 |
| zaheerm | ok noted :) | 12:31 |
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| X-Fade | Will save users some space on rootfs. | 12:32 |
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| zaheerm | its TomaszD's package that i'm helping fix :) | 12:32 |
| X-Fade | Ah so we need to blame and shame TomaszD then :) | 12:32 |
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| TomaszD | oh boy | 12:34 |
| TomaszD | :) | 12:34 |
| zlimvos | heya all, has anyone tried to copy paste into xterm when logging with vnc to the n900? | 12:34 |
| TomaszD | first of all, I don't think it's a good idea to put gstreamer plugins on slower memory | 12:35 |
| TomaszD | :P | 12:35 |
| TomaszD | so it's intentionally non-optified | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | It is only initial startup cost. Won't hurt performance on runtime. | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | It is not like these libs are being loaded 1000 times a second ;) | 12:36 |
| TomaszD | sometimes I'm not so sure about this :P | 12:36 |
| TomaszD | anyway, yeah, I think we can optify things later, these .so files are very small anyway | 12:37 |
| TomaszD | once we merge with ogg-support it'll be on my radar | 12:37 |
| SpeedEvil | TomaszD: It's not slower. | 12:38 |
| moo---_ | hey all | 12:38 |
| moo---_ | are there offline blogging apps for n900? | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | TomaszD: Both / and the mmc go at about 13Mbytes/s read | 12:38 |
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| barisione | twouters: I found where zaheerm's problem is and I will fix it | 12:40 |
| barisione | hopefully it will fix also your crasher | 12:40 |
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| X-Fade | moo---_: MaStory | 12:40 |
| X-Fade | moo---_: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/mastory | 12:40 |
| moo---_ | looks good | 12:41 |
| moo---_ | need to test drive it tonight | 12:41 |
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| corecode | how's the host mode going? | 12:41 |
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| Appiah | think there's a thread for that | 12:42 |
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| Appiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode | 12:42 |
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| phellarv | Hmmm - I just got an idea - I've got USB-port on my Car-Stereo - Wonder if it can be used as an car-charger... | 12:43 |
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| jacekowski | that's for n8x0 | 12:43 |
| jacekowski | corecode: well, apparently it's working | 12:43 |
| jacekowski | phellarv: it can | 12:44 |
| Appiah | "Note: The N900 does not support USB Host-mode/OTG. See discussion for details., as well as On usb on the n900" | 12:44 |
| Appiah | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31921 | 12:44 |
| jacekowski | corecode: mohammadAG managed to get it working | 12:44 |
| jacekowski | corecode: now it's about making it into nice package | 12:44 |
| jacekowski | but hardest part is done | 12:45 |
| Appiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host | 12:45 |
| Dima202 | Anyone here have n900 and ssh tunneling working? | 12:46 |
| Appiah | define ssh tunnel Dima202 | 12:46 |
| Dima202 | I want to vnc to desktop via ssh tunnel | 12:46 |
| Ikarus | USB Host mode is not quite working | 12:46 |
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| jacekowski | Ikarus: it's working | 12:47 |
| Ikarus | it still requires crashing the OTG statemachine which is not that great | 12:47 |
| Appiah | Dima202: and the problem is.? | 12:47 |
| jacekowski | corecode: and n900 can push 200mA | 12:47 |
| Dima202 | u GET NO SUCH IDENTITY: /HOME/USER/.SSH/ID_DSA | 12:47 |
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| Dima202 | sorry about caps | 12:47 |
| phellarv | Dima202: ssh-keygen is your friend | 12:47 |
| Dima202 | I get that error while trying to use id_dsa.pub | 12:47 |
| corecode | jacekowski: sweet | 12:47 |
| Appiah | need to fix your keys Dima202 .. | 12:48 |
| Ikarus | jacekowski: I don't call it working until it is doable without the OTG abuse, given that that procedure just isn't great | 12:48 |
| Dima202 | I tried no keyphrase but then it asks me for a password | 12:48 |
| phellarv | Dima202: ssh -vvv | 12:49 |
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| Dima202 | when i do use a keyphrase it asks me for it and when it's wrong it repeatedly asks me if i enter correct it just saysPermmission denied (public key) | 12:49 |
| Dima202 | phellarv: yeah that's where I am getting the info from | 12:49 |
| jacekowski | Ikarus: otg is incompatible with normall host mode so it will never work according to your definition | 12:49 |
| phellarv | Permissions on .ssh? | 12:49 |
| phellarv | Dima202: ~/.ssh I mean | 12:50 |
| phellarv | and on the files? | 12:50 |
| Dima202 | user read/write | 12:51 |
| SwedeMike | I'd like to be able to use a serial port connected to my N900, but I guess it's out of the question. Thought about bluetooth equivalent, but never checked it out further. | 12:52 |
| Ikarus | SwedeMike: actually UART 3 is exposed in the battery bay | 12:53 |
| Ikarus | we just don't know on which pins :) | 12:53 |
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| SwedeMike | Ikarus: well, I'd like to have it user friendly, not hackable :P | 12:53 |
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| Ikarus | bluetooth serial devices work fine though | 12:54 |
| Ikarus | bit expensive | 12:54 |
| alterego | hrm, Python startup times still an issue then :/ | 12:54 |
| phellarv | Dima202: 700 on .ssh, and 644 on id_dsa.pub | 12:54 |
| phellarv | Dima202: Btw - are you sure the ssh-server allows DSA? | 12:54 |
| jacekowski | n900's ssh server allows dsa | 12:55 |
| Ikarus | SwedeMike: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8495 or the like (there are cheaper ones and battery powered ones, etc) | 12:55 |
| satmd | 0600 on the files within .ssh/ | 12:55 |
| Dima202 | I'm using freeSSHd for windows, it should | 12:55 |
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| satmd | also make sure owner and group are correct | 12:56 |
| satmd | sshd is strict about that | 12:56 |
| kwtm | Hi. Just got my n900, trying to get used to it. Ok to ask for tips here for beginner, or go elsewhere? (No one is awake at #n900.) | 12:56 |
| SwedeMike | Ikarus: what software would be used to talk to it? | 12:57 |
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| SwedeMike | wow, 80 USD... not cheap at all :P | 12:57 |
| Ikarus | SwedeMike: hey, it was the first shop I remembered having them | 12:58 |
| Ikarus | far from the cheapest | 12:58 |
| Ikarus | SwedeMike: you can just use minicom or the like | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: what are you wanting it for? | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: USB host mode is a work in progress. | 12:58 |
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| SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: I want to be able to talk terminal 9600 8N1 with devices sometimes. | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: Wait a couple of weeks, and you might have the ability to just use USB serial | 12:58 |
| SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: nice. | 12:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | All you need is the stock cable, and a gender bender. | 12:59 |
| SwedeMike | sounds good, I already have a usb serial thingie for my pc | 13:00 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: where you can get gender bender? | 13:00 |
| Ikarus | otoh, the bluetooth adapters are nice for NOT having to stand behind hot equipment racks | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: thailand. | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: because i bought 2 cables and i was thinking about soldering them myself | 13:00 |
| Dima202 | phellarv: i tried 644 on id_dsa but it gives me a warning that it's too insecure so it won't even touch it | 13:00 |
| SwedeMike | I am actually in Thailand right now :P | 13:00 |
| phellarv | Dima202: Oh | 13:01 |
| phellarv | Hmmm | 13:01 |
| * SpeedEvil is not questioning SwedeMikes gender. | 13:01 | |
| SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: there are enough ladyboys here already :P | 13:02 |
| Dima202 | phellarv: not on .pub.. n900 wont even use .pub for authentication.. that's for the public key for the ssh server | 13:02 |
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| Dima202 | I get the following PEM_read_PrivateKey failed and read PEM private key done: type <unknown> then it asks me for my /.ssh/id_rsa passphrase | 13:04 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250641334947 | 13:04 |
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| Dima202 | i'll just pastebin the whole thing | 13:05 |
| Dima202 | maybe someone can read it better the i | 13:05 |
| Dima202 | pastebin.com/W2Xx9Jn9 | 13:07 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: that's HK not uk | 13:07 |
| jacekowski | besides, i'm just looking at that host mode post | 13:07 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Err - so? | 13:07 |
| jacekowski | [2010-06-02 18:33:04] <MohammadAG> echo e > /proc/driver/musb_hdrc | 13:07 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: takes like a month to deliver | 13:08 |
| jacekowski | and i don't see 'e' in musb_proc_write | 13:08 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Or you can pay the seller an extra $20, and get it in a week | 13:08 |
| jacekowski | well, that's more than i'm willing to pay | 13:08 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: however - I'm sure there are others available - that was simply the first one I found when searching for f-f | 13:08 |
| jacekowski | i'll solder my own cable | 13:09 |
| Dima202 | well.. it just crashed | 13:09 |
| jacekowski | i already have cables | 13:09 |
| Dima202 | and not its working | 13:09 |
| Dima202 | now* it IS working? | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: yeah - I meant for normal users. | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: you're not normal. | 13:09 |
| Dima202 | sorry to waste your time | 13:10 |
| Dima202 | must be a windows thing | 13:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | Dima202: If nobody could waste anyone elses time, where would IRC be? | 13:11 |
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| Dima202 | hah | 13:11 |
| sECuRE | hm, what is the recommended way to store settings when using qt to develop applications? still gconf? is there a wrapper? | 13:13 |
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| frals | qsettings i think? | 13:16 |
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| sECuRE | frals: alright, thanks | 13:18 |
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| alterego | sECuRE: I just used .ini files :D | 13:20 |
| alterego | anyhow, shower time. | 13:21 |
| PolarFox | http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/04/nexus-one-gets-usb-host-driver-from-a-dude-with-an-oscilloscope/ | 13:23 |
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| lardman | dmj726_devel: ping | 13:25 |
| lardman | dmj726_devel: re autoconf and finding gst-camerabin, the only thing I can suggest is to take a look at the mbarcode Makefile, etc. | 13:26 |
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| Cabletwitch | Bwahaha | 13:40 |
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| Shapeshifter | Mh, is there some way of initiating an update of the RSS widget from the CLI? | 13:41 |
| HtheB | sup all | 13:43 |
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| hmiltn5 | apt-get update && apt-get install rss widget ? | 13:51 |
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| noobmonk3y | wow | 13:59 |
| noobmonk3y | movement in the OVI store | 13:59 |
| noobmonk3y | its like nokia is releasing it's bowels into the store.... Maemo alarm, converter, calculator and freecell | 14:00 |
| phellarv | \o/ | 14:00 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo and it no longer says beta... shocker | 14:00 |
| phellarv | Wow - Beta is off - Now we probs have to pay for shit. | 14:01 |
| X-Fade | Still shows beta for me? | 14:01 |
| noobmonk3y | X-Fade: you are not special enough :P - on a pc or the n900? | 14:01 |
| noobmonk3y | on a pc - it aint there for me | 14:01 |
| HtheB | w00t | 14:01 |
| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: On device. | 14:01 |
| * noobmonk3y checks on the device | 14:02 | |
| HtheB | let me check | 14:02 |
| noobmonk3y | yup still beta | 14:02 |
| X-Fade | Weird ;) | 14:02 |
| w00t_ | HtheB: yes? | 14:02 |
| noobmonk3y | hehe :) - oh well, as i said, nothing to shout about yet | 14:02 |
| psycho_oreos | gotta install new ovi store | 14:02 |
| noobmonk3y | good to see new content though | 14:02 |
| noobmonk3y | be it rubbish or not | 14:02 |
| pigeon | oh, there are some new stuff on ovi store | 14:02 |
| phellarv | The templates haven't propagated down to the mobile site? | 14:02 |
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| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: Also don't see new content on device? | 14:02 |
| * noobmonk3y checks updates | 14:02 | |
| noobmonk3y | X-Fade: nope neither do i | 14:03 |
| X-Fade | lame ;) | 14:03 |
| HtheB | lol | 14:03 |
| noobmonk3y | X-Fade: i think you just described Ovi in one word.... :) | 14:03 |
| phellarv | X-Fade: Sneak Preview - Not for daily use on your phone. | 14:03 |
| HtheB | i said w00t because of ovi store | 14:03 |
| * frals thinks noobmonk3y forgot to pick "N900" as phone | 14:03 | |
| w00t_ | I see | 14:03 |
| HtheB | not to poke you | 14:03 |
| HtheB | :p | 14:03 |
| HtheB | haha | 14:03 |
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| noobmonk3y | w00t_: ..... Are you related to the ovi store? long long hallf-brother twice removed? | 14:03 |
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| * noobmonk3y picks frals nose | 14:05 | |
| * frals trouts noobmonk3y | 14:05 | |
| noobmonk3y | frals: - Your mobile: Nokia N900 (Change) | 14:05 |
| frals | still havent fixed that gps bug i take it? *prepares for down vote* | 14:05 |
| noobmonk3y | frals: lols - :) - was waiting for buggy reporty | 14:05 |
| frals | i reported it to you didnt i? ;) | 14:06 |
| noobmonk3y | i still need to downote fmms... as i cannay be assed to remember what settings i need to enter lols | 14:06 |
| noobmonk3y | frals: who what where? meh | 14:06 |
| frals | :D | 14:06 |
| X-Fade | GAN900: Ping, wake up you slacker ;) | 14:06 |
| * noobmonk3y has a memory the size of a goldfish... with a shorter time span | 14:06 | |
| frals | noobmonk3y what oprator are you on again? | 14:06 |
| noobmonk3y | voda uk | 14:06 |
| frals | hmm | 14:06 |
| Scelt | frals: http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fmms/c/ui/view/de.po - I'm a bit worried about those last three entries | 14:07 |
| jaska | vodkaphone | 14:07 |
| frals | Scelt: heh, they are a tad long ye... wonder how that looks on device | 14:07 |
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| Scelt | frals: yeah :P | 14:07 |
| frals | note to self; dont try to do anything on device while launching ham :( | 14:08 |
| noobmonk3y | btw frals almost finished pirate UK translation | 14:08 |
| frals | lol | 14:08 |
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| * noobmonk3y slaps MohammadAG with w00t_ | 14:08 | |
| frals | what lang code is that? en_PR? ;D | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 14:08 |
