| alterego | I was thinking of making my "Call Blocker" block IM too. | 00:00 |
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| alterego | But I think I'll wait and dsee if anyone asks for that feature before bothering to put it in. | 00:01 |
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| kamui__ | I agree with that alterego | 00:01 |
| kamui__ | I mean, most IM services have privacy built right in | 00:02 |
| kamui__ | especially jabber | 00:02 |
| kamui__ | you don't want to hear from someone in particular, its easy enough to block them | 00:02 |
| kamui__ | although I will admit conversations could use some interface improvements | 00:03 |
| kamui__ | and the contacts app could use tabs :) | 00:04 |
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| __ibz | how does one switch to video recording from stil camera mode? | 00:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | __ibz: you click the 'A' on the camera | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil | which is stupid | 00:09 |
| __ibz | grrrrrr | 00:09 |
| kamui__ | anyone use some of the bigger apps in easy debian on the N900, like openoffice and gimp? | 00:10 |
| kamui__ | I tried them a long time ago and the latency on keyboard input and mouse input was unbearable | 00:10 |
| kamui__ | but I'm hearing they both run quite smoothly | 00:10 |
| kamui__ | must be something I'm not doing right | 00:10 |
| kamui__ | just want to compare my process with someone who's seeing acceptable performance | 00:11 |
| pusling | on n900, what qt code do I need to do to do this popup thing, like the one for selecting which network connection to use ? | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | You can free up quite a lot of RAM by killing stuff. | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - worldclock | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | which is the thing that pops up when you press the time on the display. | 00:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | Eats 2M | 00:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | And if you kill it - it has to load it - which takes ~1s | 00:12 |
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| mikhas | pusling, use QDialog? say, QDialog *some_dialog = new QDialog(QApplication::activeWindow()); | 00:14 |
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| pusling | mikhas: oh. it is just a QDialog that does that? I'm impressed then ;) | 00:14 |
| mikhas | set a layout for the QDialog, add widgets to the layout, show the dialog | 00:14 |
| mikhas | just dont use exec, I had problems with nested mainloops | 00:14 |
| mikhas | also, there is #qt-maemo | 00:14 |
| pusling | mikhas: is #qt-maemo or this having most qt on maemo clue ? ;) | 00:15 |
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| mikhas | this channel is only for complaints | 00:16 |
| mikhas | =p | 00:16 |
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| pusling | I would also like to complain about the crappy email client | 00:16 |
| pusling | like. how do I download attachments? | 00:16 |
| mikhas | no, you have to reword that. | 00:17 |
| mikhas | "this effin mail client cannot download attachments!!1eleven!" | 00:17 |
| pusling | I honestly thought it could, but just a well hidden thing | 00:18 |
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| mikhas | strange though, because I think I could. Some small icon. | 00:18 |
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| T7g | hahaha, well if you're competent enough to get on irc but not competent enough to deal with mail attachment issues then I think you got off the bus at the wrong stop somewhere :p | 00:18 |
| * mikhas doesn't have email configured yet | 00:18 | |
| T7g | me either, I never will | 00:18 |
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| mikhas | re-configured, I should say | 00:18 |
| pusling | T7g: I'm also competent enough to complain about the crappy maemo packages nokia is offerig us ,) | 00:19 |
| T7g | I don't ever plan to use e-mail on the n900 unless it's from the g-mail web interface. E-mail just has never been important enough to me to justify checking it more than when I wake up and before bed. | 00:19 |
| mikhas | good, you get better | 00:19 |
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| T7g | heheheh, well don't use their stuff! | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | modest takes 6M of memory! | 00:19 |
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| T7g | I for one have avoided every nokia included app I could. | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 00:19 |
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| mikhas | more swear words! | 00:20 |
| pusling | T7g: I'm talking about their scratchbox setup helpers and stuff. | 00:20 |
| mikhas | like, the GUI installer? | 00:20 |
| mikhas | yeah, it steals the experience of sitting through a vbox installation for the whole weekend | 00:20 |
| mikhas | sbox* | 00:21 |
| pusling | mikhas: nah. like having to hack in postinst scripts of packages so that installation can continue | 00:21 |
| pusling | mikhas: and diverting /usr/sbin/gconf-schemas with a script that always returns true | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | fsck gconf | 00:22 |
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| pusling | DocScrutinizer51: with postinst scripts with set -e, it is pretty important that it returns true. | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | regedit fucked up once more for good - tzat's gconf | 00:23 |
| mikhas | see? only for complaints =) | 00:24 |
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| Kamui | got a sucessfull xmpp call working over edge. as soon as i added video though...kerplunk. | 00:26 |
| Kamui | ker plop! ploop! | 00:27 |
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| jebba | Kamui, can you do video over wifi? I've only heard of it working if someone initiates the video call from a PC. | 00:31 |
| dotblank | jebba, I had it *sorta* work | 00:31 |
| dotblank | lasts about 2 seconds | 00:31 |
| jebba | dotblank: n900 to n900? How was the setup? etc :) | 00:32 |
| dotblank | oh not n900 to n900 | 00:32 |
| dotblank | n900 to pc | 00:32 |
| dotblank | if someone has an n900 they would like to test it with id be glad to participate | 00:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, lol, nice tag. | 00:36 |
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| toggles_w | Is anyone using qt for n900 development? | 00:43 |
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| w00t | toggles_w: yes, me | 00:48 |
| woglinde | hi | 00:48 |
| w00t | though I'm technically cheating a bit, I'm using pyside, at least for prototyping | 00:48 |
| woglinde | some one knows how I can get < and > into maemo.org comments? | 00:48 |
| toggles_w | w00t: hmm, I was wondeing how to go about building in scratchbox, is it possible? docs? or do i need MADDE? | 00:49 |
| jebba | dotblank: try calling jebba@jabber.org or jebbasan@gmail.com | 00:49 |
| jebba | woglinde: would be nice if that had a preview comments too. | 00:50 |
| w00t | toggles_w: building in scratchbox should certainly be possible; though that's part of why I'm using pyside, I don't want to deal with scratchbox :-) | 00:51 |
| woglinde | jebba so you know? | 00:51 |
| toggles_w | w00t: thanks mate, i think I'll resort to madde for simplicity. | 00:52 |
| w00t | I have yet to look into madde myself | 00:52 |
| Corsac | is there a way to open calendar directly to notes? | 00:52 |
| w00t | let me know how hard/easy it is to get working, by all means | 00:52 |
| w00t | if it's not too difficult I might look into that this week | 00:52 |
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| toggles_w | w00t: will do\ | 00:54 |
| dotblank | jebba, ok | 00:55 |
| woglinde | jebba &foo; stuff works | 00:56 |
| dotblank | jebba, says you are offline | 00:58 |
| jebba | ah heh | 01:01 |
| dotblank | try calling me emagmant3@gmail.com | 01:01 |
| jebba | dotblank: actually those account are online. You may have to initiate a chat session first to get perms. | 01:01 |
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| dotblank | hmm I did try starting a chat session.. h/o | 01:02 |
| jebba | just ack'd it | 01:03 |
| jebba | heh. I got "Device storage full" .. | 01:04 |
| jebba | "Unable to receive or send new messages." | 01:04 |
| jebba | so...lemme sort this out. I have a mere 48G on this thing, you'd think it'd be enough ;) | 01:05 |
| cehteh | usb hostmode ftw .. slap a 1TB disk on its back :) | 01:05 |
| jebba | heh | 01:05 |
| dotblank | yea.. I can see your status... says your in usa.. how very revealing of you | 01:06 |
| jebba | just fixing /opt thing would do it. | 01:06 |
| jebba | i had it set to exact street. | 01:06 |
| cehteh | mhm are there no disk enclosures with bluetooth? | 01:06 |
| jebba | perhaps i need to sit outside with it to get a better shot | 01:06 |
| dotblank | I know the gps wont update if its looking for sats | 01:06 |
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| dotblank | send me an im when you have /opt fixed | 01:08 |
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| jebba | dotblank: ping freemoe900@gmail.com that's generic fone | 01:11 |
| shamus | are there any google talk echo test things as i have no way of know if it works or not | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: alas you may forget about usb-hm | 01:13 |
| dotblank | the gsoc pidgin dev had one | 01:13 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i dont really need it, would be a nice have but i didnt follwed any more discussions about it | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fell to coma | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | almost dead | 01:14 |
| cehteh | hey maybe my device ships tomorrow .. lets see | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | they found it's missing vital organs | 01:15 |
| dotblank | jebba, you would need to ack me | 01:15 |
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| uhsf | maybe my device also ships tomorrow .. let's see | 01:16 |
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| jebba | dotblank: ack'd you | 01:17 |
| jebba | ping'd you there | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: mass storage umount? | 01:17 |
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| cehteh | uhsf: yours too? :) | 01:19 |
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| jebba | DocScrutinizer51: huh? | 01:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: thought your 'not enough spave' issue might be caused by a usb cable | 01:26 |
| jebba | no, it's not mounted. And I don't have lots of stuff from extras-devel installed that isn't in /opt. Kind of surprised i'm full i'm not sure what has filled it. | 01:28 |
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| esaym153 | anyone know when the n900 price is going to drop? | 01:35 |
| newbie005 | how can I tell about the status of a program? I'm interesting in getting a barcode scanner. So far I found this: http://maemo.org/packages/view/zbar/ | 01:35 |
| esaym153 | also what suppliers of pay per minute plans in the US can the phone us? | 01:35 |
| jebba | newbie005: there is mbarcode or similar too | 01:35 |
| newbie005 | jebba: on the device I did a search for applications called barcode and it didn't come up, perhaps its in test? | 01:36 |
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| jebba | mbarcode appears to be in extras-testing and extras-devel | 01:37 |
| newbie005 | ah I found the mbarcode is in test, I'm going to have to wait | 01:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jebba: (surprised) seems to me tmp is in / | 01:39 |
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| * GeneralAntilles decides Quim kinda looks like Brett Favre. | 01:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which is... pretty BAD | 01:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~optification | 01:43 |
| infobot | optification is probably a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | ~microsoft | 01:43 |
| infobot | "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuum cleaners." | 01:43 |
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| w00t | ~w00t | 01:47 |
| infobot | w00t!!! | 01:47 |
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| w00t | yeahhh. | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | LOLZ | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | w00t: you locked that factoid? | 01:51 |
| w00t | nope, nor did I set it | 01:51 |
| w00t | but it is quite epic | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hrhrhrrr | 01:52 |
| cehteh | ~nokia | 01:53 |
| infobot | well, nokia is a cellphone company from Finland. | 01:53 |
| cehteh | hehe | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 01:54 |
| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer51 | 01:54 |
| cehteh | ~motorola | 01:54 |
| infobot | i heard motorola is one of the best CPU architectures, used in various systems, such as Amiga, HP, Atari, VME and other embeeded ones. There is even an official Debian port for them. Check it at http://www.linux-m68k.org and ofcourse http://www.debian.org. It's official for the 68K series, and (yet) unofficial for PPC ones. | 01:54 |
| cehteh | haha | 01:54 |
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| cehteh | ~42 | 01:54 |
| infobot | from memory, 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything | 01:54 |
| woglinde | lol | 01:54 |
| cehteh | ~woglinde | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~docscrutinizer | 01:55 |
| goodwill | molesting the bot I see | 01:55 |
| infobot | methinks docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 01:55 |
| woglinde | old | 01:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | woglinde: heya | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | join in withthe silly idling? | 01:56 |
| toggles_w | w00t: 3 downloads have resulted in 3 different sized .sh files, none installed, i'm giving up for the night. l8r. | 01:57 |
| woglinde | hm | 01:57 |
| woglinde | nite now | 01:57 |
| woglinde | navit works | 01:57 |
| w00t | toggles_w: ..haha. | 01:57 |
| w00t | see you around | 01:57 |
| woglinde | but segfaults some times | 01:58 |
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| Macer | damn | 02:08 |
| Macer | i have to move 700G over 100mbit | 02:08 |
| Macer | i could finish reading the entire bible by the time it finishes | 02:08 |
| Macer | old and new :) | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | HUMPPA | 02:12 |
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| ShadowJK | ... | 02:14 |
| Proteous | never underestimate the bandwidth of a stationwagon full of harddrives | 02:16 |
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| inz | Proteous, or a kleinbus! | 02:19 |
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| inz | Why am I not asleep yet, got an exam in 7 hours and I need to wake up in 5... | 02:20 |
| javispedro | sleep! | 02:20 |
| inz | (the answer is project euler, but nevermind that) | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | inz, stop coding. | 02:20 |
| inz | I finally got 100th prob solved =) | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Proteous: Or a colon full of microSD. | 02:21 |
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| inz | Speed, we didn't need to hear that. | 02:22 |
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| dotblank | jebba, did you want to test jabber? | 02:23 |
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| Proteous | SpeedEvil: lol | 02:23 |
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| dotblank | did anyone notice when powering on you have to hold down the button and during that time the notification light slowly increases in brightness depending on how long you held it down? | 02:25 |
| jebba | dotblank: can test it whenever you'd like. | 02:25 |
| dotblank | jebba im going to conenct with my pidgin and call you and see what happens ok? | 02:26 |
| jebba | ok | 02:26 |
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| inz | dotblank, n810 used to do that too | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | dotblank: yes | 02:28 |
| jebba | dotblank: you gotta call freemoe900@gmail.com, the other one has a full FS | 02:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | inz: of course it has to be a large colon. At least 128 point, or microSD won't fit. Depends on the font too. | 02:28 |
| jebba | disconnected, i didnt hear anything | 02:29 |
| inz | Speed, :D | 02:29 |
| kamui___ | extas devel ok? | 02:29 |
| jebba | kamui___: you can try my mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/espejo-maemo-extras-devel.install | 02:30 |
| kamui___ | seems to be going up and down | 02:30 |
| kamui___ | or i have another repo issue | 02:30 |
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| kamui___ | not a space problem though | 02:31 |
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| jebba | dotblank: ok, that sounded like crap. That was via pidgin? | 02:31 |
| jebba | i did have a camera button appear in the interface when you called. | 02:31 |
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| jebba | are you downloading anything in the background? | 02:32 |
| dotblank | nope | 02:32 |
| jebba | you calling gmail or jabber? try the other. | 02:32 |
| dotblank | ok | 02:32 |
| jebba | that was the other fone (now with free space...) and same thing. i just dropped immediately | 02:33 |
| dotblank | let me try just voice | 02:33 |
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| dotblank | empathy | 02:35 |
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| pupnik | is there something convenient like mytube / zoutube for PC? don't want to install flash | 02:57 |
| [kamui] | anyone have the touch sceen vibration working 100percent? | 02:57 |
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| [kamui] | mine only seems o owrk radomly | 02:57 |
| pupnik | works here, but i disable to save the energy | 02:58 |
| ShadowJK | pupnik: I've been wondering that too :) | 03:01 |
| ShadowJK | if you find one let me know | 03:01 |
| pupnik | there's a youtube-dl.py script that i used to use | 03:02 |
| villager | pupnik: clive, youtube-dl | 03:02 |
| pupnik | is mytube simple enough to convert to standard linuxy python? | 03:03 |
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| ShadowJK | there are downloaders, yeah, but I actually like the mytube interface better than www.youtube :) | 03:03 |
| pupnik | mytube uses that youtube-dl btw | 03:04 |
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| * ShadowJK is watching stuff with mytub on n810 right now | 03:04 | |
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| ShadowJK | I love that it has "more by author" that can gather 50 vids in one search, in reverse chronological order | 03:05 |
| ShadowJK | the same thing on www.youtube is a 100 pixel wide cramped column on the user's page | 03:06 |
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| pupnik | mytube is running on desktop... wget http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/m/mytube/mytube_0.1.5-1_all.deb ... dpkg -X | 03:07 |
| pupnik | but it has some incompat problems | 03:07 |
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| ShadowJK | like? | 03:08 |
| pupnik | hmm well maybe this is something else | 03:09 |
| pupnik | File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/mytube/lgc/yclient.py", line 2, in <module> | 03:10 |
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| pupnik | import gdata | 03:10 |
| pupnik | ImportError: No module named gdata | 03:10 |
| * lucent waits for EDGE to take its sweet bloody time | 03:10 | |
| villager | python-gdata exists on my debian at least | 03:11 |
| pupnik | oh yes, checking deps would help, wouldn't it | 03:12 |
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| lucent | noticing the N900 sometimes loses the ability to make a GPRS connection and I need to reboot or it won't get a connection to associate | 03:16 |
| lucent | I can retry over and over but the connection does not work | 03:17 |
| lucent | reboot, and the connection is made without any problem | 03:18 |
| pupnik | ok works great! | 03:18 |
| pupnik | Mihai Iancu ty ty :) | 03:19 |
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| ShadowJK | lucent: sometimes going offline (via power menu) fixes | 03:24 |
| pupnik | i love the cell phone shut-offer applet | 03:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles wishes the lists were up so he could be productive. | 03:26 | |
| pupnik | grow veggies :P | 03:26 |
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| pupnik | is there a client api for ustream? | 03:39 |
| goodwill | pupnik: seriously the best applet ever | 03:39 |
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| goodwill | pupnik: I use it all the time | 03:39 |
| pupnik | :D happy i'm not the only one who likes it | 03:39 |
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| pupnik | sometimes i don't see a 2G/3G thing when turning it on again though | 03:40 |
| pupnik | not sure | 03:40 |
| goodwill | I never had that problem | 03:40 |
| goodwill | I forced mine to 2.5G | 03:41 |
| goodwill | and I see that all the time | 03:41 |
| goodwill | Also ... the Custome Operator Name widger | 03:41 |
| goodwill | widget is cool | 03:42 |
| goodwill | unless someone is traveling all the time and use roaming ... they do not need to see their operator name | 03:42 |
| goodwill | pupnik: what are your favorites apps | 03:43 |
| goodwill | ? | 03:43 |
| pupnik | hi um | 03:44 |
| pupnik | xterm, irssi, browser | 03:44 |
| ShadowJK | xterm, xchat, browser :) | 03:45 |
| pupnik | zoutube | 03:45 |
| ShadowJK | gpodder | 03:45 |
| pupnik | gpod... lol | 03:45 |
| goodwill | yup ... same here | 03:45 |
| goodwill | except zoutube | 03:45 |
| goodwill | also conboy | 03:45 |
| pupnik | maep | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | FBReader! | 03:46 |
| pupnik | yes fbreader too | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Catorise (though that's no app) | 03:46 |
| cehteh | 'phone' anyone? :) | 03:46 |
| pupnik | oh yeah camera | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, built-in doesn't count. | 03:46 |
| cehteh | hehe | 03:46 |
| cehteh | emacs .. but well i still dont have a device | 03:46 |
| pupnik | used phone a couple of times | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | me - | 03:47 |
| pupnik | oh no cehteh :( | 03:47 |
| pupnik | why not? | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | fbreader, awk, mplayer | 03:47 |
| ShadowJK | used phone once or twice.. could live without it though | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | angrybirds | 03:47 |
| cehteh | send my first one back and waiting for my pending order which is open since october or so | 03:47 |
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| goodwill | catorise is fantastic | 03:48 |
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| cehteh | dwimd ... | 03:48 |
| cehteh | hopeing that it becomes really usable soon | 03:49 |
| pupnik | hmm mytube includes a southpark module | 03:49 |
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| cehteh | cool stellarium ... | 03:50 |
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| cehteh | too bad that there is no compass .. stellarium with compass and accelerometer would be *awesome* | 03:51 |
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| ShadowJK | need to keep walking :) | 03:52 |
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| cehteh | well not good for stellaruim .. there a compass would make most sense | 03:53 |
| lcuk | not really life threatening tho | 03:53 |
| goodwill | hmmm ... there is a skype for pidgin plugin | 03:54 |
| goodwill | which is nice | 03:54 |
| goodwill | cause I never call using it ... but I IM all the time | 03:54 |
| pupnik | dwimd could be used to 'double-tap device to start voice recorder'? | 03:54 |
| * goodwill hates multiple apps doing the same thing | 03:54 | |
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| cehteh | pupnik: no | 04:02 |
| cehteh | mhm .. maybe .. with event system | 04:02 |
| cehteh | but its rather a general profile switcher | 04:02 |
| cehteh | not starting apps | 04:02 |
| pupnik | i wouldn't want two daemons monitoring motion | 04:03 |
| cehteh | why not? | 04:04 |
| cehteh | its all dbus events | 04:04 |
| pupnik | ah | 04:04 |
| pupnik | so they wouldn't be polling? | 04:04 |
| cehteh | dunno about the other one .. but dwimd iirc uses events for motion | 04:05 |
| pupnik | so any movement is an event, which triggers some code | 04:05 |
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| cehteh | it polls a lot other sensors but very slowly, dunno what xorAxAx now set ever 30 or 60 sec or so | 04:05 |
| cehteh | xorAxAx told me that dbus can sent a direction change as in face_down, portrait, landscape and so on | 04:06 |
| xorAxAx | any questions? :) | 04:06 |
| cehteh | xorAxAx: explain | 04:06 |
| xorAxAx | dbus only transports them | 04:06 |
| cehteh | i dont know the code yet | 04:06 |
| xorAxAx | i am busy coding my rpc framework | 04:06 |
| febb | hi ..anyone knows of a tutorial on how to use external memory (sd cards) on the N810 as to use that for applications storage (versus the main memory storage which is now full) ? | 04:07 |
| xorAxAx | pupnik: what should i explain? | 04:07 |
| xorAxAx | cehteh was correct | 04:07 |
| cehteh | just mount it and put it into patjh | 04:07 |
| pupnik | just wondering whether dwimd could be used to identify some 'gesture' to start recording audio | 04:07 |
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| cehteh | path | 04:07 |
| pupnik | without intensively working in background | 04:07 |
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| cehteh | pupnik: i tinhk we should rather focus on the slow profile changes | 04:07 |
| ShadowJK | ~clonetosd | 04:07 |
| xorAxAx | pupnik: nope thats not in the scope of it | 04:08 |
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| ShadowJK | aw :( | 04:08 |
| cehteh | the accelerometer can be programmed to send interrupts on taps | 04:08 |
| pupnik | that is very cool! | 04:08 |
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| cehteh | well i dont know how much maemo support of that | 04:08 |
| cehteh | and you dont want to reprogram the uC from a userspace app | 04:08 |
| ShadowJK | febb: basically you can clone the operating system to a memory card and boot from there. It's on wiki.maemo.org somewhere. I recommend backing up everything first. | 04:09 |
| pupnik | someone has used that to document some severe abuse and go to court with it | 04:09 |
| pupnik | double tapped iphone without being discovered | 04:09 |
| cehteh | xorAxAx: what component watches the acceelerometer and generates dbus events is that opensource? | 04:09 |
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| febb | ShadowJK, thanks ..will do a search for that on maemo.org... | 04:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | cehteh: The accelelrometer gerneates interrupts | 04:10 |
| ShadowJK | Clone to SD | 04:10 |
| ShadowJK | probably | 04:10 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: yes i know | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: I had it working a while back - I could see /proc/interrupts|grep lis going up | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - k | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | unno where it does | 04:10 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: the question is what component has the authority to set it up? | 04:10 |
| cehteh | i think it would be really bad if you reprogram it while some system daemon tries the same | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: I was pokinga around in the sys entry - to make a stupid logger | 04:11 |
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| cehteh | yeah .. reciepe for desaster or? | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | naah - it's serialised in the driver. Worse that will happen is it stops working | 04:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | the accel | 04:11 |
| cehteh | bead enough :) | 04:11 |
| cehteh | bad | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | also - nothing dangerous is on that bus worst case | 04:12 |
| cehteh | i tried that with the notification led driver which crashed the device | 04:12 |
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| ShadowJK | does it have ioctl's or something to program interrupt? | 04:12 |
| xorAxAx | cehteh: no idea, mce probably | 04:12 |
| cehteh | /sys | 04:12 |
| ShadowJK | and interface for userspace app to receive such events? | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: that's possibly killing mce | 04:12 |
