IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2009-08-15

Jaffalbt: It's a bug00:00
Jaffalbt: It should have no build-deps since it's entirely python00:01
JaffaWill fix in next release which also avgs accelerometer data00:01
lbtit needs debhelper00:01
lbtwhich isn't build-essential00:01
JaffaTrue00:01
lbtbuilding now00:01
JaffaDoes Maemo even have a proper build-essential in the SDK?00:01
lbtmaemo - no :(00:02
JaffaDidn't think so00:02
JaffaBed  time now00:02
lbtnight00:02
* Luke-Jr makes note Nokia STILL hasn't fixed the XMPP bug00:03
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lbtJaffa: attitude succeeded....00:19
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lcuklbt, i believe you are meant to say00:29
lcuk"We have liftoff!"00:29
lbt0.3.2600:30
lcuk:) yeah00:30
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johnsqThis looks nice: http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/14/keepin-it-real-fake-part-ccxxxi-nokla-e97-probably-looks-much/00:42
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mmu_screenhttp://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_haiku_arm_boot_splash_001.png00:47
mmu_screenhttp://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_haiku_arm_boot_splash_002.png :)00:48
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MaceMerhm00:54
Macerwow00:57
Macerok. now i'm stuck with the network editing screen of doom00:57
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Macerwhere i can't do anything else00:57
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mmu_screenhttp://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_haiku_arm_boot_splash_003.png \o/01:01
javispedroprogress :)01:01
mmu_screen24bpp != 32 :)01:02
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* lcuk is grinning02:42
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* GeneralAntilles is frowning.02:43
* VDVsx yawns :0)02:44
* javispedro does critical damage on Gtk+02:44
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lcukGeneralAntilles, when aren't you frowning?02:46
lcuki was thinking about cleaning up liqbase.net :)02:47
GeneralAntilleslcuk, in consideration.02:47
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lcukand im currently on garage02:47
GeneralAntillesAlso: Kerberos is kicking my ass.02:47
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lcuktrying to grab the layouts you made02:47
lcukbut i havent got svn02:47
lcukso its bein a pain in the ass02:47
GeneralAntilleslcuk, my bitch friends decided against doing the website after I spent a ton of time making it work with WordPress. <_<02:47
GeneralAntillesThen they deleted all of that work, too.02:47
lcuki told you, it wasnt a waste :)02:48
lcukwhy cant i just grab an svn snapshot02:48
lcukdoes git do svn download?02:49
GeneralAntillessvn checkout?02:49
GeneralAntillesGarage should tell you how.02:49
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lcukgit: 'svn' is not a git-command. See 'git --help'.02:52
javispedrothere's a git-svn package on debian at least.02:52
lcukahhh i have git core02:52
lcukfrom diablo extras02:52
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lcukcould someone checkout https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=716 and mail me a zip or upload or something ? :$02:53
javispedrolcuk, trunk?02:54
lcukits the www page actually02:54
javispedroso only the www subfolder02:55
lcukzach has made a nice example app and i think its time to fold up the current cruft on liqbase into a backpage02:55
lcukand general antilles template needs fleshing out02:55
lcukyeah please :$02:55
javispedro172 KiB, can do.02:55
lcukwicked, upload or liquid@gmail.com , whichevers simplist :)02:56
javispedroemail02:57
lcuk\o/ downloaded02:58
lcukthanks javis :)02:59
javispedronp02:59
javispedroi was waiting for mxr.maemo.org to finish a search, but it's still going on :P03:00
lcukheh03:00
lcuki heard something about timeless rerunning it03:00
lcukso the server might be busy03:00
javispedroah, probably03:00
javispedrothen I'd better stop and look for source code to steal somewhere else ;)03:01
lcukits good looking through code03:01
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lcukits even better writing new03:02
lcuki want my sketches to rotate03:02
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Macerheh03:27
Macermaybe mer works better outside the gui03:27
javispedrodid you just build abiword already ;) ?03:28
Macerlol03:30
Macerno03:30
Maceri paused for a while03:30
Macerand am going to try to see if i can get mer to be usable03:30
Macerthe gui is really bad off03:30
Macerstock it doesn't really have much, and what it does have kind of doesn't wrok very well03:30
Maceri like the way it looks though03:30
Macerand using the top of the screen for most of the options is pretty nice03:31
Macerbut the actual apps.. something is screwy03:31
Macerlike when i tried to edit the application launching menu03:31
Macerso i went into control panel03:31
Macerand i couldn't click on anything03:31
Macernor could i exit it03:31
zerojayPCMer's young, but I like the direction it's heading. It's too bad it's not what I would consider day-to-day usable... but knowing the people working on it... it'll get there.03:31
Macerit was doing the same thing that the network manager was doing03:31
Macerso it's more of a base gui issue than just one app does it03:32
MacerzerojayPC: i'm sure it's a lot better to use ssh'd into03:32
Macer;)03:32
Macerbut the gui....03:32
Macerwow03:32
Maceris ther a way to put maemo hildon on it?03:32
Macer:)03:32
Macerlike the complete thing?03:33
Macerinstead of using the default mer gui?03:33
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zerojayPCBeing v0.15... It's a little early for me to jump on the Mer team's backs about UI. :)03:41
Macerheh03:43
Macerbullshit! it's been a year!03:43
Macerlol. just kidding.03:43
zerojayPCHas it been a year already? lol03:43
Macerhaha03:43
Maceroh now we're changing our mind huh?03:43
zerojayPCYeah, when I get to Maemo Summit, I'm gonna body slam 'em all!03:44
zerojayPClol03:44
zerojayPCSeriously though.. has it already been a year?03:44
VDVsxzerojayPC, not yet03:46
VDVsxbut in October at the summit, yes :)03:46
zerojayPCI only recently started checking out Mer. It's still early, but it's got a ton of potential.03:46
zerojayPCAnd I have to say that I was completely *shocked* when I saw the list of people working on it on the Mer wiki page.03:47
VDVsxsee:http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule/Day_2#Mer:_A_year_after03:47
* zerojayPC clicks the Thanks! button.03:47
zerojayPCIf I actually get to the Summit, I'll be sure to be there for that talk.03:48
VDVsxzerojayPC, most of them don't work anymore in a regular basis (my case), and other just have the name there :P03:48
VDVsxS/other/others/03:48
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zerojayPCYeah, that's always going to be the case for some, but even considering that... wow.03:52
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VDVsxI would say 10-15 active members, but Stskeeps can give a more correct number :)03:56
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* GeneralAntilles probably needs to explain why it's not necessary for every project to be in Garage.03:57
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zerojayPC:)03:58
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lcukGeneralAntilles, for me, every project would be in garage03:59
lcukbut when i cannot use git from the device03:59
lcukwtf can i do03:59
lcukgithub is great tho03:59
* lcuk likes the little graph of activity04:00
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Macerok seriously04:43
Maceri just tried to ssh to my mer install04:44
Macerit asked me to change my password04:44
Macerso i did04:44
Macerthen it closed the connection04:44
Macerand when i login with the new password04:44
Macerit asks me to make a new one again04:44
Macerand when it asks for my old one04:44
Maceri type it in and it closes the connection04:44
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Macerwow are you kidding me04:48
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Maceryah. think i'll wait til mer gets to 1.005:26
Macerhehe05:26
Macerthen again though. by then i might have an n900 running nokia's maemo :)05:27
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GreyFoxxAnyone know of any sort of app for "red shifting" the screen on an n810 as a sort of nighttime mode ?05:32
Macerlol05:33
Macerhaha. you trying to go tactical with your n810?05:33
mmu_screenxgamma -rgamma something ?05:33
Maceri never understood that when i was in iraq. i guess a red light is darker ? :)05:33
GreyFoxxno, using it while out with my telescope, andf red doesnt ruin your night vision like white and such05:33
Macerin hte middle of the desert.. it is pretty hard to not notice even a red light at night time05:33
Macerah. ok05:33
mmu_screenoh cool it actually works on my athlon, never tried it05:34
GreyFoxxafter your eyes have adjusted even a small glance at a white light ruins it and you need another 30 minutes to get it back :)05:34
Macerdo some lsd05:34
Macer;)05:34
mmu_screenxgamma -rgamma 1.0 -ggamma 0.5 -bgamma 0.505:34
mmu_screenof course you'll need X11...05:34
GreyFoxxI have a bunch of star maps on it as well as listing to mp3s while use the scope05:34
Macerthat will keep the pupils open05:34
GreyFoxxheh05:35
mmu_screenneed to add gamma support to Haiku someday, it's fully05:35
Macerhow old did the inventor of lsd live?05:35
Macerlike.. to 103 or something?05:35