| phellarv | frals: en_YARR | 14:09 |
| X-Fade | frals: No, pr_US or pr_GB :) | 14:09 |
| frals | :D | 14:09 |
| w00t_ | the US only has modern-day geeky pirates | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | en_GEEK | 14:10 |
| w00t_ | "i be copyin' yer DVD' | 14:10 |
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| noobmonk3y | lols | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: lo, 36min for accepting a garage project. Dude, that's record I guess | 14:12 |
| * HtheB throws stinkbomb in #maemo | 14:12 | |
| noobmonk3y | :) | 14:12 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: does the phone actually detect your internet settings correctly with voda sim? | 14:12 |
| noobmonk3y | doesnt detect anything :( | 14:12 |
| noobmonk3y | all blank fields | 14:12 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Nah, multiple people are watching that. tekojo is fast :) | 14:13 |
| * MohammadAG slaps scratchbox with a noobmonk3y | 14:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 14:13 |
| * noobmonk3y giggles | 14:13 | |
| MohammadAG | the freaking thing keeps resetting | 14:13 |
| MohammadAG | I need to reinstall it at each reboot :S | 14:13 |
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| frals | noobmonk3y: i mean regular gprs connection stuffs, not fmms | 14:13 |
| noobmonk3y | oh yeah net etc all workies fine | 14:13 |
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| sezuan | Should it be possible to establish a video call between the n900 and a desktop empathy? | 14:14 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Although the bme one was me. | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's the 36min one | 14:14 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: hmpf, whats the access point name for your internet stuffs in settings > internet conenctions > vodafone internet? | 14:15 |
| noobmonk3y | Vodafone Internet GPRS | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: I guess that's the connection's symbolic name | 14:16 |
| * noobmonk3y blinks | 14:16 | |
| frals | noobmonk3y: if you edit it, you can see a field called 'access point name' | 14:16 |
| noobmonk3y | oh | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, lesson of the day, dmesg resets at each reboot :P | 14:16 |
| noobmonk3y | acces point name = internet | 14:16 |
| frals | ty | 14:16 |
| * noobmonk3y thanks DocScrutinizer for being as clear as mud, but pointing me in the right direction | 14:16 | |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG | woke up today and the N900's clock was frozen, so I was kinda 3 hours late | 14:17 |
| noobmonk3y | lol Mo | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG | feedservice2 is causing it to hang (facebook/twitter/ap news widgets all use it) | 14:18 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: The N900 is not your life... life can go on without it..... (BLASPHEMY screamed from the hilltops!) | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | File a bug! | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Hmm I thought it used hardware events for that? | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | It's fun!\ | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | And you get valuable cash rewards! | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | (the last may be a lie) | 14:18 |
| frals | eletrtric beams games from ovi store is pretty funny | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | err, no ^ | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 14:18 |
| noobmonk3y | frals: when it works, sometimes stuff needs to be positioned right outside the screen by about 1mm lol | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the world was 3h too early ;-D | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | frals: rip off of old game. But yeah. | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, it does, but when I looked at the clock I said I could sleep another 3 hours or so | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Ah yeah, it needs to redraw on wakeup. | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: And if it is swapping heavily it shows the old value for a long time. | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, which it didn't, after 5 minutes of waiting for xterm to open CPU load was 10+ | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | and memory was 1MB | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | (free memory ^) | 14:20 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, I see the swapping unresponsiveness too. | 14:20 |
| X-Fade | Everything seems to block then. | 14:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | man ulimits | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | oom* | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | I wanted to turn swap off, but I thought the results wouldn't be all that great | 14:21 |
| tekojo | DocScrutinizer: you wouldn't believe how fast some people request upload rights after they get a garage project :) | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | even mce couldn't detect a power button hold, I had to take out the battery | 14:21 |
| Lynoure | I would. | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | although halt in terminal would've been equally fun | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | tekojo: is that a friendly hint & pushing, or what? | 14:22 |
| tekojo | no, just that you were wondering about garage project acceptance speed :) | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, *defines engadget* http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/04/nexus-one-gets-usb-host-driver-from-a-dude-with-an-oscilloscope/ | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, yes | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: seen that. blah | 14:23 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia N900 gets USB host driver from a dude with a mugwarmer | 14:23 |
| MohammadAG | ^ interesting title eh | 14:23 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: That guy just wants to show off he has a scope ;) | 14:23 |
| PolarFox | :) | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: n900 gets usb host from two guys with a javelin and a M-134 ;-P | 14:23 |
| PolarFox | "I made N900 an USB Host, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt" | 14:24 |
| phellarv | I have a scope up in the attic somewhere - I do however not flaunt it. | 14:24 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I switched to Stingers :P | 14:24 |
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| * MohammadAG eats noobmonk3y's lunch before he even reaches it | 14:25 | |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders how to answer that... | 14:25 | |
| frals | "N900 gets USB Host, doesnt need an oscilloscope to do it" | 14:25 |
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| * frals trouts noobmonk3y, have a nice meal! | 14:25 | |
| * noobmonk3y is going to go sit on the beach and watch trout go by........ | 14:26 | |
| frals | :D | 14:26 |
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| MohammadAG | well that killed the conversation | 14:28 |
| * MohammadAG pokes DocScrutinizer, waiting for an answer | 14:28 | |
| * noobmonk3y throws a trout at MohammadAG | 14:28 | |
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| MohammadAG | I thought you were supposed to be out | 14:28 |
| phellarv | MohammadAG: You don't have to go away from the PC to order a Pizza? | 14:29 |
| Lynoure | noobmonk3y: I'm already sitting by the beach, I love the view here. :) | 14:29 |
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| range | Has the twitter widget been pulled from ovi store? | 14:29 |
| MohammadAG | Unfortunately, your country is not currently supported. <-- racists! | 14:29 |
| MohammadAG | phellarv, he isn't the pizza kind | 14:29 |
| * RST38h laughs diabolically | 14:30 | |
| phellarv | MohammadAG: Did you pay the license fee? | 14:30 |
| MohammadAG | range, yes, for a good reason | 14:30 |
| MohammadAG | see above | 14:30 |
| RST38h | Go for a proxy! | 14:30 |
| MohammadAG | NEVAR | 14:30 |
| MohammadAG | (A instead of an E was intentional) | 14:30 |
| range | MohammadAG: Ah. | 14:30 |
| range | Scrolled back but didn't see that. | 14:31 |
| range | Thanks. | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: digging my arms chamber... "there's been that backpack, with the dial from 5kT..25kT! Darn... where it's gone..." | 14:31 |
| MohammadAG | I think I have it though | 14:31 |
| GregoryRasputin | Hi MohammadAG :) | 14:31 |
| MohammadAG | if you want it non the less | 14:31 |
| MohammadAG | hi | 14:31 |
| range | MohammadAG: Ummm. No, I think I reactivate the mauku one, then :) | 14:31 |
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| * phellarv wants to exchange the desktop with screen session, with irssi and mutt in - Plus some scripts for convenience. | 14:33 | |
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| phellarv | Full-blown CLI phone - that would be awesome | 14:33 |
| MohammadAG | dsmetool -k hildon-desktop | 14:34 |
| mgedmin | $ dial 1-555-1234566 && speak "Hello, there" | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: aah... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/TZ_ELOKA.svg | 14:36 |
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| phellarv | mgedmin: Awesome - I could script my conversations with my wife. "Blah Blah Blah" - "Yes, dear" | 14:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | phellarv: You need a soundboard | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | phellarv: A screen with a dozen bubbles that you press to generate a prerecorded clip | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | So - you tap 'Hello' - and it says 'Hello'. | 14:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | You slide your finger up from hello a bit, and release - and it says it in a slightly higher tone. | 14:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | To the right - and slightly faster | 14:50 |
| phellarv | Aha - Jean Michel Jarre style phonecall. | 14:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: found it! ADM H-912 here a picture (taken in my backyard): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/SADM(cropped).jpg | 14:50 |
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| phellarv | DocScrutinizer: The non-cropped version of that picture contained your T-90? | 14:53 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, err, you keep that in your backyard? | 14:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nah, just took it out of the arms chamber to shoot the pic. | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: If I leave it in the yard, neighbour children play with it. I don't like that :-P | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw it's actually called Mk-54 | 14:59 |
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| plastun | hello! Does anybody know, how to fix G_IS_OBJECT warnings when using FileChooserDIalog? | 15:01 |
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| GAN900 | X-Fade, what? | 15:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: darn, forgot to stash it away. 30 minutes in my backyard, with the neighbour kids around: http://marvell.index.hu/imgfrm/0/7/2/3/BIG_0002680723.jpg | 15:09 |
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| lardman | mmmm, bacon | 15:11 |
| * lardman comments on lunch | 15:11 | |
| lbt_ | coffee | 15:11 |
| pupnik | where did you get screen for n810? | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: what's that - a stupidly high power dummy load? | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hm channel | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I also expected something like this http://www.ripten.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/nuke-needs-to-be-bigger.jpg | 15:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: Mk-54 10T..1kT TNT equiv. adjustable. Designed for one man operation, to be carried as a backpack | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I only had the larger one. | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | So I diddn't recognise. | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I culdn't find the stash space ib my chamber to get one of those | 15:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | weapons are for kids | 15:17 |
| Shapeshifter | grown-ups playing with weapons, that's just silly. | 15:18 |
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| * MohammadAG drops a nuke on Shapeshifter | 15:19 | |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: here, have a penny, kid. | 15:19 |
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| * MohammadAG buys an AC-130 | 15:19 | |
| MohammadAG | Thanks Shapeshifter, I was a penny short from its full price | 15:20 |
| * MohammadAG shoots Shapeshifter from above | 15:20 | |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: eat your vegetables. | 15:20 |
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| Shapeshifter | no shooting during lunch. | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, what difference would it make | 15:21 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: vegetables are good for you | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I was able to get rid of some 250kG of old TNT which eaten up quite some space in my chamber, and traded it in for this nice Mk-54, during FEATHER test of operation nougat | 15:23 |
| BCMM | is a G eight grams? | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, Kg of course | 15:25 |
| BCMM | kg | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | ^ | 15:26 |
| noobmonk3y | lol Lynoure sorry had already gone | 15:27 |
| noobmonk3y | was a lovely lunch :) | 15:27 |
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| BCMM | (sorry, i've just been raging against wget's use of an uppercase K, as in "20.1K/s") | 15:28 |
| visz | kelvins per second? | 15:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Hawt. | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | trouts? | 15:28 |
| BCMM | since it doesn't specify b or B, and uses and uppercase K, i presume it's tracking Kelvin per Second | 15:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, SI is upper case for units >1, and lower case for units <1 | 15:30 |
| BCMM | gah, flaky, flaky connection | 15:30 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: except for k... | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | so K,M, G, T, but m, u, p | 15:30 |
| BCMM | (well, and da and h) | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's not SI I suppose | 15:31 |
| BCMM | i think they may be recognised bit deprecated or something | 15:31 |
| BCMM | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_prefixes#List_of_SI_prefixes | 15:31 |
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| BCMM | seriously though, anyone know if wget is measuring things in bits or bytes? | 15:32 |
| BCMM | (or kelvin) | 15:32 |
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| MohammadAG | bytes most probably | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF, actually k instead of K :-S | 15:32 |
| BCMM | actually, kelvins are probably the reason for that | 15:33 |
| BCMM | not that that makes any great deal of sense, since mm is allowed | 15:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | k, I stand corrected. Thanks BCMM for pointing me at it | 15:34 |
| jacekowski | i was building my gender bender | 15:34 |
| jacekowski | and was about to solder screen together | 15:34 |
