| timeless_mbp | sadly marius can't spell to save his reputation | 00:05 |
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| johnsq | spellinng isn't important for developers | 00:06 |
| timeless_mbp | or maybe i can't read at 6mins past midnight | 00:06 |
| timeless_mbp | it's the latter, so i definitely need to hunt dinner | 00:07 |
| timeless_mbp | :( | 00:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | no. | 00:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm right, he can't spell | 00:09 |
| timeless_mbp | somehwere | 00:09 |
| * timeless_mbp relies on finns sisu preventing them from asking a spell checker for help | 00:09 | |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/22/AR2006032201943.html | 00:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/search?string=HildonFileSelectionPrivate+*priv+%3D+HILDON_FILE_SELECTION(data)->priv&find=XXX&findi=&filter=[Hh]ildonFileSelectionPrivate+*priv+%3D+HILDON_FILE_SELECTION(data)->priv&hitlimit=&tree=diablo | 00:12 |
| timeless_mbp | does the output from that page seem useful? | 00:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | (and yes, i'm aware the output is stupid in various amusing ways) | 00:12 |
| lcuk | timeless, "Your search was too long, the full search was converted into a filter." | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: yes | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | the search engine doesn't handle strings > 29 characters | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | this search is based on a line of text in a file | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | which is totally bogus as search input :) | 00:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | the point is the recovery path | 00:14 |
| lcuk | well frankly i dunno what it has done | 00:15 |
| lcuk | but it found nothing | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a line that tries to explain what it was searching | 00:16 |
| lcuk | mind you, google cant parse that | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | and it has helpful suggestions for things you could search instead | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | the helpful suggestions are new | 00:17 |
| lcuk | it does a valiant job and gets me the commits | 00:17 |
| timeless_mbp | and are based on javispedro's failing | 00:17 |
| timeless_mbp | "commits"? | 00:17 |
| lcuk | http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&q=HildonFileSelectionPrivate+*priv+%3D+HILDON_FILE_SELECTION(data)-%3Epriv&meta=&fp=1b311284ac0b25f6 | 00:17 |
| lcuk | http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-commits@maemo.org/msg02914.html is first restult | 00:17 |
| lcuk | how come mxr isnt in google to allow you to setup a custom search front end | 00:18 |
| lcuk | as lots of source sites appear to have (I even think itt had a custom google search at some point | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | because i don't think i can afford the bandwidth | 00:18 |
| lcuk | ok reasonable enough, theres a lot of code there | 00:19 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, the reason i asked about "commits" is that you wrote "cant" | 00:19 |
| timeless_mbp | which i parsed as "can not" | 00:19 |
| timeless_mbp | which seemed like a perfectly reasonable parse! | 00:19 |
| lcuk | no, i expected your site to be in the rankings | 00:20 |
| lcuk | and dont really think google should be coming to a mailing list - i hate the way it does, it makes finding code hard | 00:20 |
| lcuk | or rather, reading code | 00:20 |
| * lcuk likes mxr | 00:21 | |
| lcuk | and following links everywhere :) | 00:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll ask my host if he thinks we can afford to let google index us | 00:21 |
| lcuk | how large is the database itself now | 00:23 |
| lcuk | its gotta be mega | 00:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | -rw-r--r-- 1 timeless pg922508 653M 2008-09-22 14:46 xref | 00:24 |
| timeless_mbp | that's just the diablo cross reference | 00:24 |
| lcuk | thats smaller than i expected | 00:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the corresponding glimpse index is about 100mb | 00:25 |
| lcuk | the database of sketches im working with on the tablet is ~115mb | 00:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the box has a number of xref's | 00:25 |
| lcuk | yeah, is it one db per ref | 00:25 |
| timeless_mbp | -rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless pg922508 731M 2008-09-18 17:02 garage-all/xref | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | -rw-r--r-- 1 timeless pg922508 507M 2009-01-28 06:25 garage/xref | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | -rw-r--r-- 1 timeless pg922508 530M 2008-09-20 20:20 sardine-20071025/xref | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | just a random sampling | 00:26 |
| * lcuk nods | 00:26 | |
| timeless_mbp | -rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless pg922508 340M 2009-02-09 14:06 android/xref | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | very random :) | 00:26 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:27 |
| lcuk | so you just point it at a source folder and let it munch its way through it? | 00:27 |
| timeless_mbp | pretty much | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/android/ | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/android/source/ click on the drop down to see a list of the random things that i collected on this host :) | 00:28 |
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| lcuk | now i see where the bandwidth issue comes form | 00:29 |
| lcuk | from | 00:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | yep | 00:30 |
| timeless_mbp | and keep in mind that a bunch of trees have a couple of names | 00:30 |
| timeless_mbp | which means i get to pay 2-3x for each name | 00:30 |
| lcuk | yeah i can see | 00:30 |
| timeless_mbp | plus i have to pay for each identifier | 00:30 |
| timeless_mbp | and possibly each search :) | 00:30 |
| lcuk | what if you altered tact | 00:31 |
| lcuk | and instead of locally hosting attempting a transition to one of the grid databases | 00:31 |
| timeless_mbp | did i mention i'm a web 0.9 person | 00:32 |
| timeless_mbp | that sounds like web 3.0 | 00:32 |
| lcuk | i know | 00:32 |
| timeless_mbp | escary | 00:32 |
| lcuk | but google have heaps of space on their servers for this kind of stuff | 00:32 |
| lcuk | and the processing power they can offer over such large datasets could be good | 00:32 |
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| lcuk | (listen to me, i am the person who has gone right back to basics..) | 00:33 |
| lcuk | im happiest with regular databases | 00:33 |
| pupnik | gardening? | 00:33 |
| pupnik | oh | 00:33 |
| LinuxCode | pupnik, what is wrong with gardening! | 00:34 |
| lcuk | heh, cave painting :P | 00:34 |
| lcuk | gardening is good, you can grow bacon | 00:34 |
| LinuxCode | gardening is good, it keeps you away froma computer | 00:35 |
| LinuxCode | gotta get your Vitamin D somehow | 00:36 |
| * VDVsx kicks autobuilder for taking too much time :( | 00:36 | |
| * pupnik apologises for being useless and offtopic | 00:36 | |
| pupnik | well i did study some GemRB today | 00:37 |
| lbt | timeless_mbp: hi.. do you know about en_gb issue in Mer | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | speak quickly | 00:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm starving | 00:37 |
| lbt | nm | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: the only thing i know is that the string set before last had engb date formats | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | in files that were supposedly enus | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | for which i was terribly embarassed | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i gave Stskeeps fixed strings last week | 00:38 |
| lbt | we should be able to use both though? | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it will mean that people who want engb will um... have to undo some of those changes | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | well, nothing prevents someone from taking my strings and maintaining an engb fork | 00:38 |
| lbt | mutter | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | or a simple symlink | 00:38 |
| lbt | en_gb should be the main en_* set... ;) | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | the changes are mostly color, personalize, and date formatting | 00:38 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | en_GB should be renamed to en | 00:39 |
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| lbt | absolutely | 00:39 |
| lbt | en_us is the fork | 00:39 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | (and a bad one at that ;P) | 00:40 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 00:41 | |
| lcuk | lol qwerty | 00:41 |
| * timeless_mbp wants to strangle some people | 00:41 | |
| timeless_mbp | oddly non nokians | 00:41 |
| lcuk | qwerty, HIDE | 00:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: you're guilty too: I see you using color :p | 00:41 |
| lcuk | im lazy tho | 00:41 |
| lcuk | and i dont write in english or american | 00:41 |
| lcuk | remember, for me, "canvass" used to be the correct spelling | 00:42 |
| timeless_mbp | egads | 00:43 |
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| lcuk | lol timeless | 00:47 |
| lcuk | i had code everywhere that used it | 00:47 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: anyway, about mxr | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | the interesting thing from the original url i gave you was: | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | For faster searches, you could search for these identifiers: HildonFileSelectionPrivate, priv, HILDON_FILE_SELECTION, data, priv | 00:50 |
| lcuk | it offered tokenized suggestions as you said | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | the question is, is that helpful | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | and is it something you or someone like you would understand and use | 00:50 |
| timeless_mbp | if it needs to be presented some other way, i need help :) | 00:51 |
| timeless_mbp | should it be in bold on its own line like the search too long bit? | 00:51 |
| lcuk | i would be more frustrated at hitting the limit than the suggestions offered to be honest, most of the time - a person wouldnt come to a search like that after one iteration | 00:51 |
| lcuk | so in that scenario, it helps randomly, but the user would normally just click back if they are told the query was too long | 00:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm assuming the original query was something like this: | 00:53 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/search?string=hildon_file_selection_new_with_model&find=.&findi=&filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=diablo | 00:53 |
| timeless_mbp | and that it took too long | 00:53 |
| timeless_mbp | except atm it's not taking too long afaict | 00:54 |
| lcuk | what if you told them the same | 00:55 |
| lcuk | but ran the query with the 29chars | 00:55 |
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| lcuk | still give the warning | 00:56 |
| lcuk | but least then they get the first section | 00:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | i do | 01:12 |
| timeless_mbp | the reason the original url gave no output is it was told to only search files named 'xxx' | 01:13 |
| timeless_mbp | oddly, some files do have 'xxx' in their name | 01:13 |
| lcuk | ahh | 01:13 |
| timeless_mbp | so it really did do some work | 01:13 |
| timeless_mbp | just not much, which made the query fast | 01:13 |
| lcuk | lol, mostly depends on what you are searching for | 01:13 |
| lcuk | ok understood | 01:13 |
| lcuk | in that context then, its less of an issue | 01:13 |
| lcuk | it just looked wrong you not trying at all | 01:13 |
| timeless_mbp | historically it wouldn't try at all | 01:14 |
| timeless_mbp | but i changed that a while ago | 01:14 |
| timeless_mbp | this is technically an unrelated improvement | 01:14 |
| timeless_mbp | although i'm hard pressed to come up w/ a case where it's helpful | 01:14 |
| timeless_mbp | other than this one | 01:14 |
| lcuk | heh ok | 01:15 |
| * timeless_mbp will try it on gecko code to see if it's useful | 01:15 | |
| lcuk | i have to vanish, jakes runnin amok and should be fast asleep | 01:16 |
| lcuk | ill catch you later timeless :) | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 01:17 |
| timeless_mbp | now i know why it's doing the wrong thing | 01:17 |
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| pupnik | i wish i could make the hypnotoad sound play when i joined a room | 01:29 |
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| Macer | ok | 01:39 |
| Macer | i give up on all my n810 stuff | 01:39 |
| Macer | it's pointless :) | 01:39 |
| * Macer flashes and puts maemo on it to stay | 01:40 | |
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| Macer | i'll be better off just selling it later after i get an n900 or whatever the want to call it | 01:46 |
| Macer | or my vapor book touch | 01:46 |
| Macer | haha | 01:46 |
| lcuk | n810 is an extremely capable machine | 01:46 |
| lcuk | even if used purely as a remote control with bluemaemo :) | 01:46 |
| Macer | sure, with maemo on it :) | 01:46 |
| Macer | all the alternatives don't work or suck | 01:47 |
| pupnik | what isn't working Macer ? | 01:47 |
| Macer | well. mer has a ton of gui issues | 01:48 |
| timeless_mbp | like what? | 01:48 |
| Macer | gentoo wno't boot because it's literally trying to boot from /dev/{EXT_CARD}p1 (where it can't find its linuxrc | 01:48 |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: edit the menu | 01:48 |
| Macer | the application menu | 01:48 |
| Macer | you get stuck | 01:48 |
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| Macer | or... | 01:48 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 01:48 | |
| Macer | edit the network connections | 01:48 |
| timeless_mbp | the registration thing for maemo summit isn't honoring my privacy settings | 01:49 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks someone | 01:49 | |
| Macer | you get stuck again with no way to get out short of either sshing (which didn't work because it kept asking for my password over and over( | 01:49 |
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| Macer | the strings in the gui are totally borked :) | 01:49 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g.? | 01:49 |
| Macer | so yo uhave things like hildon_didnt_change_this_ok | 01:49 |
| Macer | where just OK should be | 01:49 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 01:49 |
| timeless_mbp | well um | 01:49 |
| Macer | :) | 01:49 |
| Macer | i mean that's cosmetic | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | those are because mer is using an old hildon | 01:50 |
| Macer | but the spots where you get totally stuck | 01:50 |
| Macer | like i said.. the application menu editor | 01:50 |
| Macer | and the network editor | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't really want to maintain diablo hildon strings together with fremantle hildon | 01:50 |
| Macer | are major bugs :) | 01:50 |
| pupnik | newp | 01:50 |
| Macer | as though a screen behind the one you are on | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not even sure how one edits similar things in fremantle | 01:50 |
| Macer | has taken over the screen | 01:50 |
| Macer | but you can't get to it because there is one in front of it | 01:51 |
| pupnik | newp to timeless_mbp, not Macer sory | 01:51 |
| timeless_mbp | "newp" ? | 01:51 |
| pupnik | that does sound like a bug | 01:51 |
| pupnik | the short version of 'nope' | 01:51 |
| Macer | pupnik: well. when trying to edit the network | 01:51 |
| Macer | the "key access" screen is in teh background | 01:51 |
| pupnik | d'oh | 01:51 |
| Macer | you can't click ok because the key access menu has taken control | 01:51 |
| timeless_mbp | network = network-manager | 01:51 |
| Macer | so you're basically just stuck | 01:51 |
| timeless_mbp | network-manager = disaster | 01:51 |
| timeless_mbp | i tried translating it once | 01:52 |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: i don't think it is that | 01:52 |
| timeless_mbp | i have the strings i did somewhere | 01:52 |
| Macer | i think it is another major bug | 01:52 |
| Macer | because | 01:52 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think i gave them to sts yet | 01:52 |
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| Macer | it does the same thing | 01:52 |
| pupnik | Macer, i suspect that a lot of gui-stuff is still unfinished | 01:52 |
| Macer | when ediing the application menu | 01:52 |
| timeless_mbp | i think they're likely to drop nm in favor of something else | 01:52 |
| Macer | is there a way to run stock hildon in mer? | 01:52 |
| zerojayPC | What's the name of the syslogd for maemo again? | 01:52 |
| pupnik | or rather gui-helper apps. You should have a running terminal to do anything you want ;) | 01:52 |
| timeless_mbp | sysklogd | 01:52 |
| zerojayPC | Thanks | 01:52 |
| Macer | instead of the mer one? | 01:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | Macer: stock hildon from maemo4.1 or from maemo5.0? | 01:53 |
| Macer | from diablo | 01:53 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem is that the strings are from maemo5.0 | 01:53 |
| timeless_mbp | you could install the diablo strings from enus1 in extras-devel | 01:53 |
| timeless_mbp | that should give you fewer foo_bar_baz_strings | 01:54 |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: if i could get to the menus to do it | 01:54 |
| Macer | haha | 01:54 |
| Macer | but the menu editing was a deal breaker | 01:54 |