Macersomeone should do research into that05:35
Macermaybe there was a relationship between lsd and long life05:35
GreyFoxxmmu_screen: I assume getting X11 is uite a lot of work and not something I can just popon and use in the next half hour ?:)05:36
Macerleave it to the government to shun science in favor of christian votes05:36
* Macer points to stem cells05:36
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fureddoI need assistance with the building of my deb file.  Anyone is familiar with the following procedure? http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node14.html05:50
fureddoOne point that I don't understand well is the setting of the DESTDIR in the install: section.05:52
fureddoThe deb file that I generate is too empty.  Files are missing.  I think it's related to the DESTDIR setting.05:54
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Maceranybody knwo why i can't remount initfs as rw?06:38
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fureddoThe deb file I'm creating when issuing the command dpkg-buildpackage does not contain the .desktop file? How can I specify that?06:49
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MacerARGHafjl06:55
johnxallo06:57
Macerjohnx: tell me why /mnt/initfs won't remount rw06:58
Macer:)06:58
johnxwhat does it say?06:58
Macernothing when i try to remount06:58
Macer mount -v -o rw,remount /mnt/initfs06:59
Macer /dev/mtdblock4            4.0M      4.0M         0 100% /mnt/initfs06:59
Macerit wno't go rw for me :(07:00
johnxhmm? so how do you know it's not rw?07:00
Macer:/mnt/initfs# mkdir test07:01
Macermkdir: cannot create directory 'test': No space left on device07:01
johnxuhm, because it's full07:01
johnxlook at the line you just pasted07:01
Macerhow is that possible? :)07:01
johnx"how do filesystems become full?" is a little outside of my scope to answer07:02
Macerhahahaha07:02
Macerwell. i'm just saying what would i have put there that woudl have filled it up like that?07:02
Macerthat just seems like something that would always have a little space left07:02
Maceri'm looking for something i can rm. is there a way to make initfs a little larger?07:03
johnxnope, it's on a fixed size partition07:03
Maceri guess i just have to find something that i can rm?07:05
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johnxyup07:06
johnxare you using bootmenu?07:06
Maceryes07:06
johnxhuh07:06
Macermv: cannot rename 'more': No such file or directory07:06
johnxas part of the bootmenu install it should remove enough stuff to give you room to play07:06
Maceryeah. i chose to remove the "unnecessary stuff"07:06
Macerlet me refresh and make sure07:06
johnxif it were me, I'd reinstall bootmenu let it have it's fun, then reboot, then look at initfs again07:07
Macerthat's what i'm doing now07:07
Macerstrange07:08
Macerwtf07:11
Macerjohnx: ok thanks07:11
Macerthink if found out the problem07:11
johnx:)07:12
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Macerrefresh_bootmenu.d doesn't remove the extra stuff07:12
Macerhopefully running the version mer installed will give me the damn 200KB i need :-P07:14
johnxwhat do you need 200KB for?07:14
Macerputting fb modules in07:14
Macerfor gentoo07:14
johnxfureddo, could you post your rules file?07:14
johnxMacer, why put them in initfs?07:15
Maceri sure hope this does it07:15
Macerhttp://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0/boot07:15
fureddojohnx, Sure.07:15
Macernope07:16
Macerit still shows me 4.0MB with 0 free07:16
Macerwtf07:16
Maceri don't get this07:17
johnxjffs2 is a PITA07:18
fureddojohnx, http://pastebin.com/d294b1c3907:18
Macerrm: cannot remove 'libgcc_s.so': No space left on device07:18
Macerok07:19
Macerthat right there made like no sense :)07:19
Macercan't remove because there is no space?07:19
Macerhaha07:19
johnxfureddo, is your foo.desktop file and the other missing files somewhere under debian/tomotko ?07:20
Maceromg07:21
Maceri can't believe of all the stupid problems07:21
fureddojohnx, I tried to put some files in there and they are not considered.  As soon as I do dpkg-buildpackage, the content of the debian/tomotko directory is overwriten.07:21
Maceri can't remount initfs07:21
Macerthis tablet has me about to throw it into a wall07:22
johnxfureddo, right. that directory is created as part of dpkg-buildpackage. After your run dpkg-buildpackage is your foo.desktop in debian/tomotko?07:23
johnxMacer, if mount -o rw,remount /mnt/initfs gives no error then it remounted07:23
johnxno space left != read only fs07:23
fureddojohnx, No.  That's my problem.07:23
johnxok, then look at the output of dpkg-buildpackage and see if it mentions the .desktop file at any point07:24
fureddojohnx, Ok, *checking*07:24
johnxmight want to log it to a file "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot &> build.log"07:25
Macerjohnx: then why can't i rm stuff off it?07:25
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Macer"no removing. the disk is full"07:25
Macerhaha07:25
johnxjffs2 is a PITA :)07:26
johnxcheck dmesg, see if there's anything helpful07:26
fureddojohnx, I will paste the content of build.log.07:26
Macerone sec. i'm trying the latest init_flash07:26
Macermaytbe mine was broken07:27
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fureddojohnx, http://pastebin.com/d6a4fefc307:29
fureddojohnx, No mention of .desktop anywhere in the log file.07:30
zacekhi there, im new using N81007:30
zacekhow can i use the handwriting?07:30
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Maceri'm about to start from scratch over this crap :)07:32
johnxzacek, I think it's in settings -> control panel -> text input settings -> on screen -> enable stylus input methods07:33
Maceryah screw it07:34
Maceri'm going to just but the stock stuff on this thing and start from scratch and try again07:35
johnxfureddo, is there a .desktop file anywhere in the source tree?07:35
Maceri can't figure out why this initfs won't let me write to it07:35
johnxfind ./ -name *.desktop07:35
Macerthere isn't anything letting me know07:35
johnxMacer, did you check dmesg?07:35
Maceryea07:35
fureddojohnx, Well, not really.  I have one in a /etc/deb directory that need to be copied somewhere.  I just don't know where to copy it.07:36
Macerthere isn't anything in there related to initfs or mtdblock407:36
Macercan i possibly boot from the sd and try to mount it from there?07:36
johnxfureddo, aaah, well that's easier then :)07:36
johnxMacer, why do you need to shove that huge module in initfs?07:36
Macerwell. it is what the instructions say to do in order to get fb working in gentoo07:37
Maceri was just messing around about the size07:37
Macerit probably isn't that large at all07:37
johnxfureddo, let me get you a couple lines to add to rules. need to remember them first :)07:37
fureddojohnx, ok07:37
Macerbut i can't remount this amn initfs as rw07:37
johnxMacer, listen to me: it is remounted07:38
Macerheh07:38
johnxjffs2 can get into a state where you can't modify it "online"07:38
Macerit's offline now ;)07:38
johnxyou can make yourself a jffs2 image and flash it back07:38
Maceri just boot frmo the sd07:38
johnxthat's about the simplest way07:39
johnxand yes, anytime you're trying to write to a mounted initfs it is "online"07:39
johnxnow, put the modules on the root of your sd card and load them from there: problem solved07:39
Macerwell. the modules have to load on boot in order to make sure fbconsole can work with gentoo07:40
johnxyes07:40
Macerand i guess it reads the module from initfs in order to load them07:40
johnxyeah07:40
zacekthnks johnx, but i still cant handwrite in the notepas07:40
Macerso how does putting them on the sd help? :)07:40
johnxMacer, so load them later -> you get console later07:40
johnxzacek, look up xournal or maemopad+07:41
johnxbetter notepads that support "drawing" or handwriting notes07:41
johnxno character recognition though07:41
johnxzacek, but you got the "handwriting" thing to work right? and that's not what you want?07:41
Macerjohnx: how is mtdblock4 mounted as /mnt/initfs and / ?07:42
Macermeaning.. how can i mount the place it reads when it boots?07:42
zacekyes johnx, the handwrite is working on my N81007:43
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johnxyou can mount a dev in as many places as you want07:43
Macerthen why is there one showing me 4MB and one showing me 256MB07:43
johnxzacek, ok. I recommend xournal for "written" notes and quicknote for typed notes both should be on maemo.org/downloads07:43
zacekbut i would like to use it instead of the keyboard07:43
Macerwith the one with 4MB being the one containing the modules07:43
Macer?07:43
johnxMacer, one's rootfs, one's initfs07:43
johnxprobably lying about what device it really is07:44
zacekill try, thnks07:44
Macerhow can i mount the initfs if i am not using it?07:44
Macerif i boot from the sd how can i mount the initfs?07:44
Macersince the device name is thesame as the rootfs?07:44
johnxMacer, but it's not really the same device name07:45
johnxmount is lying to you07:45
johnxI think initfs is /dev/mtdblock2 maybe?07:45
johnxor 3?07:45
johnxroot is 407:45
johnxzacek, ah, if you're not seeing the handwriting pad at all, then when the small keyboard comes up onscreen, click the bottom left button -> input methods -> handwriting07:46
johnxsorry if I'm misunderstanding what you're saying07:46
Macernope07:47
Macerthat was right07:47
Macerit won't mount as a rw filesystem07:47
Macerit's 3 ;)07:47
Macerrm: cannot remove 'libgcc_s.so': Read-only file system07:47
johnxfureddo, you might want to get the source to someone else's debian package as an example. maybe maemopad07:48
