IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-06-17

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timeless_mbpanyone alive?00:48
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jeremiahJust barely.00:50
* b-man` is dead00:50
b-man`XD00:50
bobpaul_when device is locked, you need to use the screen (can move cursor with 5-way, but can't select). Any fix for this? A larger dialog would be helpful.00:50
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m'lo timeless_mbp  (you have a hard to tab-complete nick you know)01:06
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timeless_mbpi respond to timeless01:06
lbtstupid name changing konversation01:06
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timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: did you ask if the strings were final?01:37
timeless_mbpStskeeps: you mentioned something about 'decent' comments?01:37
* timeless_mbp coughs01:37
timeless_mbpnot even close01:37
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* xnt14 throws his server which is in emergency mode out his west window02:10
xnt14resulting in a loud smash02:10
lcukOUCH!02:11
xnt14and a solar array on xnt14's roof to swivel to the west02:12
* lcuk pilfers the solar array and leaves xnt14 without electricity 02:12
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* xnt14 switches to generator elecricitty02:13
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* xnt14 walks over to lcuk's house and clips the network cable going to lcuk's computer02:14
xnt14*router02:14
* lcuk hits xnt14 around the head with a hefty solar array he aquired earlier02:15
* xnt14 loses conciouness02:15
xnt14and stabs lcuk in the arm with a katana he had on his back02:16
xnt14then02:16
* xnt14 pricks himself with a wakashi to force himself awake02:16
* lcuk exposes the hidden stylus from his ultra-finger and shoves it far up xnt14's nose02:16
xnt14and the he stashes the wakashi in his case02:17
xnt14and cuts lcuk's finger off while yelping in pain02:17
xnt14with the katana still in his hand02:17
xnt14then02:17
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* xnt14 pulls a second katana out of his other holder02:18
lcukyou kanata cannot hurt my finger.  its been rebuilt by the best finnish doctors in the world02:18
xnt14and dashes towards lcuk02:18
* lcuk looks left02:18
* lcuk looks right02:18
* lcuk jumps02:18
xnt14my katana can cut through anything, it is enhanced02:18
xnt14by a nanomoleqular edge02:19
xnt14Im not shure I spelled that right :P02:19
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lcukooh [2009-06-17 02:18:29] liqbase-playground 0.3.7 has been queued for loading into diablo extras-devel repository02:19
zakkmnanomolecular *02:20
xnt14and throws a bunch of shruinkens in lcuk's eyes02:20
xnt14xD, thanks02:20
lcukare they like full sized shurikens?02:20
xnt14congrats02:20
xnt14yes02:20
xnt14then02:20
lcukdid you get em in a happy meal?02:20
zakkmwooh installed full gnome-games in mer :D02:20
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xnt14:D02:20
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, yes.02:21
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zakkmcomeonnn workkk :D02:21
timeless_mbpwell General... i cough along that general direction02:21
zakkmunable to render file , please check that mahjong is installed correctly :(02:21
xnt14no, I got them from the local ninja store02:21
zakkmNOOOOOOOO02:21
xnt14X(02:22
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lcukqwerty12_N810, if i have a package that includes a script, if that script is manually modified, by you for instance, and the package is then updated02:29
lcukwill your script changes be eaten02:29
lcukor is it sensible02:29
qwerty12_N810should be saved02:29
lcukbut i guess if its actually updated by me - AFTER your update it wont be02:30
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Brainy142hey everyone02:59
zakkmBrainy142: hi02:59
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Brainy142anyone here tries mer on the smart Q 5 or 7?03:00
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Brainy142I was wondering if all the apps that are on mer work with the smart Q or if they have to be ported individually?03:01
zakkmits the same apps03:03
zakkmmer should run okay, for q7 i think wifi is still experimental03:03
Brainy142ok, does it have any GPU acceleration? or is that still in the works?03:04
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zakkmnot 100% sure, but id say no .. i mean DSP yes03:04
zakkmbut wouldnt think 3d03:04
zakkmnot the right person to ask though03:04
Brainy142I was wondering if it played video's better than the ubuntu os it came with03:05
zakkmyou use mplayer?03:05
Brainy142yup03:05
Brainy142(not on the smart Q I dont have one yet03:05
zakkmnormal xvids should play just fine?03:06
Brainy142I use it on my ubuntu pc03:06
Brainy142cool03:06
zakkmlike 175/350mb xvids?03:06
zakkm"legal" ?03:06
Brainy142lol03:06
zakkmthey should work just fine without reencoding03:06
zakkmbut wouldnt try out 720p :P03:06
Brainy142Ya I hate encoding mkv's03:06
zakkmmkv wont do.03:06
zakkmjust normal .avi03:06
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Brainy142oh :(03:06
zakkmunless its a really low mkv03:07
Brainy142ah it doesn't like mp4 got it03:07
lcukzakkm, i think i got it through!03:07
zakkmive gotten 100mb mkv, paid horribly... then i gotta a nice 350mb xvid played perfectly03:07
lcukits in extras-devel03:07
zakkmlcuk: getting it :D03:07
Brainy142nice03:07
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zakkmalso screensize wise, you dont really need much03:08
Brainy142 i might get a smart Q5 and "merrify" it03:08
zakkmi want a smartq :(03:08
zakkmill trade you my n800 for it :D03:08
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Brainy142Raz gets a shipment tommorro03:08
zakkmhow much03:08
Brainy142165 dollars03:09
zakkmew03:09
Brainy142shipping and insurance free03:09
zakkmits only 132 i thought03:09
zakkmless with Stskeeps magic discount :D03:09
Brainy142lol03:09
zakkmlcuk: i dont see it?03:09
Brainy142I wish nand prices would go down03:09
lcukqueued for delivery lol03:09
zakkmah man03:10
zakkmis there a deb i can wget __ && dpkg -i ?03:10
zakkmdeb link me the one you uploading03:10
lcukits in the folders for the repo, hmmm just a mo03:11
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zakkmohh i see it03:12
Brainy142Ya I wish mkv wasn't so hard to encode into a different file format w/o losin subs :(03:12
zakkm0.3.7  ?03:12
lcukyah03:12
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Brainy142... I want a magic discount... lol03:13
zakkmits downloading03:13
zakkmBrainy142: he get slike 30% off or something03:14
zakkmdeveloper discount03:14
Brainy142:(03:14
Brainy142oh03:14
Brainy142lol03:14
zakkmyou should unmux the mkv03:14
zakkmand then encode03:14
Brainy142I do just re-encoding it is a pain03:14
Brainy142as the subs only go on 1/2 the time03:14
zakkmlcuk: ... error'd cause i have liqbase03:15
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zakkmlcuk: cant have liqbase 0.1.5 + liqbase playgrund at same time03:15
lcukdamn i forgot about that03:15
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zakkmdid you write that in?03:15
lcukits 3 bloody files \@/ (the cpu update ones)03:15
zakkmas a conflict?03:15
lcukno i dunno how :$03:15
zakkmget the intsaller to rm it then03:15
zakkmin the makefile03:16
zakkmand then liqbase-playground to make them?03:16
zakkmremoved liqbase, unpacking again :D03:16
zakkmconflicts should be set when you uploaded to extras?03:16
zakkmuhh problem03:16
lcukits not in extras03:17
lcukwhats up03:17
zakkm"dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of liqbase-playground: liqbase-playgrund depends on libliqbase1; however: package libliqbase1 is not installed."03:17
zakkmhad to type that lol03:17
lcukheh03:17
zakkmohh are you uploading that too?03:17
lcukits a dep - perhaps they havent both hit yet03:17
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lcukyeah03:17
lcukboth passed03:17
lcukand queued03:17
lcukthey are both listed in03:17
zakkmokay03:17
zakkmgotta find that too then :D03:17
lcukhttp://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/libl/libliqbase/03:17
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lcuk0.3.703:18
zakkmoh wow different spot ;p03:18
zakkmdev or no dev?03:18
lcuk103:18
lcukyou only need the dev if you are creating things :)03:18
Brainy142dev is the developers package03:19
Brainy142O man..... freeciv.... ported to arm..... so awesome my head asplode03:19
zakkmlib installed perfect :D03:20
zakkmfreeciv is slow on tablet :P03:20
zakkmits in maemo03:20
Brainy142:(03:20
Brainy142noooooo03:20
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Brainy142my head no longer asplode03:20
zakkmproblem again lcuk03:21
zakkmohh03:21
zakkmno space left?03:21
zakkmmaybe thats a error for me then lol03:21
zakkmyeah it is, sorry03:21
Brainy142that sucks03:22
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Brainy142running out of space03:22
zakkmi dont normally use maemo from flash03:22
zakkmlost my 4gb sd03:22
Brainy142ouch03:22
Brainy142I guess you could just get an 8 gig for 20 dollars03:23
zakkmuhh lcuk it doesnt work03:23
zakkmi dont have money03:23
Brainy142ah03:23
lcukmoney wont help03:23
lcukwhat happens when you run03:23
Brainy142lol03:23
Brainy142you hit a wall?03:24
zakkmit shows loading, and then cpu goes back to 003:24
zakkmwhats the terminal command for it?03:24
zakkmill see if it shows something03:24
zakkmi tried liqbase and liqbase-playgrund but nothing03:24
lcukliqbase-playground-run.sh03:24
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lcuktab completion is your friend03:24
