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| parigaudi | hi | 00:21 |
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| parigaudi | i just got a bluetooth usb dongle and would like to use it to connect my n810 to internet (my pc being the gateway) | 00:22 |
| parigaudi | searching around for the configuration for this, i've found quite mixed info that doesn't really help me | 00:22 |
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| parigaudi | for one: on the pc side (linux) i have bluez and pand | 00:23 |
| parigaudi | but if i understand correctly, there's no pand any more for maemo and one has to use some weird dbus stuff there ? | 00:24 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 00:44 |
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| coldboot | I found an extremely obscure bug that only happens in Scratchbox 2 or on the nokia device. | 00:48 |
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| coldboot | When you click on the "Hello" button once or twice, in Scratchbox 2 or on the device, then click on the white square, which is a QTableView, you will see a brief flash. This is because the code is calling QMainWindow::setCentralWidget() and starting a QEventLoop. Here's the source: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/17699/qt-bug-test-table.tar.bz2 | 00:52 |
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| etrunko | does anyone know more about hildon-desktop[30560]: GLIB WARNING ** ClutterGLX - Pixmap with depth bellow 24 are not supported | 01:25 |
| lcuk | etrunko, clutter works on full color images possibly? | 01:27 |
| * lcuk would read it that way | 01:28 | |
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| etrunko | lcuk: yeah, looking at the clutter code it's exactly what happens | 01:32 |
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| etrunko | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/clutter0.8/clutter/glx/clutter-glx-texture-pixmap.c | 01:32 |
| lcuk | your engine is 16bit isnt it | 01:33 |
| lcuk | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=CLUTTER_TEXTURE_FLAG_16_BIT | 01:33 |
| etrunko | lcuk: yup | 01:33 |
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| lcuk | what happens if you disable clutter? | 01:33 |
| lcuk | this theoretical gamemode which would shutdown the compositing | 01:33 |
| lcuk | or you could rendering into an rgb xvideo plane if it exists on device | 01:34 |
| lcuk | or are you wanting clutterygoodness :D | 01:34 |
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| etrunko | lcuk: hmmm.. will try to disable it | 01:35 |
| lcuk | not sure of consequencies yet | 01:35 |
| lcuk | its just being formulated for people who want gl | 01:35 |
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| smackpotat | will noki repair a bricked device | 02:02 |
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| xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 | 02:56 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man@pool-71-124-32-204.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 8h 47m 35s ago, saying: 'awesome :)'. | 02:56 |
| xnt14 | xD | 02:56 |
| * xnt14 sits down and tries emacs | 02:56 | |
| locutus | on a n810? :P | 02:57 |
| xnt14 | um no :P | 02:57 |
| xnt14 | desktop | 02:57 |
| xnt14 | apt-get install emacs | 02:57 |
| xnt14 | reading database... | 02:57 |
| xnt14 | :P | 02:57 |
| locutus | i know what emacs is | 02:57 |
| locutus | i use XEmacs | 02:58 |
| xnt14 | I know | 02:58 |
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| * xnt14 will try to get emacs running on an n810 later | 02:59 | |
| xnt14 | xmonad + emacs = ? | 02:59 |
| xnt14 | nah | 02:59 |
| xnt14 | how about porting (real) x to maemo? | 03:00 |
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| xnt14 | so them we can run xmonad on our nits :P | 03:00 |
| xnt14 | or dwm if you prefer | 03:00 |
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| xnt14 | well ill try dwm later, I also prefer c instead of Haskell | 03:00 |
| xnt14 | Haskell = confusing | 03:01 |
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| Firebird | xorg is written in haskell? | 03:13 |
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| philv | Hrmn, anyone ever had their n810 refuse to acquire a GPS fix? I seem to get two satellites but that's it, indoors or out | 04:22 |
| LinuxCode | philv, wait 20 mins | 04:23 |
| LinuxCode | mine is rubbish like that | 04:23 |
| nomis | philv: and make sure that your clock is set correctly. | 04:23 |
| nomis | oh wait, I actually might have confused that with a problem on a tomtom. | 04:24 |
| Noike | N810 is not mature product! Have many hw prob | 04:25 |
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| philv | LinuxCode: I've left it for about 3 hours now | 04:25 |
| philv | Sitting on a window sill | 04:25 |
| LinuxCode | philv, widow sill might not do | 04:25 |
| philv | It refused to acquire a fix for the last few weeks, even when driving to/from work, for example. | 04:25 |
| * LinuxCode manged to only get a lock once | 04:25 | |
| LinuxCode | philv, yeh ;-| | 04:25 |
| LinuxCode | the gps feature is rather disappointing | 04:25 |
| philv | It just annoys me, as it was working flawlessly up until then | 04:26 |
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| nomis | up until *when*? | 04:26 |
| philv | Four weeks ago maybe? | 04:27 |
| nomis | some random timepoint where you actually did nothing? ;-) | 04:27 |
| philv | hehe | 04:27 |
| philv | I took it on a reasonably long road trip two months ago, and it worked then | 04:27 |
| philv | and I seem to have a work route saved from mid-may | 04:27 |
| nomis | philv: I haven't tried recently, but it used to work okay'ish for me as well. Have you ever experimented with the agps software? | 04:28 |
| philv | Not other than opening it up | 04:28 |
| philv | I normally use Maemo Mapper | 04:28 |
| Noike | Other flaw of n810 is in flash part. Warn you all! | 04:29 |
| nomis | philv: try setting your rough location with the a-gps application and make sure that your clock is set correctly (timezone *and* time). Cannot hurt. | 04:30 |
| nomis | Noike: you mean the wrong partitioning of the flash? | 04:30 |
| nomis | is that still not fixed? | 04:30 |
| * nomis fixed it manually= | 04:30 | |
| philv | I think that issue has long since been fixed | 04:31 |
| philv | If not, it's an easy fix to do by hand ;) | 04:31 |
| * nomis nods | 04:31 | |
| LinuxCode | wrong partitoning ? | 04:34 |
| philv | One of the partitions extended into lala land, ISTR. | 04:34 |
| Noike | Somehow you could easily bricked your n8xx | 04:35 |
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| philv | Hrmn, clearing the almanac (I guess it is...) in /var/lib/gps seems to have helped | 04:35 |
| nomis | LinuxCode: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2940 | 04:36 |
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| * lcuk bashed head against wall and goes to bed | 04:37 | |
| lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/chinook/libliqbase_0.3.4/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt | 04:37 |
| * nomis avoids the bashing head part but goes to bed as well. Night all. | 04:38 | |
| * b-man16 waits for openembedded on his tablet to update 6,894 files before building nano :P | 04:41 | |
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| b-man16 | so far, 4580/6894 | 04:51 |
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| nikosapi | hey, what's the /dev device for the n810's internal flash? | 05:53 |
| n6pfk | /dev/mmc/blk0 | 05:57 |
| n6pfk | oops, /dev/mmcblko | 05:57 |
| n6pfk | 0 | 05:57 |
| n6pfk | 0 not o | 05:58 |
| n6pfk | df will report it. | 05:58 |
| nikosapi | isn't that one of the sd cards? | 05:58 |
| n6pfk | You're right | 05:59 |
| n6pfk | df should show it. | 05:59 |
| n6pfk | or mount. | 06:00 |
| nikosapi | I'm booting off a flash card because I borked the distro that's on the internal flash | 06:00 |
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| nikosapi | the distro that's installed on the internal flash stops booting right before the picture of the two hands is displayed | 06:01 |
| n6pfk | Oh, can't you just reflash it over the usb. | 06:01 |
| nikosapi | it's rather annoying | 06:01 |
| nikosapi | I don't want to reflash :P | 06:01 |
| nikosapi | at least not before I back up my data | 06:01 |
| n6pfk | Are u gonna try a root change? | 06:02 |
| n6pfk | chroot. | 06:02 |
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| nikosapi | yep, that's the plan | 06:02 |
| n6pfk | Sounds like fun. Good luck. | 06:02 |
| nikosapi | does anyone here have a NIT that they can run "mount" on? | 06:03 |
| n6pfk | I use mount and uount from a root terminal. | 06:03 |
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| n6pfk | umount. | 06:04 |
| nikosapi | yeah, but I'd just like to know what device is mounted on / for a regular NIT | 06:04 |
| n6pfk | I think it's sda1. | 06:05 |
| n6pfk | But not sure. | 06:05 |
| nikosapi | it's not that | 06:05 |
| n6pfk | try mounting /dev/sda1. | 06:05 |
| n6pfk | Should be a jffs2 file system. | 06:06 |
| nikosapi | there's no such device on a NIT | 06:06 |
| n6pfk | Ok I will power mine up and look around. | 06:07 |
| nikosapi | thanks | 06:08 |
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| Luke-Jr | nikosapi: ls /dev/mtdblk* | 06:09 |
| Luke-Jr | Any idea where to find a handy ARM reference? | 06:09 |
| n6pfk | /dev/mtdblock4 | 06:10 |
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| * Luke-Jr ponders using UBD to improve the wear | 06:10 | |
| nikosapi | n6pfk: worked, thanks :D | 06:10 |
| Luke-Jr | nikosapi: you probably don't want to use that much | 06:10 |
| nikosapi | use what? | 06:11 |
| Luke-Jr | nikosapi: /dev/mtdblock* | 06:11 |
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| nikosapi | why's that? | 06:11 |
| Luke-Jr | nikosapi: it's raw flash memory | 06:11 |
| Luke-Jr | it will go bad if you abuse it :รพ | 06:12 |
| nikosapi | ok, I *promise* I'll be gentle | 06:12 |
| * b-man` is going to scream - my tablet crashed in the middle of bitbake updating it's cache - approximatly 6,894 files - and now has to wait 3 hours for it to restore :P | 06:12 | |
| * b-man` decides to trash openembedded and go back to gentoo | 06:12 | |
| Luke-Jr | lol | 06:13 |
| Luke-Jr | b-man`: are you seriously trying to use bitbake on your TABLET? | 06:13 |
| b-man` | ....yes | 06:13 |
| Luke-Jr | Portage is bad, but bitbake.. wtf are you THINKING | 06:13 |
| Luke-Jr | bitbake demands GBs of memory just for itsefl | 06:13 |
| b-man` | i wasn't XD | 06:14 |
| b-man` | that's partly why i'm trashing it XD | 06:14 |
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| b-man` | it's horrible | 06:14 |
| Luke-Jr | lulz | 06:14 |
| nikosapi | Is there a way to enable some sort of logging on maemo? I'd really like to know where my NIT is getting stuck. | 06:17 |
| nikosapi | This isn't the first time this has happened and I really don't want to reflash :( | 06:17 |
| b-man` | at least with portage i can actually build software without waiting 5 days for it to updating itself every friggen time it builds a package | 06:17 |
| Luke-Jr | LOL | 06:17 |
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| b-man` | rm -rf /mnt/mer/oe/openembedded DIE!! DIE!! DIE!! | 06:20 |
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| * Luke-Jr watches b-man` have his root system bind-mounted, and destroey | 06:21 | |
| b-man` | nah, it mostly corrupted my mer install XP | 06:22 |
| b-man` | because bitbake crashed it | 06:23 |
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| b-man` | ~burn bitbake | 06:24 |
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| b-man` | infobot: burn bitbake | 06:27 |
| * b-man` pours gasoline all over bitbake, ignites the fire, and then enjoys the awesome blaze | 06:29 | |
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| FireFox3 | Luke-Jr kicked my from #anime because he thinks firefox sucks XD | 07:21 |
| nikosapi | what's better in his opinion? | 07:22 |
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| Proteous | ssh on my n97 ftw | 07:39 |
| Proteous | no hardware alt or cntrl keys though | 07:39 |
| Proteous | despite all the people complaining about the cpu speed, the web browsing is snapier then my n810 | 07:40 |
| Proteous | and so far I think I like the keyboard better | 07:41 |
| Macer | Proteous: uhm | 07:45 |
| Macer | download symbian putty | 07:45 |
| Macer | oh you said no hw putty | 07:46 |
| Macer | er keys | 07:46 |
| Macer | doesnt the n97 have a crappier cam than the n95? | 07:46 |
| Proteous | yeah, I'm using putty | 07:47 |
| Macer | like. no flash and less mp or something? | 07:47 |
| Proteous | it,s 5mp and quite nice | 07:47 |
| Macer | and no 3d accel? | 07:47 |
| Macer | ah ok | 07:47 |
| Proteous | with duale led flash | 07:47 |
| Macer | ok. must have been the n96 | 07:47 |
| Proteous | no 3d accel,yeah | 07:47 |
| Macer | 'the step backwards' | 07:48 |
| Proteous | heh | 07:48 |
| Macer | so it is an updated n95 then? | 07:48 |
| Proteous | not a big deal for me | 07:48 |
| Macer | w/ dvd quality vid? | 07:48 |
| Macer | my n95 takes amazing video for a phone | 07:48 |
| Proteous | and the big feature for me, a keyboard | 07:48 |
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| Proteous | for ssh | 07:49 |
| Macer | oh. it has a qwerty? | 07:49 |
| Proteous | yeah... | 07:49 |
| Macer | wow. thats pretty awesome | 07:49 |
| Proteous | and a high res screen | 07:49 |
| rdvonz_ | is there a way for me to use the n810 like a wireless card? so it can | 07:49 |
| rdvonz_ | connect to the router, I can connect it via usb or something then use it to | 07:49 |
| rdvonz_ | connect my pc to the internet? | 07:49 |
| Macer | what freqs? | 07:49 |
| Macer | does it support tmob 3G? | 07:49 |
| Proteous | no | 07:49 |
| Macer | damn | 07:49 |
| Proteous | sadly | 07:49 |
| Proteous | just att | 07:50 |
| Macer | wtf nokia? :) | 07:50 |
| Macer | yah | 07:50 |
| Macer | my n95 too | 07:50 |
| Proteous | tmobile edge works | 07:50 |
| Macer | yeah | 07:50 |
| Macer | screw that tho | 07:50 |
| Proteous | ssh doesnt need 3g heh | 07:50 |
| Macer | i take it with me when i need to take pics or video | 07:50 |
| Macer | tethering does ;) | 07:50 |
| Macer | as does voip | 07:50 |
| Proteous | right now I am at home on wifi | 07:50 |
| Proteous | yeah | 07:51 |
| Macer | i couldnt keep att | 07:51 |
| Proteous | atts data plan rates suck | 07:51 |
| Macer | their data sucks period | 07:51 |
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| Macer | in chicago it is horrible | 07:51 |
| Macer | constant drops from voice and data while stationary | 07:52 |
| Proteous | its preetty nice here in the san fran area | 07:52 |
| Macer | they blamed my (at the time) $550 n95 | 07:52 |
| Macer | lol | 07:52 |
| Proteous | ... | 07:52 |
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| Macer | so i used their pos 3g razr and had the same problem | 07:53 |
| Proteous | heh | 07:53 |