| cehteh | exactly | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | dsmetool is used to start most daemons - and reboot the device | 04:13 |
| cehteh | would be nice if mce would be opensourced | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | if they crash too many times | 04:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | so you can simply edit init so that it's starting the daemon with the right flags through dsmetool - so it doesn't watch | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | and you can kill it | 04:13 |
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| cehteh | you can stop mce sanely .. but if it gets killed or dies then bad things happen | 04:14 |
| SpeedEvil | not if you start it initially witht he 'don't resurrect me | 04:14 |
| cehteh | ar least i restarted mce sometimes by stop mce; start mce .. dunno what happens when you stop it some extended time period | 04:15 |
| cehteh | is it vital in any way? .. or just watches on dbus events and so some ringing vibrating etc? | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 04:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've just been killing browserd to play with fennec | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | and ohter stuff | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | like worldclock | 04:16 |
| cehteh | hehe is fennec faster when you kill browserd because of more ram available? | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6615#c162 *SIGH* | 04:17 |
| povbot` | Bug 6615: Battery Dies Under 6 Hours with Very Moderate Use (Static IP?) | 04:17 |
| SpeedEvil | it's actually usable - I had 3 or 4 tabs open - and it was mostly OK | 04:17 |
| cehteh | haha | 04:17 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes he could get to sleep | 04:17 | |
| * cehteh had sometimes 5-10 microb windows open and it worked like a charm | 04:17 | |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - tabs are nice though | 04:19 |
| ShadowJK | doesn't browserd eventually get pushed out to swap anyway? that happens on n810 with tear... | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: mostly yes - however - I was trying to see what it would be like without memory pressure - not what it's like when it's got to push stuff out to swap | 04:20 |
| cehteh | it should | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | even if it doesn't crash | 04:20 |
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| goodwill | noknok.tv says another maemo device is comign this week | 04:28 |
| goodwill | thats just crazy | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | n900.1701d | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a combadge-shaped n900 | 04:28 |
| goodwill | hhehehee | 04:29 |
| goodwill | I got several friends who want a maemo based phone without a hardware keyboard | 04:29 |
| ShadowJK | combadge shaped headset controller would be cool... | 04:29 |
| goodwill | I told them to wait 6-8 months | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Though seriously - I've wondered for a while why they - paramount - don't do that | 04:29 |
| goodwill | SpeedEvil: its not enough that the bluetooth headsets make us look like borg | 04:30 |
| ShadowJK | the next maemo device will have compass, no gps, no keyboard, fixed usb host, fixed breaking usb port, and whatever else will make you scream and bash your head into a wall | 04:30 |
| ShadowJK | Nokia is good at making devices that fix shortcomings of previous devices and then cripple them | 04:31 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | or n900-us | 04:31 |
| goodwill | SpeedEvil: still got that openmoko :) | 04:31 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect more ram is what will get me to upgrade | 04:32 |
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| goodwill | I am kinda hoping eventually FSO will be mature enough to use | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | more RAM would be nice. Especially if it's reterofittable. | 04:32 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | (though with a soldering station) | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | goodwill: SHR? | 04:32 |
| goodwill | SpeedEvil: SHR is still not usuable IMHO | 04:33 |
| cehteh | ramzswap would be already a good start for the n900 .. | 04:33 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: also page merging | 04:33 |
| ShadowJK | POP surface mount soldering is insane at best... | 04:33 |
| goodwill | SpeedEvil: I occasionally reflash my freerunner to see how its going | 04:33 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: page merging not | 04:33 |
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| cehteh | that makes only sense for virtual servers and emulators and needs some CPU | 04:33 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: page merging is not automatic, it needs application support | 04:34 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: I had _very_ good results with it back in the day on a 8M machine | 04:34 |
| SpeedEvil | no, it doesn't. | 04:34 |
| cehteh | ah .. i meant the linux things | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | shr you should use testing | 04:34 |
| ShadowJK | do you mean page sharing? | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe HD2 is up to 1GB/512MB. | 04:34 |
| pupnik | I think it's funny that SMW ran choppy on SDL+N800 but runs smooth on the Atari 2600 | 04:34 |
| cehteh | linux has page merging since 2.6.31 (or was it .32?) | 04:35 |
| goodwill | DocScrutinizer: I need a usable phone though ... pretty much all openmoko distros are not stable enough | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/ulrich/mergemem/ | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | shr-t is supposed to be stable enough for bare bones daily use | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: It does? | 04:35 |
| cehteh | scanning through pages which are specially tagged, finds duplicates and merging them | 04:35 |
| cehteh | yes relative new thing | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I was even happy with stability of SHR-U_0808 | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: no - this is all pages - not specially tagged ones | 04:36 |
| cehteh | ok | 04:36 |
| goodwill | DocScrutinizer: I tried it last month ... still not usable enough for me | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | or rather - was | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: It's insane it's taken over a decade to get into the kernel. | 04:36 |
| cehteh | yes i a mspeaking about the mainline feature | 04:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | goodwill: unstable? bas FUBAR (and mostly still is) | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: recall teh name? | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/bas/was | 04:36 |
| cehteh | iirc its page merging | 04:36 |
| ShadowJK | oh that page sharing thing existed once before, and it'd been about 8m ram era :-) | 04:37 |
| cehteh | http://www.linux-kvm.com/content/using-ksm-kernel-samepage-merging-kvm | 04:37 |
| cehteh | ksm | 04:37 |
| goodwill | DocScrutinizer: usable ... not unstable | 04:37 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: also there was an allied concept - which was a really cool thing which was binary diffs against pages | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | goodwill: SJ | 04:37 |
| goodwill | dockane_: ? | 04:37 |
| goodwill | DocScrutinizer: ? | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | goodwill: SHR-Unstable vs SHR-testing | 04:38 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: ksm is rather to expensive for a embedded device with not enough benefit .. but thats just my guess | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: so you can diff instead of compressing - worked well in test results - but I've lost the paper | 04:38 |
| goodwill | DocScrutinizer: what I am saying is that its not usable enough for my needs :) | 04:38 |
| cehteh | while ramzswap is really cool i used it on my laptop | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: I doubt it - IIRC there is a signature engine in the CPU | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: Which would speed up mem comparison by orders of magnitude. | 04:38 |
| cehteh | maybe | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I asked: Unstable? of last month? ACK! Or did you test SHR-testing | 04:39 |
| goodwill | DocScrutinizer: testing ... sorry .. misunderstood | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | goodwill: hmm :-/ | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | goodwill: blame SHR devels at #openmoko-cdevel | 04:40 |
| goodwill | DocScrutinizer: nah ... its all right ... | 04:40 |
| goodwill | DocScrutinizer: I am not going to blame them ... unless I am helping | 04:40 |
| goodwill | which I am not | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | :D | 04:41 |
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| * goodwill is not a fan of whining about volunteer programmers who do what they can | 04:41 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah let's blame Nokia maemo devels instead :-D | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are clearly not supposed to be volunteers | 04:42 |
| goodwill | I actually think most nokia developed apps for maemo are pretty decent | 04:43 |
| goodwill | except for the gps issue | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: ah - it requires app support. | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: annoyingly. | 04:43 |
| goodwill | takes 5-15 minutes to lock on | 04:43 |
| goodwill | bug 7026 | 04:43 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026 Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view | 04:43 |
| ShadowJK | t-mobile? | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: (ksm) | 04:43 |
| goodwill | infobot: bug 7026 | 04:43 |
| cehteh | i saied that :) | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | bug 7026 | 04:44 |
| ShadowJK | someone should drop +R from channel modes, the bots are muted | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: yeah - mergemem just did it all. | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | povbot`: bug 7026 | 04:44 |
| povbot` | DocScrutinizer: Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026 Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | humm | 04:44 |
| ShadowJK | I needed the gps the other day.. it gave fine accuracy almost immediately.. | 04:45 |
| microlith | is there any documentation on trimming the available locales? | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-01-25 03:45:23] *** Kanalmodi: +ncR [2010-01-25 03:44:58] [Notice] -NickServ- povbot` is not registered. | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 04:45 |
| goodwill | ShadowJK: unfortunately if you look at 7026 you'll find out that its not true for everyone | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: could you please voice povbot | 04:46 |
| goodwill | DocScrutinizer: I think fremantle is 95% production ready | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yo | 04:46 |
| cehteh | mhm | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | the remaining 5% is what sucks | 04:47 |
| cehteh | for large numbers of 5% :) | 04:47 |
| goodwill | yup | 04:47 |
| goodwill | but I think thats true of most projects | 04:47 |
| ShadowJK | the things that annoy me the most are bugs that exist on their symbian range too :( | 04:48 |
| pupnik | i think i've seen enough suck to say that fremantle doesn't | 04:48 |
| * goodwill remembers when slackware, debian, redhat and others sucked | 04:48 | |
| goodwill | couple of years it got all straightened out | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually that's known by the name of 80/20 rule | 04:48 |
| cehteh | considering that everyone here paied about $500 or more to nikia only to improve some unfinished product its a bit bitter | 04:48 |
| goodwill | I barely ever curse out loud about deoencdency hell anymore | 04:48 |
| pupnik | yep | 04:49 |
| goodwill | cehteh: most people knew what they were getting into | 04:49 |
| cehteh | yeah | 04:49 |
| cehteh | but still | 04:49 |
| goodwill | so folsk paid $500 for freerunner too ... | 04:49 |
| goodwill | folks | 04:49 |
| ShadowJK | Certainly you should read the featurelist first, and expect nothing more | 04:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Or neo1973 | 04:49 |
| goodwill | comparing to the alternative ... its still very good | 04:49 |
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| cehteh | apple can say you pay premium for R&D .. but nokia just thinks the community will fix it | 04:50 |
| goodwill | 1st gen iPhone sucked completely | 04:50 |
| goodwill | it had something like 30% return rate if I recall correctly | 04:50 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if you could fit a Huawei E169 or something into a slightly bigger freerunner.. | 04:50 | |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yes | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, that's what makes the platform fun, though. | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, if I wanted a polished product that I had no say in I would've bought an iPhone. | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you bet you can | 04:51 |
| goodwill | of course I am a ex-slackware gentoo user ... | 04:52 |
| goodwill | so I am used to unpolished things | 04:52 |
| cehteh | GeneralAntilles: yes sure .. but some rebates/refound for developers and better understanding/support from the higher management/marketing would be nice .. i dont want to blame the nokia guys which are here the technicans try to do a good job | 04:52 |
| goodwill | btw, being able to see communication history for each contact is totally cool | 04:53 |
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| goodwill | its all sqlite dbs right? | 04:53 |
| ShadowJK | talking to it over usb would be so power inefficient though :D | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/FR+UMTS.jpg ;-D | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, they've distributed more than 700 discounted and loaner devices. | 04:53 |
| pupnik | hehe | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: could you please voice povbot | 04:54 |
| ShadowJK | And when sygic develops a competitor to Ovi Maps, Nokia steps in to make it a "star" product :) | 04:54 |
| cehteh | i thought only 300 .. well even 700 is not really much, and having some general discount/reward system would be nicer imo .. share with more people | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, to the Fremantle Stars, to several dozen community developers and contributors around September, 300 devices at the Summit, 180+ discounted devices to community contributors and many others at various other events and places. | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, you thought incorrectly. :) | 04:55 |
| cehteh | ah ok | 04:55 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o GeneralAntilles | 04:55 | |
| SpeedEvil | And those that abused coupons. | 04:55 |
| * SpeedEvil hugs coupons. | 04:55 | |
| *** GeneralAntilles sets mode: +v povbot` | 04:55 | |
| GeneralAntilles | bug #630 | 04:55 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630 Increased Bugzilla transparency - get the developers involved! | 04:55 |
| goodwill | bug 7026 | 04:56 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026 Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, that's the 180+ | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, Quim just got another batch to distribute to developers missed by the first few sweeps. | 04:56 |
| goodwill | I think having sygic doing their own maemo maps product is goood | 04:56 |
| goodwill | its choice | 04:56 |
| goodwill | ovi maps 1.0 is really, really sad | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Christ, Sygic. | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | let's see | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | bug 666 | 04:57 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666 Problems with Javascript setTimeout function | 04:57 |
| cehteh | maybe i should develop for maemo :P | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | They've ignored 3 of my emails to 3 different people over the past month. | 04:57 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 04:57 |
| ShadowJK | what have you asked them? | 04:57 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: no - not dev coupons - I mean nokia offer coupons totalling ~50% off in nokia.co.uk store. | 04:57 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: Or was that intended | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, to not abuse the maemo.org trademark for marketing purposes. | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, ah, that. | 04:58 |
| goodwill | ah yes | 04:58 |
| goodwill | GeneralAntilles: I though Maemo is the name | 04:58 |
| ShadowJK | their "maemo size restrictions" thing seems fishy... | 04:58 |
| * goodwill agrees | 04:59 | |
| ShadowJK | maybe they need >2gig per file | 04:59 |
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| goodwill | I do not buy the vfat is not good enough for storage | 04:59 |
| goodwill | there are always ways around that | 04:59 |
| goodwill | does WinMo use ntfs? | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodwill, they chopped up the maemo.org logo to use as a "maemo" logo. | 05:00 |
| ShadowJK | Wayfinder on N8x0 stored maps on vfat | 05:00 |
| goodwill | GeneralAntilles: I know ... but why is that wrong? | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodwill, because it's not a Maemo logo. | 05:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | goodwill, it's a maemo.org logo. | 05:00 |
| SpeedEvil | goodwill: not really - if you want a directly mountable filesystem that you can plug into most PCs | 05:00 |
| ShadowJK | but then they had one map per country, you had to switch between them manually | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodwill, removing the .org is an abuse of the trademark. | 05:00 |
| goodwill | GeneralAntilles: is there such thing as maemo logo? | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | goodwill, not really. | 05:01 |
| goodwill | GeneralAntilles: or is it just maemo.org logo? | 05:01 |
| ShadowJK | one file per map probably too. biggest was US maps at 2 gigs.. | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Arguably "Maemo" in the Nokia font. | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not really. | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is part of the problem. | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that doesn't mean Sygic gets to abuse OUR logo for their marketing purposes. | 05:01 |
| goodwill | right | 05:01 |
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| goodwill | GeneralAntilles: put up a sticky on talk.maemo.org ... I think this should draw enough flaming :) | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4th email in 1.5 months sent. . . . | 05:02 |
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| ShadowJK | please don't poke the stinking dungpile, it gets worse | 05:03 |
| goodwill | anyone here have their n900 encased in a thick case? and if so? what? | 05:03 |
| SpeedEvil | goodwill: I got a cheap one on ebay | 05:03 |
| cehteh | goodwill: me, my self build one | 05:03 |
| goodwill | SpeedEvil: its kinda like barely rubberized? | 05:03 |
| goodwill | cause thats what I have | 05:03 |
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| goodwill | I kinda want one with more rubber | 05:04 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories | 05:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | goodwill: no - clear plastic | 05:04 |
| goodwill | SpeedEvil: a thick case? | 05:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | not really | 05:05 |
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| goodwill | PDAir one is what I have | 05:05 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3X-HARD-CRYSTAL-CLEAR-SILICONE-CASE-FOR-NOKIA-N900_W0QQitemZ280443343101QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches?hash=item414bb9d0fd | 05:05 |
| SpeedEvil | not great - but works | 05:05 |
| mtnbkr | the photoshopping of that ebay image is not great either. :) hurts my eyes | 05:07 |
| goodwill | I have the zagg shield ... but its nto the same as the case | 05:07 |
| cehteh | goodwill: http://git.pipapo.org/n900case/n900_shell.html | 05:07 |
| * ShadowJK has a zagg shield... in the unopened envelope it came in.. | 05:07 | |
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| goodwill | cehteh: damn ... | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | mtnbkr: it is not actually really photoshopped | 05:08 |
| cehteh | http://lumiera.org/n900_case1.jpg ...case4.jpg | 05:08 |
| SpeedEvil | (well - other than the overlaid text) | 05:08 |
| cehteh | thats the prototype, looks bit ugly | 05:08 |
| microlith | hmm | 05:09 |
| microlith | anyone know how to shorten the list of available languages in the language & region panel? | 05:09 |
| cehteh | deinstall them maybe? | 05:10 |
| microlith | I don't think they're installed as packages... | 05:10 |
| cehteh | many are but you dont see them in the application manager | 05:11 |
| cehteh | and you can brick your device when you do something wrong there :P | 05:12 |
| microlith | I know that | 05:12 |
| microlith | nothing a reflash won't fix :P | 05:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | so 'bricking' for sure is the wrong word | 05:12 |
| microlith | I'd be more brave with a JTAG, but alas... | 05:12 |
| cehteh | well for some users its bricked when it doesnt work as normal | 05:13 |
| microlith | hmm | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've seen FR bricked by cheap USB car charger | 05:14 |
| microlith | hmm | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | which makes me wonder... is there any info about what N900 can cope with on the usb? Thinking of surges, overvoltage etc | 05:15 |
| microlith | DocScrutinizer: probably nothing special | 05:15 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: well - the PMU datasheet is there. | 05:15 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It's even longer than the one in the FR | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah right. I forgot | 05:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | cable with 10W 5.6V zener... | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | well the "old" nokias have a reputation of being rock solid wrt mistreating their charger circuit. I seen 6210 just saying "wrong charger" when I accidentally hooked up a 12V powersupply to the 5V barrel receptacle | 05:18 |
| goodwill | DocScrutinizer: HAHAHAHAHA | 05:18 |
| cehteh | charging over micro-usb is now a standard, the electrical specs should be googleable | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not a ziphead | 05:19 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer: It would accept 10V if the 10V source had 100mA or so current limit :) | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas the specs are quite unforgiving | 05:19 |
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| cehteh | well they define some sane limits .. | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yoh like 5.5V ABS MAX | 05:20 |
| cehteh | hey .. maybe hook your n900 directly to a car battery and report about it | 05:20 |
| ShadowJK | or atleast the 2mm devices would, the 3.5mm ones are slightly different and without specs | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: they do not however say what the actual extremes of the components used are. | 05:21 |
| ShadowJK | 1hz PWM charge regulation for the win | 05:21 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: Some PMU chips can in fact take 12V - for example | 05:21 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: i am sure i dont want to find that out :) | 05:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I will pay for any device destroyed in testing power supplies. | 05:21 |
| SpeedEvil | 5 dollars, and postage. | 05:22 |
| cehteh | lol | 05:22 |
| ShadowJK | (the pwm is also why 2mm nokia's have upper current limit on the psu charging it) | 05:22 |
| cehteh | the charger does 1.2A at 5 volts .. | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | now look at this: /usr/share/sounds/ui-wrong_charger.wav | 05:23 |
| cehteh | well anyone knows if there are some electronics in this charge adapter which ships with it? | 05:23 |
| cehteh | just a zener .. or only current breaker .. nothing at all just meachanical adapter? | 05:24 |
| cehteh | or even some pwm regulator? | 05:24 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: lotsd | 05:24 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: it's a switching regulator of some sort | 05:24 |
| mtnbkr | DocScrutinizer: speaking of sounds... can I replace the defauly IM notfication in that dir with something else. It's an aac file (and a few others in there are) and audacity tells me it cant open them (DRM etc) | 05:24 |
| cehteh | well then i expect it at worst to fry the adapter but not the phine | 05:24 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: with quite a lot of protection stuff - I have it open on my bench - I need to desolder the heatsink so I can see the rest of it | 05:24 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: that is not unlikely - but not certain | 05:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure that the stuff I saw was in fact protection - I could be wrong | 05:25 |
| cehteh | i planned to charge on my bike from dynamo maybe i use it for that | 05:25 |
| SpeedEvil | really bad idea generally. | 05:25 |
| cehteh | rectifier in front, big cap, and let the regulator do the rest | 05:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Regulated 5V only | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | mtnbkr: no idea | 05:26 |
| SpeedEvil | 7805 is your friend | 05:26 |
| SpeedEvil | (with a heatsink) | 05:26 |
| cehteh | too much loss | 05:26 |
| cehteh | for my gps i made a very simple (1 diode, half wave only), big cap, low-drop linear regulator thing | 05:27 |
| cehteh | works nice | 05:27 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: So use a peak power tracking SMPS | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | darn 4:30 | 05:28 |
| cehteh | problem is when you drive slowly the voltage is too low for a linar regulator and a bridge rectifier doesnt really improve that: P | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | auto-step-u/down converter | 05:28 |
| ShadowJK | need a boost and buck circuit :) | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | is the magic word | 05:29 |
| cehteh | some step up regulator which just provides enough voltage for a linear regulator without much loss would be nice | 05:29 |
| cehteh | yeah | 05:29 |
| ShadowJK | there are shitloads of them on dealextreme, ready boards, but they're all constant current rather than constant voltage :( | 05:29 |
| ShadowJK | for flashlight diy :/ | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are converters that take an input range up to 30..100% and crate arbitrary output voltage from that | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9275 | 05:30 |
| cehteh | yes, current regulation is much easier (actually thats what you get on a free running circruit) | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | it's not really that. | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | it's just that teh IC in the boards is setup to do current | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | It can do either | 05:31 |
| cehteh | i am not that much in electronics .. | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | the above is a simple converter - efficient. | 05:31 |
| cehteh | the question for me is rather whats the lowest current it can use for charging | 05:32 |
| cehteh | i certainly dont want to charge at 1.2A from a bike dynamo :) | 05:32 |
| ShadowJK | 100mA works.. | 05:32 |
| cehteh | yeah something in the 100-200 ma range would be sane | 05:33 |
| cehteh | mhm normal usb without power aquisition is only 50ma or? | 05:33 |
| ShadowJK | 100 | 05:33 |
| cehteh | thats fine | 05:33 |
| cehteh | should just suffice to extend the battery life | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's wrong with 500mA from bike dynamo? | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | even with 1A? | 05:34 |
| cehteh | light gets darker | 05:34 |
| SpeedEvil | realistically. Replace bike light with LED, run that off a battery charged off the 5V bus | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you have it hoked up all the time it won't draw constant 1A | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's more like a few 100 mA | 05:35 |
| cehteh | i have led bike light .. and center dynamo | 05:35 |
