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| DocScrutinizer51 | yup, I recall you mentioning it | 00:00 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: shiboken will have a 60% smaller footprint :) | 00:01 |
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| pupnik | Arif_: do you hear occasional sputters/pops in the sound? | 00:02 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 00:02 |
| Arif_ | no | 00:02 |
| DrGrov | MiXu-: Still there? | 00:02 |
| Arif_ | sometimes it freezes somewhat | 00:03 |
| pupnik | i think people have crap hearing | 00:03 |
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| Arif_ | what game? | 00:03 |
| pupnik | every one | 00:03 |
| Arif_ | and | 00:04 |
| pupnik | any frameskip | 00:04 |
| Arif_ | have you updated to 1.1.1 | 00:04 |
| pupnik | yes | 00:04 |
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| valdyn | pupnik: rarely | 00:04 |
| Arif_ | maybe it didn't bother me | 00:04 |
| Arif_ | since the GBA is even worse | 00:04 |
| Arif_ | :D | 00:04 |
| valdyn | pupnik: but it depends what else you do at the same time on the device | 00:04 |
| DrGrov | Problems of screen freezing became solved when I rebooted | 00:04 |
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| pupnik | /usr/bin/Xorg -logfile /tmp/Xorg.0.log -logverbose 1 -nolisten tcp -noreset -s 0 <<< does that logverbose slow down Xorg? | 00:05 |
| valdyn | pupnik: no | 00:05 |
| DrGrov | Now it is working very well. I powered off the phone, charged it, power back on and no problems what so ever with not the touch screen response time. | 00:05 |
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| valdyn | pupnik: read the Xorg manpage | 00:05 |
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| valdyn | pupnik: this is *reducing* log compared to default | 00:06 |
| DrGrov | So a little rebooting here and there is good to do | 00:06 |
| pupnik | ok thanks. you read the Koran ;) | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: how you're going to handle concurrent invocations of alarmed? E.G when GUI is open, and you call the cli interface | 00:09 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: stuff is written to files right after anything is done | 00:10 |
| pupnik | Arif_: | 00:11 |
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| pupnik | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state running picodrive shows it constantly in 600mhz mode | 00:11 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: as soon as the user tabs "Save" or enters something on the CLI, the event is saved. I might add a "refresh" button for the GUI to load events added from the CLI. but I don't really see anyone using both at the same time | 00:11 |
| Shapeshifter | kinda pointless | 00:12 |
| Shapeshifter | if you have the gui open, why not use it. | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sure. Anyway you want to avoid one instance nuking edits done by the other meanwhile | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | you could use a 'killall -siguser1 alarmed' to notice brothers about a new kid on the block | 00:14 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: there's no "edits", alarmd doesn't support them. editing means deleting one event and adding another. if for some insane reason, both the gui and the cli want to "edit" the same event at the same time, both will delete it (one will fail but not care a lot) and then there will be two new events. | 00:15 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: nice idea | 00:15 |
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| DrGrov | Is the developer of EFL (Enlightenment Foundation Libraries) raster around here usually? | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | sometimes | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | he also wanders into #openmoko at times | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | !seen raster | 00:17 |
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| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: ok, next time I see him around I will PM him and ask about if EFL will be used somehow with the N900 and so... | 00:19 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: perhaps I don't get a straight forward answer but I tried at least :) | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | A reads in. B reads. A writes new event. B writes and deletes A's new event | 00:20 |
| DrGrov | How is it with Spotify on the N900? Do I need a premium account in order to use it? | 00:20 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: hello there, thanks for the help last time :) | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err? | 00:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | call me Bart. I didn,t do nuttin | 00:22 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: nah, you did help me with some small minor details :) | 00:23 |
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| Mece_ | DrGrov, yes you need premium spotify | 00:24 |
| DrGrov | Mece_: well god damn :( | 00:24 |
| DrGrov | Mece_: i hoped i could use a free spotify account but nah, it is still ok. i could pay about 10 euro / month for good music. | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | DrGrov: like? | 00:25 |
| Mece_ | it's pretty sweet ye. | 00:25 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: about that repo functions. | 00:26 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: if my memory serves my correct that is. i know you helped at least with something, i presume with the repo functions. | 00:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | like remove repos' then install? | 00:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nevermind | 00:27 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: yeah, something like that actually. | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway yw | 00:27 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: it was about if having smaller issues with repos or was it with updates. yeah, anyway :) LOL | 00:28 |
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| pupnik | that spc700 gets real tiring after a while :/ | 00:36 |
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| DrGrov | I just got a message on the phone saying I could update to a new firmware. | 00:37 |
| Mece_ | say whoot? | 00:37 |
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| DrGrov | It is 16,2MB in size. It complained about "Operations failed" but phone still work. Everyone else get the same error message? | 00:37 |
| Mece_ | british? | 00:37 |
| DrGrov | Mece_: sorry, I mean last weekend I got it. Sorry, terribly sorry. | 00:37 |
| Mece_ | hehe no prob | 00:38 |
| DrGrov | But phone still works well. You get that same error message "Operations failed" when installing? 16,2MB and 3.2.xx.xx | 00:38 |
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| Mece_ | nope | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no update here | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what's been the update's name? | 00:39 |
| Mece_ | DrGrov, 3.2010.02-8 ? | 00:39 |
| DrGrov | It was the firmware update. | 00:39 |
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| DrGrov | Yes, I remember it was 3.2010.02-8 if I remember correctly | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what's your 'df -h /'? | 00:40 |
| DrGrov | 16,2MB and said Operations failed but phone still rebooted and installed itself without problems. | 00:40 |
| DrGrov | i have my phone switched off at the moment... i am sure it was 3.2010.02-8 since it still worked. been reading that many got that same error. | 00:40 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: you get that same error, operations failed? | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I had not major update for some time | 00:43 |
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| DrGrov | Ok, you had already 3.2010.02-8 then? | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | prolly since 2010-02-08 | 00:43 |
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| DrGrov | ok. | 00:44 |
| DrGrov | so it seems like i got the latest firmware now since i had the older | 00:45 |
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| Arif_ | zomg | 00:50 |
| Arif_ | hax | 00:50 |
| Ijan | sorry mentor | 00:50 |
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| noobmonk3y | meh infobot on holiday? :P | 00:51 |
| Arif_ | ~rob noobmonk3y | 00:51 |
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| noobmonk3y | lo alls | 00:51 |
| Arif_ | xD | 00:51 |
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| Arif_ | hmm | 01:00 |
| Arif_ | werz da pr1.2 | 01:00 |
| Arif_ | I want search in my media player | 01:00 |
| Arif_ | and proper radio | 01:00 |
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| ScribbleJ | I want uPNP to work again. | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: I hoped infobot learnt to ignore you, as regrettably I had to write a macro to ignore you as well as your infobot spam | 01:03 |
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| Arif_ | ~wobble noobmonk3y | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | same applies to Arif_ btw | 01:03 |
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| * DocScrutinizer suggests #arif+noobmonkey | 01:04 | |
| Arif_ | I already told you | 01:04 |
| Arif_ | go ahead | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | there you could noise around the whle day. Alas infobot won't follow | 01:05 |
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| Arif_ | irc is serious business apparently? :P | 01:05 |
| w00t | very serious | 01:06 |
| Arif_ | so serious there shouldn't be any spam! | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: once you had to filter out the rare bits of info from 20+noisy chan, you'd understand why it is | 01:06 |
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| DrGrov | bbl, ttyl guys and everyone take care | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cya dregin | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, ^drgrov | 01:09 |
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| pupnik | is it just me or is it freenode that is under fire | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's war | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, some positives: noobmokey is gone again ;-P | 01:12 |
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| oli_ | hi | 01:16 |
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| oli | does anyone have "screen" app for diablo? | 01:17 |
| oli | it's impossible to find it via google | 01:17 |
| oli | all I got are lcd related issues ;) | 01:17 |
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| pupnik | oli: ahve you tried gronmayer or rst's search engine? | 01:37 |
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| pupnik | is freenode just burning in flames or what | 01:45 |
| ds3 | smouldering maybe ;) | 01:47 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:55 |
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| jcrawford | hello everyone | 02:00 |
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| njsf_ | re Hi all | 02:07 |
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| ptl | hi | 02:20 |
| ptl | wee | 02:20 |
| ptl | just got zephyr's SDK documentation | 02:20 |
| ptl | my zephyr HxM with taxes and all ended up costing about US$ 293 for me | 02:21 |
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| ptl | oh, c'mon | 02:25 |
| ptl | where's the chat? | 02:25 |
| ptl | the channel is full of people, the time is right | 02:25 |
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| ptl | at this time usually there's lots of talk | 02:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | ptl: we're all out hunting. | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | wabbits! | 02:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles is hunting SpeedEvil. | 02:26 | |
| ptl | is it wabbit season yet? | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh noes! | 02:26 |
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| Myrtti | ptl: Europe sleeps | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Actually hunting a mouse ATM. | 02:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not getting into the traps though. | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Scratching inside the walls :/ | 02:27 |
| ptl | I have two cats in my house, never have to hunt mouses :D | 02:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | My cat could care less | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good thing I don't currently have any mice. | 02:28 |
| ptl | of course, they've got respect an officer from the Rebel Alliance | 02:28 |
| ptl | I mean, the old republic | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | My previous cat caught lots of mice, but I binned it. | 02:29 |
| Funnyface | binned? :> | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Placed in the bin. | 02:29 |
| ptl | you binned the mice or the cat? | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | the cat. | 02:29 |
| ptl | poor cat! | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | It was dead at the time. | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | ptl, New Republic. :P | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Hence not so good at the mouse catching anymore. | 02:30 |
| ptl | bury him in the pet sematary! | 02:30 |
| ptl | he'll become even better at catching live stuff | 02:31 |
| ptl | or her, for that matter | 02:31 |
| jaska | :D | 02:31 |
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| * SpeedEvil ate some cheese and crackers. | 02:32 | |
| SpeedEvil | (160 calories) | 02:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles might have a pair of Nathan's hot dogs. | 02:32 | |
| ptl | about 25 minutes on the treadmill | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | (1000 calories or so) | 02:33 |
| * SpeedEvil is currently doing excersize by lawning. | 02:33 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I have one of those magical metabolisms that means I never gain weight. :P | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | (moved 20 barrows of soil today. | 02:33 |
| ptl | my cat is resting on the treadmill, I can't use it now. | 02:34 |
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| Funnyface | now before I fry something, all nokia chargers have the same polarity right? | 02:34 |
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| Funnyface | thinking of using an old nokia charger with that adapter cable I got with my N900 :p | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil | check the compatibility list | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Some make it overheat | 02:35 |
| Funnyface | the charger or the device? | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | the adaptor | 02:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | the ca146 that is | 02:37 |
| Funnyface | ah ok | 02:37 |
| Funnyface | so, it does contain electronics then? | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | It's got what appears to be a buck-boost switching converter | 02:38 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't fully analysed it | 02:38 |
| Funnyface | ok, I thought it was just a straight through adapter | 02:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It gets hot | 02:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | it's slow. | 02:39 |
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| Funnyface | http://www.dani2xll.com/my_weblog/2009/08/nokia-n97-adapter-meltdown.html lol | 02:43 |
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| breakd0wn | has anyone tried the ps3 controller with the n900? Does it have the same latency issue that the wiimote has? | 02:58 |
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| pupnik | championship pro-am does a nice job of an isometric car-racer. it could be quite doable to make a clone... | 03:11 |
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| ds3 | anyone know what's the difference between a CA-146 and a CA-146C? | 03:45 |
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| ptl | qdialer is not working? | 04:05 |
| ptl | mine dumped core. | 04:05 |
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| wazd | any survivors? :) | 04:15 |
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| ptl | me | 04:19 |
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| ptl | survivor from what? | 04:19 |
| ptl | I live, which might mean I survived | 04:19 |
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| naxxatoe|mbp | anyone ever thought about building a sleep tracking app for maemo 5 ? using accelerometers to meassuere movement and then detect sleep phases based on it and wake ppl up based on a time (from to) when it is the best possible time :P | 04:49 |
| dmj726_n900 | how would you distinguish sleep from say sitting? | 04:50 |
| dmj726_n900 | oh just run on the app at night... | 04:51 |
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| dmj726_n900 | didn't notice the bit about sleep *phases* | 04:52 |
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| naxxatoe|mbp | yeah np | 04:54 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | the idea is, launch the app, put it somewhere on the bed (but still so it doesnt fall down) | 04:55 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | track motions (because the bed will move when one does) | 04:55 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | so its accelerometer data | 04:55 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | match movment to sleep cycles, there is good and easy math on it | 04:56 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | (check wikipedia for that) | 04:56 |
| lcuk | run n900fly so when you kick it out of bed you know you turned over. srsly theres better ways to know you are sleeping - use ecoach and get one of those doody monitoring things | 04:56 |
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| naxxatoe|mbp | then in a time (lets say between 07:00 an 07:00) based on how much you move (indicating deep or light sleep) | 04:57 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | ring a alarm, just as a idea | 04:57 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | its more or less bringing cool new stuff to the device rather than porting stuff without thinking about new content to bring | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | naxxatoe|mbp: it's been analysed and considered difficult to impossible to detect sleep phases with a accelerometer not worn at your body | 04:58 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | you shure about this? | 04:59 |
