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| Gadgetoid_N810 | The N810 needs a jog dial, everything should have a jog dial | 00:02 |
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| Gadgetoid_N810 | You should be able to buy USB jog dials for netbooks | 00:02 |
| Gadgetoid_N810 | qwerty12_N810, Apple routers <3 <3 | 00:05 |
| Gadgetoid_N810 | apart from the lack of dyndns support | 00:06 |
| * javispedro grabs wiimote, grabs tablet, and starts googling... | 00:07 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Gadgetoid_N810: Heh, thanks, I don't use dyndns, so I'll be OK on that front.. :) | 00:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Last router I had liked to restart too. At least there was a logic behind that one's restarting... | 00:08 |
| Gadgetoid_N810 | d-link are all right I think | 00:08 |
| Gadgetoid_N810 | mine, at least, both worked beautifully | 00:08 |
| Gadgetoid_N810 | but the new airport base station is excellent | 00:09 |
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| Veggen | amr: only postage? | 00:15 |
| Veggen | since it doesn't work, I'm not willing to try find out why ;) (and I don't sell defective things, but if someone want it and are willing to risk the postage, feel free :) | 00:16 |
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| amr | Veggen cool | 00:24 |
| amr | where do you live? :P | 00:24 |
| amr | (please say the uk) | 00:25 |
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| MaceN8x0 | root@restless:/home/mace# xset +fp /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc | 00:27 |
| MaceN8x0 | xset: bad font path element (#62), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions | 00:27 |
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| MaceN8x0 | wtf | 00:27 |
| johnsq | MaceN8x0: wau 62 font paths. | 00:28 |
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| MaceN8x0 | ? | 00:30 |
| johnsq | MaceN8x0: #62 is the 62th element in font paths, you have already 61 paths | 00:30 |
| MaceN8x0 | i dont understand | 00:32 |
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| johnsq | MaceN8x0: you have very much fonts installed. | 00:34 |
| MaceN8x0 | is that why i cant add another fp? | 00:34 |
| johnsq | MaceN8x0: are you sure ../X11/.. gentoo has only fonts/misc | 00:34 |
| MaceN8x0 | im in mer | 00:34 |
| Veggen | amr: Norway. | 00:35 |
| amr | oh, arse | 00:35 |
| Veggen | so might not be worth it. | 00:35 |
| johnsq | MaceN8x0: you should look if #62 is the /misc/ than there is a failure with misc. | 00:36 |
| MaceN8x0 | well. i am trying to add the dir now | 00:36 |
| MaceN8x0 | so it is | 00:36 |
| * GAN800 boggles at the attitudes on Talk. | 00:37 | |
| * lardman wanders over and takes a look | 00:38 | |
| GAN800 | lemmyslander, in particular. | 00:39 |
| pupnik_ | lardman. could you get a sine wave playing out of dsp? | 00:39 |
| lardman | well Quim's comment is reassuring | 00:39 |
| Gadgetoid_N810 | Yay, freed up some internal memory | 00:40 |
| lardman | pupnik_: not directly | 00:40 |
| lardman | pupnik_: you could generate one on the DSP and play it on the ARM | 00:40 |
| pupnik_ | or was the output to sound server the real difficulty? | 00:40 |
| pupnik_ | ah k | 00:40 |
| pupnik_ | too bad | 00:40 |
| lardman | well perhaps | 00:40 |
| lardman | I mean we may need to rewrite the DSP kernel for Mer anyway, and in that case someone would have to write the audio codec driver, and then you would be able to output directly | 00:41 |
| pupnik_ | i see | 00:41 |
| lardman | you want this for the game sounds right? | 00:42 |
| lardman | sb emu or something? | 00:42 |
| pupnik_ | sure | 00:42 |
| pupnik_ | lots of emus | 00:42 |
| lardman | well it's certainly possible | 00:42 |
| johnsq | lardman: i will need it for my IR Remote. | 00:42 |
| lardman | johnsq: sine waves? | 00:42 |
| lardman | ah ir via the headphone output? | 00:43 |
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| johnsq | lardman: yes. yes | 00:43 |
| lardman | probably easier to do that on the ARM than get the DSP involved | 00:43 |
| lardman | pupnik_ is interested in offloading some processing mainly | 00:43 |
| zerojayPC | GAN800: Yeah, I was just catching back up on that thread. | 00:43 |
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| pupnik_ | the dsp could do the emulation and send the resulting audio stream back to the emu | 00:44 |
| zerojayPC | GAN800: I particularly don't like the implication that I've spent my time entering bugs and correcting the wiki because I expect payment from Nokia in one form or another. | 00:45 |
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| Jaffa | Indeed. | 00:47 |
| zerojayPC | GAN800: He just posted an apology. | 00:47 |
| lardman | pupnik_: yes | 00:47 |
| lardman | pupnik_: if you have a piece of single threaded code that generates the sinusoids from some sort of instruction stream, it should be reasonably easy to port (he says :D) | 00:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | zerojayPC: who? | 00:51 |
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| zerojayPC | timeless_mbp: lemmysomething | 00:55 |
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| VDVsx | Warning: TMO is dangerous for your mental health, avoid consume it in large doses :P | 00:59 |
| lardman | :) | 01:00 |
| zerojayPC | lol | 01:01 |
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| zerojayPC | I remember when we used to get the odd troll here or there once every month or so complaining that Skype video didn't work. | 01:02 |
| lardman | new devices always bring an influx of new people wanting to make their mark | 01:02 |
| Macer | blah | 01:02 |
| Macer | just going to try to add the font paths to xorg.conf | 01:03 |
| Macer | and hope it can pick them up that way | 01:03 |
| Macer | once i get a couple more things working in mer then the world will be a better place heh | 01:03 |
| javispedro | specially phone devices. | 01:03 |
| GAN800 | lardman, it's been going downhill since well before that. | 01:03 |
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| zerojayPC | lardman: Nothing wrong with that, really... I just wish some wouldn't take such a... um... constant negative attitude about things... or make snap judgments. | 01:04 |
| lardman | GAN800: that's also the effect of the platform becoming more popular I think | 01:04 |
| lardman | drawing more people in, and more non-devs | 01:04 |
| Macer | hm | 01:05 |
| GAN800 | zerojayPC, or just generally insist upon habitual inane stupidity. :D | 01:05 |
| zerojayPC | All the "OMG Nokia's putting out a netbook but it doesn't run Linux... MAEMO IS OVAR!" people are the ones that are really pissing me off at the moment. | 01:05 |
| Macer | well. i guess adding a font path makes mer not boot anymore | 01:05 |
| Macer | blah crapper | 01:05 |
| VDVsx | zerojayPC, same here | 01:05 |
| zerojayPC | Wish I hadn't signed up to the maemo-users mailing list. Spammed by about 50 e-mails about that fucking thing. | 01:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojayPC: lol, so true... | 01:06 |
| lcuk | zerojayPC, different people, different skillset. | 01:06 |
| lardman | zerojayPC: turn it into a digest | 01:06 |
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| johnsq | lcuk: more zero skillset | 01:06 |
| lcuk | i can see the similarity though. a 10inch none touch craptop is so close to the mark for the tablets | 01:06 |
| lcuk | they are literally buzzing us guys ;) | 01:07 |
| lcuk | johnsq, no actually. | 01:07 |
| zerojayPC | lardman: But do I want a digest that will be almost entirely off-topic? :) | 01:07 |
| lcuk | nokia employs many people | 01:07 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN800: anyway | 01:07 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll need help shorlty | 01:07 |
| lcuk | they want to keep their jobs | 01:07 |
| timeless_mbp | where's our packaging expert? | 01:07 |
| lcuk | #canola | 01:07 |
| lcuk | http://www.littlechina.org/~lfelipe/etrunko.png | 01:08 |
| VDVsx | ehhehe | 01:08 |
| GAN800 | zerojayPC, unsubscribe from -users. | 01:08 |
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| GAN800 | They're all trolls whose purpose is to trick you into wasting your time trying to help or inform them. ;) | 01:09 |
| GAN800 | jeremiah! | 01:09 |
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| * timeless_mbp pokes jeremiah | 01:09 | |
| * timeless_mbp still needs a solution | 01:09 | |
| zerojayPC | 42! | 01:09 |
| lardman | NaCl | 01:09 |
| timeless_mbp | i think tentatively that i'll package into an enus1 directory | 01:09 |
| GAN800 | I unsubscribed from -users last year, you'll be a much happier person if you do too. | 01:09 |
| timeless_mbp | and then back up things into an enus0 directory | 01:10 |
| zerojayPC | GAN800: Yeah, I think I'll be doing that. | 01:10 |
| timeless_mbp | and replace things whose md5sums i recognize | 01:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | enus... is that similar to anus? | 01:10 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: have you installed my package in diablo? | 01:10 |
| timeless_mbp | (extras-devel) apt-get install locale-l10n-enus1 | 01:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No, I'm waiting for the real English (read: en_GB) version :) | 01:11 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping | 01:11 |
| timeless_mbp | blah | 01:11 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: help me come up w/ a packaging system which can get into extras | 01:11 |
| timeless_mbp | and my british colleague will help convert it to engb1 | 01:11 |
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| Gadgetoid | N810 virtual memory, on or off? | 01:11 |
| lcuk | by the way, ultimate most positive thing i saw after the nokia laptop announced. our very own feremiah set the ball rolling on documenting it for a debian port | 01:11 |
| zerojayPC | qwerty12_N810: Pfffft. ;) | 01:12 |
| lcuk | jeremiah | 01:12 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: s/en_GB/en obviously it being the one and only English | 01:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: Hehe, sounds fair :) | 01:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: yep | 01:12 |
| lardman | oh no, not sure I should have done that, can't be arsed with another argument with GAN800 ;) | 01:12 |
| * javispedro grabs pocorn and goes watch maemo-users (he never subscribed) | 01:12 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojayPC: Oh, sorry, did the mention of real English annoy you? ;P | 01:12 |
| timeless_mbp | lardman / qwerty12_N810 : i'm fairly certain most people would prefer enus1 over Fingrish | 01:12 |
| zerojayPC | qwerty12_N810: Haha. | 01:12 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, i think you are right, i misread "enus" every time | 01:13 |
| lardman | timeless_mbp: yep :) | 01:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: true that | 01:13 |
| Macer | wtf | 01:13 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, packaging help really really needed | 01:13 |
| Macer | is up with mer and the fonts? | 01:13 |
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| lcuk | >>>>>>>>>>>>> #mer is that way | 01:14 |
| lcuk | ask them | 01:14 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: I'm lazy... I'd just divert... | 01:14 |
| Macer | heh | 01:14 |
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| Macer | tried. nobody is there | 01:14 |
| javispedro | lcuk, to the right?? damn. that's what I always ended up in #porn instead. | 01:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: that's a bad thing? | 01:14 |
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| lcuk | hint, alpha sorting - mer is before porn | 01:14 |
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| lcuk | and before qt :P | 01:14 |
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| javispedro | :D | 01:15 |
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| lardman | does #porn exist? | 01:15 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | It's a fucking trick chan! | 01:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Bastards! | 01:15 |
| lcuk | its a fake chan from freenode nodoubt | 01:15 |
| lardman | lolol | 01:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "[##you_have_got_to_be_kidding] Hi, you should probably read the network policy page (http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#general) and maybe some information about the network (http://freenode.net/ and http://freenode.net/philosophy.shtml) and maybe find a better network ;) (http://irc.netsplit.de/networks). Thanks!" | 01:15 |
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| lardman | :D | 01:16 |
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| javispedro | they should have banned you all just for trying | 01:16 |
| javispedro | perverts | 01:16 |
| lcuk | does #pron exist? | 01:16 |
| lcuk | oooh i was opped for a moment | 01:16 |
| javispedro | bahj, too many posts about the nokbook in -users to enjoy | 01:18 |
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| jaem | hey folks | 01:21 |
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| jaem | is there a non-obvious way to change your password on maemo.org? I can't find an obvious one | 01:21 |
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| lardman | floating toolbar | 01:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The non-obvious way involves blood, and a cow | 01:22 |
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| lardman | it's a goat actually | 01:22 |
| jaem | lardman: yes, but I'm not seeing it for some reason >_< | 01:22 |
| jaem | qwerty12_N810: lol | 01:22 |
| jaem | figures | 01:22 |
| lardman | edit iitc | 01:22 |
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| lardman | iirc | 01:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | s/cow/lardman/ | 01:22 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N810 meant: The non-obvious way involves blood, and a lardman | 01:22 |
| lardman | not many password changes after the first one then... :) | 01:22 |
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| jaem | ...still not seeing it | 01:23 |
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| Gadgetoid | When you turn off virtual memory in the N810, does it still leave the file knocking about? | 01:24 |
| lardman | jaem: hang on let me look | 01:25 |
| Macer | ok | 01:25 |
| Macer | i give up on the fonts for now | 01:25 |
| lardman | jaem: click on your name at the top | 01:26 |
| Macer | not important enough and i've already wasted an hour on them :) | 01:26 |
| Macer | mer doesn't seem to want to use font paths | 01:26 |
| Macer | not even from xorg.conf | 01:26 |
| lardman | jaem: to go to your profile, then Page>Edit account | 01:26 |
| Macer | xset won't add new ones wither | 01:26 |
| Macer | strange | 01:26 |
| Macer | either | 01:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: so erm | 01:27 |
| timeless_mbp | could you take my diablo extras packages and provide examples of how diverges would work? | 01:28 |
| timeless_mbp | please note that marius (ham owner, retired) didn't think it was a good choice of technologies | 01:28 |
| timeless_mbp | and that we're talking about 70+ packages with unknown conflicting package names | 01:28 |
| lardman | jaem: that work? | 01:29 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: will try and do so if I have a lot of time.. I've seen how many mos are to be found in your packages... :) | 01:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah | 01:31 |
| timeless_mbp | i really think diverges is incredibly impractical | 01:31 |
| Khertan | Hi again | 01:31 |
| timeless_mbp | i've talked it over w/ both marius and jeremiah | 01:31 |
| lardman | hi Khertan | 01:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | If a better solution can be found, then, by all means, please go with it (and let me know what it is :)) | 01:32 |
| Khertan | hi lardman | 01:32 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: i'm thinking of installing into /path/enus1 | 01:33 |
| timeless_mbp | backing up files into /path/enus0 | 01:33 |
| timeless_mbp | and then using a md5sum database of files and replacing any file whose checksum matches my database with ones from enus1 | 01:34 |
| timeless_mbp | seem reasonable? | 01:34 |
| jaem | lardman: sorry, back. And no, I already tried that | 01:34 |
| Khertan | ftp transfer with an md5checksum ? | 01:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: How would this checksum be checked? md5sum is not a part of the tablet | 01:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i can pull it in or implement it in perl if necessary | 01:35 |
| Khertan | qwerty_n810 of course it is .;. there is python | 01:35 |
| Khertan | :) | 01:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hehe | 01:35 |
| Khertan | i ve a small unoptimized ftp backup script that do a md5checksum before sending | 01:36 |
| Khertan | script done in python | 01:36 |
| jaem | hrm... | 01:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i could probably just have a list of the latest debian package i obsolete for each thing | 01:37 |
| jaem | is there anyone that I can talk to about the maemo.org password? It's been compromised, and I really need to change it | 01:37 |
| timeless_mbp | but the problem is that people will end up pulling in my entire package just to update one package | 01:37 |
| timeless_mbp | otoh, i don't think that's a lot of space, and it's probably still cheaper than the package maintenance on hundreds of packages | 01:38 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Hundreds of packages suddenly visible in the Application Manager (even under red-pill mode) doesn't sound good anyway :) | 01:39 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | (Look at the XChat locale packages) | 01:40 |
| Luke-Jr | qwerty12_N810: Why so serious? | 01:40 |
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| lardman | jaem: hmm, so I see. Try X-Fade | 01:42 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Luke-Jr: Because it's 23:42 and there has to be one point in the day where I am so :) | 01:43 |
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| Luke-Jr | qwerty12_N810: WHY SO SERIOUS⁈ | 01:45 |
| javispedro | wow. you used a unicode character combining ? and ! | 01:45 |
| javispedro | ?? | 01:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Luke-Jr: BECAUSE IT'S 23:45 AND THERE HAS TO BE ONE POINT IN THE DAY WHERE I AM SO | 01:46 |
| javispedro | pure genius. | 01:46 |
| Luke-Jr | qwerty12_N810: WHY SO SERIOUS⁈⁈⁈⁈⁈⁈ | 01:47 |
| Luke-Jr | javispedro: appending. | 01:47 |
| lardman | enough shouting, it's late | 01:47 |
| Luke-Jr | combining would be more like ‽ | 01:47 |
| javispedro | :P | 01:47 |
| Luke-Jr | ⁇ | 01:47 |
| javispedro | unicode: the most complete kitchen sink ever made. | 01:48 |
| Luke-Jr | ‼ | 01:49 |
| derf | Still doesn't have hieroglyphics NOR Klingon. | 01:49 |
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| lardman | all I see are strange fractions and french accents | 01:49 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: stop insulting Unicode! | 01:49 |
| Luke-Jr | derf: hieroglyphics were recently added | 01:49 |
| Luke-Jr | derf: hieroglyphics were recently added | 01:49 |
| javispedro | ⍻ | 01:50 |
| Luke-Jr | ☠ | 01:50 |
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| Luke-Jr | ☢ | 01:50 |
| lardman | right, bed time, too many french accents and fractions for one evening :p | 01:50 |
| lardman | night all | 01:50 |
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| javispedro | @ | 01:50 |
| javispedro | gnite. | 01:51 |
| Luke-Jr | ♙♙♙♙♙♙♙♙ | 01:51 |
| Luke-Jr | ♖♘♗♔♕♗♘♖ | 01:51 |
| Luke-Jr | How about a nice game of chess? | 01:51 |
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| javispedro | No, I want to play Global ThermoUnicodeChar War. | 01:52 |
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| Luke-Jr | javispedro: ooook | 01:52 |
| javispedro | naa, forget already ;P | 01:52 |
| Luke-Jr | ☣ ☢ ☣ ☢ ☣ ☢ ☣ ☢ ☣ ☢ ☣ ☢ ☣ ☢ ☣ ☢ ☣ ☢ ☣ ☢ ☣ ☢ ☣ ☢ ☣ ☢ ☣ ☢ | 01:52 |
| Luke-Jr | Don't forget to ♻! | 01:53 |
| Luke-Jr | ☮ | 01:53 |
| Luke-Jr | or we can just settle for building a ☃ | 01:53 |
| * qwerty12_N810 can't decide what's worse: this or infobot | 01:53 | |
| b-man16 | lol | 01:54 |
| Macer | xterm: cannot load font -*-terminus-medium-r-*-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1 | 01:54 |
| Macer | odd. fluxbox can use the font | 01:54 |
| Macer | why can't xterm | 01:54 |
| johnsq | Macer: use rxvt | 01:55 |
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| Macer | rxvt does transparent backgrounds? ;) | 01:55 |
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| Macer | that's what i was trying to get going | 01:55 |
| johnsq | Macer: pseudo transprent iirc yes. | 01:56 |
| javispedro | Luke-Jr, I don't know but your unicodechars have gotten into my source code | 01:57 |
| Macer | ok. i'll try it out | 01:57 |
| javispedro | *I don't know how. | 01:57 |
| Macer | kind of sucks i had to install Eterm just for Esetroot | 01:57 |
| Macer | not that it takes up much space. but it'll be just kind of sitting there. i suppose i can rm the bin | 01:57 |
| Macer | wow | 01:58 |
| Macer | i just noticed that every time you install something that has a menu process | 01:58 |
| johnsq | Macer: fbsetbg supports all properties | 01:58 |
| Macer | it ruins the shared menu and sets it to default | 01:58 |
| Macer | johnsq: yeah but you need something capable of setting a background image | 01:58 |
| Macer | xsetroot only does color | 01:59 |
| Macer | i couldn't think of anything else that would work | 01:59 |
| Macer | :) | 01:59 |
| Macer | plus i figured Eterm would just work and not spit out that it can't use fonts | 01:59 |
| Macer | heh | 01:59 |
| johnsq | Macer: fbsetroot and fbsetbg belongs to fluxbox | 01:59 |
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| Macer | oh | 01:59 |
| Macer | does fbsetroot do it? | 01:59 |
| Macer | fbsetbg is just a wrapper | 01:59 |
| Macer | i didn't know fbsetroot would change the bg image | 02:00 |
| johnsq | Macer: thats for gradient and color fbsetbg does images. | 02:00 |
| derf | Luke-Jr: It doesn't go in until October, apparently. | 02:00 |
| johnsq | Macer: feh as setter, fbsetbg handles the properties | 02:00 |
| Luke-Jr | derf: he doesn't come out until October, hopefully | 02:01 |
| Macer | well | 02:01 |
| Macer | figured fbsetbg just detected whatever you had that could do it | 02:01 |
| Macer | and did it | 02:01 |
| Macer | :) | 02:01 |
| Macer | but if feh does it i will install that soon | 02:01 |
| Macer | and rm Eterm/Esetroot | 02:01 |
| Macer | as long as rxvt can do transparency | 02:02 |
| Macer | and runs | 02:02 |
| Macer | i don't know wtf is up with the fonts but it is odd | 02:02 |
| johnsq | Macer: don't rm you should uninstall it with apt | 02:02 |
| Luke-Jr | no, aptitude | 02:03 |
| Macer | that's what i meant ;) | 02:03 |
| johnsq | Macer: ask some debian user, iirc debian uses font manager debforma or so. | 02:03 |
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| Macer | rxvt doesn't do transparent backgrounds | 02:03 |
| Macer | :) | 02:03 |
| Macer | or at least it doesn't have the option in -help | 02:04 |
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| Macer | and none of the terms seem to pick up on the fonts | 02:05 |
| Macer | although... fluxbox is able to (like when changing styles) | 02:05 |
| Macer | blah. :) this can wait for later. let me try out qtablet | 02:06 |
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| Jaffa | Hmm, I should really pack my bag for Brighton tomorrow :-/ | 02:11 |
| Jaffa | And I should really go to bed. | 02:11 |
| Jaffa | Damnit. | 02:11 |
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| javispedro | i'm surely going to become rich and famous with this kind of gui design... http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/fremantle.png | 02:43 |
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| VDVsx | javispedro, better put those options in an menu, IMO :) | 02:47 |
| javispedro | can you put all kinds of widgets in a fremantle menu? | 02:47 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, probably :) , didn't touched in hildon 2.2 yet | 02:48 |
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| VDVsx | javispedro, just in case, here are some docs: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide :) | 02:52 |
| VDVsx | there's also some for the python-hildon api | 02:52 |
| javispedro | not going to do much until we have more devices in the wild, but i'm looking at it not to waste too much time in a deprecated maemo4 api | 02:53 |
| VDVsx | true, just do a simple UI for the diablo, the true functionality of your app isn't the UI itself ;) | 02:55 |
| VDVsx | *for diablo | 02:55 |
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| wazd | any survivors? :) | 03:06 |
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| Macer | omg | 03:07 |
| Macer | qtablet is like... awesome | 03:07 |
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| javispedro | they have done a great job with the gtkdialogs, the "close" buttons disappear. | 03:10 |
| wazd | http://s47.radikal.ru/i116/0908/56/3ed6089e723a.jpg | 03:10 |
| Macer | i love the transparent titlebar | 03:10 |
| Macer | heh | 03:10 |
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| Macer | wow.. i might actually try to run it in mer if i can add apps to it | 03:11 |
| javispedro | wazd, happy thoughs :) | 03:11 |
| wazd | javispedro: that's leaked press photo, what are you talking about :D | 03:11 |
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| Macer | a leaked press render? :) | 03:11 |
| javispedro | man, I would love to see a 4-row keyboard maemophone. | 03:12 |
| Macer | haha | 03:13 |
| jaem | wazd: nice | 03:13 |
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| wazd | E900 is "maemo for serious dudes" :D | 03:13 |
| jaem | Macer: I missed the beginning - what are you running QTablet on? | 03:13 |
| Macer | a n810 | 03:13 |
| Macer | in mer | 03:13 |
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| Macer | so far all i've run is xterm on it | 03:14 |
| jaem | heh | 03:14 |
| Macer | i'd love to figure out how to add apps to the launcher | 03:14 |
| Macer | and change the backgrounds :) | 03:14 |
| Macer | it's amazing | 03:14 |
| jaem | how useable is it at the moment? | 03:14 |
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| Macer | well. it's running | 03:14 |
| jaem | I'm going to have to wipe my card to stick Wikipedia on it anyway, so I may try Mer | 03:14 |
| Macer | there isn't really much to it | 03:14 |
| jaem | I just haven't in a while | 03:14 |
| Macer | but it has a very nice interface | 03:14 |
| Macer | mer is ok | 03:15 |
| Macer | if diablo could print it would be far superior to anything | 03:15 |
| Macer | heh | 03:15 |
| Macer | but then again. mer can't print either | 03:15 |
| jaem | Macer: not yet? | 03:15 |
| Macer | yeah.. not yet (i guess) | 03:16 |
| Macer | i don't think printing has a high priority | 03:16 |
| Macer | ;) | 03:16 |
| jaem | no, but it would be nice | 03:16 |
| Macer | so far i've just been running fluxbox on it instead of the stock ui | 03:17 |
| jaem | ah | 03:17 |
| jaem | how is it? | 03:17 |
| Macer | they have fluxbox instructions on their site | 03:17 |
| jaem | yeah, I saw them | 03:17 |
| Macer | it's like running an old computer ;) | 03:17 |
| Macer | sound kind of sucks in mer | 03:18 |
| Macer | i am going to try a smaller encode of something later to try in vlc again | 03:18 |
| Macer | in diablo the video would play without problems. in mer the sound chops up :) and the video is kind of stuttering | 03:18 |
| jaem | :/ | 03:19 |
| jaem | brb | 03:19 |
| zerojayPC | What's this I saw in my twitter feed about the N900 announcement being TOMORROW? | 03:19 |
| javispedro | WELCOME TO THE DAY OF TOMORROW! | 03:19 |
| javispedro | there must be some truth in that | 03:19 |
| javispedro | why if not have I started to play with Hildon 2.2? | 03:20 |
| javispedro | destiny? | 03:20 |
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| zerojayPC | Yes, destiny. | 03:20 |
| GAN800 | What's tomorrow? | 03:20 |
| GAN800 | and from whom? | 03:20 |
| javispedro | a.k.a. url? | 03:20 |
| jaem | what's this? | 03:22 |
| jaem | ...just to add to the "ears-perked-up" thing | 03:22 |
| zerojayPC | I think it might be someone that's confused, but... http://twitter.com/lvargasl/status/3567426878 | 03:22 |
| Macer | haha | 03:22 |
| Macer | sorry. but there would be a lot more noise than a twitter announcement | 03:23 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, I know. | 03:23 |
| jaem | heh | 03:23 |
| zerojayPC | That's why I think he's confused or something. | 03:23 |
| javispedro | "Nokia will launch firefox on the next maemo device". yes... | 03:23 |
| zerojayPC | I see absolutely nothing about it. | 03:23 |
| Macer | qtablet deserves to get played with later | 03:23 |
| Macer | seems pretty good | 03:23 |
| jaem | gah... why are 16GB microSD cards so darn expensive...? | 03:23 |
| jaem | that was a rhetorical question | 03:24 |
| Macer | jaem: i found one on tigerdirect for 50 | 03:24 |
| * jaem nods | 03:24 | |
| Macer | c6 ;) | 03:24 |
| jaem | but I could get an 8GB c4 on sale for ~$25 last spring | 03:24 |
| Macer | but you lose speed | 03:24 |
| jaem | that's not bad, I suppose, but the gap is annoying | 03:24 |
| Macer | ;) | 03:24 |
| jaem | yes | 03:24 |
| jaem | all I have is cheap Kingston c4's anyway | 03:24 |
| Macer | i bought a 4G for $11 just because i wanted the minisd adapter | 03:25 |
| Macer | and figured the extra 4G c6 would be good in my phone | 03:25 |
| jaem | but I'd like to be able to store several movies AND all of Wikipedia :/ | 03:25 |
| Macer | then the 4G sd broke haha | 03:25 |
| jaem | is that too much to ask? | 03:25 |
| jaem | lol | 03:25 |
| Macer | in like a week | 03:25 |
| Macer | :) go figure | 03:25 |
| Macer | isn't worth shipping it back | 03:25 |
| Macer | damn the qtablet interface is perfect for a tablet | 03:26 |
| jaem | okay, that's it - I'm installing Mer :P | 03:26 |
| Macer | haha | 03:27 |
| Macer | not worth it for qtablet | 03:27 |
| Macer | it doesn't really do much | 03:27 |
| jaem | not just that... I'm just getting the prerelease itch | 03:27 |
| jaem | it's my primary character flaw | 03:27 |
| jaem | *cough* | 03:27 |
| Macer | preorder a touch book | 03:27 |
| Macer | i'm still waiting on mine :) | 03:27 |
| Macer | same hardware (mostly) | 03:28 |
| jaem | who makes that, again? | 03:28 |
| jaem | I don't think I've actually seen one yet | 03:28 |
| jaem | a picture, that is | 03:28 |
| Macer | people have started receiving them | 03:28 |
| Macer | always innovating | 03:28 |
| jaem | riiight | 03:28 |
| Macer | wtf. mer doesn't want to boot now | 03:28 |
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| Macer | i dunno. i think my n810 must be flakey or something | 03:28 |
| Macer | heh | 03:28 |
| Macer | it tried to boot then just reset on its own | 03:29 |
| jaem | oh, this one | 03:29 |
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| Macer | hm. it's stopping at the same point again | 03:29 |
| Macer | goddamnit. i'm going to have to check the fs | 03:29 |
| jaem | not a bad price, either | 03:29 |
| jaem | hmm | 03:29 |
| Macer | yah | 03:29 |
| jaem | if only I had the money for it ;) | 03:29 |
| Macer | i guess it would be considered "pre order" still | 03:29 |
| Macer | since they are backlogged | 03:29 |
| Macer | but it isn't vaporware | 03:29 |
| Macer | people have actually started to receive them | 03:29 |
| jaem | http://learnyousomeerlang.com/ | 03:31 |
| Macer | fluxbox in mer though.. it reminds me of my old dual p3/500 that used to run blackbox | 03:31 |
| Macer | heh | 03:31 |
| jaem | I found that the other day... odd... | 03:31 |
| jaem | Macer: I've run OpenBox more recently | 03:31 |
| jaem | and Awesome, a while back | 03:31 |
| jaem | I keep coming back to KDE, though | 03:32 |
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| jaem | sigh... I still haven't bought a wlan dongle for my desktop, so I have to route my Tubes through either my laptop or N810 | 03:35 |