| Proteous | I'm probably just going to use edge so I can keep a ssh session going constantly and still have battery at the end of the day | 07:54 |
| Proteous | well see how it goes | 07:54 |
| Proteous | er, we'll | 07:55 |
| Macer | i thought edge blocks the voice channel | 07:55 |
| Proteous | it might, we'll see | 07:56 |
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| thux | morning | 09:36 |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 09:51 |
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| Stskeeps | morning X-Fade | 09:58 |
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| RST38h | ehlo Sts | 10:24 |
| jaem | hello folks | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | ehlo RST38h | 10:25 |
| zakkm | hey guys :) | 10:25 |
| jaem | hey zakkm | 10:26 |
| zakkm | hey jaem :) | 10:26 |
| jaem | my uni's engineering department is running a photography contest :D | 10:30 |
| zakkm | intersting | 10:30 |
| jaem | which has gotten me started using Flickr | 10:30 |
| jaem | which reminds me... is there yet any way to browse cameras on Maemo? | 10:31 |
| jaem | or at least Mer? | 10:31 |
| jaem | I saw an app that worked with a few models... | 10:31 |
| zakkm | browse cameras? | 10:31 |
| jaem | pictures on cameras* | 10:31 |
| jaem | my card reader is too current-hungry to run from the OTG port | 10:32 |
| jaem | and I don't feel like buying a new one at the moment | 10:32 |
| zakkm | picture viewing app? | 10:33 |
| zakkm | cant you stick memory card into nokia? | 10:33 |
| jaem | full-size SD | 10:33 |
| jaem | I have an N810 | 10:33 |
| zakkm | oh | 10:34 |
| zakkm | cut it :D | 10:34 |
| jaem | and besides, I boot from the external | 10:34 |
| jaem | um... | 10:34 |
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| jaem | :/ | 10:34 |
| zakkm | cant that work if you cut it right? | 10:34 |
| jaem | even the good brand (OCZ) is flimsy enough - and even if it wouldn't irreversibly damage the internals, that would still be a terrible idea | 10:34 |
| jaem | lol | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | can't you just connect your camera directly through f-f? :P | 10:34 |
| zakkm | jaem: ill mail you my f-f adapter if your use it :P | 10:35 |
| jaem | yes, but it uses PTP, not mass storage, or anything nice like that | 10:35 |
| jaem | zakkm: thank - I have one | 10:35 |
| zakkm | have you tried? | 10:35 |
| jaem | a nasty yellow colour, but it's the standard budget model, available through NCIX and DX | 10:35 |
| jaem | yeah | 10:35 |
| zakkm | you could always get those eye-fi wifi cards for camera :D | 10:36 |
| jaem | I believe those are Windows-only on the PC side | 10:36 |
| zakkm | got my f-f adapter at the source, dang people didnt know they existed lol | 10:36 |
| jaem | but otherwise that might work | 10:36 |
| jaem | well, it /is/ the Source | 10:36 |
| zakkm | i went to like 5 computer stores "that doesnt exist" "that wouldnt do anything they couldnt read eachother" | 10:36 |
| jaem | you're lucky if they know the difference between SPST and SPDT switches | 10:36 |
| jaem | hahaha | 10:37 |
| jaem | figures | 10:37 |
| zakkm | but to say it doesnt exist? | 10:37 |
| zakkm | they can say oh i never seen one, i didnt know they existed | 10:37 |
| zakkm | or i never heard of it | 10:37 |
| zakkm | they were like so certain it didnt exist / it wouldnt work at all | 10:37 |
| jaem | well, if they hadn't heard of OTG, they might well presume it would be useless | 10:37 |
| jaem | but even then, it would probably exist for odd corner-cases | 10:37 |
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| jaem | by the way... http://www.flickr.com/photos/ffejery/3630191549/sizes/l/ | 10:38 |
| zakkm | one guy at uhh staples? hes like trying to help me find it but he keeps finding male to male / female to male | 10:38 |
| zakkm | whichwouldnt do me any good | 10:38 |
| zakkm | what is that? | 10:38 |
| jaem | it's a retro calculator screen | 10:38 |
| jaem | likely early 80s, but I'm not sure | 10:39 |
| jaem | maybe older | 10:39 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: would you know if its possible to port normal gtk themes onto maemo? | 10:39 |
| jaem | it's one of my entries for the aforementioned contest | 10:39 |
| * jaem would like to know too | 10:39 | |
| zakkm | aforementioned? | 10:39 |
| jaem | mentioned before | 10:39 |
| zakkm | the photography one? | 10:39 |
| jaem | yes | 10:39 |
| jaem | the photo is entitled "7-SEG" | 10:39 |
| zakkm | at least have it have some sick numbers :P | 10:39 |
| zakkm | oh | 10:40 |
| zakkm | okay :D | 10:40 |
| jaem | do you get it? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: you will need to put a lot of gtk grease on top | 10:40 |
| zakkm | segment? | 10:40 |
| zakkm | gtk grease how? | 10:40 |
| zakkm | elaborate please | 10:40 |
| jaem | most people just ask "what does seven-point-five-three-nine mean?" | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | as in go look at the deb file / gtkrc of a hildon theme | 10:40 |
| zakkm | im sure gtkrc would need editing cause of positioning and all | 10:40 |
| jaem | zakkm: oil the bits - they'll work better | 10:40 |
| jaem | XD | 10:40 |
| zakkm | but is it just the gtkrc thats required changing? | 10:41 |
| Macer | ugh. i am still setting up this harmony remote | 10:41 |
| zakkm | wooh | 10:41 |
| zakkm | those are expensive | 10:41 |
| Macer | not really | 10:41 |
| Macer | i got a 520... it wasn't that bad | 10:41 |
| zakkm | Macer: i cant find any full episodes of it, i searched like everywhere | 10:41 |
| Macer | wow seriously? :) | 10:41 |
| zakkm | yeah | 10:41 |
| jaem | "Are your bits not flipping? Try our new WD-%101000!" | 10:41 |
| Macer | bits not flipping haha | 10:42 |
| zakkm | why is it bits? | 10:42 |
| jaem | it doesn't have to be | 10:42 |
| jaem | you could take just a nybble | 10:42 |
| jaem | or byte right into it | 10:42 |
| jaem | but I might have to have a word with you | 10:42 |
| Macer | zakkm: i dunno man. i think watching a few episodes on youtube is the best you're probably going to get | 10:43 |
| Macer | :) | 10:43 |
| zakkm | Macer: yeah that would be okay, but i saw them all lol | 10:43 |
| Macer | it wasn't an actual series. it was just a couple of episodes on dateline | 10:43 |
| * jaem wishes "dynner" hadn't been thrown into the "too stupid" category of terminology | 10:43 | |
| zakkm | and its all clips, not eps | 10:43 |
| Macer | yeah | 10:43 |
| Macer | because it was a part of a show.. not the entire show | 10:43 |
| * jaem also laments the fall of the unit "Mohs" | 10:43 | |
| Macer | i'm still encoding these damn dvds for my little son | 10:44 |
| Macer | good lord this is taking forever | 10:44 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: heh i found the perfect way for me to use mer, easy-mer :) adds in the maemo apps, and they have fullscreen keyboard :P haha | 10:44 |
| zakkm | Macer: why you encoding? | 10:45 |
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| Macer | so id on't have to swap out these damn dvds | 10:46 |
| Macer | heh | 10:46 |
| Macer | it's a pain and i just didn't feel like doing it before | 10:46 |
| Macer | so i'm encoding 60 damn disney movies | 10:46 |
| zakkm | heh | 10:46 |
| zakkm | what does he like? | 10:46 |
| jaem | gah | 10:46 |
| zakkm | disney classics? | 10:46 |
| jaem | stupid flies crawling on my screen | 10:46 |
| Macer | what makes it so bad is that i'm doing it on my macbook so my laptop is sucked up has been running full speed for 3 days | 10:46 |
| Macer | zakkm: all the movies really | 10:47 |
| zakkm | Macer: i have a full dcom collection. | 10:47 |
| jaem | and unfortunately, they're not the type of flies that you can smash with a click, like that old app from Win95 | 10:47 |
| Macer | he doesn't like the real old ones like peter pan and other real old ones that are rather classic | 10:47 |
| zakkm | does he like dcoms? | 10:47 |
| Macer | dcoms? | 10:47 |
| zakkm | disney original | 10:47 |
| Macer | like the shorts? | 10:47 |
| zakkm | highskool musical = the most popular | 10:47 |
| Macer | lol. no | 10:47 |
| Macer | he is 3. he wouldn't understand high school musical | 10:48 |
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| zakkm | halloweentown, you wish, tru confessions, scream team, zenons, cow belles, northern lights. | 10:48 |
| zakkm | ah | 10:48 |
| Macer | i'm suprised he watched alice in wonderland | 10:48 |
| Macer | i never saw it before but wow is that one hard to understand :) | 10:48 |
| zakkm | heh | 10:49 |
| zakkm | i belong to a nice group that collects old tape recordings n such | 10:49 |
| Macer | you have the movie american yakuza? | 10:49 |
| Macer | :) | 10:49 |
| zakkm | ? | 10:50 |
| Macer | i can't seem to find it anywhere | 10:50 |
| Macer | it's classic. like showdown in little tokyo | 10:50 |
| zakkm | what si that? | 10:50 |
| Macer | haha | 10:50 |
| Macer | kind of like american ninja but not as horrible. white guy gains the trust of the japanese yakuza boss... etc | 10:50 |
| Macer | it's pretty good | 10:50 |
| zakkm | macer - pm | 10:53 |
| jaem | haha: http://www.geekobuilder.es/ | 10:59 |
| jaem | I like the Red-on-white "Vote For Linux" shirt | 10:59 |
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| Macer | vote for linux :-P | 11:02 |
| * Macer pulls the "Opensolaris" lever | 11:02 | |
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| jaem | Macer: come on... Plan9 is the Next Big Thing for the desktop | 11:07 |
| zakkm | your all wrong, its Gnome 3.0 :D | 11:08 |
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| jaem | zakkm: right... easy mistake to make | 11:08 |
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| Macer | haha | 11:11 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:14 |
| jaem | morning, Jaffa | 11:14 |
| jaem | g'night, all | 11:22 |
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| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 11:23 |
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| * lcuk yawns | 11:35 | |
| lcuk | mornin jaffa, Stskeeps | 11:36 |
| zakkm | morning lcuk :) | 11:37 |
| lcuk | mornin zakkm \o | 11:37 |
| lcuk | hows it goin zakkm | 11:38 |
| zakkm | what time is it there? | 11:38 |
| zakkm | trying out easy-mer, trying to update to 0.14 from 0.13 | 11:38 |
| lcuk | daytime lol | 11:38 |
| zakkm | its 4;38am here, still havent gone to sleep | 11:38 |
| lcuk | tsk tsk, you sound like me :S | 11:38 |
| zakkm | :) thank you | 11:39 |
| lcuk | when you arent so tired would you like to pull your hair out and try to get some working debs? :D | 11:39 |
| * lcuk has none left | 11:39 | |
| zakkm | of liqbase? | 11:40 |
| lcuk | yeah :D | 11:40 |
| zakkm | ill give it an attempt in the morning? | 11:41 |
| lcuk | yeah if you would :$ its up on github, i last tinkered and tried last night | 11:41 |
| lcuk | hold on, lemme get a link | 11:41 |
| zakkm | i got it | 11:41 |
| zakkm | i save chatlogs :D | 11:41 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Stars/liqbase | 11:41 |
| zakkm | also googling helps ;p | 11:41 |
| lcuk | lol ahh | 11:41 |
| zakkm | did i mention i went to TLUG ? | 11:42 |
| lcuk | googling wont help actually in this case - not for the live stuffs. had other issues with garage git support | 11:42 |
| zakkm | that was interesting ;p | 11:42 |
| lcuk | i heard something about it yeah | 11:42 |
| zakkm | no | 11:43 |
| zakkm | i meant to find your git link | 11:43 |
| zakkm | not to solve why it wont compile/run | 11:43 |
| lcuk | ahh lol, even i couldnt find my latest git stuff | 11:43 |
| zakkm | heh got to see a OLPC for the first time | 11:44 |
| zakkm | thatt thing is smallll the keyboard | 11:44 |
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| lcuk | they are nice | 11:45 |
| lcuk | toy looking tho | 11:45 |
| lcuk | which is the idea :) | 11:46 |
| zakkm | i went to ask im like wow can i see it , im like its small hes like ":your not a kid" :P | 11:46 |
| lcuk | heh | 11:47 |
| lcuk | its fisher price computing | 11:47 |
| lcuk | anyway, you get yourself some sleep soon, im gonna vanish and get coffee \o cya later and give us a shout if you discover anything | 11:48 |
| zakkm | lcuk: looking to make a "runnable" deb? | 11:49 |
| lcuk | yeah | 11:49 |
| zakkm | just curious, couldnt the same method be done | 11:49 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 11:50 | |
| lcuk | the debian folder in both technically does what its meant to | 11:50 |
| zakkm | the deb would just add to specific folder all the files, and add a .desktop for maemo launcher? | 11:50 |
| timeless_mbp | who works on gPodder? | 11:50 |
| lcuk | i can do make make install from both on my system | 11:50 |
| lcuk | yes | 11:50 |
| zakkm | what part of that fails? | 11:50 |
| lcuk | none | 11:50 |
| zakkm | ? | 11:50 |
| lcuk | the dpkg-buildpackage goes through | 11:50 |
| zakkm | so what doesnt work | 11:50 |
| lcuk | lemme dig out last nights autobuilder | 11:51 |
| lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/libliqbase_0.3.4/ | 11:51 |
| zakkm | permission denied? | 11:52 |
| zakkm | chown permission denied? | 11:52 |
| zakkm | would i be able to have access to that builder? | 11:53 |
| Macer | heh | 11:53 |
| Macer | always fun to debate subs vs dubs with anime people | 11:53 |
| Macer | :) | 11:53 |
| lcuk | no, but could you try building debs on your system | 11:53 |
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| zakkm | how do you get permission denied? | 11:53 |
| lcuk | i dunno, but im sure its me | 11:54 |
| lcuk | could you just try to build debs in your scratchbox and see how they install :$ | 11:54 |
| lcuk | ive not had debs yet | 11:54 |
| * lcuk is entirely on device | 11:54 | |
| lcuk | ^runnable | 11:54 |
| zakkm | i have a lazy approach idea that ill try "tomorrow" | 11:55 |
| lcuk | ok zakkm its v late over there | 11:55 |
| lcuk | i think the perms issue is red herring, but it might not be | 11:56 |
| lcuk | the previous autobuild just gave up without trying | 11:56 |
| lcuk | no error reason, no logs of what it did | 11:56 |
| lcuk | it just stopped | 11:56 |
| lcuk | :S | 11:56 |
| zakkm | it shows chown permission denied. | 11:56 |
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| zakkm | dpkg-source: failure: cannot stat libliqbase-0.3.4/debian/rules: Permission denied | 11:56 |
| lcuk | so thats an issue with the builder, or with the package/ | 11:58 |
| zakkm | builder | 11:58 |
| zakkm | unless your tryign to do something the package wont have permission for | 11:58 |
| zakkm | like the builder wouldnt allow you do | 11:58 |
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| lcuk | its trying to access files though, running its own commands on them | 11:59 |
| zakkm | yeah im looking at rules file now | 11:59 |
| lcuk | do permissions of files in the .deb get applied when its extracted? | 11:59 |
| lcuk | .tar.gz^ | 12:00 |
| zakkm | it doesnt change permissions. | 12:00 |
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| Stskeeps | is debian/rules +x? | 12:00 |
| zakkm | lcuk: why you have mac file use -O3 ? | 12:01 |
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| zakkm | makefile* | 12:02 |