johnxI think the line for installing your own files is something like:07:48
johnxinstall -d $(CURDIR)/debian/tomotko/usr/share/applications/hildon-desktop07:49
Maceryeah i'm going to have to make my own initfs and i don't know how to do that07:49
johnxinstall -m644 foo.desktop $(CURDIR)/debian/tomotko/usr/share/applications/hildon-desktop/foo.desktop07:49
johnxMacer, look at the bootmenu install script07:50
johnxhas all the answers07:50
johnx..07:50
johnx*but* it should be easier to install whatever program you want inside of maemo rather than install a whole different distro :D07:50
fureddojohnx, Where can I find the maemopad deb file?  In the repository under the source directory?07:50
johnxyes07:51
johnxI'll find you a link07:51
johnxfor those too "install ..." lines, if you use them, put them above the "make DESTDIR=... install" line07:51
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fureddojohnx, I thought it was something like that.  Curiously, the documentation omit to mention it.07:52
johnxmost programs come with their own .desktop file07:52
johnxand it gets installed by make install07:53
fureddojohnx, I found a file maemopadplus07:53
johnxok07:53
johnxor maemopad is here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/m/maemopad/07:53
Macerjohnx: i think i will just try without the modules for now07:54
Macerhopefully they aren't REQUIRED just to boot :)07:54
johnxMacer, lol, well you won't have a console, but go ahead07:54
johnxput them on the rootfs and load them from there. so much easier07:54
Maceri'm trying to boot from it though07:55
Macerhow would putting it on the rootfs of another fs help?07:55
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johnxboot from what?07:56
johnxwhat are you booting from?07:56
Maceranother partition running gentoo07:56
johnxput them where you're booting from07:56
johnxproblem solved07:56
Macerand how do i load them in bootmenu?07:56
Maceri would figure that i'd need to have them loaded before gentoo boots07:56
johnxyou don't need them loaded before gentoo07:57
johnxit's just you can't see anything until they're loaded07:57
Macerthat is so ghetto ;)07:57
johnxso load them right after you switch to the partition gentoo is on07:57
johnxyeah, turns out ghetto = practical a lot of the time07:57
Macerhaha07:57
johnxand elegant = " a waste of Macer's friday night" :P07:57
* Macer checks to see if johnx is on the Mer dev team 07:58
Macer=)07:58
johnxyou should see my kernel hacks :>07:58
Macerlol07:58
Macerjust shovel it out huh?07:58
fureddojohnx, Maemopad uses a Makefile.am that refers to .links file in debian directory that refers to the .desktop file.  I've seen something about that on another website.  Maybe that will fix the problem.07:58
johnxah07:59
johnxfureddo, yeah you could do it that way07:59
Maceri honestly think i am going to go ahead and reflash the device and start over and hope that clears up whatever is preventing the jffs2 initfs from mounting rw07:59
Macerwhich would suck but better that it works right07:59
Maceryeah.. i think i'll take that route :)07:59
johnxMacer, lol. well it's your time07:59
Maceryah. but i want it to work08:00
johnxMacer, just so you know, I was one of the earlier people getting debian booting because I was willing to go with the less elegant approach as long as it consistently worked08:00
fureddojohnx, I wonder if the Makefile.am will provoke a conflict with the Makefile that has been generated by qmake...  Anyway, I will give it a try.08:00
johnxfureddo, if it was me, I'd use the install ... lines I posted08:00
Macerand the learning curve to figure out how to make my own jffs2 would take just as long as starting over and fixing whatever broke the jffs2 initfs to begin with08:00
johnxI don't think qmake and Makefile.am go together08:00
fureddojohnx, Ok, I will try it first.  And google for it too in case someone has blogged about this solution.08:01
johnxlet me find a better example debian source...08:01
Maceror!08:01
Maceri can find a kernel with fb support built in :)08:02
fureddojohnx, Ok.  That would be appreciated.  Because the desktop file is just one file.  I have other files to be copied in a very similar way, I guess.08:02
Macerand flash that to the device instead of worrying about the modules08:02
fureddojohnx, The other files are config files and translation files.08:02
johnxfureddo, I've used the "install ..." method quite a bit08:02
fureddojohnx, Good.  It gives me hope.08:02
Macerjohnx: where would i find a new maemo kernel that might have it? would you know?08:02
johnxyou can do whole directories at a time with that method08:03
johnxMacer, I was going to make one, but I decided the easiest way was to load the modules from the same filesystem I was loading debian from08:03
johnxso I never bothered08:03
johnxthere's a thread about it08:03
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Macerhaha08:04
Macerdamn08:04
* Macer ponders08:04
johnxbeen there, done that. that's why I'm giving advice :)08:05
Macermaybe i should just download the sdk and make my own kernel08:05
Maceri figured someone else may have made one08:05
johnxall because you don't want to spend 30 seconds to write "insmode foo.ko" and put it on your gentoo install...08:05
johnxs/insmode/insmod/08:05
infobotjohnx meant: all because you don't want to spend 30 seconds to write "insmod foo.ko" and put it on your gentoo install...08:05
Macerjohnx: yes :)08:06
Macerbecause that method is not how it is supposed to be dnoe08:06
johnx"supposed to be done"?08:07
Macershouldn't have to wait 20 secs to see what your device is doing08:07
Macer;)08:07
johnxwho said 20 seconds08:07
johnxwe're talking a difference of half a second here08:07
Maceroh really?08:07
Macer:)08:07
Maceri thought i'd be there with a blank screen until login:08:07
johnxnope, lots of stuff is running before login...08:08
johnxmake yourself an init script, put it first in order08:08
Macerok. i'll try that first then08:08
Maceri mean if worse came to worst i still have my int sd maemo install08:08
Macerso reflashing wouldn't be a complete loss08:09
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Maceri'd just need to re-install bootmenu08:09
Maceri think i'm still going to install debian somewhere and get the maemo sdk08:13
Macerjust to build a proper kernel for this08:14
johnxfureddo, haven't forgotten, still looking through my old packages :)08:15
fureddojohnx, Ok, no prob.  I'm trying your solution as we speak.08:16
fureddojohnx, If it works for one file, it will work for the others so I like this solution.08:16
johnxand it's a lot easier than editing makefiles :)08:17
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fureddojohnx, I cannot agree more.  Especially because I want to automate this procedure because it's just too complicated.  I don't want to live this nightmare again.08:18
johnxyeah, debian packaging isn't the most straightforward thing, but once you figure it out it's not too bad08:18
fureddojohnx, Man, I think you're very kind.08:18
johnxthis might help: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-desktop-env/annotate/head%3A/debian/rules08:19
fureddojohnx, Thanks08:19
fureddojohnx, You really save my day.08:20
johnx:D08:20
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fureddojohnx, It works!!!08:21
johnxcool! now I'm looking forward to your port of tomotko :D08:22
johnxneed to brush up on my nihongo :)08:22
fureddojohnx, ahaha08:22
fureddojohnx, Unless another problem pops up, I should be able to upload it tomorrow.08:23
johnxthat's quite cool08:23
johnxdid you have to change the source much to make the interface work nicely?08:24
fureddojohnx, No, zero change.08:24
johnxwow08:24
fureddojohnx, I don't know how it will look on a real device though.08:24
fureddojohnx, I have no maemo devices at my disposal.08:25
johnxbut it looks ok in the "maemo sdk"?08:25
johnxwhat devices do you have?08:25
fureddojohnx, I have a Zaurus SL-C1000.08:25
johnxah. which ROM are you running?08:25
fureddojohnx, It looks ok I think but depending on the size of the screen, it may be a little bit tight.  Apparently that you can use the fullscreen mode to fix that but I don't know how to do that.08:26
fureddojohnx, The Sharp original rom.08:26
Macerwell08:29
Macerjohnx: i just made a n init.d script with all the insmods and copied the modules over08:29
Macerhopefully that works :)08:29
Macerfor gentoo it should be like.. rc-update add framebuffer boot08:29
Macerto get it to being at boot time08:30
johnxsure08:30
Macerit has been a very long time since i've used gentoo though08:30
johnxor just copy right to /etc/rcS.d as S01macer08:30
johnxor wherever getoo puts stuff like that08:30
Macershit i don't even know to tell you the truth. i haven't used gentoo in years08:30
Macer:)08:30
Macerit wasn't bad but it would keep breaking08:30
Maceresp with the python stuff08:30
johnxheh08:31
johnxno comment08:31
Macerwould be kind of neet if this works though08:31
johnxjust remember: make it work first, make it pretty later :)08:31
MacerLuke-Jr said he had kde4 running on it (slow as shit)08:32
* johnx reflashes his c1000 for probably the thousandth time08:32
Macerhaha08:32
Maceryeah. i'd love to figure out what the hell  happened with my damn initfs not being able to write to it08:32
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Macerbut i guess you're right though08:32
Macerif it can boot now then it will boot later as long as i have a working bootmenu08:32
Macerso if i reflash to fix the jffs2 later i can just re-install bootmenu and start them right back up since they won't really be going anywhere08:33