| BCMM | you could also theoretically have TT | 15:34 |
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| jacekowski | and i realised it's made out of alluminium | 15:34 |
| jacekowski | not copper | 15:34 |
| BCMM | but you'd probably need some stars or something | 15:34 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, got 5-10 minutes or so? | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: dunno the english term. Use a Aderendhuelse or Hohlniet | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ...or a proper solder free connector for crimp mounting | 15:36 |
| alterego | dagnamit :/ | 15:36 |
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| t3rm1n4l | hi | 15:36 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, i already soldered data cables and put heatshrink on it | 15:37 |
| t3rm1n4l | is it possible to do video streaming on maemo sdk ? | 15:37 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: so i would have to desolder it and do it again | 15:37 |
| alterego | Anyone know if it's possible to get the .desktop file associated with an osso plugin for the control panel app? | 15:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: pragmatic solution: use a short piece of stranded wire, and wind it with the shielding | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | then tighten the whole mesh with some plastic clip or steel wire | 15:39 |
| jacekowski | it won't give me mechanical strenght | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I cheat. | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | You get mechanical strenght by placing the wires parallel, and binding tightly with string or tape. | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not as neat - but works fine. | 15:41 |
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| alterego | Okay, I'm going to have to put my thinking cap on, I really hope this is actually possible :( | 15:46 |
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| psycho_oreos | any of you guys tried to repack installed files back into deb? I painfully downloaded some nice tools from OVI store which took me awhile, I don't intend to go back to OVI store and follow the same process after upgrading to PR1.2 | 15:49 |
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| alterego | Downlaoding from Ovi store is a pain? | 15:49 |
| alterego | Do you use dial up with your N900? :P | 15:49 |
| E0x | what ? | 15:50 |
| E0x | dialup ? | 15:50 |
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| E0x | psycho_oreos: hmm ovi store don't use .deb files ? | 15:50 |
| E0x | if they use it you can find the cache in your /var/cache/apt | 15:50 |
| E0x | maybe | 15:50 |
| psycho_oreos | no, I meant in a way that when you install the packages, you had to wait for a brief moment for each applications to be installed.. and several minutes after that usually | 15:51 |
| E0x | err /var/cache/apt/archives | 15:51 |
| phellarv | E0x: hidden | 15:51 |
| frals | quite sure you shouldnt be doing that for ovi content as it should be some kind of contentprotection on it, afaiu | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | alterego: yup, dialup using a RJ11 to I2C converter | 15:51 |
| E0x | oh | 15:51 |
| E0x | i just was thinking in a debian way... | 15:51 |
| psycho_oreos | E0x, they're deb packages, and they are listed as user/hidden | 15:51 |
| alterego | crashanddie: :D | 15:51 |
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| psycho_oreos | alas I have tried looking there as well, no luck | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | I now have internet in every hotel I go to. | 15:51 |
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| alterego | crashanddie: I've got a carrier pidgeon that I bribe with the false hope I'll buy it an N900 to send/recv my packets :) | 15:52 |
| jacekowski | my geneder bender is finished | 15:53 |
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| alterego | jacekowski: anything special about it? I bought a nice one from Maplin for my N8x0's :) | 15:55 |
| jacekowski | alterego: are you serious? | 15:57 |
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| alterego | jacekowski: erm, yeah... | 15:57 |
| jacekowski | alterego: how much you paid? | 15:57 |
| alterego | About 4 quid | 15:57 |
| jacekowski | fuck | 15:57 |
| jacekowski | i paid 5 quid for my cables | 15:57 |
| alterego | Hahah, | 15:57 |
| jacekowski | +time + heatshrinks | 15:58 |
| alterego | What about the solder? :D | 15:58 |
| alterego | Hahah, | 15:58 |
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| alterego | jacekowski: did you not ever use one with an N800 or N810? | 15:59 |
| Dima202 | Does video work with knots2 through ssh tunnel? | 15:59 |
| jacekowski | no | 15:59 |
| alterego | Actually, they're ~8 quid it seems ... | 15:59 |
| alterego | http://www.maplin.co.uk/searchtemplate.asp?criteria=USB%20SEX%20CHANGER | 15:59 |
| jacekowski | i never had n9x0 | 15:59 |
| jacekowski | n8x0 | 15:59 |
| Dima202 | jacekowski: that was fast | 15:59 |
| jacekowski | it was for alterego not for you | 15:59 |
| alterego | Dima202: he was talking to me, | 15:59 |
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| Dima202 | lol ;) | 15:59 |
| alterego | They're nice and neat, | 15:59 |
| alterego | The gender benders | 16:00 |
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| alterego | jacekowski: just like this one .. For 1.48 GBP http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USB-F-Female-Gender-Changer-Adaptor-Coupler-AF-/280505494215?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL&hash=item414f6e2ac7 | 16:01 |
| Dima202 | Does it make any sense to run knots 2 through ssh tunnel? | 16:01 |
| alterego | Dima202: I don't know, how paranoid are you? :D | 16:01 |
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| Dima202 | 1-10 i'd say a 5 | 16:01 |
| alterego | Dima202: also, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. | 16:01 |
| alterego | But I also see little benifit in actually doing, just extra overhead. | 16:02 |
| jacekowski | Dima202: but ssh is encrypted | 16:02 |
| jacekowski | Dima202: and you will get a lot of overhead because of that | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | not much | 16:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | ssh will go at ~2M/s here over wifi | 16:02 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: sure, still pointless :P | 16:03 |
| Dima202 | yeah and for some reason video doesn't work through tunneling .. I'm not too worried though | 16:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or 30% CPU for 1.5M/s | 16:05 |
| alterego | This is mildly annoying. | 16:05 |
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| alterego | Oh, it was a typo, silly me. | 16:05 |
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| GAN900 | X-Fade, repong? | 16:07 |
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| dneary | hi! | 16:13 |
| dneary | X-Fade, Ping? | 16:13 |
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| noobmonk3y | X-Fade: is busy eating bannanas.... its a favourite past time of his ;) lol | 16:20 |
| frals | says mr monkeyboy! | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | guess who was banned, yay! | 16:21 |
| frals | they finally banned you? bout time! | 16:21 |
| noobmonk3y | lol frals | 16:21 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: banned from life? | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | /kickban frals | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54915 | 16:22 |
| noobmonk3y | that bugged me that did :( | 16:23 |
| noobmonk3y | had a long chat with him over msg last night | 16:23 |
| noobmonk3y | and he finally calmed down, backed off then got kicked | 16:23 |
| Dima202 | What is a decent cpu for knots2? My current core2duo t7600 is getting pounded | 16:23 |
| frals | awesome, off-topic threads no longer showing in "active topics"! | 16:23 |
| noobmonk3y | everyone has the odd rant, he did over step the line, just he finally saw the light and calmed down :( | 16:23 |
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| Dima202 | Wish they would release the gpu decoding for knots2 soon | 16:24 |
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| pupnik | define pounded Dima202 | 16:24 |
| Dima202 | 100% cpu usage | 16:24 |
| Dima202 | And video isn't that great sometimes freezes or audio goes out of sync | 16:25 |
| pupnik | transcoding what source? res? codec? | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, he was banned before | 16:25 |
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| alterego | frals: http://alterego.metapath.org/source/osso-plugin-exec-loader.c | 16:25 |
| noobmonk3y | before? | 16:25 |
| SwedeMike | Dima202: core i5 661 | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | <frals> awesome, off-topic threads no longer showing in "active topics"! | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | I wanted to thank Reggie but... no thanks button | 16:25 |
| alterego | frals: I'm working on something a bit nicer, but that by itself is nice and flexible. | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, yes, he was banned for two days I think | 16:25 |
| pupnik | SwedeMike is right, nm | 16:25 |
| SwedeMike | Dima202: when doing mencoder it's twice the speed as a 6600 | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | or 24h, not sure | 16:25 |
| noobmonk3y | meh.... | 16:25 |
| Dima202 | .mkv like 480p i would guess? | 16:26 |
| pupnik | mm that isnt much work to decode | 16:26 |
| Dima202 | SwedeMike: yeah those new core i5 i7 are sick | 16:26 |
| SwedeMike | Dima202: I run tablet-encode (which I guess does the same thing), and I had an E6600 before, and now a i5-661, and the 661 is approx twice the speed, so vlc should be the same. | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, he was given many many chances | 16:26 |
| noobmonk3y | fairymuff | 16:26 |
| SwedeMike | Dima202: so first it has turbo-something to 3.33GHz, and then it's faster per GHz, so compared to 2.4ghz c2d it's approx 2x | 16:27 |
| Dima202 | I think I will be going with i7 260 D0 stepping to get 4+ghz | 16:27 |
| Dima202 | 920* | 16:27 |
| GAN900 | monkeyiq, he's a troll. :) | 16:27 |
| Dima202 | My friend has c0 stepping we coulg get it only to 3.6ghz | 16:28 |
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| GAN900 | Dima202, how about that new unlocked one? | 16:30 |
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| Dima202 | which one? | 16:30 |
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| Dima202 | the $999? | 16:30 |
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| Dima202 | 980x? | 16:31 |
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| Dima202 | oh i see a cheaper one but for me 920 is plenty if I can get it to 4+ghz it will be insane | 16:32 |
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| SwedeMike | Dima202: why do you need 4 cores? | 16:34 |
| FIQ | Not Found | 16:34 |
| FIQ | The requested URL /news/planet-maemo/ was not found on this server. | 16:34 |
| FIQ | fail? | 16:34 |
| SwedeMike | Dima202: i5 needs less power and already does 3.33GHz, lower TDP, should be possible to overlock easier. | 16:34 |
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| FIQ | hm | 16:35 |
| FIQ | nvm | 16:35 |
| FIQ | "www." failed | 16:35 |
| Dima202 | SwedeMike: I never even considered an i5 before you mentioned it.. | 16:36 |
| SwedeMike | Dima202: i7 920 is fairly expensive as well, and you need more expensive motherboard | 16:36 |
| SwedeMike | and also you need 3x memory sticks to get full memory performance | 16:36 |
| Dima202 | i5 doesn't support tripple memory bandwith? | 16:37 |
| SwedeMike | correct. | 16:37 |
| Dima202 | SwedeMike: so how far have you overclocked your i5? | 16:38 |
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| SwedeMike | Dima202: I don't do overclocking. | 16:40 |
| SwedeMike | Dima202: I prefer stability. | 16:40 |
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| Dima202 | ok, that's fine | 16:40 |
| biertie | is there a way to save the 'conversations' <sms, bluetooth, ...> somewhere else? because my memory seems to be full, and I don't feel like I want to delete something | 16:41 |
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| GAN900 | Dima202, 875k | 16:48 |
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| GAN900 | SwedeMike, virtualization. | 16:49 |
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| MohammadAG | biertie, unlike Symbian bluetooth messages aren't stored in "conversations" | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/ is what you want to backup though | 16:50 |
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| biertie | MohammadAG: yeah, I meant 'jabber' or something | 16:51 |
| biertie | doesn't really matter | 16:51 |
| biertie | my goals stays the same :) | 16:51 |
| SwedeMike | GAN900: VT-x ? all core i3, i5 and i7 have that according to wikipedia. | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/ is what you want to backup though <-- | 16:52 |
| alterego | God, is it too much to ask ... | 16:52 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, either this one http://www.unibike.pl/xenon.html or this one http://www.unibike.pl/zethos.html | 16:53 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, and I still want that picture | 16:53 |
| GAN900 | SwedeMike, virtualization. | 16:53 |
| alterego | Ooo, ide a.. | 16:53 |
| SwedeMike | GAN900: please elaborate. | 16:53 |
| Dima202 | GAN900: I'd get the i7 920 because while it's not unlocked and maybe a bit harder to o/c then 875k it's still do-able and cheaper.. Other then 300 to 400 mhz clock rate increase per core i don't really see the point of wasting extra $100 I can spend elsewhere | 16:53 |
| GAN900 | Some of them don't have hyperthreading either | 16:53 |
| GAN900 | Dima202, $350 vs $300 according to my numbers | 16:54 |
| alterego | This will be a nice hack if it works .. | 16:54 |
| Dima202 | yeah hyperthreading is waht makes intel intel | 16:54 |
| alterego | And by nice, I mean awfuyl .. | 16:54 |
| GAN900 | and no need to get a super-expensive motherboard | 16:54 |
| GAN900 | You save your money on the mobo with the Lynnfield chips | 16:54 |
| SwedeMike | GAN900: are you always this incoherent? I recommended i5 and asked why he wanted i7, and you said "virtualization" twice. | 16:55 |
| alterego | Hahah, that's pretty coherent :P | 16:55 |
| GAN900 | SwedeMike, um, yeah, OK. | 16:56 |
| alterego | Anyone know if it's possible to get the currently processing gobject signal? | 16:56 |
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| Dima202 | they both have virtualization only diff is -2 cores nd socket | 16:56 |
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| GAN900 | SwedeMike, ah, I see. | 16:57 |
| GAN900 | SwedeMike, blame the godawful placement of the N900's up and return leys | 16:57 |
| GAN900 | s/leys/keys | 16:57 |
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| SwedeMike | GAN900: ok. | 16:57 |
| GAN900 | SwedeMike, don't believe that's true | 16:57 |
| GAN900 | Was what I intended to send. | 16:57 |
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| SwedeMike | GAN900: belive what is true? that i5 has VT-x? | 16:57 |
| * GAN900 is at work | 16:58 | |
| GAN900 | Not all models of each grade have virtualization. | 16:58 |
| SwedeMike | http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=43553 says that 661 has VT-x | 16:58 |