| lcuk | cos o3 is the optimization level i found to work better than o2 in my code | 12:02 |
| zakkm | heh alot of ppl say it doesnt make a difference | 12:03 |
| lcuk | i did testing last year on my codebase | 12:03 |
| lcuk | and the engine parts are the same | 12:03 |
| zakkm | like it adds all compile flags, but in the end result alot say it doesnt make it any faster/smoother or anything | 12:03 |
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| lcuk | it might be right now lol | 12:06 |
| lcuk | i have to vanish, ill call back asap, thanks for this peek | 12:07 |
| * RST38h points magic wand at lcuk | 12:07 | |
| zakkm | -.- whats with python taknig 100% cpu | 12:07 |
| zakkm | on nokia | 12:07 |
| RST38h | kill it. | 12:08 |
| zakkm | i did | 12:08 |
| zakkm | but it was rebooted | 12:08 |
| zakkm | like it was started on a reboot | 12:08 |
| RST38h | using mingpsd? | 12:08 |
| Myrtti | first rule of software: any given piece of software takes all the resources available to it ;-) | 12:08 |
| zakkm | no | 12:08 |
| RST38h | minigpsd, sorry | 12:08 |
| zakkm | n800 | 12:09 |
| zakkm | Myrtti: not if you use nice :D | 12:09 |
| RST38h | What software are you using? | 12:09 |
| RST38h | Have you got any desktop applets or status bar applets? | 12:09 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: first rule of system administration: start by removing any software that takes all available resources | 12:09 |
| zakkm | no :( well yeah but nothing new | 12:09 |
| RST38h | (and yes, I do mean Windows =)) | 12:10 |
| RST38h | zakkm: Please list all of them | 12:10 |
| zakkm | just the usual load-applet / advanced brightness ive always had | 12:10 |
| zakkm | thats it | 12:10 |
| RST38h | what about desktop? | 12:10 |
| zakkm | none | 12:10 |
| RST38h | ok | 12:10 |
| zakkm | i dont like desktop for some reason | 12:10 |
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| RST38h | Canola, MediaBox? | 12:10 |
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| zakkm | both :( | 12:10 |
| zakkm | but its just this reboot | 12:11 |
| zakkm | like as if i did something | 12:11 |
| dymaxion | hi there, is there anyway to get a full debug log from the N810 Internet Call application? | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so... i just filed...hrm | 12:11 |
| zakkm | is there any nice way to install gcc and such on tablet? | 12:11 |
| RST38h | Well, if I understand correctly at least the Canola uses a background media scanner | 12:11 |
| zakkm | dymaxion: run it in terminal, might help | 12:11 |
| RST38h | THAT may be it | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | 4 bugs against gPodder using bugzilla | 12:11 |
| dymaxion | when usingi that SIP phone it connects to 500@ekiga.net and magically works out of the box from behind my Symmetric NAT, yet ekiga desktop app failsl miserably... | 12:11 |
| zakkm | timeless_mbp: why? | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | zakkm: because i can? | 12:12 |
| zakkm | nah i just updated | 12:12 |
| zakkm | and now my nokia is acting weird after reboot | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: the point is, it's trivial for me to file bugs w/ bugzilla :) | 12:12 |
| zakkm | thought it was connected | 12:12 |
| RST38h | zakkm: Updated what? | 12:12 |
| zakkm | gpodder and uhh something else | 12:12 |
| zakkm | that doesnt even use python though does it? | 12:12 |
| dymaxion | zakkm, wondered what switches to add... and also what the executable was called... | 12:14 |
| RST38h | gPodder does use Python afaik | 12:14 |
| RST38h | So, remove gPodder and see what happens | 12:14 |
| zakkm | well i killed python and its fine , i dont normally reboot it was just cause i had easy-mer running and then it froze so i hard booted | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: yeah, it good, small things we can put peopel to do | 12:15 |
| zakkm | is there scratchbox/dpkg-dev for nokia itself? | 12:15 |
| zakkm | or build-essential? | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: within the next days i'm building a mer with same strings as fremantle sdk, should be good for seeing missing strings etc | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: if the licenses don't suck, i might look into fixing things for you on Sunday | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | give me a set of files | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | will do, just updating the image atm | 12:16 |
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| zakkm | where would i find gcc for maemo? | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: licenses seem not to suck, except it looks like it's old bsd license | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | (doable) | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | if it's old instead of new, please file a bug | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't imagine they wouldn't fix that | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | hm, sec | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | ah no | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's new license | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's not the "advertising materials" clause, i re-read it wrong :) | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | want a tarball with all the tar.gz's and packages unpacked? | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/strings.tar | 12:21 |
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| zakkm | can i install gcc for maemo/mer? | 12:22 |
| RST38h | you can | 12:23 |
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| RST38h | ask lcuk he will tell you how | 12:23 |
| lcuk | zakkm, on your scratchbox, there is an sdk and an sdk/tools repository. those have armel counterparts and include gcc and build-essential type stuff | 12:24 |
| zakkm | send it over to maemo and dpkg -i ? | 12:24 |
| lcuk | dont even think of trying to get configure and dpkg working, it took me much hacking to even attempt it | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | ./hildon-application-manager-l10n-public_6.0+r6710+0m5.tar.gz | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | isn't expanded? | 12:25 |
| lcuk | zakkm, even simpler, just add the deb line to your repos list | 12:25 |
| zakkm | mind sharing the line? | 12:25 |
| zakkm | diablo one | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: it's expanded, just wanted to take the tar.gz's along too | 12:26 |
| lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo/sdk free non-free | 12:26 |
| lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free | 12:26 |
| lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ diablo free non-free | 12:26 |
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| Stskeeps | hildon-application-manager-l10n-public-6.0+r6710+0m5/ | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: indeed | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | the datestamps or something must be funny | 12:27 |
| lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo/tools free non-free | 12:27 |
| lcuk | forget the extras, misclicked | 12:27 |
| zakkm | ? | 12:27 |
| lcuk | but all this takes its toll on your device, you will have space problems unless you cut out much stuff | 12:27 |
| zakkm | i boot off sd. | 12:27 |
| lcuk | i pasted lines from extras and -devel | 12:27 |
| lcuk | ahhh fine enough then | 12:28 |
| zakkm | heh | 12:28 |
| zakkm | cant use jffs2 on n800 ;p | 12:28 |
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| lcuk | you can get most stuff up and running | 12:28 |
| lcuk | just dont try to get git to update to the garage https servers yet | 12:29 |
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| lcuk | hey wazd \o, i like your app launcher mockup, its cherrypicked the best elements from everything seen around recently (as all good designs do). well done :) | 12:31 |
| zakkm | lcuk: dont know how to use garage | 12:31 |
| zakkm | whats link to mockup? :D | 12:31 |
| RST38h | lcuk: screenshot? =) | 12:31 |
| lcuk | ill let wazd show it, its really sweet | 12:32 |
| lcuk | its for mer tho lol | 12:32 |
| wazd | RST38h: wait a bit :) | 12:32 |
| zakkm | wazd: i wanna see too | 12:32 |
| * RST38h salivates | 12:32 | |
| wazd | http://i079.radikal.ru/0906/e8/d12815a5d9ba.jpg | 12:32 |
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| zakkm | wow | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | i think it actually looks immensely more useful than the fremantle sdk one | 12:32 |
| zakkm | i also like the menu icon too | 12:33 |
| zakkm | the one next to mer | 12:33 |
| wazd | zakkm: well, I'm still wondering what took me so long to figure out how it should look :) | 12:33 |
| lcuk | wazd, all it needs is liq* tiling for the items within each category (just to do the layout) so that it looks balance | 12:34 |
| RST38h | wazd: the top row of icons is for shortcuts to often used apps? | 12:34 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep | 12:34 |
| RST38h | coool | 12:34 |
| zakkm | so wahts the ETA on this? :D | 12:34 |
| RST38h | wazd: Are you familiar with NeXTstep file manager concept? | 12:34 |
| lcuk | zakkm, wazds work is done | 12:34 |
| lcuk | his eta is complete | 12:34 |
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| RST38h | wazd: [it is also present in the current MacOS, although you have to enable it explicitly] | 12:35 |
| wazd | RST38h: I guess not | 12:35 |
| lcuk | now, go and write the menu iteself | 12:35 |
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| lcuk | wazd, that list of favorite apps - its the items from the original first menu isnt it | 12:36 |
| * lcuk cant remember the name | 12:36 | |
| wazd | lcuk: well, call it as you like :) | 12:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: thingie in the middle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NeXTSTEP_desktop.jpg | 12:36 |
| wazd | lcuk: it's always visible anyway :) | 12:36 |
| lcuk | "my selection" | 12:36 |
| lcuk | i mean in the current n8x0 menus | 12:36 |
| lcuk | it exists | 12:36 |
| lcuk | those are the items you can put on the top | 12:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: the main part is three columns showing the last three directories in the navigation path | 12:37 |
| wazd | lcuk: "My Favourites" I think | 12:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: the middle section lets you quickly scroll through directories in your navigation path | 12:37 |
| lcuk | ahh im reading the finish | 12:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: the top section contains shortcuts | 12:37 |
| lcuk | "tana_fi_my_selection" | 12:37 |
| zakkm | :( networkmanager not running | 12:38 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, vista explorer acts pretty same thing but looks different :) | 12:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: never seen it in this layout =) | 12:39 |
| RST38h | on the other hand, I do not get to use Vista that often | 12:39 |
| lcuk | you are lucky | 12:39 |
| zakkm | windows sucks :D | 12:39 |
| RST38h | There is a semi-recent implementation of NeXT file manager for WindowMaker: http://www.bayernline.de/~gscholz/linux/fsviewer/ | 12:40 |
| wazd | RST38h: and you don't see all folders in parent folder, just the name of the parent folder itself | 12:40 |
| RST38h | wazd: yeeek./ | 12:40 |
| timeless_mbp | http://i079.radikal.ru/0906/e8/d12815a5d9ba.jpg -- yum | 12:40 |
| zakkm | whats the network manager name in mer ? | 12:40 |
| zakkm | by command | 12:40 |
| RST38h | Anyways, I though that the ideas from the NeXT file manager can be put to some use in Mer | 12:40 |
| wazd | RST38h: Shortcuts are reallu good idea, but I don't think that we have screen estate for three coloumns though | 12:41 |
| lcuk | 2 columns with easy readable text works nicely | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | wazd: of text? | 12:42 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 12:42 | |
| RST38h | wazd: We have got an extra wide screen, why not? | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: in pixels yes | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | in inches, not really | 12:43 |
| lcuk | RST38h, nokia dont supply maginifying glasses with devices | 12:43 |
| RST38h | pixels or inches, it is still wider than 4x3 | 12:43 |
| wazd | RST38h: we have pretty small widescreen :) | 12:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: they're an after market upgrade | 12:43 |
| lcuk | ahhh whats the sku? | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno | 12:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: Two columns should suffice though | 12:43 |
| RST38h | lcuk: A shippable product configuraton | 12:44 |
| RST38h | lcuk: i.e. a box with a gadget and certain selection of accessories is a SKU | 12:44 |
| RST38h | Change accessories, or a color of the gadget body and it is a different SKU | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: no no | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | he wasn't asking for a definition | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | he was asking what my sku number was for the value add :) | 12:45 |
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| RST38h | Oh | 12:45 |
| wazd | http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nextstep-1.jpg <- some larger screenshot | 12:48 |
| * RST38h sheds a tear for the NeXTstep | 12:49 | |
| timeless_mbp | wazd: you're trying to emulate OSX? :) | 12:49 |
| zakkm | nextstep is no where near osx :D | 12:50 |
| lcuk | wazd is steve jobs really. i mean - have you ever seen wazd and steve jobs in the channel at the same time.. | 12:50 |
| wazd | timeless_mbp: I'm trying to emulate "best os for portable users" :) | 12:50 |
| RST38h | OSX is too heavy on eyecandy and too light on function | 12:50 |
| RST38h | NeXTstep UI was just right | 12:50 |
| timeless_mbp | wazd: you don't want to be the best? merely emulate it? how disappointing | 12:51 |
| timeless_mbp | you've been too close to Nokia designers | 12:51 |
| RST38h | Also, NeXTstep UI was clean (most likely because of the limited performance that kept sugar levels down) | 12:51 |
| wazd | timeless_mbp: If I'll do best right away - what would I do next?) | 12:52 |
| lcuk | RST38h, everywhere you look, simplification to optimize the experience is key :) | 12:52 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, you're one of those people who design for job security | 12:52 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 12:52 | |
| timeless_mbp | you really have spent too much time near Nokians | 12:52 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Not always. Microsoft simplified and got Vista | 12:52 |
| wazd | timeless_mbp: This is not my "job" :) | 12:52 |
| lcuk | RST38h, but between xp and vista they brought in 000's of new devs | 12:52 |
| lcuk | each of their simplifications added up to more | 12:53 |
| * RST38h greatly suspects that replacing some Nokians with wazd would actually help Fremantle. | 12:53 | |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: oh, easily | 12:53 |