| dmj726_n900 | that was my thought as well | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the "good and easy math" isn't known here. Wikipedia does show exactly the opposite to an easy math | 05:00 |
| dmj726_n900 | you would have to convince me it actually did what it claimed to | 05:00 |
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| naxxatoe|mbp | http://itunes.apple.com/no/app/sleep-cycle-alarm-clock/id320606217?mt=8 | 05:00 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | win | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | the iphone app for example has been proven to be a hoax | 05:00 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | proof? | 05:01 |
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| dmj726_n900 | I saw an iphone app that claimed to detect lies based on reading the contact with your thumb. It very obiously didn't work | 05:02 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | well you cant compare that | 05:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | naxxatoe|mbp: you're asking me for a proof? or asking if there actually is a proof about iphone app? | 05:02 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | proof of it beeing a hoax | 05:03 |
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| dmj726_n900 | it would be cool to have a sleep montoring app but don't know how on could make it work | 05:03 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | dmj726_n900: seriously thats comparing a single press on a display to accelerometer data, i dont see the relation here | 05:03 |
| dmj726_n900 | but it's nontrivial to interpret the accelerometer data to accurately reflect sleep patterns. especially if the phone is not mounted to the person. that's all i'm saying. | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | naxxatoe|mbp: me and a couple of other guys had weeks of discussions and gathering data/docs/reviews. We found reports about iphone sleepphase alarm not working like advertised, and we found it matching our own conclusions. If you want to go thru same effort, you'll probably come to same result | 05:05 |
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| naxxatoe|mbp | actually the fun part is i did | 05:06 |
| dmj726_n900 | prove me wrong with a working app | 05:06 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | my gf has a iphone, works for us :P | 05:06 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | but then again it can be a whole placebo aswell | 05:06 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | but from that pov anything is, as knowing anything about it influences results | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly the conclusion of that report in TV | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | placebo | 05:07 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | besides that thing, from a logical point of view | 05:07 |
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| naxxatoe|mbp | matrasses will move and bend when you move on em | 05:07 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | just fom the way they are built | 05:07 |
| naxxatoe|mbp | so its not all out of the air, and you can be quite good on guessing as you have clear corelations between movment in sleep and sleep phases (thats the thing i outlined int he wikipedia thing) | 05:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you can't sense the movement that really matters here | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | via matrass | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no, you exactly have NO clear relations between movements and sleep phases | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for one fact: during dreams you're NOT moving usually | 05:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but as dream phase also is absolutely NOT the phase to wake up easy and fresh, this isn't the real problem | 05:13 |
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| naxxatoe|mbp | ok, i am off to the lab, gonna solder up up something to track my movement on body and then on the bed, give me a couple of nights | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | the real problem is, you don't move a lot at beginning of dream phase, when you come up from deep sleep, which is the best moment for an alarm | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | the large movements (roll from one side to the other) during a night are rare - just 5 to 10 times - so this isn't enough to detect the dream phases correctly (the times when you do not move). You need the small movements to detect these dreamphases, and those won't be detected by a device on the corner of your matrass | 05:16 |
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| dmj726_n900 | anyone have no sound from debian? | 05:17 |
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| pupnik | yes others have that problem | 05:22 |
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| dmj726_n900 | i just made it work in one prog | 05:26 |
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| pupnik | how does it talk to the pulseaudio outside of chroot dmj726_n900 ? | 05:31 |
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| dmj726_n900 | i set the music player to output to pulse and it made noise | 05:36 |
| dmj726_n900 | now i just need it to output audio from festival | 05:37 |
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| pupnik | what are you doing text-to-speech for dmj726_n900 ? | 05:48 |
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| dmj726_n900 | i want to make the n900 into an accesibility device for blind people | 05:49 |
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| pupnik | what does festival do that espeak doesnt? | 05:51 |
| dmj726_n900 | espeak sounds annoying | 05:52 |
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| dmj726_n900 | bleeding ears | 05:52 |
| dmj726_n900 | i wouldn't mind using espeak but i don't think users would like the sound of it for long form works. | 05:53 |
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| pupnik | cool project | 05:55 |
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| pupnik | hope you have some testers | 05:55 |
| dmj726_n900 | yeah I'm going to glue it together with tessaract | 05:55 |
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| dmj726_n900 | my mom specializes in low-vision | 05:56 |
| dmj726_n900 | so finding testers shouldn't be hard. | 05:56 |
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| pupnik | audiobooks would be great | 06:01 |
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| dmj726_n900 | it would make audio books from paper books | 06:05 |
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| pupnik | muad diib! | 06:05 |
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| pupnik | how about book selection, chapter selection, bookmarks... | 06:06 |
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| dmj726_n900 | probably give it an ebook reader too. | 06:10 |
| pupnik | i hope it's not going to require debian chroot | 06:11 |
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| Arkenoi | dmj726_n900, i seriously doubt a device with almost no hardware buttons is handy for a blind | 06:27 |
| Arkenoi | a gesture-driven interface may be, though | 06:28 |
| lcuk | Arkenklo, theres this off thing called a keyboard | 06:35 |
| lcuk | its got a couple of buttons | 06:35 |
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| dmj726_n900 | i am making a ui that speaks | 06:38 |
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| dmj726_n900 | pupnik: no I just figured i would test the existing debian festival first | 06:41 |
| pupnik | mhm | 06:41 |
| pupnik | makes sense | 06:41 |
| dmj726_n900 | it seems to run but it gives me the silent treatment | 06:42 |
| ptl | where is the best way to embed speech synthesis on an application? There is a system API for that? There's something like libfestival ou libespeak? | 06:42 |
| ptl | s/ ou / or / | 06:43 |
| infobot | ptl meant: where is the best way to embed speech synthesis on an application? There is a system API for that? There's something like libfestival or libespeak? | 06:43 |
| dmj726_n900 | I don't know if there is any system-wide api for speech in maemo | 06:44 |
| ptl | wouldn't this information be good for your UI? | 06:46 |
| dmj726_n900 | yes | 06:47 |
| dmj726_n900 | I rather suspect that there is none as yet | 06:48 |
| ptl | found it | 06:48 |
| ptl | flite | 06:48 |
| lcuk | dmj726_n900, if there isnt, go look around general linux and see whats around, or put some notes together on the maemo wiki | 06:48 |
| lcuk | for other accessiblity stuff too :) | 06:49 |
| dmj726_n900 | the big two desktop environments have it | 06:49 |
| ptl | maemo-mapper uses flite | 06:49 |
| ptl | there's libflite1 | 06:49 |
| ptl | so I think that's the best bet | 06:50 |
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| frankS2 | libfitte | 06:50 |
| ptl | talk.maemo.org rules big time. All the answers are there. | 06:51 |
| dmj726_n900 | i have used espeak so far | 06:51 |
| njsf_ | mapper has not been good to me. 8/10 times it causes my n900 to go 90% iowait and everything stalls. I suspect interaction with media player. every one of those 8 times I was previously listening to something | 06:51 |
| ptl | file a bug report! | 06:52 |
| njsf_ | I will ) | 06:54 |
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| ptl | there's libeaspeak also | 06:58 |
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| dmj726_n900 | that's what i was using | 07:00 |
| dmj726_n900 | ...it had a grating voice | 07:01 |
| ptl | s/libeaspeak/libespeak/ | 07:03 |
| infobot | ptl meant: there's libespeak also | 07:03 |
| dmj726_n900 | ah...yeah I was just calling the command line for it | 07:04 |
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| dmj726_n900 | I don't think I'll be able to make all parts of maemo accessible, but I'm hoping to make the n900 a useful (and inexpensive) tool for reading documents, making calls, taking notes and so forth. | 07:07 |
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| dmj726_n900 | cool...maemo is doing gsoc | 07:20 |
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| dmj726_n900 | anyone else looking to participate? | 07:27 |
| ptl | what's gsoc? | 07:29 |
| ptl | participate in what? | 07:29 |
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| dmj726_n900 | ptl: google summer of code | 07:41 |
| ptl | oh, google summer of code | 07:41 |
| ptl | yeah, I used google define: to get it :P | 07:41 |
| ptl | it's summer only in the northern hemisphere. | 07:41 |
| dmj726_n900 | you in the southern one? | 07:41 |
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| ptl | I always forget the time due to that. Google shouldn't use 'summer' for something that's supposed to be global. | 07:41 |
| ptl | Yes, Brazil. | 07:41 |
| dmj726_n900 | it is a bit silly. it makes lots of sense in an american context, but probably not so much in other parts | 07:43 |
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| ptl | dmj726_n900: do you use qtcreator? | 07:55 |
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| Stskeeps | dmj726_n900: i like your idea | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | (for n900 accessible for blind) | 08:01 |
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| ptl | Ok | 08:03 |
| dmj726_n900 | stskeeps: thank you | 08:03 |
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| ptl | just went to the MADDE page | 08:03 |
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| ptl | there's MADDE integration for Mac OS X and for Windows | 08:03 |
| ptl | why not for Linux??? | 08:03 |
| dmj726_n900 | i haven't used qt ceator yet | 08:03 |
| ptl | *madde qt creator integration | 08:04 |
| dmj726_n900 | I'm thinking of proposing it as a summer of code project | 08:05 |
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| ptl | hmm | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like an idea | 08:06 |
| dmj726_n900 | I'm not sure who to talk to about that. | 08:08 |
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| dmj726_n900 | since it will need a mentor and getting good feedback and communication during themproposal phase is important. | 08:13 |
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| acidjazz | so | 09:07 |
| acidjazz | maemo contacts | 09:07 |
| acidjazz | exports to a csv file per contact | 09:08 |
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| acidjazz | where most everything else on this planet wants one csv file for all contacts | 09:08 |
| acidjazz | thats just awesome | 09:08 |
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| rmrfchik | acidjazz: how you had exported contacts?? | 09:10 |
| acidjazz | rmrfchik: if thats english.. im guessing you're asking me how i exported my n900 contacts? | 09:11 |
| rmrfchik | that is engRish | 09:12 |
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| mece | ;D | 09:12 |
| rmrfchik | i guess, u expoted via menu. i want some automated way. | 09:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | why? | 09:15 |
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| mece | http://code.google.com/p/gl-wes-v2/ | 09:17 |
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| dmj726_n900 | mece: cool | 09:19 |
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| dmj726_n900 | have you tried it yet? | 09:20 |
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| acidjazz | rmrfchik: under the settings | 09:24 |
| acidjazz | i figured it out btw | 09:24 |
| acidjazz | cat *.vcf > all.vcf | 09:24 |
| acidjazz | add a \r before each BEGIN in vim | 09:24 |
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| mece | dmj726_n900, I'm working on it. My brother has some gl test projects that he's been working on that I'll try it on. | 09:27 |
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| rmrfchik | timeless_mbp: want to backup concatcs | 09:33 |
| rmrfchik | contacts | 09:33 |
| timeless_mbp | you could just steal the .db files... | 09:34 |
| rmrfchik | and how to deal with it when n900 dies? | 09:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | ? | 09:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | as in restore? or use on another platform? | 09:35 |
| rmrfchik | another platofrm | 09:35 |
| rmrfchik | platform.. (wtf with my fingers??) | 09:36 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc it's sqlite, i'm sure someone will provide a script that lets you export | 09:36 |
| FIQ | jhejsan nu provar jag att skicka random text | 09:37 |
| acidjazz | yea stealing the .db would be sweeter quicker and more fun | 09:37 |
| mece | spännande.. | 09:37 |
| acidjazz | it is sqlite | 09:37 |
| acidjazz | sqlite all u need is a query | 09:37 |
| mece | well it's not stealing if you already own it.. | 09:37 |
| rmrfchik | it's pirating!!! | 09:38 |
| rmrfchik | contactz.torrent | 09:38 |
| mece | lol | 09:38 |
| timeless_mbp | torrent.contac.tz | 09:38 |
| mece | l33t | 09:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | so, as far as contacts the application (always?) running on your n900 is concerned, *it* owns the file, not you | 09:39 |
| timeless_mbp | so it is stealing | 09:39 |
| rmrfchik | doh, grab ~/MyDocs/backups | 09:39 |
| timeless_mbp | that's why i use the term | 09:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | rmrfchik: i kinda assumed you had an issue w/ backup, … it seemed too obvious | 09:40 |
| rmrfchik | i saw ".db" in backups and feel uncomfortable | 09:40 |
| rmrfchik | (don't like binary formats) | 09:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | there's a recent blog post somewhere which lists the n900 profile files and their formats | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | it specifically covered at least this file | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm sure you can find it | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | thankfully at this point nokia isn't in the business of making proprietary database formats | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | … proprietary database schemas? sure, formats? nah | 09:42 |
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| xt | I'm trying to figure out what service name and object path in dbus to use for requesting a text channel to send gabber messages, does anyone know? | 09:48 |
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| Anssi__ | rmrfchik, there might be some useful database related stuff under /usr/share/tracker | 09:52 |
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| rmrfchik | Anssi__: nice!! thanks | 09:52 |
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| jaem | hello, all | 10:09 |
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| jaem | Stskeeps, moo | 10:10 |
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| Stskeeps | moom | 10:11 |
| jaem | heya, how are you? | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | i'm good | 10:13 |
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| * jaem is hacking at his uni research | 10:14 | |
| jaem | I've been in "maintenance mode" for a while, just keeping my code up with everyone else's | 10:14 |
| jaem | which has meant that I haven't made much progress | 10:14 |
| jaem | this is changing... :) | 10:14 |
| jaem | anyhow, that brings me to my question | 10:14 |
| jaem | which I figured you might be a good person to ask | 10:15 |
| jaem | when we initially started this project, I was the only person with any Maemo experience at all (I convinced my prof to ask Nokia for N900s instead of N97s) | 10:15 |
| jaem | and for development, we have a mix of Win/Lin/Mac | 10:16 |
| Shapeshifter | guys, is there some way of setting "invisible" in the IM client? maybe through dbus to telepathy? | 10:16 |
| jaem | so we end up with a lot of messiness surrounding build config and deployment for testing | 10:16 |
| timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: that sounds like courting disaster | 10:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: huh | 10:16 |
