| lcuk | but thats not to say it couldnt happen | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | im just not interested :) | 00:00 |
| sneakret | or ... http://www.groupboard.com/products/ | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | yeah, tis nothing new | 00:00 |
| lcuk | i did whiteboard years ago | 00:00 |
| Robot101 | I wrote an IRC whiteboard with mIRC scripting once :P | 00:01 |
| sneakret | lcuk: I'm not detracting from your effort. Just suggesting options for oespirit. | 00:01 |
| lcuk | its just in your hand that makes it fun | 00:01 |
| sneakret | Exactly. | 00:01 |
| sneakret | liqbase is totally different than those things. | 00:01 |
| lcuk | Robot101, i got kicked when i did live irc sketching a few months ago | 00:01 |
| sneakret | Hahaha. | 00:01 |
| sneakret | did it convert to ASCII art for the people not using the client? :) | 00:01 |
| lcuk | heh no but it should | 00:02 |
| Robot101 | well, you need to discover support before you send sketch events... :D | 00:02 |
| Robot101 | otherwise you get comic chat all over again | 00:02 |
| Robot101 | Appears as NOVICE. | 00:02 |
| Robot101 | [#NONSENSE] HEY GUYS | 00:02 |
| lcuk | Robot101, on web server i want a sketch forum | 00:02 |
| Robot101 | [#&*X*((WTF] whats up? | 00:02 |
| lcuk | with flash or just png views | 00:02 |
| lcuk | if browsed from the tablet it should just grab the raw liqsketch files | 00:02 |
| sneakret | Ugh. Comic Chat. | 00:02 |
| lcuk | Robot101, that happens now if you go into foreign language channels | 00:03 |
| lcuk | you just learn not to go there :P | 00:03 |
| sneakret | Haha. | 00:03 |
| Robot101 | this is something you'll never convince me is a good idea :) | 00:03 |
| Robot101 | XMPP and friends have different namespaces for different types of content | 00:04 |
| lcuk | sneakret, i just uploaded a very rough test build of the liqbase-playground to extras-devel, it should have hit by now, v 0.3.12 | 00:04 |
| Robot101 | IRC just shouldn't be used in that way | 00:04 |
| lcuk | heh Robot101 that sounds like a "plain text emails only" topic | 00:04 |
| sneakret | lcuk: Cool. I'll check it out this evening. :) | 00:05 |
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| Robot101 | no, e-mail has a standard for embedding multiple content types | 00:05 |
| lcuk | :) | 00:05 |
| oespirit | sneakret: thanks for the links :) . lcuk, liqbase does have a speed advantage over existing stuff, if I am not mistaken ? | 00:06 |
| lcuk | about 20-30% :) and tear free | 00:06 |
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| lcuk | thats just in transfer overhead, add to that the lighter UI elements and its even more | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | hola lopz \o | 00:08 |
| lopz | hola | 00:08 |
| * lcuk beat you to it | 00:09 | |
| lopz | xD | 00:09 |
| lopz | hi lcuk o7 | 00:09 |
| lcuk | ouch, you break your arm? :D | 00:09 |
| lcuk | Robot101, you know | 00:10 |
| lcuk | it might work nicely | 00:10 |
| * lcuk reconsiders | 00:10 | |
| lcuk | theres no central server required if done over im - at least none from me | 00:10 |
| lcuk | its all covered by the im provider isnt it | 00:11 |
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| jeremiah | lcuk: Saw all you liqbase-playground packages got built by the autobuilder. | 00:26 |
| jeremiah | s/you/your | 00:27 |
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| lcuk | yeah jeremiah and i think weve ironed out the last bits needed t oget it installed cleanly and running as intended :) | 00:27 |
| lcuk | i even think it would run nicely on fremantle :) | 00:28 |
| lcuk | remind me never ever ever tou touch debian folders again ;) | 00:29 |
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| sneakret | Hmm... anyone know if Nokia has any plans to do anything to attract commercial application developers? | 00:54 |
| sneakret | (like an app store) | 00:54 |
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| lcuk | sneakret, the current devices support paid and suscription apps now, i have no problems using free software to connect and/or require a subscription for data updates. | 00:59 |
| lcuk | so even if a free open source app store opened it could still attract commercial development | 00:59 |
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| roope | sneakret: There's the Ovi Store, of course. | 01:08 |
| lcuk | hiya roope \o | 01:08 |
| roope | Hiya. Although nothing has been yet announced in terms of Maemo, I think. | 01:09 |
| lcuk | ooh, next tablet runnin x60 then :D | 01:09 |
| lcuk | s | 01:09 |
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| GAN8001 | Hopefully the Maemo deployment is less utterly sucktastic | 01:14 |
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| GAN8001 | Ovi Store has somehow actually managed to make my Symbian experience worse | 01:16 |
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| lcuk | heh | 01:17 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: yeah, the telepathy stuff is all peer to peer | 01:17 |
| GAN800 | A search for 'flight' brings up one that only works for Signapore and one that only works on a few of the largest airlines. | 01:17 |
| Robot101 | anyone who has an IM account, which is anyone who has a gmail account, which is everyone, can use it... | 01:17 |
| lcuk | Robot101, then thats a feather in its cap :) | 01:17 |
| Robot101 | and if not you can get accounts on jabber.org or any other server at the click of a button | 01:17 |
| Robot101 | also it works over LANs in the same way | 01:18 |
| GAN800 | Both of which seem to be in ugly, horrifying Java and are as slow as they could possibly be. | 01:18 |
| lcuk | are there (really) simple getting started guides for the lib, ive got loads of other things on and cant really get bogged down in something else | 01:18 |
| Robot101 | you can swap out the XMPP backend with the link-local one and find the people nearby | 01:18 |
| Robot101 | we started on a telepathy-book but its incomplete atm :/ | 01:18 |
| lcuk | ie - at the mo theres loads of simple straight forward socket ones | 01:18 |
| lcuk | no need for a book | 01:18 |
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| lcuk | small tiny working example with descriptions of whats goin on would suffice | 01:19 |
| Robot101 | http://people.collabora.co.uk/~davyd/telepathy-book/ has some examples | 01:19 |
| * Robot101 gotta run, bbl | 01:19 | |
| lcuk | ok ta \o | 01:19 |
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| lcuk | Robot101, take a look at liqbase-playground on your machine (its in extras-devel) it might just work with it (replace my static thumbnails of users with real ppl :)) | 01:28 |
| timelyN81 | General, heh | 01:29 |
| timelyN81 | General, well, i believe we don't support java, so that might help :-) | 01:30 |
| GAN800 | Let's hope. | 01:32 |
| GAN800 | Still, one can sort of appreciate Apple'd gatekeeping after seeing the shit on Ovi. | 01:33 |
| lcuk | wasnt it more a case of decent clean framework available from apple with no history, so they set the standard | 01:33 |
| lcuk | once you have good apps in there they will push out the crap | 01:34 |
| lcuk | and keep it out | 01:34 |
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| timelyN81 | No | 01:34 |
| lcuk | what then | 01:35 |
| timelyN81 | Depends on how rankings work | 01:36 |
| timelyN81 | And searching | 01:36 |
| lcuk | but once good apps take off and become the "buzz" the rest become insignificant | 01:37 |
| lcuk | im sure there are are real shite apps on iphone | 01:37 |
| lcuk | but no1 remembers them | 01:37 |
| timelyN81 | Well, you're assuming a huge number of applicationi | 01:38 |
| lcuk | yeah, apple has that now, as much crap as ovi is getting, it will find its balance and will start to work and stuff | 01:38 |
| timelyN81 | Did you ever use nokia's Download! ? | 01:39 |
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| lcuk | that would imply i own (a) a nokia phone, and (b) one that actually does anything more than call | 01:39 |
| lcuk | nokias are reliable and phone first :) | 01:40 |
| timelyN81 | Just asking :) | 01:40 |
| lcuk | i know you have | 01:40 |
| lcuk | and ive heard the problems lots have had | 01:40 |
| lcuk | theres always v2 and v3 etc - it will come | 01:40 |
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| timelyN81 | I'll use anything once or twice | 01:41 |
| timelyN81 | That isn't an endorsement | 01:41 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:42 |
| timelyN81 | My chief complaint about apple's store is its insistance on sending a Finnish license agreement to my English user agent | 01:43 |
| timelyN81 | No point in worrying about nokia, their English is incomprehensible | 01:44 |
| timelyN81 | I'm not a lawyer, but i'm used to legalese. And in working groups, i'm one the people who poke at the fine print | 01:46 |
| lcuk | thats a bit troublesome, there must be a better way to do it | 01:47 |
| lcuk | how comfortable is the desktop app to use | 01:48 |
| timelyN81 | Licenses? | 01:48 |
| lcuk | ie nokia itunes | 01:48 |
| lcuk | everything | 01:48 |
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| lcuk | its an important component in peoples lives, its nice to be able to do everything on their devices, but its important to have desktop presence too | 01:49 |
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| timelyN81 | Well, lasti checked, ovi.com's root page had 11 flash instances | 01:49 |
| lcuk | *cringe* | 01:50 |
| timelyN81 | I'm not brave enough to proceed | 01:50 |
| lcuk | hah | 01:50 |
| timelyN81 | I've heard some devices fail to login | 01:50 |
| lcuk | ive heard stories of needing to enter phone number, activate via message enter code again and finally download | 01:51 |
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| lcuk | would be nice if we could just use the wifi and connect/authenticate to desktop app and get that ridiculous scenario out of the way | 01:51 |
| timelyN81 | Eh? | 01:52 |
| lcuk | ill try to find link | 01:52 |
| lcuk | people having troubles linking phones with downloads | 01:53 |
| lcuk | timelyN81, it was people trying to download the store app onto their phones themselves, slight mismemory. | 01:59 |
| lcuk | im goin codin anyhoo \o cya later | 01:59 |
| timelyN81 | Ovi? | 02:00 |
| lcuk | yeah | 02:00 |
| timelyN81 | User error ;-) | 02:00 |
| jeremiah | EUSERFAIL | 02:00 |
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| xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 | 02:27 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man@pool-71-124-32-204.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2h 51m 7s ago, saying: 'lol'. | 02:27 |
| xnt14 | damn, just missed him xD | 02:27 |
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| FireFox16 | hi | 02:41 |
| FireFox16 | xnt14, i'm here xD | 02:41 |
| xnt14 | oh xDDDDDD | 02:41 |
| xnt14 | brb | 02:41 |
| FireFox16 | xD | 02:41 |
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| FireFox16 | xD | 02:51 |
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| xnt14[laptop] | FireFox16, You There? | 03:10 |
| FireFox16 | yup | 03:11 |
| xnt14[laptop] | k | 03:11 |
| xnt14[laptop] | invite me | 03:11 |