Brainy142are you sure freeciv runs bad...03:25
zakkmomg03:25
zakkmerror :D03:25
lcukbig log then error or nothing at all?03:25
zakkmat argument 3 it fails03:25
zakkmonesec let me type this lol03:25
lcukpastebin the whole thing03:26
lcukit puts it in context03:26
zakkm23;26;589 hildon/osso initializing context: org.maemo.processs 1861; arguments to dbus_bus_request_name() were incorrect, assertion "_dbus_check_is_valid_bus_name(name)" failede  in file dbus-bus.c line 982. this is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library. D-Bus not built with -rdynamic so unable to print a backtrace. Aborted.03:26
lcukfrom when you ran it to the end03:26
zakkmno03:27
zakkmill do the part before that then03:27
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zakkmWelcome to liqbase-playground ver 0.2 you passed 3 arguments argument 0 = ./liqbase-playground argument 1 = -showwidget argument 2 = kotcomix,tagclud......liqbook  23;26;58 hildon/osso (what i said above)03:27
zakkmand then just asks for new command03:28
lcukdont worry03:28
lcuki see the bug03:28
zakkm:D03:28
* lcuk slaps forehead03:28
lcukthanks and sorry03:28
zakkmit could be my install, i do have alot of weird stuff installed in jffs203:28
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Maceranybody here have a macbook?03:29
zakkmeww macbook03:30
zakkmi make my mac think its a macbook? does that count?03:30
zakkmlcuk: you have it open ondemand command when liqbase starts?03:30
zakkmyour like forcing it?03:31
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lcukzakkm, at this point yeah03:50
lcukits a test run03:50
zakkmokay03:50
zakkmim just wondering03:50
lcukive just cured both ills with the package hopefully03:51
lcukthanks for the report03:51
zakkmshall you send again and i try?03:52
lcukive made the conflicting files hopefully vanish03:52
lcukive renamed em in my side and in the package and where they are used03:52
zakkmive already deleted liqbase though :(03:52
lcukjust put it back03:52
lcukyour sketches are still there03:52
zakkmsweet :D03:52
lcukand when the new one lands i think they will coexist03:52
zakkmdid you remake the debs for the fixed ones?03:53
zakkmlike shall i try again?03:53
lcukits not in extras yet03:54
lcukim just pushing the .debs to ftp if you want em from there :)03:55
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lcukhttp://liqbase.net/up2/libliqbase-dev_0.3.8_armel.deb     http://liqbase.net/up2/liqbase-playground_0.3.8_armel.deb03:55
zakkmnot -dev? :P03:56
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/up2/libliqbase1_0.3.8_armel.deb03:57
lcukof course03:57
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zakkmlcuk: doing it, real slow hah03:59
lcukwhats slow04:00
zakkmme downloading + installing on tablet04:00
zakkm;p04:00
lcukhah04:00
lcuki have to contend with gcc running quite often04:01
lcukbut still it works well04:01
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zakkm:(04:04
zakkmlcuk: still doesnt run04:04
lcukpoo sticks04:04
lcukwhats error now04:05
zakkmlcuk: runs if i do it from command?04:07
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zakkmwoww04:08
zakkmcould it be a menu thing perhaps04:08
zakkmthat it didnt update menu?04:08
lcukyeah will be04:08
zakkmor that menu runs as user not root?04:08
zakkmcause from terminal i ran as root04:08
lcukits likely me screwing up the menu04:08
lcukdoes it run tho :O04:08
zakkmuhh lcuk why do you have it open web afterwards04:08
zakkm"thanki you for trying liqbase"04:08
zakkmyeah if i do command04:09
zakkmgoing to try to learn why04:09
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lcukzakkm, :) ill make that closing message vanish after its been seen.  i think the prblem is bad field in the .desktop04:12
lcukwhen i was talking in #liqbase earlier and put the first one out04:12
lcukit was all setup as "liqbase-playground"04:12
lcukand it made the desktop crash when it read the .desktop file!04:12
lcukso i tried to make sure osso was always getting a "legal" name04:13
lcukliqbase_playground04:13
zakkmlcuk: yeah its just the menu that wont start it04:13
lcukso look for things which are out of place in that context04:13
zakkmrunning it from root and user both work under commandline perfectly04:13
zakkmwith 0.3.8 .04:14
lcuk:)04:14
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lcukthats nice to hear04:14
zakkmwheres the .desktop located?04:14
zakkmit wont work from menu04:14
zakkmon goodbye... closing liqbase it starts the web and opens "thank you for trying"04:14
zakkmevery time..04:15
zakkmat least make it start in tear :D04:15
lcuklol!04:15
lcukpatches accepted ;)04:15
zakkmif it starts in tear, then they know a bit about maemo , otherwise they dont and end-users wont get mad ;p04:15
zakkmhah04:16
lcuktheres no need to start in anything technically04:16
zakkmcause normal end-users dont have tear :P04:16
lcuki just havent finished the closing screen yet04:16
lcukliqbase is faster than tear :P04:16
zakkmwheres the menu item .desktop ?04:16
lcukliqbase doesnt have to tear lol04:16
lcuk/usr/share/applications/hildon/liqbase_playground.desktop04:16
Brainy142back04:17
lcuk/usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.maemo.liqbase_playground.service04:17
lcukalso, that is related04:17
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lcukosso should be registered as org.maemo.liqbase_playground04:17
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zakkmhmm04:19
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zakkmorg.maemo.liqbase_playground = empty?04:19
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lcukzakkm, i dont store anything in its osso stuff04:21
lcuki merely register at the start and close at the end04:21
zakkmwhat are the alternates, nano, vi ..04:21
lcukits purely for handshaking04:21
zakkmwhat else?04:21
zakkmneed something better04:21
zakkmgoing to try messing with .desktop till it works04:22
lcukfor what?04:22
zakkmcli text editing04:22
lcukim the last personm you should ask !04:22
lcuki am a visual basic dev04:22
zakkmill try vim04:22
zakkmwhys there no nano in repositories?04:23
lcuktoo big?04:23
zakkmnano - 50kb i think?04:23
zakkmah no found it04:23
zakkmits in diablo/tools apparently04:23
lcukif something isnt there, you might wonder why, if you desire it, build it04:23
lcukahhh k04:24
zakkmdoes hildon menu refresh on its own?04:25
zakkmon launch?04:25
lcuki am not sure04:25
zakkmif i were to edit a .desktop file could i try it out straight away you think?04:26
lcuki couldnt before but my system is screwed04:26
lcukit managed to run binaries yours cant!04:26
zakkmwell sorrry :(04:26
zakkmmy flash one is screwed, and i formatted my boot-to-sd04:26
zakkmmoving to mer :D04:26
lcukthe 0.3.7 is installed on my system, it crashed yours because it was accessing memory which had been free()d04:26
Brainy142don't you have to restart x sometimes for changing things to occur?04:27
zakkmwell then its a good thing i was able to test it then isnt it :P04:27
lcukyeah04:27
lcukwouldv blown eventually04:27
lcukbut it happens on startup04:27
lcukso i shoudlv noticed!04:27
zakkmGet:3 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/tools/free nano 2.0.2-1osso6 [553kB]04:27
zakkmwoohoo :D04:27
zakkmi cant use anything but nano for textediting cli04:28
lcukanyway, zakkm, if you find out what it is, send me an email for now, or get the .git source and fix yourself04:28
zakkmim sure its just the .desktop04:28
zakkmi dont even have your email , i guess i could find on google though04:28
zakkmand k04:28
lcukliquid@gmail.com04:28
* zakkm likes to spam peoples emails :)04:28
lcukor just call into #liqbase04:28
lcuki get enough as it stands04:29
lcukgoogle are good at keeping msot at bay04:29
Brainy142hotmail fails ata that though :D04:29
lcukthen dont use hotfail04:30
zakkmwait lcuk04:30
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zakkmcould it be menu doesnt allow .sh's ?04:30
zakkm.sh has to run in terminal dont they?04:30
lcukyou tell me04:30
zakkmthey arent commands on their own?04:30
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zakkm.sh is a set of commands04:30
zakkma script04:30
lcukit worked before with .sh :S04:30
zakkmoh really okay04:30
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zakkmim just brainstorming :D04:30
lcukim v sleepy, tis well past my bedtime04:31
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lcukgnite zakkm :) have fun in the playground, see what you can discover04:32
zakkmk :)04:32
zakkmgoodnight04:32
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Brainy142have a good day04:34
zakkmdang :(04:35
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Brainy142playground sounds fun...04:38
Brainy142so does mar...04:38
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zakkmBrainy142: you new to tablet scene?04:41
Brainy142yup04:41
Brainy142still trying to decide weather to "bite the bullet"04:41
Brainy142portable freeciv sounds so fun...04:42
derfIt's really slow.04:42
derfFreeciv, I mean.04:43
Brainy142like really slow or just slow04:43
zakkmyou can play it :D04:43
zakkmbut with small screen and such it isnt really worth it04:43
derfBut games take a lot longer.04:43
zakkmits alot more of a proof-of-concept i think04:43
Brainy142cuz i'm on a freaking amd 2000+ with no 3d acell04:43
zakkmwhy no 3d?04:43
Brainy142small screen the q7 has 7 inch's04:43
zakkmeven a old geforce2 has 3d :P04:43
derfBrainy142: That would be fast in comparison.04:43
zakkmohh04:44
zakkmon q704:44
Brainy142no 3d due to stupid un supported v card04:44
zakkmlol04:44
zakkmnokias dont have either04:44
Brainy142lol04:44
Brainy142how does it generally run though.... besaides freeciv lol04:44
zakkmthe OS?04:45
zakkmlike using mer?04:45
