IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2009-06-01

* stskeepsie yawns00:01
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stskeepsie'lo rm_you00:04
rm_youyo00:05
stskeepsiehow was carnival? if it was still going on :P00:05
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rm_youwe didn't really even find it, lol00:06
rm_youjust wandered and ate and got tired eventually :P00:06
stskeepsieyeah i know the feeling00:07
lcukhye rm_you \o00:07
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stskeepsiethe train i was originally going to take broke, so the next train (which i made) was delayed and filled with people from first train00:07
qwerty12_N800hi stskeepsie, rm_you00:07
rm_youlol hey lcuk00:08
rm_yousafely home i see00:08
stskeepsie'lo qwerty12_N80000:08
lcukmmmm, im home00:08
rm_youlol wow sts00:08
rm_youit BROKE? >_>00:08
lcukyou MADE a train?00:08
rm_youlol00:08
rm_youthe (which I made) does sound humorous even IN context, actually :P00:08
stskeepsierm_you: yeah they had to empty it and push it away :P00:08
stskeepsiewhich i made it to :P00:09
lcuklol00:09
stskeepsiethe metro got stuck as well00:10
lcukmy mmc is still corrupt :( it looks like ive lost all the notes from the last week00:10
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lcukhey johnx \o00:11
stskeepsiewb johnx00:11
stskeepsielcuk: just because maemo says it's corrupt doesn't mean it is00:11
stskeepsie:P00:11
qwerty12_N800ello johnx00:11
lcukok stskeepsie thats a good point, but i havent got another mmc reader00:11
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wazdjohnx: heya00:12
johnxmorning wazd00:12
stskeepsielcuk: another n800 maybe00:12
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wazdjohnx: It's 1:12 AM in here so yep, mornin' :D00:12
stskeepsiewazd o/00:12
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madlordhello00:13
johnxhey GAN800 :)00:14
wazdjohnx: I've read your description of dev/ device, interesting :)00:14
madlordi have a maemo n800, and i have a problem with my internal sd card, it is doesn't mounting00:14
johnxyup. that was a really big risk on Nokia's part00:14
johnxmadlord: have you tried backing it up and formatting it?00:15
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qwerty12_N800johnx: I'm surprised though, you weren't bound to secrecy?00:15
madlordI just tried to replace it by another with more space, but now, the file /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exists00:15
stskeepsieqwerty12_N800: no NDAs. no pictures however either00:15
stskeepsieand we didn't see anyone getting tackled .. ;)00:16
madlordjohnx: but it is not recognized anyway00:16
qwerty12_N800Ah, that's fair enough00:16
wazdjohnx: Were there any comments on recent rumors?00:16
madlordjohnx: in the pc i can see the contents inside the card00:16
johnxmadlord: interesting? and on the device, the /dev/mmcblk0 device doesn't even show up?00:17
wazdbtw we have one person in here in Russia, host of mobile-review.com, called Eldar Murtazin00:17
johnxalso note: you can't have it mounted on the PC and N8x0 at the same time00:18
rm_youi didn't really hear them comment about the leaked info, but you could tell they were a little bit tense, possibly related? also possibly cause they were showing us dev devices and didn't want THEM leaked >_>00:18
madlordjohnx: I don't have any /dev/mmc*00:18
wazdHe's in touch with Nokia (as he says) and about 2 months ago he told in one of his podcasts that he actually have the pre-release new maemo device00:19
stskeepsiewazd: hehe. it's nothing to deal with media - it's a beagleboard with lipstick and a touchscreen, if we look at it cynically00:19
stskeepsiewe didnt get to see any nokia devices00:19
johnxmadlord: is it plugged into the PC right now while you're looking?00:19
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madlordjohnx: ah yes, I removed from tablet and inserted on the computer just to test00:19
stskeepsiejust stuff developers hack on00:19
stskeepsiethat the mix was interesting anyway is neat :P00:19
madlordjohnx: it's plugged on the tablet now00:20
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madlordjohnx: it is the default nokia card that comes with the maemo box00:20
wazdSo I think he's talking crap :)00:20
madlordjohnx: maybe some script is not running (/etc/rc.d/*) or some module should be loaded?00:21
johnxmadlord: and it works in the other slot?00:21
madlordjohnx: no, in any slot00:22
johnxand other cards work in the tablet?00:22
madlordno00:22
johnxand the tablet's not plugged into anything else with the USB cable?00:23
madlordno00:23
madlordit's alone00:24
johnxit does need the g_file_storage kernel module loaded00:24
johnxerrr...actually, no that's not right...00:24
johnxmmc/sd support should be compiled into the kernel00:24
madlordhum00:24
madlordbut I think it's compiled to do that, because it was recognized until now :)00:25
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madlordthe external slot never worked, but the internal yes00:25
johnxyeah, it sounds like a hardware problem00:26
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madlorddmesg don't returns any usefull information00:26
madlordhum00:26
madlordjohnx: the files /dev/mmc* just is showed when the card is plugged in?00:27