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| Dima202 | I'm also considering amd because they have great upgrade support | 17:03 |
| Dima202 | no hyperthreading though | 17:04 |
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| jacekowski | why anybody want hardware vt? | 17:09 |
| jacekowski | unless you need 64bit guest there is no reall need for that | 17:09 |
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| SwedeMike | jacekowski: afaik it's more efficient compared to completely sw virtualization | 17:21 |
| jacekowski | it's not software virtualisation | 17:22 |
| jacekowski | it's done in hardware, just differently | 17:22 |
| SwedeMike | jacekowski: so what hw function are you referring to now? | 17:24 |
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| jacekowski | besides, what are you using to virtualise your stuff? | 17:26 |
| jacekowski | but fact is that virtualisation is using ring2 that's unused to run guests | 17:26 |
| bfree | is there a virtualisation system that can run on a non-vt capable cpu which can stand comparison to e.g. kvm on a vt capable machine? | 17:29 |
| Disconnect | bfree: virtualbox is pretty close | 17:29 |
| jacekowski | bfree: kvm is quite slow | 17:30 |
| jacekowski | bfree: mostly because it's hardware emulation is slow | 17:30 |
| Disconnect | jacekowski: istr kvm without hwvirt uses qemu. and qemu is pretty terrible at emulating x86. | 17:31 |
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| bfree | Disconnect: virtualbox without vt? never heard anyone go from it to kvm and not be delighted at how much faster kvm is | 17:32 |
| Disconnect | virtualbox hasn't needed/used vt until the most recent versions anyway. also, commercial version, not open source version. | 17:33 |
| Lazy^ | Hello, anyone from Finland and using roadrunner app ? | 17:33 |
| Disconnect | (for that matter, i'm not sure it uses vt at all on osx still.) | 17:33 |
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| bfree | Disconnect: eh virtualbox could use vt when I last used it before kvm went mainline, maybe 2 years ago | 17:34 |
| Macer | uhm | 17:34 |
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| jacekowski | no | 17:35 |
| jacekowski | virtual box can't use vt | 17:35 |
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| bfree | jacekowski: calling kvm slow ... I can't agree with that and would like to see some hard facts to back that up as it is very different to my experiences | 17:36 |
| jacekowski | SwedeMike: biggest part performance is lost on hardware emulation/virtualisation | 17:36 |
| SwedeMike | jacekowski: and VT-x isn't that? | 17:36 |
| bfree | jacekowski: If you are right then I guess they removed the option then after Sun took it over. it certainly used to use it | 17:36 |
| Disconnect | virtualbox can use it but it was added/supported around 1.6 or so. (2008) looking at the changelogs and such. | 17:38 |
| Disconnect | and "The Linux kernel 2.6.20 (February 2007) included the first version of KVM." so.. not before kvm went mainline ;) | 17:39 |
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| jacekowski | bfree: they have hardware vt for 64bit guests, | 17:40 |
| jacekowski | bfree: but that's all | 17:40 |
| bfree | hmm, guess I'm mixing something up timing wise | 17:40 |
| jacekowski | and there is lot of different types of virtualisation/emulation | 17:41 |
| Disconnect | and virtualbox is about as fast as it gets w/o hw. so if that doesn't count as "standing comparison" then you're just asking how to make your ppro as fast as a quad xeon :) | 17:41 |
| Disconnect | bfree: he was saying kvm without hwvirt is slow. and he's totally right.. | 17:42 |
| jacekowski | no i wasn't | 17:42 |
| jacekowski | kvm depends on hvirt | 17:42 |
| jacekowski | but thing is that you need to emulate hardware that guest is using | 17:42 |
| * Disconnect has attempted to boot bare-bones linux images on 12-core 2.3ghz boxes w/ hwvirt disabled. after 20 minutes of "where is my box" I got a console. it was just getting to grub.. | 17:43 | |
| jacekowski | and that's slowest part | 17:43 |
| Disconnect | jacekowski: must have misread you. sorry | 17:43 |
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| jacekowski | Disconnect: that was emulation | 17:43 |
| jacekowski | Disconnect: and it's not that slow | 17:43 |
| jacekowski | Disconnect: qemu emulation is only 10x slower than native | 17:43 |
| Disconnect | jacekowski: tried it recently? this was less than a year ago (f'ing dell servers ship with hwvirt disabled in the bios) | 17:43 |
| jacekowski | Disconnect: then you have virtualisation running in userland that's slow because there is no help from hardware whasover and it's really tricky to run | 17:44 |
| jacekowski | and then you have virtualisation that run on almost everything using ring2 | 17:44 |
| jacekowski | and that's what virtual box is using | 17:45 |
| jacekowski | and vmware | 17:45 |
| jacekowski | and everything | 17:45 |
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| jacekowski | and then you have virtualisation using vt-x/pacifica/hardware virtualisation | 17:45 |
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| Disconnect | it was exactly as i described above - "kvm without hwvirt". as in, disable it in bios, then run kvm as usual. its significantly slower than 10x. (also, x64 guest. that might have a lot to do with the speed difference between 10x and 'omgwtf') | 17:45 |
| jacekowski | Disconnect: then you don't have kvm | 17:46 |
| jacekowski | Disconnect: kvm is disabled | 17:46 |
| jacekowski | Disconnect: and qemu failsover to software emulation | 17:46 |
| Disconnect | i realize at that point hte kvm module is simply providing an interface to qemu but it is still there and active. and the executable 'kvm' is running. etc. | 17:46 |
| Treibholz | syncevolution is just as broken as anything SyncML-based... | 17:46 |
| * Treibholz wants syncintelligentdesing | 17:46 | |
| jacekowski | Disconnect: there is no fail over to what all other virtualisation solutions are duing | 17:47 |
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| jacekowski | Disconnect: which is running virtualised code in ring2 | 17:47 |
| jacekowski | Disconnect: only thing that full hardware assisted virtualisation is giving is iommu | 17:47 |
| Disconnect | jacekowski: at least as of a few years ago, vmware could fail over to full-virt. | 17:47 |
| Disconnect | thats where all those nested-vmware videos came from. not that its useful particularly. | 17:48 |
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| jacekowski | Disconnect: that's ring2 virtualisation | 17:48 |
| Disconnect | ring2 doesn't nest. | 17:48 |
| Disconnect | in any case. was there a point to this discussion? I came in late.. | 17:48 |
| jacekowski | i don't know | 17:49 |
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| * GAN900 wonders if Peter actually meant Thursday sometime in 2011 | 17:58 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ol'a GAN900 | 18:01 |
| tmartins_ | hello! Where would be the appropriate place to ask some questions about freemantle on the n900? | 18:01 |
| b-man | lol | 18:02 |
| noobmonk3y | tmartins_: here :P depending on what you are asking | 18:02 |
| b-man | here ?xD | 18:02 |
| tmartins_ | Nice! Is there anyone having trouble streaming media with the default media player when there are spaces on the url?/ | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | or on tmo, when the question is stupid enough to qualify ;-P | 18:02 |
| noobmonk3y | not tried :( | 18:03 |
| tmartins_ | Ok, if it's stupid enough, please tell me :D | 18:03 |
| noobmonk3y | lol not a tupid q :P | 18:03 |
| noobmonk3y | just not tried :P | 18:03 |
| noobmonk3y | and excuse mr grumpy - he hasnt been fed his sugar today :P | 18:03 |
| dsf | you can't spell letters. | 18:03 |
| tmartins_ | Well, after the pr1.2 upgrade, I'm getting an "No Connection to Server" error every time there's a space on the url | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: how did you know? | 18:04 |
| noobmonk3y | :) | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually it's true | 18:04 |
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| dsf | tmartins_: you probably don't want spaces in your urls then. | 18:04 |
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| noobmonk3y | diabetic? | 18:04 |
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| noobmonk3y | or just sugar addict? | 18:04 |
| tmartins_ | dsf: Yeah, I suppose I don't... The thing is, It's not always an option | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, just ran out of shugar for my caffee latte | 18:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tmartins_: though not known yet here, that sounds like Nokia. I remeber a similar issue on 1.0.1 with special chars in bookmark *names* | 18:06 |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, that's like frals running out of trouts | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | tmartins_: check bugtracker, file a new ticket if there's none yet | 18:08 |
| tmartins_ | Yeah, well, to be honest, I'm streaming from my NAS running a lighthttpd... I'm still trying to figure out if that's an lighthttpd issue or a maemo issue... Other media players can stream it just fine though, including KMPlayer | 18:08 |
| tmartins_ | It would be nice if I could find a publicly accessible mp3 file with spaces on names... | 18:08 |
| konfoo | you want to dry one off our cdn? :P | 18:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hard enough a task for a friday afternoon | 18:09 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol! | 18:10 |
| * noobmonk3y is on a very random telecom | 18:11 | |
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| noobmonk3y | can only hear bits of the person on the other end | 18:11 |
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| tmartins_ | Yeah, I found something... It sounds a bit odd though :S | 18:13 |
| tmartins_ | Can anyone please be so kind to try to open this url on a pr1.2 media player? http://tonycuffe.com/mp3/tail%20toddle.mp3 | 18:14 |
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| tmartins_ | Be warned though, it's some kind of odd Irish/celtic music... :P | 18:15 |
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| Shapeshifter | what's the default lock code for the n900? | 18:16 |
| Shapeshifter | the lock device one | 18:16 |
| b-man | 12345 | 18:16 |
| Shapeshifter | b-man: thanks | 18:16 |
| b-man | np :) | 18:16 |
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| * noobmonk3y blinks | 18:16 | |
| noobmonk3y | sun is shining and aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh to telecons | 18:16 |
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| noobmonk3y | ¬seen Texrat | 18:17 |
| noobmonk3y | meh | 18:17 |
| noobmonk3y | ~seen texrat | 18:17 |
| infobot | texrat <~ad4a12f4@Maemo/community/council/Texrat> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 37d 16h 49m 59s ago, saying: 'tsg meeting tomorrow bitches'. | 18:17 |
| noobmonk3y | wow | 18:17 |
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| noobmonk3y | long meeting | 18:17 |
| MohammadAG | XD | 18:19 |
| * MohammadAG wonders why qwerty12 never comes here | 18:19 | |
| b-man | he use to | 18:20 |
| b-man | i think he got tired of it | 18:20 |
| noobmonk3y | ~seen qwerty12 | 18:20 |
| infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 182d 20h 56m 47s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. | 18:20 |
| noobmonk3y | :P | 18:20 |
| * frals blames MohammadAG and noobmonk3y | 18:20 | |
| GAN900 | Hopefully because he's doing well at university and got some hot girlfriend. | 18:21 |
| * noobmonk3y blames frals for blaming MohammadAG | 18:21 | |
| Khertan | roh ... again ? | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | then he joined college and discovered girls | 18:21 |
| * MohammadAG blames hildon | 18:21 | |
| * b-man blames noobmonk3y for blaming frals for blaming MohammadAG | 18:21 | |
| MohammadAG | 2.2 to be more precise | 18:21 |
| * Khertan was hilighted again | 18:21 | |
| Khertan | 182d ... qwerty12 didn't come anymore on #maemo | 18:22 |
| frals | hmpf should format my laptop and make sure everything i need is on it :( | 18:22 |
| tmartins_ | Well, this really seems to be a pr1.2 issue... I'm still a bit reticent to fill a bug report, since I've tweaked my installation more than a bit... Has anyone tried that url? | 18:22 |
| b-man | ~seen qole | 18:22 |
| infobot | qole <~qole@Maemo/community/council/qole> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 85d 22h 46m ago, saying: 'Stskeeps, oh that's some great news!'. | 18:22 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, that means you're getting rid of everything you need? | 18:23 |
| frals | means im clearing out all old junk ive installed for uni courses and then reinstalling stuff i actually need | 18:23 |
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| * noobmonk3y re-installs MohammadAG - aghhhhhhhhhhhh darn viruses | 18:24 | |
| * MohammadAG adds a Win32.trout.backdoor to frals's Windows disc | 18:25 | |
| noobmonk3y | lols | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | uni? I thought you were 45 years old | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | jk :P | 18:25 |
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| andrewfblack | Morning | 18:27 |
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| b-man | ~trout frals | 18:27 |
| * infobot slaps frals around a bit with a large trout! | 18:27 | |
| b-man | xDDDDDDDD | 18:27 |
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| Ikarus[N900] | anyone managed to get PAN working, as in the N900 in a server/gateway mode | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | BT or Wi-Fi? | 18:29 |
| Ikarus[N900] | bluetooth | 18:29 |
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| tmartins_ | Uhn... little help here... How do I find which version of Media Player I'm using? | 18:31 |
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| Ikarus[N900] | for NAT there is no other way but a custom kernel, right ? | 18:32 |
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| tmartins_ | bugzilla is asking me what is the version of the Media Player, but I frankly can't find it | 18:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | it's the version of the software release | 18:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | put PR1.2 or 10.2010 or whatever it is | 18:37 |
| tmartins_ | dpkg-query -l mediaplayer shows something like 1.2-18+0m5, which is as far from any available options on bugzilla as it can be | 18:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | about -> settings | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | it's not the player version | 18:37 |
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| tmartins_ | ahhh | 18:37 |
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| tmartins_ | SpeedEvil: Got it, thanks | 18:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 18:38 |
| lostinmirkwood | Have any developers used Nokia's Remote-Device-Access to connect, install and test their N900 software? My PyQt Application FAILS the install when I use the Install-Software "Function" to load a .deb built from garage.maemo's autobuilder. | 18:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | i think someone demo'd it for me recently | 18:41 |
| timeless_mbp | does that count? | 18:41 |
| zlimvos | I have a tricky question on cat6k ios. Need someone to verify my findings. the command 'remote login switch' -> 'show mls rate-limit hw-detail' will show me the actual traffic being rate limited. the mappings of 'Hw ID' are the same with the mapping of 'Layer3 Rate Limiters' in the 'show mls rate-limit usage' command in enable mode. | 18:44 |