Brainy142plus since the q5/7 has otg I could use a mouse :D04:45
Brainy142ya mer04:45
zakkmwould run okay04:45
zakkmpidgin, browser, etc04:45
zakkmgimp is a bit sloww04:45
Brainy142I just wish it has mkv04:45
zakkmit does, it just cant render it04:45
zakkmit would go like 3-4fps04:46
Brainy142lol04:46
zakkmits unwatchable but it does work04:46
Brainy142like my old pocket pc eh?04:46
zakkmtablet alot more powerful ;p04:46
zakkmyou'd run mplayer too04:46
zakkmmaybe vlc04:46
Brainy142I like mplayer so thats a bonus04:46
zakkmit uses gmlauncher04:47
Brainy142do any of the emulators work well?04:47
zakkmmer, ive never tried04:47
zakkmin maemo work really well04:47
zakkmsort of limited though04:47
Brainy142I tried the x86 version in vbox it took a min to load04:47
zakkmtheres scuumvm, gba, gbc, nes ,04:47
Brainy142all I need is a gamepad04:47
zakkmvbox would use your cpu though...04:47
zakkmnot the tablets04:47
Brainy142I know :D runs so slow in vbox04:47
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Brainy142dam you via04:48
Brainy142not supporting 3d in linux grr04:48
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Brainy142I'm kinda used to a bit of slowness04:49
Brainy142oddly though in windows my old amd 2000 emulates n64 better than my intel dual core04:50
Brainy142the intel cant even get a steady framerate, while the amd chugged a little every 2 min04:51
zakkmyou sure you had driver installed right?04:51
zakkmright plugin?04:51
Brainy142yup04:52
zakkmintel is way better at emulation04:52
Brainy142emulated gamecube better than n64????04:52
zakkmespecially in old retro gaming04:52
zakkmi used to belong to a group many years ago that did it04:52
Brainy142cool04:52
Brainy142man If you could harness the gpu for 3d in the smart q... dam that would rock04:53
Brainy142it would run games better than my amd lol04:53
Brainy142although i'm used to hacking things a bit04:54
Brainy142I love getting full use of things04:54
Brainy142does the youtube app work well?04:55
zakkmyup04:56
zakkmyoutube itself on browser not so much, you can i dont recommend it though04:56
zakkmmight be better in q7 though04:56
zakkmbut youtube app works perfectly, theres several too04:56
Brainy142q5 and q7 have same specs04:56
zakkmin mer you have full ubuntu repository dont forget04:56
zakkmyeah but i never tried either04:56
zakkmi just have a n80004:56
Brainy142as long as it's ported to arm...04:56
Brainy142:D04:57
zakkmwhich most are?04:57
lcukarm isnt the problem, its the screensize/dpi/expectations that arent04:57
zakkmubuntu armel is huge04:57
zakkmthe repository04:57
zakkmlcuk: what happened to bed?04:57
Brainy142hmm... I though nothing was hardly ported04:57
lcukjacob :|04:58
zakkm:D04:58
Brainy142hey04:58
Brainy142your back04:58
lcukno04:58
Brainy142oh04:58
lcukquick smoke before lyin back down04:58
Brainy142well zakkm would you personally think that mer is worth it on a smart q that costs 164 dollars or is it too premature?04:59
lcukBrainy142, liqbase was created through a desire to use everything to maximum potential04:59
Brainy142yay potental04:59
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lcukBrainy142, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY have a look05:00
lcukthen get the .deb and see if you can create anything in it :)05:00
lcukit should work nicely on smartq05:00
Brainy142looks fun05:00
zakkmlcuk: did you try that yet?05:00
zakkmliqbase in mer?05:01
lcukmer doesnt have xv yet05:01
zakkmoh thats why its so fast05:01
lcukbut theres no rush05:01
zakkmk05:01
lcuknone of us are ready05:01
zakkmi was going to test out cause i got mer in easy mer05:01
Brainy142that looks amazing05:01
zakkmsee if it runs from menu in that :D05:01
lcukpatches welcome tho :)05:01
zakkmpdf reading preferred :D05:01
Brainy142man I have to like buy one real soon05:02
Brainy142thats amazing05:02
lcukthe book reader will be back to normal soon05:02
zakkmlcuk: you got a new suckup :D05:02
Brainy142the touch screen is used very well05:02
lcukbut its fully capable of laying out and displaying full color pages.. with images and fonts etc05:02
Brainy142do we have any physics games?05:03
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lcukzakkm, there are a large number of fans, you included :P05:03
lcukstop calling yourself a suckup :D05:03
lcukbut im goin, gnite05:03
Brainy142have a good day05:03
lcukand Brainy142 yeah, the tablets are most than usable :)05:03
zakkmim not, i was referring to Brainy05:03
Brainy142this kicks the ipods ui out the window05:04
zakkmheh05:05
zakkmipods are the greatest :D05:05
Brainy142does the mer site list all of the apps or just some big pics05:05
Brainy142come on you have to agree the new shuffle= fail05:05
Brainy142I used to have a touch... then I sold it05:06
Brainy142I made 30 dollars though :D05:06
Brainy142*more than I payed*05:06
zakkmim a macfanboy :)05:06
Brainy142I dislike macs05:06
zakkm:O05:07
zakkmalot of ppl here have macs05:07
Brainy142I DO however like the disign of them05:07
Brainy142but I feel the os is a fail05:07
zakkmmac OSX is the greatest OS05:07
zakkm-.-05:07
Brainy142and price is super fail05:07
Brainy142mac is linux05:07
zakkmno its not05:07
Brainy142yup05:07
zakkmnot at all05:07
zakkmif anything its BSD , not linux05:08
zakkmbut even then its far from BSD05:08
Brainy142bsd linux whatever05:08
Brainy142same thing to me05:08
zakkmmac OSX and actual BSD/Linux is hugeely differnet05:08
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Brainy142the battary life rocks though05:08
Brainy142on a macbook05:08
zakkmtheres nothing similar between linux and mac05:09
zakkm-.-05:09
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zakkmbesides maybe the file tree05:09
Brainy142like the lappy the school gave me gives me 1.5 hrs of battary with wifi05:09
zakkmthe school gave you a laptop?!05:09
zakkmdamn05:09
zakkmi want05:09
jaem_N810it only gets 1.5hrs?05:09
jaem_N810that's terrible05:10
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Brainy142ya toshiba05:10
zakkmgave... as in free? :D05:10
jaem_N810huh05:10
Brainy142older pentium m05:10
zakkmwhat school is this?05:10
jaem_N810zakkm: I got one too, way back in grade 705:10
zakkmlucky omg05:10
Brainy142It stays at the school but I use it to type sometimes05:10
jaem_N810and since it was HP junk, it kept dying05:10
zakkmim in grade 12, well finished in a week its exam week.. and i never had a laptop :(05:10
Brainy142our elementary schools in canada have MACBOOKS05:10
zakkmi want one so much05:10
Brainy142FREAKIN MACBOOKS05:10
zakkmhow?!05:11
zakkmBrainy142: i live in Toronto, Canada.05:11
jaem_N810and every time it died, Tech Support would be so awful that I'd wind up getting a new model after complaining for a week or two05:11
Brainy142like I was helping to teach and we had a room with like 20 macbooks05:11
zakkmomg05:11
zakkmluckyy05:11
zakkmi would do alotttt for a macbook05:11
Brainy142our high school has quad core pc's05:12
Brainy142they are like so fast05:12
zakkmlol05:12
Brainy142especally at video conversion05:12
jaem_N810the only computers I haven't gotten free in the last 9 years were my N810 and a cheapo desktop :D05:12
zakkmyou got a free n810!?05:12
Brainy142lol05:12
zakkmdamn05:12
jaem_N810zakkm: no05:12
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Brainy142he said "haven't"05:12
jaem_N810I payed for that05:12
zakkmoh05:13
zakkmso what did you get that was free ?05:13
jaem_N810I got everything else in the last 9 years free, one way or another05:13
zakkmdamn05:13
Brainy142I got a psp for 60 dollars05:13
jaem_N810at the end of spring term, I ended up with 3 laptops05:13
Brainy142nice05:13
zakkmjaem_N810: send me one :)05:13
Brainy142*yoinks lappy*05:13
jaem_N810one on loan, one with a dead hdd that I replaced and gave to my sister...05:13
zakkmomg05:13
zakkmi want a laptop05:14
jaem_N810and one that a floormate couldn't fit in her suitcase05:14
Brainy142nice05:14
zakkmbeen watching craigslist05:14
jaem_N810not kidding05:14
Brainy142craigs had a really got deal a mth ago05:14
jaem_N810zakkm: CL laptop's are sketchy at best05:14
zakkmCL ?05:14
Brainy142they had a tablet pc for like 25005:14
jaem_N810as are most used ones05:14
zakkmah05:14
zakkmyeah05:14
zakkmi want one for september05:14
jaem_N810a friend of mine bought one05:14
zakkmfor school and such05:14
zakkmand im joining stock market too an d such so i got alot to watch05:14
Brainy142I'l probably use the smart q as my lappy...05:14
jaem_N810the guy didn't tell him that the power jack was loose05:15
Brainy142lol05:15
jaem_N810nor did he tell him that he had tried to solder it back on himself05:15
jaem_N810nor that he had never picked up a soldering iron before in his life05:15
zakkmheh05:15
jaem_N810it was painful to look at05:15
Brainy142all I have to do Is find out if the Razzonator is going to give a free win ce upgrade or not05:15
zakkmi learned to use one in computer engineer :D05:15
jaem_N810anyhow, I'm trying to change the fonts in the gtkrc file for a copy of the Echo theme...05:16
Brainy142our school it = fail05:16
jaem_N810and the font isn't changing...05:16
zakkmfont changing isnt hard?05:16
zakkmdo find and replace?05:16
jaem_N810well, it shouldn't be05:16
zakkmdid you save file, rerun theme05:16
zakkmlike choose another theme05:16
jaem_N810but is there a specific format for the font name, maybe?05:16
jaem_N810yeah05:16
Brainy142they came into our class and like 3 computer broke for no reason at all05:16
zakkmand then choose it again05:16
jaem_N810yeah05:16
zakkmclear gtk font cache?05:16
Brainy142and me and my friend are pretty much the regular IT05:16
jaem_N810I was trying to figure out how to do that on Maemo05:17
jaem_N810zakkm: hint?05:17
Brainy142and were just students05:17
zakkmuhh05:17
zakkmsame as ubuntu i would think05:17