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| cehteh | i just dont like to be on battery because sometimes i make long bike tours | 05:36 |
| ShadowJK | I opened up my tekkeon today thinking of shorting datapins | 05:37 |
| ShadowJK | damn case was actually glued or something :) | 05:37 |
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| cehteh | i think about adding switch for shortening them there | 05:38 |
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| cehteh | either light+100ma or more power for charging with light off | 05:38 |
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| * DocScrutinizer considers to start a business with decent bike power manager | 05:40 | |
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| ShadowJK | heh | 05:41 |
| cehteh | hehe .. you are doomed by german laws :P | 05:41 |
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| cehteh | but really .. i would buy one | 05:42 |
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| cehteh | add some accus which one can stuff into the bike tube .. | 05:42 |
| cehteh | (i did that once 6x Mignon) | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah good idea | 05:42 |
| cehteh | no external case | 05:43 |
| cehteh | mignon is enough when you have a good charge circruit .. | 05:43 |
| ShadowJK | mignon = aa? | 05:44 |
| cehteh | provide 6v for light 5v for gadgets .. a simple controler | 05:44 |
| cehteh | yes | 05:44 |
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| cehteh | controler == light and motion sensor, having 2 or 3 swithcable channels .. maybe a small 7segemnt lcd for charge status | 05:45 |
| ShadowJK | I'd much rather have LiIon batteries for taking charge from "unreliable" source | 05:46 |
| cehteh | maybe power-caps would be even better .. | 05:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LiIon still not robust enough | 05:47 |
| ShadowJK | LiMn or LiFePo? | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | goldcaps have much too low engry density | 05:47 |
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| cehteh | depends .. you dont want to power a cigarette lighter at the stop light or? | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | LiFePo would be better but still | 05:48 |
| ShadowJK | With varying charge current you'll have major issues detecting end-of-charge on nimh and end up overcharging.. | 05:49 |
| cehteh | 6 or more big gold-caps in parallel give quite some bang | 05:49 |
| cehteh | and you can stack them .. scales with the money you want to invest | 05:49 |
| microlith | ok that had me worried | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: same holds true for LiIon | 05:49 |
| cehteh | their reliabilty is really good | 05:49 |
| * microlith read LiFePo as Lithium Iron Polonium | 05:49 | |
| cehteh | microlith: lol | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehe | 05:50 |
| cehteh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator | 05:50 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer: well you know 4.2V is full. Or 4.1V if you want to be gentle. And you know the max current you can dump in them. | 05:50 |
| cehteh | note the pic of the glowing plutonium block | 05:50 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: consider environment conditions on a bike .. hot in sun, freezing in winter, wet in rain .. | 05:51 |
| ShadowJK | But with nimh, end of charge causes Voltage /drop/, but if your charge current drops, the the voltage drops too.. | 05:51 |
| ShadowJK | ah, I didn't consider sun. I live in .fi after all :-) | 05:52 |
| cehteh | i really think about the gold-cap thing .. you basically dont need a charge regulator, they last for years and dont age much, | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: friggin shiiiiiit | 05:52 |
| cehteh | i only need them to power a device at a stop .. | 05:53 |
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| kamui__ | anyone with a US N900 map the tab and esc keys successfully? | 05:53 |
| kamui__ | each attempt seems to just break keys fo rme | 05:53 |
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| cehteh | kamui_: i did on a german n900 .. shift-return = esc shift-space = tab | 05:54 |
| shinkamui | cehteh, mind giving me a hand? | 05:54 |
| shinkamui | I want that exact config | 05:54 |
| shinkamui | then home/end/pu/pdown on the arrows | 05:54 |
| cehteh | i tinhk i lost it .. i have no device currently and iirc thats one thing i didnt back up because it was so simple :P | 05:55 |
| shinkamui | youch | 05:55 |
| * cehteh looks in his backup | 05:55 | |
| microlith | shinkamui: I had it set up on mine before the last firmware push | 05:56 |
| cehteh | there are instructions on tmo | 05:56 |
| shinkamui | I used some links off of links off of the thread | 05:57 |
| cehteh | /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 | 05:57 |
| shinkamui | I think its my shift states that are bad | 05:57 |
| shinkamui | I scrapped the bad config and im starting over | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (end-of-charge) othing you couldn't handle quite smart enough with a small atmel and a few FETs and other birdseed | 05:58 |
| cehteh | note that this files are case sensitive iirc | 05:58 |
| ShadowJK | docscrutinizer: it's still damn complex. Charge efficiency varies with charge current, which makes coloumb counting hard/impossible, and voltage has no modelable relationship to charge level | 06:00 |
| cehteh | mhm DocScrutinizer so goldcaps dont really convince you? :) | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: you need 50* the volume of NiMH | 06:00 |
| ShadowJK | The best thing I've seen so far, is to use a Li-Ion charge algorithm tweaked for a specific well-studied and wellknown battery, such as the Sanyo Eneloop. | 06:01 |
| cehteh | i am satisfied with 1/50 of the capacity | 06:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | Umm. | 06:01 |
| SpeedEvil | eneloop is NiMH | 06:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I thought not exactly about CC | 06:01 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: yes | 06:01 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: charging is no issue, and you can suck them out with a ACAC converter | 06:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Shad: ol - wasn't keeping up. | 06:02 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: so 1.48V instead of 4.2V, and max 1C rate. Some people swear by it. | 06:02 |
| cehteh | if it can give me 100ma for lets say 5 minutes i am fine | 06:02 |
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| ShadowJK | The eneloop is remarkably high quality and consistent. With other brands doing cc/cv would give pretty random results even with batteries from same batch | 06:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | 30VAs | 06:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's roundabout 30F | 06:03 |
| cehteh | i only use eneloops here anymore .. all others are crap compared to them | 06:03 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 06:04 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: especially counting the discharge rate | 06:04 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: thats doable with latest generation and putting some in parallel | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 06:04 |
| SpeedEvil | but pointlessly expensive. | 06:04 |
| ShadowJK | They must be good, when everyone is putting massive efforts into making as authentic looking counterfeits as possible | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | also yup | 06:04 |
| SpeedEvil | On a bike - I'd just ignore it, and put on a 1Kg lead-acid to power stuff. | 06:05 |
| SpeedEvil | With a shunt regulator. | 06:05 |
| cehteh | hehe | 06:05 |
| cehteh | you dont live near mountains, dont you? | 06:05 |
| ShadowJK | Some even go as far as using GS Yuasa LSD nimh cells for their eneloop counterfeit manufacture | 06:05 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: not really | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | LSD? cooool | 06:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | cehteh: electric bike - and tap the bat. | 06:06 |
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| ShadowJK | Low Self Discharge | 06:06 |
| cehteh | and you dont do 100km+ bike tours through mountains | 06:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | cehteh: fair enough. In that case, 20Wh or so of li-ion. | 06:07 |
| ShadowJK | "ready to use" or "precharged" by marketing | 06:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | ~100g | 06:07 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: reichelt single 22F!! gold cap cost 5,70 Eur | 06:07 |
| ShadowJK | There are 3 manufacturers, Gold Peak, GS Yuasa and Sanyo. The Sanyo variety is superior. Duracell precharged used to be sanyo before they switched to gp or yuasa | 06:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yahyah but no 6V type, no? | 06:08 |
| cehteh | eh no :) .. | 06:08 |
| cehteh | but i planned some in parallel anyways .. and 6v might be not enouh mhm dynamo can (err, will) deliver more if you dont limit it .. and why heat energy away | 06:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | How much does that dynamo weigh? | 06:10 |
| cehteh | dunno | 06:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd seriously wonder about nuking it and simply replacing it with the equivalent weright in li-ion. | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 20Wh LiuIon cost more than gold | 06:10 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: err - not really. | 06:11 |
| cehteh | mhm .. gold caps in series gives me some bad feeling .. | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: and half the capacity for 2 in series :-P | 06:12 |
| cehteh | yeah | 06:12 |
| cehteh | ok lets wait some years until technology improved | 06:12 |
| cehteh | iirc there are already some much better ones but i dont know where you can order them and what they cost | 06:13 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3E-10C-11-1V-1800mAH-Li-poly-Rechargeable-Battery_W0QQitemZ180423115691QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRadio_Control_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2a020e43ab | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I heard of a electric Tram that can go 40km without electric wire, has goldcap storage | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | was in news last week | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | or was it 4km? | 06:14 |
| shinkamui | well | 06:14 |
| shinkamui | I am a twit cehteh | 06:14 |
| ShadowJK | BYD's electric goes 300km on LiFePo4 :) | 06:14 |
| shinkamui | the key to making it work | 06:14 |
| shinkamui | was not trying while drunk :) | 06:14 |
| shinkamui | got it all working | 06:14 |
| shinkamui | 2 seconds | 06:14 |
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| cehteh | http://www.maxwell.com/ultracapacitors/products/large-cell/bcap0650.asp 3kF .. *cough* | 06:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Though if it was me, yes, I'd go lifep04 | 06:15 |
| SpeedEvil | and very uncheap | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | whaaaaat? | 06:15 |
| shinkamui | is it possible to make a deb onboard | 06:15 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: bit biggier :) | 06:16 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC for the same peak power, you get a123 class lifepo4 bats - with much more total energy - and about the same price | 06:16 |
| SpeedEvil | But a123 cells are also cheap on ebay | 06:16 |
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| * pupnik has a bike with 40 lbs of lifepo4 | 06:16 | |
| SpeedEvil | funky. | 06:17 |
| pupnik | whirr whirr | 06:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it do wheelies? | 06:17 |
| pupnik | for when the car goes bye bye | 06:17 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: well 0.51 kg for a 2.7V 3kF cap .. :) | 06:18 |
| cehteh | and better dont ask for the price | 06:18 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Are you http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/shumaker/default.htm ? | 06:18 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC it's $200 or so | 06:19 |
| SpeedEvil | when I priced them | 06:19 |
| shinkamui | hey pupnik | 06:19 |
| shinkamui | whats going on | 06:19 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: though not lifepo4 IIRC | 06:19 |
| pupnik | sexy bike, but you are hamburger in an accident | 06:19 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: indeed. | 06:19 |
| pupnik | i prefer to fly over the hood when i get sidesmacked at 27mph | 06:19 |
| * SpeedEvil has a design for a hoverboard. Alas without significant funding it will never materialise. | 06:20 | |
| SpeedEvil | 1.2m*1.2m 50Kg or so. 5 minute duration, maximum about 5km | 06:20 |
| SpeedEvil | altitude | 06:20 |
| ShadowJK | 5km will get you in FAA land | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 06:21 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 06:21 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 06:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Damn beurocrats. | 06:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | I will just add instructions to under no circumstances press the large red button. Then it's not my problem. | 06:22 |
| ShadowJK | there's a youtube video of some finn with wingsuit and jetboots jumping from a hotair balloon | 06:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if FAA also rules humans, or just vehicles only ;-P | 06:22 | |
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| SpeedEvil | (200 teeny electric ducted fans - 100KW of batteries - and an insane person on top) | 06:23 |
| pupnik | if you want affordable power, this isn't bad. http://visforvoltage.org/video/video-type/6688 | 06:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer also wondrs what the radar signature will look like | 06:23 | |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer do it far inland so you don't get SM-1 joining you when you run out of battery ;D | 06:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf SM-1 | 06:25 |
| infobot | usage: wtf <foo>. | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~idiot | 06:25 |
| infobot | idiot is, like, you | 06:25 |
| ShadowJK | the stuff aegis lobs at incoming ballistic missiles | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure would change the radar signature significantly | 06:28 |
| ShadowJK | yes, it'd more resemble chaff after it joins you :) | 06:29 |
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| pupnik | going back to unaliased, well-designed fonts in terminal is 'aaaah' | 06:33 |
| pupnik | maybe it's just those sharp edges for eyes to focus on | 06:34 |
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| ShadowJK | :) | 06:35 |
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| odin_ | ah good... the maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh installs the original SDK :) (not the latested one) | 06:43 |
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| odin_ | what does the Xephyr "-kb" option do ? | 06:47 |
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| odin_ | Xnest had "-kb disable the X Keyboard Extension" is this extension now called XKEYBOARD or has it been obsoleted? xorg-x11-server-Xephyr-1.7.4-1.fc12.x86_64 does not support an -kb cmdline option | 06:56 |
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| jebba | odin_: drop -kb, you'll be fine | 06:59 |
| jebba | odin_: how do you know it's not a more recent one? Should likely grab one from mid january | 07:00 |
| odin_ | jebba, wasn't Xnest the original ? in the XFree86 days | 07:00 |
| jebba | perhaps | 07:00 |
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| jebba | think its still around tho | 07:01 |
| jebba | anyway, i've run it without -kb on fedora fine | 07:01 |
| jebba | odin_: you doing this in fedora? | 07:01 |
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| odin_ | I tried "-extension XKEYBOARD" and it says it can not be disabled so maybe "xkb" is an older extension (that is long gone) | 07:01 |
| odin_ | yup F12 | 07:01 |
| jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/SDK check that, for some f12 info, btw | 07:02 |
| odin_ | got a major font issue tho, upgraded from FC4 to F12 | 07:02 |
| jebba | ya, clean upgrade i bet. | 07:02 |
| odin_ | sure as always for me, kept putting it off year after year lol, until things I want to run no longer run (due to glibc recent symbol version linkage) | 07:03 |
| jebba | vlc didn't want to compile due to buggy old glibc.... | 07:03 |
| jebba | so i kind of just building around that... | 07:03 |
| jebba | for maemo, i'm talking | 07:03 |
| odin_ | what version does it want ? | 07:04 |
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| jebba | configure: error: Buggy GNU/libc (version 2.5 - 2.7) present. | 07:05 |
| jebba | "Alternatively, build with --disable-nls --disable-mozilla and be sure to not use LibVLC from other applications/wrappers" | 07:05 |
| jebba | http://www.fonearena.com/blog/2010/01/24/n900-running-maemo-and-android.html supposedly android running on n900 | 07:09 |
| tonyyarusso | So apparently the build of irssi in the repos was compiled without script support. Does anyone know where I could get a maemo package of irssi with /script? | 07:09 |
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| tonyyarusso | (N810) | 07:10 |
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| odin_ | nokia-binaries has 2 versions... 5.0+0 and 5.0+1 but the maemo-version has 4 versions, how do they relate? | 07:12 |
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| odin_ | jebba, I could not get maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py to work for me, it just hangs when run (I think it does some dbus msg to the desktop and waits, forever) but I am using current wizard.py script, do you have the original script your Wiki page patch relates to ? | 07:21 |
| odin_ | jebba, maybe you can copy to my $HOME on freemoe (if its already on that box) | 07:23 |
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| jebba | just run the script, not the wizard. | 07:31 |
| jebba | the wizard kjust puts up a lame gui | 07:31 |
| odin_ | yep I got past it, just trying to provide feedback (for the next person) | 07:31 |
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| jebba | maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh <-- use taht | 07:31 |
| odin_ | its all working exception I have not installed nokia-binaries yet, yep and me on maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh | 07:32 |
| odin_ | s/exception/except/ | 07:32 |
| infobot | odin_ meant: its all working except I have not installed nokia-binaries yet, yep and me on maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh | 07:32 |
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| jebba | VLC hopefully coming up real-soon-now :) | 07:33 |
| * Stskeeps dislikes 6:30am times from his timezone | 07:33 | |
| jebba | ah, good morning and good luck! | 07:35 |
| jebba | it's 7:30 | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | i know | 07:36 |
| jebba | good ,) | 07:36 |
| jebba | ah, you were earlier before gotcha ;) | 07:36 |
| jebba | just didnt want you to be an hour late! | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | woke up at 6:30 local time and my head was pounding. luxury of getting up late when working from home really beats me atm | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:36 |
| jebba | ah, at least you woke up heh | 07:37 |
| jebba | sw_rst is the watchdog or something else? | 07:37 |
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| Stskeeps | software watchdog, like, for apps | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 07:38 |
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| shamus | anyone know of a good geocron for the n800 as the stock clock app is a bit anoying in that it dose not show the line of termination | 07:39 |
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| odin_ | where is Stskeeps off to today ? | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | in .fi | 07:41 |
| jebba | http://wiki.maemo.org/Troubleshooting_boot_issues | 07:41 |
| jebba | sw_rst Software reset (critical system application crashing or being killed by the kernel OOM-killer) | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: basically DSME rebooting cos things are crashing way too much | 07:42 |
| jebba | hmm, wonder why it thinks that. Someone trying to do NAT gets that. | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | it should say what app too in /var/lib/dsme or something | 07:43 |
| jebba | basically when they try to push a lot of traffic thru it, it resets | 07:43 |
| jebba | he reported that didnt have anything relevant | 07:43 |
| jebba | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=493028 | 07:43 |
| ShadowJK | kernel oops? | 07:43 |
| jebba | not sure | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | not a kernel oops | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | well, might be deep down but sw_rst is a app crashing over and over again | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | that was started with dsmetool | 07:44 |
| odin_ | do you only get a kernel opps with crash-reporter installed ? i.e. is it hidden for a normal user (even to log files) ? | 07:44 |
| jebba | i can get a crash trying to ffmpeg -i /dev/video1 ;9 | 07:44 |
| ShadowJK | iirc in that crashy n900 bugzilla bug someone said sw_rst happens after kernel oops too | 07:45 |
| ShadowJK | and /var/lib/dsme remains unchanged | 07:45 |
| ShadowJK | but opps appended to circular buffer in /dev/mtd2 iirc | 07:45 |
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| goodwill | the number of entries on "oohh android and maemo dual boots" is increasing exponentially!!! | 08:20 |
| goodwill | checking #maemo on twitter is like opening a closet door and having them all fall out on top of you | 08:21 |
| goodwill | I do not really get why people are excited about it | 08:21 |
| goodwill | there are more then enough android phones | 08:22 |
| goodwill | the appeal of n900 is that its not flipping android but instead a proper linux disto with x and what not | 08:22 |
| goodwill | it will only be exciting when android apps will run natively on maemo ... | 08:23 |
| cehteh | i dont think so | 08:26 |
| cehteh | people wont write proper apps then and just push the android stuff to maemo | 08:26 |
| MistaED | cool dual boot, could come handy for developing to both maemo and android without buying another device | 08:27 |
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| Trizt | goodwill, from 1 to 2, then 4 who say oohh? | 08:30 |
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| RST38h | 0 (Operation timed out)) | 08:38 |
| RST38h | *** Signoff: konttori () | 08:38 |
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| goodwill | Trizt: all the people posting about on twitter | 08:39 |
| RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/2010-01-24motosplit.jpg | 08:39 |
| RST38h | Finally, an E70 replacement =) | 08:40 |
| goodwill | RST38h: interesting idea ... but IMHO: laying the phone down on a table and typing on it like this ... will be give you one hell of a neck crap | 08:40 |
| Trizt | goodwill; you shouldn't care about twitter, it's proven it dummyfys people | 08:40 |
| RST38h | You are not supposed to lay it down on the table | 08:40 |
| RST38h | You hold it in both hands and type | 08:41 |
| goodwill | Trizt: I do not ... I just find it amusing | 08:41 |
| Trizt | just wait a couple of months and it's dead | 08:41 |
| goodwill | Trizt: eh ... stupid things live on forever | 08:42 |
| goodwill | Trizt: case in point ... human race ;) | 08:42 |
| Trizt | bumblebees are another, they too stupid to understand they can't fly | 08:43 |
| goodwill | here is a good idea: different vibrate pattern for calendar reminder vs phone call | 08:44 |
| * Trizt nods | 08:45 | |
| RST38h | "Vote for quick release of Maemo 6 (N900 PR 1.1 disappointing)" tmo member, join date... | 08:46 |
| RST38h | Jan 2010! | 08:46 |
| Trizt | and new setup of colours for the calendar too, 3 pinks are a bit too much | 08:46 |
| thresh | :)) | 08:46 |
| thresh | moroning | 08:46 |
| RST38h | yea, that describes the process pretty well | 08:46 |
| goodwill | is android J2ME or J2SE? | 08:48 |
| goodwill | I find it highly amusing that MS managed to miss the mobile devices train ... | 08:51 |
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| RST38h | Android is Android | 08:52 |
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| shamus | ms tryed with wince | 08:55 |
| shamus | and failed | 08:55 |
| goodwill | all hail their licensing policies | 08:56 |
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| RST38h | they have got pretty good licensing policies | 08:56 |
| RST38h | cheap | 08:56 |
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| pwnguin | interesting | 08:57 |
| shamus | i had an only pocket pc and it sucked. | 08:57 |
| shamus | old | 08:57 |
| goodwill | RST38h: from what a buddy of mine told me ... it was a night mare to trying to get information out of them ... and that various components they needed to use required modification to the licensing contracts | 08:57 |
| pwnguin | http://www.outflux.net/blog/archives/2010/01/24/google-is-wardriving/ | 08:57 |
| goodwill | they were forced to stop wince development | 08:57 |
| shamus | i find it sad/funny that my garmin gps rund wince | 08:58 |
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| pwnguin | shamus: i dont | 08:59 |
| shamus | i allways did like grant os better | 08:59 |
| goodwill | shamus: mine runs linux | 08:59 |
| pwnguin | shamus: their older stuff ran GarminOS | 08:59 |
| FIQ | wince/winmobile/winphone.. | 08:59 |
| goodwill | shamus: they have a couple of gps devices based on linux | 09:00 |
| * pwnguin lives within eyeshot of garmin | 09:00 | |
| FIQ | they've good apps but the os sucks | 09:00 |
| FIQ | that's what i've heard | 09:00 |
| FIQ | (i had never tried one) | 09:00 |
| pwnguin | garmin's too tied to avionics to invest enough in a consumer device | 09:00 |
| shamus | persionaly i like the old megilins | 09:00 |
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| shamus | so true | 09:01 |
| pwnguin | which is why their linux phone is full of fail | 09:01 |
| goodwill | garmin has a linux phone? | 09:01 |
| pwnguin | yes | 09:02 |
| shamus | archos makes some nice pmp's biut dam there customer suport is horible | 09:02 |
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| shamus | had the battery on my 604wifi all but explode on me | 09:03 |
| jX | has anyone compiled kismet for maemo 5 yet? | 09:03 |
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| pwnguin | i guess they're moving towards android | 09:04 |
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| pwnguin | goodwill: the g60 is supposedly a linux phone | 09:05 |
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| v2px | D: i cant get the sdk+ to show me something other than a blank screen in Xephyr | 09:12 |
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| tonyyarusso | So apparently the build of irssi in the repos was compiled without script support. Does anyone know where I could get a maemo package of irssi with /script? | 09:19 |
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| cehteh | prolly for some purpose .. because scripts may drain battery | 09:30 |
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| Myrtti | moar painkillers! | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | morn Myrtti | 10:02 |
| Myrtti | mrh | 10:03 |
| tybollt | moar! | 10:03 |
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| jebba | mailday monday when they turn SMTP service back up. | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | mail goes out monday to saturday, duh ;p | 10:08 |
| tybollt | I like that | 10:08 |
| tybollt | I'll start shutting down the mx and smtp on fridays | 10:09 |
| tybollt | then start them monday morning >:) | 10:09 |
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| jebba | i think that's how they're set up. Would be interesting to plot mails against dates ;) | 10:09 |
| jebba | s/dates/days | 10:10 |
| tybollt | jebba "they"? | 10:10 |
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| jebba | how they are set up (the mail servers) | 10:10 |
| jebba | ah, ya, the one mail server heh | 10:10 |
| jebba | why would you need two? | 10:10 |
| jebba | l$ host -t mx maemo.org | 10:11 |
| jebba | maemo.org mail is handled by 1 smtp01.wmfi.net. | 10:11 |
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| Stskeeps | wmfi? | 10:11 |
| jebba | www.wmfi.net finally pushed my million firefox tabs over the edge. There is no www.wmfi.net | 10:11 |