| zlimvos | someone can confirm? | 18:44 |
| zlimvos | ooops bad me | 18:44 |
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| tmartins_ | Uhn... almost filled my bug report, just one last question... what's the URL field for exactly? | 18:45 |
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| tmartins_ | I'm thinking of entering that mp3 file I found on it, but I'm not sure it that's its intended purpose | 18:47 |
| andre__ | tmartins_, just leave it empty, same with Alias field | 18:48 |
| tmartins_ | gotcha | 18:49 |
| andre__ | tmartins_, available version options is about Maemo 5 version, not about the version of a specific package | 18:49 |
| andre__ | oops. already answered here :) | 18:49 |
| Viliny__ | ShadowJK: have you got any new tips on how to make mugens show battery properly? | 18:52 |
| tmartins_ | Ok, I hope I got it right: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10557 | 18:52 |
| povbot` | Bug 10557: Media Player cannot stream through http if there are spaces in the url | 18:52 |
| tmartins_ | ah | 18:52 |
| tmartins_ | nice | 18:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Viliny_: Reimplement BME properly. | 18:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Viliny: Or more likely - hald-addon-bme | 18:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Viliny: There are projects that will peripherally probably fix the battery in passing. | 18:53 |
| GAN900 | It's depressing how little traffic the community forum gets. | 18:53 |
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| Ikarus[N900] | forums are a pain | 18:54 |
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| Disconnect | mailing lists ftw. can view on the web (ooh, like a forum?) -or- through any number of interfaces that suit your style.. | 18:55 |
| twouters | barisione: thanks for the quick fix of contacts merger btw | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Viliny__: SpeedEvil jrbme.garage.maemo.org ;-) | 18:55 |
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| Viliny__ | SpeedEvil: how does one do that? | 18:55 |
| barisione | twouters: np :) | 18:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Viliny: By attacking the problem with cod. | 18:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Viliny: err - code | 18:55 |
| Viliny__ | with fish? | 18:55 |
| disco_stu | what i hate the most about forums is that you have to cope with all the other guys avatars | 18:55 |
| Ikarus[N900] | and IRC for rapid cluebatting of developers | 18:56 |
| tmartins_ | the source is on gitourious, right? I think I can tackle this one myself... | 18:56 |
| Viliny__ | wait, DocScrutinizer this project does the trick? | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Viliny: It does about half of it | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Viliny_: it's a required part of USB hostmode | 18:56 |
| Viliny__ | what does that mean? | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Viliny_: It's also not done yet | 18:56 |
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| Viliny__ | ah but there is hope yet | 18:56 |
| Viliny__ | which is nice to know | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Viliny_: It means that after the BME reimplementatoin - someone needs to work on the stub - which is hald-addon-bme - which is what tells the rest of the stack the battery state | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | stop bme | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | for example - and the battery stops updating in the statusbar | 18:57 |
| FauxFaux | Can anyone honestly read that without thinking "bmezine"? | 18:57 |
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| flailingmonkey | It just seems more and more inevitable that bme will have to be replaced sooner rather than later | 18:58 |
| flailingmonkey | rofl, bmezine | 18:58 |
| GAN900 | Ikarus[N900] / Disconnect, -community is even worse. :P | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Viliny__: mugen support (like every other proper reporting of capacity to hal) will have to wait for version 2 though - if you wonder: atm we're at version 0.0.0.1 | 18:59 |
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| tmartins_ | SpeedEvil: excuse me for jumping in, but usb hostmode is possible? | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=650333 | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | See that | 18:59 |
| Viliny__ | DocScrutinizer oh... "we" well thanks for contributing to the community with awesomeness :) | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | also several other threads | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | It's in progress. | 19:00 |
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| tmartins_ | Whoa, I got outdated on that... I remember when it was supposed to be hardware-limited | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | That's not quite a lie. | 19:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Nothing of what any of the nokia people said is actually incorrect - if you read it right. | 19:01 |
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| tmartins_ | hmmm... what's the problem? Power limitation? | 19:01 |
| SpeedEvil | It's just that it wasn't saying much interesting. | 19:01 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host | 19:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Basically - it's looking like in several weeks - all you need is the stock USB cable, and a F-F adaptor to plug stuff in. | 19:02 |
| tmartins_ | hehe, great news! :D | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | tmartins_: actually this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=685367#post685367 is a little bit more up to date | 19:02 |
| flailingmonkey | yeah, OTG is hardware limited | 19:02 |
| Viliny__ | otg? | 19:02 |
| flailingmonkey | but hostmode != OTG, because it requires you to choose which mode to be in, instead of doing the dance | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | On The Go | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | A somewhat unrelated standard. | 19:03 |
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| tmartins_ | yes, of course, hostmode != otg! That got overlooked! | 19:03 |
| tmartins_ | now all I'm missing is infrastructure mode on the wifi :) | 19:04 |
| tmartins_ | Aw damn, media player is closed-source? | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | tmartins_: oops, this -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=696115#post696115 | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tmartins_: (MP) yep :-/ | 19:06 |
| flailingmonkey | it seems like the media player would be getting tons of attention if it was open, and instead we have a handful of alternate video players, audio players, streamers etc | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | and braindamaged | 19:07 |
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| tmartins_ | Well, it's all cool, as I said, KMPlayer is working just fine | 19:07 |
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| flailingmonkey | is KMPlayer able to use the dsp-accelerated codecs? | 19:08 |
| tmartins_ | but yeah, I would attempt to fix that right now if it was open... sounds like a quick fix | 19:08 |
| BCMM | actually, has anybody compiled a list of software that uses the DSP? | 19:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plus with open mediaplayer we could get rid of PITA#1 -> the tracker | 19:10 |
| flailingmonkey | tracker is great, in theory :-p | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | riiight... | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | and useless crap in practice | 19:11 |
| flailingmonkey | exactly | 19:11 |
| N900evil | tracker can be tamed | 19:11 |
| N900evil | I've got it behaving by editing config file | 19:11 |
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| flailingmonkey | does tracker fall into the "Maemo 5" package? such that updates are tied to PR releases? | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | but MP can't be fixed to *simply* use the fs tree | 19:11 |
| flailingmonkey | tracker could use a configuration GUI | 19:12 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: cuteexplorer is almost good enough to make it work | 19:12 |
| SpeedEvil | filemanager that you just click and it starts the player | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you can tame tracker like you want, MP still remains fubar crap | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | In testing now. | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | (vote up) | 19:13 |
| flailingmonkey | yeahhh. tracker has many "possibilities" but MP uses only a tiny amount of the data it records | 19:13 |
| flailingmonkey | SpeedEvil: playlists is the major thing you need, then you'd be golden | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: I don't give a shit on tracker, I KNOW where my media files are | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | yup | 19:14 |
| arachnist | tracker, a useless crap? | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and MP simply doesn't handle the concept of file generically | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | actually, it's a good load test | 19:15 |
| flailingmonkey | yes, especially since there is no search app | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | and a battery burner | 19:15 |
| arachnist | MohammadAG: if you often change files, yes. | 19:16 |
| flailingmonkey | heh | 19:16 |
| arachnist | i actually prefer to have my media on the device scanned and stuff sorted by artist/album | 19:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Any comments on missing bits of: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems#Video ? | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | arachnist, or if it feels like corrupting the database | 19:17 |
| SpeedEvil | err - the whole page I mean | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | arachnist: so what? sort it as you like. you got the nice simple commands mv and mkdir for that | 19:17 |
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| arachnist | MohammadAG: never happened to me, yet | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, that's not the easiest way if you have a lot of crap | 19:18 |
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| arachnist | DocScrutinizer: that stopped being "nice" and "simple" after 5th GB of music on my device | 19:18 |
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| flailingmonkey | in the end, you need playlists somehow. if you were able to base it all on filesystem, maybe a folder of symlinks could act as a playlist? | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | tss, playback of a file you just copied over to N900 also sn't exactly easy, given tracker not even noticed that fact yet | 19:18 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer; cuteexplorer | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yesyes, but then I have no playlists | 19:19 |
| SpeedEvil | true | 19:19 |
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| flailingmonkey | SpeedEvil: what do you think, of making "playlists" by playing a directory of symlinks? | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | MP is fubar, *because* it depends on tracker, which by itself is the wrong tool for the purpose | 19:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | flailingmonkey: insane. | 19:20 |
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| flailingmonkey | are you using MP to play the songs, and just selecting the songs with cuteexplorer? | 19:22 |
| flailingmonkey | or another program | 19:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly, each time I find the irreco buttons sorted in under my pictures to view, or the ringtones under my mp3 library, I feel strongly tempted to kill somebody | 19:22 |
| SpeedEvil | flailingmonkey: I've just been using it to browse my podcasts directoyu | 19:23 |
| SpeedEvil | You can tell it directories to exclude or include | 19:23 |
| flailingmonkey | ahhh, yes that is a major problem with tracker | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, I know that | 19:23 |
| SpeedEvil | It should exclude ringtones by default | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | not my proprietary ringtones folder | 19:23 |
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| flailingmonkey | QT tracker "configurator" tool? might be a good project | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if configured *right* the fsckng tracker would scan MyDocs/myMP3 and MyDocs/myPics *only* | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | and then I honestly don't need it anymore | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tracker is the *wrong tool* for the *wrong concept* | 19:25 |
| jcrawford | grrr contacts is pissing me off | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | see how e.g Amarok is doing that -> "ad folder to library" | 19:26 |
| arachnist | DocScrutinizer: care to explain what's wrong about indexing mediafiles by the metadata they contain? | 19:26 |
| jcrawford | i merge my contacts but they keep "unmerging" | 19:26 |
| GAN900 | flailingmonkey, problem is, the open experiments aren't going well | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | arachnist: I gues that's been caused by lag now :-) | 19:26 |
| flailingmonkey | if there was some system-wide search, that's when having tracker makes sense | 19:26 |
| GAN900 | Modest never gets any patches, nor h-a-m, MicroB or any of the other open projects. | 19:27 |
| GAN900 | If people would start seriously contributing to these projects we'd have a lot more ammo to go to Nokia with to open up other stuff. | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: exactly - except for media in mediaplayer | 19:28 |
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| E0x | GAN900: agree | 19:28 |
| arachnist | flailingmonkey: i guess you never heard of "locate" | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | wut? HAM is FOSS? | 19:29 |
| flailingmonkey | it's been claimed before, and I can't back it up, but my intuition tells me that people would contribute if they were able to see those contributions pushed out more often | 19:29 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: I suspect many people assume more stuff is closed than is. | 19:29 |
| flailingmonkey | I think many people think that everything that is tied to the PR updates isn't "open" because of that | 19:29 |
| SpeedEvil | exactly flailingmonkey. | 19:29 |
| flailingmonkey | yeah, what SpeedEvil said | 19:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | GAN900: For example - I was really surprised to find that hildon-desktop was open. | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | And I cloned the git repo, and was on the point of trying to work out what was causing the bug I was hitting, when it went away. | 19:33 |
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| MohammadAG | <GAN900> Modest never gets any patches, nor h-a-m, MicroB or any of the other open projects. <-- HAM's open? | 19:34 |
| * MohammadAG doubts that | 19:34 | |
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| frals | hams open | 19:35 |
| frals | maemo.gitorious.org, look for yourself! :P | 19:35 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, I agree. | 19:35 |