zakkmill try googling05:17
Brainy142they guy was using a MAC to try to inspect a windows machiene05:17
zakkmgtk-update-font-cache ?05:17
Brainy142and the IT guy hates linux05:18
jaem_N810oh right...05:18
jaem_N810duh05:18
jaem_N810zakkm: not there05:18
zakkmuhh no clue05:18
zakkmtried rebooting?05:18
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zakkmyou sure you changed right gtkrc?05:18
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Brainy142although the mac os is pretty much a fail in itself, it crashed more than our windows computers05:19
jaem_N810zakkm: no, I was getting there, and yes, I am05:19
jaem_N810I'll be right back05:19
Brainy142ok if you wont agree that mac is a fail that at LEAST agree that Itunes is fail05:20
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zakkmITUNES?05:21
zakkmitunes is the greatest?05:21
zakkmitunes for windows sucks05:21
zakkmbut itunes for mac = godly05:21
Brainy142lol05:22
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Brainy142I myself have used itunes on windows and macs and it fails05:22
zakkmno appreciating05:22
Brainy142but I will agree it runs somewhat better on a mac05:22
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Brainy142Itunes ran like crap on my windows it was worse than windows media player05:23
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Brainy142I dont even know HOW they accomplished that05:23
jaem_N810zakkm, is there a way to just restart X and friends on the N810 easily?05:23
Brainy142ctrl alt backspace05:24
jaem_N810Brainy142: that *would* be quite a feat05:24
zakkmjaem_N810: run killall hildon-desktop05:24
zakkmin terminal05:24
jaem_N810Brainy142: I only have two of those keys05:24
zakkmas user05:24
Brainy142lol05:24
zakkmrun killall hildon-desktop05:24
jaem_N810zakkm: I couldn't remember if it would come back up after that.05:24
jaem_N810it does?05:24
zakkmi do it all the time ;p05:24
Brainy142Like itunes took like 30 seconds to chance a folder.05:24
Brainy142if that doesn't work just reboot05:25
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jaem_N810okay, thanks05:25
zakkmjaem it depends how you set it05:25
zakkmif you killall -9 it may not come back05:25
jaem_N810ah05:25
jaem_N810okay05:25
zakkmbut if you just killall ... hildon will start it up again05:25
jaem_N810thanks :P05:25
jaem_N810bye05:25
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Brainy142one thing I hated about a mac was no fullscreen05:26
Brainy142although hackintoshes are so cool05:27
Brainy142soo funny to see one05:27
Brainy142have a nice day everyone05:28
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timeless_mbp"Application '%s' suffered an internal error and had to close."09:07
timeless_mbpok... who hear feels some sympathy for %s? it had to suffer!09:07
timeless_mbps/hear/here/09:07
infobottimeless_mbp meant: ok... who here feels some sympathy for %s? it had to suffer!09:07
RST38h*yawn*09:08
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thuxmorning09:16
timeless_mbpStskeeps: ping09:18
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zakkmanyone know mpd on maemo?09:21
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Macerkeepin it real in the 2 double oh 909:24
zakkm?09:25
Macerhi09:26
zakkmMacer: can you help me with sonata + mpd please09:26
Maceri dont use either09:26
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zakkmsonata wont read the mpd for the some reason09:27
zakkmand if i goto preferences09:27
zakkmi cant see it all09:27
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Stskeepstimeless_mbp: pong, from bus09:32
timeless_mbpso, do you want to manage the changelog garbage or should i?09:32
zakkmStskeeps: got sound working :D in mer 0.13 ^^09:33
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Stskeepstimeless_mbp: define changelog garbage09:34
timeless_mbpwell, if i'm making an en_US package09:34
timeless_mbpand my input is en_GB09:34
timeless_mbpdo you want me to write the changelog thing, or would you magically do it for me :)09:34
Stskeepsah, i guess i can do that09:35
Stskeepsright now we focus on the po's i guess, packaging remains unchosen09:36
timeless_mbpok09:36
timeless_mbpi'll give you a full thing once just for kicks09:36
timeless_mbp(and also because i want to run it!)09:36
Stskeepshehe09:36
zakkmdiscovered mer looks so nice setting background to pure black :D09:37
zakkmgnome-games works well :D09:37
zakkmtoo09:37
zakkmStskeeps: might i suggest xpdf as the "mer pdf reader" , seems to run very well in mer09:38
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Stskeepsxpdf has a interface like old motif days though09:40
zakkmbut it loads instantly, and low on resources09:40
zakkmhas scrollbar..and mer adds the nice next page / flip pages and such at bottom09:40
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zakkmcan write page.. and it will go09:41
Stskeepsscreenshot?09:41
zakkmhas zoom at bottom and quit09:41
zakkmhow do you set time in scrot?09:41
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Stskeepsscrot?09:41
zakkmscreenshot command?09:42
zakkmoh wait i think i know09:42
Stskeepsuse load applet09:42
zakkmoh that works?09:42
zakkmwhere does it save it?09:42
Stskeeps~/MyDocs/.images09:43
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zakkmStskeeps: http://i39.tinypic.com/33lnga9.png09:44
Stskeepsugly as sin but functional..09:45
zakkmwell its xpdf09:45
zakkmforget what toolkit that is09:46
zakkmbut its the really windowmaker one ;p09:46
zakkmyeah but it loads fast, im guessing real low on resources, and the actual UI is pretty good09:46
zakkmhas quit button too, mer doesnt really have one09:46
zakkmit already works.09:46
RST38hLooks ok to me09:47
zakkmand opens instantly09:47
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Stskeepsmer has one in the rightmost x09:47
zakkmi dont know i was just thinking what apps to install and then xpdf came to mind and i thought it looked quite nice09:47
zakkmi dont see it?09:47
zakkmfrom taskbar button yes but thats too button09:47
zakkmtwo button*09:47
zakkmcould it be my bad install?09:48
Stskeepsthe round thing with half circle..09:48
zakkmthats two button closing ;p09:48
zakkmbut other advantages09:48
zakkmespecially for 770 people09:48
zakkmhaving xpdf.09:48
zakkmcpu , ram wise and such09:48
Stskeepsmm09:49
zakkmobviously evince would be nicer, or osso-pdf? if thats the name but more resource hungry09:49
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zakkmjust a thought ;)09:50
zakkmtetravex is so cool in mer :D ( gnome-games )09:50
zakkmworks so perfectly09:50
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* timeless_mbp grumbles09:58
timeless_mbpStskeeps: so...09:58
timeless_mbpfooopy-l10n-public; fooopy-l10n-public-enus1 ?09:59
timeless_mbpor foopy-l10n-enus1 ?09:59
timeless_mbp(some o's cost extra)09:59
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Macerhm10:20
zakkmhey Macer :D10:21
zakkmdid that thing work from yesterday?10:21
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Maceryeah10:23
zakkmwooh :)10:23
Maceri watched it.10:23
Macerlol10:23
zakkmit was good?10:23
Macernot as good as it used to be10:24
zakkmlol10:24
zakkmlost its touch?10:24
Maceryeah haha10:24
Macerit is too early 90s10:24
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Macerwhere they were doing the transition away from the 80s10:25
zakkm:)10:25
Macerlike highlander the show10:25
Macerwhere the dude wears purple suits haha10:26
zakkm:P10:26
zakkmnever seen that show10:26
Macerwow really? highlander was pretty good10:26
RST38hIs Highlander still on?10:26
Macerhahaha no10:27
zakkmi guess im a later generation ? :D10:27
zakkmgoooo DAWSONS CREEK :D10:27
Maceri never watched dawsons creek10:27
zakkmew!10:27
zakkm:)10:27
Macerthat show was for like... 15 yr old suburban white girls10:27
Macerlike 90210.. where they had 7 years of them in high school10:28
zakkmwow dillo in mer :D10:28
Maceri should get an n81010:29
Maceris there openoffice for mer? :)10:29
Macerwith cups support?10:29
Maceri was excited because they released androffice for android with openoffice file support10:30
Maceruntil i found out it was just a spreadsheet10:30
Macerwith "plans to add a word processor soon"10:31
* RST38h remembers Saved By The Bell10:31
RST38hDoes it make me an old geezer?10:31
zakkmlol10:31
zakkmwhats wrong with abiword?10:31
RST38hit is just a word processor?10:31
RST38hit does not quite work?10:31
zakkmabiword is word processor10:31
zakkmgnumeric is the spreadsheet10:31
RST38hyou asked about abiword though10:32
aquatixabiword is quite nice imho10:32
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wazdheya maemo10:39
RST38hheya wazd10:39
wazdhttp://s41.radikal.ru/i092/0906/6c/7bd0808c80ce.jpg <- what do you think bout folder icons?10:39
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RST38hnot the same as the yellow folder icon on the right side? =)10:40
Corsac(is that a mockup or real code?)10:41
wazdCorsac: mockup10:41
wazdRST38h: well, no :)10:41
zakkmdeluge in mer - http://i41.tinypic.com/2rrqixj.png10:42
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RST38hshit, do not push me this close to installing mer...10:44
zakkm?10:44
zakkmRST38h: you dont have mer yet?10:44
RST38hit starts looking too good10:44
RST38hzakkm: No, I do not really have a need right now10:44
zakkmdillo in mer is amazingg :D10:44
Stskeepsthat's easy mer though10:44
Stskeepsfor good measure10:45
zakkmuh huh of course :)10:45
zakkmfull screen keyboard :P10:45
zakkmStskeeps: did you look at dillo - http://i41.tinypic.com/2i1eeo.png ?10:45
zakkmworks really well if only i had a n81010:45
Stskeepszakkm: yeah10:45
zakkmhas tabs and all10:46
zakkmahh i want a n81010:46
zakkmStskeeps: is there a easy way to force popup stylus keyboard?10:46