| Macer | everything is in extras | 01:54 |
| Macer | and you can't move it with the gui | 01:54 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes repository.maemo.org with a stick | 01:54 | |
| Macer | everything is put into extras by default no matter where you tell it to go in the menu | 01:54 |
| timeless_mbp | language-support-translations-enus1 is the package | 01:55 |
| timeless_mbp | if you want to install it w/ apt | 01:55 |
| timeless_mbp | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/l/ | 01:55 |
| Macer | i'd have to re-install mer first | 01:55 |
| timeless_mbp | it will pull in ~70 packages | 01:55 |
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| Macer | which honestly. i think i'll just wait until my n810 is obsolete | 01:55 |
| Macer | and run maemo on it | 01:55 |
| Macer | and shove it in my car like i was going to | 01:55 |
| Macer | ;) | 01:55 |
| Macer | and wait for my vaporbook touch | 01:55 |
| timeless_mbp | apple vaporbook? | 01:55 |
| Macer | no | 01:55 |
| Macer | touch book | 01:55 |
| Macer | vaporware edition | 01:55 |
| Macer | i might actually just get a smartq7 | 01:56 |
| Macer | and put debian on it :) | 01:56 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't know that vendor | 01:56 | |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: made by always innovating | 01:56 |
| Macer | it's their version of the pandora | 01:56 |
| lcuk | without a keyboard | 01:57 |
| lcuk | and with a bigger screen | 01:57 |
| lcuk | and no nobbles | 01:57 |
| zerojayPC | timeless_mbp: Eh... apparently, it cannot be found, even though i remember it being sysklogd like you said. ;/ | 01:57 |
| lcuk | and a battery so big i think lifetime is measured in weeks | 01:57 |
| timeless_mbp | zerojayPC: what dist and what repos? | 01:57 |
| Macer | lcuk: haha | 01:58 |
| Macer | hence, vaporware | 01:58 |
| zerojayPC | timeless_mbp: Standard diablo. | 01:58 |
| Macer | the company literally said they were shipping | 01:58 |
| lcuk | smartq7 is nice | 01:58 |
| Macer | and yet nobody has gotten 1 in 3 weeks | 01:58 |
| Macer | lcuk: yeah | 01:58 |
| Macer | i was going to get one and run debian on it | 01:58 |
| zerojayPC | Maybe it's in extras-devel? | 01:58 |
| Macer | REAL debian | 01:58 |
| Macer | haha | 01:58 |
| lcuk | its only marginally more powerful than the 810 tho isnt it | 01:58 |
| lcuk | lbt, you know better than most | 01:59 |
| timeless_mbp | repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/s/sysklogd/ | 01:59 |
| jeremiah | I saw one in Copenhagen and it looked pretty cheap to me. | 01:59 |
| timeless_mbp | it used to be there in chinook | 01:59 |
| lbt | ? | 01:59 |
| jeremiah | (the smartq7) | 01:59 |
| Macer | heh | 01:59 |
| lbt | Q7... it's v. similar to N800 CPU up to 667 though | 01:59 |
| Macer | i think it was like 677 | 01:59 |
| Macer | yah | 02:00 |
| Macer | i'm wondering if it acts more like a pc though than the n800 | 02:00 |
| lbt | No | 02:00 |
| lbt | it's a big tablet | 02:00 |
| Macer | what OS does it run? | 02:00 |
| lbt | kinda cute when you plug a USB keyboard in though | 02:00 |
| lbt | and use the terminal maximised | 02:01 |
| lbt | Mer of course | 02:01 |
| Macer | no i mean | 02:01 |
| Macer | seriously | 02:01 |
| Macer | :) | 02:01 |
| Macer | what does it come with haha | 02:01 |
| lbt | fairly vanilla ubuntu IIRC | 02:01 |
| Macer | ah ok | 02:01 |
| lbt | some extra menus - I took piccies | 02:01 |
| lbt | it's not good | 02:01 |
| Macer | it's like $250 or so right? | 02:02 |
| Macer | or something like that? | 02:02 |
| lbt | it varies | 02:02 |
| lbt | sounds right | 02:02 |
| Macer | how's battery life? | 02:02 |
| lbt | goshawk sells them with a 2yr warranty IIRC | 02:02 |
| Macer | same as this aspire 1? | 02:02 |
| Macer | heh | 02:02 |
| lbt | not great - Mer still has issues in that area | 02:02 |
| lbt | we need to get the kernel to work with powertop | 02:03 |
| * Macer won't start with the mer issues | 02:03 | |
| Macer | :) | 02:03 |
| lbt | I thought you ran gentoo ? | 02:03 |
| Macer | i tried | 02:03 |
| Macer | wouldn't boot | 02:03 |
| Macer | had the fb working and everything | 02:03 |
| Macer | which was actually cooler in maemo than gentoo | 02:04 |
| lbt | ah, I got confused - I mean, mer has some minor issues atm | 02:04 |
| Macer | would try to literally use {EXT_CARD}p1 | 02:04 |
| lbt | but it just works on my Q7 and N800 | 02:04 |
| Macer | as though the string isn't getting passed off to it or something | 02:04 |
| Macer | who knows | 02:04 |
| Macer | i gave up | 02:04 |
| lbt | I only boot diablo for liqbase | 02:04 |
| Macer | and just started to put stock maemo on | 02:04 |
| lbt | fair enough | 02:04 |
| lbt | maybe try again on 0.16 | 02:04 |
| Macer | yeah | 02:04 |
| lbt | we need devs really | 02:05 |
| Macer | i'll probably check it every 5 vers or so ;) | 02:05 |
| Macer | haha | 02:05 |
| lbt | I'm surprised how few seem to actually be helping out | 02:05 |
| Macer | last one i tried before 0.15 was 0.9 | 02:05 |
| Macer | and honestly | 02:05 |
| Macer | the gui seems the same :) | 02:05 |
| Macer | horribly immature and broken | 02:06 |
| Macer | i mean i'm sure you guys did a ton of work on the base.. but yeah.. i'm not too bad with this stuff and it like... is wow | 02:06 |
| lbt | well, neither me nor sts are gtk coders - and "community developed" doesn't mean "wait for someone else to do it" | 02:06 |
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| Macer | lbt: not a CS major ;) | 02:06 |
| lbt | yeah, I didn't mean you specially | 02:07 |
| Macer | truth be told | 02:07 |
| Macer | i think someone will simply port maemo 5 over to the n810 | 02:07 |
| Macer | later on :) | 02:07 |
| Macer | and i dont mean mer | 02:08 |
| lbt | err, Mer is maemo5 ported to the n810 | 02:08 |
| lbt | the free bits | 02:08 |
| Macer | yah well.. | 02:08 |
| Macer | i have the feeling someone will port actual maemo 5 over | 02:08 |
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| lbt | more likely if we get more drivers | 02:09 |
| lbt | anyhow... it's late | 02:09 |
| lbt | 'night all | 02:09 |
| Macer | good night | 02:09 |
| pupnik | mmm A-One beef ramen is relatively good | 02:11 |
| jeremiah | Relative to what? Dog food? | 02:13 |
| pupnik | other ramen brands, silly | 02:14 |
| * timeless_mbp grins | 02:15 | |
| pupnik | not sure it's worth the cost | 02:15 |
| timeless_mbp | i had fun w/ a bug last week | 02:15 |
| timeless_mbp | someone filed a bug, and was told that they were smoking something | 02:15 |
| timeless_mbp | someone defended the bug filer | 02:15 |
| timeless_mbp | i called the defender by phone and then chewed him out while he was on speaker phone | 02:15 |
| timeless_mbp | then i verified the bug as invalid indicating he had agreed by phone (i had a number of ear witnesses) | 02:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | someone was afraid the bug would be "reopened" because the wrong person did the verification, but it was closed recently, so i don't think the bug will try to return to the land of the living :) | 02:16 |
| * pupnik rereads | 02:17 | |
| pupnik | ahhhh | 02:18 |
| pupnik | yes, likely :) | 02:18 |
| timeless_mbp | actually that summary is missing the point where i resolved the bug as invalid before the defender stepped in, but ... | 02:18 |
| timeless_mbp | so... one thing i ask of people here | 02:19 |
| timeless_mbp | could you take some time and describe how/where you use your tablets | 02:19 |
| pupnik | where? | 02:19 |
| timeless_mbp | what sort of network environment (signal quality) | 02:19 |
| timeless_mbp | stationary, moving, @home, @work, @train | 02:19 |
| pupnik | here? now? | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | under those conditions, do you expect/tolerate different results? do you do different things? | 02:20 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: we'd have gone with fremantle hildon desktop if we could. fact: it's too bloody tied up in clutter. | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | survey your last year or so | 02:20 |
| javispedro | timeless, fwiw, I just read the logs -- hope I remember to do ident searches in the future :P | 02:20 |
| Stskeeps | and hence to the 3d drivers | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: =) | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | mxr should help you there, since it'll now suggest them :) | 02:21 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, my god, your wife is forgiving lol | 02:21 |
| lcuk | :) hope you had a good day | 02:21 |
| timeless_mbp | also, i think the front page has changed so now highlights ident search | 02:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | otoh, it doesn't do it in a way that means much if you don't know what it is | 02:22 |
| lcuk | lbt, o_O i am the sticker for maemo | 02:22 |
| lcuk | does liqbase run on your smartq | 02:22 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: so before complaining i'd like to see you approach the problem better with absolutely no clear indication of how many parts of fremantle ui looked like, and design for that. | 02:22 |
| javispedro | thanks timeless and sorry if I caused too much mayhem :) | 02:23 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: just reimplement windows 3.1 | 02:23 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: nah, no problem | 02:23 |
| timeless_mbp | although it usually is better to include a url | 02:23 |
| timeless_mbp | the fact that i had server logs is not typical | 02:23 |
| timeless_mbp | "something is broken" | 02:23 |
| timeless_mbp | is the input i usually get from a manager | 02:24 |
| timeless_mbp | and definitely does not endear them to me | 02:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | since i work on web browsers, and web servers, people can usually say "this url <...> doesn't load" | 02:24 |
| timeless_mbp | and that is much easier to deal with than "something is broken" | 02:24 |
| javispedro | oh, I know that. "it doesn't work" instead of the way more useful even though still pretty generic "outputs useless data". | 02:25 |
| javispedro | sometimes I would pay to know that before I have to move my ass :P | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway... | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm considering talking about "problems facing mobile browser developers" at Maemo Summit | 02:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | although that's not a sexy title for a session | 02:27 |
| * Stskeeps 'd try to hear that session | 02:27 | |
| timeless_mbp | "why it would be bad if the browser bought you 2 cars when you were only trying to buy 1" might be better, if only a tad bit long | 02:28 |
| timeless_mbp | that was the invalid bug btw | 02:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyway, it'd help me if people could describe (in mailto timeless@gmail) | 02:29 |
| timeless_mbp | how they try to use their "mobile" devices | 02:29 |
| timeless_mbp | especially the wheres, whens, hows, expectations, failings,... | 02:29 |
| timeless_mbp | in a span of 2 days i had two people describing interesting scenarios | 02:29 |
| timeless_mbp | day 1, buying 2 cars. day 2, a chance to order two hotel rooms | 02:30 |
| Stskeeps | i often book train tickets. | 02:30 |
| Stskeeps | very useful on the go. | 02:30 |
| javispedro | timeless, will guess. he bought two cars because he tried to go back and the browser POST'd same data twice and some idiot on the server side did not handle that? | 02:31 |
| javispedro | *wild guess. | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: approximately | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | it was actually he wanted the browser to automatically POST again if he intentionally changed networks | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | (or accidentally changed networks, he didn't care) | 02:31 |
| timeless_mbp | i had to explain to him why it would be a bad idea to buy two cars for the user | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | it was a very very funny conversation, and my coworkers enjoyed it | 02:32 |
| javispedro | that scenario happened to me.. on fax. | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | wow | 02:32 |
| timeless_mbp | if you could transcribe your story and send it to me by email, that'd be great | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd love to be able to mention it when i give my talk | 02:33 |
| javispedro | it's not tablet related :P | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | no, but it's related in that it explains how these things can happen | 02:33 |
| t_s_o | why am i reminded of the cuban crisis... | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | and why browsers can't simply do certain things | 02:33 |
| timeless_mbp | t_s_o: cuban missile or some other crisis? | 02:34 |
| t_s_o | that would be the one | 02:34 |
| timeless_mbp | well, there was water between me and the reporter | 02:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | mostly a lot of land | 02:34 |
| t_s_o | heh | 02:34 |
| timeless_mbp | which given that the instigator of the crisis was russia and not cuba | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i guess the same would apply (all of europe being mostly land) | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | there was also a language barrier | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | (only one of us spoke English natively, even though we were all ostensibly conversing in it) | 02:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | the moves were telegraphed (if you consider bugzilla a telegraph like thing) | 02:36 |
| pupnik | timeless_mbp: do i understand correctly that you would like concrete examples rather than "i websurf a lot at home, less on the go" | 02:36 |
| timeless_mbp | concrete examples would definitely be better | 02:37 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. saying "i use my device in an airplane" or "i use my device on a train" | 02:37 |
| javispedro | what I learnt is that this scenario should be handled server side. something can & will go wrong on the client (disconnection while downloading response page, or, as in my case, the fax software (outlook, go figure) wrongly considering it didn't went through ). | 02:37 |
| timeless_mbp | isn't as good as "i use my device weekly on roundtrip plane rides from WAS to SFO" | 02:37 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: well, thing is, while it'd be nice if servers weren't stupid | 02:38 |
| timeless_mbp | in fact, they are :) | 02:38 |
| pupnik | ... "to access ...." | 02:38 |
| timeless_mbp | note that if you're using planes, you should mention whether they have WiFi allowed or banned and GPRS allowed or banned | 02:39 |
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| pupnik | i'm wondering if you're more interested in what situations one uses it in, or what kinds of sites / transactions people do | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're using trains, please indicate if your service has WiFi, or various fluctuations in GPRS network conditions | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | well, thing is | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | imagine you could have a device | 02:40 |
| timeless_mbp | and you only used it in your home | 02:40 |
| timeless_mbp | why would you care how big/bulky/heavy it was? | 02:40 |
| timeless_mbp | or how long its battery lasted? | 02:40 |
| pupnik | because i have to do a lot of work at home and need to be mobile | 02:40 |
| javispedro | easy: night bed reading. | 02:40 |
| pupnik | maybe *your* home is a cardboard box... | 02:40 |
| timeless_mbp | if you only use it at home and at work, and both are capable of charging it, why do you care how long its battery lasts? | 02:40 |
| timeless_mbp | things like that | 02:41 |
| pupnik | a ok | 02:41 |
| timeless_mbp | do you actually use it while walking from point A to point B in a building? | 02:41 |
| pupnik | well that got me started | 02:41 |
| timeless_mbp | why? | 02:41 |
| timeless_mbp | etc. | 02:41 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, i walk around Nokia w/ my MacBook Pro open | 02:41 |
| javispedro | timeless, open a tmo thread :) | 02:41 |
| timeless_mbp | so that i can keep my irc sessions alive | 02:41 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: open one for me and summarize the results ;-) | 02:42 |
| * timeless_mbp isn't touching tmo | 02:42 | |
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| kfx | 18:39 < timeless_mbp> so that i can keep my irc sessions alive | 02:42 |
| zerojayPC | I love how it's almost impossible to convince apt-get that there's a deb in the current directory that I'd like to install. | 02:42 |
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| kfx | this sounds like someone who needs to man screen | 02:42 |
| zerojayPC | apt-get install ./crap.deb doesn't work. | 02:42 |
| zerojayPC | apt-get install crap.deb doesn't work. | 02:43 |
| timeless_mbp | zerojayPC: dpkg -i foo.deb | 02:43 |
| kfx | zerojayPC: dpkh -i | 02:43 |
| zerojayPC | ok | 02:43 |
| kfx | TOO SLOW, KFX | 02:43 |
| kfx | also too typoed | 02:43 |
| timeless_mbp | kfx: i have scree sessions | 02:43 |
| kfx | I give up forever | 02:43 |
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| * timeless_mbp points to timeless | 02:43 | |
| timeless_mbp | sreen | 02:43 |
| timeless_mbp | screen | 02:43 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, i seem to really need food | 02:43 |
| kfx | seems like a lot of work to maintain an extra irc session | 02:43 |
| timeless_mbp | well, it isn't the only reason | 02:43 |
| kfx | I know | 02:44 |
| kfx | secretly, you just want everyone to know you have a mac | 02:44 |
| timeless_mbp | the point is that in a building, i don't mind carrying a laptop | 02:44 |