| timeless_mbp | osso-statusbar-presence.po:msgid "pres_bd_jabber_invisible" | 10:17 |
| timeless_mbp | osso-statusbar-presence.po:msgstr "Invisible" | 10:17 |
| timeless_mbp | osso-statusbar-presence.po:msgid "pres_bd_skype_invisible" | 10:17 |
| timeless_mbp | osso-statusbar-presence.po:msgstr "Invisible" | 10:17 |
| timeless_mbp | osso-statusbar-presence.po:msgid "pres_bd_gtalk_invisible" | 10:17 |
| timeless_mbp | osso-statusbar-presence.po:msgstr "Invisible" | 10:17 |
| timeless_mbp | according to the localization text there's some support for invisible | 10:17 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders how that works | 10:17 | |
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| jaem | Stskeeps, is there any way to remix the FIASCO images for the N900? I realize there are licensing issues surrounding distribution, but it would be nice if I could provide a standard install for internal use, so I don't have to deal with everyone doing things different ways | 10:17 |
| Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: :| I remember a week ago or so I looked into profile switching through dbus but it's impossible because mission-control isn't implemented for telepathy on the n900. | 10:17 |
| Shapeshifter | it's totally crippled. half the telepathy dbus interface isn't there. | 10:18 |
| jaem | I just want to bundle a few things and preset some config | 10:18 |
| jaem | I could do it with a script applied to a fresh install, or a special metapackage, but this would be nicer in some ways | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | jaem: if it's inside a company, noone's going to care | 10:18 |
| timeless_mbp | jaem: flasher lets you disassemble and reassemble images | 10:18 |
| jaem | Stskeeps, well, it's not a company, but probably comparable for these purposes | 10:18 |
| timeless_mbp | once you've done that, you get jffs2 or ubifs images | 10:19 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, okay, that's what I was looking for | 10:19 |
| timeless_mbp | if you can mount them, you can rewrite them | 10:19 |
| jaem | awesome. | 10:19 |
| jaem | any links to docs on that? | 10:19 |
| timeless_mbp | ./flasher-3.5 —help ? :) | 10:19 |
| mece | wow. | 10:19 |
| jaem | hehe | 10:19 |
| mece | that is pretty cool. | 10:19 |
| timeless_mbp | oddly i think the help isn't that bad | 10:20 |
| * jaem nods | 10:20 | |
| timeless_mbp | maybe it's because it was written by engineers? | 10:20 |
| jaem | :) | 10:20 |
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| jaem | hmm... maybe I should go with a package-based setup route | 10:20 |
| blubbi | hi, anyone online who has some experience with evolution and python? I am try to generate a a list of phone numbers for each contact in my addressbook. But I am stuck at this point (the doku is very unpleasant) http://paste.pocoo.org/show/191455/ | 10:20 |
| blubbi | for econtact in contacts: numbers = econtact.get_property('phone') ; print numbers | 10:20 |
| timeless_mbp | (i know, any other company in the world, and having them as the writers would be a bad thing, but well...) | 10:20 |
| blubbi | I get a pointer... and I dont know how to address the data of the pointer | 10:20 |
| jaem | that way I could just deploy updates to everyone's phone if we had to alter things | 10:21 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, Stskeeps, another question | 10:21 |
| timeless_mbp | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/your-repo-here.list | 10:21 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, yes, I know how to do that | 10:21 |
| jaem | I'm trying to think of the best way to do it, since it obviously can't be public | 10:22 |
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| jaem | it's an internal project, some of which is/may be released as FOSS, but for now it's mostly under wraps | 10:22 |
| timeless_mbp | you could probably have a package which on first update rewrites that file with user+auth credentials | 10:23 |
| jaem | mm? | 10:23 |
| timeless_mbp | then if a user turns out to be evil, you turn them off at the server | 10:23 |
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| jaem | ah | 10:23 |
| jaem | does apt support credentials, though? | 10:23 |
| timeless_mbp | ham does :) | 10:23 |
| timeless_mbp | that's how we test things :) | 10:24 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, that would be good, then... what sort of authentication method does it use? | 10:24 |
| jaem | it sounds like I'd need the same sort of setup | 10:24 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 10:25 | |
| timeless_mbp | not certain, my guess is http basic auth (over https=ssl) | 10:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | Mh. I installed bash but I can't find it. where does it get installed to? | 10:28 |
| timeless_mbp | dpkg -l | 10:29 |
| timeless_mbp | err dpkg -L bash | 10:29 |
| Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: thanks | 10:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | >.> | 10:31 |
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| Shapeshifter | root@Nokia-N900-02-08:~/scripts# ./lounge -oa foo bar ----> rbash: ./lounge: restricted: cannot specify '/' in command names | 10:32 |
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| Shapeshifter | oh wait | 10:33 |
| Shapeshifter | rbash | 10:33 |
| Shapeshifter | but the /bin/bash isn't bash. it's ash. | 10:33 |
| Shapeshifter | and dpkg -L doesn't show anything else besides these two. | 10:33 |
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| mece | fuckin fuck. whaddayamean "error: SDL.h: No such file or directory" | 10:34 |
| mece | grr argh | 10:34 |
| Shapeshifter | and the stupid ash doesn't understand [[ $var =~ foo|bar ]] | 10:35 |
| arachnist | that's a bashism | 10:35 |
| arachnist | only zsh and bash understand that | 10:36 |
| arachnist | and bash used to use | 10:36 |
| arachnist | and bash used to use "[[ $var =~ 'foo|bar' ]]" | 10:36 |
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| Shapeshifter | sure it's a bashism. It's a bash script | 10:39 |
| Shapeshifter | If I wasn't writing a bash script, I'd be writing a sh script ;) | 10:39 |
| Shapeshifter | that's why I installed bash. but I can't find it | 10:40 |
| kunal | Is there any Emulator for Maemo ? | 10:40 |
| Shapeshifter | kunal: yes, any. | 10:40 |
| Shapeshifter | well almost | 10:40 |
| kunal | Shapeshifter: can you send me the link to it ? | 10:41 |
| Shapeshifter | kunal: you mean an "emulator" that runs you a maemo? I thought you meant emulators _for_ maemo. as in SNES, GBA. Anyway, I think you want the SDK. | 10:42 |
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| Shapeshifter | http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/Platforms/Maemo/ | 10:43 |
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| kunal | Shapeshifter: thank you ! | 10:43 |
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| * noobmonk3y yawns | 10:44 | |
| * noobmonk3y prods lcuk | 10:44 | |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 10:44 |
| rmrfchik | heh, there is a link to new N900 Guide on Nokia site. Highlites are: videchat, browser in portrait mode, mail widget | 10:44 |
| lcuk | apt-get update noobmonk3y | 10:44 |
| noobmonk3y | oooo | 10:44 |
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| noobmonk3y | me or you? | 10:45 |
| noobmonk3y | or the world? | 10:45 |
| crk | hello | 10:45 |
| noobmonk3y | hey crk | 10:45 |
| * noobmonk3y eeeeeeks, 12 mins till work and i'm still in bed..... | 10:45 | |
| jaem | rmrfchik, link? | 10:45 |
| rmrfchik | http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_N900_UG_en.pdf | 10:45 |
| jaem | thanks | 10:45 |
| crk | has anyone tried decoding a .264 file on N900 using gst-launch and dspvdec ? | 10:45 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 10:46 |
| crk | I can play .mp4 using playbin | 10:46 |
| crk | but not a simple .264 without any container | 10:46 |
| crk | any help is really appreciated | 10:46 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk (You talking bout the uk firmware update? - i almost got excited then....) - i'm on the global | 10:46 |
| Khertan | Hello All ! | 10:47 |
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| noobmonk3y | morning Khertan | 10:47 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 10:47 |
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| rmrfchik | and there is a topic in forum: New firmware update this morning in the UK 3.2010.02-8.201.1 | 10:48 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:48 |
| noobmonk3y | mornin Jaffa | 10:49 |
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| jaem | hehe... I just had FF murdering my CPU and X murdering my RAM... | 10:49 |
| jaem | and all I could think about was that I would have *noticed* on my old computer | 10:49 |
| jaem | and this laptop isn't even that great | 10:49 |
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| jaem | I suspect there is a bug in something | 10:49 |
| jaem | which seems to manifest when I have GMail open in FF lately | 10:50 |
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| jaem | but yeah... my dual-Atom desktop would have bombed if that had had happened | 10:50 |
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| Shapeshifter | :''''''( no curl in the repos | 10:51 |
| jaem | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/news.php?id=337 | 10:51 |
| jaem | hehe | 10:51 |
| jaem | they did a pretty good job with that | 10:51 |
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| mece | hmm... | 10:53 |
| mece | is SDL in maemo compiled without X11 support? | 10:54 |
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| Corsac | since maemo uses X11 it'd be kind-of weird imho | 10:54 |
| mece | you'd think | 10:54 |
| mece | I get a error: 'SDL_SysWMinfo' has no member named 'window' | 10:54 |
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| mortal | how many days does the n800 battery last? | 10:56 |
| mortal | I am thinking if I should sell my nokia e90 and get some small 3g phone with 900 MHz 3g support | 10:56 |
| mortal | and use the n800 for web | 10:56 |
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| jaem | mece, I've fiddled with an SDL app on Diablo without issue | 10:57 |
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| jaem | which reminds me... I really should take another look at it. I did a basic port for a bounty, and then kind of pigeon-holed it... which was not technically wrong, but I feel kind of bad at the state I left it in | 10:58 |
| rmrfchik | I created /home/var/lib; moved /var/lib/apt to /home/var/lib and symlinked it. Hope it will free rootfs a bit | 11:00 |
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| mece | jaem, naturally sdl works. | 11:00 |
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| infobot | -sjansen | 11:01 |
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| mece | ok so SDL_SysWMinfo is different from somerthing.. | 11:01 |
| mece | ok so this thing wants SDL_SysWMinfo info; info.window but it should be info.info.x11.window | 11:02 |
| mece | apparently. | 11:02 |
| iPeter-_ | Hi. I got N900 and maemo 5. Now i want to add bookmarklets but i dont have folder for bookmarklets. What to do? | 11:04 |
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| jaem | iPeter-_, are you just asking how to create bookmark folders, or something else? | 11:06 |
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| iPeter-_ | jaem: Kinda yes. I tought it is automatically there | 11:07 |
| Default | is it possible to have maemo 5 on n810? | 11:07 |
| Default | or no point cos of the difference in hw? | 11:07 |
| mece | Default, not really, no. | 11:07 |
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| mece | Default, work is being done to get something similar afaik | 11:08 |
| Default | cool, are there any testing versions that could be tried? | 11:09 |
| jaem | iPeter-_, also, what do you mean by "bookmarklets"? | 11:09 |
| jaem | Default, Stskeeps is the guy in charge of that | 11:09 |
| jaem | Default, yes, but nothing easy and ready to go | 11:09 |
| jaem | you're probably better off waiting unless you want to help with development | 11:10 |
| Default | well i dont mind helping out with deving :) | 11:10 |
| jaem | link coming up... | 11:10 |
| jaem | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 11:11 |
| jaem | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=551557 | 11:11 |
| jaem | if you want to help. then as I said, ping Stskeeps | 11:11 |
| Default | oh yes, ive read about mer | 11:11 |
| jaem | on #mer | 11:11 |
| jaem | yeah, read the forum thread | 11:11 |
| jaem | things have changed | 11:11 |
| Default | ok | 11:12 |
| Default | thanks :) | 11:12 |
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| cpm | Hello, my N900 won't update OTA, despite having 60.5MB in rootfs free. If I use the PC updater instead, will I lose settings / installed packages / files? Thanks. | 11:38 |
| bilboed-pi | cpm, you can back them up with the backup tool | 11:41 |
| bilboed-pi | backup to sdcard, flash from computer, re-install backup when it's rebooted | 11:41 |
| jaem | cpm, what's the error it's giving you? | 11:42 |
| jaem | also, are you doing this through HAM? | 11:42 |
| jaem | App Manager, that is | 11:42 |
| rmrfchik | i don't see any updates :( | 11:43 |
| cpm | Yes, app manager, click the update, continue button, "To update your device to this version of the operating system you must use the Nokia software update application on your PC" | 11:43 |
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| cpm | this is the generic uk version of 1.1.1 which was released yesterday/today. | 11:43 |
| timeless_mbp | cpm: wow, we released 1.1.1 for uk? | 11:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | cpm: you can try asking apt-get to do the update | 11:44 |
| cpm | yes, have a look at active topics column on the right of talk.maemo.org | 11:44 |
| timeless_mbp | there's probably a wiki page that covers pitfalls and has suggestions | 11:44 |
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| cpm | Reading around, it seems the suggestion is to create rootfs space, but someone claims to have upgraded with 45MB, whereas I have 60MB | 11:46 |
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| cpm | What's the package name to do it via apt-get? | 11:46 |
| cpm | battery's fully charged, have rebooted phone (and tried taking battery out too) | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get clean is prolly a good thing | 11:47 |
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| cpm | sorry, forgot to say I've already done an apt-get clean too. | 11:47 |
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| mece | cpm, you have conflicting packages. | 11:49 |
| mece | cpm, if there were not enough room it would say that there's not enough roo, | 11:50 |
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| mece | m | 11:50 |
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| cpm | "apt-get upgrade" lists 56 packages that can be upgraded - is doing this a good idea? | 11:52 |
| SpeedEvil | woo! | 11:52 |
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| mece | cpm, don't do that | 11:52 |
| SpeedEvil | A ssu! | 11:52 |
| * SpeedEvil is overjoyed! | 11:52 | |
| mece | SpeedEvil, que? | 11:52 |
| SpeedEvil | s/overjoyed/slightly mollified to the extent of not hunting down and drenching in manure the perpetrators of the delay./ | 11:53 |
| mece | cpm, I think it was some Qt packages that were conflicting. I'm not sure. | 11:53 |
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| mece | cpm, openarena and ioquake3 are conflicting for example. I had to remove those to install OTA. | 11:56 |
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| cpm | I did have openarena but have removed it, packges with qt in their names seem to be version 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5 | 11:58 |
| * SpeedEvil goes into the garden to prepare to compost the unused manure. | 11:58 | |
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| mece | cpm, those are the conflicting ones. There's a list. But I haven't found it yet. | 11:59 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm 'operation failed' banner at the start - but it's carrying on. | 11:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | i think my localization actually points to the page w/ the list :) | 12:00 |
| * timeless_mbp should check | 12:00 | |
| timeless_mbp | "Can't install this system update over the air. " | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | "See http://wiki.maemo.org/Cannot_install_firmware_update " | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | "for more information. Connect to a PC with a USB cable and " | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | "use Nokia PC Suite or Nokia Software Update." | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | "You should have a backup to keep your packages and settings." | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | that lists 2 at the bottom | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | could someone add the list of the Qt evils there? | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, that string doesn't say what using those apps would do... | 12:02 |
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| * timeless_mbp fixes | 12:02 | |
| SpeedEvil | monkeys fly out of the earphone socket. | 12:03 |
| mece | also, you can, if you're daring, just go apt-get dist-upgrade | 12:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh wow - they updated the starting graphic - it's now Mr Hands. | 12:04 |
| mece | LOL | 12:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | cpm: hey | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | before you fix your system | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | could you try installing my localization? | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd like to know how it feels when you get those can't update messages | 12:05 |
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| jaem | timeless_mbp, I initially read that as "I'd like to know how it feels when you can't get those update messages", and, forgetting that it was an english localization pack, thought "you jerk!" :P | 12:07 |