zakkmnot matchbox.10:46
zakkmStskeeps: whats so bad about easymer, beside the chroot slowness?10:47
Stskeepszakkm: it shows a battery applet by default and may cheat people into thinking we have it :P10:48
zakkmactual mer doesnt have a battery applet?10:48
zakkmreally?10:48
Stskeepswe do, and will soon by default10:48
zakkmah i probably installed advanced one perhaps?10:48
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: i'm working on getting toggles hald-bme-addon working with apmd today10:48
Stskeepssicne we made a replacement hald-addon-bme10:48
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: k10:49
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Stskeeps(sounds great)10:51
zakkmStskeeps: easymer is good though, cause it brings in thumb keyboard, for those who hate stylus, and the maemos mplayer, and tear and such10:55
Stskeepsmm10:55
zakkmalso you dont need to mess with partitions10:56
zakkmfor those who arent techsavvy enough to create partitions and such10:56
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xnt14[server]xpdf? :P14:46
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RST38hmoo qwerty15:02
qwerty12_N810hey RST38h :)15:02
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lcukRST38h, \o15:09
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RST38hhey alcuk15:12
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jeremiahJaffa: What is a numpty? =)15:21
X-Fadejeremiah: Dude, you are really missing out, if you don't know that!15:22
X-Fadejeremiah: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/numptyphysics/15:22
jeremiahI have no idea. :-/15:22
X-Fadejeremiah: Install it and instantly waste a few hours :)15:23
jeremiahI have seen that package, but not downloaded it.15:23
X-FadeIt is awesome.15:23
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jeremiahWow - sure has positive reviews.15:23
X-FadeI played it on the developer device and it was wicked fast and accurate.15:23
JaffaX-Fade: that's not the usage he's referring to15:24
jeremiahI will have to download it . . . take it to lunch with me.15:24
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Jaffajeremiah: British slang. Synonyms: plonker, idiot, fool, person who is too rash. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/numpty15:24
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jeremiahJaffa: Ta!15:28
lbtJaffa.... did you see my WONTFIX msg on -devel15:29
Jaffalbt: I did. Good idea.15:30
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lbtmay want to raise it at some point and track it15:30
Jaffalbt: Not sure how to make it work in practice. Brain has put it on to background processing queue15:31
lbtme neither... just a concept that WONTFIX often should really be DISCONTINUED_PRODUCT15:31
lbtand in that case we want a handover to community support15:32
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johnsqHi15:33
jeremiahGotta get some lunch . . .15:36
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lbtjeremiah_lunch: you mean numpty15:38
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johnsqmmm with qemu fluxbox compiles, on the n810 not :(15:52
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lcukX-Fade, doesnt the fremantle stars mention a problem with tracking the mouse with numpty?16:05
* lcuk looks again16:05
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X-Fadelcuk: There was what looked like a rendering bug?16:05
lcukhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Stars16:05
X-Fadelcuk: A yellow line at the end of a 'texture'.16:05
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lcukdunno, it says "  Wrong startup and seems that touch events are wrongly registered"16:06
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lcukmaybe the grid got misfilled in16:06
lcukif its playable, thats great news tho!16:06
lcukperhaps whoever added that to the wiki was using something different16:06
X-Fadelcuk: I played it at the meeting at least.16:06
X-Fadelcuk: And there was no multitasking etc, so exiting was a bit tough ;)16:07
X-Fadelcuk: But other than that, not too bad.16:07
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lcukheh16:07
lcukX-Fade, i have a partially broken package of the liqbase-playground up now, it managed to pass autobuilder for all 3 distros16:08
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lcukbut i had some feedback this morning that the fremantle one wont start from its icon16:08
X-Fadelcuk: Desktop file ok?16:09
lcuki know it wont from diablo (tho i dont see why not, it works on my 810 here :S)16:09
lcuki dunno, i managed to crash hildon last night with an evil desktop file16:09
lcuk"liqbase-playground" in the osso fields is enough to blow it up!16:09
lcukso i made a tweak, tested on my device and uploaded and it was fine16:09
lcukbut ppl with it are saying it wont start from the icon16:09
lcukbut it runs from the console lol "liqbase-playground-run.sh" :)16:10
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* lcuk has no hair, is battered and bruised and still its not perfect, but its getting closer :)16:11
RST38hand one finger less16:13
lcukno, now the finger has grown back together its LONGER16:13
lcukive got an evil nail thats almost 2x longer than the others16:14
lcukand the tip has settled all strangely :S16:14
lcukbut, its back together and usable16:14
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Stskeepswb16:15
lcukhey gan16:15
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lbthey GAN800 how come you don't hang out in #mer?16:18
lcuklbt, he does16:18
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Stskeepslbt, mobile to save bw prolly16:20
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fiferboylbt: Have you been able to merge all the qt-maemo branches yet?16:31
fiferboyIt looks like Antonio has been doing a lot of work on it recently16:31
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jeremiah_lunchI've been fooling a little with python and Qt.16:32
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jeremiah_lunchCool how quickly and easily you can create little apps16:32
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jeremiah_lunchShame about the GIL though. That makes python almost unusable on modern machines. :-(16:32
lbtno.. he seems to be still active16:32
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lbtGIL ?16:33
jeremiahGIL : http://blip.tv/file/223241016:33
GAN800Maemo is a broken piece of shit, Symbian is a broken piece of shit, Ubuntu is a broken piece of shit, OS X is a broken piece of shit. It's apparently impossible to produce a half way decent piece of software.16:33
GAN800I hate computers so much.16:33
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b-man16rofl16:33
jeremiahWell, you're in the right business!16:33
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jeremiahGAN800: Try debian. :P16:34
jaskashould train some colon bacteria to develop software, get more shit faster16:34
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GAN800ICD dies, so a restart is required to regain connectivity. Which, of course, messes up the phone so you also have to restart that.16:34
* GAN800 sighs.16:34
lcukGAN800, maybe the problem was the phone all along16:36
lcukunless its a nokia one16:37
lcukin which case the problem was the proximity to a bookstore with shit on the walls16:37
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lcukjeremiah, you say the gil causes it to be unusable on modern machines, isnt python quite a widely used language now?16:46
Stskeepsin terms of threading16:47
lcukyeah, but thats because you are using a toy language to do a grown up job lol16:48
lcuk;)16:48
* lcuk is flamebait16:48
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lcukStskeeps, seriously thou, is it bad enough to prevent running simple apps like jeremiah suggests..16:49
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lcukmy thinking with python was its quick simple binding  language, works but dont expect perf beyond what the c libs underlying it can give16:50
* GAN800 hates assholes who stick business cards in books.16:51
b-man16heh16:51
RazumihinI think they're pretty good bookmarks :)16:51
lcukGAN800, you are a bundle of joy today16:51
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RazumihinI use receipts also ;)16:51
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lcuki especially do it when im reading in the book store16:53
GAN800lcuk, somebody scrambled the room I'm trying to inventory.16:53
lcukbut i hate going back a few days later and my book has been moved16:53
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lcuki have to keep reading the same bits over and over16:53
GAN800Razumihin, these folks are looking for free advertising. Besides, we give away free bookmarks here. ;)16:53
GAN800Dog earing is evil.16:54
lcukGAN800, tracy used to maintain the delivery and stock for a large bookstore in uk, random assorted inventory stacked to the ceiling was quite common16:54
lcuk(or so i hear)16:54
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b-man16xD16:56
fiferboylbt: I finally got the the link stage on QWebKit, and it couldn't start it because I hadn't compile the phonon libraries yet!16:56
lbtheh16:56
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fiferboyNow I have to go through sql, qscript, etc before the dpkg-buildpackage gets to 3rdparty16:57
RazumihinGAN800: :)16:57
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lcuklbt / fiferboy why on earth do you guys spend sooooo long recompiling each piece multiple times, isnt half this stuff prebuilt and modularized?17:04
lbtwe don't ... make handles it17:04
lbtbut the linking is pretty heavy-duty17:05