| jebba | beats me | 10:12 |
| jebba | Infra Solutions Finland, Logica | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | wm data finland | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | of course | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | (now logica) | 10:12 |
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| `0660 | i think they had to change their name, because they did too much shitty software under the old name | 10:13 |
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| `0660 | the -> their | 10:13 |
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| mece | hello maemites | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | aren't we maemoians? | 10:15 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, oh right. silly me. | 10:15 |
| inz | I'm a maeme | 10:15 |
| inz | (plural: maemee) | 10:16 |
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| jebba | "Following a fall in its share price, Logica executives took the unusual step of meeting over the weekend" wow. Very unusual to do things over the weekend at Logica I guess. | 10:16 |
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| mece | hahaha | 10:17 |
| `0660 | in finland people are not expected to work over 40 hours per week :) | 10:20 |
| mece | I work 32.625 hours a week. | 10:21 |
| hd1 | in my industry, 35 hours/week is the norm | 10:21 |
| `0660 | and unless you are in quite high level, you are generally paid about 50% more for overtime | 10:21 |
| tybollt | I heard something about convenient stores not being open in weekends in finland? | 10:22 |
| `0660 | i think that is changing just now | 10:22 |
| mece | they are, but not very long | 10:22 |
| tybollt | oh? | 10:22 |
| tybollt | ok then | 10:22 |
| jebba | hmm, building vlc for i386 (arm is ok), I get "`GLIBC_2.7' not found (required by ... libvlccore.so.2) | 10:22 |
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| * hd1 is a market trader | 10:22 | |
| jebba | glibc 2.5 is in the SDK | 10:22 |
| mece | regularly it's 9 to 18 on saturdays and 12 to 18 on sundays and 7-21 on weekdats :) | 10:23 |
| mece | weekdays too | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: that's worrying | 10:23 |
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| `0660 | on sundays they have to pay double salaries though | 10:23 |
| mece | Hukka around? | 10:23 |
| hd1 | I work 9am to 4pm NYC time | 10:23 |
| Hukka | Yeah | 10:24 |
| tybollt | hd1: those are good hours, good hours indeed. | 10:24 |
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| hd1 | tybollt: yea, but my job is VERY high stress | 10:24 |
| mece | hd1, I work similar hours, but with very very low stress :) | 10:25 |
| hd1 | mece: you're probably paid in accordance with your stress level ;) | 10:25 |
| mece | hd1, very much so. | 10:26 |
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| jebba | Stskeeps: odd, as i dont see glibc2.7 stuff anywhere (except comments here & there). nor on systme. | 10:26 |
| Hukka | mece: What's up? | 10:26 |
| mece | Hukka was it with you we talked about comic apps? | 10:27 |
| Hukka | mece: Yeah | 10:27 |
| mece | Hukka, well I made mine | 10:27 |
| mece | Hukka my widget. | 10:27 |
| Hukka | Well, that was fast :) | 10:27 |
| Hukka | I was supposed to be coding at the office on Friday, but instead I spent five hours at an auction | 10:27 |
| Hukka | Was fun though, never been in one before | 10:28 |
| mece | Hukka, did you buy something cool? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: see if you can track it down, sounds like a bu | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | g | 10:28 |
| Hukka | A new table, one with motorized vertical adjustment | 10:28 |
| hd1 | sorry to hear that, mece | 10:28 |
| Hukka | I've been wanting one for some time, but they are normally too expensive | 10:28 |
| mece | Hukka, started with Qt, got frustrated so I learned python. | 10:28 |
| `0660 | :) | 10:29 |
| mece | hd1, no I'm fine. I don't care as long as we don't starve :) | 10:29 |
| Hukka | mece: Huh? They aren't mutually exclusive. I do Qt with Python | 10:29 |
| mece | Hukka, ok I started with c++ | 10:29 |
| jebba | Stskeeps: vlc really complains about the old glibc... | 10:29 |
| Hukka | mece: I'm afraid I might have to do that some day, since the startup time with python is quite big. But I'll have to see about it... | 10:29 |
| mece | Hukka, didn't even think about that. I did it in gtk | 10:29 |
| Hukka | Oh, ok | 10:30 |
| Hukka | mece: Qt's the future, you know :) Or so they say | 10:30 |
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| Hukka | mece: Did you already upload to -devel, or do you just have a deb somewhere? | 10:30 |
| mece | Hukka, well for small programs like widgets python is very nice. For the heavier stuff not so much. | 10:30 |
| mece | Hukka, I have a py file :) | 10:30 |
| hd1 | anyone know if there's a JDK that will run on the n900? | 10:30 |
| Hukka | mece: Hmm, how can you make a widget with just a .py? Doesn't it require .desktop and that kind of files | 10:31 |
| mece | hd1, somewhere in this thread there might be the information you seek: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37405 | 10:31 |
| mece | Hukka, well a py and a desktop | 10:32 |
| Hukka | mece: I'm interested in getting my journey planner app packaged first, though. You lived in Åbo, wasn't it? | 10:32 |
| Hukka | mece: Do you have information about but stop locations available publicly? | 10:33 |
| mece | Hukka, anyway it's not really in a publishable order, and I don't know how to package for devel. I'll make some improvements first. | 10:33 |
| Hukka | s/but/bus/ | 10:33 |
| infobot | Hukka meant: mece: Do you have information about bus stop locations available publicly? | 10:33 |
| hd1 | mece: I saw that | 10:33 |
| mece | Hukka, nothing but the online services like expressbus or matkahuolto. Or do you mean the local busses? | 10:35 |
| Hukka | Local | 10:35 |
| mece | oh.. I guess http://bussit.turku.fi | 10:35 |
| Hukka | mece: Is it possible to download locations about all the stops? | 10:36 |
| mece | Hukka, no idea. Doubt it. | 10:36 |
| Hukka | Over here we can request a dev account, that gives access to this huge xml file, with all the stops in there. Timetables and WGS84 coordinates | 10:37 |
| thresh | niiiiice, there is a way to control PS3 using N900 | 10:37 |
| Hukka | mece: Just could have added support for other areas, than capital, to my app | 10:37 |
| mece | Hukka, well I guess you could ask them. here's some info about a new system: http://www.turku.fi/public/default.aspx?contentid=144407&nodeid=11885 | 10:37 |
| Hukka | mece: Do you use public transportation, would you be interested in testing, if I manage to get access to the info I need? | 10:39 |
| Hukka | I know people from here, but if I do add other cities, would be good to test those too. And I don't know anyone else using N900 over there :) | 10:39 |
| mece | Hukka, rarely. | 10:40 |
| mece | Hukka, we got that guy who first ported scummvm, I forget what he's called, and edgar2 | 10:40 |
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| mece | Hukka, actually I the Turku 2011 Euroopan kulttuuripääkaupunki project could be very interested in helping out.. | 10:42 |
| mece | err -I | 10:42 |
| Hukka | mece: You think? This is not really about culture... | 10:43 |
| Hukka | mece: I mean, I'm interested, but pessimistic | 10:43 |
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| mece | Hukka, yes, but it's about tourism | 10:45 |
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| mece | Hukka, I met the guy who coordinates the it part and they were all about the mobile solutions for everything. | 10:45 |
| mece | Hukka, Jarmo Röksa was the guys name. He works for something called "live2011.com which is something like a social network surrounding the culture stuff. | 10:46 |
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| mece | Hukka, This is the guy: http://www.turku2011.fi/public/default.aspx?app=5&objectid=141286 | 10:48 |
| mece | Hukka, I guess it doesn't hurt to ask him. | 10:49 |
| juhovh | hmm... | 10:49 |
| mece | juhovh, my thoughts exactly | 10:50 |
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| juhovh | have to read the backlog now | 10:51 |
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| Hukka | mece: Ok, thanks for the info. Now I have to run for lunch and then get my new table over here | 10:54 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 11:04 |
| Xisdibik | I see MfE hasnt improved that much yet | 11:05 |
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| cpscotti | good morning everyone! | 11:17 |
| pronto | oh hi | 11:17 |
| n9000 | can anybody tell me where we can get Libtime0 0.0.36+0m5 package... | 11:17 |
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| cpscotti | so.. anyone has the slightest clue on whats happening with garage? | 11:17 |
| cpscotti | uploaded a package ~10hr ago and no reply | 11:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: so um | 11:21 |
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| `0660 | cpscotti, it must be maintained by logica too :) | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: what's the sort order used by Catorize for All? | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | because it's sorting 'Browser' as 'Web' which is rather annoying | 11:22 |
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| cpscotti | :/ | 11:23 |
| cpscotti | not even the "build ok" mail | 11:23 |
| n9000 | can anybody tell me where we can get Libtime0 0.0.36+0m5 package... | 11:24 |
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| Lantizia | Hey, has support for the UK been dropped with version OS 2009 version 2.2009.51-1 ? | 11:29 |
| tybollt | why would it? | 11:30 |
| Lantizia | i.e. Should I wait for a UK variant of the firmware like there has been before or is it never coming? and should I use the global version. | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | Lantizia: just use Seamless Software Update update | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | like everyone else | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | please don't waste your time or mine or anyone else's dealing w/ flashable images | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | the UK variant was *never* available on time | 11:30 |
| Lantizia | timeless_mbp I need to reflash anyway, screwed with lots of things under the hood :) | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | and yes, i will investigate it | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | well, then you'll have to wait for me to find it | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | it's not high on my todo list | 11:31 |
| Lantizia | ok no probs! just checking :) I can wait. | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | given that my mail server password expired over the weekend | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | you're welcome to find the last bug on this subject and file a new one w/ a reference to the old one | 11:31 |
| Lantizia | if it's coming then it's coming - i believe you | 11:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | a bug will be needed either way | 11:32 |
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| * timeless_mbp tries to figure out http://billionbuy.blogspot.com/2010/01/valentines-gift-for-him-nokia-n900.html | 11:33 | |
| timeless_mbp | isn't it a bit early for february? | 11:33 |
| Shrik3 | ...americans | 11:34 |
| Myrtti | Shrik3: indians I'd say | 11:34 |
| lcuk | timeless, dont tell my missus, but ive got her a pink skin already, i just have to find a way to get her an n900, ive had enough of her stealing it to play angry birds and stuff | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 11:34 |
| Myrtti | timeless_mbp: shipping latency, 14th isn't that far away | 11:35 |
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| `0660 | i just have to find a way to buy their level packs | 11:35 |
| Shrik3 | christmas is over, so they need to start punping up for the next reason to sell people more crap | 11:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | Myrtti: as a generally single, always non christian/pagan, i rarely had to deal w/ shopping/shipping for this holiday | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | so it was never something i scheduled | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks for the reminder about shipping :) | 11:36 |
| * lcuk waves @ Myrtti then dashes back to work | 11:36 | |
| Myrtti | timeless_mbp: considering there's plenty of stores in Finland that sell N900 with "coming on 1.02.2010" or "shipping 6-14 days" or "no store stock available"... | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | Myrtti: please keep in ind that to me that's Jan 2, 2010 | 11:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | s/ind/mind/ | 11:37 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: Myrtti: please keep in mind that to me that's Jan 2, 2010 | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | which to me means "the idiots can't keep their ads current" :) | 11:37 |
| redeeman | lol | 11:38 |
| Myrtti | timeless_mbp: that would be even worse, as you say | 11:38 |
| redeeman | your date format is insane timeless | 11:38 |
| Myrtti | and I've seen couple of them too | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | redeeman: it's actually much more practical | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | a lot easier to track a holiday that way | 11:38 |
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| redeeman | its a crap format | 11:38 |
| redeeman | totally insane | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a more practical format | 11:38 |
| redeeman | no | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | redeeman: arguing with me is never a good idea :) | 11:39 |
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| redeeman | you will not win an argument against me, much less on this | 11:39 |
| Myrtti | iso standard ♥ | 11:39 |
| Myrtti | 2010-01-25 ♥ | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | Myrtti: the wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many from which to choose | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | would you like a 'usb' 'cable' with that? | 11:40 |
| lantizia | timeless_mbp: sorry my browser crashed - so why do you want me to log a bug again? | 11:40 |
| redeeman | Myrtti: yes, that is my preferred, though i can accept it reversed, 25-01-2010 | 11:40 |
| lantizia | whats the point when you already know | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | Lantizia: well, find the previous bug | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | first step: i figure out where the file lives | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | second step: someone else gets it where it needs to go | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | the second step is someone else, and they need the bug :) | 11:40 |
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| lantizia | or I can call nokia as a customer and say OI WHERES MY FIRMWARE | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia care? yes please | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | that's actually a good thing to do | 11:41 |
| lantizia | lol | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | no, seriously. | 11:41 |
| lcuk | it wasnt a joke | 11:42 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't really joke. | 11:42 |
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| slonopotamus_ | ... | 11:42 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'd suggest that you avoid 'OI' unless you are sure the Nokian will recognize it | 11:42 |
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| lantizia | timeless_mbp: if they're british they will :P | 11:43 |
| timeless_mbp | which given your likely possible handlers is pretty much nil :) | 11:43 |
| timeless_mbp | Lantizia: i think odds favor Indians | 11:43 |
| timeless_mbp | not certain, i am curious | 11:43 |
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| lantizia | timeless_mbp: ok if you have the file, the final file - and it's just a question of getting it in the right download area, can you just send it me if I provide you with the product code? | 11:44 |
| lantizia | _and_ I'll ring nokia | 11:44 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't have the file yet, i'll have to walk to work | 11:44 |
| timeless_mbp | my mailbox password expired | 11:44 |
| timeless_mbp | and that's my domain password | 11:44 |
| slonopotamus_ | weird. one needs voice in _all_ channels she's connected to in order to change nickname :/ | 11:44 |
| timeless_mbp | which i generally need to do just about anything on our network | 11:44 |
| lantizia | right how recent is this firmware? I only noticed it today | 11:44 |
| lantizia | I mean for all regions | 11:45 |
| timeless_mbp | Lantizia: i'm assuming you're talking about 51-1 | 11:45 |
| lantizia | yeah | 11:45 |
| timeless_mbp | and it's a couple of weeks old i think | 11:45 |
| timeless_mbp | just call nokia now, it takes me a while to get out of bed | 11:45 |
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| lbt_ | lcuk: ping | 12:09 |
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| hendry | does anyone run bash as their shell on the n900? i need shell history to improve my workflow. :) | 12:19 |
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| koala_man | I do | 12:20 |
| adeus | yes | 12:20 |
| redeeman | i do in my debian chroot | 12:21 |
| lantizia | is there a more semi official way to repartitioning now with the later firmware? | 12:22 |
| lantizia | at the moment I just bind mount /usr onto a /home/usr at boot time for extra space :S | 12:22 |
| jebba | VLC WORKING :) | 12:24 |
| * lantizia hands you some win | 12:24 | |
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| hrw | morning | 12:36 |
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| mece | blast! Why does my eventboxe clicks make two events? | 12:44 |
| spectre- | apparently we're getting ovi maps 3 soon | 12:46 |
| spectre- | on the n900 | 12:46 |
| mece | oh? Says who? | 12:46 |
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| spectre- | news article i just saw on noknok | 12:47 |
| spectre- | no dates set but apparently it'll be rolling out within the next few weeks | 12:47 |
| v2px_ | read: in 3 months *hides* | 12:49 |
| timeless_mbp | noknok? | 12:49 |
| range | Well, that just reiterates that Anssi Vanjoki said "... and certainly moving forward it will also support Maemo" | 12:50 |
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| range | No date, no Maemo version number, no nothing. | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 12:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | i claim that is not support for the 'it'll happen anytime soon for maemo5/n900' | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | you're welcome to read it with whatever shade of rose colored glasses you like | 12:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Heeeelloooo Maemo 6. | 12:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Cynicism serves you well where Nokia and Maemo are concerned. | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | but if that's his official statement, then when you come crying to him about it not arriving w/in a few weeks for your n900, he's in every way justified for totally ignoring you | 12:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | cynicism isn't strictly necessary | 12:53 |
| timeless_mbp | but being totally ignorant and trying to read things under the assumption that nokia can get pigs flying instantaneously when nokia doesn't make any statements to that effect is not a good idea either | 12:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They can't even get normal things to happen when they make announcements about it. | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | it takes a lot of work to get pigs flying | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | and ovi maps is a big pig | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | http://noknok.tv/2010/01/22/nokia-n97-firmware-update-v21-to-support-ovi-maps/ | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | 20mb :) | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | (actually i think for maemo it's larger, but hey) | 12:55 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: Or two small rockets. | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: do they have to go in the same direction? | 12:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Only if you want the pig entire. | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd just as soon ignore the pig | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | Google Maps, Maep, Maemo Mapper, what does a pig get me? | 12:56 |
| SpeedEvil | A fair numberof potential users like pigs. | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | other than more work trying to localize it | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | sheep like pigs, eh? | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry to hear that | 12:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Especially when they squeal. | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | baah | 12:56 |
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| tybollt | does the latest ovi maps press release imply ovi maps will be one portable application for all platforms or? | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | it won't be | 12:59 |
| tybollt | AFAIU currently it is not the same on symb and lin? | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | it's not very trivial in general to make one portable app | 12:59 |
| tybollt | shrug :) | 12:59 |
| tybollt | it's like w/ USB | 12:59 |
| auenf | not very trivial? | 13:00 |
| spectre- | well | 13:00 |
| spectre- | i for one hope it happens | 13:00 |
| spectre- | it would be nice to have 3 on here | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | If you just mean a port - then maybe - who knows | 13:00 |
| tybollt | everyone understood perfectly fine what the hell it was until the org tried to standardize on the names... all of a sudden you have all these names that noone grasps. :) | 13:01 |
| auenf | 'the org' ? | 13:01 |
| tybollt | http://www.usb.org/home | 13:01 |
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| alterego | So, user-space service daemons, should I just use init.d? Or is there something else for maemo? | 13:08 |
| jebba | alterego: upstart | 13:09 |
| jebba | /etc/event.d | 13:09 |
| jebba | though init.d should work fine too | 13:10 |
| alterego | cheers | 13:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | spectre-, you wont get it. | 13:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | spectre-, it's not the same program. | 13:15 |
| spectre- | eh | 13:16 |
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| spectre- | so whats the best gps util for this | 13:16 |
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| mece | I am having some seriously weird issues with my pygtk eventbox here.. | 13:25 |
| mece | for some reason it registers two clicks 2 times of three. In a pattern no less! | 13:25 |
| tybollt | ugh bizarre sound issue is back | 13:26 |
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| mece | first click registers as 1 click, then the two next ones register as two clicks and then 1, 2, 2, 1... and so on. | 13:26 |
| tybollt | and what someone asks - yes it does termporarily "fix" it by raising or lowering the volume. | 13:26 |
| tybollt | now I'm entirely stumped :) | 13:27 |
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| Damion2 | google maps should be available soon | 13:31 |
| nomis | mece: are you connectiong to "button-press-event"? | 13:32 |
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| nomis | mece: have a look at http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/unstable/gdk-Event-Structures.html#GdkEventButton | 13:32 |
| mece | nomis, yes | 13:32 |
| nomis | mece: (not sure if that explains what you're seeing) | 13:32 |
| tybollt | huh is google maps not available? I mean surely it is, but not as a standalone app perhaps? | 13:32 |
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| spectre- | had a stuttering sound issue yesterday that forced me to shut down alsa | 13:32 |
| spectre- | restarting didn't fix it | 13:33 |
| mece | nomis, yes it does acutally :D | 13:33 |
| spectre- | so prolly a lockup somewhere else | 13:33 |
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| mece | nomis, thank you very much | 13:33 |
| spectre- | was in the default interface | 13:33 |
| nomis | mece: you're welcome. | 13:33 |
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| spectre- | multitasking locked and the click sound repeated at high speed indefinitely | 13:33 |
| spectre- | then freed up again but sound was still whacked | 13:33 |
| Damion2 | I can can already run the native linux compile of the s60 one over x fwding | 13:35 |
| Damion2 | cross compiling is awkward as this is in google's build environment | 13:35 |
| Damion2 | I can only allocate a small amout of 20% time | 13:35 |
| n9000 | i am not able to install libalarm-dev debian package due to dependency problem.can anybody help? | 13:35 |
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| Stskeeps | n9000: pastebin please | 13:37 |
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| n9000 | Stskeeps:i am not able to compile code contaning #include <alarmd/alarm_event.h> | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | n9000: right, and give me error for libalarm-dev apt-get | 13:40 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: ping | 13:44 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 13:44 |
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| n9000 | Stskeeps: libalarm-dev package is dependent on package " Libtime0 0.0.36+0m5" but no file is there to install it. http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_i386/libalarm-dev/1.1.14+0m5/ | 13:44 |
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| Stskeeps | n9000: you need to get nokia-binaries repository | 13:45 |
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| n9000 | Stskeeps: please give me the link. | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | n9000: tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula | 13:46 |
| n9000 | Stskeeps: thanks | 13:47 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: You're a badass on versioning ;-) | 13:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, trying to keep up with the versions on at least one Extras product. ;) | 13:49 |
| mece | nomis, a simple "if not event.type == gtk.gdk.BUTTON_PRESS: return False" did the trick. Thank you very much for that :) | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, in the process of being super pedantic about bug details lately. | 13:49 |
| hendry | is there some reason why unionfs doesn't seem to have been looked at seriously according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem ? | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | hendry, unstable, not enough time to make it work well. | 13:50 |
| hendry | GeneralAntilles: how is it unstable? | 13:50 |
| hendry | GeneralAntilles: is there a bug I should track about it? | 13:51 |
| hendry | The other 'optification' solutions are just plain insane imo | 13:51 |
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| nomis | mece: yeah, you need to filter the event type. The nice thing about this event sequence is, that it is quite simple to set up the filters accordingly. | 13:52 |
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| wazd | hello everyone | 13:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya :) | 13:53 |
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| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/25/keepin-it-real-fake-part-cclii-nokia-n900-commits-s60-5th-frau/ | 13:54 |
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| wazd | stolen bodies? :) | 13:55 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: timeless: I'm going to have to re-open bug 8328 and possibly mark as WONTFIX | 13:55 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8328 all isn't showing All applications (especially the former main screen apps) | 13:55 |
| hrw | Jaffa: catorize? | 13:55 |
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| lantizia | Hey I'm after the latest version for my N900... but I can't use the Nokia updater as it doesn't work with Win7 and I can't get the flash image as a UK version hasn't been made available for download yet | 13:57 |
| lardman | ~curse Ovi Maps routing | 13:57 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Ovi Maps routing ! | 13:57 |