| timeless_mbp | kfx: a mac that required something like 3 layers of approvals :) | 02:44 |
| timeless_mbp | (after a mac purchasing freeze!) | 02:44 |
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| kfx | I hope you then installed slackware on it, just to spite the purchasing dept | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | so yeah, there could be something to that ;-) | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | um, no | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | but i do have virtualbox, w7, opensolaris, and mer on it :) | 02:45 |
| kfx | man I'm about to have to brush up on solaris | 02:45 |
| kfx | :( | 02:45 |
| timeless_mbp | the purchasing department isn't a problem | 02:46 |
| kfx | I was looking at canadian sysadmin jobs and they all demand solaris experience and I can't figure out why | 02:46 |
| timeless_mbp | the reimbursement and it service departments otoh | 02:46 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, i'm not trying very hard w/ the reimbursement department | 02:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I dun own you shit. | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | ohwait | 02:59 |
| lcuk | heh, GeneralAntilles drunken promises again :P | 03:02 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't drink. | 03:02 | |
| lcuk | catnip? | 03:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Snorting silicon. | 03:08 |
| t_s_o | high on /dev/random? | 03:09 |
| GAN800 | lbt, anything in particular you're pointing me to on m-vo's blog? | 03:11 |
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| lcuk | GAN800, he mentions they are using the new categories | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, yeah, I've known that since, like, last year. ;) | 03:54 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN800: you didn't promise a ui refresh for mxr? | 03:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, sorry, I did, just being silly/unhelpful. ;) | 03:54 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: so... any idea when maemo.org leaves beta? | 03:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I want to organize a meeting before that point. | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think we need to kill and reorg some content before then. | 04:01 |
| timeless_mbp | before or after summit? | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/community/ for instance | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Has a lot of crap in it. | 04:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully before | 04:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ideally this month. | 04:02 |
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| zerojayPC | I just got Facebook chat working through RTCOMM. | 04:13 |
| zerojayPC | :) | 04:13 |
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| zerojayPC | Eh... and somehow broke MSN's contact list doing so. Hmm. | 04:38 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 04:41 |
| zerojayPC | Still online.. just that it's not showing them as online or not. | 04:42 |
| * timeless_mbp goes back to stupid strings | 04:42 | |
| zerojayPC | I'll figure it out. | 04:42 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN800: did you see my latest funny? | 04:42 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 05:15 | |
| * timeless_mbp wants to strangle a bunch of people | 05:15 | |
| timeless_mbp | normally we don't use "the", except, on rare occasions when it doesn't belong, then we do! | 05:16 |
| zerojayPC | Hah. | 05:17 |
| zerojayPC | Robot101: ping? | 05:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, missed it I think. | 05:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | hello world | 05:59 |
| timeless_mbp | suppose you encounter a file | 05:59 |
| timeless_mbp | it seems to be a movie | 05:59 |
| timeless_mbp | and you try to play it | 05:59 |
| timeless_mbp | only it turns out that you haven't purchased it | 05:59 |
| timeless_mbp | what sort of message could your computer give to you to explain why it can't play it? | 05:59 |
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| zerojayPC | "The license for this movie could not be found. Please head to the Ovi store to buy a license to play it." | 06:08 |
| zerojayPC | Or replace "movie" with content for a more generic response. | 06:08 |
| kfx | "you stole this. report to the ticktockman to have your cardioplate wiped." | 06:09 |
| * timeless_mbp doubts the Ovi store will accept visitors ;-) | 06:10 | |
| zerojayPC | Heh.. well, if you wanna parse it that way... ;) | 06:11 |
| timeless_mbp | would "LIcense file not found." be sufficient? | 06:12 |
| timeless_mbp | or do i actually have to say "Can't play file" ? | 06:12 |
| timeless_mbp | (I won't use a capital I, i promise) | 06:13 |
| kfx | combine 'em | 06:14 |
| timeless_mbp | Can't play, license file not found. | 06:14 |
| kfx | "License required to display this content." | 06:14 |
| kfx | yeah | 06:14 |
| timeless_mbp | if you were expecting an XML file and you encountered a CSV file | 06:15 |
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| kfx | "Sensible data format encountered; crazy moon language expected." | 06:16 |
| kfx | then I'd segfault | 06:16 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 06:16 |
| Proteous | hah | 06:16 |
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| Luke-Jr | timeless_mbp: that would be a lie | 06:23 |
| timeless_mbp | Luke-Jr: which? the CSV or the XML? | 06:23 |
| Luke-Jr | [22:14:41] <timeless_mbp> Can't play, license file not found. | 06:23 |
| Luke-Jr | that should be "Won't play, because you don't really own your computer" | 06:24 |
| kfx | s/Ca/Wo/; | 06:24 |
| timeless_mbp | so ... | 06:25 |
| timeless_mbp | if the license file is actually the decryption key | 06:25 |
| Luke-Jr | then call it that? ☺ | 06:25 |
| Luke-Jr | hmm | 06:25 |
| Luke-Jr | that could be used in some evil DRM... | 06:25 |
| Luke-Jr | use part of the computer info as part of the decryption key | 06:26 |
| Luke-Jr | I guess someone could extract that info and save/share it, but then he'd be caught | 06:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | that's not the point | 06:32 |
| timeless_mbp | the point is that the file they have really isn't sufficient for the player to play it | 06:32 |
| timeless_mbp | i could say "Can't play media, decryption key is missing" | 06:32 |
| Luke-Jr | yes | 06:32 |
| Luke-Jr | your point was valid | 06:32 |
| Luke-Jr | so I moved on | 06:32 |
| timeless_mbp | but that wouldn't mean much to a normal human | 06:32 |
| Luke-Jr | how about | 06:32 |
| Luke-Jr | "I can play this, but it'll look like static without a license file" | 06:33 |
| timeless_mbp | Can't play media, missing decryption key (license file)" | 06:33 |
| timeless_mbp | not really | 06:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | the file is /probably/ not valid w/o a decryption key | 06:33 |
| timeless_mbp | which means it couldn't even decide where to jump to | 06:34 |
| Luke-Jr | so generate random noise to make it believable | 06:34 |
| timeless_mbp | lol | 06:34 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, i'm a localizer | 06:34 |
| Luke-Jr | XD | 06:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't have control over what the program does | 06:34 |
| timeless_mbp | ok,... back to my XML/CSV | 06:34 |
| timeless_mbp | how to i explain to the user that the file wasn't in a format the program expected? | 06:35 |
| Luke-Jr | "wtf is this crap" | 06:35 |
| timeless_mbp | I don't really want to write "Can't decode/interpret/process file" | 06:35 |
| timeless_mbp | Unrecognized file format ? | 06:35 |
| kfx | "crazy ass garbage." | 06:36 |
| kfx | (segfault) | 06:36 |
| timeless_mbp | again, i can't change program behavior | 06:36 |
| timeless_mbp | well, that's not true | 06:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i probably *couldn't* cause it to crash | 06:36 |
| timeless_mbp | err | 06:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i probably *could* cause it to crash | 06:36 |
| timeless_mbp | :o | 06:36 |
| Luke-Jr | yeah | 06:37 |
| timeless_mbp | but apparently my fingers are more used to writing couldn't | 06:37 |
| Luke-Jr | set the size of the string to 48 TB | 06:37 |
| kfx | that's a negative outlook | 06:37 |
| kfx | I've yet to meet the program I couldn't wreck up | 06:37 |
| Luke-Jr | malloc(48 TB) usually crashes I think | 06:37 |
| kfx | timeless_mbp: "Unable to render file:" followed by why not. like (bad file format|license not found|this is a word document you idiot|how did you even get commodore machine language on here) | 06:38 |
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| zerojayPC | "This file type could not be understood"? | 06:44 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't use "render" :) | 06:44 |
| timeless_mbp | and "understood" is problematic | 06:44 |
| zakkm | Macer: ping.? :P | 06:44 |
| zerojayPC | Is this string for a particular program or just for the OS in general? | 06:44 |
| timeless_mbp | particular program | 06:44 |
| kfx | "File incomprehensible." | 06:45 |
| zerojayPC | [app name] could not recognize the file type of file [filename]? | 06:46 |
| zerojayPC | actually, lop off that last "file". | 06:47 |
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| Macer | hm | 06:57 |
| Macer | i'm starting to think | 06:57 |
| Macer | that it would be easier to just install maemo and the debian chroot to get abiword with cups support | 06:57 |
| Macer | wonder how hard it would be to start it up | 06:57 |
| zerojayPC | Wow, people still print shit on paper these days? | 06:58 |
| Sho_ | Paper? Those were those very thin tree slices? | 07:01 |
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| zakkm | Macer: i bought that 23.3" 2048x1152 monitor :D | 07:06 |
| Macer | how much was that thing? | 07:06 |
| zakkm | $215 usd after tax and all | 07:07 |
| zakkm | the buttons on the monitor are touch sensitive :D | 07:07 |
| zakkm | they arent even like push buttons | 07:07 |
| Sho_ | wow, a button that is touch-sensitive. | 07:07 |
| zakkm | on a monitor? | 07:07 |
| zakkm | ive never seen that | 07:07 |
| zakkm | run Mac OSX too by the way. | 07:08 |
| Sho_ | aren't buttons *always* touch-sensitive? ;) | 07:08 |
| zakkm | no | 07:08 |
| zakkm | well eah in a way | 07:08 |
| zerojayPC | You're talking about a button like the PS3's power and eject buttons? | 07:09 |
| zerojayPC | Doesn't look or feel like a button but acts like one anyways without anything really being pushed down? | 07:10 |
| zakkm | i guess so? | 07:10 |
| zakkm | yeah | 07:10 |
| zakkm | button that isnt pushed down | 07:10 |
| zakkm | i call it touch sensitive | 07:10 |
| zakkm | http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/416aebb947.jpg :D | 07:12 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 08:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | morning | 08:41 |
| zakkm | morning guys :) | 08:42 |
| zerojayPC | Takes Facebook a while before it gets someone's proper name instead of talking to just a numbered person you won't recognize. | 08:45 |
| zerojayPC | RTCOMM doesn't seem to understand Facebook avatars either. :/ | 08:45 |
| zakkm | rtcomm still gets used? | 08:46 |
| zakkm | does anyone know how to get msn/haze working? | 08:46 |
| zakkm | or perhaps an alternate to haze | 08:46 |
| zerojayPC | Works just fine. | 08:46 |
| zerojayPC | Install qole's libpurple0. | 08:46 |
| zakkm | ah | 08:46 |
| zakkm | libpurple solution | 08:46 |
| zerojayPC | It fixes the issue. | 08:46 |
| zakkm | :) | 08:46 |
| zakkm | i knew there was something, just forgotten :D thanks | 08:47 |
| zakkm | ohh | 08:47 |
| zerojayPC | And a few hours ago, I got Facebook chat to work through RTCOMM. | 08:47 |
| zakkm | do you know how to do it so it doesnt show everyoneee offline | 08:47 |
| zakkm | when you goto "new chat" ? | 08:47 |
| zerojayPC | You don't have to do anything for that. | 08:47 |
| zakkm | ? | 08:47 |
| zakkm | i have like 200 ppl on msn list, and 200 ppl on aim list | 08:47 |
| zakkm | so when i goto new chat.. it takess ages to load | 08:47 |
| zerojayPC | Same here. | 08:47 |
| zakkm | i want it just to show online ppl:p | 08:48 |
| zerojayPC | Takes maybe 3 seconds here. | 08:48 |
| zakkm | takes me way longer | 08:48 |
| zerojayPC | List starts at the top of the list of everyone online for that protocol. | 08:48 |
| zakkm | yeah | 08:48 |
| zakkm | but it still shows offline ppl doesnt it? | 08:48 |
| zerojayPC | At the bottom of the list. | 08:49 |
| zerojayPC | which makes sense. | 08:49 |
| zakkm | but it still shows | 08:50 |
| zakkm | and the fact that it shows.. makes it take long to load | 08:50 |
| zerojayPC | Well, they need to be shown anyways. | 08:50 |
| zakkm | should be a way to hide :D | 08:51 |
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| pablo | in maemo, does "libglu1-mesa " exist? | 09:21 |
| zakkm | there is no mesa is there? | 09:22 |
| zakkm | pablo: oh yes there is sorry | 09:22 |
| zakkm | not in default repositories i dont think, but http://muksuluuri.unrealvoodoo.org/maemo/backup/?C=N;O=D seems to have it? | 09:22 |
| pablo | thanks | 09:23 |
| zakkm | mgiht be OS2007 though. | 09:23 |
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| Macer | lcuk? | 09:50 |
| Macer | oh. not here | 09:50 |
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| Macer | do people use ruby anymore? | 10:05 |
| Macer | wow | 10:06 |
| Macer | search-gurgh-mughom | 10:06 |
| Macer | klingon dictionary search plugin | 10:06 |
| Macer | holy shit | 10:06 |
| Macer | now that is way beyond the nerd status quo | 10:06 |
| Vulcanis | DOES YOUR IPOD TOUCH HAVE THAT, APPLE? DIDN'T THINK SO | 10:06 |
| zakkmm | hah | 10:06 |
| Vulcanis | *coughs, brushes suit* Sorry. | 10:06 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 10:07 |
| Macer | i'm sure it does ;) | 10:07 |
| Vulcanis | uh | 10:07 |
| Vulcanis | it uh, doesn't | 10:07 |
| Macer | it's probably ported | 10:07 |
| Vulcanis | I've... checked... | 10:07 |
| Vulcanis | :\ | 10:07 |
| Macer | :) hahhahaQ | 10:07 |
| Macer | ! | 10:07 |
| zakkmm | ;p | 10:07 |
| Vulcanis | it may be in some obscure jailbroken repo | 10:07 |
| Vulcanis | but everything in those is pretty slow and unusable | 10:07 |
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| zakkmm | got a iphone? | 10:08 |
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| Macer | zakkmm: my question was "why were you looking for a klingon dictionary?" | 10:09 |
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| Macer | i mean.. i like the show and all but... learning an imaginary language? | 10:09 |
| Macer | on the next star trek movie with the new kirk crew | 10:10 |
| Macer | they are probably going to have the klingons speaking a different language | 10:10 |
| Macer | haha | 10:10 |
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| Macer | just to really throw the nerds off | 10:10 |
| zakkmm | its for ppl to talk to the nerds. not for learning language ;p | 10:10 |
| Macer | lol | 10:10 |
| Macer | all 10 people who can probably speak it? | 10:10 |
| Vulcanis | macer, why not? | 10:11 |
| zakkmm | like a sorta translator | 10:11 |
| Vulcanis | I mean, sometimes you have to understand people who speak it | 10:11 |
| * Macer pictures dr hawkings with a klingon voice box | 10:11 | |
| Vulcanis | and its a written language too | 10:11 |
| zakkmm | o ibet its more | 10:11 |
| Macer | lol | 10:11 |
| Vulcanis | but its more like learning a few phrases in random languages just to confuse people | 10:11 |
| Macer | uh huh | 10:11 |
| Vulcanis | or those people who can swear in 72 languages but can barely form coherent sentances in their primar | 10:12 |
| Vulcanis | y | 10:12 |
| zakkmm | why not just talk jibberish? | 10:12 |
| Vulcanis | because thats not a language :\ | 10:12 |
| zakkmm | but ythey dont know that | 10:12 |
| Vulcanis | just talk in a +2 caeser cypher | 10:12 |
| Macer | one day he is going to be swearing in klingon at someone. and they're going to start swearing back | 10:13 |
| Vulcanis | no I am not. I have more class than that. | 10:13 |
| zakkmm | if u talk in klingon. i swear i would think u just said random stuff | 10:13 |
| Macer | Vulcanis: hahaha | 10:13 |
| Macer | i would think that he is either crazy or a loser and disregard his existance | 10:13 |
| Macer | :) | 10:13 |
| Vulcanis | You can't disregard the existance of someone you think is a madman | 10:14 |
| Vulcanis | they generally have knives. | 10:14 |
| zakkmm | does it say who made package? | 10:14 |
| Vulcanis | watch your back. | 10:14 |
| Macer | like i said. it was a revolutionary show.. but to learn klingon.. that's taking it a little too far | 10:14 |
| Macer | like stalkers | 10:14 |
| Vulcanis | its a dictionary | 10:14 |
| Vulcanis | you don't read a dictionary to learn english | 10:14 |
| Macer | Vulcanis: :-P a klingon wouldn't stab someone in the back | 10:14 |
| Macer | that's cowardly | 10:14 |
| Macer | see! you don't even watch the show! | 10:15 |
| Macer | lol | 10:15 |
| Macer | bbl | 10:15 |
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| Vulcanis | Eh, the earth is full of weaklings atm :\ | 10:15 |
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| Macer | hm | 10:16 |
| Macer | i remember someone here having a problem with bridging a connection over 2 subnets with iptables | 10:16 |
| Macer | i was wondering.. doesn't vpn kind of work the same way? :) | 10:16 |
| Macer | well. maybe not | 10:16 |
| Macer | am i reading that right? | 10:17 |
| Macer | Wormus 51MB | 10:17 |
| Macer | that shit better have some sort of holographic activation on the N810 | 10:17 |
| Macer | er.. Wormux | 10:17 |
| Macer | hm | 10:18 |
| Macer | well. bbl | 10:19 |