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johnxcorrect I believe, let me test real quick00:28
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rabelaiscan anyone comment on how well dates+syncevolution on the N810 works with a syncml server (e.g. horde/kronolith)?00:38
madlordjohnx: I don't know if this is relevant, but in /proc/devices has a lot of information of Block devices, which has "65 sd" "66 sd" ... "135 sd" "254 mmc"00:39
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madlordvarious sd informations00:39
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GAN800Hi, johnx.00:50
stskeepsieevening gan00:50
GAN8001Howdy00:53
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timeless_mbphi00:56
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Renesis_IRC is much easier to use than I thought it would be, what a disappointment...01:02
stskeepsieyeah, it's sometimes too easy :P01:03
mavhcwelcome to the top 1% of the internet!01:03
GeneralAntillesDirty little whore01:03
GeneralAntillesand to think some people want to make it easier. ;)01:03
madlordjohnx: the cards are working :)01:04
Renesis_What's the world coming to?01:04
GeneralAntillesRenesis_, looks like somebody registered Renesis. Have to do RX or something.01:04
FirebirdRX?01:05
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lcuk\o02:32
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GAN800lcuk, did you get your tablet fixed?02:59
lcuktablet aint broke, its just the memory card inside it thats corrupt03:00
lcukand no :(03:00
lcukits still corrupted03:00
GAN800The N800?03:00
lcukno, 810 primary dev machine03:00
lcukerrr card inside the..03:00
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GAN800Well, I'm asking about the N800, :p03:00
lcukahhh well, noi should be entirely feasible to open the dump,i should be entirely feasible to open the dump,03:01
* GAN800 wonders what people don't get about 'the software was jus the beta SDK'.03:01
lcukmmm how did i paste that twice03:01
* lcuk puts it where it was meant to be03:01
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lcukGAN800, i thought that went really well, johnx described it really well, it was v similar to the sdk environment on realistic hardware03:03
* lcuk loves the screen :$03:03
lcukGAN800, its so sensitive :D03:03
GeneralAntilles5800 touchscreen is nice03:04
lcukhave you got your tablet infront of you03:04
GeneralAntillesOne of the things that really bothers me about the iPhone is trying to place the cursor.03:04
GeneralAntillesIt's damn near impossible03:04
GeneralAntillesBut wonderfully accurate with the 5800.03:04
lcukthat doesnt enter your mind, the ui does work well03:04
lcuki didnt think iphone had a cursor03:05
GeneralAntillesEntering text03:06
GeneralAntillesI-beam03:06
lcukahhh yeah k03:06
lcukyou seen pictures of the event?03:07
GeneralAntillesA few on Flickr, haven't really looked around though03:07
lcukeveryone was wearing bright red shirts03:07
* lcuk kept thinking of ensign expendable :D03:07
lcukthe smartq is rather odd as well03:08
lcukits light as a feather, it really felt like it was an empty shell03:08
GeneralAntillesI don't like light stuff03:10
GeneralAntillesFeels too cheap03:10
lcukheh if you shake it too hard the wifi will disconnect from the board :|03:10
lcukthe prototype things had a great weight :)03:11
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GeneralAntillesWeight is good03:14
GeneralAntillesDunno why people complain about it.03:14
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lcukGeneralAntilles, there is a limit of course lol03:16
Macermy son passed out03:16
lcuk:S03:16
* Macer hurries up and sleeps03:16
lcukahhh gnite macer03:16
Macerhaha03:16
Macerhave to get it when i can ;)03:16
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GAN8001lcuk, of course.03:17
Macer3 year olds don't care about your sleep03:17
Macer:)03:17
lcukyeah understood entirely03:17
GAN8001lcuk, but bitching over tens of grams is silly.03:17
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MacerGAN8001: i think measuing things by mass is odd03:19
lcukGAN8001 in some industries it matters, for a tablet its not worth it03:19
GAN8001lcuk, context. :P03:19
Maceri always thought a gram was a measurement of mass03:19
Macerand not a measurement of weight03:19
GAN8001I say we measure everything in lcuks03:20
Macerhaha03:21
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Maceri would rather it were newtons03:21
GAN8001We'll have a team of Swiss engineers to weigh him every morning and send out unit updates.03:21
lcukyou are onto something, infact i think you have put your finger on it03:22
Macerhahaha03:22
lcukcan you not send out a team of international nubile nurses03:23
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GAN8001For you, lcuk? Anything.03:23
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lcuk:D03:24
GAN8001They'll have to be German, though.03:24
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lcukoh errr , maybe i would turn some of em away lol03:25
* lcuk is sooooooo impressed by this weekend though, kees has managed to package up libliqbase03:27