| wazd | timeless_mbp: I'm doing totally different things to get money for design. Thats sad but that's how it works now :) | 12:53 |
| timeless_mbp | as long as he was given authority | 12:53 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: otoh, if he wasn't given authority, he'd just die | 12:53 |
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| * RST38h isn't sure just who is given authority at Nokia after seeing some screenshots | 12:54 | |
| lcuk | that only works if the designer in chief understands the limitations and practicalities of the systemthats under him | 12:54 |
| RST38h | No reasonable explanation even if we assume that the task was to emulate S60 widget set | 12:54 |
| lcuk | no point in designing a marble palace if there is no marble on your continent | 12:54 |
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| wazd | lcuk: that's exactly what I'm doing in Mer Project :) | 12:55 |
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| lcuk | uh huh and tis looking good so far :D | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: it's the peter principle | 12:57 |
| RST38h | ARM promises dual-core Cortex A9-based smartphones next year | 13:02 |
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| wazd | RST38h: snoop control unit xD | 13:08 |
| lcuk | and pocket warmers | 13:13 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Mer-48480.shtml | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Did you see that one already? | 13:27 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe, not bad i guess | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | they got maemo.org right ;) | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: tekojo got a mail that it was added. | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | I'm not sure if this helps or that this is search engine bait, but at least it is pretty accurate. | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | softpedia is fairly known | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | http://news.softpedia.com/ | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: are you taking any holidays this year btw / time when i should expect you're not around this summer? | 13:36 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Currently looking at November, certainly not during the regular summer season. | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 13:38 |
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| lcuk | any particular gotchas with ubuntu 9.04 and scratchbox? | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: With Nokia^WFinland being gone in July, I think I have to be there at least ;) | 13:39 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, true, things go rather awry otherwise | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: so i presume softpedia listing isn't a bad thing, given that quim just fwded me the mail himself? :P | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | Heh ;) | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: He is also reading info, I guess ;) | 13:42 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Pocket warmers are our intellectual property, do not mistake! =) | 13:55 |
| lcuk | !!! but ti are catching up! | 13:55 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: they would have to include a gas burner to reach PIV performance in this area =) | 13:57 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, RTG | 14:01 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d9/Soviet_RTG.jpg | 14:04 |
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| kynde | could some gconf expert tell me why is it that if I copy the directories from /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/connectivity/IAP from one device to another (or even from same device before flashing it) those connections aren't listed at all? | 14:07 |
| kynde | the directory name itself appears to be a hash of some sort, but I cannot locate the salt. I have the diablo rootfs and I'm trying to add there my default connections, but can't get them there. and I can't find any relevant changes in /var, /etc, where ever... | 14:08 |
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| pokrKna | any way to get rid of the "USB device not supported" & "Unable to connect, no file system available" messages when connecting a USB device? | 14:18 |
| pokrKna | connecting to N810 | 14:18 |
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| kynde | I think not. As I recall, it was ke-recv that spawns it no matter what. I have the same problem when connect a USB nic in host mode. The popup remained something I could not get rid of... | 14:20 |
| pokrKna | ok, thanks :S | 14:21 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo lizardo | 14:38 |
| lizardo | Stskeeps: hi | 14:39 |
| lcuk | RST38h, looks nice and kid friendly | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | lizardo: you're in pymaemo right? | 14:39 |
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| lizardo | Stskeeps: yes ;) | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | lizardo: well, we're slowly starting to adapt python hildon/etc bindings for both Mer and eventually Ubuntu MID, and i'd like to ask if you're interested in cooperating on this manner | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | so we can have a fairly standard set of software/bindings across the platforms | 14:41 |
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| Stskeeps | so people can target the python bindings and have it run easily on these different targets | 14:42 |
| lizardo | Stskeeps: sure, myself and the PyMaemo team can help on this :) do you have any ideas on how we can cooperate on that? | 14:43 |
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| Stskeeps | lizardo: do you have any existing collaboration spaces for your bindings? currently we're different a bit in the terms that we don't use pymaemo interpreter for instance (it would be very difficult on ubuntu), so your current packages removes pyc and keeps pyo for instance (which makes sense i agree) | 14:44 |
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| Stskeeps | but basically we wonder if you have repositories where you have the actual packaging (debian/) and your bindings source seperate for instance.. | 14:46 |
| lizardo | Stskeeps: actually, that was the behavior in versions prior to fremantle :) in fremantle , we are closely following the Debian Python Policy (for now)... The only change is a tiny patch to python that allows to work with packages that only install .pyo 's and no .pyc/.py (some packages outside of pymaemo do this, but not pymaemo packages themselves) | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | sounds good | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | we're following fremantle too so | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | how much is stripped from pymaemo these days? | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | as in, the main python package (for fremantle) | 14:48 |
| lizardo | Stskeeps: for most packages we have keep only the packaging changes (see https://garage.maemo.org/svn/pymaemo/packages) , only a few packages that are maintained by ourselves is kept with full source there | 14:48 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, checking | 14:49 |
| lizardo | Stskeeps: currently, for the pythob2.5 package, all documentation and the IDLE package | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | sounds fairly reasonable :P | 14:50 |
| lizardo | Stskeeps: but in all packages we use the default Debian packaging wherever possible, with changes made on top of it (and as generic as possible so upgrading packaging is made easier if the diff applies cleanly) | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | reason i'm asking is really if the fremantle pymaemo comes with as many initial packages (excepting documentation and idle), so if i depend on python2.5 on ubuntu and on maemo, i would be able to import the same "base" packages? | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | it wasn't like this in the past so | 14:52 |
| lizardo | Stskeeps: one important thing: we closely follow the Debian package versions (and usually the stable branch, with a few exceptions), this more because to stay in sync with Maemo | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 14:52 |
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| RST38h | Heh, gPodder Maemo5 video once again shows how bad screen layout is going to get | 14:53 |
| lizardo | Stskeeps: yes, for fremantle this compatibility is guaranteed... For now. We plan to break this rule only if it proves to save a lot of space, and in these cases it will be documented so developers would know when they will need to tweak the packaging for Maemo | 14:54 |
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| Stskeeps | *nod* | 14:55 |
| lizardo | Stskeeps: but the idea is to be compatible with Debian/Ubuntu as much as possible, this was the whole idea of redoing all packages in fremantle :) | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | lizardo: sounds great | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | lizardo: we're also more than interested in using your software so if you need us to test things, we're more than happy | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | we hang out in #mer (including ubuntu mid peeps) if you're interested | 14:57 |
| lizardo | Stskeeps: will be there :) | 14:57 |
| lizardo | Stskeeps: I haven't tried Mer yet (mostly due to lack of time :() but I'll follow development where possible | 14:58 |
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| Stskeeps | it's essentially a minimal ubuntu, put hildon application framework packages on top, and non-clutter hildon desktop | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | works quite nicely :) | 15:00 |
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| RichiH | do both the n800 and the n810 have transflexive displays? | 15:42 |
| RichiH | and what about the n900? | 15:42 |
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| X-Fade | RichiH: N810 and N900 only. | 15:43 |
| RichiH | k | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | RichiH: At least the developer unit we tested had tranflective screen. | 15:43 |
| RichiH | dev unit of n900 i assume? | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | Yep | 15:43 |
| RST38h | Two researchers have found a way to run unauthorized code on an iPhone remotely. | 15:44 |
| RichiH | personal opinion on it? | 15:44 |
| lcuk | AWESOME! | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | I have to agree with lcuk. | 15:45 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly as hordes of hackers go on to eviscerate poor iPhone users | 15:45 | |
| RichiH | good :) | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: jailbreaking remotely? ;p | 15:45 |
| RST38h | yep | 15:45 |
| lcuk | the screen sensitivity is really good, perfect for stylus and extremely good for finger tough too | 15:45 |
| lcuk | touch | 15:46 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, although that could be me being used to a beat up old model lol | 15:46 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Well at least it is a lot better than previous models. (As far as I was able to test.) | 15:46 |
| X-Fade | Rumour has it that sound quality should be a lot better too. | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | speakers can actually get better? | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | i absolutely adore n800/n810 speakers | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Listen to headphones. | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: You can hear a hiss. | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i have noticed that | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | Due to certain components being too close ;) | 15:48 |
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| * RST38h once again mentions how he likes n810 audio quality | 15:50 | |
| RST38h | Better than any other gadget I have | 15:50 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, the only sound we heard in copenhgen was the tap click i think | 15:51 |
| lcuk | but it sounded crisp and clear lol | 15:51 |
| ShadowJK | I don't need headphoens to hear the N800/N810 hiss.. | 15:52 |
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| Stskeeps | i still think the camera reminded me a little too much of the dilbert strip | 15:52 |
| ShadowJK | but I do need to switch off my desktop computers :-) | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, high-end TI amp. | 15:52 |
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| RST38h | no such thing as a high end amp in a mobile device :) | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, meh. | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not playing this silly game with you this morning. | 15:53 |
| RST38h | weeeeelll, if you deliver digital audio straight to the headphones and amp it there... :) | 15:53 |
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| ShadowJK | I've never encountered a portable device with clean-sounding audio output, and I'm not even an audiophile.. | 15:53 |
| RST38h | Shadow: 'cause no matter how you amplify it, it still has to pass near all those other components on its way to the jack | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: after listening to too many idiots playing loud thug music on their wimpy cellphones, i can say that n8x0 is fantastic sound :P | 15:54 |
| ShadowJK | yeah, on my N800 there's a buzzing sound whenever touchscreen registers touch :) | 15:55 |
| ShadowJK | I guess the touchscreen datalines pass too close to audio lines | 15:55 |
| RST38h | Sts: Hell, none of my laptops ever had this clean sound | 15:55 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: Probably the CPU, delivering GDK message to apps :) | 15:55 |
| ShadowJK | USB Audio dongle on same hub as usb: high pitched noise whenever bluetooth dongle transmitted :) | 15:55 |
| RST38h | Shadow: touch screen stuff is static, it should not cause interference, but the CPU waking up and hitting on SDRAM will do the job | 15:56 |
| ShadowJK | I haven't heard any noise that I could've correlated with CPU load | 15:56 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Just has to be active. Goddamn ASUS Digimatrix becomes very noisy any time it has to do any computing or data transfer in WinXP | 15:57 |
| ShadowJK | on my old P133 and PIII-733 I could hear almost all the system components.. CPU, AGP, Network, disk :) | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | they made different noises | 15:58 |
| X-Fade | I can head the capacitors make a high pitched noice when my laptop is suspended. Highly annoying. | 15:59 |
| X-Fade | *har | 15:59 |
| X-Fade | *hear. | 15:59 |
| lcuk | on an old P133, can you hear gears clanking, cam belts whirring, horses neighing etc | 16:00 |
