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| n900Marco | hello | 00:05 |
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| Appiah | >_> | 00:06 |
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| pupnik | http://cgi.ebay.de/Nokia-Rubber-Boots-wading-size-47-Finland-hunting-Fish_W0QQitemZ150423669253QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Men_s_Athletic_Footwear?hash=item2305f30a05 | 00:13 |
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| wiretapped | pupnik: those look pretty sweet but they'll probably be obsolete in a few months | 00:19 |
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| nidO | they seem to have lasted 20 years rather well | 00:19 |
| wiretapped | >_> | 00:20 |
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| jaska | hmm, ive had that type of nokia boots, shame my feet grew too big for em | 00:21 |
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| pupnik | :/ i would like those | 00:39 |
| pupnik | on the other hand, i can spraypaint a logo on my own boots and have as much fun | 00:40 |
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| Arif_ | do you want Nokia made paper? | 00:42 |
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| pupnik | they made paper too? | 00:44 |
| Arif_ | yes | 00:44 |
| pupnik | hey Arif_ do you know Khertan? | 00:46 |
| Arif_ | mh | 00:47 |
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| Arif_ | no | 00:47 |
| pupnik | also .fr | 00:47 |
| Arif_ | also? | 00:49 |
| Arif_ | stop insulting me | 00:49 |
| Arif_ | ;( | 00:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | hey, the french are cool | 00:50 |
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| Shapeshifter | apart from the fact that many of them code in french. | 00:50 |
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| pupnik | being in #maemo, we have more in common than nationality anyway | 00:55 |
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| pupnik | "Craigix: Oh, forgot to tell you all, the battery was upped to 4200mah" you have to respect real geeks | 00:57 |
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| Arif_ | what battery | 00:58 |
| pupnik | the openpandora one | 00:59 |
| pupnik | screw these "N900 is too big" candyass ... whatevers | 00:59 |
| pupnik | it's too SMALL | 00:59 |
| Appiah | to big for what | 00:59 |
| pupnik | for their wallet, clearly | 01:00 |
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| Arif_ | small? | 01:00 |
| Arif_ | its a brick | 01:00 |
| Arif_ | :D | 01:00 |
| pupnik | it is exactly as wide as the palm of my hand | 01:03 |
| pwnguin | openpandora: every unit comes with a free case of carpal tunnel | 01:04 |
| DrGrov | Damn this battery lifetime | 01:04 |
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| pupnik | the ergonomics is extremely good | 01:04 |
| pwnguin | and you'd know that how? | 01:05 |
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| DrGrov | It is not even close to what I expect... I just powered it off, fully charged it, turned it on, opened WiFi and checked some 2-3 Youtube videos and deleted some messages and call log. But back again to around 50% of battery time after just keeping it on for about 1 hour, 1,5 hour tops. | 01:05 |
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| pupnik | because i can visualize | 01:06 |
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| pwnguin | you'd have to, because two years on and pandora still hasn't shipped | 01:06 |
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| pwnguin | DrGrov: it seems to last for about two days for me; perhaps there's some battery calibration you have to do before percentages mean anything | 01:08 |
| DrGrov | How do I know that the N900 is switched off when charging? | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | DrGrov, sounds like something's up. | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | DrGrov, it's not. | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: try running it flat | 01:14 |
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| DrGrov | pwnguin: ok, i don't mean percentages but an estimate of the battery status. | 01:18 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: i don't know now that the power is off when i am recharging it? | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | DrGrov, the power is not off when you're recharging it. | 01:19 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: running it flat? completely drain out the battery and let it power off? | 01:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's mostly booted, in fact. | 01:19 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: aha, but i actually have turned off the power completely and put in the charger once it has closed down. | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | DrGrov, and it boots back up to charge. | 01:20 |
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| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: aha, so there is no way to sort of fully charge it? | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | DrGrov, what do you mean? | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why wouldn't it be able to charge fully when it's on? | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | lshal|grep voltage.current will tell you current voltage | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | It should be 4190+-10 or so when fully charged | 01:22 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: i usually always had a thing when charging that i switch off my phone when i charge and then power it back on | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | DrGrov, to what end? | 01:23 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: ok, i will test that line tomorrow. | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rebooting is power-intensive. | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | There is no need to do that with the wall charger | 01:23 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: iirc you don't have the device for very long? All I know, it's recommended to do at least 10 charge/deplete-to-about-10% cycles at the beginning and the deplete it completely to "condition" the battery | 01:23 |
| DrGrov | it is just a thing i've always been doing | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | With the USB charger, it's slightly helpful in terms of charge speed | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, not for single-cell batteries. | 01:23 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: after that, don't deplete the battery fully all too often, but every now and then. | 01:23 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: oh? | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, there's nothing to calibrate. | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no need to play the calibration game on anything but multicell laptop batteries. | 01:24 |
| Shapeshifter | aha. | 01:24 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: no, i had the device for 7 days now. what i understand of the n900 battery is that i should not let it run out completely. | 01:24 |
| pupnik | pwnguin: yeah and when it is in my grubby mitts, it will still kick butt two years later. that's pretty good | 01:24 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: i can and should charge the battery whenever i feel like it without losing any charging capacity. | 01:24 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: my cousin has been working with electronics the past 20 years or so | 01:25 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: he's the one who told me that it doesn't matter on the N900 battery how I do with the charge and when... | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | DrGrov, for the most part. | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's recommended not to let it discharge more than is necessary | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | and don't leave it in a depleted state for a long period of time. | 01:26 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: yes, and that I haven't done. I keep it around 50% of the battery status and then charge. | 01:26 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: yeah, that can be a PITA to leave it depleted for a longer period of time. Luckily that is not the case now with my old N97 that my fiancee has in use at the moment. I kept that depleted for about 1 month or so. And the battery is lasting long for her. | 01:27 |
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| DrGrov | So, now when the power should be off and charging... How do I know that it is not turned off? Pressing the "lock" button on the top side gently to check? | 01:29 |
| DrGrov | damnnn.. | 01:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DrGrov, you know because the charger's plugged in | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't need to turn it off to charge, though. | 01:31 |
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| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: I just have always turned all my phones off when I charge. Don't ask me why, it is a old habit which is hard to kill off :) | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | DrGrov, kill it. ;) | 01:32 |
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| Arif_ | that's a weird habbit... | 01:32 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: The left side LED in the front panel is omitting a orangish light atm... | 01:33 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: no, I refuse to kill it ;) | 01:33 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: i am used to having perfect track record of keeping my phones perfect in shape. my old N73ME just has a 0.5mm scratch on the left upper side on the back panel. And that is it ; ) | 01:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DrGrov, well, then, turning it off to charge is a good habit to kill. :) | 01:34 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: ah yes, it is. I always have taken very good care of all my phones and other electronics. | 01:35 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: but seriously, how do I know the phone is switched off when I keep it charging now? LOL | 01:35 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: i am getting nervous ;) | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | DrGrov, it's not turned off when charging | 01:35 |
| nidO | well, define off. | 01:35 |
| nidO | because when charging, it isnt | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It has to boot to load the battery charging daemon. | 01:35 |
| nidO | its just not booted to the full os | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | So if you have the charger plugged in then it's on. | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Full stop. | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | DrGrov, turning it off for charging is pointless and actually uses up more power in the long run. | 01:36 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: so, if I keep the charger in after it has fully charged it will drain power until I put power on? | 01:36 |
| nidO | yes, slowly | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | DrGrov, shutting down and booting use up a lot of power. | 01:37 |
| nidO | and then booting the phone will use gobloads of power | 01:37 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: aha, so that explains my god damn power drain | 01:37 |
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| DrGrov | No I charge it so the green light is on and then unplug the damn charger and let it be off. I don't give a flying fuck :D | 01:38 |
| nidO | and then turning it on to use = uses lots of the power you just put into it | 01:38 |
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| nidO | may as well just charge it to full while already on. | 01:39 |
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| DrGrov | nidO: ok, but i take out the charger cable now when it has charged and don't turn it on anymore tonight. just in the morning. still same thing? | 01:39 |
| Arif_ | have you tried a different battery? | 01:40 |
| DrGrov | nidO: extra power draining because i turn it on immidiately after charging and same thing when turning it on in the morning after 10-12 hours? | 01:40 |
| nidO | well, when you turn it on in the morning itll still use a big chunk of power. I have no idea what your actual issue is though, I joined this conversation halfway through | 01:41 |
| DrGrov | i am sure it is my excessive booting up that drains the battery | 01:41 |
| * shamus is happy he finaly managed to get good life out of his n800 almost 2 days wifi on on standby | 01:41 | |
| DrGrov | i just like to turn on my phone and then charge it and then leave it like that. | 01:41 |
| DrGrov | it always has been my thing with my nokia phones... never this serious battery draining as the n900... | 01:42 |
| DrGrov | but nevermind, i will charge it again tomorrow with power on when i switch it on. | 01:42 |
| DrGrov | so, no problem | 01:42 |
| DrGrov | thanks nidO, Arif_, GeneralAntilles and the rest of you guys for helping :) | 01:42 |
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| DrGrov | I know I might sound like a complete freaking idiot most of the time... | 01:48 |
| DrGrov | I apologize. | 01:48 |
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| pupnik | it's sort of wrong to compare N900 'phones' | 01:50 |
| pupnik | i compare it to N810 ;P | 01:51 |
| DrGrov | pupnik: how you mean? | 01:51 |
| DrGrov | pupnik: you think there will be any 3G video calls from phone -> phone in the future for the N900? | 01:51 |
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| Arif_ | knowing Nokia there won't | 01:51 |
| pupnik | learn about the Internet Tablets and Maemo DrGrov | 01:52 |
| pupnik | that is the lineage of N900 | 01:52 |
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| DrGrov | pupnik: i am actually pretty well read on this matters but don't really know so much practical things since i haven't had a N800/N810.. | 01:54 |
| DrGrov | *these | 01:55 |
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| DrGrov | pupnik: so trying to learn one step at a time | 01:55 |
| pupnik | ok well you understand then why it is sort of wrong to compare N900 to what people think of as phones. - smartphones are a different class of battery eaters | 01:55 |
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| pupnik | fast cpu, lots of ram and flash, huge bright screens, websites chewing CPU... | 01:58 |
| pupnik | "Ah kinna change the laws o'physics kaptin!" | 01:58 |
| DrGrov | pupnik: sure, I had myself an N97 for a quite long period of time so I know what the smartphones are considering battery | 01:58 |
| pupnik | ah k | 01:58 |
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| DrGrov | pupnik: but i think the N900 will just become better and better when more people get it available | 02:02 |
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| * Arif_ is thinking of getting an X6 | 02:03 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol S60 | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | What a bad joke. | 02:04 |
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| Arif_ | symbian \o/ | 02:05 |
| Saviq | hi all, anyone got the sygic maps going? I'm having problems getting them on - they segfault on start... I don't have no SD card so can't get it anywhere else... /home/opt is only 2 gig, is it supposed to go there? | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . is shit | 02:05 |
| pupnik | "I have discovered the secret of deceiving diplomats. I tell them the truth and they don't believe me." | 02:05 |
| sheepbat | hrm.. I think the LED on my phone is failing | 02:05 |
| Arif_ | Saviq, MyDocs | 02:06 |
| Lumpio- | Red LED of death? | 02:06 |
| sheepbat | it only works intermittently | 02:06 |
| Saviq | Arif_: ah so no subfolders? Maps, Res and Drive directly under MyDocs? | 02:06 |
| Arif_ | yes | 02:06 |
| dotCOMmie | is the IR on n900 irda? | 02:06 |
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| Saviq | Arif_: thanks a bunch | 02:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dotCOMmie, no, CIR. | 02:08 |
| dotCOMmie | CIR? so its able to send arbitrary IR sequences? | 02:08 |
| dotCOMmie | Are there any IR apps out there? | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just not receive. | 02:08 |
| dotCOMmie | ah | 02:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | irreco | 02:09 |
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| dotCOMmie | GeneralAntilles: cool | 02:10 |
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| openstandards | it would be cool if we'd be able to send an IR to the phone to take a picture | 02:13 |
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| breakd0wn | hi, does anyone here use wiicontrol | 02:15 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 02:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dotCOMmie: IR LEDs are connected to a SoC PWM | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | dotCOMmie: (nobody is able to understand why nokia didn't use the CIR dedicated function pin) | 02:22 |
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| KarnivOre | hi | 02:25 |
| KarnivOre | just got the n900 today, i am impressed! | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 02:26 |
| KarnivOre | im a bit stuck with installing from source though | 02:26 |
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| thresh | wut | 02:27 |
| KarnivOre | aye, it is shameful i know | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | installing from source? | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody's installing from source. I mean that's not gentoo, you know | 02:28 |
| dotCOMmie | DocScrutinizer: and thats the reason for why it can send only? | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | dotCOMmie: no | 02:28 |
| KarnivOre | lol well that explains my difficulty then! | 02:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | dotCOMmie: the reason it can't recieve is there is no hardware | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | dotCOMmie: nope. It got no rcv at all | 02:28 |
| dotCOMmie | Most of general purpose pins are IO so I figued you could do in on CIR pin | 02:29 |
| dotCOMmie | DocScrutinizer: are there any interesting docs on the internal hardware? | 02:29 |