| lantizia | So I've reflashed to 41-11 or whatever it is... can it get the rest via apt? | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | lantizia, just update the repos in the Application Manager. . . . | 13:57 |
| lardman | I foolishly trusted it and it took me a mile or two along a 1 track farmer's track | 13:57 |
| jebba | lantizia: the flasher doesnt work with windows 7?? | 13:57 |
| lantizia | jebba: the flasher does... the nokia updater program doesn't | 13:58 |
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| jebba | ah | 13:58 |
| lantizia | jebba: but the UK variant of the latest firmware isn't available for me to use the normal flasher | 13:58 |
| * hrw wants gconf-editor... | 13:58 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lantizia, just update through h-a-m like everybody else. | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no need to flash. | 13:58 |
| lantizia | whats the h mean? | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | hildon | 13:59 |
| lantizia | hilden application manager | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, freaking finally, Sygic replied. | 14:00 |
| RST38h | replied what? | 14:01 |
| n9000 | Stskeeps: i already have nokia-binaries repository | 14:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, about chopping up the maemo.org logo for their site. | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | n9000: apt-get update | 14:01 |
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| n9000 | Stskeeps: ok | 14:02 |
| sgbirch | How do you create a desktop shortcut to start a text based python script? | 14:03 |
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| RST38h | General: Oh. | 14:03 |
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| * GeneralAntilles doesn't get why Nokia doesn't just put together a freaking logo for Maemo. | 14:05 | |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: how's things? | 14:05 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: what did Sygic have to say for themselves then? | 14:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, they're apparently talking to Jussi (which one, I don't know). | 14:06 |
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| lardman | about providing the sw? | 14:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | About what imagery they can use to indicate they support the Maemo platform. | 14:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apple's had great success with that whole "Made for OS X" thing | 14:07 |
| lardman | oh right | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno why Nokia doesn't have something similar. . . . | 14:07 |
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| achipa_irssi | are we still having DNS issues on the builders ? my fremantle package went through OK, but the diablo version failed miserably with DNS errors... | 14:10 |
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| bidossessi | hi all | 14:16 |
| bidossessi | just got on the maemo bandwagon, and i'm sure this has been answered before, but i couldn't find it on google so... http://pastebin.com/d69feff8c | 14:17 |
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| lardman | is the library present? | 14:21 |
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| bidossessi | libOMX_Core.so? i couldn't determine which package provides it. | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | looks like openmax | 14:23 |
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| bidossessi | i guessed openmax, but apt-cache search openmax gives gst-openmax, which is installed | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | this is under SDK i presume | 14:25 |
| bidossessi | yes it is | 14:25 |
| bidossessi | N900 not available in my country yet | 14:25 |
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| Stskeeps | openmax doesn't work under sdk naturally | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | it's not an emulator, so | 14:26 |
| bidossessi | figures... | 14:26 |
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| bidossessi | so no way to check if media playback actually works... | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | right | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | which sucks, obviously | 14:27 |
| bidossessi | lol | 14:27 |
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| bidossessi | ah well, i went into an install frenzy. suppose i had to hit a snag sometime. | 14:28 |
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| TomaszD | bidossessi, did you install subtitles support? | 14:32 |
| bidossessi | no. i installed ogg-support and that's it | 14:32 |
| TomaszD | ok, then I've no idea how that happened | 14:32 |
| bidossessi | i was just testing gpodder actually | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: on SDK | 14:32 |
| TomaszD | ah | 14:33 |
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| wazd | X-Fade: around? :) | 14:38 |
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| tybollt | huzzah, one crippled device to go, please! | 14:41 |
| tybollt | no cream, two lumps, please | 14:42 |
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| RST38h | Acer is also working on its own app store. | 14:44 |
| * RST38h duly facepalms. | 14:44 | |
| lardman | for what devices? | 14:44 |
| RST38h | Who knows? Who cares? | 14:45 |
| lardman | lol | 14:45 |
| Fatal | I'm guessing android, where it actually makes sense | 14:45 |
| RST38h | Some gadgets they intend to produce. | 14:45 |
| tybollt | emphasize ion "Who cares?" :) | 14:45 |
| tybollt | s/ion/on/ | 14:45 |
| infobot | tybollt meant: emphasize on "Who cares?" :) | 14:45 |
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| RST38h | And...this... http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Intel-Atom-Developes-App-Store,8717.html | 14:46 |
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| * RST38h wonders if he should ever stop facepalming | 14:46 | |
| tybollt | RST38h: missus almost knocked my front teeth out while facepalming once... so be carefull :) | 14:48 |
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| cpscotti | hey.. I just realized that in my phone all apps that use pygtk (pygtkeditor, pyrecipe, n900fly....) are with the buttons style messed up (you can't see the bt itself, just the text inside).. is this a known issue of some kind? can anyone test this in their phone? | 14:49 |
| cpscotti | (changing themes/rebooting.. nothing solves the problem.. and all other apps (that are non-pygtk are ok) | 14:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, . . . | 14:50 |
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| jaska | crapp stores :( | 14:54 |
| w00t | crapp stores! I love it :) | 14:55 |
| kirma | I wonder if some of the total trolls on talk.maemo.org are actually serious | 14:56 |
| bidossessi | what repo are the telepathy plugins available from (haze, idle, salut, mission-control)? | 14:56 |
| bidossessi | running maemo5 on SDK | 14:57 |
| w00t | extras-dev, last time I looked | 14:57 |
| bidossessi | s/on/from/ | 14:57 |
| infobot | bidossessi meant: running maemo5 from SDK | 14:57 |
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| bidossessi | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free dev ? | 15:01 |
| alterego | s/from/in the/? | 15:01 |
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| bidossessi | alterego, something like that :) | 15:02 |
| alterego | nyargh, what we need is an open source community appstore ^.^ | 15:03 |
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| pupnik | morning | 15:04 |
| zaheerm | alterego, store implies money changing hands | 15:04 |
| pupnik | any discussion i should scroll back for? | 15:04 |
| alterego | good moaning pupnik :) | 15:04 |
| alterego | zaheerm: exactly. | 15:04 |
| pupnik | bleh don't remind me of that | 15:04 |
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| Damion2 | How can I get terminal in 80x24 fullscreen? It nicks a pixel to the right by the WM as far as i can tell. I wonder about compiling with the right X hints to tell it to be unmanaged fullscreen, but then the 80x25 font is using one pixel less than I want on the vertical. I have been successful with xset +fp /home/user/fonts/ but I like the UTF-8 goodness of the android one. | 15:08 |
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| Damion2 | 10x20 font gives 79x24 when I use gconftool-2 to undo the bottom bar (I lose escape then), and make it fullscreen | 15:09 |
| Damion2 | or maybe it was x23 | 15:09 |
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| Damion2 | I also want some mouse gestures, essentially getting what I had in s2putty on the n97. swipe up for Tab is sorely missed atm. Also BlueArrow up/down etc should do PgUp and PgDown and home/end for l/r | 15:10 |
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| hendry | where can i find the stock maemo kernel configuration config.gz to study? | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Damion2: you mean you need a slightly wider font? | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I would check on another device. | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Damion2: that is - export the display - and see if it's a 800x480 window | 15:15 |
| Damion2 | if I use Xnest or start Xorg :1 I can display in 80x24 it's the window manager getting in the way | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 15:16 |
| Damion2 | the 80x24 xterm is definitely 800x480 | 15:16 |
| Damion2 | 10x20 10*80 by 24*20 | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - neglecting the calculations - are you sure there isn't an off-by-one error in the underlying terminal | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - an 800x481 window will display just fine - in an unmanaged display | 15:17 |
| pupnik | Damion2: you can remove scrollbar and create total fullscreen, but i can't find the command in my notes or google search. | 15:19 |
| Damion2 | SpeedEvil: oh I could try that | 15:19 |
| Damion2 | pupnik: remove scrollbar is a gconftool-2 option I tried it unsuccessfully | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyway. | 15:20 |
| Damion2 | I've been trying to do this since I got the device in December | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Neglecting that - is this a standard osso-term? | 15:20 |
| Damion2 | I've not seen others so insistant on the requirement | 15:20 |
| pupnik | oh that - i think you may be right on n900 | 15:20 |
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| Damion2 | I'm using standard osso-term but X11 forwarding Xterm wasn't as useful as I'd have hoped | 15:21 |
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| Damion2 | sorry, is it considered bad form to ignore pre n900 devices? | 15:21 |
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| pupnik | no, i just haven't had my coffee yet | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | In theory yes. | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | In practice - they're swamped | 15:22 |
| pupnik | hehe | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | and it's a lost cause - so ignore away | 15:22 |
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| red | Anyone know XML well and got a moment to help me? | 15:23 |
| red | having problems with Declarations | 15:23 |
| * SpeedEvil declares these truths to be self-evident! | 15:23 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Pizza is tasty! | 15:23 |
| pupnik | maybe the gconf / gconftool stuff needs a wiki, i am not finding stuff - please link if you have any notes Damion2 | 15:23 |
| Damion2 | I'm been a UNIX user since about 1993 SunOS and Linux mainly, and I never considered a tablet as they seem to suck, but I'm loving this n900's unixness and I think there will be a mass of UNIX types using the n900 who didn't respect the tablets. This is actually my phone too and saves carrying multiple devices around | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Damion2: I meant - what are you doing so far that's let you make a 80x79 term | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 15:24 |
| mikhas | Damion2, great. | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | 79*24 | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | the other might be hard to read | 15:24 |
| alterego | pupnik: I think it does, found a nice location which specifies the location of desktop widgets the other day :) | 15:24 |
| Damion2 | pupnik: I typed gconftool-2 -h and got a help param out, then ran that in full and output to a file it gave me a complete xml dump of all options for all apps | 15:24 |
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| Damion2 | the osso-xterm options were about 15things, including removing scrollbar, but no sign of fixing backspace (I want ^H) and changing the bool for scrollbar didn't change | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | stty erase ? | 15:25 |
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| Damion2 | SpeedEvil: sorry yes not 80x79 that would be bonkers :) | 15:25 |
| Damion2 | that just fixes it locally to use ^? but when I attach to Nyear old screen(1) session over ssh it breaks stuff | 15:26 |
| pupnik | ty Damion2 | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC screen can be told about backspace differences | 15:26 |
| Damion2 | SpeedEvil: I could map ^? to send a ^H but I dont' really want that kludge seeing as I need to make osso-xterm (or another terminal) do what I want anyway | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 15:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Personally, I'd love a fullscreen x-stroke recogniser | 15:27 |
| Damion2 | there are a few fixes I would like, and Fn-Up sending PgUp is one of them, mouse gesture swipe to send Tab is anotherm both these I'd need help as my C/C++ is weak | 15:27 |
| alterego | "... Maybe you are confused because you fear no one will develop more useful apps for the N900 given that Nokia appears to be abandoning maemo5 already. ..." - Hahahaha | 15:27 |
| alterego | People are hilarious :) | 15:27 |
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| pupnik | gconftool-2 --dump / > all_opts.xml seems to be it | 15:28 |
| Damion2 | alterego: I think people are saying that as they've been through similar situations. I have to say, it doesn't look too good. | 15:28 |
| Damion2 | pupnik: got it | 15:28 |
| bidossessi | does telepathy allow xmpp voice calls? whaqt is needed to make it work | 15:29 |
| jebba | bidossessi: yes, it works. It's there by default. Just make a jabber or gtalk call. | 15:30 |
| pupnik | gconftool-2 --dump /apps/osso/xterm > xterm_opts.xml to get just xterm gconf options | 15:30 |
| bidossessi | jebba, thanks | 15:31 |
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| Damion2 | pupnik: yup, that's where I got to a few weeks ago when my kids got to bed on time | 15:31 |
| pupnik | nice, now i can -load different xterm profiles | 15:31 |
| pupnik | i'd like that terminal icon to launch a new terminal and not bring up the old one | 15:32 |
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| Damion2 | pupnik: that could be doable using one of those shortcuts to spawn apps on a per app basis | 15:33 |
| Damion2 | spawning, in this case bash | 15:33 |
| Damion2 | PgUp http://bsd.dsl.shagged.org/~chris/rx-51.new | 15:33 |
| Kegetys | I'd like the terminal to have configurable "zones" on the screen where when you tap it will press a key... kind of like putting the button bar transparently in the background | 15:33 |
| Damion2 | Kegetys: yes, that would suffice for my needs | 15:34 |
| bidossessi | on the SDK, the button below the avatar makes me think that it should be pressed to toggle the IM availability status of my account, but it does nothing. where can i switch my IM status? | 15:34 |
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| pupnik | heh yes /schemas/apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar/ value "false" is not being honored | 15:34 |
| Damion2 | some of that might be possible in the mouse xterm control stuff with some patches to a cmdline thing like screen | 15:34 |
| Damion2 | pupnik: exactly | 15:34 |
| Damion2 | I ran it in a fresh and overlayed framebuffer, it got very messy on my screen but did go fullscreen. So it is the window manager stopping me | 15:35 |
| alterego | pupnik, Damion2: One would assume that is because of the clutter integration. | 15:35 |
| alterego | Probably only there from legacy .. | 15:35 |
| alterego | I've read a few threads about peolpe not liking the N900, even though I'm a dev, I use it as a real phone and I think it's a cake load better than any other phone I've ever had, N95, N96 .. | 15:37 |
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| alterego | There's a few features missing maybe, but nothing that makes me think. Have I made a mistake here? ^.^ | 15:37 |
| alterego | I feel pretty powerful just carrying it around in my pocket tbh. | 15:38 |
| Damion2 | it's perfecly acceptable, I do sometimes cut off calls when the proximity sensor detects it's out of my pocket but my finger is on the red cut off thing | 15:38 |
| pupnik | http://www.dnastase.info/nokia_tablet/os2008/index.htm whoah transparent overlay for xterm, possibly also usable for sdl;gaming | 15:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, too bad you don't own one. Ha! | 15:38 |
| Damion2 | alterego: I've had pocket sized linux boxes before | 15:38 |
| alterego | Damion2: sure, I've got an N810 an had an N800. | 15:38 |
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| alterego | GeneralAntilles: hopefully that'll be resolved soon. This device goes back to my brother this week :( | 15:39 |
| alterego | Almost fnished my apps though! :D | 15:39 |
| Damion2 | are they as small? | 15:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, you did add your name to the device queue, though, right? | 15:39 |
| alterego | I did indeed. I might update that to include the apps I'm about to finish actually. | 15:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Good plan. | 15:40 |
| alterego | Any news on that by-the-way? | 15:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | alterego, apparently Quim got some devices. | 15:42 |
| alterego | Cool | 15:42 |
| Arkenoi | OOo is almost usable (despite slowness), but there is no way to switch to national keyboard and defaults are not handy ("print" page layout and all that toolbars) | 15:42 |
| Damion2 | SpeedEvil, pupnik, others: where is a good place to start efforts to getting a terminal experience as good as could be had on the e90/n97* ? | 15:43 |
| Damion2 | *N97 needs my patches for Tab swipe and 80x24 fonts | 15:43 |
| alterego | Done .. :) | 15:43 |
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| hrw|gone | Jaffa: nice progressbar in catorize ;D | 15:45 |
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| hrw | re | 15:46 |
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| Arkenoi | is catorize something like mymenu? i asked already but no one answered | 15:47 |
| hrw | Arkenoi: yes | 15:47 |
| hrw | Jaffa: is there any changelog available? | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | mymenu uses author defined menus, catorize uses the ham ones | 15:47 |
| Arkenoi | ah. so i should probably remove mymenu and try catorize? | 15:48 |
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| Damion2 | sweet. pgup on Fn-Up works with a minor edit. | 15:51 |
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| pupnik | i broke my device trying to add that Damion2 | 15:52 |
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| pupnik | you editing rx-51 file? | 15:52 |
| Damion2 | I edited it and ran setxkbmap, not rebooted though | 15:52 |
| pupnik | it would be nice to edit keymaps without risking a reflash | 15:53 |
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| Damion2 | is there a risk on reboot that this won't come up? I can't see why | 15:54 |
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| Damion2 | let me paste the diff to you | 15:54 |
| Damion2 | I don't know of what risk changing ONE_LEVEL to PC_FN_LEVEL2 will do | 15:55 |
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| Damion2 | pupnik: I replaced the last block changing ONE_LEVEL to PC_FN_LEVEL2 and adding the Fnified action after a comma within the square rbackets | 15:57 |
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| Mikho | linux gurus needed | 16:01 |
| Mikho | how can I permanently remove a recursive hardlink to a directory without destroying my filesystem? | 16:01 |
| pupnik | hallelujah, that was it Damion2 - thanks | 16:01 |
| jebba | Damion2: would you have any idea how to fix the kernel keymap? It only does alpha (No Fn). | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | Mikho: make a backup :) | 16:02 |
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| Mikho | tried to boot an ubuntu repair disk and from there delete the hard link, which it does ok, but when I boot up my ubuntu again, it's there | 16:02 |
| Mikho | fsck.ext3 says everything is ok on the disk | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | you sure some script isn't making it for you? :) | 16:03 |
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| sejo | did anyone work with the syncml tool? | 16:03 |
| Kegetys | sounds like some initscript is recreating it | 16:03 |
| Myrtti | Mikho: you are aware on which channel you are? | 16:03 |
| Mikho | no, I remember creating the link myself, but it was supposed to be a symlink | 16:03 |
| Mikho | Myrtti, offtopic? | 16:03 |
| Myrtti | Mikho: just wondering if you were posting that question here by accident or purpose | 16:04 |
| timeless_mbp | Mikho: since we're #maemo not #ubuntu .... | 16:04 |
| Mikho | on purpose | 16:04 |
| Mikho | I have bad experiences of the other channels | 16:04 |
| Mikho | it's not ubuntu related | 16:04 |
| pupnik | Damion2: i'd guess the cleanest way to make changes to terminal would be to make a customised osso-xterm package. Making packages that twiddle system settings would be too scary for me. | 16:05 |
| Mikho | I figure you could have the same problem on N900 too | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | depends who's creating the hardlinks in the first place :) | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | is the path something interesting? | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | recursive hardlink? | 16:05 |
| Mikho | /scratchbox/users/username/ there's a link back to /scratchbox | 16:05 |
| pupnik | tunnel of goats | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | it's not a hardlink, it's a bind-mount | 16:06 |
| mgedmin | it's not stored anywhere on the filesystem | 16:06 |
| mgedmin | and it is maemo related ;) | 16:06 |
| Mikho | phew | 16:06 |
| mgedmin | this is how scratchbox works | 16:06 |
| mgedmin | it's normal | 16:06 |
| Mikho | so, how can I remove the bind-mount? | 16:06 |
| mgedmin | umount | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | Mikho: why? | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | btw, you might want to uninstall scratchbox and install sb2 | 16:06 |
| Mikho | why what? | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | if scratchbox is too confusing | 16:07 |
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| mgedmin | Mikho, you realize that if you "remove the bind-mount" then scratchbox will stop working, right? | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | why is the link bothering you? | 16:07 |
| Mikho | eh | 16:07 |
| mikhas | you remove it by issuing "/etc/init.d/scratchbox-core stop" usually =p | 16:07 |
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| Damion2 | jebba: by fn I meant that blue arrow that was called fn on the n97 | 16:08 |
| Mikho | it messes up every search method on my desktop pc | 16:08 |
| mikhas | run sbox inside a virtual machine then, if that's what you want | 16:08 |
| Mikho | outside of scratchbox, I can type /scratchbox/users/username/scratchbox/users/username/scratchbox/users ... forever | 16:09 |
| Mikho | looks awfully like a hardlink to me | 16:09 |
| mgedmin | I doubt that; iirc it only goes one level deep | 16:09 |
| jumpula | just bindmounts | 16:09 |
| mgedmin | /scratchbox/users/mg/scratchbox/users/mg/scratchbox/ is an empty directory | 16:10 |
| Damion2 | I thought hardlink directories were kludged in to HPFS+ on MacOSX but otherwise, not a real unixy filesystem thing | 16:10 |
| jumpula | depends if your scratchbox is running or not | 16:10 |
| jumpula | ie. are the bindmounts in place | 16:10 |
| mgedmin | original unix supported directory hardlinks; linux never did | 16:10 |
| jumpula | mount | grep scratchbox helps | 16:10 |
| Mikho | ok, I'll look into that | 16:10 |
| jumpula | it's the way scratchbox is built | 16:11 |
| mikhas | my sbox is running and it stops just as mgedmin said | 16:11 |
| jumpula | you can have endless recursions with symlinking too | 16:11 |
| Mikho | sure you can, but this time there are no symlinks | 16:11 |
| Damion2 | why does scratchbox need this, it shouldn't even need root to run qemu and some crosscompiling gcc surely? | 16:12 |
| Damion2 | okay maybe qemu needs root actually | 16:12 |
| jumpula | ah, indeed. it stops. the recursion goes only one level deep, my bad. | 16:12 |
| jumpula | /scratchbox on /scratchbox/users/jhakala/scratchbox type none (rw,bind) | 16:12 |
| Mikho | it worked! It was indeed a mount and not a hard link | 16:13 |
| Mikho | thanks for suggesting the correct solution :) | 16:14 |
| Damion2 | mgedmin: I've never seen it in solaris, irix or aix, but that could simply be cos I wasn't looking | 16:14 |
| Myrtti | with the different values of "correct" | 16:14 |
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| Mikho | looks like I was searching a solution to a wrong problem | 16:14 |
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| Mikho | and this being the right channel anyway | 16:14 |
| mgedmin | Damion2, I've never seen it anywhere, but I recall reading about it in some manpage somewhere -- and the original Unix meant exactly that, ancient AT&T stuff | 16:15 |
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| Damion2 | ah | 16:15 |
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| Damion2 | I think you could always debugfs mount and _CREATE_ one if you wanted ;) | 16:16 |
| Damion2 | I actually need to see if this is possible with some hexediting on a FAT32 block device | 16:16 |
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| Mikho | so... scratchbox creates mounts out of symlinks behind my back? | 16:16 |
| Damion2 | not sure where I'd ask about, that, not topic for maemo though | 16:16 |
| jumpula | Mikho: not behind your back. it's there to support multiple targets. | 16:17 |
| jumpula | the symlinks are, that is | 16:17 |
| jumpula | the bindmounts are for setting up the environment in general | 16:17 |
| Mikho | ok, not behind my back, but anyway somewhere out of my sight :) | 16:17 |
| mikhas | it's confusing at first, but then you get used to it and see how it is actually useful | 16:18 |
| Mikho | yes, but I managed to create a symlink that messed up the system | 16:18 |
| mikhas | just dont ever remove a scratchbox installation with rm -fr | 16:18 |
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| mikhas | (at least not a running one, =p) | 16:18 |
| Mikho | yes, I'm not saying scratchbox is confusing, but I don't really understand it yet | 16:19 |
| jumpula | it's pretty elegant design, actually | 16:19 |
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| Rapp | hi everyone! | 16:19 |
| Mikho | I think in that case the best idea is to ask, which I did | 16:20 |
| jumpula | and avoids a lot of problems elsewhere | 16:20 |
| Rapp | just unpacked a N900 and wondering: how do i input special characters in maemo, which are NOT printed on the keyboard? (e.g. "&") | 16:20 |
| Mikho | in fact I actually tried rm -rf *blush* | 16:20 |
| mikhas | Rapp, Fn + Ctrl | 16:20 |
| mikhas | brings up the virtual keyboard, the third row from top consists of compose keys | 16:20 |
| Mikho | but was smart enough to move my files out of the way first | 16:21 |
| Rapp | mikhas: thanks! | 16:21 |
| lantizia | Hey I took a back up of "Communication and Calendar" and you'd think that would include SMS messages... but when I've restored - it didn't... what gives? | 16:21 |
| mikhas | np | 16:21 |
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| Mikho | okay, it seems scratchbox recreates the mount every time I start the daemon. Anyone have idea where scratchbox stores the mount lists? | 16:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Damion2: put up a wiki page on osso-term about tweaks - and suggestions from others? | 16:27 |
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| jumpula | Mikho: the bindmounts are indeed created when scratchbox is started and umounted when stopped | 16:28 |
| jumpula | Mikho: the mount list is just coded inside the script and is done for each user added inside scratchbox | 16:29 |