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| FireFox16 | you're in ;) | 03:13 |
| FireFox16 | hay crashanddie | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nokia-n97-review-a-tale-of-two-bloggers/#continued " and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it's the most important smartphone Nokia has ever made" that'll be funny when the Maemo phone is released. | 03:13 |
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| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man@pool-71-124-32-204.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 25m 7s ago, saying: 'lol'. | 05:01 |
| xnt14 | lol | 05:01 |
| xnt14 | oh crap, | 05:01 |
| * xnt14 just noticed ^ | 05:01 | |
| xnt14 | xD | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too hot for auto work. | 05:01 |
| xnt14 | :P | 05:02 |
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| xnt14 | GA: moterized windows? | 05:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sadly it's a mechanical failure. | 05:03 |
| xnt14 | :( | 05:03 |
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| yonkeltron | is there a preferred media player? i've got canola but it's slow and i can't multitask while using it | 05:52 |
| yonkeltron | is there something a little lighter? | 05:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Media player? | 05:55 |
| yonkeltron | yes. for music and the like | 05:55 |
| yonkeltron | well, i really only need it for music | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, yes, and my answer is "Media player" | 05:55 |
| yonkeltron | ah | 05:57 |
| yonkeltron | i see | 05:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Other than that, maybe Media Box, UKMP, Kagu, or mpd | 05:57 |
| yonkeltron | mpd runs on maemo now? | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Has since forever and a day | 05:58 |
| yonkeltron | never knew | 05:59 |
| yonkeltron | that's hilarious | 05:59 |
| yonkeltron | is media box any good? | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some like it, some don't | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Arguably a lighter weight Canola in many ways. | 05:59 |
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| yonkeltron | youamp seems good | 06:01 |
| yonkeltron | like what i want | 06:01 |
| yonkeltron | playback, playlists, plays all my music | 06:01 |
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| yonkeltron | whoa! my hebrew music shows up with proper titles! | 06:06 |
| FireFox16 | xD | 06:06 |
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| Ave | is there an addon for gpe-calendar thatd allow use of syncml? | 06:49 |
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| billcawell_ | hello! | 06:58 |
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| sisto | does the screen on the new internet tablet have capacitive touch? | 07:05 |
| doc|home | which new tablet? | 07:07 |
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| pupnik_ | Maemo_Diablo_Ubuntu_Hardy_Desktop_Virtual_SDK_Image has a .vmdk file but no .vmx file | 07:18 |
| pupnik_ | Maemo_Diablo_Ubuntu_Hardy_Desktop_Virtual_SDK_Image.zip has a .vmdk file but no .vmx file | 07:18 |
| pupnik_ | can't be run in vmplayer | 07:18 |
| pupnik_ | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/documentation.html "However, if you want to use VMWare, you will need a *.vmx file (this file is already attached on virtual images zip files)." | 07:22 |
| pupnik_ | anybody have a working .vmx for the maemo vmware sdk? | 07:23 |
| t_s_o | intel and nokia, hand in hand... | 07:25 |
| GAN800 | sisto, liqbase is a Fremantle star. . . | 07:27 |
| sisto | GAN800: nice! | 07:27 |
| GAN800 | and, of course, since it's a sketch and notetaking application. . . . | 07:29 |
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| sparr | Are there any desktop equivalents of maemo mapper? for caching google maps of an area/route | 09:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | hey | 10:19 |
| timeless_mbp | should i try Ovi Store on my n81? :) | 10:19 |
| * timeless_mbp was reading wp's glowing review | 10:19 | |
| timeless_mbp | (nuclear radiation, stay away) | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: any luck on the upgrade to testing btw | 10:19 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, it seemed to work | 10:20 |
| timeless_mbp | the hildon theme picker stopped crashing :) | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 10:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't wait for the locale picker to appear :) | 10:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | so... | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | when do i get a glibc that supports real apps? :) | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | on mer? :P glibc should be fine | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | glib we're getting 2.20 very soon | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | it just takes quite a recompile once we have it :P | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | well... | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | can we have it sooner? | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | because not being able to use apps sucks | 10:40 |
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| Stskeeps | which apps in question btw? | 10:40 |
| timeless_mbp | how long of a list do you want? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | one example really | 10:41 |
| timeless_mbp | conboy | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | hm, ok | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | but are you trying to drag in extras stuff directly? | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Maemo://Mer://Devel://MaemoCommon/MerDevel_Ubuntu_9.04/armel/libglib2.0-0_2.20.1-mer1_armel.deb , http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Maemo://Mer://Devel://MaemoCommon/MerDevel_Ubuntu_9.04/all/libglib2.0-data_2.20.1-mer1_all.deb | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | would upgrade to glib2.20 (untested) | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | 'directly'? | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, adding maemo.org extras and seeing if it works | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | (is this ARM or x86 btw?) | 10:43 |
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| Stskeeps | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Maemo://Mer://Devel://MaemoCommon/MerDevel_Ubuntu_9.04/i386/libglib2.0-0_2.20.1-mer1_i386.deb for i386 :P | 10:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | x86 :) | 10:45 |
| timeless_mbp | so i need a working web browser? | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | wget | 10:45 |
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| Stskeeps | and dpkg -i it | 10:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | conboy was installed | 10:47 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 10:48 | |
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| timeless_mbp | QuickClip doesn't install on Mer because /home/user doesn't exist | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah - maemoism | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | in other news my touchpad just died. lovely | 10:49 |
| timeless_mbp | ouch | 10:49 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 10:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | i can't install fbreader because libfribidi0 (>= 0.10.4-5) | 10:50 |
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| Stskeeps | is it fremantle extras you're trying to install from? | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | there's a known bug on that | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | what should i use? | 10:51 |
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| X-Fade | fribidi is in the sdk, but not on the device. | 10:51 |
| X-Fade | Or something like that. | 10:51 |
| X-Fade | Which is a bug ;) | 10:51 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't install PackageRate because it needs libapt-pkg-libc6.5-6.4.6 | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: yeah.. libapt-pkg is insane | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | either way, our supported scenario isnt adding fremantle extras for one simple reason: it's built towards armv7 | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | we will mirror fremantle extras source and build in OBS probably | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | (and have new uploads through extras assistant upload to OBS too) | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 10:53 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 10:54 | |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: wanna send mail to mytube's packager? | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | the description says 'an youtube' | 10:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | which is unfortunate because 'you' is not a vowel sound and is thus incompatible with 'an' | 10:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | GAN800: btw, ham in mer's behavior wrt <escape> from a category *sucks* | 10:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | it should take me back to the list with the category i had open selected | 10:55 |
| timeless_mbp | instead it takes me back to the top of the list (all) | 10:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ok, what are you doing about libsdl1.2 ? :) | 10:56 |
| timeless_mbp | and is there a bug about the fact that ham likes to list the same error in problems more than once/ | 10:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | trying to install "Crimson Fields" lists libsdl1.2 twice | 10:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh brother | 10:58 |
| timeless_mbp | someone please remind me to shoot midori | 10:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | totally unusable ui | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | we plan to include Tear, since it seems to work | 10:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | and has error messages that fit on screen / don't require more window title space than on a full sized laptop? | 11:00 |
| timeless_mbp | cool | 11:00 |
| * timeless_mbp tries to remember how to make a repository | 11:01 | |
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| liri | how's the MER project going? | 11:09 |
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| liri | getting an ubuntu distro would solve a lot of issues, for me specifically - the PIM thing with Evolution installed | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | liri: decently - still a way to go | 11:10 |
| liri | Stskeeps: uhh... | 11:10 |
| liri | Stskeeps: my n810 has been gaining dust for months now | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | try it out and see how you feel about it, it's not a perfect product yet;) | 11:11 |
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| v6sa | Hello, can anyone tell me where this wizard puts all the pppd configuration? | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | liri: what features do you need? | 11:20 |