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| KarnivOre | so if i have added the extras, extras-test and dev repositories, does that mean there is nothing else currently available to install? | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dotCOMmie: the schematics | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and SpeedEvil 's pretty good wiki pages | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dotCOMmie: though accuracy of schem is questionable | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 02:33 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: aw, gee | 02:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | dotCOMmie: there are in principle places to attach CIR reciever, and you could read it - but... | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Soldering to phone may void warranty. | 02:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anybody got a pointer to the schem? | 02:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | google seems to fail for me | 02:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: there are? o.O How'd ya tell | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: thnx | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I mean for example any of the accessible GPIOs that go to something. | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, the SD card has 6, and power - if you don't want to use it | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | AHH you R talking bout hacks, not generic empty footprints. Yeah, of course there are ;-D | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | y | 02:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer points to AV connector | 02:51 | |
| DocScrutinizer | no sldering ;-D | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | that too | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | dir cheap | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | dirT even | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Or in principle camera hacks | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | (friggin remnants in kbd) | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, the "barcode" approach | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Remnants? | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | That sounds . . . horrifying. | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea, GA. my english is horrid | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, remnants of the souls you've devoured clogging up your keyboard? :P | 02:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry you lost me. told ya | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no remnants, clogging, or devoured in any datasheet or IT-mag | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;.( | 02:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm a socail crook | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically there are just sn | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | small pieces of dirt in my kbd | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably tobacco, small pieces of cookies, and dunno youdontwannaknow | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Remnants is probably appropriate, then. ;) | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm a Zappa fanboy. and I thought of the muffin man ;-P | 03:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HE GATHERS AN INTIMATE QUANTITY OF DRIED MUFFIN REMNANTS | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | and proceeds to dump these inside the pocket of his shirt | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.golyr.de/frank-zappa/songtext-muffin-man-115304.html | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcm7uJ74XFI&feature=related | 03:11 |
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| ali1234 | hey so 23x3 keyboard switches, so can we tell from software whether the left or right side of space bar was pressed? (for example) | 03:13 |
| ali1234 | looks like no, they're both wired to same input | 03:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 3 * 23(?!!?) | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'd be rather nicew | 03:17 |
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| ali1234 | yeah, i mean 13 not 23 | 03:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and actually yeah, another missed opportunity of Nokia EE (damn!). got a 8 * 8 hw matrix scanner, and coonected TWO space switches to 1/5 each | 03:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually 4/5 | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw one of the ugliest matrix kbd schematics I ever seen | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | just for the drawing | 03:27 |
| njsf_ | re Hi al | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, soooo ugly. 3/5 actually | 03:28 |
| ali1234 | nothing seems to be connected on 3/6 (they just skipped it) could it be a mistake on the scheme? | 03:29 |
| N900evil | yes | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, they just don't need it - too few switches :-( | 03:30 |
| ali1234 | but why use 3/7 then? | 03:30 |
| N900evil | it's not the final schem | 03:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | N900evil: any proof for that meantime? | 03:31 |
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| N900evil | of what | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | (except for the A vs AB USB) | 03:31 |
| N900evil | i had a list. | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the preliminary state of schem | 03:31 |
| N900evil | but I eated it. | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | IHAZCHEEZBURGER | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900evil: honestly, we should try to confirm how much the schem is (in)accurate | 03:33 |
| N900evil | oh | 03:33 |
| N900evil | also | 03:33 |
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| N900evil | look at the debug pads - wrong layout | 03:34 |
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| N900evil | and the components aroumd the mmc are wrong too | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | for cheapcheese like kbd matrix it's simple: freeze scheduler, access I2C to read out GAIA directly | 03:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, I don't give a fuck about placement of testpoints and components | 03:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | N900evil: see, the GTA02/A7 board looks RATHER different to the A6. Still the actual hw changes are minimal to negligable | 03:37 |
| N900evil | true | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | (though they made for buzzfix :-P ) | 03:37 |
| N900evil | diddn't you say you were thinking of taking of the back? | 03:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not really, since I found the highres photos at end of schem | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | U know, it's my daily phone. And in contrary to GTA02 there's no company to send me free samples | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | not to mention I wouldn't even need free samples for anything but QA, if I were in the position I had at OM | 03:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw kbd matrix is so eeeaasy to figure by any poorly gifted hacker who has access to kernel sources | 03:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Even *I* could look up if it's like the schem suggests, if it wasn't for the mere access | 03:47 |
| hd1 | anyone use NFS client on maemo with FreeBSD server? | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | why would anybody want to do this? there's sshfs/fuse | 03:48 |
| njsf_ | DocScrutinizer: NFS is still better for huge files | 03:49 |
| ali1234 | sshfs has massive overhead | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, okay | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | but NFS has other issues | 03:50 |
| njsf_ | for small or reasonable sized files sshfs is ok (ie < 5Mb) | 03:50 |
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| njsf_ | DocScrutinizer: I know. I've battled NIS/statd/biod as much or more as the next guy | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | It's even OK for 8GB video files, if you get the needed bandwidth | 03:50 |
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| njsf_ | DocScrutinizer: ok to retrieve/play it, not to edit | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | but for edit, you most likely don't want to use GPRS or WiFi anyway. And on USB you got mass storage | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | and SMB | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you like | 03:52 |
| njsf_ | Oh you did not just bring the ugliest TLA in networking.... | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | please rephrase | 03:53 |
| njsf_ | SMB to me is the ugliest technology in networking | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, ack | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, NFS should be just fine. I mean, that's a linux, isn't it | 03:54 |
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| njsf_ | well..... Linux NFS client to solaris NFS server has some issues | 03:55 |
| njsf_ | but AFAIK towards BSD server is ok | 03:55 |
| hd1 | this is over wifi at home, read: little latency | 03:59 |
| ali1234 | mass storage isn't much use if you want to mount a server share on n900 | 03:59 |
| ali1234 | eg if you want to mount SDK chroot or something | 04:00 |
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| ali1234 | that's going to suck with sshfs too | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | remote mount SDK chroot? err WHAT? | 04:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | winXP drive share of a redmont virus run in qemu? | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | over VPN in a chroot | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course IPv6 | 04:09 |
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| njsf_ | DocScrutinizer that sounds painful | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, somewhat. Like "eg if you want to mount SDK chroot" | 04:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but possibly I just don't get it, and it's the killer usecase | 04:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and the mass-storage mount a server bit is actually quite right | 04:17 |
| ali1234 | having the toolchain available right on the device is much easier than dealing with qemu/scratchbox crap | 04:17 |
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| Lonely_Troll | ............................................................... | 04:18 |
| njsf_ | DocScrutinizer is there any util I am unaware to dump to a file the list of installed user/* packages like HAM shows so I can stick in bugzilla. Gathering that by hand is downright tedious and a disincentive to actually report issues... | 04:18 |
| Lonely_Troll | njsf_noup | 04:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | friggin trolls | 04:19 |
| Lonely_Troll | What mean friggin ? | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | njsf_: No idea. I guess a apt-crack would know how to do that | 04:20 |
| Lonely_Troll | njsf_: No idea. I guess a apt-crack would know how to do that | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: k | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | could you please? | 04:21 |
| Lonely_Troll | could you please? | 04:21 |
| Funnyface | something weird happened with my N900 today, I put it on charge and left it there.. then after a while when I went to use it, it was frozen in standby mode and wouldn't come back on | 04:22 |
| Funnyface | trying to turn it off wouldn't help either, and when I unplugged the charger, the little LED was still flashing yellow :> | 04:22 |
| Funnyface | so I had to rip out the battery to restart it | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oops, what a time to go make a sandwich. | 04:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 04:23 |
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| Funnyface | power abuse!! :P | 04:23 |
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| Lonely_Troll | fuck you DocScrutinizer!!!!!!!!!11 | 04:24 |
| Funnyface | wasn't him :P | 04:24 |
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| Funnyface | anyway, has anyone else experienced the same bug with the N900? :P | 04:25 |
| njsf_ | Funnyface: not that one in particular | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I've had it lock for several seconds, I think trackerd was doing it | 04:26 |
| Funnyface | and also, is there any more convenient way to restart it when it is frozen? on my winmo device I could stick the stylus into a little hole to restart the device :P | 04:26 |
| njsf_ | BTW, DocScrutinizer I figured it out: | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: sounds like a solid freeze | 04:26 |
| njsf_ | dpkg-query -W -f='${Section}\t${Package}\t${Version}\n' | grep ^user | 04:26 |
| Funnyface | yep, probably froze while in standby | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: the bat charger chip is able to light the yellow notify LED, even while SoC/CPU is dead. No idea if it knows how to flash though | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | but the LP5523 LED manager chip can crate a whole fireworks without CPU... so... | 04:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/crate/create | 04:31 |
| Funnyface | :P | 04:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: blame the solar flares, or cosmic radiation created by distant supernovea ;-P | 04:33 |
| Funnyface | I blame nokia :) | 04:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hrhrr | 04:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what a strange russian trollie | 04:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: afaik there's no hard reset button, kbd-combo, or hidden switch | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: but there's a hw-watchdog. So complete freezes are rather unlikely | 04:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: you tried >10s powerbutton? | 04:46 |
| Funnyface | yes I did, had no effect | 04:47 |
| Funnyface | or well, not sure if I tried for 10 full secs | 04:47 |
| Funnyface | but I tried for long enough that I thought it just wouldn't work :P | 04:47 |
| Funnyface | anyway I am off to sleep. I will try the power button even longer the next time it happens (if it happens again) | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | nite | 04:52 |
| Funnyface | night | 04:52 |
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| njsf_ | nite | 04:54 |
| njsf_ | DocScrutinizer, pretty proud of myself. Came up with a one liner of just pre-installed stuff that should actually be suggested in bugzilla on the extra software :-) | 04:55 |
| njsf_ | dpkg-query -W -f='${Section;-20}\t${Status}\t${Package;-20}\t${Version}\n' | awk '/^user/ && /installed/ { printf "%-40s %s\n",$5,$6 }' | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-)) | 04:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests wiki for a first shot | 04:56 | |
| njsf_ | yep, I guess I should :-) | 04:57 |
| njsf_ | actually the ;-20 on the dpkg-query are superfluous ... just a remnant of a dpkg-query only attempt :-) | 04:57 |
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| massivelulz2 | sup guys | 05:17 |
| massivelulz2 | anyone in here use cb radio? | 05:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not since ~30 years ;-D | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | nowadays there's IRC | 05:23 |
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| Vratha | hey everyone | 05:24 |
| Vratha | anyone missing the "screen brightness widget" when you tap on the "menu" that pops up when you tap on the time? | 05:25 |
| Vratha | i think i installed some other widget once, and now it's missing | 05:26 |
| njsf_ | Vratha: if that other widget has problems it could prevent others from starting | 05:30 |
| njsf_ | I think you may have to start uninstalling and see what widget removal fixes it | 05:30 |
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| Vratha | oh, lame. | 05:31 |
| Vratha | shouldn't have deps on others starting successfully | 05:32 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:03 |
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| kunal | i cannot run "af-sb-init.sh start" command to start the UI framework. | 07:06 |
| kunal | it says command not found. | 07:06 |
| kunal | any help ? | 07:06 |
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| Stskeeps | installed nokia binaries? | 07:10 |
| kunal | i did not get the deb line to put in the sources list | 07:11 |
| kunal | for both ARMEL and X86 | 07:11 |
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| Stskeeps | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula | 07:12 |
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| kunal | Stskeeps: will i have to do it for both ARMEL and X86 ? | 07:13 |
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| Stskeeps | same one will work for both | 07:15 |
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| kunal | thank you | 07:16 |
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| jonaskoe1ker | Hi all. I'm using maemo on a Nokia N900. On one particular wifi network, I want to run a shell script whenever I connect, and another one whenever I disconnect (automatically). How do I go about this? | 09:02 |
| asj_ | dbus signals | 09:03 |
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| jonaskoe1ker | woo hoo :| | 09:04 |
| jonaskoe1ker | got TFM so I can R it? | 09:05 |
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| valdyn | jonaskoe1ker: scripts in /etc/network/if* directories are run on ifup / ifdown | 09:05 |
| ar | n900 club huh : | 09:05 |
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| jonaskoelker | n000 ftw :) | 09:07 |
| jonaskoelker | oops, s/n0/n9/ :) | 09:07 |
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| LiraNuna | My N900 makes weird sounds when it's idle | 09:24 |
| LiraNuna | any idea what it means? | 09:24 |
| jonaskoelker | is it bouncing on/offa IM networks? | 09:25 |
| LiraNuna | I'm on a steady wifi connection | 09:26 |
| LiraNuna | how can I check which notification is it | 09:26 |
| LiraNuna | like, a lot of notifications or similar | 09:27 |
| jonaskoelker | in the control panel thing, you could disable all but one of the notifications, see if its that one, lather/rinse/repeat | 09:29 |
| LiraNuna | where do I get to that 'notification settings' | 09:30 |
| LiraNuna | the closest thing I see is notification /light/ | 09:30 |
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| jonaskoelker | under profiles? | 09:33 |
| jonaskoelker | (istr...) | 09:33 |
| LiraNuna | none of the sound it makes are there | 09:35 |
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| DrGrov | Gooooood morning | 10:30 |
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| DrGrov | Stskeeps: how are you doing? | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | waking up and fixing some compile errors | 10:33 |
| DrGrov | ah, the classical phenomenon... waking up and first things first... get the computer | 10:33 |
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| Stskeeps | more like step into my home office | 10:33 |
| DrGrov | ok | 10:35 |
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| TomaszD_ | secure office | 10:44 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:45 |
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| slonopotamus | meh. autobuilder behaves badly when same package is uploaded twice | 10:56 |
| slonopotamus | it put broken deb in repo | 10:57 |
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| mortal | will I get better throughput in sdhc transfers if I transfer at the same time to the 2 cards in n800 | 11:48 |
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| slonopotamus | wtf is going on with builder? it added package info to Packages, but didn't upload deps at all (404) | 12:05 |
| mortal | what is the best media player for n800? | 12:06 |
| slonopotamus | hmm, it fixed | 12:06 |