| zerojayPC | Wow.. I... I guess I'm going to Amsterdam... :D | 03:36 |
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| zerojayPC | I guess I better get a passport, eh? lol | 03:44 |
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| RichiH | i am unable to download any maps on a newly flashed n810 on which is also re-created the partition and fat32 on the 2 GB storage | 04:02 |
| RichiH | what is the best way to debug this? | 04:02 |
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| vladovg | hi | 04:14 |
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| MaceN8x0 | ah well guess no transparent backgrounds for me | 04:17 |
| MaceN8x0 | blah heh | 04:18 |
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| neostrider-bzk | hello there? | 04:54 |
| neostrider-bzk | whos in da house? | 04:55 |
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| neostrider-bzk | hello there? | 05:09 |
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| MaceN8x0 | blah | 05:34 |
| neostrider-bzk | hello there? | 05:34 |
| oilinki | morning | 05:35 |
| neostrider-bzk | any brave N800 owner willing to test my SDL game? | 05:35 |
| neostrider-bzk | (works with 770 and N810 - not even a single smoke puff) | 05:35 |
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| * timeless_mbp looks at an n800 on the desk | 05:37 | |
| * neostrider-bzk looks at timeless_mbp | 05:37 | |
| timeless_mbp | it was chirping too much last night, so we put it out of our misery | 05:37 |
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| neostrider-bzk | well..heres the link: http://batterypoweredgames.blogspot.com/2009/07/angstron-2-droid-hunter-release.html | 05:38 |
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| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: I don't see a link to source | 05:40 |
| neostrider-bzk | http://www.sf.net/projects/bzk | 05:40 |
| neostrider-bzk | sorry | 05:40 |
| neostrider-bzk | I should make it more acessible | 05:40 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: do you have an ebuild? | 05:40 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: how do you eat that? | 05:40 |
| Luke-Jr | I don't see source on the SF project either... | 05:41 |
| Luke-Jr | eat what | 05:41 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: joke. I dont know what ebuild is | 05:41 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: Gentoo metadata | 05:41 |
| neostrider-bzk | I use a simple shell script to build it | 05:41 |
| neostrider-bzk | but Im migrating to netbeans C++ | 05:41 |
| Luke-Jr | ebuilds are specially formatted BASH scripts for building things | 05:41 |
| Luke-Jr | wtf is netbeans | 05:41 |
| neostrider-bzk | being scratchbox my only issue right now | 05:42 |
| neostrider-bzk | www.netbeans.org | 05:42 |
| Luke-Jr | why not use something standard or at least more common? | 05:42 |
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| neostrider-bzk | well, netbeans is a quite popular IDE, open source and its made with Java | 05:43 |
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| man_in_shack | eew, netbeans | 05:43 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: Java ftl | 05:43 |
| Luke-Jr | and IDE != build system | 05:43 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: In that case, I trust my IDE build system | 05:43 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 05:43 |
| neostrider-bzk | source -> https://sourceforge.net/projects/bzk/develop | 05:43 |
| * man_in_shack prefers eclipse to netbeans, and eclipse is f***ing awful | 05:44 | |
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| Luke-Jr | so there's no proper source release? | 05:44 |
| neostrider-bzk | under the hood, netbeans use makefiles anyway | 05:44 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: everything on subversion | 05:44 |
| Luke-Jr | so really you mean you're moving to Make? | 05:44 |
| man_in_shack | neostrider-bzk, so why not just use makefiles? | 05:44 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: most software has versions | 05:44 |
| neostrider-bzk | man_in_shack: it doesnt like my way to arrange the files - everything in .h files and just a single .cpp | 05:45 |
| Luke-Jr | OMFG | 05:45 |
| Luke-Jr | of course it doesn't, that's just wrong | 05:45 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: its been working for my for the last 4 years | 05:45 |
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| neostrider-bzk | (I started this project after downloading the first release of the Maemo SDK, wat back in late 2005) | 05:45 |
| Luke-Jr | if you're going to write C++ code, you need to learn C++ | 05:46 |
| man_in_shack | makefiles can be made to like your broken build system | 05:46 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: I write my own C++ style. And it has been working since then... | 05:46 |
| neostrider-bzk | man_in_shack: I dont like its synthax... | 05:47 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: what you just described is not C++, even if a C++ compiler can figure out how to build it | 05:47 |
| man_in_shack | neostrider-bzk, its syntax is really nice and easy | 05:47 |
| neostrider-bzk | gcc does it very well indeed | 05:47 |
| man_in_shack | gcc is not a c++ compiler | 05:47 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: which script builds? | 05:47 |
| neostrider-bzk | g++ | 05:47 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: that doesn't make it C++ code | 05:48 |
| * man_in_shack wonders what neostrider-bzk means by "everything" is in .h files? | 05:48 | |
| Luke-Jr | ugh, exe files in the svn repo | 05:48 |
| man_in_shack | eew | 05:48 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: if you consider that I dont use most advanced C++ features... | 05:48 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: I would be highly surprised if the C++ standard didn't define the difference between headers and sources | 05:49 |
| man_in_shack | neostrider-bzk, maybe you'd be happier with Obj-C | 05:49 |
| neostrider-bzk | man_in_shack: No , thank you. My day job is at a Mobile Game Studio for iPhone | 05:49 |
| neostrider-bzk | hate XCode | 05:49 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 05:50 |
| Luke-Jr | who said anything about XCode | 05:50 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: XCode->Obj-C | 05:50 |
| Luke-Jr | wrong | 05:50 |
| neostrider-bzk | I know, I know | 05:50 |
| Luke-Jr | Obj-C is a programming language | 05:50 |
| Luke-Jr | supported by GCC just like C++ | 05:50 |
| neostrider-bzk | OpenStep and all that stuff | 05:50 |
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| man_in_shack | Luke-Jr, he programs for iphone. there is NO HOPE for him | 05:50 |
| Luke-Jr | it has nothing to do with OpenStep either | 05:50 |
| neostrider-bzk | I just dont like [this [stuff like]] | 05:50 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: wtf is that stuff | 05:50 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 05:51 |
| Luke-Jr | why are there backup~ files in svn? -.- | 05:51 |
| neostrider-bzk | becouse damn gedit create it while Im distracted | 05:51 |
| Luke-Jr | I think this is about where I turn and run as fast as possible away from this | 05:51 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: you're free to do it | 05:51 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: again, what was the script to build it? | 05:51 |
| Luke-Jr | I just want to see if it even builds | 05:52 |
| neostrider-bzk | hunbuild.sh | 05:52 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: stablesource is the current thing? | 05:52 |
| neostrider-bzk | yeah | 05:52 |
| neostrider-bzk | Im about to fork it | 05:52 |
| Luke-Jr | might want to move to a standard svn layout while you're at it | 05:52 |
| neostrider-bzk | the thing is, you will probably need to comment a few stuff before building | 05:52 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: thing is that I cant seem to find a straight , simple, documentation about it | 05:53 |
| man_in_shack | ok, yeah | 05:53 |
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| man_in_shack | seriously, neostrider-bzk, you should NOT be working with compilable languages here | 05:53 |
| man_in_shack | you're doing everything you can possibly do wrong | 05:54 |
| Luke-Jr | http://pastebin.ca/1544212 | 05:54 |
| Luke-Jr | BZKmain.cpp:19: error: cannot convert 'int ☆(int*, int)throw ()' to 'int*' for argument '1' to 'int pipe(int*)' | 05:54 |
| Luke-Jr | what the *%&#*%# is that | 05:54 |
| man_in_shack | hah | 05:54 |
| neostrider-bzk | this -> "|" | 05:54 |
| neostrider-bzk | a pipe | 05:54 |
| man_in_shack | Luke-Jr, would you mind double-posting that on dpaste.com? my stupid isp won't let me get to pastebin.ca | 05:54 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: I mean, how did you pull off that insane error? | 05:55 |
| neostrider-bzk | I dont see that error in here | 05:55 |
| neostrider-bzk | It works flawlessly here | 05:55 |
| neostrider-bzk | even inside scratchbox it does | 05:55 |
| man_in_shack | hence why you shouldn't be using a compilable language | 05:55 |
| neostrider-bzk | I have it here, running in my 770 right now | 05:55 |
| Luke-Jr | let me guess, you're using some ancient GCC? | 05:55 |
| man_in_shack | because you're doing it wrong | 05:55 |
| Luke-Jr | http://dpaste.com/85918/ | 05:55 |
| man_in_shack | ty Luke-Jr | 05:56 |
| Luke-Jr | int pipe1[2], pipe2[2]; | 05:56 |
| Luke-Jr | fail | 05:56 |
| neostrider-bzk | stone-age: gcc (GCC) 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu4) | 05:56 |
| Luke-Jr | pipe2 is a syscall | 05:56 |
| Luke-Jr | gcc (Gentoo 4.3.2-r3 p1.6, pie-10.1.5) 4.3.2 | 05:56 |
| man_in_shack | 4.2? | 05:56 |
| Luke-Jr | 4.3 | 05:56 |
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| Luke-Jr | I bet 4.4 would throw a fit | 05:56 |
| man_in_shack | 4.2 was broken, wasn't it? | 05:56 |
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| neostrider-bzk | cant you just delete everything pipe or tcp/ip related? | 05:57 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 05:57 |
| neostrider-bzk | man_in_shack: been working with this code for a looong time. It works on several other versions | 05:57 |
| man_in_shack | neostrider-bzk, can't you just fix it so it works for other people? | 05:57 |
| neostrider-bzk | ok, but nobody else ever complained | 05:57 |
| man_in_shack | <neostrider-bzk> the thing is, you will probably need to comment a few stuff before building << BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD | 05:57 |
| Luke-Jr | oh wow | 05:58 |
| Luke-Jr | renaming his 'pipe2' works | 05:58 |
| neostrider-bzk | man_in_shack: no feedback in 4 years <- EVEN WORST! | 05:58 |
| man_in_shack | yeah | 05:58 |
| Luke-Jr | except running it I get 2 windows | 05:58 |
| man_in_shack | notice the first error there | 05:58 |
| man_in_shack | "BZKmain.cpp:8: error: 'int pipe2 [2]' redeclared as different kind of symbol" | 05:58 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: I was testing multiplayer | 05:58 |
| man_in_shack | neostrider-bzk, how long has it been opensource? | 05:58 |
| man_in_shack | more to the point, for how long have other people been compiling it? | 05:59 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: why the *%$&* does your game ignore Ctrl-C | 05:59 |
| neostrider-bzk | just comment "StartPipeMultiplayerSession();" and make sure connected is false | 05:59 |
| man_in_shack | Luke-Jr, because that makes it awesome, obviously | 05:59 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: why the *%$&* does your game ignore clicking the X to close the window? | 05:59 |
| neostrider-bzk | man_in_shack: since its beginning | 05:59 |
| Luke-Jr | how can I exit | 05:59 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: just go for "exit" | 05:59 |
| Luke-Jr | haha, Quit menu item segfaults | 05:59 |
| Luke-Jr | success | 05:59 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: thank you very much for your community support | 06:00 |
| man_in_shack | this adds to my comment about "you're doing EVERYTHING you possibly can wrong" | 06:00 |
| man_in_shack | wtf | 06:00 |
| Luke-Jr | man_in_shack: don't worry, I'm running this in a sandbox ☺ | 06:00 |
| man_in_shack | Luke-Jr, i just took a closer look at that paste | 06:00 |
| man_in_shack | at the bottom | 06:00 |
| man_in_shack | "strip: 'hunter': No such file" << you're doing your build script wrong too! | 06:00 |
| Luke-Jr | XD | 06:01 |
| neostrider-bzk | man_in_shack: simply becouse I always have a binary here | 06:01 |
| neostrider-bzk | so it never fails | 06:01 |
| Luke-Jr | man_in_shack: actually, I wonder if these compile errors might technically be a GCC bug | 06:01 |
| man_in_shack | that's not the point | 06:01 |
| man_in_shack | neostrider-bzk, the point is that you're doing it wrong | 06:01 |
| neostrider-bzk | again: this is a open source "as is". people might see fit, or not | 06:01 |
| man_in_shack | bad practice and al | 06:01 |
| neostrider-bzk | i dont care | 06:01 |
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| Luke-Jr | man_in_shack: pipe2 is being defined by glibc and preventing his pipe2 var from working | 06:02 |
| man_in_shack | neostrider-bzk, would i be right in saying you taught yourself programming from scratch? | 06:02 |
| neostrider-bzk | you cant support lots of plataforms without sacrificing something | 06:02 |
| neostrider-bzk | man_in_shack: mostly | 06:02 |
| Luke-Jr | man_in_shack: please don't assume learning programming yourself is flawed ☺ | 06:02 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: nonsense | 06:02 |
| man_in_shack | Luke-Jr, i don't mean to imply that | 06:02 |
| Luke-Jr | portable C and C++ is quite doable | 06:02 |
| Luke-Jr | if you really need advanced things in a portable fashon, use Qt | 06:03 |
| man_in_shack | just that he's FAILED to learn anything about how to do it properly | 06:03 |
| neostrider-bzk | for instance: EZX is plain weird to support. So is Windows Mobile | 06:03 |
| neostrider-bzk | so , experts, show me your stuff! | 06:03 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: there is no excuse for these totally wrong things | 06:03 |
| Luke-Jr | and writing it in Qt would mean automatic Windows Mobile support | 06:03 |
| man_in_shack | neostrider-bzk, was C or C++ your first language? | 06:03 |
| Luke-Jr | wtf is EZX? | 06:03 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: try building a SDL app for EZX phones and you tell me whats wrong | 06:03 |
| Luke-Jr | pfft | 06:04 |
| Luke-Jr | those run Linux | 06:04 |
| neostrider-bzk | EZX is a linux plataform for Motorola Phones | 06:04 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: yeah, but isnt that simple: there is no official SDK | 06:04 |
| Luke-Jr | uh, so? | 06:04 |
| neostrider-bzk | so it misbehaves badly | 06:04 |
| Luke-Jr | if you wrote your code correctly, you wouldn't use an SDK even if it was available | 06:04 |
| neostrider-bzk | the segfault at the "quit" option was the best solution I could have to make it work | 06:05 |
| Luke-Jr | wtf that was intentional? | 06:05 |
| neostrider-bzk | yes.. it used to work well | 06:05 |
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| neostrider-bzk | "if you wrote your code correctly, you wouldn't use an SDK even if it was available" -> ??? | 06:05 |
| man_in_shack | so now not are you doing EVERYTHING you possibly can wrong, you're actually doing it DELIBERATELY too? | 06:06 |
| man_in_shack | neostrider-bzk, he's right | 06:06 |
| neostrider-bzk | ¬¬ | 06:06 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: properly written code wouldn't need anything other than a normal compiler | 06:06 |
| neostrider-bzk | Im doing what I need to do , so the game works on my cellphone | 06:06 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: Not when you need some really weird stuff to build apps | 06:06 |
| Luke-Jr | heck, it looks like EZX runs or can run Qt Embedded | 06:06 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: which is NEVER | 06:07 |
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| man_in_shack | Luke-Jr, except possibly for windows mobile :P | 06:07 |
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| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: so you're basically saying that OpenEZX and other efforts are plain waste of time? | 06:07 |
| man_in_shack | but as you said, Qt Embedded will solve that | 06:07 |
| neostrider-bzk | man_in_shack: Yeah, but you need the correct version of the Qt Embedded SDK and the Motorola Libs | 06:08 |
| neostrider-bzk | Motorola added some crap over QT Embedded | 06:08 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: OpenEZX looks like a project to REPLACE the EZX OS entirely | 06:08 |
| man_in_shack | i sure hope none of my programming students do any of the deliberately disgusting things you're doing | 06:08 |
| neostrider-bzk | you cant even run native code on unmodified phones | 06:08 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: Qt supports Windows Mobile just fine | 06:08 |
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| neostrider-bzk | man_in_shack: tell me - they have my time constraints? Or they do have enough time to properly code it? | 06:09 |
| Luke-Jr | now you're just digging for excuses <.< | 06:09 |
| man_in_shack | both | 06:09 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: I dont like Qt, Ok? I did all this code becouse I wanted to learn | 06:09 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: now youre being a real PITA | 06:09 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: learnign the wrong thing is worse than not learning at all | 06:09 |
| man_in_shack | neostrider-bzk, you said you've been doing this for 4 years. that's PLENTY of time to do it the RIGHT way | 06:09 |
| neostrider-bzk | man_in_shack: and little time to actually build the games I want to build | 06:10 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: you get points because it actually built on a 64-bit platform once I fixed your pipe2 issue | 06:10 |
| Luke-Jr | other than that, it is epic fail | 06:10 |
| man_in_shack | "a little time" over 4 years is how much exactly? | 06:10 |
| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: No, its not. | 06:11 |
| neostrider-bzk | man_in_shack: what do you mean? | 06:11 |
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| neostrider-bzk | Luke-Jr: this code is free. if you dont like it, just ignore it. For god's sake! | 06:11 |
| man_in_shack | i mean exactly what i said | 06:11 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: I plan to. | 06:11 |
| man_in_shack | neostrider-bzk, stop resisting education :P | 06:11 |
| neostrider-bzk | man_in_shack: stop being so pedantic | 06:12 |
| man_in_shack | this has nothing to do with being pedantic | 06:12 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: it would be different if you TRIED | 06:12 |
| neostrider-bzk | man_in_shack: basically, you're saying that only your way is the right way | 06:12 |
| man_in_shack | being pedantic is only ever using c-style comments | 06:12 |
| Luke-Jr | neostrider-bzk: this isn't about style, this is about doing it totally wrong | 06:12 |
| man_in_shack | neostrider-bzk, no, i'm saying your way is wrong | 06:12 |
| man_in_shack | deliberate segfault is wrong | 06:13 |
| Luke-Jr | hm | 06:13 |
| Luke-Jr | I think my time will be better spent playing RuneQuake | 06:13 |
| Luke-Jr | man_in_shack: join me? | 06:13 |
| man_in_shack | hehe | 06:13 |
| Luke-Jr | man_in_shack: connect quake.shmack.net ;) | 06:13 |
| man_in_shack | Luke-Jr, sounds like a better idea, yes :P | 06:13 |
| neostrider-bzk | pfff | 06:13 |
| man_in_shack | unfortunately i can't | 06:13 |
| neostrider-bzk | I do I still bother listening to "the community"? | 06:13 |
| neostrider-bzk | I will just plain close the source... | 06:14 |
| Luke-Jr | you don't | 06:14 |
| Luke-Jr | closing the source sounds good | 06:14 |
| Luke-Jr | then it gets ignored automatically | 06:14 |
| man_in_shack | no one would notice | 06:14 |
| Luke-Jr | instead of spending 30 mins deciding to ignore it | 06:14 |
| neostrider-bzk | GO PLAY F**** RUNEQUAKE | 06:14 |
| man_in_shack | no need to get abusive | 06:15 |
| neostrider-bzk | " man_in_shack prefers eclipse to netbeans, and eclipse is f***ing awful" | 06:15 |
| neostrider-bzk | in fact, you spelled more than me | 06:16 |
| man_in_shack | so now you're objecting to me getting abusive against IBM and ... who develops eclipse? | 06:16 |
| neostrider-bzk | if there's a rule about being abusive or not, you must obey whoever is the victim | 06:16 |
| man_in_shack | i object to you being abusive to Luke-Jr | 06:16 |
| man_in_shack | bullshit | 06:17 |
| man_in_shack | anyways, i gtg | 06:17 |
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| neostrider-bzk | \o/ | 06:17 |
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| neostrider-bzk | again: | 06:22 |
| neostrider-bzk | any brave N800 owner willing to test my SDL game? | 06:22 |
| neostrider-bzk | (works with 770 and N810 - not even a single smoke puff) | 06:22 |
| Luke-Jr | (bad idea) | 06:22 |
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| benson | \o/ | 06:24 |
| neostrider-bzk | (Im sorry , benson) | 06:25 |
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| benson | I got a N810 | 06:36 |
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| GAN800 | Howdy, benson. | 06:55 |
| johnx | mornin' GAN800 :) | 06:55 |
| GAN800 | Hey, johnx. | 06:56 |
| GAN800 | What's the word? | 06:56 |
| johnx | the word is: OMGWTFwork! | 06:56 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 06:57 |
| GAN800 | Back to school for me. | 06:57 |
| johnx | fun classes coming up? | 06:58 |
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| andre__ | garrr. i fail to send mail to tim it seems. "passed_through_a_server_in_our_RBL" | 10:07 |
| benson | morning,GAN800:) | 10:07 |
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| Stskeeps | morning andre__ | 10:08 |
| andre__ | heja | 10:09 |
| andre__ | damn it. okay, let's use facebook for this | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | facebook is useful for things at times | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:10 |
| andre__ | yeah. when email is dead. like now :-P | 10:10 |
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| andre__ | heh. i'll go to bed for another hour. got up way too early today :-P | 10:13 |
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| Andy80 | Jaffa, ping | 11:23 |
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| Andy80 | Jaffa, reading the t.m.o. can we consider people with "Y" in Majority column as "approved for sponsorship" or do we need another confirmation? | 11:33 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: You can make that consideration, indeed. | 11:34 |
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| Andy80 | ok, thanks | 11:35 |
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| VDVsx | eheh "Maemo-guru" :) | 11:46 |
| Jaffa | Not syndicated to p.m.o AFAICT :-/ | 11:46 |
| VDVsx | true, but should be IMO, at least the news section | 11:48 |
| X-Fade | Tablet blog was. | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | So if he has a redirect, it should still work. | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | And otherwise he should contact the person who is in charge of the planet ;) | 11:51 |
| Andy80 | is maemo-guru an "official" Maemo website? | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | No idea. | 11:51 |
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| VDVsx | Andy80, AFAIK, no | 11:52 |
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| VDVsx | maemo.nokia.com should be the official one | 11:53 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx, was suprised by the fact that Quim twitted it.... | 11:53 |
| Andy80 | since the home page contains a clear picture of N900 :) | 11:53 |
| VDVsx | heheh | 11:53 |
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| Jaffa | Of course, calling it "maemo-guru" is a violation of the trademark policy, but... meh. | 11:53 |
| Jaffa | I'm fed up of pointing that out to people. | 11:54 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa, well... violation of trademark is a problem too, but I was talking about the not yet public stuff :P | 11:55 |
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| X-Fade | Andy80: Well, the picture is out there. Nobody seems to deny it? :) | 11:55 |
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| Andy80 | X-Fade, you're right :) | 11:56 |
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| Andy80 | X-Fade, this sounds to me like a well organized marketing strategy, more than just someone stealing information and publishing it :P but it's only my own hopinion | 11:57 |
| VDVsx | humm, a lot of people are saying on twitter that maemo5 will be launched today o_0 | 12:00 |
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| Andy80 | VDVsx, cannot find anything http://twitter.com/#search?q=maemo | 12:02 |
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| Jaffa | Andy80: http://twitter.com/quimgil/statuses/3574190239 | 12:03 |
| VDVsx | ups: http://twitter.com/DLehtovirta/statuses/3575602222 | 12:03 |
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| Stskeeps | 404? :P | 12:04 |
| VDVsx | the twitts gone | 12:04 |
| Andy80 | That page doesn't exist! | 12:04 |
| VDVsx | gona take a screeshot | 12:04 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx, if you're going to fake it with photoshop I hope you're better than Microsoft's designers :D | 12:05 |
| VDVsx | nop | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | Pics or it didn't happen :) | 12:06 |
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| pupnik_ | yaay ukki made it | 12:07 |
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| VDVsx | http://neei.uevora.pt/~vdv/maemo5.png | 12:08 |
| VDVsx | those 3 twitts gone | 12:08 |
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| * crashanddie loathes twitter | 12:09 | |
| crashanddie | I have applied for a murder permit for anyone who uses the "Twitter" word within 200 yards of me | 12:09 |
| VDVsx | hehehe | 12:10 |
| crashanddie | I have a shotgun strapped under my desk, a .50 cal installed on the roof, and a desert eagle tucked away in the back of my jeans | 12:10 |
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| pupnik_ | i hope twitter is a short lived fad | 12:11 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, also: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=316003&postcount=604 | 12:11 |
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| johnx | crashanddie, you just said the T word. does that imply no more crashanddie? | 12:11 |
| wazd | http://s60.radikal.ru/i167/0908/91/f63951a93509.jpg <- Maemo for serious Dudes :) | 12:11 |
| crashanddie | johnx: I am allowed to use the word, for anyone in my vicinity is either dead or smart enough to have jabbed out their ears | 12:12 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx, well... you know, I suppose, how much weigth to give to these stuff :) | 12:12 |
| wazd | oh, it's Mer, sorry :D | 12:12 |
| wazd | http://i023.radikal.ru/0908/40/e6271b606173.jpg | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | wazd: Lol ;) | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | wazd: You need to move the spacebar more to the right.. | 12:13 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, of course, just saying, otherwise I lose my bet :P | 12:13 |
| wazd | X-Fade: well, everyone is whinning bout right spacebar :) | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | wazd: Not me. | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | Easy to reach with thumb. | 12:15 |
| Jaffa | Left-Ctrl might be more annoying (if it doesn't stick) | 12:15 |
| kirma | does e900 have green and red buttons on top? I thought not. | 12:15 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Of course it will stick :) | 12:15 |
| wazd | optical scroll, anyone? :) | 12:16 |
| wazd | between call buttons | 12:17 |
| kirma | also, at least the buttons on ther leftmost column are different from photos I've seen | 12:17 |
| wazd | kirma: thats e900, not n900 | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | kirma: wazd is making this all up. It is just a mockup ;) | 12:17 |
| wazd | X-Fade: It's Nokia's leaked press render actually ;) | 12:18 |
| kirma | http://mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml ... quite different | 12:19 |
| kirma | well, maybe they had made some real magic with cyrillic layout version | 12:19 |
| wazd | kirma: dude, it's another device, I've drawn it :) | 12:19 |
| kirma | ah, *E*900 | 12:19 |
| pupnik_ | kick ASS wazd | 12:19 |
| kirma | damn it | 12:19 |
| X-Fade | kirma: wazd haz madd skilzz | 12:20 |
| pupnik_ | thing is, smaller keys require more rounded tops, require more vertical space | 12:21 |
| kirma | gf refuses to give me a hint if they're releasing more than just N900 for a E90 replacement next week. I'd certainly like more than three-line keyboard. | 12:21 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: VDVsx: on the maemo-guru.com thing, not just qgil tweeting it: http://twitter.com/PeterMaemo/statuses/3574815740 | 12:21 |
| pupnik_ | but i would gladly sacrifice and accept a thicker n900 | 12:21 |
| kirma | but urge for linux device might be stronger ;) | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | well symbian-guru is quite popular isn't it? | 12:21 |
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| pupnik_ | with *that* keyboard | 12:21 |
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| oilinki | do you know if there is alternative solutions for keyboards? phone keys are always too small to write. | 12:23 |
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| kirma | I've found E90 (and earlier E70) keyboards quite useable | 12:24 |
| oilinki | I have seen some foldable bluetooth keyboars, but never tested if it's possible to write with those | 12:24 |
| VDVsx | oilinki, on screen keyboard ? | 12:24 |
| kirma | not really replacements for full keyboards, but good enough not to go back to non-qwerty | 12:24 |
| oilinki | on screen is not good to write | 12:24 |
| VDVsx | oilinki, so a good bluetooth one :) | 12:24 |
| X-Fade | BT keybord works. | 12:24 |
| pupnik_ | oilinki foldable bluetooth lets me type 2x as fast as thumbing text | 12:24 |
| oilinki | loing time ago I read of some guy who had an tricycle and used to write code while cycling. he was using some variation of a keyboard for each hand/handle. | 12:25 |
| oilinki | eg. press one key on right hand, and another with left to produce letter A. | 12:26 |
| kirma | either he's driving middle of nowhere, or not really writing too deep code | 12:26 |
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| kirma | or he's serious danger to his environment | 12:26 |
| oilinki | I'm after some kind of solution where the phone/computer could be on the table. write text with hands on the lap. have a small screen next to eye. | 12:28 |
| oilinki | or possible projected to the wall with the new pico-projectors | 12:29 |
| pupnik_ | anybody know people i could talk to who can embed precise mirrors into teansparent plastic? | 12:29 |
| wazd | http://s58.radikal.ru/i159/0908/b6/476edb4dc254.jpg <- some more E-look :) | 12:30 |
| pupnik_ | nm i just figured out the process | 12:31 |
| Corsac | *E*900? | 12:33 |
| * pupnik_ signs up in wazd's army | 12:34 | |
| X-Fade | wazd: When will we see the X910 express music? :) | 12:34 |
| kirma | you know your interests are way too skewed when you spend considerable amount of time sketching fan versions of your favourite hardware manufacturers' products :I | 12:35 |
| wazd | X-Fade: When I'll have insomnia next time :D | 12:35 |
| oilinki | wazd: use more selling domain name 'nokia-leaks.com' for example and start making money with the advertises ;) | 12:37 |
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| kirma | blinking anatomy site ads on the sketch screen? | 12:37 |
| wazd | oilinki: well, I'd gladly start making money on something more reliable :) | 12:37 |
| wazd | oilinki: day job for example :D | 12:38 |
| kirma | or "congratulations! you're the millionth visitor!" | 12:38 |