| liri | timeless_mbp: most important are sync for calendar, contacts and nice to have tasks/todo for google services | 11:21 |
| timeless_mbp | no need for a web browser? | 11:22 |
| lbt | liri: me too (but egw not google) | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i take it that you want some form of networking? | 11:22 |
| liri | networking? | 11:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | ability to connect to a network | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | bluetooth, usb, wifi | 11:22 |
| liri | obviously. how would I sync without that? :) | 11:23 |
| timeless_mbp | well, you didn't indicate a need for a web browser :) | 11:23 |
| liri | heh | 11:23 |
| liri | because a web browser hasn't got to do with pim/syncing | 11:23 |
| timeless_mbp | you could sync via usb or bluetooth to your phone | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | without having networking | 11:24 |
| liri | what kind of solution are you offering, I'm not following | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not specifically offering | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm merely trying to understand which things don't matter to you | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | Mer today comes w/ a browser no one would want to use | 11:24 |
| liri | why? | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | since you don't need one, that isn't a liability :) | 11:24 |
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| liri | what browser is it? | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't fingerable | 11:25 |
| liri | ahh | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | Midori | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the strings are disastrous | 11:25 |
| liri | can't it just use what is in the n810 os? | 11:25 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 11:25 | |
| Stskeeps | we wish but that's delayed ;) | 11:25 |
| liri | whats the reason? | 11:25 |
| liri | legal? | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | just not open yet :) we'll know sometime | 11:25 |
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| liri | ahh | 11:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | hey | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: can you try a package for me? :) | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | mm, leave the url to me in msg and i will, - doing some work right now | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | basically: 1. dpkg -i the deb. 2. try using ham to install the package. 3. check the message. 4. verify that uninstalling the deb itself is safe | 11:42 |
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| narkotiko | hi | 11:58 |
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| wazd | hello, maemo, interesting news here | 12:57 |
| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/flash-10-for-smartphone-beta-coming-this-october/ | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | more interesting: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/23/intel-making-important-announcement-today-a-nokia-netbook/ | 13:00 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: hmm, not sure we should read too much into it really | 13:07 |
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| Stskeeps | probably not much but still, there's absolutely nothing interesting about a nokia x86 netbook | 13:08 |
| lardman | wine? | 13:08 |
| * Stskeeps has sworn never to buy a x86 laptop again personally | 13:08 | |
| lardman | and no lcuk I'm not talking to you ;) | 13:08 |
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| lcuk | im not even here and you are dissing me :P | 13:09 |
| lcuk | why no wine | 13:09 |
| lardman | of course, can't stop the dissing | 13:09 |
| * RST38h cackles | 13:10 | |
| lcuk | heh | 13:10 |
| RST38h | hehehe | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: do you know anything about the hardcoding to browserui (what's the name anyway?) in maemo diablo apps? | 13:10 |
| timeless_mbp | you mean beyond dbus? | 13:11 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. the feed reader is aware of the browser | 13:11 |
| timeless_mbp | since it can launch the browser | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | well, people claim that they can't, let's say, switch default browser to tear or fennec and i fail to see how it is | 13:11 |
| timeless_mbp | that's one reason | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | since i would just assume it's a dbus api or something | 13:12 |
| lardman | I read something in New Scientist yesterday (from the start of the month though) about Nokia using wifi triangulation for GPS-indoors | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | well, fennec doesn't offer the browserui dbus service name | 13:12 |
| RST38h | wifi triangulation sucks | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | the same presumably applies for tear | 13:12 |
| RST38h | wifi finerprinting sucks less though | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | ah, so it's matter of implementing browserui dbus service name | 13:12 |
| lardman | the article said it had been done before, but that this would be a service not just for specific places | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: well | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | probably the dbus service name and possibly /usr/bin/browser | 13:12 |
| lardman | RST38h: well it may suck, but better than nothing when inside hey | 13:13 |
| RST38h | on the other hand, nokia may have better access to the hardware so it can get more precise values for triangulation | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't know how the feed reader launches the browser | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | but since both are "well known" items | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | well that's more doable | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | both are relatively "fair game" | 13:13 |
| lardman | RST38h: probably also needs signal strength maps for the buildings, but anything is a step in the right direction | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | there aren't any other ways to legally poke the browser | 13:13 |
| * lardman wonders if it will be part of the location framework :) | 13:13 | |
| timeless_mbp | if you replace both, and have issues, then the thing that's breaking is broken | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | so that's the primary ways of executing browser (dbus and /usr/bin/browser) | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | as in "open in browser" | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | note that neither tear nor fennec should replace /usr/bin/browser | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | because then you couldn't install both fennec and tear safely | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | even with dpkg-divert? :P | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | someone should make a browser-alternatives program | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | is /usr/bin/browser "just" a dbus wrapper/wrapper to browserd, or is it a full browser? | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | and all it should do is deal w/ /usr/bin/browser, the dbus service, and letting you pick the thing | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | it's the ui | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | there are other uis | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. internet tablet tutorial | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | in theory, /usr/bin/browser should work fine as /usr/bin/lame-browser | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | or /usr/bin/microb-browser | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | minus the dbus singleton issues | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | i have no idea how to deal w/ that | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | presumably that's a design flaw in dbus :) | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | mind if i refer to this in the maemo irc logs so some people can get hacking on it? i think it's one of the more wanted "features" at the moment | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | (even for me personally) | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | it's public :) | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:18 |
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| RST38h | lardman: when done with a standard | 13:57 |
| RST38h | sorry, old buffer | 13:57 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12_N810: I just tried to build anyremote on fremantle, but I got an error: | 13:58 |
| jeremiah | http://bit.ly/OlnEF | 13:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | jeremiah: sorry, I don't know nothing about fremantle nor do I have an Fremantle SDK set up | 13:59 |
| jeremiah | ah okay. | 13:59 |
| jeremiah | Nevermind then. :) | 13:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | But the configure isn't completing, hence the Makefile error :) | 14:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | --disable-xtest ? =) | 14:00 |
| jeremiah | Yeah - I may do that. | 14:00 |
| jeremiah | Just wondered if you had encountered the same error before I descend into the rabbit hole. | 14:01 |
| jeremiah | .c | 14:01 |
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| lcuk | jeremiah, leave a message for jeremiah foster on talk.maemo.org, he is really good at fixing package problems :P | 14:06 |
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| lcuk | apt-get install lunch | 14:13 |
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| lardman | RST38h: well if it has the infrastructure it may become defacto | 14:17 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: That guy? No way - what a loser. | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: were you going to debconf btw? i can't recall | 14:18 |
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| lcuk | lardman, in absence of gps communication, we could make use of the pitot tube in the rx-51 (it has everything else..), and use the camera to find landmarks | 14:26 |
| RST38h | lardman: you probably will never get specific infrastructure for in-house triangulation :) | 14:26 |
| RST38h | lardman: on the other hand, Nokia probably has better access to wifi chip registers, I only worked with Prism cards which compute signal strength by Tarot cards | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | i would love UWB positioning in my home | 14:27 |
| RST38h | Sts: RFID seems to be a better choice | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: that's just proximity detection | 14:28 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, if you know the locations of the base stations you can get yourself a pretty damned good location just by finding the roots of each | 14:28 |
| lcuk | rfid can be used for door entry/exit but not for positioning | 14:28 |
| * lcuk wants rfid activated catflap | 14:29 | |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah but UWB positioning is 3cm accuracy :> | 14:29 |