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| slonopotamus | anyone knows what's /mnt/initfs/bin/usbflasher ? | 11:07 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i'm honestly not sure | 11:28 |
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| Stskeeps | all flashing seems to happen in nolo | 11:28 |
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| lbt | jeremiah: hey maemian man | 11:36 |
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| lcuk | mornin LinuxCode | 13:58 |
| LinuxCode | morning mate | 13:58 |
| LinuxCode | just about morning hehe | 13:58 |
| LinuxCode | 1 minute to lunch ;-p | 13:59 |
| lcuk | lbt, you mentioned you only have diablo for liqbase now, are you getting into using it | 13:59 |
| lcuk | heh | 13:59 |
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| lbt | lcuk: I'd like to have it more 'to hand' - it's a pain booting back to diablo | 14:02 |
| lcuk | which version are you using | 14:02 |
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| lbt | dunno - I'm in Mer... can't tell | 14:03 |
| lbt | must be the latest though | 14:04 |
| lcuk | the zooming playground, or the solid classic? | 14:04 |
| lbt | both | 14:04 |
| lcuk | heh, well the playground is where i am spending time | 14:05 |
| lcuk | we need bug reporting, but since its not garage based, hold on | 14:05 |
| lcuk | it would be good for you to let me know what happens when you run it - send me a console log if possible soon and ill see what i can do | 14:06 |
| * lcuk loves being able to finally alpha blend any rectangle. (had the blending function for ages, but not the interface for normal stuff) | 14:07 | |
| lcuk | lbt, did you see zacks' final gsoc report :) http://blog.zachhabersang.com/?p=187 | 14:09 |
| lcuk | hes put together an installation guide and dev tutorial for getting started with liqbase stuff :) http://blog.zachhabersang.com/ | 14:10 |
| Macer | lcuk: msgd you | 14:12 |
| Macer | i'm installing debian on one of my boxes | 14:12 |
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| Macer | :) | 14:30 |
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| Macer | hm | 14:34 |
| Macer | will mer have encrypted lvms on the SD soon ? | 14:35 |
| Macer | :) | 14:35 |
| Macer | that would be neet | 14:35 |
| Macer | oh wait. i don't know if ubuntu does that does it? | 14:35 |
| Macer | i know debian does | 14:35 |
| lcuk | try and build it | 14:35 |
| Macer | i would but i couldn't ssh into my mer install | 14:36 |
| Macer | :) | 14:36 |
| Macer | would keep asking me to change my pw over and over | 14:36 |
| Macer | going to install kde4 on this debian box now | 14:36 |
| Macer | i like kwin | 14:36 |
| Macer | mostly because from what i've gathered the developers decided to build it from the ground up because they wanted their own composite manager instead of using compiz | 14:37 |
| Macer | which i think was a good idea | 14:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol, didn't know Maemo's OpenSSH got an update :) | 14:38 |
| Macer | :) | 14:38 |
| Macer | GO MAEMO! | 14:38 |
| Macer | just proof that it's not dead yet! | 14:39 |
| Macer | and people should stop poking at it with a stick | 14:39 |
| Macer | debian still has kde4.2 marked as unstable | 14:40 |
| Macer | wtf? :) | 14:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Sounds about right... | 14:40 |
| rkirti | kde is instability personified | 14:41 |
| Macer | haha | 14:41 |
| pupnik | will it lbend? | 14:42 |
| pupnik | eh nice typo | 14:42 |
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| Macer | strange.... it is in testing/main | 14:43 |
| Macer | and not in "volatile" | 14:43 |
| Macer | :) | 14:43 |
| Macer | volatile sounds a lot more scary than testing | 14:43 |
| Macer | ftp.de.debian.org is giving me 30KB/s | 14:43 |
| Macer | i guess because i missed that last spot that says "you should replace ftp.de to one closer to you | 14:44 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 14:45 | |
| timeless_mbp | > Give us your oppinion! | 14:45 |
| timeless_mbp | could someone please tell Raul Herbster to use a spell checker? | 14:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | spl chkr? | 14:45 |
| Meizirkki | $p3|| ¿h€cR | 14:47 |
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| Macer | go debian go | 14:51 |
| Macer | kde4 is kind of a bitch to install in debian | 14:51 |
| Macer | :) | 14:51 |
| * Meizirkki is playing around with kubuntu karmic on his n810 (KDE 4.3) OMFGLOLWTF? | 14:52 | |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 14:52 | |
| Meizirkki | :D | 14:52 |
| * Macer bloats the shit out fo this box | 14:52 | |
| timeless_mbp | does lma use irc? | 14:52 |
| Macer | Meizirkki: how? | 14:52 |
| Macer | :) | 14:52 |
| Meizirkki | nah, the only part of karmic is the kde | 14:53 |
| Macer | i wanted to try doing that in gentoo but it wouldn't boot and i never figured out why :( | 14:53 |
| Meizirkki | i installed mer, applied kramic repo and apt'd KDE | 14:53 |
| Meizirkki | so easy | 14:53 |
| Macer | lol | 14:54 |
| Meizirkki | but KDE is ****slow | 14:54 |
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| lcuk | its not slow, find some drug that alters your perception and it will appear quick | 14:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: on that note, how's liqos coming along? | 14:56 |
| lcuk | i smile everytime i see that, but i havent got an os | 14:56 |
| lcuk | tho, what is an os | 14:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~os | 14:57 |
| infobot | hmm... os is (Operating System) The program that allows you to access the basic functions of your computer. It is the minimum software required to run a program. The best one by far is the MacOS. | 14:57 |
| slonopotamus | 9 | 14:57 |
| lcuk | i can see infobot has been taking those drugs | 14:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (Not sure about the last part, but, hey, it seems accurate enough) | 14:58 |
| timeless_mbp | infobot: os =~ s/MacOS/Mac OS X/ | 14:58 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp: OK | 14:58 |
| timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: 9+1 :) | 14:58 |
| lcuk | ~os | 14:58 |
| infobot | methinks os is (Operating System) The program that allows you to access the basic functions of your computer. It is the minimum software required to run a program. The best one by far is the Mac OS X. | 14:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | BS :) | 14:58 |
| lcuk | oooh you update it that easily | 14:58 |
| rkirti|afk | here's a snippet from what a classmate said in our os course - "briefest definition of OS- a bootloader for emacs" | 14:58 |
| timeless_mbp | infobot: os =~ s/is the/is/ | 14:59 |
| infobot | OK, timeless_mbp | 14:59 |
| lcuk | timeless i gather that involes you having super bot control powers | 14:59 |
| timeless_mbp | no, but i do run an infobot | 14:59 |
| slonopotamus | Super Cow Powers? | 14:59 |
| timeless_mbp | infobot: status | 14:59 |
| infobot | Since Tue Aug 4 17:51:10 2009, there have been 59 modifications, 866 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 369 commands. I have been awake for 11d 18h 8m 38s this session, and currently reference 116385 factoids. I'm using about 22280 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 26559.57/994.61 child 0.09/0.05 | 14:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: I hope feeding the bot with false information will stay forever on your conscience | 14:59 |
| lcuk | infobot: os =~ s/Mac OS X/maemo/ | 15:00 |
| infobot | OK, lcuk | 15:00 |
| lcuk | :D | 15:00 |
| lcuk | ~os | 15:00 |
| infobot | i heard os is (Operating System) The program that allows you to access the basic functions of your computer. It is minimum software required to run a program. The best one by far is the maemo. | 15:00 |
| lcuk | "the maemo" :D | 15:00 |
| timeless_mbp | infobot: os =~ s/is the/is/ | 15:00 |
| infobot | OK, timeless_mbp | 15:00 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | <GeneralAntilles> os =~ s/maemo/Maemo/ </GeneralAntilles> | 15:00 |
| timeless_mbp | infobot: os =~ s/it is/it is the/ | 15:01 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp: OK | 15:01 |
| lcuk | hahahahahahah | 15:01 |
| Macer | omg installing kde4 in debian is a bitch | 15:01 |
| Macer | heh | 15:01 |
| * Stskeeps passes qwerty12_N810 some wedding cake | 15:02 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, congrats Stskeeps! | 15:03 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: didn't run out huh? | 15:03 |
| Macer | :) | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | way too big cake | 15:03 |
| Macer | congrats on your wedding | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 15:03 |
| Macer | but be warned they don't call it "the plunge" for nothing | 15:03 |
| timeless_mbp | congrats | 15:03 |
| Macer | but i wish you the best ;) | 15:03 |
| Macer | and hope it doesn't wind up like reiser | 15:03 |
| * Macer is wondering if i should be replacing all this gnome stuff while IN gnome | 15:04 | |
| Macer | :) | 15:04 |
| Macer | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!! | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | nah, mine isn't russian and doesn't have dubious connections | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:04 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 15:07 | |
| slonopotamus | any reverse-engineers? :) i need to find out what fields of CAL conf block (and in what order) libcal uses to calculate crc32 | 15:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: if you get it wrong, do you brick the device? :) | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | good guess would be the data part, or header crc: header with crc set to 0 | 15:07 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, no, it doesn't modify anything | 15:08 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, 1 sec... | 15:08 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, http://git.slonopotamus.org/?p=opendsme;a=blob;f=src/libopencal.c;hb=HEAD#l81 here's header struct | 15:09 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, last field is header crc | 15:10 |
| * slonopotamus hopes he uses same algorithm as libcal :D | 15:10 | |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: then it's the header with crc as 0 probably | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | (basically, set all other header fields than crc, which should be 0, take crc, and -then- set hdr_crc | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | that's the usual tactic | 15:11 |
| slonopotamus | i'm reading existing data | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:12 |
| slonopotamus | so i read whole header with crc and now want to check its correctness | 15:12 |
| slonopotamus | crc(all but hdr_crc) doesn't work | 15:13 |
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| Stskeeps | then calculate crc of header as if hdr_crc was 0 | 15:13 |
| slonopotamus | no. more ideas? :) | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | 0xFFFFFFFF? ;) | 15:16 |
| slonopotamus | no :) | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | 0xDEADBEEF? ;p | 15:17 |
| slonopotamus | even not 0xCAFEBABE | 15:17 |
| slonopotamus | 0xDEADBABE :D | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | if that's the value, that would scare me a bit | 15:18 |
| slonopotamus | different blocks have different crc values | 15:18 |
| slonopotamus | 0xDEFEC8ED ("defecated") is the magic number for OpenSolaris core dumps. | 15:19 |
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| aol | heh ... microsoft uses that 0xDEADBEEF for uninitialized values :) | 15:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | 0xMSFTDEAD would be better | 15:20 |
| slonopotamus | w/e :) more ideas? | 15:21 |
| lcuk | :O http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?&id=1607 | 15:21 |
| lcuk | at first i was like | 15:22 |
| lcuk | but hten i lolled :D | 15:22 |
| Macer | well | 15:24 |
| Macer | got that working | 15:24 |
| Macer | slow as shit on this damn intel gpu tho | 15:24 |
| Macer | 07:22 7:22am up 55 days 2:54, 6 users, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.02 | 15:26 |
| Macer | damn artigo 1GHz C7 is a champ :) | 15:26 |
| Macer | i should learn how to make zones in opensolaris | 15:27 |
| slonopotamus | that's smth like freebsd jails? | 15:28 |
| Macer | yah | 15:28 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, didnt think hex went as far as M or T ;) | 15:29 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: hey. i followed your instructions to the T with installing gentoo on the n8x0 | 15:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: go back to your Windows computer | 15:29 |
| slonopotamus | 'to the T'? | 15:29 |
| Macer | it boot and the fb worked but it wouldn't mount / .. kept saying | 15:29 |
| lcuk | im on it now! | 15:29 |
| lcuk | trying to work out how to configure sshfs :) | 15:30 |
| Macer | "failed to mount {EXT_CARD}p1" | 15:30 |
| * lcuk has notes somewhere | 15:30 | |
| Macer | so / wasn't mounting and i couldn't figure out why | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: ${EXT_CARD}p1 in botmenu? :P | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | +o | 15:30 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, smth wrong in bootmenu config | 15:30 |
| lcuk | got it! | 15:30 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, $ | 15:30 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, ? | 15:30 |
| Macer | i had it | 15:30 |
| Macer | i checked it 10 times ;) i just copied and pasted and changed the p3 to p1 | 15:31 |
| Macer | the bootmenu.item was fine | 15:31 |
| timeless_mbp | Macer: i think i have some sample zones posted | 15:31 |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: really? never really tried it. i've just been using vbox on it | 15:31 |
| timeless_mbp | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/solaris/source/osol/etc/zones/ | 15:31 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, hmm... http://dpaste.com/81297/ here's my current config | 15:32 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, which bootmenu did you use? | 15:32 |
| Macer | the one on your proj page | 15:33 |
| Macer | "booting gentoo on n8x0" | 15:33 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, explain your +o ? | 15:33 |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: that's it? :) | 15:33 |
| timeless_mbp | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/solaris/source/osol/get_nexenta.sh | 15:33 |
| Macer | that's all you have to do? | 15:33 |
| timeless_mbp | well, zone conf files are really uninteresting | 15:33 |
| Macer | haha | 15:33 |
| Macer | why nexenta in opensolaris? | 15:33 |
| timeless_mbp | to use apt to get sources for maemo | 15:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i didn't want to build apt myself | 15:34 |
| Macer | ah. ok. | 15:34 |
| timeless_mbp | (it's doable, but a royal pain) | 15:34 |
| timeless_mbp | (i ended up doing it anyway, but that's another story) | 15:34 |
| Macer | like dpkg in maemo4? ;) | 15:34 |
| Macer | haha | 15:34 |
| slonopotamus | damnit! | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: mywhatnow? | 15:34 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, quotes!!! | 15:34 |
| Macer | quotes? | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: botmenu +o = bootmenu | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:35 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, there are single quotes! | 15:35 |
| Macer | i tried double too ;) | 15:35 |
| Macer | thought about that heh | 15:35 |
| slonopotamus | try harder :) | 15:35 |
| slonopotamus | it didn't eval variable | 15:36 |
| Macer | yah. that's what i tried | 15:36 |
| Macer | hm. ok. i'll try installing again in a few minutes | 15:36 |
| slonopotamus | or just write /dev/mmcblk1 ? | 15:36 |
| Macer | tried that too ;) | 15:36 |
| Macer | believe me. i was working on it for a while | 15:36 |
| Macer | i am going to try to install it again in a few minutes | 15:36 |
| Macer | once i get the reflashed maemo4 stuff set up again | 15:36 |
| * timeless_mbp decides to try to get nexenta up again | 15:37 | |
| Macer | let me download the svn bootmenu | 15:38 |
| Macer | it should have the patch right? | 15:38 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, write ITEM_DEVICE="/dev/mmcblk1p1" ? | 15:38 |
| Macer | taht's what i used to install bootmenu while i was doing it | 15:38 |
| Macer | yes | 15:38 |
| Macer | i tried that | 15:38 |
| Macer | it seemed to pick up the string but still wouldn't mount / | 15:38 |
| slonopotamus | yeah, should have. you can even take mer bootmenu | 15:39 |
| Macer | i didn't have a way to keep the log of what it did | 15:39 |
| Macer | well. i wanted just maemo | 15:39 |
| Macer | and.. layman -f wasn't in the instructions | 15:39 |
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| slonopotamus | -f ? | 15:39 |
| Macer | i just remembered it from using gentoo like 2 years ago | 15:39 |
| Macer | in your instructions you say to add the repo with layman -a n8x0 | 15:40 |
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| slonopotamus | yep. that's the way ppl add overlays :) | 15:40 |
| Macer | you have to fetch the list of overlays first | 15:40 |
| Macer | with layman -f | 15:40 |
| Macer | bootmenu-compat is also ~arm | 15:40 |
| Macer | requires either adding it to package.(forgot.. unmask?) or just using ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~arm" during emerge | 15:41 |
| slonopotamus | package.keywords | 15:42 |
| Macer | the locale for perl spits out error msg after error msg and i didn't quite figure out what to do there. i tried exporting it manually but still didn't work | 15:42 |
| Macer | export LANG="en_US" or something like that | 15:42 |