| pupnik_ | how bout a flush face tablet, slightly larger than n810, maybe with 1024x600 | 12:38 |
| oilinki | wazd: that might be better :) | 12:38 |
| pupnik_ | or (crazyness) a clamshell from nokia, with a 5-6" screen | 12:39 |
| wazd | pupnik_: smartbook? :) | 12:39 |
| pupnik_ | too big for pocket | 12:40 |
| wazd | pupnik_: it's upcomming, according to rumors | 12:40 |
| * Andy80 wants a 22'' tablet to work with Autocad while in bus :) | 12:40 | |
| pupnik_ | still must fit pocket | 12:40 |
| wazd | Too bad that I suck at 3D | 12:40 |
| Andy80 | well... I can buy clothes with pocket that can contain a 22'' :D | 12:41 |
| pupnik_ | i think nokia could push through to a new consumer base | 12:41 |
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| pupnik_ | jump to 1024x600, keep it pocketable, mid-price-point | 12:42 |
| pupnik_ | give it a super-ergonomic curved thumbboard | 12:43 |
| pupnik_ | websites on 4.3 is still too crazy | 12:44 |
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| johnx | small, fast, cheap: pick any 2 | 12:44 |
| johnx | I prefer my monitors 4:5 :) | 12:44 |
| johnx | anyways, off to sleep | 12:44 |
| pupnik_ | oh heres another invention for yÃ'all - i a browser, implement "link glow" - a shaded halo around a link that extends a number of pixels beyond the sctual link text (except on sides abutting other links) -- this would make clicking links much much easier | 12:45 |
| pupnik_ | remember - link halos, link glow | 12:46 |
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| X-Fade | jeremiah: ping? | 13:00 |
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| pupnik_ | getting a calloused left thumb here... | 13:11 |
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| andre__ | sigh. i try to reproduce one bug and run into four new ones. i guess it's normal, but still... frustrating | 13:47 |
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| VDVsx | lol | 13:50 |
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| andre__ | yeah. at the end of this day i will be quite sarcastic, probably... | 13:52 |
| Jaffa | andre__: Can I manage my own versions for the _Attitude_ product, or do I need you to do it? (We should look at a way of getting versions for extras' products synced from extras-testing) | 13:53 |
| nomis | andre__: how long did that take you? | 13:53 |
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| * nomis ponders calculating the amount of bugs you have at the end of the day. | 13:54 | |
| VDVsx | andre__, it's intentional to keep you working all the time :) ... those bastards ;) | 13:54 |
| andre__ | beware, this is exponential :-P | 13:55 |
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| nomis | andre__: only if you manage to discover the subsequent bugs of those 4 bugs in the same time you used to discover those 4 first bugs. Wait, you are? Wow! :) | 13:56 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo kalikiana, csaavedra | 13:57 |
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| konttori_ | Hi All! | 13:58 |
| _berto_ | hi hi | 13:58 |
| Jaffa | hi konttori_! | 13:58 |
| wazd | http://i001.radikal.ru/0908/e3/ed539053774b.jpg | 13:59 |
| konttori_ | http://www.maemo.nokia.com Future is here! Finally! <------ GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ | 14:00 |
| VDVsx | ehhe | 14:00 |
| wazd | konttori_: wow! | 14:00 |
| konttori_ | http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/ Take a look at that! Bujaka! | 14:00 |
| tbf | yeah: http://maemo.nokia.com/ | 14:00 |
| _berto_ | http://www.maemo.nokia.com/ | 14:00 |
| zerojayPC | aSHDiashidasdihaspdhasd | 14:01 |
| zerojayPC | hs | 14:01 |
| VDVsx | so the twitters are right ;) | 14:01 |
| * qwerty12_N810 lights a celebratory joint | 14:01 | |
| Jaffa | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=316083#post316083 | 14:01 |
| konttori_ | http://maemo.nokia.com/static_page_caching/1/index.html | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | Woohoo! | 14:01 |
| wazd | WO! | 14:01 |
| Corsac | \o/ | 14:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: if they have a job for "logo designer" or something, please say that you'll take it :) | 14:02 |
| wazd | daft punk? :D | 14:02 |
| X-Fade | I like the headphone btw.. | 14:03 |
| oilinki | great. finally. | 14:03 |
| Corsac | http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ for the specs, btw | 14:04 |
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| wazd | konttori_: damn, you've ruined my mockup hype, bastard :D | 14:05 |
| zerojayPC | Looks like last night's tweet about the launch was right after all. ;) | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | already today? | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:05 |
| Jaffa | Any tmo mods awake? Two threads need merging | 14:05 |
| wazd | no favicon btw | 14:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "Copy and paste without restrictions" | 14:06 |
| Jaffa | Press release says 500eur exc. sales tax | 14:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You go Nokia. | 14:06 |
| slonopotamus | Integrated FM transmitter o_O | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | old | 14:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Meanwhile, I'll fap to their image gallery. | 14:07 |
| Corsac | 500€, ouch | 14:07 |
| zerojayPC | qwerty12_N810: We won't be sharing a room at Maemo Summit then. ;) | 14:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :D | 14:08 |
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| zerojayPC | Our baby has grown up so much. | 14:08 |
| wazd | konttori_: I have a bug, when I click "portrait mode" in 360 view, flash 10 says that something is wrong | 14:09 |
| Myrtti | the database error is a bitch | 14:09 |
| X-Fade | "Database Error: Unable to connect to your database. Your database appears to be turned off or the database connection settings in your config file are not correct. Please contact your hosting provider if the problem persists." | 14:09 |
| VDVsx | Myrtti, yeh :( | 14:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: ooh, it's Ovi all over again! | 14:09 |
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| Corsac | where's the press release? | 14:09 |
| VDVsx | very cool video btw ;) | 14:09 |
| zerojayPC | What database error? | 14:10 |
| konttori_ | wazd, works for me. But i think I have flash 9 | 14:10 |
| slonopotamus | 800x480 screen and video recording up to 848 × 480 pixels... where they're going to put 48 pixels? | 14:10 |
| zerojayPC | The video's going SO slow for me.. lol | 14:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "Adobe Flash™ 9.4 support" :\ | 14:10 |
| oilinki | tv-out is great. can use as movie player for traveling. | 14:11 |
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| slonopotamus | oilinki, you're carrying tv set with you? :) | 14:11 |
| konttori_ | oilinki, see why I have been busy. Sorry for not getting back to you | 14:11 |
| oilinki | slonopotamus: there are tv:s on the hotels :) or just get an portable projector | 14:12 |
| wazd | konttori_: no, it works, but shows error | 14:12 |
| oilinki | konttori_: I understand. priorities might go for the launch :) | 14:12 |
| wazd | what's the music in the video?) | 14:12 |
| zerojayPC | Peter@Maemo is saying N900 is available October 2009 in select markets. | 14:13 |
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| wazd | You know what, I'm proud that I was here before today :) | 14:14 |
| slonopotamus | 500€... that's going to become 800€ here :) | 14:14 |
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| zerojayPC | wazd: Yeah, same here. | 14:15 |
| Jaffa | This device is going to rock. | 14:17 |
| * Jaffa is so excited to be going to Nokia World next week :-) | 14:17 | |
| zerojayPC | I am jumping up and down. | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | But the intro video is pretty awesome, yes. | 14:18 |
| VDVsx | so, we will need a task switcher in each app ? :( | 14:18 |
| zerojayPC | And as a 350 pound man in an old apartment building, that's quite a risk. | 14:18 |
| pupnik_ | any "service" provided by the folks with guns to our heads will be inferior to voluntary purchases in an open market | 14:18 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: ? | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: It looks like you press the top-left and you get an Expose-like affect | 14:19 |
| konttori_ | where's the price? | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | on press announcement i think | 14:19 |
| zerojayPC | 500 euros. | 14:19 |
| zerojayPC | Before taxes and subsidies. | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | konttori_: Press release | 14:19 |
| _berto_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE | 14:20 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, but you need to add it to your app, if it's a fullcscreen app (e.g games), I guess | 14:20 |
| crashanddie | only 256 RAM :( | 14:20 |
| konttori_ | http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1337594 | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: As long as you've got a way out to the app menu screen (maemo-games-launcher on diablo has the same issue if you ignore the "Home" key) | 14:21 |
| VDVsx | _berto_, key combo ? | 14:21 |
| VDVsx | to go to the dashboard ? :) | 14:21 |
| VDVsx | ah, there's a button :) | 14:22 |
| crashanddie | "TV out (PAL/NTSC) with Nokia Video Connectivity Cable (CA-75U, included in box) or WLAN/UPnP" | 14:22 |
| crashanddie | wait, what? | 14:22 |
| X-Fade | DNLA tv, yes ;) | 14:22 |
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| wazd | _berto_: Quim looks like silent Emperror there :D | 14:23 |
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| _berto_ | yes :D | 14:23 |
| X-Fade | Did you see the circular motion to zoom? :) | 14:23 |
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| _berto_ | yes we did | 14:25 |
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| konttori_ | jussi had in youtube video transmission bittorrent client on desktop! | 14:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yay! | 14:27 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: Looks like Ctrl-Backspace opens the dashboard | 14:27 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, yup ;) | 14:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | konttori_: if he has complaints, send them my way :p | 14:28 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: not sure I like that | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | another device demonstrated with qwerty12 software ;) | 14:28 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: does the screen take multi-touch? | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | two-touch probably | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: fake multitouch yes. | 14:28 |
| crashanddie | fake? | 14:29 |
| crashanddie | what, with lcuk hack? | 14:29 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: like your tablet does now. | 14:29 |
| crashanddie | my tablet? | 14:29 |
| * crashanddie doesn't have a tablet | 14:29 | |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: Well like any resistive touchscreen can. | 14:31 |
| crashanddie | k | 14:31 |
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| Stskeeps | yay skype | 14:33 |
| zeenix | Stskeeps: "integrated" skype :) | 14:33 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, that was obvious | 14:33 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Skype guy at the summit and stuff :P | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, where's A2DP? | 14:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It says "stereo headset" or something on stats page | 14:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | *specs | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:34 |
| zchydem | so it's finally published... | 14:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The Poles will be happy. They had to localise OS2008 themselves last time :) | 14:35 |
| adeus | http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/08/27/finding-maemo-the-new-noki | 14:35 |
| adeus | a-n900/ | 14:35 |
| adeus | argh | 14:35 |
| adeus | http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/08/27/finding-maemo-the-new-nokia-n900/ | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | Finding Maemo? | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, extra points to Nokia for placing British English before American English | 14:35 |
| _berto_ | yet another video -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHUwvaTmXWQ | 14:36 |
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| nomis | oh, FM *transmitter*. | 14:37 |
| wazd | damn, I think I just got hot :D | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: Like the 'Mom calling' in that one ;) | 14:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: (and rest of OMweather crew) congrats on kicking Foreca's ass :p | 14:39 |
| wazd | anyony knows what's the music in the first promo? | 14:39 |
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| wazd | qwerty12_N810: oh, that's just the beginning :D | 14:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 14:39 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: we have whole box of nails :) | 14:39 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: They stole my idea! http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/finding-maemo.jpg and http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/finding-maemo2.jpg | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | haha :P | 14:40 |
| X-Fade | Indeed. | 14:40 |
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| wazd | lawl :D | 14:41 |
| aspect | FM transmitter? wut? | 14:41 |
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| * Jaffa was a bit bored during an OSiM World session last year | 14:41 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 14:41 |
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| jeremiah | How ya like me now iPhone! | 14:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~burn iPhone | 14:42 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over iPhone, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 14:42 | |
| wazd | jeremiah: he's not responding, cardiac :D | 14:42 |
| jeremiah | heh | 14:43 |
| Myrtti | aspect: of course it has it | 14:43 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: how is maemo.org/packages linking to bugzilla? | 14:44 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: I added that link manually. | 14:44 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: for Wormux? | 14:44 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yes. | 14:45 |
| jeremiah | Hmmm. So Maemo-select is like "fremantle stars"? | 14:46 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: yeah, I was wondering where did that come from and why none of the other packages have it ;) | 14:46 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Select items from the Downloads catalog. | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/software-freedom-lovers-here-comes-maemo-5/ <- thumbs up for 'sudo gainroot' instead of jailbreak :> | 14:46 |
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| X-Fade | jeremiah: Once we have applications in there. | 14:46 |
| jeremiah | Ah, okay. :) | 14:46 |
| jeremiah | Looks like they say things like OMweather and Mauku will be there. | 14:47 |
| javispedro | ah,announcement morning after all | 14:47 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yeah, was testing the entry. You will be able to add these links soon. | 14:47 |
| thopiekar | hi all | 14:47 |
| thopiekar | hi jeremiah, X-Fade :) | 14:47 |
| timeless | jeremiah: sadly the web site suffers from iPhone 2 envy | 14:47 |
| aspect | Myrtti: odd. I didn't expect that -- thought it might be an oversight like "first maemo device" :) | 14:47 |
| javispedro | so destiny was right after all :P | 14:47 |
| jeremiah | timeless: I think it is a lot better than the iPhone | 14:47 |
| jeremiah | but I am biased. :) | 14:47 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: I think that I am constantly losing maemo.org login when browsing maemo.org/packages | 14:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | jeremiah++ | 14:47 |
| timeless | it seems to think we could do better than iPhone 2 but didn't notice iPhone 3 has been on the market for a while | 14:48 |
| Jaffa | mikkov_: Known, old bug. | 14:48 |
| jeremiah | I think, for the first time, the iPhone has met its "killer" | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | jeremiah: anyway | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i need help w/ packages | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i still need a solution | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | and as you can see, i need it really fast :) | 14:48 |
| jeremiah | timeless_mbp: I thought you decided not to uninstall? | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | well, as long as you guys agree to promote me | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | that's fine :) | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp | but then i need someone to promote :) | 14:48 |
| javispedro | lol maemo.nokia.com advertising "copy&paste" | 14:49 |
| jeremiah | I'll promote! | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: iPhone 2 envy | 14:49 |
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| javispedro | damn world. | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | jeremiah: ok | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: non known, side effect of adding new server into the cluster. | 14:49 |
| javispedro | ;) | 14:49 |
| jeremiah | I'm a promotion whore. =] | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | jeremiah: ok cool | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i should have my strings ready by tomorrow or sunday | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Problem will go away soon. | 14:49 |
| Myrtti | aspect: why not? n97 has it, n86 has it... | 14:49 |
| jeremiah | But I think you need more than just little ole me | 14:49 |
| oilinki | is there sip/voip support for n900? | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll have to do one merge | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | oilinki: sure | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | gtalk and skype too | 14:50 |
| jeremiah | oilinki: You mean like skype? | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | you can configure a "normal" sip thing if you like | 14:50 |
| Myrtti | oilinki: sip/voip works even in n800 | 14:50 |
| oilinki | timeless_mbp: ok. good | 14:50 |
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| lardman | "morning" | 14:51 |
| oilinki | jeremiah: no, real voip ;) | 14:51 |
| jeremiah | oilinki: In short, Yes. | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | oilinki: in general we haven't dropped features | 14:51 |
| oilinki | Myrtti: I know, I'm using it. but I just did not see it mentioned yet. | 14:51 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: People (incl. me) have been moaning about the "maemo.org forgets your login, even after half an hour" issue for months (if not years). Answer was "increased PHP session timeout" (didn't fix it), then "SSO will fix it" | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly, your old mini usb cards won't work :) | 14:51 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: No, that has been fixed weeks ago. | 14:51 |
| jeremiah | oilinki: VoIP is just "Voice over Internet Protocol" | 14:51 |
| jeremiah | Its not the device that can or can't do it - its the networks that allow it, sniff the packets, block ports, etc. | 14:52 |
| oilinki | jeremiah: correct. | 14:52 |
| jeremiah | Of course the device has to speak IP | 14:52 |
| mikkov_ | Jaffa: only packages interface has the problem now | 14:52 |
| jeremiah | But my toaster does that | 14:52 |
| wazd | aha | 14:52 |
| mikkov_ | *login problem | 14:53 |
| wazd | GRUm - GO BACK :D | 14:53 |
| wazd | It's shown in the promo :D | 14:53 |
| wazd | that song :) | 14:53 |
| jeremiah | http://maemo.nokia.com/developers/ | 14:53 |
| jeremiah | ^schweet | 14:53 |
| javispedro | ^^ points to maemo4 sdk | 14:53 |
| javispedro | lol :) | 14:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's a test. If you can withstand Maemo 4's old libs, you've passed and can use Maemo 5's SDK :p | 14:54 |
| javispedro | :D | 14:54 |
| javispedro | heh, they link to here too | 14:54 |
| javispedro | expect the phone-loving to come here en-masse | 14:54 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Hmm, OK. Cool | 14:54 |
| jeremiah | Prepare for the n00b flood | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder when SDK will be out | 14:55 |
| thopiekar | the site looks amazing! would like to see that style on maemo.org, too | 14:55 |
| thopiekar | ! | 14:55 |
| jeremiah | OHAI! CAN I HAZ IPHONE APP ON MY MAEMOO? | 14:55 |
| VDVsx | lololol | 14:55 |
| javispedro | the site looks good, but I think it's bigger than 800px wide? | 14:55 |
| nomis | jeremiah: O RLY? | 14:55 |
| nomis | jeremiah: WOOOT! | 14:55 |
| lardman | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ someone should change the title of the Maemo 5 SDK to say "For N900" or similar | 14:56 |
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| mikkov_ | n900 specs don't say how big is the filesystem where apps are installed (device flash or what ever)? | 14:56 |
| lardman | and probably also push the current internal SDK to a 1.0 release too | 14:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ...and include a task-switcher! | 14:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'm currently using wmctrl for the beta SDK >.< | 14:57 |
| lardman | X-Fade: you doing website triage? | 14:57 |
| javispedro | History in browser-ui looks cool | 14:57 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Only admin issues. | 14:58 |
| lardman | X-Fade: there are link issues (linking to wrong page) on the development page | 14:58 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Not those ;) | 14:58 |
| lardman | is anyone, I may as well ping them | 14:58 |
| oilinki | anyway. this is the first non-nerd maemo device :) | 14:58 |
| lardman | ? | 14:58 |
| nomis | Mhm, I wonder if the device is smaller than the N810. | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Dave? | 14:59 |
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| lardman | ok, will send him an email | 14:59 |
| javispedro | ok, maemo.nokia.com site looks cool. even tho it has still a long way to come if they want to compete with apple. apple would have put a big large photo of the phone, the price, a big "Buy Now" link, nothing more and expect the clicks. | 14:59 |
| ziyourenxiang | according to gsmarena: 59.7mm x 111mm x 18.2mm | 14:59 |
| ziyourenxiang | quite fat | 14:59 |
| ziyourenxiang | weighs 180g | 15:00 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: N900 can't compete (except at the margins) with iPhone. Pre, Android, WinMo et al are the real competitors. | 15:00 |
| javispedro | aka those users who can be "bought" by features. | 15:01 |
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| Jaffa | ziyourenxiang: About the same size as a G1. Doesn't look that big when next to real hands (although it soounds good) | 15:02 |
| tbf | Jaffa: why, cause it's missing job's reality distortion field? | 15:02 |
| ziyourenxiang | yeah...i own a g1... i'm ready to ditch the g1 for n900... | 15:03 |
| ziyourenxiang | to get at the linux underneath | 15:03 |
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| javispedro | bah, outlook calendar sync? | 15:03 |
| ziyourenxiang | android was a false promise to me :-) | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, impressive how many nokians are in today :) | 15:03 |
| javispedro | here at channel still not much more people than usual | 15:04 |
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| iPhone_to_Maemo5 | Where can I buy the new Maemo 5? | 15:05 |
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| Maemo5_to_iPhone | here www.apple.com | 15:05 |
| iPhone_to_Maemo5 | meh, that is an iPhone. | 15:05 |
| iPhone_to_Maemo5 | I already had one of those. | 15:05 |
| iPhone_to_Maemo5 | I sold it on ebay. | 15:05 |
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| Maemo5_to_iPhone | Thanks for saying that. The brainwashing van has been sent to your home for your own security. Please wait patiently and open the door when the Apple representative arrives. | 15:06 |
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| Jaffa | tbf: The average person in the street isn't aware of the RDF. The iPhone has momentum and cache. The N900 will be wildly more popular than any previous Maemo device, but not quite enough to unseat the iPhone yet :-) | 15:07 |
| javispedro | hey, we can do our own community version of the RDF? | 15:07 |
| javispedro | so where we put the main generators, alaska? | 15:07 |
| lardman | well we're up to 422 users on Talk, not quite up there with the 637 from 31st Mar '08 | 15:07 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: next to your bulldozer ;) | 15:07 |
| javispedro | heh, Jussi playing Star Trek on the N900 | 15:08 |
| javispedro | very appropiate, hope the next video shows the tricorder skin | 15:08 |
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| * konttori_ can probably now publish theme maker! woohoo! | 15:11 | |
| X-Fade | Great! | 15:12 |
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| tbf | lol: http://flors.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/screenshot13.png?w=500&h=300 | 15:12 |
| jeremiah | heh | 15:13 |
| mikkov_ | I'd call that local root exploit | 15:14 |
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| oilinki | some more questions about n900 features. is there fm-radio as well? | 15:15 |
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| wazd | oilinki: yep | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | fm radio transmission, that is | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | at least according to spec | 15:16 |
| oilinki | ok. let me re-define, is there fm-receiver :) | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | Well the chip did have a receiver right? | 15:16 |
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| Stskeeps | i think kernel changed chip mid-way | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | But there doesn't seem to be any software. | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | Ah.. | 15:16 |
| javispedro | I cant find it either in the specs | 15:17 |
| lardman | oilinki: yes | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Was not in the N800 specs either ;) | 15:17 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: really? | 15:17 |
| oilinki | lardman: ok. thanks | 15:17 |
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| aol_ | any word of n900 dev discounts? :) | 15:17 |
| nomis | Having RDS available would be cool. | 15:17 |
| javispedro | wow, Sharp makes a comeback today too | 15:18 |
| lardman | oilinki: though wait 1, see what Stskeeps says | 15:18 |
| * nomis could polish his TMC decoding stuff... :) | 15:18 | |
| lardman | yeah I plan on doing that too :) | 15:18 |
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| lardman | nomis: you have working code? | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: there was differences between alpha and beta i think | 15:18 |
| lardman | hmm, ok | 15:18 |
| lardman | GAN800: ping | 15:19 |
| nomis | lardman: yes. Python script, decoding from a v4l radio device. | 15:19 |
| lardman | nomis: nice | 15:19 |
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| lardman | nomis: I was planning on decoding the UK obfuscated formaty | 15:19 |
| lardman | nomis: do you have a link? | 15:19 |
| nomis | lardman: oh, I have code cracking as well - but no plans on publishing this :) | 15:20 |
| lardman | nomis: sharing then if not cracking? ;) Are you in the uk? | 15:20 |
| nomis | lardman: not really a link yet, drop me a mail at simon@gimp.org and I'll collect some code. I am in .de. | 15:21 |
| GAN800 | lardman, pong? | 15:21 |
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| jeremiah | heh, #N900 trending on twitter | 15:21 |
| nomis | lardman: sorry, away for some food now, love to discuss this stuff. | 15:22 |
| jeremiah | looks like we have a hit on our hands | 15:22 |
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| lardman | GAN800: was just wondering about Stskeeps's comment and whether you had an uptodate hw list? | 15:22 |
| lardman | nomis: en route | 15:23 |
| aquatix | javispedro: you have a link about that Sharp comeback? | 15:23 |
| RST38h | moo all | 15:24 |
| jeremiah | moo RST38h | 15:24 |
| javispedro | aquatix, http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/27/sharps-5-inch-pc-z1-netwalker-honors-the-zaurus-legacy/ | 15:24 |
| RST38h | Official announcement? | 15:24 |
| oilinki | hmm. | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah | 15:24 |
| RST38h | AllAboutSymbian says N900 has 800x600 touch screen =) | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | maemo.nokia.com & press release | 15:24 |
| Razumihin | N900 looks a lot better than i hoped for. | 15:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: why would you trust a Symbian site? :) | 15:25 |
| javispedro | the best good news is the 500€ price, still too high but hey, every penny saved is welcomed. | 15:25 |
| aol_ | it's still too thick | 15:25 |
| Razumihin | It's still too small :) | 15:25 |
| aol_ | 18mm is a lot. but I guess everyone knows nokia is not stopping there | 15:25 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Do I? =) | 15:26 |
| RST38h | too thick, too small, too expensive, and not an iphone | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | aol_: N95 is thicker. No problem for me. | 15:26 |
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| Razumihin | Oh hell i should make some work instead of reading the news ;) | 15:26 |
| javispedro | AllAboutMaemo.com | 15:26 |
| lardman | hmm, I see an si4713 now, which is a TX only device | 15:26 |
| RST38h | what a disaster, right? =) | 15:26 |
| javispedro | already registered | 15:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | AllAboutMaemo.co.ck may be available | 15:27 |
| oilinki | lardman: that was for the fm tx only? thanks. | 15:27 |
| RST38h | Aha, Fennec is announced | 15:27 |
| aquatix | javispedro: interesting device | 15:27 |
| lardman | oilinki: am reading kernel diff, just the first one I've found, there may be others in there | 15:28 |
| oilinki | lardman: sounds like real detective work | 15:28 |
| lardman | I see a TEA5761 | 15:29 |
| lardman | no RDS anything with that though | 15:30 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: that's the one in the N800 | 15:30 |
| oilinki | then another question. can n900 work as wlan accespoint? With 3G/WLAN it could work the same way as JoikuSpot on symbian (ad-hoc ap). | 15:30 |
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| lardman | bcm2048 | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | ti1271 last i saw | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | check out linux kernel for host mode :P | 15:30 |
| lardman | that does Bt + FM receive + RDS receive | 15:30 |
| javispedro | so, not all n900 misteries are solved. | 15:31 |
| tuukkah | hmm, what does "push email" mean in the context of maemo? | 15:31 |
| RST38h | Ah, the keyboard buttons light up and beep when you press them! | 15:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1024px minimum for a tablet site. | 15:31 |
| * RST38h is weeping the tears of extasy now | 15:31 | |
| X-Fade | tuukkah: push mail over 3G. | 15:31 |
| * GeneralAntilles slaps Nokia. | 15:31 | |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, yeah, that's very, very ironic | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | tuukkah: like blackberry etc. | 15:32 |
| ziyourenxiang | are you guys holding the device in your hands? | 15:32 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: that's a wifi module isn't it? | 15:32 |
