| lantizia | t-tan, well I can't access that brainstorm | 00:00 |
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| henkie- | any hints to get my maps working again? yesterday it still worked (downloaded sattelite maps of my neighbourhood) Today it refuses entirely, doesnt even try to make a network connection to the server | 00:00 |
| henkie- | i have flashbacks to my freerunner all over again :) | 00:00 |
| t-tan | lantizia: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=425359&postcount=68 | 00:00 |
| lantizia | t-tan, hmm script ediding... scripts that could revert if theres updates | 00:01 |
| lantizia | think I'll stick with what I've got | 00:02 |
| lantizia | *editing | 00:02 |
| alterego | Will the Qt based maemo6 UI stuff continue to be called hildon? | 00:02 |
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| Stskeeps | i sure hope no | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | t | 00:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:02 |
| javispedro | "DUI"? :) | 00:03 |
| alterego | Me too ... | 00:03 |
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| alterego | As I'm trying to get this naming strategy down ;) | 00:03 |
| t-tan | alterego: probably LuxQt | 00:04 |
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| woglinde | ~seen x-fade | 00:07 |
| javispedro | or just "Maemo 6 UI Framework". | 00:07 |
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| javispedro | yay openttd in extras | 00:11 |
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| javispedro | oh, wow. | 00:17 |
| javispedro | where did the diablo package promotion interface go? | 00:18 |
| uhsf | i also fear when i receive my n900 it will be very few improvement over my freerunner | 00:18 |
| Robot101 | heh heh heh | 00:18 |
| Robot101 | no its better :) | 00:18 |
| * lcuk giggles | 00:19 | |
| uhsf | just that ppl are really complaining about rough edges, no gps, etc | 00:19 |
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| javispedro | "no gps?" | 00:19 |
| javispedro | no commercial gps maps. | 00:19 |
| javispedro | (something that may change if sygic is any good) | 00:20 |
| henkie- | no one else with troubles with maps? or repositories updating? | 00:21 |
| dmj726_n900_ | we like to complain about all the little things that stop it from being perfect. | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | ovi maps has better maps than google maps and any "commercial gps maps" I've seen... :-) | 00:21 |
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| thresh | it isnt true | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | Of course, they're not that useful when there's no car-safe navigation method :/ | 00:21 |
| thresh | at least not for places where i need GPS on | 00:21 |
| dmj726_n900_ | n900 maps is bad | 00:21 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: ovi maps has even better map rendering that most commercial apps, but the app is mostly useless. | 00:21 |
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| javispedro | I feel like if the would have shipped the desktop browser plugin with a shim wrapper, which may actually be what they did :D | 00:22 |
| javispedro | s/the/they | 00:22 |
| dmj726_n900_ | not as bad as navigating in unfamiliar territory without a map, but not very good | 00:22 |
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| Damion2 | I don't like the awfl sluggishness and slow load time of nokia's maps | 00:23 |
| Damion2 | the swishness of googlemaps I miss | 00:23 |
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| javispedro | googlemaps is as useless, at least the one they made for palmos. | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | Here the maps are very detailed, the most detailed I've seen. Also, the address calculation seems very accurate except for one minor glitch: it clearly shows me on the left side of the road, yet it says I'm on RoadX 366. I'm on 365. Houses on the left side are /always/ an odd number, never an even number. So, if it simply picked 365 or 367 it'd get it right (as 367 would be valid too, it's the same distance from start of road (3670 meters) and the neigh | 00:24 |
| dmj726_n900_ | i also miss the voice and auto rerouting of garmin | 00:24 |
| javispedro | actually, it's even more useless since it doesn't allow for offline maps. | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | bours house that shares driveway :-) | 00:24 |
| henkie- | i miss the abillity to see the actual map! | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | So if they only added the "odd numbers are on the left, even numbers are on the right" logic to the code, ovi maps would show my address correctly to within 20 meters :-) | 00:24 |
| henkie- | (i'll stop complaining now) | 00:24 |
| lantizia | timeless / timeless_mbp: I don't suppose you got a hold of that UK image? :D | 00:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | sorry | 00:25 |
| timeless_mbp | i did some research | 00:25 |
| timeless_mbp | daniel promised to comment | 00:25 |
| ShadowJK | I've never seen anything "swish" about google maps.. Rotating and panning the map in ovi maps seems pretty smooth now with the upgrade though :) | 00:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | roughly: the people who created the image were idiots | 00:25 |
| RainCT | Hi | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | it's created under a process for "variants" | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | variants are stupid | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: but that's not always true | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | the variant you have is the ... Foo variant | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | (i forget which Foo it is, but it's your Carrier) | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: address numbers are _horribly_ variable globally. | 00:26 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, yes | 00:26 |
| lantizia | timeless, the UK variant?! | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | variants are not actually good | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | lantizia: it isn't the UK variant | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | it's the UK-Operator-1 variant | 00:26 |
| * javispedro wonders if the insane amount of people installing dosbox from -testing will eventually convert into an insane amount of positive votes in QA page. | 00:26 | |
| Damion2 | lantizia: I just checked: dd if=/dev/mmcblk0p1 of=blah count=1 bs=1024 && vim blah | 00:27 |
| RainCT | I'm trying to upload a package to extras-devel but it gets rejected saying that my GPG key is unknown. | 00:27 |
| timeless_mbp | whichever that stupid operator is | 00:27 |
| timeless_mbp | (Orange?) | 00:27 |
| * timeless_mbp can't remember and doesn't really want to | 00:27 | |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: how's OSM where you are? | 00:27 |
| Damion2 | lantizia: I think the label is Nokia N900 FAT32 | 00:27 |
| timeless_mbp | because it's created for a specific operator | 00:27 |
| lantizia | so I'm not meant to use even the original 41-11 version of it? | 00:27 |
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| Damion2 | lantizia: you can install mtools and use mlabel | 00:27 |
| timeless_mbp | lantizia: if i were you i would *never* touch an operator variant | 00:27 |
| javispedro | RainCT: you can use the extras assistant and retry tomorrow, it may be a temporary issue. | 00:27 |
| lantizia | Damion2, I can name the volume as mkfs.vfat time | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | you're free to do whatever you like | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, but somehow they figured out the algorithm already, except for that one detail. (House number = distance from start of road in meters divided by ten, modified so that even numbers on right and odd numbers on left, incremented if more than one house would occupy same address) | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | if i was given a device w/ an operator variant, the first thing i'd do is reflash w/ the normal non variant version | 00:28 |
| lantizia | timeless_mbp, look ok - the download site just says "UK Variant"... not "UK Orange Firmware" | 00:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | and then i'd do over the air upgrades | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, OSM is completely blank except for a coarse outline of a lake | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | lantizia: did i mention we're idiots? | 00:28 |
| Damion2 | lantizia: that throws your data away | 00:28 |
| lantizia | and it's not locked or provided by any 1 network | 00:28 |
| * SpeedEvil loves blank areas. | 00:29 | |
| lantizia | Damion2, it doesn't matter - it's a part of repartitioning anyway | 00:29 |
| timeless_mbp | i found the image because someone asked about it | 00:29 |
| Damion2 | fine :) was only trying to help | 00:29 |
| timeless_mbp | the image itself just has a number | 00:29 |
| lantizia | Damion2, thanks :) | 00:29 |
| timeless_mbp | you have to go read some secret web server content to figure out what it actually means | 00:29 |
| lantizia | timeless, 203 is the number | 00:29 |
| timeless_mbp | lantizia: i'm well aware of it | 00:29 |
| henkie- | i do miss the ethernet-over-usb | 00:30 |
| javispedro | you're already doing operator variants? god save us. | 00:30 |
| timeless_mbp | the point is: it is not the 'uk variant' | 00:30 |
| RainCT | javispedro: Thanks, that worked. By the way, is there any convention on revision numbers? I used -<debian_version>maemo<my_version> and "maemo" as target (in debian/changelog, that is) | 00:30 |
| henkie- | wifi reception is not very good at my desk | 00:30 |
| timeless_mbp | it's the 'uk variant for a specific operator' | 00:30 |
| lantizia | timeless, right so go for the global or maybe europe "variant" ? | 00:30 |
| javispedro | RainCT: actually, there is. google for "maemo packaging policy" iirc. | 00:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd grab global | 00:30 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't want variants <period> | 00:30 |
| timeless_mbp | they're stupid | 00:30 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: someone thought it was a value add | 00:30 |
| ShadowJK | Hey do any variants come with Nokia Energy Profiler? :D | 00:31 |
| * timeless_mbp looks for some sand to stick head into | 00:31 | |
| pronto | any easy way to sync google calendar with the calender on the n900 yet? | 00:31 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: since that was supposed to be dropped because of lawyers | 00:31 |
| timeless_mbp | the answer better be 'no' | 00:31 |
| timeless_mbp | pronto: you can check to see if MfE happens to work some day | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | Are they the same lawyers that put the s60 version of it up for download on a web page? :) | 00:31 |
| timeless_mbp | from memory you have a random chance of it working | 00:32 |
| henkie- | pronto, with for opensync :) | 00:32 |
| henkie- | will be ready somewhere 2018 i think :) | 00:32 |
| javispedro | ... and in 2029 it will stop mangling your contacts. | 00:32 |
| RainCT | javispedro: ok, thanks | 00:32 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway | 00:34 |
| timeless_mbp | the variant release process is apparently murky | 00:34 |
| timeless_mbp | someone supposedly owns it | 00:34 |
| timeless_mbp | and insists on doing their own testing | 00:34 |
| timeless_mbp | and perhaps the customer owner of the variant might want to do their own testing | 00:34 |
| timeless_mbp | that's the story as i got it | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm sorry. i should have just marked the bug as WONTFIX DONTWASTYOURTIME the first time around | 00:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | i deeply regret enabling that mess | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i should have stood by my original statement (made ages ago) that the uk stuff was junk | 00:35 |
| timeless_mbp | but yes, we did locate the images | 00:35 |
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| lantizia | timeless_mbp, if I'm flashing both the eMMC (don't ask why - long story) and then after the firmware (done it before with 42-11 and it works fine)... do I need a 51-1 eMMC to compliment the 51-1 firmware? | 00:37 |
| ShadowJK | hm... So I guess NEP status has changed from “The "Energy profiler" GUI application will be binary only and probably available from Garage (after couple of final fixes).” in November to notachance? :-) | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | you never *need* anything\ | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're going to reflash | 00:37 |
| lantizia | timeless_mbp, e.g. maybe the /home/opt needs some 51-1 specific packages | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | you might as well grab the latest | 00:37 |
| lantizia | oh I have | 00:37 |
| lantizia | but theres only 1 eMMC | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | the eMMC basically has a couple of icons | 00:37 |
| lantizia | so /opt (or rather /home/opt) is empty at flash time? | 00:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | i sure hope so | 00:39 |
| timeless_mbp | it'd be pretty bad mojo if it wasn't | 00:39 |
| lantizia | ok | 00:39 |
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| javispedro | rm -r'ing /opt/* at rootfs flash time is a bug report. | 00:40 |
| timeless_mbp | mostly the eMMC image is a partitioning plan and some magic pixie dust for the fat32 volume | 00:40 |
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| * timeless_mbp tries to parse that | 00:40 | |
| ShadowJK | doing it or not doing it? | 00:41 |
| mikhas | looks klingon to me | 00:41 |
| ShadowJK | I think it's about some people thinking that flashing should wipe /opt/... | 00:41 |
| javispedro | is povbot awake? | 00:41 |
| mikhas | rm r'ing, baktag! | 00:41 |
| javispedro | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7432 | 00:41 |
| povbot` | Bug 7432: /opt and /home/user not cleared after firmware reflash | 00:41 |
| javispedro | thanks. | 00:42 |
| timeless_mbp | ?@$!@$ | 00:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | ah | 00:43 |
| lantizia | timeless, this is my home brewed repartitioning guide :) http://pastebin.com/m6d9836c9 | 00:43 |
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| ShadowJK | Well, on S60 the equivalent of not wiping /home is actually branded as a feature :) | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: I can see the point. But making it optional at flash time would be better. | 00:44 |
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| javispedro | ShadowJK: I have to agree, if we're talking about /home/user . | 00:44 |
| javispedro | though /home/opt... | 00:44 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah.. opt is another story | 00:45 |
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| lantizia | timeless, obviously I'll tweak it so it doesn't mention that bad old UK variant firmware and have the nice new global one :) | 00:45 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 00:45 |
| lantizia | timeless, I can't help but wonder what else could be "budged" onto the other partition without bricking the device... got alot symlinked already | 00:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | lantizia: so | 00:47 |
| timeless_mbp | ah | 00:47 |
| timeless_mbp | you're grabbing the vanilla emmc | 00:47 |
| timeless_mbp | that's /slightly/ different | 00:47 |
| lantizia | ? | 00:47 |
| timeless_mbp | the emmc images should be customized w/ different map sets | 00:47 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. one has in theory maps for the usa | 00:48 |
| lantizia | Oh I've backed up my cities folder | 00:48 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 00:48 | |
| timeless_mbp | just noting that there's a difference between what it means to have an emmc w/ something and a rootfs w/ something | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a reason to back it up - isn't it just redownloadable? | 00:48 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, I seem to have really FUBARed hildon-desktop attempting to fix bug 8328 | 00:48 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8328 all isn't showing All applications (especially the former main screen apps) | 00:48 |
| lantizia | I only do the eMMC too so that I know /home won't be that big to copy to /home2 | 00:48 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: if you stuck data onto the eMMC | 00:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | like your home movies | 00:49 |
| lantizia | timeless, also so that there nothing in /home/opt from a previous install | 00:49 |
| timeless_mbp | then bakcing it up is a good idea | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Or for cases if you have no net connectivity - maps | 00:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | lantizia: fwiw, 2gb won't really work very well for maps | 00:49 |
| lantizia | timeless, well I can always make it bigger - what do you suggest? | 00:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i have >>2gb of maps on my n81 8gb | 00:49 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno | 00:49 |
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| lantizia | timeless, I just want the bulk of the space to be for /home not MyDocs | 00:50 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 00:50 | |
| lantizia | random figure? :) | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | just make sure people understand that you're limiting how much map data they'll be able to store | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | in addition to videos and photos | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | also if you're reflashing | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't want 42-11, you want 51-1 :) | 00:51 |
| lantizia | sure... for me it'll be a case of videos/photos go on a physcial MicroSDHC and share that MicroSDHC via NFS | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | grabbing 42-11 is just stupid, it's asking for 2 over the air updates | 00:51 |
| lantizia | yeah I've corrected that bit already | 00:51 |
| lantizia | timeless, my cities folder isn't nearly 2gb... and since I got a UK Nokia N900 - it will be UK maps... all of them I'm guessing for the UK | 00:52 |
| lantizia | timeless, so it should only grow if I go abroad? | 00:52 |
| timeless_mbp | or if you browse other parts of the world | 00:53 |
| lantizia | right | 00:53 |
| timeless_mbp | just because you're physically in the UK doesn't mean you can't look elsewhere | 00:53 |
| timeless_mbp | that'd be kinda stupid :) | 00:53 |
| lantizia | I don't use maps at all :) I don't drive | 00:53 |
| timeless_mbp | i use maps, i have no license | 00:53 |
| lantizia | only slightly handy if lost lol | 00:53 |
| mikhas | *in a manager voice* "who would need such a stupid feature?" | 00:53 |
| javispedro | and the preloaded maps only include roads, not satellite imagery. | 00:54 |
| * ShadowJK used the S60 Nokia Maps while walking to find a specific shop in city once | 00:54 | |
| lantizia | ah I see | 00:54 |
| ShadowJK | I felt slightly less stupid walking around staring at a cellphoen than walking around staring at a tomtom | 00:54 |
| * timeless_mbp used s60 maps in a whole bunch of random cities around europe | 00:54 | |
| timeless_mbp | it mostly works | 00:54 |
| timeless_mbp | or worked | 00:54 |
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| ShadowJK | I used Wayfinder on N810 out in europe.. mostly because predownloading the maps was just a few taps from the program itself | 00:55 |
| lardman | woglinde: not sure if the optimisation worked correctly mind you | 00:55 |
| lantizia | timeless, is there a way of getting your IP address... without hitting the terminal or installing an extra app? | 00:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | whatismyip.com ? | 00:56 |
| lantizia | won't show internal IP tho will it? like wifi | 00:56 |
| ifreq | no | 00:56 |
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| ifreq | is there a tracker software for n900? | 00:56 |
| lantizia | it's nuts that About Product will give you the MAC... but no where will show network status information | 00:56 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 00:56 |
| lbt | lantizia: what you need is a filling in your tooth that picks up wifi instead of FM | 00:56 |
| ifreq | somethign simple to create tunes when bored | 00:56 |
| javispedro | there used to be a ip address widget | 00:57 |
| ifreq | there is still | 00:57 |
| lantizia | javispedro, oh there still is | 00:57 |
| lbt | javispedro: homeip | 00:57 |
| ifreq | but question was "without" | 00:57 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: he asked 'without installing' | 00:57 |
| lantizia | but I'm wondering if theres anything built in | 00:57 |
| timeless_mbp | which is pretty pointless | 00:57 |
| timeless_mbp | it's stupid | 00:57 |
| javispedro | and diablo had a network status app, but that's gone. | 00:57 |
| ifreq | can anyone port this to n900 pls+ :) http://www.littlegptracker.com/download.php | 00:57 |
| * lbt thinks that if you have xterm and ifconfig then you're good | 00:58 | |
| lantizia | timeless, why!? if I want to do any serious work I want to do it over SSH - and I gotta install gainroot *JUST* so I can access ifconfig on the terminal to KNOW the IP before I SSH in... it's extra steps | 00:58 |
| lbt | anyone who understands/needs an IP can get it there | 00:58 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 00:58 |
| LuserN800 | lantizia, no need for gainroot | 00:58 |
| * ShadowJK sets his n900 to static ip on his wlan | 00:58 | |
| LuserN800 | /sbin/ifconfig | 00:58 |
| lantizia | you can't ifconfig as unpriviledged user | 00:58 |
| lantizia | ah! not in path ? | 00:59 |
| timeless_mbp | sure you can | 00:59 |
| ShadowJK | You can, you just can't change stuff | 00:59 |
| lbt | have you tried? | 00:59 |
| LuserN800 | sure, as well as you can see /proc | 00:59 |
| lantizia | ok will try that :) | 00:59 |
| Damion2 | there is a desktop widget to display your ip | 00:59 |
| lantizia | Damion2, I know :P | 00:59 |
| ifreq | Damion2: pls read backlog | 00:59 |
| timeless_mbp | Damion2: reading is important | 00:59 |
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| mikhas | reading is overrated | 00:59 |
| lantizia | lol | 00:59 |
| Damion2 | hey I'm on my phone | 00:59 |
| lbt | yeah Damion2... they don't want *sensible* answers :) | 00:59 |
| Damion2 | and watching glee | 00:59 |
| LuserN800 | or simply add /sbin to $PATH for the end of your life | 00:59 |
| * lantizia adds... GLEEEEE | 01:00 | |
| * lantizia HI DAMION2'S PHONE | 01:00 | |
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| javispedro | lantizia: so, the answer to your question is no. | 01:00 |
| lantizia | javispedro, thought so :) | 01:00 |
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| henkie- | how determining a location over a dataconnection works? | 01:00 |
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| henkie- | it seems to use my wifi connection | 01:00 |
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| henkie- | i thought it needed a 3g connection fot that | 01:01 |
| henkie- | for* | 01:01 |
| lbt | henkie-: *huge* topic | 01:01 |
| Damion2 | timeless_mbp: reading is not important. it's too close to slough | 01:01 |
| lbt | summary - it uses tcp/ip to accelerate the GPS | 01:01 |
| henkie- | lbt, got a link? :) | 01:01 |
| lbt | google.com ? :D | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | wikipedia agps | 01:01 |
| lbt | there are bug reports on it - AGPS | 01:02 |
| henkie- | ah ok, so it does use gps | 01:02 |
| lbt | for sure | 01:02 |
| henkie- | i alway thought i needed an account for apgs | 01:02 |
| lbt | builtin | 01:02 |
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| henkie- | ah cool | 01:03 |
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| henkie- | could my old nokia could also do it over 3g but it didnt have a GPS onboard | 01:03 |
| henkie- | atleast it claimed it could do it :) | 01:03 |
| lbt | very coarsely - yes | 01:03 |
| lantizia | timeless, so from that script - can you think of anything more worth moving in to /home ? | 01:04 |
| henkie- | is there an option to disconnect from wifi when it is not used? | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | henkie-: yes | 01:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | lantizia: sorry, i'm tired | 01:05 |
| timeless_mbp | and not really the right person | 01:05 |
| Damion2 | I have a script I start in /etc/ip-ip.d/ | 01:05 |
| henkie- | smartphones seem to need a small nuclear reactor these days :) | 01:06 |
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| henkie- | and i would not put that in my pants | 01:06 |
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| Kamui | well. im giving up on trying to get good battery life | 01:07 |
| Kamui | cant have your cake and eat it too | 01:07 |
| Damion2 | henkie-: I check if the keyboard is shut, if ssh is running and if not then in about 60 seconds it downs the network | 01:07 |
| Kamui | just wait for mugen to release the double capac batterty | 01:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | so | 01:09 |
| timeless_mbp | re 7432 | 01:09 |
| henkie- | Damion2, daemon running is not a problem? just no active connection? | 01:09 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem is, there are two things that can go in /opt | 01:09 |
| timeless_mbp | .deb managed 'optified stuff' | 01:09 |
| lardman | does anyone know how the cells in a QTableWidget are sized? | 01:09 |
| timeless_mbp | user manually installed non .deb applications | 01:09 |
| timeless_mbp | arguably the former should die if the rootfs dies | 01:10 |
| timeless_mbp | but the latter shouldn't | 01:10 |
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| javispedro | timeless: you leave users in a pretty funny if they reflash after filling /opt. | 01:10 |
| javispedro | *funny state. | 01:10 |
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| * timeless_mbp nods | 01:11 | |
| javispedro | oh, libicd_policy_idle.so was actually removed from fremantle. | 01:12 |
| javispedro | it was a nice way to set the idle timeout. | 01:12 |
| Damion2 | henkie-: the script exits when it downs the interface, it's started again on if up | 01:12 |
| luke-jr | bootmenu's USB networking mode-- what's the root pass? :P | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Elvish for friend. | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh no - that's slackware | 01:14 |
| Damion2 | henkie-: I want to add more logic like looks for bytes TX | 01:14 |
| Damion2 | maybe pick some other apps to hold the net open or look for scrfeen inactivity | 01:14 |
| * Damion2 is a slaskware man :) | 01:15 | |
| Damion2 | slackware | 01:15 |
| henkie- | Damion2, network stays up here, but that's because i am currently charging | 01:15 |
| henkie- | +maybe | 01:15 |
| Damion2 | yeah but you also aint running my script | 01:15 |
| henkie- | haha, true | 01:16 |
| wiretapped | FSF to protest apple's launch: http://www.defectivebydesign.org/apple-tablet-san-francisco-launch | 01:16 |
| * SpeedEvil too. | 01:16 | |
| henkie- | i misread | 01:16 |
| Damion2 | henkie-: I like the idea of not idling off if charging... | 01:16 |
| Damion2 | I'll paste | 01:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | I also want to turn off wifi-ps if fully charged | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | or if turning it on will not impact charge time | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | or charged of course | 01:18 |
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| ifreq | http://www.maemomobiletalk.com/2009/09/17/hamcentral/ | 01:20 |
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| dpro | hrmmm ... is is normal that stuff I write in vim via ssh on the n900 disappears from my ~/My* dir after a reboot ? | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | dpro: were you using USB? | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | because MyDocs is a file system | 01:21 |
| dpro | timeless_mbp: wifi | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | which gets unmounted when you use mass storage | 01:22 |
| timeless_mbp | if you write stuff to the underlying file system | 01:22 |
| timeless_mbp | you won't see it when MyDocs is mounted | 01:22 |
| dpro | ah ... never got that to work properly anyway .. I just sshfs ... will stop trying that then :) | 01:22 |
| * dpro *hopes* that ATM it's "charging only" | 01:22 | |
| dpro | timeless_mbp: it's just weird, I should turn this all to ext2 I don't give a **** if a win/mac can mount it | 01:23 |
| Damion2 | I find it much more use to usbnet, ssh in and use rsync if I want stuff off the device | 01:25 |
| dpro | Damion2: which wouldn't have any problems with ext* as the fs | 01:25 |
| Damion2 | so yeah I agree. although 2GB is fine for me | 01:25 |
| dpro | Damion2: but all the tv shows :P | 01:26 |
| Damion2 | I have a vast unused block of data I can store stuff like .wad files in and symlink them back | 01:26 |
| Damion2 | it's a pain that the mp4's aren't compatible with the ps3 | 01:27 |
| dpro | I'm new to this and it took me about 10 minutes today to realize that vfat doesn't know anything about permissions and ownership so I had to cp my first binaries to /root to actually run them ... wasted 10 minutes | 01:28 |
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| javispedro | fwiw, $HOME is ext3. | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | /opt/maemo/bin is probably a nice place for binaries too | 01:29 |
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| ShadowJK | or /home/user | 01:29 |
| ShadowJK | /root uses precious rootfs space :P | 01:29 |
| Damion2 | MyDocs is mounted noeec | 01:29 |
| Damion2 | noexec | 01:29 |
| dpro | that was just for testing "hello world" so NP | 01:29 |
| javispedro | $HOME is not in MyDocs. | 01:30 |
| dpro | needed to check my xdev environment | 01:30 |
| Damion2 | dpro: I'm new too | 01:30 |
| Damion2 | I've been reading the wiki but it's not enough | 01:31 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Bug 8328 now seems to be properly fixed. | 01:32 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8328 all isn't showing All applications (especially the former main screen apps) | 01:32 |
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| dpro | Damion2: what are you trying to do anyway ? | 01:33 |
| Damion2 | has anyone tried compiling mediatomb? | 01:33 |
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| dpro | Damion2: nope - have you ? | 01:34 |
| Damion2 | dpro: my todo list is long, but a few things: sticky ctrl, ffmpeg magic for converting the mp4s for the ps3 | 01:35 |
| Damion2 | dpro: I tried to run twonkyserver | 01:35 |
| Damion2 | one of the daemons segvs | 01:35 |
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| dpro | mediatomb here says "require Automake 1.9, but have 1.8.5" and I'm not familiar enough with sb to change that without maybe breaking sth else | 01:39 |
| woglinde | user SBOX_DEFAULT_AUTOMAKE=1.9 | 01:40 |
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| dpro | woglinde: cheers, let's see how far it gets this time ... ouch mysql ... | 01:41 |
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| ph1l | oh, man, bootchart is a beast! n900 has no mercy within init scripts :-) | 01:46 |
| dpro | great - just built my first actually usefull deb for n900 | 01:47 |
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| ph1l | dpro, my i can ask what the app is it? | 01:47 |
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| dpro | ph1l: jhead :) | 01:47 |
| ph1l | uh, exif-stuff... great | 01:48 |
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| LuserN800 | ph1l, can you post a result of bootchart somewhere? | 01:50 |
| dpro | ph1l: yeah I find my make, model, camera settings, gps coords aren't anyone's business really ;) | 01:50 |
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| ph1l | LuserN800, sadly still no success... had to write some helper apps... but i will for sure :-) | 01:51 |
| LuserN800 | ah ok. I could have a look on how to do it for my n800 meanwhile :) | 01:52 |
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| ph1l | have a link? | 01:53 |
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| ph1l | this /sbin/preinit-stuff drive me crazy :-) | 01:53 |
| javispedro | http://people.collabora.co.uk/~zimmerle/bootchart-fremantle-production.svg | 01:54 |
| ph1l | hhow did you replace the init script? | 01:55 |
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| LuserN800 | thanks javispedro | 01:55 |
| ph1l | thx | 01:55 |
| javispedro | not mine | 01:55 |
| LuserN800 | what a mess :) | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I noticed some stupids. | 01:55 |
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| ph1l | yeah, upstart :-) | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - ps|grep name|awk '{print $1}' | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | instead of pidof | 01:56 |
| ph1l | wow, just realised, it's from the n900 thx verymuch! | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | each one of those eats ~25ms of CPU | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | And sure - it's only maybe .1s in total - but... | 01:57 |
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| LuserN800 | :) | 01:57 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: filed them in bugzilla? | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | not yet. | 01:58 |
| LuserN800 | with the patch ;) | 01:58 |
| javispedro | ah, I remember you were asking that a few days ago | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I was wanting to understand why they were there and if they were in fact in the boot sequence. | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't confirmed that. | 01:58 |
| LuserN800 | what happens between 25s and 30s? xorg? | 01:59 |
| javispedro | the hands video | 01:59 |
| javispedro | (I guess) | 01:59 |
| javispedro | (aka hildon-welcome) | 01:59 |
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| ph1l | i'm researching the boot process because i want to know if theres already a Xserver when the /home gets mounted | 02:01 |
| ph1l | ... because i would like to find a way to enter a password... | 02:01 |
| greenfly | ph1l: heh, I'm considering setting up something similar | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | The 'right' way would seem to be to do the xdm thing | 02:02 |
| LuserN800 | yep.. some sleep, some grep | 02:02 |
| greenfly | at least, if you are trying to set up encrypted /home | 02:02 |
| dpro | does anyone know what it would take to get realtime operation going on an n900 ? | 02:02 |
| ph1l | hehe, greenfly... | 02:02 |
| javispedro | my wild guess is that xorg is up since the first time the dots animation flickrs | 02:02 |
| greenfly | waiting on my microSD card to arrive though | 02:02 |
| javispedro | er.. flickers. | 02:03 |
| dpro | /etc/security/limits.conf doesn't seem to make a difference ... | 02:03 |
| greenfly | ph1l: what I thought might be cool is to set up the encrypted partition on the microSD and use symlinks or something from the regular home | 02:03 |
| ph1l | greenfly, what kind of enc do you use? i'll thought encfs would be great | 02:03 |
| greenfly | ph1l: or set it up such that the microSD mounts on top of the regular /home | 02:03 |
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| greenfly | that way if you remove the microSD, you get defaults and things look normal | 02:04 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, i think the progress bar isn't drawn by X | 02:04 |
| * dpro never found the sound of jack_metro quite so soothing as it is now | 02:04 | |
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| greenfly | ph1l: hmm I hadn't gotten that far yet | 02:04 |
| * ShadowJK has booted his N900 so rarely he doens't exactly remember what happens | 02:04 | |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: "progress bar"? | 02:04 |
| ShadowJK | isn't there a moving progress bar when it boots | 02:04 |
| ph1l | have armel-encfs build already... | 02:04 |
| javispedro | nope. | 02:04 |
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| ph1l | but no way to enter the password :-) | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: very shortly after | 02:04 |
| ShadowJK | Well, whatever fb-progress does, anyway :) | 02:05 |
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| ShadowJK | before Xorg starts | 02:05 |
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| greenfly | ph1l: if I had to guess, I'd say /home is mounted first, as part of the standard startup | 02:05 |