Macer“ The yard or the metre shall be the unit of measurement of length and the pound or the kilogram shall be the unit of measurement of mass by reference to which any measurement involving a measurement of length or mass shall be made in the United Kingdom; and- (a) the yard shall be 0·9144 metre exactly; (b) the pound shall be 0·45359237 kilogram exactly.”03:27
lcukand we are gonna get it into garage as a standalone lib soon :)03:27
Macercould you imagine being the guy who had to write that act?03:27
Macerhe probably fell asleep on it :)03:27
christefanohmm, my N810 battery is dead. does anyone know which mobile phone charger will work with the N810?03:29
GAN8001christefano, pretty much any recent Nokia one?03:30
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Firebirdnokia uses standard DC in jacks?03:30
christefanoah, I should look on eBay for compatible chargers03:30
GAN8001christefano, Amazon has the AC-4U for about $203:30
christefanolooks like the N96 and N82 use the same charger03:31
lcukchristefano, yeah standard nokia charger03:31
lcukin quotes lol03:31
christefanocool03:31
Maceri still never understood why nokia just didn't use usb charging03:32
GAN8001Macer, they will for the next one.03:33
Macerwell. that's good :)03:33
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Maceri mean. it's not that big of a deal, but forgetting your charger with a nokia is a pain if you can't find someone with it03:33
GAN8001It does mean you can use USB host while plugged in.03:33
Macermost people have a standard usb charger03:33
MacerGAN8001: why not? :)03:34
Macerit can charge off the computer03:34
Maceroh.. you said "can"03:34
Macerheh03:34
Macerwhat i think was a bad idea03:35
Maceris the G1 using the usb port for earphones03:35
Macer:)03:35
Macerwhen it came out it didn't have a2dp support.. so you couldn't charge and listen to music at the smae time. wtf?03:35
Maceri've been using my n95 lately anyways. i would give anything for my G1 to have the N95's cam03:36
Macer(with flash)03:36
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* lcuk beds 03:43
lcukgnite GAN800103:44
lcukand macer if you are still floatin03:44
GAN8001later03:44
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Bobbemorning06:02
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b-man16hello Bobbie06:03
b-man16*Bobbe06:03
Bobbehey b-man06:04
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Bobbedid that sound like a doll name or was that just me?06:04
b-man16b-man or Bobbe? XD06:04
Bobbelol06:04
Bobbe"Bobbie"06:04
Bobbeanyways06:04
BobbeI'm kinda flabbergasted at Google Wave06:05
Bobbeu guys seen the demo?06:05
b-man16i haven't yet, stskeeps might have though06:05
Bobbehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UyVmITiYQ06:06
Bobbe1:20h of your time, worth every second06:06
luke-jrum no06:06
luke-jrit's Google06:06
luke-jrthey get about 30 seconds06:07
luke-jrwhen have they ever done anything that wasn't crap?06:07
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EdLinluke-jr: www.google.com ?06:07
b-man16luke-jr: why so negative tonight? XD06:07
luke-jrEdLin: it sucks lately, since Google had to change their algorithms06:08
luke-jrEdLin: try finding out what tokokyohi means with it06:08
luke-jrb-man16: people bringing up crap a lot tonight?06:08
Bobbeluke-jr, resist man. gps is coming06:08
Bobbehang in there06:09
luke-jrBobbe: it is?06:09
luke-jrhow do you know? <.<06:09
BobbeI don't, but I hope man06:09
luke-jryou have no Nokia or TI hostmask XD06:09
Bobbethat's what keeps me going06:09
luke-jrheh06:09
BobbeI wake up everyday and I look at the mirror, I point at it and say "GPS IS COMING!"06:09
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luke-jranyone want to start a new DE project?06:12
hubluke-jr: GNOME?06:13
z4chhluke-jr, ask lcuk ;p06:13
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luke-jrhub: GNOME is GTK, it doesn't count06:17
hubGNOME != GTK06:17
luke-jryou know of a non-GTK GNOME?06:17
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hubstill does not make equality06:17
Bobbelol06:17
luke-jrif libglib is a dependency, I want nothing to do with it06:17
kfxyeah it's called kde06:17
luke-jrkfx: in KDE's case, the MySQL dependency is killing it06:18
luke-jrplus Plasma06:18
hubluke-jr: CDE?06:18
kfxplus a decade of bad design decisions and half-finished projects06:18
luke-jrdoes CDE even exist anymore?06:18
kfxstill ships with solaris06:18
luke-jranyhow, I want something based on Qt406:18
kfxlots of radiation therapy software runs under openmotif or cde06:18
kfxI have no idea why06:18
hubkfx: legacy or Java/AWT06:19
kfxnew work but not java06:19
kfxI think it's because there's a sunos certified platform for the electron gun?  dunno06:19
hubno idea06:21
hubluke-jr: your argument does not stand at all anyway06:22
luke-jrwhat argument?06:22
cmugWhat is GPS?06:24
cmugthat was referred to earlier06:25
cmug(I know of the positioning system)06:25
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hubluke-jr: "glib"06:26
Bobbecmug, luke-jr wants Nokia to release control over the N810 gps core components06:29
luke-jrhub: …06:29
cmugBobbe, ah ok. Sounded like it was some new device or something06:29
Bobbestskeeps1e says Nokia is right now working with Texas Instruments to release the core components for the 3d hardware acceleration drivers, irrc06:30
Bobbeluke-jr says GPS is much more important than lame 3d drivers06:30
Bobbestskeeps1e disagreed06:30