| jumpula | whatever you want to bindmount on top of that, you have to do manually | 16:29 |
| Mikho | I'd like to un-bindmount the offending bindmount | 16:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__, GeneralAntilles, Jaffa : ping | 16:34 |
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| andre__ | pong? | 16:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i got a private reply from one of the people to whom i sent a warning | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | it seems to indicate he doesn't understand bugzilla | 16:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | since he doesn't seem to understand bugzilla, i'm wondering if we should disable his account :) | 16:35 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, forward it to me and let me explain | 16:35 |
| andre__ | I really prefer to explain stuff instead of kicking people out | 16:36 |
| andre__ | even if it takes 15min a day | 16:36 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: what's there to understand? :) | 16:36 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: actually, 3 months, 5 days :) | 16:36 |
| andre__ | tybollt, that it's not a forum. | 16:36 |
| tybollt | ah | 16:36 |
| tybollt | yeah | 16:36 |
| tybollt | that's one thing I hate | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/blog/171/ | 16:36 |
| tybollt | people using bug submission tools as forums :-| | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i got a reply from one of the people who got the warning letter under "What will happen to others and how do they know?" | 16:37 |
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| sp3000 | pehaps there's a way to build in some sort of steam valve for the discussion | 16:38 |
| lantizia | Is there a nice guide to repartitioning the N900? | 16:39 |
| sp3000 | like, I dunno, autocreated threads somewhere linked from a notice near the comment form | 16:39 |
| lantizia | like perhaps swap around /home for /home/MyDocs | 16:39 |
| lantizia | would rather only have 2gb for the usb mode than 27gb... would prefer 27gb always to be available for optified packages | 16:40 |
| timeless_mbp | Lantizia: you clearly have no interest in playing music, recording videos or taking photos | 16:40 |
| timeless_mbp | but there are enough descriptions in wikis, blogs, talk, and irc logs | 16:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | and of course, it's totally unsupported and subject to break anything or everything at any time | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | but definitely when it's least convenient :) | 16:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | Oops... a server error occurred and your email was not sent. (#717) | 16:41 |
| lantizia | timeless_mbp... I have interest in all that.. but I can access that partition using samba or nfs exports | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: b.m.o? | 16:42 |
| lantizia | it's just as quick for me to rsync my music to the N900 over an NFS share with WiFi as it would be over USB | 16:42 |
| sejo | someone put the sdk on a fedorabox? | 16:42 |
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| jebba | sejo: yes. http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/SDK | 16:43 |
| sejo | thx jebba | 16:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: gmail | 16:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Lantizia: Maemo5 official apps might break | 16:44 |
| timeless_mbp | using NFS will not help you there | 16:44 |
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| mikhas | I still wonder why the mydocs partition wasnt made NTFS at least | 16:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | mikhas: not universally supported | 16:45 |
| mikhas | if it is made for windows, then I'd really really like to see the % of non-NTFS users out there =) | 16:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | mikhas: it's also used by OS X | 16:45 |
| mikhas | OS X cant read/write NTFS? | 16:45 |
| timeless_mbp | and it's supposed to be read/write | 16:45 |
| Damion2 | lantizia: not tried but have you thought of 4GB ext3 block devices stored on MyDocs ? | 16:46 |
| timeless_mbp | out of the box i think ntfs support on os x is read only | 16:46 |
| Damion2 | as an easy work around | 16:46 |
| mikhas | I can do that with my linux box since ... ages | 16:46 |
| mikhas | wow, didnt know that | 16:46 |
| Damion2 | reliably ? | 16:46 |
| Damion2 | ntfs write support is either via fuse and not great, or flakey and built in to the really old driver | 16:46 |
| mikhas | you talk about reliability in comparision of vat? | 16:46 |
| mikhas | but yes, never had a problem with that. I use it mainly for usb sticks though | 16:47 |
| Damion2 | I went to uni with Richard Russon who wrote half the code | 16:47 |
| mikhas | vfat* | 16:47 |
| Damion2 | also loads of stuff can't do ntfs | 16:47 |
| Damion2 | like a PS3 | 16:47 |
| Damion2 | I plug my camera in to loads of non ntfs talking stuff | 16:47 |
| Damion2 | I'd still rather than a more even split and know how to do it but TBH 2GB is enough for the mo so I've not worried | 16:48 |
| Damion2 | SpeedEvil: can a normal user easily create a wiki? I couldn't see where | 16:48 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: it seems james got a ticket notification for work done in California | 16:49 |
| Damion2 | maybe I should try and use a desktop more often | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Damion2: open the page HowToMAEKossoTERMbettah! and click 'edit' | 16:49 |
| sejo | jebba: your patch failed | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: message sent | 16:50 |
| sejo | jebba: i'll try to create a new one | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS#Mac_OS_X | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | mikhas: the current status according to wikipedia is ntfs write support is not enabled as of 10.6.1 | 16:51 |
| Damion2 | SpeedEvil: ahh :) | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | mikhas: since a significant portion of mac users (myself included) run 10.5 | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | or even 10.4 | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | requiring NTFS support | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | which might or might not have interesting patent issues (yet another story, let's skip that) | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | seems like an incredibly stupid idea | 16:52 |
| mikhas | well, it's a high price regarding the notorious problems I have with vfat | 16:52 |
| tybollt | btw, did they announce the jesus tablet yet? | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | the reason that *EVERYONE* chooses FAT is because *EVERYONE* supports it | 16:52 |
| thresh | i don't support it | 16:52 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp++ | 16:52 |
| * thresh is against FAT | 16:52 | |
| timeless_mbp | it's something called the Lowest Common Denominator | 16:52 |
| mikhas | first time I tried to copy a large file onto the n900 I had to repair the partition =) | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | (heck, it's actually the Greatest one, but who's counting) | 16:52 |
| Damion2 | oh that's a point it's got a 4GB limit and it's the partition designed for large movies etc | 16:52 |
| mikhas | yup, it's not always the sanest solution that wins | 16:53 |
| alterego | IT really pisses me off there's no dashboard button when starting maps ... | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | thresh: since you don't produce >100 devices distributed amongst our customers | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | you are thankfully totally uninteresting. sorry. | 16:53 |
| tybollt | then w/ vfat I can just plug my device into a windows computer by means of usb and voila - presto | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: you're confused | 16:53 |
| thresh | timeless_mbp: :) | 16:54 |
| tybollt | try that having JFS or reiser :P | 16:54 |
| alterego | Constantly :P | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem is that the Maps app doesn't start fast enough | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | if it started in 1-2s, you wouldn't care | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | hypothetically that might be fixed soon | 16:54 |
| lantizia | http://sumoudou.org/%E7%9B8%E6%922%E5%A4%96%EFC%9ARepartition%20the%20Nokia%20N900.html | 16:54 |
| thresh | timeless_mbp: easy. have a small partition in VFAT with drivers for common OSes and you're done. | 16:54 |
| lantizia | this looks fun | 16:54 |
| thresh | err | 16:54 |
| thresh | s/timeless_mbp/tybollt | 16:54 |
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| alterego | Okay, I want it to appear whilst it's going through it's startup crap :P | 16:54 |
| jebba | sejo: perhaps it's been fixed. Let me know plz. | 16:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | thresh: you mean ask our customers to trust our binaries? | 16:55 |
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| thresh | don't they already? | 16:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | not on windows | 16:56 |
| timeless_mbp | or OS X | 16:56 |
| timeless_mbp | or Linux | 16:56 |
| timeless_mbp | unless they're dumb enough to install the Flasher app | 16:56 |
| timeless_mbp | (or BeOS, or AIX, or Solaris, or ...) | 16:56 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a difference between trusting a commodity component | 16:57 |
| timeless_mbp | and trusting it to give you software to install onto your corporate computer | 16:57 |
| sejo | jebba: no the dpkg issue is still there | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | And trusting a vendor to write secure code. Even without bugs. | 16:57 |
| timeless_mbp | it's the difference between me being willing to have a java enabled wrist watch | 16:57 |
| timeless_mbp | and trusting a device to run software on google's corporate network | 16:57 |
| timeless_mbp | (see current stories) | 16:57 |
| thresh | timeless_mbp: if you can plug USB flash into corporate computer, then your admin is incompetent | 16:58 |
| sejo | jebba: and they changed the wizard for a big part | 16:58 |
| timeless_mbp | i doubt google would mind a non network enabled java supporting wrist watch | 16:58 |
| thresh | or you can ask him to install something you need anyway | 16:58 |
| timeless_mbp | thresh: using usb flash for data | 16:58 |
| timeless_mbp | is distinct from allowing it to run a system component as system | 16:58 |
| timeless_mbp | which is what's necessary (generally) to load a file system driver | 16:58 |
| tybollt | thresh: so corporate users w/ laptops all have ... incompetent admins? | 16:58 |
| jebba | now build server is speeding up :) | 16:58 |
| timeless_mbp | very very very different | 16:58 |
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| thresh | tybollt: read my next sentence | 16:59 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: a non-signed component | 16:59 |
| jebba | sejo: i use the non/gui wizard one. | 16:59 |
| jebba | but i dont use it anymore on fedora.... | 16:59 |
| SpeedEvil | In that you can have system exes on USB users can insert - but signed so they can't screw with stuff. | 16:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: his message sucks | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | he dropped the part of the quoting portion | 17:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | i believe he's one of the warned people | 17:00 |
| sejo | jebba: k | 17:00 |
| mikhas | gah, reading all the reasons pro-vfat is depressing | 17:00 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, I don't think so, as there's no reason to warn him | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: i banned one person, and warned two | 17:00 |
| andre__ | then I wonder why you warned him, actually | 17:01 |
| alterego | 2hrs 15mins, then I can go home -_- | 17:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | he's responsible for two of the useless comments in the bug | 17:03 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, ehm, no, he is not? | 17:04 |
| tybollt | are we going after him w/ pitchforks and pikes? | 17:04 |
| andre__ | IDs? | 17:04 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: gimme a bit, reading other mail | 17:05 |
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| andre__ | timeless_mbp, I only see 103 and 105. and they both make total sense. | 17:05 |
| andre__ | avoid collateral damage and calm down a bit :) | 17:06 |
| * timeless_mbp chuckles | 17:06 | |
| timeless_mbp | we spent 18 1/2 mins trying to explain to a ticket manager @nokia that someone in .US incorrectly claimed to have fixed a computer of someone in .FI | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | really long arms? | 17:07 |
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| w00t | timeless_mbp: *glazed over stare* | 17:08 |
| tybollt | w00t | 17:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | w00t: the conversation w/ the ticket manager was... mind numbing | 17:12 |
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| tybollt | ticket manager == someone non technical, more of an administrative duty? | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | we couldn't find the ticket in a ticket system (or find the right ticket system) which is why we resorted to calling a ticket manager | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | ticket manager = someone who answers calls at a call center | 17:13 |
| tybollt | ah | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | and has access to see tickets | 17:13 |
| tybollt | sorry =) | 17:13 |
| tybollt | yeah | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | and presumably change them | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | you might call him a paper shuffler | 17:13 |
| tybollt | I usually call them a whole slew of words not suited for this forum ;) | 17:14 |
| timeless_mbp | we do to, aloud. no need for transcription :) | 17:14 |
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| lopz | hi ;) | 17:18 |
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| Mikho | ok, now I think I understand the confusion. I had manually created a symlink from /scratchbox/users/username/scratchbox to /scratchbox without realizing there already was one, and that it was also supposed to be there | 17:19 |
| Mikho | next time I'll remember to shut down scratchbox before running disk search programs | 17:19 |
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| Arkenoi | fsck. after catorize i see two available shortcuts for any builtin app and only one of those is really working :-(( | 17:20 |
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| lardman | hmm, none of the shortcuts on one of my desktops is working, the applets do as do the shortcuts on a second deskeop | 17:22 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 17:25 | |
| timeless_mbp | i was promised i could speak to someone for a customer satisfaction survey at the end of my call | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | but i didn't get it! | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | how rude! | 17:25 |
| lbt_ | meh | 17:26 |
| lbt_ | ban someone else from bugzilla - it'll make you feel better ;) | 17:27 |
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| t-tan | hi, I need some beta testers for my texlive port. could you please "apt-get install texlive-latex-base" from extras-devel and let me know whether it installs? thx | 17:34 |
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| mikhas | t-tan, downloading ... | 17:38 |
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| mikhas | how can I test a successful installation? some simple tex test included? | 17:39 |
| t-tan | I there are no installation errors then it'd be already great success | 17:40 |
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| t-tan | you could do "wget http://denethor.wlu.ca/latex/unix/simple.tex", then "pdflatex simple.tex" | 17:43 |
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| Myrtti | you're seriously installing latex on N900? ew. | 17:43 |
| mikhas | t-tan, got installation errors still ... | 17:43 |
| t-tan | mikhas: ok, thanks - could you report the error? | 17:44 |
| mikhas | Myrtti, why not? together with evince you can create presentations on the n900 then | 17:44 |
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| Myrtti | mikhas: let's just say that the combination of maemo, latex and the ability to run latex on maemo device makes me shiver | 17:45 |
| Myrtti | it *scares* me | 17:45 |
| t-tan | Myrtti: are you scared by ooffice and gimp as well? | 17:46 |
| _berto_ | for a moment I thought you were talking about latex, not LaTeX | 17:46 |
| Myrtti | ooffice I just hate | 17:46 |
| _berto_ | *that* scared me | 17:46 |
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| mikhas | _berto_, =) | 17:46 |
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| Myrtti | the idea is good. I just have personal issues | 17:47 |
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| t-tan | a TeXLive port makes it easier to port stuff like LyX etc. | 17:48 |
| mikhas | t-tan, hope this help: pastebin.ca/1765252 | 17:49 |
| mikhas | exactly | 17:49 |
| mikhas | there is a lot of useful stuff on top of tex-live | 17:49 |
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| jon1012 | an ooffice port for maemo would be really great | 17:50 |
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| t-tan | jon1012: you can already use it woth easydeb | 17:50 |
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| t-tan | mikhas: thx. the install scripts doesn't output anything useful. I'll enable debugging for now | 17:51 |
| mikhas | yeah, I feared so | 17:51 |
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| cpscotti | t-tan: oh! I'm totally NOT idle.. but LaTeX on my phone deserves some attention | 17:53 |
| * cpscotti trying texlive! =] | 17:53 | |
| t-tan | cpscotti: wait a moment and I'll upload the version with debugging... | 17:53 |
| cpscotti | ahh ok | 17:54 |
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| cpscotti | say here when it's ready | 17:54 |
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| t-tan | cpscotti: done. please enable extras-devel, update and try "apt-get install tex-common" as root first | 17:58 |
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| bidossessi | hi all | 17:59 |
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| t-tan | it should install version tex-common 2.06maemo9 | 18:00 |
| bidossessi | how can i change my IM status to "online" on the SDK? | 18:00 |
| hrw | same way as on device | 18:01 |
| hrw | if you run x86 in sbox | 18:01 |
| bidossessi | hrw, i don't have the device and i do run x86 i sbox | 18:01 |
| bidossessi | first time maemo user | 18:02 |
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| t-tan | cpscotti: apparently it takes the new version a few minutes to hit the repository... | 18:02 |
| cpscotti | yepp.. | 18:03 |
| hrw | bidossessi: click on 'status area' | 18:03 |
| cpscotti | I was going to ask you that.. | 18:03 |
| hrw | bidossessi: grab n900 usermanual from network | 18:03 |
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| cpscotti | for example.. sometimes mine take as long as 16hrs! (this night it took that long!) | 18:03 |
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| bidossessi | hrw, i tried that. but it pops out an empty window. | 18:04 |
| bidossessi | i've run "run-standalone.sh hildon-status-menu&" in case it depends on it... but no deal | 18:05 |
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| kuriiri | hmm.. personal dataplan monitor widget went little bit crazy | 18:06 |
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| kuriiri | i've downloaded -213285930! | 18:06 |
| kuriiri | :D | 18:06 |
| adalal | lol... uploads? | 18:07 |
| adalal | :P | 18:07 |
| kuriiri | well upload is 66.410MB :D | 18:07 |
| t-tan | cpscotti: imports can take up to 30mins :( http://maemo.org/packages/view/tex-common/ | 18:07 |
| kuriiri | so perhaps i have to add that 66MB to my downloads so i get correct results :) | 18:08 |
| cpscotti | t-tan: yep.. or more.. | 18:08 |
| cpscotti | t-tan: well.. I'll try it for sure when I have some time | 18:08 |
| adalal | kuriiri: maybe, that's a bug if that works then :P | 18:09 |
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| Damion2 | kuriiri: using an int to store >32bits? | 18:14 |
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| kuriiri | Damion2: well.. it was something like 2.1XX GB today | 18:15 |
| kuriiri | and now when i checked it's gone wild :) | 18:15 |
| kuriiri | in extended mode downloaded: -2132859305.000 B :) | 18:16 |
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| Damion2 | yeah that's unsigned int territory isn't it? | 18:16 |
| Damion2 | I mean signed | 18:16 |
| Damion2 | make it unsigned to check and see if it looks better, but you'll want long | 18:16 |
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| kuriiri | Damion2: ok, i'll have to check it out | 18:20 |
| Caesium | unsigned int will make it work up to about 4GB, yeah, which probably isn't much better if you're hitting 2GB | 18:21 |
| kuriiri | are you saying that 2gb is a lot? :D | 18:22 |
| Damion2 | no | 18:22 |
| Damion2 | we're saying using int is too small | 18:22 |
| Damion2 | I've just had an issue here trying unsigned long long was still not enough and I just switched to perl instead ;) | 18:23 |
| Damion2 | then tested in bc -l which is arbitrary up to a LOT | 18:23 |
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| Caesium | Damion2: unsigned long would be many PB, assuming it's 64bit | 18:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | more PB than you could possibly imagine! | 18:31 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders a suitable icon for PB. | 18:31 | |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: here's perhaps a good one to make that icon of? ;-P http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs47/f/2009/201/5/c/Pirate_bay_Icon_by_Neeycko.png | 18:36 |
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| t-tan | cpscotti: it's ready now | 18:37 |
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| tru | so.. i hope we will see a better email client for the n900 soon. modest does really strange thing to me. | 18:42 |
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| Myrtti | claws-mail ♥ | 18:44 |
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| bidossessi | i'm developping a pygtk application that i would like to port a "light" version of in maemo. could i add standard debian repositories to install python-sqlalchemy and python ldap? | 18:44 |
| tru | Myrtti: is that decent? | 18:45 |
| Myrtti | tru: I use it on my desktop as my main email client | 18:45 |
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| Myrtti | and I've used evolution and thunderbird before and have dispaired | 18:46 |
| tru | ok. | 18:46 |
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| tru | I have problems with modest, some emails doesnt show up, others never goes away :) | 18:47 |
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| Damion2 | Caesium: fib(100) 91 fitted | 18:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | hello world | 18:52 |
| lbt_ | segfault | 18:52 |
| uhsf | why do you use desktop email client instead of web client i'm curious because i'm thinking of abandoning gmail lately | 18:53 |
| timeless_mbp | we got a bluetooth laser projecting keyboard | 18:53 |
| lbt_ | timeless_mbp: cool :D | 18:54 |
| timeless_mbp | it works | 18:54 |
| derf | Enojying the complete lack of tactile feedback? | 18:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | and i had no trouble pairing it with my mac | 18:54 |
| lbt_ | timeless_mbp: how does it compare to the n900 builtin keyb | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | the keys are much bikgger | 18:55 |
| lbt_ | *nod* but not tactile... | 18:55 |
| lbt_ | overall? | 18:55 |
| lbt_ | +/- ? | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | it chirps | 18:55 |
| lbt_ | heh | 18:55 |
| lbt_ | uhsf: I have an imap server.... and my own web client... and seive .... and lots of other reasons | 18:56 |
| timeless_mbp | ~ZA"QX `.,well, you need s,. | 18:56 |
| timeless_mbp | so, it has a clever way of calculating the virtual plane | 18:57 |
| lbt_ | timeless_mbp: does it have a | then ? | 18:57 |
| lbt_ | :D | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | it sticks it at the level that is level with | | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 18:57 |
| lbt_ | how many $$$ | 18:58 |
| pupnik | interesting, all kinds of hildon libs in debian ... | 18:58 |
| lbt_ | pupnik: *nod* | 18:59 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno | 19:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | tech bluetooth virtual keyboard | 19:00 |
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| matthew- | Hey | 19:03 |
| matthew- | How to find out which production series my device is? | 19:03 |
| matthew- | It was something about the numbers under the battery.. But cant seem to find it on talk.maemo.org | 19:04 |
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| RST38h | 'Barack Obama "Uses the Internet Like a Normal Adult"' | 19:05 |
| RST38h | (what do they mean?) | 19:05 |
| matthew- | No one knows? | 19:05 |
| lbt_ | RST38h: he dl's porn? | 19:05 |
| RST38h | lbt: That was my suspicion as well | 19:06 |
| RST38h | downloading torrentz was the second suspicion | 19:06 |
| derf | My suspicion is that whoever said that has no idea what a normal adult is like. | 19:07 |
| lbt_ | virus infested Windows XP user WHO TYPES IN ALL CAPS coming 3rd? | 19:07 |
| SpeedEvil | derf: It's likely that he actually knows how to work basic computer applications. | 19:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | I would not - for example say that this was likely of Bush. | 19:08 |
| mtnbkr | or that he clicks "OK" on all pop-ups | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Neglecting the whole 'Bush is an ape-man' thing - simply generational. | 19:08 |
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| mtnbkr | that's the "normal" adult I see in supporting clients :( | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Many 'powerful' people of that generation basically don't. | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | 'I have people to do that for me' | 19:08 |
| derf | And when you're the president, they don't let you do those things even if you _do_ know how to. | 19:09 |
| RST38h | derf: anonymous source. | 19:09 |
| derf | RST38h: So, some whitehouse staffer operating on instructions, then. | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | derf: You can always sneak in an underage intern in with a laptop under her shirt. | 19:09 |
| RST38h | derf: And the instructions were flawed. | 19:09 |
| matthew- | Yes, instead of helping people with n900 | 19:09 |
| derf | Communication is hard. | 19:09 |
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| matthew- | spam about stupid US president. | 19:09 |
| RST38h | derf: Especially for people with degrees in communication. | 19:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there a standard for geotagging SMSs/ | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 19:11 |
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| goodwill | people geotag sms? | 19:11 |
| goodwill | why? | 19:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | I was wondering if it was possible. | 19:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | To be able to relate content to a map without having to add the location manually | 19:12 |
| unixSnob | i can see why it would be useful... someone says "that's a dope looking statue".. you need the coordinates to know what they're talkign about | 19:12 |
| SpeedEvil | forex wandering around disaster areas with a sat-phone tagging stuff | 19:12 |
| goodwill | I see | 19:13 |
| unixSnob | or "hot chicks all over the place here".. you might want to remember that spot | 19:13 |
| goodwill | interesting idea | 19:13 |
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| pupnik | what data do you want to associate with the sms? wouldn't you just include lat,lon in the sms body? | 19:13 |
| goodwill | I am sure its possible to compile and sms with coords. Or do an MMS with a tiny jpg thats geotagged | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | pretty much. | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I was wondering if they were. | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | there was an extant standard. | 19:14 |
| goodwill | I never heard of a standard | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | a shortcode would probably be a good idea | 19:14 |