| ShadowJK | all my nokia chargers are making high pitched noises now.. even the car charger :P | 16:00 |
| Razumihin | :D | 16:00 |
| Razumihin | Horses were the baddest | 16:00 |
| ShadowJK | but I was talking about stuff coming through the headphone ports :) | 16:00 |
| lcuk | you dont need headphones to hear the machinary inside an old machine lol | 16:01 |
| ShadowJK | well it was brand new at some point | 16:01 |
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| lcuk | ShadowJK, yeah, horses are born | 16:04 |
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| parazitus | i doubt about horses... maybe squirrels? | 16:09 |
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| lcuk | mummy horses give birth to squirrels? | 16:09 |
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| parazitus | no, i try to divine source of noise on old PCs.. :) | 16:12 |
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| lcuk | RichiH, you work for freenode don't you? is there a prefered donation amount you guys like? | 16:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ยฃ1,000,000 | 16:18 |
| RichiH | lcuk: not really. if you give nothing that's fine. if you do decide, it's totally up to you | 16:18 |
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| RichiH | and to be pedantic, we all volunteer | 16:18 |
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| RichiH | no one gets a single dime, if anything, it costs us :p | 16:18 |
| RichiH | phone, sms, letters, sometimes travel, etc | 16:19 |
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| andrewfblack | I saw a couple people from freenode at SELF this past weekend | 16:19 |
| RichiH | andrewfblack: jonathand was there | 16:20 |
| RichiH | we will have shirts soon | 16:20 |
| RichiH | matter of fact, they were shipped to him yesterday | 16:20 |
| andrewfblack | yeah I saw they had an order form for them there | 16:20 |
| andrewfblack | There was a girl with him also | 16:20 |
| RichiH | he is organising a geeknic soon | 16:21 |
| RichiH | that would have been gary ;) | 16:21 |
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| RichiH | can anyone tell me details about how to apply for the nokia beta testing program? i know there are some nokians around and i do have quite some experience in QA, both in open and closed source | 16:22 |
| RichiH | obviously, my main interest lies in the linux-based products | 16:22 |
| RichiH | andrewfblack: just checked back. she is not staff, but she hangs out on freenode | 16:23 |
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| lcuk | RichiH, most of us here haven't even smelt the new devices yet! | 16:23 |
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| RichiH | lcuk: it's a long shot, but the worst that can happen is that nothing comes of it | 16:25 |
| RichiH | so i can't lose (only nokia can ;) | 16:25 |
| andrewfblack | RichiH: cool didn't know I think I saw her behind the table more then jonathand | 16:25 |
| RichiH | but seriously, i know i am good at finding bugs and that i would benefit in the long term as the released software would be ever better but if nothing along these lines happens, i will not die, either | 16:26 |
| lcuk | RichiH, theres a lot of software already out that will be on fremantle that needs bug testing - for all different areas | 16:27 |
| lcuk | nokia have a group of apps and people which are currently released the fremantle stars, those apps need help more than anything nokia has behind closed doors | 16:28 |
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| lcuk | because those come from the community :) | 16:28 |
| RichiH | lcuk: i will have a n810 in two weeks and a n900 the second it's released so i will certainly test those, anyway | 16:29 |
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| RichiH | (and an openpandora as soon as _that_ is realeased which i plan to run Mer on) | 16:29 |
| RichiH | released, too | 16:29 |
| RichiH | what is the status wrt fremantle & n810, anyway? | 16:31 |
| RichiH | is the omap 2 powerful enough and do 128 MiB suffice? | 16:31 |
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| lcuk | i certainly think so :) | 16:34 |
| lcuk | but i cant wait to expand into the omap3 home | 16:34 |
| lcuk | heres what im making: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY (well worth a full watch, and the followup) :) | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | That lcuk fellow isn't so modest ;) | 16:36 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, of course not | 16:36 |
| * lcuk is a blatant whore (and very very overworked!) | 16:36 | |
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| RichiH | lcuk: looks nice | 16:51 |
| RichiH | i like the notepad | 16:52 |
| RichiH | lcuk: is that fremantle on the n810? | 16:52 |
| RichiH | plus your own stuff | 16:52 |
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| RichiH | damn, that is shiny | 16:53 |
| ShadowJK | from the video title I woudl guess it's liqbase on n810 | 16:53 |
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| GAN800 | lbt, ping? | 16:57 |
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| lcuk | RichiH, its sliq and shiny and starting to feel like i always imagined :) | 17:01 |
| * lcuk has to go properly tho now | 17:01 | |
| lcuk | cya later | 17:01 |
| RichiH | lcuk: i will ask you for the repo in two weeks | 17:01 |
| RichiH | cya | 17:01 |
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| Razumihin | I hope they will keep the n900 price abt. the same as n97 at maximum. | 17:02 |
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| RichiH | Razumihin: i hope the same but fear something else | 17:05 |
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| Razumihin | lcuk: Btw liqbase looks really good. | 17:05 |
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| GAN800 | Razumihin, I dunno how they can justify higher for this platform. | 17:06 |
| Razumihin | GAN800: I cannot think any way to justify 700 euros for the hardware anyway., | 17:07 |
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| Razumihin | It's still going to be a replacement for the communicator and e90 was something like 900 euros as new. | 17:08 |
| GAN800 | I can see the hardware justifying it. | 17:09 |
| GAN800 | But nothing else | 17:09 |
| Razumihin | But yes... i think that even if it costed 1000 euros i would sadly pay that :) | 17:09 |
| GAN800 | I don't see them pricing themselves out of the market that way anyway. | 17:09 |
| Razumihin | Hope so. | 17:10 |
| GAN800 | If they don't have a discount program. . . . | 17:10 |
| GAN800 | I mean, you're competing with "$99" iPhones. | 17:10 |
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| Razumihin | Yeah. | 17:11 |
| fiferboy | I really hope there is a discount program! | 17:11 |
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| X-Fade | GAN800: I'm sure that they can be sold with a subscription too, now that there is that sim slot ;) | 17:11 |
| Razumihin | Don't think so at least in finland. | 17:11 |
| GAN800 | X-Fade, that scares the shit out of me, personally. | 17:11 |
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| X-Fade | GAN800: Why? Every Nokia phone that came with a subscription was also available separately? | 17:12 |
| GAN800 | Especially if US carriers are involved. | 17:12 |
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| fiferboy | Canadian carriers are no bette | 17:12 |
| GAN800 | Because it still has an effect on the software platform. | 17:12 |
| Razumihin | Yeah... i hate those monopolies. | 17:12 |
| fiferboy | /s/bette/better | 17:12 |
| X-Fade | I don't get why people are so afraid of that :) | 17:12 |
| GAN800 | Hardware setup, etc. | 17:12 |
| Razumihin | X-Fade: It's opensource device. | 17:13 |
| GAN800 | You don't know US carriers, then. | 17:13 |
| Razumihin | If you lock something up it's not. | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | Razumihin: Yeah, so? Modem is a blob? | 17:13 |
| * RST38h yawns and suggests to drop the "we are competing against iPhones" line | 17:13 | |
| Razumihin | Yeah, i think that it is wrong ideologically. | 17:13 |
| RST38h | Not possible to compete against iphones. Need to find a different niche. | 17:13 |
| mavhc | they're not afraid of linux phones now, android, pre, neo | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | The 'tablet' just has data. | 17:14 |
| RST38h | Yes, it will probably be a smaller niche, but a more viable one | 17:14 |
| Razumihin | iPhone is hype device, not really a good smartphone like other linux devices... | 17:14 |
| RST38h | A maemoPhone will make a very decent business phone, given right apps | 17:14 |
| RST38h | Will tear blackberry to threads | 17:14 |
| Razumihin | You would need some serious marketing and something really different to stand out to compete iPhone in popularity | 17:14 |
| mavhc | question: the iphone accessory drm chip that apple force accessory people to buy, does that also stop the acessory working on an imaginary phone with a compatible connector? | 17:15 |
| RST38h | Razumihin: You can't compete with iPhone. Period. | 17:15 |
| RST38h | But you CAN compete with HTC or Samsung feature phones or Blackberry | 17:15 |
| Razumihin | Yeah. That is what i'm hoping for as i need a good business phone and as a developer like to have the possibility to develop to it myself. | 17:15 |
| Razumihin | RST38h: Yep. | 17:15 |
| Razumihin | RST38h: I see maemo as windows mobile killer. | 17:15 |
| Razumihin | (and hope so) | 17:16 |
| RST38h | Make every CA geek want a maemoPhone, and THAT will be good enough | 17:16 |
| RST38h | Razumihin: That is Android though:) | 17:16 |
| RST38h | Same hardware, better experience than winmo | 17:16 |
| Razumihin | RST38h: Android has the programmability issue. | 17:16 |
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| RST38h | Razumihin: Users do not give a damn | 17:16 |
| RST38h | You can't sell a phone on programmability | 17:16 |
| Razumihin | True, but nerdy winmo users do. | 17:16 |
| RST38h | haven't seen any | 17:17 |
| Razumihin | (as the program catalog develops to certain point) | 17:17 |
| Razumihin | I used htc's in the beginning of the century :) | 17:17 |
| RichiH | GAN800: look at the pandora, which has the same chipset, and costs 330 euro | 17:17 |
| RST38h | You probably can sell on "Nice HTC hardware and no dreaded WinMo" line | 17:17 |
| RichiH | granted, the pandora does not have GPS nor GSM and UMTS | 17:17 |
| RichiH | and no accelerometer | 17:17 |
| RichiH | and less nand | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | RichiH: comparing with vaporware isn't fair :P | 17:18 |
| RST38h | Pandora does not exist yet. | 17:18 |
| RichiH | but it does have four times the battery power | 17:18 |
| RST38h | When it is sold in a store, come back :) | 17:18 |
| Razumihin | :) | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: and handed over, you mean | 17:18 |
| RichiH | word from the devs is that they will order the last moulds in two weeks | 17:18 |
| RST38h | RichiH: it can have 4 vibrators and a rocket engine, does not mean a thing | 17:18 |
| ShadowJK | considering nokia usually pisses off US carriers to the point where they don't carry most nokia devices anyway, I doubt nokia would pay attention to them with a maemophone either | 17:19 |
| RichiH | final boards are already in test production | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | RichiH: Don't forget that Maemo has some amazing power management. | 17:19 |
| Razumihin | ShadowJK: Hope so. | 17:19 |
| RST38h | Shadow: How do you piss a US carrier, anyway? =) | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: bringing them swedish fish, probably | 17:19 |
| Razumihin | What was i just installing... | 17:19 |
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| ShadowJK | carriers/operators | 17:19 |
| ShadowJK | in the past, music store, and internet capability has pissed them off | 17:20 |
| RichiH | X-Fade: well, angstroem on pandora does not (yet) have any power management at all and can run a full day under load ;) | 17:21 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know what their current list of bad things(TM) are :-) | 17:21 |
| X-Fade | RichiH: I don't believe that. | 17:21 |
| X-Fade | RichiH: Under full load that CPU uses more than 2W. | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | RichiH: does this count backlight on? :P | 17:22 |
| ShadowJK | iirc CPU full load backlight off is less than you'd think | 17:22 |
| RichiH | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=48259&st=0&p=733993&#entry733993 | 17:22 |
| ShadowJK | WLAN full load and significant transfers to SD or NAND though... that eats power :) | 17:22 |
| GAN800 | RichiH, it doesn't have half the hardware features. | 17:22 |
| ShadowJK | (on N8x0) | 17:23 |
| RichiH | GAN800: i would say more than half (depending on how you look at it) but i doubt the remaining stuff would justify a price gap of 570 euro. especially when you consider economy of scale. that being said, i will get a n900 anyway | 17:24 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: Ah, treating them as stupid data pipes they are... | 17:24 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Yes, this should piss 'em off all right | 17:24 |
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| Razumihin | They are not only data carriers! They are lifestyle promoters or something else really idiotic sounding. | 17:25 |
| ShadowJK | and... service providers! Which really means they want everyone to use their expensive fenced-in gardens of "mobile web" and "mobile email" | 17:26 |
| Razumihin | Like AOL tried to be with internet. | 17:26 |
| Razumihin | Yep. | 17:26 |
| ShadowJK | there are a few operators who actually state their primary goal is to provide fat pipes because that really drives innovation and usability forward for users | 17:26 |
| ShadowJK | (but probably not in the US) | 17:26 |
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| Razumihin | Even in finland data prices have gone up. | 17:27 |
| ShadowJK | Luckily my contract was renewed :-) | 17:28 |
| ShadowJK | 2 or 5 mbit (it's a bit unclear which) for 10E per month :D | 17:28 |
| Razumihin | My contract has unlimited bandwidth 10e/month i tried to take another one for second phone and it would have costed 60e/month | 17:28 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Russian ones have no choice | 17:28 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: users do not give a shit about their "services", just want voice calls and data | 17:28 |
| ShadowJK | At the time they said "unlimited", and at that time their network did 2mbit max, now they're up to 5 or 7 or something... | 17:28 |
| Razumihin | Intresting that speed prices have gone up from 2003 | 17:29 |
| ShadowJK | Saunalahti? | 17:29 |
| GAN800 | RichiH, there's also the whole industrial design thing | 17:29 |
| Razumihin | ShadowJK: Yes. | 17:29 |
| GAN800 | of which the Pandora has none | 17:29 |
| RST38h | Shadow: as soon as the price goes up, users jump to a different provider (there are no contracts) | 17:29 |