| lcuk | oooh | 14:29 |
| lcuk | nice | 14:29 |
| lardman | lcuk: got to be careful of pitot-tube icing | 14:29 |
| lcuk | yeah but at normal human speeds its not that common | 14:30 |
| lardman | s/speeds/altitudes :) | 14:30 |
| lcuk | i used to run around the house with my dads (from his hang glider) | 14:30 |
| lardman | anyway, we'll see what the location framework brings with it, hopefully very exciting stuff | 14:31 |
| lardman | lol | 14:31 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Yeah, I want to go to debconf - I saw that you bought your ticket already | 14:31 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: When are you going to be there exactly? | 14:31 |
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| lcuk | it only needs to say "indoors at location x,y,z" feasibly | 14:31 |
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| lcuk | i want bluetooth location | 14:31 |
| lcuk | drop dongles everywhere | 14:32 |
| lcuk | we wanted to do it last year | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: 23th - 31th - me and zenvoid are going | 14:32 |
| jeremiah | ah, for a whole week? :) | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | well we have no idea when our BoF would be | 14:32 |
| jeremiah | Let me look at my calendar since I have vacation the last week of July and we will be away. | 14:33 |
| jeremiah | I most likely will show up on the 22nd and go home the 14th. | 14:33 |
| jeremiah | heh, 24th | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | i warn you about the train booking, it's evil | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:34 |
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| jeremiah | Really? Why? In spanish? | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah and at some point it was throwing NullPointerException at us :P | 14:35 |
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| jeremiah | Yeah but NullPointerException is a place in Spain. | 14:40 |
| timeless_mbp | nice | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | wouldn't surprise me | 14:40 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, ping | 15:43 |
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| lcuk | whats the dbus command to turn down the temperature? or is it a /sys branch? | 16:05 |
| * lcuk is baking in manchester | 16:05 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | dbus-send --dest=/the/north/sucks/ | 16:06 |
| ShadowJK | I think you need to do a manual i2c bitbanging on /dev/deity from userspace | 16:06 |
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| pupnik | "no one here gets out of this chroot alive" | 16:10 |
| lcuk | thanks qwerty12_N810, denying your roots again :p | 16:11 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, i tried that | 16:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :P | 16:11 |
| lcuk | but it told me god could not be found | 16:11 |
| lcuk | perhaps i need to try as root | 16:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | What about /dev/voodoo? | 16:12 |
| lcuk | no | 16:12 |
| lcuk | /dev/noodly_appendage was there thou | 16:13 |
| lcuk | should i try that | 16:13 |
| ShadowJK | I think you need to enable faith first, it's in /sys somewhere I think | 16:13 |
| lcuk | err: not enough faith | 16:14 |
| lcuk | how do i increase faith? :S :D | 16:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mknod faith 66 6 | 16:15 |
| ShadowJK | hm, tablet is eating lots of power suddenly | 16:15 |
| ShadowJK | i think bluetooth got stuck | 16:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | stupid gps is stuck here :( | 16:15 |
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| pupnik | tear cut/paste still broken/incomplete | 16:16 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: temp. solution: get gconf-editor and set /apps/osso/gtk/enable-accels to false | 16:17 |
| pupnik | wow | 16:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | prodded bundyo on that issue and he plans to remove the dodgy accels | 16:17 |
| ShadowJK | aha, disconnecting, disabling bluetooth, enabling bluetooth and reconnecting | 16:19 |
| ShadowJK | this dropped power consumption to a third | 16:19 |
| ShadowJK | it'd only idled 4 hours on full battery as it was | 16:20 |
| ShadowJK | now if it stays, it will run xchat with screen on for twice as long | 16:21 |
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| lcuk | ShadowJK, how did you test that in 6 minutes | 16:22 |
| lcuk | you went from problems with power, then found a solution and know how long extra it would last | 16:23 |
| lcuk | can i borrow your tardis? | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | lol :) | 16:23 |
| lcuk | either that or a clone of myself | 16:24 |
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| pupnik | fixed, qwerty12_N810 --- TY! | 16:27 |
| ukki | sup pupnik? | 16:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | np pupnik | 16:27 |
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| pupnik | just laying on the floor, chattin on tablet | 16:28 |
| pupnik | whats with you ukki | 16:28 |
| ukki | sounds way nicer than what i'm doing | 16:28 |
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| ukki | i have to update java applets that were written by someone else like 8 years ago and they have a word que in 2/3 of the variables | 16:29 |
| ukki | so i've been better | 16:30 |
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| pupnik | heh | 16:30 |
| lcuk | ukki, 8 years is miniscule in the life of code :) | 16:30 |
| RST38h | java applets better be killed off | 16:30 |
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| RST38h | if you can track down the Indian guy who wrote them and do the same to him, even better | 16:31 |
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| ShadowJK | lcuk: ftd :) | 16:41 |
| ShadowJK | you can set it to log certain battery/power values. I have a script that follows the ftd log | 16:41 |
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| lcuk | nice | 16:42 |
| ShadowJK | the script gives me average power balance over a minute, an integration of that (which I re-calibrate with data from lshal|grep battery periodically) | 16:43 |
| ShadowJK | if power draw is known, divide battery capacity with draw to get endurance ;) | 16:43 |
| ShadowJK | but anyway... the tablet was getting warm doing fuck all. that's all the tardis one needs | 16:44 |
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| * lardman feels like he might melt | 16:52 | |
| lcuk | into the frying pan? | 16:54 |
| * lcuk gets the bacon ready | 16:54 | |
| lardman | nah, just power walked up the hill and found my office rather warm to heat soak in | 16:55 |
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| lcuk | ewwww lardman, it was gettin too warm over here too, but then the heavens opened and udmped about 2gazillian inches of rain in under 5 minutes | 17:00 |
| lcuk | its nice and cool now | 17:00 |
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| lardman | nice and cool and 100% humidity | 17:05 |
| RST38h | Hmmm... the Collider is still winning | 17:05 |
| lardman | it rained here this morning, so has been pretty humid all day | 17:05 |
| RST38h | God is losing big | 17:05 |
| * lardman needs a new mobile | 17:06 | |
| aquatix | lardman: Palm Pre? Samsung i7500? | 17:06 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Nokia 3310? | 17:06 |
| RST38h | RAZR? | 17:07 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: I'd rather take the 3310 :) | 17:07 |
| aquatix | or wait for the n900 | 17:07 |
| RST38h | qwerty: True, because 3310 is breakable but there is no way to get rid of a RAZR | 17:07 |
| lardman | I've got a 6300 which has poor sw | 17:07 |
| RST38h | lardman: realistically, 5800 or it smaller cousin | 17:08 |
| * lardman looks at phone prices in the uk | 17:08 | |
| lcuk | you buyin me one as well :p | 17:08 |
| lcuk | you missed a trick lardman, when you were on the council you couldv added a decree about all former council members should be supplied with top of the range nokia mobiles for life in honous of the services performed | 17:09 |
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| lardman | no, I think we added that one actually | 17:10 |
| lardman | with a convenant that it should not be disclosed to the rest of you | 17:10 |
| lardman | oh damn! | 17:10 |
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| lardman | hmm, sim only for £15pm - 600 anytime minutes and unlimited texts | 17:11 |
| lcuk | ooops :P what was the punishment for disclosure? you have to take over actually buying the mobiles for those who didnt bragg about it :P | 17:11 |
| lardman | I don't need that much though! | 17:11 |
| lcuk | you will do | 17:11 |
| lardman | no chance | 17:11 |
| lcuk | heh, get the contract and make damned sure you use all up | 17:12 |
| lardman | give me 200min + 50 texts for £5pm and I'll be happy | 17:12 |
| lcuk | you could do irc over sms | 17:12 |
| lcuk | or *shock* twitter | 17:12 |
| lcuk | "im on the bog" | 17:13 |
| lardman | sod that | 17:13 |
| lcuk | "@holly, can you pass me loo roll" | 17:13 |
| lardman | "im using up another of my limitless texts" | 17:13 |
| lardman | perhaps I could sell them | 17:13 |
| lcuk | there ya go, you are gettin the hang of it | 17:13 |
| lardman | wander around town offering to text people for 5p/text | 17:13 |
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| lcuk | "you comin down to the pub - sponsored by calsberg" | 17:13 |
| lcuk | r | 17:14 |
| lcuk | (cheap knock off) | 17:14 |
| lardman | I could become an sms spam person | 17:14 |
| * aquatix would hate you | 17:14 | |
| lcuk | why not, you do enough of it in irc :P | 17:14 |
| lardman | I've not tried to sell you viagra have I? | 17:14 |
| lardman | I'll add you to the list | 17:14 |
| lcuk | no, you keep them all to yourself, btw have you actually got any left | 17:15 |
| lcuk | and has it returned to normal since? | 17:15 |
| lardman | are they the red ones with little smiley faces on them? | 17:15 |
| aquatix | lardman: i prefer that other brand | 17:15 |
| lcuk | i dunno but now we know why holly was smiling in berlin :p | 17:16 |
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| lardman | lol | 17:16 |
| wazd | http://i059.radikal.ru/0906/60/59d8bc4dfd27.jpg <- for those nerds with 100+ connections) | 17:16 |
| X-Fade | wazd: How would one scroll to the next page? | 17:17 |
| lardman | scroll bar at the bottom? | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Not finger friendly. | 17:17 |
| lcuk | use accelerometer in device and reorient yourself :D | 17:17 |
| lardman | ah | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: it lacks kinetic scrolling ;p | 17:17 |
| lardman | don't these dialogs support dragging? | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | Needs next and and previous buttons or somthing like that? | 17:17 |
| lcuk | like an aliens radar pinger | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | Ah true.. | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | Could be.. | 17:17 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, you can do kinetic with scrollbar, or make it panable, or whatever) | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:18 |