| ph1l | sounds like we have to build the password-dialog within framebuffer | 02:05 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: on the n810 fb-progress is doing its thing right until h-d appears. | 02:05 |
| javispedro | but on the n900, xorg is launched quite early iirc | 02:06 |
| greenfly | at least traditionally, X was last to start (although that's different now with U9.10 and on afaik) | 02:06 |
| ph1l | /home is mounted within /etc/init.d/rcS-late (or /etc/event.d) | 02:06 |
| javispedro | (I am reasoning this since the PIN entry dialog is a X11 dialog and gets in quite early) | 02:06 |
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| greenfly | yeah, the n900 linux seems to have inherited a lot of the latest ways to boot from U9.10 | 02:06 |
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| greenfly | (like everything being an upstart script) | 02:06 |
| greenfly | ph1l: what I'm probably going to do is modify the udev script that mountes the microSD | 02:07 |
| greenfly | s/mountes/mounts/ | 02:07 |
| infobot | greenfly meant: ph1l: what I'm probably going to do is modify the udev script that mounts the microSD | 02:07 |
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| ph1l | i haven't played with microSD atm... | 02:08 |
| greenfly | I'd like to keep all the encrypted data off in a portable form :) | 02:08 |
| ph1l | but /home gets definitly mounted before Xserver (sadly) | 02:08 |
| greenfly | it's too bad you have to remove the back case to get to it | 02:08 |
| greenfly | it'd be nice to just swap back and forth with the n900 and my laptop | 02:09 |
| ph1l | greenfly, yes true | 02:09 |
| greenfly | ph1l: what you may have to do is something similar to what the easy chroot guys do | 02:09 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders one-time 2d barcodes printed on extra-strong-mints. | 02:09 | |
| greenfly | and have it in an encrypted loopback filesystem within /home | 02:09 |
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| ph1l | does anybody knows where this dots come from (bootup status bar)? | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | ph1l: read /etc/init.d/fb* | 02:10 |
| greenfly | ph1l: the "MODS share your MODS" or whatever thread in talk.maemo.org talks about it | 02:10 |
| greenfly | because some people have changed it out | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Oooh - you can even customeise the dots easily :) | 02:11 |
| ph1l | greenfly, i dont think that chroot is the way to go... sounds... to much of a hack... | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | greenfly: what's wrong basically with removing backlid? linux has a way to unmount the uSD this way | 02:11 |
| ph1l | greenfly, i would like to see something like "prebootauth" | 02:12 |
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| greenfly | DocScrutinizer: the way you have to sorta rip the back lid off the n900, I'd be uncomfortable doing it daily | 02:12 |
| ShadowJK | N8x0 had small door/flap, which it could also detect if it was open | 02:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if he needs *any* display to enter a authenication keypress(-sequence? combination?) on early boottime | 02:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | greenfly: ack. feels like killing a chicken | 02:13 |
| * simula hides his pet chicken | 02:14 | |
| SpeedEvil | Well - at least you can have an animated penguin on early boot easily | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | hoooray | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | (replace the indicator_update* images with something else | 02:15 |
| ph1l | just to be shure, the dots are displayed within framebufer right? | 02:15 |
| javispedro | no | 02:15 |
| javispedro | well | 02:15 |
| javispedro | the first ones are. | 02:15 |
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| javispedro | after Xorg is started, they're drawn by a Gtk+ app. | 02:16 |
| ph1l | aaah, thx, thats why the confusion came from, just the first ones... :-) | 02:16 |
| ph1l | thx | 02:16 |
| javispedro | and I believe the hand off is made when it "flickers" early in the boot process | 02:16 |
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| * DocScrutinizer envisions a nice coloful sequence of indicator LED, and authentication is done by pressing and releasing the right kbd button the right time (alias color) | 02:18 | |
| dpro | ok before I go any further with all the red wine ... how hard is it to brick one of those n900s ? | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | press on second blue flash, release on first orange after | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | dpro: brick as in make unflashable - unsure. | 02:19 |
| javispedro | relatively easy if you're aiming for the right target. | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | or rahter unflashable with the normal software | 02:19 |
| hd1 | hmph | 02:19 |
| javispedro | :) | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think screwing with anything on / will do it | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | writing to some mmc partitions might | 02:19 |
| dpro | SpeedEvil: the latter | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | or rather - the onenand | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | the mmc is safe | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | at least in terms of not bricking | 02:20 |
| dpro | oh and BTW where is the actual sources.list ? the app manager is a bit cumbersome | 02:21 |
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| javispedro | in the usual place(s). | 02:23 |
| javispedro | /etc/apt | 02:23 |
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| javispedro | /etc/apt/sources.list.d etc. | 02:23 |
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| pupnik | javispedro pupnik.de/FUCKIT.zip | 02:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, really? | 02:32 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: downloa it | 02:32 |
| javispedro | erm... pupnik, was that for me? | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, no, that one is FUCKYOU.zip. :P | 02:33 |
| javispedro | :( | 02:34 |
| lantizia | night folks | 02:34 |
| javispedro | crashing through a netjoin into the room only to see that is always comforting :) | 02:34 |
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| lardman | night | 02:39 |
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| phreck | sup everyone | 02:42 |
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| javispedro | ohmy, is a USSD bug filed _daily_ | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: huh? | 02:48 |
| javispedro | bugzilla "spam" | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | *100# issue? | 02:49 |
| javispedro | yep | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, purty much. | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, the DUPLICATE rate is skyrocketing. | 02:49 |
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| javispedro | maybe a "suggested duplicates" feature (ala tmo) could help | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, the default search needs to be fixed to search RESOLVED and CLOSED bugs. | 02:52 |
| javispedro | still, consdering it's the _most frequent duplicate_ according to the link in the file bug page... | 02:53 |
| javispedro | probably nothing other than just redirecting bugs with certain keywords to youtube will help. | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any improvements are waiting on 3.4. | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe so many people seem to REQUIRE USSD. | 02:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I've used it maybe once or twice since I started carrying a cellphone daily. | 02:55 |
| javispedro | I can understand -- here even the largest mobile operator staff _is going to be really confused_ if you tell them that dialing *#stuff# doesn't work for checking your balance in your phone | 02:55 |
| Arkenoi | USSD is the most common way to use prepaid cards for payments | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | (something like 11 years now) | 02:55 |
| Arkenoi | and the most common way to check account balance | 02:55 |
| javispedro | still, I am yet to see any telco not providing an alternative way | 02:56 |
| javispedro | *alternate | 02:56 |
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| javispedro | though again, I repeat that the reason I love this platform is because you can fix the manufacturer' glaring omissions :) | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | fMMS. QED. | 02:59 |
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| glyph | javispedro: on that note, is there a hack available anywhere to provide per-contact ringtones? :) | 03:00 |
| derf | I have never understood why so many default bug searches that exclude RESOLVED and CLOSED. | 03:00 |
| javispedro | I think so. | 03:00 |
| glyph | javispedro: oh, awesome. I haven't managed to find it yet via google or apt. do you have a pointer? | 03:01 |
| javispedro | no, but I guess TMO. | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, Bugzilla default. | 03:01 |
| sp3000 | derf: yeah it's annoying. the organic thesaurus data is right there and then it goes ignore that ;) | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, we really need to change that. . . . | 03:01 |
| glyph | javispedro: "TMO"? | 03:01 |
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| javispedro | talk.maemo.org | 03:02 |
| sp3000 | derf: presumably it's a reasonable default when you're working on fixing stuff, rather than reporting and triaging and such | 03:02 |
| derf | Who _searches_ for bugs when they're working on fixing stuff? | 03:03 |
| pupnik | hey | 03:03 |
| pupnik | who wants to learn who preceeded most of the techno | 03:03 |
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| sp3000 | well, queries for stuff ...but, yeah, that sort of query will tend to do things other than default anyway | 03:04 |
| sp3000 | so yeah maybe not a strong point :) | 03:04 |
| * GeneralAntilles thinks good thought's in Karsten's direction to get 3.4 done. | 03:05 | |
| sp3000 | is that stuff like, guided bug form with an iframe for the topdups like on bmozorg? | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: I have *31#<number> entries in my contacts, for friends I *always* want to call with my number showing up. Then there are other entries like #31#<number>. Up to you to guess what these do... | 03:06 |
| sp3000 | or something in that ballpark | 03:06 |
| sp3000 | DocScrutinizer, grenade launcher? | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, yeah, that stuff. | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, though I think there are plans for a more wizard-like approach to the guided form. | 03:07 |
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| javispedro | bah. | 03:07 |
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| * sp3000 puts on his robe and wizard hat | 03:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, grenade launcher is *#1570# | 03:07 |
| javispedro | pulseaudio tcp remote clients work. | 03:07 |
| javispedro | now they'll ask me what I did and I don't know since I've not done anything special. | 03:08 |
| ali1234 | wiping and reflashing every time nokia squeezes out an update is starting to get a bit annoying | 03:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, er? | 03:09 |
| javispedro | easy solution. just wait for 9 months, and tada! no more upgrades. | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, you realize updates are pushed through h-a-m, right? :) | 03:10 |
| ali1234 | right | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | all sorts of more specific call diverting also not supported by GUI. *61*<divert-to-number>*<time># not working due to USSD bug | 03:10 |
| ali1234 | it tells me to use PC suite | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, have you been using Extras-testing or -devel? | 03:10 |
| javispedro | which means you broke the mp-fremantle package | 03:10 |
| ali1234 | yep | 03:10 |
| Andrewfblack | I don't get why n900 doesn't work with ovi suite | 03:10 |
| javispedro | probably because you installed ogles1.1 | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have conflicting packages installed. | 03:10 |
| ali1234 | probably | 03:10 |
| javispedro | which until pr1.1 conflicted with mp-fremantle-pr blabla | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | kittori told me they're working on it. So probably fixed soon | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, when you deal with beta and alpha software, expect things to break. :) | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, that's not Nokia's fault. | 03:11 |
| ali1234 | not nokia's fault? | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | (USSD that is) | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/kitorri/konttori/ | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, indeed. | 03:11 |
| ali1234 | it's the fault of whoever put broken packages on the repo... | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, which aint Nokia. | 03:11 |
| ali1234 | that would be... maemo.org | 03:11 |
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| ali1234 | aka "you guys" | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, -testing and -devel are not stability or functionality guaranteed. | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, the warnings about the software in those repositories are numerous and hard to miss. | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, in fact, Nokia shows you one everytime you install software from them. | 03:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, if you want the QAed stuff, use Extras. | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, otherwise you really don't have a foot to stand on. | 03:12 |
| ali1234 | nokia shows a warning any time i install things form extras too | 03:12 |
| ali1234 | also the fact remains that i will just install all these packages again once i have updated | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, you've forfeited your right to bitch and moan. | 03:13 |
| ali1234 | so it's a conflicting package you say? | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, yes. | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | qt4-phonon is a popular culprit. | 03:13 |
| ali1234 | i forfeit my right to report bugs by testing software specifically uploaded to be bug-tested? | 03:14 |
| javispedro | ... which ironically is made by nokia, but the point is still valid :) | 03:14 |
| ali1234 | that's true irony | 03:14 |
| * Andrewfblack wish there was a way to block non devs from -devel | 03:14 | |
| javispedro | I'd wish that too. | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, no, you forfeit your right to bitch and moan. | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | <ali1234> wiping and reflashing every time nokia squeezes out an update is starting to get a bit annoying | 03:14 |
| ali1234 | well it is | 03:14 |
| javispedro | now I can't upload anything to -devel without getting an email in less that 24 hours from someone who installed it and is surprised it deleted all its settings | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, lol. | 03:15 |
| Andrewfblack | javispedro, I got one once before i even had time to download the app my self | 03:15 |
| ali1234 | i doubt i have qt4 installed | 03:15 |
| ali1234 | qt4-phonon sorry | 03:15 |
| ali1234 | so it must be the GLES stuff | 03:16 |
| javispedro | probably | 03:17 |
| javispedro | i filed the bug | 03:17 |
| ali1234 | why does it conflict anyway? | 03:17 |
| ali1234 | does the updated firmware have gles1.1 as default? | 03:17 |
| ali1234 | or do they just conflict with any packages not in extras just to annoy people? | 03:17 |
| javispedro | nope, but at least the one in tableeter is "compatible" with the device gles2.0 | 03:17 |
| javispedro | (in pr1.1) | 03:17 |
| ali1234 | don't understand what you mean | 03:18 |
| ali1234 | they're two different libraries | 03:18 |
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| ali1234 | no reason not to have them both installed | 03:18 |
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| javispedro | on pr1.0 they conflicted | 03:18 |
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| ali1234 | funny, they don't conflict here | 03:18 |
| ali1234 | i have both installed, it works fine | 03:18 |
| javispedro | because you probably downgraded gles2.0 (yes you can do that) | 03:19 |
| dpro | ok so I just try to build a package with a rather elaborate SConstruct, but there is no "subprocess" module in sb ... anyone familiar enough with scons to tell me what I should change "subprocess.call(['sh', 'setMainVersion.sh'])" to ? | 03:19 |
| ali1234 | hmm | 03:19 |
| ali1234 | the reason i can't update OTA is because "E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/." | 03:19 |
| javispedro | no, that's the reason you can't use apt-get upgrade | 03:19 |
| javispedro | h-a-m does not use /var/cache/apt | 03:19 |
| ali1234 | yeah, it doesn't report any conflicts | 03:19 |
| javispedro | h-a-m is much more strict about things | 03:20 |
| ali1234 | i see | 03:20 |
| javispedro | (probably) with reason | 03:20 |
| ali1234 | i will temporarily bind-mount on that dir and use apt-get | 03:20 |
| javispedro | yeah, some people did that. | 03:20 |
| ali1234 | HAM still sucks i guess | 03:20 |
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| javispedro | it seems to work with this update. | 03:20 |
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| andres | hm - am I the only one getting "Size mismatch" errors when updating atm? | 03:23 |
| ali1234 | btw is there any way to see what packages HAM is disliking? | 03:24 |
| ali1234 | or do i just have to guess? | 03:24 |
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| jebba | ali1234: apt-get update -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache | 03:29 |
| ali1234 | too late, i already did it | 03:29 |
| ali1234 | i assume you mean dist-upgrade too | 03:30 |
| ali1234 | or is that how to see conflicts? | 03:30 |
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| Damion2 | my / rapidly approached 0 when I did that. I raced to address it and eventually it seemed to work, I won't do it again | 03:31 |
| ali1234 | what's the worst that can happen? i have to reflash it? lol | 03:31 |
| Damion2 | there is a list of common / fillers to remove and then the ota works | 03:31 |
| ali1234 | i have no faith in HAM any more anyway | 03:31 |
| * Damion2 lacks a desktop to used easily | 03:31 | |
| ali1234 | i will stick to apt-get from now on | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bad plan. | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | But you seem to like reflashing, so carry on. | 03:33 |
| ali1234 | yeah, terrible plan | 03:33 |
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| ali1234 | "wah wah wah" | 03:33 |
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| dpro | ok coming closer ... anyone knows if there's a less ancient scons for sb that will run with sb's aaaaancient pythn | 03:34 |
| dpro | s/pythn/python ?/ | 03:34 |
| infobot | dpro meant: ok coming closer ... anyone knows if there's a less ancient scons for sb that will run with sb's aaaaancient python ? | 03:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, sounds like your line. | 03:34 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 03:35 |
| ali1234 | i'm famous for complaining | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can tell. :) | 03:35 |
| andres | famous or infamous... | 03:35 |
| ali1234 | infamous i guess | 03:35 |
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| shinkamui | whats going on | 03:50 |
| javispedro | dogs and cats are living together and people are dying | 03:51 |
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| Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles, Interested in going to any Linux Shows for Maemo/Mer Next year? | 03:56 |
| Andrewfblack | or this year I mean lol | 03:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, any suggestions? | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, you want to arrange a table, I'll be happy to play expert. ;) | 03:58 |
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| Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles, This year I am doing SELF, Atlanta Linus Fest and Florida Linux Show again | 03:58 |
| Andrewfblack | SELF is going to be a long drive this year they moved it to spartanburg, sc | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Long drive indeed. | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bet I can do Atlanta and FLS, though. | 04:00 |
| Andrewfblack | ok, this will be first year for Atlanta for me going to start checking into a table for it soon, I know I can get a table at FLS no problem | 04:02 |
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| Andrewfblack | Maybe we can get this Linux Show sponsorship thing figure out soon and we an get our expenses paid | 04:03 |
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| javispedro | ~seen pycage | 04:09 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'pycage', javispedro | 04:09 |
| Arkenoi | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/25/keepin-it-real-fake-part-cclii-nokia-n900-commits-s60-5th-frau/ lol | 04:10 |
| Arkenoi | and it is dual sim, has portrait mode and j2me! | 04:10 |
| javispedro | DEALBREAKER! | 04:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, Talk. | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta love it. | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, lcuk! | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Making my life so much easier. | 04:12 |
| javispedro | and interesting | 04:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles can't believe people actually managed to open the lens cover while taking the device out of their pockets. | 04:14 | |
| GeneralAntilles | That's up there with people who complain about the lock slider unlocking the device accidentally. <_< | 04:14 |
| ali1234 | yeah cos a "feature" that does the exact opposite of what it is supposed to do is actually very good | 04:14 |
| javispedro | O.o | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | When you use a case that isn't designed for the device, expect hardware features to behave badly. | 04:15 |
| ali1234 | when you blah blah feeble excuse, expect blah blah bad things | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, if you've got nothing useful to contribute, kindly move on to more productive pursuits. :) | 04:16 |
| javispedro | if you not blablablablablabla, move on to blablablabla pursuits >:) | 04:16 |
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| javispedro | ah.. and using module-tunnel-sink invokes the dreaded PA client library dead lock | 04:19 |
| javispedro | how nice. | 04:19 |
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| javispedro | oh, more "VOTE FOR MY BUGS" campaigns in TMO | 04:24 |
| * GeneralAntilles is just a bit tired of Maemo today. | 04:25 | |
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| javispedro | I'm going to open a new thread for people to vote for my media.role bug. | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | THIS is why I want the votes-to-UNCONFIRM count raised. . . . | 04:27 |
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| javispedro | actually I'm going to create a webservice where you click on a link and it automatically registers a bmo account, votes for the bug, files a few duplicates for it and then adds the created account to all of the bugs cc lists. | 04:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't know why so many people hate reason and productivity. | 04:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Please make it send Viagra spam disguised as technical comments. | 04:29 |
| javispedro | "My telco sends me Viagra advertisements using USSD codes!" | 04:30 |
| javispedro | *changes severity to "critical" | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | We should add a "Super fucking important" priority. | 04:31 |
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| ali1234 | the idea is to keep on filing bug reports until such time as *actually fixing the bugs* becomes less time consuming than marking them WONTFIX and arguing with the submitters | 04:32 |
| javispedro | sounds like a super villain masterplan. | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | ali1234, yeah, because that's clearly the problem at hand here. | 04:34 |
| javispedro | 'yesterday' is not a legal date. | 04:35 |
| javispedro | bah. | 04:35 |
| zash | woot | 04:36 |
| zash | javispedro: strtotime() in fscken php accepts that! :P | 04:37 |
| shinkamui | damn | 04:42 |
| shinkamui | trying to build a native copy of lmms in the scratchbox | 04:42 |
| shinkamui | its murder on me | 04:42 |
| shinkamui | seriously, errors left and right, very stupid too, its like jacking off with Icy Hot | 04:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: now - 1 day is though. yesterday olso should work on GNU | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/olso/also | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> date -d yesterday #-> Mo 25. Jan 03:53:51 CET 2010 | 04:54 |
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| javispedro | fortunately, -1 was accepted | 04:55 |
| javispedro | (meaning -1 day :P ) | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | For? | 04:56 |
| javispedro | random queries in bugzilla :P | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1d, 1w, 1m, etc. | 04:57 |
| villager | I read in the newspaper that facebook makes people dumber and more selfish... maybe that's what's going on | 04:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | villager, I'd buy it. | 04:57 |
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| shinkamui | GeneralAntilles, not so hard to believe, my lense cover is hosed | 05:00 |
| shinkamui | not spring loaded anymore | 05:00 |
| shinkamui | slides open and closed at will | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, how'd that happen? | 05:00 |
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| javispedro | I can't believe screenshot-tool is gone | 05:01 |
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| javispedro | ah, it's in devtools. sorry. | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://vmlinux.org/cgi-bin/info2www?(coreutils)Date+input+formats | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas on maemo5 we got friggin messybox instead of decent coreutils :-( | 05:04 |
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| shinkamui | no idea GeneralAntilles just broke o its own | 05:09 |
| shinkamui | read in the forum about the issue | 05:09 |
| shinkamui | nokia wouldn't replace it | 05:09 |
| shinkamui | my retailer had no more units | 05:09 |
| shinkamui | wasn't a huge deal to me, so I read in the forum how to fix it | 05:09 |
| shinkamui | fix worked for about a week, | 05:10 |
| shinkamui | assume the glue broke or something over time, or the metal spring bent permanently | 05:10 |
| shinkamui | figured fuxk it, waiting for mugens 2600mah battery then Ill buy that and the replacement cover | 05:10 |
| shinkamui | less than a month away | 05:10 |
| shinkamui | ls | 05:10 |
| pronto | eh, how does one send a text message to someone not in your contacts list | 05:11 |
| pronto | and never mind, i feel stupid now | 05:11 |
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| pronto | or not really, tried to send a text to my email and it says not one of my contacts O_o | 05:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, interesting. | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, spring is plastic on my proto. | 05:14 |
| shinkamui | the little one in this retail unit is metal | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or maybe not. | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's metal | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Broken | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 05:15 |
| shinkamui | well, bent I assume | 05:15 |
| greenfly | pronto: you can SMS an email address? | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, checked eBay for backplates? | 05:15 |
| pronto | greenfly: umm yeah... | 05:15 |
| shinkamui | naah, figure Ill just wait | 05:15 |
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| shinkamui | it works, just doesn't lock in eithe rdirection | 05:15 |
| pronto | i've done it many ttimes on many phones :\ | 05:15 |
| greenfly | pronto: weird, never knew that | 05:15 |
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| pronto | thats how like ALL my non tech friends get pictures of there phones :| | 05:16 |
| pronto | send the pic to there email | 05:16 |
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| shinkamui | anyone care to share with me how to apply multiple patch files from a debian source | 05:20 |
| shinkamui | patch -p1 < [*.patch] | 05:21 |
| shinkamui | ? | 05:21 |
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| cehteh | for i in *.patch; do patch -p1 <$i; done ? | 05:23 |
| shinkamui | cehteh, that would probably work | 05:23 |
| shinkamui | I hope this helps with this build | 05:23 |
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| pronto | so anyone know how to send a SMS to someone NOT in your contacts list o.O | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat *.patch >megapatch: patch -p1 megapatch | 05:25 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: that will not work .. | 05:27 |
| cehteh | patch -p1 <megapatch :) | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah missed the < | 05:27 |
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| shinkamui | cehteh, your bash script worked fine | 05:28 |
| shinkamui | now im reconfiging, hope those patches fix this build problem | 05:28 |
| cehteh | well you better sort the patches .. dunno if the *.patch does that | 05:28 |
| shinkamui | building lmms is not working out very well, I hope its actually as useful as the easydebian demo video made it look | 05:28 |
| shinkamui | cehteh, they're debian source patches, sorted by leading numbers | 05:29 |
| cehteh | yes but i dont know if * orders | 05:29 |
| cehteh | shell stuff | 05:29 |
| shinkamui | aah, good point | 05:30 |
| cehteh | might be ordered by mtime/ctime as well, i forgot | 05:30 |
| cehteh | or completely unordered | 05:30 |
| shinkamui | I had just assumed its already ordered alphabetically | 05:30 |
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| cehteh | maybe its even ordered alphabethically | 05:31 |
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| cehteh | i just forgotten :P | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I guess it's undefined | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually alphabetical though | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo *.patch | 05:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well it occurs to me sysv init relies on alphabetical sort order of * shell expansion | 05:36 |
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| cehteh | maybe it is well defined | 05:38 |
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| cehteh | i didnt argue against it .. just forgotten the fact :) | 05:39 |
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| shinkamui | if this fails, Im calling it quits for tonight | 05:40 |
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| shinkamui | does anyone have easy debian mount on startup? | 05:45 |
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| shinkamui | ok, funk this | 05:57 |
| shinkamui | lmms just isn't gonna build without some source edits | 05:57 |
| shinkamui | accessibleName not declared in the current scope | 05:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Clearly we need this in the N920: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Mindspeed-Transcede-T4000-and-T4020/ | 06:26 |
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| adalal | hey, anyone know if voice navigation is available for maemo5? | 06:29 |
| shinkamui | whats voice navigation | 06:32 |
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| adalal | shinkamui: on ovi maps.. nokia's made turn-by-turn voice navigation free for all gps-enabled handsets | 06:32 |
| shinkamui | turn by turn gps via maps? | 06:32 |
| adalal | yeah | 06:32 |
| shinkamui | naah | 06:32 |
| shinkamui | its not | 06:32 |
| shinkamui | N97 and N900 were skipped | 06:33 |
| shinkamui | and the N97 will get it soon | 06:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | adalal, don't get your hopes up. | 06:33 |
| shinkamui | No confirmation on the N900 ever | 06:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | adalal, I'd look at Sygic in the mean time. | 06:33 |
| shinkamui | confirmed for Maemo 6 though | 06:33 |
| shinkamui | :) | 06:33 |
| adalal | GeneralAntilles: but sygic is paid :P.. | 06:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think the hedging about Maemo probably just means Maemo 6. | 06:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Which wont be coming to the N900 thanks to that capacitive retardation. | 06:33 |
| shinkamui | that really annoys me | 06:34 |
| shinkamui | Im almost mad for indulging in another nokia device | 06:34 |
| shinkamui | they always freeking do this | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, this your first Maemo device? | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: M6 Maps should work on M5 though? | 06:34 |
| shinkamui | no | 06:34 |
| shinkamui | I had an N800 for a while | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, probably doable. | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, but there's the principle of the thing. | 06:34 |
| shinkamui | 9300, N80, and N95 in the symbian world too | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, I've invested thousands of hours in this platform. | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, and Nokia going capacitive feels like a stab in the back. | 06:35 |
| shinkamui | I love it GeneralAntilles , but damn, I hate nokia's busines smodel | 06:35 |
| shinkamui | GeneralAntilles, pretty typical of nokia | 06:35 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: I'd be okay with investing, if Nokia didn't constantly force it to go down the drain :) | 06:35 |
| shinkamui | to abandon devices to keep selling whats new | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure what I'm going to do when Maemo 6 rolls around. | 06:35 |
| adalal | i like resistive... | 06:35 |
| adalal | i can use it with my gloves :P | 06:35 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: ah, yeah, that's how I've felt for a while, even N8x0 => N900 | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe assault the marketing people at the Summit. . . . | 06:36 |
| shinkamui | one thing I love about htc, constant upgrades even for old shit, at least hte community is as strong as xda-dev | 06:36 |
| luke-jr | but as everyone's always pointing out to me, what else is better? :/ | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, probably other things if they're going capacitive. | 06:36 |
| shinkamui | REsisitive multitouch | 06:36 |
| shinkamui | kills capacative | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, indeed. | 06:36 |
| shinkamui | KILLS it | 06:36 |
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| luke-jr | shinkamui: has anyone got that workign? | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | shinkamui, I don't know why they insist on dropping such a large portion of their customer base. | 06:36 |
| shinkamui | its not a just make it work situation | 06:36 |
| shinkamui | you need a resisitve multitouch display | 06:37 |
| luke-jr | ah, so in practice it does require hardware? | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stantum | 06:37 |
| shinkamui | yes | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's available, reasonable inexpensive and very effective. | 06:37 |
| cehteh | hehe and ship it with 2 stylii :) | 06:37 |
| shinkamui | never heard if the rumor was confirmed | 06:37 |
| shinkamui | the N900 has a stantum multitiouch resistive screen | 06:37 |
| shinkamui | just no driver | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | No way | 06:37 |
| adalal | shinkamui: the n900 does detect multiple touches | 06:37 |
| shinkamui | just heard it | 06:37 |
| adalal | ah | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | They'd be shipping Maemo 6 for it if it did. | 06:37 |
| adalal | makes sense.. | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | adalal, it can algorithmically detect 2-touch. | 06:38 |
| shinkamui | adalal, no any resisitve screen can "detect" multiple touches | 06:38 |
| shinkamui | just not with any accuracy | 06:38 |