| jaem | "before you fix things, let me revel in your confusion over the brokenness!" | 12:07 |
| jaem | ;) | 12:07 |
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| * jaem slaps noobmonk3y with a trout while his eyes are closed | 12:09 | |
| noobmonk3y | wohooooooooooooooooooo! | 12:09 |
| Arif_ | ~bite noobmonk3y | 12:09 |
| * infobot takes a big bite out of noobmonk3y's jugular vein | 12:09 | |
| noobmonk3y | thats damn quick trout slapping! | 12:09 |
| * noobmonk3y giggles | 12:09 | |
| noobmonk3y | violent bunch this morning :D | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | nah, it's afternoon already :) | 12:10 |
| noobmonk3y | Arif_: - shouldn't be studying, or learning or something useful? ;) | 12:10 |
| noobmonk3y | lol timeless_mbp | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | they get violent at feeding time | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | they're sharks... | 12:10 |
| noobmonk3y | also, very good point | 12:10 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, no, no, no... that's NetBSD you're thinking of, not Maemo | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, did cpm run away? | 12:10 |
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| Arif_ | usewhat? | 12:12 |
| Arif_ | :P | 12:12 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 12:13 |
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| jaem | it's true... NetBSD installations *are* the leading cause of shark attacks | 12:14 |
| jaem | you can't argue with Randall Munroe | 12:14 |
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| noobmonk3y | brb | 12:19 |
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| cpm | sorry, didn't intentionally run away, got disconnected. I did have libqt4-phonon installed (when I tried out freoffice) as referenced at http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting, but have removed it along with everything else freoffice related. | 12:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | cpm: so | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're still in the unhappy state | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | could i ask you to try my localization? | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | i want to know how it feels when you get those errors | 12:44 |
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| cpm | timeless_mbp: what's it invoke? | 12:46 |
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| jaem | timeless_mbp, sorry, I may have already asked, but do you have a link to info on what you were talking about regarding auth in HAM? | 12:48 |
| ccooke | Morning, all | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | not handy | 12:49 |
| jaem | I'd like to got talk to my prof about that and some other things tomorrow, and I'd like to know what I'm talking about | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | and i need to book a flight, hotel and other stuff | 12:49 |
| jaem | ha - sure, then | 12:49 |
| jaem | sorry | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i think you can find the commit that adds the stuff in ham's repo | 12:49 |
| jaem | great, thanks | 12:49 |
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| rmrfchik | is there way to sey SMS validity period? | 12:55 |
| rmrfchik | to set | 12:55 |
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| TomaszD | rmrfchik, no | 12:58 |
| * noobmonk3y has just received a 9 page email.... omfg essay! | 12:59 | |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y, now, select all, increase font size to 72 | 13:01 |
| lcuk | hit print | 13:01 |
| lcuk | stick it in a box | 13:01 |
| lcuk | send box back to recipient | 13:01 |
| * noobmonk3y just tried that... thats kinda scary! | 13:01 | |
| noobmonk3y | well without the print | 13:01 |
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| noobmonk3y | Gonna reply and set my font to white pn a white background... lets see how clever this guy is? :D | 13:02 |
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| hrw | morning | 13:03 |
| noobmonk3y | moooooaning | 13:03 |
| RST38h | moorning | 13:03 |
| SpeedEvil | good moaning. | 13:03 |
| noobmonk3y | good moaning v bad moanings..... lol | 13:05 |
| hrw | so sygic finally relesed their navi for maemo | 13:07 |
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| noobmonk3y | ooo does it work? | 13:09 |
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| hrw | no idea - no demo, only purchase | 13:09 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol | 13:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw . . . awesome. | 13:11 |
| noobmonk3y | not tried it yet, but then the tomtom still has a use :D | 13:12 |
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| hrw | so far I am staying with tomtom too | 13:14 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 13:14 |
| noobmonk3y | have to say my n900 has a better battery life then the tomtom though - tis a close battle ;) | 13:15 |
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| hrw | noobmonk3y: I use tomtom in car so battery life does not matter | 13:18 |
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| noobmonk3y | good point hrw - i have mine in the car - but not plummed in, so use the cigarette lighter charger thingy | 13:22 |
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| hrw | noobmonk3y: I do not have 'in-car' tomtom | 13:29 |
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| thopiekar | hi | 13:55 |
| thopiekar | what happens when I execute python in maemo5's builder? | 13:56 |
| thopiekar | will I execute sb's python like in diablo? | 13:56 |
| lizardo | thopiekar: if you call just "python", yes. To avoid that, call "python2.5" explicitely | 13:56 |
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| thopiekar | lizardo: is python2.5 also used on maemo5? I thought it would be the time to use a newer python on a newer device.. :P | 14:01 |
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| lizardo | thopiekar: packaging problems prevented from puttting 2.6 for Maemo 5 launch, now it is too late to introduce it without breaking existing applications, and benefits do not justify the risks (plus the horrible /opt situation) expect that to change for Maemo 6, though | 14:06 |
| thopiekar | better for me.. that makes it easier to make packages for canola that switch between maemo and desktop environments.. | 14:08 |
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| * thopiekar is now working on desktop/maemo compatible packages.. | 14:08 | |
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| tekonivel | no chance of vcs/ics -calendar files in Maemo calendar :( | 14:13 |
| tekonivel | hopefully in the future though | 14:13 |
| tekonivel | this is certainly a feature is miss from my N95 | 14:13 |
| tekonivel | all participants having to type in the data for a meeting is /sssooooo/ last season :^) | 14:14 |
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| TomaszD | tekonivel, there should be some .ics related news when it comes to PR1.2 | 14:14 |
| TomaszD | although I'm not 100% certain | 14:15 |
| TomaszD | get the PDF manual, it describes all the new PR1.2 features | 14:15 |
| tekonivel | TomaszD: i sure hope | 14:15 |
| tekonivel | TomaszD: will do, thanks for the tip | 14:15 |
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| crashanddie | yo | 14:20 |
| crashanddie | wassup bitches? | 14:20 |
| tekonivel | TomaszD: you don't have the url to the manual at hand, per chance? | 14:20 |
| tekonivel | crashanddie: just pimpin' | 14:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, yo. | 14:20 |
| crashanddie | weather in London sucks | 14:21 |
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| TomaszD | tekonivel, there you go http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_N900_UG_en.pdf | 14:22 |
| TomaszD | all the info you need, group chat support, Internet video calls, night mode for camera, etc. | 14:23 |
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| TomaszD | tekonivel, "You can import downloaded or local files with the .ics file | 14:24 |
| TomaszD | extension to your calendar." | 14:24 |
| TomaszD | not sure if that's what you need or this is already present in current firmware | 14:25 |
| tekonivel | TomaszD: thanks for the link | 14:25 |
| TomaszD | np | 14:26 |
| tekonivel | yeah ics -files can be imported (page 104) | 14:27 |
| TomaszD | well, you have to wait a while for the new firmware then | 14:27 |
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| TomaszD | it's funny how I suggested replacing the Now Playing "animated equalizer" icon with a Play icon in the Media Player, and they did (page 92) | 14:28 |
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| TomaszD | the only disappointing thing is no voice turn-by-turn navigation, and maybe... perhaps... MMS | 14:30 |
| pupnik | MM$ | 14:30 |
| Corsac | TomaszD: manual was updated for 1.2? | 14:30 |
| TomaszD | Corsac, oh yeah | 14:31 |
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| TomaszD | the SDK got updated, today | 14:32 |
| TigerTael | sweet | 14:32 |
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| Corsac | nice | 14:32 |
| Corsac | so we can expect 1.2 within a week? | 14:32 |
| TomaszD | Personally I'm skeptical, but it would be nice. | 14:33 |
| * tekonivel is left wondering if exporting (let alone emailing) single ics/vcs files from the ccalendear will be available in PR1.2... | 14:33 | |
| TomaszD | here's a compiled list of changes taken from the manual http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=572648&postcount=330 | 14:33 |
| Corsac | thanjs | 14:34 |
| Corsac | k | 14:34 |
| Anssi__ | is there qt 4.7 in 1.2? | 14:34 |
| TomaszD | Anssi__, there will be in extras-devel | 14:34 |
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| Anssi__ | ok | 14:34 |
| Anssi__ | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/03/17/experimental-qt-47-packages-for-the-n900/ | 14:34 |
| Anssi__ | you are right, i remembered wrongly | 14:35 |
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| mortal | is it possible to have an external usb audio in n800? | 14:35 |
| TomaszD | mortal, no, no host mode support unfortunately | 14:35 |
| TomaszD | oh | 14:36 |
| TomaszD | n800 | 14:36 |
| TomaszD | I read n900 :) | 14:36 |
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| TomaszD | mortal, I don't think the default kernel has USB audio class driver | 14:37 |
| TomaszD | I would say that it's possible with much tinkering | 14:37 |
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| mortal | it would be nice to use the n800 as a radio modem | 14:38 |
| mortal | for digital signalling on the radio bands | 14:38 |
| tekonivel | no 3g video in the works, it seems. i wonder what video-enabled voip-services exist, that anyone i know is using... can't think of any. Well Skype perhaps | 14:38 |
| ShadowJK | 14:38 | |
| ShadowJK | it already for incoming calls | 14:38 |
| ShadowJK | but no way to start an outgoing video call over googletalk | 14:38 |
| TomaszD | tekonivel, I think the video-enabled Internet call is only applicable to Google Talk | 14:38 |
| TomaszD | I seriously doubt it will work for Skype | 14:39 |
| tekonivel | ShadowJK: none of the people i know in real life (ie. outside of n900-fandom) uses that | 14:39 |
| tekonivel | too bad | 14:39 |
| tekonivel | whatever... | 14:39 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know anyone who has even heard of 3g video calls either, so :) | 14:39 |
| tekonivel | ShadowJK: lol true that too. but i have more friends with 3g+enable phone tan ppl with Google Talk with video on their phone | 14:40 |
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| TomaszD | yep, VoIP video calls is what the manual says, technically Skype is also VoIP, but... | 14:43 |
| TomaszD | I say Jabber+jingle (gtalk) only | 14:43 |
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| hrw | ~curse igor stoppa and rest of nokia crap team | 14:47 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, igor stoppa and rest of nokia crap team ! | 14:47 |
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| Stskeeps | hrw: what'd they do now? | 14:47 |
| ptl | can I change the password of user 'user' without any consequences to the device? | 14:48 |
| ptl | I changed the root password | 14:48 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: usual stuff - meego is open and n900 will run it blebleble | 14:48 |
| hrw | standard crap | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: well, yes | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | there's probably going to be hardware support repositories just like in Mer, the current embedded world can't get rid of it's blobs | 14:49 |
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| Stskeeps | i mean, if SGX libs and BME would be redistributable.. | 14:50 |
| ShadowJK | nor PC world :) | 14:50 |
| openstandards | why won't it let me update maemo 5 via the repos | 14:50 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: hell will freeze, pigs will fly etc when nokia will release linux powered device which will not need closed stuff for basic x11 on battery with networking | 14:50 |
| openstandards | its asking me to use the nokia software suite | 14:51 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: sgx have better license then bme I think | 14:51 |
| ShadowJK | openstandards, how much free space? got ioquake installed? | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: i personally don't care if it has no practical consequences for me in terms of development.. there can be a BME blob just fine from my point of view | 14:51 |
| openstandards | ShadowJK, yea i do | 14:51 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: I can download sgx tarballs and create packages from them. Koen Kooi got lot of sgx handling sorted on OE and TI sides | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: but can you distribute those packages? :P | 14:52 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: BME on glibc or uclibc systems? I do not like big static binary | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | did you ask nokia for a uclibc bme? | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | or me, for that sake, so i can push that upstream | 14:53 |
| hrw | I can build uclibc system for any (OE supported) device with OE | 14:53 |
| janneg | btw are the kernel sources for the n900 published in a useful format. the mega patch from the source deb is not | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | janneg: not really a proper usable format | 14:53 |
| hrw | janneg: thats the only source | 14:53 |
| hrw | janneg: did not you forgot that this is nokia? they do only some parts in open way | 14:53 |
| hrw | nokia kernel is semi-open. sources are open, development is closed | 14:54 |
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| ptl | hrw: aren't you a little to negative about nokia? | 14:57 |
| ptl | s/ to / too / | 14:57 |
| infobot | ptl meant: hrw: aren't you a little too negative about nokia? | 14:57 |
| ynezz | seems so :) | 14:57 |
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| TomaszD | I haven't seen hrw say one positive thing since I've been here | 14:58 |
| hrw | ptl: n900 is my 3rd tablet from nokia - none of them works good without closed components | 14:59 |
| TomaszD | it's like he's punishing himself | 14:59 |
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| openstandards | hrw, if you want such an open device you'll need to get yourself a neo freerunner | 14:59 |
| hrw | TomaszD: from time to time I am saying positive things about software and hardware | 14:59 |
| hrw | openstandards: I have 2 neo1973 | 14:59 |
| ptl | 2??? | 15:00 |
| hrw | yes, 2 | 15:00 |
| openstandards | and which is better? | 15:00 |
| ptl | that's what I call dedication | 15:00 |
| hrw | gta01bv3 and gta01bv4 | 15:00 |
| TomaszD | hrw, it's just that... you act as if someone is forcing you to be here | 15:00 |
| ptl | Nokia needs critics | 15:00 |
| ptl | it's just that hrw puts the whole scenario in such an... unsolvable way :( | 15:01 |
| ptl | I'd like that not to be true | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: yay :-S http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=573276&postcount=86 | 15:01 |
| TomaszD | it's all or nothing for hrw, it would seem | 15:01 |
| ynezz | what is preventing from reverse engineer the bme stuff? | 15:01 |
| ynezz | pants in fire? :p | 15:01 |
| hrw | ynezz: cost of device if something goes wrong | 15:02 |
| ynezz | you can have the bettery outside | 15:02 |
| ynezz | that's not the problem | 15:03 |
| openstandards | hrw, can't you insure it and if anything goes wrong drop it in water? :D | 15:03 |
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| ynezz | maybe buying it to someone skilled enough to reverse it | 15:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there won't be anything to go wrong | 15:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hrw: the main problem is we don't (yet?) know what's the battery charger chip labeled N1140 | 15:05 |
| TomaszD | hrw, what would you do if you had all the components you needed open and properly licensed to your liking? Put a worse distribution on the device? | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | but we know there's N1130 BQ27200 battery monitor | 15:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (well we hope that's the actual truth) | 15:07 |
| janneg | TomaszD: s/worse/other/ | 15:07 |
| TomaszD | janneg, a linux phone distribution, there is no better than maemo 5. So my point stands. The freerunner distros are laughable in comparison. | 15:08 |
| hrw | TomaszD: if nokia will release bme for 770/n8x0 then I will be able to make use of them | 15:08 |
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| openstandards | DocScrutinizer, why is the new software update telling me to connect it via usb and update that way | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw: so you can do quite educated guess about how to read out actual battery charging and other ststes | 15:09 |
| TomaszD | hrw, how, have you you been helping the Mer effort at all or making something yourself? | 15:09 |
| hrw | TomaszD: 770 runs os2006 with 2.6.16 kernel - it is more then obsolete now. | 15:09 |
| czr_ | damn I feel dirty. after all these years, I've enternet another bug in the bugzilla. I feel like godfather. | 15:09 |