| slonopotamus | now size mismatch :/ | 12:06 |
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| MohammadAG | does anyone know the about:config entry for rotation? | 12:07 |
| FIQ | in opera you can shut off automatic redirection | 12:08 |
| FIQ | does this also works in fx/microb? | 12:08 |
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| MohammadAG | FIQ, chances are there is a config entry for it, google it for firefox and if there is one it should show | 12:09 |
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| MohammadAG | wouldn't be surprised if my screen pops off atm, slider has a gap | 12:09 |
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| FIQ | hm.. | 12:11 |
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| FIQ | you can change the limit before "error lol, redirect fail" but not totally ignore it | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: pingt | 12:13 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | what do you think is different between schematics and what you observe on your device? | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't spot any obvious diff in the photos | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | of the board | 12:15 |
| SpeedEvil | As last night - A/B microusb thingy differs, I diddn't see any reference to the charger chip in the BME kernelside code, | 12:15 |
| SpeedEvil | The debug pads are differently laid out | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | not here | 12:15 |
| SpeedEvil | The components round the MMC are different | 12:15 |
| SpeedEvil | You have a release phone? | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | how do you know? | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 12:16 |
| SpeedEvil | How do I know what? | 12:16 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | different components around MMC | 12:16 |
| SpeedEvil | you open the back and look at the components visible through the hole | 12:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I may be confused though - it's happened before. | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | do *you* have a MP device? | 12:16 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 12:17 |
| Shapeshifter | I just realized that the alarmd backend is actually a _lot_ dumber than cron :| | 12:17 |
| SpeedEvil | cat /proc/cpuinfo says revision 2101 | 12:17 |
| Shapeshifter | it's impossible to specify something like 0 30 1,14,16 * * | 12:17 |
| FIQ | question 2: | 12:17 |
| FIQ | is there a "view source" option somewhere in microB? | 12:18 |
| mortal | is the usb-sdhc transfer slow on n800 or does it just feel like it | 12:18 |
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| Shapeshifter | or is it... *ponder | 12:18 |
| MohammadAG | FIQ directly no | 12:18 |
| MohammadAG | you can wget and cat the html | 12:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cool option for private mails in TMO :-(( | 12:19 |
| FIQ | correct, but i prefer being able to view it directly in browser, with cookies, etc | 12:19 |
| FIQ | but yes, that's correct. :P | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and they really would need it as the css is fubar | 12:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E you can't read t.m.o private msgs in microb | 12:20 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, just noticed that, kind of fails that you can't do something on the OS's site | 12:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I can't see an easy way to specify 1,14,16 | 12:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I guess that had to become a special case of mutiple-alarmes-entity | 12:27 |
| MohammadAG | ldconfig: /usr/lib/libhildon-im-western-plugin-common.so.3 is not a symbolic link | 12:28 |
| MohammadAG | umm what does that mean | 12:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ldconfig would wnat to ln -s *.so *.so.3 , no? | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, i replaced some libs from pr1.1.1 | 12:30 |
| MohammadAG | restored them to pr1.0 | 12:30 |
| MohammadAG | virtual keyboard files to be specific | 12:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess the ldconfig msg is a warning | 12:30 |
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| MohammadAG | dconfig: /usr/lib/libhildon-im-vkbrenderer.so.3 is not a symbolic link | 12:31 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it shows up whenever a package is updated | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | you *copied* the "files" ? | 12:32 |
| citylights2 | hi all ,is there a start-stop deam for udhcpc allready used | 12:32 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 12:32 |
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| citylights2 | I wan to run a dhcp client after establishing openvpn connection in bridged mode | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so that's your answer | 12:32 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, copied them from PR1.0 to PR1.1.1 | 12:33 |
| MohammadAG | overwrote the old files | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | those were links on pr.1.0 | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess | 12:33 |
| MohammadAG | so how do i delete them? | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm ? | 12:33 |
| mortal | nokia n800 has two sdhc slots, is it faster to write to the both of them at the same time? | 12:34 |
| MohammadAG | don't know where they're linked to | 12:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ceck this on your linux desktop | 12:34 |
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| MohammadAG | i have the files on my n900 | 12:35 |
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| MohammadAG | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Jan 25 18:42 /usr/lib/libhildon_im_common.so.3 -> libhildon_im_common.so.3.0.0 | 12:36 |
| citylights2 | MohammadAG: are you the maintaner for ukeyboard? | 12:36 |
| MohammadAG | no | 12:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so obviously /usr/lib/libhildon_im_common.so.3 *is* a symlink | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: while ""ldconfig: /usr/lib/libhildon-im-western-plugin-common.so.3 is not a symbolic link"" | 12:38 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I think it actually _is_ possible through alarmd. I'm now writing a parser for cronlike input and I think I can implement everthing except "/3" (every 3 x) which the pymaemo libalarm bindings don't support | 12:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: great :-) (didn't even know about the /3 :-P) | 12:39 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: cron supports something like * * /2 /2 * which would mean every second day of every second month | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | did anyone notice http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle-update2/ before? | 12:40 |
| citylights2 | how is udhcpc called when wlan0 connection is established? | 12:40 |
| jacekowski | by dbus | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't that equiv to * * /2 2,4,6,8,10,12 ? | 12:41 |
| citylights2 | jacekowski: is a start-stop-deamon used? | 12:42 |
| MohammadAG | heh broke it | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: sorry, need a biiig coffee first ;-P Then 'man crontab' | 12:42 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yes it is. Mh. You're thinking I could manually figure out which days / minutes etc. a "/2" would imply and set them. | 12:43 |
| Shapeshifter | that would be possible I guess. | 12:43 |
| Shapeshifter | annoyingly complicated but possible. | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | just declare "not supported" - not that bad | 12:43 |
| Shapeshifter | :) | 12:43 |
| MohammadAG | ah **** | 12:44 |
| MohammadAG | deleted wrong .so file :( | 12:44 |
| MohammadAG | 3 files to be more precise | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: too bad that's not windoze ;-P | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it would have restored them automagically | 12:46 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, don't mention that crap :) | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 12:47 |
| citylights2 | oopus must go | 12:47 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, all my PCs except one have linux as their main OS | 12:47 |
| jacekowski | poor you | 12:47 |
| MohammadAG | and the only thing keeping me from moving it to linux is an app, which I don't need (but my fam does) | 12:48 |
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| * DocScrutinizer re-inserts battery to N900, as he - for his life - can't spot any diffs tween the real device and the schem photo | 12:48 | |
| MohammadAG | you disassembled it and checked? | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | bwaaawaaa my uptime!!! *sob* | 12:49 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 12:49 |
| MohammadAG | need to change my touch assy | 12:49 |
| MohammadAG | or just reassemble it | 12:49 |
| MohammadAG | oh and realign my LCD | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | it moves left/right and the top part of the screen clicks | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nah, just removed bat and checked the testpoints etc | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: wasn't that you who had vibrator debris issue as well? | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah, how's my luck? :p | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | you really really should have swaped for replacement first week | 12:52 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, imported, so I can't :( | 12:52 |
| FIQ | [11:48:23] <MohammadAG> and the only thing keeping me from moving it to linux is an app, which I don't need (but my fam does) | 12:52 |
| FIQ | what would that be? | 12:52 |
| ebzzry_ | Hi! What is the most ideal way to de-lock a device after a "Secure Device" operation? | 12:52 |
| FIQ | office? mail | 12:52 |
| MohammadAG | FIQ, magicradar | 12:52 |
| FIQ | ? skype? etc | 12:52 |
| FIQ | hm | 12:52 |
| FIQ | checked wine compatibility? | 12:52 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: what's magicradar? | 12:52 |
| MohammadAG | DVR app | 12:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah? | 12:52 |
| MohammadAG | surveillance crap | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 12:53 |
| jacekowski | don't use wine | 12:53 |
| Shapeshifter | humm. | 12:53 |
| jacekowski | it's pita | 12:53 |
| MohammadAG | can't minimize it using wine | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | ebzzry_: '12345'? :P | 12:53 |
| jacekowski | and works randomly | 12:53 |
| MohammadAG | Wine's good for what it can do | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | sudo make me a coffee | 12:53 |
| MohammadAG | Password: | 12:54 |
| jacekowski | it's far from being usable in any real app | 12:54 |
| ebzzry_ | Stskeeps: I haven't gotten to the point where I locked myself out, but what if somebody did it for me, using a code that I don't know? | 12:54 |
| jacekowski | mysecretpassword123 | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | ebzzry_: don't let your device fall into the wrong hands? | 12:54 |
| MohammadAG | Wrong password, try again | 12:54 |
| MohammadAG | Password: | 12:54 |
| FIQ | i'm at win, but only because my try to make a live CD failed. | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | also, set your own code | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | you need it to set a new one | 12:54 |
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| FIQ | will try to use liveUSB, but i must buy a sd card first | 12:54 |
| ebzzry_ | Stskeeps: Hmm | 12:55 |
| ebzzry_ | Is this the most ideal solution so far? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808 | 12:55 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, at least my USB port is intact | 12:55 |
| * MohammadAG gulps | 12:55 | |
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| MohammadAG | hey Noobmonk3y | 13:01 |
| MohammadAG | still got the screen crackling issue? | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: exactly | 13:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: btw you managed to figure where and how the lockcode workes/is stored? | 13:02 |
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| Noobmonk3y | hey hey | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: my suspition still is that's the generic modem hw lockcode | 13:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | seems ok today | 13:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | on my way to a wedding at the mo! :) | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: have fun :-) | 13:04 |
| MohammadAG | ditto :) | 13:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehe :) will do! | 13:04 |
| MohammadAG | Qik it :p | 13:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | at john lewis, present hunting and eating breakfast first | 13:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | tis a though life | 13:05 |
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| Noobmonk3y | oooo never used qik | 13:05 |
| MohammadAG | neither have I, haven't found a real use to stream what i see | 13:05 |
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| Noobmonk3y | use pixelpipe daily tho.... | 13:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: some people in Iran have... | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 13:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | haha | 13:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah, you wouldn't believe what requests/suggestions/questions come from there, for Openmoko | 13:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and, you know, FR not even has a camera o.O | 13:11 |
| MohammadAG | what's openmoko? | 13:12 |
| MohammadAG | found out wha the .so files were for | 13:13 |
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| MohammadAG | symbols :/ | 13:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders idly about a lockscreen replacement with builtin "dd id=/dev/random of=/" for one configurable lockcode | 13:13 | |
| univac | Total of 508 nicks :o | 13:13 |
| univac | n900 popularize it;] | 13:13 |
| MohammadAG | 506, two bots in here | 13:13 |
| univac | :] | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yeak vkbd prolly is virtual kbd | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, i removed another 3 by mistake | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (what's OM?) you're kidding me? | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | used a wildcard after hildon-im* | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | erm nope :) | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | OMWeather, only OM I know | 13:15 |
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| MohammadAG | :) | 13:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page | 13:16 |
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| MohammadAG | ah ****, can't type spaces in media player search | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | reflashing later today, unless i can mount the ubifs rootfs.jffs2 | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | last time i tried i failed | 13:17 |
| jacekowski | oh | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | new maemo update | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: huh? | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | UK?? | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | does anybody know if ovi maps finally support turn by turn | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | uk phone | 13:18 |
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| jacekowski | but i'm in france at the moment | 13:18 |
| nidO | the uk update you've had available since yesterday | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, ovimaps for maemo still missing that feature | 13:19 |
| nidO | is just the 1.1.1 everyone else has had for a month | 13:19 |
| jacekowski | hmmmm | 13:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and honestly nobody expected to see released it for UK at all | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/expected/had any hope | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | i really don't know why it was | 13:21 |
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| MohammadAG | infobot broken? | 13:21 |
| nidO | though, if we extrapolate the current rate of delays | 13:21 |
| infobot | hmm... broken is mailto:nothing@machine.cx -> http://machine.cx/debian/ or screen shots are at http://nivda.machine.cx or that's sid for you. | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nope | 13:22 |
| nidO | first update was released for uk at the same time as everywhere else | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | nvm | 13:22 |
| nidO | then 1.1 came about 9 hours late for the uk | 13:22 |
| nidO | then 1.1.1 came a month late | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, doesn't it correct the s/ stuff? | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | testing | 13:22 |
| nidO | so uk users can expect 1.2 in about 5 years | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I left out the trailing /, intentionally | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | s/testing/test | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | s/testing/test/ | 13:22 |
| infobot | MohammadAG meant: s/test/test | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | loller | 13:23 |
| tybollt | 1.2 will be released in april | 13:23 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, which year? :) | 13:23 |
| MohammadAG | I really don't get why Nokia just updates packages independently | 13:24 |
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| nidO | support reasons, probably | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG | like Debian/Ubuntu | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, guys - why is everybody so anxious about 1.2 ? | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG | I like SSU-ing | 13:25 |
| TomaszD | stskeeps, it is done | 13:25 |
| * lcuk has an evil cat at home | 13:25 | |
| nidO | releasing individual package versions as fixes are done is all very well in theory, but nokia probably dont want to have to take 50 different package versions from users reporting bugs and have hundreds of different combinations of packages to support | 13:26 |
| TomaszD | how do you autocomplete nicknames on the n900 in xchat again? | 13:26 |
| nidO | easier to bundle them all up, from their pov | 13:26 |
| Shapeshifter | rolling releases ftw | 13:26 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: turn by turn for ovimaps | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | Debian doesn't seem to have problems with it nidO | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, you're kidding right? PR1.2 isn't going to have that | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | TomaszD: you go to prefs-kbd shortcuts and config nick completion to be bound to shift-space | 13:27 |
| nidO | debian doesnt have joe home user wondering why the hell the phone he bought doesnt work right any more | 13:27 |