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| Jaffa | hrw|gone: Changelog inside the tarball; I'm hoping someone with PHP skills will offer to implement "show changelog on maemo.org/packages/ and /downloads/". I made a post on tmo saying "talk to X-Fade and jeremiah, here's the code" | 19:14 |
| goodwill | apparently its nto a enw idea ... googled | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | osm.org/go/YeSTdTRG_-- forex | 19:15 |
| unixSnob | imo, it's also a safety matter... if you're hiking and need to text for help, you don't want to be bothered with getting the coords | 19:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | well - that might be a useful app - but... | 19:16 |
| goodwill | there is location api for emergency calls | 19:16 |
| RST38h | if you are hiking in the vicinity of a cell tower, they do not need explicit coordinates to locate you | 19:17 |
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| goodwill | one tower is not going to do that | 19:17 |
| RST38h | your cellid is more or less sufficient | 19:17 |
| unixSnob | RST38h: doesn't that depend on the number of towers? | 19:17 |
| RST38h | It does, but even one tower is enough | 19:17 |
| RST38h | Just less precision | 19:17 |
| unixSnob | a big perimeter? | 19:17 |
| goodwill | in a city such perimiter is a big problem | 19:18 |
| lcuk | well unixSnob a big perimeter is still better than no info at all | 19:18 |
| unixSnob | lcuk: a gps fix is better | 19:18 |
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| lcuk | a roap to your house is even better still | 19:18 |
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| lcuk | rope | 19:18 |
| unixSnob | what's the furthest a tower can reach? | 19:19 |
| unixSnob | we could be talking miles of wilderness | 19:19 |
| lcuk | dont people report getting locks at 35000 feet | 19:19 |
| lcuk | doubt it on the ground | 19:19 |
| avs | GSM (900 at least) max distance is about 35 km | 19:19 |
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| unixSnob | well, 35km squared doesn't narrow it down too much | 19:20 |
| avs | then you run out of timing advance guard times in time-division multiplexing | 19:20 |
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| unixSnob | er, 35*2pi | 19:20 |
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| unixSnob | 219 km squared, no? not a good resolution | 19:21 |
| avs | If the cell network wants to locate you, they just triangulate you from different cells | 19:21 |
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| unixSnob | avs: i'm talking worst case.. you have one cell | 19:22 |
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| avs | right, then the base station knows your distance, so its actually a circle line | 19:22 |
| goodwill | its relative distance | 19:22 |
| avs | absolute distance from the tower | 19:22 |
| RST38h | avs: As wavelength shrinks so does the distance to the tower | 19:23 |
| goodwill | signal strength does nto always correlate to distance given obstacles | 19:23 |
| RST38h | avs: And in cities, you usually have plenty of towers to choose from, improving precision | 19:23 |
| RST38h | s/distance to the tower/maximal distance to the tower of course | 19:23 |
| avs | yes, multipath propagation is of course an issue, but I was thinking of this wilderness | 19:23 |
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| avs | without reading what you guys were discussing earlier, so I'll shut up now :-) | 19:23 |
| RST38h | avs: Were discussing if the explicitly geotagged SMSes are needed at all | 19:24 |
| goodwill | what helps in direction | 19:24 |
| unixSnob | but if you're a hatian buried under earthquake rock, a cell fix won't be precise enough, I suspect | 19:24 |
| RST38h | avs: after all, the company knows what tower you are bound to | 19:24 |
| goodwill | if there is a vector then it makes it so much easier | 19:24 |
| unixSnob | the European satnav system will have a 1cm accuracy | 19:24 |
| RST38h | unixSnob: Having something of value helps in this case: the other haitians will have incentive to dig you out and rob you | 19:24 |
| unixSnob | which is ideal for someone buried under rubble | 19:25 |
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| goodwill | hmmm | 19:25 |
| goodwill | iTablet | 19:25 |
| avs | ad hoc WLAN would probably be good for finding people under rubble | 19:25 |
| unixSnob | RST38h: probably easier to rob a dead person | 19:26 |
| goodwill | its kinda like crunchpad | 19:26 |
| lcuk | unixSnob, if you are buried in the rubble, im guessing if there were rescue teams around, they might be checking for radio signals | 19:26 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not - with many towers - a circle. | 19:26 |
| lcuk | of any type | 19:26 |
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| Cerkkuz | is Devels-extras down? | 19:26 |
| lcuk | not using a cell, but more like a metal detector | 19:26 |
| RST38h | unixSnob: Yea, but I guess all the low-hanging fruit has already been harvested | 19:26 |
| Cerkkuz | i cant access it from my n900 | 19:26 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a segment of a circle - as they transmit in multiple segments | 19:26 |
| unixSnob | didn't someone make an app to navigate purely w/ cell towers? I seem to recall something like that.. not sure if it was a NIT app | 19:27 |
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| Cerkkuz | nyone, whats wrong with Devels repo? | 19:27 |
| goodwill | http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/23/facebook-vanity-url-harman/ | 19:27 |
| avs | Purely network cell (triangulation) based location was in use with at least one operator in Finland | 19:27 |
| goodwill | nice!!! Facebook has gone dictator | 19:27 |
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| goodwill | taking away usernames from people using false pretenses and selling them | 19:28 |
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| RST38h | what is Facebook? | 19:29 |
| RST38h | avs: Google Maps uses cell triangulation for ages | 19:29 |
| unixSnob | glad to hear facebook will lose some ground | 19:29 |
| unixSnob | facebook is keeping track of who I'm friends with, and i'm not even a member! | 19:29 |
| unixSnob | the fucking bastards | 19:29 |
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| zash | unixSnob: OMG | 19:29 |
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| unixSnob | someone tries to invite me, and I get a screen full of people I "might know"... and i know every single one of them | 19:30 |
| RST38h | hehe | 19:30 |
| RST38h | they are that good, ain't they? | 19:30 |
| unixSnob | Time to find out how to flood their database with garbage | 19:30 |
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| avs | RST38h, I meant purely network based. Google Maps, afaik, tells the server which cells it sees. The one I meant worked with any old phone and the phone did not need any extra sw. | 19:31 |
| RST38h | ah | 19:31 |
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| unixSnob | presumeably, the "phone" doesn't need to even have a cellphone plan, I would think | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | unixSnob: Chuck Norris will save you! | 19:32 |
| unixSnob | SpeedEvil: how? | 19:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/21/179242/Facebook-Master-Password-Was-Chuck-Norris | 19:33 |
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| lantizia | Without installing extra packages can the N900 tell you what IP it's obtained without going in to the terminal!? | 19:34 |
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| unixSnob | lantizia: there's an app for that | 19:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | lantizia: don't think so | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | lantizia: other than http://whatismyip.com/ | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | or friends | 19:35 |
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| unixSnob | the IP the handheld obtains is not generally going to be the IP reported by what-is-my-ip | 19:36 |
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| unixSnob | although maybe it would work at a more professionally admin'd hotspot, like a mcdonalds one | 19:37 |
| zash | zenity --info --text="$(route -n | tail -n 1 | awk '{print $8}' | xargs ifconfig | grep inet\ addr | sed 's/^.*inet addr:\([.0-9]*\).*/\1/')" | 19:38 |
| zash | i think | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | without going in to the terminal!? | 19:38 |
| zash | ;) | 19:38 |
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| zash | that into a script somewhere + .desktop file | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | also awk 'n=$8;END{print}' | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | print n | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | meh | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | awk 'END{print $8}' | 19:39 |
| zash | SpeedEvil: instead of tail -n 1 | 19:39 |
| zash | ? | 19:39 |
| unixSnob | if you tunnel, openvpn can be scripted to run zash's code on connect | 19:39 |
| inz | Is the default route guaranteed to be the last one? | 19:40 |
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| unixSnob | and if you don't tunnel... you should! | 19:40 |
| zash | http://p.zash.se/_HXUJg.txt | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 19:41 |
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| pupnik | http://navigationshilfe1.t-online.de/dnserror?url=http://shop.ebay.com/ FUCK t-online | 20:09 |
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| konttori | pupnik, do you know if javispedro used the compositor scaler, or if the perf was better for him using the non-composite mode and normal scaler? | 20:11 |
| Scummer | hi | 20:11 |
| pupnik | i think he had somewhat better results with .24 and non-composite but that's 'hearsay' | 20:11 |
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| konttori | yeah, would be interesting to know which is better for pure 2d view scaling. | 20:13 |
| ph1l | hi | 20:13 |
| ph1l | anybody have a "bootchart" of the n900? | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | bootchart would be interestging. | 20:14 |
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| ph1l | yes indeed :-) | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I've thought about generating one - and put it on my stack. I should get to it 2089 at current rates. | 20:14 |
| lcuk | konttori, i suppose in part it will depend on which backend is being used | 20:15 |
| ph1l | or another question: is there a way to tell kernel not to use /sbin/init? | 20:15 |
| lcuk | RST38h was saying he was using HAA and it was working but still didnt feel right | 20:15 |
| lcuk | or that there were more changes for him perhaps | 20:15 |
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| Damion2 | is there a guide to the n900 (especially boot up) ? I havent stumbled across one yet | 20:17 |
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| Damion2 | tbh TMO is mostly fully of ranters talking balls | 20:17 |
| Damion2 | but I wasn't sure other than this channel where else to look and my google-fu is letting me down | 20:17 |
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| jebba | Damion2: wiki has lots of info. | 20:18 |
| ph1l | Damion2, thats acctualy the reason why i would like to generate a bootchart for the n900: to bring some light into the boot process :-) | 20:18 |
| Damion2 | I mean I work most stuff out by hand such as the gconftool-2 stuff, and found jaffa's wiki pages with dbus-send interesting, but what about the /sys structure ? | 20:18 |
| RST38h | Who is raising me from the void by mentioning my name in vain? | 20:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You? =) | 20:19 |
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| Damion2 | jebba: randomly linked around like most tech wiki's are ? I'm struggling to work out what to start to click on from http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page | 20:19 |
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| Damion2 | I want an overview for unix experts | 20:20 |
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| Damion2 | it would probably help if I'd had a tablet for years like many here. Or more spare time to ssh in on a proper keyboard TBH, fscking kids! | 20:22 |
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| konttori | lcuk: yeah, well, to me it looks like it's using just some normal scaler. If it used compositor, I would expect to see a bit blurry result | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | konttori, ahhh yes nicely antialiased through there | 20:36 |
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| konttori | lcuk: how did you turn it on? | 20:38 |
| lcuk | i didnt, just going off what you said | 20:39 |
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| * GeneralAntilles wonders why he can't retrieve MMSes. | 20:43 | |
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| konttori | lcuk: ah, you tested compositor zooming in some other app? | 20:44 |
| lcuk | konttori, no - you said that it would look fuzzy if using compositor it would be blurry, thats AA doing that isnt it? | 20:45 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, have you checked the database/wiki recently to see if your provider is already there? | 20:46 |
| lcuk | or are you in virgin territory | 20:46 |
| konttori | well, that's the effect of bilinear filtering caused by the 3d chip texture zoom. It results in blurryish screen. | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, nope, but I got the info off google. | 20:46 |
| konttori | so, a bit AA-alike result | 20:46 |
| lcuk | ahh yes of course! we should see what javis has been upto when he returns | 20:47 |
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| dpro | hi | 20:49 |
| wiretapped | lol bugzilla bans | 20:49 |
| wiretapped | EVERYBODY STFU | 20:49 |
| ifreq | wiretapped: ? | 20:49 |
| andre__ | wiretapped, like, where? | 20:49 |
| wiretapped | #5357 | 20:50 |
| xorAxAx | bug 5357 | 20:50 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 Does not accept GSM (USSD) Codes starting with *# | 20:50 |
| andre__ | wiretapped, and the problem with that is...? | 20:50 |
| wiretapped | just funny that it actually has happened; i've seen the threats before | 20:51 |
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| andre__ | Well, folks have been warned several times | 20:51 |
| andre__ | plus some people cannot distinguish between Bugzilla and a forum like talk.maemo.org | 20:51 |
| andre__ | even after having been told | 20:51 |
| wiretapped | but now seeing (ABUSED BUGZILLA; ACCOUNT SUSPENDED) above all of Sam's posts... I had to LOL | 20:51 |
| andre__ | ah. hehe | 20:51 |
| dpro | anyone knows of a repository where there is prebuilt package containing xhost (x11-xserver-utils) ? | 20:51 |
| andre__ | wiretapped, problem is: if you want Nokians to be around in Bugzilla: Keep the noise factor low. | 20:51 |
| andre__ | and for many users it's probably the first time that they see something like Bugzilla. Hence some tension from time to time | 20:52 |
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| mikhas | it is really wasteful if you get spammed with bugzilla mail because of some stupid kids, it cannot be emphasized enough | 20:53 |
| xorAxAx | dpro: i can send it to you | 20:53 |
| wiretapped | yeah, esepcially when there are 66 CC's it is advisible to lurk moar if you don't have new info to add | 20:53 |
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| xorAxAx | dpro: mail address? | 20:53 |
| xorAxAx | dpro: (just the xhost binary) | 20:53 |
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| wiretapped | but, having "DO NOT COMMENT. Sam was BANNED for abuse." in the status field of a bug is hilarious | 20:54 |
| mikhas | you could add a comment to that bug stating how funny it is | 20:54 |
| mikhas | I want to laugh, too | 20:54 |
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| wiretapped | timeless_mbp: when you USE CAPS like that you LOOK CRAZY | 20:55 |
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| wiretapped | heh | 20:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Emphasis options are kinda limited in plaintext. | 20:55 |
| xorAxAx | ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY | 20:55 |
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| andre__ | Nah, I don't shoot on people directly. First warning is done by using a knife. :-P | 20:57 |
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| mikhas | no, not directly andre__ ... only in the back, eh? | 20:58 |
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| dpro | xorAxAx: hrmmm ... x2x still says "can not open display" ... | 20:59 |
| an0therb0x | does the N900 work with Ovi Suite ? | 20:59 |
| xorAxAx | dpro: what does ssh -vvvv tell you? | 21:00 |
| xorAxAx | -X | 21:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | an0therb0x: probably not :) | 21:00 |
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| kuriiri | i created account to bugzilla couple of hours ago but haven't received any mail about it yet :( | 21:00 |
| dpro | xorAxAx: maybe this line is the problem: debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing. | 21:01 |
| timeless_mbp | an0therb0x: http://www.maemo-guru.com/2009/11/if-you-love-ovi-youll-hate-the-n900/ | 21:01 |
| pupnik_ | the USSD bug may be the cause of my calls forwarding to an unknown party | 21:01 |
| timeless_mbp | kuriiri: someone said bugmail was off | 21:01 |
| kuriiri | timeless_mbp: ah ok | 21:01 |
| pupnik_ | the dude is seriously pissed at me | 21:01 |
| andre__ | mikhas, you know my style :) | 21:01 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik_: there's a call forwarding applet | 21:01 |
| xorAxAx | dpro: ah, yeah. i am using xauth from debian | 21:01 |
| timeless_mbp | why not just use it? | 21:01 |
| xorAxAx | dpro: because it was so large to build | 21:02 |
| dpro | maybe I'll just package xserver-utils myself ... | 21:02 |
| * GeneralAntilles wishes for wiki editors who could manage to create proper freaking lists. | 21:02 | |
| timeless_mbp | call forwarding is not really within the scope of ussd | 21:02 |
| andre__ | yes, bugmail does not work currently | 21:02 |
| xorAxAx | xauth is not in xserver-utils | 21:02 |
| andre__ | for some reasons I don't know | 21:02 |
| Trizt | no more bugs? ;) | 21:02 |
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| pupnik_ | timeless_mbp: the phone app includes it, and is broken for my provider | 21:02 |
| an0therb0x | timeless_mbp: thanks i thought i was doing something wrong | 21:02 |
| pupnik_ | which do you mean? | 21:02 |
| pupnik_ | call-forward - Manage call forwarding | 21:02 |
| pupnik_ | callforwarding - Call forwarding settings applet | 21:02 |
| dpro | ah so I'll build the xauth deb then | 21:02 |
| andre__ | Trizt, bugs continue to exist, unfortunately :-P | 21:02 |
| Trizt | darn | 21:03 |
| seiflotfy | hey guys | 21:03 |
| timeless_mbp | the latter one i ithink | 21:03 |
| seiflotfy | i need the xdg lib to run a program on maemo | 21:03 |
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| seiflotfy | File "./zeitgeist-daemon", line 63, in <module> | 21:03 |
| seiflotfy | from _zeitgeist.engine.remote import RemoteInterface | 21:03 |
| seiflotfy | File "/home/seif/zeitgeist/zeitgeist/../_zeitgeist/engine/__init__.py", line 24, in <module> | 21:03 |
| seiflotfy | from xdg import BaseDirectory | 21:03 |
| seiflotfy | ImportError: No module named xdg | 21:03 |
| mikhas | hi seif | 21:03 |
| seiflotfy | where do i get it from | 21:03 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: people can use RSS instead of SMTP to track bugs :) | 21:03 |
| seiflotfy | hi mikhas | 21:03 |
| * Trizt nods | 21:03 | |
| seiflotfy | i can find it in apt-get cache search xdg | 21:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | an0therb0x: there's a download page for ovi suite | 21:04 |
| timeless_mbp | which iirc tries very clearly to tell you that it doesn't support the n900 | 21:05 |
| timeless_mbp | well, not very clearly | 21:05 |
| timeless_mbp | but it doesn't list the n900 as a supported device | 21:05 |
| timeless_mbp | and the absence of support should be evidence of lack of support :) | 21:05 |
| Trizt | it will tell you so if you try to use it with the n900 | 21:05 |
| dpro | xorAxAx: x2x now working ... ah cool ... now for the serious stuff :) | 21:06 |
| xorAxAx | dpro: what is x2x? | 21:06 |
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| dpro | I can now use the kbd/mouse (sans cursor) on the n900 from my laptop | 21:07 |
| xorAxAx | ah, synergy? | 21:07 |
| Damion2 | oh. I've just remembered I want sticky Ctrl. there is a bug closed will not fix, cos the ctrl key, isn't one that should be. although neither is shift and that does it. So I want to make sure X has +accessx and try to enable it | 21:07 |
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| andre__ | seiflotfy: probably because it does not exist? | 21:08 |
| dpro | xorAxAx: http://x2x.dottedmag.net/ | 21:08 |
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| Damion2 | x2x is the poor mans synergy | 21:08 |
| RST38h | How the hell do I print to MSVC console? | 21:08 |
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| seiflotfy | so no way to get basedirectories | 21:08 |
| Damion2 | so where is the X startup params? | 21:09 |
| Damion2 | .- | 21:09 |
| Damion2 | oops | 21:09 |
| seiflotfy | andre__, | 21:09 |
| andre__ | seiflotfy, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2724 | 21:09 |
| povbot` | Bug 2724: Please provide xdg-utils | 21:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs at fMMS. | 21:09 | |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: why? | 21:09 |
| timeless_mbp | does it work? | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not as far as I can tell. | 21:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: devel is broken as usual? | 21:11 |
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| andre__ | seiflotfy: feel free to add your usecase in a comment to that report (keep managers in mind that ask "why is this needed?") | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, probably. | 21:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, the past 10 days or so seems to be Moments in Competence at maemo.org | 21:12 |
| seiflotfy | andre__, well i read there might be an alternative way | 21:12 |
| frals | GeneralAntilles: whats wrong with it? | 21:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | frals, no idea, is there a log somewhere? :) | 21:13 |
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| frals | run it from terminal and it will spit stuff out (/opt/fmms/fmms_gui.py) | 21:13 |
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| dpro | hmm so how do I make the mouse cursor visible on an n900 ? | 21:14 |
| timeless_mbp | dpro: iirc it is visible | 21:15 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc it's just 100% transparent :) | 21:15 |
| odin_ | yeah.... you can't see us, to shoot us ! ah transparency :) | 21:16 |
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| pupnik_ | it would be nice to use synergy when using n900 at desk | 21:16 |
| pupnik_ | i mean, it runs fine | 21:16 |
| dpro | timeless_mbp: ah .. so is there a quick hack to make it opaque or switch between transparent and actually visible ? | 21:16 |
| timeless_mbp | dpro: it should be pretty easy to do | 21:16 |
| timeless_mbp | do note that if you're stupid enough to install KOffice Viewer (from Maemo Devices), you'll see a cursor at times | 21:17 |
| timeless_mbp | (Because they're idiots) | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, there it goes. | 21:17 |
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| dpro | timeless_mbp: that I didn't plan ... | 21:17 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, it shouldn't be too hard to find the invisible cursor and do something about it | 21:18 |
| timeless_mbp | but we're going to hunt dinner | 21:18 |
| pupnik_ | so how do you get an X pointer to display | 21:18 |
| timeless_mbp | or food | 21:18 |
| timeless_mbp | happy hunting | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | frals, my only request is that some way is found to properly integrate it into Conversations. | 21:18 |
| pupnik_ | bon appetit timeless_mbp | 21:18 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik_: set a non 100% transparent cursor :) | 21:18 |
| konttori | totally out of topic, but I'm so going to have had time working next week... http://ve3d.ign.com/videos/61011/PC/Mass-Effect-2/Trailer/IGN-Video-Review | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori, dude. | 21:19 |
| Damion2 | xnest shows a mouse pointer | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori, that game is probably going to kill me. | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori, assuming that EA hasn't completely destroyed Bioware. | 21:19 |
| timeless_mbp | konttori: hey, i need to complain about something :) | 21:19 |
| konttori | pupnik_: at least there was synergy for n810 | 21:19 |
| Damion2 | dpro: you seen the cursor in microB? drag from off the left of screen | 21:19 |
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| konttori | GeneralAntilles: look at the review --> clearly EA has not killed bioware | 21:19 |
| konttori | timeless_mbp: go ahead | 21:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | konttori: sorry, my memory doesn't last that long | 21:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, just, FYI, Alps switches aint buckling spring. ;) | 21:21 |
| timeless_mbp | there's definitely the "could you please get hildon-desktop to wrap labels which don't fit in the launcher" | 21:21 |
| dpro | Damion2: only works for some apps | 21:21 |
| Damion2 | dpro: true | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori, we'lle see. ;) Dragon Age came out soon enough for them to not really get their claws into to. | 21:21 |
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| konttori | I really trust EA to be very quality driven company. the only thing is that it's not been very developer friendly company. But I assume that has been changing since the public outrages about them | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quality driven? EA? | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori. . . . | 21:24 |
| dpro | ok now got a pointer in the browser ... nice ... | 21:24 |
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| konttori | GeneralAntilles: what? not the most innovative, but they know how to polish same thing again and again. | 21:24 |
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| konttori | and they tend to get better (of the same) games out all the time | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori, my experience with EA's products has always been very bad. | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | They've been marginally better lately | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | but still. | 21:25 |
| Damion2 | has zeropunctuation guy done a review yet? | 21:26 |
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| konttori | nope | 21:27 |
| Damion2 | he's funny | 21:27 |
| Damion2 | well used to be, a bit weak these days. Maybe an issue that I've not played most of the games | 21:28 |
| mikhas | how about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Angry_Video_Game_Nerd then? | 21:30 |
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| pupnik_ | just use n800 synergy package btw - works fine | 21:31 |
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| konttori | pupnik_: perfect. thanks | 21:33 |
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| Damion2 | ahha the wiki homepage link to power users tutorials is a close answer | 21:37 |
| pupnik_ | btw i tried replacing X11 pointer and that didn't do the trick - it's hidden somewhere else | 21:37 |
| Damion2 | the font it uses? | 21:38 |
| Damion2 | I did the opposite years back to get quake2 gl working the way I needed | 21:39 |
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| Damion2 | back when 3dfx was the most common and doing gl stuff defaul fullscreened. when newer DRI stuff came: default fullscreen went and ugly midscreen boxes and mouse pointers remained | 21:41 |
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| TriztN900 | sorry, had to add new nicks to my account, should have left the chan first | 21:51 |
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| Damion2 | I wonder if was me years ago grabbing Damion. | 21:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to teach Venomrush how to search for dupes. | 21:53 |
| lcuk | he comes in irc doesnt he | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't think so. | 21:54 |