| shinkamui | based on location and time | 06:38 |
| shinkamui | between the touches | 06:38 |
| pronto | http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/02/multi-touch-comes-to-resistive-touchscreens/ | 06:38 |
| shinkamui | polling time for the screen determines how accurate you can get | 06:38 |
| pronto | shinkamui: | 06:38 |
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| pronto | ^^ | 06:39 |
| luke-jr | and the multi-touch can't have moving points, right? | 06:39 |
| luke-jr | or at most, one moving point | 06:39 |
| shinkamui | of course it can | 06:39 |
| shinkamui | in a true multitiouch | 06:39 |
| shinkamui | not software interpretation | 06:39 |
| luke-jr | right, I meant the "based on location and time" | 06:39 |
| shinkamui | point 1 = origin, if time lower than threshold, point 2 = halfway mark betwene 2nd touch | 06:39 |
| goodwill | I like resistive better | 06:39 |
| shinkamui | simple slope calculation to determine the real 2nd point | 06:39 |
| goodwill | using your nail and and stylus rock | 06:39 |
| goodwill | s | 06:39 |
| shinkamui | doesn't work if the origin moves though | 06:39 |
| luke-jr | I don't think I've ever tried capacitive | 06:39 |
| shinkamui | but it can be used for simple calculations for shrink and grow | 06:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, it's an adjustment. . . . | 06:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | and not a good one. | 06:40 |
| luke-jr | tbh, i'd probably be semi-happy with a nub mouse :) | 06:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have to fat-finger everything. | 06:40 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: what about capacitive stylus? | 06:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, they look like crayon's with very used tips. | 06:41 |
| luke-jr | :| | 06:41 |
| shinkamui | lol | 06:41 |
| shinkamui | thats a total hater attitude | 06:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, capacitive is very limited in its precision. | 06:41 |
| shinkamui | but | 06:41 |
| shinkamui | I agree | 06:41 |
| shinkamui | a good resisitve screen is always WAY more useful than a capacitive screen | 06:41 |
| shinkamui | the only thing I really got used to with a capacitive was the super gentle touch | 06:41 |
| * goodwill agrees with shinkamui | 06:42 | |
| shinkamui | however, stantums screens are so amazingly sensitive you can use a paintbrush on it | 06:42 |
| * luke-jr imagines a kid painting a touchscreen >_< | 06:42 | |
| luke-jr | paintbrush to the screen is not something I want my children to learn XD | 06:42 |
| shinkamui | lol | 06:43 |
| shinkamui | nice | 06:43 |
| shinkamui | -its- | 06:43 |
| shinkamui | ------ | 06:43 |
| * luke-jr peers | 06:44 | |
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| Jef91 | Howdy All | 06:48 |
| shinkamui | :-D | 06:48 |
| Jef91 | Is there a method yet of using the n900 as a blue tooth remote control for my media center? | 06:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jef91, BlueMaemo? | 06:49 |
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| goodwill | Jef91 its still devel I think | 06:51 |
| Jef91 | goodwill thanks - I just want to know its at least making headway before I go buy a bluetooth adapter for my MC PC | 06:51 |
| Jef91 | Yep bluemaemo appears to be it - thanks GeneralAntilles | 06:52 |
| shinkamui | wow | 06:52 |
| shinkamui | well | 06:52 |
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| shinkamui | I gotta figure out what accessibleName is part of | 06:53 |
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| kuriiri | can i change the layout of virtual keyboard? | 07:04 |
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| kuriiri | because it has rather annoying layout | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | kuriiri, yes, but not all that easily. | 07:05 |
| kuriiri | in main view it has ;.. who uses that more than : ? | 07:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I do? | 07:05 |
| kuriiri | or ' more than . or / | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, I see the issue | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't completely broken virtual input in PR1.1 | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, as always, Nokia knows best! | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | (even though they rarely do) | 07:06 |
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| kuriiri | yeah it seems no-one tried to write any urls with it :) | 07:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | kuriiri, testing virtual input isn't a part of their QA process. | 07:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | kuriiri, they just do evil things to it and introduce 2 bugs for every 1 bug fixed with each successive release. | 07:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | kuriiri, then tell us to deal with it. | 07:08 |
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| spectre- | "s | 07:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles senses an Android user. | 07:10 | |
| kuriiri | :D | 07:10 |
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| kuriiri | nice ranting there | 07:10 |
| spectre- | i'm also gonna assume nokia wasn't concerned with it's n900 users being able to type ip addresses | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | kuriiri, you don't even know. | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | kuriiri, I've been fighting the steady decline of virtual input since 2006. | 07:11 |
| spectre- | i'm also gonna assume nokia wasn't concerned with it's n900 users being able to type ip addresses | 07:11 |
| spectre- | er | 07:11 |
| kuriiri | spectre-: excatly! | 07:11 |
| spectre- | sorry | 07:11 |
| spectre- | anybody have a good technique or workaround for that problem? | 07:12 |
| spectre- | (accidental up enter there) | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Their usability people just have feature-phone users in mind. | 07:12 |
| spectre- | yet we get a shell in the menu by default? | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cognitive disconnect. | 07:13 |
| spectre- | seems like a huge oversight to me | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | They just need us around to make their platform better | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | but they don't actually want our business. | 07:13 |
| spectre- | hahaha | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is why the platform and the hardware is getting steadily less useful for the people who helped make it great. | 07:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles is in a foul mood for all things Maemo today. | 07:13 | |
| spectre- | yeah let's build it up and get tech features stripped every time | 07:14 |
| spectre- | though this instance is a hardware shortcoming | 07:14 |
| spectre- | and i'm gonna go ahead and thank god that maemo even exists | 07:14 |
| spectre- | though certain things do make me go wtf | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad Nokia isn't willing to get behind the platform enough to ship more than a single damn product at a time. | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then we could have 3 | 07:15 |
| spectre- | yeah | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | One for iPhone users, one for smartphone users, one for geeks. | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | And everybody would be more or less happy. | 07:15 |
| spectre- | everyone i show this to is blown away | 07:15 |
| spectre- | could easily sell en masse | 07:16 |
| spectre- | well, i'll settle for a special button combo that fn's the numbers but not the rows below it | 07:16 |
| spectre- | so i can type ip's fast | 07:17 |
| fredrin | can i haz epic cell phone? | 07:17 |
| fredrin | yarr | 07:18 |
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| kuriiri | spectre-: maybe nokia has a mission to change every . in ip addresses to , :) | 07:20 |
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| spectre- | we need voice call recognition and voice dialing as well | 07:24 |
| spectre- | for bluetooth users | 07:25 |
| shinkamui | anyone really familiar with C++ | 07:25 |
| shinkamui | and possibly QT | 07:25 |
| shinkamui | im trying to figure out what accessibleName and the method SetAccessibleName are | 07:26 |
| shinkamui | part of | 07:26 |
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| RST38h | mooooooooo | 08:14 |
| luke-jr | shinkamui: did you read the docs? | 08:15 |
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| Kamui | naah luke | 08:37 |
| Kamui | but i will look at the readmes tomorrow | 08:37 |
| Kamui | decided to go to bed | 08:37 |
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| Myrtti | dingdong dingdong morning | 08:51 |
| * Myrtti pops more painkillers | 08:51 | |
| RST38h | More trouble? | 08:52 |
| Myrtti | just the old M51.1 | 08:52 |
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| Myrtti | I hate mornings | 08:53 |
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| red | Anyone have any experience on running a SSH-server on a Windows machine? Behind a heavey firewall at school so I cannot access via ftp.. thought I'd use SSH which does work :) | 08:56 |
| Kamui | packet inspection? | 08:59 |
| Kamui | looking tlo get to it from behind while behind? | 09:00 |
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| goodwill | red: use cygwin? | 09:04 |
| goodwill | red: or you can run ftp on a ssh port? | 09:04 |
| red | well I'd prefer a sftp anyways | 09:05 |
| goodwill | red: http://sshwindows.sourceforge.net/ | 09:05 |
| goodwill | first google result :) | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | red: stop using Windows? | 09:05 |
| red | nah | 09:05 |
| goodwill | red: I am with luke-jr | 09:05 |
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| red | I really prefer windows as a desktop machine. Using linux on my laptop only | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | or at least ask in ##Windows if you insist | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | fail | 09:06 |
| goodwill | red: whats wrong with linux as a desktop machine? | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | goodwill: he'll probably say games.. | 09:06 |
| goodwill | I've been using one for years | 09:06 |
| goodwill | it works like a charm | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | KDE is superior to Windows in all respects, really | 09:06 |
| goodwill | any linux DE/WM is superior to linux | 09:07 |
| goodwill | flipping start button and task bar | 09:07 |
| goodwill | thats all it has | 09:07 |
| luke-jr | dunno, GNOME sucks quite a bit ;) | 09:07 |
| red | having to run most of the programs I use via wine - and would have to reconfigure all my running server stuff, having to dualboot to Windows to play games (which I do a couple of hours every day) | 09:07 |
| * goodwill uses xfce or fvwm | 09:07 | |
| luke-jr | and don't you mean *to windows*? | 09:07 |
| red | and I love Win 7, a lot. | 09:08 |
| luke-jr | red: bet there's no reason to use most of those programs | 09:08 |
| goodwill | red: VirtualBox now supports 3d rendering | 09:08 |
| luke-jr | red: and there are plenty of free games | 09:08 |
| red | Photoshop, Premiere, AfterEffects, Cinema 4D to mention a few | 09:08 |
| goodwill | red: you use them all? | 09:08 |
| red | Gimp just isn't photoshop however you look at it. | 09:08 |
| luke-jr | why do you use those? | 09:08 |
| red | yes I do :) | 09:08 |
| luke-jr | they suck, though I admit I can't think of any viable replacements :( | 09:08 |
| goodwill | at leat use a mac | 09:09 |
| goodwill | and gimp rocks | 09:09 |
| luke-jr | red: Photoshop is not something to consider a goal :) | 09:09 |
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| red | I hate Mac GUI (the dock, the finder is horrid) | 09:09 |
| luke-jr | Krita is better than GIMP though | 09:09 |
| goodwill | gimp is pretty good | 09:09 |
| red | like, I close a program it doesn't close but goes into background in the dock etc :p | 09:09 |
| red | gimp is far from photoshop sadly goodwill | 09:09 |
| goodwill | its just most people expect gimp to work exactly like photoshop | 09:09 |
| goodwill | it does the work for me | 09:09 |
| luke-jr | red: use Krita | 09:09 |
| goodwill | but I am not a designer | 09:10 |
| red | for one, gimps menu structure is awful imo | 09:10 |
| luke-jr | yay KolourPaint for me :D | 09:10 |
| goodwill | but CS2 works fine under wine' | 09:10 |
| luke-jr | red: http://www.koffice.org/krita/ | 09:10 |
| goodwill | red: thats just something you can get used to | 09:10 |
| red | I also use Fireworks to make basic vector graphics for websites | 09:10 |
| goodwill | red: try inkscape | 09:10 |
| goodwill | its nice | 09:10 |
| red | I have inkscape on windows too | 09:10 |
| red | it's ok for different sort of vector working, mainly vs. illustrator | 09:10 |
| goodwill | yeah | 09:11 |
| red | but it boils down to making compromises which I don't want to -- and Win 7 works great for me :) | 09:11 |
| luke-jr | fine, so use WINE | 09:11 |
| luke-jr | :) | 09:11 |
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| goodwill | or a nice VirtualBox | 09:11 |
| goodwill | I do ... | 09:11 |
| luke-jr | goodwill: then he's still running Windows | 09:11 |
| goodwill | luke-jr: but at least its contained | 09:11 |
| uhsf | I hope my N900 ships tomorrow, good night. | 09:12 |
| goodwill | luke-jr: with virtualized windows and snapshots I feel I do not have to spend time fixing win crap | 09:12 |
| red | and to answer what I do, 3D is a hobby, I make prerendered animations mostly and some smallscale modeling, I edit the stuff in Premiere/AfterEffects. Also making short film entry level stuff with friends. Also compose music with Jeskola Buzz which is a pain to get working on linux due its kinda buggy but I've grown fond of it past 10 years. Then I do webdesign as a sidework while studying too :) | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | goodwill: shrug, I get by just fine without touching Windows | 09:13 |
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| goodwill | luke-jr: I only use it for Outlook and Nokia PC-Suite | 09:13 |
| red | And with Photoshop I do all sorta graphics from image fixing to powerpoint layouts for $ | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | 3D should be done in code :D | 09:13 |
| goodwill | luke-jr: for sync | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | POV-Ray style | 09:14 |
| goodwill | luke-jr: not allowed to sync to "unauthorized" devices vial Mfe | 09:14 |
| goodwill | at work | 09:14 |
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| red | Also thinking of making more Flash games when CS5 comes so I can directly export to iPhone and earn some money by it =) | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | red: fail | 09:14 |
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| luke-jr | this is #Maemo, not #iPhonecrap | 09:14 |
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| goodwill | red: you an n900 user? | 09:14 |
| red | http://damaged.ihku.org/~red/sopuli2009/sopuli.html | 09:14 |
| red | heres one game :) | 09:14 |
| red | goodwill: yupp | 09:14 |
| goodwill | red: or any maemo | 09:14 |
| slonopotamus | morning. -28 outside. | 09:15 |
| red | luckily only -17 here ^^ | 09:15 |
| goodwill | red: windows lover + iphone app maker with a maemo | 09:15 |
| goodwill | red: thats some combo | 09:15 |
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| luke-jr | hah | 09:15 |
| goodwill | :) | 09:15 |
| red | goodwill: I don't hate windows just cause it's trendy for a linux user | 09:15 |
| red | Vista is shit, so is XP thought :) | 09:16 |
| goodwill | red: I do not dislike it cause its trendy | 09:16 |
| luke-jr | red: quite frankly, Windows is useless. Only ignorants and fanboys use it by choice. :) | 09:16 |
| red | Win 7 is the first Windows to really feel awesome since the first time I launched 3.14 | 09:16 |
| goodwill | red: I spend years supporting and programming for it ... I have actual reasons to hate it | 09:16 |
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| luke-jr | red: there was never a Windows 3.14 :P | 09:16 |
| red | was it 3.11 then? :p | 09:16 |
| goodwill | which reminds me | 09:17 |
| red | can't remember the splash screen any longer :) | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | goodwill: well, I program for Windows; it's not *that* bad ... sometimes | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | but I do all my development in Linux | 09:17 |
| goodwill | luke-jr: you know its possible to run win95 in dosbox on maemo | 09:17 |
| red | I saw that too, made me chuckle | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | goodwill: I know it's possible to run Win7 in qemu on maemo | 09:17 |
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| goodwill | luke-jr: no way there is enough memory to make that usable | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | goodwill: doesn't mean it's sensible | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | who said anything about usable? | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | if I wanted usable, I'd have to give up :D | 09:18 |
| red | iPhone app making just makes sense since it's really easy to create touch based (drag & drop or push etc) with Flash, and the CS5 can export to iPhone. Theres a lot of users and if you make a good game and sell it for like 0.79€ per game, it might give you some small income which is always useful for a student | 09:18 |
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| red | and I think it would fit nicely into my e-Portfolio too | 09:18 |
| goodwill | red: true ... | 09:19 |
| goodwill | red: good for portfolio | 09:19 |
| * goodwill has windoze experience on his resume | 09:19 | |
| red | like the game I pasted just now, only controlling is dragging & dropping the little pieces to build bridges for the lemming thingies, and pushing next level button | 09:19 |
| red | would just need to create new levels with keeping in mind the iPhone resolution and no additional coding required probably | 09:19 |
| * luke-jr lists Windows on his resume, but would be unlikely to accept work that required using Windows | 09:19 | |
| goodwill | luke-jr: with you there | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | but then, the people who actually read the resumes don't have a clue | 09:20 |
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| * goodwill converted all but 1 person in his dept to linux | 09:20 | |
| red | I'm currently studying programming in polytechnic.. so far Java, SQL, PHP, XML, some XHTML and CSS (which ain't programming tho) | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | I found some interesting inquiries when I added Qt and Jabber to my resume ;) | 09:20 |
| goodwill | jabber? | 09:21 |
| goodwill | erlang? | 09:21 |
| luke-jr | yeah, XMPP | 09:21 |
| red | next year there are courses for Maemo programming too ^^ | 09:21 |
| red | totally taking that | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 09:21 |
| goodwill | morning | 09:21 |
| luke-jr | red: XHTML has been discontinued for years... the world is sticking with HTML | 09:21 |
| goodwill | luke-jr: no way | 09:21 |
| luke-jr | why on earth is someone teaching XHTML? | 09:21 |
| red | Strict <3 | 09:22 |
| goodwill | there are tons of xhtml | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | goodwill: not really | 09:22 |
| * goodwill is a webdeveloper | 09:22 | |
| luke-jr | if a webpage is really XHTML, MSIE won't display it | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | XHTML 2 broke compatibility with XHTML 1 | 09:22 |
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| luke-jr | and hasn't been updated in years | 09:22 |
| red | weell | 09:22 |
| red | we were taught basics | 09:22 |
| red | made sense | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | HTML 5 is the current technology focus | 09:23 |
| goodwill | in the end all *html is crap | 09:23 |
| red | I just abide by W3 Validator and HTML5 now | 09:23 |
| goodwill | mainly cause you still have to do IE | 09:23 |
| red | and CSS3 <3 | 09:23 |
| goodwill | which is crap | 09:23 |
| goodwill | no matter which version | 09:23 |
| luke-jr | goodwill: never tried IE8-js? :) | 09:23 |
| luke-jr | red: yeah right; Firefox is still playing catchup with CSS 2 IIRC | 09:23 |
| goodwill | luke-jr: IE8-js ? | 09:23 |
| goodwill | luke-jr: the library | 09:24 |
| luke-jr | goodwill: a Javascript file you can conditionally include to make IE 5.5+ standards-compliant | 09:24 |
| goodwill | luke-jr: had that ... took it out ... conflicted with some other libs | 09:24 |
| * luke-jr doesn't use any other libs :) | 09:24 | |
| goodwill | it was not my choice | 09:24 |
| luke-jr | but then, I don't write webpages on a regular basis | 09:25 |
| goodwill | we are still pulling out the mish-mash of libs left by the previous dumbass who wrote it | 09:25 |
| goodwill | the sob just threw in libs just cause | 09:25 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 09:25 |
| goodwill | almost done | 09:25 |
| * goodwill does not want to remember the nightmares | 09:26 | |
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| luke-jr | one time, I just said screw IE and had a message saying they needed to use a web browser to access the app :) | 09:26 |
| luke-jr | with links to Firefox, Konqueror, Safari, and Opera | 09:27 |
| * luke-jr should add Arora and the newer generation to that page | 09:27 | |
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| goodwill | *sighs* | 09:27 |
| goodwill | there are business requirements | 09:27 |
| luke-jr | sometimes :) | 09:27 |
| Wolfie | luke-jr: it's great when that works, but it doesn't work where the Real Money lies | 09:28 |
| goodwill | hehhee | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | Wolfie: I'm apparently in high demand enough to be picky about what I do and don't do in most cases. | 09:28 |
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| luke-jr | might cost a bit of $ in the big picture, but I can live with that | 09:28 |
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| luke-jr | anyhow, webpages are not my focus at all, so it's usually only my own stuff | 09:29 |
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| luke-jr | nice thing about Qt is I can just write stuff on Linux and an EXE is just a qmake -profile mingw32 away :) | 09:31 |
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| luke-jr | then I can test it in WINE and send it off | 09:31 |
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| goodwill | ahhh ... xchat on n900 | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | (the real testing is of course native Qt/X11; WINE is just to be sure the EXE stuff works) | 09:32 |
| red | luke-jr: well Gnome and Webkit are still quite nice with CSS3 | 09:34 |
| red | I have Internet explorer sandboxed on my PC :> | 09:35 |
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| goodwill | i bet there is no chance ovi maps 3.0 makes it on n900 | 09:38 |
| goodwill | what do u think? | 09:38 |
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| goodwill | oooh shortcutd has a gui config now | 09:39 |
| red | goodwill: "Fixed in Harmattan" | 09:39 |
| LuserN800 | http://planet.debian.net/ how free is the nokia n900 | 09:40 |
| Wolfie | isn't it great when a company makes sure the future customers are served well, but the existing customers are left out dry | 09:40 |
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| Wolfie | i'm not meaning to say that maemo as a whole has failed yet on that part, but i've seen many "fixed in harmattan" issues already floating on this channel | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | LuserN800: your post? | 09:40 |
| LuserN800 | Stskeeps, no no :) | 09:41 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, good, cos it looks horridly misinformed | 09:41 |
| LuserN800 | Stskeeps, just that usually I like this but in this post it looks a bit wrong | 09:41 |
| LuserN800 | "I don't think you can usefully install another free distro on the N900" | 09:41 |
| LuserN800 | Stskeeps, time to register ;) | 09:41 |
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| LuserN800 | too bad it's not open for comments | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | LuserN800: yeah.. my thought | 09:43 |
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| hrw|gone | Stskeeps: so comment Lukas post which also was on planet debian and the one which you talk about links there | 09:44 |
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| goodwill | soon enough FSO will be useful | 09:44 |
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| Stskeeps | hrw|gone: i should just prod him instead, i spoke to him in the past a bit as well in my ircd days | 09:45 |
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| goodwill | and with so android phones around I bet it will be easy to throw on so distro on it | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | LuserN800: that comment you quoted at least is true | 09:48 |
| goodwill | does anyone remember to what the terminal shortcut key for increasing font size ? | 09:48 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: got an example of how the gpsdriver problem would look like btw? | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | as in, code wise, what causes it | 09:49 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: the particular one I was discussing earlier? | 09:50 |
| luke-jr | code-wise, it's a lack of reading the data waiting on the pty | 09:50 |
| LuserN800 | luke-jr, I have not dig enough neither in the n800 nor in the n900 which I still don't have.. but ... it's because of the boot loader? not possible to chroot into something? n900 more limited than n800 in this area? | 09:50 |
| luke-jr | but I don't know what gpsdriver code looks like, so I can't comment on how trivial or not it would be to fix | 09:50 |
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| luke-jr | LuserN800: AFAIK, N900 is superior to N800 in every way | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | LuserN800: it's possible to chroot and if you're willing to bend a bit on your freedom loving principles, there's ways to deal with things | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:51 |
| luke-jr | LuserN800: but the battery charger is still a closed blob, so a free OS would mean no battery charging | 09:51 |
| LuserN800 | Stskeeps, it is a major point for me. i want to order it today .. | 09:52 |
| LuserN800 | luke-jr, I was thinking of a free os with the closed-source bits.. yes.. | 09:52 |
| luke-jr | LuserN800: if you want something *today*, AFAIK N900 is your best shot. if you want something usable with a 100% free OS, I'm pretty sure you'll need to wait or compromise on hardware capability | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | LuserN800: what i -do- like about N900 is the fact there's no closed source kernel drivers. there's blobs (wifi, bt, camera firmware) and battery management.. but it doesn't go much beyond that | 09:53 |
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| * goodwill agrees with luke-jr | 09:54 | |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: got a URL for your thread regarding it? | 09:54 |
| LuserN800 | so.. somebody HAS to answer on planet.debian.org :) | 09:55 |
| luke-jr | LuserN800: though if you don't want a keyboard, you *might* be better with Nexus One; no idea on how true the claims of it beign 100% free are though | 09:55 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: thread? | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: regarding the tty/pty stuff | 09:55 |
| LuserN800 | I want a keyboard, I remember being blocked on the n800 when porting apps. 1st major criteria for me actually | 09:55 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: it was just a chat earlier in #Mer ; I assumed you were asking because you read it | 09:55 |
| acidjazz | there we go | 09:55 |
| acidjazz | finally :) | 09:55 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: well i meant linux-kernel or -omap | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | LuserN800: chances are that i will just get flamed to death really | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | i should make a counter-post | 09:56 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: oh, no, I don't recall where that one is | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | "This is how free the N900 really is" | 09:56 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: conclusion was that the kernel was behaving as it should, and the old behaviour was a bug | 09:56 |
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| luke-jr | IIRC, that conclusion came from Alan Cox who had fixed it in a rewrite of the pty subsystem | 09:57 |
| luke-jr | but tbh, I consider that bug a non-issue at this point | 09:58 |
| luke-jr | gpsd includes a workaround anyway, and newer kernels have far more other issues blocking their use on N8x0 | 09:58 |
| luke-jr | so N8x0 as a platform is dead with 2.6.21 for practical purposes; fixing gpsdriver only makes sense if a new device uses the chip or Nokia bothers to get N8x0 mainlined | 10:00 |
| luke-jr | or at least fixing that particular problem; the general "bad nvdata" thing could probably still be useful to have fixed | 10:00 |
| luke-jr | but no idea where to start on that | 10:00 |
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| acidjazz | setting up exchange w/ gmail | 10:02 |
| acidjazz | this workin for everyone? | 10:02 |
| acidjazz | dont think ill be syncing contacts though | 10:02 |
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| LuserN800 | with or without the backdoor? :) | 10:02 |
| acidjazz | watcha mean? | 10:02 |
| thresh | password syncer for n900 and firefox/chromium, anyone? | 10:03 |
| LuserN800 | acidjazz, http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/01/me_on_chinese_h.html | 10:03 |
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| acidjazz | thresh: does one exist? | 10:06 |
| thresh | acidjazz: that's what i wonder. | 10:06 |
| thresh | no lastpass for N900 :( | 10:06 |
| LuserN800 | Stskeeps, for planet.d.o if they are only intersted in "is the n900 fully free" then well, it's lost. if people want to hack around, solutions are there. mer is an example, and you could present who it was done.. it's not like nothing can be done | 10:07 |
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| LuserN800 | s/who/how/ | 10:07 |
| infobot | LuserN800 meant: Stskeeps, for planet.d.o if they are only intersted in "is the n900 fully free" then well, it's lost. if people want to hack around, solutions are there. mer is an example, and you could present how it was done.. it's not like nothing can be done | 10:07 |
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| goodwill | i wish it was possible to stop the camera from reacting to the camera key | 10:08 |
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| LuserN800 | and also that help is needed in organizing, packaging, .. pushing nokia to free more things (hum..) .. | 10:08 |
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| Wolfie | goodwill: there's some app that re-binds the camera button to some other function (i remember task manager). Naturally, I can't remember which app that was :) | 10:09 |
| luke-jr | IIRC, only BME is Nokia-controlled and non-Free as far as platform support goes | 10:09 |
| luke-jr | in N900 | 10:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Wolfie: camkeyd IIRC | 10:09 |
| adeus | or shortcutd | 10:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | Wolfie: however - it only binds half-press | 10:10 |
| goodwill | Wolfie: shortcutd ... but it does not rebind it | 10:10 |
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| Wolfie | no? | 10:10 |
| goodwill | I am using it now ... but if the press is too long it triggers the camera | 10:10 |
| goodwill | and i want that to stop | 10:10 |
| Wolfie | ah | 10:10 |
| hrw|gone | goodwill: use zoom keys in xterm | 10:11 |
| goodwill | hrw|gone? thanks | 10:11 |
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| hrw | hi | 10:12 |
| goodwill | hrw|gone: thanks | 10:12 |
| Wolfie | i think i meant camkeyd, actually (http://thenokiablog.com/2010/01/02/camkeyd-nokia-n900/) | 10:12 |
| hrw | btw - diesel engine and -19°C can be challenge | 10:12 |
| Wolfie | but it mentions only a half-press, so it might not work for you either | 10:12 |
| hrw | Wolfie: shortcutd is new camkeyd | 10:12 |
| LuserN800 | or we could push ggil to post there rather than closed-discussion on tmo.. but he might get flamed yes.. | 10:12 |
| Wolfie | okay, didn't know that | 10:13 |
| acidjazz | thresh: e-mail xmarks | 10:13 |
| hrw | Wolfie: neither did I until 2 days ago | 10:13 |
| acidjazz | what if someone ports android to the n900 perfectly | 10:14 |
| acidjazz | who here would use that instead | 10:14 |
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| acidjazz | oh look at this | 10:14 |
| acidjazz | cool idea (camkeyd) | 10:14 |
| adeus | are all other android devices with capacitive screens? | 10:15 |
| SpeedEvil | For me - a solution to run android apps would be nice - but I'd never run it as primary. | 10:15 |
| thresh | acidjazz: how do i import those after sending? | 10:16 |
| acidjazz | watcha mean thresh | 10:16 |
| * MohammadAG wonders if the music player can be modified and the side keyboard light (the R&D ones) could act as a UV meter | 10:16 | |
| acidjazz | we need an xmarks plugin for nokias browser | 10:16 |
| thresh | acidjazz: "11:13:06 < acidjazz> thresh: e-mail xmarks" | 10:16 |
| thresh | ahh | 10:16 |
| thresh | i thought it meant "you need to e-mail your xmarks stuff" | 10:16 |
| hrw | http://www.cringely.com/2010/01/mobile-2010-predictions-apple-google-rim-oh-my/ | 10:17 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: the early models had a side keyboard light? | 10:17 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, all models do | 10:18 |
| SpeedEvil | That would potentially explain some confusing comments in the driver | 10:18 |
| MohammadAG | two backlight to indicate system activity | 10:18 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 10:18 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode | 10:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah. | 10:18 |
| MohammadAG | to enable R&D mode | 10:18 |
| SpeedEvil | there are 6 backlight LEDs in the keyb | 10:19 |
| MohammadAG | have it enabled to test something | 10:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | I did a running-light effect way back for them - which was silly | 10:19 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, the UV thing would be possible right? | 10:20 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: err - no. | 10:20 |
| MohammadAG | since the two backlights can be powered and flickered individually | 10:20 |
| MohammadAG | err why? | 10:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Because LEDs don't emit any UV | 10:20 |
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| acidjazz | exhcange synchronization w/ gmail isnt working for me | 10:20 |
| acidjazz | i just put m.google.com as the server right? | 10:20 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, not that UV lol | 10:21 |
| acidjazz | any1 else here have mfe setup w/ gmail? | 10:21 |
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| * SpeedEvil only knows UltraViolence as the other UV. | 10:21 | |
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| MohammadAG | got it wrong :/ | 10:22 |
| MohammadAG | VU | 10:22 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 10:22 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - you could do that | 10:22 |
| SpeedEvil | six backlights - not two | 10:22 |
| MohammadAG | well,_I_ can't, still choosing a language | 10:23 |
| TriztFromWork | how do you get it to not light up all the time? | 10:23 |
| MohammadAG | but two can be handled alone, and they are enough for a mini VU | 10:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | TriztFromWork: I haven't bothered to work out what normally controlls them - I suspect BME. | 10:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | You'd need to find a way to tell it not to - otherwise it will fight you | 10:24 |
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| * TriztFromWork nods | 10:25 | |
| TriztFromWork | sadly not much time for that while at work, other projects sadly has higher priority | 10:25 |
| acidjazz | ur guys' batterys lasting at all? | 10:25 |
| TriztFromWork | ~18h with wifi on, but not too much other activity | 10:26 |
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| TriztFromWork | acidjazz; I have been thinking about a Proporta USB TurboCharger 3400 | 10:26 |
| acidjazz | TriztFromWork: url | 10:27 |