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| lcuk | its a mockup isnt it - to get to the next screen you email wazd, tell him the wifi zones you expect to see and wait for a response | 17:19 |
| lcuk | its instant | 17:19 |
| lcuk | it would be expected to be hand pannable tho | 17:19 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, didnt ecoach sampppa use a pannable in his app at copenhagen | 17:20 |
| lcuk | and it works nicely | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Yeah, I think so. | 17:20 |
| lcuk | especially for a button list like the net manager shows | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | Keep forgetting the panning as we don't have that atm :) | 17:20 |
| lcuk | yeah he had it between his stats screen and the graph of results | 17:21 |
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| lcuk | wazd, are there really that many open wifi spots near you? | 17:22 |
| lcuk | theres only 2 other spots near me and both are closed tighter than a nuns habit in the rain | 17:23 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, this is manager, it manages all your saved connections) | 17:24 |
| * lardman tries to see the relationship between nans, habits and rain | 17:24 | |
| lardman | nuns even | 17:24 |
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| lcuk | i was gonna use an expletive :) | 17:27 |
| lcuk | but then i remembered where i am | 17:27 |
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| lardman | and you decided to use two instead...? | 17:29 |
| lardman | :) | 17:29 |
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| lardman | VDVsx: ping | 17:35 |
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| VDVsx | lardman, pong | 17:35 |
| lardman | Anyone know if Amazon web service is any use? | 17:36 |
| lardman | hey VDVsx | 17:36 |
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| omicron23 | hi there. I am using the IM client pidgin on OS2008. I can no longer connect to icq because my client version is "too old" . Is there a newer version available than the version from maemo.org? | 17:36 |
| lardman | I was going to ask whether pyamazon had been considered rather than writing from scratch (not that it's much anyway) | 17:36 |
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| lardman | s/much/much work | 17:37 |
| lardman | VDVsx: I see Yahoo support was added today | 17:38 |
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| VDVsx | lardman, this is just simple tests atm | 17:38 |
| VDVsx | lardman, but pyamazon is a good suggestion, probably :) | 17:39 |
| lardman | actually pyaws is more up-to-date | 17:39 |
| lardman | I was going to take a look at that | 17:39 |
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| lardman | VDVsx: is zbar in extras-dev? | 17:44 |
| VDVsx | nop | 17:44 |
| lardman | compile it myself the | 17:44 |
| lardman | then] | 17:44 |
| lardman | aargh | 17:44 |
| VDVsx | lardman, I have to do a package, if someone don't do it earlier :) | 17:45 |
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| lardman | :) | 17:45 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810..... ;) | 17:45 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 17:45 |
| lardman | that has loads of deps, did you strip some out of it? | 17:45 |
| VDVsx | lardman, according to amit pyamazon don't search by ean codes, that was the reason for write the code in the svn | 17:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: sorry, Stskeeps has me doing a tear one | 17:46 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: np | 17:46 |
| VDVsx | lardman, yes QT and imagemagick++ | 17:46 |
| lardman | are they available somewhere? | 17:46 |
| VDVsx | lardman, but with imagemagick++ works better IMO | 17:46 |
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| lardman | how hard is it to write a python wrapper for a C function? | 17:48 |
| lardman | I might just wrap the existing barcode stuff and save all those deps | 17:48 |
| VDVsx | lardman, which ones ? I only had to pull the imagemagick++ package, the rest is available on maemo | 17:48 |
| VDVsx | lardman, easy | 17:48 |
| lardman | cool | 17:49 |
| lardman | I don;t want Qt or Imagemagik | 17:49 |
| VDVsx | lardman, I can point you to a simple example | 17:49 |
| lardman | ok, I'll have a look this evening when I'm back home | 17:49 |
| lardman | thanks | 17:49 |
| VDVsx | lardman, np, :) | 17:49 |
| VDVsx | lardman, your code works really well in the device, apart from the GUI part :P | 17:51 |
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| lardman | yeah the gui is very odd | 17:51 |
| lardman | I don;t know what's wrong with it at all | 17:51 |
| lardman | it also sucks cpu, pegs it at 100% when it's running, which isn't idea; | 17:51 |
| lardman | s/idea;/ideal | 17:51 |
| VDVsx | lardman, did you used multiple gstreamer pipelines ? | 17:52 |
| lardman | the gui sucks for sure, but the fact that the camera output vanishes is really annoying | 17:52 |
| lardman | no, just the one I think | 17:53 |
| lardman | I tried with a single one, with multiple, all sorts | 17:53 |
| lardman | still the same | 17:53 |
| lardman | bbiam, have to grab a lift - give me 10min and we'll continue | 17:53 |
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| VDVsx | we had the same problem, but now is resolved :P | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | wazd: i think scrolling top down instead of left right is better, but user testing wins :) | 17:54 |
| timeless_mbp | wazd: scrolling left/right ends up spending a huge amount of time not making useful progress since you basically see 90%, 80%, 70%, 60%, 50%, .. of the same content | 17:55 |
| timeless_mbp | whereas scrolling up/down immediately shows you 20% new content | 17:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | wazd: btw, where can i get that theme? | 17:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | (actually i should have written 95%, 90, 85, 80, ...) | 17:56 |
| lcuk | timeless, i dont like side to side scroll because its easier to misclick | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, peter@marketing: "I didn't make the Latin alphabet. " ;) | 18:02 |
| timeless_mbp | url? | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=298979&postcount=15 | 18:03 |
| Luke-Jr_ | I don't like the Latin alphabet. | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | are you a commie? | 18:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The Latin alphabet doesn't like you either | 18:03 |
| Luke-Jr_ | no | 18:03 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | more like a monarchist | 18:04 |
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| wazd | lcuk: I don't like side scrolling cause I don't like sides :) | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | i really should get rid of my xfishtank progress screen.. | 18:06 |
| Luke-Jr_ | I need to start being more negative about Nokia | 18:07 |
| Luke-Jr_ | apparently someone needs to wake them up | 18:07 |
| wazd | timeless_mbp: well, to my mind side scrolling is pretty good for scrolling huge arranged lists | 18:07 |
| lcuk | what do you mean sides? | 18:07 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Stskeeps: want to review before I post? :P | 18:08 |
| Luke-Jr_ | "Ouch. x86 sucks. Hopefully some other company can provide us with the next generation of handhelds (SmartQ with a keyboard⁇)…" | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr_: as long as you don't claim to be speaking on behalf of Mer or something, sure.. :P | 18:08 |
| Luke-Jr_ | ok | 18:08 |
| lcuk | nothing wrong with x86 | 18:08 |
| Luke-Jr_ | lcuk: except everything | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | x86 laptops are going to be a populace regulator, as it kills potential offspring | 18:09 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | I now know MIPS and ARM bytecode. I like those. :þ | 18:09 |
| lcuk | you are sounding like its some new thing, we have had x86 around us most of our lives | 18:09 |
| Luke-Jr_ | MIPS assembly is decent too | 18:09 |
| lcuk | do you code in asm? | 18:09 |
| lcuk | often | 18:09 |
| Luke-Jr_ | lcuk: I decompile. | 18:10 |
| lcuk | is it possible to decompile x86? | 18:10 |
| Luke-Jr_ | no idea, never tried | 18:10 |
| lcuk | im surei n the last few years SOMEONE mustv written a decompiler for x86 ;) | 18:10 |
| Luke-Jr_ | in theory, it's possible to decompile anything | 18:10 |
| wazd | lcuk: what do you mean "missclick"?) | 18:10 |
| lcuk | wazd, because of the expected gesture and motion a left to right wipe is more clumsy than the expected up down movement | 18:11 |
| Luke-Jr_ | lcuk: but do note I said "bytecode". I don't care much for ARM assembly. :þ | 18:11 |
| lcuk | and leads to your swipe being read as a click | 18:11 |
| Luke-Jr_ | I can understand the bytecode much better. | 18:11 |
| lcuk | so why do you care so much against x86? | 18:11 |
| timeless_mbp | wazd: well... | 18:11 |
| wazd | lcuk: you have any statistics to prove that?) | 18:11 |
| Luke-Jr_ | lcuk: x86 is so bad, nothing *really* implements it anymore | 18:11 |
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| Stskeeps | mhm | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | wazd: for one, Apple disagrees :) | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1324456 | 18:12 |
| Luke-Jr_ | lcuk: all modern "x86" processors are really some obscure RISC with an emulator on top | 18:12 |
| lcuk | i have a duffed up n810 that i have spent the last 16 months coding for and testing specifically how to scroll and move | 18:12 |
| lcuk | so, yeah i do | 18:12 |
| lcuk | on a perfect screen maybe | 18:12 |
| lcuk | but once the gloss wears off.. | 18:12 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Stskeeps: yeah, that's what I was responding too | 18:12 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, event less reason to rage then | 18:12 |
| wazd | lcuk: you probably mean one handed use | 18:13 |
| Luke-Jr_ | lcuk: if I could use the underlying RISC directly, I wouldn't be annoyed by it :þ | 18:13 |
| lcuk | wazd i mean USE | 18:13 |
| Luke-Jr_ | or at least not as much | 18:13 |
| lcuk | one or two handed doesnt matter, its the fact side swipes are less precise than updown | 18:13 |
| wazd | lcuk: Well, I haven't got any problems with scrolling from left to right of from top to bottom | 18:13 |
| lcuk | what device do you do side-side testing on? | 18:14 |
| lcuk | and what apps? | 18:14 |
| * lcuk would like to test | 18:14 | |
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| lardman | sorry, long 10min | 18:15 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: it's still a performance issue and patch is there and works for us, - misaligned access causes performance problems :) but for us, we just want it to go into upstream as we actually genuinely fixed a problem :P | 18:17 |
| lcuk | wazd, the map in liqbase allows full side toside, play for a while and see whether its as responsive as doing updown | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: re 4023 | 18:17 |