| ShadowJK | their megadata thing was a short-time special offer :) | 17:29 |
| Razumihin | They cannot drop that contract :) | 17:29 |
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| cosmo | hmm.. why is maemo mapper showing only black world? | 17:29 |
| Razumihin | Yep | 17:29 |
| GAN800 | Plus funding a ton of mobile Linux development. | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | cosmo: you didn't configure map repositories | 17:30 |
| Razumihin | And if you pay it they must renew it :) | 17:30 |
| cosmo | Stskeeps: yes i did, d/l'd the repos and set the directory to mmc | 17:30 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, yeah that would be an ideal situation.. 12 month contracts used to be illegal in .fi :-) | 17:30 |
| ShadowJK | but no longer :-( | 17:30 |
| cosmo | neverending processing maps and black screen. internet works fine. | 17:31 |
| RST38h | shadow: Legal != compulsory though | 17:31 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 17:31 |
| Razumihin | Yeah. I hate those "package" contracts. | 17:31 |
| Razumihin | Just idiotic to pay for speaking and messaging that you don't use :) | 17:31 |
| Razumihin | Hmh... maybe i just should go home and leave this computer to install. | 17:32 |
| RichiH | GAN800: as may be, still if the n900 had a price point of euro 900, it would be drastic | 17:33 |
| Razumihin | Hard drive failed and it just takes abt. three weeks to install vista. | 17:33 |
| GAN800 | Oh, I agree. | 17:33 |
| GAN800 | But my point is that the hardware may somewhat justify it. | 17:33 |
| Razumihin | Not really :/ | 17:33 |
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| Razumihin | What kind of hardware would have that kind of prices? | 17:34 |
| RST38h | Shadow: You basically can sell any contract here, but if it is unfair and one side drops it, what do you do? | 17:34 |
| ShadowJK | eh? | 17:34 |
| ShadowJK | what do you mean by "drops it"? | 17:34 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Let us say the user stops paying | 17:35 |
| ShadowJK | collection agencies have means to extract payment :-) | 17:35 |
| RST38h | Shadow: You try bringing him to the court, trying to get money | 17:35 |
| RST38h | Shadow: The judge will ask whether you provided him with any services he has not paid for | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | mm. you people don't happen to know and QR/Semacode libraries for video4linux/webcams? | 17:35 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: If he hasn't used any of your services, there is no legal ground to claim money, period. | 17:36 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: I don't know if zebra does QR/Semacode yet | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: The barcode project at garage? | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: maybe.. this would be non-n8x0 stuff though | 17:36 |
| RST38h | Shadow: You can of course claim that he has broken a contract but this is not something qualifying as a federal offence, they will prbably send you both into arbitration | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: It uses v4l2 iirc? | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | will look i guess | 17:37 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Which will also exactly the same question: "Have you provided the guy with any services? - No. - get outta here." | 17:37 |
| RST38h | Shadow: So, contracts are unpopular :) | 17:38 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: #define VIDEO_SRC "v4l2src" | 17:38 |
| GAN800 | Razumihin, basically the most advanced smartphone hardware on the market. ;) | 17:39 |
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| Razumihin | GAN800: Thats not because it's the most hitech its because they lag it intentionally. | 17:39 |
| Razumihin | (so the prices are not really so high as you would think) | 17:40 |
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| Razumihin | (for example there's no reason 5mpix sensors would cost dramatically more than 3mpix) | 17:40 |
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| GAN800 | Razumihin, erm, TI only hit usable samples last winter. | 17:41 |
| Razumihin | GAN800: Yeah... the processor is really pretty high. | 17:41 |
| Razumihin | *hightech. | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | GAN800: We saw some blurry prototype shots at the summit ;) Made with the proto camera. | 17:41 |
| GAN800 | Anyway, the WiFi/Bluetooth/FM stuff, the screen, the audio, etc are all pretty high-end. | 17:43 |
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| lcuk | arent they just technically cherry picked from other nokia devices lol | 17:44 |
| GAN800 | No | 17:44 |
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| GAN800 | What other device uses OMAP3, 800x480 or 802.11n? | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Even N97 has no OMAP3. | 17:45 |
| lcuk | thats a good point | 17:46 |
| GAN800 | That was true two years ago, but it's looking like a proper flagship device now. | 17:46 |
| lcuk | i know about the screen which is a maemoism, but i tohught the rest was just grabbed from a shopping list | 17:46 |
| GAN800 | No | 17:46 |
| * lcuk can and is wrong :) | 17:46 | |
| X-Fade | Well, all BOMs are. But this is a high end one ;) | 17:46 |
| GAN800 | ;p | 17:46 |
| Razumihin | GAN800: 3.5" 800x480 lcd:s are common in embedded. | 17:46 |
| RST38h | Not so common | 17:47 |
| RST38h | Just starting to appear | 17:47 |
| Razumihin | Not in consumer products, but in company side. | 17:48 |
| * Stskeeps begins compiling zbar for Mer | 17:51 | |
| florian | yep.. zbar looks pretty interesting | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | i will salivate if zbar works effectively on my n810 :P | 17:52 |
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| GAN800 | Razumihin, either way, it's definitely not in any other Nokia products. | 17:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: IMHO, it'd be better on the N800 as you can actually turn the camera :P | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: agreed | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | is it the same camera in n800 as in n810 btw? | 17:54 |
| Razumihin | GAN800: True, yes it's true that the price is good when you compare to other nokia products. | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Same reso, yes. | 17:54 |
| Razumihin | "camera" | 17:54 |
| Razumihin | ;) | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Meet Mr. Blurry cam ;) | 17:54 |
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| man_in_pda | is there a way to simulate a right-click on n810? | 17:57 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, zbar works with a few changes in maemo, we are using it as base for the GSoC barcode project | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | man_in_pda: tap and hold. | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: does it work? | 17:57 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, only with images, the video don't work also in my desktop | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:58 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, but I don't test it too much, the GSoC student, know more about this issue | 17:59 |
| Razumihin | Ok, now i will go home. This will take forever... | 17:59 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, but maemo-barcode works with video in my n810 | 17:59 |
| man_in_pda | X-Fade, only works if app is configured for it | 17:59 |
| man_in_pda | and it looks like xchat isn't | 18:00 |
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| ShadowJK | xchat is | 18:04 |
| ShadowJK | atleast if you get it from extras | 18:04 |
| man_in_pda | hmm | 18:06 |
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| man_in_pda | well, must be my unsteady hand | 18:11 |
| man_in_pda | any idea how to make it show sync as numbers? | 18:11 |
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| andre__ | bergie: Ignore my last two email to you. Seems like I should take a look myself before writing. Thanks :-P | 18:38 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, barcode works with video because its a tight C app, isnt the new barcode written in python? (or is there some underlying c lib) | 18:43 |
| lcuk | feck | 18:43 |
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| GAN800 | bergie, werz mah screenshot? | 18:51 |
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| Talus_Laptop | greetings | 19:02 |
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| coldboot | Does anyone know a workaround to this Qt bug that only happens on Maemo? http://lists.trolltech.com/pipermail/qt-interest/2009-June/008576.html | 19:48 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: I have never even noticed that before, and I work with QTableView on the device all the time | 19:51 |
| fiferboy | I guess it never bothered me, since it only happens the first time you click | 19:51 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: It looks even worse when you have a lot of stuff on the screen. The more QAbstractItem children you have, the longer the flashing takes. | 19:52 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: It looks like a pretty serious cosmetic problem for a commercial application. | 19:53 |
| coldboot | Personally I don't really care, but it's the sort of thing some people will care about. | 19:53 |
| fiferboy | You should try asking on the Qt4-devel list at qt4.garage.maemo.org | 19:53 |
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| coldboot | Thanks | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo jeremiah_ | 19:55 |
| fiferboy | NP | 19:55 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: So there is a mailing list called qt4-devel at garage? | 19:55 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: https://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/qt4-devel | 19:56 |
| jeremiah_ | lo Stskeeps! | 19:56 |
| fiferboy | You can subscribe there | 19:56 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: Thanks | 20:00 |
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| lbt | GAN800: pong | 20:31 |
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| Proteous-phone | pong | 20:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, think we could have per-grocery-store aisle layouts? | 20:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perhaps with categories for different foods so stuff automatically gets sorted into the correct aisle? | 20:35 |
| lbt | I think so | 20:35 |
| lbt | My thinking is that we should have per-store ordering of aisles/categories | 20:35 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: hey, got any screen shots i can poke at? | 20:36 |
| lcuk | but even within the same storegroup they change | 20:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i filed a bunch of bugs for gPodder and am vaguely in the mood to give random feedback on other random apps :) | 20:36 |
| lcuk | lbt, just get the damned camera working and have it layout stuff as it sees it ;) | 20:36 |
| fiferboy | lbt: What do you use for data storage? XML? | 20:36 |
| RST38h | and gps support | 20:36 |
| lbt | timeless_mbp: http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/ http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/shopper | 20:36 |
| lcuk | so it can use last weeks route to show you where you are coming from | 20:36 |
| lcuk | no gps in shops | 20:36 |
| RST38h | why? | 20:36 |
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| lcuk | indoors | 20:36 |
| lbt | My thinking is that we should have per-store ordering of aisles/categories | 20:36 |
| RST38h | pity | 20:36 |
| lcuk | shopper for markets :D | 20:37 |
| lbt | hmm, echo | 20:37 |
| lbt | fiferboy: yes | 20:37 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: so... http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/Shopper-rot.png | 20:37 |
| lbt | xrandr rocks | 20:37 |
| timeless_mbp | have you considered making the buttons at the bottom twice as wide? | 20:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | otoh, iirc you have a real user who gives regular feedback | 20:37 |
| lbt | nope.... but happy to think about it | 20:37 |
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| lbt | (yes, my wife!) | 20:38 |
| lbt | user #1 | 20:38 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, those are great :) | 20:38 |
| timeless_mbp | someday... someday | 20:38 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Does she file bugs? | 20:38 |
| lbt | fiferboy: oh yes | 20:38 |
| lbt | it doesn't bounce | 20:38 |
| lcuk | heh lbt, just wait till denise starts fixing em as well | 20:38 |
| lbt | she's not happy! | 20:38 |
| lbt | lcuk: soon... | 20:38 |
| lcuk | the end of lbt.. | 20:38 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: offhand, that's the biggest one | 20:39 |
| fiferboy | It bounces on my system... | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | the other question i have is how does she use it | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | with a stylus, pen, pick, finger, or other? | 20:39 |
| thopiekar | #mixxx | 20:39 |
| lbt | finger (nail) | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | ah yes, female | 20:39 |
| lcuk | heh - i can see lbt walking with a clipboard monitoring progress | 20:39 |
| lbt | and we know there are some issues :) | 20:39 |
| * thopiekar forgot -> /j | 20:39 | |
| lbt | lcuk: .... I do... really | 20:39 |
| lbt | I watch how she uses it | 20:40 |
| lbt | which is why rotation works both ways | 20:40 |
| lbt | she's a leftie | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, a food database would also totally kick ass. | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 20:40 |
| lcuk | good good :) you are like microsoft clippy! | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: does she ever try to give you the list and say "buy these" | 20:40 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: yes... it's kinda like that | 20:40 |
| lbt | timeless_mbp: yes... usually | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: so.... | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/screenshots.html | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | doesn't have the dialogs for editing | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | which hurts me a bit | 20:41 |
| lbt | true | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | what follows are a stream of ideas which may or may not be covered: | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | 1. can you track purchases over time? | 20:41 |
| lbt | install, try, submit shots... | 20:41 |
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| lbt | 1 not really. But when you add an item it's always available to pick thereafter... | 20:42 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 20:42 | |
| timeless_mbp | that's different | 20:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | 2. can you have distinct list cases? | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | my family has a special list we use once a year | 20:42 |