| RST38h | General: Notice that Fennec is now officially announced | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: oilinki's question | 15:32 |
| RST38h | General: Unless AAS screwed up again of course | 15:32 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: ah no worries :) | 15:32 |
| Myrtti | *sniffles* | 15:32 |
| Myrtti | tuukkah: ohai | 15:33 |
| tuukkah | X-Fade, is there a standard? the material says this supports "mail for exchange" and "favourite services including Microsoft Live Hotmail, Yahoo! Mail, and Google Mail" | 15:33 |
| lardman | see if I2C_BCM2048 is set in the defconfig | 15:33 |
| tuukkah | Myrtti, hai :-) | 15:33 |
| lardman | yeah looks good for that BCM number, there's a driver in there anyway | 15:34 |
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| lardman | CONFIG_I2C_BCM2048=m in the defconfig | 15:34 |
| * lardman is happy now | 15:35 | |
| lardman | and will be happier when someone Nokian releases the dmesg output ;) | 15:35 |
| javispedro | hope that's early | 15:35 |
| javispedro | it's announced, so let's troll tmo until we get some nokian to do it ;) | 15:35 |
| RST38h | Eeeehehe, rotating your finger in clockwise direction zooms in the web page :))) | 15:36 |
| RST38h | Counterclockwise rotation unzooms it | 15:36 |
| lardman | javispedro: +1 | 15:36 |
| javispedro | RST38h, (cheap imitation of pinch gesture) | 15:36 |
| javispedro | btw, the zoom hard buttons are gone? | 15:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Suck an Apple-esque website. | 15:36 |
| RST38h | javis: still there according to pictures | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Easier to do one handed I ia | 15:37 |
| Jaffa | s/ia/imagine/ | 15:37 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: javispedro: Easier to do one handed I imagine | 15:37 |
| javispedro | yeah, don't mind as long as it's an "extra" way to do | 15:37 |
| javispedro | it. | 15:37 |
| RST38h | Notice a very interesting change in their marketing pitches: they now advertise N900 as a device that does everything you home computer can do | 15:37 |
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| * RST38h wondering if they actually stay on this theme and bring up the office tools to Maemo | 15:38 | |
| Jaffa | Or Eclipse ;-) | 15:38 |
| Myrtti | EMAAAACCSSSS | 15:39 |
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| * RST38h throws up at Jaffa | 15:39 | |
| tbf | Jaffa: lol. you don't want to use eclipse with a three-rows keyboard | 15:39 |
| RST38h | (you asked for it Jaffa =)) | 15:39 |
| tbf | Jaffa: for mail and chat three rows are good enough... | 15:39 |
| javispedro | heh, I run Eclipse in a 333Mhz celeron with 192 MiB of RAM, so why it shouldn't run in the N900 ? | 15:39 |
| RST38h | But a working JVM is a must of course | 15:39 |
| tbf | javispedro: because of the small keyboard? | 15:39 |
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| Jaffa | tbf: True | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: I'm not going to hold my breath on that coming from Nokia | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | They better ship something with AT&T 3G bands. | 15:40 |
| javispedro | tbf, well, then pair your wiimote and you get a few extra keys ;) | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | October ship date will suck | 15:40 |
| RST38h | Whoever wondered, Skype is on the new device | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | That better be early October. | 15:40 |
| suihkulokki | javispedro: run? did you mean walk or crawl? | 15:40 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Would be weird if they do not provide MIDP really... | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: *nods* | 15:40 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Actually it is weird nobody has provided single-click installable MIDP by now | 15:40 |
| javispedro | suihkulokki, run. Of course, you have to take care (not autobuilding stuff, etc.) | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're missing scrollbars in that "Full web standards support" screenshot. | 15:41 |
| Macer | windows vista: getting more done just got fun | 15:41 |
| Macer | haha | 15:41 |
| * Macer just simply can not find the relationship between OS install and "fun" | 15:41 | |
| RST38h | Somebody should tell maemo.nokia.com site designer to avoid using "3D letters" feature in his Photoshop | 15:42 |
| Macer | some guy totally screwed up his company laptop | 15:42 |
| Macer | what a bastard | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: maemo.nokia.com if you didn't go already | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:42 |
| Macer | i mean like there was so much spyware and so many trojans... :) | 15:42 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: ? | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | go see. | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:42 |
| RST38h | Aha, Flash is also on the new device | 15:42 |
| javispedro | yeah, old version of flash (< 10) | 15:43 |
| Macer | oh wow | 15:43 |
| RST38h | javis: how do you know? | 15:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Wait 'till the people whine about how they won't be buying it because it's 9.4 ;) | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: you're going to nokia world? congrats | 15:43 |
| RST38h | qwerty: ah screw 'em | 15:43 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Representing the "Maemo community" | 15:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're kidding, right? "Maemo.org" | 15:44 |
| Macer | Maemo is available on the Nokia N900 - a high-performance mobile computer | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: better not be smelling of dead cheese then | 15:44 |
| lardman | work time, bbl | 15:44 |
| Macer | they are calling it a "mobile computer" | 15:44 |
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| Macer | that is great! | 15:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: my sentiments exactly :) | 15:44 |
| Macer | :) | 15:44 |
| javispedro | RST38h, "Flash 9.4 support" http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ | 15:44 |
| RST38h | Macer: they are calling stuff mobile computers since n95 | 15:44 |
| RST38h | javis: fine with me really | 15:44 |
| * Myrtti still loves her N95! | 15:44 | |
| Macer | RST38h: well. they called n8x0s "internet tablets" | 15:44 |
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| jadams | is the n900 multitouch capable? | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | two-touch | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | AFAIK | 15:45 |
| RST38h | javis: Although if I were really concerned I would talk Quim into wrestling flash player source from Adobe | 15:45 |
| Macer | omg | 15:45 |
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| Macer | that thing is absolutely beautiful | 15:45 |
| Khertan | Hello ! | 15:45 |
| Macer | how much will they start selling them for? | 15:45 |
| RST38h | javis: Because FORMALLY that player is "open source" :) | 15:45 |
| Macer | $800? :) | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: 500 eur | 15:45 |
| RST38h | Macer: eur500 | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | before taxes | 15:45 |
| Macer | so $5000 US? | 15:45 |
| Macer | :) | 15:45 |
| RST38h | Macer: $500 for us, I guess | 15:45 |
| Macer | haha | 15:45 |
| Khertan | so 650E in france | 15:46 |
| Macer | RST38h: euro has a little more value than US | 15:46 |
| Khertan | oh my god there is the official announce ! | 15:46 |
| andre__ | RST38h, adobe flash player source? :-D gnash or swfdec might make more sense... (though both don't get many updates anymore it seems...) | 15:46 |
| Macer | like 1.4:1 or something like that? | 15:46 |
| javispedro | I don't give a damn either about flash, as long as youtube does not start using 10 (which I doubt considering this) | 15:46 |
| Macer | i havecn't checked in a while | 15:46 |
| timeless_mbp | nomis: i believe that we don't have any data path setup for RDS | 15:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: @scene FTW | 15:46 |
| timeless_mbp | so it'll be like the fm-radio in the n800 | 15:46 |
| timeless_mbp | possible, but requires plumbing | 15:46 |
| Macer | that isn't too bad though | 15:46 |
| Macer | around $600US or so | 15:46 |
| Macer | i expected it to be higher | 15:46 |
| RST38h | andre: Well, you see, at some point Adobe advertised its flash player as open source, revealed to interested parties | 15:47 |
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| RST38h | andre: I.e. theoretically you CAN get the sources, but you have to be a suit, with some organization behind you | 15:47 |
| Macer | i mean. the e90 was selling for $900 or so when it came out | 15:48 |
| Macer | and it was running symbian | 15:48 |
| Macer | i still don't understand that | 15:48 |
| andre__ | RST38h, ah, i see what you mean | 15:48 |
| jadams | yeah, if it's ~$600 i'll be buying one asap. they're available today? | 15:48 |
| Myrtti | noppe | 15:48 |
| jadams | (well, wait until payday, but...) | 15:48 |
| Myrtti | october | 15:48 |
| jadams | cries | 15:48 |
| jadams | ok | 15:48 |
| jadams | I can live | 15:48 |
| RST38h | andre: If somebody talks Quim into being that suit and a few maemo.org guys step forward to work on the code, this may be possible | 15:48 |
| Macer | you probably won't be able to get one for a while | 15:49 |
| Macer | the world is going to suck them up | 15:49 |
| Macer | like the Wii :-\ | 15:49 |
| andre__ | RST38h, adobe seems to have a busted definition of "open source" if you're allowed to take a look after signing lots of paperwork. with taht argumentation microsoft windows is open source too | 15:49 |
| RST38h | NOTE: DivX codec is not onboard | 15:49 |
| RST38h | andre: Who gives a fuck about their definition? | 15:49 |
| andre__ | hehe | 15:50 |
| RST38h | andre: hey can define it any way they like, I would be only interested in whether there is a way to get the code from them | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: is XviD? :P | 15:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ooh, grats mikkov on bug #5000 | 15:50 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: haha | 15:50 |
| RST38h | Sts: Xvid is there | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | (who cares about divx) | 15:50 |
| Macer | yeah | 15:50 |
| Macer | divx = commercial xvid :) | 15:50 |
| RST38h | General: waiting for bug #6666 now... | 15:51 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, we could have a competition in a few months (years) when we have #8000 when #10000 is going to be filed. mozilla has that from time to time... | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: And it was for me :( | 15:51 |
| Macer | last i checked xvid codecs can play divx | 15:51 |
| Macer | minus the "chapters" | 15:51 |
| RST38h | Hmmm...Nokia is REALLY pushing that "raw computer power" slogan | 15:51 |
| Macer | haha | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | These codecs run on special hardware, they aren't software codecs running on the cpu. | 15:52 |
| ShadowJK | lol at 3 row keyboard being full qwerty | 15:52 |
| RST38h | How long until we get people coming to talk.m.o with complaints about it being slow? | 15:52 |
| Macer | well.. compared to the n8x0.. the newer arm is pretty fast | 15:52 |
| Macer | :) | 15:52 |
| * andre__ filing half a dozen of application manager bugs. sigh | 15:52 | |
| ShadowJK | The "chapters" stuff doesn't depend on codecs anyway | 15:52 |
| Macer | at least i can send Stskeeps my n810 if i can get a hold of an n900 | 15:52 |
| Macer | lol | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | i'd send it to Meizirkki who's N810 screen cracked, heh | 15:53 |
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| ShadowJK | xvid and divx is the same thing, it just depends on the player not being stupid and feeding it to the codec | 15:53 |
| slonopotamus | rkirti != Myrtti != Meizirkki ? | 15:53 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: those are three different people | 15:54 |
| rkirti | slonopotamus: ??????? | 15:54 |
| Myrtti | lolwhut | 15:54 |
| slonopotamus | rkirti, dunno, your nicknames are similar :) | 15:54 |
| Myrtti | the hell they are | 15:54 |
| * Stskeeps passes slonopotamus more vodka | 15:55 | |
| aol_ | err, similar how :D | 15:55 |
| aol_ | all end with i ? :) | 15:55 |
| Macer | oh goddamnit | 15:55 |
| slonopotamus | at least MaceN8x0 == Macer == RepMace? | 15:55 |
| VDVsx | more and more videos: http://ow.ly/15MDIN ;) | 15:56 |
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| RST38h | Shit, I have to go and miss all the fun | 15:57 |
| ShadowJK | hm... skype isn't listed as feature | 15:58 |
| andre__ | ShadowJK, skype is mentioned on maemo.nokia.com | 15:58 |
| zerojay | Skype's integrated in the contacts app now. | 15:58 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: there is a screenshot of skype | 15:58 |
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| zerojay | Collabora just got facebook chat working in fremantle. | 15:59 |
| zerojay | Through contacts. | 15:59 |
| Jaffa | Cool | 15:59 |
| * X-Fade likes the move there you hold the device in one hand and close the slide with the fingers on the back of the device. | 16:00 | |
| ShadowJK | aw, no .mkv support in the media player? :-) | 16:01 |
| RST38h | Somebody will add goddamn .mkv | 16:01 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder how closed-off the media stuff is, if it's possible to use the acceleration for arbitrary content | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | ShadowJK: Just DLNA it ? | 16:01 |
| ShadowJK | huh | 16:01 |
| LoCusF | someone port vlc to it :) | 16:01 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: that would be cheating =) | 16:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | As long as it can play my Pir^H^H^H movies, I'm OK. | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: That would be awesome ;) | 16:01 |
| ShadowJK | X-Fade, that's like transcoding except you need a computer fast enough to do it realtime? | 16:02 |
| X-Fade | Same for sending images and movies to my tv. | 16:02 |
| doc|home | anyone know if there'll be canadian telcos taking on the n900? | 16:03 |
| Corsac | ok so what's this e900? | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | wazd's new Nokla line | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:04 |
| VDVsx | lol | 16:04 |
| doc|home | hehe | 16:04 |
| zerojay | Sweet.. Upload queue for photos that you can tell "wait until i'm on wifi before uploading" | 16:06 |
| Khertan | e900 isn't from nokia ... it s a samsung phone : http://www.mobilegamefaqs.com/newsimgs/E900_lrg.jpg | 16:06 |
| Corsac | is 500€ expensive for a phone like that? | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | i'd say cheap tbh | 16:07 |
| doc|home | I hate to say it, but someone has to. This thing makes the iphone look expensive | 16:07 |
| X-Fade | No | 16:07 |
| doc|home | Corsac: ^ | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | What wants to start the "Jon Reece is a creeper" club? | 16:07 |
| ShadowJK | 500E at the start would be less than many other phones in the same kind of performance class | 16:07 |
| doc|home | Corsac: what would an equivalent storaged iphone set you back? | 16:07 |
| X-Fade | doc|home: This will mean it is free with a 2 year subscription in NL for instance. | 16:07 |
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| Khertan | is 500€ << is it an official price ? | 16:07 |
| doc|home | X-Fade: that's great, hopefully we can get the same in canuckistan | 16:07 |
| Khertan | a world wide ? | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/What/Who/ | 16:07 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Who wants to start the "Jon Reece is a creeper" club? | 16:07 |
| doc|home | Khertan: you might see it for 550 usd | 16:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | One thing's for sure, that's some pretty slick multitasking. | 16:08 |
| doc|home | Khertan: maybe a bit more, that's how they often work | 16:08 |
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| Khertan | 550 usd ... so in french euro it will be 750 | 16:08 |
| zerojay | That's some pretty slick * | 16:08 |
| doc|home | any mention of battery life? | 16:08 |
| Corsac | doc|home: I have no idea how much is an iphone? | 16:08 |
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| Corsac | -? | 16:08 |
| X-Fade | Scrolling desktop is cool too. | 16:08 |
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| ShadowJK | I can't get that video to play, the nokia server is giving me 404 :x | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | doc|home, shouldn't be radically different than the current tablets. | 16:09 |
| doc|home | Khertan: no, they're saying October for ?500 (pre tax and pre carrier subsidy) | 16:09 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Less standby time (i.e., 2-4 days instead of 7-30) because of GSM. | 16:09 |
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| doc|home | that's fine | 16:09 |
| doc|home | hmmm, what would talk time be? | 16:10 |
| ShadowJK | around 4 hours probably | 16:10 |
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| doc|home | erk, not great, but usable at least | 16:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | doc|home, http://www.nokia.com/NOKIA_COM_1/Press/Materials/White_Papers/pdf_files/data_sheets_2009/Nokia_N900_data_sheet.pdf | 16:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 9 on GSM, apparently. | 16:11 |
| Corsac | though the circular zoom is just ridiculous | 16:11 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 16:11 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: 9 hours talk time?! | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | So they claim. | 16:11 |
| Corsac | it's like “we don't have a multi-touch screen but hey, we want to be hype” | 16:11 |
| doc|home | that'd be very good | 16:11 |
| doc|home | afaik | 16:11 |
| Jaffa | Corsac: Why? It's like you're screwing in or out | 16:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, looks very functional to me. | 16:12 |
| doc|home | Corsac: multi-touch is overrated | 16:12 |
| Corsac | sure | 16:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 16:12 |
| Corsac | but the zoom gesture is way more intuitive | 16:12 |
| doc|home | I just want it to be as responsive as an iphone | 16:12 |
| fiferboy | It looks like the circular zoom is continuous within the zoom limits - nice | 16:12 |
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| * hanno congratulates the Maemo team! | 16:12 | |
| nomis | timeless_mbp: that is a pity. Having a RDS decoder in the radio makes listening to radio so much more easier. | 16:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, ever used it? | 16:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's really kind of a pain. | 16:13 |
| nomis | i.e. identifying channels etc. | 16:13 |
| nomis | of course stuff like TMC messages is an added bonus :) | 16:14 |
| timeless_mbp | nomis: you're free to write the code :) | 16:14 |
| Corsac | GeneralAntilles: yes I have | 16:14 |
| Corsac | and it's really intuitive | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corsac, so have I, it's really kind of a pain. | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, you see, different things work well for different people. | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suspect that Nokia's implementation will work well for me. | 16:14 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: any info on telco buy-in for these? | 16:14 |
| Corsac | nomis: anyway FM is going to stop in few years :) | 16:14 |
| nomis | timeless_mbp: Does the Hardware receiver actually decode the RDS? | 16:14 |
| Khertan | multi-touch sucks | 16:15 |
| hanno | Will the N900 be available in other colours than black? | 16:15 |
| * timeless_mbp is a software person | 16:15 | |
| nomis | Corsac: I actually don't believe that. | 16:15 |
| fiferboy | No built-in ogg support. I guess I shouldn't be surprised | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | doc|home, rumor says T-Mobile in the US, but no details. | 16:15 |
| timeless_mbp | hanno: any color you like, as long as it's black | 16:15 |
| timeless_mbp | or so said Henry Ford | 16:15 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: in canada? | 16:15 |
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| X-Fade | doc|home: You guys really have a hard life. With us it will be ALL providers. | 16:15 |
| doc|home | X-Fade: yep, we're constantly in ankle-grab mode up here :( | 16:15 |
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| Stskeeps | http://maemo.nokia.com/developers/ points to internettablettalk.com and not talk.maemo.org | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, meh, somebody write a plugin for MAFW and stick it in Extras. | 16:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | doc|home, no word. | 16:16 |
| X-Fade | doc|home: Yeah, that really sucks. | 16:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, bugs.maemo.org, assign to Quim I guess. | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | and to here, scaringily | 16:16 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: No doubt, but it makes things tricky with, say, the default SDL not having ogg and working around that | 16:16 |
| Corsac | nomis: well, you have to. It'll disappear | 16:16 |
| Corsac | not tomorrow though | 16:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | /topic Hi n00bs. No, it is not a iPhone. | 16:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | *an | 16:16 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: There should be ogg support from TI itself, so that should be pretty easy? | 16:17 |
| doc|home | it's better than! :) | 16:17 |
| Corsac | qwerty12_N810: you'll have to change your nickname, too :) | 16:17 |
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| hanno | Oh, and another question: Is full-screen 800x480 resolution video playback possible this time? | 16:17 |
| Razumihin | Yeah, i think that we will have a little rushour here. | 16:17 |
| fiferboy | X-Fade: That's good news | 16:17 |
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| nomis | Corsac: In Germany DAB exists for like 20 Years or so. So far there is not even a hint of a momentum to pick it up... | 16:17 |
| doc|home | ok, I kinda want it now :( | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | hanno, 720p in MPEG4 should work | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | D1 H.264 | 16:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Corsac: I have qwerty12_N800 registered too :p | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900? :P | 16:18 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: GeneralAntilles: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=316194#post316194 | 16:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Maemo Talk" ?!? | 16:18 |
| Corsac | it's a good time to start registering n900 :) | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | hanno: And even: Capture: MPEG-4 WVGA (800 x 480) at up to 25 fps | 16:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, it's nice when you try so hard to make sure everybody has that straight and Nokia goes and blows all that effort away with a half-assed site launch. :( | 16:18 |
| zerojay | Lol | 16:19 |
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| hanno | X-Fade, GeneralAntilles: Thanks. That's very nice to hear. | 16:20 |
| hanno | Now all I need is a sensible data plan in Germany. (shucks.) | 16:21 |
| doc|home | heh, looks like maemo.nokia.com might be having difficulties | 16:22 |
| doc|home | is slow | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | probably getting bombed by iphone kiddies | 16:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's the Ovi effect | 16:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, an October launch at least gives them time to get some discount codes together. :rolleyes: | 16:23 |
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| roope_ | Hi all. | 16:24 |
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| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: naughty ;-) | 16:25 |
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| Andy80 | GeneralAntilles, it would be GREAT if they could sell them to us at the Summit :) | 16:25 |
| Corsac | mhmh, n900 is already present on nokia.fr website too | 16:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Andy80, it would be great if we didn't have to wait until the damn Summit to get it. | 16:25 |
| Corsac | “available soon”, but still | 16:25 |
| Corsac | http://www.nokia.fr/les-produits/tous-les-mobiles/nokia-n900#/main/landing | 16:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not gonna be much interest in Harmattan if everybody is just getting their tablets then. | 16:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | But typical of Nokia to have already moved on to the next thing by the time their community gets ahold of the current thing. | 16:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better have some AT&T 3G bands is all I've got to say. . . . | 16:26 |
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| Andy80 | GeneralAntilles, I can wait October without problems... the only dubt is: are we sure they're going to repeat discount program :( ? | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Andy80, no idea. | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've been waiting since August 2007. | 16:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm done waiting. | 16:27 |
| lardman|gone | timeless_mbp, nomis: re RDS, good news; at least it leaves something for us to hack on :) | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: The wait is almost over ;) | 16:27 |
| Andy80 | august 2007? | 16:27 |
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| Andy80 | GeneralAntilles, didn't get the discount for N810? | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Andy80, yes, when I was hoping against hope that the N810 shots were for an OMAP3 device. | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Didn't apply. | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't need an N810. | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have an N800 that does everything the N810 does. | 16:28 |
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| Andy80 | ah ok | 16:28 |
| Andy80 | I didn't have a N800 | 16:28 |
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| VDVsx | Corsac, yup, nokia.pt also has it :) | 16:28 |
| lardman | ~lart Virc | 16:29 |
| * infobot duct-tapes Virc to the floor and drools on him | 16:29 | |
| Andy80 | but of course N900 is totally another thing ;) | 16:29 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/e900_2.jpg?w=800&h=800 | 16:29 |
| Andy80 | .it too :) | 16:29 |
| javispedro | hah, N900 forum already. | 16:29 |
| Vulcanis | thats no NIT | 16:30 |
| Vulcanis | its a space station | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, kill the buttons. | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a Symbian thing. | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd also drop thou rounding on the keyboard by %25-50 | 16:31 |
| javispedro | Battery life, active online usage: 1 day? | 16:31 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, I think hardware call buttons for business phone are damn necessary | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/thou/the/ | 16:31 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: I'd also drop the rounding on the keyboard by %25-50 | 16:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Portrait oriented branding clearly wont work, either. | 16:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | So move all that up above the screen. ;) | 16:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Or Nokia logo N900 style and E900 over to the right of the screen. | 16:32 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: you should've kept this device secret, like Nokia ;) | 16:33 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: I should've ask Eldar to post this picture in his blog :D | 16:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Just say it has multitouch, they won't even look at the pic then :p | 16:34 |
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| Khertan | arf | 16:34 |
| VDVsx | btw, Nokia's local site also have some tasty flash previews of the device and OS :) | 16:34 |
| zerojay | Where | 16:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 16:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | jailbreak Maemo 5 | 16:35 |
| VDVsx | zerojay, go to products and select the n900 | 16:36 |
| * javispedro wonders when someone is going to submit "jailbreak" to extras just to make qgil happy ;) | 16:36 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | I could symlink rootsh to jailbreak ;) | 16:36 |
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| Khertan | on nokia.fr ? | 16:37 |
| Khertan | i mean nokia.fi ? | 16:37 |
| LoCusF | anyone else have problems with this: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/image-gallery/ ? | 16:37 |
| VDVsx | Khertan, .fr should has it, at least .pt has | 16:38 |
| Myrtti | LoCusF: the site is bunged up, too much traffic, wouldn't be surprised if you have problems ;-) | 16:38 |
| ShadowJK | wazd, needs some stainless steel too :-) | 16:38 |
| LoCusF | Myrtti: yup :), thought so too :) | 16:38 |
| Andy80 | it's official: some Nokians will show it live at Maemo Summit :) | 16:38 |
| Khertan | .fi didn't know n900 | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: Well duh ;) | 16:39 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: They will show it this weekend at Nokia World too :) | 16:39 |
| Andy80 | X-Fade, yes but most of us will be at the summit, not at the NW :P | 16:39 |
| Khertan | lol .fr didn't have nit in the products list | 16:39 |
| VDVsx | Khertan, http://www.nokia.pt/produtos/todos-os-modelos/nokia-n900#/main/landing | 16:40 |
| VDVsx | Khertan, http://www.nokia.fr/les-produits/tous-les-mobiles/nokia-n900#/main/landing | 16:40 |
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| Jaffa | Nokians "showing it live at the Maemo Summit" is worrying if there aren't developer units already in circulation | 16:41 |
| Jaffa | But perhaps that's more of an external thing | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah, Summit is going to be trouble if people are only getting their hands on it by then. | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | (or after :() | 16:42 |
| JamieBennett | :( | 16:42 |
| nomis | lardman: you got mail. | 16:42 |
| Khertan | VDVsx > expect the first page everything is a 404 errors :) | 16:43 |
| Khertan | but thx | 16:43 |
| VDVsx | lol | 16:43 |
| * Andy80 can only imagine how much they're going to spend in "2 meters black security man" :D | 16:43 | |
| Khertan | i'm reading the pt one :) | 16:44 |
| lardman | nomis: thanks, will take a look now | 16:44 |
| Khertan | Nokia is doing something that i didn't like, like other company, announcing products without selling it at the same time ... or at least announcing a release date... | 16:45 |
| lardman | nomis: uk location list is closed, so will have to reverse engineer that | 16:45 |
| VDVsx | humm, what's the things next to the front camera ? ambient light and ? -> http://www.nokia.pt/produtos/todos-os-modelos/nokia-n900#/gallery/rotateView | 16:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, LED, proximity, ambient, VGA camera. | 16:46 |
| Corsac | mike? | 16:46 |
| Corsac | VDVsx> | 16:46 |
| Khertan | look like light sensir | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: "October" is announced. | 16:46 |
| Khertan | sensor | 16:46 |
| Khertan | jaffa > for us | 16:47 |
| nomis | lardman: ouch, that is evil, since this is just a more or less random "16-bit-number -> Location" mapping. | 16:47 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, ah right, my 5800 also has it :) | 16:47 |
| Khertan | for United State i mean | 16:47 |
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| Khertan | and the price isn't sure too | 16:47 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: Eh? No, it's in the press release "N900 is expected to be available in selected markets in October 2009 and cost 500eur (excl. taxes and subsidies)" | 16:47 |