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| flailingmonkey | PR updates should basically be only closed-source code :-\ | 19:36 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, so let's focus on education and building that community contribution that we can convince Nokia to open more products with. | 19:36 |
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| GAN900 | flailingmonkey, the nature of Nokia's development structure and certification processes makes that more complicated than it sounds. | 19:36 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, is and has been for a while. | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG | Temporarily disabled <-- yay I can't download master | 19:37 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, the category view was a patch from Jaffa. | 19:37 |
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| MohammadAG | GAN900, category view? | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG | the icons? | 19:37 |
| flailingmonkey | GAN900: I am certain that you are right. the testing phase would be much much harder with the rest of the system being moving targets | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: I'm working on the hardware docs - http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems - intend to eventually have the user be able to click on 'lock button' - and it says 'the lock button is implemented in hardware by... 'and is dealt with in software by [[link]]. | 19:38 |
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| flailingmonkey | SpeedEvil: the Computing section has some missing components, like the DSP at least | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | thanks. | 19:40 |
| flailingmonkey | is there an ambient light sensor? for the auto-adjusting sceen brightness? | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 19:40 |
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| flailingmonkey | and the last ones I can think of are microSD slot and SIM card slot (no clue how the latter is handled though) | 19:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | SIM is there | 19:41 |
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| flailingmonkey | yes, I see it now | 19:42 |
| flailingmonkey | touch screen/sensor? | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | flailingmonkey: it's a rather cute sensor with a dedicated a/d converter and two separate sensors for IR-only and full-spectrum | 19:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | only drawback: it's too slow for a lot of interesting usecases | 19:45 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: can you answer some questions? | 19:45 |
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| flailingmonkey | last and almost least, FM transmitter (as opposed to the receiver in the Bluetooth chip) and infrared transmitter | 19:45 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: in regards of host mode | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | FM TX is seperate | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not now probably as I'm on a 90% load by watching TV | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | has most of the HW pages - including the FM TX | 19:46 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: well 2 questions | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter | 19:46 |
| jacekowski | [2010-06-02 18:33:04] <MohammadAG> echo e > /proc/driver/musb_hdrc | 19:47 |
| flailingmonkey | sounds good | 19:47 |
| jacekowski | i've looked into driver source code and there is no option 'e' | 19:47 |
| jacekowski | where that came from, patch? | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, and did you look at the patches? no | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | 2nd question? | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | and 2nd, what i2cset is doing? | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | that's just for battery managment? | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | raising power output to 5V | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: visit h-e-n.garage.maemo and get the patch | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | no | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | not yet | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | I found some minor problems, nokia forgot a = in the original source | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | since it's commented out in the original source, it's not a problem | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: i2cfoo is for VBUS 5V | 19:49 |
| jacekowski | patch applies against vanilia kernel.org kernel? | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | I said wait | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | no | 19:50 |
| jacekowski | or maemo sources? | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | maemo sources | 19:51 |
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| MohammadAG | wait, the package will fail | 19:51 |
| MohammadAG | sorry, had to delete the patch since it will fail | 19:52 |
| MohammadAG | will put up one in a bit | 19:52 |
| jacekowski | i made a copy | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, then fix it yourself :) | 19:53 |
| jacekowski | sure | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | it has 4 errors in it | 19:53 |
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| thp | lardman: ping | 19:54 |
| jacekowski | i want to hack bme so you don't have to kill it | 19:57 |
| teilzeitstudent | Anyone using MADDE with the "rx51-fremantle-pr12" runtime? | 19:57 |
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| slonopotamus | (more generified version: anyone using MADDE?) | 19:58 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, feel free to get the new patch, which I know you won't do | 20:01 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, when I get the promote package button and it says promoted, does that mean it will stay 10 days in quarantine then it'll get promoted? | 20:03 |
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| mikki-kun | does anybody know how i can add more 'buttons' to my xterm's bar? | 20:07 |
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| slonopotamus | google knows | 20:08 |
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| slonopotamus | i saw tips in the past on adding more special symbols keys to it if i'm not mistaken | 20:08 |
| mikki-kun | slonopotamus: i am trying to find it, buz apparently i am not using the right keywords ;/ | 20:09 |
| mikki-kun | that's why i am asking | 20:09 |
| mikki-kun | found it :) | 20:10 |
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| slonopotamus | mikki-kun: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=386536 | 20:13 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, gconf | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG | someone else already found that, meh | 20:15 |
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| mikki-kun | thanks for the help :) | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 20:17 |
| mikki-kun | i really love that with this community :) | 20:17 |
| mikki-kun | cya DocScrutinizer | 20:17 |
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| mikki-kun | :> haha ^^ makes typing via irssi now way faster | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 20:24 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 20:24 |
| flailingmonkey | ^^? | 20:24 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: have you made a package with i2cset? | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 20:25 |
| jacekowski | lm-sensors? | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | no | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | msg'd it | 20:26 |
| jacekowski | that's standard i2cset from lm-sensors? | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | or something fancy? | 20:27 |
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| MohammadAG | i2cset | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | actually | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | it's all i2ctools | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | i2cset is in the package | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | if you don't want the rest of the binaries | 20:28 |
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| jacekowski | btw. how is it done on n8x0? | 20:35 |
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| jacekowski | you have to plug in a cable with grounded id pin or something? | 20:36 |
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| flailingmonkey | n8x0 had no OTG (which is what ID pin is used for), they just had a program to switch the usb hardware into host mode | 20:45 |
| jacekowski | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008 | 20:46 |
| jacekowski | You can find a professionally modified USB OTG adapter designed specifically to provide automatic host-mode functionality on the N800 here | 20:46 |
| jacekowski | Ensure your tablet is running OS 2008, the device you want to use is supported, and plug it in using the adapter; the tablet will automatically switch into host mode | 20:46 |
| ds3 | a7 | 20:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | All we need with proper host-mode is a F-F adaptor | 20:49 |
| flailingmonkey | ah, that looks like it had some OTG support | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | and the standard cable | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | that's it | 20:49 |
| flailingmonkey | but look below, there is: "How to manually set the N800 with OS2008 to host mode" | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | No special adaptors, no nothing. | 20:49 |
| flailingmonkey | that is basically what we are doing. and SpeedEvil is right, the cable from Nokia with an F-F adapter (plugs into the end of the cable, and has a USB socket on the other side) is all that is needed | 20:50 |
| jacekowski | well, it would be nice if there would be no software required | 20:50 |
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| jacekowski | i mean, plug in cable and it just works | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | That's the idea eventually. | 20:51 |
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| jacekowski | stop bme; sleep 3; i2cset -y -m 0x07 2 0x6b 0x01 0x05; while true; do sleep 28; i2cset -y -m 0x80 2 0x6b 0x00 0x80; done | 20:53 |
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| jacekowski | 0x07 is battery charger/usb power thingy | 20:53 |
| jacekowski | but what's under 0x80? | 20:53 |
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| odin_ | which number is the self destruct arming mechanism again ? | 20:54 |
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| odin_ | Self Destruct Primary Sequence Engaged ... Charging Up Reactor Core .... Detonation in 10 ... 9 ... | 20:55 |
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| RST38h | ...Requesting approval for TI headquarters...APPROVAL GRANTED (Note: Why, let the sucker bite it!)...Self Destruct Initiated... | 20:56 |
| RST38h | s/for/from | 20:57 |
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| lasergun | Hi all. | 21:25 |
| lasergun | Anyone here knows where can I get the Maemo SDK (Scratchbox) on an VMWare image file? | 21:25 |
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| lasergun | an1 alive/? | 21:27 |
| cehteh | isnt that the default for the windows version? | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | I think he means back it up | 21:28 |
| lasergun | I'm talking about the Ubunto VMWare Image file that contains the Maemo SDK. | 21:29 |
| lasergun | The thing is I want to compile some Hildon sources.. and I can't do it on windows Madde for some readon. | 21:29 |
| cehteh | so why dont you make your own vm install | 21:30 |
| E0x | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ | 21:30 |
| lasergun | E0x, thanks for that, but for some reason it isn't htere. | 21:30 |
| lasergun | there. | 21:30 |
| E0x | better this http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 21:31 |
| cehteh | E0x: that talks about diablo | 21:31 |
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| E0x | google is outdate :( | 21:31 |
| lasergun | It should be there.. but I don't see it. | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | Linux ftw | 21:31 |
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| cehteh | well just install some linux distro which is supported by the sdk on your vmware or virtualbox or whatever | 21:31 |
| lasergun | Even the file list claims it should contain those files. | 21:31 |
| cehteh | and then install the sdk | 21:32 |
| lasergun | That's an idea. | 21:32 |
| cehteh | take a snapshot in case you want to start over .. | 21:32 |
| lasergun | Anyone here compiled maemo hildon sources ?? | 21:32 |
| E0x | somebody at the forum | 21:33 |
| E0x | post update images | 21:33 |
| E0x | look for it | 21:33 |
| lasergun | I tried looking for it there, with no success. | 21:33 |
| lasergun | There was someone who added links to the same place, but you can't download them. | 21:34 |
| lasergun | Mohammad, you are not the one who wrote the hildon-input-method by any chance? | 21:34 |
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| MohammadAG | hildon-input-method is closed source | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | and I'm not employed by Nokia | 21:36 |
| lasergun | not anymore. | 21:36 |
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| lasergun | ok.. I thought there might be a chance you were Mohhamad Anwari | 21:37 |
| lasergun | but the hildon-input-method is an open source, and distributed, it wasn't used to be open though. | 21:37 |
| lasergun | And that's what I am trying to compile.. | 21:37 |
| E0x | Mohhamad is not the more common name in the world ? | 21:38 |
| lasergun | Yes it is :) | 21:38 |
| frals | lasergun: parts of it is still closed | 21:38 |
| E0x | lasergun: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z | 21:39 |
| lasergun | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-input-method/ | 21:40 |
| lasergun | E0x, thanks , but you can't download it. download starts and it downloads only a coulpe of xml bytes saying there was an error. | 21:40 |
| E0x | oh , look like they remove it | 21:40 |
| lasergun | yep :( | 21:41 |
| E0x | if you search in google Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z | 21:41 |
| E0x | you can fine some torrent site with it | 21:41 |
| lasergun | Cool! thanks! | 21:42 |
| lasergun | hopefully it's online there. | 21:42 |
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| flailingmonkey | looks like libhildon-im-ui3, whatever it is, isn't open, and there is a dbg version of hildon-input-method that doesn't have source, but that is probably just compiler settings | 21:44 |
| lasergun | mm.. | 21:44 |
| lasergun | I downloaded this: | 21:44 |
| lasergun | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-input-method/hildon-input-method_2.1.46-1+0m5.tar.gz | 21:45 |
| lasergun | And this is the package I want to alter. | 21:45 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: i'm pretty sure that hildon-input-method isn't | 21:46 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, <frals> lasergun: parts of it is still closed | 21:46 |