| Macer | there were other ones but i didn't look into them as much | 15:42 |
| Macer | let me try installing again.. maybe there was just somethign i missed in the bootmenu config | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | oh dear god, you're on gentoo now? :P | 15:44 |
| slonopotamus | export LANG=C and LC_MESSAGES=C | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: gave up on debian package compilation in maemo? ;) | 15:44 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, he did smth wrong with bootmenu | 15:44 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: it's on pause for now :) but then again | 15:45 |
| Macer | if i can get gentoo working with an ok mobile X wm | 15:45 |
| Macer | then maybe forever | 15:45 |
| Macer | heh | 15:45 |
| slonopotamus | heh. how do you like emerge speed? :) | 15:45 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: i checked it 10 times but i'll look at it | 15:45 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: lol. it was pretty bad ;) | 15:45 |
| Macer | but then again i didn't emerge much | 15:45 |
| slonopotamus | i'm writing patches to make it faster | 15:46 |
| slonopotamus | 2.2 rcs should be better | 15:46 |
| Macer | i just want it to boot | 15:46 |
| Macer | heh | 15:46 |
| Macer | then i'll be a happy camper | 15:46 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, do you have docs on manual bootmenu configuration? | 15:47 |
| Macer | i'm getting bootmenu now | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Bootmenu if any | 15:47 |
| lcuk | arghhh user permissions prevent my evil plan from working | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: so far you're following a similar path .. we got tired of Maemo's oddities, so we started Debian, got a good mobile WM going, and realised the battery life was crap cos a desktop distribution simply doesn't work well on a mobile like this (4-6 hours of battery time, even idle) | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: so we realized why Maemo is constructed the way it is, and decided to analyze what could be done better, the Maemo Reconstructed proposal, and hence Mer was born :P | 15:48 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: heh.... yah but i'd honestly choose "desktoplike" over battery life | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | it's entirely possible to hack Mer to use Fluxbox, fwiw | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | some people already does this. | 15:49 |
| Macer | but then apps wouldn't obey the constraints of the screen real estate | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Fluxbox | 15:50 |
| slonopotamus | yeah, docs from http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Bootmenu are also ok | 15:50 |
| Macer | so you would get apps opening up going off screen :) | 15:50 |
| Macer | kde had that problem for a lot of the config windows | 15:50 |
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| Macer | which had a set size | 15:50 |
| lcuk | and made assumptions about what "lowresolution" means nowadays | 15:51 |
| lcuk | "ive got so much stuff to fit on my screen, can i tell people to use 1600*1200 minimum? | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of netbook issues are cos of 800x480, heh | 15:53 |
| lcuk | yeah | 15:54 |
| lcuk | is it possible to put an auto resize hack into gtk? | 15:54 |
| lcuk | to scale contents | 15:55 |
| lcuk | or would that just fsck up too much | 15:55 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: http://pastebin.com/d6ff90acc | 15:58 |
| Macer | taht's my gentoo.item now | 15:58 |
| Macer | uhm | 15:59 |
| Macer | ok it's booting now | 15:59 |
| Macer | wtf :) | 15:59 |
| slonopotamus | quotes :) | 15:59 |
| slonopotamus | i fixed wiki page | 15:59 |
| Macer | no | 15:59 |
| Macer | i checked the quotes | 15:59 |
| Macer | i actually thought that was wrong | 15:59 |
| Macer | when i first saw it and used " instead | 15:59 |
| slonopotamus | maybe you forgot to update initfs after fixing them? | 16:00 |
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| slonopotamus | w/e :) booted? | 16:00 |
| Macer | yah | 16:00 |
| Macer | how do i use numbers from the n810 qwerty? | 16:00 |
| slonopotamus | no idea, i have n800 | 16:01 |
| Macer | lol | 16:01 |
| Macer | well.. shit | 16:01 |
| slonopotamus | i thing you can't fully use n810 kb in text mode | 16:01 |
| Macer | now i can't login :) my pw has numbers | 16:01 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | clever | 16:01 |
| slonopotamus | pull out battery :) | 16:01 |
| Macer | hahaha | 16:01 |
| slonopotamus | no other way to reboot | 16:02 |
| Macer | i kind of thought the qwerty was going to work | 16:02 |
| Macer | maybe i have sshd going | 16:02 |
| Macer | (which i don't think i installed... SHIT" | 16:02 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, there are troubles with Fn key | 16:02 |
| Macer | should have emerged it while i was chroot | 16:02 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 16:02 |
| slonopotamus | no, it's emerged | 16:02 |
| slonopotamus | as part of ssh | 16:02 |
| Macer | but the wifi isn't started anyways so it wouldn't matter | 16:03 |
| Macer | ;) | 16:03 |
| slonopotamus | doub't it autostarts | 16:03 |
| Macer | too bad i don't have a usb adapter for a kb | 16:03 |
| Macer | what do you use to type on this thing when it's in gentoo? | 16:03 |
| slonopotamus | florence vkb | 16:03 |
| slonopotamus | that's in X | 16:04 |
| Macer | how is bt support? | 16:04 |
| slonopotamus | in console - ssh, or pull out battery :) | 16:04 |
| Macer | i already did.. the wifi wasn't set up anyways | 16:04 |
| Macer | i had no networking | 16:04 |
| Macer | but yeah | 16:04 |
| Macer | i wonder what i missed | 16:05 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, i use bt with phone for gprs | 16:05 |
| Macer | i probably didn't replace 1 ' | 16:05 |
| Macer | how's sound going? | 16:05 |
| slonopotamus | you asked already | 16:05 |
| Macer | did i ask you? | 16:05 |
| Macer | i remember Luke-Jr saying that it "might work with a newer kernel" | 16:05 |
| slonopotamus | no docs, but 'deblet needs sound' itt thread should work. | 16:05 |
| Macer | should be able to just do a quick mount/chroot to change the root pw right? | 16:06 |
| slonopotamus | yeah | 16:06 |
| slonopotamus | it's just normal gentoo installation :) | 16:07 |
| slonopotamus | wifi is setup as usual. use gentoo official docs if don't remember | 16:07 |
| Macer | can just do it manually too i'm guessing just to get it going quickly? | 16:08 |
| Macer | with iwconfig and ifconfig? | 16:08 |
| Macer | wow. pretty nice stuff man :) | 16:08 |
| Macer | what are you running for a wm on it? | 16:08 |
| slonopotamus | i guess wireless-tools are not installed in that image | 16:09 |
| Macer | lol | 16:09 |
| Macer | so i have to install it in the chroot? | 16:09 |
| slonopotamus | yep | 16:09 |
| Macer | good thing i had to change the pw then ;) | 16:09 |
| lcuk | should these 2 commands be the same (from within scratchbox): | 16:10 |
| lcuk | fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -i -I.git | 16:10 |
| lcuk | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -i -I.git | 16:10 |
| Macer | Nokia-N810-43-7 / # emerge wireless-tools | 16:10 |
| Macer | oops | 16:11 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, that image is just minimal system (pretty same as you get from stage3 when installing on desktop) that is capable of rebuilding stuff | 16:11 |
| Macer | yeah... it's pretty nice | 16:11 |
| slonopotamus | mounted /proc, ? | 16:11 |
| Macer | haven't used gentoo in quite a while | 16:11 |
| Macer | crap.. no :) shit | 16:11 |
| zerojayPC | Robot101: Ping? | 16:12 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, http://dpaste.com/81308/ that's what i use before chrooting | 16:13 |
| zerojayPC | Anyone here worked on rtcomm or knows some stuff about osso-addressbook? | 16:13 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0#using_in_chroot just repeat step 5 after reboots | 16:14 |
| zerojayPC | Telepathy-haze? | 16:16 |
| Macer | echo 'performance' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 16:16 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, btw, check /usr/lib/libexpat.la libdir, plz. | 16:16 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, just cat /usr/lib/libexpat.la | 16:16 |
| Macer | well. i'm only chrooting to fix a few things | 16:16 |
| Macer | i will after wireless-tools is done building | 16:17 |
| Macer | i'm installing it now | 16:17 |
| Macer | although that's not going to be much good either | 16:17 |
| Macer | since my wpa2 key has numbers :) | 16:17 |
| Macer | i guess i can set that up from here | 16:17 |
| slonopotamus | hmm... don't you use wpa_supplicant? | 16:17 |
| Macer | don't know yet | 16:18 |
| Macer | i haven't set up a wifi network in gentoo in like 2 years | 16:18 |
| Macer | i honestly think then i was using wep | 16:18 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4&chap=4 | 16:19 |
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| Macer | wireless-tools supports nearly all cards and drivers, but it cannot connect to WPA only Access Points. | 16:21 |
| Macer | well. that's not cool :) | 16:21 |
| Macer | seeing as i have a wpa only access point | 16:21 |
| Macer | emerge -C wireless-tools | 16:22 |
| Macer | well.. i'll work on it.. slonopotamus.. thanks for the help. :) | 16:23 |
| Macer | if it's just gentoo i'm sure like 90% of the stuff can be gotten off the gentoo wikis | 16:24 |
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| Macer | i'm goign to eat up the whole 15G on the external SD messing around with gentoo :) | 16:31 |
| Macer | i'm a little nervous that wpa-supplicant needs vanilla-sources to build | 16:32 |
| slonopotamus | no | 16:33 |
| slonopotamus | install diablo-sources | 16:34 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, 4-6gb is enough | 16:34 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, of course it can be made smalller | 16:34 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, by dropping man/info pages, for example | 16:34 |
| Macer | ah ok | 16:36 |
| Macer | so you can actually build a diablo kernel in gentoo? | 16:37 |
| slonopotamus | yep, why not | 16:37 |
| slonopotamus | ~1.5h | 16:37 |
| Macer | hahaha | 16:37 |
| Macer | ouch | 16:37 |
| * Macer starts to build openoffice | 16:38 | |
| Macer | heh.. just kidding | 16:38 |
| Macer | what did you say you use as a wm? | 16:38 |
| Macer | and how do you right click? :) | 16:38 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 16:38 |
| Luke-Jr | rtfm | 16:38 |
| Macer | :-P | 16:38 |
| slonopotamus | some (minor) number of packages doesn't built because of not enough ram (wd reboots) | 16:38 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, i use gnome, but not completely happy with it | 16:39 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr: haha | 16:39 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, xf86-input-tslib supports right click emulation. read 'X setup' doc | 16:39 |
| Macer | ah ok | 16:39 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr: :-P | 16:40 |
| Macer | ok you were right | 16:40 |
| slonopotamus | err wait | 16:40 |
| Macer | will be nice once i get this all set up and booting into X | 16:40 |
| slonopotamus | we have some docs on wireless | 16:40 |
| Macer | i'd still like to know how to ge the qwerty to work with symbols and numbers :) | 16:40 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0/wireless | 16:40 |
| Macer | awesome. thanks | 16:41 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, all n810-specific questions -> Luke-Jr | 16:42 |
| Macer | hahaha | 16:42 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr: how do you get the qwerty to work with numbers/symbols? :) | 16:42 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: I made a keymap file, currently undocumented | 16:42 |
| lcuk | hold down the shift key | 16:43 |
| * Luke-Jr should make an ebuild for it | 16:43 | |
| slonopotamus | Fn problem? | 16:43 |
| Luke-Jr | it uses Menu as Fn | 16:43 |
| lcuk | it doesnt have the stickykeys lock by default | 16:43 |
| Luke-Jr | lcuk: … | 16:43 |
| lcuk | ahh | 16:43 |
| lcuk | even moreso :P | 16:43 |
| lcuk | whenever ive mucked about with default x11 stuff this is the kidn of problem ive encountered | 16:43 |
| lcuk | ie anything without HIM ontop | 16:44 |
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| * Macer looks at that statement | 16:44 | |
| slonopotamus | Macer, in short, 'Fn' key is broken :) somewhere between kernel and X server | 16:44 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr: if you add it could you let me know? | 16:45 |
| Macer | would be cool to use the numbers/symbols from the qwerty. in the meantime i'll work on pairing my su8w | 16:46 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: in console mode | 16:46 |
| Luke-Jr | I did have Fn working in X once upon a time | 16:46 |
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| Macer | Luke-Jr: are you running kdm or something on startup? | 16:46 |
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| Luke-Jr | no | 16:47 |
| Macer | or gdm or something? | 16:47 |
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| Luke-Jr | on the extremely rare occasion that I start X, I use startx | 16:47 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, either setup autologon or add "su - macer startkde" to /etc/conf.d/local ? | 16:48 |
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| Macer | slonopotamus: naw. that's ok. i'll just set a brute forcable style pw for now ;) and just startx until i get everything working | 16:48 |
| * slonopotamus still can't understand why none of his kernels boot on his n800 | 16:49 | |
| Macer | 324 root SW< 0 6 38.9 0.0 mmcqd | 16:49 |
| Macer | it's still installing diablo-sources | 16:51 |
| slonopotamus | well, it's pretty big | 16:51 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr slonopotamus: thanks, this is pretty awesome | 16:51 |
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| Macer | maybe i can find a wm that is meant to be run on a small screen | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | .. matchbox | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:52 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: that what you used for deblet? :) | 16:52 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, write ebuilds for hildon stuff :P | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: no, maemo uses matchbox wm | 16:53 |
| Macer | wow. that sounds good to me :) | 16:54 |
| Macer | i'll try it out | 16:54 |
| Macer | would be awesome if someone was still working on qtablet | 16:55 |
| Macer | >>> Emerging (1 of 4) net-wireless/nokia-n8x0-firmware-0.3 from n8x0 | 16:55 |
| Macer | wow that is beyond awesome :) you guys must have done a bit of work on your repo | 16:55 |
| slonopotamus | nah, it's pretty small | 16:56 |
| Macer | but it emerges the nokia wifi firmware ;) | 16:56 |
| slonopotamus | that's... a hack :) | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: copies from initfs? :P | 16:56 |
| Macer | hahaha | 16:57 |
| Macer | (don't tell nokia!) | 16:57 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, nope, why? just symlinks | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: thought so :) | 16:57 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, :P | 16:57 |
| Macer | Stskeeps was already calling a nokia lawyer slonopotamus | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 16:57 |
| Macer | don't trust him. he got maried. you can't trust men who just got married.. the evil woman is telling him to eat the apple | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: there's four ways to deal with the wifi firmware issue: 1) get a deal with nokia 2) grab it through updates repository 3) symlink from initfs 4) copy from initfs | 16:58 |
| fureddo | Anyone has the config file for sbdmock for diablo? | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=312118&postcount=64 | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Trollin' Trollin' Trollin' | 16:59 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, 5) find a country which allows redistribution and host copies there :) | 16:59 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: hahahaha | 16:59 |
| Macer | just the topic itself... | 16:59 |
| Macer | "how can we encourage iphone developers to develop for maemo" ? :) | 17:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why do we care? | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: s/iPhone//g and i might actually agree with the first line :P | 17:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | The vast majority of iPhone applications are garbage. | 17:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, bingo. | 17:00 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: you must have never used an android phoen | 17:00 |
| Macer | :) | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | i think those threads are really just a symptom of what i called out on a year ago really | 17:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not important which application they're coming from, it's important that they're coming. | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | that maemo isn't sustainable the way it is right now :P | 17:01 |
| * lcuk smiles | 17:01 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, only in passing. Didn't care for it. | 17:01 |
| slonopotamus | why 'we' want to encourage iphone devs to develop for maemo at all? | 17:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Nokia needs to ship their device with a "Fuck you haters" poster | 17:01 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: well. the android market would put the iphone store to shame | 17:01 |