hubI'd rather the whole software stack being freed06:30
Bobbeluke-jr disagreed further06:30
hubincluding the media player06:30
cmug:)06:30
Bobbestskeeps1e wanted to hit him with a shovel at times06:30
cmug"All should be free"06:30
cmugThat is understandable06:30
Bobbeit is always a blast to watch06:30
Bobbeyeap06:30
BobbeI agree that it's understandable06:30
BobbeI also know that we don't live in Lintopia06:31
luke-jr3D would be new06:31
Bobbe3D would be cool, probably06:31
luke-jrmy argument is that the current features should get higher priority than new stuff06:31
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Bobbewhy?06:31
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ShadowJK3d drivers would not be open anyway ;)06:43
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Bobbetrue06:46
Bobbehonestly I'd be happy with the binaries06:47
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hubbut the tablet does not have 3D GPU06:55
hubdoes it?06:55
luke-jrShadowJK: if not, it's a wasted effort06:56
luke-jrhub: it does06:56
ShadowJKhub: it does06:57
hubthe N8x0?06:57
ShadowJKyes06:58
hubwow. the documentation say it does not06:58
hubor did I mis-read06:58
hubcould be06:58
luke-jrPowerVR stuff06:58
ShadowJKwell it's not mentioned because there are no drivers06:58
hubah06:58
hubcrippled because of the vendor?06:59
Bobbeyeap06:59
BobbeTI, making our lives crappier06:59
hubreason #1 why the driver should be open WITH doc06:59
ShadowJKif you go to the manufacturer's website they have drivers for linux for newer gpus06:59
hubbecause the vendor can't be trusted anyway06:59
ShadowJKunfortunately there are no gpus with open 3d drivers :(07:00
ShadowJKoh i guess intel's desktop stuff.07:00
hubbut Pulsbo07:01
hubaka PowerVR07:01
hub(GMA 5000 or something like that)07:01
kfxwhatever happened to that opengpu project07:02
ShadowJKclosed drivers afaik07:02
RST38hmoo all07:02
kfxdid that cave in or what07:02
hubkfx: I think it still goes07:02
ShadowJKopngraphics? they're going to produce a few cards soon07:02
hubkfx: that does not mean it is usable or reasonably priced07:02
ShadowJKtrying to source parts07:02
kfxthat plus an opensparc would make a nice laptop07:02
kfxone day, when I'm six hundred years old07:02
hubShadowJK: worse: broken drivers07:03
hubShadowJK: hence the "but"07:03
ShadowJKopengraphics has at most framebuffer driver now07:03
hubATI is open now, but the driver take time07:03
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hubthe last generation have day support direct from ATI07:03
hubbut for something like a device, it is a no go07:04
ShadowJKnot that open really.. only parts of the gpu, only for older gpus?07:04
hubShadowJK: the last generation has driver direct from ATI into Xorg07:04
ShadowJKopensource?07:04
ShadowJKunobfuscated?07:04
kfxyep07:05
ShadowJKcool07:05
hubShadowJK: http://www.botchco.com/agd5f/?cat=307:05
hubShadowJK: REAL driver07:05
ShadowJKis it as stable, or unstable really, as the ati binary drivers have been?07:05
hubShadowJK: it is still work in progress, but that's because it is a lot of work07:05
hubShadowJK: but it is not the binary junk07:06
ShadowJKim using nvidia binary on desktop, and it's been rock solid and even supports hw accel of h264 :)07:06
hubrock solid? not really07:06
ShadowJKnever had a crash/oops with them :)07:08
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rkirtiWhat happens to 'unassigned' maemo bugs ?07:29
tank-manim guessing unfixed07:32
hubrkirti: nothing happens07:32
GAN800rkirti, don't read into it.07:33
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GAN800rkirti, b.m.o's triage process is, unfortunately, not perfectly rigorous lacking real dedication from Nokia.07:35
rkirtiGAN800:  yeah, I may sound paranoid here..but the reason I am keen to see them attended to is because they are essential things - about base library builds that break - and given the pace at which 'assigned' bugs move,I am concerned about what fate meets the unassigned ones07:35
GAN800Thet're frequently resolved faster than the assigned ones.07:36
hubrkirti: there is aslo the option of providing a patch07:36
GAN800Just make sure somebody knows they're there.07:36
hubthat should speed things up, at least I hope07:36
GAN800Nokians aren't particularly rigorous about following their bugmail, unfortunately.07:36
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rkirtihub: true, and its the best option. But I am not a proper hacker and definitely not level enough in this case - since the bugs are related to Hildon changes/definitions being moved to gtk+ headers and other things - decisions already controversial from what I see on the net/mailing lists.07:38
hubthe other option is to hire somebody to do it07:42
radic__hmm07:45
radic__the maemo-mapper makes a lot of CPU load07:45
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rm_youX-Fade: need to get you to reset the pyshop mailing list thing, lol09:47
thuxmorning09:47
Macerhow much overhead does xfering via ssl use?09:52
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johnxMacer: prolly about the same as scp/sftp10:05
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Myrttibtw, black laptop = fail10:23
Myrttiutter, imcomprehable fail10:23
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MacerMyrtti: something wrong with black laptops? :)10:34