johnxyup08:33
Macerstill sucks tho ;)08:34
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Macer make.profile -> /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/arm/2008.0/08:42
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johnxgot it booting to a console?08:43
Luke-Jrjohnx: Gentoo's init scripts have little in common with rcS.d crap08:49
Luke-JrMacer: there's already a module autoload init script you can configure08:49
Luke-JrMacer: is your initfs actually jffs2?08:49
Luke-Jrsquashfs or whatever the default is is always read-only08:50
johnxLuke-Jr, have you ever used a squashfs initfs on your tablet?08:50
Luke-Jrno08:50
Maceropenpty failed: 'out of pty devices'08:50
johnxthen uhm...what?08:51
Luke-Jrhaha, fail08:51
Macerperl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset),08:51
Macer:)08:51
Maceri forgot to set a locale i'm guessing08:51
johnxbut it actually boots?08:51
Macerno. i'm just adding git and layman08:51
Macerto add the n8x0 repo08:51
Luke-Jrlol08:51
MacerLuke-Jr: i figure it's jff2 considering mount -t jffs2 mounted it08:52
Macerunless that mounts squashfs also08:52
Macerif i can get it to boot i will reflash with the nokia stuff08:52
Macerand try again08:52
Macerto add the modules to initfs.. maybe one fo the bootmenus i tried screwed it up08:52
* Luke-Jr watches Macer brick his N81008:53
Macerbrick it by flashing with the nokia flasher? ;)08:53
Maceri doubt it08:53
Luke-Jr08:53
Luke-Jrquite possible08:53
johnxanything is possible08:53
johnxsome things are so unlikely that worrying about them is a waste of time08:54
Macermaybe if the battery died at just the right moment08:54
Macerheh08:54
Luke-Jrespecially for Macer08:54
Luke-JrMacer: no, just flash a bad NOLO08:54
Pavlovhate debugging on n810 so much08:54
johnxthe answer to that is easy: only flash kernel/initfs/rootfs08:54
Pavlovhatehatehate08:54
Luke-JrPavlov: hater!08:54
Maceri forgot how to set the locale in gentoo08:54
Pavlovi've been called worse;)08:54
Luke-JrMacer: I never knew08:55
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Macerthen why am i getting perl locale errors? :)08:55
johnxdpkg-reconfigure locales08:56
Macerin gentoo?08:56
Macerheh. blah. it is still building with the fallback08:56
* johnx is being a smartass08:56
Macerthat's cosmetic :)08:56
Maceri'll fix that later.. as long as this stuff builds and installs and boots... i can fix all the rest later08:56
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Macer(or not)08:56
Macerfunny thing is.. i only got the n810 for my car08:57
Macerwtf am i doing?!08:57
Macerit just kind of sucked me in08:57
Macer:)08:57
johnxit happens08:57
Macerif i had my vaporbook touch08:57
Maceri probably wouldn't even be touching this n81008:57
Maceri think it's because my nokia mount was out of stock08:57
Macerand my older car only has obd1.5 which is incompatible with well..08:58
Macereverything08:58
Macerperl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").08:58
johnxwhat kinda stuff you doing with Nokia->car interface?08:58
johnxworking on tuning?08:59
MacerWELL. i WAS just going to use it for stats on my older car08:59
Maceri have an 09 tahoe which has no need for that crap08:59
Macerand my 1994 caprice classic08:59
Macerwhich i wanted to have an n810 with carman on08:59
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fureddojohnx, When uploading a file to extras, should I do it just for diablo or all the 3 target repos?08:59
Macerunfortunately for me though... only 1996 caprice classics had an obd2 port08:59
johnxfureddo, start with diablo :)09:00
fureddojohnx, ok09:00
Macerstart with fremantle :-P09:00
Macerhaha09:00
Macernobody does diablo anymore :(09:00
johnxMacer, yeah, 1996 was the big OBDII year09:01
johnxa couple 95's have it, IIRC09:01
Maceryeah09:01
Macer1995 was when it was mandated09:01
Macer1996 was when they HAD to have them for emissions09:01
Macerdamn tree huggers :)09:01
Maceri just wanted it for stats09:01
Macermy caprice doesn't even have a standard obd1 port09:01
fureddojohnx, Does it take long time for a submitted package to be processed usually?09:02
Macerit has a GM proprietary obd "1.5" port that sucks balls09:02
Maceri might just sell it and get a newer caprice or maybe an 06 impala09:02
Macerthose were great years for those cars09:02
Macershame that we are stuck with these garbage impalas :)09:02
johnxMacer, well, I could say other things about GM...but I want my Volt...09:03
Macerhaha09:03
Maceri use my caprice for my day to day driving to keep miles off the tahoe09:03
johnxgot a little 1996 subaru impreza that needs a WRX motor swap badly :)09:04
JaffaMorning, all09:17
johnxmornin' Jaffa09:19
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Macerdo perl modules really requier "compiling" ?09:21
Macer:)09:21
Maceraren't they just overrated scripts?09:21
MacerLuke-Jr: wow this is going to take all night haha09:22
* Macer goes to sleep09:22
Macerit's on 7 of 31 and it hasn't even done real building yet :)09:22
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zerojayPCalmost 3am. Guess I should try to get some sleep.09:29
Macersleep is a crutch09:30
johnxsleep is for the weak09:33
Macerheh09:33
Maceri guess i should have turned on the swap before trying to build stuff huh? :)09:34
Maceri was wondering why it was going so slow09:34
MyrttiEnough time to sleep when youre dead09:34
Macerright when i turned it on.. it sucked up 400MB of it09:34
Luke-JrMacer: liar09:37
Luke-Jrthe N810 will crash before it uses 300 MB09:37
Macer:-P er no?09:42
Macerwait til it does it again09:42
Maceri'll paste :)09:42
Macerbut i promise it went up to 400MB of swap space of my external SD (have 1GB swap partition)09:43
Maceri had to stop the stuff because the perl thing was erking me :)09:43
Macerjust had to set locale settings09:43
Macerno more of that mess now.. maybe you just have a cheap broke ass SD or n810 :-P haha09:44
Macerdamn it's still doing it.. blah.. ah well09:44
Maceri probably don't have us_EN on here or something09:44
Macerer.. en_US09:45
johnxMacer, did you by chance disable lifeguard reset?09:45
Macerlifeguard reset?09:45
Maceri doubt it if i don't know what you are talking about ;)09:46
johnxthe thing that keeps it from getting it in reboot loops09:46
johnxjust trying to find a difference between Luke-Jr's setup and yours09:46
Macernot that i know of. although. i did flash a new kernel recently09:46
Macerthe one that fixed the misnamed devices in bootmenu09:46
Macerwhich is probably why i can't remount my initfs haha09:47
Macerinsmod /lib/modules/drivers/video/console/fbcon.ko09:50
Macerthat might not work :)09:50
johnxah, missing a bit :)09:50
Macerinsmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/drivers/video/console/fbcon.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module09:51
Macerawesome09:51
qwerty12_N810iirc, bitblit and softcursor are required to be loaded first09:51
johnxqwerty12_N810, you're too nice. I was just going to say something like "remember the proper order" :)09:52
Macerqwerty12_N810: thanks09:52
Macerthat did it ;)09:52
Macerhaha09:52
qwerty12_N810johnx: :D09:52
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rm_youjohnx: :D09:53
Macerwell.. then this things should boot :)09:53
johnxhey rm_you09:53
rm_youI'm alive :P09:53
rm_youI see you are too09:53
johnxfraid so09:53
rm_youNifty :)09:53
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Macer         framebuffer | boot09:54
Macerdo people drink at the maemo summit?09:54
johnxhappily debootstrap'ing ubuntu for zaurus :)09:54
johnxMacer, yes09:54
rm_you:P09:54
Maceri mean. is it like.. harold and kumar where the asian club is taking drinks out the breasts of women09:54
Macer?09:54
rm_youI guess they released the statusbar stuff for Fremantle? so i guess I should get on that...09:54
Macerrm_you: fix the broken framework first09:54
rm_youMacer: oh god yes, there is drinking :P09:55
Macerlike not being able to go t owindows behind other windows09:55
Macer:)09:55
Macerlike... modifying the application menu is one of them09:55
qwerty12_N810Macer: I heard it's like Big Bob's sandwich09:55
Macerand the one with the network manager and the key thing behind it09:55
rm_youMacer: from last summit I remember vaguely almost passing out on the bathroom floor and something about running to McDonalds with jott and lcuk :P09:55
Macerhahahah09:55
rm_youand that's about it for that night <_<09:55
Macerrough night :)09:55
Macerwhere is the summit?09:56
Macerdk?09:56
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rm_youI tried to go beer for beer with a native German O_o09:56
rm_youbad idea.09:56
rm_youAmsterdam09:56
Macerrm_you: lol!09:56
Maceromg09:56
Macerthe summit is in amsterdam?109:56
Macerwow09:56
rm_youhttp://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit_2009/09:56
Maceri thought it would be somewhere boring :)09:56
Macerhow many people go?09:56
rm_youLast time it was in C-Base in Berlin, that was far from boring :P09:56
johnxCopenhagen is actually kinda cool09:57
Macerit's not like 10 guys in a circle jerk is it?09:57
Macer:)09:57
rm_youusually around 300 (I say usually, even tho there's only been one so far :P)09:57
Macerwow that many?09:57
Macerdoes nokia fund it or something?09:57
rm_youjohnx: you sign up yet?09:57
rm_youMacer: somewhat yes09:57
Macerthat's awesome :)09:57
rm_youMacer: they flew me there last time... though back then I was a lot more active <_<09:57
johnxrm_you, not quite yet09:57
johnxthis weekend though09:58
rm_youI need to get to work on that09:58