| Macer | :) | 17:01 |
| Macer | as far as crappy apps/games go | 17:01 |
| Macer | i think there are 10 "flashlight" apps on it | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i thought that was the warranty brochure ;p | 17:02 |
| Macer | that just make your phone show a white, bright screen | 17:02 |
| Macer | because that is something someone thought they could improve on | 17:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: you got me there :D | 17:02 |
| Macer | :) | 17:02 |
| lcuk | macer, and? who honestly HASNT needed that at some point | 17:02 |
| Macer | lcuk: well.. i guess that's true... but i just can't see there being 10 of them ;) | 17:02 |
| lcuk | theres 10 of them because there is | 17:03 |
| Macer | probably all with the same code | 17:03 |
| lcuk | its no big deal | 17:03 |
| sp3000 | you get ten times more light! | 17:03 |
| Macer | sp3000: haha | 17:03 |
| lcuk | no, you cant multitask | 17:03 |
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| Macer | i'd be impressed if one of them found some hardware hack that intensified it to the brightness of the sun | 17:03 |
| lcuk | but on the hacked one you can lol | 17:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Macer: You probably wouldn't be... | 17:03 |
| Macer | qwerty12_N810: or if it shot laser-like light from the screen | 17:04 |
| * lcuk makes liqtorch | 17:04 | |
| Macer | in the shape of a batman symbol | 17:04 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, :D | 17:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 17:04 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: broken pkg | 17:05 |
| * slonopotamus rewrites it as opentorch in C under gpl-3 license | 17:05 | |
| slonopotamus | Macer, ? | 17:05 |
| Macer | * Determining the location of the kernel source code | 17:05 |
| Macer | * Found kernel source directory: | 17:05 |
| Macer | * /usr/src/linux-2.6.27-gentoo-r7 | 17:05 |
| Macer | oh wtf | 17:05 |
| slonopotamus | oooh | 17:05 |
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| slonopotamus | cx3110x? | 17:06 |
| slonopotamus | wait | 17:06 |
| Macer | yah :) | 17:06 |
| slonopotamus | linux-2.6.27-gentoo-r7 ??? | 17:06 |
| Macer | yeah. i have no idea where it got that from | 17:06 |
| slonopotamus | elesect kernel list | 17:06 |
| slonopotamus | err | 17:06 |
| slonopotamus | s/elesect/eselect/ | 17:06 |
| slonopotamus | choose diablo | 17:07 |
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| slonopotamus | and... you need modpost file. the only way i know - build kernel | 17:08 |
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| slonopotamus | Macer, after selecting diablo, `cd /usr/src/linux && make nokia_2420_defconfig && make && make modules_install` | 17:09 |
| slonopotamus | beware, making kernel is 1.5h | 17:09 |
| Macer | do i have to do that? :) | 17:09 |
| slonopotamus | there is possibly a simpler way but i don't know it | 17:09 |
| slonopotamus | oh | 17:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ...welcome to Gentoo | 17:09 |
| Macer | lol | 17:10 |
| slonopotamus | try make modules | 17:10 |
| slonopotamus | instead of 'make' | 17:10 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: i think it was just a broken symlink from when i stopped vanilla-sources | 17:10 |
| slonopotamus | so, try `cd /usr/src/linux && make nokia_2420_defconfig && make modules && make modules_install` | 17:11 |
| Macer | * ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid. | 17:12 |
| Macer | yeah. going to have to | 17:12 |
| Macer | why the && ? | 17:12 |
| Macer | is that the new ; or something? | 17:12 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 17:12 |
| slonopotamus | && is AND | 17:12 |
| Macer | isn't ; also? | 17:13 |
| slonopotamus | it runs next command only if previous completed successfully | 17:13 |
| slonopotamus | so it stops on error. | 17:13 |
| Macer | oh. so if it shoots out an error | 17:13 |
| slonopotamus | ; doesn't | 17:13 |
| Macer | ah ok | 17:13 |
| Macer | didn't know that :) | 17:13 |
| * slonopotamus tries | 17:14 | |
| Macer | so what do you do if you want some features your kernel doesn't have.. just build modules? | 17:15 |
| Macer | i mean it's not really like a PC where you kind of boot from a kernel .. well it is but isn't | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes, building modules | 17:15 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: so mer came about and ended the deblet movement because of battery life ? :) | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: mer is deblet's successor and many parts of deblet is in mer | 17:17 |
| Macer | so how did you get past the battery life issue? | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | simple - apis and desktop that cares about being idle | 17:18 |
| Macer | what was preventing it from going idle? | 17:19 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 17:19 |
| Macer | was it just built that way? | 17:19 |
| Macer | built to consume? :) | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | heck, a simple cpu meter.. | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:20 |
| slonopotamus | USE='-powersave' :P | 17:20 |
| Macer | lol | 17:20 |
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| slonopotamus | they couldn't rebuild the world with new flags so forked new distro :) | 17:21 |
| * Macer hides | 17:21 | |
| Stskeeps | pfft :P | 17:21 |
| Macer | lol!! | 17:21 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, nothing stops from booting another kernel on n8x0 actually | 17:22 |
| lcuk | ok | 17:23 |
| lcuk | liqtorch is in extras builder | 17:23 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: my 3 yr old son thinks i'm nuts because you just made me bust out laughing with tha tone | 17:23 |
| Macer | lcuk: a 3d based flashlight app for maemo? | 17:23 |
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| Macer | :) | 17:23 |
| lcuk | but if you cant wait, http://liqbase.net/up3/liqtorch_0.1.0_armel.deb | 17:23 |
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| Macer | never understood that in gentoo... + = remove | 17:25 |
| lcuk | we dont need iphone to do stuff | 17:25 |
| lcuk | i know the apps are simple | 17:25 |
| lcuk | and they are easy to do | 17:25 |
| lcuk | so we just need to do them :) | 17:26 |
| Macer | iphone? | 17:26 |
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| lcuk | the discussion was about getting iphone devs involved | 17:26 |
| zerojayPC | Fuck 'em. | 17:27 |
| javispedro | then they'll come ;) | 17:27 |
| Macer | go community! | 17:27 |
| zerojayPC | The app store is flooded with $5 RSS readers for one particular subject. | 17:27 |
| javispedro | RSS readers? no, they're all url shortcuts. | 17:27 |
| zerojayPC | It now takes over a month to get approved. | 17:27 |
| zerojayPC | And you sometimes don't even get told why you were rejected. | 17:28 |
| Macer | this is what the open source community is really about! | 17:28 |
| Macer | divide and conquer | 17:28 |
| Macer | :) the master plan | 17:28 |
| zerojayPC | It's about not allowing PR to blind us, apparently. | 17:28 |
| javispedro | one of the iphone "there's an app for that" ads here was about some random application that basically just replicated parts of the wikipedia. | 17:28 |
| javispedro | benefits: | 17:28 |
| javispedro | did it work offline? no. | 17:28 |
| lcuk | zerojayPC, i just said exactly the same thing on that thread lol | 17:29 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=312161&postcount=65 | 17:29 |
| Macer | just feeding the troll huh? | 17:30 |
| zerojayPC | I'm frustrated with working on iPhone apps, honestly. | 17:30 |
| Macer | i feel like watching the movie hackers | 17:30 |
| lcuk | i've got a few of my own that i can work from: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090710_002210.lib.holymoly.png | 17:30 |
| javispedro | lcuk: is liqtorch what its name suggests? :D | 17:31 |
| lcuk | yes | 17:31 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: crap. the modules alone are taking 1.5hrs :) | 17:31 |
| Macer | haha | 17:31 |
| lcuk | try it | 17:31 |
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| Macer | liq fire? | 17:31 |
| zerojayPC | All we need to get iPhone app developers over to Maemo... allow every app to be used as a flashlight. :/ | 17:31 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, no. that's whole kernel + modules | 17:31 |
| lcuk | [2009-08-16 17:27:34] liqtorch 0.1.0 has been queued for loading into chinook extras-devel repository | 17:31 |
| lcuk | [2009-08-16 17:27:34] You can find more info about this build here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/chinook/liqtorch_0.1.0/ | 17:31 |
| lcuk | the others will follow | 17:32 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: i was joking.. ;) the modules are still building | 17:32 |
| javispedro | maybe instead of scratchbox a plain crosscompile will be more useful. more portable, at least. | 17:32 |
| javispedro | for simpler "sdk" apps would be enough. | 17:32 |
| javispedro | ports would need the usual sb1. | 17:32 |
| javispedro | *crosscompiler. | 17:32 |
| lcuk | zerojayPC, just ignore them and get on with life | 17:32 |
| Macer | are iphones java? | 17:33 |
| lcuk | ok, that was one 30 minute project | 17:33 |
| zerojayPC | No. | 17:33 |
| lcuk | next. | 17:33 |
| VDVsx | Macer, objective-C | 17:33 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, done here. < 15 mins | 17:33 |
| Macer | yeah. it just finished | 17:33 |
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| Macer | trying sys-apps/n8x0-env again | 17:34 |
| slonopotamus | need to add that to wiki... | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | regarding one app per rss feed.. isn't it catering to what providers has tried to put down people's throats through vendor shortcuts? or menu items | 17:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thinking of SE phones? ;) | 17:35 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: ever ask nokia about tmobile supported phones that don't suck? | 17:35 |
| Macer | they will tell you "that's a good reason to switch to at&t" | 17:35 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: because that isn't constructive? | 17:36 |
| Macer | >>> Unpacking deblet-cx3110x.patch to /var/tmp/portage/net-wireless/cx3110x-2.0.15-r8/work | 17:36 |
| Macer | hahaha | 17:36 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: HE'S PLAGERIZING! | 17:36 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: no.. marketing for att is not constructive ;) | 17:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Looking at the file name, he's doing a very good job ;) | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | no, he's using and contributes, stop trolling | 17:37 |
| Macer | hehe.. i was joking | 17:37 |
| lcuk | speaking of lights, this is amusing: http://www.lolpix.com/pictures/7/Funny_Pictures_612.htm | 17:38 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: seems to work | 17:39 |
| Macer | well. seems to build at least | 17:39 |
| Macer | * /lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/build/System.map not found. | 17:39 |
| Macer | * You must manually update the kernel module dependencies using depmod. [ !! ] | 17:40 |
| slonopotamus | did you do modules_install? | 17:40 |
| Macer | yeah | 17:40 |
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| slonopotamus | hey, that's a warning | 17:40 |
| Macer | just in case you wanted to add "run depmod" to the wiki ;) | 17:41 |
| slonopotamus | damnit, broke phone charger cable with washing vacuum cleaner... | 17:42 |
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| lcuk | maemo autobuilder doesnt actually need a package does it | 17:42 |
| lcuk | it wants changes and dsc and tar.gz | 17:42 |
| Macer | WARNING: Can't read module /lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/umac.ko: No such f | 17:42 |
| slonopotamus | that's ok | 17:42 |
| Macer | ok. just checking. | 17:42 |
| Macer | what pkg did you say i needed for right click emulation? | 17:43 |
| Macer | oh wait | 17:43 |
| Macer | nm you said it was in the X docs right? | 17:43 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, xf86-input-tslib. look at X doc page | 17:43 |
| Macer | i'll work on that after i get a working wifi | 17:43 |
| Macer | because that sounds like something that would depend on an xorg build | 17:43 |
| slonopotamus | yep, it will | 17:44 |
| Macer | whcih will mean sticking my n810 on a charger | 17:44 |
| Macer | and checking up on it in a week or so | 17:44 |
| slonopotamus | hehe. no, x isn't so long | 17:44 |
| javispedro | lol | 17:45 |
| javispedro | this osso-games-startup has lots of tricks | 17:45 |
| javispedro | do gtk apps set WMClass from argv0? | 17:46 |
| lcuk | i suppose it could, its just a string afterall | 17:46 |
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| javispedro | i don't know if its a "misfeature" of the builtin apps or it's something diablo's gtk does by default. | 17:47 |
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| inz | yes, gtk sets wmclass from argv0 | 17:48 |
| javispedro | thanks inz | 17:48 |
| javispedro | combined with busybox's exec lack of "-a" argument, this means every game has to symlink osso_games_launcher :P | 17:49 |
| inz | i think theres some foo sets bar from argv0 and then gdk sets wmclass from bar, but the end result is the same | 17:49 |
| inz | and theres some way to override that wmclass somehow, but dont really remember how | 17:51 |
| javispedro | if it's gtk standard behaviour i'll google | 17:51 |
| inz | ive had my fights with wmclass, but ive since happily forgotten | 17:52 |
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| wazd | heya everyone :) | 17:53 |
| Macer | seriously should have installed screen on this gentoo install first :) | 17:53 |
| lcuk | hiya wazd \o | 17:53 |
| VDVsx | hello wazd :) | 17:54 |
| javispedro | i'll think i'll just replicate indt games behaviour and do the symlinks :P | 17:54 |
| javispedro | hi :) | 17:54 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, just open new terminal window? | 17:54 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: oh not for that. for long builds | 17:55 |
| lcuk | wazd, ive got a design question for you - could you see what needs doing to this to make it work: | 17:55 |
| Macer | so i don't have to worry about me accidently closing the ssh | 17:55 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090816_155149.torch.scr.png | 17:55 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, gcc is 10-11 hours :) | 17:55 |
| lcuk | omg, that actually has a bug :O | 17:55 |
| lcuk | that was meant as a joke lol | 17:56 |
| wazd | lcuk: mm, I see only gray square :) | 17:56 |
| lcuk | its not white! | 17:56 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 17:56 |
| lcuk | pmsl! | 17:56 |
| * lcuk laughs | 17:56 | |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, roll out v 2 with brighter light :) | 17:56 |
| lcuk | yeah | 17:56 |
| lcuk | i need to | 17:56 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: yah. i'm sure altogether when i can finally boot and use the wifi.... | 17:56 |
| lcuk | i think thats the RGB->YUV algo (from microsoft lol) | 17:56 |
| Macer | i'll be building for a week straight on it.. hope it can handle that | 17:57 |
| wazd | who needs torch app on the device with dual LED flash? :D | 17:57 |
| Macer | i'm building the wpa stuff now | 17:57 |
| javispedro | true lcuk, make it turn on the leds at max power ;) | 17:57 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, if you pplan to build a lot, think about setting up qemu chroot on faster box | 17:57 |
| javispedro | see? even the torch application has feature requests :D | 17:57 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: no! i will not concede to qemu! | 17:58 |
| Macer | native ftw | 17:58 |
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| kfx | no, instead you should have the white .png fade to black. then the user should have to use the touchscreen to "replace" the onscreen "batteries" | 17:58 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, what about flashing modes? | 17:58 |
| Macer | hahahhaha | 17:58 |
| Macer | kfx: and then rename the app to iphone emulator | 17:59 |
| Macer | :) | 17:59 |
| lcuk | kfx, actually i rub and shake the torch when its running out | 17:59 |
| lcuk | good job we will have an accelerometer | 17:59 |
| javispedro | we could use the torch application as template to gain iphone developers :) | 17:59 |
| Macer | LOL | 17:59 |
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| Macer | omg this is too funny | 17:59 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, or better draw a lighting candle | 18:00 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090816_155627.torch.scr.png | 18:00 |
| lcuk | thats better | 18:00 |
| kfx | lcuk: use the ambient light sense to ensure the thing never dies out if there's already light | 18:00 |
| lcuk | thanks for help debugging guys | 18:00 |
| kfx | it's only in the pitch black it should crap out | 18:00 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, woo! this version even works on n800! | 18:01 |
| slonopotamus | anyone tried on 770? this is awesome :D | 18:01 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/up3/liqtorch_0.1.1_armel.deb :) | 18:02 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, all of liqbase works on 800 and 810 | 18:02 |
| lcuk | i never got it working on 770 | 18:02 |
| lcuk | but that already has a torch program | 18:02 |
| lcuk | called WSOD i think | 18:02 |
| javispedro | LOL :D | 18:02 |
| lcuk | z4chh and I have put in place a basic textbox with vkb | 18:03 |
| javispedro | it's also a pretty good one since you cant turn it off by accident. | 18:03 |