| ShadowJK | Khertan, they can never win, they used to announce when selling but then they started to announce in advance when people complained :-) | 16:47 |
| Khertan | ShadowJK: i didn't blame them for this | 16:48 |
| lardman | nomis: will have to observe the output + look at the map | 16:48 |
| Khertan | just saying that ME i didn't like that | 16:48 |
| lardman | nomis: or perhaps feed a TomTom with an RDS signal and see what it produces.... :) | 16:48 |
| Corsac | n900 is not on nokiausa.com | 16:49 |
| Khertan | and with the photo on mobile-review.com ... they have surely announce it before that they want to announce it | 16:49 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, there's also a small hole at the bottom (front side, bellow the camera) | 16:49 |
| Andy80 | taxes here are 20%, so.... I expect 599€ for Italy :( | 16:49 |
| Corsac | though n810 isnt either | 16:49 |
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| JamieBennett | VDVsx Mic? | 16:49 |
| Khertan | 20,6% + The Eco Taxes and the other ... we will be around 600 Euros | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: LED | 16:50 |
| nomis | lardman: yeah, still a lot of stupid work. There is a ton of other stuff in these databases, the RDS message basically says "congestion between location 23 and the following three locations in positive direction" | 16:50 |
| aol_ | remember nokia always talks about recommended price | 16:50 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: but "selected markets" doesn't mean nothing right ? | 16:50 |
| Khertan | aol_: true | 16:50 |
| nomis | lardman: so you have a linked list of locations, but this is not in the TMC message, but in the database. | 16:50 |
| aol_ | selected markets probably means only available through nokia.com etc | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Look at the language list. | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Those are the selected markets ;) | 16:51 |
| Khertan | i'm just trying to estimate it ... | 16:51 |
| doc|home | it's good they announced it before. I was considering an iphone but read about this on mobile-review (owning an n800 already) and decided to wait and see. Glad I did now. | 16:51 |
| Khertan | X-Fade: good deduction :) | 16:51 |
| aol_ | there are already rumors of N920 | 16:51 |
| doc|home | aol_: any idea what that is? | 16:51 |
| aol_ | which is RX-71 then I guesS? | 16:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | doc|home, Eldar says early next year. | 16:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | RX-56 | 16:51 |
| Corsac | X-Fade: I don't have any language list :/ | 16:51 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: I don't think the launch strategy will have changed much because of mobile-review - Nokia World's next week, and has been for months ;-) | 16:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | RX-71 is still an unknown. | 16:51 |
| aol_ | GeneralAntilles: ok | 16:51 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: and what's the difference? | 16:51 |
| doc|home | ah, ok, thanks | 16:52 |
| aol_ | what is in RX-56 ? | 16:52 |
| aol_ | any info | 16:52 |
| Jaffa | aol_: None. | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | doc|home, unknown, but Eldar says only slight variations. | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | aol_, N920 | 16:52 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: i though that they will announce it at the bijua world event :) | 16:52 |
| aol_ | yes but specks :) | 16:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | aol_, none known other than "slight variation". | 16:52 |
| Khertan | oups ... Nokia World event i mean :) | 16:52 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: but those variations could be important! :) | 16:52 |
| aol_ | N900 was easy as "everybody" had seen it months ago | 16:52 |
| lardman | nomis: well if I could do RDS injection, I could just run through the codes one by one and write down the location list | 16:53 |
| Jaffa | aol_: N900 was easy because the SDK is littered with RX-51 references. | 16:53 |
| lardman | nomis: am looking to see how much the parts will cost for that | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | doc|home, surely, but no info here. | 16:53 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: *nod* thanks | 16:53 |
| aol_ | Jaffa: that too | 16:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | tekojo, can you go find somebody in the office to kick about all the maemo.nokia.com bugs? | 16:53 |
| lardman | nomis: https://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-usa-07/Barisani_and_Bianco/Whitepaper/bh-usa-07-barisani_and_bianco-WP.pdf | 16:54 |
| Khertan | https://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-usa-07/Barisani_and_Bianco/Whitepaper/bh-usa-07-barisani_and_bianco-WP.pdf<<<<---- arf ... i ve already do interesting things with rds | 16:56 |
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| slonopotamus | maemo.nokia.com looks really weird in microb | 16:56 |
| lardman | Khertan: what hw do you use? | 16:56 |
| Khertan | like announcing that is news ... and force it to switch to specific frequency :) | 16:56 |
| lardman | ah ok :) | 16:56 |
| nomis | lardman: yeah, you'd need to feed RDS into a device with the LCL included. | 16:56 |
| Khertan | lardman: an home made one ... with a zaurus to pilot it | 16:56 |
| Khertan | but i ve do that 2 years ago | 16:56 |
| fiferboy | I assume being able to have a mouse cursor in the browser means being able to see mouse-overs and hovers? | 16:56 |
| wazd | Maemo.nokia.com is under DDoS I suppose :) | 16:57 |
| zerojay | Yes | 16:57 |
| lardman | am wondering what the Garmin/TomTom receivers output. I guess it's serial. I need to be able to see the decoded locations somehow and don't own a TomTom/etc | 16:57 |
| nomis | lardman: I suspect that all those TMC "devices" to attach to navigation devices will just output the raw RDS groups. | 16:58 |
| Khertan | the most important rds feature : traffice announce | 16:58 |
| nomis | lardman: so you can update the LCL and the Encryption-parameter-table by a firmware update in the navigation device, or reading from the SD card. | 16:58 |
| lardman | nomis: they say they come with the subscription built in | 16:58 |
| lardman | hmm, fair enough | 16:59 |
| nomis | lardman: that only means that the navigation device feels allowed to use the builtin tables. | 16:59 |
| lardman | yeah, ok | 16:59 |
| nomis | (pure guess, but a lot of the RDS encryption stuff seems very security-by-obscurity-ish) | 16:59 |
| lardman | yes indeed | 16:59 |
| nomis | there is wording in the iso standards that puts responsibility on the device manufacturers. | 17:00 |
| wazd | hahaha | 17:00 |
| wazd | Check it out | 17:00 |
| wazd | Free software - http://maemo.nokia.com/img/maemo-select-intro-bg.jpg, Closed software - http://maemo.nokia.com/images/app-screens/foreca-thumb.png | 17:01 |
| Khertan | the thing that i didn't understand with this announce is this new web site maemo.nokia.com | 17:01 |
| Khertan | it s annoying to have things so separated from maemo.org | 17:01 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: What don't you understand? We can help, cos it's been public knowledge that they were doing a new end-user site since Maemo 5 was announced. | 17:02 |
| wazd | Khertan: btw, damn you with your Shang-Tsung E900 :D | 17:02 |
| Khertan | wazd :) | 17:02 |
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| Khertan | Jaffa: ha ... just a public knowledge that i ven 't hear or read :) | 17:02 |
| Khertan | but why made a new end-user ? | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Was even mentioned at the last Summit. | 17:03 |
| Khertan | humm ... i ven't understand it like this so | 17:03 |
| Khertan | i was more thinking on something more oriented to the hardware aspect ... | 17:04 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: The theory being that maemo.nokia.com is for the mass market, and maemo.org is for the engaged users | 17:04 |
| doc|home | oh, sweet, wazd linked to a photo which includes headphones. Those things are much better than the POS ones you got with the n900. | 17:04 |
| doc|home | they seal into the inner ear which is a big advantage | 17:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, maemo.org is the minefield where the community can play | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.nokia.com is where regular users go who don't want to be blown up. | 17:05 |
| Vulcanis | maemo.org = bombs are slung like cake at a buffet | 17:06 |
| wazd | doc|home: they're kinda short | 17:06 |
| Vulcanis | maemo.nokia.org = the buffet serves the bombs | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | doc|home, much, MUCH, nicer TI headphone amp in the device, too. | 17:06 |
| doc|home | wazd: hehehe | 17:06 |
| Khertan | hum ... why not ... | 17:06 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: oh, you know what I'd love, and pay good money for? a mic cord that you can plug your headphones into so you don't *have* to use the included ones | 17:06 |
| * doc|home bought sennheisers earphones for a reason | 17:07 | |
| doc|home | -s | 17:07 |
| Jaffa | doc|home: My SE phones have done that the past two I had | 17:07 |
| doc|home | Jaffa: hmmm, wonder if these will too | 17:07 |
| doc|home | and now I've to go to work :( later | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | doc|home: Same connector as all previous ones. | 17:08 |
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| X-Fade | doc|home: Pretty default for Nokia | 17:08 |
| doc|home | X-Fade: you lost me. Do those cords exist already? | 17:08 |
| ShadowJK | doc|home, I have a cord like that | 17:08 |
| doc|home | ShadowJK: link? | 17:08 |
| doc|home | sorry, of where you can buy them | 17:08 |
| ShadowJK | uh, let me find them and see if they have a model number :) | 17:08 |
| doc|home | thanks | 17:08 |
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| ShadowJK | it's this extension cord, on the end there's this little widget with play/pause stop next/previous and volume buttons, microphone and a 3.5 mm headphone output | 17:09 |
| doc|home | someone asked about skype: http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo-select/ has "Skype will be available soon!" | 17:09 |
| doc|home | ShadowJK: great | 17:09 |
| javispedro | no video skype = fail | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, I think my 5800 came with a cord like that. | 17:10 |
| doc|home | javispedro: use a sip client | 17:10 |
| zerojay | Lol... Riiight | 17:10 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: yeah, N95 did too. | 17:10 |
| doc|home | ok then, all's great in the cord world :) | 17:10 |
| javispedro | don't get me wrong, I'm not a Skype fan, but it sucks for ... Skype. | 17:10 |
| * doc|home really going to work now | 17:10 | |
| javispedro | "Nokia is based in Finland, it's cold there, capacitive screens don't work well." :D | 17:13 |
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| Razumihin | What te fuck is wrong with people and those capacitive screens. | 17:14 |
| Razumihin | Because apple uses them they must be the best? | 17:14 |
| lardman | nomis: http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=54933 | 17:14 |
| nomis | capacitive screens usually have less precision. | 17:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Razumihin, yeah, it's about as silly as the whole Tegra thing. | 17:14 |
| Razumihin | Yeah. | 17:15 |
| Razumihin | And i'm getting bored to it also :) | 17:15 |
| javispedro | Tegra... [sigh] | 17:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I love the comments about how everybody using Cortex should "upgrade" to Tegra. | 17:15 |
| javispedro | yeah, read a few already | 17:16 |
| nomis | (but capacitive screen enable nice hard glass surfaces...) | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | nomis, that break really nicely when dropped. | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | My sister's iPhone was trashed by a 4' fall to hard wood. | 17:16 |
| javispedro | I've seen resistive glass screens | 17:17 |
| ShadowJK | doc|home, I seem to have Nokia AD-54 | 17:17 |
| javispedro | I believe Palm sold one of those in the Tungsten line.... I might be wrong tho. | 17:17 |
| ShadowJK | the buttons don't work with N810 :-) | 17:17 |
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| nomis | lardman: mhm, not sure what to make of this. | 17:17 |
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| nomis | GeneralAntilles: heh :) | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | ShadowJK: They do, but not with the default player. | 17:17 |
| lardman | nomis: I still need to find some software that contains the table though | 17:18 |
| ShadowJK | X-Fade, oh? | 17:18 |
| nomis | lardman: yeah. Analyzing firmware updates for navigation devices might be more promising than trying to decode them one-by-one by feeding them into a device. | 17:19 |
| lardman | yeah | 17:19 |
| javispedro | someone confusing FM with IR in engadget... [sigh again] | 17:20 |
| aol_ | I wonder what the iPhone guys say when apple releases it's tablet with resistive screen :D | 17:20 |
| javispedro | aol_, same thing nokia says when they release a nokbook with windows xp | 17:20 |
| javispedro | "It's better suitted to the consumers we want to target with this horrible device". | 17:21 |
| javispedro | then engage the rdf field and forget about it. | 17:21 |
| ShadowJK | doc|home, it came in a bundle with HS-45 headset (I threw it away), kinda pricey at 18E | 17:21 |
| aol_ | nokbook will ship with win7 :) | 17:21 |
| ShadowJK | I can't find it sold anywhere anymore though :( | 17:21 |
| javispedro | aol_, same thing ;) | 17:22 |
| ShadowJK | Oh, Amazon has it at £6.85 | 17:22 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Confusing FM with IR?! | 17:22 |
| aol_ | and I think the booklet is very cool! | 17:22 |
| aol_ | don't worry I'm sure Nokia will do a linux booklet as well :) | 17:23 |
| aol_ | ARM based | 17:23 |
| javispedro | Jaffa, sic. | 17:23 |
| javispedro | some commenter, not the blogger. | 17:23 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: Well, the commenters *are* the best | 17:24 |
| aol_ | I wonder why TechCruch don't write about the N900 | 17:24 |
| aol_ | they write about every silly iPhone app | 17:24 |
| javispedro | after reading all 120~ish of them I still want more, not enough LMAO. | 17:24 |
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| Jaffa | TechCrunch are too busy writing about a fire at Google UK atm | 17:25 |
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| zap | Anyone has seen photos of the top edge of N900? All photos I've seen on the net seems to avoid showing whats there | 17:25 |
| javispedro | lol, so the definite device has "ARM Cortex" written on the back?? | 17:26 |
| aol_ | I mean they wrote about the piece-of-crap sharp device? | 17:26 |
| aol_ | but not N900 | 17:26 |
| aol_ | or is it because they all sleep with Steve, and they have not woken up yet | 17:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | aol_: it's a shit site, then. Their loss :) | 17:26 |
| javispedro | lol, I like the landscape->portrait animation | 17:26 |
| javispedro | did they really make it? do the buttons "flip"? | 17:26 |
| javispedro | my mind boggles if they implemented that in gtk. | 17:27 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: It's just compositing the window, surely? | 17:27 |
| javispedro | Jaffa, individual buttons flip. | 17:27 |
| javispedro | that would mean either each hildonbutton is a clutter actor, something else, or that the video is a good photoshop job | 17:27 |
| tuukkah | zap, see here: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/360/ | 17:28 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Timestamp & video? | 17:28 |
| zap | tuukkah: thanks! | 17:28 |
| javispedro | Jaffa, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhTtsZATwBQ 1:05 | 17:29 |
| javispedro | I guess the background flips too, so I may be wrong | 17:29 |
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| puelocesar | Hi all, is there any way to get discounts on N900 by developing applications for it? | 17:32 |
| javispedro | lol Compactive touch screen. youtube is MUCH, MUCH better than engadget ;) | 17:32 |
| javispedro | puelocesar, no, you have to pay $90/year to develop for it like the iphone | 17:32 |
| javispedro | joking of course :D | 17:32 |
| puelocesar | :P | 17:32 |
| Razumihin | :DD This is hilarious. | 17:32 |
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| Jaffa | puelocesar: Previous Maemo devices have had a device discount programme you could apply to. Obviously, having started writing the app in the SDK and publishing screenshots on talk.maemo.org will probably help your case if there is one this time. | 17:33 |
| puelocesar | oh, I already have one for Diablo | 17:34 |
| JamieBennett | A pretty cynical Luis Villa on Identi.ca - http://identi.ca/tieguy | 17:34 |
| puelocesar | :P but it will be useless on N900 | 17:34 |
| javispedro | "Trust me, this is only the beginning. Soon there will be capacitive touch screen maemo phone. " | 17:34 |
| javispedro | ~burn them | 17:35 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over them, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 17:35 | |
| puelocesar | thanks Jaffa, I'll search for that | 17:36 |
| wazd | damn, that promo soundtrack absolutely blows my mind :D | 17:36 |
| Jaffa | puelocesar: None has been announced for the N900 yet | 17:37 |
| Jaffa | wazd: I'm in the office so haven't heard it yet | 17:37 |
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| puelocesar | ah ok, but let's hope that it will be! These high end phones are *very* expensive here on Brasil | 17:38 |
| puelocesar | like, two or three times more expensive then europe | 17:38 |
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| puelocesar | By the way, anyone interessed on a gmail client for Maemo Diablo? I'm very interested on tips on how to improve my code: http://puelocesar.wordpress.com | 17:39 |
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| Khertan | puelocesar ... i don't think running the webkit is the best solution | 17:42 |
| * Stskeeps wonders if korbé is a troll | 17:42 | |
| Khertan | it s eat many cpu ressources .... | 17:42 |
| Khertan | korbé ... the guy which post under the nickname korbé on maemofr.org ? | 17:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: "Oh no, it's not 100% open source. WTF am I gonna do now?!!!" | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: and on talk.maemo.org :P | 17:43 |
| * javispedro wants more idiot comments to read | 17:44 | |
| puelocesar | Khertan: well, I using it everyday, and it's pretty smooth, but of course I use it without many other things open | 17:44 |
| Khertan | puelocesar ... without anything else open i can't say it smooth | 17:44 |
| puelocesar | smooth it's the same of fast | 17:45 |
| Khertan | yes i understood | 17:45 |
| Khertan | i just want to say that with everything close, no background daemon eating cpu ... i found that is too slow ... | 17:45 |
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| puelocesar | you installed on your device? | 17:46 |
| puelocesar | nice :) | 17:46 |
| Khertan | ps i ve do one too in python and gtk-webkit | 17:46 |
| Khertan | but you use the qt one ... and it works better | 17:47 |
| Khertan | yes it s still installed on my device :) | 17:47 |
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| javispedro | no mainstream blogger at all knows the first thing about maemo. sad but true. will that change with the n900? | 17:47 |
| Khertan | but now i use more the rss to read mail | 17:47 |
| zerojay | Already has changed. | 17:47 |
| Khertan | <javispedro> no mainstream blogger at all knows the first thing about maemo <<< nope this will not change ... there is no the magic word ... iPhone | 17:48 |
| javispedro | you mean there's no Reality Distortion Field ;) | 17:48 |
| puelocesar | the advantage of this approach, is that you can star, mark as unread, mark as spam and other things like that | 17:49 |
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| mikkov_ | N900 doesn't have MMS support? | 17:50 |
| Mek | it doesn't seem to, no... | 17:50 |
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| javispedro | so, the Maemo App Store is going to be called Maemo Select? | 17:54 |
| nomis | Maemo-Apptitude? :) | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Maemo Select is just a selection of maemo.org Downloads apps. | 17:55 |
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| javispedro | X-Fade, ah, much like the OS2008 user site then? | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, yeah, maemo.nokia.com is just Tableteer reborn. | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | This is the Maemo 5 user site yes ;) | 17:55 |
| javispedro | heh, diablo microb runs out of memory trying to open it | 17:57 |
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| javispedro | [reading some more idiot comments] I hereby propose the new corporate motto for Nokia (instead of the current pedo one): Nokia. Is it a phone? (sound of the nokia tune) | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: there's a video for n900 that has the nokia tune in the end. | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | to illustrate "yes, it's a phone" | 17:59 |
| Khertan | puelocesar > and answer ... this is why i'm still thinking on how to optimize it | 17:59 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps, lol :D | 18:00 |
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| javispedro | wow, Dataviz is going to port DocsToGo to Maemo? | 18:02 |
| javispedro | WordToGo, we meet again... [sigh for third time today] | 18:03 |
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| tbf | Stskeeps: even more to tell: "iPhone, we'll get you!" | 18:04 |
| tbf | Stskeeps: that video seems to mock on some iPhone ad | 18:05 |
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| Khertan | wow, Dataviz is going to port DocsToGo to Maemo? < --- where did you see this ? | 18:10 |
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| javispedro | Khertan, http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/N900 | 18:12 |
| javispedro | under "Messaging" | 18:12 |
| javispedro | considering it's known DataViz has had a "native" GNU/Linux port for at least year, makes sense. | 18:13 |
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| wazd | "portrait (for voice calls) modes" :( | 18:14 |
| javispedro | wazd, yeah, actually zerojay mentioned the phone app opens when you put it in portrait mode | 18:15 |
| Khertan | javispedro ? really | 18:16 |
| Khertan | you mean each time you turn it of 90° it open the phone app ? | 18:16 |
| javispedro | Khertan, dunno where zerojay got that from.... | 18:16 |
| zerojay | Yes. | 18:16 |
| Khertan | i ll found this feature annoying ... | 18:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, I'd suspect it's only from the desktop. | 18:17 |
| zerojay | It's in the videos. | 18:17 |
| Khertan | but.... it s open source ... so i ll unactive it | 18:17 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:17 |
| zerojay | I think it's optional anyways. | 18:17 |
| oilinki | 3D Accelerometer, Proximity Sensor | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | proximity? :P ALS? :P | 18:18 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder when manufacturers will include gyros :) | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | a compass would have been good for AR though | 18:19 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, compass would have been great. | 18:19 |
| X-Fade | Still hoping for that easter egg ;) | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | current active users on talk 496.. i wonder if it would reach 637 or higher | 18:19 |
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| ShadowJK | AR? | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | augmented reality | 18:21 |
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| xnt14 | maemo.nokia.com OMFG!!!! | 18:21 |
| wirelessdreamer | http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ /drool | 18:21 |
| wirelessdreamer | its finally official | 18:21 |
| * xnt14 faints | 18:21 | |
| xnt14 | :):):):):) | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:21 |
| zerojay | Yeah, welcome to 6 hours ago. ;) | 18:21 |
| ShadowJK | How crap are compasses these days... i've never seen an electronic one accurate/responsive/calibrated enough to be useful | 18:21 |
| wirelessdreamer | available soon . . . wants soon to be . . . sooner | 18:21 |
| xnt14 | :P, I just woke up :P | 18:22 |
| *** GeneralAntilles changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Summit 2009: Call for Content Now Open! -> http://tinyurl.com/mvbcdy | Maemo Summit 2009: Registration now open - http://tinyurl.com/lumhbk" | 18:22 | |
| Khertan | [17:17] <zerojay> I think it's optional anyways. <<< if it s not i ll make it anyway | 18:22 |
| xnt14 | now lets hope nokia doesn't screw this one up like the n810 compass | 18:22 |
| xnt14 | *gps | 18:22 |
| Khertan | <xnt14> :P, I just woke up :P < this is not a reason | 18:22 |
| xnt14 | w/e | 18:22 |
| Khertan | you can put alarm on your n810 to wake up you each time something is publish on internet containing the word 'n900' | 18:23 |
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| zerojay | Use google news alerts. :) | 18:24 |
| xnt14 | :) | 18:24 |
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| wirelessdreamer | there is a mailing list you can sign up for at the bottom of the page to be alerted when the n900 is released | 18:24 |
| xnt14 | I woke up, and check twitter on my ipod....xD | 18:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | wirelessdreamer: once, and only once | 18:25 |
| timeless_mbp | unless of course you're under 15 in which case their English is so bad, that I can't figure out what would happen :) | 18:25 |
| wirelessdreamer | they'll email you to see if its ok to email you? ;) | 18:26 |
| wirelessdreamer | and most important . . . ITS A PHONE !!! | 18:26 |
| wirelessdreamer | not just a rumor it might be | 18:27 |
| zerojay | I am just glad it means no more tethering. | 18:27 |
| wirelessdreamer | I wonder about the "internet calling" option | 18:27 |
| zerojay | What about it? | 18:27 |
| wirelessdreamer | only have to carry 1 device | 18:27 |
| javispedro | well, if you're under 15, they'll follow their "Privacy Policy" when processing your address ;) | 18:28 |
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| wirelessdreamer | so can I get an account with a voip service and make/recieve calls through them | 18:28 |
| wirelessdreamer | so use an unlimited 10/month voip service when at home for calls | 18:29 |
| lardman | hmm, nokia.co.uk hasn't heard of the N900 yet | 18:29 |
| * timeless_mbp takes a moment to rotfl | 18:29 | |
| wirelessdreamer | even though tmobile already has top 5 with unlimited | 18:29 |
| timeless_mbp | did anyone else notice the *other* n900 that was announced last week? | 18:29 |
| wirelessdreamer | ? | 18:30 |
| zerojay | The chinese one? | 18:30 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 18:30 |
| qwerty12 | The one on mobile-review you mean? ;) | 18:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't read reviews | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, you mean the N920 that was announced. I'm pretty sure any Nokians in the room should feel free to talk about it now. ;) | 18:30 |
| zerojay | That's not a review. Heh. | 18:30 |
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| Andy80 | GeneralAntilles, N920? where? | 18:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Andy80, according to Eldar | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | RX-56 | 18:40 |
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| javispedro | bah, a comment saying that this 500€ phone is going to be the "entry device". what are they smoking? | 18:43 |
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| Andy80 | javispedro, don't know what, but we'll be able to buy some in Amsterdam, for sure :D | 18:46 |
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| oilinki | lack of mms will raise a hilarious talk later on (as it was with iphone before :) | 18:53 |
| ShadowJK | there's no mms? :) | 18:54 |
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| oilinki | at least on the messaging specs only im and sms. | 18:54 |
| javispedro | I am yet to send a single MMS, ever. | 18:54 |
| oilinki | I have.. even created some with smil, but.. send about once a year. | 18:55 |
| javispedro | (probably because last time I checked it was nearly 3€ for a few kilobytes one) | 18:55 |
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| zerojay | I don't know a single person that has ever sent an mms. | 18:55 |
| * Jaffa has sent a couple, but my camera's always been crap | 18:55 | |
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| Khertan | <zerojay> I don't know a single person that has ever sent an mms. << it usefull sometimes for sending a mini photo to people which don't have email | 18:56 |
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| oilinki | but even if none is actually using it. it was the talk before and therefore there will be some talk with maemo as well | 18:56 |
| zerojay | Why wouldn't i just up the pic to flickr? | 18:56 |
| zerojay | Unless it's n00ds. | 18:56 |
| Khertan | because not everybody have a network connection | 18:57 |
| zerojay | So they wouldn't get an mms either then. | 18:57 |
| oilinki | Khertan: btw, where are you from? | 18:57 |
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| Khertan | france | 18:57 |
| oilinki | ok | 18:58 |
| Khertan | mms work without data | 18:58 |
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| oilinki | mms need data connection for the message delivery | 18:58 |
| zerojay | It's the same. | 18:58 |
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| zerojay | They just charge you differently. | 18:58 |
| ShadowJK | sometims they just the same APN as internet, sometimes they have different walled-in net for mms | 18:59 |
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| xnt14 | wait, is the n900 going to be sold unlocked? | 19:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | xnt14, of course. | 19:10 |
| tbf | xnt14: yes, no jail breaking needed. | 19:10 |
| xnt14 | :) | 19:10 |
| tbf | xnt14: you just have to enable R&D mode and you are free to brick it | 19:10 |
| xnt14 | so I can just go to t-mobile get a sim with unlimited data + myfaves, and just pop it in my n900? | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | tbf, R&D required? | 19:10 |
| xnt14 | tbf, ? | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quim's blog seems to show otherwise. | 19:10 |
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| tbf | GeneralAntilles: on the hardware i've seen: yes. | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh well. | 19:11 |
| ShadowJK | xnt14, can't you do that with any phone not crippled/mutilated by operators? | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hello easyroot. | 19:11 |
| tbf | GeneralAntilles: maybe they changed this last minute, but afaik you sill have to enable R&D mode to get full access | 19:11 |
| tbf | GeneralAntilles: but that's just a matter of calling flasher | 19:11 |
| xnt14 | ShadowJK, ;) | 19:11 |
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| xnt14 | hmm | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | tbf, or installing a package from Extras. | 19:12 |
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| xnt14 | btw I wonder what would happen is apple made jet fighters...... Introducing the new iFighter! (which you have to jailbreak inorder to get it in the air | 19:12 |
| xnt14 | or if microsoft made helis..... | 19:13 |
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| qwerty12 | No, it'd fly but you wouldn't be able to pilot it ;) | 19:13 |