| TomaszD | Doc, thx | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | good point | 13:28 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: no??? | 13:28 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, cool | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: huh?? | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | nou, sorry for shattering your dreams :p | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | No* | 13:29 |
| lcuk | nick completion i had wondered it myself | 13:29 |
| jacekowski | i'll have to make my own navigation app then | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG | or buy sygic | 13:29 |
| nidO | jacekowski 1.2's qt support will probably enable the possibility that nokia might bring it to maemo in the future, but fat chance of it coming with the update | 13:29 |
| frals | ~curse c | 13:29 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, c ! | 13:29 |
| jacekowski | it's released already? | 13:29 |
| jacekowski | sygic i mean | 13:29 |
| nidO | sygic is | 13:29 |
| nidO | released a few days ago | 13:29 |
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| jacekowski | how much? | 13:30 |
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| MohammadAG | just noticed that :) | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, 60-ish i think | 13:31 |
| TomaszD | DocScrutinizer, works great, thx again | 13:31 |
| TomaszD | it was really bugging me | 13:31 |
| nidO | jacekowski: http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/how-to-buy.html?os=Maemo | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | TomaszD: yw | 13:32 |
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| TomaszD | jacekowski, you're hoping for voice turn by turn in ovi maps in pr1.2? | 13:32 |
| MohammadAG | tis a shame sygic doesn't support israel | 13:32 |
| TomaszD | sygic works great here, well worth the money | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for the records: it's settings - advanced - keyboard-hortcuts | 13:33 |
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| jacekowski | 59eur | 13:33 |
| jacekowski | little bit too much | 13:33 |
| TomaszD | for offline nav for the whole europe, fair price I think | 13:34 |
| jacekowski | proper tomtom satnav costs like 70 | 13:34 |
| TomaszD | this is also proper satnav, and you don't have to carry two devices | 13:35 |
| TomaszD | works fine here even without agps support | 13:35 |
| MohammadAG | do older maps work with sygic? | 13:35 |
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| MohammadAG | already have it for windows CE (car navigation) | 13:35 |
| TomaszD | they probably do, but don't call me out on that | 13:36 |
| TomaszD | read that people have maps from symbian version and it works in maemo | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | TomaszD, how do you get the download? | 13:37 |
| MohammadAG | Repository likes joikuspot? | 13:37 |
| TomaszD | it's a downloadable archive :) | 13:37 |
| MohammadAG | ? | 13:37 |
| MohammadAG | zip? | 13:37 |
| TomaszD | yep | 13:37 |
| MohammadAG | and what's inside it? | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | paid apps are going to fail :( | 13:38 |
| TomaszD | three folders and a deb | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | take Joikuspot for example | 13:38 |
| TomaszD | you put all that in the root of MyDocs | 13:38 |
| TomaszD | run the deb | 13:38 |
| nidO | theyre going to fail horribly miserably as long as nokia doesnt bother doing anything with ovi | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | i extracted the deb from /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache | 13:38 |
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| MohammadAG | can easily upload it, but i wouldn't | 13:39 |
| MohammadAG | problem is, others would | 13:39 |
| TomaszD | if you're trying to say that the security is not adequate | 13:39 |
| TomaszD | then you're right | 13:39 |
| TomaszD | take sygic for example | 13:40 |
| MohammadAG | i'm trying to say, piracy is easy | 13:40 |
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| MohammadAG | and that kills a platform | 13:40 |
| nidO | security not adequate + mass market of users wont know the apps exist | 13:40 |
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| nidO | the apps need to be available in one place, directly available on the phone, and easier to get legit than pirating. | 13:40 |
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| TomaszD | there are keygens for maps and I'm damn sure they work on the europe map on maemo, the client itself has no additional security | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | menu overlapping again | 13:41 |
| TomaszD | so once someone uploads the client and maps, it's done | 13:41 |
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| TomaszD | and I would guess somebody already did | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | doubt it | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | Joikuspot, i thought they figured out what nokia didn't | 13:41 |
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| MohammadAG | turns out they're all the same | 13:42 |
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| Shapeshifter | TomaszD: you're right | 13:42 |
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| Shapeshifter | already found it | 13:42 |
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| TomaszD | ha, knew it | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | if i made an app and i wanted it to be paid i would've added activation at each start up | 13:42 |
| TomaszD | brb | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | angrybirds level pack | 13:43 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: any copy protection can be broken | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | used apt-get (but bought it later) | 13:43 |
| Shapeshifter | even "log in each time" etc. | 13:43 |
| Shapeshifter | even hardware dongles | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, PS3 proved otherwise | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | for now | 13:43 |
| nidO | activation at each startup = wat | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | as in it checks the serial | 13:43 |
| nidO | combats piracy, fucks off your users who paid $60 then have to suffer data roaming charges? | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | at startup | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG | err | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG | well | 13:44 |
| Termana | On the matter of piracy, lets not forget that you can easily pirate apps on both the iPhone and Android - iPhone by pulling the appropriate files (more easily with Crackulous), and Android by pulling the apk file. | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG | best way is to generate debs then | 13:44 |
| Termana | So easy piracy on the n900 doesn't set it apart | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, but it's a new platform | 13:45 |
| nidO | difference is though, at least on iphone and android its easy for at least semi honest to get the legit version | 13:45 |
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| Termana | MohammadAG: I understand, I'm just making sure no one implys the n900 is the only mobile platform with easy piracy | 13:45 |
| nidO | with software like sygic and joikuspot not in ovi, its easier to pirate than get the real thing, plus 90% of legit users wont know either piece of software exists | 13:45 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, heh, symbian | 13:46 |
| MohammadAG | just google it with cracked | 13:47 |
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| Shapeshifter | paid-for navigation is a dying race anyway. | 13:47 |
| dmj726_n9001 | hildon-desktop includes the window switcher view right? | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | dmj726_n9001, dashboard? yeah | 13:48 |
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| MohammadAG | don't find this kernel faster, reflashing | 13:49 |
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| TomaszD | I was wondering if it would be illegal to create a repo with apt and ham with weeded out patches hiding and crippling the ovi store | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | why did i lose my theme? | 13:54 |
| TomaszD | open source right? | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | ham? doubt it | 13:55 |
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| TomaszD | at least get non crippled apt so you could get apps from ovi like before | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, need that :( | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG | says handler silently failed | 13:56 |
| TomaszD | ovi is so clunky I resent visiting | 13:56 |
| TomaszD | it works quite ok on symbian, tried it on e52 | 13:56 |
| TomaszD | dedicated app | 13:56 |
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| MohammadAG | TomaszD, actually it's a widget | 14:00 |
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| MohammadAG | but the files you download have your imei in them | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG | meaning piracy wouldn't be as easy as on maemo | 14:00 |
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| MohammadAG | what's the default theme called? alpha? | 14:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | route66 (e.g. on OMNIA) also has IMEI check | 14:14 |
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| MohammadAG | I knew .so-s had to do with more than symbils, N900 keeps rebooting | 14:26 |
| *** VDVsx changes topic to " Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | Can't talk? Register. Getting spammed? /mode YOURNICK +R | http://www.maemoit.org/extra/lapide.jpg | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1.1 | Extras-" | 14:27 | |
| *** VDVsx sets mode: -o VDVsx | 14:27 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o VDVsx | 14:28 | |
| *** VDVsx changes topic to " Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | Can't talk? Register. Getting spammed? /mode YOURNICK +R | http://www.maemoit.org/extra/lapide.jpg | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1.1 | Extras-" | 14:28 | |
| VDVsx | oh too big :( | 14:28 |
| Shapeshifter | who cares about http://maemo.nokia.com/ | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | add some tinyurls or cut it :P | 14:29 |
| Shapeshifter | you can leave that out | 14:29 |
| lcuk | simplify VDVsx | 14:29 |
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| *** VDVsx changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | Can't talk? Register. Getting spammed? /mode YOURNICK +R | Extras-testing marathon today #maemo-testing" | 14:31 | |
| VDVsx | :) | 14:31 |
| *** VDVsx changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | Can't talk? Register. Getting spammed? /mode YOURNICK +R | Extras-testing marathon today at #maemo-testing" | 14:32 | |
| VDVsx | sorry for the noise :) | 14:32 |
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| lcuk | should a remote control operate worldwide | 14:33 |
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| Corsac | ok I *hate* vfat | 14:39 |
| Corsac | I hate this fucking vfat partition which can't recognize a decent character set | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | *FACEPALM* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEXmb922jtg | 14:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: lol right. | 14:42 |
| Corsac | I guess it has been asked dozen of times, but is there a way to reformat the internal sdcard as ext2? | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | internal SD card? | 14:42 |
| Corsac | hem | 14:42 |
| Corsac | the internal flash | 14:42 |
| Corsac | sorry | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | mkfs.ext2 but what card? | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | mkfs.ext3 | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | mkfs.ext2* | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | problem is how it would mount at bootup | 14:43 |
| Corsac | yes | 14:43 |
| mgedmin | there's also some small issue with the camera | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 14:43 |
| Corsac | that's the point :/ | 14:43 |
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| mgedmin | I believe people found a workaround | 14:43 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: it seems that the camera currently puts its file on the external sdcard | 14:43 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: (which has a vfat partition) | 14:43 |
| mgedmin | external? | 14:43 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: so in my case it'd be fine | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | you can edit fstab | 14:43 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: yeah, the minisd slot | 14:44 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 14:44 |
| Corsac | well, the only sdcard, anyway | 14:44 |
| Corsac | microsd maybe | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG | MicroSD | 14:44 |
| mgedmin | so it only puts stuff on the internal one if you don't have an external one inserted? | 14:44 |
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| MohammadAG | for other than VFAT it says Operation Failed | 14:44 |
| Corsac | it seems so | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG | mgedmin, yes | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG | there is a workaround for saving to ext3 | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | can't find it though | 14:45 |
| Corsac | /etc/fstab seems to be autogenerated | 14:45 |
| Corsac | so maybe it'll be erased | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | Gah my N900 keeps rebooting :( | 14:45 |
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| MohammadAG | I just want to backup :/ | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | problem is idk what's causing it, sw_rst is what bootreason has | 14:46 |
| mgedmin | the camera workaround is a chmod of a directory somewhere | 14:46 |
| mgedmin | or maybe a chown | 14:46 |
| mgedmin | it creates an empty directory as root and then tries to write files to it as a regular user | 14:46 |
| mgedmin | which only works on filesystems that don't track file permissions | 14:46 |
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| mgedmin | like vgat | 14:46 |
| mgedmin | er vfat | 14:46 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | has anyone tried video dowload helper for microb or fennec? | 14:48 |
| Corsac | MohammadAG: any pointer on how to do that anyway? | 14:49 |
| Corsac | MohammadAG: not sure fstab is really enough | 14:49 |
| * Shapeshifter hopes that meego will have saner partitioning | 14:49 | |
| MohammadAG | the workaround or the mount? | 14:50 |
| Corsac | both :) | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, it will have a 100x compressed 32MB rootfs | 14:50 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: yeah? | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG | lol lemme do a bit of googling | 14:50 |
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| Shapeshifter | well it doesn't matter how large "rootfs" is. stuff just needs to go to the right place, no matter how large the partitions are | 14:51 |
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| Shapeshifter | like it's rediculous that as default, the apt cache goes on the rootfs partition on the n900. such stuff. | 14:51 |
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| Noobmonk3y | high wycombe smells | 14:52 |
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| Noobmonk3y | tis true i'm here and it smells.... | 14:52 |
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| MohammadAG | Corsac, edit the /usr/lib/genfstab.awk file to automount MyDocs as ext3 | 14:53 |
| Arif_ | morning :o | 14:53 |
| Noobmonk3y | moanin! | 14:53 |
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| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, HAM uses /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache | 14:53 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 14:54 |
| Arif_ | why did I sleep till 14:00 :D | 14:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | tired? | 14:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | hungover? | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | cause you're a lazy ar*e | 14:54 |
| citylights2 | I am back and still seek help with dhcp | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 14:54 |
| Arif_ | I'll go for the 3rd | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | I seek help with keeping my N900 on | 14:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, might be right... | 14:54 |
| inz | Arif, caus you're living the geek lifestyle | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | disabling the life guard | 14:55 |
| Corsac | MohammadAG: thanks | 14:55 |
| citylights2 | I am establishing a vpn connection in layer 2 and then need to run udhcp automaticlly | 14:55 |
| Corsac | MohammadAG: wouldn't “auto” work too? | 14:55 |
| Noobmonk3y | life guard? | 14:55 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: /var/cache/apt | 14:55 |
| Arif_ | I seek help with making the N900 speakers less crappy | 14:55 |
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| Noobmonk3y | arif.... by a decent sound system | 14:55 |
| citylights2 | I see wlan0 also triggers udehcp - how can I do that ? | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, I stand by what I say, /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache | 14:55 |
| citylights2 | is it a start-stop-deamon? | 14:55 |
| Arif_ | to hog that around? | 14:55 |
| Arif_ | :D | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | apt uses /var/cache/apt, HAM uses that ^ | 14:56 |
| Shapeshifter | ... | 14:56 |
| * Noobmonk3y is in la senza with the missus.... | 14:57 | |
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| jonaskoelker | Hi all. How do I browse my IMAP server's folders in the default email application? | 14:57 |
| Noobmonk3y | works on nokia messaging | 14:58 |
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| jacekowski | jonaskoelker: you don't | 14:58 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, la senza is not the sort of shop you need to check the internet for comparisons lol | 14:58 |
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| Stskeeps | jonaskoelker: mine shows just fine | 14:58 |
| lcuk | least not whilst you are standing there with missus | 14:59 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol!!! | 14:59 |
| jonaskoelker | jacekowski: huh? | 14:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a nice explanation of /etc/* anywhere? | 14:59 |
| jonaskoelker | jacekowski: it doesn't support folders? | 14:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Or failing that - what mounts mydocs | 14:59 |
| jonaskoelker | SpeedEvil: it's configuration for everything. "Everything" is kind of a big topic :) | 14:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I can find /home being mounted fine | 14:59 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - I know - I was meaning broken out | 15:00 |