| lbt | 2 yes | 20:42 |
| lbt | save/load xml list | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, a couple of them (e.g. thanksgiving) | 20:42 |
| lbt | (s) | 20:42 |
| lbt | oh, yes... holiday presents etc | 20:43 |
| lbt | (plus if you make a note then you see what you bought last year!) | 20:43 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 20:43 | |
| timeless_mbp | 3. people related lists | 20:43 |
| lcuk | (X) socks | 20:43 |
| lcuk | (X) socks | 20:43 |
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| lcuk | (X) socks | 20:43 |
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| lbt | rofl | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: hey, the last places i went, i bought socks | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | Istanbul, Washington, and Mountain View | 20:44 |
| lbt | 3. well, a list is items/categories .... so .... | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | so, if some people in your family or likely regular guest list have allergies/special requests/favorites | 20:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | but those would only be important for special things | 20:44 |
| suihkulokki | mental note: buy socks to timeless_mbp as present | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: i'd prefer an offer of a summer cottage visit | 20:45 |
| timeless_mbp | like this week? :) | 20:45 |
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| lbt | timeless_mbp: not sure about that so much... the typical usage is prepare list, go shopping. | 20:45 |
| timeless_mbp | is the prepare part done on the device? | 20:46 |
| RST38h | too complicated =) | 20:46 |
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| lbt | I think that would be a rational 'contacts' extension | 20:46 |
| lbt | yes, prepare on device... often in kitchen/store | 20:46 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 20:46 | |
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| lbt | ie storeroom (UK speak) | 20:46 |
| timeless_mbp | oh. pantry? | 20:46 |
| lbt | yes | 20:46 |
| timeless_mbp | isn't that also a British word? | 20:46 |
| lbt | also in bathroom/bedroom | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | ok... so... | 20:47 |
| lbt | yes, thought pantry would be confusing | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | store was worse :) | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | pantry is a recognizable British word | 20:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | [grocery] store | 20:47 |
| lbt | (yes) so walk around house and the device offers a list of things in various categories ... so also a prompt | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | 4. camera support | 20:48 |
| timeless_mbp | being able to take pictures of items | 20:48 |
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| suihkulokki | timeless_mbp: meh, other plans for this weekend.. | 20:48 |
| lbt | 4. no. sounds good (like barcodes) but sometimes tech slows you down/gets in the way | 20:48 |
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| lbt | it may make more sense if wife has PC on and can *see* photo | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: keep in mind this isn't just maemo 4 | 20:49 |
| lbt | (this one dear?) | 20:49 |
| lbt | (no the yellow one) | 20:49 |
| lbt | (this one <snap>) | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | heh, i tried that | 20:49 |
| lbt | (yes) | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | between an n81 8gb and an e61i | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | using video call | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | the cameras at the time were not good enough to do it | 20:49 |
| timeless_mbp | certainly not w/ video call | 20:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i suspect that a maemo 5 device, and using still shots instead would work | 20:50 |
| lbt | yes... I often just walk around with a bluetooth headset and she talks me through it | 20:50 |
| * lbt nods | 20:50 | |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 20:50 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, i'm just adding to a wishlist | 20:50 |
| * lbt is thinking of going for fremantle star too | 20:50 | |
| timeless_mbp | *oww* | 20:50 |
| lbt | ? | 20:50 |
| * timeless_mbp bangs knee against table | 20:50 | |
| timeless_mbp | there's this stupid thing which lets you raise/lower the table | 20:51 |
| lbt | knee height? | 20:51 |
| timeless_mbp | placed precisely where my knee likes to go when i get ... | 20:51 |
| * timeless_mbp crosses legs as a nervous stretching thing | 20:51 | |
| timeless_mbp | anyway... | 20:51 |
| timeless_mbp | i guess you've already thought about bar code scannning | 20:51 |
| lbt | yes... I'm dubious | 20:51 |
| timeless_mbp | i have no idea as to whether a maemo 5 device will be able to make that work | 20:51 |
| timeless_mbp | personally i'd prefer general pictures over scanning | 20:52 |
| lbt | yes ... I can see piccies making sense | 20:52 |
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| lbt | scanning + barcodes are complex and need big DBs..... | 20:52 |
| timeless_mbp | i take it that you aren't worried about budgets | 20:52 |
| lbt | not really | 20:53 |
| timeless_mbp | well, the version of barcodes i'd do is simpler | 20:53 |
| lcuk | lbt, barcode db is max 40mb | 20:53 |
| timeless_mbp | she scans each thing she likes | 20:53 |
| lcuk | and quick to lookup | 20:53 |
| lcuk | its not that bad | 20:53 |
| timeless_mbp | at home | 20:53 |
| lcuk | to turn a upc into identifiable product | 20:53 |
| timeless_mbp | and then sends you to the store | 20:53 |
| lbt | typically I have run out of it.... | 20:53 |
| timeless_mbp | you scan things in the right aisle until you get a match | 20:53 |
| lbt | heh... this is tech getting in the way :) | 20:53 |
| timeless_mbp | not a great algorithm, but if the scanning manages to work | 20:54 |
| lbt | soup - chicken | 20:54 |
| timeless_mbp | see, my family is a lot pickier | 20:54 |
| lbt | I really can see photo's making sense | 20:54 |
| lcuk | diet, full, 300ml 600ml, packet, chunky smooth plain | 20:54 |
| lcuk | with veggies | 20:54 |
| lcuk | without | 20:54 |
| lbt | also a selection of photos against an item | 20:54 |
| lbt | also this is an aide to a human... | 20:55 |
| lcuk | photos are a great idea tbh :) | 20:55 |
| lbt | did you get the soup you wanted... it's a mnemonic to a person | 20:55 |
| lbt | not instructions to a CPU :) | 20:55 |
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| lbt | photos and notes allow exactly that "diet, full, 300ml 600ml, packet, chunky smooth plain" | 20:56 |
| lbt | rather than 93723423... hmm, can't find that... wonder what it was supposed to be? | 20:56 |
| lcuk | but with the upc database it will say | 20:56 |
| lcuk | heinz400mlchicsoup | 20:57 |
| lcuk | just like your receipt | 20:57 |
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| lcuk | simplest would be an addon later that pushes upc info into your existing fields | 20:57 |
| lbt | I think a big help would be a PC/web interface | 20:58 |
| lbt | so you can make lists more easily | 20:58 |
| lbt | a user sent me an addon so you type: | 20:58 |
| lbt | http://pastebin.com/m610bb299 | 20:58 |
| lbt | and then import that as a list | 20:58 |
| lcuk | readable xml lol | 20:59 |
| lcuk | http://www.upcdatabase.com/downloads/ :) | 20:59 |
| timeless_mbp | ok... so, the next thing is budgeting | 21:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | we used to buy Coke bottles | 21:00 |
| timeless_mbp | but we'd only buy them if their price was at/below a certain point | 21:00 |
| timeless_mbp | being able to say "buy, but only if it's on sale for less than x" (but it shouldn't use that many words) | 21:00 |
| timeless_mbp | the past tense here has a couple of components | 21:01 |
| timeless_mbp | a. I live in Finland, my family is still stateside | 21:01 |
| lbt | yes, now this is an area I've considered too | 21:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | b. my parents switched to ginger ale | 21:01 |
| lbt | frankly money was never a big deal | 21:01 |
| lbt | however I now have no job..... | 21:01 |
| lbt | itches change! | 21:01 |
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| lcuk | that would slow you down, but its probably straight forward to just put a "make sure price under" column? | 21:01 |
| timeless_mbp | c. I don't go shopping here for anything beyond tropicana orange juice | 21:02 |
| vhogemann | Help! Can't make my tablet update resolv.conf when I connect to a wifi network... | 21:02 |
| lbt | data entry on the device sucks in a supermarket... | 21:02 |
| timeless_mbp | the column would probably just be 'price' | 21:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | for Coke, it was basically $1 | 21:02 |
| vhogemann | just flashed RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 21:02 |
| timeless_mbp | if it was less than that, buy, otherwise, don't bother | 21:02 |
| lcuk | indeed lbt, hence me leaving decision to human and just display a price if one is input | 21:03 |
| vhogemann | :-( | 21:03 |
| timeless_mbp | entering prices shouldn't be done w/ the standard keyboard | 21:03 |
| timeless_mbp | you would make a full screen thing | 21:03 |
| lbt | I think having a price column makes sense - and yes, I agree timeless_mbp | 21:03 |
| timeless_mbp | you need about 11 keys and a display field for the item and the value | 21:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | (you'd probably use approximately a phone style keylayout for lack of a better description) | 21:04 |
| lbt | GAN800: wanted 2 columns.... but that was hard (sad but true) and we have rotation.... | 21:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, i think i've beaten the wishlist to death | 21:04 |
| timeless_mbp | it's past 9pm | 21:05 |
| timeless_mbp | and sp3000 was supposed to give up and consider food | 21:05 |
| timeless_mbp | (half an hour ago!) | 21:05 |
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| lbt | OK timeless_mbp... I'll look at them... but you have to install the 0.5.7 version | 21:05 |
| lbt | and see how it feels :) | 21:05 |
| timeless_mbp | someday | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | not today :) | 21:06 |
| coldboot | What's the easiest way to install 'find' in Maemo? | 21:06 |
| lbt | tomorrow is fine | 21:06 |
| lbt | coldboot apt-get install findutils | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | right now i need to try to migrate my data from mer 0.13 to mer 0.14 | 21:06 |
| lbt | heh... I have a backup utility on my task list | 21:06 |
| coldboot | lbt: What repository is it? | 21:07 |
| lbt | is it not in extras? | 21:07 |
| * lbt uses Mer for real stuff now ;) | 21:07 | |
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| lbt | apt-get install <universe> | 21:07 |
| timeless_mbp | a backup utility that isn't broken? | 21:07 |
| timeless_mbp | sounds interesting | 21:07 |
| lcuk | direct neural transfer | 21:08 |
| lcuk | subliminally gets you to enter details after a reflash | 21:08 |
| lbt | heh... we need some scoping | 21:08 |
| lbt | but, as I say, we have ubuntu/debian to fall back on now... | 21:08 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 21:09 | |
| * timeless_mbp kicks NetworkManager | 21:09 | |
| coldboot | lbt: It's not in extras. | 21:09 |
| timeless_mbp | can i use xrandr to set my screen res to 800x480? | 21:09 |
| lbt | sorry coldboot, not sure then :( | 21:09 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm @ 800x481 right now | 21:09 |
| coldboot | What repository is findutils in? | 21:09 |
| lbt | you can use it to ask your xserver nicely.... | 21:10 |
| lbt | it may ignore you | 21:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: i did it in vmware | 21:10 |
| timeless_mbp | commandline for those of us not willing to spend a month poking? :) | 21:10 |
| coldboot | It would be nice if there was some apt-cache-like app that searched all repositories intended to be public. | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: copy your /home/timeless to the new installation? | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | we are sane. | 21:10 |
| lcuk | coldboot, its called google :P | 21:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: xrandr -s 800x480 | 21:10 |
| timeless_mbp | Size 800x480 not found in available modes | 21:11 |
| timeless_mbp | :( | 21:11 |
| coldboot | lcuk: Yeah thanks for that gem. | 21:11 |
| * timeless_mbp will have to look at the vbox xml later | 21:11 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: I get it in VMWare in Windows, nothing VMWare related installed inside the VM :\ | 21:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: i installed vbox tools into mer | 21:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: /media/old/home/timeless = 1.7G | 21:13 |
| coldboot | lbt: I found it here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/f/findutils/ | 21:13 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think that'll fit in your 2GB image | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: point taken | 21:13 |
| coldboot | lbt: How does that translate into a repository link? | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: want me to make a bigger one ideally? | 21:13 |
| coldboot | lbt: I tried adding "ossw" after "non-free free" in the sources.list, got a 404. | 21:13 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: yes | 21:13 |
| timeless_mbp | but i need to give up trying to build glibc | 21:13 |
| * timeless_mbp hates glibc | 21:13 | |
| * lcuk agrees | 21:14 | |
| timeless_mbp | 1.4G build-tree/ | 21:14 |
| lbt | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/f/ | 21:15 |
| lbt | :( | 21:15 |
| lbt | it's in the pool 'cos it's in fremantle | 21:15 |
| coldboot | Why the hell was findutils not one of the first things put into Maemo? | 21:15 |
| timeless_mbp | coldboot: it's big | 21:15 |
| timeless_mbp | and most people don't need it | 21:15 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're one of those strange linux people who need it, you'll know how to install it | 21:16 |
| lbt | l8r people... thanks for the Shopper comments... much appreciated. | 21:16 |
| timeless_mbp | and maemo started out w/ just busybox for speed/size reasons | 21:16 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: thanks for listening | 21:16 |
| timeless_mbp | keep up the good work | 21:16 |
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| coldboot | It's a pain in the ass when you're developing for it. | 21:16 |
| timeless_mbp | but remember: user testing is more important than wishlist | 21:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | coldboot: for or in? | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | coldboot: sardine can syndrome | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | part of mer's purpose is to get out of the sardine can syndrome | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:17 |