Myrttiworking in the summertime10:35
hubI have a black laptop10:36
huband given that it is a thinkpad, I'd not get anything else10:36
hub(albeit this specific model surely not)10:36
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hubbut I miss the X60 I had10:38
inzMyrtti, sunshine + touchpad == good reason to learn to use the keyboard10:38
hubinz: I have a "clit"10:38
hubinstead of a touch pad10:38
inzhub, I do have both, but prefer touchpad10:39
Corsacyurk10:40
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lcuklbt, \o mornin11:48
lbthi11:48
lcukwhen did you get back11:49
lbtmidnight11:49
lcukheh i hope you slept well11:49
lcukwith actual room to stretch your legs and roll over lol11:49
lbtI did11:49
lbtyeah - nice11:49
lbtI was looking for you yesterday to get the dsc to OBS-ify liqbase11:50
lbtdon't forget11:50
lcukyeah i had "issues" on my way home11:50
lbt?11:51
lcuki got on the plane and my mmc is corrupt, no code lost (backups..) and keesj has the package stuff on his github11:51
lbtgood11:51
lcukive lost all the sketches and notes i took over the weekend tho11:51
lcuk:(11:51
lbtaw11:51
lcukfirst time ive got a hole in my stream11:51
lbtwhen you say corrupt...11:51
lcuki have managed to take a dd of the entire card and it looks like i might extract from there11:52
lcukthe superblock is dead11:52
lbtgood11:52
lcukand it wont use any of the others11:52
lbtfs?11:52
lcukext211:52
lbtgood, lots of tools11:52
lcukyeah but all of em moan and wont get further than a cursory glance11:52
lcuki tried with all the listed backups and it just wont fireup11:53
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lcukas long as the sketches themselves are contigious in the memory space i should get the raw data - though chronological order will be a problem11:55
lcukhi andre__ \o11:55
andre__heja11:55
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Stskeepie'lo andre__11:57
andre__hej hej11:57
lcukhey Stskeepie \o11:57
lbt'lo andre__11:57
lbt;)11:57
andre__heidiho11:58
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* andre__ starts another computer to say hello to him too11:59
lbthttp://homepage.smc.edu/morgan_david/cs40/analyze-ext2.htm12:00
lcukthanks lbt, that makes heavy reading this morning heh12:03
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Stskeepielcuk: take SD card, dd if=/dev/mmcblkWHATEVER of=sd.img, so you can rescue on that12:04
lcukyes Stskeepie ive got a 1gb backup on mmc2 at the moment12:04
Stskeepiek12:05
lcukand i got half over it over to my pc (when i tried it bailed out half way through with a wifi thing - diff issue not a prob)12:05
lbtactually lcuk you should have a backup, and then copy the backup and work on the copy12:05
lcukand ive looked inside and it contains lots of things and sketches are one of them12:05
lbtalso you should use ddrescue, not dd12:05
lcukyeah im not touching the card itself now12:06
lcukcan i try to mount that file itself as a live ext2 partition and use the tools on it?12:09
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lbtyes12:11
lbtloopback12:11
lbtmout -oloop ...12:11
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lbtman mount12:11
lcukheh, in my case its googling for man mount12:12
lcukthanks lbt ill do more once i get back from the park12:13
* lcuk knows its not the end of the world12:14
lcukbut it does make me re-evaluate a few things12:14
lcuklbt, how long does obs take - supposing i wanted same package available for maemo and mer and x8612:14
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lcuk:O the mapping widget adjustments i made with rm_you are gone :O:O12:24
Macerhm. the star wars cartoon isn't that bad12:25
Macerit's better than the movies :) that's kind of sad12:25
lbtlcuk: OBS takes very little time if the packaging is right12:26
lbthowever it only makes Mer images12:26
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lbtbut we're going to work with X-Fade so you can submit once and have both12:27
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sanjay6976can any body help with the following error: qmake-qt4 -d mmap: No such device or address12:40
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Stskeepiemorning qwerty1212:47
qwerty12hey Stskeepie12:47
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wazdheya maemo13:26
Stskeepslo wazd13:26
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lardmanmorning chaps13:48
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* lardman just saw one of those WinCE HTC smart phones, 3.5" screen isn't too bad13:52
* lardman tries to persuade himself ;)13:53
lardmanbut really, comparing with non-full screen on my n810, it's not far off13:53
lardmansure this has already been discussed to death mind you13:53
aquatixmorning all13:53
lardmanhi aquatix13:54
aquatixheh, just found a bash.org quote from here (i think): http://bash.org/?88478213:55
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lardmanlcuk: ping14:22
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Macerwow.  there is just no sane method to stream videos to a wii huh?14:25
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wolfohi room15:06
wolfodoes anyone have the .deb package for maemo-drac? ;)15:07