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| jonaskoelker | /usr/share/doc/$APP ? | 15:00 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: fstab | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Specifically I mean the builtin init scripts | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | No, fstab is used by programs that mount fss | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | it does not of itself mount shit. | 15:01 |
| jacekowski | no | 15:01 |
| jonaskoelker | I get "Network Error" for my msn/yahoo/icq/aim accounts (no problem for skype nor facebook). What gives? How to fix? | 15:01 |
| jacekowski | localmount | 15:01 |
| jacekowski | reads fstab | 15:01 |
| jacekowski | and mounts fs based on fstab content | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: localmount is not on fs | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | And I can see no calls to mount in /etc/*/* | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | other than the ones to mount home | 15:03 |
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| jacekowski | hmmm | 15:03 |
| jacekowski | they moved it directly to upstart | 15:03 |
| mgedmin | /etc/init.d/ is a decoy on a n900 | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | no, /etc/rc?.d is | 15:04 |
| mgedmin | I'm kinda annoyed by that | 15:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm trying to mount --bind over ~/MyDocs/.sounds | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | And trying to find where mydocs is mounted | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG | /dev/mmcblk0p1 is mounted on MyDocs | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG | not sure what you mean where MyDocs is mounted | 15:06 |
| jacekowski | thats u | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean what process mounts MyDocs | 15:06 |
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| jacekowski | init | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | fstab\ | 15:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | fstab does not mount it - fstab is a configuration file read by some other program - mount et al - that specifies where stuff is to be mounted | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | but fstab is regenerated at each startup | 15:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes. | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | thanks for the correction | 15:07 |
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| MohammadAG | Config file for the regeneration is /etc/event.d/rcS-late | 15:07 |
| SpeedEvil | in ./event.d/rcS-late specifically | 15:07 |
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| MohammadAG | osso-backup says I have no memory card inserted | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | slightly confused :/ | 15:08 |
| SpeedEvil | This does not however mount mydocs. | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, /etc/event.d/rcS-late | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | sorry | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/lib/genfstab.awk | 15:09 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: init mounts | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: It mounts / - not the other FSs | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: AIUI - or is there some signal to it that fstab has changed | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/lib/genfstab.awk | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | start == 1 && $6 == "c" && !__fat { | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | printf "%s /home/user/MyDocs vfat %s 0 0\n", $1, fat_opts | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | __fat++ | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | } | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes - I've seen that. | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: that is generating the fstab line. | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: it is not actually mounting the fs | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | So what uses the fstab config file? | 15:11 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: n900 uses upstart | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | init | 15:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuk, did you get my msg earlier? | 15:11 |
| jacekowski | that's not standard sysv init | 15:11 |
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| MohammadAG | Ugh, why does osso-backup fail! | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Ok - so it mounts stuff in fstab everytime fstab changes? | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: but stuff is explicitly mounted - so that can't be it. | 15:12 |
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| jacekowski | no | 15:13 |
| * SpeedEvil is confused. | 15:13 | |
| MohammadAG | oh, osso-backup just executes commands | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | it's like a .sh file with a GUI | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | tar czvf .modest-backup.tar.gz --exclude=*.ev-summary | 15:15 |
| jacekowski | thats done by gvfsd | 15:15 |
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| jacekowski | anyways | 15:16 |
| jacekowski | i have to go | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | wave | 15:17 |
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| citylights2 | guys , pls drop me a hint here | 15:20 |
| citylights2 | how does udhcpd starts when wlan0 is connected | 15:20 |
| citylights2 | is it a start-stop-deamon? which? | 15:21 |
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| DrGrov | what will PR 1.2 contain? anyone got any clues? is it official it will be released in april? | 15:25 |
| dmj726_n9001 | nokia doesn't generally give release dates | 15:26 |
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| pupnik | there are publically fixed bugs on bugs.maemo.org | 15:27 |
| Arif_ | DrGrov, 4 bugfixes | 15:28 |
| Arif_ | and they probably broke something again | 15:28 |
| lcuk | hey pupnik | 15:29 |
| pupnik | hu | 15:29 |
| lcuk | whats new on the gaming front this week? | 15:30 |
| Arif_ | GTA 4's DLC is pushed back | 15:30 |
| DrGrov | Arif_: probably yes, something fixed and something not. | 15:31 |
| Arif_ | no no | 15:31 |
| Arif_ | not not fixed | 15:31 |
| lcuk | Arif_, for n900? :D | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | just found out there's a green bar when flashing in R&D mode | 15:31 |
| Arif_ | they most likely broke something working :P | 15:31 |
| DrGrov | ah yes Arif_ | 15:31 |
| Arif_ | (red pill mode, virtual keyboard) | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | (when flashing WHILE in R&D mode) | 15:31 |
| Arif_ | lcuk, I'm stuck on picodrive | 15:31 |
| Arif_ | =P | 15:32 |
| lcuk | Arif_, cool | 15:32 |
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| Arif_ | it works good if you don't have anything else runnign | 15:33 |
| lcuk | yeah | 15:33 |
| lcuk | i still do that on my big pc :$ | 15:33 |
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| Arif_ | :D | 15:33 |
| * lcuk shuts everything down to run hl2/portal etc | 15:33 | |
| Arif_ | I have a crappy pc | 15:33 |
| Arif_ | so I have to close pretty much everything | 15:33 |
| lcuk | i have a crappy gfx card in a reasonable pc | 15:34 |
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| Arif_ | I need to buy a new pc | 15:34 |
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| * lcuk is buying one next week | 15:34 | |
| pupnik | i dreamt i got a new thinkpad | 15:34 |
| Arif_ | eww | 15:34 |
| lcuk | and it will be the first w7 license i get to decline | 15:34 |
| Arif_ | leptops | 15:34 |
| pupnik | hehe | 15:34 |
| lcuk | getting a hp touchscreen wallmount | 15:35 |
| lcuk | multitouch + stylus compatible | 15:35 |
| frals | ... bastard | 15:35 |
| lcuk | frals :) parting gift from my grandmother | 15:36 |
| Arif_ | I'm getting a 32" TV as monitor instead... | 15:36 |
| frals | ah :( | 15:36 |
| frals | going from a decent language like python to c is :( btw | 15:36 |
| lcuk | finally have something decent to build big daddy liqbase on | 15:36 |
| frals | :D | 15:36 |
| lcuk | why are you moving to c? | 15:36 |
| frals | just trying stuff to see if its much faster | 15:36 |
| lcuk | ok, where are the slowdowns | 15:37 |
| frals | and to get all the nice libosso-abook stuff | 15:37 |
| frals | startup, loading stuff from abook | 15:37 |
| lcuk | cos cant you do it in chunks - modular pieces in c to improve the bottlenecks | 15:37 |
| lcuk | but retain your original structure in python for your mental tension | 15:37 |
| lcuk | startup is always a problem in python | 15:37 |
| frals | just moving the gui pretty much | 15:38 |
| lcuk | i know theres been some optimisation | 15:38 |
| lcuk | yeah theres not too much to your ui tho | 15:38 |
| lcuk | im surprised that is suboptimal really | 15:38 |
| lcuk | have you considered qt | 15:38 |
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| frals | well the abook stuff is in the gui parts which is why its so slow pretty much | 15:38 |
| lcuk | ahh yeah | 15:38 |
| lcuk | have you spoken with any devs about their experiences doing same in c | 15:39 |
| lcuk | i know a few who might have some ideas for you i think | 15:39 |
| frals | nope i just started trying to port it to c :D | 15:39 |
| lcuk | reasonable enough | 15:39 |
| lcuk | :) qt works nicely on device now tho | 15:39 |
| frals | but going from a highlevel language like python to c is annoying as hell ive realised | 15:40 |
| frals | lack of decent passing of arrays and stuff is doing my head in | 15:40 |
| lcuk | barray passing is easy in c | 15:41 |
| lcuk | -b | 15:41 |
| pupnik | pointer | 15:41 |
| lcuk | exactly | 15:42 |
| frals | yeah then i need to expand it or have an associative array and my brain overheats | 15:42 |
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| lcuk | frals, ive done pretty much everything in raw c | 15:42 |
| frals | yeah, and ur crazy :D | 15:42 |
| lcuk | and practically all of linux is based on c :p | 15:42 |
| lcuk | it might fry your head now, but you get used to it | 15:43 |
| frals | yeah | 15:43 |
| frals | just need to get out of the nice lazy python/java coding and it shouldnt be a problem | 15:43 |
| lcuk | i miss pieces from OO | 15:43 |
| lcuk | i just try to think in oo | 15:43 |
| lcuk | define some classes and then code them | 15:44 |
| Corsac | damn | 15:44 |
| lcuk | i just dont like the boilerplate | 15:44 |
| * pupnik goes out of range with a shovel | 15:44 | |
| Corsac | it seems that having only an ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p1 will loop-reboot the n900 | 15:44 |
| Corsac | any idea besides reflashing? :/ | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | Corsac, http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/small-but-important-update-in-pr11.html if you have a bit of preparation you could get something running | 15:46 |
| Corsac | yeah but it's too late I guess, I don't have any bootmenu atm | 15:47 |
| Corsac | (another weird stuff is that the pin/unlock code is *not* themed) | 15:48 |
| lcuk | bah a qt app responds as quickly on my screen as does a vb app run through vnc | 15:50 |
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| Corsac | if I could just access the eMMC card so I could do an fdisk on it | 15:55 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: any idea? | 15:55 |
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| VDVsx | frals, grab a debugger before start, you'll face a lot of nice seg faults for sure :p | 15:56 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, thats only your code that does that | 15:57 |
| frals | yeah | 15:57 |
| frals | and ive skipped all gtk code until i know my methods are working | 15:57 |
| lcuk | they hard coded a check in omap to scan the camera and if it sees your ugly mush to cause a segfault :p | 15:57 |
| frals | as gdb seems to be dumping core when im adding icon to a hildonbutton | 15:57 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, nah, nah, my C code is awesome ;) | 15:59 |
| lcuk | hehe | 15:59 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, :p u still ugly | 15:59 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, yes, but my code is awesome :) | 16:00 |
| lcuk | \:D/ | 16:01 |
| VDVsx | because I don't code in VB | 16:01 |
| VDVsx | :) | 16:01 |
| Corsac | grmbl, I can see a vfat partition but I can't do anything on the mmc part | 16:02 |
| VDVsx | ok, If someone want to help test some apps, join us at #maemo-testing :) | 16:02 |
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| Corsac | is there some kind of “single user” mode or something? | 16:09 |
| Robot101 | yes, turn it on, and wait for it to finish booting - single user. :) | 16:09 |
| Corsac | Robot101: that's not exactly useful | 16:10 |
| Corsac | Robot101: I mean “single user” like runlevel 1 | 16:10 |
| Shapeshifter | btw, wth is this "Mac OS" folder doing on an n900? | 16:11 |
| Robot101 | Corsac: without X etc, there's no console, so it wouldn't actually be very useful | 16:11 |
| Corsac | the point being to be able to do stuff before hildon-desktop loads, since after that it's loop-reboots | 16:11 |
| jensp | Hey, there, I'm following the instructions at http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash#Solution_.231:_swap_.2Fhome_and_MyDocs_partition to swap mydocs and home partitions. However when running the sfdisk --no-reread < table command I get "sfdisk: bad input" | 16:12 |
| jensp | any ideas what I could be doing wrong? | 16:12 |
| jensp | here's the console output: http://dpaste.com/174017/ | 16:14 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yay, just set the first event through the CLI using date-syntax successfully :) | 16:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: heh :-)) | 16:15 |
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| simoneb_ | is there some command-line unzip utility for n900? | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I thought the --help could use an example line | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | or 2 | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | simoneb_: prolly unzip? | 16:18 |
| simoneb_ | is that in extras-devel? | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | or in tools | 16:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aaaah, that's incredibly convenient to ssh into N900 from desktop :-) | 16:20 |
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| * RST38h moos demonically and sacrifices a hamster | 16:20 | |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeeek | 16:20 |
| ptl | did you use the moobox to moo? | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: bad dreams? ;-P | 16:21 |
| tybollt | what sound does a hampster make? | 16:21 |
| RST38h | ptl: No, I am mooing on manual | 16:21 |
| jonaskoelker | can I run fuse/sshfs on my N900? | 16:21 |
| RST38h | tybollt: Depends on what you do with it | 16:21 |
| RST38h | tybollt: In my case, it made a tearing sound. | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | crrrk? | 16:22 |
| jonaskoelker | *thbrrrrt*? | 16:22 |
| RurouniJones | Friend of Richard Gere eh. | 16:22 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: definitely will include examples | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I'm eager to see update :-) | 16:22 |
| RST38h | OMG another "nokia failed n900 is no iphone" thread | 16:22 |
| * lcuk mooos even more evily and sacrifices RST38h | 16:23 | |
| RST38h | Will they EVER stop? =) | 16:23 |
| jonaskoelker | RST38h: link? | 16:23 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Was it a good reason at least? | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: who? | 16:23 |
| jonaskoelker | I love being trolled ;-) | 16:23 |
| RST38h | jonas: talk.maemo.org | 16:23 |
| lcuk | yes RST38h we have food for the season now | 16:23 |
| RST38h | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=574040#post574040 (only because his join date is Aug 2009, would not quote the url otherwise) | 16:23 |
| RurouniJones | As someone who is about to upload his first ever GUI app to his N900 I can raise two fingers at all iPhone trolls | 16:24 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Wasn't it supposed to be goose though? =) | 16:24 |
| lcuk | awww damn! | 16:24 |
| * RST38h recalls what he remembers of Dickens | 16:24 | |
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| RurouniJones | Oh for gods sake | 16:29 |
| RurouniJones | anyone else had toruble installing the Maemo5 SDK using the GUI option with it complaining about sb-menu when setting up scratchbox? | 16:29 |
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| aep | anyone knows how mbarcode works? it just doesnt recognise anything for me | 16:31 |
| simoneb_ | aep: it recognizes well 1-d and another kind of 2d barcodes, doesn't work very well for me for other types of barcodes | 16:32 |
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| aep | i tried all kinds of barcodes | 16:32 |
| simoneb_ | aep: the 2d one is the one with the three little squares in the corner | 16:32 |
| aep | yeah | 16:32 |
| aep | well i tried multiple EAN codes | 16:32 |
| aep | and one 2d code | 16:32 |
| aep | it spits alot of FALSE in the console | 16:33 |
| aep | "analyse_probe returned FALSE" | 16:33 |
| RurouniJones | 2d barcode == QCode | 16:33 |
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| simoneb_ | trying that in a bright place helped a lot for me | 16:36 |
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| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5497788/the-typo-weve-been-waiting-for | 16:45 |
| RST38h | Ehehe | 16:45 |
| t-tan | jensp: what is the output of "sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0" ? | 16:46 |
| jonaskoelker | RST38h: is that going to lead to t-shirts, then? "Bitches don't know 'bout my large hardon collider" | 16:47 |
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| RST38h | jonas: Well, depends on whether you really think it is true and we should all know | 16:48 |
| * RST38h doubts it though | 16:48 | |
| pupnik | k think i need some Bad Brains... they rock | 16:50 |
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| jensp | t-tan: http://www.npaste.de/MX/ | 16:57 |
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| * VDVsx reminds that there's a testing marathon happening at #maemo-testing :) | 17:01 | |
| t-tan | jensp: weird. mine looks the same, except that p1 and p2 are swapped, as expected | 17:02 |
| t-tan | jensp: I get no errors when overwriting the table | 17:02 |
| jensp | I think I got it to work now | 17:03 |
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| jensp | t-tan: http://npaste.de/MY/ | 17:03 |
| jensp | using that as a table file worksforme :) | 17:03 |
| Corsac | ok, so flashing the device will loose /home too? nice >< | 17:05 |
| t-tan | jensp: err.. that will kill your home partition too | 17:05 |
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| jensp | t-tan: I made backups, I think I'll be fine | 17:06 |
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| pupnik | any of you chump ass idiots live in the USA? | 17:13 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, fuck, where is cfdisk now >< | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | ~curse imgtec | 17:14 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, imgtec ! | 17:14 |