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| lasergun | I also saw a video about hildon-input-method of mohhamad, claiming it will be open soon.. and was a long time ago. | 21:47 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: anyways, where have you found chip id's? | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, err? | 21:47 |
| flailingmonkey | interesting bit from TODO of hildon-desktop: Implement Close Applications dialog, shown when the user wants to start a new application but we don't have enough RAM. | 21:47 |
| jacekowski | for i2c | 21:47 |
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| MohammadAG | Ask DocScrutinizer51, I only packaged it | 21:48 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: where have you found chip id's? | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | huh? | 21:48 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think anyone has solved the problem of detecting when there's not "enough" memory yet :) | 21:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: which chip id? | 21:49 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: for i2cset | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | in the datasheets | 21:50 |
| ShadowJK | The IDs are hardcoded into the chips. The id can be found in the datasheet for the chips | 21:50 |
| ShadowJK | and the N900 schmeatics show which i2c bus they're on | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | exactly | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then pray you dodn't err somewhere and accidentally erase some firmware by a malformed I2C read | 21:51 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 21:51 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect most of the chips lack eeprom to store firmware anyway | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's quite exciting :-) | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | the chances are low | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but non-zero | 21:53 |
| ShadowJK | yep | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | that's the reason you have that BOLD warning in i2ctools readme | 21:54 |
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| jacekowski | so 0x07 is for GAIA? | 21:56 |
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| jacekowski | or battery charger | 21:57 |
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| xDaReaperx | lol's at : apt-get moo | 21:58 |
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| lasergun | thanks all.... | 21:59 |
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| xDaReaperx | ur welcome | 22:01 |
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| xDaReaperx | hey , how do i know if my firmware is a global firmware ? | 22:06 |
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| MohammadAG | Settings > about product | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | -002 is US, -003 is UK | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | not sure about global, version number got wiped by the custom kernel | 22:07 |
| xDaReaperx | mine is 003 | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | UK | 22:07 |
| xDaReaperx | i bought it in the Middle east | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, sec | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | my bad | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | ME | 22:07 |
| xDaReaperx | i wonder why the price of the N900 over here is 518 $ | 22:07 |
| xDaReaperx | 003 is middle east ? | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | MENA, yes | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 22:08 |
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| xDaReaperx | can i flash it to Global firmware ? | 22:09 |
| xDaReaperx | cause i dunno what all features have been removed in the ME firmware | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | nothing afaik | 22:09 |
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| MohammadAG | only the indian version lacks Skype | 22:09 |
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| MohammadAG | the rest are mostly the same | 22:09 |
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| xDaReaperx | hmmm okay , yeah good thing i didn't buy it from India | 22:10 |
| xDaReaperx | lol , i thought of | 22:10 |
| arachnist | why would the indian version lack skype? | 22:11 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah Indian regulatinos | 22:11 |
| xDaReaperx | regulations * | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | arachnist, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55186 the firmware version is also smaller than the rest | 22:11 |
| xDaReaperx | The Indian Government has some regulations about Skype usage | 22:11 |
| ioan | I'm looking for that vmware image that has the maemo sdk/development tools already installed | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | deja vu | 22:12 |
| * MohammadAG scrolls up | 22:12 | |
| MohammadAG | <E0x> lasergun: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z | 22:12 |
| ioan | thanks :-) | 22:12 |
| xDaReaperx | instead of removing the battery , isn't there a command line or something to display the IMIE number ? | 22:13 |
| Scelt | xDaReaperx: *#06# | 22:13 |
| xDaReaperx | ty | 22:13 |
| Scelt | np | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | dbus-send --system --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM/security Phone.Sim.Security.get_imei | 22:14 |
| ShadowJK | i think it's in settings - about | 22:14 |
| ShadowJK | too | 22:14 |
| xDaReaperx | oh ya lol i forgot abt that | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | wouldn't an app be able to hijack that and replace the IMEI? | 22:14 |
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| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, as in tell other apps lies about the imei? yeah | 22:15 |
| ShadowJK | but the imei going out through the radio couldn't be changed I'd think | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | should've said "replace" :) | 22:17 |
| ioan | MohammadAG: the link is broken, and the torrent says ETA 3 years, probably by then the SDK is too old | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | ala fmtx-faker | 22:17 |
| ioan | :-) | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | meh | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | wow | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | the images were taken down | 22:18 |
| * MohammadAG pings X-Fade, hopefully you'll see this on Monday | 22:18 | |
| xDaReaperx | USB host mode ? whats that ? | 22:19 |
| E0x | connect usb-things on the device | 22:19 |
| xDaReaperx | oh okay use USB sticks and stuff | 22:19 |
| * frals is starting to wonder if the art of using a search engine is lost | 22:19 | |
| xDaReaperx | cool | 22:19 |
| xDaReaperx | frals : i actually found it out | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | frals, actually they were taken down :) | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | frals, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Images#Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Image_Installation | 22:20 |
| E0x | hmm the maemo sdk install download a few things but the proxy block the site , where i need put that things | 22:21 |
| E0x | and the maemo install script look it | 22:21 |
| E0x | ? | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | 3,059 items, totalling 389.1 MB != a few | 22:22 |
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| E0x | MohammadAG: no all are block | 22:23 |
| E0x | i think the only one is the binary closed | 22:23 |
| E0x | package | 22:23 |
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| MohammadAG | huh | 22:23 |
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| andrewfblack | didn't PR 1.2 fix problem with Dynamic WEP keys? | 22:25 |
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| Ikarus | dynamic wep keys | 22:26 |
| Ikarus | you mean WPA | 22:26 |
| Ikarus | (not WPA2) | 22:26 |
| xDaReaperx | will my N900 work with the Network providers of India ? | 22:26 |
| xDaReaperx | cause i bought it from the Middle east ? | 22:27 |
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| microlith | xDaReaperx: n900 hardware is the same worldwide except for the keyboard | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | and the FMTX in hong kong | 22:28 |
| microlith | can't that be enabled though? | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | the HW was removed | 22:28 |
| microlith | oh | 22:28 |
| microlith | wow, they went farther than I thought they would | 22:28 |
| xDaReaperx | well isn't it like certain network providers have different frequencies ? | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | well qwerty12 enabled it, so... :) | 22:29 |
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| MohammadAG | I wouldn't be surprised if they made the HW revision different for the indian version | 22:29 |
| jacekowski | 21:28 < MohammadAG> the HW was removed | 22:29 |
| jacekowski | 21:29 < MohammadAG> well qwerty12 enabled it, so... :) | 22:29 |
| microlith | xDaReaperx: yes, so check the N900's supported frequencies against the ones used in India | 22:29 |
| jacekowski | so qwerty12 enabled removed hw? | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | enabled it in other devices... | 22:29 |
| xDaReaperx | hmm okay | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, you seem to be picking on what I'm saying lately | 22:30 |
| jacekowski | emm, | 22:30 |
| jacekowski | no | 22:30 |
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| MohammadAG | k | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmtx-faker/ | 22:30 |
| jacekowski | i'm picking on what everybody is saying | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, some EU devices had the HW, but it was disabled, qwerty12 enabled that | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG | if they left it in the HK version they're basically telling everyone to go install a package | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG | oh and US devices have the step set as 0.2 (88.1-88.3 etc...), the package fixes that too | 22:32 |
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| jacekowski | have somebody opened it and noticed hole where fmtx was supposed to be? | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 22:32 |
| jacekowski | well, i'm not going to belive in that unless somebody posts pics | 22:32 |
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| jacekowski | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=657153&postcount=31 | 22:33 |
| jacekowski | The FM transmitter option is missing from the Setup menu. However, I manage to use the fm-transfmitter by apt-get fmtx-faker and fmtx-middleware. | 22:34 |
| * MohammadAG stands corrected | 22:34 | |
| BCMM | ooh, an update for extra codecs says it has webm support | 22:34 |
| BCMM | anyone know if that uses the DSP? | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | decoders-support installs gstreamer packages afaik | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | gstreamer is what the DSP uses | 22:35 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: well, it might be just somebody saying bs | 22:35 |
| X-Fade | That is so wrong in many ways ;) | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | hey X-Fade | 22:36 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: so i wouldn't belive in anything unless they show pics | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | k | 22:36 |
| microlith | MohammadAG: rather, gstreamer uses the DSP, but only if the codec binary supports it, no? | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | I went with jacekowski's suggestion, and uploaded i2c-tools, along with a shitload of warnings and agreements | 22:36 |
| X-Fade | That is more like it, yes ;) | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | hope you don't mind X-Fade :) | 22:36 |
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| Mozillion | if I want to file a bug report against UMTS/GPRS data, is this product Connectivity, or which? I cannot find the right component | 22:37 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: No, as long as it is not user/* sectioned? | 22:37 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: so what is going to happen to chromium? | 22:37 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: because i'm sort of lost | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, nope, not in a user/ section | 22:37 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: Was there an announcement already? | 22:37 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: good. | 22:37 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: i never saw one | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | and it uses maemo-confirm-text to show an agreement dialog | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, oh and the package didn't get imported at :05, no idea why | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | Warning: This package does not have a proper description | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | neither at :35 | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, that's cause it wasn't imported | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, Size: | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | 0 bytes should've given it away | 22:39 |
| jacekowski | well, happened to me before | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | importer's down I guess? | 22:39 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Ah, maintenance node is down. | 22:39 |
| ShadowJK | webm would not use the dsp, there's no vp8 codec for dsp | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, grr | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 22:40 |
| X-Fade | Wonder why.. Let me check the vm host. | 22:40 |
| ShadowJK | so I'd guess slightly slower than mplayer doing h264 | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | lots of packages to be imported after i2c-tools | 22:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fmtx can not be removed on a hw level - it's integrated with bt | 22:43 |
| X-Fade | Hmm typical friday afternoon the admin is gone issue ;( | 22:43 |
| jacekowski | so you don't have 24/7 NOC? | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, so it's down till monday? | 22:43 |
| X-Fade | Sure, that is not it. It is just that things like that always happen when you have weekend ;) | 22:43 |
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| andrewfblack | Ikarus: Network says its WEP | 22:45 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, it is importing atm. | 22:46 |
| GAN900 | X-Fade, repong? | 22:46 |
| X-Fade | Now to find out why I the kvm did not close down gracefully. | 22:46 |
| X-Fade | GAN900: Which one? ;) | 22:47 |
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| GAN900 | X-Fade, you pinged me about something early this morning. | 22:47 |
| X-Fade | Ah yeah, the testers thingie. | 22:47 |
| * GAN900 was sleeping, as you were clearly aware. :P | 22:47 | |
| X-Fade | GAN900: I miss the insomnia GAN :( | 22:47 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: one thing came to my mind | 22:48 |
| * MohammadAG gulps | 22:48 | |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: have you checked what happens when you connect n900 in host mode to other host? | 22:48 |
| jacekowski | does it explode? | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | nope, but it won't stay in host mode after you unplug it | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: no | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | "OTG crap" I guess | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | it goes from a_host to a_suspend | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: also I wonder why you nag MohammadAG with this... ;-D | 22:49 |