| TomaszD | hrw, the hardware is also more than obsolete, what better use would you have for it if you had the components open? | 15:09 |
| hrw | TomaszD: I did lot of testing of Poky Linux on 770/n8x0, worked on getting Maemo and Poky Linux working in N8x0 qemu emulation | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | openstandards: please refer to wiki. I don't know a bit more than what's written there | 15:10 |
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| TomaszD | well we can end this now, I've never even heard of Poky Linux | 15:10 |
| hrw | TomaszD: obsolete from normal user point of view. | 15:10 |
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| openstandards | ok thanks DocScrutinizer :) | 15:10 |
| hrw | TomaszD: did you tried embedded linux development at all? or rather just use consumer electronics devices? | 15:11 |
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| hrw | I work with different ARM devices for 6 years now | 15:11 |
| TomaszD | hrw, the latter | 15:11 |
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| Elvaron | i dont suppose texrat is around here? | 15:12 |
| hrw | developer boards, prototypes, consumer electronics devices, phones, palmtops, tablets, industrial cameras, ebook readers | 15:12 |
| TomaszD | hrw, so there are no satisfying arm devices for linux development? or are you trying to make something a viable platform that isn't meant to be one? | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | tomaw notice is funny. For sure won't reach the recipients | 15:12 |
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| hrw | DocScrutinizer: yep | 15:12 |
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| ShadowJK | Elvaron, rarely | 15:13 |
| Elvaron | i see | 15:13 |
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| hrw | TomaszD: I have friends which use 6 years old linux palmtops for different wifi related things - they would be happy to be able to upgrade from zaurus to n810 when it would run their system | 15:13 |
| Elvaron | can anyone explain to me what the expression "you're in the ballpark" means ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43519&page=8 second to last post, by texrat) ? | 15:14 |
| hrw | and no, using x86 laptops/netbooks is not an option | 15:14 |
| pupnik | it is an idiom for 'you are close to correct' | 15:14 |
| hrw | TomaszD: but I prefer to end this talk as we have different uses | 15:14 |
| czr_ | Elvaron, "you're close (to the solution/problem)" | 15:14 |
| Elvaron | huh | 15:15 |
| TomaszD | hrw, ok. So maybe, just maybe... Nokias are not a good platform and you should look for something else rather than complain. Or complain where it matters, to Nokia, not in a blog or here | 15:15 |
| TomaszD | but I guess... yes, we can end this. | 15:15 |
| Elvaron | well thanks, i thought he was somehow insulting me in a smart way that i dont get... but okay :) | 15:15 |
| openstandards | hrw, whats wrong with the neo1973? | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL# | 15:15 |
| hrw | openstandards: slow, no wifi | 15:15 |
| TomaszD | ...no wifi? | 15:16 |
| openstandards | damn thats sucky | 15:16 |
| TomaszD | the freerunner doesn't have wifi? | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | thomaz: openstandards: but it got stereo speakers ;-P | 15:16 |
| openstandards | lmao | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | thomaz: FR has | 15:16 |
| TomaszD | I guess I'm thomaz now lol | 15:16 |
| hrw | TomaszD: freerunner != neo1973 | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | but only mono speakers due to that | 15:17 |
| TomaszD | oh, didn't realize | 15:17 |
| hrw | TomaszD: I know that for most of people openmoko == openmoko neo freerunner (aka gta02) | 15:17 |
| hrw | TomaszD: but there was gta01 (neo1973) first | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for even more Neo = FR | 15:17 |
| hrw | yep | 15:17 |
| TomaszD | well I'll have a FR next week hopefully, fix it and then I'll judge :) | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | while correct names are Neo FreeRunner (GTA02) and Neo 1973 (GTA01) | 15:18 |
| mortal | how long will the battery last on n800 when surfing with wifi and with bluetooth? | 15:18 |
| mortal | continuous | 15:18 |
| hrw | TomaszD: and I was one of 50 developers from so called 'phase0' which got devices before they were available on market | 15:18 |
| TomaszD | hrw, I know, I read your blog and was jelous at the time | 15:18 |
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| hrw | TomaszD: I can borrow you gta01bv3 if you want to play with it | 15:19 |
| TomaszD | seemed like a neat idea, but rather than focusing on one good distro, things got fragmented as usual | 15:19 |
| czr_ | btw, has anyone experienced network type misdetection with N900? mine detects a WPA/WPA2 network as WEP (authentication is pretty much impossible for obvious reasons). | 15:19 |
| TomaszD | hrw, no thanks, I'll get one on lease from Stskeeps next week | 15:19 |
| hrw | TomaszD: my gta01bv4 is now in shr developer hands | 15:19 |
| ShadowJK | mortal, about 6-8 hours of surfing | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, I knew it | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: heretic!!!! | 15:20 |
| mortal | ShadowJK: great | 15:20 |
| TomaszD | DocScrutinizer, don't worry, I'll try not to destroy it while fixing the USB receptacle :P | 15:20 |
| hrw | anyway time to get back to work | 15:20 |
| hrw | bug 2.0 (omap3 based) waits for tweaks | 15:21 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2 Static linking under SDK-PC does not work | 15:21 |
| TomaszD | heh | 15:21 |
| TomaszD | bug 1 | 15:21 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it | 15:21 |
| hrw | ;D | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so obvious next step: bug #0 | 15:22 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=0 could not be retrieved: InvalidBugId | 15:22 |
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| tybollt | lala? | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't you think we'll find a buffer OV in pOVbot? | 15:23 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i'm surprised i haven't been burnt on a stake yet | 15:26 |
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| TomaszD | we're all secretly gathering torches | 15:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: you've read the battery FAQ carefully, not to send a totally borked device to thomaz ? | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp the part about not storing deep discharged cells | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~batteryfaq | 15:30 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers | 15:30 |
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| cos^ | test | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: it is also quite borked and he isn't paying for it | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:31 |
| mortal | does the n800 power off the sdhc slots when there is no reading/writing | 15:32 |
| cos^ | great, this is read-write again | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | no reason to kill the LiIon | 15:32 |
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| cos^ | does anyone know how to add the bugtracker link into a package on maemo.org? | 15:32 |
| cos^ | my package has been demoted because of this but no one knows how and where to add the link | 15:33 |
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| nidO | http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Bugtracker_location | 15:34 |
| cos^ | thanks | 15:35 |
| ShadowJK | mortal, yes | 15:36 |
| ShadowJK | or atleast it reduces voltage to them, | 15:36 |
| mortal | how long will the battery last when used as an mp3 player | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | At least 4 hours. | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Some were saying 18 | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't used it more than 4 | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: | 15:38 |
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| ShadowJK | i guess 4 hours if you're streaming music over wifi | 15:38 |
| * SpeedEvil is listening to Prodigy. | 15:38 | |
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| ShadowJK | longer from sd | 15:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - 3h today - and battery showing at >75%. | 15:39 |
| * SpeedEvil wants a diesel power cell. | 15:39 | |
| ShadowJK | You're on N900 though, right | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems without wifi/GPRS 6 h is the minimum you get, even with high CPU load | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry - contextfail | 15:39 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, just CPU alone doesn't use much power | 15:39 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: why not hydrogen fuel cells? | 15:39 |
| ShadowJK | diesel is easier to get | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | np: Prodigy - Diesel Power. | 15:40 |
| tybollt | ShadowJK: yes | 15:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: hydrogen is so hard to carry in a bottle | 15:40 |
| nidO | nuclear batteries needed tbh. | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: naah - it's easy. | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: carrying it without the oxygen is hard. | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | in low qty yes | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 15:41 |
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| tybollt | hence we need submersible N900s | 15:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: a general all time thank you for the regular mental inspiration and laughs | 15:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: hope your weather allows you to open up the window to get a more comfy temp atm | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN | 15:45 |
| infobot | Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2010.03.19 1320 UTC; Dew Point: 37 F (3 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.12 in. Hg (1020 hPa); Relative Humidity: 44%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 59 F (15 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the WSW (240 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT) | 15:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 15:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer:12.5c inside - positively balmy | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Though I've been out digging much of the day. | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/ - extending lawn | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | moving about 3 tons of soil | 15:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yay | 15:49 |
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| tybollt | SpeedEvil: meh, you did NOT dig throught the cables? How dissapointing :) | 15:57 |
| tybollt | as an admin dealing w/ some amount of coms I usually hear that as the explanation of why a circuit went down :S | 15:58 |
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| Elvaron | SpeedEvil: that place does not look inhabitable to be honest | 15:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | tybollt: I dug ducts for the cables. there are no cables yet. | 16:04 |
| tybollt | very nice and suare... | 16:05 |
| tybollt | square | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Out of the lounge window - last year. | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/3586019040/ | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: huh? | 16:06 |
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| crashanddie | * rhian_devil Visit us at network chat and get bots + hosting special and free, /server IRC.......Net | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeek | 16:07 |
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| lcukn900 | failnet | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | foonet? | 16:12 |
| ShadowJK | I thought foonet was dead | 16:12 |
| w00t | failnet is fail | 16:12 |
| tybollt | no that meme is dead | 16:12 |
| lcukn900 | lol w00t | 16:13 |
| lcukn900 | virgin just got laid i think | 16:13 |
| ShadowJK | dea dmeme is dead | 16:13 |
| burchr | lol | 16:13 |
| burchr | lcukn900: for once, karoo is more reliable than someone else! | 16:13 |
| lcukn900 | lol | 16:13 |
| lcukn900 | this is quite rare for home | 16:13 |
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| Appiah | naaaaaaaw | 16:25 |
| tybollt | pink pwnies for everyone! | 16:25 |
| lcuk | hey crashanddie hows you | 16:26 |
| lcuk | did i see you were back in the uk | 16:26 |
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| crashanddie | yup | 16:27 |
| crashanddie | leaving tonight | 16:27 |
| lcuk | where to next? | 16:27 |
| lcuk | you are running out of continents you are allowed into | 16:28 |
| Hydroxide | heh | 16:28 |
| Elvaron | thats the price you pay for being a member of the Super Adventure Club | 16:28 |
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| lcuk | didnt you get kicked out of antartica for innapropriate behaviour with a penguin? | 16:28 |
| Elvaron | did he use them as a slide? | 16:29 |
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| lcuk | from what i heard whatever it was caused every single one to walk funny | 16:30 |
| Elvaron | so how do arctic penguins walk then? bored and on ritalin? | 16:31 |
| phellarv | Do walk like they've had a cavity search. | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: how's your eye? | 16:35 |
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| crashanddie | perfect | 16:35 |
| crashanddie | all fixed | 16:36 |
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| crashanddie | got back up to 10/10 | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | good :-) | 16:37 |
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| rmrfchik | i wonder, is there way to have custom phone types? | 16:39 |
| tybollt | 'types'? | 16:40 |
| rmrfchik | yes | 16:40 |
| tybollt | elaborate | 16:40 |
| rmrfchik | not those "mobile, work" | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr?? | 16:40 |
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| rmrfchik | Suppose you often move to other country. So, you buy a SIM card (ROUMING sucks!) | 16:41 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: I think he means "profiles" | 16:41 |
| rmrfchik | No | 16:41 |
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| rmrfchik | I mean phone types in Contatcs | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 16:41 |
| nidO | isnt 6 enough? | 16:41 |
| rmrfchik | And now you have 2 mobile phones | 16:41 |
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| rmrfchik | nidO: i'm not talking about a count, i'm talking about labels | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think contacts needs custom user defined fields | 16:42 |
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| rmrfchik | I want to label "Mobile phone in USA" and "Mobile phone in Russia" | 16:42 |
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| tybollt | uhoh... rmrfchik is a spy! | 16:43 |
| rmrfchik | why? | 16:43 |
| rmrfchik | this is a killer feature in 1.2? ;) | 16:43 |
| nidO | I would say the answer is just a contact called "Bob America" and "Bob Russia" | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | a decent contacts app should have aribrary number of filedtype,filedlabel,value tupels, user definable | 16:43 |
| tybollt | sure | 16:43 |
| rmrfchik | nidO: in maemo??? at last we have a chance to have 1 contact for ALL contact types! | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/filed/field/g | 16:44 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: a decent contacts app should have aribrary number of fieldtype,fieldlabel,value tupels, user definable | 16:44 |
| nidO | actually I find it cripplingly limited for that, purely because if you have a contact with more than one number, the phone app doesnt tell you which bloody one's calling. | 16:44 |
| nidO | but your problem like mine has a workaround, by separating contacts :) | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: known bug | 16:45 |
| rmrfchik | tybollt: what is about me being spy? | 16:45 |
| rmrfchik | ;) | 16:45 |
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| nidO | in my case I need to keep different numbers for the same person as separate contacts anyway so the voice dialling on my handsfree kit recognises them properly | 16:46 |
| tybollt | rmrfchik: russia and us... traveling between the two... :) | 16:47 |
| rmrfchik | heh | 16:47 |
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| rmrfchik | in fact, my mother is traveling between home city and my grandma city ;) | 16:48 |
| nidO | so its a whole sleeper cell family | 16:48 |
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| rmrfchik | and I have "mobile phone, home phone, other mobile phone, work phone"... | 16:48 |
| pupnik_ | my contacts app lets me add anything i want | 16:49 |
| pupnik_ | (vi) | 16:49 |
| rmrfchik | yes, vi is very powerful app. | 16:50 |
| thresh | it allows you to destroy everything and to beep. | 16:50 |
| pupnik_ | the more general-purpose your app, the closer it gets to ... | 16:50 |
| dmj726_n900 | time for obligatory vi/emacs war! | 16:51 |
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| Appiah | dmj726_n900: oh noes | 16:51 |
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| * nidO smacks everyone with a nano manpage | 16:51 | |
| Appiah | no flamewars please | 16:51 |
| Appiah | nidO: pfft nano : | 16:51 |
| Appiah | :D | 16:52 |
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| dmj726_n900 | nah, i wouldn't do that | 16:52 |
| rmrfchik | dmj726_n900: cmon.. what war? how emacs can be in var with vi? | 16:52 |
| rmrfchik | this overbloat operating system has no even good editor | 16:52 |
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| dmj726_n900 | are you on windows? | 16:52 |
| rmrfchik | i'm talking about emacs | 16:52 |
| dmj726_n900 | lol | 16:53 |
| dmj726_n900 | vi for emacs? | 16:53 |
| rmrfchik | war... the war is over. and the winner is vim.sf.net | 16:53 |
| rmrfchik | go, grab the copy | 16:53 |
| * pupnik_ unpacks his BSD-vi musket | 16:54 | |