| * Stskeeps goes drink | 17:14 | |
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| pupnik | yeah Stskeeps | 17:21 |
| pupnik | it is high time for high alcohol consumption | 17:21 |
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| pupnik | the shit that is going down is unbelievable | 17:21 |
| pupnik | and nokia plus intel? | 17:22 |
| pupnik | no. end. of. story. intel is BAD NEWS | 17:22 |
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| TomaszD | why pupnik | 17:24 |
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| pupnik | TomaszD: awareness. try to do what you can to increase yours | 17:29 |
| TomaszD | uhh, I like solving mysteries | 17:29 |
| TomaszD | ;) | 17:29 |
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| Stskeeps | pupnik: you don't happen to have a 'hello world' gles2 binary do you? | 17:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Using words like "junk" is always a good way to start a productive discussion. | 17:43 |
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| frals | GeneralAntilles: where? :D | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | MeeGo-community, new forum thread. | 17:48 |
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| ptl | If I use these on my N900 will my reception get better? -- http://www.alibaba.com/product-tp/108124305/Generation_X_Plus_Revised_Edition_Internal.html | 17:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ptl, yes. It gets better the more you use, too. | 17:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should cover the N900 in them. | 17:56 |
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| Arif_ | lol | 17:57 |
| Shapeshifter | Does someone know what all the "alarm_appid: worldclock_alarmd_id" alarms are in /var/cache/alarmd/alarm_queue.ini I've got loads of them and I don't see what they're supposed to be doing. | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | the alarms you have in the clock? | 17:58 |
| Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: ah of course! | 17:58 |
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| pupnik | yes Stskeeps i do | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | nm, found one | 18:03 |
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| Shapeshifter | But it seems like the alarm entries of the world clock don't go away. even if deleted. | 18:04 |
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| Shapeshifter | deleted through worldclock I mean, not libalarm | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | disabled probably | 18:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | alarmd is such a weird framework | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hrhrr | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | so the happier we are to get a sane wrapper - Shapeshifter's alarmed to the rescue :-D | 18:08 |
| Shapeshifter | it's so incredibly unobvious and somewhat daft. When you untick an alarm in world clock, it deletes the event, makes a new one that is exactly the same, but with flags: 7216 instead of flags: 136240 | 18:08 |
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| Moller | Is the only way to open a .py file in the N900 to use VIM in Xterm? | 18:09 |
| Shapeshifter | well brilliant. "flags" and both had options like alarm_time: -1 | 18:09 |
| Shapeshifter | so they made a property alarm_time, but if you set an alarm in world clock it uses trigger: 1269101700 instead of alarm-time: 1269101700 and sets alarm-time to -1. | 18:10 |
| Moller | And how is the phone itself (as with phone features: SMS, call & so on). I hear a lot that it's mainly an internet tablet :3 | 18:11 |
| cgoncalves | how much time approx. does a N800 take to flash? I've ran flasher first and turned on the device after. flasher is still saying "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." and CPU is at 99% for ~15min so far. | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it hasn't even started | 18:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | clock is so broken | 18:13 |
| cgoncalves | DocScrutinizer: how so? | 18:13 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: well my code isn't all that sane, because it kinda grew out of my initial script, which only reset gprs data at a set day per month ;) There are some obvious flaws in my design but I'm working on that ;) | 18:13 |
| mortal | weird, my toshiba level 6 sdhc card shows up totally corrupted in n800 | 18:14 |
| mortal | but when I read it in a pc, it is fine | 18:14 |
| ShadowJK | iirc you get some sort od progress display after flashing starts | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | cgoncalves: ""...not found, waiting." | 18:16 |
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| Moller | Question: Did you guys buy the n900 (if you have one ofc) for use as a phone or as a tablet pc? | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | cgoncalves: as soon as it starts flashing, this will change afaik. Also iirc for N810 flashing took <60s | 18:17 |
| microlith | Moller: both | 18:17 |
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| ShadowJK | Moller: I bought mine for use as a n900 :D | 18:17 |
| Moller | microlith: So are you using the Skype functionality and so on? | 18:17 |
| microlith | no | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | I mosttly use mine to idle on IRC, download and listen to podcasts, and web surfing | 18:17 |
| Moller | You are "just" using it for browsing and email?= | 18:18 |
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| Moller | And phone ofc. | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Moller: both | 18:18 |
| Moller | ShadowJK: How long does it last while doing so? | 18:18 |
| microlith | phone, browsing, e-mail, music, irc, etc. | 18:18 |
| ShadowJK | about a day | 18:18 |
| ShadowJK | in my use | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 18:19 |
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| ShadowJK | I think it'd last a day even if it had double the battery... I'd just use it for more stuff | 18:19 |
| ShadowJK | like streaming shoutcast music | 18:19 |
| Moller | Hmm. Let me get this straight: A n900 is so open source, that you can improve apps in it, such as firefox? So it _could_ become faster. | 18:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | n900 is partially opensource. | 18:20 |
| Moller | By partially, what is closed? | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Many of the battery consuming elements are closed | 18:20 |
| Moller | kernel? | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Some key applications. | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | ~closed | 18:20 |
| infobot | closed is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | battery management.. 3d drivers | 18:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | See that list | 18:20 |
| Moller | Ah ok. What about phone etc. Can you use Python to send a sms? | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | kernel is fully open source | 18:21 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 18:21 |
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| Moller | Damn I want one of these beasts. But they are quite expensive (: | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | paper route | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:22 |
| Moller | Stskeeps: Was thinking of getting one for the weekends tbh (: | 18:22 |
| user__ | so you should become a developer | 18:22 |
| Moller | user__: It is in my interest to start messing around with developing apps on it. | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | get a sdk and see if you survive that | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | learn qt | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | etc | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:23 |
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| Moller | Could anyone give an example of how to, for an example, send a sms using python? What libs would have to be imported? | 18:24 |
| Appiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Phone_call_and_SMS_examples | 18:24 |
| citylight2 | can anyone help me with icd2 and udhcpc | 18:24 |
| * Moller is embarrased for not searhing a tad more. | 18:24 | |
| Arkenoi | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9459 <- is there a solution/workaround? | 18:25 |
| povbot | Bug 9459: Arch Linux: GUI Installer crashes (TypeError: QWizardPage.registerField has unexpected type 'str') | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=send+sms+with+python+n900 | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:25 |
| * Moller disables NoScript while going on LMGTFY.com :P | 18:25 | |
| Shapeshifter | Arkenoi: you're trying arch on the n900? | 18:26 |
| Arkenoi | nope | 18:26 |
| Arkenoi | it has nothing to do with arch | 18:26 |
| Arkenoi | it is about installing sdk on fc12 in my case | 18:26 |
| citylight2 | I am trying to automate dhcp request when openvpn establishs connection | 18:26 |
| Moller | And how long does a resistive ts last? | 18:26 |
| Shapeshifter | oh | 18:26 |
| Arkenoi | but i ran into exactly similar problem | 18:26 |
| Shapeshifter | Moller: right until you smash it. | 18:27 |
| Moller | Shapeshifter: That would be a month or two. | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | Moller: a pouch or casing is always good | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't killed my n810 one yet | 18:27 |
| Moller | Stskeeps: Indeed. | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | and i have made dramatic examples of my n900 falling to the ground without smashing the screen | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | damn solid thing | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:28 |
| arachnist | way more solid than you'd expect from a slider phone with a big screen | 18:28 |
| Moller | Hah (: | 18:28 |
| Moller | How is it that it connects to your computer? Via SD card, usb or? | 18:29 |
| arachnist | i connect my n900 to my laptop over usb cable | 18:29 |
| Moller | arachnist: Does it require special software? Or is just an external harddrive | 18:29 |
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| arachnist | huh? | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | Moller, yes, it pretends to be an USB mass storage device | 18:31 |
| Moller | mgedmin: Good. Then I assume it'll work just fine on Linux. | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | actually, it pops up a menu letting you choose charging only/USB mass storage/Nokia PC suite | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | PC suite lets you use it as a 3G modem, among other things | 18:31 |
| arachnist | Moller: it can pretend to be a usb mass storage device, but you can also share internet connection using usbnet | 18:31 |
| citylight2 | I planned to issue a start-stop-deamon , but I want to know how wlan0 issues dhcp | 18:31 |
| Moller | Oooh, pretty! :9 | 18:31 |
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| atiti | hummz | 18:33 |
| arachnist | here's my usb tethering setup: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47288 | 18:33 |
| atiti | anyone got one of those 3500mah batteries for the n810? | 18:33 |
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| citylight2 | ha? what 3500 battery? | 18:34 |
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| atiti | mugen power offers them | 18:34 |
| RST38h | too thick | 18:35 |
| ptl | 3500 mAH? This is not a battery, this is an UPS... | 18:35 |
| ptl | mugen's is 2400, isn't it? | 18:35 |
| atiti | with a replacable back cover since its thicker | 18:35 |
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| citylight2 | ok where can I find how does wlan trigger dhcp? | 18:38 |
| citylight2 | what to ask google? | 18:38 |
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| mortal | is it possible to customize the menu on os 2008? | 18:43 |
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| cehteh | anyone tested the mugen battery .. how does it work with the back cover magnet/reed contact? and how about camera slide switch? | 18:45 |
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| pupnik | I LOVE THE GOVERNMENT. MY NAME IS ... | 18:56 |
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| Stskeeps | pupnik: are you high again? | 18:57 |
| pupnik | sadly no | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | #politics for the politics then | 18:58 |
| pupnik | oh it doesn't affect software? | 18:58 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: you still around in a couple of hours? | 18:58 |
| pupnik | lollercaust | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I'm always around | 18:58 |
| Shapeshifter | ;) | 18:58 |
| pupnik | that is *why* we must promote free, open source software Stskeeps | 18:59 |
| Shapeshifter | I'll finish up some of this stuff. Would be cool if you could test it before I push a heap of bugs to extras-devel ;) | 18:59 |
| pupnik | and we must EXPLAIN why also | 18:59 |
| * RST38h prescribes a daily dose of dailyrotten.com to pupnik | 18:59 | |
| RST38h | To, you know, develop a tolerance... | 18:59 |
| woglinde | jo | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG | <ptl> 3500 mAH? This is not a battery, this is an UPS... | 19:00 |
| MohammadAG | there is a 3600mAh one for the N97 | 19:00 |
| MohammadAG | lasts three days on heavy use I think | 19:00 |
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| RST38h | moo javispedro | 19:01 |
| javispedro | morning | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | lo javispedro | 19:01 |
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| lcuk2 | morning javis of the pedro clam | 19:01 |
| lcuk2 | clan even | 19:01 |
| javispedro | RST38h, fanoush was talking about the dispc in the mailing-list and linked to an (old) post of him where he was already talked about how we could use it for proper tv out :P | 19:02 |
| javispedro | s/was/had | 19:02 |
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| javispedro | so yet another vote for "it's reasonable". | 19:03 |
| javispedro | moo Sts, lcuk | 19:03 |
| RST38h | javis: I am planning to try using dsp1 for direct output but lack time to try | 19:04 |
| pupnik | RST38h: i respect your advice | 19:04 |
| javispedro | I will see if I can do something today | 19:04 |
| RST38h | pupnik: No, really: after a couple of weeks you will be able to meet any kind of news with "wow, nice, but why so few massacred, and not by implalement?" | 19:05 |
| pupnik | you are really right. i need to retain perspective | 19:05 |
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| woglinde | so whats up? | 19:06 |
| pupnik | but RST38h some people need to be alarms against this stuff. it is just a role that needs to be played. | 19:07 |
| woglinde | hrms | 19:07 |
| woglinde | shitty connection | 19:07 |
| woglinde | have to reset it | 19:07 |
| pupnik | not everything is inevitable... all things are in flux... | 19:07 |
| RST38h | pupnik: kinda not sure about it - don't know of a single case where alarmists affected the natural direction of events | 19:08 |
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| pupnik | RST38h: what is the cause of the fall of east germany, for example | 19:08 |
| woglinde_ | re | 19:08 |
| Shapeshifter | RST38h: best example is warnings of global warnings ;) didn't really do much | 19:08 |
| lcuk2 | RST38h, the problem with that sort of statement is that you cannot be sure | 19:08 |
| lcuk2 | ever | 19:08 |
| javispedro | moo wog | 19:08 |
| RST38h | usually, when it hits news, all the "right" turns in the casuality path have been taken already :) | 19:08 |
| lcuk2 | Shapeshifter, we have the warnings but still do not know if the ship is infact heading for an iceberg, or even if it will turn in time | 19:09 |
| Lonely_Troll | Who wanna guess were I am from? | 19:09 |
| RST38h | pupnik: USSR no longer willing/able to stand by it | 19:09 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk2: correct | 19:09 |
| lcuk2 | Lonely_Troll, under a bridge?! | 19:09 |
| woglinde_ | lcuk lol | 19:09 |
| pupnik | RST38h: so that was more of a systemic/economic collapse in your view, right? | 19:09 |
| Lonely_Troll | lcuk2 :) Noup, I mean from which country | 19:09 |
| RST38h | lcuk: In cases like this, the best thing an individual can do is GET THE FUCK OUT while there is time =) | 19:09 |
| * javispedro ponders what today's topic is | 19:09 | |
| lcuk2 | Lonely_Troll, why would we care? | 19:10 |
| pupnik | topic is RST38h is a wise person....... | 19:10 |
| lcuk2 | RST38h, i have my space ship standing by! | 19:10 |
| RST38h | pupnik: I am not a big expert on DDR's economy, but AFAIK it has been one of the healthiest in the socialist camp | 19:10 |
| Lonely_Troll | lcuk2 I need to chek my proxy | 19:10 |
| RST38h | pupnik: So, no, I doubt economics were to blame in the case of DDR | 19:10 |
| lcuk2 | Lonely_Troll, nahh you need to just stop caring, we are in a worldwide chatroom | 19:10 |
| Lonely_Troll | lcuk2 Nah? | 19:10 |
| lcuk2 | the country isnt important | 19:10 |
| Lonely_Troll | lcuk2 I know, but I wanna to use proxy and I cant plug it in | 19:11 |
| Lonely_Troll | ?????? | 19:11 |
| RST38h | pupnik: USSR, on the other hand, has been majorly screwed up in many ways, economically | 19:11 |
| pupnik | for decades! | 19:12 |
| Lonely_Troll | USSR sucks | 19:12 |
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| woglinde_ | afaik I am from GDR | 19:12 |
| woglinde_ | *g* | 19:12 |
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| Lonely_Troll | !geoip Lonely_Troll | 19:13 |
| Lonely_Troll | !loc Lonely_Troll | 19:13 |
| Lonely_Troll | Were am I from?????? | 19:13 |
| woglinde | norway | 19:13 |
| lcuk2 | i dunno, but you are entering ignore land soon | 19:13 |
| Lonely_Troll | how could i check it? | 19:14 |
| RST38h | pupnik: for 10-15 years to be exact | 19:14 |
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| lcuk2 | haha | 19:15 |
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| VDVsx | poor troll :P | 19:16 |
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| tank-man | wow, first troll in here? | 19:16 |
| javispedro | first? | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | ever? | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 19:16 |
| lcuk2 | no, VDVsx has been here for a while | 19:16 |
| javispedro | there's like, 533 of them. | 19:16 |
| * lcuk2 needs bacon | 19:16 | |
| tank-man | ok, i see ban list is more than 1 :) | 19:16 |
| * VDVsx trolls lcuk2 | 19:16 | |
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| pupnik | that is all so complicatyed | 19:18 |
| javispedro | btw, the topic line contains those unicode chars before pipe symbols again | 19:20 |
| woglinde | pupnik? | 19:21 |
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| pupnik | i'm just really PISSED at this warmongering woglinde | 19:22 |
| pupnik | mass slaughter of people | 19:22 |
| pupnik | oh look i have a cell-fone! | 19:22 |
| Shapeshifter | pupnik: what, who, where? | 19:22 |
| woglinde | pupnik thats nothing new | 19:22 |
| * pupnik dances jerking off with a cell fone | 19:22 | |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, bug in VDVsx? | 19:22 |