lbtand in emulation it's slow17:05
fiferboylcuk: I don't generally recompile the entire source after a change, it's just my old method would not link webkit so I had to start over in qemu17:05
lbtQt isn't small17:05
lcuki know its not small, but all these heavy duty libraries sound like hard work17:06
lcukfor instance, i can link to sqlite and other libs eassily17:06
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fiferboyQt's sql module allows you to link to sqlite, mysql, etc using virtually the exact same code.17:07
fiferboyYou can even connect to different sql backends from a single application with a couple of settings in the app.17:07
lcukyeah fiferboy - i get that in windows with oledb etc17:08
fiferboyHave it use sqlite on the device, but also connect to a mysql server to copy/backup your work17:08
fiferboyBut the qt sql module will use almost all of the features of each database driver without having the limitations of a generic interface17:08
lcuk(for instance) what if i used advanced distributed transactions only available in sql server, they would fail with other dbms's tho17:09
fiferboyIf the db driver supports transactions you can use them, if it doesn't it will still work (just without transactions)17:10
fiferboyYou can also query what features the db driver you are using supports, and handle them differently if you need to.17:10
lcukyeah - thats the same with oledb, but if i call a transaction method on a non transaction aware backend errors are raised (for very good reason)17:11
lcukor if the backend supports it but i open it in the wrong way17:12
lcukwas just theoretical anyway, doesnt matter - i agree qt is wonderful in its crossplatformedness17:12
fiferboyThings will also be handled differently for drivers (like sqlite) that don't return how many rows a query has and drivers that do support that17:13
lcuki just think its heavy duty hearing about all the rebuilding17:13
fiferboyDefinitely too heavy to want to do a daily compile :)17:13
lcukyeah but wouldnt the .so for sqlite from yeasterday work17:13
fiferboyYes.  But I had to start the build from scratch.17:14
fiferboyOnce the first build is over, I will just rebuild the library I need17:14
fiferboyUnfortunately, the library I need it the one that take 1.3 GB (or something) to link17:14
lcukholy .... the kernel and most of maemo as a whole including all libs takes less than that!17:15
jeremiahlcuk: Yeah, python is used everywhere. But it runs slower on dual core than on single core.17:16
fiferboyAnd it is not really Qts fault, it is the webkit module that uses the same webkit (with qt interface) as other browsers17:16
jeremiahThat is a huge problem going forward17:16
jeremiahEspecially since even cell phone processors will be multi-core starting next year17:17
lcukheh jeremiah just wait until each single core in a dualy is faster than a single now17:17
lcukthen you cant complain17:17
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jeremiahlcuk: The problem is python's implementation of threads17:17
jeremiahThat is big and hairy.17:17
lcukjeremiah, something was lost in the mysts of time, it used to be expected for apps to share the workload around different co-processors17:17
X-Fadejeremiah: Most problems in python are not cpu related.17:17
X-Fadejeremiah: It is the huge io cost of starting python with all libs.17:18
jeremiahBut the GIL!17:18
X-FadeOnce it is running, it is mostly ok.17:18
jeremiahThat is the big, big problem.17:18
jeremiahIt does not scale to multi-core!17:18
X-Fadejeremiah: As is with every interpreter.17:18
jeremiahIts threading calls are just out to C and pthreads17:18
jeremiahThe internals are ten years old.17:19
jeremiahAnd Guido has no interest in updating them17:19
jeremiahhttp://blip.tv/file/223241017:19
jeremiahYou gotta read that ^^17:19
jeremiahAmazing.17:19
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Stskeepspypy17:21
lcukomg, its penguinbait, quick, hide17:21
lcukput all the contraband away17:21
penguinbaitI love contrband ;)17:21
b-man16hay penguinbait :D17:22
lcukhiya pb \o17:22
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penguinbaithowdy !17:22
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penguinbaitso who's gonna share the contraband17:23
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lcukgan has a stack of business cards im sure he would unload on you17:24
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ifvoidhi17:24
b-man16xDDDX17:24
ifvoidisn't gdb available for maemo?17:24
jeremiahTwo CPU-bound threads ~3.3 Million Mach System calls.17:25
jeremiahifvoid: If it isn't in -devel it should be in the SDK17:25
qwerty12_N810ifvoid: http://maemo.org/development/tools/17:25
ifvoidah17:25
ifvoidhm17:26
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ifvoidhttp://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/g/gdb/17:26
ifvoidhm17:26
lcukjeremiah, what are you wasting all those cycles to do?17:26
ifvoidI wonder why my apt-get doesn;t pick that up17:27
jeremiahifvoid: Is it in your sources.list? Did you do an apt-get update?17:27
ifvoidjup17:27
ifvoiddeb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo free non-free17:27
ifvoidthat should do the tric, right?17:27
jeremiahlcuk: That is a benchmark of python17:27
jeremiahifvoid: I don't see it physically on garage (i.e. in diablo)17:28
X-Fadejeremiah: it is in the sdk tools repo.17:29
X-Fadejeremiah: Which you don't see.17:29
ifvoidah, it's in tools/free17:29
ifvoidI see17:29
ifvoidnow it works17:30
ifvoidthanks!17:30
jeremiahYeah, the package that qwerty12_N810 gave you ifvoid shows you how to install17:30
jeremiahsorry, not the package, the URL17:30
lcukjeremiah, depends what syscalls i suppose but im happy with c17:30
jeremiahC is okay - but you have to write so much code for so little functionality. And you have to have a nasty toolchain which you hope is identical on the target17:31
fiferboyThat's why I code in cobol17:32
jeremiahStskeeps: How does pypy handle threading?17:33
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derfAs opposed to Python, where I have to upgrade half the packages in my distro to install a 100 line script?17:33
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jeremiahderf: Well, you have a point. :)17:33
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lcuklol17:35
amrsomeone needs to make a good bejewled clone17:35
amr:p17:35
lcukjeremiah, if it wasnt for the evil debian/ side of things, it would be really easy to get working in c17:35
jeremiahyeah, blame debian.17:35
lcuk:D17:36
jeremiahlcuk: Can I have a hit off of your crack pipe?17:36
lcuki know gnu is eviler for some things, but for the right reasons in both17:36
lcukjeremiah, course, i am serious abut native c dev, and have worked perfectly happily for months on device with it17:37
lcukif i could just copy the source folder to you and make it run i would prefer it17:37
lcukthat way your barrier of entry is lower too17:37
jeremiahlcuk: :)17:37
lcukcos the devkit is part of the install17:37
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* lcuk wont even mention wiki style code editing and distribution ;)17:39
b-man16hehe17:39
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jeremiahJaffa: ping17:55
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Talus_Laptopdoes anyone know if there is a cowpatty port for maemo?18:08
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Jaffajeremiah: pong, but just running out to a meeting18:20
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lbtjeremiah: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/UsingGitorious18:23
lbtnow with extra screenshots...18:23
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GAN800andre__, ping?18:56
andre__GAN800, pong18:58
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xnt14~seen b-man1619:19
infobotb-man16 <n=b-man@pool-71-124-32-204.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 40m 34s ago, saying: 'hehe'.19:19
xnt14:P19:20
* xnt14 just got back from english exams, soooo easy19:20
GAN800andre__, any template progress?19:24
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xnt14%unision_server("remote:on")19:29
xnt14[server]remote ip activated19:29
xnt14$apt-get upgrade19:29
xnt14[server]sending...19:30
xnt14done19:30
xnt14%unision_server("remote:off")19:30
xnt14upgraded my remote backup server :)19:30
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* timeless_mbp frowns19:33
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timeless_mbpGAN800: so, i've got a preliminary locale set19:33
xnt14:P19:34
* timeless_mbp sighs19:35
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xnt14%exec["ssh xceleo.com -c "echo hello | write bman17""];19:36
xnt14[server]output: no user bman1719:36
xnt14oops19:36
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: so um...19:53
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xnt14%version20:16
xnt14xd wrong term, I am starting to hate ssh20:17
xnt14%discipline20:17
xnt14%stop task=discipline20:17
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b-man16%version20:19
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b-man16hm20:19
xnt14:P20:19
xnt14[server]version: unision version 1.0 private beta20:19
b-man16%say hello20:19
xnt14[server]bad server! bad server! bad server!...20:19
xnt14[server]b-man16, version: unision version 1.0 private beta20:20
xnt14[server]say: hello20:20
b-man16lol20:20
xnt14wtf?20:20
xnt14stupid bugs20:20
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xnt14this is what happens if I try to write my own bot :P20:20
b-man16XDDD20:21
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xnt14%cmd ls /xs20:21
xnt14[server]admin  apps  broadcastinfo  locksc  message  shell  system  user20:21