| pupnik_ | "In order to comply with government search warrants on user data, Google created a backdoor access system into Gmail accounts." - Bruce Schnierer http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/23/schneier.google.hacking/index.html | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | where else have i seen him? | 21:54 |
| lcuk | is it tmo | 21:54 |
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| xorAxAx | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/poppler/libpoppler5_0.12.2-2.1.maemo5v1_armel.deb Size mismatch | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, of course. | 21:54 |
| xorAxAx | gah | 21:54 |
| xorAxAx | gah gah | 21:54 |
| xorAxAx | X-Fade: gah | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where else do all the people who make triaging fun come from? | 21:55 |
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| Stskeeps | moo | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | hey Stskeeps | 21:59 |
| lcuk | you having fun? | 21:59 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah, had a good day | 22:00 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, thats great then, did tero and sampo and stuff play gowala all day :D | 22:01 |
| lcuk | hey Khertan | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: you have no idea how often i've heard the word 'gowalla' today | 22:02 |
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| Stskeeps | hey RevdKathy, frals | 22:03 |
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| frals | ello o/ | 22:03 |
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| lcuk | haha have people taken the red bus out of the NRC yet | 22:05 |
| Trizt | has anyone here used an "USB TurboCharger 3400" to charge a N900? | 22:05 |
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| Stskeeps | RevdKathy: ping | 22:08 |
| RevdKathy | Stskeeps - am here. Sorry - struggling with the identify stuff | 22:08 |
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| frals | hmm, should probably have done the fsc before rebooting the sheevaplug, bastard hasnt come back online yet :< | 22:08 |
| frals | s/fsc/fsck/ | 22:08 |
| infobot | frals meant: hmm, should probably have done the fsck before rebooting the sheevaplug, bastard hasnt come back online yet :< | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | RevdKathy: ah - was pondering your view on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41092 | 22:09 |
| RevdKathy | How is everyone? | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | RevdKathy: from a 'new' community member point of view | 22:09 |
| lcuk | RevdKathy, im alive! | 22:09 |
| RevdKathy | So I see, lcuk. How did work go? | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | :D it went great i think, felt comfortable | 22:10 |
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| RevdKathy | lcuk - I'm so glad! You should be comfortable among your colleagues | 22:13 |
| RevdKathy | Stskeeps - it's a bit complicated for me, and I took it to be mostly aimed at developers | 22:14 |
| RevdKathy | but anything that helps people to work together collaboratively must be a good thing Stskeeps | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | RevdKathy: right.. not really for developers as such, but i must adjust my explanation better i think | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | RevdKathy: curse of being a computer science professional at times, you think everyone speaks your language :) | 22:15 |
| RevdKathy | Stskeeps: a more 'Mickey Mouse' explanation would be good. | 22:15 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:15 |
| RevdKathy | Stskeeps: more illustrations: show me how this would affect and apply to me | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | basically.. it's a way to organise small projects in the community. a project goes through different stages (waiting for another project to finish, boarding - people sign up, planning - people decide how it should be done, implementing - we do this!, completed - we're done.) | 22:16 |
| RevdKathy | Stskeeps: I read it initially as being about how certain packages are dependent on others. | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:17 |
| RevdKathy | Right now we have a situation where people stick their hand up and just 'go do it' or the complain that 'someone ought to do it' | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | whereas sometimes we need to gang up and get something done, as one person can't do it on their own | 22:17 |
| RevdKathy | This would fill that gap making a 'We do it' - much better | 22:17 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, what might be an idea is to put those principles into context with a project currently ongoing which requires such level of support | 22:17 |
| lcuk | like sheepdog | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah.. we're implementing a demo site that uses it | 22:18 |
| RevdKathy | Excellent illustration! | 22:18 |
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| lcuk | well i was thinking more walk through it with brainfirst | 22:18 |
| lcuk | and check how it fits with what we have so far | 22:18 |
| lcuk | and write the site around how its working | 22:18 |
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| lcuk | with obvious tweaks | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:19 |
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| lcuk | cos i see obvious merit in having managed project, and i cant see any better example of overall community effort | 22:19 |
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| RevdKathy | Community effort on sheepdog is amazing. WE even had someone spend all weekend practicing 'Baas' at his g/f! | 22:20 |
| lcuk | in the shower! | 22:21 |
| lcuk | tracy looked at me like i was mental when i ran downstairs to let her listen | 22:21 |
| RevdKathy | LOL! I set the dog off barking when I played at full volume | 22:21 |
| lcuk | haha | 22:21 |
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| RevdKathy | And sheepdog has been an excellent project for using people with a range of skills (including me with none) | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:24 |
| RevdKathy | At each point, the lead dev (Hopbeat) has let us know what more he needs | 22:24 |
| RevdKathy | graphics, sounds, testers, etc | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | it's basically a way to group together people for projects.. let people find eachother | 22:25 |
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| LuserN800 | Could gforge-fusion be a good starting point for a tool? | 22:25 |
| odin_ | nokia-binaries comes in version 5.0+1 and 5.0+0 how do those versions related to the 4 SDK versions and the N900 release timeline ? | 22:25 |
| LuserN800 | It handles tasks, gant graphs, .. | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | LuserN800: the entry level shuld be very low too | 22:26 |
| RevdKathy | whatever you use has to be usable for the person who's at forum level of engagement: no more tools like brainstorm and bigzilla, please! | 22:27 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:27 |
| Kegetys | anyone know if the 'temporary remap' instructions in wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard is supposed to work with the newest firmware? The xkbcomp :0 command gives me a "could not load keyboard geometry for :0"..."insufficient resources for operation" error | 22:27 |
| frals | anyone got a "morons guide how to use git on garage"? | 22:27 |
| lcuk | problem you are up against with complex tools (bugzilla,brainstorm,garage) is they are powerful for management but lack a certain something, we managed sheepdog by just a few people getting together | 22:27 |
| RevdKathy | Yeah - the main tools for sheepdog have been tmo and twitter! | 22:28 |
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| RevdKathy | with some IRC | 22:28 |
| lcuk | there has to be a way to let the creative juices flow | 22:28 |
| RevdKathy | oh, and a bus in Barcelona :p | 22:28 |
| lcuk | with a tool at the backend thats fitting to us | 22:28 |
| lcuk | and no kathy, your rabbit is not that tool. | 22:28 |
| RevdKathy | Do we need to credit the bus company? | 22:28 |
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| lcuk | :D | 22:29 |
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| RevdKathy | I don;t use the rabbit at my... no. Actually, I dont even have a rabbit. It was just a joke ;) | 22:29 |
| lcuk | ok | 22:29 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps if this tool were used by a strong advocate of the tool to discuss and liased with the members | 22:29 |
| lcuk | ie, the basic tool was human | 22:29 |
| lcuk | but plumbed that data into a database backend | 22:30 |
| lcuk | it would work | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:30 |
| LuserN800 | problem is that there a too many interfaces talking to too many interfaces | 22:30 |
| RevdKathy | sometimes I feel the interfaces get in the way of the people | 22:30 |
| RevdKathy | I know we need them because of the sheer numbers of people | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: simple tool. maybe interfacing with wiki to make it fully freeform. and maemo.org login. but that's t. | 22:31 |
| lcuk | well Stskeeps it can be more complex than that, you have defined some very important stages in project management | 22:31 |
| lcuk | and note, once someone is comfortable with whatever tool it is | 22:32 |
| lcuk | its power emerged | 22:32 |
| lcuk | emerges | 22:32 |
| lcuk | look at vi or blender | 22:32 |
| lcuk | both excpetional in their field | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | but way overpowering for the first time user | 22:32 |
| timeless_mbp | well, that's one way to store numbers or strings | 22:32 |
| lcuk | lol ok timeless emacs | 22:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | ? | 22:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm reading code which concerts numbers to hex | 22:33 |
| lcuk | oh i thogut you were crying cos i said about vi :D | 22:33 |
| timeless_mbp | and stores the strings | 22:33 |
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| lcuk | thats uqite common isnt it | 22:33 |
| lcuk | but it depends on use | 22:33 |
| timeless_mbp | not particularly efficient speed wise | 22:33 |
| frals | ah, success, fmms pushed to garage gitthingy | 22:33 |
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| lcuk | i need a secretary typist lol | 22:33 |
| lcuk | frals, great. btw GeneralAntilles is having trouble with fmms | 22:34 |
| RevdKathy | Stskeeps, looking at your outline of projects, I wonder if you need to find the people before you start | 22:34 |
| Shadikka | I never understood what's so overpowering in vi even for a new user. | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | RevdKathy: no, that's the idea - let people find the projects | 22:34 |
| * LuserN800 really thinks fusionforge might be an idea | 22:34 | |
| RevdKathy | Yes, but you outline having the people in place before you start | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:34 |
| lcuk | Shadikka, ANY of the console editors need accelerometer controlled quit command. when i shake the keyboard in frustration they should exit | 22:34 |
| RevdKathy | whereas with sheepdog, we appealed for people when we needed them | 22:35 |
| Shadikka | lcuk: Haha, that would be awesome | 22:35 |
| RevdKathy | We certainly didn't know in advance we needed a sheep-imitator! | 22:35 |
| lcuk | sheep-worrier | 22:35 |
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| RevdKathy | Shouldnt all apps close when you shake the device in frustration? | 22:36 |
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| lcuk | it would be a reasonable addition :) i think sampo wrote shake2control which can be modified to provide quit command | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | RevdKathy: there's a step where you go back to planning process to get more people on.. | 22:37 |
| frals | lcuk: I think he solved it, he didn't say anything after I asked him to launch it from xterm anyway :) | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | RevdKathy: so that might work that part | 22:37 |
| frals | also, the webfrontend for git on garage is :( | 22:37 |
| pupnik | RevdKathy: i wrote to the publisher of a popular sheep game but no answer | 22:38 |
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| RevdKathy | Stskeeps, I think I'd keep it open for others to jump onboard when they feel they have something to offer | 22:38 |
| RevdKathy | pupnik which sheep game? Whatever it is, our is going to be better. It will be Awesome! | 22:38 |
| * red is looking for someone who knows a thing or two about XML & DTD | 22:38 | |
| * RevdKathy is interested in sheep games | 22:39 | |
| RevdKathy | you having garage problems, frals? | 22:39 |
| frals | no, just disappointed in the webfrontend for scm on there, after looking at gitorious.org ;) | 22:40 |
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| pupnik | sven | 22:40 |
| lcuk | red you tried maemo-devel | 22:41 |
| lcuk | #maemo-devel | 22:41 |
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| * RevdKathy is struggling with the acronyms again: scm = student christian movement | 22:41 | |
| frals | RevdKathy: software configuration management (I think) :P | 22:43 |
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| RevdKathy | ahh thanks! you have a problem with it? | 22:43 |
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| frals | RevdKathy: Just with the webbased front-end.. compare http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon-application-manager and https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=fmms | 22:44 |
| frals | should probably just switch to gitorious.org instead... :P | 22:45 |
| ShadowJK | the second already loaded... still waiting on the first one :) | 22:46 |
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| RevdKathy | I am looking, frals, and comparing. But I have absolutely NO idea what I am looking AT! | 22:47 |
| frals | RevdKathy: :D | 22:48 |
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| RevdKathy | It might as well be greek. No, come to think of it, I have a little greek (enough to read the New Testament) | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | frals, well since most of fremantle desktop is hanging around there.. | 22:50 |
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| dpro | anyone successfully running jackd on an n900 ? | 22:50 |
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| frals | lcuk: point was comparing gitorious.org gitbrowser and garage :) | 22:51 |
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| frals | either way, gf demanding attention, must oblige, laters all :) | 22:51 |
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| pupnik | liked a cazt | 22:51 |
| dpro | ... or willing to lend a hand to get jackd and pulseaudio-module-jack up and running and play nicely ? | 22:52 |
| AndrewFBlack | Anyone have any changes they want to minimalist theme while I´m working on it | 22:52 |
| RevdKathy | is that the standard orange and grey theme? | 22:52 |
| pupnik | dpro whatr lfor? | 22:52 |
| RevdKathy | Cos if so, the ability to delete individual thread subscriptions in the control panel would be good. I have to change to 'classic' to do that | 22:53 |
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| dpro | pupnik: to run real software ;) | 22:54 |
| dmj726_n900_ | test | 22:54 |
| pupnik | watrg | 22:54 |
| dmj726_n900_ | kamui__: how is the wrapper going? | 22:55 |
| AndrewFBlack | RevdKathy, minimalist is one designed for cellphone/tabets | 22:55 |
| dpro | pupnik: there are a few things I'd like to compile for n900 and most depend on jack | 22:55 |
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| RevdKathy | ahhh gotcha. I just use classic dark on n900, AndrewFBlack | 22:56 |
| dpro | pupnik: I have it running on mine, but no sound and since rt mode doesn't work (so far) I get lot's of xruns | 22:56 |
| ShadowJK | it's kinda sad these audio daemons have regressed to a state where they no longer work without rt | 22:57 |
| dpro | but jackd, jack_metro and jack_lsp / jack_connect /look/ like they are working (silent though) | 22:57 |
| pupnik | for music sw? | 22:58 |
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| dpro | pupnik: among things yes | 22:59 |
| pupnik | chibitracker | 23:00 |
| pupnik | milkyytrackjer | 23:00 |
| pupnik | g | 23:01 |
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| dpro | pupnik: I was thinking more along the lines of supercollider, csound, chuck, pd | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | hey AndrewFBlack \o | 23:03 |
| AndrewFBlack | hey lcuk | 23:03 |
| lcuk | have you heard the sheep baas! | 23:03 |
| lcuk | can we add noises like that to themes? | 23:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - angrybirds theme. Where the icons fly in in a flocking motion. | 23:06 |
| AndrewFBlack | lcuk, I havn´t looked a sheep herde in a while how is it coming? Been so busy with about 10 other projects lol. I havn´t looked into doing any sound themes I would think it would be posible I just havn´t really looked into repleacing sounds. I think if you made one it would basiclly replace current sounds and would have to be uninstalled to get ride of it | 23:06 |
| lcuk | RevdKathy, link the good andrew up with sheep audio please | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | AndrewFBlack, set your speakers to awesome | 23:07 |
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| dpro | what's the difference between the alsa default device and hw:0 on the n900 ? | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | default device is probably pulseaudio | 23:12 |
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| RevdKathy | lcuk - hang on! | 23:14 |
| red | http://www.pidjin.net/2010/01/25/iwish/ | 23:15 |
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| RevdKathy | Sheep and their baaas here: http://mobileinfo.nomadsnirvana.com/2010/01/19/sheep-for-maemo | 23:16 |
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| sheepbat | baa? | 23:17 |
| wirelessdreamer | anyone here have good experience with any of the vpn clients in the repos connecting to a cisco anyconnect vpn? | 23:18 |
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| RevdKathy | definitely baaa sheepbat | 23:18 |
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| ShadowJK | Well openvpn certainly wont do it, it's for connecting to openvpn vpns, and it works great :) | 23:23 |
| red | those sheep sounds rofl | 23:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Are those sheep sounds for replacing the angrybirds mp3 files? | 23:24 |
| RevdKathy | No, the sheep sounds are for the sheep game :) | 23:24 |
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| lantizia | ok so I just repartitioned mmcblk0 so that home is 27gb and mydocs is 2gb | 23:28 |
| lantizia | and I don't mean "swapping them around" I mean literally sfdisk and change of start/end partition values | 23:29 |
| lantizia | and the usb works and gives you a 2gb vfat | 23:29 |
| lantizia | I'm sure I was told this was impossible | 23:29 |
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| red | hail lantizia | 23:30 |
| lantizia | lol | 23:30 |
| red | making the impossible possible! | 23:30 |
| lantizia | I remember having this looong night on IRC where I was given a long lecture about why it couldn't be done | 23:31 |
| lantizia | and tonight I just thought screw it and tried anyway | 23:31 |
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| Stskeeps | lantizia: yeah, you're probably nuking your fs'es atm :P | 23:31 |
| lantizia | Stskeeps, eh!? | 23:31 |
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| Stskeeps | lantizia: either way, it's not impossible, just noone did it sanely yet | 23:32 |
| lantizia | easy enough... copy home to home2... enter the new partition values into sfdisk... reboot... mkfs both vfat and ext3... mount home... move home2 contents back in home... mount mydocs | 23:33 |
| lantizia | obviously backing up the (original) 27gb disk first over usb | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | lantizia: ah, yeah | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | lantizia: i would add a hook in /bootmenu.sh but that's me | 23:33 |
| lantizia | what for? | 23:33 |
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| woglinde | jo | 23:35 |
| woglinde | hm lardman finished octave | 23:35 |
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| lantizia | Stskeeps, what did you mean by nuking my fs'es!? | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | lantizia: nm | 23:38 |
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| lantizia | Stskeeps, do you know (normally) what the 27gb volume name is? | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | MyDocs? | 23:40 |
| lantizia | i.e. when mounted on linux/windows does it show up as NokiaN900 or something? | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 23:40 |
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| lantizia | mkfs.vfat just gave it a random name | 23:40 |
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| t-tan | lantizia: all discussed here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35122 | 23:40 |
| lantizia | t-tan, I've just done the partitioning - without needing to read any guide lol | 23:41 |
| lantizia | t-tan, I'm asking what the actual DOS Volume Label is (out of the box) for that partition | 23:41 |
| t-tan | lantizia: why does that matter? "N900" | 23:42 |
| lantizia | it's just N900? | 23:42 |
| lantizia | it matters because when I reformatted it with mkfs.vfat it gave it a random name :) | 23:42 |
| pupnikTITS | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/23/schneier.google.hacking/index.html In order to comply with government search warrants on user data, Google created a backdoor access system into Gmail accounts. This feature is what the Chinese hackers exploited to gain access. | 23:42 |
| LuserN800 | use gpg | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | LOL | 23:43 |
| t-tan | lantizia: you can use any name you want for the label | 23:43 |
| lantizia | yeah I KNOW but I wanted the "original" name | 23:43 |
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| lantizia | actually I'll call it Pan :) thats what I name my device lol | 23:44 |
| ScribbleJ | originally it was named bob | 23:44 |
| lantizia | does it build? | 23:44 |
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| t-tan | lantizia: Pan900 then :) | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | IroN900 here ;-) | 23:45 |
| LuserN800 | does mount does not support -l option? it usually shows labels | 23:45 |
| lantizia | all my pc's/handhelds/servers are named after greek gods/goddesses/deities/personifications/giants/etc | 23:45 |
| RevdKathy | G'Night all | 23:46 |
| * ifreq is amazed. | 23:46 | |
| woglinde | nite kathy | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | better than the asian gods and goddesses we got for Openmoko | 23:46 |
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| lantizia | aww openmoko... rip | 23:47 |
| pupnikTITS | good effort, not enough money, i saw it coming | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hrhrrhrr | 23:48 |
| * lantizia puts a flower on the zaurus grave too | 23:48 | |
| * lantizia sobs | 23:48 | |
| pupnikTITS | we *have* to make maemo a success | 23:48 |
| lantizia | it already is :D | 23:48 |
| pupnikTITS | what is market share? | 23:48 |
| pupnikTITS | 0.5% | 23:48 |
| lantizia | to me it is :) | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: money wasn't the point ever | 23:48 |
| lantizia | exactly | 23:48 |
| pupnikTITS | what was then? | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lack of competence | 23:49 |
| lantizia | build something that didn't suck as much as symbian for nokia lol | 23:49 |
| mikhas | that's honest, heh | 23:49 |
| henkie- | is this the right channel for questions about the n900? | 23:49 |
| lantizia | yeah shoot | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | henkie-: some questions, yes. | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | henkie-: If you're unsure what it means metaphysically - no. | 23:50 |
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| henkie- | ok, my repositories wont update anymore through the application manager (proxy connect error) | 23:50 |
| Tenkawa | Anyone aware of a way to build a non X maemo install for a n800 | 23:50 |
| henkie- | and ovi maps doesnt load any new map data anymore | 23:50 |
| woglinde | hm sone tried -> http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/maps-support/compatibility-and-download#/nokia-n900/ ? | 23:50 |
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| mikhas | henkie-, the repo servers arent very reliable atm | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems you got a proxy configured in your internet conns setup? | 23:51 |
| javispedro | woglinde: Map loader works | 23:51 |
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| javispedro | if that's what you're asking. | 23:51 |
| * lantizia hugs Nokia... I knew you'd come through eventually | 23:52 | |
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| henkie- | DocScrutinizer, no i haven't and the connection goes through https, so i do not think my provider is doing something funny | 23:52 |
| henkie- | too bad tcpdump also doesnt work with https :) | 23:53 |
| lantizia | Umm did anyone consider perhaps LVM would make sense on mmcblk0? that way making it easy to resize whats for mountable access and whats for home? | 23:53 |
| lantizia | even though LVM is a bitch | 23:53 |
| henkie- | but if it's a common problem, I'll stop looking | 23:53 |
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| javispedro | in this case, lvm doesn't help much. | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hendry: tried to open the repo URL in browser? | 23:53 |
| LuserN800 | hendry, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle | 23:53 |
| lantizia | javispedro, why wouldn't it help? saves me from repartitioning manually | 23:54 |
| LuserN800 | click in browser | 23:54 |
| javispedro | since you end up having to resize both filesystems either way | 23:54 |
| woglinde | hi javis | 23:54 |
| javispedro | hi woglinde | 23:54 |
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| t-tan | lantizia: use loopback files, https://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/more_efficient_and_flexible_use_of_internal_flash/ | 23:54 |
| lantizia | t-tan, hell no... loopbacks won't exactly be accessible when mounted on the PC | 23:55 |
| lantizia | t-tan, I'm fine with my repartitioned mmcblk0 | 23:55 |
| t-tan | lantizia: yes, they are. that's what I'm using | 23:55 |
| javispedro | lantizia: instead of exporting a partition they export a single file | 23:55 |
| lantizia | loopbacks don't solve the issue | 23:55 |
| LuserN800 | I guess ther's also a backdoor in skype | 23:56 |
| javispedro | lantizia: agreed. | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~optification | 23:56 |
| infobot | i heard optification is a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR | 23:56 |
| t-tan | lantizia: why not? what's your issue? | 23:56 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: "partioning?" | 23:56 |
| lantizia | t-tan, want 27gb for home/opt (and I put usr and var in there too) and 2gb for USB mode.... and I've achieved that by altering the partition table and reformatting those partitions - works great | 23:57 |
| javispedro | the 256 MiB are on a separate chip | 23:57 |
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| henkie- | I tried this URL, and it reports an 'access denied', but that could be a check on my user-agent https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/Packages | 23:57 |
| lantizia | but if you use a loopback then it still has to be in a partition big enough... and as default that partition is the one that dissapears when mounted on a pc | 23:57 |
| henkie- | the extra-repository is the only one that seems to work | 23:57 |
| lantizia | so no loopbacks don't solve the issue | 23:57 |
| javispedro | lantizia: they patch ke-recv not to eport that partition but the file only. | 23:58 |
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| t-tan | lantizia: no. I mean have a single 29GB ext3 /home partition, and MyDocs as a loopback file | 23:58 |
| lantizia | javispedro, oh I'm with you - export as in USB export? | 23:58 |
| javispedro | yep | 23:58 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/IchFindeKeineRuh.mp3 i am still blown away by how beautiful that is | 23:58 |
| lantizia | ah! neat | 23:58 |
| lantizia | hmm bet that takes a bit of work | 23:58 |
| t-tan | lantizia: not very much. it's all described in my posts | 23:59 |
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