| woglinde | we came from animals | 19:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, s/fone/phone/g :P | 19:22 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, what I did | 19:22 |
| woglinde | pupnik be lucky not born 50 years later | 19:23 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: dunno, it might be your client for all we know >:) | 19:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, lies! | 19:23 |
| woglinde | wars about oil will start soon enough | 19:24 |
| javispedro | the actual char seems to be "0xc2 0xa0" instead of the usual "0x20" | 19:24 |
| javispedro | anyone with a unicode table? :) | 19:24 |
| woglinde | man unicode? | 19:24 |
| woglinde | man isocode worked sometimes | 19:24 |
| woglinde | hm | 19:25 |
| woglinde | what was it | 19:25 |
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| javispedro | char 00a0, NO-BREAK SPACE | 19:25 |
| javispedro | no wonder. | 19:25 |
| woglinde | no-break space lol | 19:26 |
| javispedro | so I guess it's a bug in the xchat topic "url linkifier" | 19:26 |
| woglinde | http://soundcloud.com/ninja-tune/solid-steel-radio-show-19-3-2010-part-1-2-hexstatic | 19:26 |
| woglinde | if you like techno | 19:27 |
| woglinde | hm next task net-snmp for diablo | 19:27 |
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| * phellarv got the N900 1 week ago - The best Pocketsized computer I've ever had. | 19:34 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you could argue a nonbreak-space actually be a part of URL, no? | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 19:36 |
| woglinde | jo doc | 19:36 |
| javispedro | without percent-encoding? that's some discussion. | 19:36 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders why topic would need non break spaces anyway | 19:37 | |
| javispedro | still, "be flexible in what your accept and strict in what you send" (or sth like that) ;) | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ack | 19:38 |
| d14_ | rst | 19:39 |
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| phellarv | FSCK - full rootfs | 19:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | phellarv, that's why you don't use Extras-devel. | 19:49 |
| phellarv | Hehe | 19:50 |
| phellarv | I'm an old Linux-hacker, so this is solvable | 19:50 |
| phellarv | symlinks all over the place | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | guess what /opt is | 19:51 |
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| phellarv | /home/opt. | 19:51 |
| phellarv | Just gotta love the ability to ssh into the phone, and fix things | 19:51 |
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| atiti | n810 has 3d accel right? | 19:52 |
| phellarv | /usr/share is a good candidate for some symlink-love | 19:52 |
| atiti | or at least the chip supposed to support it.... | 19:52 |
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| Stskeeps | atiti: yes, drivers are out but we dont work well with n810 special setup | 19:53 |
| atiti | special setup? | 19:53 |
| DrGrov | Anyone tested to use Zaggskins for the N900 and/or the N97? | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | framebuffer and lcd controller is a bit spezuhl | 19:54 |
| DrGrov | http://www.zagg.com/zaggskins/designs.php | 19:54 |
| javispedro | atiti: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=21697&page=60 | 19:55 |
| phellarv | rsync is a godgiven gift | 19:55 |
| javispedro | ... not on the n900? | 19:55 |
| toggles_w | DrGrov: I use the shield, works well | 19:55 |
| atiti | thx sts, javi | 19:55 |
| DrGrov | toggles_w: ok, cool. thinking here to buy for my N900 and my fiancees N97 some Zaggskins | 19:56 |
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| pratfall | hi, room. I'm thisclose to having a gemrb 0.6 package for Maemo 4/N810, but I'm having trouble understanding getting sound working | 19:57 |
| pratfall | I have openal installed, but gemrb is complaining that /dev/dsp isn't present | 19:58 |
| DrGrov | toggles_w: it would be quite nice addition to the otherwise dull black color of both N900 and N97 | 19:58 |
| lcuk | pupnik, didnt you do gem stuff? | 19:58 |
| pupnik | i'll smash face stuff | 19:58 |
| pratfall | I talked to the gemrb devs, and they said I needed an alsa plugin because maemo doesn't use "real alsa", but weren't sure which plugin | 19:58 |
| javispedro | pratfall: that will be hard. more easy would be to try to make gemrb to output to esd. | 19:59 |
| ptl | it doesn't use real alsa? | 19:59 |
| javispedro | pratfall: if it's using openal, i'm pretty sure openal must have an esd/esound backend... | 19:59 |
| pratfall | dono what they meant by that, but i know squat about sound on maemo | 20:00 |
| javispedro | ptl: it uses real alsa, but the interface is a bit "special". | 20:00 |
| javispedro | and every minor change in alsa breaks every app, you know :) | 20:00 |
| ptl | hmm | 20:00 |
| Shapeshifter | btw: alsa must die | 20:01 |
| Shapeshifter | please. | 20:01 |
| ptl | is this for integrating nicely into pulseaudio? | 20:01 |
| javispedro | no, this is the n810 we're talking about. | 20:01 |
| ptl | what should we have in place of alsa, Shapeshifter? | 20:01 |
| javispedro | the n8x0 | 20:01 |
| ptl | oh | 20:01 |
| Shapeshifter | ptl: OSS | 20:01 |
| ptl | Really? | 20:01 |
| ptl | isn't it? | 20:01 |
| ptl | As far as I know OSS has lots less capabilities and flexibility than alsa | 20:01 |
| javispedro | ptl: there's quite a large group of alsa haters here (me included), be careful =) | 20:02 |
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| woglinde | hm I hate pulseaduio | 20:02 |
| * Arif_ yawns | 20:02 | |
| ptl | I don't think that'll go away though | 20:03 |
| ptl | what is it? simplicity? easier to program? | 20:03 |
| woglinde | ?????? | 20:03 |
| ptl | stable APIs? | 20:03 |
| Shapeshifter | well for once the mixing works. | 20:03 |
| ptl | woglinde: I am asking javispedro and Shapeshifter what's with OSS that makes it better than alsa | 20:03 |
| woglinde | ptl I meant waht will you programming? | 20:04 |
| woglinde | yes sdl or qt and le it be abstract | 20:04 |
| phellarv | Fuck - Is there a way to mount the rootfs without booting up the N900? | 20:04 |
| woglinde | ups s/yes/use | 20:04 |
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| pupnik | lol | 20:05 |
| pupnik | boys with toys | 20:05 |
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| Arif_ | whatever they use...it won't make the speakers any better :P | 20:06 |
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| * ptl using mussorgsky to get album art for his mp3 collection | 20:08 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, MeeGo-dev is more offtopic, inaccurate and trollish than maemo-developers. | 20:08 |
| phellarv | Anyone knows ho to mount the rootfs without booting the N900 - I've in the famous reboot-loog | 20:08 |
| phellarv | s/loog/loob | 20:08 |
| phellarv | s/loog/loop | 20:08 |
| javispedro | a bit hard. | 20:08 |
| ptl | enable rd mode maybe? | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | R&D Mode wont help. | 20:09 |
| phellarv | ptl: Please feel free to elaborate | 20:09 |
| pupnik | i want to fuck up the guys who beat up crasshanddie | 20:09 |
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| javispedro | did they get that "read onenand instead of write" mode implemented in flasher? | 20:09 |
| pupnik | http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnim-s/4448440100/sizes/l/ | 20:09 |
| phellarv | Hrmf - I might have to reflash | 20:10 |
| ptl | is this the only way? reflash? | 20:10 |
| javispedro | r&d might help to boot it, depending on the way it broke. | 20:10 |
| ptl | to get out of the reboot loop | 20:10 |
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| woglinde | pupnik uh what happend? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | unless you hook into /bootmenu.sh and have something there | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, that's one monster CRT | 20:10 |
| pupnik | he keyboard is the hot babe GeneralAntilles | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I bet you could recover the cost of a new 24" LCD on electricity alone in 3 months. :P | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, is it buckling spring? | 20:11 |
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| pupnik | sadly, no | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, then it sucks. :P | 20:12 |
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| pupnik | yeah. | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | The whole "reference platform" bs seems like Nokia's marketing avenue out of actually supporting customers. | 20:12 |
| RST38h | not much different from GMail being in "beta" for years =) | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | putting too much weight into something that's really not there yet | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:12 |
| phellarv | Can I access a bootmenu on the N900? | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but you should have installed one first | 20:13 |
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| Stskeeps | people should really start hacking at it | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:13 |
| phellarv | Argh | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, Unicomp actually makes trackpoint USB buckling spring boards. | 20:13 |
| pupnik | yeah i know | 20:14 |
| DrGrov | Damn it! | 20:14 |
| pupnik | i don't really like those | 20:14 |
| DrGrov | I haven't seen this before. Is there actually a sort of this thing behind the N900 to use ? | 20:14 |
| mgedmin | phellarv, any clues why it might have started the boot loop? | 20:14 |
| DrGrov | http://www.mobile-users.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/n900-4.jpg | 20:14 |
| phellarv | Hehe - I was a bit eager with the symlinks | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | DrGrov, yes. | 20:14 |
| DrGrov | You see, is it there? Haven't seen it. It can be put on the table | 20:14 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: wtf? :) i didn't even know this :/ | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | DrGrov, it's around the camera. | 20:15 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: aha, that bugger was hidden from me :) | 20:15 |
| phellarv | mgedmin: I moved /usr/share to /home/share and symlinked. | 20:15 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 20:15 |
| RST38h | Gizmodo covers what is REALLY important to its readers: http://gizmodo.com/5497953/how-to-hide-your-collection | 20:15 |
| RST38h | (figures, I know) | 20:15 |
| phellarv | mgedmin: And when I hit reboot I had a *facepalm* moment... | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | who stores porn these days anyway? | 20:15 |
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| phellarv | mgedmin: Cause of the order things are mounted | 20:16 |
| ptl | rare porn is worth storing | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, like I said in #meego. This is the age of media streaming. :P | 20:16 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: I am not even sure who WATCHES porn. | 20:16 |
| RST38h | Why store rather than stream I can understand though | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | instead of just fast-forwarding? | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:16 |
| phellarv | mgedmin: So now it's time for reflashing | 20:17 |
| mgedmin | simplest solution | 20:17 |
| phellarv | Mmm | 20:17 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: thanks for helping me :) i thought that what the hell is that thing around the camera? :D | 20:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hrw|gone, ah, details. | 20:18 |
| DrGrov | GeneralAntilles: is it of durable quality? it holds the phone like forever if i keep it on a table with that thingie supporting the phone? | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | "does it have a kickstand or not" was probably the most important question when the n900 was first announced | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw|gone, gotta love the nebulous ambiguity. | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, the answer, of course, is "not". | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | it feels flimsy, but mine hasn't broken off yet | 20:18 |
| DrGrov | ah, that thingie in English is called kickstand | 20:18 |
| mgedmin | it's fine for reading stuff | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Both of the magnets on the two I have have fallen off. | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can't touch the damn thing with the stand out or it tries to tip over. | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | unusable if you need to, e.g., touch icons in the top-right corner of the screen | 20:19 |
| DrGrov | i will keep my phone on it all the time. | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | better than no stand at all | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's only vaguely better than the 770's stand in that it's integrated. | 20:19 |
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| DrGrov | of course if someone calls i switch down | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not really. | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | In this case it's worse. | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | magnets falling off = ouch! | 20:19 |
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| mgedmin | there was a little magnet that kept the stylus of my Palm Tungsten T from falling out | 20:20 |
| DrGrov | how long have you had it against the stand? | 20:20 |
| mgedmin | it fell off | 20:20 |
| mgedmin | afterwards I lost two styluses | 20:20 |
| DrGrov | the N900 kickstand that is | 20:20 |
| DrGrov | could i keep it for perhaps days even if necessary? | 20:20 |
| DrGrov | i gotta keep my high standards at work as well. can't let it lay on the table in class. | 20:22 |
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| mgedmin | heh | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | I'm afraid to leave the kickstand open overnight | 20:23 |
| DrGrov | it looks sloppy if i decide to drop my phone standards | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | afraid it might break if, say, a cat sits on it | 20:23 |
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| DrGrov | yeah, i will close the kickstand when i turn off the phone for the night. | 20:23 |
| pupnik | i hate kids | 20:24 |
| DrGrov | perhaps not take down the kickstand since there is no animals going around | 20:24 |
| pupnik | i hate the arrogance of youth | 20:24 |
| DrGrov | pupnik: you hate kids? | 20:24 |
| pupnik | lol you have so few years DrGrov | 20:24 |
| DrGrov | pupnik: referring to my work in class? | 20:24 |
| pupnik | it runs out baby | 20:24 |
| DrGrov | actually i am teaching older people | 20:24 |
| pupnik | bye bye | 20:24 |
| DrGrov | the youngest are around 20 years | 20:25 |
| DrGrov | the oldest around 50-55 years | 20:25 |
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| DrGrov | how do you guys and girls do with cases? keep any casing for the N900? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | pouch usually | 20:28 |
| DrGrov | Stskeeps: ok, what brand pouch? | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | found one in a shady shop in a shopping center branded 'nokia' and it works fine :P | 20:29 |
| DrGrov | how about connecting the N900 to a 42" Full HD LCD tv? can i connect a bluetooth wireless keyboard and use the N900 through the TV? | 20:29 |
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| DrGrov | Stskeeps: lol :) | 20:29 |
| ptl | you forgot the ps3 joystick | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | DrGrov, yes, but the TV connection is composite, so don't expect HD | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | playing Bounce on a large LCD TV is quite fun, though | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | typing notes -- not really | 20:30 |
| Arif_ | counting pixels doesn't sound very fun :P | 20:30 |
| DrGrov | mgedmin: no, i don't need HD :) it is enough with composite | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | you can watching movies that way | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | when I tried it the picture was a bit dark | 20:31 |
| DrGrov | mgedmin: yeah, that is what i thought. though i have a Xbox 360 for that purpose. | 20:31 |
| DrGrov | mgedmin: mostly for doing messages and IM and calls through the TV. Nothing really spectacular. | 20:31 |
| DrGrov | Just would be a cool thing to test when someone calls. | 20:31 |
| DrGrov | and write some messages. | 20:31 |
| DrGrov | a 42" lcd tv is not too big to write messages and IM ? | 20:32 |
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| DrGrov | mgedmin: the size of the tv screen shouldn't affect quality i hope? i mean, it would still be possible to write messages and use IM as good as on the phone on a tv | 20:35 |
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| Corsac | ok, back to the beginning | 20:38 |
| Corsac | now, would there be a way to put files on the vfat partition whith characters like '?' ? | 20:38 |
| mgedmin | Corsac, no | 20:40 |
| Arif_ | why would you want to do that | 20:40 |
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| * Shapeshifter hugs unicode | 20:41 | |
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| Corsac | Arif_: because I have music named like that | 20:41 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 20:41 |
| Corsac | Arif_: basically all my music filenames use the “correct” titles | 20:41 |
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| Arif_ | mine don't have question marks :( | 20:41 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: that problem gets even bigger when you have, like, japanese music with original titles as filenames. and that is why unicode rocks ;) though it's really a bit weird when people do that. | 20:42 |
| Shapeshifter | gets kinda hard to search for unless you know the glyphs >.> | 20:42 |
| Arif_ | that's why they invented id3 tags | 20:42 |
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| Corsac | Shapeshifter: I'd be ok with something replacing “wrong” characters, music is correctly tagged | 20:43 |
| Corsac | but I don't know a handy tool which would do that recursively on my music folder | 20:43 |
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| Arif_ | bulk rename utility | 20:43 |
| Arif_ | or | 20:43 |
| Arif_ | mp3tag | 20:43 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: or easytag | 20:44 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: you wanna try the new and improved alarmed? | 20:45 |
| Corsac | Arif_: will that work recursively on a folder? | 20:45 |
| Arif_ | yes | 20:46 |
| DrGrov | which bluetooth keyboard should i get? | 20:47 |
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| Arif_ | one from DX? | 20:47 |
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| mgedmin | I hear there are some issues with bluetooth keyboards | 20:47 |
| DrGrov | Arif_: DX? DealExtreme? | 20:47 |
| DrGrov | mgedmin: ah, do tell more. | 20:47 |
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| mgedmin | I'm not sure what exactly those are; I don't use a BT keyboard | 20:47 |
| Arif_ | yes | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | the builtin one is good enough | 20:48 |