| SpeedEvil | acidjazz: not had any problems - but I generally only don't have it plugged in for more than 12h | 10:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | acidjazz: unless bloody trackerd or thumbnailer decides to be ass-hatted. | 10:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Woke up with my n900 - under my pillow - quite warm indeed | 10:27 |
| TriztFromWork | acidjazz; http://www.proporta.com/ | 10:27 |
| TriztFromWork | SpeedEvil; you sleep with yours all the time? | 10:28 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 10:29 |
| SpeedEvil | TriztFromWork: no. I was reading ebooks - and would have had to get out of bed to put it on charge | 10:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | USB charge sucks. | 10:29 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, you sure the 6 light up when in normal (non-R&D mode)? | 10:29 |
| * SpeedEvil wants a sane cradle | 10:29 | |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: ? | 10:29 |
| MohammadAG | the 6 keyboard LEDs, do they all light up in non-R&D mode? | 10:30 |
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| MohammadAG | (or production mode as it's called) | 10:30 |
| acidjazz | TriztFromWork: is it big? does it charge it well? | 10:30 |
| TriztFromWork | acidjazz; no, it's not big, slightly larger than the n900 I think and they claim it charges well on the n900 and iphone | 10:31 |
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| TriztFromWork | I don't know more than it says on their homepage | 10:31 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes - they are used for kbd backlight | 10:31 |
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| acidjazz | so you just gotta keep this charged TriztFromWork and roll around w/ it in your pocket as well heh | 10:31 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, so in R&D mode it chnages the brightness? | 10:31 |
| MohammadAG | cause they are brighter (the side LEDs) even when the whole keyboard is let | 10:32 |
| ifreq | TriztFromWork: been lookin this myself: http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/4wm-reviews-netbook/18655-review-ultimate-netbook-u20-external-power-pack-laptop-pda.html | 10:32 |
| ifreq | tho its a bit bigger :) (mostly for trips) | 10:32 |
| TriztFromWork | ifreq; do you know if it works with iphone or do you need a special usb cable? | 10:33 |
| acidjazz | that looks large | 10:33 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: no - in normal mode | 10:34 |
| acidjazz | i guess it says itll charge the phone several times | 10:34 |
| acidjazz | that 3400.. | 10:34 |
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| acidjazz | thats pretty nice | 10:34 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, in normal mode, they're all lit at the same brightness | 10:34 |
| MohammadAG | i'm assuming it lights them up more in R&D mode | 10:35 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: it will charge n900 about 2 times (the 3400) | 10:35 |
| ifreq | acidjazz: the u20 is 13200 mAh battery unit | 10:35 |
| ifreq | :) | 10:35 |
| acidjazz | how long will it take to charge it? | 10:35 |
| SpeedEvil | for x in /sys/class/leds/*kb*;do echo 100 >$x/brightness;done | 10:35 |
| acidjazz | oh its 3400 mAh | 10:35 |
| ifreq | TriztFromWork: i think you can use iphone usb charge cable as it has usb plugin | 10:35 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: you can set the brightness | 10:35 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, for individual leds? | 10:36 |
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| ifreq | and yes U20 is big, didnt plan to carry it on my pocket atleast. | 10:36 |
| MohammadAG | separate* | 10:36 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 10:36 |
| MohammadAG | kk | 10:37 |
| SpeedEvil | echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:kb1/brightness | 10:37 |
| TriztFromWork | ifreq; there are those chargers that don't work with iphone/n900 without you have a proper usb cable where the data pins are removed | 10:37 |
| ifreq | TriztFromWork: okay, thought i think it has quite regular usb port | 10:37 |
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| TriztFromWork | ifreq; so you know it works with iphone (then it would work with n900 too)? | 10:38 |
| ifreq | think there is some device compliant list somewhere | 10:38 |
| ifreq | TriztFromWork: well i have not aquired such charger yet | 10:38 |
| ifreq | i try to find tech details | 10:38 |
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| ifreq | TriztFromWork: http://www.clove.co.uk/documentdownload.aspx?document=091C354A-1DB9-4025-BD6E-2329E9740A4F | 10:40 |
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| acidjazz | http://www.solio.com/charger/ | 10:41 |
| acidjazz | 1650mah | 10:42 |
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| ifreq | solarpower is not yet the product i would buy | 10:42 |
| * TriztFromWork has to continue to work | 10:42 | |
| ifreq | TriztFromWork: anyways its on the list. | 10:42 |
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| TriztFromWork | oki | 10:43 |
| ifreq | been lookin for good batterey backpack (lots of juice) and U20 is atm #1 on my list | 10:43 |
| ifreq | -back | 10:43 |
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| acidjazz | ugh http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=5f92340e8dea5ed7&hl=en | 10:49 |
| acidjazz | that sucks | 10:49 |
| acidjazz | how ghetto | 10:49 |
| acidjazz | http://www.amazon.com/External-Battery-T-mobile-Sidekick-Blackberry/dp/B002BVL2KS/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1264495628&sr=1-6 | 10:50 |
| acidjazz | 5400Ah | 10:50 |
| acidjazz | mah | 10:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is extras-devel failing to update for others?> | 10:55 |
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| viq | SpeedEvil: I had a problem couple hours ago, but something like 2-4h ago it worked | 11:02 |
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| thorbjorn | Does the N900 keep a log anywhere of apt-get activity? | 11:03 |
| thorbjorn | My root partition is full and I'm wondering what I did to fill it up. | 11:03 |
| thorbjorn | So that I may resolve this issue without having to start doing guesses... | 11:03 |
| viq | thorbjorn: 1) reboot, 2) diskusage app helps with that | 11:03 |
| thorbjorn | viq: Reboot? | 11:04 |
| thresh | SpeedEvil: works here.. | 11:04 |
| * fcrozat wonders if his n900 will do a 32swt reboot today.. | 11:04 | |
| viq | thorbjorn: yes, reboot clears up some space | 11:04 |
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| thorbjorn | viq: Ah. Will try that, thanks. | 11:04 |
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| jiajia | hello | 11:06 |
| jiajia | now my n900 starts to restart automatically | 11:06 |
| acidjazz | lol | 11:06 |
| acidjazz | have you reset it? | 11:06 |
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| acidjazz | did ou drop it? | 11:06 |
| jiajia | yeah i update it | 11:06 |
| jiajia | to the lastest version | 11:06 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:20 |
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| ifreq | moin | 11:21 |
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| bidossessi | i'm running maemo from the SDK on opensuse 11.2. I'm trying to run claws-mail, but my status is "offline". tried changing my status using the connection switcher applet, but no show. i'm still offline. any pointers welcome. | 11:26 |
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| acidjazz | lol http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/25/keepin-it-real-fake-part-cclii-nokia-n900-commits-s60-5th-frau/ | 11:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | lol. | 11:31 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Carl Zeiss optics' as if that makes a difference when your lens is 1.8mm | 11:31 |
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| thorbjorn | viq: Hmm, still 0 available after reboot. | 11:36 |
| viq | thorbjorn: check IIRC /var/apt/cache/partial or something like that | 11:37 |
| bidossessi | out of curiousity. i see ldap servers on the claws-mail addressbook section, but no way to add one. am i missing something? | 11:37 |
| acidjazz | SpeedEvil: its actually the best camera phone ive ever used | 11:37 |
| SpeedEvil | acidjazz: yes. | 11:38 |
| thorbjorn | viq: 54 M in apt's cache... | 11:38 |
| SpeedEvil | acidjazz: though it shares the camera with several otehr nokias | 11:38 |
| thorbjorn | viq: /var/cache/apt, btw. | 11:38 |
| viq | thorbjorn: partial, the files are apt's archive or something, you do want to keep those | 11:38 |
| SpeedEvil | N96, N85,N79 | 11:38 |
| SpeedEvil | acidjazz: I'm just a bit irritated it doesn't get close to 5 optical megapixels. Not surprised - but... | 11:39 |
| thorbjorn | viq: I have another 20 M in /var/lib/apt/lists, but only 0.5 M in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial. | 11:40 |
| thorbjorn | viq: But what's the point of keeping 50 M of .deb files around? | 11:40 |
| thorbjorn | (they're mostly my Qt 4.6 from extras-devel, I guess) | 11:40 |
| thresh | any good tweeter client? mauku seems to suck and not to support lists. | 11:40 |
| viq | thorbjorn: debs you can remove | 11:41 |
| tybollt | viq: you | 11:41 |
| viq | thorbjorn: some people like witter, I think | 11:41 |
| tybollt | viq: you're here now? Welcome (johan@) | 11:41 |
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| viq | oh, ahoy :) | 11:41 |
| thorbjorn | viq: I'll do that then. Btw, tell thresh about witter. :) | 11:41 |
| viq | tybollt: I've been here for a long time, just mostly lurking (mostly actually not even paying attention) :P | 11:42 |
| viq | er, yes, tab monster strikes again ;P | 11:42 |
| viq | thorbjorn: some people like witter, I think | 11:42 |
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| viq | argh | 11:42 |
| thorbjorn | :P | 11:42 |
| viq | thresh: just look up, tab monster got me twice already ;P | 11:43 |
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| thresh | :) | 11:43 |
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| thorbjorn | viq: It seems "apt-get clean" is a safe way of clearing some apt cache. | 11:44 |
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| viq | thorbjorn: quite possible ;) | 11:46 |
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| tybollt | acidjazz: I went to thailand last year... there was a H U G E market for these types of gadgets :D | 11:46 |
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| tybollt | acidjazz: everyone sold what looked exactly like iphones... but had an os mostly looking like windows 3.1 ;) | 11:47 |
| matmo | anyone know to solution to "file format not recognized" when trying to link in scratchbox. I have checked the file/links and googled. | 11:47 |
| bidossessi | i'm confused. i'm using a widget that shows my IP on the SDK. the app-manager is able to download and install packages from the internet. but i'm still marked as offline, so no IM, no xchat. what am i missing? | 11:48 |
| hrw | bidossessi: you added some IM accounts? | 11:48 |
| hrw | bidossessi: did you read n900 usermanual like I suggested? | 11:48 |
| adeus | the n900 has a manual? :) | 11:49 |
| bidossessi | hrw, yes. my corporate account. and i find no way to put myself online. except activating my wlan. | 11:49 |
| bidossessi | hrw the manual references status-icons that don't appear in my SDK | 11:50 |
| ifreq | being online is only status for IM accounts | 11:50 |
| ifreq | it doesnt effect xchat etc.. | 11:50 |
| hrw | bidossessi: 'fakeroot apt-get update;fakeroot apt-get upgrade' in sbox | 11:50 |
| ifreq | and you can enable the IM accounts via conversations menu | 11:51 |
| bidossessi | ifreq the accounts are enabled, but i'm still marked as offline. however, if i remove and re-add one, i'm marked as online on that account. | 11:53 |
| bidossessi | i have an xmpp account for our local xmpp server and a twitter account. the contatcts got listed in my contact list | 11:54 |
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| acidjazz | tybollt: hilarious | 11:55 |
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| bidossessi | ifreq, being online affects claws-mail, xchat, and conversations. and i cannot find how to tell the SDK that i have internet connectivity. | 11:57 |
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| bidossessi | curiously, it doesn't affect modest | 11:59 |
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| bidossessi | xchat tells me: "ERROR: Could not initialize an internet connexion". Claws-mails fails to get my emails, saying I'm offline, but both the web browser and modest works just fine. | 12:03 |
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| acidjazz | lol if i create a calendar entry on my phone it breaks mfe sync w/ google | 12:08 |
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| alterego | Hah, I like the Joikuspot screenshot joke about the iPhone/Apple ^.^ | 12:08 |
| koala_man | acidjazz: works for me, but only if I don't have any contacts with custom photos | 12:09 |
| tybollt | alterego: hmmm mfe can sync calendars w/ the google? | 12:09 |
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| koala_man | tybollt: it can | 12:10 |
| tybollt | can it sync the ovi calendar? | 12:11 |
| koala_man | yes | 12:11 |
| tybollt | meh, why didn't anyone tell me :) | 12:11 |
| acidjazz | ooh a whole vm image awesome | 12:11 |
| acidjazz | koala_man: are you using mfe w/ google calendar and email? | 12:11 |
| koala_man | acidjazz: only calendar | 12:12 |
| acidjazz | koala_man: im not even syncing contacts f that | 12:12 |
| acidjazz | create an even ton ur phone | 12:12 |
| * tybollt been whining about no ovi calendar (think: the sync app) support and here it was available ol the time >:D | 12:12 | |
| acidjazz | do a manual sync | 12:12 |
| acidjazz | wont sync | 12:12 |
| koala_man | acidjazz: I think the bug triggers even when you don't sync contacts | 12:12 |
| acidjazz | tybollt: what was available | 12:12 |
| acidjazz | ?? | 12:12 |
| koala_man | acidjazz: does it say that "Exchange server is not responding. Verify that account settings are correct."? | 12:13 |
| acidjazz | im wondering if this is actually the phones fault | 12:13 |
| acidjazz | koala_man: yup | 12:13 |
| acidjazz | but i removed the event | 12:13 |
| acidjazz | synced fine | 12:13 |
| acidjazz | might be google failing at trying to clone mfe | 12:15 |
| fcrozat | well, it works fine if you delete all calendar items on n900 | 12:15 |
| adeus | I just tried to edit an reoccurring event, it decided to delete it | 12:16 |
| acidjazz | lol | 12:16 |
| acidjazz | yes fcrozat but im talking after | 12:16 |
| acidjazz | meaning your phone calendar w/ this setup becomes read only | 12:17 |
| fcrozat | acidjazz: not really, but some actions are not recommended :) | 12:17 |
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| fcrozat | like merging contacts | 12:17 |
| acidjazz | lol what are all these crappy videos on the ovi store | 12:17 |
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| fcrozat | I can add calendar events on both sides, it works fine | 12:17 |
| tybollt | acidjazz: < tybollt> can it sync the ovi calendar? < koala_man> yes | 12:17 |
| tybollt | acidjazz: appaears mfe can sync the ovi calendar | 12:18 |
| hrw | ovi... | 12:18 |
| tybollt | acidjazz: which to me is pretty good news :) | 12:18 |
| hrw | I wonder when nokia will fix Ovi Contacts syncing to be working | 12:18 |
| tybollt | hrw: exactly | 12:18 |
| tybollt | hrw: I find that a very very irritating thing | 12:18 |
| viq | tybollt: I want to play with setting my own server, even started setting up zarafa, problem is that it installs uuid that conflicts with reconnoiter that I'm playing with on same box | 12:18 |
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| acidjazz | oh the ovi software you use | 12:19 |
| hrw | tybollt: last time when I synced my symbian phone -> ovi it dropped most of contacts details | 12:19 |
| acidjazz | fcrozat: what is your setup like? | 12:19 |
| acidjazz | it loves to duplicate all my contacts hrw | 12:19 |
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| fcrozat | acidjazz: google apps with contacts and calendar setup as MfE on n900 | 12:19 |
| hrw | acidjazz: scheduleworld worked much much much better | 12:20 |
| fcrozat | duplicated contacts are from google talk account | 12:20 |
| fcrozat | and I know I shouldn't try to merge them for now | 12:20 |
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| acidjazz | frade: google apps? | 12:21 |
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| acidjazz | fcrozat i mean | 12:21 |
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| fcrozat | acidjazz: it is just like gmail but for hosting my own domain ;) | 12:22 |
| acidjazz | gmail will host your own domain now | 12:22 |
| acidjazz | fcrozat: where did you learn to setup gmail on mfe | 12:22 |
| fcrozat | acidjazz: well, I used google "configuration" setup from their help page | 12:23 |
| fcrozat | which is similar to the one I used on s60 | 12:23 |
| fcrozat | and then, I checked on talk.m.o for the "known" issues ;) | 12:23 |
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| Mikho | would anyone know what's wrong with my PyQt4 installation: I type "python2.5" inside scratchbox, enter "from PyQt4.QtGui import QApplication" and get nothing but "ImportError: cannot import name QApplication". I've installed every python2.5-qt4 package I've found | 12:30 |
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| n9000 | what command should i type inside scratchbox to compile this code http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/How_to_set_an_alarm_event_on_Maemo | 12:32 |
| bidossessi | what package do the availability status indicators depend on? | 12:33 |
| thorbjorn | Is it possible to get access to crash reports send for packages one has in extras-devel? | 12:33 |
| thorbjorn | sent* | 12:33 |
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| thorbjorn | I've installed sp-rich-core-postproc in an attempt to process them manually myself for now. | 12:41 |
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| Mikho | if I write "dir(PyQt4.QtGui)" in python2.5, I get a list of symbols, but there are not a single symbol with name starting with 'Q', including QApplication | 12:44 |
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| Mikho | I try the same with another DIABLO_X68 target, and everything works properly | 12:44 |
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| Mikho | this is very strange | 12:45 |
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| * tekonivel happy to see old-time atc(6) on Maemo :) :) :) | 12:48 | |
| tekonivel | called Airport Touch this time | 12:48 |
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| thorbjorn | What is the recommended define to use for Maemo-specific code? | 12:58 |
| thorbjorn | Like our project has already: | 12:58 |
| thorbjorn | #if defined(WIN32) || defined(__APPLE__) | 12:58 |
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| thorbjorn | Seems defined(MAEMO) should work. | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | thorbjorn: so... | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | MAEMO is kinda problematic | 13:00 |
| thorbjorn | Oh. | 13:00 |
| thorbjorn | That's what it says here http://www.kflog.org/cumulus/cross-build-environment/ | 13:00 |
| lardman | morning | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | imagine hypothetically that your code can build against Gtk, HildonGtk, Qt, and Harmattan | 13:00 |
| thorbjorn | This project is using SDL. | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | what would 'maemo' do? | 13:01 |
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| thorbjorn | Currently I need to disable dynamic switching of windows/fullscreen for TMW, since this fails on Maemo. | 13:01 |
| thorbjorn | windowed/fullscreen* | 13:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | mozilla mostly uses ifdef MOZ_PLATFORM_HILDON | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | for which we somehow define that | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | in networking, we look for libconic | 13:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | and for location we look for the geolocation thing | 13:02 |
| thorbjorn | I guess that's a Mozilla specific define. Like Qt has QT_OS_MAEMO or something. | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | but the point is that moz_platform_hildon would be gtk-hildon | 13:03 |
| thorbjorn | I need either something provided by SDL, or by the compiler. :) | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | it would not be confused with Harmattan | 13:03 |
| n9000 | what command should i type inside scratchbox to compile this code http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/How_to_set_an_alarm_event_on_Maemo | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | 'maemo' isn't really as monolithic as you want to think about it | 13:03 |
| thorbjorn | I'm not at the moment trying to make a usable package for Harmattan. | 13:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | n9000: so, that's from 'FN' | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | if you have questions about FN content, please do ask FN. | 13:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | (FN= Forum Nokia) | 13:04 |
| thorbjorn | I'm hoping the Harmattan TMW client can be a new Qt based one anyway. | 13:04 |
| n9000 | timeless_mbp: ok | 13:05 |
| timeless_mbp | the zip file ideally includes a Makefile, but if it doesn't, that's really a flaw in their content that they should fix | 13:05 |
| thorbjorn | For now I'd like to have the SDL based client work nicely on the N900. | 13:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | line 6404 -- dnl = Hildon and OSSO checks | 13:05 |
| timeless_mbp | line 6406 -- PKG_CHECK_MODULES(LIBHILDONMIME,libhildonmime, | 13:05 |
| timeless_mbp | line 6407 -- MOZ_PLATFORM_HILDON=1, | 13:05 |
| timeless_mbp | that's how we figure out in configure if we're on hildon... | 13:06 |
| thorbjorn | I guess PKG_CHECK_MODULES will also add linking to hildon, right? | 13:06 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=hildon&find=config | 13:06 |
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| ifreq | can i use headset plugin as line in?(via mic) | 13:07 |
| timeless_mbp | note that mxr.maemo.org exists too | 13:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (who manages led_kb0..6) check wiki/led_patterns. seems it's mce | 13:20 |
| SpeedEvil | not quite | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | at least - tehre seems to be some kernel involvement | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | while true do echo 100 >kbled;done | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I also freak out why they need a complete engine to control the brightness | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | does not result in strace showing any response from mce | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh | 13:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's only 456K of RAM - hardly worth noticing :/ | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: why should mce trigger while you set the led directly? it fights you as soons as you press a key of hwkbd | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | something is turning off hte LEDs though | 13:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ( while true do echo 100 >kbled;done) s/kbled/led_kb0/ ??? | 13:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | I mean setting the brightness | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | that's not the exact command - it's the idea | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | /sys/*/*/.../brightness | 13:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mce uses engine3 and thus spoils all the brightness settings for 6 kbd led | 13:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't looked at - and don't see how that works. | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | only when you press key, or when timeout expires | 13:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: echo load >engine3_mode; cat engine3_leds | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | will show you details how it works | 13:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to read over that. | 13:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Too much to do :/ | 13:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: in engine3_leds all the 6 kbd leds are "1", the three RGB are "0" | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | so engine3 program will change the PWM registers of all 6 kbd leds | 13:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mce would have done better job by directly modifying the led_kb[0-5]/brightness | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 13:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - it makes sense to offload it to hardware I suppose. | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | but some smart guy decided the use engine3 to ramp up/down the brightness during maybe 100ms | 13:36 |
| SpeedEvil | The ramp brightness is a nice effect | 13:36 |
| SpeedEvil | but it doesn't look like 100ms to me | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never really cared to scrutinize that ramp effect | 13:37 |
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| RurouniJones | Anyone tried installing kiten on their N900? | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd prefer to use all 3 engines for the 3 color LEDs | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | perhaps, yes. | 13:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: btw NationalSemi of course hasn't answered to my inquiry for LP5523 datasheet :-( | 13:43 |
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| * DocScrutinizer curses big silicon and their policy to keep the full datasheets confidential becoming ever more common | 13:45 | |
| hrw | did someone here used modest 3.2.x? | 13:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf could be wrong with 5523 ds when next page they offer 5521 ds for dl?? :-S | 13:46 |
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| * timeless_mbp misses lunch | 13:51 | |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | i could call | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: ping :) | 13:51 |
| * hrw curses modest | 13:52 | |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 13:53 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid non-Maemo developers who don't make their UI fit the HIG. | 13:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should abuse them. | 13:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=139384&id=6178302786 | 13:53 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3381143&id=6178302786 | 13:54 |
| timeless_mbp | sure that's a great ui | 13:54 |
| Wolfie | GeneralAntilles: the documentations are awfully long. It's hard for a common coder to bother | 13:54 |
| timeless_mbp | i like "addtional [sic] | 13:55 |
| timeless_mbp | i guess they ran out of space? :) | 13:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wolfie, it's really easy to copy what's built-in, though. | 13:55 |
| Wolfie | GeneralAntilles: that's true. | 13:55 |
| timeless_mbp | btwn "Addtional DNS servei [sic]" is also cute | 13:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wolfie, somehow people coding for Apple platforms can manage to read theirs. | 13:55 |
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| Wolfie | GeneralAntilles: that's because the cultures are very different between OSX and Linux, i believe | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wolfie, so are Symbian/Maemo/Windows/whatever developers just more lazy or do they take less pride in their work? | 13:56 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: will you tell them that spelling counts? | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wolfie, which is incredibly unfortunate. | 13:56 |
| Wolfie | GeneralAntilles: again, agreed | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wolfie, as one thing Apple and its developerbase always get right is attention to detail. | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sygic is the one that's really got me irritated at the moment. | 13:56 |
| Wolfie | GeneralAntilles: additionally, what i've heard, the iPhone SDK's GUI editor is childs play to use, and get great-looking UIs | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | They seem to have taken the Gate5 approach to making navigation software. | 13:56 |
| Damion2 | it seems to follow the normal look and feel for the UI what's wrong with it ? | 13:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Damion2, weird graphics, Settings is improperly implemented. | 13:57 |
| timeless_mbp | Damion2: the speedometers are not Maemo ui | 13:57 |
| timeless_mbp | the settings as i've already noted are bad | 13:57 |
| Wolfie | otoh, Maemo doesn't have a GUI editor, and your average developer is a code nerd - once the functionality is there, there's not much reason to break it by bothering with UI design :) | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/is/isn't/ | 13:57 |
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| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Damion2, weird graphics, Settings isn't improperly implemented. | 13:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | i didn't specifically mention it's using a maemo4- checkbox | 13:57 |
| timeless_mbp | but it does | 13:57 |
| Wolfie | also, your average coder is an awful graphical designer | 13:57 |
| hrw | basically you do not have any UI builder with maemo5 support | 13:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hrw, somehow that doesn't stop OS X developers. | 13:58 |
| Damion2 | I dunno, it looks like it has the same popup window style scrolling from the bottom up to select stuff etc | 13:58 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: to write for maemo5? :D | 13:58 |
| Wolfie | GeneralAntilles: to be fair, there's a fair share of fugly osx software, too | 13:58 |
| Damion2 | I'm not sure how they're doing nat, I guess a daemon like slirp or pnatd or they're just doing a proxy for http | 13:59 |
| tybollt | I think the jesusphones default layout is fugly... but then I'm probably a minority ;) | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wolfie, by and large, though, if you were to take a sample of 10 OS X applications, most of them would follow Apple's interface guidelines and generally look like they belong on the platform. | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | The same can't be said for many other platforms. | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Windows being the absolute worst. | 13:59 |
| Shrik3 | windows + OEM software | 13:59 |
| Wolfie | GeneralAntilles: sure, i'm not saying that. I'm just saying, that it's not impossible to get awful UIs | 13:59 |
| hrw | windows ui in apps... nightmare | 13:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | (Does any platform have uglier compressed file handling software than Windows?) | 13:59 |
| Wolfie | and, honestly, MS Office for mac is fugly | 13:59 |
| hrw | main source of ugly apps in my winxp install is nokia anyway | 14:00 |
| Shrik3 | every single mouse driver, printer driver etc HAS to have an UI "designed" by some marketing drone | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wolfie, historically (I haven't used any particularly recent versions), it's always looked better than its Windows counterpart, though. ;) | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, as a long time Apple user, I find it frustrating that no other company is able to deliver that attention to detail in its user experience that Apple does. | 14:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: apple had style guides from beginning | 14:02 |
| alterego | So does Maemo ^.^ | 14:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maemo is linux. linux not wellknown to have *any* styleguide for GUI | 14:03 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: w7's handling of zip's isn't bad | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, and their own software (nearly) always follows it, they don't ship text that's riddled with typos and Finnglish and they generally put a lot of focus into the details. | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, agreed, however you also have to deal with a lot of rar and (increasingly) 7zip. | 14:04 |
| timeless_mbp | oh brother | 14:04 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: pong? | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 3rd-party software for doing so is utterly atrocious. | 14:04 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: i was considering lunch | 14:04 |
| Damion2 | dotblank: got an email ? | 14:04 |
| timeless_mbp | i've decided against it :) | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | By the way, sp3000, do you want a cloak? | 14:05 |
| Damion2 | s/\([a-z]+\):/\/msg \1/ | 14:05 |
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| viq | How to make openvpn reconnect when changing between networks ? | 14:07 |
| sp3000 | DocScrutinizer, really? istr there being guides forever for the major desktops | 14:07 |
| seiflotfy | guys | 14:07 |
| seiflotfy | trying to run "import glib" in a temirnal | 14:07 |
| seiflotfy | it tells me | 14:07 |
| seiflotfy | ImportError: No module named pyglib | 14:08 |
| seiflotfy | can this be | 14:08 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: I was early anyway | 14:08 |
| seiflotfy | i mean i have python-gobject instelled | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | sp3000: afaik not the kind of stringent rigid styleguides we got for apple GUI since mac-II | 14:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | TomaszD, ping! | 14:08 |
| mgedmin | sp3000, scratchbox or real device? | 14:08 |
| mgedmin | sorry, xchat tab miscoompletion | 14:08 |
| mgedmin | seiflotfy, scratchbox or real device? | 14:08 |
| seiflotfy | scratchbox mrmg | 14:09 |
| mgedmin | seiflotfy, make sure you run 'python2.5' and not 'python' | 14:09 |
| seiflotfy | mgedmin, scratchbox | 14:09 |
| seiflotfy | i am sure | 14:09 |
| mgedmin | hm | 14:09 |
| seiflotfy | mgedmin, run-standalone.sh python2.5 | 14:09 |
| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: mmh, dunno. I disklike declarations :) | 14:09 |
| sp3000 | dislike even | 14:09 |
| alterego | N900 goes back tomorrow. | 14:10 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: works just fine here :... | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, well, Maemo/community/contributor/sp3000 is less declarative. | 14:10 |
| alterego | Better finish at least one of the apps tonight :'( | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, but just let me know if you do. | 14:10 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: are you on Maemo 5 (fremantle) target ? | 14:10 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: did you cloak me? | 14:11 |
| * mgedmin has no 'run-standalone.sh' in his fremantle armel target... | 14:11 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, X-Fades' gotta bug somebody from Freenode about it. | 14:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, and he's still putting out fires, so. . . . | 14:11 |
| timeless_mbp | ah | 14:11 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, yeah, don't distract him :) | 14:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | kloeri, unless I can con you into adding a few cloaks? | 14:11 |
| seiflotfy | lizardo, yes | 14:11 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: try running "update-python-modules -f" and tell me if it changes anything | 14:12 |
| seiflotfy | lizardo, nothing | 14:12 |
| seiflotfy | i am using scratchbox not scratchbox2 | 14:12 |
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| lizardo | seiflotfy: yes, me too | 14:13 |
| kloeri | GeneralAntilles: hmm? | 14:13 |
| timeless_mbp | ah | 14:13 |
| * timeless_mbp really loves firefo | 14:13 | |
| timeless_mbp | x | 14:13 |
| timeless_mbp | so much better than camino's urlbar | 14:13 |
| seiflotfy | lizardo, its odd | 14:13 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: are you sure it is complaining about "pyglib"? | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | kloeri, I've got a queue of cloaks I'd like to add, but our contact is currently busy with other stuff. | 14:13 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: and not just glib ? | 14:13 |
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| kloeri | GeneralAntilles: if it's project cloaks I need the request from the group contact | 14:13 |