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wolfothe repository at "indt" seems to have vanished15:07
qwerty12It's in Extras: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/m/maemodrac/15:07
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wolfonot for bora15:12
wolfoa bora version existed before...15:12
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X-Fade'lo15:13
Stskeeps'lo X-Fade :)15:13
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lardmanhi X-Fade15:15
* lardman is late for Spanish, bbl15:16
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wolfothe installer says repo_deb_3  = deb http://openbossa.indt.org.br/games bora games15:16
wolfobut there's nothing there, so i guess it was deleted15:16
qwerty12wolfo: Try browsing http://openbossa.indt.org.br/games/pool/games/ ;)15:17
qwerty12'ello X-Fade15:17
wolfolol thanks15:18
X-FadeSo, I think we should do more of these developer meetings :)15:19
GeneralAntillesMacer, MPlayer works OK.15:20
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, wonder if Nokia's got the money ready for it.15:20
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Stskeepsi'm amazed of how calming effect some simple statements had15:21
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: No idea, but at least it was a very productive weekend.15:21
X-FadeAnd it gave us ideas to work on for the next months :)15:22
GeneralAntillesI'm worried about infrastructure.15:22
GeneralAntillesI know 5 people who are planning on buying.15:22
X-FadeI think this meeting helped a lot for Mer: http://twitpic.com/6902l15:22
GeneralAntillesI suspect that the increase in users is going to be just as big (if not bigger) as Nokia expected.15:23
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I'm pretty sure Nokia knows what to expect.15:23
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i was sold after a minute.15:23
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, but we're not Nokia. ;)15:24
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: True.15:24
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StskeepsX-Fade: well, yeah, but it was also a official talk on getting things moving that has been in the planning for ages.15:24
GeneralAntillesThe last thing we need is an OVI Store-style failure. Or, worse, a November 2007-style one.15:24
StskeepsX-Fade: i have scripts to do the tricks with making images on maemo.og already and such,so15:24
Stskeepsit's on the wiki somewhere.. sec15:25
Stskeepsyeah, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Proposals/Community_Firmware :P15:25
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Stskeepssome of the stuff was pre-nokia-binaries15:26
GeneralAntillesI think we'll probably be mostly OK if r.m.o is ready to handle things.15:27
X-FadeYeah, I had seen that page before.15:27
qwerty12Stskeeps: once BME Free matures, is your plan to switch to that?15:27
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Stskeepsqwerty12: yes, i just haven't gotten around to packaging it15:27
qwerty12ah15:27
X-Fadeqwerty12: One of the things to think about is that we want to make absolutely sure that this thing is not doing anything funky ;)15:28
qwerty12Yeah... fair point; but, that said, 412b's advanced-power works well for me (but, of course, that's just getting values broadcasted by hald-addon-bme)15:29
* GeneralAntilles shudders to think of the liabilities. . . .15:30
GeneralAntillesThink of the damage that would happen to Nokia's image if Engadget or somebody got wind of something.15:30
X-FadePersonally, I'd rather not run the risk. But yeah..15:30
GeneralAntillesI don't think it's something I'd ever want to see bundled. . . .15:31
X-FadeBut then again, I don't care too much about blobs. As long as they are allowed to be redistributed and don't cause too much upgrade problems ;)15:32
Stskeepsmajor difference: distributed vs redistributable15:32
Stskeeps:P15:32
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qwerty12Stskeeps: I guess Deblet SVN compared to your firmware image plan shows that difference :P15:33
qwerty12*'s15:33
X-FadeStskeeps: Yeah, well I'm thinking about maemo.org being a separate entity from Nokia. So redistributing?15:33
GeneralAntillesandre__, ping?15:34
Stskeepsyeah, redistributing from nokia but the bits aren't redistributable by people ;)15:34
X-FadeStskeeps: True.15:34
Stskeepslawyer talk is funny15:35
X-FadeStskeeps: At least the lawyers gave us some good news for Mer ;)15:35
Stskeepsyeah15:35
GeneralAntillesI hope we can get some review of the Fremantle docs before the device launches.15:36
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Which ones?15:36
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, any and all.15:36
GeneralAntillesAn alpha release-style release note quality would be really bad on the final.15:37
* GeneralAntilles isn't sure how johnkzin made the brainstorm mod list.15:38
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X-FadeGeneralAntilles: I seem to recall that it was the idea to have the docs available for us before launch, but I'd have to check.15:40
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GeneralAntillesandre__, ping timeout. ;)15:47
* GeneralAntilles goes to work.15:47
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RST38hreMoo16:35