| DrGrov | i would need a wireless keyboard for the N900 | 20:48 |
| mgedmin | AFAIU the same keys that are present on the builtin one work fine, but the N900 doesn't ship X keymaps for standard 101-key keyboards | 20:48 |
| DrGrov | i don't want long cables and shit hanging somewhere. my tv is a bit far away from the couch since it's 42". | 20:48 |
| mgedmin | so if you use things like VNC you end up being unable to use some of the keys | 20:48 |
| Arkenklo | you can just copy the keymap from any linux computer | 20:48 |
| Arkenklo | make that any *other* linux computer | 20:49 |
| DrGrov | ah, that is a true pain then... i could copy my current Vector Linux keymap from xorg.conf though. | 20:49 |
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| Corsac | Shapeshifter: though, isn't bulk rename an n900 utility? | 20:58 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: *shrug* | 20:58 |
| Corsac | ? | 20:58 |
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| V13 | any idea why the "changes" in project info page get stuck to an old version ? | 21:08 |
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| * Noobmonk3y has had way tomuch to drink..... | 21:09 | |
| Arif_ | did the forum just die? | 21:09 |
| V13 | oh oh.. | 21:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | i just joined.... did i kill it? | 21:10 |
| V13 | panic() | 21:10 |
| Shapeshifter | Arif_: seems like it | 21:10 |
| Shapeshifter | hooray | 21:10 |
| Arif_ | did Nokia forget to feed the squirrels again? | 21:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 21:11 |
| Shapeshifter | aww it's back | 21:11 |
| Shapeshifter | the trolling may continue | 21:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | is it? | 21:11 |
| V13 | back | 21:11 |
| V13 | (t.m.o. is back) | 21:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | ohhhh | 21:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | thats quite often these days | 21:12 |
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| Arif_ | hmm | 21:13 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, excellent | 21:13 |
| Arif_ | they should add the "share" option to the media player too | 21:13 |
| lcuk | you are drunken in charge of a pc | 21:13 |
| Noobmonk3y | excellent to what lcuk? lol | 21:14 |
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| Noobmonk3y | on the m25 and not sober..... :) | 21:14 |
| Noobmonk3y | drunken in charge of an n900 | 21:14 |
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| Noobmonk3y | thank someone for car chargers .... 12 hours without a charger is dangerous.... | 21:17 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, 12 hours is ok depending on what you are doing | 21:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | talking on herfe , wedding photos, uploading to flickr, tmo and blogging... quite impressed | 21:20 |
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| lcuk | yeah Noobmonk3y :) | 21:22 |
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| Noobmonk3y | i love my gf.... driving my car... saying .. 2hy the fu*k are they in the middle lane.... move you co*k!!! | 21:23 |
| Noobmonk3y | why* | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | your girlfriend is a trooper putting up with you :p | 21:24 |
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| DrGrov | damn | 21:25 |
| DrGrov | i found it | 21:25 |
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| DrGrov | my girlfriend is actually a tidy bit worse than that | 21:25 |
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| DrGrov | she tells in traffic when driving... "You fat f***, fuck off and die!" lol | 21:26 |
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| Noobmonk3y | hahaaha.... | 21:27 |
| Noobmonk3y | i prefer the subtlty | 21:27 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, why censor only one instance of fuck? | 21:27 |
| lcuk | or does she actually pronounce the * | 21:27 |
| lcuk | "you fat eff star star star" | 21:28 |
| Lumpio- | Censoring words is lame anyways | 21:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | i spy with my little eye something beginning with p..... errr........ p...... ptreeeeeee | 21:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles would argue TV is often funnier censored. | 21:28 | |
| Noobmonk3y | lol i put the * in fu*k | 21:28 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, i forgot to ask, why censor the word "cork" | 21:29 |
| lcuk | in linux can i change the audio delay | 21:29 |
| lcuk | im watching a streaming movie and i have about 1s sync problem | 21:30 |
| lcuk | i am hearing the things before they happen | 21:30 |
| Noobmonk3y | co*k ..... what a lovely place | 21:30 |
| lcuk | and when its bone splintering crunches i prefer them in sync | 21:30 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: mplayer uses + and - for that. | 21:30 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, and if i was using mplayer i could - its a flash video | 21:31 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: I guess yeah. not sure though. | 21:31 |
| V13 | lcuk : the sound is heard *before* the video ? | 21:31 |
| lcuk | yes v13 | 21:31 |
| lcuk | i hear gunshots, then watch the gun being fired etc | 21:31 |
| V13 | i believe that either the video is bad or your cpu can't handle the video | 21:31 |
| V13 | is it happening with youtube ? | 21:32 |
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| lcuk | nahh megavideo | 21:32 |
| Noobmonk3y | or the codec is wrong | 21:33 |
| V13 | but it is flash | 21:33 |
| V13 | sometimes i currect flash a/v desync by pause and resume | 21:33 |
| lcuk | its probably bad video | 21:34 |
| lcuk | im looking at others anr they are closer to sync than this one | 21:35 |
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| V13 | youtube is a good test. If it is in sync then it's the site's player or the video | 21:36 |
| V13 | Any idea if package imported runs from cron ? | 21:36 |
| V13 | importer | 21:36 |
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| * Noobmonk3y thinks the a24 is poor with signal.... but i'm still here.... | 21:38 | |
| Shapeshifter | Noobmonk3y: are you driving while drunk and writing on IRC at the same time? | 21:39 |
| Shapeshifter | that is some feat | 21:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol! | 21:40 |
| Noobmonk3y | give me a bit of credit! | 21:40 |
| Noobmonk3y | missus is driving my car | 21:40 |
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| lcuk | he must have one of those steering wheel desks to keep himself organised | 21:41 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 21:41 |
| * Shapeshifter can't figure out how to catch sigusr1 inside a pyside app. | 21:42 | |
| phellarv | Which is the best msn plugin for Conversations? | 21:42 |
| V13 | I use pecan | 21:43 |
| V13 | but I believe it draws some battery | 21:43 |
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| V13 | fwiw, I've settled with google talk which is more secure. | 21:43 |
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| hrw | morning | 21:43 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: ? | 21:43 |
| phellarv | Butterfly/Haze/Pecan - Hmmm | 21:44 |
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| lcuk | damn its the video | 21:47 |
| pwnguin | they all suck pretty bad for not limiting conversations to contacts | 21:47 |
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| MohammadAG | well, optifying themes isn't a good idea | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | (as in moving /usr/share/themes | 21:51 |
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| MohammadAG | ) | 21:52 |
| * Noobmonk3y is stopping of at the (possible future father in law's) place for his special home brew...... what a stop off!!! wohooooooooo | 21:52 | |
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| * Noobmonk3y swears at 1 bar of 2g........ | 21:55 | |
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| * Noobmonk3y is sining along to avenue Q..... eeeeeeeeeeveryones a little bit racist....... (youtube aenue Q) | 21:58 | |
| Noobmonk3y | (avenue Q*) | 21:58 |
| Arif_ | 1 bar of 2G/ | 21:59 |
| Arif_ | you live in Africa or something? | 21:59 |
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| Noobmonk3y | in surrey/sussex | 21:59 |
| Arif_ | you should move to a better place | 21:59 |
| Arif_ | :( | 22:00 |
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| takin`bac | http://www.e-castig.com/index.php?r=HzkN please, just click this link to help me win iphone, it's not a virus, i swear :))))))))))))))) | 22:00 |
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| MohammadAG | <Arif_> you live in Africa or something? | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | happens in tunnels and the "underground" as England calls it :) | 22:01 |
| Noobmonk3y | or the country side...... ie... most of england | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | is there any way to display the progress of cp in terminal? | 22:02 |
| _llll_ | with strace, MohammadAG | 22:02 |
| V13 | MohammadAG: AFAIK no | 22:02 |
| _llll_ | google it | 22:02 |
| _llll_ | or use 'rsync -P' for a built-in way | 22:02 |
| V13 | there must be another program that does this. | 22:02 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 22:02 |
| Arif_ | I have 3G in the metro | 22:02 |
| Arif_ | :D | 22:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | Arif_, you are special | 22:03 |
| Arif_ | yay | 22:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | ~ honour Arif_ | 22:03 |
| * Arif_ is on TMobile NL | 22:03 | |
| Noobmonk3y | infobot is american? | 22:03 |
| Arif_ | ~honour Noobmonk3y | 22:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | ahhhh still better than the uk lol | 22:04 |
| Arif_ | hm | 22:04 |
| Arif_ | too bad I only get 1Mbit | 22:04 |
| Arif_ | and after 2GB 384 | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | Note to self, when changing theme via terminal, do it as user | 22:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | loling MohammadAG | 22:04 |
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| Arif_ | stop using the terminal for that kind of things | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | V13, no what? | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | oh nvm | 22:05 |
| Noobmonk3y | painful result? | 22:05 |
| Noobmonk3y | now in the outback.... ashington west sussex..... still got 3.5g... random.... | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | Arif_, I'd get rid of the GUI for terminal | 22:06 |
| Arif_ | stop not appreciating GUIs | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | how do I add a .sh to my PATH? | 22:07 |
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| Noobmonk3y | ~ slap Arif_ | 22:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh infobot is on holiday | 22:07 |
| * infobot slaps Arif_, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! | 22:07 | |
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| Noobmonk3y | oh no 2g lol | 22:08 |
| * Arif_ touches infobot | 22:08 | |
| Noobmonk3y | 2g delay is random | 22:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | ~ fondle lcuk | 22:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | 2g delay? | 22:09 |
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| * Noobmonk3y will brb | 22:12 | |
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| Shapeshifter | I'm le tired now. | 22:17 |
| Arif_ | stop being tired in French | 22:18 |
| Shapeshifter | ;_; | 22:19 |
| massoud | Hi there ! | 22:19 |
| massoud | Do you guys know if there is any VoiceRecognition package/app for the n900 ? | 22:19 |
| lcuk | say again? | 22:20 |
| N900evil | massoud, no | 22:20 |
| massoud | that could allow like voice-jabbering | 22:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | voice recognition is a regrettably hard problem - and none of the players that do it seem inclined to put it on small platforms. | 22:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | It is clearly possible - see Dragon Dictate of 1994 for performance on similar hardware | 22:21 |
| spectre- | anyone tried ioquake3? | 22:22 |
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| spectre- | i get a black screen but can hear menu noises | 22:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | you have to navigate to the first nightvision pack first, before seeing the screen | 22:31 |
| lcuk | apt-get install torch :p | 22:31 |
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| lcuk | wasnt it doom3 that wouldnt let you duct tape a torch to your shotgun | 22:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | Proper physics based games that let you improvise boobytraps would be so awesome. | 22:36 |
| marcus__ | Boobytraps? :O | 22:36 |
| lcuk | booby :O | 22:36 |
| marcus__ | Tit? | 22:36 |
| marcus__ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booby_trap | 22:36 |
| marcus__ | Aha! | 22:37 |
| marcus__ | SpeedEvil: GMod perhaps? :P | 22:37 |
| Arif_ | tit? | 22:37 |
| Arif_ | ;o | 22:37 |
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| zerojay | lcuk: Doom 3 did force you to use the flashlight and your weapons separately. | 22:44 |
| marcus__ | ._. | 22:45 |
| marcus__ | You say what | 22:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Boobytraps, with a isolated bird wandering round for no apparant reason would be _awesome_ | 22:45 |
| zerojay | If you were able to use both at the same time, the entire game would become useless. | 22:45 |
| SpeedEvil | you walk next to it, and it explodes, killing you | 22:45 |
| marcus__ | Bird with some birdfood in a route leading to the trap would be pure sex. | 22:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-footed_Booby | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yo, zerojay. | 22:45 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Yo. | 22:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: sure I want | 22:47 |
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| marcus__ | Does the n900 handle Java? | 22:52 |
| marcus__ | In a webbrowser that is | 22:52 |
| Lumpio- | Java on the web? Did we just return to the 90s or something? | 22:52 |
| marcus__ | I've been frozen down for 20 years, and just woke up. | 22:53 |
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| marcus__ | so you can play games like minecraft? | 22:53 |
| V13 | well.. there are other uses too | 22:54 |
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| V13 | We've a KVM with java web interface in order to be able to transmit A/V. | 22:55 |
| V13 | It would require a proprietary plugin otherways. | 22:55 |
| V13 | I'd live to have access to that | 22:55 |
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| woglinde | re | 22:56 |
| woglinde | marcus__ icedtea/openjdk brings a browser plugin | 22:57 |
| marcus__ | woglinde: Ok, thanks (: | 22:57 |
| woglinde | marcus__ but the solution isnt yet enduser friendly | 22:57 |
| marcus__ | woglinde: Hopefully I can manage it. | 22:57 |
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| woglinde | we at jalimo dont have the time yet to bring all stuff in shape | 22:58 |
| marcus__ | jalimo? | 22:58 |
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| woglinde | try this http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenJDK_6.0_0_%28Cambridge_Software_Labs%29_on_N900 | 22:59 |
| woglinde | for maemo4 we used openembeddedto build openjdk | 22:59 |
| woglinde | which you could easily install on your device | 22:59 |
| marcus__ | okay | 23:00 |
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| woglinde | http://www.jalimo.org | 23:00 |
| RST38h | Ah fun, fun: http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/12/12/0037206/Sci-Fi-Author-Peter-Watts-Beaten-Charged-During-Border-Crossing | 23:01 |
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| RST38h | woglinde: the Jalimo stuff appears to be usable mostly by its authors. Kinda useless for an average Joe | 23:01 |
| woglinde | rst bah | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: But he's canadian, so clearly guilty. | 23:01 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Guess what? He has just been found guilty of assulting a police officer! | 23:02 |
| sekhar | hello...I am actually new to IRC .I am interested in working on MeeGo: power usage tuning as gsoc project .How to go about it and apply?can any one tell the procedure please. | 23:02 |
| RST38h | sekhar: /msg VDVsx | 23:02 |
| woglinde | rst if the fucking javavm would run smooth with qemu | 23:02 |
| woglinde | all stuff where in extras yet | 23:03 |
| RST38h | woglinde: I am not even sure anyone needs something like that on the tablets | 23:03 |
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| RST38h | woglinde: Would be more interested in a standard PhoneME package that would run midp games, from a file manager (using mime type) | 23:04 |
| woglinde | rst you proably not | 23:04 |
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| woglinde | other would like it | 23:04 |
| woglinde | for instance the java browser plugin | 23:04 |
| RST38h | woglinde: This is the moment where I usually ask about what real Java apps exist that are widely used by people | 23:04 |
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| woglinde | hm I give up on phoneme long time ago | 23:05 |
| RST38h | (and ask to exclude Eclipse ;)) | 23:05 |
| dmj726_n900 | anyone try to port gnome accessiblity apis to maemo before? | 23:07 |
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| V13 | Can someone try installing "Desktop Activity Manager" from extras-testing? | 23:20 |
| V13 | It should work, but the previous version had a dependency problem. | 23:20 |
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| lcuk | V13, try disabling other repositories | 23:36 |
| lcuk | theres possibly a later version in -devel | 23:37 |
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| V13 | oh no :) | 23:38 |
| V13 | i wrote that :) | 23:38 |
| V13 | but someone had problems installing it because of dependency problems | 23:38 |
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| user__ | is anyone here working on a text-app-launcher? | 23:45 |
| woglinde | ??? | 23:46 |
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| marcus__ | user_: Which is what? | 23:48 |
| user__ | you know when you type the first letter of an app to find and launch it insted looking through menus | 23:48 |
| marcus__ | Can't you use xterm for that? | 23:49 |
| marcus__ | some of the name -> tab | 23:49 |
| marcus__ | -> enter | 23:49 |
| lcuk | that involves opening xterm.. | 23:49 |
| lcuk | user__, good idea | 23:49 |
| user__ | where is tab on n900? | 23:49 |
| lcuk | i dunno if its in now or if its in any of the menu apps but it would be a cool thing to have | 23:49 |
| user__ | ye many desktops have those | 23:50 |
| * lcuk nods my playground does too | 23:50 | |
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| user__ | also in xterm there seems to be alot of other apps and suggestions | 23:56 |
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| tripzero | anyone ever setup their desktop and n900 via bluetooth a2dp? | 23:58 |
| tripzero | ie, the desktop as an a2dp slave to the n900? | 23:58 |
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