Macerrm_you: wow09:58
Macerrm_you: fix the mer widnows not responding :)09:58
Macerthe gui! someone please fix the gui!09:58
Macerhaha09:58
rm_youOf course back then, my app NEEDED to be in active development... at this point it pretty much just works. except now i need to fix it for fremantle before the summit09:58
rm_youI feel like I should be helping more with Mer, but life keeps getting in the way :/09:58
johnxrm_you, I want to have a PoC by the end of this weekend or so, then I'll sign up with that under my belt09:59
rm_youhaving a job over the summer doesn't help09:59
johnxknow the feeling09:59
johnxO_o;09:59
rm_youPoC?09:59
* johnx rm_you I'd like to have mer up in some form on a zaurus and wii before I register09:59
johnx<- fails at IRC, might succumb to sleep10:00
rm_youAlso, G1 + Google Latitude == exactly what we wanted for that conference radar app :P10:00
qwerty12_N810johnx: Turn on sound notification; I'll keep on spamming you! :O10:00
rm_youcan set picture and status and it updates my location via GPS over cellular :P10:00
rm_youso LITERALLY exactly what we wanted, lol10:01
johnxrm_you, it has an API, right?10:01
rm_youyeah i think so10:01
johnxqwerty12_N810, uhm, thanks :P10:01
rm_youeverything google has an API10:01
johnxexcept when they can make money off of it10:01
rm_youyeah I could work on a maemo app for it10:01
johnxor geolocation for tear :)10:01
rm_you:P10:02
johnxchrome has it and it's webkit10:02
johnxmight not be bad to steal :>10:02
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johnxanyways, sleep10:04
johnxmight be hacking on this tomorrow10:04
rm_youhttp://geojson.org/geojson-spec.html10:04
rm_youthat's the spec we wanted earlier i think10:04
rm_youanywho, yeah looks like the API isn't public yet10:04
rm_yousadness10:04
rm_younight johnx10:05
rm_youactually I think I shall sleep too <_< night all10:05
johnx'night rm_you, all10:05
qwerty12_N810gn10:05
rm_youor KML10:05
* rm_you sleeps10:05
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unixSnobhow can I find out the commandline args for osso-xterm?10:14
johnxlike, what it accepts?10:14
unixSnobyeah10:14
johnxprobably easiest to read the source10:15
unixSnobeg, I want to do a -x "tail some_log_file"10:15
johnxwait, crap, I was supposed to be asleep10:15
unixSnobi think "-x" might be the correct switch to exec a command because there's no error and it launches, but the window closes immediately10:17
unixSnobi probably need to ask developers.. users probably wouldn't know this10:18
unixSnobwhere's the developers channel?10:18
johnxthis is it10:18
johnxand probably no one knows it except the guy who wrote it10:19
qwerty12_N810...who shared his wisdom by releasing the source (like johnx said)10:19
fureddojohnx, I have another problem I would like you to look up.10:27
fureddojohnx, I tried to upload my tomotko package but I get a strange error.10:27
fureddojohnx, https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/tomotko_0.11.2-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt10:28
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fureddoWhen I run dpkg-depcheck -m dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b, I get the following output:10:47
fureddohttp://pastebin.com/m22adbd3110:48
fureddoThe last lines look suspicious but don't tell me much really.10:50
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fureddoI have this line in my control file:10:53
fureddoBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, qt4-qmake10:53
fureddoI think it's correct.10:53
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MeizirkkiIs this a python2.5 vs python2.6 problem? http://pastebin.com/m594afacd10:59
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unixSnobthe code is crap11:02
unixSnobargv is passed to some function that doesn't exist11:03
qwerty12_N810unixSnob: osso-xterm -e "tail -f <file>" worked here11:04
unixSnobah, -e, i didn't think of that.  Was that just a guess?11:05
qwerty12_N810Yes :\11:05
Jaffaargv works for me: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/packages/vim.pkg/extras/vim.launch?revision=266&root=mud-builder&view=markup11:06
unixSnobhmm... -e doesn't work for me.. nothing happens11:06
JaffaDid you try: osso-xterm tail -f <file> ?11:07
Jaffa(Rather than giving a single arg which needs to be passed to a shell)11:07
qwerty12_N810-e isn't needed here11:07
Macer* Overlay "n8x0" does not exist!11:07
qwerty12_N810And you're quoting your whole tail command?11:07
MacerLuke-Jr: what am i missing here?11:07
unixSnobqwerty12_N810: i quote the whole tail command when it's passed with a switch.. and that's what i did w/ the -e.  I did not get an xterm window11:10
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unixSnobJaffa: I also tried without the switch, both with and w/out quotes11:10
qwerty12_N810I'm doing this over SSH and I get an xterm window, with the tail. What are you running exactly?11:11
unixSnobqwerty12_N810: I'm ssh'd into the NIT11:11
unixSnobqwerty12_N810: if I run osso-xterm by itself, it works11:12
unixSnobwhen I start sending args, i get different behaviour.  Usually it launches and immediately closes before I can see the screen11:12
qwerty12_N810Oh, are you doing this as root?11:13
unixSnobyes11:13
unixSnobI just got it to work this way: /usr/bin/maemo-summoner /usr/bin/osso-xterm.launch -e 'tail -f <file>'11:13
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unixSnobNow that i got it working, I'm going to embed it in a script11:14
qwerty12_N810maemo-invoker11:14
qwerty12_N810not maemo-summoner11:14
Macerah. never mind11:14
unixSnobso every time openssh opens a tunnel, I want it to launch a tail of the logfile11:14
Macerforgot to put layman -f on your site instructions ;)11:14
qwerty12_N810oh, it works, ignore me then :)11:15
unixSnobqwerty12_N810: in fact, the invoker doesn't work11:15
qwerty12_N810It should do... maybe it just needs a run-standalone.sh before it11:16
qwerty12_N810If Nokia aren't gonna give a task switcher with the Fremantle SDK, then they should at least give wmctrl...11:17
* Macer installs compiz on the gentoo install11:18
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Macerboot from gentoo failed, booting from flash11:24
Macerhaha11:24
Macerdamn11:24
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unixSnobqwerty12_N810: although it maemo-summoner works from the commandline, I get "D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory" when i run within a script11:37
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Macerwtf11:37
Macerwell. i guess i know why my initfs wasn't working anymore :-\11:37
qwerty12_N810...and I did intend to reply...11:37
Macerthe kernel i flashed to fix the damn sd names11:38
MacerOS Edition 200611:38
lbtMacer: not really a Mer problem then ;)  good11:39
qwerty12_N8102006 wasn't even available for N8x0, how does that make sense11:39
Macerlbt: wasn't mer i was having a problem with ;)11:39
Macerwell. other than its gui haha11:39
Maceralthough i'd sure like to know wtf was up with the ssh asking me for a password over and over11:39
Macerthat was odd11:39
lbtwas the ssh mer?11:39
Maceryes11:40
lbtthat's what I meant...11:40
Macerasked for me to type in a new password because it was enforced to do so11:40
Maceri did ... put in a new one11:40
lbtyou seem to have time issues11:40
Macerand when i used the new one .. it did the same thing11:40
Maceroh yeah. that too :)11:40
Macerit was making futuristic files11:40
lbtI wonder if you have an internal clock problem?11:40
Maceri just used ntpdate to adjust the clock11:40
Maceri'm going to nokia flash this thing and start over and see if i can get gentoo going th right way11:41
Macerwhen i tried to boot gentoo it would just kind of sit there11:41
Macerthen reboot11:41
Macerheh11:41
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lbtsounds like you have a sensible tablet11:41
Maceri think i should just build my own kernel for it11:42
lbtare you using the Mer kernel?11:43
lbtI think that's a good place to build a community kernel11:43
lbtit shouldn't be Mer specific11:44
lbtby which I mean, not the Mer prebuilt kernel11:44
lbtbut the Mer kernel sources and build mechanism11:44
Maceri'm in a fresh maemo install now11:46
Macer:)11:46
Macerlet me see if i can remount initfs11:46
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zerojayPCHmm.12:02
zerojayPCPidgin facebook plugin.12:02
zerojayPCRequired files for Facebook plugin to work through Haze.12:03
zerojayPCHmmmmm.12:03
zerojayPCMacer: What package are you using to install gcc to your tablet?12:04
lcukbuild-essential12:04
lcukor gcc itself12:04
zerojayPCThrough apt-get?12:04
lcukyeah12:04
lcukyou add the sdk and tools repos :)12:05
lcuksame ones you use when you are in scratchbox12:05
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zerojayPCMaybe I can poke qole and have him take a look at this then.12:07
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zerojayPCHmm.. the haze.manager file on the tablet lists myspace.12:10
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lcukmornin zakkmm12:11
zakkmmmorning lcuk12:12
zakkmmheh i should probably be getting sleep.12:12
zakkmmsigned on from nokia in bed.12:12
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* lcuk watches the universe unfold12:14
* zakkmm wonders what lcuk meant12:15
lcuk:)12:16
lcukyou are sleepy12:16
lcukand wouldnt want to mess12:16
lcukask me tomorrow :P12:17
zakkmmwanna see what im buying in few days?12:17
lcukgo for it12:17
Macerheh12:17
MacerzerojayPC: the one on the sdk12:17
Macerwell12:17
Maceri got gentoo to TRY to boot12:17