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| seiflotfy | lizardo, [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/zeitgeist] > run-standalone.sh python2.5 | 14:14 |
| seiflotfy | Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Mar 16 2009, 16:36:21) | 14:14 |
| seiflotfy | [GCC 4.2.1] on linux2 | 14:14 |
| seiflotfy | Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. | 14:14 |
| seiflotfy | >>> import glib | 14:14 |
| seiflotfy | Traceback (most recent call last): | 14:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | kloeri, yeah, so I figured. ;) Thanks! | 14:14 |
| seiflotfy | File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> | 14:14 |
| seiflotfy | ImportError: No module named glib | 14:14 |
| seiflotfy | >>> | 14:14 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: microb > firefox - surely? | 14:14 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: on my mbp? | 14:14 |
| tybollt | meh | 14:14 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: ok, use pastbin next time :) so it is glib | 14:14 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly not ported | 14:14 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: does /usr/share/pyshared/gtk-2.0/glib/__init__.py exist ? | 14:14 |
| seiflotfy | lizardo, sorry | 14:14 |
| tybollt | sorry, didn't grasp you were talking about that | 14:14 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: the 'camino' part is the only hint i gave | 14:14 |
| timeless_mbp | it's an OS X only browser which i had been using for a while | 14:15 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: though camino has the thumbnails, doesn't it? | 14:15 |
| timeless_mbp | because Firefox had an extension which would trigger a crash periodically while i was idle | 14:15 |
| seiflotfy | gtk-2.0 does not exist | 14:15 |
| timeless_mbp | which is bad because even I have more than 5 web pages open concurrently | 14:15 |
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| seiflotfy | lizardo, gtk-2.0 does not exist | 14:15 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: on /usr/share/pyshared/ ? | 14:15 |
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| lizardo | seiflotfy: what "dpkg -l python-gobject" returns ? | 14:16 |
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| lizardo | seiflotfy: hmmm, now I see yoy are using python 2.5.2 , which means you haven't enabled extras-devel :/ | 14:18 |
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| lizardo | seiflotfy: you are actually using the few packages from the Maemo SDK, you should enable extras-devel on the target to use the latest python packages | 14:18 |
| seiflotfy | lizardo, how do i do that? | 14:18 |
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| tybollt | I sure would like a browser that did thumbnails | 14:18 |
| tybollt | on my N | 14:18 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: add "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list | 14:19 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: and run "apt-get update" | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: any idea what's that strange effect. every once in a while I see the rendered page oscilating up and down a few pixels (~4Hz). When I scroll a little it vanishes | 14:19 |
| timeless_mbp | i know it | 14:19 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't remember what we decided | 14:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: btw seen same shit on desktop with evince or some other pdf viewer | 14:20 |
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| lizardo | seiflotfy: after that run "apt-get install python-runtime" to get at least a basic updated Python environment | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: maybe X ? | 14:20 |
| seiflotfy | lizardo, i just did apt-get upgrade | 14:20 |
| seiflotfy | :) | 14:20 |
| timeless_mbp | it might have thought that there was a press that was moving up/down | 14:20 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: should work too ;) | 14:20 |
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| lizardo | seiflotfy: after that , run "python2.5" and check if it reports as version 2.5.4 | 14:21 |
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| seiflotfy | lizardo, Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, Nov 27 2009, 00:08:37) | 14:22 |
| seiflotfy | YAY | 14:22 |
| seiflotfy | still now working though | 14:22 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: what "dpkg -l python-gobject" returns ? | 14:23 |
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| seiflotfy | lizardo, it works now | 14:23 |
| seiflotfy | however | 14:23 |
| seiflotfy | File "/home/seif/zeitgeist/zeitgeist/../_zeitgeist/engine/__init__.py", line 42, in _Constants | 14:23 |
| seiflotfy | glib.get_user_data_dir()+"/zeitgeist") | 14:23 |
| seiflotfy | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'get_user_data_dir' | 14:23 |
| seiflotfy | this is some weird glib | 14:24 |
| seiflotfy | lol | 14:24 |
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| lizardo | seiflotfy: from the documentation: "This function is available in PyGObject 2.18 and above." | 14:25 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: Maemo 5 has 2.16.1 :/ | 14:25 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: see http://library.gnome.org/devel/pygobject/stable/glib-functions.html#function-glib--get-user-data-dir | 14:25 |
| seiflotfy | lizardo, u know anyway i can get the basedirectory | 14:26 |
| seiflotfy | pyxdg is not supported | 14:26 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: yes... you can replace that with a hardcoded path (something under /home/user maybe?) good luck with the rest of your porting :) | 14:27 |
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| tybollt | hmm | 14:30 |
| tybollt | appears putting your ovi mail in MFE does _not_ make it sync the ovi calendar - hmmm... | 14:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lizardo: hardcoded path?? o.O sounds nasty. I'd suggest ${HOME}/foo/bar or ${CWD}/foo/bar at very least | 14:37 |
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| lizardo | DocScrutinizer: "get_user_data_dir()" returns a hardcoded path actually, the suggestion is to provide a workaround as the function is missing on 2.16 | 14:39 |
| lizardo | DocScrutinizer: when I say "under /home/user" I mean a subdirectory under it of course ;) if one wants to be policy compliant , /home/user/.config/<appname> is the best option | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's with /home/JohnDoe/ user ?? | 14:41 |
| lizardo | DocScrutinizer: there is only the "user" user in N900, it is the default one | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | or root, for a more RL example | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | lizardo: are you sure? have you seen Pr1.2? or my system setup? | 14:42 |
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| mgedmin | lizardo, shouldn't one use XDG_CONFIG_DIR instead of hardcoding ~/.config? | 14:42 |
| mgedmin | I meant XDG_CONFIG_HOME | 14:42 |
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| lizardo | mgedmin: yes, it is an option :), is it available on Maemo ? | 14:43 |
| mgedmin | http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html | 14:43 |
| mgedmin | good question | 14:43 |
| mgedmin | IIRC the spec says "use $XDG_CONFIG_HOME; if it's not set, fall back to ~/.config" | 14:43 |
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| mgedmin | on maemo my environment only has $XDG_DATA_DIRS set (at least over ssh) | 14:44 |
| hrw | ~curse nokia badly | 14:44 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia badly ! | 14:44 |
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| seiflotfy | lizardo, The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 14:47 |
| seiflotfy | python2.5-dbus: Depends: python-dbus (= 0.83.0-1maemo1) but it is not going to be installed | 14:47 |
| seiflotfy | E: Broken packages | 14:47 |
| seiflotfy | how do i check for broken packages | 14:47 |
| edheldil | seiflotfy: here the problem is that for whatever reason, python-dbus (= 0.83.0-1maemo1) is not installed and is not going to be | 14:48 |
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| Damion2 | what is the hight of the screen when the top bar is there? | 14:49 |
| seiflotfy | edheldil, lol | 14:49 |
| seiflotfy | edheldil, that is all | 14:49 |
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| lizardo | seiflotfy: try installing "python-dbus" | 14:51 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: and not "python2.5-dbus" | 14:51 |
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| seiflotfy | lizardo, i have it | 14:51 |
| seiflotfy | :) | 14:51 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: so where do you get that error ? | 14:52 |
| seiflotfy | lizardo, in my program | 14:52 |
| seiflotfy | it quits with an exception | 14:52 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: I don't get it , you are getting a dpkg error from your program? | 14:52 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: which kind of program is that? :) | 14:53 |
| seiflotfy | no no | 14:53 |
| seiflotfy | i am trying to post my program to maemo | 14:53 |
| seiflotfy | yet i get dbus exceptions | 14:53 |
| seiflotfy | so i thought maybe its because i dont have python2.5-dbus | 14:53 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: which kind of dbus errors are you getting ? | 14:53 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: if you are testing under scratchbox, make sure you are on the X86 target (_not_ the ARMEL one) | 14:54 |
| seiflotfy | http://pastebin.ca/1766457 | 14:54 |
| seiflotfy | lizardo, how do i check | 14:54 |
| seiflotfy | i am on x86 | 14:55 |
| seiflotfy | :) | 14:55 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: and that you have the Maemo UI started (start Xephyr + af-sb-init.sh start) and that you run all your applications using run-standalone.sh python2.5 app | 14:55 |
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| lizardo | seiflotfy: from the error, most probably the dbus service your application expects is not started... | 14:55 |
| zaheerm | seiflotfy, you porting zeitgeist to maemo? | 14:56 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: do you have a N900 to try on it? | 14:56 |
| seiflotfy | zaheerm yes | 14:56 |
| zaheerm | seiflotfy, awesome | 14:56 |
| seiflotfy | lizardo, nope | 14:56 |
| seiflotfy | lizardo, i applied for one | 14:56 |
| zaheerm | seiflotfy, did you start your app with run-standalone.sh ? | 14:56 |
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| lizardo | seiflotfy: what it does exactly? :) | 14:56 |
| seiflotfy | zaheerm yes | 14:57 |
| seiflotfy | lizardo, it logs ur activites and detects behaviour patterns | 14:57 |
| seiflotfy | on maemo we intend to do something really awesome | 14:57 |
| seiflotfy | i cant talk about it yet | 14:58 |
| zaheerm | you tracking location of where action happens? :) | 14:58 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: google is not being kind with the word :) | 14:58 |
| seiflotfy | lizardo, try gnome zeitgeist | 14:58 |
| seiflotfy | zaheerm yeah that too | 14:58 |
| seiflotfy | zaheerm where and whe nsomething happened | 14:58 |
| seiflotfy | so when u go to wokr | 14:58 |
| seiflotfy | zeitgeist then knows | 14:58 |
| zaheerm | a mini cia on our hands... | 14:59 |
| lardman | lcuk: why are you asking technical questions on TMO? | 14:59 |
| seiflotfy | due to ur previous activites u usually turn ur phone to silen when at work between the times of 8 and 5 | 14:59 |
| seiflotfy | hehehe | 14:59 |
| seiflotfy | so next time u get there | 14:59 |
| seiflotfy | it asks u | 14:59 |
| seiflotfy | do u want it to be silent ? | 14:59 |
| seiflotfy | zaheerm ^ | 14:59 |
| ifreq | network patterns | 14:59 |
| ifreq | nice | 14:59 |
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| seiflotfy | thus we need it to run on maemo | 15:00 |
| zaheerm | yah it sounds cool | 15:00 |
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| seiflotfy | now i just need to get it to run | 15:00 |
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| zaheerm | seiflotfy, have you tried a simple app that just does sessionbus = dbus.SessionBus() ? | 15:01 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: from your description, it is very possible that you might need a Nokia tablet to test things on... if it relies on DBUS, you need to have that services running | 15:01 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: just my impression thought | 15:01 |
| lizardo | I didn't look at the code :) | 15:01 |
| seiflotfy | lizardo, we need dbus | 15:01 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, but scratchbox should be enough for him to get his app running nicely | 15:01 |
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| zaheerm | lizardo, there is a dbus session and system bus running | 15:02 |
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| edheldil | rmoravcik: hi, can I ask about ukeyboard? | 15:02 |
| seiflotfy | zaheerm, lizardo: http://pastebin.ca/1766464 | 15:03 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: yes... but for things like getting phone status he will need a device for sure :) from the error it is not clear whether the application is already trying to connect to a (non-running) DBUS service | 15:03 |
| zaheerm | seiflotfy, try: run-standalone.sh python2.5 | 15:03 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, the pastebin is clearly showing he is trying to create a session bus object | 15:03 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: yes, no I see :) | 15:03 |
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| seiflotfy | zaheerm still failing | 15:04 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: It was just not clear on the previous snippet :) | 15:04 |
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| lizardo | seiflotfy: do you have the Maemo UI started ? | 15:04 |
| seiflotfy | lizardo, no | 15:05 |
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| lizardo | seiflotfy: you need it | 15:05 |
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| zaheerm | seiflotfy, export DISPLAY=:2 ; af-sb-init.sh start | 15:05 |
| lizardo | seiflotfy: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK#Starting_Virtual_X_Server_.28Xephyr.29 | 15:05 |
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| zaheerm | assuming your Xephyr runs on display 2 | 15:05 |
| seiflotfy | ITS RUNNING | 15:06 |
| seiflotfy | YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY | 15:06 |
| ifreq | :) | 15:06 |
| zaheerm | seiflotfy, great | 15:06 |
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| seiflotfy | I am off hakcing | 15:06 |
| zaheerm | enjoy | 15:06 |
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| lizardo | seiflotfy: now you just need a device to do the rest :D (hope you get it soon) | 15:07 |
| seiflotfy | dunno if i qulaify | 15:07 |
| seiflotfy | i applied though | 15:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | danielwilms, ping? | 15:19 |
| tekojo | GeneralAntilles do we have a r set on the channel again? | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 15:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | danielwilms, /msg nickserv register <password> <email> | 15:21 |
| tekojo | danielwilms isn't registered :) | 15:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | tekojo, well, one good thing about the spambots is that we're getting everybody registered. ;) | 15:21 |
| anidel | hi guys | 15:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, anidel. | 15:21 |
| anidel | fine thanks.. how about you? | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | anidel, being productive. | 15:23 |
| anidel | lucky you | 15:24 |
| koala_man | how do I save an attachment (image) from an email? | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Generating karma and everything. | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | koala_man, tap'n'hold? | 15:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | danielwilms, OK, hopefully you're identified now. So, do you want an IRC cloak? | 15:24 |
| koala_man | GeneralAntilles: no luck | 15:25 |
| danielwilms | hey GeneralAntilles...yes, now I'm there | 15:25 |
| danielwilms | :) | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | koala_man, how about tapping the image link at the bottom of the header? | 15:25 |
| anidel | hi Daniel | 15:25 |
| danielwilms | hi anidel | 15:25 |
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| danielwilms | GeneralAntilles yeah, might be useful ;) | 15:26 |
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| koala_man | GeneralAntilles: what header? | 15:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | koala_man, OK, tapping the link in the header opens in in the image viewer. Then I can tap the menu and hit Save. | 15:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | koala_man, the section at the top that lists To/From/time, etc. | 15:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | danielwilms, since I have no idea what your real job title resembles, come up with something that fits the format of Maemo/<position>/ | 15:28 |
| koala_man | I don't have a link there, in the standard N900 email reader | 15:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | danielwilms, tekojo has got /Maemo/maemo.org/infrastructure/tekojo, I just gave a bunch of /Maemo/uxdesigner/<nick> to the UX people, and konttori has got /Maemo/OS/konttori. | 15:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | koala_man, one sec. | 15:28 |
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| anidel | koala_man, click on the attachment and it'll download the first time.. click again and it'll ask you if you want to save it or open it. As far as I remember it works like that. | 15:29 |
| tekojo | /Maemo/OS/konttori sounds impressive, but he does deserve it | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: koala_man: there's a 'bug' in mailer not to show attachments in certain subsections of a multipart/mixed msg | 15:29 |
| danielwilms | GeneralAntilles: ok...then let's take Maemo/maemo.org/developer-support | 15:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | tekojo, hey, man, if you want a more impressive cloak, it'll be $20 USD. :P | 15:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | danielwilms, OK, noted. | 15:30 |
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| tekonivel | konttori means "the/an office" in finnish btw | 15:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | danielwilms, I'll get X-Fade to add you after he's done firefighting. | 15:30 |
| koala_man | anidel: nothing happens when I tap the image | 15:30 |
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| danielwilms | GeneralAntilles thanks :) | 15:31 |
| tekonivel | or "buro" | 15:31 |
| tekojo | GeneralAntilles only € notes in my pocket :( | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | tekojo, too bad. ;) | 15:31 |
| anidel | koala_man, the image? or the image file name just below the To/From whatever section? | 15:31 |
| koala_man | anidel: there is no image filename there | 15:31 |
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| anidel | koala_man, is this Modest ? you want to save an image that you see in an e-mail? | 15:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs to figure out how to get the wiki to sync up to a couple of text files on his desktop. | 15:32 | |
| anidel | koala_man, I don't recall Modest showing image attachments, if you see the image displayed than probably is an HTML e-mail with an image link in it | 15:32 |
| koala_man | anidel: I have no idea what it's called, the icon and title bar just says "E-mail" | 15:33 |
| anidel | konttori reminds me of a Studio Ghibli movie... | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | My Neighbor Totoro? | 15:33 |
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| anidel | yep.. I mean in general. It's a Ghibli-like name :) | 15:33 |
| anidel | koala_man, that's Modest, indeed.. but it never shows attached images.. so again.. do you SEE the image ? | 15:34 |
| koala_man | anidel: yes | 15:34 |
| anidel | koala_man, so it is NOT an attachment | 15:34 |
| anidel | koala_man, it's an HTML mail showing the image.. not sure it allows you to save it | 15:35 |
| anidel | koala_man, I sent two images ealier today and E-Mail shows them to me as "Attachment: <filename>.jpg"... | 15:35 |
| koala_man | anidel: it's a plain text email with an image attachment | 15:35 |
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| koala_man | well, there is apparently an html component to the mail as well, but the image is very much attached | 15:36 |
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| anidel | koala_man, I might be wrong.. but I have never seen Modest showing attached images to me unless they were part of an HTML.. ether way... if I tap on the image FILENAME than it shows it to me | 15:36 |
| anidel | but if it shows it.. no idea how to save it | 15:36 |
| anidel | if I keep the finger pressed on the image is shows a contextual menu with "Save target as".. does it happen to you as well? | 15:38 |
| anidel | (I tested right now on an easyjet e-mail) | 15:38 |
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| anidel | GeneralAntilles, I do have the cloak already, don't I ? | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | anidel, hrm, you're on the list. | 15:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | anidel, but I don't see it on your account. | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | anidel, check memoserv? | 15:40 |
| anidel | I think I did msg memoserv.. something specific in the msg? | 15:41 |
| anidel | ahhh | 15:41 |
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| anidel | I need to msg PriceChild :D | 15:42 |
| anidel | I think I sent it to memoserv at the time.. ops | 15:42 |
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| anidel | does "PriceChild" exist? | 15:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | anidel, according to nickserv, not sure if they're online. | 15:44 |
| anidel | whois doesn't show that account | 15:44 |
| anidel | but /msg didn't complain | 15:44 |
| anidel | mmm | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | May not be online. | 15:45 |
| anidel | thinks o | 15:45 |
| anidel | k | 15:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | anidel, might ping #freenode | 15:45 |
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| koala_man | anidel: I can send you a test image by mail that shows the problem for me if you want | 15:49 |
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| hrw | how to get Skype->Skype calls working? All I got was "connection with internet required" but I am on wifi and logged into skype account... | 16:04 |
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| hrw | same for skype->skype chat | 16:04 |
| florian | sounds like a bug | 16:04 |
| Lantizia | Does anyone know what app is in this pic? http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Jan2010/Nokia-N900-Exclusive-To-Vodafone-For-Another-Month-3G.jpg | 16:04 |
| florian | i even attended skype conferences with the n900 | 16:05 |
| Lantizia | I don't think it's Ovi Maps - something else | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lantizia, Sygic. | 16:05 |
| hrw | it is | 16:05 |
| hrw | florian: I know what is wrong even | 16:05 |
| Lantizia | GeneralAntilles: any good? | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lantizia, not released. | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lantizia, their screenshots haven't left me impressed, however. | 16:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lantizia, looks like a rough port of the Symbian UI. | 16:05 |
| Lantizia | me too :) | 16:05 |
| thresh | still better than ovi | 16:05 |
| Lantizia | the article the image was in wasn't even about the maps thing | 16:05 |
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| Lynoure | Lantizia: looks like a 3D model of a N900 instead of the real thing... | 16:06 |
| Lynoure | Lantizia: no screen toggle switch, thinner than the real thing... | 16:07 |
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| tybollt | aaah | 16:07 |
| tybollt | so sygic is why nokia won't get us t-by-t ovi m on the 900 | 16:08 |
| tybollt | ker-ding | 16:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | The proximity sensor is there. | 16:09 |
| hrw | florian: it appears when you try to call/chat to offline contact | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Lynoure: also - if you hold the n900 at just that angle - the switch dissapears | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Lynoure: and looks like a black void - which is in the image | 16:10 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: sygic maps follows tomtom navigation | 16:10 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: and tomtom navi UI on any device is best possible | 16:10 |
| Lynoure | SpeedEvil: I still suspect it being an early concept pic... which would explan the wrong map app | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, it needs to follow Maemo's UI guidelines. | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, having the back button on the bottom of the screen wastes space | 16:11 |
| florian | hrw: ok in this case this is a user interaction problem | 16:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Lynoure, the switch is there. | 16:12 |
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| hrw | florian: it should tell user that second user is not available by this method | 16:14 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: you used navigation during driving car? | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, several different ones, yes. | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which kind? | 16:15 |
| anidel | koala_man, yup.. confirmed.. that kind of attachment can't be saved with Modest.. bug ? | 16:15 |
| koala_man | feature request at least | 16:16 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: I have tomtom v3 and searching for small back button is not what I would like to do | 16:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, erm, the Maemo back button is small? . . . | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, whatever, I don't really care. | 16:17 |
| koala_man | anidel: DocScrutinizer mentioned something about attachments in certain sections not being shown | 16:17 |
| florian | hrw: yes indeed | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just a firm believer in integrated UIs. | 16:17 |
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| anidel | koala_man, even gmail doesn't really allow me to save that image.. I think it's seen as PART of the e-mail rather than an "attachment" | 16:18 |
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| anidel | koala_man, it comes like this: <img width=246 height=93 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01CA9E9A.0059FC90"> | 16:20 |
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| koala_man | inlined attachment | 16:20 |
| anidel | yep | 16:20 |
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| hrw | bug #8549 | 16:24 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8549 Skype call/chat to offline contacts ends with wrong text note | 16:24 |
| tybollt | "wrong text note"? | 16:25 |
| Disconnect | its a C sharp, it should be an A flat | 16:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Autotune! | 16:26 |
| tybollt | =) | 16:26 |
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| hrw | tybollt: notification message? | 16:27 |
| wazd | hello maemo | 16:27 |
| anidel | hi | 16:28 |
| Lynoure | Lantizia: actually... http://www.digitallife-shop.com/uncategorized/nokia-n900-navigation-sygic-mobile-maps-turn-by-turn-gps-navigation.html | 16:29 |
| Lynoure | Lantizia: seems already available on http://www.sygic.com | 16:30 |
| Lynoure | oh, just "coming soon" there too. | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lynoure, think it's waiting on the Ovi Store "Hey, let's apt-get some paid shit!" fix. | 16:31 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: ops. I watched movie. you have right | 16:32 |
| tybollt | neat | 16:32 |
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| tybollt | <nokia> Hi user - pay a prermium for our most advanced phone yet and we'll make sure it will be the only nokia phone where turn-by-turn costs you money! | 16:33 |
| tybollt | s,user,customer, but whatever... | 16:33 |
| hrw | I wonder how much will sygic costs and how much for regions as I need two of them | 16:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | tybollt, management just isn't behind this platform. | 16:34 |
| ifreq | http://glympse.com/HJC-0F4 | 16:34 |
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| anidel | Ovi Maps on the N900 I think it's a completely different product than Ovi Maps on Symbian | 16:34 |
| tybollt | GeneralAntilles: don't get me wrong... I love my device, I'm just ranting :) | 16:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is | 16:34 |
| wazd | any MADDE devs in here? :) | 16:34 |
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| hrw | anidel: it is | 16:34 |
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| anidel | so it make sense it has different , how it's called?, .. path than the Symbian one? | 16:35 |
| toggles_w | wazd: can't download it | 16:35 |
| hrw | anidel: development path? rather other then s60 one yes | 16:35 |
| anidel | Free Nav for sure boiled internally for Ovi Maps for sometime now.. and Ovi Maps for the N900 just became.. stable.. | 16:36 |
| anidel | hrw: yes | 16:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | anidel, stable . . . ha. | 16:36 |
| anidel | GeneralAntilles, :) you know what I mean :) Win7 is not stable.. but it's the "stable release" out there :p | 16:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | anidel, I love watching Microsoft try to copy Apple's eyecandy. | 16:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | and people call OS X fruity. . . . | 16:37 |
| anidel | my point is that yes I am sad I don't have free nav on the N900 .. but I do understand it takes time to develop that into Ovi Maps for N900, time and money.. and I am not sure how many devs are allocated to it | 16:37 |
| anidel | GeneralAntilles, Microsoft needs EyeCandy :) | 16:37 |
| Milo- | anidel they could open source the maemo ovi maps and let community help | 16:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | anidel, somebody should launge corpses at Gate5 | 16:38 |
| anidel | Milo-: I WISH :) but they will never do it | 16:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Milo-, I don't think it'd help. | 16:39 |
| Milo- | well, they open sourced symbian, bought qt and kept it open | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Milo-, I can only imagine how horrifying that codebase | 16:39 |
| anidel | Milo: also it's "free", but to have it, you need a Nokia phone :) | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, it's a differentiation point. | 16:39 |
| anidel | exactly | 16:39 |
| Milo- | GeneralAntilles some group could see where it lost its potential | 16:39 |
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| Milo- | and just use the necessary parts and improve ovi maps | 16:40 |
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| Milo- | I am pretty sure there are those people who would be willing to help | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Milo-, besides, the UI is mostly JS shit. | 16:40 |
| hrw | to tell the truth I prefer to keep ovi maps closed and developed by nokia | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Milo-, better to start from scratch. | 16:40 |
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| hrw | one place to curse at | 16:40 |
| Milo- | the maps catalogue is impressive | 16:41 |
| VDVsx | can someone tell me which group belongs MyDocs folder in your n900 ? | 16:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hrw, problem is, it isn't even developed by Nokia. | 16:41 |
| Milo- | nokia has impressive map database | 16:41 |
| anidel | VDVsx, "group"? Unix group? | 16:41 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: it is (C) by nokia so for me it is by nokia | 16:41 |
| VDVsx | anidel, yes, like users or root | 16:41 |
| anidel | user.root | 16:41 |
| anidel | root's the group | 16:41 |
| Milo- | user is the loser | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, blame Gate5. | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, all the fail comes from over there. | 16:42 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: how it is solved inside of nokia is their thing | 16:42 |
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| VDVsx | anidel, thanks :) | 16:42 |
| Matthew- | Heyo. | 16:42 |
| anidel | VDVsx, np | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, I don't know why Nokia doesn't just bitch slap them into behaving. | 16:42 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: "Gate5 offers mapping and location based services for mobile devices. The company was acquired by Nokia in 2006." so gate5 == nokia | 16:42 |
| tybollt | hrw: I prefer not being offered to buy turn-by-turn when nokia tells the world "IT'S FREE FOR ALL NOKIAS DEVICES" | 16:43 |
| Milo- | yeah funny how nokia "forgot" about their latest device | 16:43 |
| RST38h | What device was the latest? | 16:43 |
| El_Angelo | what is the new update? | 16:43 |
| hrw | tybollt: sure, but n900 will be forgotten by nokia in q3 of 2010 (or any such timeline) when next maemo device will appear | 16:44 |
| tybollt | anyway there's a TOMTOM in my car so I shouldn't care - probably :) | 16:44 |
| Milo- | well I was referring to n900 | 16:44 |
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| anidel | hrw, of course.. after all it's just to showcase Maemo | 16:44 |
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| tybollt | yeah | 16:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hrw, I'd really like to administer some physical abuse to the marketing idiot who decided capacitive was justification for not shipping Maemo 6 to the N900. | 16:45 |
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| anidel | at least they play nicer than Google, Microsoft, Palm and Apple :) | 16:45 |
| anidel | GeneralAntilles, also for actually switching to capacitive ... | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | anidel, that too. | 16:45 |
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| hrw | anidel: maemo5 got released with information that maemo6 is what nokia works on and that it will use Qt instead of GTK+ so dear developers please stfu and decide will you go to qt 4.5 not supported by nokia but installed on device or to qt 4.6 which is officially developed but not available for users etc | 16:45 |
| El_Angelo | what is the new update? | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | anidel, I feel like I really should've booed at BCN. | 16:46 |
| anidel | GeneralAntilles, at least.. theirs seem to work fine for handwriting.. the X6 supports China handwriting and it's capacitive | 16:46 |
| anidel | GeneralAntilles, :) | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Oh, could someone, anyone, please make an N900 theme like this one: http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s254/s8ntmark/desktop7.jpg | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Please? | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, PR1.2 should have Qt4.6 anyway. | 16:46 |
| tybollt | GeneralAntilles: Is no m6 for n900 set in stone? It's final? | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, steampunk'd be fun. | 16:46 |
| anidel | hrw, today I wrote my first two Qt apps ... :/ | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | tybollt, as far as I can tell. | 16:46 |
| El_Angelo | 15:46 anidel | GeneralAntilles, :) | 16:46 |
| jkimball4 | if you're complaining about the touchscreen on n900, you've clearly not used it because it's really pretty good | 16:47 |
| hrw | anidel: I wrote one some time ago | 16:47 |
| anidel | El_Angelo, you mean .. both :) | 16:47 |
| tybollt | GeneralAntilles: nokia is working hard to alienate the users? | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | tybollt, but the closed thing to an official stance on the issue was basically an offhand comment at BCN. | 16:47 |
| RST38h | General: Would be mighty cool, if applied with style and restraint | 16:47 |
| anidel | jkimball4, the opposite :) we love it | 16:47 |
| El_Angelo | anidel: was a paste fuckup | 16:47 |
| tybollt | GeneralAntilles: ugh | 16:47 |
| jkimball4 | anidel: thought so :) | 16:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/closed/closest/ | 16:47 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: tybollt, but the closest thing to an official stance on the issue was basically an offhand comment at BCN. | 16:47 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: cool. too bad that 4.5->4.6 require rebuilding of all apps | 16:47 |