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| xnt14 | MS XPCopter Professional edition, with extremly fragile wings :P | 19:14 |
| xnt14 | qwerty12, ;) | 19:14 |
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| xnt14 | and once you buy an iFighter, you would need to buy a crappy crippled by att autopilot from the appstore :P | 19:14 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 19:15 |
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| wazd | btw, task switcher reminds me something :) http://s55.radikal.ru/i149/0812/b5/92f028b7e350.jpg | 19:20 |
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| xnt14[away] | wazd, iphone mobile safari tabs switcher? | 19:22 |
| tuukkah | wazd, or exposé, or compiz :-) | 19:22 |
| Gadgetoid | Hmm USB host fail! | 19:23 |
| xnt14[away] | or liqbase task switching..... | 19:23 |
| wazd | xnt14[away]: oh well, yeah, looks like Safari :D Haven't seen it before :) | 19:24 |
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| xnt14[away] | :) | 19:24 |
| wazd | xnt14[away]: but I have the cross in the right place :) | 19:25 |
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| ShadowJK | So like, has anyone yet said that N900 looks friggin awesome? | 19:26 |
| xnt14[away] | wazd, yup ;) | 19:26 |
| wazd | ShadowJK: nope, I think it suck balls | 19:26 |
| xnt14[away] | ShadowJK, it looks awesome to me ;P | 19:26 |
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| wazd | ShadowJK: iPhone ripoff :D | 19:26 |
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| wazd | how can I jailbreak my lovely iPhone 3GS btw? | 19:28 |
| * wazd looks for a shelter :D | 19:28 | |
| xnt14[away] | wazd, you live in russia right? :P | 19:28 |
| wazd | xnt14[away]: nono, indonesia :D | 19:28 |
| xnt14[away] | oh :P | 19:29 |
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| xnt14[away] | I heard you mentioning moscow a while back | 19:29 |
| wazd | xnt14[away]: fire your missiles there :D | 19:29 |
| wazd | xnt14[away]: yeah, I'm from Moscow | 19:29 |
| Macer | haha | 19:29 |
| xnt14[away] | :P | 19:29 |
| xnt14[away] | well when you go back to russia, say hi to the iphone devteam for me xD | 19:30 |
| Macer | in communist russia we use phones in space program | 19:30 |
| wazd | Macer: soviet russia :) | 19:30 |
| Macer | soviet? | 19:30 |
| Macer | does soviet mean communist? | 19:31 |
| aol_ | I'm from Soviet Finland | 19:31 |
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| wazd | Macer: in soviet russia, iphone jailbreaks you :) | 19:31 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, they gave a phone to the cosmonauts after that one time they missed their landing site by thousands of kilometres and landed in a forrest and had to fight off Wolves to survive | 19:31 |
| Macer | haha | 19:31 |
| xnt14[away] | lol | 19:31 |
| ShadowJK | true story | 19:31 |
| ShadowJK | srsly | 19:31 |
| xnt14[away] | one thing I have to see if I go to russia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-225 | 19:31 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: with only knives? | 19:31 |
| * lardman wonders why Nokia.co.uk is always slow getting new products up | 19:31 | |
| wazd | oh, I've noticed interesting thing | 19:31 |
| Macer | or crude tools they made in the forest? | 19:32 |
| wazd | space around the screen is touchable too | 19:32 |
| Macer | haha | 19:32 |
| Macer | does it run maemo5? | 19:32 |
| wazd | swipe from the left side of the screen | 19:32 |
| xnt14[away] | :P | 19:32 |
| xnt14[away] | wazd, the n900? | 19:32 |
| wazd | xnt14[away]: yep, or maybe it just calculates that you've started to move from the first pixel | 19:33 |
| xnt14[away] | wait you have a n900 right now? | 19:33 |
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| xnt14[away] | o.0 | 19:33 |
| wazd | xnt14[away]: no, relax :) | 19:33 |
| xnt14[away] | oh xD | 19:33 |
| wazd | xnt14[away]: just watching video :) | 19:33 |
| xnt14[away] | :) | 19:34 |
| xnt14[away] | linkey? :P | 19:34 |
| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE | 19:34 |
| xnt14[away] | thanks ;) | 19:34 |
| aol_ | wazd: what point in that movie? | 19:34 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, oh sorry, I remembered wrong, they added a gun to the survival kit after the wolves incident :) | 19:34 |
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| wazd | aol_: well, it shows live experience, not pre-rendered stuff | 19:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, NokiaUSA is worse. | 19:36 |
| wazd | btw, I was mentioning mouse pointer in browser long ago too :P | 19:36 |
| aol_ | would be rather bad survive russian space mission just to be ripped to pieces by tigers, bears and wolves | 19:36 |
| aol_ | wazd: no I meant which part you can see the touch outside screen | 19:37 |
| mikkov_ | soviet space program has some funny landing incidents. Once the capsule landed to the bottom of a lake :) | 19:37 |
| aol_ | wazd: just interested to see it my self | 19:37 |
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| wazd | aol_: 1:42 | 19:37 |
| xnt14[away] | wait quim quil already has the n900? | 19:37 |
| xnt14[away] | 0.o | 19:37 |
| xnt14[away] | lucky......... | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | Well, yeah... | 19:38 |
| wazd | xnt14[away]: sure he is :) | 19:38 |
| xnt14[away] | :P | 19:38 |
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| aol_ | too bad not much can be discussed about the real experiences | 19:38 |
| aol_ | but looking at those videos it looks cool | 19:39 |
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| aol_ | wazd: yeah hard to say if it's just dragging from pixel 0 or if the screen is touch ware from left side | 19:40 |
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| ShadowJK | Macer, oh there was also that one where they accidentally re-entered the atmosphere upside down with the heatshield facing the wrong way | 19:47 |
| ShadowJK | rubber gaskets inside were starting to smoke and catch fire, but luckily some parts of the spacecraft broke off causing it to flip over and face heatshield the right way | 19:48 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: the European sites seem to be offering it for presale already | 19:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Watch them not sell it unlocked in the US. | 19:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If I have to tether to get 3G I'm brining a bag of hurt with me to the Summit. | 19:48 |
| zerojay | Lol | 19:49 |
| ShadowJK | The flying upside down thing pushed him off course alot, and to make it even more fun, the parachute lines entangled themselves so the parachute didn't deploy properly. The braking rockets also failed, and the thing landed so hard that he broke his teeth. He found himself in -39C russian winter, and the rescue crew found him eventually by following the trail of blood in the snow :-) | 19:49 |
| ShadowJK | that would've been a nice situation to, like, have a homing beacon or a phone | 19:50 |
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| kirma | can anyone point me towards a resource that'd tell what in N900 installation would not be open source (I assume lots of base user applications, but what else?) | 19:50 |
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| zerojay | Battery stuff. | 19:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | kirma, UI differentiation stuff and some hardware stuff. | 19:50 |
| zerojay | Accelerated opengl drivers for the imap | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Basically the 3 things Nokia differentiates on are UI, connectivity and powersaving. | 19:51 |
| kirma | well, this "some hardware" interests me mightily | 19:51 |
| javispedro | you make it sound like if everything was closed source :P | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then add in anything else they can't get 3rd parties to license. | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like the OpenGL libraries. | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | WLAN and Bluetooth should be open | 19:51 |
| awilkins | Question : Does the N900 have a magnetometer? Or an accelerometer? And if not, doesn't this make it outclassed in the Augmented Reality area that iPhone and the Androids handsets are starting to penetrate? | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | WL1271 from TI | 19:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | awilkins, accelerometer, unknown on the compass. | 19:52 |
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| kirma | awilkins: I think specs say that there's accelerometer | 19:52 |
| zerojay | Accelerometer is in. | 19:52 |
| kirma | and certainly there's some sort of orientation sensor | 19:52 |
| javispedro | Augmented Reality Fade, I'd say. Where's my permanent 3D glasses? | 19:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | magnetometer is _really_ nice for augmentation. Or gyros - but those have problems of their own, and are more expensive than compasses. | 19:53 |
| kirma | regarding closed source, people are just speculating to what extent one could recompile/modify and reinstall the open source components on N900 without losing the closed source component functionality... | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | kirma: | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mer | 19:53 |
| infobot | from memory, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 19:53 |
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| Khertan | the n900 is sold on nokia.de | 19:54 |
| Khertan | you can already bought it | 19:54 |
| kirma | well, I, and those folks are not GPL fanatics or such, but people that actually see value in closed source parts :) | 19:55 |
| Luke-Jr | kirma: there is no value in closed source things | 19:55 |
| Khertan | nokia.fr didn't know what is a n810 ... so i don't expect seeing n900 soon :) | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | kirma, Nokia's relicensing their own 1st-party closed source components. | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | and working with 3rd parties to improve their licensing. | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a list of the binary blobs? | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, as we don't have the final image yet, no. | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I suspect it'll be mostly limited to OpenGL. | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: some things require closed source prettymuch - GSM for example. | 19:56 |
| Luke-Jr | SpeedEvil: no. | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | ofono.org | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know if ofono is ready for Fremantle yet, however. | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: though I assume that's on another core | 19:57 |
| Luke-Jr | if N900 requires anything closed source, I most probably won't be buying it | 19:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | I assume the image will vary per carrier. If it's subsidised. | 19:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Luke-Jr, excellent, then you can quiet down about it now. | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | OpenGL is closed. So, check and check. | 19:58 |
| SpeedEvil | You don't have to use opengl I suppose. | 19:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | You do if you want to run Maemo, though. | 19:59 |
| lardman | hmm, so I've just downloaded shareware quake but it won't start (a window flashes up then vanishes) any ideas? | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | probably. | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | The desktop kinda mandates the use of it. | 19:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Definitely. | 19:59 |
| lardman | running on a WinXP machine | 19:59 |
| kirma | khertan: well, it says "coming soon", even if you can order it | 20:00 |
| kirma | that may mean well over a month of waiting. | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Word is October, sadly. | 20:00 |
| Khertan | kirma ... ah so my german is not so good | 20:00 |
| Khertan | :) | 20:00 |
| Khertan | thanks for the precision | 20:00 |
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| * mgedmin *hopes* the N900 will become available around the time for the Maemo Summit | 20:01 | |
| kirma | generalAntilles: and that probably doesn't mean the first of october :I | 20:01 |
| * Khertan hope it ll be before | 20:01 | |
| * mgedmin would love to be able to buy one at the summit | 20:01 | |
| Firebird | lardman, missing pak files? | 20:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | kirma, gonna suck if they don't ship by the Summit. | 20:01 |
| lardman | seems to be there, no error message | 20:01 |
| * Khertan hope to getting a discounted one ... else i ve a wife ... and 550 is too much .... | 20:02 | |
| SpeedEvil | I assume no release of price? $1k? | 20:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | (unsubsidised) | 20:02 |
| Khertan | seems to 500 Euro without taxes | 20:02 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - something like that seems about right :/ | 20:03 |
| aol_ | I wonder if they give an N900 to everyone participating the summit... like google did :D | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably be $400 USD. ;) | 20:03 |
| kirma | the suggested retail price. I remember many nokia phones that have sold well under suggested retail price + vat directly when they have come widely to market... | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | aol_, be nice if they would give them out BEFORE the Summit. | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | So when Nokia is there talking about Harmattan we can actually focus. | 20:03 |
| kirma | not necessarily through all outlets, but many. | 20:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | kirma: you're not meaning subsidised phones? | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be down under 400 euro by the time 2010 rolls around. | 20:04 |
| kirma | no, I'm not meaning those. | 20:04 |
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| aol_ | should I wait for N920 | 20:04 |
| aol_ | anyone? :) | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | what are they going to call the next major device revision? n1000? | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | aol_, we have no idea what the N920 entails. | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, N1! | 20:04 |
| Firebird | depends on what the 920 will be | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | aol_: no, you should obviously buy every maemo device just as soon as it comes out ;) | 20:04 |
| Khertan | i think we will have more information the 1 or 2 September | 20:05 |
| aol_ | it will go to N2^32-1 before going back to 0 | 20:05 |
| lardman | whoa, that 3D Quake is nasty | 20:05 |
| lardman | (got it working in the end) | 20:05 |
| lardman | Khertan: likewise, and my wife wants one too! | 20:05 |
| kirma | I think there are no Nokia mystery devices seen on FCC; so I sort of suspect there's nothing else coming to the market for a while | 20:05 |
| kirma | (wild guess) | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | kirma, Eldar says sometime early next year for RX-56 (N920) | 20:06 |
| Khertan | <lardman> Khertan: likewise, and my wife wants one too! <<< lucky you are | 20:06 |
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| aol_ | heh TechCrunch finally wrote on N900... nice "we said so" article | 20:06 |
| aol_ | http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/08/27/nokia-n900-gets-official-coming-in-october/ | 20:06 |
| aol_ | so when is Harmattan supposed to ship ? | 20:07 |
| Khertan | mine preferes to buy furnitures and made change in home than a stupid geek things | 20:07 |
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| Khertan | as she said | 20:07 |
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| * keesj is getting emotional about it all | 20:07 | |
| zerojay | Lol, are you serious? | 20:07 |
| lardman | oh mine likes that too, and shoes & handbags :) | 20:07 |
| zerojay | Let's get our hands on fremantle first | 20:07 |
| Khertan | yeah ... handbags ... | 20:07 |
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| Khertan | same things too here | 20:08 |
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| aol_ | zerojay: yes I'm very serious | 20:08 |
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| Khertan | and whine for each minutes i pass on my computer :) | 20:08 |
| aol_ | zerojay: I'm independed software vendor and I need to decide if I should go for Qt apps or for GTK :) | 20:08 |
| lardman | I had to show the product so she knows what I'm developing for :) | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | aol_, not before the end of 2010 would be my guess. | 20:09 |
| lardman | anyway, am being sent to the shops :) | 20:09 |
| lardman | bbiab | 20:09 |
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| aol_ | I'm I right to expect the new OS will be upgradeable to N900 etc? | 20:09 |
| simula | aol_ i recommend Qt, it is an amazingly good framework | 20:10 |
| kirma | generalantilles: well, I believe the effort is doomed if we start waiting for the next model just around the corner; obviously Maemo is supposed to be like S60 used to be in amount of devices, not like old Maemo... | 20:10 |
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| mgedmin | aol_: Qt will be available for Fremantle too, AFAIU, but since it'll be a community-supported version, I wonder how that would complicate installation of 3rd-party apps... | 20:10 |
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| aol_ | mgedmin: that's my worry too | 20:11 |
| aol_ | mgedmin: somehow need to play along with the package manager | 20:11 |
| tuukkah | hmm, i thought it's nokia-supported | 20:11 |
| aol_ | for S60 you need to install comple of SIS files before you can install Qt apps, so it's completely out of question | 20:11 |
| mgedmin | the package manager is the least of your worries; educating the users about enabling the repositories that ship qt might be more difficult | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, no more than it does on Diablo. | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | this is not S60 | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e., none. | 20:12 |
| Khertan | so i ll doing something else that looking at each news/comment made on maemo ... and wait for the discounted announces if there is :) | 20:12 |
| Khertan | bye | 20:12 |
| aol_ | I mean three extra .SIS total 12 MB before you can install my 500kb app ? hehe | 20:12 |
| aol_ | all manual | 20:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | tuukkah, it's "community supported" in that it's not shipped in the box. | 20:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But Nokia is financing development. | 20:12 |
| aol_ | well suprise :) | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, Extras should be shipping enabled by default. | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | So users wont have to mess with any repos. | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | in fremantle? cool! awesome even! | 20:13 |
| * mgedmin jumps up and down from the excitement | 20:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want to help ensure that, feel free to lend X-Fade, Jeremiah and the rest a hand with Extras-testing the QA process. | 20:13 |
| zerojay | Maemo.nokia.com - 5 million page views today. | 20:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, source? | 20:14 |
| xnt14 | im back | 20:14 |
| aol_ | PeterMaemo probably | 20:14 |
| zerojay | Peter. | 20:14 |
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| zerojay | Scratch that. | 20:17 |
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| zerojay | 7 millon views in 8 hours. | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade/tekojo, we get more new servers yet? | 20:18 |
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| lardman | any Nokians lurking on here with an n900? | 20:23 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: install QuakeForge on Linux? :þ | 20:24 |
| zerojay | Yeah, good question. | 20:24 |
| zerojay | I'll need a n900 to route me to maemo summit. ;) | 20:24 |
| lardman | Luke-Jr: I don't want to play (old) games, was just interested in the 3D stuff. Didn't look too good to me | 20:24 |
| lardman | I'd just like a dmesg | 20:24 |
| lardman | Luke-Jr: it worked with the 3D binary, but wasn't great | 20:25 |
| Luke-Jr | aol_: Qt ftw | 20:26 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: aww, RuneQuake is fun! | 20:26 |
| pH5 | are we going to get some documented interface for dsp codecs this time? | 20:26 |
| lardman | pH5: I think it's all out there already | 20:26 |
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| lardman | openMax, etc | 20:27 |
| pH5 | oh, nice. | 20:27 |
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| atla | awesome guys, Maemo5 looks fantastic! | 20:27 |
| lardman | and the audio is hooked back onto the Cortex anyway iirc, so no problems trying to output on DSP-side | 20:27 |
| lardman | in fact all audio is done on the Cortex fullstop | 20:27 |
| lardman | would be nice to port Tremor though, for the satisfaction of it | 20:28 |
| pH5 | yeah, I agree it kind of needs to be done. | 20:28 |
| lardman | hopefully the new DSP has more memory, I need to check | 20:28 |
| derf | lardman: And CELT! | 20:28 |
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| lardman | derf: of course :) | 20:29 |
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| lardman | I'm ever hopeful that it will just be a case of adding the input/output plumbing + #pragmas and it will now just work | 20:29 |
| derf | Well, it supposedly works with CCS already. | 20:30 |
| lardman | should do as it's the Ti bridge in use this time | 20:30 |
| lardman | expensive though, I hope there's an OS debugger, etc. available | 20:30 |
| derf | Well, that's running with just the DSP BIOS, no OS. | 20:31 |
| lardman | that is the OS | 20:31 |
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| lardman | Nokia will have added to it, but the core is probably the same | 20:31 |
| derf | I mean, they're using it without Linux. | 20:32 |
| lardman | ah | 20:32 |
| derf | So, not exactly something I could replicate, even if I had CCS (which I do at work, but I can't use that for personal projects). | 20:32 |
| lardman | it might be worth looking at doing something if we have to this time round | 20:33 |
| lardman | anyway, will have to wait for hw to do testing with | 20:33 |
| derf | Right. | 20:33 |
| lardman | but I've had enough of dbg() (aka printf for DSP) | 20:33 |
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| derf | Yeah, no kidding. | 20:33 |
| lardman | :) | 20:33 |
| derf | At least you got that far! I could never get it past rebooting the device when it tried to load the task. | 20:34 |
| Passeli | just installed fremantle sdk, and af-sb-init.sh script is missing, what i am missing? | 20:35 |
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| wiretapped | LOL @ "Up to 1GB of application memory (256 MB RAM, 768 MB virtual memory)" | 20:35 |
| wiretapped | the android kernel is compiled with CONFIG_SWAP=n | 20:36 |
| wiretapped | while nokia is going to roll with 3x as much swap as ram | 20:36 |
| wiretapped | wtf guys | 20:36 |
| tigert | well, swap helps you know | 20:36 |
| pH5 | Passeli: should be installed by the osso-af-sb-startup in /usr/bin | 20:37 |
| wiretapped | swap helps me wait | 20:37 |
| tigert | dude, yes, if you have a harddisk | 20:37 |
| zerojay | Swap isn't that slow these days. | 20:37 |
| tigert | which, in this case, you don't | 20:37 |
| Passeli | The following packages have unmet dependencies: osso-af-sb-startup: Depends: hildon-initscripts but it is not going to be installed | 20:38 |
| Passeli | E: Broken packages | 20:38 |
| johnx | wiretapped, swap help you wait instead of having the low memory killer go off and just end something like on android | 20:39 |
| lardman | derf: yeah, you have to quickly restart dsp_dld | 20:39 |
| lardman | derf: and even that won't work sometimes and you're in for a reboot :) | 20:39 |
| lardman | derf: but if we have another watchdog this time, the same will be true | 20:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: if it's the exiting of dsp_dld that is causing you to reboot, then edit /etc/init.d/dsp-init and change the dsmetool arguments | 20:40 |
| wiretapped | johnx: android seems to handle it well... they've got a patched oom killer, and a sacrificial lamb process which gets killed first after which they have some room to breathe | 20:41 |
| Passeli | it seems that osso-af-sb-startup depends on theme-config, but no such package exist | 20:41 |
| * wiretapped is still getting an n900 but is very disappointed to see 256mb there | 20:41 | |
| johnx | android is a pretty different platform. they require a lot more in the way of applications being able to be able to save state and suspend when asked from what I can tell | 20:42 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | hullo johnx | 20:43 |
| johnx | and saving state to disk, quitting, reopening later and reloading state sounds about the same as getting swapped out and back in to me :) | 20:43 |
| johnx | allo qwerty12_N810 :) | 20:43 |
| lardman | hey johnx | 20:44 |
| johnx | hi lardman | 20:44 |
| johnx | I got sucked in, I should really be just on my way to work though :) | 20:44 |
| lardman | :) | 20:44 |
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| Luke-Jr | tigert: 3x swap is impossible to use, at least on N810 | 20:46 |
| Luke-Jr | tigert: zerojay: swap on MMC is slower than on HD | 20:47 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | How slow is SD? | 20:47 |
| Luke-Jr | my wired mouse is acting like my wireless does when it has a low battery.... wtf | 20:48 |
| Corsac | mpf, 18mm is pretty thick | 20:48 |
| aol_ | yes. very. | 20:48 |
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| zerojay | Luke, who said it's on mmc? | 20:49 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: have you tried midori on tablet? | 20:49 |
| Luke-Jr | zerojay: fast SSD are more expensive than RAM I think | 20:50 |
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| Luke-Jr | so they'd just have used RAM in that case | 20:50 |
| Luke-Jr | johnsq: no | 20:50 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: just build on desktop looks promising, will try to build it later. | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - how fast is the SD card. | 20:51 |
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| johnsq | SpeedEvil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SD_card | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | and the SSD - or has nobody got hardware? | 20:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | johnsq: yes - which unfortunately doesn't help - my 12megabyte/s card (on USB2) gets 1.3 on a phone. | 20:52 |
| Luke-Jr | johnsq: AFAIK, midori = gtk | 20:52 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: yes webkit+gtk | 20:52 |
| Luke-Jr | johnsq: I don't use GTK thingws | 20:52 |
| zerojay | Guys, i wouldn't worry about it. | 20:52 |
| displague | does the n900 have accelerometers? I'm just wondering if the screenshot of the call in progress means that your display will always be sideways if you have it standing longways on your desk | 20:53 |
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| zerojay | It has accelerometers. | 20:53 |
| displague | they should have included that in the specifications page (under Input?) | 20:54 |
| johnsq | SpeedEvil: then the hardware/cpu is limiting the speed, i always thought the speeds are so low, that everywhere the limits are reached | 20:54 |
| vladovg | N900 | 20:54 |
| * Luke-Jr wishes he had time to design a *decent* handheld | 20:54 | |
| vladovg | ? | 20:54 |
| wirelessdreamer | anyone know if the chipset supports usb host | 20:54 |
| vladovg | yes | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | johnsq: I know - I was wondering if the 900 would have a nice fast one. | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | vladovg: USB2 host? | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | johnsq: interface to that is | 20:55 |
| vladovg | dont know | 20:55 |
| ShadowJK | Sequential read/write speed is a meaningless number for use as swap anyway. What you want Random IOPS. | 20:55 |
| Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: is it? | 20:55 |
| Luke-Jr | since when does SSD care whether sequential or random anyhow? | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Sure. But they tend to approximate the same for SSD - very different for HD of course | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | wirelessdreamer, it's OTG. | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: at usb2 speeD? | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | Luke-Jr, since their native block size is half meg and OS does 4K writes | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably not a full 480Mbps | 20:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | But enough. | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: it's really not half a meg. | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe not half meg, somewhere between 128k and 512k though. | 20:56 |
| * SpeedEvil realises he hasn't looked at erase block sizes for a while. | 20:57 | |
| vladovg | USB:USB 2.0 host/client, 480Mbit/s, OTG 1.0 | 20:57 |
| vladovg | micro-USB | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | There are ways round that though. | 20:57 |
| vladovg | it is USB2 | 20:57 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, nothing that's available though | 20:57 |
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| ShadowJK | for mmc/sd | 20:58 |
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| ShadowJK | filesystem doesn't matter because swap bypasses the filesystem | 20:58 |
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| vladovg | WTF | 20:58 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I got some orders of magnitude faster than that when I did random write tests on SD cards - it wasn't doing a 128/512K erase and rewrite for each block. | 20:58 |
| vladovg | Battery-Capacity:1320 mAh | 20:58 |
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| vladovg | n810 is 1500 | 20:59 |
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| zerojay | And...? | 20:59 |
| johnsq | vladovg: smaller size or not enough space available | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Smaller screen size reduces consumption, thankfully. | 20:59 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, try something like iozone -aeo | 20:59 |
| simula | the battery is swappable and small... just carry an extra in your car | 21:00 |
| vladovg | GSM modul with 3G | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder if it can survive a battery swap without reboot | 21:00 |
| vladovg | hah | 21:00 |
| vladovg | 13020mah | 21:00 |
| brbrbr | N800 was cooler. just need to find tiny IR keyboard to use with. | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, seems unlikely. | 21:00 |
| wiretapped | i'm seeing skype but no mention of SIP on the tech specs... anybody know if there is a SIP client built-in? | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | One can always hope, though. | 21:00 |
| ShadowJK | http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/Intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3403&p=3 | 21:00 |
| ShadowJK | SD/MMC doesn't have anything that mitigates write amplification :/ | 21:01 |
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| ShadowJK | iozone -aeo, 1 meg filesize, 4K random writes, N810 internal mmc: 499kbyte/s | 21:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | wiretapped, Telepathy. | 21:04 |
| keesj | wassup with http://mameo.org/ :P | 21:04 |
| zerojay | It's getting gangbanged by iFanboys. | 21:05 |
| Corsac | /. maybe | 21:05 |
| ShadowJK | iozone -aeo, 4 meg filesuze, 4 meg sequential write, N810 internal mmc: 9591 kbyte/sec | 21:05 |
| ShadowJK | A pretty big contrast :) | 21:05 |
| pupnik | that is fast iirc | 21:05 |