| dmj726_n900 | hopefully i will get time to code more of my python talking gui today. | 16:55 |
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| * RST38h unleashes PICO on unsuspectng rmrfchik | 16:58 | |
| crashanddie | lcukn900: I'm flying to Dubai, then to OZ | 16:59 |
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| crashanddie | lcukn900: and no, I didn't touch the penguins, that was GeneralAntilles | 17:00 |
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| * pupnik_ ponders that travel budget | 17:03 | |
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| kunal | VDVsx: are you mentoring a project for gsoc ? | 17:07 |
| VDVsx | kunal, probably, I'm the org admin | 17:08 |
| dmj726_n900 | i'm thinking of applying for gsoc | 17:09 |
| VDVsx | it's a good learning experience + $5000 and goodies :D | 17:09 |
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| dmj726_n900 | yep | 17:09 |
| kunal | VDVsx: so what exactly you are proposing, like use some libraries of "Okular" ? | 17:09 |
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| crashanddie | VDVsx: you sold out | 17:10 |
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| crashanddie | VDVsx: everything for the monies eh | 17:10 |
| VDVsx | crashanddie, lol, that money is for the students :) | 17:10 |
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| dmj726_n900 | I don't mind being paid for writing software I already want to write. :) | 17:11 |
| VDVsx | kunal, that ideas was not proposed by myself, but I'm one of the possible mentors | 17:11 |
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| VDVsx | okular is just a example | 17:11 |
| VDVsx | is up to the student to research the best options | 17:12 |
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| kunal | i am willing to take part, i am just trying to explore as to what idea will suit me the best. | 17:12 |
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| kunal | i searcher for mentors for other project, but cudnt find any.. | 17:13 |
| dmj726_n900 | I have an idea that's not on the list but may involve reading ebooks as one of its functions. | 17:13 |
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| dmj726_n900 | basically making the n900 a really powerful accessiblity tool. | 17:14 |
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| VDVsx | kunal, okular probably is very tied to the KDE libs, that can be a issue | 17:15 |
| VDVsx | kunal, the organizations are still organizing the mentors/ideas is application period only open in the end of the month, so that's normal :) | 17:16 |
| VDVsx | s/is application/the application/ | 17:16 |
| infobot | VDVsx meant: kunal, the organizations are still organizing the mentors/ideas the application period only open in the end of the month, so that's normal :) | 17:16 |
| kunal | but i am worried if people start early and i am left behind | 17:17 |
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| kunal | its my first time with open source, so i need to catch up with people already having experience | 17:18 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.counterpunch.org/~blinux/emacspeak_intro.html dmj726_n900 seen this? | 17:18 |
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| Coke | I get no desktop in my Xephyr window when running af-sb-init.sh. This is my ouput http://pastie.org/877199 Any ideas? | 17:19 |
| dmj726_n900 | pupnik: no i hadn't | 17:20 |
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| dmj726_n900 | Is emacspeak still used? It appears to not be updated since 98 | 17:22 |
| pgas | http://emacspeak.sourceforge.net/releases/release-31.0.html | 17:23 |
| dmj726_n900 | ok | 17:24 |
| dmj726_n900 | good news | 17:24 |
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| rmrfchik | wazzup? | 17:25 |
| rmrfchik | did i missed something? | 17:25 |
| RST38h | rmrfchik: You have been smothered with PICO. | 17:26 |
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| rmrfchik | lolwhat?? | 17:26 |
| rmrfchik | this "hello from 1980"? | 17:27 |
| rmrfchik | back in days, when I used pine a lot, i used vim as editor ;) | 17:27 |
| dmj726_n900 | hmm...would maybe make a good backend | 17:28 |
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| RST38h | PICO is for the rest (like 99%) of us | 17:28 |
| RST38h | As to vim lovers, you should try ed some time, you will like it =) | 17:29 |
| derf | RST38h: You mean the 99% that don't matter. | 17:29 |
| RST38h | derf: Yep | 17:29 |
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| rmrfchik | 95% of population... | 17:30 |
| derf | By weight or by volume? | 17:30 |
| jham | hi, sorry, did anyone hear something about running maemo on e90? is that possible or is there a port? | 17:30 |
| tybollt | huh | 17:30 |
| RST38h | By brain mass | 17:30 |
| tybollt | woot | 17:30 |
| RST38h | jham: No. | 17:30 |
| jham | rmrfchik, what a nick, are you russian? :) | 17:31 |
| rmrfchik | don't mess the power of laconism (vim) and weakness of limitedness | 17:31 |
| jham | RST38h: oh, okay, thank you. | 17:31 |
| rmrfchik | jham: I am ;) | 17:31 |
| nidO | maemo on the e90 would be <3 | 17:31 |
| thresh | we all do | 17:31 |
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| jham | are there at all older devices maemo runs on? | 17:32 |
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| jham | phone devices | 17:32 |
| dmj726_n900 | not phones | 17:33 |
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| VDVsx | jham, yes 770, n800 and n810 (not phones) | 17:33 |
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| RST38h | rmrfchik: it ain't an editor if it has no arrow buttons =) | 17:33 |
| jham | well, i mean some pdas with phone function | 17:33 |
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| derf | You can use arrow keys in vim. | 17:33 |
| RST38h | jham: Yes. | 17:33 |
| derf | Why you would want to is another question. | 17:34 |
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| VDVsx | ah, and some Chinese devices too, don't recall the name | 17:34 |
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| jham | RST38h: is there some official list on devices supported? | 17:34 |
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| jham | cant find on maemo.org | 17:34 |
| RST38h | jham: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo+wiki | 17:35 |
| Edheldil | there are too many strange terminals where the arrow buttons simply don't work | 17:35 |
| frankS2 | RST38h: no reason to be sarcastic | 17:35 |
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| RST38h | franks2: I will decide on my own reasons, thanks. | 17:35 |
| RST38h | Edheldil: it ain't a terminal if it has no arrow buttons =) | 17:35 |
| frankS2 | RST38h: k | 17:36 |
| RST38h | derf: To...like...move the cursor around? :) | 17:36 |
| derf | There are other keys for that. They're right under my fingers. | 17:37 |
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| derf | The arrow keys are far away. | 17:37 |
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| pupnik_ | http://catb.org/~esr/writings/taouu/html/graphics/vt100.jpg the terminal | 17:37 |
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| RST38h | derf: I normally use "the other keys" to type text though | 17:38 |
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| Edheldil | RST38h: well, ever tried things like ssh in a screen session to serial line to Sun/Solaris OpenBoot :))) You have the keys, but they do not do things you expect :) | 17:38 |
| derf | RST38h: If you can't handle the idea that keys can do different things at different times, I can't help you. | 17:38 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Looks either like a late model *or* an icon of industrial design =) | 17:39 |
| Edheldil | vi's hjkl sometimes come very handy :) | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Edheldil: When you have to use text editor inside OpenBoot, something is WRONG =) | 17:39 |
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| RST38h | derf: Yep, I am stupid. I expect keys do what they are labelled to do. | 17:40 |
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| RST38h | "US military computer specialists, over the objections of the CIA, mounted a cyberattack that dismantled an online 'honey pot' monitored by US and Saudi intelligence agencies to identify extremists before they could strike, after military commanders said that the site was putting Americans at risk." | 17:41 |
| * RST38h bites the edge of his desk to keep himself from satanic laughter | 17:41 | |
| Edheldil | hehe, maybe I was too carried with my example :). Another one is vi over a slooow line, sometimes that tended to insert A/B instead of moving the cursor. Dunno why | 17:41 |
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| RST38h | Edheldil: That is not slow line, that is lack of flow control | 17:42 |
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| Edheldil | possibly, but it manifested itself over slow connections. And I think this particular one was not over serial. Anyway, does vi x pico really matter to anyone? We are all mature people, rrrriiiight? Right??? ;-))) | 17:44 |
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| red | hmm | 17:45 |
| red | N900 not automaticly mounting in ubuntu when in mass storage mode | 17:45 |
| red | and if I mount it with sudo mount i only get read rights | 17:45 |
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| tybollt | hmm ok so no turn-by-turn in 1.2 | 17:46 |
| tybollt | :-| | 17:46 |
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| ZogG | what program support front camera except mirror? | 17:49 |
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| ZogG | skype doesn't support it yet, does it? | 17:50 |
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| tybollt | Video calls? Oh wait... :) | 17:50 |
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| ZogG | i don't really need them | 17:51 |
| ZogG | i didn't use it on old phone | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 17:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | has anyone here ever seen "Account in use" from presence? | 17:52 |
| ZogG | just interestng any program any hw using front cam | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | it seems like possibly the dumbest message ever! | 17:52 |
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| kamui | *yawn* | 17:54 |
| kamui | what a great day to be alive | 17:54 |
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| kamui | not really | 17:54 |
| kamui | but Im pretty happy | 17:54 |
| dmj726_n900 | me too spring break is starting and the weather is great and there is a robot competition today | 17:55 |
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| loft | lol | 17:55 |
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| tybollt | hah | 17:57 |
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| dmj726_n900 | kamui: you know about http://code.google.com/p/gl-wes-v2/ | 18:03 |
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| tank-man | I predict: in 2013, all 2012 doomsday predictions will stop | 18:16 |
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| Khertan | tank-man, not sure ... as there is two interpretation on the maya calendar date conversion to our calendar :) | 18:19 |
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| Khertan | tank-man, it s 2208 and not 2012 | 18:21 |
| tank-man | then you can interpret my prediction in two ways :) | 18:21 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Moo! | 18:31 |
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| wazd_e63 | Heya all | 18:33 |
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| cpm | Hello. A few hours ago, I had problems updating my N900 (UK) to 1.1.1. I've now got it working by removing libgles1-sgx-img. As I installed openarena via dpkg + installing the dependencies manually (rather than adding the scary devel repo :)), they weren't automatically removed. | 18:34 |
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| VDVsx | wazd_e63, hey, wb :) | 18:36 |
| cpm | thanks to the people who offered suggestions earlier | 18:36 |
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| mikhas | cpm, how is apt supposed to keep track of what's installed if you used dpkg directly? | 18:39 |
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| mikhas | apt is able to discover unused packages though, methinks | 18:39 |
| wazd_e63 | Vdvsx: heya :) that's not me actually, my body died a week ago :D | 18:40 |
| wazd_e63 | Vdvsx: exhausted and dry :D | 18:40 |
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| cpm | mikhas, it doesn't - as I found out :) | 18:42 |
| VDVsx | wazd_e63, ah, you're a bot now :p | 18:42 |
| mikhas | wazd_e63, life gets better after death, doesn't it? | 18:43 |
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| mikhas | hi VDVsx | 18:43 |
| wazd_e63 | Vdvsx: how are you btw? :) long time no see :) | 18:43 |
| wazd_e63 | Mikhas: yeah, now I don't need to eat and sleep at least :) | 18:44 |
| VDVsx | mikhas, hey | 18:44 |
| VDVsx | wazd_e63, I'm fine, thanks :) | 18:44 |
| wazd_e63 | Mikhas: so I can work 24/7 :D | 18:44 |
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| mikhas | good! | 18:45 |
| VDVsx | wazd_e63, have fun: http://symbianuibrainstorm.wordpress.com/ :p | 18:46 |
| wazd_e63 | Vdvsx: it's actually in my blogroll :D | 18:46 |
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| VDVsx | damn | 18:46 |
| VDVsx | :p | 18:47 |
| wazd_e63 | Vdvsx: found it thru "you may also be interested" :) | 18:47 |
| VDVsx | lol | 18:47 |
| mortal | is it possible to format an sd card inside the n800 | 18:48 |
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| wazd_e63 | Vdvsx: they have some descent ideas, but visualisation is nowhere near mine for sure :) | 18:49 |
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| * VDVsx likes the bluetooth contacts idea | 18:50 | |
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| wazd_e63 | Vdvsx: the best bluetooth idea I have in my head (not sure if I came up with it myself) - instant infocard transfer | 18:55 |
| wazd_e63 | Vdvsx: just touch another phone with yours and they will exchange cards | 18:55 |
| VDVsx | that's like the shake thing for the iShit | 18:56 |
| wazd_e63 | With no button press involved :) | 18:56 |
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| nidO | seems overly complicated | 18:57 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Hey! How can I associate a picture with my maemo.org account? I created an avatar for myself on gravatar.com, and now I'd like to transfer it to maemo.org as well. Will maemo.org pick it up, or do Ihave to do it manually. | 19:00 |
| _|Nix|_ | ? | 19:00 |
| jacekowski | do it manualy | 19:00 |
| _|Nix|_ | I can't seem to find a spot on the edit profile page where it would go ... | 19:00 |
| _|Nix|_ | jacekowski: Where? | 19:01 |
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| _|Nix|_ | I clicked on my own name in the top right corner, and it takes me to my profile page, and then what? | 19:01 |
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| nidO | afaik you cant have avatars assigned to maemo.org accts? | 19:02 |
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| _|Nix|_ | nidO: Yes you can ... just go to the profiles listing. Almost everybody has an avatar: http://maemo.org/profile/list/ | 19:03 |
| nidO | sorry ill rephrase. | 19:04 |
| nidO | afaik you cant have separate avatars assigned to maemo.org accts, doesnt it just take your t.m.o profile picture? | 19:04 |
| _|Nix|_ | nidO: Oh, OK. Fine. How do I set my t.m.o profile picture? | 19:05 |
| nidO | go to tmo, "control panel" on the right side, then edit profile picture | 19:05 |
| Mek | I'm quite sure you don't need a tmo acconut to get a maemo.org profile picture | 19:06 |
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| nidO | oh. yeah i got it | 19:07 |
| nidO | on maemo.org | 19:07 |
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| nidO | click your acct name, then select "publish account details" in the top toolbar | 19:07 |
| summel | i thought ovi maps supports TbT navigation? oO | 19:07 |
| nidO | then 2nd field from the end is a picture | 19:08 |
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| nidO | ovi maps for symbian does and has for years | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG | Package osso-wlan-dev updated in SDK | 19:08 |
| summel | the one for maemo doesnt? | 19:08 |
| summel | oO | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smurfy, hcm? | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Fahrplan segfault patch by hcm works great ;-P segfaults reliably for me now | 19:19 |
| RST38h | Nix: Around? | 19:19 |
| _|Nix|_ | RST38h: Yeah. | 19:20 |
| _|Nix|_ | What's up? | 19:20 |
| RST38h | Nix: Trouble. | 19:20 |
| _|Nix|_ | Yikes! What's wrong? | 19:21 |
| RST38h | Nix: Starting with 2.6.4, Maemo5's unified messaging no longer works with ICQ :( | 19:21 |
| RST38h | Nix: Does not sound like much, but is a major show stopper if 70% of your contacts are on ICQ =( | 19:21 |
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| _|Nix|_ | RST38h: What can I do? | 19:21 |
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| RST38h | Nix: A moment | 19:22 |
| Corsac | (is pidgin more or less power hungry than default empathy?) | 19:22 |
| _|Nix|_ | There were some ICQ problems in Pidgin, IIRC. But they were fixed in later versions of libpurple, because I don't see them anymore. | 19:22 |
| * RST38h locates the tmo thread | 19:22 | |
| RST38h | Nix: it is different, has something to do with latest versions of pidgin libs being incompatible with messaging | 19:22 |
| _|Nix|_ | However, I'm not sure if those changes were implemented in a non-tp-haze-compatible fashion. | 19:23 |
| RST38h | Nix: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40569 | 19:24 |
| luke-jr | nobody should be using ICQ anymore | 19:24 |
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| RST38h | Nix:And here is the problem: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=460184&postcount=368 | 19:25 |
| RST38h | Nix: If you could check what is going on and maybe implement a fix (if it is simple of course)... | 19:25 |
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| _|Nix|_ | RST38h: I don't know much about libpurple, and especially not about the prpls themselves. The first thing I can think of is for tp-haze to depend on <=2.6.3-6nix0 until it works again. | 19:27 |