xnt14awesome the ls command works :P20:21
xnt14well the %cmd20:21
xnt14direct entry to bash20:21
xnt14now to secure it from outsiders20:21
xnt14%acl_set cmd="%cmd" id=1920:22
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xnt14[server]Secured20:22
xnt14%join #unision20:22
xnt14%irc channel="unision" say="Hello!"20:23
xnt14:)20:23
timeless_mbpb-man16: ping20:24
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* xnt14 hides20:24
xnt14%lockdown20:24
* b-man16 can't stop laughing20:24
* b-man16 finally stops xD20:24
xnt14[server]Lockdown Initiated20:24
xnt14damn buggy bot20:24
xnt14now try a %cmd rm /20:25
xnt14if It rm's my root drive I'll Give you my n810 ;)20:25
inzxnt14, don't damn the product, damn the creator... oh wait...20:25
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b-man16timeless_mbp: pong20:25
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xnt14inz: :P20:26
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b-man16%say "hello"20:27
xnt14[server]b-man16, Sorry Lockdown is in effect20:28
b-man16rofl20:28
xnt14Yes!!! It works :)20:28
xnt14%cmd su20:28
xnt14[server]Segmentation Fault20:28
xnt14NOOOOOOOOOOOOO20:29
b-man16lol20:29
lcukif i do "make; make install"   is there a variation which can remove it again20:29
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xnt14%pipe tty520:29
xnt14[server]Done20:29
lcuk%pipe /dev/null20:30
* lcuk tries20:30
xnt14[server]lcuk: um, make clean /*?20:30
b-man16%say "Hi, lcuk!!"20:30
xnt14[server]say: Hi, lcuk20:31
b-man16lol20:31
xnt14[server]lcuk, please wait20:31
xnt14%stop task="%pipe"20:31
lcukmake clean /* will not try to remove the extra stuff not built tho20:31
xnt14%response id="789200"20:31
lcukie i never remove the /media files inserted into the .deb20:31
fiferboymake uninstall should remove the files copied during install20:32
xnt14[server]output: /dev/null: no such file or directory20:32
fiferboyNot sure if it needs a separate rule in the makefile, though20:32
lcukyeah fiferboy, i think it will need one20:32
b-man16%killall20:32
lcukbut if thats the standard syntax ill see about adding one, thanks20:32
fiferboyI've always used autotools for my makefiles ;)20:33
b-man16%pstree20:33
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xnt14unisionbot automatically querys output to you if its more than 2 lines20:33
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xnt14crap!!! unisionbot Is running as root o.020:34
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xnt14%setuid 220120:35
xnt14[server]success20:35
xnt14%cmd whoami20:35
xnt14[server]output: xnt20:35
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b-man16%cmd echo hello, world!!20:36
xnt14[server]output: echo hello,20:36
xnt14bug....again....20:36
xnt14the exclamation marks...20:36
b-man16%cmd echo "hello, world"20:37
xnt14%me says hello20:37
* xnt14[server] says hello20:37
GeneralAntillesxnt14, enough.20:37
xnt14:)20:37
xnt14GA: ok20:37
GeneralAntillesxnt14, take it to a private channel.20:37
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xnt14wait, I thought the bot abuse only counted on infobot?20:37
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GeneralAntillesSpam is spam20:38
xnt14ok20:38
GeneralAntillesMost people don't appreciate the non-bot spam we generate in here.20:38
* xnt14 goes to #unision20:38
xnt14let me just tell it to mute this channel20:38
xnt14%mute #maemo20:38
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xnt14ok done20:38
xnt14now it won't listen to this channel or say anything :)20:39
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lbtlcuk: there is rarely an effective make uninstall20:59
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lcuklbt - dpkg manages it21:01
lbtlcuk try http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/6038321:01
lcukand since a .deb is built up from running make install21:01
lbtit's not actually :)21:02
lbtit's built by fooling make install and then doing it properly21:02
lbthence all the fakeroot trickery etc etc...21:02
lcukwell if you remove the list of files from the make install section then it wont do it ;)21:02
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coldbootWhen building Qt in Scratchbox 2, I get this error: /home/nhooey/code/oss/qt-x11/bin/moc: /home/nhooey/.maemo-sdk/rootstraps/i386/diablo4.1.2_i386/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)21:06
coldbootThis is from within the runtime, by typing `maemo-sdk enter runtime'.21:06
coldboot`sb2 -e make` and `sb2 make` also render the same error.21:07
coldbootHow would Qt's build system know about the .maemo-sdk directory for scratchbox?21:08
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coldbootHow do you use fakeroot from within sb2?21:32
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thopiekarhi coldboot.. I'm sorry that nobody is responsing.. I can't help you as well because I use sb1 just sometimes for simple builds..21:34
coldbootIt seems like nobody uses scratchbox 2.21:35
fiferboyI've never used sb2, and I haven't heard a whole lot of success stories here21:35
thopiekartrue :P21:35
fiferboycoldboot: I am building Qt4 using qemu right now.  It is slow, but it seems to be working.21:36
coldbootfiferboy: How did you use qemu? What did you do?21:36
fiferboyhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build21:36
fiferboyI followed the instructions on that page21:37
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coldbootWhy are you using something to do with OpenSUSE?21:38
fiferboyThe OpenSUSE build service is what Mer uses to build its packages21:38
fiferboyIt makes it easy to build a package for a different architecture either locally or (I think) remotely21:39
fiferboyThe istructions on that Mer wiki page are really good to get you up and running21:41
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coldbootI have to build Qt for sb2 because I'm tracking down a Qt bug that only manifests on sb2 and on the nokia device.21:43
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coldbootYeah, sb2 has a lot of problems, it's a pain in the ass.21:43
fiferboyYou can build with OpenSUSE build service then transfer the libraries or install the debs on the device21:44
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xnt14testing 12321:52
xnt14guys that is me testing my irc client21:52
xnt14based off of http://tools.suckless.org/sic21:52
xnt14and sending messages doesn't work :(21:52
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xnt14but that works :P21:53
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FireFoxlol21:56
* FireFox runs ii21:56
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DavidePalmhey is there a C++ compiler for the N800?21:59
Corsacg++ ?21:59
DavidePalmsure21:59
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DavidePalmis it available?21:59
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timeless_mbpin the repositories...22:02
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DavidePalmtimeless_mbp what is it called? what repository is it in?22:02
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johnsqHi22:05
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thopiekarDavidePalm: you can install it with the maemo-cplusplus-device-env package in your app manager..22:06
thopiekar* hopefully :P22:07
DavidePalmoh wow idk how I missed it :P22:07
DavidePalmthanks installing right now22:07
DavidePalmI was looking for +22:07
DavidePalmnot plus22:07
thopiekarno problem22:07
DavidePalmlol22:07
thopiekar:P22:07
DavidePalmso is this command line based?22:07
thopiekarthink so..22:07
DavidePalmkk22:08
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thopiekarcu!22:08
DavidePalmthanks much!22:08
thopiekarnp :P22:08
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xnt15Hello, Everyone. Im writing this via an echo command on the terminal22:14
xnt14:)22:14
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coldbootI'm writing this from a satellite that I've ssh'd to.22:18
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DavidePalmanyone use Cpp compiler on the tablet?22:19
DavidePalmor C compiler22:19
johnsqDavidePalm: yes why?22:19
xnt14xD22:19
DavidePalmjohnsq I'm noob at this.. trying to figure out how to use it...   I've just started an intro to C/C++ class so I know nothing..22:20
Luke-JrDavidePalm: I compiled my tablet's entire OS on my tablet.22:20
xnt14DavidePalm, b-man compiles LFS(linux from scratch) on his tablet22:20
DavidePalmwas wondering if I could use the tablet for it22:20
xnt14apt-get install gcc?22:20
DavidePalmoh gcc?22:20
DavidePalmI installed this maemo-cplusplus-device-env22:20
Luke-Jrjohnsq: we can hijack this channel :D22:21
DavidePalmPackage gcc is not available, but is referred to by another package...22:21
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johnsqLuke-Jr: okay, I have complete gentoo compiled and upto date, console is running22:22
DavidePalmso do I have what I need already? with maemo-cplusplus-device-env?  johnsq Luke-Jr22:22
Luke-JrDavidePalm: we both use Gentoo, not Maemo or Mer22:22
DavidePalmoh22:22
Luke-Jrjohnsq: ok22:22
DavidePalm=/22:22
DavidePalmso I cant do this?22:23
johnsqLuke-Jr: ts-lib-999 from overlay didn't compile some file is missing in the svn.22:23
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Luke-Jrjohnsq: can you pastebin the error?22:23
DavidePalmI have easy debian22:23
Luke-JrDavidePalm: probably can22:23
Luke-JrDavidePalm: but as far as packages goes, you'll need to ask someone else I think22:23
johnsqDavidePalm: sorry can't help, but i have seen a gcc package for maemo22:23
Luke-JrDavidePalm: unless you want to install Gentoo XD22:23
DavidePalmall right... any chance you know what repository it's in?22:24