| jkimball4 | i enetered at wrong time perhaps | 16:47 |
| jkimball4 | i thought it'd be crap based on a similar screen technology on a samsung i messed with. | 16:48 |
| anidel | jkimball4, no worries | 16:48 |
| jkimball4 | far superior on nokia | 16:48 |
| Milo- | El_Angelo I don't see an update | 16:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | jkimball4, sadly most of the people who insist capacitive is superior only ever get to use really awful resistive screens. | 16:48 |
| tybollt | yes indeed | 16:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | jkimball4, there isn't a lot of variability in capacitive, which leads people to the wrong conclusions. | 16:49 |
| tybollt | the n900 is a very very nice resistive screen | 16:49 |
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| anidel | GeneralAntilles, a friend of mine has his Pre for a few months now.. he recently got an N900 and commented "horrible resistive screen" :( they get used to it.. and complain | 16:49 |
| jkimball4 | GeneralAntilles: or only used an iphone and think it was sent from jesus | 16:49 |
| Milo- | capacitive is superior because apple's marketing team says so | 16:49 |
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| jkimball4 | you know.. the kind who thin kthey know tech because they have some gagdet that someone told them was good | 16:49 |
| Milo- | and since apple is a fruit, it must be true | 16:50 |
| anidel | the worst thing with capacitive is that it seems: capacitive = no physical keyboard | 16:50 |
| Milo- | thinks the idiots | 16:50 |
| tybollt | milo: because Steve Jobs said so | 16:50 |
| tybollt | and also | 16:50 |
| tybollt | the jesus-crowd all do and buy whatever that man tells them to | 16:50 |
| anidel | so hopefully the Maemo 6 device AT LEAST should have a keyboard.. | 16:50 |
| tybollt | if Jobs were to release "I-turd - buy my poo" they would. | 16:50 |
| Arkenoi | but not the next one, i think | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | because it has an i in it, and ppl think 'i never lie' :p | 16:50 |
| El_Angelo | Milo-: i just got a mail that there is an update | 16:51 |
| Milo- | from who? | 16:51 |
| anidel | oh an btw, tomorrow will stfu all of us with their next creation.. yeah yeah | 16:51 |
| El_Angelo | i don't feel like installing it without knowing what it has | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | late pr1.1 fail maybe? | 16:51 |
| El_Angelo | from nokia | 16:51 |
| Milo- | dated today? | 16:51 |
| * RST38h moos at arkenoi | 16:51 | |
| El_Angelo | yep | 16:51 |
| El_Angelo | 15:09 | 16:51 |
| Milo- | sure it is not fake? | 16:51 |
| El_Angelo | so... 42 minutes ago | 16:51 |
| Milo- | or maybe it is by Mokia | 16:52 |
| El_Angelo | it looks genuine | 16:52 |
| anidel | El_Angelo, may be it's one of those e-mail you get when register to these "Be the first to know" (that you are the last to know) | 16:52 |
| El_Angelo | it's the same mail address as the previous update | 16:52 |
| tybollt | I got the "there's an update" mail yesterday - for my E75! :P | 16:52 |
| anidel | e-mail thingy | 16:52 |
| mtnbkr | one of the best MAD-TV skits ever was the Steve jobs product release of the irack hillarious. 'specially if one has little love of Jobs/Apple or Bush's Policies. Or all compbined. Wonder if it is on youtube... | 16:52 |
| anidel | but updated.. for what? :) | 16:52 |
| El_Angelo | yeah well... i registered my device... not sure if that was wise | 16:52 |
| El_Angelo | i'll just wait a bit with updating | 16:52 |
| Milo- | heh | 16:53 |
| tybollt | El_Angelo: paste the mail into pastebin and hand us the link | 16:53 |
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| Milo- | okay | 16:53 |
| El_Angelo | tybollt: it's in dutch | 16:53 |
| El_Angelo | is that ok? | 16:53 |
| tybollt | sure | 16:53 |
| Milo- | ah, it must be fake then | 16:53 |
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| Milo- | made up mail in made up language | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | anidel, it's call "iPhone finger" | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | anidel, when you're used to resistive and you use capacitive, that's "reverse iPhone finger" | 16:54 |
| tybollt | :-D | 16:54 |
| El_Angelo | http://devnull.lunar-linux.org/p/1017 | 16:54 |
| anidel | GeneralAntilles, ah so there's been someone who studied that :) | 16:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | mtnbkr, that one was pretty weak, have you seen the Onion one? | 16:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary | 16:55 |
| El_Angelo | a bit too vague | 16:55 |
| tybollt | hmm | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | andre__, seen http://commonspace.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/learning-from-10-yrs-of-bugzilla-data/ yet? | 16:56 |
| mtnbkr | GeneralAntilles: weak? Aw man, I loved that iRack skit...:) | 16:56 |
| andre__ | mgedmin, nope. thanks | 16:57 |
| anidel | mgedmin, wow 21 mins | 16:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh, man, I love the Onion. | 17:00 |
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| mtnbkr | GeneralAntilles: that video won't load/play on my firefox on 64-bit Linux :( | 17:01 |
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| mtnbkr | can't view anything on the onion... :( | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | mtnbkr, think a lot of it is on YouTube. | 17:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/are_violent_video_games | 17:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, man, I really hate trying to get information through video. | 17:04 |
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| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles, me too, and that's why I browsed the slides and skipped the video | 17:05 |
| anidel | mgedmin, :) me too.. | 17:05 |
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| Damion2 | mtnbkr: I've had no issues on the 64bit flash .so in the past but using the latest 32bit under the wrapper is also working | 17:06 |
| TomaszD | fiferboy, around? | 17:06 |
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| fiferboy | TomaszD: Here | 17:07 |
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| TomaszD | fiferboy, how's your transifex work going? I see some progress, but still not there :) | 17:07 |
| fiferboy | TomaszD: I have the initial traslation stuff in place. | 17:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, TomaszD. | 17:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you want a cloak? | 17:08 |
| fiferboy | I am making some changes to some of the string, then I will update them on transifex and ask for contributers | 17:08 |
| TomaszD | GeneralAntilles, sure. | 17:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | TomaszD, OK, will get X-Fade to add you in the next round. | 17:08 |
| TomaszD | fiferboy, right, because now submissions are disallowed :) | 17:08 |
| TomaszD | GeneralAntilles, thanks :) | 17:09 |
| fiferboy | TomaszD: Ah, I guess I have to somehow allow submissions as well :D | 17:09 |
| fiferboy | I hope to be ready by weeks end to get user submissions | 17:09 |
| TomaszD | fiferboy, yes, preferably not free-for-all :) | 17:09 |
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| fiferboy | TomaszD: You mean for contributors? | 17:10 |
| TomaszD | fiferboy, yes, don't do that, you have the option to allow those who click on the "Request ..." something, I don't remember what, permissions I guess | 17:11 |
| fiferboy | TomaszD: Okay, I will set it up like conny did for conboy | 17:11 |
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| TomaszD | fiferboy, ok | 17:11 |
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| dpro | hi | 17:12 |
| dpro | supercollider now running on maemo ... yippieeee | 17:13 |
| Corsac | is that the software running the LHC? | 17:13 |
| dpro | Corsac: hehe, nope http://supercollider.sf.net/ | 17:13 |
| dpro | computermusic swiss army knife | 17:14 |
| dpro | so it's kind of swiss ;) | 17:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, interesting. | 17:17 |
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| jiajia | my n900 restarts sometimes what is the problem can anyone tell , i did power saving couple days ago , but i canceled it ,why it still does it | 17:21 |
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| Damion2 | there is a file you can examine which explains the reason for the last reset | 17:23 |
| jiajia | which file sir | 17:24 |
| Damion2 | let me google that for you | 17:24 |
| jiajia | i tried google couldn't find | 17:24 |
| jiajia | thanks if u do | 17:24 |
| Damion2 | http://www.bing.com/search?q=reboot+reason+n900&go=&form=QBLH&qs=n&sc=4-5 | 17:24 |
| Damion2 | cat /proc/bootreason | 17:25 |
| jiajia | thanks i am reading | 17:25 |
| Damion2 | you can also use cuil.com | 17:25 |
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| jiajia | thanks a lot , i will try to fix it , | 17:25 |
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| tank-man | Damion2, so your choice of search engine is bing? :) | 17:27 |
| Damion2 | well in a terminal that command "cat /proc/bootreason" will say what happened last | 17:27 |
| Damion2 | tank-man: I use them all, I liked altavista at uni | 17:27 |
| Damion2 | normally I use google | 17:27 |
| Damion2 | talking of google, I'm going to upload a video of google maps on the n900 | 17:30 |
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| hcarrega | Damion2: | 17:54 |
| hcarrega | hum | 17:54 |
| hcarrega | link? | 17:54 |
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| alterego | Any side effects expected by settings the 'user' user's password? | 17:55 |
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| cehteh | no | 17:57 |
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| alterego | I've just had another killer application idea. | 17:59 |
| Damion2 | hcarrega: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyMstzfez3c | 17:59 |
| hcarrega | huuh | 17:59 |
| alterego | God-damnit, I need a device :( | 17:59 |
| Damion2 | give me a google login and I'll permit view | 17:59 |
| hcarrega | load "" | 17:59 |
| tybollt | alterego: Reformating your device using ReiserFS? | 17:59 |
| alterego | That'll kill something :P | 17:59 |
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| tybollt | ehr, it olready killed something AFAIK | 18:00 |
| Damion2 | hcarrega: okay | 18:00 |
| alterego | Hahah | 18:00 |
| alterego | Very funny :P | 18:00 |
| Damion2 | hcarrega: I couldn;'t work that out | 18:01 |
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| tybollt | alterego: you going to spill your killer idea then? | 18:01 |
| * tybollt curious now :) | 18:02 | |
| Damion2 | hcarrega: huh, okay I'll make it public for a mo | 18:02 |
| hcarrega | ok sir | 18:02 |
| alterego | I think I'll keep it quite until I get it under way, which probably wont happen until I manage to some how wrangle a device as the loaner I got from my brother is going back to him tomorrow or the day after. | 18:03 |
| alterego | So I realy need to complete the Call Blocking app first ;) | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, quite being such a cheapskate. :D | 18:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/quite/quit/ | 18:05 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: alterego, quit being such a cheapskate. :D | 18:05 |
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| alterego | By killer, I don't mean, hundreds of iPhone users are going to drop their iphones and get an N900, it's not a marketting application. It's an extension/application that I think all existing users will quite like. | 18:05 |
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| alterego | Alright, I'll spill. You know most modern Nseries camera applications can take a"burst" of pictures. Well, my idea is to implement that and then stich them together to generate your own panoramic home backgrounds. | 18:08 |
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| hcarrega | brb | 18:08 |
| lardman | has been talked about on TMO iirc | 18:08 |
| slonopotamus | alterego, boring... | 18:08 |
| alterego | I just looked out the window and thought, wow, that sunset looks really nice, I wished I could do it. | 18:08 |
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| lardman | what I need is to sort out some super-res stuff for low quality images | 18:08 |
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| alterego | lardman: cool, so, someone else is doing it? :) | 18:09 |
| lardman | alterego: no idea if they actually started anything | 18:09 |
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| alterego | slonopotamus: well, I guess I was wrong with my asssumption of "everybody" then ^.^ | 18:09 |
| lardman | alterego: but there are a couple of threads about photography on TMO, and that was mentioned iirc | 18:09 |
| lardman | well on-device and on-PC are different matters too | 18:10 |
| alterego | lardman: yeah, I guess it's a pretty, erm, easy assertion when talking about the camera and comparing features against other Nseries devices. | 18:10 |
| lardman | if it were on device I'm sure people would give it a go | 18:10 |
| alterego | Yeah, it is on device. | 18:10 |
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| alterego | Basically, a) start app. b) press camera shot button. c) move around (180 degress?) or so. d) then the app generates the seamless backgrounds. | 18:11 |
| alterego | OR complains that your pictures are shit and asks you to do it again ^.^ | 18:11 |
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| Kegetys | for handheld no-hassle panoramas I doubt the stitching would be very smooth, and at least I would then rather just have separate pictures on the desktops with seams visible when switching desktops than poorly stitched pictures visible all the time | 18:11 |
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| lardman | better to have an overlay with the edge of the last shot so you know how far to go | 18:12 |
| alterego | Sure, but without giving it a go, how can we know how effective it'd be? | 18:12 |
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| alterego | lardman: good idea. | 18:12 |
| lardman | Kegetys: why do you doubt it can be done? | 18:12 |
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| alterego | With lardman's solution, you should be able to get them pretty perfect. | 18:13 |
| Kegetys | I dont doubt it can be done, I just think it would be very difficult to actually make it look good | 18:13 |
| lardman | or rather doubt it can be done quickly enough to make it useful? | 18:13 |
| lardman | yeah | 18:13 |
| alterego | What's the resolution of video? | 18:13 |
| alterego | :) | 18:13 |
| SpeedEvil | 800*480 | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | can be | 18:14 |
| lardman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugin_%28software%29 | 18:14 |
| alterego | Well, sorted then ^.^ | 18:14 |
| Kegetys | plus the camera is not that good, you'd need to somehow expose all the pictures with the same settings which for typical lanscapes is going to be a problem with the poor quality sensor | 18:14 |
| lardman | alterego: no point in using video really, that's quite blurry | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | individual frames are moderately blurred if you are moving round | 18:14 |
| alterego | I like your suggestion though lardman I think that's how I'd do it, and you'd really only need to take five pictures to get enough of the scene. | 18:14 |
| lardman | Kegetys: that's where the interest lies though, sorting out the image manipulation stuff ;) | 18:15 |
| alterego | :) | 18:15 |
| villager | it seems to me the camera can grab many frames per second at 2592x1968 | 18:15 |
| alterego | I can't work out whether Kegetys really thinks it's an awful idea or whether he's just playing devil's advocate ^.^ | 18:16 |
| lardman | I think the quality of the images you produce will not be great without spending significant amounts of time on the code and logic | 18:16 |
| Kegetys | its not an awful idea, just I think getting good results with it would be very difficult, for both the implementation of the tool doing it and for the person taking the pictures | 18:17 |
| alterego | I kind of just want to knock up a prototype to see how well it'll do without too much fiddling. | 18:17 |
| lardman | go for it :) | 18:17 |
| alterego | v2 can have better processing and stuff. | 18:17 |
| lardman | though do try Hugin linked above | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | villager: I question many | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | villager: where are the frames going to go? | 18:18 |
| villager | SpeedEvil: didn't say they were saved anywhere | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 18:18 |
| villager | SpeedEvil: I just show them on the display | 18:18 |
| Kegetys | even when using a DSLR and "high end" stitching software on a desktop it can be difficult to get good results | 18:18 |
| ph1l | yes! i've done it: bootchar | 18:18 |
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| ph1l | t | 18:18 |
| dpro | I'm thinking of visiting my parents w/o internets is there an easy way to do interwebs-3g-n900-nat-wifi-laptop ? | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | villager: that means scaling though | 18:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | dpro: not easily | 18:18 |
| dpro | I mean does the kernel support all necessary things for that ? | 18:18 |
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| alterego | dpro: don't you have the USB cable for tehthering? | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | dpro: yes - but the supporting stuff isn't there. | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | dpro: you don't have iwconfig | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - USB tethering would work, yes | 18:19 |
| lardman | I really fancy a beer | 18:19 |
| dpro | ah ok that's fine with me too | 18:19 |
| alterego | It's actually how I asccess the internet at home ;) | 18:19 |
| villager | SpeedEvil: if done on the cpu instead of the gpu then yes it would slow it down a bit, but I still get many frames per second | 18:19 |
| dpro | but I guess I'll build wireless-tools then | 18:19 |
| ph1l | here's a bootchart of a mostly vanilla N900-51-1: http://imagebin.ca/view/aZNEBR6j.html | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | dpro: that would be good | 18:20 |
| alterego | The grewat thing is, the N900 stays connected even when it's tethered to a computer. Unlike every other phone I've used. | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | ph1l: changes since last time? | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | ph1l: cool | 18:20 |
| andres | SpeedEvil: tethering via bluetooth seems to work for me as well | 18:20 |
| * dpro puts wireless-tools on the TODO list | 18:20 | |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: annoyingly not if that's over wifi tho | 18:20 |
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| alterego | SpeedEvil: sure, but you can't tehther wifi. | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | ph1l: you should get that for mmc disk throughput too | 18:20 |
| ph1l | SpeedEvil, looks slightly different :-) | 18:20 |
| dpro | on another note - any obvious gcc flags I should use on arm to optimize my supercollider port a little more ? | 18:20 |
| alterego | Well, you can, but you can't realy :P | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: why not? | 18:21 |
| tybollt | dpro: LHC in the n900? | 18:21 |
| ph1l | Stskeeps, you meen when booting from mmc | 18:21 |
| ph1l | right? | 18:21 |
| Scummer | hmm.. adding the recaller widget does not show on the desktop... anyone else having the same problem ? | 18:21 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: I was wanting to do a ssh DBUS proxy on the n900over wifi | 18:21 |
| dpro | tybollt: duh ... not again ;) it's http://supercollider.sf.net/ | 18:21 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: err - SOCKS | 18:21 |
| alterego | Hah, | 18:21 |
| dpro | works, beeps, eats 90% cpu with a couple of synths playing ... | 18:22 |
| dpro | I'd really love to know how to get realtime scheduling going for jackd & supercollider | 18:22 |
| SpeedEvil | ph1l: is it possible to get 'disk' working? | 18:22 |
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| alterego | How I've been playing with the N900 at home: N900 connected to 3.5G tethered to my laptop (using PC Suite Mode) which also enables usb0 network interface, so I use that too SSH from my laptop to the N900. | 18:22 |
| alterego | I seem to get issues with adhoc wife between my laptop and N900, it stalls horrifically. | 18:23 |
| tybollt | dpro: c'mon I had to joke about that :D | 18:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ph1l: I also wonder how much of that CPU is eaten by compression | 18:23 |
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| ph1l | SpeedEvil, probably with custom kernel... i'll have a look this evening... | 18:23 |
| dpro | tybollt: granted :), just seem to have heard it before ;) | 18:23 |
| ph1l | SpeedEvil, and how much CPU for encryption :-D | 18:24 |
| dpro | SpeedEvil: but stuff like NAT and ip forwarding works on the n900 ? | 18:24 |
| tybollt | dpro: sorry to annoy you though ;) | 18:24 |
| SpeedEvil | dpro: NAT I don't think is included by default | 18:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | jaffa did a kernel with it | 18:24 |
| dpro | tybollt: NP | 18:24 |
| villager | dpro: perhaps you'd have to put in some arm asm code... | 18:24 |
| alterego | DSP | 18:24 |
| dpro | villager: I might have to, yes | 18:24 |
| lizardo | repository.maemo.org is down ? :'( | 18:24 |
| SpeedEvil | (NAT that is) | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | lizardo: works for me | 18:25 |
| lizardo | Stskeeps: I get "An error occurred while processing your request." | 18:26 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: what's doing the PROXYing?> N900 to some server on the cloud? | 18:26 |
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| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: I don't think I did | 18:26 |
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| * slonopotamus wonders if anyone here at all knows why she can't chroot while being inside armel scratchbox. | 18:26 | |
| Stskeeps | she? | 18:26 |
| Scummer | oh oh | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: I'm sure you did. OTOH - you'd probably know better :) | 18:26 |
| slonopotamus | anyone. she. | 18:27 |
| alterego | slonopotamus: I don't realy htink it's possible. | 18:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: You compiled a kernel - with modules - just not NAT ? | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: cos of SB's way of doing it | 18:27 |
| alterego | slonopotamus: what are you trying to do? | 18:27 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: by NAT are you talking about iptables? :P | 18:27 |
| villager | slonopotamus: chroot is something only root can do, and SB doesn't really run as root | 18:28 |
| slonopotamus | alterego, i'm trying to measure competence level of maemo ppl :) | 18:28 |
| villager | perhaps fakeroot can emulate chrooting though | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: chroot is really difficult in sb | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:28 |
| alterego | Hahah | 18:28 |
| villager | hmm, seems not | 18:28 |
| alterego | You could hack scratchbox to allow you to log in as root ;) | 18:29 |
| slonopotamus | oh, you're not root there :( | 18:29 |
| alterego | Just don't chroot into a target with architecture or ABI incompatibilities with your host's kernel ^>^ | 18:29 |
| alterego | slonopotamus: bug scratchbox devs to make you a fakeroot-chroot function :) | 18:30 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: I didn't :) | 18:30 |
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| * SpeedEvil may be inventing stuff due to pizza deficiancy. | 18:30 | |
| villager | debian has a fakechroot, maybe import that into extras-devel | 18:30 |
| * Jaffa hasn't done any Maemo kernel development/compilation/packaging. Honest :) | 18:30 | |
| alterego | Which would effectively just change your target :P | 18:30 |
| * Jaffa has a pizza deficiency, but he's fairly certain he'd remember :) | 18:30 | |
| Scummer | hm.. is there a logfile somewhere to be found when an addition to the desktop fails ? | 18:30 |
| alterego | villager: I don't think that's as fake as you think it is. | 18:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Aha! s/aff/ebb/ | 18:31 |
| Jaffa | Scummer: NAFAIK; but what's the problem? (I've been looking at lots of hildon-desktop stuff with Catorise) | 18:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I think. | 18:31 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: That'd do it :) | 18:31 |
| xorAxAx | slonopotamus: marat is a female name? | 18:31 |
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| villager | alterego: what do you mean? fakechroot is a ld_preload trick just like fakeroot (which does work in scratchbox), isn't it? | 18:32 |
| slonopotamus | xorAxAx, 'anyone' is female. | 18:32 |
| Scummer | jaffa: trying to get the recaller widget added to the desktop... but it won't show | 18:32 |
| villager | alterego: nor did I say anything about whether fakechroot is fake or not, just said it's available in debian | 18:32 |
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| lizardo | thanks to http://espejo.freemoe.org/ I got what I needed :) | 18:32 |
| Scummer | jaffa : so i'm trying to find out why it's not being added and looking to see if it maybe throws an error somewhere | 18:33 |
| alterego | Fair muff | 18:34 |
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| Jaffa | Scummer: Can you pastebin /usr/share/applications/hildon/recaller.desktop? | 18:36 |
| slonopotamus | so you can't enter scratchbox while being root? | 18:36 |
| Jaffa | There's Weird Shit[TM] what happens with Phone and stuff | 18:36 |
| Jaffa | (i.e. you have to have it in the menu for the desktop entry to work) | 18:36 |
| Jaffa | s/in the menu/$& exactly once/ | 18:36 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: (i.e. you have to have it $& exactly once for the desktop entry to work) | 18:36 |
| Scummer | jaffa : lemme check | 18:36 |
| lardman | my phone desktop shortcut is not working anymore | 18:37 |
| lardman | in fact all the shortcuts on one desktop have failed | 18:37 |
| tybollt | lardman: tried rebooting? | 18:37 |
| Scummer | jaffa : that file doesn't exist | 18:37 |
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| tybollt | lardman: R E B O O T | 18:37 |
| tybollt | :) | 18:37 |
| lardman | tybollt: nah | 18:37 |
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| lardman | this is Linux! ; | 18:37 |
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| lardman | kill -9 hildon-desktop | 18:38 |
| tybollt | seriously I have had the icons dissapearing on my plenty times, IIRC reboot solved it | 18:38 |
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| lardman | though that will probably have the same effect | 18:38 |
| slonopotamus | villager, Only a privileged process (Linux: one with the CAP_SYS_CHROOT capability) may call chroot(2). You don't need to be root. | 18:38 |
| Scummer | jaffa : i'm assuming since the widget doesn't get added.. | 18:38 |
| lardman | tybollt: no, not disappearing, they are there but don't work | 18:38 |
| dpro | SpeedEvil: there is a wireless-tools package already | 18:38 |
| Scummer | jaffa: it does show in the widget list tho... weird.. | 18:38 |
| tybollt | lardman: HUP not 9, gee wtf :) | 18:38 |
| lardman | tybollt: true | 18:38 |
| lardman | I usually reboot | 18:38 |
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| tybollt | yeah | 18:38 |
| lardman | :) | 18:38 |
| tybollt | reboot does it the right way | 18:38 |
| lopz | hey! ;] | 18:39 |
| tybollt | no need to engage brains | 18:39 |
| Scummer | reboot sounds so windoze like... | 18:39 |
| kuriiri | lardman: you have catorise? | 18:39 |
| tybollt | and also you don't become one of the uptime kids *shudder* | 18:39 |
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| lardman | kuriiri: yes | 18:39 |
| kuriiri | yeah, add new shortcuts :) | 18:40 |
| kuriiri | there s weird bug | 18:40 |
| tybollt | I don't use an N900 because I hate windows. I use an N900 because it is a good device. | 18:40 |
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| Scummer | with windoze the N900 wouldn't be a good device to start out with.. hehe | 18:41 |
| Arkenoi | http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/01/aigo_n500_mid_runs_on_maemo.html it runs Mer, or what? | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | no, diablo deriative | 18:41 |
| kuriiri | i have 3 calendar and 3 clocks selectable in the add shortcut menu | 18:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They took a bunch of the Diablo open source components, added their own crap and called it "Maemo". | 18:41 |
| SpeedEvil | dpro: oh. Where do I get the list of stuff - including the stuff that doesn't show up in ham | 18:42 |
| Arkenoi | so it is not really compatible to anything? | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | Arkenoi: it is compatible with diablo i think | 18:42 |
| alterego | What's the Maemo.org IRC cloak list? Is that just a mapping of IRC nicks to usernames?@ | 18:42 |
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| tybollt | http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/01/aigo_n500_ | 18:43 |
| GAN900 | I wish idiot bloggers would stop spreading lies. | 18:43 |
| alterego | Should I add mine? | 18:43 |
| tybollt | oops | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | an IRC cloak on freenode is what shows up when you do /whois foo | 18:43 |
| GAN900 | alterego, do you have 500 karma? :P | 18:43 |
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| alterego | Ah, no :) | 18:43 |
| tybollt | so | 18:43 |
| alterego | GAN900: so, what is it? | 18:43 |
| tybollt | there was talk about an extended battery by a third party | 18:43 |
| tybollt | any news on that? | 18:43 |
| GAN900 | alterego, see Task:maemo.org IRC cloaks | 18:44 |
| Scummer | gah.. | 18:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | How does one see ones karma? | 18:45 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: no | 18:45 |
| tybollt | :'( | 18:45 |
| Scummer | jaffa: i did a killall hildon-home and bamm.. the widget shows up on the desktop :/ | 18:45 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: go to your maemo.org profile. | 18:45 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, login to maemo.org, click your name in the upper right. | 18:45 |
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| alterego | Heh, the N900 has tun/tap built by defailt? Nice .. | 18:51 |
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| alterego | Could do SSH based VPN well easy. | 18:51 |
| villager | slonopotamus: then I guess you know how to give it that capability | 18:52 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders why his karma isn't higher. It says 4* bugs. Is this bugs in a given state? | 18:53 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Odd. And my wiki contributions list is blank. | 18:54 |
| ceda | hmm, stage.maemo.org doesn't accept my crash reports, is it down? | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | stage is dead afaik | 18:55 |
| ceda | bummer | 18:55 |
| slonopotamus | ceda, does it output crash report instead? :) | 18:55 |
| ceda | thanks, I'll attach on bugzilla then | 18:55 |
| ceda | slonopotamus: :) nah, it just says "Failuire with file XXX. Server status 0" | 18:56 |
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| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, karma revisions are being pushed today. | 18:59 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, probably affecting calcs. | 18:59 |
| Jaffa | Last time a karma recalc took 2 days, do we know if that's gone down? | 19:00 |
| GAN900 | Seems likely. | 19:00 |
| GAN900 | But dunno. | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: that's why all the contribs pages in the wiki are blank? | 19:00 |
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| hendry | i'm trying to get a .desktop shortcut to run a command as root. can anyone offer some advice please? | 19:02 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, no, that's a MediaWiki limitation brought out by using GForge accounts on it. | 19:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 19:04 |
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| ceda | hendry: if you really have to, then setuid might work? | 19:04 |
| hendry | i saw something like | 19:06 |
| hendry | Exec=sudo gainroot | 19:06 |
| hendry | Exec=/home/user/c | 19:06 |
| hendry | though that doesn't work | 19:06 |
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| GAN900 | Bloggers are going to be the first ones against the wall once the revolutoon starts. | 19:12 |
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| hendry | argh, i need strace | 19:12 |
| * hendry wonders why i can't find an strace package for maemo5 | 19:13 | |
| SpeedEvil | look for the tools repo | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get install strace | 19:13 |
| Damion2 | oh yeah I needed that recently | 19:13 |
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| Damion2 | Jaffa: you from egham hills or mono? I'm sure we've met | 19:15 |
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| im2 | which command should i use to compile this code from scratchbox "http://pastebin.com/m2481128a" | 19:25 |
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| Mikho | anyone have experience with running PyQt4 inside scratchbox? It seems I'm not able to run the simplest hello world program without it segfaulting after running QApplication.exec_() | 19:30 |
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| woglinde | Mikho hm might be qemu | 19:31 |
| woglinde | Mikho or are you testing with i386 target? | 19:31 |
| Mikho | i386 | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | Mikho: maemo5? | 19:31 |
| Mikho | diablo | 19:31 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, then it's normal | 19:32 |
| Mikho | the weird thing is: if I run python2.5 myapp.py, it crashes | 19:32 |
| woglinde | hm | 19:32 |
| anidel | hi, did nokia actually stated that the Maemo 6 device will be capacitive? I think they only stated it'll be capable of multitouch, right? | 19:32 |
| Mikho | but if I run python2.5 and then write execfile("myapp.py"), it works | 19:32 |
| Mikho | also, python2.5 -c "execfile(\"myapp.py\")" crashes | 19:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | anidel, Summit announcement said capacitive. | 19:33 |
| Mikho | pyqt4 is not supposed to work under diablo? | 19:34 |
| anidel | damn.. ok :) I was trying to hold on a hope | 19:34 |
| Jaffa | Damion2: Both :) | 19:34 |
| woglinde | Mikho not really | 19:34 |
| timeless_mbp | anidel: you were hoping for a product that cost 10x as much as the competition? :) | 19:34 |
| spectre- | joikuspot n900 preview shots released | 19:34 |
| timeless_mbp | spectre-: we already critiqued it | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Stantum aint that expensive. | 19:35 |
| timeless_mbp | it got an F | 19:35 |
| anidel | timeless_mbp, are those resistive/multitouch screens that expensive? no one's ordering them :) | 19:35 |
| Mikho | I experimented a bit, and found out that the app crashes when it's trying to paint the window | 19:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | anidel: as volumes increase, costs goes down | 19:35 |
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| Mikho | but if I make the xephyr screen super large (8000x4800), it works again (though slow) | 19:36 |
| anidel | timeless_mbp, know that.. | 19:36 |
| dotblank | Ok. google voice is pretty cool but I wish the n900 app would make it so all phone calls are sent through google voice | 19:36 |
| Mikho | waiting for someone to tell me to quit running pyqt apps inside scratchbox :) | 19:37 |
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| jhford | is it possible (or advisable) to have scratchbox running with both chinook and fremantle sdks? | 19:38 |
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| Damion2 | Jaffa: so we have met? | 19:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I just want a device that doesn't make me feel like Nokia's been abusing my time and energy to create a product I don't want to own. | 19:40 |
| Jaffa | Damion2: Online, certainly. | 19:40 |
| Damion2 | ph1l: that bootchart is great | 19:40 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: sorry | 19:40 |