lcukmornin macer12:17
Macerfb worked and everything which is a plus12:17
Macer:)12:17
Macerit just kernel paniced12:18
lcuki gather you gave up on dpkg for now12:18
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Macerlcuk: for a moment12:18
* lcuk nods12:18
Maceri want to see about getting gentoo going12:18
lcuki said it cascades lol12:18
Macerlcuk: yeah it's a bitch12:18
lcukyeah, gentoo would be easier12:18
zakkmmhttp://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=023713&cid=MTR.863 $205 usd after tax.12:18
Macerwell... Luke-Jr said he got kde4 running on it12:18
Macer:)12:18
Maceron the brighter side tho...12:19
lcukyeah ive seen kde running on tablet12:19
Macerfound out i wasted like12:19
lcukat the last summit12:19
Macer2 hours trying to find out why initfs wouldn't remount rw12:19
Macerand it was the "updated kernel" that was from 200612:19
Macerhaha12:19
zakkmmlol12:19
Macerto correct device names in bootmenu12:19
lcukyikes12:19
zakkmmemerge --sync ;p12:19
Macerzakkmm: lol12:20
Macernot that easy12:20
Maceri think i had the install screwed up while i was off figuring out why initfs wasn't working12:20
Macerjust have to fix a few things i suppose12:20
Macerbut the fb worked :)12:20
lcukzakkmm, thats a nice monitor12:20
Macerso that's a lus12:20
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lcukmornin VDVsx12:20
zakkmmmacer check url12:20
zakkmmthanks lcuk.12:20
VDVsxmorning lcuk :)12:20
* lcuk is going bowling later12:21
lcukyet another thing which i risk my fingers for!12:21
VDVsxlol12:22
slonopotamus>.>12:23
lcuko                          |||||12:24
lcuk o                         |||||12:24
lcuk  o                        |||||12:24
lcuki'll combo breaker myself, i will prolly need to fill screen before i get a strike12:25
Macerhuh?12:25
Macerzakkmm: what url?12:25
zakkmmhttp://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=023713&cid=MTR.863 im buying12:26
zakkmm23.3 inch12:26
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Macerwtf12:31
zakkmm?12:31
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Macermy internal sd doesn't seem to want to boot anymore12:34
lcukthats crap12:35
lcukmornin qwerty12_N81012:35
qwerty12_N810Hello lcuk12:36
* lcuk sneezes12:37
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qwerty12_N810I'm having the time of my life trying to stop Transmission crashing when I use a HildonFileChooserDialog12:39
lcukoooer12:40
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Macertrying to install gentoo again now that everything "works"12:43
Macerhow do i disable the boot picture?12:43
Macerso that fb doesn't look all jacked up?12:44
Macerodd12:46
Maceri did all the things that GeneralAntilles said to do on his site12:46
Macerbut i still get a screwed up nokia pic in the middle of the screen with a bar and it's all jacked up :)12:46
Macerwith fb txt in the background12:46
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qwerty12_N810Got that fixed. Yay.12:52
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lcukheh qwerty12_N81012:59
lcukmornin pupnik12:59
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pupnikmoin lcuk13:00
pupniklets make an app for n900 so you just point the device at some text, and it auto-translates and reads it to you13:00
pupnik... profit!13:00
lcukbut for that, you need ocr scanning13:01
pupnik5mp camera should do it if you hold it close enough13:01
pupnikwell if it were trivial, we'd have it already lcuk13:02
lcukim not thinking of the (admittedly amazing) 5mp capability13:02
pupnikyep you'd need to ocr, then figure out the language, then run a translator13:02
ShadowJKand 5MP is useless unless it can focus13:03
lcukpupnik, its a doddle13:03
lcuklets get scotty onto it13:03
lcukShadowJK, aint that the truth13:04
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lcukkonttori__, did that work for you14:02
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lcukdid i get the accleremoter code correct?14:04
MacerChe is a pretty awesome movie14:04
Macerabout the cuban revolution14:04
lcukits 2 movies14:06
lcukor is it just 2 halves14:07
lcukheh http://www.flickr.com/photos/obajoo/3812027662/sizes/l/14:07
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VDVsxgeeks ...14:11
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lcukVDVsx, we are all geeks here!14:11
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pupnikis there a *working* maemo SDK vmware image yet?  nope.  bad dog, no biscuit.14:14
VDVsxlcuk, true, but I'm not geek enough to put a pac-man in my wedding cake, lol14:14
pupnikcan't even launch it14:14
lcukheh14:14
lcukpupnik, is it really that bad14:14
lcuklast time i used it it worked - mind you, that was a chinook image by default14:15
Maceryah14:15
Maceri'm watching the 2nd part now14:16
Macerthat goddamn che was nuts14:16
pupniklcuk: it is missing an essential file to even be *run* from vmware14:17
lcuk:S disconcerting14:17
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pupnikforgot which, there's the image files, then there's meta-info about the image (.vmdk) - that meta-info file is missing14:18
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pupnikbeen that way for like 9 months14:18
pupnikall he needs to do is add that file to the zip14:18
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lcukthen mail him and post on the site14:18
lcukand raise a bug14:18
lcukand tell your mum over him14:18
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lcukand if all that fails, you could just install ubuntu and scratchbox somewhere14:20
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lcukblt or bacon and egg14:28
lcukor just bacon?14:28
slonopotamusbacon14:29
lcukwell everything includes bacon14:29
lcukits what sundries i have14:29
qwerty12_N810ganja infused bacon?14:29
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zerojayPClcuk: http://tinyurl.com/ms5hah14:38
zerojayPCEverything includes bacon14:39
lcukhttp://twitter.com/liqbase14:40
lcukmy pic :D14:41
lcukqwerty12_N810, this early in the morning?14:41
qwerty12_N810lcuk: morning?14:41
zerojayPChaha14:41
lcukzerojayPC, thats one of the eastereggs in original liqbase14:42
lcukqwerty12_N810, its weekend, its morning all the way until monday14:42
qwerty12_N810Interesting rule :p14:42
lcukindeed14:43
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Macerit's probably a good thing i'm re-installing this gentoo14:57
Macerheh.. i forgot to make a root pw last time14:57
Maceri'd just wind up rebooting and chrooting for no reason since it didn't boot anyways14:57
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lcukhey javispedro15:17
lcukhow goes the gaming15:17
javispedrodoing a gui...15:17
javispedromorning :)15:18
lcukguis are fun15:18
* lcuk is adding rotation support for sketches15:19
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javispedroguis are no fun at all (still trying to get hildon file chooser to accept my extension filter), but it may end up looking good enough -- i'm using osso-games-launcher15:22
lcukcool15:22
pupniktake notes pls15:23
lopzhi15:23
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javispedrohi pupnik15:23
qwerty12_N810javispedro: apologies if I'm stating the obvious but HildonFileChooserDialog wants you to call gtk_file_chooser_set_filter() too15:23
lcukyes javispedro with anything you do on the standard stuff, if you have to dig and find info yourself and pull from multitple sources, please document these things15:23
javispedroqwerty12_N810, that did not work... i'm getting "better" results if I set it as a property at object construct time15:24
Macerjavispedro: work on the mer gui :-P15:24
qwerty12_N810javispedro: odd, it does here but I'm not doing anything complex...15:25
* lcuk loves his interactive screensaver15:25
javispedrooh, wtf, I will only accept 1 extension for the moment15:25
Macerugh15:25
Macergit is taking forever to install15:25
Macer:)15:25
lcukheh macer15:25
lcukyou arent havin much luck at the mom15:26
Macersure hope this crap boots15:26
lcukent15:26
qwerty12_N810rofl15:26
Maceroh i'm about to just give up and run maemo415:26
lcukits solid and stable15:26
lcukand if you know about the potholes in the road, you can drive round em15:26
Maceryah15:26
Maceri'm going to try this gentoo crap one more time and if it doesn't wrok i think i give up on my n81015:27
Macermaemo4life15:27
Macer(tm)15:27
lcukjust wish there was a dpkg_buildpackage.deb that i could install15:27
lcuki'd pay for something like that!15:27
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lcuk:P15:27
Macerlcuk: you could probably make one in the sdk15:27
lcuki havent got time15:28
qwerty12_N810You can have a jffs2 image of my N800's flash, I have it working there :p15:28
Macerlol15:28
Macermake it into a pkg qwerty12_N810 :-P15:28
lcukand its the only thing i lack to being able to do end to end development on the tablet15:28
Macerand put it on garage15:28
javispedroyou could also create a borked version of the debian package building toolchain ;)15:28
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lcukqwerty12_N810, simplify it and make a package of it :)15:28
javispedroaka replace everything with tar package.deb *.* ;) (or ar or whatever they use these days)15:28
Maceror mer can shift over to using gentoo as a base instead of maemo and get the sound working :)15:29
Macermaemo/ubuntu15:29
lcukheh15:29
qwerty12_N810lcuk: no inclination, I got a ssh account so I just use scratchbox there :p15:29
Macerat least then you know it will build haha15:29
javispedrowhat would be nice15:29
javispedrois maemo rebasing itself on mer.15:29