| wazd | lcuk: I can just scroll the browser around | 18:18 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, yeah. and i sometimes wonder why it's so hard to integrate a trivial 3 liner... | 18:18 |
| lcuk | most webpages are geared for updown | 18:18 |
| lcuk | its not a real test is it | 18:18 |
| lardman | ~curse Word-art | 18:19 |
| lcuk | ~lart lardman | 18:20 |
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| * lcuk doesnt know what lart means tho | 18:20 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | ~help lart | 18:21 |
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| lardman | ~lart infobot | 18:21 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Desc: Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool | 18:21 |
| lardman | lol | 18:21 |
| wazd | lcuk: I mean, I can rotate the screen)) | 18:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: good job you didn't give it your viagra | 18:22 |
| derf | LART is a StrongARM board with 32 MB RAM and 4 MB ROM, with 250 MIPS in under 1 W. | 18:22 |
| lardman | I thought it was talking about stabbing with a chopstick or knife actually.... | 18:22 |
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| lcuk | wazd, a quick test and tick of a box does not confirm much. thats not usability testing really ;) | 18:22 |
| lardman | hey derf | 18:23 |
| derf | Hey lardman. | 18:23 |
| derf | What's new in maemo-bardcode land? | 18:23 |
| lardman | nothing yet | 18:23 |
| derf | How did your QR code scavenger hunt go? | 18:23 |
| lardman | but I'm going to start doing some hacking this evening | 18:23 |
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| wazd | lcuk: I'll try to scroll 100 times and cont how may will fail | 18:23 |
| lardman | I started thinking about it, but was really busy before the wedding | 18:23 |
| wazd | lcuk: sounds like a test for me | 18:23 |
| derf | Yeah, if you're not really busy before your wedding, you're doing it wrong. | 18:24 |
| lardman | anyway I thought I might add a python wrapper for batoo and for your QR code decoder and do some python hacking | 18:25 |
| lcuk | wazd, nokia have mechanical testing facilities, thats not whats being said. it doesnt matter really tho, whichever way its laid out it should be feasible to just be flipped orientation wise by the dev | 18:26 |
| lcuk | so if it proves unreliable in realworld it can be changed | 18:27 |
| lardman | derf: might get some people writing some apps more quickly that way | 18:27 |
| lardman | and the ui stuff is less of a pita than the wonders of GTK+ in C | 18:27 |
| lardman | afair | 18:27 |
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| derf | Well, I am no fan of Python on an embedded device, but something is better than nothing. | 18:30 |
| derf | I still need to add some DoCoMo tag parsing at some point. | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | python-launcher helps a bit :P | 18:31 |
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| lardman | derf: yes, I had a quick look at the stuff on their website | 18:32 |
| derf | I mean, it's not much work, I just have to figure out what I want the API to look like, mostly. | 18:32 |
| guysoft422 | Hey, is it possible to rotate pose's (palmos emulstor) screen? | 18:32 |
| guysoft422 | emulator* | 18:32 |
| lardman | derf: you plan to add it to the C code? | 18:33 |
| lardman | I was thinking more of letting someone write their own in python | 18:33 |
| derf | Well, it'd probably be less code in Python. | 18:33 |
| lardman | some advantages ;) | 18:33 |
| k_ | Hi, i have question about irssi for n810 os2008 is allowed somewhere or i can download for that tablet? | 18:33 |
| derf | You only have to load 20 MB of shared libraries or whatever it is to use it! | 18:34 |
| lardman | yeah, but other people are already using it, so it should hopefully be free | 18:34 |
| lardman | I do agree with you though about it being a bit distasteful | 18:34 |
| lardman | but it would be nice to get somehting up and running, then convert it to C for the sake of speed/memory efficiency | 18:35 |
| derf | Right. | 18:35 |
| derf | One step at a time. | 18:35 |
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| derf | It would also be nice to get support for more formats in a more integrated library. | 18:35 |
| derf | But I am unlikely to have that kind of time for the forseeable future. | 18:36 |
| lardman | same here | 18:36 |
| lardman | zbar looks like it does a variety of 1D and even stacked 1D I think | 18:36 |
| derf | zbar? | 18:36 |
| k_ | Anyone can help me? from where i can download irssi for n810? | 18:36 |
| GAN800 | Intel . . . ugh | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: at least they are going to cooperate in some good areas | 18:36 |
| * Stskeeps welcomes the move | 18:36 | |
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| lardman | derf: http://zbar.sourceforge.net/ | 18:37 |
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| lardman | GAN800: has it been officially announced? | 18:37 |
| lardman | derf: ah no, just 1D, not stacked stuff | 18:37 |
| derf | Well, even "a variety of 1D" is useful. | 18:38 |
| lardman | yes true | 18:38 |
| GAN800 | lardman, see Stskeep's press release. | 18:38 |
| lardman | I'll have to see about cutting away the Qt and ImageMagick+ deps | 18:38 |
| GAN800 | s/'s/s'/ | 18:38 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: lardman, see Stskeeps' press release. | 18:38 |
| lardman | GAN800: yeah saw that | 18:38 |
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| derf | Mmm, "small, layered, ... implemented in C". | 18:38 |
| derf | I like it already. | 18:38 |
| lardman | :) | 18:38 |
| RST38h | moo all | 18:39 |
| * GAN800 is less and less interested in what Nokia has to offer. | 18:39 | |
| derf | Maybe I should work with them to get the qrcode stuff in their library. | 18:40 |
| derf | That's probably a better place for it, long term. | 18:40 |
| GAN800 | x86 means one thing: Windows | 18:40 |
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| wazd | RST38h: heya | 18:40 |
| lardman | derf: they seem to just be 1D though | 18:40 |
| Pavlov | windows ce for all! | 18:40 |
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| lardman | derf: I think the applications of 1D/stacked 1D and 2D are so different that people are not overly interested in combining them | 18:41 |
| derf | lardman: Yes, but the "linear scanner" stage is exactly equivalent to the first step of QR code decoding (i.e., used to locate the finder patterns). | 18:41 |
| VDVsx | lardman, http://code.google.com/p/zxing/wiki/InterestingLinks | 18:42 |
| lardman | ok | 18:42 |
| derf | So I think it may be a better fit than you'd first suspect. | 18:42 |
| wazd | everyone was so excited with horizontal scrolling, but noone noticed that bluetooth tab looks like activated button, and this is huge confusing mistake | 18:42 |
| lardman | yeah, they have managed to do some good there VDVsx | 18:42 |
| GAN800 | and Windows means it's just more 'me too' BS. | 18:42 |
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| derf | lardman: And they say the play to do PDF-417 eventually, too. | 18:42 |
| lardman | oh right, I didn't read that far | 18:43 |
| lardman | well in that case why not | 18:43 |
| derf | I'll mail them about it. | 18:43 |
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| VDVsx | lardman, you have some QR code libs written in C in the link above | 18:44 |
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| lardman | though I'll still wrap the existing code, unless you fancy doing it yourself | 18:44 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://s40.radikal.ru/i090/0906/ee/de0d9b66598f.jpg <- what do you think bout horizontal scrolling?) | 18:44 |
| wazd | GAN800: and you ofcourse :) | 18:44 |
| RST38h | GAN: You got the arrow wrong. | 18:44 |
| RST38h | wazd: I think you should remove the border and probably the scrollbar too | 18:45 |
| RST38h | wazd: Just do it iPod style, but in three columns | 18:45 |
| lardman | VDVsx: there was only one in C iirc, and derf didn't much like it so wrote his own | 18:45 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I don't know the style of the iPod) | 18:45 |
| RST38h | GAN: Windows->x86, but x86 not -> Windows | 18:45 |
| RST38h | wazd: The first iPods came out with basically a single-column version of the NeXT browser | 18:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: I.e. it shows a plain column of items, you select one, it scrolls right-to-left revealing the next column of items | 18:46 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh | 18:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: No need to invent anything on top of this, other than having 3 columns of course :) (just like the original NeXT browser) | 18:47 |
| wazd | RST38h: I think that vertical scrolling with 2 rows is a bit confusing | 18:47 |
| wazd | RST38h: 3 rows is super confusing :) | 18:48 |
| RST38h | wazd: easy to fix | 18:48 |
| RST38h | wazd: make vertical dividers a bit thicker, add title to each column, make each column scroll separately | 18:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: I think you've missed the idea, it's single list :) | 18:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: not 3 separated | 18:49 |
| RST38h | wazd: ah, so it has just got so many items? | 18:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep | 18:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: and it scrolls horizontaly | 18:49 |
| RST38h | wazd: that makes things different =) | 18:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: in this case, I would probably remove all separators | 18:50 |
| VDVsx | Ari is back o_0 : http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2009/06/collaboration-upstream-intel-and-others.html | 18:51 |
| RST38h | wazd: although it would look more boring | 18:51 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Oh, good, so I do not need to keep this confidential any longer | 18:52 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, lol | 18:52 |
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| GAN800 | RST38h, there's no other reason that would justify it. | 18:57 |
| GAN800 | and since it is, they're going to have to suppport it. | 18:57 |
| RST38h | GAN: Will better computational performance justify it for you? | 18:58 |
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| RST38h | As in "MicroB no longer hangs on Slashdot"? | 18:58 |
| RST38h | Or "keyboard input does not lag, even in AbiWord"? | 18:59 |
| wazd | I was thinking, maybe remove that main window borders and make all this stuff to fill whole space? | 18:59 |
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| RST38h | wazd: yep | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | oh please make connman less messed up :P | 18:59 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, not at the expense of reasonable battery life. | 19:00 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: what do you think bout latest stuff btw? | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: url? | 19:00 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: http://s40.radikal.ru/i090/0906/ee/de0d9b66598f.jpg | 19:00 |