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| coldboot | timeless_mbp: for and in | 21:17 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: fwiw | 21:18 |
| timeless_mbp | fremantle r&d images failed today... they didn't fit | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | features features features | 21:18 |
| * timeless_mbp thinks it's more like "debug symbols, debug symbols, debug symbols" | 21:18 | |
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| JamieBennett | Is it bad etiquette to chase up C.V. applications if you haven't had a reply in a week? Not even a 'we have you C.V. and are considering it' or 'No go away' response. It's getting me paranoid thinking maybe my .pdf attachment didn't get through some spam filters/firewalls | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | what happened to sending real cvs (unless requested specifically to do so) | 21:20 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk as in snail mail? | 21:20 |
| lcuk | yeah | 21:20 |
| RST38h | Jamie: Calling back in a week and asking about the status is ok | 21:20 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk snailmail is so 90's ;) | 21:21 |
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| coldboot | lcuk: You mean mailing a resume? | 21:21 |
| lcuk | :) you can still make a bigger impact if your cv is well presented and in physical form infront of them ;) | 21:21 |
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| JamieBennett | RST38h I was going to email (without attachments) following it up politely. Would a call be better? I'm useless at this, never been 'unemployed' always gone from job to job. | 21:22 |
| RST38h | Jamie: Call is better. | 21:22 |
| coldboot | lcuk: If someone mailed me their resume I would be annoyed, because I know they're trying to get my attention by being inefficient. And I wouldn't have it for reference later, in my email account. | 21:22 |
| RST38h | Jamie: They have no way to ignore your call. | 21:22 |
| RST38h | Email can be safely ignored | 21:22 |
| coldboot | JamieBennett: I'd say a call after an email is best. | 21:22 |
| RST38h | Also, a phone call shows that you are actually interested in getting a job | 21:23 |
| coldboot | JamieBennett: Laziness is a factor that comes into play with email and snail mail, but receiving a call is hard to ignore. | 21:23 |
| RST38h | And not just throwing your CVs around | 21:23 |
| philip_ | is the source code for brainstorm available in svn? | 21:23 |
| lcuk | i agree with that rst :) | 21:23 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 21:23 | |
| JamieBennett | RST38h: agreed but it could lead to some awquard calls. I think email then a couple of days to respond then call? | 21:23 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so, glibc-2.9 is 156MB, that's after deleting the build tree | 21:24 |
| timeless_mbp | the rest of my home directory is 37MB | 21:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | (plus glibc targz 22MB and a glibc diff 2.6MB) | 21:24 |
| RST38h | Jamie: If you are too shy to talk to people, you will not find a job. | 21:24 |
| RST38h | Jamie: "Not interested? Your loss." is the basic attitude you should assume about these calls | 21:25 |
| JamieBennett | RST38h Far from shy just trying to play the etiquette card. Not sure on the proceedure. | 21:25 |
| JamieBennett | RST38h: agreed | 21:25 |
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| Jaffa | JamieBennett: The problem with a followup email *then* a call is that you're drawing to attention them ignoring you. However, calling after a single email can be done under a legitimate pretence of concern | 21:32 |
| johnsq | Hi | 21:32 |
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| JamieBennett | Jaffa: Sounds right. A 'look I'm serious about working for you' attitude would probably be best. | 21:33 |
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| JamieBennett | rather than a 'I'm waiting for an email back' attitude. | 21:34 |
| RST38h | Actually, the only way to interest an employer in hiring you is to show that you have got something they need | 21:34 |
| RST38h | Showing you are serious is necessary but not sufficient | 21:35 |
| Proteous-phone | mad skillz | 21:35 |
| RST38h | not necessarily, usually some weird piece of knowledge or experience | 21:35 |
| Proteous-phone | how to milk a cat | 21:35 |
| Proteous-phone | and make cheese | 21:35 |
| RST38h | as in "had experience sterilizing male chimpanzees" | 21:35 |
| Proteous-phone | heh | 21:36 |
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| fiferboy | Strangely the thing most people at work remember about my resume is that I used to give historic music, musket, and artilery demonstrations... | 21:36 |
| JamieBennett | Not trying to 'beat my own drum' but my C.V. reads quite well I think. Hopefully it will stand out *hoping* | 21:36 |
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| RST38h | fiferboy: were there casualties? | 21:37 |
| Proteous-phone | heh | 21:37 |
| fiferboy | No, I successfully completed five years with no more than a couple of minor burns | 21:37 |
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| JamieBennett | www.linuxuk.org/Work/cv.pdf is anyone wants to give pointers | 21:38 |
| lcuk | wow, i didnt know historical music was so dangerous | 21:38 |
| fiferboy | I almost took a fife to the eye one time | 21:38 |
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| fiferboy | And if you think remounting a skin drum head to a side-slung, rope-tensioned tenor snare drum is a walk in the park, you have another thing coming | 21:39 |
| RST38h | Jamie: is "orientated" a legal English word? | 21:39 |
| thopiekar | hey could someone make me please a portaudio19 package for my mixxx port [tabletDJ] ? | 21:39 |
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| * xnt14[n810] wants to throw his nit out the window because of application manager | 21:42 | |
| JamieBennett | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/orientated | 21:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | keep the nit; use apt-get | 21:42 |
| RST38h | ah, shit, it is actually a subject of controversy | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Jamie: yea, just googled | 21:42 |
| JamieBennett | RST38h: A couple of spellings it seems. | 21:43 |
| RST38h | orientated appears to be more UK specific | 21:44 |
| JamieBennett | Ah, I didn't know that. | 21:44 |
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| thopiekar | :| | 21:52 |
| thopiekar | does anyone of you know why this fails http://pastebin.com/d4ef351cb ? | 21:53 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows anything about mDDR vs SDRAM memory? | 21:53 |
| RST38h | Low level stuff? As in settings that make the best use of mDDR? | 21:53 |
| zakkm | thopiekar: no qt4 installed? scorn wasnt compiled with qt4 ? | 21:57 |
| thopiekar | it is strange I excecuted scons in a fresh source-folder of mixxx and it works.. | 21:58 |
| thopiekar | give me some mins | 21:58 |
| zakkm | that might not of wanted qt4 though. | 21:58 |
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| zakkm | compiled with qt4 support* | 21:59 |
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| solarion | how does one swap caps lock and ctrl for an attached keyboardA | 22:16 |
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| johnsq | solarion: x11 xmodmap | 22:18 |
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| solarion | johnsq: what package is that in? | 22:19 |
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| johnsq | solarion: I don't know. | 22:20 |
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| tank-man | xmodmap is part of X11 | 22:21 |
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| solarion | tank-man: I can't seem to find it | 22:22 |
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| tank-man | seems like you have to dl it | 22:23 |
| solarion | from what repo? | 22:23 |
| tank-man | I dont know. | 22:23 |
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| solarion | :/ | 22:24 |
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| thopiekar | zakkm: doesn't it just means that scons is searching for the qt python module? | 22:28 |
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| johnsq | solarion: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=98e730d4a9e4531b2b253f4b21b4d027&t=21848 | 22:29 |
| zakkm | theres no qt4-___ installed, or scorn wanst compiled with qt4_--- support | 22:29 |
| thopiekar | hmm ok .. libqt4-dev is installed | 22:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | scons is python right? the log said something about importing qt? do you have pyqt installed? | 22:31 |
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| thopiekar | have installed python2.5-qt4-dev-tools now.. | 22:33 |
| thopiekar | aahh | 22:33 |
| thopiekar | sb1 overwrites python with its own! | 22:34 |
| thopiekar | :| | 22:34 |
| zakkm | the horror! | 22:34 |
| * thopiekar hates scratchbox! | 22:34 | |
| thopiekar | is there a way to compile with scons in a chroot? | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | just run it with 'python2.5' | 22:35 |
| thopiekar | aah k | 22:35 |
| thopiekar | "#!/usr/bin/env python2.5" ? | 22:35 |
| zakkm | If i were to compile something in mer and create a deb, would that work in maemo ? | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | thopiekar: should do it | 22:36 |
| thopiekar | zakkm: depending on the dependencies of the package.. | 22:36 |
| thopiekar | .:P | 22:36 |
| zakkm | no dependencies | 22:36 |
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| zakkm | well nothing maemo doesnt have | 22:36 |
| RST38h | Use sb2. | 22:36 |
| RST38h | It sucks less. | 22:37 |
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| thopiekar | ?! Error: QT path does not exist or QT4 is not installed. | 22:37 |
| zakkm | sonata in mer is so cool :D | 22:37 |
| thopiekar | is sb2 available for x64, too? | 22:37 |
| RST38h | Hmmm... STMP37xx decided to look for network for some reason | 22:38 |
| solarion | johnsq: I can't find the repo information on that page, tho | 22:38 |
| zakkm | wait whats scorn ? | 22:38 |
| * thopiekar tries to compile his package in osbs | 22:38 | |
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| thopiekar | zakkm: I you mean me.. its sb1's scons... maemo's repos don't have their own package.. | 22:39 |
| johnsq | solarion: I hoped they tell it, sorry | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: it doesn't like you 'kidnapping' it and wants to call home to the manufacturer | 22:39 |
| solarion | johnsq: thanks for the link, tho. I'm only one step away from success. :) | 22:39 |
| solarion | bt keyboard is pretty nice; just need to make emacs suck less through it | 22:40 |
| solarion | if I had local emacs, bzr, and g++/gcc, I'd be a pretty happy boy | 22:40 |
| johnsq | solarion: that why i install gentoo, i need vim git and gcc :) | 22:41 |
| zakkm | mer could do that too couldnt it? | 22:41 |
| solarion | johnsq: you installed gentoo on your n810? | 22:41 |
| solarion | zakkm: what is mer? | 22:41 |
| RST38h | qwerty: It's manufacturer hates Linux | 22:42 |
| zakkm | ohhh that is sick!!! :D | 22:42 |
| johnsq | solarion: yes | 22:42 |
| solarion | it looks like the maemo extras might have a (broken) x11 setup | 22:42 |
| zakkm | vlc on mer! :D | 22:42 |
| RST38h | qwerty: No reason it should call for him | 22:42 |
| zakkm | adds system tray icon and everything | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 22:44 |
| solarion | johnsq: you're a braver person than I. ;) | 22:44 |
| zakkm | solarion: theres a whole guide and everything. | 22:45 |
| zakkm | and repositories and such | 22:45 |
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| zakkm | solarion: http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 | 22:45 |
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| solarion | zakkm: thanks | 22:47 |
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| solarion | whelp, back at it | 22:48 |
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| xnt14 | ~ssh b-man.xceleo.org | 22:53 |
| xnt14 | xD | 22:53 |
| zakkm | xnt14: omg | 22:54 |
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| xnt14 | zakkm, just wanted to see if infobot would react :P | 22:56 |
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| zakkm | any chance you would know how to make mer menu items? | 22:58 |
| zakkm | where the .desktops are perhaps | 22:58 |
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| zakkm | emergency calls? http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3662/3617807997_70a219c34d.jpg?v=0 | 23:00 |
| lopz | hola | 23:00 |
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| Corsac | zakkm: where's that shot from? | 23:09 |
| zakkm | its frm fremantle, qole discovered it | 23:09 |
| Corsac | so that definitely means GSM support :) | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | just means fremantle can support phones | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | big woop | 23:09 |
| zakkm | lol | 23:10 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: telling me mer willhave gsm support too? :P | 23:10 |
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| JamieBennett | zakkn: thats been know for some time now. | 23:12 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3745 : Multiboot support | 23:12 |
| lbt | do we have that kernel? | 23:13 |
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| Stskeeps | no, we don't have kexec | 23:14 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, big woop yourself. :P | 23:14 |
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| lbt | GAN800: nah, it's just Skype emergency calls... | 23:15 |
| GAN800 | Bleh, Skype better not be integrated. | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | "help! i'm stuck inside a 770!" | 23:16 |
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| * GAN800 WSoDs Stskeeps. | 23:18 | |
| zakkm | skype is amazing :D | 23:19 |
| b-man16 | rofl | 23:19 |
| lbt | skype me | 23:20 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: "orientated" means the person writing the thing isn't a native speaker | 23:20 |
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| RST38h | timeless: apparently not, google for it. | 23:22 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: Orientated is currently preferred use in general British use. Oriented is prevalent in technical use, and in the US. | 23:22 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutgrammar/oriented | 23:22 |
| * RST38h is still impressed how stmp3738 manages to rotate one background, show the second one on top, show some sprites on top of that and STILL plays the music | 23:23 | |
| RST38h | Little chip that could, indeed... | 23:24 |
| johnsq | c64 could it also | 23:24 |
| RST38h | Respectable 46fps | 23:24 |
| RST38h | c64 could not, sorry. | 23:24 |
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