| Ikarus | andrewfblack: yeah, WPA is WEP with a key changing scheme | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm really not sure :P | 22:49 |
| jacekowski | well, he made a patch | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | er | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | orly? | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | I just 'compiled' all patches needed | 22:50 |
| jacekowski | well, packaged it | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | into one huge patch | 22:50 |
| jacekowski | you managed to do something that nobody else did | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's what you earn by such niceness ;-P | 22:51 |
| jacekowski | you should fell like a god or something | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | which could be a positive defect in my N900, according to t-tan | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, I'm quite humble :) | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I honestly doubt you have a clear perception of the whole picture | 22:51 |
| xDaReaperx | how abt under clocking ? | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | he doesn't :) | 22:52 |
| andrewfblack | I'm going to put my maemo.org theme's Pr 1.2 up for ransom for getting my N900 connected to work network. I'll release it once my phone connect lol | 22:52 |
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| xDaReaperx | will under clocking reduce device life ? | 22:52 |
| jacekowski | xDaReaperx: it will reduce battery life | 22:52 |
| jacekowski | xDaReaperx: and it will be unstable | 22:52 |
| xDaReaperx | underclocking is done to increase battery life right? | 22:52 |
| jacekowski | not if you go too low | 22:53 |
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| xDaReaperx | hmm ok | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, it got imported, now it has a description, you noob :P | 22:53 |
| jacekowski | apparently underclocking reduces time device spends in idle | 22:54 |
| jacekowski | and makes it go to higher frequencies more often | 22:54 |
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| xDaReaperx | hmm yeah i think it cracshes all apps | 22:58 |
| xDaReaperx | unstable | 22:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 125MHz actually is reported to be unstable | 22:59 |
| xDaReaperx | 250 should do | 23:00 |
| xDaReaperx | good | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why it's not used. | 23:00 |
| xDaReaperx | hmm | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise why should Nokia not use it?? | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it actually improved the user experience you bet they'd enable it | 23:01 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders what strange minds might think Nokia is crippling N900 features/performance just to piss users | 23:01 | |
| E0x | apple do that | 23:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for sure nokia sometimes does errrr suboptimal decisions and think they know what users need, see e.g. hiding real fs tree away from user and just offering MyDocs and Card | 23:03 |
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| konfoo | hiding the real fs tree makes perfect sense | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | but nokia isn't a bunch of pathological sadists that feel joy in pissing off users | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | they don't hide it | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | just default app manager shows 2 folders | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | xDaReaperx: 250 is normall speed | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if underclocking isn't enabled: ask yourself why. if overclocking isn't enabled: ask yourself if there might be a good reason for that | 23:05 |
| xDaReaperx | wat's a flasher? | 23:06 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | if SmartReflex dynamic corevoltage is disabled - all the same | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | well it flashes | 23:06 |
| GAN900 | ~flasher | 23:06 |
| infobot | flasher is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: smartreflex is disabled? | 23:06 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, Nokia wants to keep the poor man down. | 23:07 |
| frals | DocScrutinizer; you are wrong! tmo users >>> TI/Nokia engineers when it comes to evulating whats good for the soc and not! | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: it wasn't used in pre 1.2, and is even not supported in 1.2 kernel | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: exactly, that's why I love tmo so much I can't tell | 23:07 |
| frals | ;D | 23:08 |
| frals | bah, made the mistake of importing gtk in my status menu plugin | 23:08 |
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| frals | interesting none has noticed their battery draining faster yet | 23:08 |
| * andrewfblack is now blackmailing the Maemo community http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55196 | 23:09 | |
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| xDaReaperx | lol | 23:10 |
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| frals | uhm | 23:12 |
| frals | once you hit promote on a package to get it to -testing, you cant demote it? | 23:12 |
| X-Fade | frals: Yes, vote your own package down. | 23:13 |
| frals | alright, cheers :) | 23:13 |
| X-Fade | Then it will be removed from the queue. | 23:13 |
| xDaReaperx | hey is there a widget to see how much you have downloaded and uploaded in your life time ? | 23:14 |
| xDaReaperx | on the n900 | 23:14 |
| GAN900 | X-Fade, yeah, actually working most of your time tends to fix your sleep schedule right quick. :P | 23:14 |
| X-Fade | GAN900: Yeah, I can imagine. | 23:15 |
| GAN900 | X-Fade, I'll try to get the final push going this weekend. | 23:15 |
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| X-Fade | GAN900: Thanks | 23:16 |
| GAN900 | The device queue is rolling, so there's one thing off my list. | 23:16 |
| * GAN900 pumps his arms in the air. | 23:16 | |
| * MohammadAG blackmails andrewfblack | 23:17 | |
| andrewfblack | MohammadAG: got to have something I want to blackmail me | 23:17 |
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| asj_ | xDaReaperx: do you use the build in bandwidth counter? | 23:19 |
| xDaReaperx | >hey is there a widget to see how much you have downloaded and uploaded in your life time ? | 23:19 |
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| xDaReaperx | there is a bandwidth counter ? | 23:19 |
| xDaReaperx | built in ? | 23:19 |
| xDaReaperx | never saw it | 23:19 |
| asj_ | xDaReaperx: then install the bw counter widget, hmm it's cell data only thoguh | 23:19 |
| xDaReaperx | Oh well yeah thats what i wanted, the 3G data thingy | 23:19 |
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| valdyn | xDaReaperx: you can reset it, and you can have scheduled resets | 23:23 |
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| xDaReaperx | well you can do this right ? /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 | 23:23 |
| xDaReaperx | to know total send and received bytes ? | 23:23 |
| valdyn | xDaReaperx: thats a different counter | 23:24 |
| valdyn | xDaReaperx: that one resets if you reboot | 23:24 |
| xDaReaperx | oh | 23:24 |
| xDaReaperx | hmm there's none which dosent reset ? | 23:24 |
| jacekowski | sort of | 23:24 |
| jacekowski | ifconfig counters overflows | 23:25 |
| valdyn | xDaReaperx: the bandwidth counter for 2g/3g doesnt reset by itself | 23:25 |
| jacekowski | at 4G | 23:25 |
| jacekowski | 32bit int | 23:25 |
| X-Fade | xDaReaperx: personal-gprs-mon | 23:25 |
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| jacekowski | on 64 bit platform it's almost infinite | 23:25 |
| * MohammadAG51 tests | 23:25 | |
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| jacekowski | iptables counter is much bigger | 23:25 |
| jacekowski | and it can be saved/restored | 23:26 |
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| xDaReaperx | whats the personal gprs mon ? | 23:26 |
| X-Fade | xDaReaperx: google ;) | 23:26 |
| xDaReaperx | ok | 23:26 |
| asj_ | xDaReaperx: that's the one I talked about, the name of the widget | 23:26 |
| xDaReaperx | oh okay | 23:26 |
| xDaReaperx | ty | 23:26 |
| asj_ | xDaReaperx: I think it's what you want actually | 23:26 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah | 23:26 |
| xDaReaperx | thanks | 23:26 |
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| * MohammadAGRX-51 tests again | 23:26 | |
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| xDaReaperx | sadly there's no Wlan data counter that dosent reset | 23:31 |
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| xDaReaperx | i think i found something wrong in the background image option | 23:36 |
| xDaReaperx | it shows home_li_get_ovi | 23:36 |
| xDaReaperx | instead of Ovi | 23:36 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | missing string | 23:36 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | * MohammadAG51 :Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable | 23:36 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | uhm | 23:36 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah , i downloaded the Meamo.org theme | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | muhaha, locked in portrait mode | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | works great for even systray menu | 23:37 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | xDaReaperx, that theme won't be updated | 23:37 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | till andrewfblack gets what he wants | 23:37 |
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| xDaReaperx | oh , that sucks .... i better tick to the Nokia Nseries theme then | 23:37 |
| xDaReaperx | stick 8 | 23:37 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | xDaReaperx, check the blackmail thread :P | 23:37 |
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| xDaReaperx | oh lol i saw that | 23:37 |
| xDaReaperx | but i thought he was joking | 23:37 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | nope lol | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | any suggestion except reboot? | 23:38 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | yes | 23:38 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | ctrl shift x | 23:38 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | killall hildon-desktop | 23:38 |
| xDaReaperx | wait i changed the theme now but it still shows home_li_get_ovi | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | please in less than2pchar) | 23:38 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | (all other crap will be in portrait mode till you open a portait app and close it) | 23:38 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | DocScrutinizer51, open terminal and kill it! | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry only can read the nick :P | 23:39 |
| xDaReaperx | killall hildon-desktop | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | k | 23:39 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | lol | 23:39 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | killall | 23:39 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | hildon-desktop | 23:39 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | ctrl | 23:39 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | shift | 23:39 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | x | 23:39 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | happy? :) | 23:40 |
| xDaReaperx | rofl | 23:40 |
| xDaReaperx | hey how is there a broken string mohammad ? | 23:40 |
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| xDaReaperx | still shows home_li_get_ovi | 23:40 |
| xDaReaperx | how to fix it | 23:40 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | hmm | 23:40 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | not sure | 23:40 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | did they keep the widget in 1.2? | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | YEAH!! :-D | 23:41 |
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| asj_ | while you are at it why not kill -1 -1 ? | 23:41 |
| xDaReaperx | well i'm not sure | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAGRX-51: thanks | 23:41 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | DocScrutinizer51, check the status menu :P | 23:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | LOL | 23:41 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | DocScrutinizer51, open a portrait app and go back to landscape | 23:41 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | e.g phone :P | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | tried that | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or do you suggest that for the systray menu only? | 23:42 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | the status menu should go back | 23:42 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | yeah | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ok | 23:42 |
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| ponyofdeath | hi, how do i get the virtual keyboard to display? | 23:43 |
| HexaByte | Hey guys, i'm having problems installing python on fremantle 1.2: >> python: Depends: python2.5 (>= 2.5.2-15) but it is not going to be installed << | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol. that gave me 'full portrait mode' again XP | 23:44 |
| HexaByte | can anyone help? | 23:44 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | LOL | 23:44 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | desktop and status menu | 23:44 |
| MohammadAGRX-51 | kill em | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ok invoked dialer from desktop (fter killing h-desktop) and autorotated dialer to portrait and back. now menu is fixed | 23:47 |
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| MohammadAG | :) | 23:47 |
| HexaByte | can anyone help me? with this problem?: python2.5: Depends: python2.5-minimal (= 2.5.4-1maemo6) but 2.5.4-1maemo5 is to be installed | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | is this a 'feature' of the 1.2 kernel? (can't think how) | 23:48 |
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| MohammadAG | nope | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | that's ctrl+shift+r | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | you upgraded? | 23:49 |
| Sargun_Screen | ctrl shirt are. | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just 'your' kernel | 23:49 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | btw originally triggered that by an accidental 'doubleclick' in taskswitcher | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | hasn't happened to me on 1.2 | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | maybe it was fixed? | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | never happened to me before either | 23:51 |
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| MohammadAG | it happened to me loads | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, you also get stuck in hostmode while nobody else even can start it ;-P | 23:53 |
| b-man | MohammadAG: jump on #xceleo-tmp until i can fix #xceleo ;P | 23:54 |
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