| ShadowJK | yeah iirc when I compared internal mmc to a bunch of kingston, sandisk and transcend cards I have, the immc was rather fast | 21:06 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 21:07 | |
| wiretapped | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I've used rtcomm plenty... just odd they wouldn't mention it in the specs since SIP is a much-wanted lacking feature in other phones these days | 21:07 |
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| zerojay | Like i said, don't worry too much. | 21:07 |
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| zerojay | They did mention it. | 21:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wiretapped, it was in one of Eldar's screenshots. | 21:07 |
| zerojay | Internet calling | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | would be weird with no SIP really. | 21:08 |
| wiretapped | zerojay: ah so it is. But "SIP" isn't specifically mentioned anywhere. | 21:08 |
| wiretapped | and the press release doesn't even mention "internet calling" | 21:09 |
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| zerojay | No, but it's there as far as I know. | 21:09 |
| Andy80 | wiretapped: the Nokia website mention it | 21:09 |
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| wiretapped | zerojay: glad to hear it :) | 21:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wiretapped, basically, though, anything that's not included in the box can be added pretty easily. | 21:10 |
| * wiretapped is really excited | 21:10 | |
| zerojay | Telepathy is very extensible. | 21:10 |
| wiretapped | GeneralAntilles: Sort of, I know... | 21:10 |
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| zerojay | Look at rtcomm. | 21:10 |
| wiretapped | there still isn't OTR for rtcomm though, right? | 21:10 |
| * Andy80 now expects Google to port their apps to Maemo :) | 21:10 | |
| suihkulokki | OTR? | 21:11 |
| zerojay | No one bothered to try until me a week or so ago. | 21:11 |
| wiretapped | suihkulokki: http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/ | 21:11 |
| zerojay | I added a few pidgin plugins/telepathy protocols. | 21:11 |
| zerojay | Some worked, some didn't. | 21:12 |
| zerojay | I'll try otr soon. | 21:12 |
| suihkulokki | wiretapped: if pidgin-otr works with telepathy-haze | 21:12 |
| wiretapped | awesome, thanks | 21:12 |
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| johnsq | Andy80: why, everbody will install android | 21:12 |
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| zerojay | Lol | 21:12 |
| zerojay | Fuck android. | 21:13 |
| Andy80 | I wouldn't lol too much :) | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amen, zerojay. | 21:13 |
| Andy80 | the hardware is almost the same :D | 21:13 |
| Andy80 | it can run on N810 | 21:13 |
| wazd | Andy80: Google has web-apps, Maemo has the most advanced web-browser, what else do you want? :) | 21:13 |
| Andy80 | I imagine it can run on N900 too, if not better | 21:13 |
| zerojay | Java. That's all i need to say. | 21:13 |
| Andy80 | wazd: I WANT a NATIVE Gmail client, thanks :) | 21:13 |
| wazd | Andy80: Modest is pretty descent I think | 21:14 |
| Andy80 | wazd: and native Google Maps, with Latitude support :ç | 21:14 |
| wiretapped | Andy80: you mean like an imap client? | 21:14 |
| zerojay | Modest ftw, | 21:14 |
| zerojay | Via imap. | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.nokia.com/features/email/ | 21:14 |
| zerojay | And no one uses latitude. Lol | 21:14 |
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| ShadowJK | What's latitude? | 21:14 |
| zerojay | Exactly. | 21:15 |
| wazd | yeah, fuck latitude :D | 21:15 |
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| zerojay | The idea is solid, but no one uses it or wants to, so... | 21:15 |
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| Andy80 | other things I really would like are: a native Qik client and... sms/phone API :) | 21:16 |
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| zerojay | Qik would be nice. | 21:16 |
| Andy80 | zerojay: Qik would simply rulez :D | 21:17 |
| Andy80 | and justin.tv / ustrem.tv support too wouldn't be bad | 21:17 |
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| johnsq | Andy80: you write it :) | 21:17 |
| Andy80 | don't know if the flash 9.4 plugin supports front webcam | 21:17 |
| Andy80 | anyone here can test please ;) ? | 21:18 |
| simula | there is a user facing webcam as well | 21:18 |
| * wiretapped would like a pony | 21:18 | |
| wiretapped | preferably without swap | 21:18 |
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| tigert | just run one app at a time and it never hits swap anyway | 21:19 |
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| simula | i wonder how much ram of the 256 will be available for user apps :) | 21:20 |
| wiretapped | tigert: :) | 21:20 |
| Luke-Jr | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/jailbreak/ | 21:21 |
| johnsq | simula: as much you need just install a working linux | 21:21 |
| Luke-Jr | "iPhone Jailbreaking Could Crash Cellphone Towers, Apple Claims" | 21:21 |
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| ShadowJK | Luke-Jr, have you scrutinized/flamed the nokia phone drivers yet? | 21:21 |
| ShadowJK | iirc fonet? | 21:22 |
| Luke-Jr | ? | 21:22 |
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| wiretapped | Luke-Jr: that is why I want a phone a don't need to jailbreak... I don't want to be responsible for crashing cellphone towers ! | 21:23 |
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| wiretapped | s/phone a/phone I/ | 21:23 |
| infobot | wiretapped meant: Luke-Jr: that is why I want a phone I don't need to jailbreak... I don't want to be responsible for crashing cellphone towers ! | 21:23 |
| SouBE | i'm new with maemo. is it possible to install a self compiled kernel to N900? | 21:23 |
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| tigert | SouBE: why? | 21:23 |
| lardman | it ought to be yes | 21:23 |
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| simula | johnsq... damn small linux would leave me a lot more than ubuntu ;) | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | SouBE: all tablets have been able to accept self compiled kernels :) | 21:23 |
| wiretapped | tigert: WRONG ANSWER | 21:24 |
| ShadowJK | SouBE, nobody has a N900 yet, but if it's like the previous 770, N800 and N810, then yes | 21:24 |
| SouBE | ShadowJK: thanks | 21:24 |
| tigert | sure, you can | 21:24 |
| Luke-Jr | it's not like the previous | 21:24 |
| Luke-Jr | it has cell phone capabilities | 21:24 |
| wiretapped | tigert: thats better :) | 21:24 |
| Luke-Jr | short of an official statement from Nokia, such an assumption seems like a bad idea | 21:24 |
| tigert | I just meant the one in there is tuned for that hardware | 21:24 |
| tigert | I guess one might put in a custom one like before, dunno since I never tried | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | flasher supposedly supports rx-51 in 3.5-beta.. and this one takes a kernel image :P | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/software-freedom-lovers-here-comes-maemo-5/#comments | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | so if it doesnt work on rx-51, it'd be silly | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ official enough? | 21:25 |
| wiretapped | custom ones can be equally tuned for that hardware too though | 21:25 |
| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: every jailed device has been flashable, if you had a signed kernel | 21:26 |
| maswan | ShadowJK: well, nobody is a bit restrictive. I know a guy that does have one. He's not saying much though. ;) | 21:26 |
| SouBE | N900 looks nifty for mobile IP development =) | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr: it's more of a bother to add kernel signatures | 21:26 |
| wiretapped | lol @ "jailbreak: not found" | 21:27 |
| fiferboy | Ha! Personal Menu is in "Maemo Select" | 21:28 |
| fiferboy | I'm guessing it would be tricky to run in maemo5 | 21:30 |
| Luke-Jr | GeneralAntilles: that doesn't actually say | 21:30 |
| Luke-Jr | it's just a bunch of marketting using the words "free" and "open" | 21:30 |
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| Luke-Jr | just like they did with the past devices | 21:30 |
| lardman | Luke-Jr: stop being so pessimistic | 21:31 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: realistic, you mean; besides, supposedly there have already been official statements that it won't *really* be free | 21:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, you mean, "stop being a goddamn troll". | 21:32 |
| lardman | can you give me a url for that? | 21:32 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: ask GeneralAntilles: [11:58:50] <GeneralAntilles> OpenGL is closed. So, check and check. | 21:32 |
| lardman | Luke-Jr: we're not talking about free, we're talking about being able to flash a kernel | 21:32 |
| zerojay | Oh gawd. | 21:32 |
| lardman | indeed opengl is closed | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | don't feel the troll.. | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: eww | 21:32 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: the linked blog makes no specific reference to the ability to use custom kernels | 21:32 |
| johnsq | Stskeeps: feed | 21:32 |
| svu_ | does anobody know, will there be another "500 devices for FOSS folks" program this time? | 21:32 |
| lardman | Luke-Jr: no, so what | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | johnsq: yeah, err, that was what i meant | 21:33 |
| Sygo | ..or was it? <wink> | 21:33 |
| zerojay | Luke, you just like being argumenting. :) | 21:33 |
| lardman | Luke-Jr: it's not certain by any means, but I see no reason or indeed ability to stop people flashing their own kernels | 21:33 |
| zerojay | Er | 21:33 |
| zerojay | Yeah. | 21:33 |
| lardman | Luke-Jr: if you have root, after all, you can do what you like | 21:33 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: the new cell phone capabilities are potential reason to be concerned, IMO | 21:33 |
| SpeedEvil | It's quite likely the GSM/... is on a seperate core | 21:34 |
| zerojay | Why? | 21:34 |
| lardman | yes, but I imagine that's encapsulated so that it can't be misused | 21:34 |
| lardman | in the same was it was on the Freerunner | 21:34 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: the Freerunner had to go to effort to ensure their device was free. Nokia doesn't have a track record of caring much. | 21:34 |
| lardman | we're not talking about free here | 21:35 |
| lardman | there are closed parts, that's not what we;re discussing | 21:35 |
| Luke-Jr | they are the same thing accomplished with different methods | 21:35 |
| lardman | being free has little or nothing to do with being able to flash a kernel | 21:36 |
| Luke-Jr | it has everything to do with it | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Luke-Jr, oh bullshit. | 21:36 |
| lardman | how | 21:36 |
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| Luke-Jr | lardman: if you can't modify the kernel in the first place, the source is useless; and vice-versa | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Luke-Jr, it's one thing to advocate your point of view, but please refrain from tossing around outright lies. | 21:36 |
| Luke-Jr | they are inherently linked | 21:36 |
| lardman | the current devices have closed components, we can flash their kernels, QED | 21:36 |
| * zerojay sighs. | 21:36 | |
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| Luke-Jr | lardman: "free" applies to the kernel as much as to the components... | 21:37 |
| lardman | see my previous post | 21:37 |
| SpeedEvil | you can be able to flash a kernel with opensource components - and end up with a functioning but useless device - my DSL modem for example. | 21:37 |
| lardman | the kernel is free | 21:37 |
| lardman | some modules are not | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | probably fully open kernel. | 21:37 |
| lardman | how does that stop you flashing a new one? | 21:37 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: my point is we don't *know* if the kernel is free yet, other than maybe having the code | 21:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Why are we having this argument when, for three tablets, Nokia have produced the sources of the kernel AND allowed to you flash the resulting image? | 21:38 |
| Luke-Jr | but that code is not usable if they require a signed kernel | 21:38 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: indeed | 21:38 |
| Luke-Jr | qwerty12_N810: I'm just saying it's not a given that will continue with the new cell connectivity | 21:38 |
| SpeedEvil | qwerty12_N810: the tablets have not had GSM - and carrier subsidy. (AIUI) | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Luke-Jr, ofono.org | 21:38 |
| lardman | Luke-Jr: the question is really how you ensure that only a signed kernel can be used. How would you do this? | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Luke-Jr, now drop it and move on. | 21:38 |
| RST38h | reMoo all | 21:38 |
| jeremiah | lardman: There are actually lots of ways to do that. | 21:39 |
| lardman | let's hear it ;) we have root remember | 21:39 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: kernel obviously can restrict any/all access to flash | 21:39 |
| Luke-Jr | root has no power except what the kernel gives him | 21:39 |
| zerojay | Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh JAY SMASH | 21:40 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows the / partitiojnn size in N900? | 21:40 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: And bootloader doesn't have to load unsigned kernel. And initial bootloader can be in ROM. | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | you people are worrying too much. | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | honestly. | 21:40 |
| homeasvs | Luke-Jr, speculating is useless | 21:40 |
| Luke-Jr | homeasvs: indeed. | 21:40 |
| jeremiah | Speculating may be useless, but gesticulating is useful. | 21:41 |
| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: I'm not worried, just pointing out that if an unflashable kernel is a deal breaker, I wouldn't preorder until I see an official statement ;) | 21:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - a seperate issue is a carrier lock - which canbe seperate - it may be that the device is locked to a carrier, but otherwise open. | 21:41 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure nokia will let you destroy your tablet all you want | 21:41 |
| xnt14 | is this normal? malloc: /Users/chet/src/bash/src/parse.y:5561: assertion botched | 21:41 |
| Luke-Jr | SpeedEvil: carrier lock would require a locked kernel I'm pretty sure | 21:41 |
| xnt14 | I just mistyped cd .../ | 21:41 |
| jeremiah | Luke-Jr: Why? | 21:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: assuming the GSM isn't on a seperate core | 21:41 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: yes, that I agree with | 21:41 |
| jeremiah | That doesn't make anysense. | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | (or has encrypted firmware blob) | 21:42 |
| Luke-Jr | jeremiah: because of FCC regulations, at the least | 21:42 |
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| jeremiah | What FCC regulations say you need a "locked" kernel? | 21:42 |
| Luke-Jr | cell phones are required to operate on any network available for emergency calls | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Well, GSM *is* going to be on a separate core, talking with AT command set | 21:42 |
| Corsac | hmhm, fremantle is ubuntu based or still debian based? | 21:42 |
| Luke-Jr | so any such provider locking needs to be done in the kernel | 21:42 |
| jeremiah | Corsac: Debian | 21:43 |
| lardman | what was our last troll called? On the ml? | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: not if it's on a seperate core. | 21:43 |
| Corsac | ok, thanks | 21:43 |
| RST38h | But the oFono thing is open sourced, so there is good chance you can see how it sends those at commands to the baseband chip | 21:43 |
| jeremiah | Corsac: Ubuntu is debian based too BTW | 21:43 |
| Luke-Jr | SpeedEvil: how will the seperate core know it's emergency? | 21:43 |
| jeremiah | RST38h: Exactly! | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: ? | 21:43 |
| Luke-Jr | without allowing the kernel to send any arbitrary # as "emergency" to bypass the lock | 21:43 |
| Corsac | jeremiah: yeah but it has many core modifications | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: emergency call only 911/999/112/... in the firmware of the phone. | 21:44 |
| jeremiah | Corsac: "core modifications"? Like Launchpad and unfree media codecs? | 21:44 |
| Luke-Jr | SpeedEvil: and what if your emergency number IS different? | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: in the firmware of the GSM core I mena. | 21:44 |
| Corsac | jeremiah: yeah, that too :) | 21:44 |
| jeremiah | heh | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: also - many countries do not support emergency calls. | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr: proof: go read the beta's kernel config's and see if you see any glaring missing functionality | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | (without valid SIM) | 21:44 |
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| Corsac | jeremiah: (i'm a debian developer btw so I'm kind-of aware of debian/ubuntu diffs) | 21:45 |
| jeremiah | w00t! | 21:45 |
| Passeli | SpeedEvil: you can call emergency calls without sim | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Passeli: In some countries. | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Passeli: not in the UK. | 21:45 |
| Passeli | that's pure dumb, for what reason not? | 21:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure. | 21:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I just know that the several times I've tested it over the years with different phones and SIMs it hasn't worked. | 21:46 |
| lardman | why would you have a charged phone but no sim? | 21:46 |
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| Luke-Jr | lardman: emergencies | 21:47 |
| lardman | probably something to do with the police needing to know the number that has dialled them | 21:47 |
| pH5 | SpeedEvil: to reduce anonymous prank calls, supposedly | 21:47 |
| lardman | Luke-Jr: yeah, what sort though, one in which you break into a Nokia store, cut yourself on the glass on the way in, and need to dial for an ambulance? | 21:47 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: I keep a charged cell phone w/o service for 2 purposes: 1, my wife can use it in an emergency if I'm not there, 2, I have a spare battery always charged | 21:48 |
| pH5 | At least I think that was the reason the german regulator gave. | 21:48 |
| Luke-Jr | pH5: how is it anonymous when your coordinates go with it? | 21:48 |
| lardman | pH5: sounds reasonable | 21:48 |
| lardman | Luke-Jr: coordinates? This isn't the USA | 21:48 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: GPS isn't USA specific AFAIK | 21:48 |
| johnsq | lardman: they never knowed on old plain phones. | 21:49 |
| lardman | Luke-Jr: but reporting it on the phones is | 21:49 |
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| pH5 | Luke-Jr: I don't care, it wasn't my decision. | 21:49 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: really? | 21:49 |
| lardman | really | 21:49 |
| Luke-Jr | odd | 21:49 |
| lardman | yes, caused all sorts of problems with voip being considered a main phone number over there so i've read | 21:50 |
| SpeedEvil | This was _way_ before GPS was around. | 21:50 |
| SpeedEvil | GSM in the UK hit about ... 1993? | 21:50 |
| SpeedEvil | When adding GPS to a phone would have doubled its weight (ish) | 21:50 |
| lardman | not sure GPS was even allowed for non-military when phones came in here | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: it was. | 21:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman| you're probably thinking of the removal of selective availability in 1993? Which removed the intentional +-150m error. | 21:52 |
| zerojay | Wjt: i'm going to try telepathy-butterfly tonight. I'll let you know how it goes. | 21:52 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: IIRC raegan decided early on that GPS would be available to all after teh shootdown of the airliner that went into russian airspace. | 21:52 |
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| lardman | well at least not affordable then | 21:53 |
| lardman | certainly I'd never seen one and I used to fly alot | 21:53 |
| lardman | light aircraft that is | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | No emergency without a SIM is crazy. | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can call 911 with any old cellphone I own. | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | SIM or none. | 21:54 |
| lardman | but most people probably won't have a charged old phone lying about | 21:54 |
| lardman | so it makes little difference, unless you specifically keep one because you can do this | 21:55 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: the early GPSs were sequential one channel ones - that would have really sucked for airplane use | 21:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, we keep them in our glove compartments in all of our cars for emergencies. | 21:55 |
| lardman | I have one on me, so does everyone else, so why do I need another in the car? | 21:55 |
| Firebird | :o current libSDL(in repo) isn't patched with GLES | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, lost, stolen, discharged, broken? | 21:55 |
| SpeedEvil | however - in hte UK also - you can get pay-as-you-go SIMs - where you have to make a call every 3 months - but the credit doesn't timeout. | 21:55 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: everyone does not carry a cell phone | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | You get creamed by a truck in the middle of nowhere and your phone goes flying out of an open window? | 21:56 |
| paroneayea | any news on whether the n900 will be reflashable, and whether it'll be vendor-locked? | 21:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | paroneayea, rights shouldn't be any different than current tablets. | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | paroneayea: wait for the announcements. | 21:56 |
| Mousey | $780?!?!?!?!?! | 21:56 |
| Luke-Jr | LOL | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, currency conversion not to be taken as MSRP | 21:57 |
| paroneayea | SpeedEvil: yes, suppose I should wait :) | 21:57 |
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| lardman | anyway, I see that the Americans like being able to have spare phones to make emergency calls, but I can't really see the point when balanced against crank calls. Let's stop this conversation anyway | 21:57 |
| feld | Mousey: ffffff | 21:57 |
| zerojay | Well, glad to see #maemo being brought down to tmo levels. | 21:57 |
| Mousey | tmo? | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, apparently not an issue here. | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: nah, we didn't start discussing politics yet | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: it's only a sign of what's to come :\ | 21:57 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: GPS in the USA at least | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it sounds like more European silliness. | 21:57 |
| Mousey | feld: i kno rite? | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like all those cameras you guys put up. | 21:57 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: prank calls will get you fined at least | 21:58 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Should we? | 21:58 |
| Mousey | can't there be like a N390 or something without the phone chip SHACKLES | 21:58 |
| lardman | Luke-Jr: but how do they know who you are if you have a phone with no position reporting caps? | 21:58 |
| Mousey | will there be a cdma version? no | 21:58 |
| Mousey | ;_; | 21:58 |
| * Mousey is done ranting randomly | 21:58 | |
| zerojay | Wings, you mean. | 21:58 |
| RST38h | Sts: In fact, I suggest starting with gay rights or the palestinian conflicts, there is no reason to waste time on lesser trolling topics | 21:58 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: all phones in like the past 10 years have position reporting caps | 21:58 |
| lardman | in America | 21:58 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: if they don't, the cell towers can still triangulate | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: GPL violations by gay palestians! | 21:59 |
| wazd | wow, n900 can call and surf the web same time! True hardcore :) | 21:59 |
| feld | Mousey: well i saw the specs and thought "this is everything i wanted in a phone!" and then i looked at the price and bricks were shat | 21:59 |
| Luke-Jr | yes, that's what we're talking about... | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Sts: <speechless> | 21:59 |
| lardman | we live in a fairly densly populated country ;) | 21:59 |
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| zerojay | Feld: cheaper than n97 | 21:59 |
| Mousey | yah, the one thing i love about the N810 is it ISN'T a phone | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | feld: it's about similar than equivalent hardware | 21:59 |
| RST38h | heya wazd | 21:59 |
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| Mousey | but i get to be the black sheep i guess | 21:59 |
| wazd | RST38h: remoo :) | 21:59 |
| SpeedEvil | feld: carrier subsidy will bring it down a lot. | 21:59 |
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| feld | SpeedEvil: is there an announced carrier yet? | 22:00 |
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| feld | i mean, with it being quad band i can roam on ATT's network if it's through tmobile i guess | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | feld: not as far as I'm aware. I'd be surprised if none takes it up though. | 22:00 |
| Luke-Jr | I thought it was announced or leaked as T-Mobile | 22:00 |
| SpeedEvil | (but I would not be surprised if you ended up without all the freedom if you do take a subsidised phone) | 22:00 |
| Mousey | lol phone and freedom in same sentence | 22:01 |
| feld | SpeedEvil: freedom how? i mean, couldn't i reload the OS on it myself so it's not gimped? | 22:01 |
| Luke-Jr | Nokia blogged that jailbreaking is unsupported... ;) | 22:01 |
| feld | or are they putting in hardware restrictions | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, knowing Nokia and knowing Maemo, I would. | 22:01 |
| Mousey | why did it have to be a phone!! what in the world were they thinking? | 22:01 |
| feld | bah either way this makes me not want to buy a netbook and scrape up cash for this phone | 22:01 |
| RST38h | Mousey: Anybody forces you to use it as a phone? | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, they were thinking they wanted the money to finance further development. | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | To get that money they need to sell to more than a niche market. | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thus, phone. | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | feld: freedom as in having root - for a carrier subsidised phone. For a unsubsidised phone - I don't see an issue. | 22:02 |
| wjt | zerojay: oh, we got that going on fremantle too :) | 22:02 |
| Mousey | bah, you know they've marketed it wrong to begin with | 22:02 |
| zerojay | Mousey, do you tether your tablet? | 22:02 |
| Mousey | zerojay: yep | 22:02 |
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| wjt | zerojay: one pitfall you might encounter: foo@hotmail.com normalizes to foo@hotmail.com#1 | 22:02 |
| Luke-Jr | "-sh: jailbreak: not found" ☹ | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | feld: I simply have some doubts that the carriers will be willing to giveup all of their current revenue streams with the phone in order to give it to you at $99 on a contract. | 22:03 |
| zerojay | Wjt: thanks. | 22:03 |
| Mousey | zerojay: to any device, now i'm stuck on a gsm network, and a crappy one at that, with no chance of cdma, unless i... tether it | 22:03 |
| wjt | zerojay: so depending on how robust the Diablo address book is, it might break | 22:03 |
| zerojay | Yeah... Hmm. | 22:03 |
| Luke-Jr | Mousey: does a CDMA network exist that *allows* tethering? | 22:03 |
| Mousey | yes | 22:03 |
| Mousey | i've tethered on sprint since 1999 | 22:03 |
| zerojay | Any idea of what's killing galago? | 22:04 |
| Luke-Jr | I know Sprint doesn't allow tethering... | 22:04 |
| Mousey | does | 22:04 |
| Mousey | if by doesn't you mean does, then yes | 22:04 |
| Luke-Jr | maybe you're getting away with it, but do your ToS allow it? | 22:04 |
| SpeedEvil | feld: but talking about this further is pointless till announcements by carriers. | 22:04 |
| Mousey | Luke-Jr: i can tell you it's never been an issue | 22:04 |
| Mousey | all the carriers ever announce is, hi, welcome to our proprietary network, give us all your cash | 22:04 |
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| Luke-Jr | Mousey: some of us prefer to play by the rules ;) | 22:04 |
| wjt | zerojay: not sure exactly what, no, sorry; I'll take another look when I have a minute | 22:05 |
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| Mousey | Luke-Jr: whatever that means. like carriers aren't still future-shocked by the "rules" of internet access, and why everyone hates them for not Doing It Right(tm) | 22:05 |
| wjt | zerojay: one thing you could check (with dbus-monitor) is if Haze is returning the empty string as the status type for facebook contacts, or whether it says "available", "away" etc. | 22:07 |
| Luke-Jr | Mousey: they make those rules of internet access over their network | 22:07 |
| wjt | zerojay: because it looked like that would kill galago | 22:07 |
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| zerojay | I'll try that, thanks. | 22:08 |
| RST38h | Has Fremantle SDK been updated today? | 22:08 |
| Mousey | Luke-Jr: right! the exact reason internet devices should be internet devices and not only-internet-by-cell-carrier-permission-maybe-if-you-pay-enough-and-then-even-limitedly devices | 22:08 |
| Luke-Jr | Mousey: huh? | 22:08 |
| RST38h | Mousey: N900 has got WiFi | 22:08 |
| zerojay | Welcome to reality, mousey. | 22:09 |
| Luke-Jr | oh, is that the confusion? | 22:09 |
| Mousey | RST38h: yes, but i don't have tcm contracts | 22:09 |
| Mousey | zerojay: Reality(tm) by Nokia | 22:09 |
| RST38h | Mousey: What is TCM? | 22:09 |
| Luke-Jr | people assume cell phone means no WifI? | 22:09 |
| Mousey | that's not my assumption | 22:09 |
| Mousey | my assumption is, it's a phone, BUT ONLY IF you have Carrier X, not Y or Z | 22:09 |
| Luke-Jr | Mousey: so you'd rather have Wifi only than Wifi+cell? | 22:09 |
| Mousey | Luke-Jr: i'd perfer Wifi + Slot-for-cell-radio | 22:10 |
| RST38h | Mousey: It is not tied to a particular carrier, you can always buy it unsubsidized | 22:10 |
| Luke-Jr | Mousey: that's more or less what GSM is supposed to be | 22:10 |
| * RST38h does not understand what Mousey's problem with N900 is | 22:10 | |
| zerojay | Just don't put a sim in it then, sheesh. | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Mousey: slots are _horribly_ problematic. | 22:10 |
| Mousey | RST38h: it IS tied to a specific few carriers, namely GSM carriers | 22:10 |
| paroneayea | RST38h: that's been confirmed? | 22:10 |
| Mousey | SpeedEvil: maybe, but flexibility is important | 22:10 |
| RST38h | Mousey: It is not. You can use WiFi, just like with N800/N810 | 22:10 |
| Luke-Jr | Mousey: GSM is the standard for carrier independent hardware | 22:10 |
| paroneayea | RST38h: that would make me happy if it is | 22:10 |
| kirma | mousey: only thing that complicates things with addition of cell phone network radio is FCC (and others) certification to be sold on the market... | 22:10 |
| Luke-Jr | Mousey: GSM = slot for carrier | 22:11 |
| RST38h | paroneayea: Nokia always sells its devices unsubsidized | 22:11 |