| GAN800 | Besides, what the hell kind of use is it to compare stuff from 2007 to current? :rolleyes: | 19:00 |
| RST38h | GAN: What if it ALSO has decent battery life? | 19:00 |
| * GAN800 really doesn't care to have a discussion about Intel with an employee. | 19:01 | |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: this pops out of the selection menu? :P | 19:01 |
| * RST38h is not trying to sell GAN anything just asking | 19:01 | |
| RST38h | testing what boundary conditions are | 19:01 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: sort of :) | 19:02 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: thats not the statusbar applet pop up) | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: ok | 19:02 |
| wazd | gtg, bbl, kthxbye, roflmao :) | 19:03 |
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| GAN800 | Maemo is just one long sigh for me these days. | 19:04 |
| GAN800 | I need hardware or I need something that doesn't put me in a bad mood every time I read my email. | 19:05 |
| * qwerty12_N810 has faith in the hardware but not in the software | 19:05 | |
| wazd | GAN800: http://s40.radikal.ru/i090/0906/ee/de0d9b66598f.jpg <- check it out :) | 19:05 |
| lcuk | GAN800, what if arm licensed a decent x86 that didnt effect battery consumption but gave even more horsepower | 19:05 |
| lcuk | errr ti i mean | 19:06 |
| wazd | GAN800: and tell me what's awful in it) | 19:06 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, that's something that doesn't exist | 19:06 |
| GAN800 | ARM is always going to offer better battery life | 19:06 |
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| lcuk | wazd, i actually really like it, the style is incredible, mer is coming along a treat. and most people wont have that many anyway so scroll discussion can wait | 19:07 |
| wazd | GAN800: and yes, stop ignoring me :P | 19:07 |
| RST38h | GAN: Possible but at the moment I would not bet on it | 19:07 |
| GAN800 | Horizontal scrolling and grids are not things I enjoy. | 19:07 |
| lcuk | GAN800, thats not to say its not feasible | 19:07 |
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| lcuk | lots of folks WOULD like to dualboot into windows on their handhelds | 19:08 |
| * RST38h wouldn't though | 19:08 | |
| GAN800 | Lots of folks aint me. | 19:08 |
| GAN800 | x86 doesn't bring me any benefits that ARM doesn't offer. | 19:08 |
| lcuk | then make a writeup about what your nervana is :) really | 19:08 |
| GAN800 | Especially not at the price those benefits would bring. | 19:08 |
| lcuk | lead instead of moan :P | 19:09 |
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| GAN800 | oh fuck off | 19:09 |
| guysoft422 | hi, ill ask again: is there a way to rotate the window of the pose emulator? | 19:10 |
| johnsq | guysoft422: rotate it in the emulator | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, pong? | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? | 19:11 |
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| guysoft422 | johnsq, how?? | 19:11 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, hello. how's your tablet progress? :) | 19:11 |
| guysoft422 | johnsq, i see no button | 19:11 |
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| johnsq | guysoft422: depends on the emulator. when not build it add it. | 19:12 |
| guysoft422 | johnsq, pose build 3.5, not sure who compiled it | 19:13 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: fine. improved my page, playing with infrared. | 19:13 |
| guysoft422 | joelmaher_, what do you use? | 19:13 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, for your consideration: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Brucedavenport | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | WTF | 19:14 |
| johnsq | guysoft422: sorry don't know, than you can try the x11 rotation, with xrender, search on maemo.org how to install. | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I know a Bruce Davenport. | 19:14 |
| murrayc | Stskeeps: Does this make sense to you? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4730 | 19:14 |
| murrayc | Stskeeps: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4729 is annoying too. | 19:14 |
| johnsq | s/xrender/xrandr | 19:14 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, if you need help moderating the wiki, count on me, I usually watch the recent changes page :) | 19:14 |
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| guysoft422 | johnsq, it seems an overkill, the processor is already having a hard time | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, done. | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | murrayc: the SVN isn't the latest HIM as far as i know | 19:15 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, argh, do I have another hour? | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | (re 4730) | 19:15 |
| andre__ | right now into some backup bugs testing | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, I need to go to the autoparts store, so, sure. | 19:16 |
| murrayc | Stskeeps: Yeah, I guess so. That might explain both bugs. | 19:16 |
| andre__ | cool | 19:16 |
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| slonopotamus | johnsq, i lost link somewhere... :( | 19:16 |
| johnsq | guysoft422: try it, the xrandr is very lowlevel, depends on the code, if it have any speed impacts. | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | murrayc: yeah - over 12 months old | 19:16 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: http://goron.de/~johns/n810 | 19:17 |
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| murrayc | andre__: The "Input Method Framework" (e.g. bug 4730) has an individual as the default assignee. Shouldn't there be an alias so that more people can watch the bugs. Actually I don't know if there are aliases for anything in bugs.maemo.org. | 19:17 |
| andre__ | murrayc, people are expected to watch the qa contact | 19:18 |
| andre__ | not the assignee | 19:18 |
| andre__ | and the qa contacts are unique | 19:18 |
| murrayc | andre__: Oh, right. Thanks. It's fine then. | 19:18 |
| andre__ | hmm, so 4729 and 4730 are probably fixed but not for the public because svn code is ancient? | 19:19 |
| murrayc | andre__: I guess that Richard Sun should be watching input-method-framework-bugs@maemo.bugs too. | 19:19 |
| murrayc | andre__: We don't know for sure. I asked in the bug. | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: latest version is in fremantle beta sdk, i just checked timestamp of SVN, 12 months old :P | 19:19 |
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| andre__ | gnarf | 19:19 |
| murrayc | Stskeeps: Are you sure that the version in the beta SDK is newer? | 19:19 |
| andre__ | if you're sure, please add a comment to the two repotrs | 19:20 |
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| Stskeeps | murrayc: 2.0.4 in SVN, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0beta/free/h/hildon-input-method/ says 2.1.16 | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:20 |
| murrayc | Harumph. | 19:21 |
| andre__ | sigh. nokia. | 19:21 |
| murrayc | Secret then public then secret. | 19:21 |
| lbt | Qt is in gitorious :) | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | murrayc: ah, it was public from prealpha1, but not publically developed :P | 19:21 |
| lbt | kick them harder to follow that example | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | (as far as i remember it) | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, done, by the way. | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Feel free to delete. | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | and ban | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did we ever get the promised finger keyboard example? | 19:22 |
| murrayc | Stskeeps: You mean that the source tarball is out there, but not the svn? | 19:22 |
| murrayc | GeneralAntilles: That's what I'm working on, slowly. | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | murrayc: aye | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | (url above) | 19:23 |
| VDVsx | GAN800, ok thanks | 19:23 |
| * murrayc tries to guess where the tarball is. | 19:24 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: nada | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | murrayc: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0beta/free/h/hildon-input-method/ and http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0beta/free/h/hildon-input-method-framework/ | 19:25 |
| murrayc | Oh, yeah, it's right next to the .deb. Sorry. | 19:25 |
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| guysoft422 | johnsq, nevermind. granet emulator is much faster | 19:39 |
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| derf | lardman: There were none written in C when I wrote mine. There was one in C++, and a port of that to Objective C, and one in Java, none of which are the same. | 19:40 |
| johnsq | guysoft422: and no need to rotate extra for this application | 19:40 |
| pupnik | i built the first pose guysoft422 . for your trivial pursuit score. | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | dear god on the hypocracy of the nokia-siemens and iran stuff.. | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | (it made it to danish newspapers now) | 19:43 |
| Luke-Jr_ | wtf? | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | that they sold interception and monitoring software/hardware to iran | 19:43 |
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| johnsq | nokia helped with censorship | 19:44 |
| Luke-Jr_ | this is a problem? | 19:44 |
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| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr_: while not looking at what their own countries are doing, people are really upset about it | 19:44 |
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| Stskeeps | and fact is, it's not the interception you need to look at, that's simple, it's the really scary shit that's possible given sufficient computing power :> | 19:45 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | johnsq: authorities have legitimate power to censor. | 19:45 |
| johnsq | they can sell the same stuff in germany, we also get good censorship | 19:45 |
| Luke-Jr_ | and from the little said here, it sounds more like it's self defense | 19:45 |
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| Stskeeps | but making nokia the bad guy is like blaming tcpdump author for the atrocities done with it.. | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:46 |
| Luke-Jr_ | I'm not really sure what "atrocities" Iran is responsible for that makes it any different from any other nation. | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | none, at all | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | but press / idiots spin it like it's something terrible nokia-siemens did :P | 19:47 |
| Luke-Jr_ | well, it's not just Nokia.. | 19:48 |
| Luke-Jr_ | ESR seems to think there's some reason to rebel there | 19:48 |