| timeless_mbp | that seems unlikely to happen | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, apparently. | 19:40 |
| Damion2 | oh he's not here | 19:40 |
| timeless_mbp | companies abuse people | 19:40 |
| * Jaffa wants to not buy an N900 and have it superceded in 4 months | 19:40 | |
| timeless_mbp | that's how they work | 19:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I just wish there were somebody I could adequately express my displeasure to. | 19:40 |
| anidel | Jaffa, you hope it'll be announced before Sept 2010 :D like me | 19:41 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: i think it's very safe to say it won't be in 4 months | 19:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | shall we try some math? | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1 year, 4 months. | 19:41 |
| anidel | correct | 19:41 |
| Damion2 | but so many major bugs marked as fixed in m6 means it must be soon | 19:41 |
| * Jaffa looks forward to the beta Maemo 6 SDKs which we should be getting in 2 months *cough* ;-) | 19:41 | |
| Damion2 | you can't just leave those broken in m5? | 19:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What does it matter, Nokia prefers people who aren't and haven't purchased their product to people who's money and time they've already conned out of them. | 19:41 |
| Disconnect | Jaffa: thats my thought. i was gonna get an n900 last year but they kept changing prices, release dates, etc etc. by the time it came out the tmob rumours slowed me down, and now by the time i'm ready it'll be close to maemo 6 device. or the android "nexus pro" w/ kb and such. | 19:41 |
| anidel | Jaffa: beta? :) | 19:42 |
| Jaffa | anidel: According to the summit, wasn't it Jan-Feb, alpha; Mar-May, beta | 19:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: so you expect us to go from "beta sdk" to shipping product in 2 months? | 19:42 |
| timeless_mbp | very funny | 19:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/who's/whose | 19:42 |
| Disconnect | timeless_mbp: do it the google way. go from shipping device to beta sdk in 4 weeks ;) | 19:42 |
| anidel | Jaffa: did they also say the year? :p | 19:42 |
| Jaffa | anidel: They did ;-) | 19:43 |
| anidel | Jaffa, eheh | 19:43 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: OK, "launch" rather than "shipping" | 19:43 |
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| * timeless_mbp looks for a calendar | 19:43 | |
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| anidel | cal | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | does nokia have *any* launch events available in may? | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: afaik most launch events nokia has are late aug at the earliest | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | (where the n900 "launched") | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think there are any launch events in the summer | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | (finns take summer holidays for some silly reason) | 19:44 |
| Matthew- | Is there a way of getting all emails in 1 inbox? | 19:44 |
| anidel | May the beta + 4 months -> September | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | anidel: june/july aren't months | 19:45 |
| anidel | timeless_mbp, summer holidays are not silly... well.. August ones are | 19:45 |
| timeless_mbp | in corporate calendars they aren't even scheduled :) | 19:45 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: "4 months" wasn't supposed to be specific, fwiw | 19:45 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 19:45 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry | 19:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't find a non specific claim | 19:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd get in trouble :) | 19:45 |
| timeless_mbp | but i can easily wave my hands and explain away 4 months! :) | 19:45 |
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| anidel | :D | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | What the hell ever happened to that "2 rounds of major support" claim. . . . | 19:46 |
| timeless_mbp | s/find/fight/ | 19:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: what's that? | 19:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That each device would get at least 2 major releases. | 19:47 |
| frals | pr1.1, pr1.2? ;D | 19:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | frals, only if you have one of Jobs's RDF machines. | 19:47 |
| anidel | for me Major Release means Maemo 5 and Maemo 6 :p | 19:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | did the n810 get a major update? | 19:48 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't think it did | 19:48 | |
| timeless_mbp | heck, i don't think the n800 did either | 19:48 |
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| Jaffa | Maybe that's why Nokia's giving away so many N900s, they know no-one'll be buying them in 7 months ;-) | 19:48 |
| timeless_mbp | it just got the minor cpu scaling update | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 did | 19:48 |
| hrw|gone | timeless_mbp: n800 got chinook and diablo | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2008 | 19:48 |
| anidel | "7 months" again not specific? | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | 770 got OS2005 and OS2006 | 19:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | N800 got OS2007 and OS2008 | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then it sort of didn't pan out for the N810 | 19:48 |
| anidel | N810 is a "sub-model" | 19:48 |
| timeless_mbp | oh right, yeah, we only screwed the n810 | 19:48 |
| Jaffa | anidel: I'll keep making specific notes until timeless_mbp stays quiet ;-) | 19:48 |
| hrw|gone | n900 got maemo5 and will not get more | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | and seems likely to not pan out for the N900. | 19:48 |
| anidel | Jaffa: :D | 19:49 |
| hrw|gone | timeless_mbp: and n810we which did not existed outside of nokia ;D | 19:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrw: actually i know people who managed to buy that | 19:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i really do not understand *how* | 19:49 |
| timeless_mbp | but they did | 19:49 |
| anidel | N810 can run OS2007.. so .. it got two :P | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | So things just seem to be getting worse. | 19:49 |
| hrw | o.. | 19:49 |
| Jaffa | or *why* | 19:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: no comment :) | 19:49 |
| hrw | anidel: it can run os2005he even | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have a strong desire to tar and feather Symbian managers who made their way into Maemo. | 19:49 |
| anidel | hrw so .. see.. so far so good | 19:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: i'll buy the tar | 19:49 |
| timeless_mbp | and sponsor you for the feathers | 19:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't get how Nokia can so effectively kill off communities with each release without actively trying to do so. | 19:50 | |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: it's a corporation :) | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love the whole community building approach to product releases | 19:50 |
| anidel | ignoring is killing | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Let's release these R&D devices so we can build up a great community so when we finally go to market properly everything will be awesome!" | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | All they actually managed to do was sour people on the platform and the company. | 19:51 |
| Disconnect | timeless_mbp: "late 2010" http://gizmodo.com/5377966/nokias-next-os-maemo-6-could-look-like-this so.. for me, "4 months" is only a minor exaggeration (march to july, launch in sept or so) | 19:51 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: but in nokia way it is more like: Let's release these R&D devices so we can build up a great community so when we finally go to market we will stop development and start next device | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's hilarious talking to 770 and N800 owners who will have nothing to do with Nokia anymore because of how they mishandled things. | 19:51 |
| anidel | that's what happen when a play project (maemo) grows up and attracts business people that will then decide for its future | 19:51 |
| Disconnect | GeneralAntilles: could be worse. nokia is making people sad. google is actively making them hate :) | 19:52 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: I got brand new 770 from nokia guy 3 months before end of support | 19:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm finding that all of my favored brands are slowly making me hate them. | 19:52 |
| anidel | which other brand? | 19:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apple's the other big one. | 19:52 |
| timeless_mbp | brands? | 19:52 |
| derf | I don't understand why it's "slowly". | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | The whole Apple Computer -> Apple, Inc. thing sums that one up nicely. | 19:53 |
| anidel | true Apple was my favored brand when I got their first pb (12") | 19:53 |
| anidel | GeneralAntilles, indeed | 19:53 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 19:53 | |
| * timeless_mbp hearts mbp | 19:53 | |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I can't wait until Mobile Mac OS X becomes just Mac OS X. | 19:54 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 19:54 | |
| GeneralAntilles | (XI?) | 19:54 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not a fan of the way apple's version compat story plays out | 19:54 |
| timeless_mbp | or the fact that their loader story is awful | 19:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | by 10.9 or so they might have a basic toolchain that doesn't suck | 19:54 |
| * Disconnect is still amused about nokia tho. A few years back nokia was pushing that funky sideways camcorder phone (beginning of n-series maybe?) and one of the reps at the web20 booth no-shit started -yelling- at me that nobody would ever want a phone with a kb, blackberry was a fluke, nokia wouldn't ever make -any- more communicator-style devices, etcetc.. | 19:54 | |
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| timeless_mbp | well | 19:55 |
| timeless_mbp | i think communicator is officially dead | 19:55 |
| timeless_mbp | the e90 isn't really a communicator | 19:55 |
| anidel | timeless_mbp, we'll see tomorrow... their next creation | 19:55 |
| timeless_mbp | it's symbian done badly to annoy diehard communicator users | 19:55 |
| Damion2 | uhoh, our partner with google didn't know 1.1 launched the video talk | 19:56 |
| Damion2 | s/google/nokia/ | 19:56 |
| infobot | Damion2 meant: uhoh, our partner with nokia didn't know 1.1 launched the video talk | 19:56 |
| Damion2 | thankyou infobot | 19:56 |
| anidel | video talk ? | 19:56 |
| Damion2 | yeah if somebody starts a video talk with a googlecontact, from a desktop it does two way video/audio conferencing | 19:57 |
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| anidel | didn't try that | 19:57 |
| timeless_mbp | Damion2: eh? | 19:57 |
| timeless_mbp | Damion2: i think that predates 1.1 | 19:57 |
| hrw | Damion2: but due to quality of frontcamera it is worse experience then not having videocall support | 19:57 |
| timeless_mbp | i seem to recall someone demoing that to me in 1.0 | 19:57 |
| timeless_mbp | it just was an undocumented feature | 19:58 |
| anidel | it didn't work | 19:58 |
| timeless_mbp | and it was not likely to last more than half a minute | 19:58 |
| timeless_mbp | it didn't work _well_ | 19:58 |
| timeless_mbp | but it did sorta work | 19:58 |
| Damion2 | interestingly with good quality front cam, showing that various contrasty ioctl's against /dev/video1 work well | 19:58 |
| anidel | it didn't work for me | 19:58 |
| Corsac | videoconf never really worked for me but I always had either NAT problems, either codecs problem | 19:58 |
| timeless_mbp | i was using sales until christmas or so | 19:58 |
| timeless_mbp | and i did google talk video to myself to test | 19:58 |
| Damion2 | I've yet to install the .debs for 64bit linux video talk | 19:59 |
| Damion2 | so I've been getting windows/mac people to call me in the office. I tried switching /dev/video1 0 around which works for the mirror app ;) But crashes camera app and gtalk | 20:00 |
| * Damion2 has to go running, see you later | 20:00 | |
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| anidel | http://www.flickr.com/photos/anidel/4109322793/ | 20:01 |
| anidel | this is what happened when I tried video call | 20:01 |
| anidel | after 2 seconds, call dropped | 20:01 |
| anidel | this was PR1.0 I think... | 20:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | anidel: yeah, but 2s >> 0s | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | i think i had up to 30s | 20:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | but only once or twice | 20:02 |
| anidel | timeless_mbp, video never showed up though :) | 20:03 |
| anidel | we'll try again | 20:03 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, i got video | 20:03 |
| timeless_mbp | both ways | 20:03 |
| timeless_mbp | but it's really not that interesting | 20:03 |
| timeless_mbp | it should be better in later versions | 20:03 |
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| LuciusMare | hi | 20:04 |
| LuciusMare | i heard that n900's got a serial console, but i couldnt find any more things about it - is it true? Can it be used to control, for example servos, or these kinds of electronical circuits? | 20:04 |
| kamui_ | hihi | 20:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare: so | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | the device has pins which can be used as a serial console | 20:05 |
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| LuciusMare | ^^ | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | and the kernel can be told to use those pins | 20:05 |
| hrw | LuciusMare: it has serial console. but you need to be @nokia to know where they are and which voltage | 20:05 |
| cehteh | bit hard to reach :) | 20:05 |
| unixSnob | any browsers support MHT files on maemo? | 20:05 |
| LuciusMare | :( | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | unixSnob: no | 20:05 |
| unixSnob | bummer! | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | uncab them. | 20:05 |
| cehteh | LuciusMare: under the battery :) | 20:06 |
| LuciusMare | :o | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare: so... | 20:06 |
| LuciusMare | So, practically no use? | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | it generally isn't worth using | 20:06 |
| LuciusMare | aw. | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | if you aren't a kernel dev, you shouldn't use them | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a waste of resources | 20:06 |
| LuciusMare | aw again. | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | and it actually can cause interesting bugs | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | well, annoyingly *stupid* bugs | 20:06 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Seen http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=495495#post495495 ? | 20:06 |
| cehteh | only for mounting that device on a test-rig | 20:06 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: and if you are then you do not have informations anyway | 20:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | ssh is better | 20:06 |
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| LuciusMare | huh | 20:07 |
| LuciusMare | ssh to control electronic circuits? | 20:07 |
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| Jaffa | Apparently "What Mobile" magazine in the UK definitively said that Maemo 6 was going to be available on the N900. | 20:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare: most people want the serial console so they can see debug spew | 20:07 |
| Corsac | Jaffa: are their sources reliable? :) | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | you can see debug spew by running apps from a terminal, e.g. an ssh session | 20:07 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: I want it to be able to track why my alternative OS do not work | 20:07 |
| anidel | Jaffa: I read the thread as well.. but I also (and you were there) listened to Jussi stating the opposite clearly here in London | 20:07 |
| cehteh | there is prolly jtag too .. but iirc no one figured it out yet | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: obviously not :) | 20:07 |
| LuciusMare | omfg | 20:07 |
| Corsac | it was a rethorical question :) | 20:08 |
| Jaffa | anidel: When did Jussi state the opposite in London? onedotzero? | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: you didn't buy hardware, you bought a package :) | 20:08 |
| LuciusMare | So, this is a big piece of gold, bud locked in the licenses locks? | 20:08 |
| anidel | Jaffa: yes.. | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, interesting, that conflicts with what I heard at BCN. | 20:08 |
| Jaffa | anidel: I don't remember | 20:08 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: I got developer package without developer tools | 20:08 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Indeed, I'd be surprised | 20:08 |
| Jaffa | But lying to journalists is a bad idea | 20:08 |
| anidel | jaffa: he specifically said that Maemo 6 will support Multitouch and they don't want two devices with two different user experience to confuse people | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: so complain to whomever gave you the package, not here | 20:08 |
| hrw | I know | 20:09 |
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| anidel | jaffa: he said that answering to a guy who asked about Maemo 6 and N900 | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, perhaps the Maemo 6 device is also called "N900". | 20:09 |
| Jaffa | anidel: Ah, that rings a bell | 20:09 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Matan's pointed out they'll just call PR1.2 "Maemo 6" | 20:09 |
| Jaffa | i.e. pull a diablo | 20:09 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: i believe that if you offered value that nokia thought was useful, someone from nokia would be willing to share a solution | 20:09 |
| anidel | Jaffa: yup you just finished your talk and there were questions | 20:09 |
| Corsac | so Harmatan would be upgraded to maemo7? :) | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, at least Diablo had some feature upgrades. | 20:09 |
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| anidel | PR1.2 as Maemo 6? doubt it | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, PR1.2 doesn't look like it's going to have anything. | 20:09 |
| Jaffa | anidel: I finished my talk and shut down ;-) | 20:09 |
| LuciusMare | and, how come nobody actually found out yet? | 20:10 |
| timeless_mbp | i think konttori_nokia suggested calling pr 1.2 Maemo 5.2 | 20:10 |
| LuciusMare | the informations are left untold by nokia? | 20:10 |
| timeless_mbp | which of course leaves problems for the version numbering after that | 20:10 |
| anidel | Jaffa, :) yep.. he stepped up answering questions :) I recall that.. as I was very sad to hear it | 20:10 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Which'd seem eminently sensible and I can't imagine any reason why not. | 20:10 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: How so? | 20:10 |
| * Stskeeps gets out the popcorn | 20:10 | |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: 1.1/1.2 are 'minor' updates | 20:10 |
| timeless_mbp | there are some groups working on 'bigger' updates | 20:10 |
| timeless_mbp | which would naturally have been hypothetically numbered '2' | 20:10 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: 5.3, 5.4, 5.5, 5.6, 5.7 :-) | 20:11 |
| timeless_mbp | if you use 5.1 = 1.1, and 5.2 = 1.2 | 20:11 |
| timeless_mbp | then you get a problem when faced with '2' | 20:11 |
| zaheerm | timeless_mbp, can jump to 5.10 | 20:11 |
| Jaffa | PR 2.0 of Maemo 5? | 20:11 |
| Jaffa | 5.5 | 20:11 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 20:11 |
| LuciusMare | 13.37 | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only Nokia can make versioning this difficult. | 20:11 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: IMO, the problem isn't whether we get a major update or not; the real problem is that Nokia prevents us from doing our own updates when they stop | 20:11 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: not fair | 20:11 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Oh no, you should be here. | 20:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | apple, microsoft, and mozilla have all made versioning difficult | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder which manager came up with the PR scheme. | 20:12 |
| Jaffa | Multiple modules we want to version control separately; with versioning being time-based, but also indicating major/minor compatibility | 20:12 |
| timeless_mbp | MS Word, MS Excel, MS Office, MS Windows | 20:12 |
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| Caesium | Sun did a pretty good job with SunOS 5.8 == Solaris 8 as well | 20:12 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: just promise to shoot him :) | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I'm not consistently baffled by disagreements between multiple versioning systems for a single product with Apple. | 20:12 |
| timeless_mbp | Caesium: Solaris 2.6 ? | 20:12 |
| LuciusMare | namely the microsoft - Win 1.1,win 3.1,win 95,win 98, -- win 7 | 20:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I can't really speak to Microsoft. | 20:12 |
| Caesium | timeless_mbp: well most of the old ones I guess? :) | 20:12 |
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| Caesium | actually they're still doing it now, I'm sure on boot my Solaris 11 says "5.11" | 20:12 |
| ShadowJK | did I miss what's wrong with 2009.51-11 | 20:13 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: the version number there is meaningless | 20:13 |
| timeless_mbp | it's also incomplete | 20:13 |
| timeless_mbp | and wait till you see the next version number :) | 20:13 |
| timeless_mbp | and i don't mean a 1.1.1 | 20:13 |
| Caesium | 2.0? :p | 20:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | Caesium: some surprises are best left that way :) | 20:13 |
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| * timeless_mbp tries to remember the last time apple mucked w/ versionings | 20:14 | |
| timeless_mbp | there's 9 => X => X 10.1 | 20:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | which is at least slightly odd | 20:14 |
| LuciusMare | not really | 20:14 |
| LuciusMare | X=10 in romans | 20:14 |
| LuciusMare | isnt it? | 20:14 |
| timeless_mbp | iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3G s | 20:14 |
| Caesium | so now they're on 10 10.1? :) | 20:14 |
| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare: Mac OS 10 10.1 | 20:14 |
| hrw | ShadowJK: 2009.51-1 given to community != 2009.51-1 inside of nokia I think | 20:14 |
| anidel | I'll switch to the Zune Phone.. at least I know it will all be crap and if something good come along.. I'd be nicely surprised | 20:14 |
| LuciusMare | timeless_mbp: well | 20:14 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: actually, it is | 20:15 |
| LuciusMare | it shifted a bit, now it is just mac os x | 20:15 |
| LuciusMare | not 10 | 20:15 |
| Jaffa | hrw: Eh? 2.2009.51-1 is unique | 20:15 |
| timeless_mbp | 51-1 = 51-1 = 51-1 | 20:15 |
| timeless_mbp | ignoring the stupidity of operator variants | 20:15 |
| LuciusMare | haha | 20:15 |
| timeless_mbp | which shouldn't exist, but well, we have idiotic managers who think those are good ideas | 20:15 |
| timeless_mbp | i think we imported those from elsewhere in the company | 20:15 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: I though rather as 2009.51-1 as "first build in 51st week of 2009" | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | By the way, does anybody know if the Vodafone units flash easily to the public firmware? | 20:16 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: they **** well better | 20:16 |
| timeless_mbp | i think i convinced someone yesterday to flash w/ it | 20:16 |
| anidel | going home.. later guys | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, that was my opinion, too, but the thread on Talk never reached a conclusion before I started ignoring it. | 20:16 |
| timeless_mbp | and i didn't hear any complaints | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bye, anidel. | 20:16 |
| anidel | bye | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apparently the Voda firmware can't use Extras. | 20:16 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: dinner plans? | 20:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: oh, that's special | 20:17 |
| timeless_mbp | .... | 20:17 |
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| LuciusMare | anybody had tried porting audacity to maemo? | 20:18 |
| ShadowJK | like really can't use it? application catalogues disabled in app manager? | 20:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, no technically minded people seem to be working with the locked firmware | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | So dunno. | 20:19 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: It what?! | 20:20 |
| zaheerm | at least people can use flasher to flash a real firmware on it ::) | 20:20 |
| ShadowJK | maybe it's just not there by default | 20:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: i wonder if it had the 'do not use' checkbox checked :) | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: that was the question GeneralAntilles asked | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, could be FUD, but I dunno. | 20:20 |
| pierlux | now that pyclutter and pyclutter-gtk have releases, can we have (official) packages for them? | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | ?? | 20:20 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 20:21 |
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| * GeneralAntilles can't wait until Maemo 6 and GPLv2 combine for Tivoization. | 20:22 | |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders what Nokia is cooking up for Ovi paid authentication. | 20:23 | |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/texas-bank-sues-customer-hit-by-800000-cyber-heist/#more-756 | 20:23 |
| timeless_mbp | is awesome | 20:23 |
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| ShadowJK | generalantilles: look forward to operator locked phones with microb sans address bar and start page to special edition of BING locked to only search site:youroperator.com :))) | 20:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, love it. | 20:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, but it gets better, they actually REMOVE MicroB and install a Java WAP browser. | 20:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, that pixel doubles. | 20:26 |
| odin_ | WWHHAATT ?? | 20:26 |
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| cehteh | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaaksi/3993155950/ wow :) | 20:28 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: If it was me, I'd have a repo with a personalised URL and a generated Packages which contained only the apps where the signed in user had clicked "Download" (and, where necessary, paid) in the store. Maybe XORed with IMEI of device to prevent casual reuse of packages URLs. | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, yeah, that's a nice shot. | 20:28 |
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| cehteh | who needs mechanical shutters when you can readout the ccd line by line :P | 20:29 |
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| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: just landed @home | 20:30 |
| timeless_mbp | aww | 20:30 |
| timeless_mbp | short day or early day? | 20:30 |
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| zaheerm | Jaffa, sounds sensible | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | http://searchengineland.com/track-changes-to-any-web-page-with-google-reader-rss-not-required-34390 | 20:32 |
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| pupnik | that image got used in wikipedia | 20:34 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 20:34 |
| andres | annoyingly many files for every user though... | 20:35 |
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| glyph | is the author of the IRC conversations and contacts plugin around here? | 20:36 |
| lcuk | cehteh, thats a classy image, i bet ari was wondering what he just drank after taking that shot | 20:36 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/ravi-sawhney/design-reach/coca-colas-new-video-proves-happiness-viral | 20:36 |
| cehteh | lcuk: hehe .. show that to the flight attendant "Hey i think we have a problem" | 20:38 |
| Robot101 | glyph: he's not, but he works at Collabora, what's the q? | 20:38 |
| RST38h | Comes With Music ROP: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/26/nokia_x6_version_two/ | 20:38 |
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| RST38h | s/ROP/RIP | 20:38 |
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| javispedro | heh | 20:39 |
| RST38h | EHLO javispedro | 20:40 |
| glyph | Robot101: well, I got it from the extras-devel repository, and that means it's supposed to work perfectly, right? but it doesn't, so I'm very mad ;-) | 20:40 |
| javispedro | moo RST | 20:40 |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; is it possible to get a "no updates" message in your English language pack without seeing it before the scan starts? (I guess not as you don't have any message at all) | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | right | 20:40 |
| glyph | Robot101: I used it to connect to my IRC proxy, and it somewhat unhelpfully PARTed from all the channels that I was present in. | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | it's used afaiu as a static | 20:40 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: early | 20:40 |
| RST38h | BTW, the Android-running version of HTC HD2 has been leaked. | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | i've found all of those statics to be useless | 20:41 |
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| RST38h | That is a 4.3" 800x480 phone. | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | and basically run around removing them | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | my replacement is a single space :) | 20:41 |
| * Trizt nods | 20:41 | |
| glyph | Robot101: It would be nice if it could just ignore any JOIN or NAMES responses, so that I could receive PRIVMSGs on my phone to the same account where I'm logged in here | 20:41 |
| lcuk | glyph, errrr... "extras-devel" is the basic development repository. | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | glyph, just get XChat. | 20:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | Trizt: if a user can't figure out that an empty screen means "there's nothing here" | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | then i'm sorry | 20:41 |
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| Trizt | timeless_mbp; it's better this way IMHO, but I hope it could be with a end message | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | but if a user sees "there's nothing here" | 20:42 |
| Robot101 | glyph: the UIs don't support group chat yet, so it will behave weirdly with them at the moment | 20:42 |
| javispedro | RST38h: just two months after the CEO himself said "no"? would be nice :) | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | and it turns out that later there is something here | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | then that's bad | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | which reminds me | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't remember if i fixed hildon-desktop | 20:42 |
| glyph | GeneralAntilles: I'm already using Pidgin for IRC, and I'm fairly happy with it. And I hope it was clear from my initial comment that I did not really expect it to work :). I'm just offering feedback. | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | sometimes it'll say "no applications" or something | 20:42 |
| glyph | Robot101: Right. I'm just saying, ignoring group-chat-related messages is better than actively PARTing | 20:42 |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; I had a similar problem with my bosses dad today, so had to make application to give an error message instead of generating an empty pdf for him. Just thought it had looked a bit nicer | 20:43 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 20:43 | |
| timeless_mbp | i understand why they did what they did | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | but done wrong, a message is much much worse than no message | 20:43 |
| * Trizt agrees | 20:44 | |
| timeless_mbp | people will read a message before they look for animated throbbers | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | not seeing a message, an animation will stand out | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: thanks for the url | 20:44 |
| Robot101 | glyph: also the interaction between idle and IRC proxies is known to not be ideal | 20:45 |
| glyph | Robot101: what do you mean? | 20:45 |
| glyph | Robot101: bip seems to support IDLE requests just fine | 20:46 |
| Robot101 | idle is the name of the telepathy backend | 20:46 |
| Robot101 | for IRC | 20:46 |
| glyph | Oh, heh | 20:46 |
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| * pierlux gables | 20:47 | |
| glyph | well, a data point from me: it worked perfectly except for parting all of my channels :) | 20:47 |
| pierlux | *giggles | 20:47 |
| glyph | maybe I'll just grab telepathy-python and write my own IRC backend with Twisted | 20:47 |
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| glyph | what makes a conversation plugin beyond a telepathy connection manager? | 20:48 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 20:48 | |
| timeless_mbp | "No events or tasks" ? | 20:48 |
| * timeless_mbp tries to imagine how that could be a remotely useful message | 20:48 | |
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| timeless_mbp | Trizt: speaking of which | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | open calendar | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're in month view, tap a square that has no bits in it | 20:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you're in some other view, switch to month view | 20:49 |
| Trizt | okey | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i believe i'm 30s away from dropping No events or tasks | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | but you have 2mins to defend it :) | 20:49 |
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| spectre- | 3rd power outage tonight | 20:50 |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; I think it's a good message to show | 20:50 |
| spectre- | nonsense ;/ | 20:50 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: grumble | 20:51 |
| timeless_mbp | my style drops it | 20:51 |
| Trizt | it's in place, but you can also understadn there is no events if it's empty too | 20:51 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 20:51 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm going to drop it | 20:51 |
| timeless_mbp | if someone complains in the next update, i can put it back | 20:51 |
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| Trizt | thinking here, it may be better looking even in the default theme | 20:51 |
| * Trizt won't | 20:52 | |
| timeless_mbp | "No viewer found for this attachment" | 20:52 |
| timeless_mbp | is a fun error message | 20:52 |
| timeless_mbp | and yes, i have seen it | 20:52 |
| Trizt | something I miss in the calendar is the week numbers, I hope that would be added someday | 20:54 |
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| johnsQ | Hi | 20:57 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: Well, his marketing department probably had to do some attitude adjustment =) | 21:00 |
| RST38h | javispedro: on their CEO I mean | 21:00 |
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| javispedro | and on their microsoft contact, if what the CEO said is to be believed... | 21:01 |
| RST38h | I doubt their ms contract is that binding... | 21:01 |
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| LuciusMare | hey | 21:02 |
| LuciusMare | i have an app, that i would like to have on maemo, is just compiling it in the scratchbox (and all the things) enough or do i have to edit the code by some way? | 21:03 |