| lcuk | only a tiny back button in the bottom corner | 18:03 |
| lcuk | or of course the escape hard key | 18:03 |
| javispedro | or a sledgehammer. | 18:03 |
| lcuk | that works too | 18:04 |
| lcuk | ok, 0.1.1 is goin through autobuilder | 18:04 |
| lcuk | obviously source is available with that | 18:04 |
| javispedro | changelog: more life-like light color? :D | 18:04 |
| lcuk | liqtorch (0.1.1) unstable; urgency=low | 18:05 |
| lcuk | * increased brightness | 18:05 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, make it do whatever you want | 18:07 |
| lcuk | im done with this for now, it was just a laugh to show its possible :) | 18:07 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | To an iPhone developer, that is real work ;) | 18:09 |
| lcuk | agreed there qwerty | 18:10 |
| lcuk | i wonder how many floating backgrounds we will see in future | 18:10 |
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| zerojayPC | Does the name "Jussi Makinen" mean anything to anyone here? | 18:15 |
| lcuk | yeah | 18:15 |
| lcuk | maemo guy | 18:15 |
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| Macer | # The below line not be changed otherwise we refuse to work | 18:47 |
| Macer | heh | 18:47 |
| Macer | english fail | 18:47 |
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| slonopotamus | where's that? | 18:48 |
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| Macer | the gentoo handbook | 18:49 |
| Macer | for wifi | 18:49 |
| slonopotamus | heh | 18:50 |
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| Macer | psk=06b4be19da289f475aa46a33cb793029d4ab3db7a23ee92382eb0106c72ac7bb | 18:53 |
| Macer | oops | 18:53 |
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| Macer | wpa_supplicant_eth0="-Dmadwifi" | 18:53 |
| javispedro | yes, oops. | 18:53 |
| Macer | javispedro: it's from the handbook.. not mine ;) | 18:53 |
| Macer | plus. i don't think any of you guys are going to go ap to ap trying to track mine down | 18:53 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: that line.. shouldn't it be wlan0? | 18:53 |
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| Macer | damnit | 19:00 |
| Macer | forgot to install dhcpcd | 19:00 |
| Macer | and didn't set up a manual ip | 19:00 |
| * Macer is reliving all his old gentoo mistakes | 19:00 | |
| Macer | which wouldn't be that big of a deal if i could use the fn key :) | 19:01 |
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| javispedro | I guess you need patched kernel for that. | 19:03 |
| Macer | javispedro: heh. well. Luke-Jr has a mapping that he did for it that hopefully he adds to their repo which would be awesome | 19:03 |
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| Macer | i just need to get this damn thing to the point where it will automatically connect to my wifi | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | qgil needs to change his sig. | 19:06 |
| Macer | gentoo uses dhcpcd by default huh? | 19:06 |
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| Macer | gr | 19:17 |
| Macer | shit | 19:17 |
| Macer | now wlan0 doesn't exist | 19:17 |
| Macer | this shit is driving me nuts :) | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish Dell were selling some Ubuntu desktops. | 19:18 |
| javispedro | they no longer are? that was fast. | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Several laptops | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | But no desktops as far as I can tell. | 19:19 |
| javispedro | ah | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish they'd at least sell me something Vista-free. | 19:19 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: i'm lost. i don't know what i'm doing wrong | 19:20 |
| Macer | looks like wlan doesn't show up | 19:20 |
| javispedro | Macer, tried "ifconfig -a" ;) | 19:20 |
| Macer | yeah | 19:20 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, have you ever toyed with libhgw (hildon-games-wrapper)? | 19:22 |
| javispedro | cause it seems to link with libosso and offers "nice" way to get device-inactivity, etc. messages. | 19:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: no, sorry, I have not :) | 19:23 |
| javispedro | seems designed with sdl games in mind | 19:23 |
| javispedro | (telling you because I remember you once told me linking with libosso was not worth the effort) | 19:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I don't remember that :) | 19:24 |
| * VDVsx predicts extra fun with the new H-A-M ;) | 19:24 | |
| javispedro | ah, when I was talking about extra ways to save power for openttd, and was thinking about polling for device inactivity/screen blanking events | 19:25 |
| javispedro | but nevermind. | 19:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I may have pointed you to a convo on -developers where the topic was discussed but I wouldn't say that you shouldn't link with libosso outright. | 19:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :) | 19:26 |
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| Macer | does n810 use atheros? | 19:27 |
| javispedro | ah, thanks :) | 19:27 |
| javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/Applications_you_wish_were_ported_from_other_platforms | 19:28 |
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| javispedro | I doubt Shazam's going to like some random dev using their web service... | 19:30 |
| javispedro | even though I would vote for it (never tried it) | 19:30 |
| pupnik | i wish i had a robot to bring me stuff | 19:31 |
| pupnik | it's 2009. we should have this. | 19:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Sony Ericsson have something similar with Track ID. Maybe a partnership? :D (I would've laughed at this at one point, but Microsoft and Intel...) | 19:31 |
| javispedro | i just though what if I made a "borderline legal" app using reverse engineered shazam web api, would it go to extras-testing then maemo.nokia.com ;) | 19:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders about moving to Ubuntu. | 19:33 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: I'd recommend that you charge for the app and then use the money to get a new identity if that situation occured ;) | 19:33 |
| javispedro | :D | 19:34 |
| Macer | cannot add provide 'net', as a service with teh same name exists | 19:34 |
| Macer | wtf | 19:34 |
| Macer | network interface wlan0 does not exist | 19:35 |
| Macer | sigh | 19:35 |
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| Macer | slonopotamus: you there | 19:37 |
| Macer | ? | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: welcome to why it took a year to get to a 'shitty ui' :P | 19:40 |
| Macer | haha | 19:41 |
| Macer | because of no wlan? :) | 19:41 |
| Macer | and no fn key? | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind the same tricks gentoo uses is what we took a long time to figure out how to do | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | so they were able to start their development quicker | 19:43 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: i had to put the wifi driver in the modules autoload file | 19:46 |
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| Macer | althogh -Dmadwifi didn't seem to work | 19:46 |
| Macer | like... | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | check out your ifconfig -a and notice the wifi address | 19:46 |
| Macer | does the n810 use an ahteros chipset? | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's a prism like thing | 19:46 |
| Macer | hm | 19:47 |
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| Macer | so -Dmadwifi for wpa supplicant | 19:47 |
| Macer | is unnecessary? | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | no, wext | 19:47 |
| Macer | oh.. ok | 19:47 |
| Macer | i got the module to load | 19:47 |
| Macer | just had the driver messed up for wifi supplicant | 19:47 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | STLC4550 | 19:47 |
| Macer | ok | 19:49 |
| Macer | 50th time's the charm | 19:49 |
| Macer | how do i stop that damn nokia white screen thing from popping up? | 19:50 |
| Macer | damn that thing is annoying | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | not possible | 19:50 |
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| Macer | not the first one | 19:50 |
| Macer | the one afterwards | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: http://justamp.blogspot.com/2009/08/nokia-e81-ripoff.html , at least Nokla gets the spacebar right ;p | 19:51 |
| javispedro | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault in hgw_msg_check_incoming () from /usr/lib/libhgw.so.1 -- great. | 19:51 |
| Macer | boom! | 19:51 |
| Macer | thanks a ton Stskeeps :) got it | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | check your ifconfig.. | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:51 |
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| Macer | why? what's wrong with it? | 19:52 |
| Macer | it seems pretty normal | 19:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: that spacebar appears to be bigger from a quick glance... | 19:52 |
| Macer | awesome | 19:52 |
| Macer | now i can ssh to it :) | 19:52 |
| Macer | that's all i needed | 19:52 |
| * Macer gets ready to hurt his n810 | 19:52 | |
| Macer | better keep it plugged in for this oen | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | check mac addy | 19:53 |
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| Macer | the HWaddr? | 19:54 |
| Macer | i'm not getting it Stskeeps :) | 19:55 |
| Macer | not the mac address.. but what you're trying to get me to see | 19:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I think slonopotamus, after working on his own wlan-cal, has sense enough to run it in Gentoo ;) | 19:55 |
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| Macer | ok :-D | 20:01 |
| Macer | time to get to work | 20:01 |
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| Macer | i don't even know which arm flags i can set for like. building mplayer | 20:02 |
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| Macer | this is going to suck up all my concentration for a while :) | 20:03 |
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| Macer | let me take a look at some matchbox pics to see what it looks like | 20:03 |
| * javispedro wonders wheter to file a documentation about hildon-games-wrapper | 20:03 | |
| javispedro | documentation bug. | 20:04 |
| javispedro | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/manuals/4-0-x/using_games_start-up_screen/#NonGTK | 20:04 |
| javispedro | does not say that HwgMessage has to be allocated by the caller | 20:04 |
| javispedro | and seems to even suggest otherwise. | 20:04 |
| javispedro | but the thing is a completely disaster in fremantle docs | 20:05 |
| javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Using_Games_Start-up_Screen#Integrating_non-GTK.2B_Games | 20:05 |
| javispedro | compare. | 20:06 |
| javispedro | its wiki! | 20:06 |
| javispedro | does that mean I can edit it? | 20:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, who here thinks I should migrate to Ubuntu? ;) | 20:06 |
| zerojayPC | From? | 20:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | PPC OS X | 20:07 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, for sure. | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't afford a Mac Pro for a while and I need something that's got more juice than my old, leaky G5. | 20:07 |
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| Robot101 | zerojayPC: pong | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, I'm picturing Synergy on 2x2 LCDs as part of the changeover. ;) | 20:08 |
| kfx | if you figure out how to get anything but ydl running on a g5 with that bizarre apple video connector let me know | 20:09 |
| kfx | I can boot debian on it but do nothing graphical | 20:09 |
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| zerojayPC | Robot101: I got Facebook chat working through RTCOMM on diablo. | 20:10 |
| Macer | http://resources.mini-box.com/online/iMedia%20Linux/images/kiosk.png | 20:10 |
| Macer | wow | 20:10 |
| Macer | yeah matchbox does look like it would work well :) | 20:10 |
| Robot101 | zerojayPC: cool | 20:10 |
| Macer | wonder if it's in the portage tree | 20:10 |
| zerojayPC | Robot101: But it breaks the address book.... no more status shown. | 20:10 |
| Robot101 | zerojayPC: for anything? or just for facebook? | 20:10 |
| zerojayPC | Robot101: It breaks for all of RTCOMM's protocols. | 20:11 |
| zerojayPC | But it works and is usable anyways. | 20:11 |
| Robot101 | probably a malformed .profile file somehow | 20:11 |
| zerojayPC | Is there anyone I can talk to at Collabora or that worked on RTCOMM that can maybe help or push me in the right direction to get it all working correctly? | 20:11 |
| zerojayPC | And then we can work on Twitter. ;) | 20:12 |
| Robot101 | jonny.lamb@collabora.co.uk has been working on the maemo packaging recently for the non-official stuff | 20:12 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: what are you using for mer? | 20:12 |
| Macer | is that matchbox also? | 20:12 |
| zerojayPC | Robot101: Okay, cool. Thanks. | 20:13 |
| GAN800 | kfx, not the point. | 20:13 |
| Robot101 | zerojayPC: will.thompson is the maintainer of haze and currently working on rtcom, but joined after diablo was released so the stuff in fremantle is all different | 20:13 |
| kfx | GAN800: are you talking about a hardware change as well then | 20:13 |
| GAN800 | Right | 20:13 |
| zerojayPC | Robot101: Well, if it means that we can get Facebook chat into Fremantle's version of rtcom, all the better. | 20:14 |
| * slonopotamus is back | 20:14 | |
| zerojayPC | I'll send them an email, explain what I did and we'll see what comes out of it. | 20:15 |
| Robot101 | zerojayPC: sure, throw me in cc, robert.mcqueen, and I'll poke them about it this week :D | 20:16 |
| zerojayPC | You got it. | 20:17 |
| zerojayPC | I appreciate the help. | 20:17 |
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| slonopotamus | Macer, what's your prob? | 20:17 |
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| Macer | slonopotamus: nothing now | 20:24 |
| Macer | just was wondering why it wasn't picking up the wifi | 20:24 |
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| Macer | heh | 20:24 |
| Macer | well. never mind :) | 20:24 |
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| Macer | slonopotamus: ? | 20:28 |
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| Macer | your net connection ok? :) | 20:28 |
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| Macer | [blocks B ] <sys-fs/e2fsprogs-1.41.8 ("<sys-fs/e2fsprogs-1.41.8" is blocking sys-apps/util-linux-2.16) | 20:34 |
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| Macer | hm | 20:37 |
| Macer | Connecting to repository.mer.tspre.org|84.238.11.16|:80... failed: Connection timed out. | 20:37 |
| slonopotamus | not 100% ok | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | ah yeah, it's permanently down | 20:39 |
| Macer | :( | 20:39 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: that is where it is trying to emerge files from | 20:39 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: N810 doesn't use madwifi | 20:39 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, what package? luke mirrored mer files | 20:39 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr: yeah. i noticed ;) i was going to change that anyways. just kind of went off the example | 20:41 |
| Macer | i didn't know there was a tablet-wireless package | 20:41 |
| Macer | i just did what your wireless instructions said | 20:41 |
| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: you forgot 5) download the firmware for stlc4560 | 20:42 |
| Macer | right now i have to re-emerge with +X .. so it is going to be doing stuff for a long time | 20:42 |
| Macer | but either way | 20:43 |
| Macer | emerging with +X required me removing e2fsck | 20:43 |
| Macer | [blocks B ] <sys-fs/e2fsprogs-1.41.8 ("<sys-fs/e2fsprogs-1.41.8" is blocking sys-apps/util-linux-2.16) | 20:44 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: you should probably run /usr/local/portage/layman/n8x0/scripts/n8x0-password.pl | 20:44 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, pastebin full output | 20:45 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: I suggest using Portage 2.2_rc33 | 20:45 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: sorry but i've already passed it up :-\ | 20:45 |
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| slonopotamus | Macer, oh! update portage | 20:46 |
| Macer | lol. i'm guessing i should re-install the e2fs stuff? | 20:46 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, that image is kinda old already | 20:46 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: /usr/local/portage/layman/n8x0/scripts/n8x0-password.pl | 20:46 |
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| * slonopotamus should probably publish updated fs tarball | 20:47 | |
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| Macer | ok. done | 20:48 |
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| slonopotamus | gcc-4.3, glibc-2.8/2.9, etc... | 20:48 |
| Macer | i added it to mirrors.. going to emerge -u portage | 20:48 |
| Macer | hm | 20:49 |
| Macer | i'm wondering... can i set up distcc using qemu? | 20:49 |
| * Luke-Jr wonders if we can easily generate a new stage3 from his binpkgs | 20:49 | |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: btw, you know your stage3 is copyright infringing? | 20:49 |
| slonopotamus | who is JO... err... the one we're not allowed to say? | 20:49 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, no, why? | 20:49 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: it's possible, but probably over your head ;) | 20:49 |