| _|Nix|_ | Of course, that won't fix it for people who have already upgraded. | 19:27 |
| RST38h | yep | 19:27 |
| RST38h | may cause upgrade troubles for both pidgin and haze users too | 19:27 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Since it works in Pidgin, it sounds to me like tp-haze simply has to keep up with it. They've done a great job so far ... | 19:28 |
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| RST38h | Nix: So, the right person to talk to would be one of the tp-haze guys? | 19:29 |
| _|Nix|_ | RST38h: I think so. | 19:29 |
| _|Nix|_ | RST38h: tp-haze is used outside of Maemo as well, so there's probably a good chance it'll be fixed. | 19:29 |
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| luke-jr | unlikely | 19:30 |
| * _|Nix|_ goes to make some dinner | 19:30 | |
| * luke-jr notes XMPP support is *still* broken | 19:30 | |
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| luke-jr | unless you're talking N900 mayb | 19:30 |
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| RST38h | Nix: Ack. | 19:31 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yeah I saw that. pretty fail for profiles to be stored in a localized fashion >.< | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh yes | 19:42 |
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| Shapeshifter | damn. I have this bug again where in the IM window, every character I type goes through twice | 19:57 |
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| mgedmin | Shapeshifter, on a N900? | 20:00 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: yeah. | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | cool | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | haven't seen that one | 20:00 |
| d14_ | :) | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | does backspace erase two characters too? | 20:00 |
| Corsac | yes | 20:01 |
| Corsac | I had that once on the edit contact page | 20:01 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: yeah. started writing an sms, was fine. pressed "->"+"ctrl" (sym) and then didn't pick a character but instead entered "->"+"l" (":") | 20:01 |
| Shapeshifter | but it's not reproducable. Had it twice until now. | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 20:02 |
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| Shapeshifter | I think someone in here had it a week ago or so in his irc client. | 20:02 |
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| ptl | just formatted my MMC as ext3... what do I have to do to always have it mounted on boot, even not being vfat? | 20:07 |
| ptl | not my internal MMC | 20:07 |
| ptl | external one | 20:07 |
| tybollt | adjust fstab | 20:08 |
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| ptl | fstab is dynamic, isn't it? | 20:08 |
| ptl | rebuilt at every reboot | 20:08 |
| tybollt | adjust the script that makes the fstab | 20:08 |
| tybollt | ? | 20:08 |
| ptl | it will get erased when I have an update | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | grep -r fstab /etc | 20:09 |
| ptl | I mean | 20:09 |
| ptl | replaced | 20:09 |
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| arachnist | you can always chattr +i /etc/fstab | 20:09 |
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| arachnist | but i'm not sure if that won't cause the device to a constant reboot loop | 20:09 |
| luke-jr | does jffs2 support attr +i? | 20:09 |
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| ptl | maybe I'll add a script on /etc/init.d | 20:10 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: ping | 20:10 |
| luke-jr | I don't think your problem is fstab... | 20:10 |
| ptl | and link it to /etc/rc2.d | 20:10 |
| luke-jr | at least on N8x0, the problem is loading the modules | 20:10 |
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| ptl | even though maemo 5 uses upstart | 20:10 |
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| arachnist | luke-jr: not sure about jffs2, but ubifs does | 20:11 |
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| ptl | rebooting to test my script. | 20:20 |
| jaem | quick question - is Qt Designer for 4.6 available for Maemo 5 (in the SDK)? | 20:21 |
| jaem | attempting to install libqt4-maemo5-designer gives me the "may have been replaced" message | 20:21 |
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| MohammadAG | jaem, qt4-designer - Qt 4 Designer ? | 20:23 |
| jaem | MohammadAG, I need 4.6 | 20:23 |
| jaem | and I just found out I need it yesterday >_< | 20:24 |
| jaem | I guess I'll have to build it | 20:24 |
| jaem | darn | 20:24 |
| jaem | thanks | 20:24 |
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| MohammadAG | Try apt-get install libqt4-maemo5* | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG | you might get more than you need though | 20:24 |
| jaem | I did, thanks, it's not there | 20:24 |
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| VDVsx | jaem, you want to use Qt designer inside the SDK ? | 20:25 |
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| jaem | VDVsx, I'm trying to build KDE's Marble as Qt-Only, but it's trying to build the designer widget support (which I need), and that requires at least the headers | 20:26 |
| jaem | probably the whole thing | 20:26 |
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| VDVsx | jaem, ah ok, probably the headers only, better ask at #qt-maemo | 20:27 |
| jaem | VDVsx, I'll try that first, thanks | 20:28 |
| jaem | I just found out that the map widget we were using is too buggy to be useful, and simultaenously that we need a demonstrable app yesterday | 20:28 |
| jaem | heh | 20:28 |
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| jaem | always the way of things... :P | 20:28 |
| openstandards | can anyone suggest a good case for the n900 | 20:30 |
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| toggles_w | openstandards: I use a zagg film thing, no case, lives in my pocket, works great, no damage and i'm tough on my hardware (washed my n900) | 20:33 |
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| openstandards | you have washed your n900? | 20:33 |
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| toggles_w | yeah, by accident and it didn't get fully submerged but it was wet, film stayed on ;-) | 20:34 |
| openstandards | blimey | 20:34 |
| toggles_w | crikey! | 20:35 |
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| toggles_w | took a day in the server room behind some busy servers producing hot air from their power supplies to dry it out enough to work again | 20:35 |
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| toggles_w | works fine, only issue is when it gets a little damp now the indicator light glows, as soon as it dries back out though it turns off.. weird. | 20:36 |
| ebzzry | Hi! How can I install Open Arena on Maemo 5? | 20:36 |
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| mikhas | toggles_w, you could have taken it to a meeting, would have been dried in 5min! | 20:36 |
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| toggles_w | LOL | 20:37 |
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| Xisdibik | dmj726_n900: where did you get your hands on a n9001 | 20:37 |
| toggles_w | the future.. | 20:38 |
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| openstandards | lmao :P | 20:39 |
| * openstandards wants a time machine | 20:39 | |
| * Xisdibik wants a hot tub time machine | 20:39 | |
| openstandards | you want your women to age in the hot tub? :P | 20:40 |
| dmj726_n900 | n900s turn into one by a strange confluence between the wifi and 3g forces | 20:40 |
| mece | ebzzry, it's in devel: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel | 20:40 |
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| ebzzry | mece: Will searching for "arena" make it show? | 20:40 |
| Xisdibik | openstandards: yea, women are like wine ;) | 20:40 |
| toggles_w | lol | 20:40 |
| * openstandards thinks Xisdibik wants to be a pimping dr who..... | 20:40 | |
| mece | ebzzry, dunno. just go to games and scroll to o :) | 20:41 |
| Xisdibik | openstandards: who wouldnt wanna be that? | 20:41 |
| openstandards | Xisdibik, I hope you don't live near a grave yard i'd be worried :P | 20:41 |
| ebzzry | mece: Hmm, OK. Thanks for the tip. I've been searching the string "arena" and "open" and nothing shows up. | 20:41 |
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| openstandards | Xisdibik, rather have the back to the future car | 20:41 |
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| toggles_w | i'd take you to get one but my mr. fusion is broken | 20:42 |
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| toggles_w | washed it too | 20:42 |
| Xisdibik | openstandards: To each his own | 20:42 |
| dmj726_n900 | i'll take a tardis if anyone is offering. I have a lot of junk to store. | 20:42 |
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| * noobmonk3y is off travelling, well to a wedding, back sunday - ciaoooooooooooooo | 20:42 | |
| openstandards | cyas, no fighting :) | 20:43 |
| noobmonk3y | lol, moi, never! :D | 20:43 |
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| openstandards | its weird that the hardware when it comes to the n900 seems to be a problem | 20:48 |
| openstandards | like i've just been reading that the usb connector can become damaged and the headphone jack is problematic | 20:49 |
| Tuxprobe | hmm there's no libglademm for the maemo community? | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | openstandards: it's hard to tell | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | openstandards: It's safe to say the vast majority of people have no problems | 20:50 |
| dmj726_n900 | there are definitely issues, but most don't seem to have them | 20:51 |
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| Arif_ | oo | 21:04 |
| Arif_ | sygic in fullscreen | 21:04 |
| Arif_ | :D | 21:04 |
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| ptl | are you running it? | 21:07 |
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| |R | sygic is only out for europe/asia ? | 21:09 |
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| pupnik_ | rpg music is the best | 21:10 |
| Guest30267 | hmm 60 euros? | 21:10 |
| Guest30267 | might get it | 21:10 |
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| ptl | pupnik_: you compiled these codecs for pcsx, isn't it? why the softfx codec for video always present the game in a tiny window? is that right? | 21:14 |
| ptl | pupnik_: isn't there an opengl codec for pcsx? | 21:14 |
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| ptl | pupnik_? | 21:16 |
| RST38h | what is "opengl codec" btw? | 21:16 |
| ptl | pcsx has many video drivers | 21:17 |
| ptl | if we could get one that used the opengles 2.0 that the n900 has, it would be lots faster | 21:17 |
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| ptl | huh? | 21:18 |
| ptl | a clone! | 21:18 |
| pupnik_ | ptl: a guy named 'pete' made an openGL plugin but i never got source | 21:19 |
| pupnik_ | maybe smoku will make progress; he did get the dynamic recompiler working! | 21:20 |
| ptl | pupnik_: and the softx one? it is normal that it shows the game in a tiny square? | 21:20 |
| pupnik_ | if you mean native resolution then yes | 21:20 |
| ptl | it doesn't scale, isn't it? | 21:20 |
| pupnik_ | Frodo, Basilisk, UAE would be good emus for the N900 | 21:20 |
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| pupnik_ | i don't have the time or skill to work on that | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | pete's gpu plugins are all open source | 21:22 |
| ali1234 | http://www.pbernert.com/html/dev.htm | 21:23 |
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| pupnik_ | so you think this pcsx-m can be improved enough ali1234 ? | 21:25 |
| ali1234 | what is pcsx-m? | 21:25 |
| pupnik_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47227 | 21:25 |
| ali1234 | i must say that pcsx gui was a lot nicer on n900 than the psx4all one | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | hmm core ported from psx4all | 21:26 |
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| ali1234 | well, i don't think it will ever run fullspeed | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | not without shutting down everything else that the n900 does | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | and even then it will be tough | 21:27 |
| pupnik_ | well the core can run 600mhz continuous apparently | 21:28 |
| pupnik_ | maybe only in cold temperatures | 21:28 |
| ali1234 | hmm | 21:28 |
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| pupnik_ | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state while playing picodrive shows only 600000 increasing | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | isn't 600 the max? | 21:29 |
| pupnik_ | yeah but i guess it is not advised to fix cpu at max | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | even at 600mhz with audio and video output disabled i could not get 100% PSX speed | 21:30 |
| ali1234 | that is only disabling the output not the emulation parts | 21:30 |
| ali1234 | but still | 21:30 |
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| pupnik_ | aha | 21:33 |
| pupnik_ | maybe it can be non-painful for some rpgs | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 21:34 |
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| pupnik_ | just reviewing megadrive stuff and it is astounding how much companies copied each other starting in the 90s | 21:35 |
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| ali1234 | everybody wants to be the second to do something | 21:35 |
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| pupnik_ | pioneers often do get burned | 21:36 |
| Arif_ | hows picodrives sound going? | 21:36 |
| pupnik_ | i've been playing not working :) | 21:37 |
| pupnik_ | you notice the skips also? | 21:37 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Genesis has been a pretty standard 68000-based system | 21:37 |
| pupnik_ | yes thankfully not much weirdness :) | 21:38 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Using VDP derived from MasterSystem and some other assorted pieces from the SMS. So, what other hardware did it "copy"? | 21:38 |
| pupnik_ | there's the sony spc700 in there | 21:39 |
| RST38h | pupnik: In Genesis? Why? | 21:39 |
| RST38h | Never been SPC700 in Genesis AFAIK | 21:39 |
| Arif_ | the games freezes occasionally | 21:39 |
| jcrawford | so i may get bias answers but is maemo better than palm webos? | 21:39 |
| Arif_ | but the sound is good | 21:39 |
| jcrawford | don't flame me :) | 21:39 |
| RST38h | jcrawford: Yes. | 21:40 |
| RST38h | jcrawford: No. | 21:40 |
| jcrawford | haha | 21:40 |
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| RST38h | jcrawford: Which answer would you prefer to hear, anyway? | 21:40 |
| Arif_ | jcrawford, webos has the unreal engine | 21:40 |
| Arif_ | =D | 21:40 |
| jcrawford | RST38h, an honest one :) | 21:40 |
| RST38h | jcrawford: The honest one will be "fuck off". | 21:40 |
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| RST38h | But that would be impolite, of course. | 21:41 |
| jcrawford | RST38h, ok then | 21:41 |
| jcrawford | :) | 21:41 |
| ali1234 | the honest answer is all smartphones suck | 21:41 |
| Arif_ | iPhone ftw | 21:41 |
| dmj726_n900 | depends on what you want really | 21:41 |
| Arif_ | everyone knows that | 21:41 |
| jcrawford | ugh iPhone | 21:41 |
| pupnik_ | i can't even get my keyboard working in maemo SDK | 21:41 |
| Arif_ | you cannot deny it! | 21:41 |
| MohammadAG | Arif_, you're either an iPhone troll, or I didn't see a /sarcasm there | 21:41 |
| * RST38h votes for the first option | 21:41 | |
| * Arif_ votes for the 2nd option | 21:42 | |
| * MohammadAG kicks Arif_ out of #maemo | 21:42 | |
| * Arif_ forces MohammadAG to use an iPhone | 21:42 | |
| MohammadAG | used one for a day | 21:42 |
| jcrawford | well i know i am not in a position to be making money from maemo apps :) but I could with WebOS. However it's more about learning for me than making money so are both OS's about the same when it comes to the underlying linux etc. or do they differ greatly. is Maemo as open as the Pre? | 21:42 |
| Arif_ | I tried using one | 21:42 |
| Arif_ | but failed | 21:42 |
| Arif_ | :( | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | no I didn't get curious, someone wanted me to jailbreak it | 21:42 |
| dmj726_n900 | n900 is good for doing what the iphone doesn't | 21:42 |
| Arif_ | jcrawford, you can't even if you wanted to | 21:43 |
| Arif_ | :D | 21:43 |
| jcrawford | Arif_, how so? | 21:43 |
| dmj726_n900 | maemo is more like desktop linux | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | how about we stop the iPhone talk? it clutters the logs :) | 21:43 |
| Arif_ | N900 ovi store is b0rked | 21:43 |
| jcrawford | Arif_, it's getting worked on :) | 21:43 |
| Arif_ | yeah right | 21:43 |
| jcrawford | actively | 21:43 |
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| MohammadAG | jcrawford, you from Nokia or something? | 21:43 |
| Arif_ | do you really believe that | 21:43 |
| Arif_ | ;D | 21:43 |
| tybollt | uhm | 21:43 |
| tybollt | was ovi store ever anything but borked? | 21:44 |
| tybollt | :) | 21:44 |
| jcrawford | lol tybollt | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | actually ovi all in all is 'borked' | 21:44 |
| Arif_ | nah | 21:44 |
| tybollt | no | 21:44 |
| Arif_ | the symbian one is fine | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | not really | 21:44 |
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| tybollt | I love me my ovi calendar, it's fucking awesome (if you have a symbian device - if you have the N900 - yeah it sucks :) | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | Arif_, I've had my fair share of Nokia phones | 21:45 |
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| Arif_ | I have | 21:45 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 21:45 |
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| Arif_ | about 6 | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, I had to transfer my contacts from Ovi to an N73 to the N900 | 21:45 |
| ptl | what does ovi calendar does that's so good? | 21:45 |
| ptl | I never got the hold of calendars | 21:45 |