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| Jaffa | LuciusMare: Depends on the app | 21:03 |
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| LuciusMare | Jaffa: it is a download manager | 21:03 |
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| LuciusMare | written in c++,its called fatrat: http://fatrat.dolezel.info/ | 21:04 |
| pierlux | is there a spanish translator in the room? :) http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/map-buddy/c/UI/ | 21:04 |
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| javispedro | oh, source file | 21:06 |
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| javispedro | pierlux: I can | 21:07 |
| javispedro | ... I guess "Map Buddy" itself shouldn't be translatable | 21:08 |
| pierlux | javispedro, no :) | 21:08 |
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| LuciusMare | haha | 21:08 |
| pierlux | well it wasn't in anyother translation | 21:08 |
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| javispedro | ../src/main.c:62 :P | 21:09 |
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| LuserN800 | talking about download manager, jdownloader would be good. apart from java.. | 21:14 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: those people that don't like scrolling shutter artifacts? | 21:14 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm taking bids on when the first discussion happens on maemo-developers if 'free' means free as in FSF free or free as in open source. | 21:15 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: well, its interesting, funny, artistic ... but its not accurate :) | 21:15 |
| LuserN800 | I hope not. really. | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | as in, free in extras-devel | 21:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 21:16 |
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| * SpeedEvil ponders little rotatable telescope lens for the thicker battery cover | 21:16 | |
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| * LuserN800 goes to extras-devel anxiously | 21:17 | |
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| Stskeeps | evening matanZ | 21:17 |
| terrybogardn900 | hey?? | 21:18 |
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| terrybogardn900 | can someone help me please? | 21:18 |
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| terrybogardn900 | im reading a guide to add/integrate facebook and it says to create a symlink | 21:19 |
| terrybogardn900 | the symlink command doesnt appear to work?! | 21:19 |
| * SpeedEvil is unconvinced operator variants - done right - are a bad idea. | 21:19 | |
| SpeedEvil | Where done right is 'has a little desktop widget showing what the operator thinks you've used in terms of data transfer, and other similar conveniences.' | 21:20 |
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| LuciusMare | so, in case i would want to port an app, what would i have to edit? | 21:20 |
| LuserN800 | Stskeeps, in fact by omitting /usr/share/doc/ I realize that license file is usually missing. Never looked in detail. which package is in free with a non-free license? | 21:21 |
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| hrw | re | 21:22 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: timeless_mbp: How nasty is it to add a .desktop in the "Desktop" category for a "Catorise donation"? ;) | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, pretty goddamn nasty. | 21:23 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 21:23 |
| timeless_mbp | add it to the Ovi category | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, unless tapping it uninstalls it. | 21:24 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: teehee | 21:24 |
| LuciusMare | aw | 21:24 |
| LuciusMare | "android interacts over serial with arduino" | 21:24 |
| LuciusMare | :( | 21:24 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Thought so. Was inestigating link donatiosn for X-Maemo-Suggested-Donations | 21:25 |
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| LuciusMare | Nothing simmiliar possible with maemo (ergo with n900?) | 21:28 |
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| Anidel | didn't know Mauku is not open source | 21:31 |
| LuciusMare | urgh | 21:31 |
| LuciusMare | Mplayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: unknown | 21:31 |
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| Stskeeps | Anidel: i just posted my opinion on the matter | 21:32 |
| Anidel | seg fault | 21:32 |
| LuciusMare | great,then | 21:32 |
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| * LuciusMare uninstalls mplayer | 21:32 | |
| Anidel | Stskeeps, i know | 21:32 |
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| pierlux | javispedro, multicimas gratias :) | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anidel, it was "opened" a while ago. | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anidel, I don't get what his issue is with having a real open source license is, though. | 21:33 |
| LuciusMare | aw, it segfaults every time i try to run everything | 21:33 |
| Anidel | GeneralAntilles, i don't follow all the bugs | 21:33 |
| LuserN800 | I miss sort by date in repository view in a browser. or an intelligent numerical sort.. not alphabetical | 21:33 |
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| Anidel | GeneralAntilles, his = ? | 21:34 |
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| lcuk | Anidel, february 4th, push party are you comin? | 21:34 |
| Anidel | lcuk, where ? | 21:34 |
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| Anidel | where = where in reality and where on the web ? | 21:35 |
| lcuk | i dunno about proper invites, lemme see if i can find out for you | 21:35 |
| Anidel | GeneralAntilles, who is "his" ? Stskeeps or Henry? | 21:35 |
| lcuk | its the one with the pole dancing robots | 21:35 |
| Anidel | lcuk, thanks... that'd be cool :) ah I saw the tweet | 21:35 |
| Jaffa | I saw a tweet | 21:36 |
| Anidel | yep | 21:36 |
| LuciusMare | Could anyone help me,please? | 21:36 |
| LuciusMare | You will get rid of me, at least for a few days | 21:36 |
| Anidel | eheh what's the issue ? MPlayer? did you say you were removing it ? | 21:36 |
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| LuciusMare | well | 21:36 |
| LuciusMare | i guess that if it segfaults every time, no need for it to bulk up space | 21:37 |
| LuciusMare | every time i try to play something ,i get "Mplayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: unknown" | 21:37 |
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| Anidel | it doesn't everytime .. unless there's a bug with a specific codec that triggers it . | 21:38 |
| * lcuk finally feels normal | 21:38 | |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps speaks sense on the Mauku issue | 21:38 |
| LuciusMare | i tried mp3,ogg,flac,avi,ogv and at last mpg and mp4 - error 11 | 21:38 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, jaffa, link | 21:38 |
| Anidel | lcuk, oh that's something :) | 21:38 |
| lcuk | Anidel, i had a migraine earlier | 21:38 |
| lcuk | and my tea has stayed down | 21:38 |
| Anidel | lcuk, latest e-mail on maemo-developers | 21:38 |
| lcuk | is it too much to ask for the maemo weekly news to be live ;) | 21:39 |
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| LuciusMare | i apt-get installed the version in repos | 21:39 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: yeah, but you'd have to wait until next Monday (or follow the Twitter "firehose") | 21:40 |
| lcuk | isnt the firehose slashdots | 21:40 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: I may try and get a manual isussue out in the next week or so | 21:40 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: indeed | 21:40 |
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| lcuk | jaffa :D a manual issue would be cool, a proof of concept and would help iron out issues with formatting and presentation | 21:41 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: yeah, I know | 21:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anidel, hhedberg | 21:44 |
| Anidel | yep.. so ? | 21:45 |
| Anidel | ah sorry | 21:45 |
| Anidel | :) | 21:45 |
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| dexen | hello | 21:50 |
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| dexen | question; is there a reasonable way to define own `photo sharing service' for n900? | 21:50 |
| dexen | as in, own upload destination? | 21:50 |
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| pH5 | dexen: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Data_Sharing/Sharing_Plug-in | 21:52 |
| dexen | t/y pH5 | 21:52 |
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| dexen | so basically it's gotta be executable code, right? | 21:54 |
| dexen | no way to just hack together a bunch of config files/scripts? | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | you're welcome to make a python loader for it | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | or something | 21:54 |
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| dexen | yay an actual joke :P | 21:55 |
| * w00t wanders in | 21:55 | |
| w00t | how are we all this fine evening | 21:55 |
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| dexen | doing better, t/y w00t | 21:59 |
| w00t | :) | 21:59 |
| dexen | you? | 21:59 |
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| dexen | you got a spare battery yet, w00t? | 22:00 |
| w00t | dexen: negative | 22:00 |
| w00t | I don't need it really | 22:00 |
| dexen | how long does your last? | 22:01 |
| w00t | depends on usage pattern | 22:01 |
| w00t | if I'm using it heavily, one day | 22:01 |
| w00t | so I charge while I sleep | 22:01 |
| w00t | if I'm not using it much, 2-3 days, most I've had was about 1.5-2 weeks with very very infrequent wifi use and nothing else | 22:01 |
| dexen | o | 22:01 |
| dexen | srsly, 1.5 week? | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Wow. 2 weeks without sleep! | 22:02 |
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| red | is there any way to make the n900 play music for say 20 minutes and then stop? | 22:05 |
| red | like for sleep music | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | there's a sleep timer app | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 22:05 |
| LuserN800 | ah I see new things on planet.debian.net :) | 22:05 |
| lcuk | red, change your startup video for a 20minute clip | 22:05 |
| red | ill search | 22:05 |
| red | lcuk: rofl | 22:05 |
| SpeedEvil | mplayer *mp3& | 22:05 |
| SpeedEvil | sleep 1200;killall mplayer | 22:05 |
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| im2 | hi all,I am not able to compile source code contaning header file #include <alarmd/alarm_event.h> from scratchbox. I am using this command to compile "gcc alarm.c `pkg-config libalarm-dev --cflags --libs` -o alarm" | 22:06 |
| LuciusMare | so, what with the mplayer? | 22:06 |
| terrybogardn900 | sorry has anyone managed to get the facebook integration mentioned here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39331&page=3 to work??? | 22:06 |
| LuciusMare | nobody knows anything what to do with that? | 22:06 |
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| RST38h | what is facebook? | 22:09 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 22:09 |
| red | i add the sleeper oln desktop but it doesnt appear | 22:09 |
| red | guess its bork | 22:09 |
| terrybogardn900 | facebook is the worlds most popular social networking site | 22:09 |
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| RST38h | never heard of it | 22:10 |
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| terrybogardn900 | really?!? thats a shame theres some nokia n900 groups on there... | 22:11 |
| javispedro | n900 haters no doubt. | 22:11 |
| ScribbleJ | I /just/ got an N900. | 22:12 |
| ScribbleJ | We are in the honeymoon period; I am in love. | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | ScribbleJ: congrats with your new companion! | 22:12 |
| terrybogardn900 | fair share either way... some will forever be brainwashed by the iphone... and its simple user friendly interface | 22:12 |
| wazd | RST38h: re heya | 22:12 |
| terrybogardn900 | i like the fact n900 is so customizable.. im just confused by all the linux commands... i only know the basics | 22:13 |
| ScribbleJ | I am a linux developer by day, so the n900 being linux is like a dream come true. | 22:13 |
| ScribbleJ | I mean, I develop things using linux, not that I hack on the kernel | 22:14 |
| terrybogardn900 | i managed to change all my notification lights to purple! :) | 22:14 |
| ScribbleJ | Haaa, cute. | 22:14 |
| lcuk | ScribbleJ, thats not love. its lust | 22:14 |
| lcuk | love comes after many romantic dinners | 22:14 |
| ScribbleJ | OK, yes, I lusted for my N900. | 22:14 |
| ScribbleJ | She made me pay though. | 22:14 |
| lcuk | all the best women do | 22:15 |
| ScribbleJ | I just spent $200 getting out of my AT&T contract that had one month left. | 22:15 |
| terrybogardn900 | now im gonna try making the theme/ interface purple! | 22:15 |
| ScribbleJ | So much for timing. | 22:15 |
| mtnbkr | ScribbleJ: heh I'm a *nux sysadmin and LOVE being able to ssh into my phone. :) | 22:15 |
| lcuk | mtnbkr, ssh out of it is just as good | 22:15 |
| ScribbleJ | mtnbkr, yes, I love being able to use my phone to openvpn + ssh into my production networks. | 22:15 |
| mtnbkr | ScribbleJ: I am waiting for AT&T to break their contract with me (changing to pay per data bytes) then I will move - for free :) | 22:16 |
| ScribbleJ | Niggling complaint about the existing openvpn widget thingy though, it crashes if you use an excrypted key that needs a passphrase. | 22:16 |
| mtnbkr | lcuk: oh yeah.. that was acually the FIRST app I installed | 22:16 |
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| ScribbleJ | So I have to start openvpn from the command-line to be successful. | 22:16 |
| lcuk | ScribbleJ, mtnbkr terrybogardn900 any other new users, please add your voice here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36800 | 22:16 |
| ScribbleJ | Small price to pay. | 22:16 |
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| ScribbleJ | lcuk | 22:17 |
| ScribbleJ | Give me a day or two, then I'll have a blown away day. | 22:17 |
| ScribbleJ | I'm integrating a bluetooth credit card swiper to my N900. I'll post about that. | 22:17 |
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| mtnbkr | ScribbleJ: heh I just installe dhte openvpn stuff on the phone but currently don't havea need for it. I use public/private ket ssh login to my workstation openVPN is on my list of "to play withs" though | 22:17 |
| lcuk | neat! | 22:17 |
| ScribbleJ | mtnbkr, when you need a vpn instead of just ssh, I highly recommend openvpn. | 22:18 |
| mtnbkr | yep. And my firewall already support it when I get around to enabling/configuring it ;) | 22:18 |
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| ScribbleJ | Noice; OpenWRT? | 22:19 |
| ScribbleJ | I'm a little sad about the paritioning scheme on the N900... I'm sure soon I will find a page with people's recommendations for dealing with it. | 22:20 |
| mtnbkr | ScribbleJ: No, I use DD-WRT on my lynksys wrt54GL wireless AP, and a combination of m0n0wall and pfsense on ALIX boards. ;) | 22:20 |
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| slonopotamus | ScribbleJ, everyone is sad with it :) | 22:21 |
| ScribbleJ | OH! That reminds me, my number one question(s) - is it OK to set a password on user so I can ssh in as him instead of root, and maybe use something like x2x? | 22:21 |
| ScribbleJ | I've been meaning to get into pfsense; the new netowrking kid at the office wants to use it there. It sounds nice. | 22:21 |
| mtnbkr | ScribbleJ: when you install the opessh server it forces you to set a password | 22:21 |
| ScribbleJ | mtnbkr, on root, but I want to set it on user. | 22:21 |
| mtnbkr | ScribbleJ: the kid is smart. pfsense is awesome - based on m0n0wall's initial ideas and also runs on FreeBSD | 22:22 |
| ScribbleJ | In fact i'd prefer to unset it on root entirerly and only log in as user... | 22:22 |
| ScribbleJ | mtnbkr, you have no idea, this kid is awesome. He's only 20 and he kicks ass. | 22:22 |
| mtnbkr | heh I need to hire a couple of THOSE. | 22:23 |
| ScribbleJ | Makes me feel fucking ancient at 34 though; he has known linux his whole life! | 22:23 |
| mtnbkr | ScribbleJ: heh... all the kids I know/meet only know windows windows windows (oh and Xbox lol) I need someone with some Linux skills to back me up. :) | 22:24 |
| mtnbkr | ScribbleJ: try being 44 lol | 22:24 |
| ScribbleJ | mtnbkr, that's my 10-year plan. | 22:24 |
| mtnbkr | sounds like a solid plan | 22:24 |
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| Arkenoi | ussd widget update erased all my settings :-( | 22:25 |
| Arkenoi | i had custom regexp there | 22:25 |
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| * mtnbkr wonders if he can host a bzflag server on his N900 | 22:27 | |
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| mtnbkr | Ok, I keep hearing about using the IR for TV remote and Skype for Ip phone calls... where can I find these two apps? | 22:28 |
| ShadowJK | skype is built-in | 22:28 |
| ShadowJK | Settings -> Voip and IM accounts | 22:28 |
| * mtnbkr facepalms | 22:29 | |
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| mtnbkr | SIP too huh? I guess it is high time for me to finally build my asterix server. ;) | 22:29 |
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| toggles_w | mtnbkr: don't bother, use the gizmo | 22:30 |
| kuriiri | heh | 22:31 |
| kuriiri | someone is ranting about the virtual kb in the forum also :D | 22:32 |
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| ScribbleJ | I saw there is an asterisk you can install on the phone, which is neat but not especially practical. | 22:35 |
| ScribbleJ | I wrote a speech recognition engine for Asterisk a year ago but have been terrible about maintining it. | 22:36 |
| ScribbleJ | Which is to say, I wrote it, submitted it to Asterisk, and that was about it. | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | what sotr of speech | 22:36 |
| ScribbleJ | You know, like an IVR; you call in to an ASterisk box, say "pay a bill" and it recognizes that you said "pay a bill" | 22:36 |
| ScribbleJ | Or, ordering a pizza is the classic demo. | 22:36 |
| ScribbleJ | I had a demo server up you could call but it's been offline since I did some upgrades last month. | 22:37 |
| SpeedEvil | So smal vocab | 22:37 |
| SpeedEvil | useful | 22:37 |
| ScribbleJ | Customizable, there's no real limit on the vocab size. | 22:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | speaker dep? | 22:37 |
| ScribbleJ | YOu do have to define the vocab in advance though, so you have to know what they will say. | 22:37 |
| mtnbkr | kuriiri: ranting or complaining? re: virtual k/b | 22:38 |
| ScribbleJ | Yes and no, how well it works depends on the speech you train the system with; I was using a public domain coprus and it worked OK, but someone paying to get a lot of text read at it could improve performance a lot. | 22:38 |
| mtnbkr | hmmm didn't skype used to be free? | 22:38 |
| ScribbleJ | It was basically the CMU Sphinx speech recognition system, which incidentally -- pocketpshinx shoudl be dead easy to port to the N900, I might do it if no one has already, for voice recognition on the phone? | 22:39 |
| kuriiri | mtnbkr: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42326 =) | 22:39 |
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| mtnbkr | lol I agree with some of that - especially the shift lock "feature" Now if I could get my virtual keyboard to appear CONSISTENTLY I'd be a little happier about it: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8377 | 22:41 |
| povbot` | Bug 8377: On-screen keyboard does not always appear when it should | 22:41 |
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| lardman | ScribbleJ: is in extras-devel | 22:41 |
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| lardman | or was last time I pushed a few months ago ;) | 22:41 |
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| ScribbleJ | pocketsphinx is? | 22:41 |
| ScribbleJ | That's awesome. | 22:41 |
| lardman | yes | 22:41 |
| ScribbleJ | Saves me the trouble! | 22:41 |
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| ScribbleJ | Heheh | 22:41 |
| lardman | and flite | 22:41 |
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| ScribbleJ | Coo, they go well together. | 22:41 |
| ScribbleJ | What about vlc, is that somewhere? I'm dying for it. | 22:42 |
| lardman | pocketsphinx is actually too large for the uploaded | 22:42 |
| lardman | uploader | 22:42 |
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| im2 | hi all,I am not able to compile source code contaning header file #include <alarmd/alarm_event.h> from scratchbox. I am using this command to compile "gcc alarm.c `pkg-config libalarm-dev --cflags --libs` -o alarm" | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | did you apt-get instal libalarm-dev? | 22:44 |
| im2 | Stskeeps: yes, i have installed that package | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | im2: could you pastebin.com me dpkg -L libalarm-dev ? | 22:45 |
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| ScribbleJ | ssh 10.250.250.70 | 22:45 |
| ScribbleJ | Doh, sorry | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | Password: | 22:45 |
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| ScribbleJ | Yeah, hah, good thing I didn't just keep typing. | 22:46 |
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| mikhas | Stskeeps would make a good honeypotd =) | 22:46 |
| lardman | im2: does pkg-config libalarm-dev --cflags --libs produce what you expect? | 22:46 |
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| im2 | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/m7d39e3f4 | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | im2: you should do pkg-config alarm --cflags -libs | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | it looks like | 22:47 |
| lardman | yes | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | im2: report that as a bug to the forum nokia people | 22:47 |
| lardman | also odd that alarm-dev supplies the .so file isn't it? | 22:48 |
| Arkenoi | so could anyone tell me how to select first line only using python regexp again? i've lost it with ussd widget upgrade :-( | 22:49 |
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| im2 | Stskeeps: i didnt understand what bug you are talking about | 22:50 |
| ScribbleJ | s/([^\n]+)/s ... dunno python. | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | im2: you based this off a forum.nokia.com page right? | 22:50 |
| im2 | Stskeeps: yes | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | im2: that page contains a problem. it should be pkg-config alarm --cflags --libs, not libalarm-dev | 22:51 |
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| lardman | does libalarm exist? | 22:52 |
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| im2 | Stskeeps: pkg-config alarm --cflags --libs is also not working:-( | 22:53 |
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| lardman | move the alarm after the --cflags etc | 22:53 |
| im2 | lardman: ok | 22:53 |
| lardman | just run the command in the term and see if it works | 22:54 |
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| LuciusMare | so, you just apt-get installed the mplayer and "mplayer <file>"d, and it all worked? | 22:57 |
| im2 | lardman: not working | 22:57 |
| lardman | what's the message? Pastebin the whole command and output | 22:57 |
| LuciusMare | lardman: i guess you are not talking with me... | 22:58 |
| im2 | lardman: http://pastebin.com/m34f2ab66 | 22:58 |
| LuciusMare | and i guess right :D | 22:58 |
| lardman | LuciusMare: sorry, did I miss something? | 22:59 |
| LuciusMare | not at all, nevermind | 22:59 |
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| lardman | im2: run this in the term: pkg-config --cflags --libs alarm | 23:00 |
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| lardman | LuciusMare: was it a pm? This client is crap and sometimes doens't show them; if so sorry | 23:00 |
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| lardman | ah, CSI, bbl :) | 23:02 |
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| pupnik_ | i love gpodder | 23:03 |
| DevXavier | The requested URL /downloads/product/OS2008/drnoksnes/ could not be found on this server? | 23:03 |
| henkie- | it is possible to only check email when connected to a particular wlan-ap ? | 23:04 |
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| im2 | lardman|afk: http://pastebin.com/m71387937 | 23:04 |
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| henkie- | old nokia can do it, but I am unable to find this feature | 23:05 |
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| * ShadowJK doesn't remember if it was possible on maemo4 | 23:05 | |
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| henkie- | used it on my E65. I dont want to 'leak' my internal hostnames on other networks | 23:06 |
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| pupnik_ | mediabox does not give me real directory contents | 23:07 |
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| paul42 | Hi | 23:07 |
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| paul42 | I'm using ScummVM. No sound at all (with any game). Looks like a pulseaudio mess. How can I figure out what's wrong? | 23:15 |
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| paul42 | Any way to know if scummvm plays sound through pulseaudio? | 23:15 |
| * GeneralAntilles facepalms at -developers. | 23:16 | |
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| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: ? | 23:21 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: you'd like this particular thread | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, you'll love this one. | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, whore. | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-January/024152.html | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, getting the link and you steal my comment out from under me. :P | 23:22 |
| luke-jr | people waking up finally? :P | 23:22 |
| paul42 | How can I stop pulseaudio? | 23:23 |
| paul42 | I can kill it, but sound like there is a respawn somewhere | 23:23 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: well, this is about community repositories, not the nokian ones | 23:24 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: so basically someone's trying to redefine 'free' as a very loose 'open'? how does *that* make *any* sense? | 23:24 |
| luke-jr | if it's open vs closed, it should be open and closed, not free and non-free | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: i think it's basically that intended practice weakened | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, open / closed would be a better term | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | depending if that was the policy that should be sed | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | used | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | but then people start wondering what open means | 23:25 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw | 23:25 |
| timeless_mbp | re mauku | 23:25 |
| luke-jr | tbh, I very much prefer Gentoo's method | 23:25 |
| timeless_mbp | we used it internally for a bit | 23:25 |
| timeless_mbp | but the author disappeared | 23:26 |
| luke-jr | throw everything in a common namespace and let the users mask by license | 23:26 |
| timeless_mbp | so we're dropping it | 23:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, explanation in that thread. | 23:26 |
| luke-jr | my systems are all configured to prevent installs of programs whose licenses I have not explicitly accepted | 23:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, apparently he blames Maemo and maemo.org | 23:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-January/thread.html#24152 | 23:27 |
| timeless_mbp | is pipermail threading totally screwed? | 23:27 |
| paul42 | ok, just "stop pulseaudio" | 23:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | " P.S. I have been very busy lately, and I have had to make decisions how to spend my time. Unfortunately, the confusion and unreadiness of Maemo (and maemo.org) software distribution channels was one reason why I have dropped the priority of Mauku project. Those essential building blocks should be in good shape in order to attract developers (both open source and commercial), but unfortunately that is not the case here no | 23:28 |
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| ScribbleJ | Well, I can't disagree that maemo.org is less than great to browse. | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wasn't Mauku a freaking Fremantle Star, too? | 23:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That program failed utterly. | 23:29 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: i believe so | 23:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Half the developers just dropped off the face of the earth. | 23:30 |
| paul42 | I can't hear audio when it's from Alsa | 23:30 |
| jebba | how do you tell when a second call comes in and how do you switch over? | 23:31 |
| paul42 | aplay foo.wav works (no error) but no sound | 23:31 |
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| * RST38h wonders who remembers Fremantle Stars still | 23:31 | |
| RST38h | General: But the Mauku guy is right: the current Extras situation is a clusterfuck. | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yes, we're all very aware of your opinion. | 23:33 |
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| mikhas | =) | 23:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: does promotion work equally well (poorly) for non-free? | 23:33 |
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| mikhas | well, so one question is: how to keep an app maintained once it hits extra? | 23:34 |
| mikhas | extras* | 23:34 |
| mikhas | developers are still free to walk away from their apps | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | free as in speech or beer? | 23:35 |
| mikhas | free, just free | 23:35 |
| mikhas | like, you can't prevent from happening. you can only prepare against it. or so. | 23:36 |
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| henkie- | if i enter a wrong code in the settings menu few times will it disable my sim or device? | 23:37 |
| ScribbleJ | IT will give you a shock of 10,000 volts through the reciever. | 23:37 |
| henkie- | in the "change lock code" entry? | 23:37 |
| henkie- | hehe | 23:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | God I love Talk. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=495802&postcount=4 | 23:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, where are those wiki pages. . . . | 23:38 |
| timeless_mbp | henkie-: the sim card is basically its own computer | 23:41 |
| timeless_mbp | and it's paranoid | 23:41 |
| timeless_mbp | if it thinks you're attacking it, it will shut down | 23:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's not yours, you're just someone it might think it is willing to talk to | 23:42 |
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| RST38h | General: I am afraid it is no longer just my opinion. | 23:42 |
| RST38h | But yes, crystal balls come with a few perks. | 23:42 |
| paul42 | Are Alsa applications supposed to work on Maemo? | 23:43 |
| henkie- | timeless_mbp, I was afraid for that :) It is not clear which code i have to enter, the code of the nokia (which i tried, and the code of my sim) | 23:43 |
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| mikhas | paul42, if you mean: "am I allowed to bypass PA?", then the answer is no. | 23:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | so | 23:44 |
| timeless_mbp | henkie-: first, which language is your n900 speaking? | 23:44 |
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| paul42 | mikhas: I don't want to bypass PA. It's just that I've seen that the Alsa driver is pulseaudio. I'm trying to use Alsa application, no error (they found the pulseaudio "soundcard"), but there's no sound | 23:45 |
| henkie- | hehe, Dutch all the way (even the linux apps :(( ) | 23:45 |
| henkie- | kind of freaked out when wget was 'talking' in dutch | 23:45 |
| timeless_mbp | henkie-: so... | 23:46 |
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| henkie- | timeless_mbp, yes? | 23:48 |
| timeless_mbp | you'd have to tell me exactly which items you interacted with | 23:49 |
| timeless_mbp | and the exact dutch strings | 23:49 |
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| henkie- | timeless_mbp, I see, "Instellingen" i clicked on that. Clicked on "Voer de code voor het ontgrendelen van ..." test of the text if off the screen | 23:50 |
| henkie- | "Voer de code voor het ontgrendelen van de SIM-kaart in" | 23:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | please hold | 23:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm watching tv and grepping is hard | 23:51 |
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| henkie- | After which I tried my pinnumber (didnt work) and I tried "12345" default code (I think) | 23:51 |
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| ScribbleJ | Dumb question - is there a way to get iptables on my N900 short of rolling my own kernel? | 23:51 |
| henkie- | # echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): | 23:51 |
| henkie- | root:12345: | 23:51 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so Instellingen is 'options' or 'settings' or perhaps control panel | 23:52 |
| henkie- | did this from a forum, in case it was already set | 23:52 |
| henkie- | yes Instellingen is settings | 23:52 |
| henkie- | topbar in the settings menu | 23:52 |
| timeless_mbp | the full string was | 23:52 |
| timeless_mbp | Voer de code voor het ontgrendelen van de SIM-kaart in | 23:52 |
| timeless_mbp | it does have 'SIM' in the string | 23:52 |
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| henkie- | yes it does | 23:53 |
| timeless_mbp | "Enter SIM Unlock code" | 23:53 |
| cehteh | woot the lockcode is not hashed? | 23:53 |
| henkie- | indeed | 23:53 |
| timeless_mbp | is my translation | 23:53 |
| henkie- | correct, mine also | 23:53 |
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| henkie- | cehteh, not the default one i guess, the "root:" part comes from the echo | 23:53 |
| timeless_mbp | a sim unlock code | 23:54 |
| timeless_mbp | isn't the same as the sim pin | 23:54 |
| timeless_mbp | at least, i don't think it is | 23:54 |
| cpscotti | hey.. anyone with hardcore experience on pygtk? or gtk? my buttons/widgets are messed up.. | 23:54 |
| cpscotti | but only when in pygtk | 23:54 |
| cpscotti | seems to have started after installing releft theme | 23:54 |
| timeless_mbp | henkie-: err | 23:55 |
| timeless_mbp | WTF | 23:55 |
| cehteh | yeah you should have another code for your sim to unlock it .. supplied by your carrier | 23:55 |
| timeless_mbp | the rest of the text didn't fit on your screen? | 23:55 |
| henkie- | timeless_mbp, I used to have set a code like that, but i recently got a new simcard, and i am pretty sure I didnt set it on the new one | 23:55 |
| LuserN800 | puk? | 23:55 |
| timeless_mbp | henkie-: so um | 23:55 |
| timeless_mbp | ctrl-shift-p takes a screen shot | 23:55 |
| henkie- | timeless_mbp, not in the bar above, but in the next screen it gave the same (full) text I assume | 23:55 |
| timeless_mbp | can you get back to the view where you saw "Voer de code voor het ontgrendelen van ..." | 23:55 |
| timeless_mbp | henkie-: the problem with this string, is that if it's what i think it is | 23:56 |
| timeless_mbp | 99.9% of the engineers never see it | 23:56 |
| timeless_mbp | because we don't get locked phones... | 23:56 |
| henkie- | where will it save the screenshot? | 23:56 |
| timeless_mbp | don't worry | 23:57 |
| timeless_mbp | hold | 23:57 |
| henkie- | my phone should be unlocked | 23:57 |
| henkie- | with regards to my provider i mean | 23:57 |
| timeless_mbp | open "Foto's" | 23:57 |
| timeless_mbp | the last thing in the view should be the screen shot | 23:58 |
| dotblank | Hmm anyone use Google Voice with the n900 and use skype? | 23:58 |
| * timeless_mbp | 23:58 | |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 23:58 |
| timeless_mbp | no, not me | 23:59 |
| * timeless_mbp uses GoogleTalk and Skype | 23:59 | |
| henkie- | no screenshot present, maybe I must install a program first? | 23:59 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 23:59 |
| timeless_mbp | try ctrl-shift-p again :) | 23:59 |
| mikhas | press harder. | 23:59 |
| timeless_mbp | it really should work | 23:59 |
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