rm_youlol16:35
Stskeepsmoo RST38h16:35
RST38hHow are things? I see (on ITT) that someone has already started salivating over arrow keys on that developer unit? =)16:36
johnxallo RST38h16:36
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johnxweeell, the fact that they showed arrow keys on one keyboard layout on a dev device doesn't necessarily mean we'll see them on shipping hardware16:37
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RST38hjohnx: the location does not sound all that good to me too =(16:38
Stskeepshonestly the entire keyboard can act like a dpad16:38
Stskeepsit's soft like that16:38
RST38hjohnx: Maybe we should hint to Nokia devs to request those four buttons SNES-style on the back panel, where they can act as camera controls too? =)16:39
derfSo they've fixed the horrible stiffness problems the N810 keyboard has?16:39
RST38hSts: It can't, lot more goes into a good dpad than just buttons unfrotunately16:39
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RST38hSts: N810 had a dpad and what good was it?16:39
Stskeepsderf: well. this isn't a final device or even one they'll ship. i liked it's keyboard though.16:40
derfYou practically had to hit the buttons with a mallet to depress them.16:40
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RST38hderf: You obviously never used BK0010 =)16:40
derfWith that the case, it doesn't matter if they're arranged in a d-pad form.16:40
johnxsomehow the N810 buttons felt stuck or something16:40
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johnxthis keyboard feels a lot better16:40
derfGood.16:40
derfRST38h: And no, I haven't.16:40
RST38hderf: http://www.jocys.com/evaldas/images/Elektronika_BK-0010_Large.jpg (and yes, it is as painful as it looks)16:41
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Stskeepsinteresting fact: n900 specs thread died completely16:45
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lcukmr lardman, wtf are you doing online now - aren't you meant to be on honeymoon?16:45
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mib_8w4x7qhello16:46
cosmois there any solution or known cause for N810 slowness problem?16:47
Stskeepswhich one? :P16:47
lcukn810 isnt slow, its your perception of reality thats been sped up16:47
cosmolocking screen takes a long time and eventually the device reboots16:47
mib_8w4x7qmaybe you clogged it up with apps16:48
lcuka slow device is indicative of bad apps running16:48
cosmoi'm even suspecting it's hardware failure, as it kept happening after i flashed the device16:48
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lcukdid you flash and test, or flash, restore apps, then test..16:48
mib_8w4x7qhow many apps are installed on it16:48
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cosmoi flashed, installed a couple off apps (openss, owm etc) and then noticed it still happens16:49
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lcukthen try it without installing apps..16:49
RST38hcosmo: I your N810 did not have any amphetamines, give it some. Otherwise, stop taking them yourself.16:49
lcukthen you have a small set of apps that it might be related to16:49
cosmoi'll have to do that next16:49
RST38h=)16:49
cosmowell, the only 'daemon' app is openssh server. disabling owm didn't help16:50
mib_8w4x7qare you running windows?16:50
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mib_8w4x7qyou guys on this chat are computer savvy so i have a question16:50
* lcuk isnt computer savvy16:51
mib_8w4x7qcan professional sites like youtube fall victim to cookie stealing16:51
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mib_8w4x7qso if i logg into youtube and somebody tries to steal my cookies would it work16:51
lcukseseme street has a problem with cookie stealing16:51
* RST38h steals a cookie from mib_* then eats it16:51
cmugfor some reason I saw those comments coming far, far away16:52
fiferboylbt: ping?16:52
lbthi fiferboy16:52
lcuklol cmug16:52
fiferboyHey David, how was Copenhagen?16:52
mib_8w4x7qor am i safe using youtube and then getting the cookies stolen16:52
cmugIt's like waving a bone to a dog16:52
lcukmib_8w4x7q, if you keep your cookies in a lockable jar on the top shelf no1 will steal them16:53
lbtmib_8w4x7q: soak them in milk... makes them harder to pick up16:53
mib_8w4x7qhonestly can i please have an answer16:53
cmugeat them all ?16:53
lbtit was good ...16:53
lcukyou have many answers16:53
lcukinfact, you have had more answers for this topic than anything else16:53
lbtmanaged to run Qt on the new device16:54
lcukdo you worry about cookie stealing on your desktop?16:54
mib_8w4x7qyes16:54
cmugWhat is defined as a cookie16:54
lcuklbt, and wasted a wonderful opportunity to scare the pants of the nokia guys16:54
lcukmib_8w4x7q, why?16:54
lbt<sigh>16:54
rm_youmib_8w4x7q: i wouldn't worry16:54
* lcuk never worries about cookies16:54
lbtwe had bounce and everything...16:54
mib_8w4x7qwell because somebody could hack into my youtube account16:54
cmugI would rather worry about people having access to my desktop firt16:54
cmugfirst*16:54
lcuknow, my penguins - thats a different story16:55
lcukmib_8w4x7q, for what gain?16:55
lcukfinancial reward?16:55
lbtfiferboy: they were impressed enough that I won a trip to Holland out of it :)16:55
lcukor just to watch dodgy videos16:55