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| MohammadAG | Notes synchronization failed on the N97 | 21:45 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: bingo - as I have to | 21:45 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: that is R E T A R D E D :) | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | ptl, it just backs up the calendar | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | yep, same with the calendar | 21:46 |
| tybollt | yeah | 21:46 |
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| Arif_ | I don't use the calendar | 21:46 |
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| Arif_ | :D | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | 400+ calerndar entries was NOT nice over 3G (N73) | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | calendar* | 21:46 |
| Arif_ | that should be like | 21:46 |
| Arif_ | 20KB! | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | not to mention the 7MB RAM | 21:46 |
| jcrawford | I think i will pick Maemo, it all comes down to hardware. I have 2 Pre's and have had to have them replaced about 8 times over the last year combined | 21:46 |
| Arif_ | why don't you wait for Moogo | 21:47 |
| dmj726_n900 | that bad of hardware? | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | cause it's a NooGo | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | I hate RPM | 21:47 |
| ptl | I don't hate RPM but I'd prefer deb | 21:47 |
| jcrawford | dmj726_n900, i dropped my pre on a hard wood floor once from waist level (arm down by side) and the touchscreen just stopped | 21:47 |
| ptl | let's restart the package war | 21:47 |
| dmj726_n900 | it can't be moogo because it won't have apt | 21:47 |
| jcrawford | seems like if you tap the damn things they start having issues lol | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | ptl, let's not | 21:47 |
| ptl | oh :( | 21:48 |
| dmj726_n900 | let's not ptl | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 21:48 |
| ptl | what about vi vs emacs? | 21:48 |
| ptl | *vim vs emacs | 21:48 |
| ptl | emacs vs xemacs | 21:48 |
| dmj726_n900 | how is the python support on the pre? | 21:48 |
| ptl | kde vs gnome? | 21:48 |
| ptl | gtk+ vs qtr | 21:48 |
| dmj726_n900 | let's not | 21:48 |
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| jcrawford | dmj726_n900, http://www.josephcrawford.com/2010/03/18/review-the-palm-pre-2/ | 21:48 |
| jcrawford | anyway back to work :) | 21:48 |
| ptl | *qt | 21:48 |
| jcrawford | dmj726_n900, i am not sure about the puthon support | 21:49 |
| ptl | does the palm pre 2 has qt, gtk, X? | 21:49 |
| jcrawford | ptl, not that i know of :) | 21:49 |
| jcrawford | so the N900 uses actual WM running under X? | 21:49 |
| mece | yes | 21:49 |
| dmj726_n900 | it's quite good on maemo | 21:49 |
| jcrawford | ok SOLD! | 21:49 |
| jaem | hmm | 21:50 |
| jcrawford | can't wait for mine to get here lol | 21:50 |
| ptl | however I can't export windows from N900 to my linux | 21:50 |
| ptl | tried with osso-xterm | 21:50 |
| dmj726_n900 | gecko? | 21:50 |
| jaem | I'm getting errors from ld telling me that libraries are not found, and that I should try specifying -rpath | 21:50 |
| jaem | I forget what that means | 21:50 |
| jaem | any help? | 21:50 |
| mece | jcrawford, n900 is just a linux box. | 21:50 |
| jaem | jcrawford, the WM is Matchbox, FYI | 21:51 |
| jaem | and yes, it uses X | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | jaem: are you mixing static and dynamic? | 21:51 |
| dmj726_n900 | it also runs debian | 21:51 |
| jaem | many standard Linux apps will run with just a recompile, although granted the UI might not be sane | 21:51 |
| jcrawford | very cool, i cannot wait :) | 21:51 |
| jcrawford | i will have to dive into development :) | 21:52 |
| jaem | ali1234, not that I'm aware of, but I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing, to be honest - I was attempting to build KDE's Marble (Qt-only version), and running into issues | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | don't know then | 21:52 |
| mikhas | jaem, try specifing LD_LIBRARY_PATH, or update your ld cache | 21:54 |
| jaem | thanks | 21:54 |
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| Stskeeps | AndrewFblack: fiferboy's contactable on facebook at least | 22:04 |
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| AndrewFblack | Stskeeps: Cool I need to use my facebook again sometime lol | 22:05 |
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| DrGrov | Good evening everyone | 22:15 |
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| DrGrov | Good evening everyone | 22:15 |
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| DrGrov | How could I easily install themes from different repos? I understand that I need to add that repo somehow... | 22:16 |
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| joppu | damn, Andrew parted already :( | 22:20 |
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| TomaszD | hmm, getting a solid gps fix indoors without network positioning without cache, not sure why people complain about the gps :P | 22:48 |
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| Lumpio- | I think I got my first GPS fix ever today | 22:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Now try living in something more substantial than a tent. | 22:48 |
| TomaszD | solid, thick brick walls | 22:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | yay shiboken might see a release next week :) | 23:10 |
| pupnik | lies TomaszD! all lies! :) | 23:12 |
| TomaszD | lol so notification in xchat works | 23:12 |
| pupnik | i don't think there is a single plot branch in any megadrive game, ever made | 23:13 |
| DrGrov | how could i easily get a hold of the maps for nokia maps? | 23:14 |
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| DrGrov | can i download them on the n900 from the ovi maps application directly? | 23:14 |
| DrGrov | any problems to get a fix on the position in the maps application? | 23:15 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: just forget the maps application | 23:15 |
| DrGrov | should i have the online mode activated | 23:15 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: why should i forget that? | 23:15 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: use navit, maep, maemap or whatever it's called, and wait for the "new" ovi maps with directions to get released with the next... uhm year or so | 23:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | oh there's also mapper | 23:16 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: oh, i see. can i get navit, maep, maemap from the repos directly or? | 23:16 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: yeah. not sure where they're in, but there's somewhere between extras and extras-devel ;) | 23:17 |
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| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: ok, i will check that out. i need to get GPS working for my approximately 2000km driving per month | 23:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: I'm taking a guess that sygic is the best solution atm, but it costs | 23:19 |
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| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: actually i don't need anything fancy. i know my way around the roads but something little helpful. | 23:19 |
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| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: can I empty my WiFi data log somehow? | 23:20 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: log? the amount of wifi you mean? | 23:20 |
| Shapeshifter | wow maep is fast compared to ovi maps or navit | 23:21 |
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| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: yeah, amount of wifi and regular data transfer. | 23:22 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: you can reset it through gconf | 23:22 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: does the video call option become available on a contact when I am using 3G? | 23:23 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: gconf in settings menu? | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: no | 23:23 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: nah, gconf. Write a script. Let me look up the key... | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: there is no support for video calls at all. | 23:23 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: ah ok, then it is a bit of a shame but nevermind. it is still ok. i hope nokia adds that a bit later on... | 23:23 |
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| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: mh I thought there was a counter in gconf not only for gprs but wlan as well but I can't find it. maybe google around. | 23:25 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: no problem actually. it is just a little cool thing to have around :) thanks | 23:26 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: one small question yet if it is ok? | 23:26 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: sure ^^ | 23:27 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: how the heck is my battery draining very much? i charged it full yesterday and today it is only about 50% left... | 23:27 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: 3G drains lots of power from my experience. | 23:27 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: i don't use 3G, i keep it in 2G | 23:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: well, when did you charge it yesterday, as in, how many hours has it been without power? | 23:28 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: i charged it full when it had that same 50% battery time left | 23:28 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: about perhaps 25-30 hours or so... | 23:29 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah but, how long has it been without power now? | 23:29 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: now it has power full because i charged it. | 23:29 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: i keep charing it over again when it has that 50% left about. charge it in the nights a few hours and switch it on when it is fully charged. | 23:30 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: well I'm not sure what you mean. Anyhow, my battery lasts through a day at normal, not excessive use. that means, maybe from 8:00 until 20:00 with almost no surfing, always on 2G and IM enabled, maybe some email and mabybe half an hour of VGBA gaming. you can hardly get more time out of it, except if you turn off IM or any other transfers etc. | 23:31 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: yeah well it doesn't go much more then a day. | 23:31 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: ok, then we are about the same then. i keep sending a lot of sms. no surfing. | 23:32 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: it has a miniature battery with low capacity, and is a quasi full blown computer :| | 23:32 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: lol :/ | 23:33 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: i dont mind charging it at all once a day. it is fast charging still so. | 23:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: maybe get a car adaptor if you're driving a lot. | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Spare battery isn't a bad plan | 23:34 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: yeah, it could be a good idea. | 23:34 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: yeah, spare battery is a good choice as well. | 23:34 |
| DrGrov | one thing i got working well today is the FM-transmitter for my car stereo :) so something positive | 23:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:34 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: if you want to turn your somewhat bulky n900 into a brick, get this: http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html | 23:35 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes that FM transmitter diddn't suck by design. | 23:35 | |
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| SpeedEvil | But it can't both work well, and not interfere with others - even neglecting legality. | 23:35 |
| DrGrov | i gotta remember to turn off the FM-transmitter before I go to sleep LOL | 23:35 |
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| hcarrega | hi | 23:35 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: true, it is not perfect in the car but works out kind of good still. | 23:35 |
| DrGrov | hi hcarrega | 23:36 |
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| pupnik | it is better than not having one, barely | 23:36 |
| DrGrov | yeah, barely | 23:36 |
| DrGrov | brb, checking some house | 23:36 |
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| Shapeshifter | that really is one hell of a huge brick cover | 23:39 |
| Shapeshifter | what a crap design. | 23:40 |
| pupnik | how would you improve it | 23:40 |
| Shapeshifter | pupnik: make the battery cell longer covering the whole back area and instead make it slimmer. or at least put in more cells below all that wasted empty space | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Like this! http://www.dhlovelife.com/v2/cart/product_details.php?Item_Quantity_=7 | 23:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: making the battery more than one cell is a non-starter - boosts costs stupidly | 23:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: also - that internal space isn't actually blank | 23:42 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: not blank? | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | there is shit in there | 23:42 |
| pupnik | you've seen a picture of the inside of the mugen back cover? | 23:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | no | 23:43 |
| Shapeshifter | huh? There's nothing | 23:43 |
| pupnik | Shapeshifter: yeah it would have been nice - but SpeedEvil is right - making a fancy battery design with two-tiers wouldn't be cheap | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: oh - you're talking about the mugen cover? | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I hhave no idea about that | 23:44 |
| Shapeshifter | http://stuff.moritzg.ch/brick-cover.png | 23:44 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | A back cover with a slidable optical zoom would be funky too | 23:45 |
| Shapeshifter | funky, yes. | 23:45 |
| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 23:45 |
| Pikke | does somebody know if sygic is available to download somewhere ? demo or something ? i dont want to buy anything without testing it :) and sorry my english :D i am from finland :) | 23:45 |
| Shapeshifter | at that size, you could pop in a retractable knife, magnifying glass, cigarette lighter and bottle opener as well.... | 23:46 |
| thresh | i'm all for bottle opener | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Naah - I have ciggy lighter on keyring. | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3734 | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Works well | 23:46 |
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| Shapeshifter | http://fitzwilliampenn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Huge_Swiss_Army_Knife.jpg will fit under that mugen cover. | 23:47 |
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| pupnik | i kind of feel obligated to support mugen in this | 23:48 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | I think that mugen extended battery looks quite handy. Could get a full day of video, camera, and web. | 23:49 |
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| pupnik | i couldn't | 23:51 |
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| greenfly | just wonder how the lack of the camera cover would impact things | 23:51 |
| pupnik | don't poke the camera lens | 23:51 |
| greenfly | will the camera app launch whenever you restart? | 23:51 |
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| Shapeshifter | it would be nice. but the thinkness of the n900 in its current state is already somewhat at the upper limit. And I'm very insensitive to bulkyness | 23:51 |
| Shapeshifter | to some people, the n900 is already a brick. | 23:52 |
| dmj726_n9001 | well i don't think there is any danger of scratching the lens | 23:52 |
| pupnik | yeah but going way OVER the limit would make it funny | 23:52 |
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| pupnik | imagine people's reactions | 23:52 |
| Shapeshifter | pupnik: it is funny | 23:52 |
| Shapeshifter | but hey, that cover will make the n900 get rid of the hazy/blueish flash pictures problem | 23:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.agrussell.com/product.asp?pn=RUS-P6CQ - I have the plain one. Works well. :) | 23:53 |
| dmj726_n9001 | that big cove would make it as thick as our previous nokias | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | (of knives) | 23:53 |
| greenfly | it'll also solve the problem of the screen cracking from the n900 fitting in a jeans pocket | 23:53 |
| Shapeshifter | greenfly: screen cracking? | 23:54 |
| greenfly | the current trend of skinny jeans doesn't blend well with large-screened portable devices | 23:54 |
| pupnik | hmm some people are still ebaying nokia boots | 23:54 |
| Shapeshifter | but maep is pretty awesome. too bad it has no navigation. but it's really what I'd like to see in terms of speed and interface for a gps software | 23:55 |
| greenfly | but if you make the n900 larger than you could fit in any pocket the problem is solved | 23:55 |
| Shapeshifter | greenfly: I wear those tech-guy 10-pockets type of pants xD | 23:55 |
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| greenfly | I think it'd be easier to just carry around one of those portable rechargeable usb chargers than make the n900 thicker | 23:57 |
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| Shapeshifter | greenfly: usb charging is quite slow | 23:57 |
| nidO | too right, I can't see the point of the mugen battery whatsoever | 23:57 |
| Shapeshifter | a second battery or real power outlet are the options imo | 23:58 |
| Shapeshifter | it's rarely the case that you're somewhere where there really isn't any power | 23:58 |
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