johnsqLuke-Jr: I know the error. A file is missing.22:24
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DavidePalmLuke-Jr how easy is it to install gentoo?22:24
Luke-JrDavidePalm: about as easy as on a desktop machine22:24
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Luke-Jrjohnsq: whatever info you might know, you're not telling me much :รพ22:24
DavidePalmLuke-Jr, how much space would I need, and whould I have to wipe out everything else?22:25
xnt15hello22:25
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Luke-JrDavidePalm: I recommend an 8 GB SD card22:25
johnsqLuke-Jr: sorry. i'm typing slow. ts-lib from genotoo didn't work, have you xserver running?22:25
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Luke-Jrjohnsq: yes22:25
Luke-Jrjohnsq: what file is missing?22:25
* qwerty12_N810 recommends allocating a lot of time too22:25
DavidePalmxnt15 are you related to xnt14? :P22:25
xnt14um yes22:26
xnt14I'm writing my "custom" irc client22:26
johnsqLuke-Jr: moment, must search it together.22:26
xnt14and thats my test acc22:26
DavidePalmLuke-Jr I might ask you for some about that when I have more time :)  thanks for your suggerstions guys22:26
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xnt15Im testing xnt-irc-client xD22:26
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DavidePalmall right gtg22:27
DavidePalm:)22:27
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johnsqLuke-Jr: you can forget, svn from ts-lib got the missing file 3hours ago.22:27
Luke-JrO.o22:28
johnsqLuke-Jr: With gentoo the touchpad isn't working mouse is at wrong position, i hope with svn version it is better.22:28
johnsqLuke-Jr: man package from gentoo have missing keywords, i just forced arm :), hope they are working. fe. fuse rxvt-unicode.22:29
johnsqs/man/many/22:29
infobotjohnsq meant: Luke-Jr: many package from gentoo have missing keywords, i just forced arm :), hope they are working. fe. fuse rxvt-unicode.22:29
Luke-Jryou mean forced x86?22:29
johnsqLuke-Jr: no I add them to /etc/package.keywords22:30
Luke-Jrdoing that won't help missing keywords unless you add them as x8622:30
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johnsqLuke-Jr: I use >=sys-fs/fuse-2.7.4     **22:31
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Luke-Jrjohnsq: oh, very bad22:32
Luke-JrI would do: sys-fs/fuse x8622:32
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johnsqLuke-Jr: okay next goal xserver with fluxbox and rxvt22:35
coldbootIt seems fakeroot won't work in Scratchbox 2, even if you build it from source.22:35
coldbootIs there another way to dpkg-buildpackage?22:35
timeless_mbphttps://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/mica-devel/2009-February/000613.html ?22:37
timeless_mbphttp://osdir.com/ml/compilers.scratchbox.devel/2007-01/msg00000.html22:39
timeless_mbpodd22:39
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jeremiahcoldboot: Yeah, you can create packages a number of ways.22:54
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jeremiahcoldboot: debuild, dh-make22:54
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jeremiah Ah, but you want to get past fakeroot.22:54
lbtjeremiah.... http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/UsingGitorious22:54
jeremiahAre you using -rfakeroot?22:54
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jeremiahlbt: Cool!22:55
jeremiahAwesome.22:55
lbthttp://wiki.maemo.org/images/d/d8/Mer-lbt-gitk-glib.png22:55
jeremiahIts not complicated enough for me, can you add some more source trees?22:56
jeremiahkthx!22:56
lbthttp://wiki.maemo.org/images/8/8b/Mer-lbt-gitk-him.png22:56
lbtactually I'm hoping it is fairly simple...22:56
lbtand you's an expert...22:56
lbtso I would *really* appreciate some review and feedback :)22:57
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lbtadmittedly there are a *lot* of interconnected simple things.... which makes it complex22:57
jeremiahI's no expert. But I will clone the repo22:59
jeremiahAnd check it out.22:59
jeremiahCan I turn it into an iso and then boot it in virtual box or what is one doing these days?23:00
qwerty12_N810I just use the vmdk directly :P23:00
lbtthis is just a library using vcs-pkg type stuff23:00
lbtso you can do it in Debian23:01
lbt(I do)23:01
jeremiahqwerty12_N810: Is there a vmdk? cool23:03
qwerty12_N810yep, at http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.14 :)23:04
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jeremiahlbt: Is there just a simple URL to clone from?23:07
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FireFoxLuke-jr: i'm having a problem with layman - could you help?23:07
johnsqFireFox: what?23:08
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lbthttp://gitorious.org/~lbt/mer/glib2_0-mer23:09
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lbtoops23:09
FireFoxi've added the n8x0 overlay but portage cant find it23:09
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lbthttp://gitorious.org/mer/hildon-input-method23:09
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johnsqFireFox: layman -a n8x0 then you must add source ... to make.conf.23:09
lbtthen that tells you : git clone git://gitorious.org/mer/hildon-input-method.git23:09
FireFoxi did23:10
johnsqFireFox: than emerge -pv n8x0-env should work23:10
FireFoxok thanks :)23:10
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FireFoxemerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "n8x0-env".23:12
FireFoxhmm23:12
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johnsqFireFox: /usr/locale/portage/layman should exist23:13
FireFoxit does23:13
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johnsqFireFox: and /usr/local/portage/layman/n8x0/23:14
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FireFoxit's there23:14
ProteousFireFox: and /usr/local/johnsq/pr0n/thegoodstuff/23:14
FireFoxrofl23:15
johnsqhehe its on network /mnt/p0rn/23:15
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FireFoxanyways, any idea of why i have this problem?23:17
johnsqFireFox: sorry no. layman -i n8x0 shows nice thing? layman -S does an update?23:18
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FireFoxyup23:20
solarionalsa does more than 2 channel-audio, right?23:20
zakkmsolarion: as support, yes23:21
solarionzakkm: "as support"?  What do you mean?23:21
zakkmalsa supports more than 2 channel.23:21
solarionspecifically, I'm framing a response for an amd guy at http://blogs.amd.com/home/2009/06/16/turning-it-up-to-11/comment-page-1/#comment-224)23:21
solarionIt looks like perhaps he is saying that the current amd maui driver only does 2 channels, but later he says "Once we can move beyond 2 ch. of audio in Linux"23:22
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johnsqFireFox: you can give the complete path to emerge. emerge -pv /usr/local/portage/layman/n8x0/sys-apps/n8x0-env/n8x0-env-0.4.ebuild23:23
FireFoxok23:23
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FireFox"!!! /usr/local/portage/layman/n8x0/sys-apps/n8x0-env/n8x0-env-0.4.ebuild is not in a valid portage tree hierarchy or does not exist"23:26
FireFoxhmm23:26
FireFoxit exists23:26
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johnsqFireFox: sure that source /usr/local/portage/layman/make.conf is the last line in make.conf?23:27
FireFoxah, wait it, it got commented out23:29
* FireFox fixes it xD23:29
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zakkmeww portage?23:29
zakkmah wait nevermind ]23:29
johnsqFireFox: the first I said :>23:29
zakkmwas thinking of something else23:29
zakkmadding overlays?23:29
johnsqn8x0 overlay23:30
zakkmlayman isnt that hard to ouse23:30
zakkmlayman -a ___ layman -s  then emerge23:30
zakkmgentoo on tablet is worth it?23:30
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johnsqzakkm: no, but archlinux was too hard and debian haven't i used since years.23:32
zakkmtheres mer?23:32
zakkmarchlinux doesnt have armel support :P23:32
zakkmyou cant do it even if you wanted to23:32
johnsqits the same, old stuff in package.23:32
FireFox"!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "sys-apps/nit-bootmenu-compat" have been masked."23:32
FireFoxhm23:32
zakkmFirefox: unmask it23:32
zakkmuse autounmask .. nice little command23:33
zakkmor just unmask all from make.conf23:33
zakkmACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~ARM"23:33
zakkmi thinkit would be arm, maybe armel23:33
johnsq~ARM is it23:33
infobot...but arm is already something else...23:33
zakkmi dont know tablet exactly23:34
zakkmi just know gentoo on desktop23:34
FireFoxautounmask <package> ?23:34
zakkmautounmask sys-apps/nit-bootmenu-compat23:34
FireFoxARM11=armel23:34
zakkmbut is that what they call it?23:34
zakkmfor packages23:34
FireFoxah, ok23:34
johnsqFireFox: make.conf KEYWORDS="~arm"23:34
zakkmACCEPT_KEYWORDS***23:35
zakkmnot just KEYWORDS23:35
johnsqright ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~arm", i have copied from the ebuild23:35
zakkmdangerous to do, but hopefully it wont break anything23:35
FireFoxwohoo!! it works!! :D23:38
zakkmlame23:38
zakkm:D23:38
johnsqhours later :)23:38
zakkmtoo much time compiling ;p23:39
johnsqwithout the maemo stuff, its much faster.23:39
zakkmheh23:40
FireFoxi've waited a whole day for glibc - 2 hours is nothing ;)23:41
johnsqhe hasn't booted gentoo yet, he is still working in a chroot behind all the maemo application23:41
FireFoxemerge complains about /usr/lib/libsandbox.so missing btw23:41
FireFoxbut it said it's harmless23:41
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johnsqLuke-Jr: xserver running. any ebuild for keyboard?23:58
zakkmjohnsq: no n810?23:59
johnsqI have n810 but the fn key isn't yet working23:59

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