| Macer | lol | 20:49 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: there's no source with it | 20:50 |
| Luke-Jr | nor an offer valid for 2 yrs | 20:50 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, ... don't download it then | 20:50 |
| Luke-Jr | :þ | 20:50 |
| kfx | he only has to produce the source on request, and one line to include the offer will suffice | 20:50 |
| Macer | Portage 2.2_rc33 | 20:51 |
| Macer | emerge -u doesn't seem to show that ebuild | 20:51 |
| Luke-Jr | kfx: for the next 2 years | 20:51 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, masked? | 20:51 |
| Macer | i'm going to sync now just to make sure i didn't miss something | 20:51 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: unmask it | 20:51 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, emerge -vp =portage-2..2* | 20:51 |
| kfx | right. "you can request source for this anytime between now and 16 aug 2011." | 20:51 |
| kfx | the end | 20:51 |
| Luke-Jr | not * | 20:51 |
| Luke-Jr | =portage-2.2_rc33 | 20:52 |
| slonopotamus | not .. | 20:52 |
| Luke-Jr | kfx: that date would need to continually up | 20:52 |
| Macer | i'm syncing now | 20:52 |
| Luke-Jr | and slonopotamus would need to keep a copy of the src for it until then | 20:52 |
| Luke-Jr | waste of space IMO | 20:52 |
| kfx | not if he never rebuilds the stage3 | 20:52 |
| Luke-Jr | kfx: yes | 20:52 |
| Luke-Jr | it's 2 years from when he distributes it, eg, when it's downloaded | 20:52 |
| kfx | I know lawyers who would claim that when he makes it available, it's considered "distributed" | 20:53 |
| kfx | but it's a moot point | 20:53 |
| * slonopotamus isn't sure all that license stuff works in this country | 20:53 | |
| kfx | because the only person who is going to make a stink about it is rms | 20:53 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: copyright law is valid in pretty much every country | 20:53 |
| Luke-Jr | kfx: playing by the rules is a good idea even if nobody will complain | 20:54 |
| Luke-Jr | and in practice, I think people have complained about similar things | 20:54 |
| kfx | Luke-Jr: and that's why I tend to work with the bsd license :V | 20:54 |
| slonopotamus | i wrote docs that allow creating same thing. | 20:54 |
| Macer | i should just have to add thsi to package.unmask and emerge =portage-ver | 20:56 |
| Macer | ? | 20:56 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: and package.keywords | 20:56 |
| Macer | --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.unmask: sys-apps/portage-2.2_rc37 | 20:58 |
| Macer | oh . you said 33 | 20:58 |
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| Macer | damn = | 21:02 |
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| zerojayPC | Robot101: E-mail sent. | 21:07 |
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| slonopotamus | Macer, just add 'sys-apps/portage' :P | 21:19 |
| slonopotamus | again... 'usb device is not supported' | 21:20 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: post-rc33 are broken | 21:20 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, ... i'm using svn trunk | 21:21 |
| wazd | heh, Foreca is on the Summit schedule | 21:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: will Vlad and Foreca fight? :D | 21:22 |
| wazd | looks like Nokia misunderstood our request to help us with collaborating with Foreca :D | 21:22 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: yep :D | 21:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 21:22 |
| wazd | I wonder if Accuweather is interested in maemo :) | 21:23 |
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| slonopotamus | w/e | 21:36 |
| Luke-Jr | w/e u | 21:45 |
| slonopotamus | no u | 21:46 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:55 |
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| slonopotamus | hello | 21:59 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, macer installs gentoo on his n810 :) | 21:59 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: this no big problem, new firefox isn't woking | 22:01 |
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| slonopotamus | johnsq, why not? | 22:03 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: coredump, when starting, no time to look why | 22:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | wazd: you could just make a better Foreca plugin | 22:09 |
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| slonopotamus | johnsq, i doubt firefox will stop being a hog ever... | 22:12 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: he should build 3.0 this worked good | 22:12 |
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| wazd | timeless_mbp: they don't allow us to use their weather source | 22:28 |
| wazd | timeless_mbp: the only problem of OMW is that it's not 100% legal | 22:29 |
| wazd | timeless_mbp: We spent 4 months or so trying to contact Foreca guys | 22:30 |
| lcuk | o_O | 22:30 |
| slonopotamus | hmm... | 22:30 |
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| wazd | anyway, there are plenty of free weather data providers | 22:30 |
| slonopotamus | weather.com? or who provides data for ff plugin? | 22:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | England weather is easy: Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain, Rain | 22:31 |
| johnsq | *lol* | 22:31 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:31 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, starting with sunday, yep | 22:32 |
| wazd | I'll try to make good looking brief for Accuweather guys, hope they will be interested | 22:32 |
| slonopotamus | right, accuweather | 22:32 |
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| wazd | slonopotamus: they have pretty sexy client for 5800: http://www.bilgiuzmanlari.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/accuweather-nokia-5800-02.jpg | 22:34 |
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| wazd | looks like weather.com fixed the hole again | 22:35 |
| wazd | panic mode on | 22:36 |
| lcuk | fixed the hole? | 22:36 |
| wazd | OMW can't update the weather again | 22:36 |
| lcuk | oh, they changed the xml format they send out? | 22:36 |
| lcuk | or were you directly webscraping? | 22:36 |
| wazd | lcuk: Hope they have changed just XML | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | What's the deal with Weather.com? Do they want money in return for use of their weather data or do they just plain do not allow anyone else the use of their data? | 22:37 |
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| wazd | qwerty12_N810: they just stay silent | 22:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, odd. :\ | 22:38 |
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| wazd | qwerty12_N810: nad their EULA doesn't allow to use weather source for any software | 22:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, right. Thanks | 22:40 |
| lcuk | apart from standardized presentation software | 22:44 |
| lcuk | ie web browser | 22:44 |
| slonopotamus | wazd, looks cool :) | 22:45 |
| slonopotamus | their ff plugin even doesn't show 'accuweather' text until you click links/open menu | 22:46 |
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| wazd | slonopotamus: well, see that free space on the bottom? It's the banner's place :) | 22:56 |
| lcuk | is the firefox extension their own making too | 22:57 |
| lcuk | how do you get around the accuweather blockade then | 23:00 |
| lcuk | im sure we have had this discussion before about different providers | 23:00 |
| lcuk | and the fact things like the uk met office supplies data with a license for uk users | 23:00 |
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| wazd | lcuk: we're not gonna get around the blockade | 23:08 |
| wazd | lcuk: we're gonna ask them legally :) | 23:08 |
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| lcuk | yeah, but what im saying is there are plenty more fish in the sea | 23:09 |
| lcuk | some providers allow fully legit access to their data for users | 23:09 |
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| wazd | lcuk: I haven't found/contacted well any | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | wazd | 23:16 |
| lcuk | the data from the uk met office is released under a crown copyright | 23:16 |
| lcuk | http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/legal/#copyright | 23:16 |
| lcuk | it says: | 23:16 |
| lcuk | The material featured on this site is subject to Crown copyright protection unless otherwise indicated. The material may be downloaded to file or printer for the purposes of private study and scientific research. Any other proposed use of the material is subject to a copyright licence available from the Met Office. | 23:16 |
| lcuk | solution for omweather - make it omweather data study | 23:16 |
| lcuk | and put it in scientific apps department | 23:17 |
| lcuk | private study is what would be happening on a private handheld device | 23:17 |
| javispedro | oh, you're going to use governmental weather sources now? | 23:19 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, i would prefer the weather to come from humans | 23:20 |
| lcuk | but thats a completely different story | 23:20 |
| javispedro | that's hard to scrap | 23:20 |
| javispedro | from the web I mean | 23:20 |
| lcuk | who needs the web, just let something like omweather select from the available nice shiny glyphs | 23:21 |
| javispedro | but at least (here in spain) the automated/100% free weather forecast is a bit more accurate than the weather.com one | 23:21 |
| lcuk | and put the selections on a server somewhere | 23:21 |
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| javispedro | btw, lcuk, seen my post about how the iphone cydia guys are packaging from the iphone itself? | 23:23 |
| lcuk | yeah - im about half an inch from that | 23:23 |
| lcuk | dev on device is comfortable | 23:24 |
| lcuk | packaging is just something ive not cracked | 23:24 |
| * lcuk develops liqbase from windows | 23:24 | |
| javispedro | it should be easier that way | 23:24 |
| javispedro | even though src pkgs will be incompatible | 23:24 |
| lcuk | but the principle works from mac or linux | 23:24 |
| lcuk | ? why incompatible | 23:24 |
| javispedro | they use bare dpkg-deb, and put manually written control files in source package | 23:25 |
| javispedro | instead of letting dh_substvars rewrite them | 23:25 |
| lcuk | ahh - well on the whole, libliqbase is the only dep | 23:25 |
| pupnik | nice | 23:25 |
| javispedro | this is the url I'm talking about http://www.saurik.com/id/7 | 23:26 |
| javispedro | dpkg-deb is a native binary, seemingly not calling other programs other than tar / ar. | 23:27 |
| lcuk | javispedro, looks ok | 23:27 |
| lcuk | and packagebuilder for maemo doesnt even technically need a package | 23:27 |
| lcuk | it needs a .tar.gz of the sources | 23:27 |
| lcuk | a changes file and another one | 23:27 |
| lcuk | my apps come with a templated debian folder | 23:27 |
| javispedro | yes but there is a lot of processing currently done in gmake/bash scripts if we do it "the full debian way" | 23:28 |
| pupnik | bleh @ docs javispedro | 23:28 |
| lcuk | changes dsc and tar.gx | 23:28 |
| lcuk | z | 23:28 |
| lcuk | javispedro, what i mean is - the .deb itself isnt even a requirement | 23:28 |
| lcuk | autobuilder makes that | 23:28 |
| pupnik | btw is there enough time for a sleep in snes? after rendering a frame? | 23:28 |
| lcuk | for all the OSes | 23:28 |
| javispedro | pupnik, for some parts of some games there is... for some others it sucks :( | 23:29 |
| javispedro | so I added "turbo mode" (no sleep) back in | 23:30 |
| javispedro | "-t" cmd line paramter | 23:30 |
| pupnik | oh good | 23:30 |
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| pupnik | does cpu governor keep it pegged at 400? or is it dropping during play? | 23:30 |
| javispedro | it drops. | 23:30 |
| lcuk | instead of sleeping then | 23:30 |
| lcuk | you could try being in a busyloop | 23:31 |
| pupnik | ahaa | 23:31 |
| pupnik | i'd rather never have an app artificially chew up cpu | 23:31 |
| pupnik | thx | 23:31 |
| pupnik | :) | 23:31 |
| lcuk | why not, you recall i doubled the speed of liqbase by working harder | 23:31 |
| lcuk | (until i shoved in performance mode | 23:31 |
| javispedro | also, I now use the snes9x framerate adjusting coe | 23:31 |
| javispedro | code | 23:31 |
| pupnik | right. i'd rather set performance mode. | 23:31 |
| pupnik | how did you decide that javispedro ? | 23:32 |
| javispedro | and the fps counter seems pretty lower, even though I like the result | 23:32 |
| javispedro | mine did regulars slowdowns and slowups. | 23:32 |
| javispedro | really bad for the music, you know :P | 23:33 |
| pupnik | yes! | 23:33 |
| javispedro | are you trying it? | 23:34 |
| johnsq | javispedro: you should seperate music and video | 23:34 |
| pupnik | the only problem with frameskip 1 are the characters that flash every other frame | 23:34 |
| pupnik | it's in the pipeline | 23:34 |
| javispedro | if you want maxspeed try snesadvande.dat, no apu/music, turbo mode and fixed frameskip | 23:34 |
| javispedro | I will put at least all of those options in the gui | 23:34 |
| lcuk | javispedro, when you are using clidia, can you access the full iphone featureset | 23:35 |
| javispedro | lcuk, I don't know, but I'd guess so. | 23:35 |
| javispedro | cydia it's the often talked about "unofficial store" after all: http://cydia.saurik.com/ | 23:35 |
| lcuk | ahhh | 23:37 |
| lcuk | apps are still developed using the iphone sdk | 23:37 |
| lcuk | but its just a method to get the app running on real hardware without apple approval | 23:37 |
| javispedro | I doubt the iphone sdk uses .deb files though | 23:37 |
| lcuk | so its not a full sdk | 23:37 |
| javispedro | and I don't know if the cross-compiler comes with the iphone sdk or does not. | 23:38 |
| javispedro | I mean, the cmd line cross compiler. | 23:38 |
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| javispedro | https://git.maemo.org/?p=drnoksnes;a=blob_plain;f=gui/icons/banner.png;hb=HEAD -- I suck at graphic design ;) | 23:40 |
| lcuk | thats a really cool effort tho | 23:41 |
| lcuk | paging doctor wazd, emergency in ward 10 | 23:42 |
| javispedro | haha :) | 23:42 |
| lcuk | why are the buttons different sizes? | 23:42 |
| lcuk | they look like they are looking at me crosseyed | 23:43 |
| javispedro | it looks like a butterfly to me ;) | 23:43 |
| lcuk | you are right, you suck at graphic design | 23:43 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:43 |
| javispedro | :) | 23:43 |
| lcuk | i cant see that :$ | 23:43 |
| * lcuk is 100000 times worse tho | 23:43 | |
| lcuk | i do fudging hand drawn things | 23:44 |
| lcuk | and leave buttons saying "elet" | 23:44 |
| javispedro | (to tell the truth, I wanted to something similar to the snes logo and not the controller, but that "apperead" instead :P ) | 23:44 |
| lcuk | (for "delete") | 23:44 |
| javispedro | well, if anyone wants to commit patches to the project they're welcome :) i for now will concentrate on the rest of missing features (snapshots) | 23:45 |
| guysoft42 | hi all, is there a way to compile a v4l driver for maemo? i want to get a dvb dongle working on it | 23:45 |
| lcuk | hiya guysoft42 i assume you just get scratchbox working and get the required headers | 23:46 |
| guysoft42 | lcuk, i saw someone got it in germany done, | 23:47 |
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| guysoft42 | i just got the DVB-T working in linux, and its experimental broadcasts here | 23:48 |
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| lcuk | cool | 23:48 |
| guysoft42 | lcuk, also, i am not sure how to play it, since it only runs on vlc | 23:48 |
| lcuk | gstreamer has support for showing v4l stuff | 23:48 |
| lcuk | the camera uses it | 23:49 |
| guysoft42 | lcuk, how would i run it? | 23:49 |
| javispedro | mplayer can also play v4l sources | 23:49 |
| lcuk | i dunno, but if your driver is known to gstreamer you can create a (pathway/route/tunnel) thingy (forgot the name) and just push it onto a gtk surface | 23:49 |
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| javispedro | pipeline :P | 23:51 |
| guysoft42 | javispedro, what would be the command? i can get it only on vlc | 23:51 |
| lcuk | ta javispedro | 23:51 |
| lcuk | you knew what i meant tho :D | 23:51 |
| javispedro | np, most of the time it's going to be me forgetting words :D | 23:52 |
| javispedro | guysoft42, we're talking about dvb-t? | 23:52 |
| javispedro | do you have a channels.conf file? | 23:53 |
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| javispedro | well, for the record guysoft42, in order to play dvb-t in mplayer you have to put a channels.conf file in ~/.mplayer/ then $ mplayer dvb://"CHANNEL NAME" | 23:56 |
| javispedro | dunno if the maemo mplayer has support for that, hope so. | 23:57 |
| lcuk | doctor nick has left for the night javispedro | 23:57 |
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| javispedro | doctor nick riviera just left? aaaw. | 23:58 |
| guysoft42 | javispedro, i saw someone did it.. ill have to look | 23:58 |
| guysoft42 | hmm, does not work | 23:58 |
| lcuk | hows your gaming going GuySoft | 23:59 |
| javispedro | are you trying on your desktop and tablet and, what's the error msg? | 23:59 |
| lcuk | are they both you? | 23:59 |
| guysoft42 | VIDEO MPEG2(pid=513) AUDIO MPA(pid=4113) NO SUBS (yet)! PROGRAM N. 0 our bradcasts are on MPEG4.. because we are new and cool.. must be worngf | 23:59 |
| lcuk | sorry GuySoft if you arent guysoft42 | 23:59 |
| javispedro | lol are _all_ your broadcasts in mpeg4?? | 23:59 |
| guysoft42 | i am both | 23:59 |
| GuySoft | i am both | 23:59 |
| lcuk | phew | 23:59 |
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