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| VDVsx | derf, there is one now: http://megaui.net/fukuchi/works/qrencode/index.en.html | 19:50 |
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| lardman | derf: sorry, hazy memory :) | 19:58 |
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| lardman | lcuk: wine now, the real stuff | 20:00 |
| lardman | :) | 20:00 |
| derf | VDVsx: You linked to an encoder, not a decoder. | 20:00 |
| lardman | derf: interestingly I can't find the batoo c source that we're using in maemo-barcode anymore | 20:00 |
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| derf | But I think I know the one you're talking about, and I've tried it, and not only does it depend on OpenCV and use tons of floating point, but it's not very robust. | 20:00 |
| lardman | thankfully we imported the c file and header | 20:00 |
| derf | lardman: :) | 20:00 |
| Luke-Jr_ | that is *one* advantage to GPL | 20:01 |
| Luke-Jr_ | virtually impossible to lose the code | 20:01 |
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| suihkulokki | GPL - free as free geographically distributed backups | 20:02 |
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| lardman | this was just a conversion the author did, but it wasn't used in any binary | 20:02 |
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| VDVsx | derf, ups, sorry | 20:03 |
| lardman | though I'm sure it's scudding around in someone's "Random source codes I might want to use one day" directory ;) | 20:03 |
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| VDVsx | lardman, yah, batoo is now listed as a java app: BaToo Java/J2ME 1D reader :( | 20:06 |
| lardman | well you can grab the batoo.c file from the maemo-barcode svn if you want | 20:06 |
| lardman | :) | 20:06 |
| lardman | it was always Java, with some Symbian C++ code too, and just happened to have a C port at the time | 20:07 |
| lardman | tbh I can't find a link for any source on that site now, despite it all being GPL | 20:07 |
| VDVsx | lardman, by the same authors ? | 20:07 |
| VDVsx | the c code | 20:07 |
| lardman | yep | 20:08 |
| VDVsx | strange | 20:08 |
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| lcuk | archive.rgo | 20:09 |
| lcuk | archive.org even | 20:09 |
| lardman | it may still be there hidden away on the source download page wherever that is now | 20:09 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah, I've also got a tarball somewhere on my machines | 20:10 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: more bugs for you :) | 20:10 |
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| lcuk | bitrot is the cause of lots of heartache | 20:11 |
| lardman | true, but the code works and the standard is very very old so won't be chaning | 20:11 |
| lardman | changing | 20:11 |
| lcuk | deffo | 20:12 |
| lcuk | i really like the idea of taking a 5mp photo of a load of things and identifying all barcodes present | 20:12 |
| lcuk | :$ | 20:12 |
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| lardman | me too, and now I also have some time to get stuff done : | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apple loser wont call me back. | 20:15 |
| lardman | you still not got your machine sorted out? | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | The case has rust all over it. | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it was "repaired" | 20:15 |
| lardman | tut tut, having a processor that requires water cooling ;) | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, if I can get a new machine out of it I'd say it was a pretty good purchase. ;) | 20:16 |
| lardman | :) | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | My time is relatively inexpensive next to the cost of a new Mac Pro. | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, off to the autoparts store to bludgeon my hateful Camry into submission. | 20:16 |
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| lardman | lol | 20:17 |
| lardman | good luck | 20:17 |
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| derf | lardman: Anyway, I've mailed the zbar developer. | 20:18 |
| derf | We'll see what he says. | 20:18 |
| lardman | cool | 20:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bleh, guy's on a training seminar. Talking to somebody else. | 20:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? | 20:54 |
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| lopz | hi ;) | 21:14 |
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| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, cleaning up my stuff right now and resetting testzilla | 21:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: so, the local apple like store replaced the ram on my mbp | 21:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | so,... anyone here familiar w/ vpnc? | 21:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm.... how does one actually use vpnc? | 21:31 |
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| * timeless_mbp cries | 21:32 | |
| timeless_mbp | so um... | 21:32 |
| timeless_mbp | NM so doesn't work for VPN stuff on Mer | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | is the -vpnc module installed? | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | okay, virtualbox can pull a bit more i/o than i anticipated | 21:34 |
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| Stskeeps | 30mb/s | 21:34 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: you need some tuition on lump-hammer weilding? ;) | 21:34 |
| timeless_mbp | what -vpnc thing? | 21:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i have 'vpnc' installed | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | there's a network-manager-vpnc thing .. sec | 21:35 |
| timeless_mbp | well, there is a vpn tab in nm | 21:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | which so doesn't fit in 800x480 | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get install network-manager-vpnc | 21:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, worst part about warranty repairs is that it's all stuff I could do myself. | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, fog lights keep blowing the fuse | 21:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i was pretty amazed w/ the service here | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fuse holder melted this last time | 21:37 |
| timeless_mbp | they replied, gave me an address which i pass every day | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the right rear window is stuck. | 21:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i went past it, to the store i recognized, they walked me around the corner | 21:37 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: you get fog in Florida!? | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I gotta drive 30 minutes to a mall out in Tampa. | 21:38 |
| timeless_mbp | i left my laptop there, walked home and got my badge | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, often enough | 21:38 |
| timeless_mbp | and walked back to the store... the guy was just about done :) | 21:38 |
| lardman | fair enough | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, but I leave them on all the time, really. | 21:38 |
| timeless_mbp | then i walked back to work :) | 21:38 |
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| lardman | along with the blue strip lights underneath? ;) | 21:38 |
| * lardman ducks | 21:38 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, nice for illuminating the road on the sides and directly in front | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | OEM fog lights. ;) | 21:39 |
| lardman | illegal in the uk, but people still do it | 21:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | My front end looks mostly like: http://www.toyotanation.com/photos/data/523/medium/01_05_Camry_SE_V6.jpg | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Except the US version | 21:41 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: I thought you were going to show a picture of something that had already seen a lump-hammer :) | 22:41 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 22:54 |
| stskeeps | wb | 22:56 |
| RST38h | mhm | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hi johnsq, RST38h | 22:57 |
| RST38h | This has to be a common faq: Why doesn't Ikea sell coffins? | 22:59 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Most wouldn't like the idea of assembling it =) | 22:59 |
| RST38h | Depends on the intended occupant... | 23:00 |
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| RST38h | Oh shit somebody already thought about it: http://home.arcor.de/edwink/anzeigen/coffin.jpg | 23:01 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Tesco Value coffin or nothing | 23:02 |
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| johnsq | Does the n810 have good audio input? on the laptop learning IR works. | 23:04 |
| timelys | John, iirc the n800/n810 have an audio jack | 23:08 |
| timelys | For a headset | 23:09 |
| johnsq | timelys: I'm must check. how it works. | 23:11 |
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| arp | does anyone know where to download ubuntu_9.04_n8x0-2.2_rootfs.tgz | 23:41 |
| arp | maemobox.org seems to be down :/ | 23:41 |
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| stskeeps | maemobox.org is permanently down | 23:43 |
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| arp | is there any other place to download the jaunty rootfs? | 23:43 |
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| lbt | arp: any reason you want raw ubuntu? | 23:44 |
| stskeeps | beyond masochism ;) | 23:45 |
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| arp | i want to see how jaunty works on the n810 device | 23:45 |
| lbt | arp: I ask since Mer is a sane version of ubuntu for the N8x0 | 23:45 |
| arp | i read somewhere that Mer was a litle slow? | 23:46 |
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| lbt | it's certainly not finished yet... but it uses much of the ubuntu code | 23:47 |
| lbt | so you'll be even slower running raw ubuntu | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | slow? :P it's pure X deception :P | 23:48 |
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| arp | if i'm unhappy with jaunty i'll try mer or some other dist | 23:49 |
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| johnsq | slow processors and small screen for developers and every thing works fine without patching. | 23:54 |
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| RST38h | Sts: They swept that Sapwood bug under the carpet | 23:58 |
| RST38h | Can you believe this? | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: we're happy at the moment, it's one of our own detals | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | deltas | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | only | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | (it works perfectly) | 23:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: you're not surprised, right? :) | 23:59 |
| RST38h | not really | 23:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thought so ;) | 23:59 |
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