lcukqwerty, you got a paypal?15:29
Macermer is rebasing itself on maemo5 src15:29
Macer:)15:30
qwerty12_N810lcuk: nope :)15:30
Macerqwerty12_N810: cmon. make the deb.. FOR THE COMMUNITY!15:30
Macer:)15:30
Macerthe community man!!15:30
qwerty12_N810I can't be bothered to add a ton of dpkg-diverts :-p15:31
lcukqwerty12_N810, if everyone in the chan sent you a postcard would you? :D15:31
qwerty12_N810ganja or nothing15:31
lcukhehehehe15:31
lcukshame you aren't coming to the summit15:31
lcuki wouldv obliged15:32
qwerty12_N810lol15:32
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javispedroah, first thing to document: osso_games_startup takes an _absolute_ path as parameter or exits silently.15:33
Macerit's in amsterdam15:33
Macercan't you just go to a pot bar or something?15:33
Maceror whatever they call it15:33
GeneralAntillesMacer, I have no site.15:33
Macerlol!15:34
MacerGeneralAntilles: welcome to 6 hours ago :)15:34
Macerhow did you even see that? tell me you didn't scroll up like 300 pages of irc15:34
GeneralAntillesYes, I'm working my way through the scrollback.15:34
lcukMacer, are you coming to the summit15:34
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GeneralAntillesI see a list of missed highlights on my screen when I sit down.15:35
GeneralAntillesand I can cycle through them with a shortcut.15:35
GeneralAntillesand, yes, I usually scroll through the stuff I've missed daily.15:35
Macerlcuk: lol..i'm not l33t enough to go to amsterdam for a maemo summit15:35
lcukwhy not?15:35
Macerthe euros here might be able to do it. but going from chicago to amsterdam is a LONG flight15:36
lcukyou are digging into the bowels of the system, and your experiences would be good15:36
Macernot really haven't had much success ;)15:36
lcukahh didnt think you were stateside anyway15:36
Macerhaha.. yeah. i'm in chicago15:36
lcukmacer, "WD-40" the grand success of lubricants got nowhere for its first 39 attempts.  that did not mean they were failures15:37
Macerwhat became of the other formulas? :)15:37
lcukthey were part of a pathway to slippery greatness15:37
Macerever see someoen put wd40 on their brakes to quiet them? :)15:37
lcukwithout them, there would be squeeky doors and siezed up screws worldwide15:37
lcukyeah15:37
Macerdoes it catch fire?15:38
lcukyeah its flammable15:38
Maceri was wondering why i saw a car a while back with flaming tires15:38
lcukmustv been a hotwheels model15:38
Macerand remembered a long time ago a friend of mine that did that and figured that was the cause15:38
lcukgotta go15:39
lcukbowling time!15:39
qwerty12_N810Spinning rims are better15:39
Macerqwerty12_N810: never got into the baller rims15:39
lcukdid you get your pm macer15:39
Maceryah. .. i'll test if yo uwant :)15:39
Macerknow what's funny15:41
Macerlike.. in 1992.. my n810 would have been a FAST device15:41
Macer:)15:41
GeneralAntillesWD-40 is the worst15:42
GeneralAntillesIt pulls in water like crazy, doesn't lubricate well and is a pain to apply.15:42
* GeneralAntilles just uses gun oil on stuff.15:43
GeneralAntillesMacer, in 1992, your N810 would've been a dream.15:43
GeneralAntillesand way more than a fast device, since it's comparable to Pentium II/III system.15:44
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pupniki thought part of the point of wd40 was to adhere to metals and protect from water15:50
javispedroit's around the same speed as my 1998ish Celeron 333 Mhz laptop.15:51
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VDVsxoh my, 'gerbick' also trolls in twitter with the maemo tag :P15:52
javispedrothe ultimate troll? :P15:52
qwerty12_N810Time for Nokia to prepare the hitmen15:53
VDVsxand has good friends : http://twitter.com/darkbulb/status/3317035629  -> http://twitter.com/darkbulb/status/3324006572  lol15:54
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Macernope15:59
Macerstill won't boot15:59
Macercp /mnt/new_root/linuxrc: no such file or directory15:59
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Maceroh15:59
Macerit's trying to boot16:00
Macer/dev/{EXT_SD}px as its root fs16:00
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zerojayPCVDVsx: Haha.16:38
zerojayPCShit like that... that just makes me proud. :)16:39
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zerojayPCWhen you see them doing that, and they can't respond directly to the points you're making, you know you've won. ;)16:43
GAN800I'm worried about the education they're giving uninformed people.16:44
zerojayPCYeah, definitely.16:45
zerojayPCI personally love their "enslave all the programmers" attitude. :)16:45
zerojayPCAnd the way they seem to think the world owes them something.16:45
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zerojayPCPerhaps an interesting test for the Fremantle device... Quake Live goes live on Linux on August 18th.16:52
zerojayPCAnd for anyone that doesn't know, Quake Live is basically Quake 3 running in your browser window.16:53
zerojayPCWith online play, tournaments, etc..16:53
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VDVsxQuake 3 runs on an n95, so should also run in the new device :)16:58
zerojayPCNo doubt.16:59
zerojayPCJust wonder if Quake Live will run fast enough through the browser.17:03
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javispedrozerojayPC, I believe Quake uses a native browser plugin.17:05
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zerojayPCyep.17:05
javispedrothat means no Quake Live I guess.17:06
GAN800I totally wanted to set up Quake tournaments for tablet users.17:06
zerojayPCI haven't tried the Quake ports yet. Worthwhile?17:08
pupniki think one of them has great (actually playable) controls17:08
GAN800Yeah, fun.17:09
pupniki think that was bundyo's q2 build?17:09
GAN800Controls are hard, but even Quake II runs pretty decently.17:09
GAN800Stylus + dpad is an amazingly effective mouse/keyboard replacement.17:09
pupnikonly if done right :)17:10
GAN800Of course.17:10
GAN800But the exact same thing should be said for mouse/keyboard. . . .17:10
GAN800Making a mouse emulate a joystick is clearly not the way to do it.17:11
pupnikseen the FPS game ports on Iphone?17:11
pupnikmakes me want to cough up a hairball17:11
zerojayPClol17:11
lbtok - who wants to help tell the devs who have apps in fremantle extras when they won't build on Mer?17:12
javispedroah lbt, forget about mines, they do dirty install-on-memory card  hacks.17:13
lbtif you do, pop over to #mer and ask me - would be appreciated :)17:13
javispedrofor reference: opengfx openttd & openttd-data17:13
javispedro(they were a quick upload just to test the sdl palette issue)17:13
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GAN800lbt, wiki page?17:19
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GAN800lbt, or borrow X-Fade re-build'n'check scripts?17:19
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lbtwiki would do to start - I'm after bodies really17:20
GAN800lbt, I need to round two the package cats thing but Nokia wont ship the goddamn cat updates. . . .17:22
lbtI'm interested in fixing that for the installer and the app menu thing17:23
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pupnik"Never critisize another person unless you've walked a mile in their shoes.  That way, if they get upset, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."17:34
zerojayPClol17:34
aquatix*grin*17:39
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chetanhi. i have a question about assembling the car mount. i read on the forums that the nokia logo peice at the center pops out. is there any knob to push or should i just brute force it?17:55
chetanaah.. i was pushing it the wrong way17:59
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pupnikSign for your office: "The flogging will continue until morale improves"18:32
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lcukz4chh, which install guide?18:37
z4chhhttp://blog.zachhabersang.com/?p=20018:39
lcukta, had your breakfast yet?18:39
z4chhyep18:40
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lcuki got beat at bowling by jake18:40
javispedrooh.. maemo-summoner!18:40
lcukand by tracy18:40
lcukjavispedro ?18:40
javispedromaemo-summoner!! launches a maemo-launcher application under itself18:41
javispedroI've been looking for you for too many days, maemo-summoner18:41
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lcukheh, get a room!18:42
javispedroyou can never read enough diablo reference manual, there's always something new.18:43
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slonopotamus-.-18:43
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kfxanyone know if fremantle ships with pim apps, and what sync protocol they use?19:24
kfxall the symbian stuff ships syncml compliant; wondering if fremantle will join that party19:25
pupnikyou seem to be conflating applications and operating systems19:25
pupnikmaybe i'm a fool for resisting that...19:25
kfxok, I'll slow down19:28
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kfxs60 ships invariably with a calendar app.  my e61, for instance, also ships with a 'sync' app, which supports syncml out of the box.19:28
kfxnokia is going to ship fremantle with some applications preinstalled.  I am interested in knowing if anyone is familiar with the functionality of those applications19:29
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MekI'm quite sure that anyone that knows what is there can't talk about it :)19:31
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kfxthat's what I was afraid of19:32