| Mousey | kirma: which.......... raises the price significantly | 22:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I think Mousey meant the whole radio - not the SIM. | 22:11 |
| kirma | US just has such a backwards market that people think that phones and contracts are always bundled | 22:11 |
| paroneayea | RST38h: ah, great | 22:11 |
| Mousey | Luke-Jr: ...unless it's CDMA | 22:11 |
| Luke-Jr | Mousey: Sprint avoids GSM because it doesn't want you using carrier-independent phones | 22:11 |
| kirma | mousey: I don't believe that | 22:11 |
| RST38h | paroneayea: there is no reason to think this one will be any different | 22:11 |
| Mousey | bah | 22:11 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: In addition to being available subsidised. | 22:12 |
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| Mousey | anybody who wants to switch phones or carriers in the middle of a contract knows all about that belief | 22:12 |
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| zerojay | You're upset at nokia because you chose a backwards ass provider. | 22:12 |
| Luke-Jr | Mousey: it's like complaining that a DOCSIS cable modem doesn't work with your proprietary-protocol cable ISP | 22:12 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Correct, but this we already know | 22:12 |
| kirma | oh, yes, of course US also has backwards market in the sense there are operators and networks that just don't even have SIMs that could be switched around. | 22:12 |
| Mousey | i'm upset it has a cel phone chip and a right-handed-centric spacebar | 22:12 |
| Mousey | raising the price, and lowering the access | 22:12 |
| zerojay | It's raising the access. Wtf. | 22:12 |
| RST38h | Mousey: Ok, hypnotize yourself into thinking that it has no cell phone chip | 22:13 |
| zerojay | Lol | 22:13 |
| Luke-Jr | Mousey: I propose building our own handheld device | 22:13 |
| Mousey | RST38h: that would work except for the PRICE | 22:13 |
| RST38h | Mousey: Feeling better now? | 22:13 |
| fiferboy | Isn't the spacebar actually easier for lefties if they are holding the stylus left and typing right? | 22:13 |
| * fiferboy is a lefty | 22:13 | |
| zerojay | This whole conversation is full of fail. | 22:13 |
| Mousey | Luke-Jr: i propose nokia not stop selling the n810 for a while | 22:13 |
| Luke-Jr | Mousey: Nokia stopped selling the N810 a while ago | 22:13 |
| Luke-Jr | and stopped supporting it like a year or more ago | 22:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: google GTA02-core | 22:13 |
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| RST38h | Mousey: If you do not like the price, you do not need to pay it, just do not buy the device | 22:13 |
| Luke-Jr | SpeedEvil: seen it | 22:14 |
| kirma | the true cost of HSPA modem and anything related to unit being certified is under 20 euros. not a huge extra cost, I say. | 22:14 |
| hircus | this is rather silly, but how does one reposition the contact applet in Diablo? | 22:14 |
| kirma | because I've seen unsubsidized usb hspa modems sold at that cost | 22:14 |
| hircus | I can resize, but dragging works only very rarely | 22:14 |
| RST38h | kirma: And it is part of $300 or so it costs Nokia to build the device, way less than the price you pay for it =) | 22:14 |
| Mousey | RST38h: hence the nokia-please-dont-stop-selling-the-n810-for-a-while sentiment | 22:15 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: AIUI the pay-as-you-go USB hspa modems are more expensive thanthat - eventhe pay-as-you-go ones are actually subsidised a bit by the carrier. | 22:15 |
| fiferboy | Spacebar notwithstanding, I think the N900 will be better for lefties since most apps will be flick-scroll instead of right-hand-scrollbars | 22:15 |
| RST38h | Mousey: So, how many N810s are you ready to buy, personally? | 22:15 |
| SpeedEvil | (having said that - you will get that price if you buy 10-100K) | 22:15 |
| Mousey | RST38h: well i'm yet to get my replacement for the one i lost, but once i have a job it'll be my first.. nevertheless, who knows how long it'll last before needing fixing or replacing again.. so for a while pls | 22:16 |
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| zerojay | Lol | 22:17 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 22:17 |
| RST38h | Mousey: You see, unless you are ready to buy 10000-100000 N810s, it makes no sense for Nokia to restart production | 22:17 |
| Mousey | *sigh*, i hate muggles | 22:17 |
| kirma | at least zte has been selling very low cost hspa modems in some markets, without any obvious subsidies | 22:17 |
| Mousey | not that any of you are muggles, just that that's who nokia has to get to buy their devices for it to be worth them being made | 22:17 |
| johnsq | Mousey: you can buy a smartq5 as replacement | 22:17 |
| zerojay | Mousey: so... What does that make you? | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | hircus, you kind of have to dive in and swipe it. | 22:18 |
| RST38h | Mousey: Is it a surprise to you that Nokia makes its devices to sell them and make profit? | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | hircus, don't tap, then drag, just make it all one fluid motion. | 22:18 |
| kirma | very large portion of phones are actually sold to customers without any operator involvement... well, almost everywhere except US | 22:18 |
| Mousey | zerojay: clearly i'm an idiot whose preferences hold no merit | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, you're in reaction mode, so you're not being entirely rational. | 22:19 |
| Mousey | RST38h: if they'd marketed it right to begin with it wouldn't be an issue. but volume uber alles | 22:19 |
| zerojay | Lol | 22:19 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: i guess. i'm gonna miss you guys tho.. i already do =( | 22:19 |
| RST38h | Mousey: You really think you could have marketed N8x0 better than Nokia? | 22:19 |
| Mousey | RST38h: i'm no marketeer, but it doesn't take a race car driver to spot bad driving | 22:20 |
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| paroneayea | back seat race car drivers | 22:20 |
| Mousey | parasight: haha, the scourge of the track | 22:20 |
| RST38h | Mousey: So how would you market it? | 22:20 |
| Mousey | and by parasight i mean paroneayea | 22:20 |
| * RST38h senses blood in the water | 22:20 | |
| zerojay | The tablets weren't marketed for the masses because it wasn't for them | 22:21 |
| zerojay | It was for us... Devs and power users. | 22:21 |
| kirma | US mobile telecom market is way fucked up. the fact that Nokia hasn't had interest to bend and support it going even more fucked up is the primary reason why they have such a weak market position there... | 22:21 |
| zerojay | To get a community together for this point. | 22:21 |
| Mousey | zerojay: did you SEE the commercials?? it WAS marketed to the masses.. that's all Nokia's interested in | 22:21 |
| zerojay | When it does go mass market. | 22:22 |
| Sygo | kirma, I dont know about interest, there was a wimax edition of the N810, if that doesnt scream interest in the US market, what does? | 22:22 |
| zerojay | The earlier tablets weren't. | 22:22 |
| Mousey | i'm sorry, but US$780 is not mass market | 22:22 |
| zerojay | And we knew that. They told us. | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, oh? You found a US MSRP? | 22:22 |
| suihkulokki | kirma: not completly true.. if you have a convinging enough product (the cupertino product we shall not mention on this channel), the operators (like at&t did) will bend over for you | 22:22 |
| Mousey | Sygo: that was the first one to get the a | 22:22 |
| Luke-Jr | Sygo: huh? WiMax doesn't exist in the US really | 22:22 |
| Mousey | x | 22:22 |
| RST38h | Mousey: Where did you get this price? | 22:22 |
| Mousey | RST38h: the internet! | 22:22 |
| zerojay | Lol | 22:22 |
| RST38h | Mousey: Url? | 22:22 |
| zerojay | Megafail. | 22:23 |
| johnsq | RST38h: 500Euro europe | 22:23 |
| RST38h | johnsq: He is trying to "quote" US price | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Euro never converts directly to dollars. | 22:23 |
| Sygo | Luke-Jr, not anymore it doesnt. LOL | 22:23 |
| RST38h | johnsq: You probably know that US and EU prices for Nokia phones differ? | 22:23 |
| johnsq | RST38h: yes, but make the price pausible | 22:24 |
| Mousey | RST38h: google "Nokia n900 $780" you'll get quite a few hits | 22:24 |
| kirma | wimax edition is... interesting, but the thing that Nokia doesn't like is absurd operator control at cost of manufacturers *and* users, and that's the reason why it has suffered on the market... because the operators don't want their customers to have liberty of making sensible decisions like the GSM users most of the rest of the world | 22:24 |
| Luke-Jr | Mousey: mass market = cell phone | 22:24 |
| RST38h | johnsq: I would guess $500 in US, similar to the N810 prices | 22:24 |
| RST38h | johnsq: Where you had e400 in EU, and $400 in US | 22:24 |
| Mousey | Luke-Jr: i said that | 22:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, yet none of them are even remotely official. | 22:24 |
| kirma | suihkulokki: well. it also involves nasty stuff such as exclusivity agreements that Nokia doesn't value *that* much. | 22:25 |
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| RST38h | All right folks, while you feed on this young Harry Potter troll, I will go sleep. | 22:25 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: thats good | 22:25 |
| RST38h | Difficult day tomorrow. | 22:25 |
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| kirma | but true, yes, if you have a product that has basically a powerful religion supporting it. | 22:25 |
| Mousey | i got called troll! D= | 22:25 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 22:26 |
| Sygo | who hasnt at one time or another? lol | 22:26 |
| lbt | N900 :) | 22:26 |
| zerojay | Guess the sky's just red for some people. | 22:27 |
| wirelessdreamer | most of the people are just sitting in this room drooling over the face that the n900 will be out "soon" | 22:27 |
| lbt | jailbreak: not found ..... ROFL | 22:27 |
| wirelessdreamer | so we're all trolling in a way ;) | 22:27 |
| Mousey | so fine. i'm the only one in the whole world who cares that it's got a cellular chip and that jacks up the price, limits its security and privacy potential, and isn't ever going to be a carrier i'd subscribe to.. fine | 22:27 |
| zerojay | Wow. Nice logic. | 22:28 |
| Mousey | the one bright spot is that the price Isn't Official(tm) | 22:28 |
| wirelessdreamer | I'm concerned that i'll have to switch to a carrier with horrible customer service, and spotty coverage, from a carrier with great coverage, but it'll be for linux in my pocket | 22:28 |
| kirma | I guess mousey could get some support from paranoid RMS | 22:29 |
| Mousey | RMS is a retard | 22:29 |
| Sygo | well...I always complained that my N810 *didn't* have GSM, so I for one am happy that it does. | 22:29 |
| Mousey | a genius, but a retard | 22:29 |
| Mousey | Sygo: you and the known universe | 22:29 |
| xnt14 | http://xceleo.com/ | 22:29 |
| Sygo | I know, right?! lol | 22:29 |
| xnt14 | finally Done! ;) | 22:29 |
| johnsq | nice empty page | 22:30 |
| Mousey | the crappiest part is, there's no other tablet out there that could compare | 22:30 |
| johnsq | Mousey: what bad with the n810? | 22:31 |
| Mousey | johnsq: nothing | 22:31 |
| Mousey | johnsq: well it coulda used GL | 22:31 |
| Mousey | GL-ES even | 22:31 |
| Mousey | but i guess the driver never materialized | 22:31 |
| Mousey | i even got over the mini-sd | 22:31 |
| Mousey | it's the perfect sysadminning tool | 22:32 |
| zerojay | It's still on the way apparently. | 22:32 |
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| Mousey | zerojay: water under the bridge now, eh? | 22:32 |
| xnt14 | johnsq: you don't have js enabled? | 22:32 |
| johnsq | xnt14: never :) | 22:32 |
| xnt14 | :P | 22:33 |
| zerojay | No, we were told it's still on the way by quim. | 22:33 |
| Mousey | zerojay: but if the n810 is discontinued, and the N900 phone-o-rama is all the rage, who's gonna care? | 22:33 |
| zerojay | Just that he's waiting on another company. | 22:33 |
| zerojay | You. :) | 22:33 |
| Mousey | not I, i'm yet to replace mine | 22:33 |
| zerojay | Me. | 22:33 |
| zerojay | Ah, right. | 22:34 |
| Mousey | the glory days of tableteering.. =/ | 22:34 |
| Mousey | now it's all phoneleteering.. | 22:34 |
| maswan | Mousey: There is one thing missing for it to be a perfect sysadminning tool, a decent password manager. Still trying to dig one up. | 22:34 |
| Mousey | maswan: yah, except my brain is my password manager, don't trust 'em. ;) | 22:34 |
| zerojay | Now it's tableteering with no limits. | 22:34 |
| Mousey | zerojay: it's a phone | 22:35 |
| Mousey | with GSM limits | 22:35 |
| johnsq | maswan: vim + mcrypt is a good password manager | 22:35 |
| maswan | Mousey: Doesn't scale though. Especially when you have a large set of shared passwords. | 22:35 |
| zerojay | If you say so. | 22:35 |
| Mousey | maswan: well the n810 is a walking security hole anyway, best to run something like that in a more secure box | 22:36 |
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| Mousey | zerojay: you're right i guess, they could release a cdma-limited too one, concievably, but being a european company, i won't hold my breath.. tethering is still the best solution, imho | 22:36 |
| Sygo | my N810 has been sitting on my desk stuck in "checking for updates, please wait" for over 20 minutes now...I think it knows the N900 is out there. | 22:36 |
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| maswan | Mousey: Well, there is a practical limit to the number of devices I can conveniently carry around all the time.. | 22:38 |
| xxiao | a basic newbie question, is maemo's GUI moving to QT soon? | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | xxiao: in harmattan AFAIK. however Qt is fully supported by community so you can write your qt apps alright now :) | 22:39 |
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| keesj | nobody posting on the ml? | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | see http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Harmattan | 22:41 |
| jaska | harmageddon | 22:41 |
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| xxiao | Stskeeps: thanks. http://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_technology_overview_content/plain_html/node5/ is to be obsolete soon? | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | xxiao: i don't know any time frame on Harmattan. However, that GTK library (Hildon) will be supported like Qt is right now, by community | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | so it won't be preinstalled on a device, but it will be installable and work | 22:45 |
| keesj | installable and rock | 22:45 |
| xxiao | I have a DVR(digital video recorder) device that is running linux, I was asked to get some GUI on it(widgets,etc). Similar request is from another carpc project(also running linux). | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | xxiao: you're free to use the Qt libraries to get things going obviously :) | 22:46 |
| xxiao | Stskeeps: looked at maemo, moblin, andriod,nano-x, qt/embedded, wxwidget, I'm good at low-level but not really for these GUIs, at a loss now | 22:47 |
| keesj | xxiao: e17 is also very hot ATM | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | xxiao: qt is the way to go for a cross platform experience at least :) | 22:47 |
| xxiao | also need i18n, qt is a bit heavy in size, but i guess it's the safe choice. Andriod is sexy, but--I'm not too excited by any java stuff | 22:48 |
| keesj | Stskeeps: what else but linux go you need? | 22:48 |
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| xxiao | keesj: who is using e17 these days? i recall redhat was using it for a while | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | xxiao: all things considered qt looks heavy on the outside but it's really split up in a lot of different libraries :P | 22:49 |
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| kirma | N900 will still lack Qt on its base installation? if so, it seems a bit odd moment to bring a mass-market device to the market, just before a major API change... | 22:52 |
| Mousey | apt-get install libqt* | 22:52 |
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| Stskeeps | kirma: to the average developer it won't make a difference | 22:53 |
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| Stskeeps | the dependancy download is transparent | 22:53 |
| Mousey | they're just Xclients when you get down to it, it's not a big deal if the widgetsets don't match, as long as the requisite libs are installed | 22:53 |
| aol_ | anybody an expert on Qt lisencing ? | 22:53 |
| kirma | stskeeps: I'm wondering about the user perspective | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | kirma: most won't notice :) | 22:53 |
| kirma | like, if I choose to develop directly for Qt, installation of such applications won't be more hassle to the end users? | 22:54 |
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| Stskeeps | correct - provided these are in extras :) | 22:55 |
| xxiao | aol_: co-ask, dual-license probably still exists, but the GPL side adds LGPL now | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | the qt things | 22:55 |
| frade_home | hi, anybody around using hildon + python ? | 22:55 |
| kirma | are they, in general? | 22:55 |
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| Stskeeps | kirma: yeah | 22:55 |
| kirma | ok | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | kirma: so if you use maemo.org extras it will be transparent | 22:55 |
| frade_home | what is the equivalent in python for the hildon_touch_selector_new_text function? | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | just like pymaemo gets taken in by canola installation | 22:55 |
| aol_ | xxiao: I'm wondering is there any way to statically link Qt in closed source projects | 22:56 |
| frade_home | (that function disappeared in an update of the python bindings) | 22:56 |
| aol_ | other than Qt commercial lisence | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | aol_: lgpl .. | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:56 |
| Luke-Jr | aol_: static linking is bad anyway | 22:57 |
| lizardo | frade_home: Hildon.TouchSelector(text=True) | 22:57 |
| Luke-Jr | too bad it's part of C++ | 22:57 |
| lizardo | oops I meant hildon.TouchSelector(text=True) | 22:58 |
| aol_ | Luke-Jr: yeah I know, but distribution is a pain for (show stopper) without static linking | 22:58 |
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| Luke-Jr | aol_: nonsense | 22:58 |
| aol_ | maybe on maemo | 22:58 |
| konttori | frade: sorry, don't know | 22:58 |
| aol_ | but think about symbian or windows ce | 22:58 |
| frade_home | lizardo, thanks! that was exactly what i needed | 22:58 |
| frade_home | lizardo, is there any plan to add more parameters information in the python bindings? | 22:59 |
| konttori | frade: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/python_hildon_tutorial/html/ch-Selectors.html#touch-selector | 22:59 |
| frade_home | konttori, there is a python hildon tutorial!!! | 22:59 |
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| * Luke-Jr notes for any C++/Qt code using templates, LGPL is equivalent to GPL | 23:00 | |
| * frade_home was using the C tutorial and translating it "on the fly" | 23:00 | |
| konttori | ah. well, those indt guys rock | 23:00 |
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| frade_home | konttori_, anyway that page is obsolete... hildon.hildon_touch_selector_entry_new_text() doesn't exist | 23:01 |
| xxiao | another newbie question, is matchbox still the major window manager on maemo/n8xx? | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | n8xx yes, n900 it's matchbox2 | 23:02 |
| Mousey | will the n8xx be upgradable? | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | in terms of? :P | 23:02 |
| Mousey | window managers | 23:02 |
| Mousey | or hell OS2009 or whatever | 23:02 |
| Mousey | or is it like ppc->intel macs; buy new hardware | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | sudo gainroot and go crazy? | 23:03 |
| zerojay | Mer. | 23:03 |
| Mousey | mmmmm, mer | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | heh, no Mer on RX-51 yet | 23:03 |
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| Luke-Jr | Mousey: to summarize, not really | 23:04 |
| zerojay | Who said on rx-51? :) | 23:04 |
| Luke-Jr | Mousey: it's like OS2008 on N770 | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr wants to run gentoo on your n8x0 ;) | 23:05 |
| zerojay | No. It goes further than hacker editions. | 23:05 |
| Luke-Jr | zerojay: how so? | 23:05 |
| xxiao | so, still matchbox, i think matchbox is using gtk? | 23:05 |
| lizardo | frade_home: no plans ATM, but you can add a bugzilla report (https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=PyMaemo) if you want it included soon :) | 23:05 |
| zerojay | Much more of a full makeover than the hacker editions. | 23:06 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 23:06 |
| lizardo | frade_home: oh, I see konttori_ showed you our tutorial... | 23:06 |
| frade_home | lizardo, yes, and great, because i was using the C tutorial | 23:06 |
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| Stskeeps | zerojay: did you manage to get sponsorship btw? | 23:06 |
| zerojay | It's not just maemo 5 on n8xx.. It's stuff being totally reimplemented from what i saw. | 23:07 |
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| Stskeeps | Mer? well, it's more like a re-thinking | 23:07 |
| zerojay | Yes, not sure if i can use it though. | 23:07 |
| Woolly | greetings | 23:07 |
| frade_home | lizardo, oh! there is even the example for home applets! great! | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | we'll see where it ends up | 23:07 |
| zerojay | Mer's an exciting project. | 23:07 |
| lizardo | frade_home: yeah :) but only home widgets ... no status widgets yet | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: what however really is needed is community stepping up to be a counterpart in platform development to nokia, within community | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | and helping where can be helped | 23:08 |
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| * Mousey bites tongue | 23:09 | |
| * Luke-Jr 's mouse bites Mousey's tongue too | 23:09 | |
| zerojay | Luke, wtf was that? | 23:09 |
| Luke-Jr | zerojay: a mouse. | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | and establishing methods for actually making this happen than bugs getting stuck in bugs.maemo.org and noone taking in the patch :P | 23:09 |
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| zerojay | Got a bunch of operation failed, lol | 23:10 |
| Luke-Jr | wtf? | 23:10 |
| zerojay | I dunno. | 23:10 |
| zerojay | Probably a bug in telepathy-idle. | 23:11 |
| xxiao | i hope nokia can streamline its platforms asap, the qt/maemo/gtk/symbian/etc is still not clear to me, they probably can fully open source Qt to compete with android, IMHO | 23:11 |
| javispedro | oh, good, slashdot running the n900 story already. time for laughs. | 23:11 |
| javispedro | xxiao, what part of qt is not opensource? | 23:11 |
| Luke-Jr | xxiao: Qt has been fully open source for about 5 years at least | 23:11 |
| GAN800 | Stories about Maemo on /. turn /. commenters into Engadget commenters. | 23:12 |
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| Woolly | engadget comments suck | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | xxiao: on the other hand isn't it glorious to have a flexible platform? | 23:12 |
| GAN800 | xxiao, Maemo for high-end stuff, Symbian for mid and low, Qt as the crossplatform toolkit. | 23:12 |
| GAN800 | GTK is slowly becoming the legacy toolkit for Maemo. | 23:13 |
| johnsq | xxiao: use gtk or qt and write apps, the toolkit didn't matter, the apps are the work. | 23:13 |
| Luke-Jr | Qt | 23:13 |
| zerojay | Gen800: legacy in linux as a whole as well. | 23:13 |
| javispedro | zerojay, not until we get gnome-qt | 23:14 |
| xxiao | Stskeeps: i sense android is really making a big wave in many devices right now, moblin does not really have much advantage, i like maemo, but it's still "changing" | 23:15 |
| javispedro | (blasphemy!!) | 23:15 |
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| xxiao | zerojay: not really, KDE almost killed itself with 4.x | 23:15 |
| GAN800 | Android is a lot of hype. | 23:15 |
| GAN800 | Moblin is mostly a research project. | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | moblin is a bit odd.. it seems to be GTK + a toolkit not unlike hildon for netbooks | 23:16 |
| zerojay | Xxiao: at least it's alive and innovating. | 23:16 |
| javispedro | xxiao, qt!=kde. see harmattan: it's going to be a frankenstein mix of gnome mobile and qt. | 23:16 |
| xxiao | GAN800: that's true, but when all companies put money behind it, it could work out. sometimes stupid market could beat smart techs | 23:16 |
| xxiao | Stskeeps: moblin is doing clutter, did not really spend time on that for a yet another new framework | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | xxiao: sure but clutter isn't really used in apps.. :P | 23:17 |
| xxiao | javispedro: i know that. but kde is most people get their idea for qt, thank god i'm looking for embedded GUI instead of desktop | 23:18 |
| Luke-Jr | javispedro: GNOME sucks | 23:19 |
| johnsq | xxiao: i think thats your error in thinking, you must write the application useable on the small touchscreen. | 23:19 |
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| xxiao | johnsq: my app is a 7" screen, a mid-size | 23:21 |
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| zerojay | 10 million hits. | 23:22 |
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| Stskeeps | not bad | 23:22 |
| javispedro | bah, too much hype | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | developers!, developers!, developers! | 23:23 |
| javispedro | i'm starting to read about it in sites where I shouldn't be reading about it | 23:23 |
| johnsq | Stskeeps: only trolls and speakers.. | 23:23 |
| zerojay | I'll be our ballmer. | 23:23 |
| javispedro | so it seems it's going to be a hit/hype machine. | 23:23 |
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| zerojay | I'm fat and sweat enough. Lol | 23:23 |
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| xxiao | javispedro: read-about-what? | 23:23 |
| javispedro | this new fangled n900 thing nobody knows nothing about. | 23:23 |
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| GAN800 | zerojay, think the airlines will let you fly with a chair? | 23:25 |
| zerojay | A chair? | 23:26 |
| javispedro | ballmer's favourite sport. does that ring any bell ;) ? | 23:26 |
| zerojay | Shit no. Lol | 23:26 |
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| GAN800 | To throw, of course. | 23:27 |
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| zerojay | If i'm bringing anything, it's the most versatile tool known to man: | 23:27 |
| zerojay | A hockey stick. | 23:27 |
| Luke-Jr | not a handheld? | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You want a crowbar | 23:28 |
| zerojay | Haha | 23:28 |
| Mousey | protip: hockey sticks are handhelds | 23:28 |
| fiferboy | It looks like there will be a few Canadians there | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Canadians? What is this "Canadians" that you talk of? | 23:29 |
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| zerojay | My n810 is my left hand. | 23:29 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: Like Northern Americans | 23:29 |
| zerojay | Which upsets my wife. | 23:29 |
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| fiferboy | Actually, we are North Americans | 23:30 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: I can't remember which is better - Northerners or Suotherners? | 23:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Southerners of course (/me imagines a glaring lcuk) | 23:30 |
| fiferboy | I'm a Southern Canadian, but still North of most of the USA | 23:31 |
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| ArSa | so southern northern north american | 23:33 |
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| zerojay | Everyone in canada is a southern canadian, lol | 23:34 |
| * xnt14 is working on a unity documentation app: http://xceleo.org/unityhelp1.png http://xceleo.org/unityhelp2.png | 23:34 | |
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| ArSa | wasn't unity a mouse/keyboard sharing util? :P | 23:35 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | I keep going to maemo.nokia.com, even though I know nothing'll have changed | 23:36 |
| ArSa | no, that was Synergy... blah for naming | 23:36 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, don't tell anyone, but they'll later correlate the server logs and send free units to those who help most with the ongoing slashdot effect to maemo.nokia.com | 23:36 |
| ArSa | just to listen to the music? | 23:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: you have my word ;) | 23:37 |
| aol_ | is there last.fm client for maemo already btw? | 23:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Vagalume | 23:37 |
| xnt14 | ArSa, :P | 23:37 |
| ArSa | aol_ wasn't there already? | 23:37 |
| aol_ | qwerty12_N810: cool! | 23:37 |
| zerojay | Maemoscrobbler if you just want stats uploaded. | 23:38 |
| ArSa | it's been out for years iirc | 23:38 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 23:38 |
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| xnt14_N900 | ;) | 23:38 |
| xnt14_N900 | xD | 23:38 |
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| xnt14_N900 | hmm | 23:38 |
| javispedro | so, does the keyboard suck xnt? | 23:38 |
| xnt14_N900 | I wonder how fast xchat would be ported to maemo5...... | 23:39 |
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| xnt14 | not yet :P | 23:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | that sentence really needs a comma :) | 23:39 |
| xnt14 | javispedro, idk xD | 23:39 |
| xnt14 | qwerty12_N810, ;) | 23:39 |
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| xnt14 | *bored | 23:39 |
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| ArSa | i wonder if nokia will ever consider making a cdma maemo device :-\ | 23:41 |
| javispedro | 2009 and still some people call the N8x0s "phones". | 23:42 |
| Luke-Jr | ArSa: why would they? | 23:42 |
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| suihkulokki | javispedro: why not? you can make sip and skype calls with them :) | 23:43 |
| javispedro | don't confuse them or they'll try to make emergency calls with them | 23:43 |
| ArSa | i meant phone | 23:43 |
| ArSa | because apparently this will work on t-mobile band in usa | 23:44 |
| xnt14[bored] | xnt dials 911 on his n810.......................jk | 23:44 |
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| ArSa | well, it's not t-mobile band, it's normal international band. | 23:44 |
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| suihkulokki | ArSa: cdma is a closed ecosystem.. even if nokia made cdma maemo phone, your operator could refuse to sell it. | 23:44 |
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| suihkulokki | verizon has for example said they wont sell phones that don't support verizons BREW appstore | 23:45 |
| Luke-Jr | ArSa: GSM is the normal | 23:46 |
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| ArSa | suihkulokki verizon said they will open the network actually, not sure where you heard that. | 23:47 |
| ArSa | not immediately, obviously, but for LTE definitly | 23:47 |
| suihkulokki | http://gizmodo.com/5313854/verizon-phones-will-have-verizons-app-store-no-one-elses | 23:48 |
| ArSa | that's not what you said | 23:48 |
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| ArSa | i don't much care if it's closed or not, i want something that doesn't suck on verizon. imho nokia is not making enough effort. | 23:52 |
| ArSa | i mean look at this shit, click on "nokia" | 23:52 |
| ArSa | http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneOverviewByDevice&deviceType=Phones&sortOption=priceSort&lid=//global//phones+and+accessories//cell+phones# | 23:52 |
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