kfxit's hard to develop for a system when we don't know what else will be running on it19:32
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lcukhey rm_you19:50
lcukMek, Mek not very open sourcey to develop in caves :P19:51
lcuk-mek lol19:51
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inzlcuk, dont all oss devs develop in basements, ie the modern caves20:34
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lcukindeed we do - i even do a modern version of cave painting20:34
kfxyeah but we have webcams now20:35
kfxintercave20:35
lcukthats goin a bit too far20:35
kfxall I want is a webcam in the fremantle devs' offices :V20:35
lcuktheres no way i want to see photos from inside your cavern20:35
lcukkfx, theres many apps being developed in the open20:36
kfxits okay my wife makes me keep it clean20:36
lcukand things like the native calendar api is able to be used by third parties20:36
kfxlcuk: yeah, I'm wondering stuff like are they using EDS again?20:36
lcuki dont know20:36
lcukbut its not all closed off (well, the stuff in the open isnt closed off, im not sure what som groups are doing behind closed doors20:37
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lcukbut since thats not open and community based and since we dont know if its even in motion yet, do we need to worry20:37
kfxnative calendar api -- which one would that be?  opensync? syncml (funambol? synthesis?)?  caldav?  etc etc20:38
* lcuk has a calendar :)20:38
lcukerrr i dunno which it is20:38
lcukhold on20:38
kfxany urls would be appreciated20:39
qwerty12_N810http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/calendar-backend/20:40
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lcukthanks qwerty12_N81020:43
lcuki just found it myself20:43
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kfxoh awesome20:44
kfxthis is exactly what I was looking for20:44
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esaym153ould be appreciated20:57
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LinuxCodekoan, ?21:02
LinuxCodekoan, EFnet koan ?21:02
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daniel32708Hello people!  I have been loking in the wiki but I havent been able to find.  Is there a way to view kernel messages during startup instead of the Nokia/Maemo screen?21:06
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lcukdaniel32708, i believe there is, but the path to obtaining such messages is long and hard.21:13
VDVsxdaniel32708, http://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting21:14
VDVsxlcuk, did you won the bowling match ? lol21:15
daniel32708thx guys21:15
lcukno lol21:15
lcukbeaten by a 7 year old21:16
lcuki twittered it didnt i21:16
VDVsxnop, you app don't work, :P21:16
VDVsx*your21:16
lcuktwitter.com/liqbase - ahhh other account21:16
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lcukworks for me :P21:19
LinuxCodelcuk, what about twatter ?21:20
LinuxCodehave you made an account yet ?21:21
daniel32708Most PCs have an option in the BIOS that asks for a password before the OS is loaded. THis is good in case the PC (laptop) is stolen, because an unexperienced person wouldnt know how to get around (basically removing bios chip or battery which might clear bios memory in some pcs). Anyways,  has somebody tried to do something similar in the Nokia?  that is, a "bios password"  ?21:21
lcukyeah, theres 2 - my personal one and the liqbase testing one21:21
lcuktwitter.com/lcuk21:21
lcukand twitter.com/liqbase21:21
LinuxCodelcuk, twatter..not twitter21:21
lcukthe liqbase one is where im muckin about with stuff21:21
lcukheh21:21
* LinuxCode is trying to make a sarcastic joke21:21
lcukit says that "cannot register twatter.com/linuxcode, name taken (UID#1)21:22
LinuxCodelcuk, unlikely21:22
lcukheh21:22
LinuxCodeand if I had the domain, it would be taken21:22
LinuxCodein fact, I tried to register it21:23
LinuxCodeand maike a twitter sppof21:23
LinuxCodespoof21:23
LinuxCodeno, not a spoof website, a spoof as in take the piss, website21:23
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johnsqHi21:31
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GAN800daniel32708, lock code.21:43
GAN800That's as close as you'll get.21:43
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pupnikhahaha22:04
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qkallHey i'm using pidgin with rtcomm and msn keeps saying some error about not able to get contacts network error22:21
pupnikwhat is pidgin22:22
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qkallA multi client instant messenger22:23
qkallUsed to be gaim22:23
zerojayPCqkall: Are you using qole's fixed libpurple0 ?22:24
qkallHm... Not sure22:25
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qkallI'm pretty sure i have the catalog22:25
zerojayPCFollow this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=242652&postcount=33822:25
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timeless_mbplcuk: any idea what javispedro was looking for?22:38
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timeless_mbplcuk: please tell javispedro to try http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/ident?i=hildon_file_selection_new_with_model instead of /search22:40
lcukahhh timeless_mbp i dont know what he was looking for22:41
timeless_mbpsearch is incredibly expensive (and basically doesn't work) for a large tree without a file find restriction22:41
lcukbut the mxr was slow22:41
qkallzerojaypc: thanks it worked22:41
lcukand i was sure you said you were refreshing it22:41
timeless_mbpthat should be what he was looking for22:41
* timeless_mbp ponders22:41
lcukok timeless_mbp ill try to remember22:41
timeless_mbpi do need to update the mxr codebase22:41
timeless_mbpbut the refresh is mostly adding fremantle which maybe if i have time/energy i'll do this week22:42
timeless_mbpjust for reference when using mxr, if you're looking for a function, you should really use the identifier search22:43
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* timeless_mbp chuckles22:49
timeless_mbpis maemo.org planning to lose its beta status?22:49
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lcuki dunno22:50
lcukis it22:50
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lcukdoes the n8x0 diablo support using a usb floppy drive?23:12
qwerty12_N810You serious?23:13
lcukam i ever serious23:13
lcukbut the question does bring up some things23:13
lcuki gather that drivers exist on desktop side23:13
LinuxCodelcuk, loool23:13
johnsqlcuk: you can build the drivers self, than you can use the usb drive23:15
lcukthought that would be the answer :)23:15
lcukLinuxCode, there you go :P23:16
lcukyou can get stuff onto your 810 :D23:16
LinuxCodelcuk, too complicated23:16
LinuxCodelol23:16
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LinuxCodegive me a few days23:16
lcukno1 ever said it would be easy23:16
LinuxCodei get my wlan to work again23:16
LinuxCodeor find the fricking cable23:16
LinuxCodelcuk, of course not lol23:16
LinuxCode;-D23:16
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LinuxCodejust proves the point, anything is possible in linux23:17
lcukindeed it does23:17
woglindehm there are a lot of patches for omap2 on the arm-kernel-ml23:18
woglindewonder if there will be a newer maemo version with latest kernel23:18
woglindefor n8xx23:18
lcukthat would be good23:19
johnsqiirc there was a omap kernel with n8x0 patches23:23
woglindejohnsq I want a offical one23:23
woglindean23:23
woglindeargs23:24
johnsqwhen you want offical version use win-mobil (don't take this serious)23:25
woglinde*g*23:26
woglindewhere I find it23:26
johnsqwe will see if the new zune has it23:26
woglindezune has qt23:26
woglindeI bet23:26
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lcukwoglinde, zune is ms23:27
lcukwont it be .net?23:27
woglindenope qt for win ce23:28
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lcukheh, cant eat their own dogfood23:28
woglinde.net dont has this scrolling stuff23:28
woglindeyou saw on the video23:28
lcukthe scrolling stuff comes from the graphics library invariably written in c or asm23:28
woglindeor qt23:28
* pupnik ponders ... wineCE 23:29
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lcuknope, which23:29
woglinde*g*23:29
lcukwoglinde, i forget qt is closer to metal than .net23:30
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lcukwoglinde, you got a link23:34
woglindehm23:34
woglindewazd posteted the link to the zune hd23:35
woglindesearch in the irc logs23:35
lcukmeh23:36
lcuknot just for curiousity lol23:36
lcukzerojayPC, you added to liqbase that acct is just my test one lol23:36
lcuknot that i mind of course :D23:36
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timeless_mbpok, i've updated the mxr.maemo.org ui :)23:47
timeless_mbpwell really the engine23:47
timeless_mbpiirc GeneralAntilles owes me some branding23:47
pupnikcongrats timeless_mbp23:50
timeless_mbppupnik: this isn't the addition of fremantle23:50
timeless_mbpit's just updating mxr's feature set to match what i've done for mxr upstream23:50
timeless_mbpit does mean that some things should work a bit better23:50
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timeless_mbpsadly other things will require database updates for real benefit to be found23:50
timeless_mbpwhich requires me to actually set up my indexer at work23:51
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lbtGeneralAntilles: http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/whats-cooking-for-the-application-manager-2/23:58
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