mib_8w4x7qwell ive protected my desktop16:55
fiferboylbt: Nice!16:55
lcukand have them linked to related stuff when you post new ones16:55
lbtnow I need to let them know you were on the team and see what they say...16:55
mib_8w4x7qim using youtube as an example16:55
cmuglbt, who from Nokia was there?16:55
lcukmib_8w4x7q, how did you protect your desktop?16:55
mib_8w4x7qany professional website16:55
fiferboylbt: What's this about running on a new device?16:56
lbtquim, neils, sonia, johannes... loads of other16:56
lcuk"no cookies are left in this computer overnight"16:56
lbtsdk people for gtk though16:56
cmugNone ring a bell :)16:56
lbtyeah... need irc handles16:56
mib_8w4x7qi have a firewall and such16:56
lcukmib_8w4x7q, a software firewall?16:57
lbtno Qt people16:57
cmugmib_8w4x7q, ahha, but you're connected to the Internet! There is your caveat16:57
mib_8w4x7qyes16:57
lcukoooooh thats worse16:57
cmugI have a trolltech cap16:57
lcukfalse sense of security16:57
lbtbut they were clear about the Qt mid-term future16:57
lbtcmug... :D16:57
mib_8w4x7qargh im getting nowhere slowly16:57
lcukhave you got a hardware router with proper IDS?16:57
mib_8w4x7qyeah why not16:58
fiferboylbt: What's the plan for Qt?16:58
lbtQt is available in fremantle16:58
cmugHow about physical access to the firewall, is it secure enough?16:58
lbtand supported in harmattan (sp?)16:58
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cmuglbt, what does that mean in practice16:58
mib_8w4x7qi just want to know about cookie stealing for no16:58
mib_8w4x7qw16:58
lbtand it has leaked that the new device has 256 RAM so we'll be easier to dual-toolkit16:58
cmugthey're switching totally to QT?16:58
lbtI doubt it16:58
lbtnot in harmattan16:59
lbttoo much community gtk16:59
fiferboyMaybe harmattan + 1...16:59
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cmugk16:59
lbtand hildonised Qt moving to mobile space16:59
fiferboyToo bad nobody from Qt was there17:00
Pavlovit was a good weekend17:00
lbtyeah... they tried apparently17:00
fiferboyI assume your trip to Holland will have a lot of Qt people, though?17:00
lbtI hope so17:00
lbtI think it was nice to see the theming in Shopper though... it looked very cool on the new device17:01
lbtand the bounce was great17:01
lbtit actually looked very integrated17:02
cmugbounce?17:02
lbtovershoot on fingerscrolling17:02
lbtcmug: you know I implemented fingerscroll (kinetic) on QAbstractScrollArea17:03
cmugI do now17:03
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lbtand then added the hildon (iphone) overshoot/bounce effect17:03
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lbtand am trying to get it accepted as a community contribution to Hildon-Qt17:03
cmugAh that17:03
lbtyeah17:03
lbtthat17:03
cmugthe wow is strong in that17:04
fiferboylbt: Did you get to do any hacking on Qt?17:04
lbtcmug:    ? the bounce..... or doing it in Qt17:04
lcuklbt, you never saw just how super speedy liqbase was on the new device did you17:04
lbtfiferboy: lcuk: no17:04
lcuki thought it was slick before - this really is running on baconfat17:04
lbtheh17:04
Pavlovheh17:04
lcukand goes on and on and on17:04
cmuglbt, the bounce effect17:05
lbtpost-departure we all reckon you should port to Gl17:05
cmugin general17:05
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lbtI thought it was eye candy17:05
lbtbut it's good ui feedback17:05
cmugNever thought of it that way, but I agree17:06
* lbt prostrated himself in abject apology to all those he slighted17:06
Pavlovlbt: is your patch for the qt stuff up anywhere?17:06
cmugI understood 7 of those words17:06
lbtstill it's nice that I got "1 up" on the gtk crowd17:07
fiferboyAh, toolkit wars :)17:07
lbtmy fingerscroll is native... you don't need a special pannable area17:07
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lbtPavlov: gitorious17:07
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lbthttp://gitorious.org/qt-maemo17:08
Pavlovcool17:09
Pavlovi've written a lot of similar code for fennec17:09
lbthttp://gitorious.org/+qt-maemo-developers/qt/qt-maemo17:09
lbtah... fiferboy helped find some edge cases ... like nested scrollareas17:10
Pavlovyeah, those are kind of a pain17:10
lbtI allow passthrough of clicks and click-drag to child widgets17:10
Pavlovalthough not too bad17:10
lbtwhich is kinda neat17:10
lardmanhey lcuk, am off on Friday, work to get finished before I go17:10
lcukfiferboy, toolkit wars arent that bad as long as good code is written, the results can be shared and percolated17:10
lbt(well, uber-cook actually)17:10
lcukand linux is a great place to allow everthing17:10
fiferboylbt: Do you have any plans on how to treat text areas?17:11
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lbt?17:11
fiferboylcuk: I agree, but you have to admit they are fun to watch17:11
lbtyou mean the virt keyboard issue?17:11
fiferboylbt: Yes17:11
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lbtSEP17:11
lbtI need to put another hat on and kick myself <sigh>17:12
lcukfiferboy, im in the middle of it myself lol17:12
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lcuklbt, im going to totally rebuild my dev env - losing the comfort of the memory card might have been a good thing17:12
lcukthough its really gonna slow me down!17:13
* lbt nods17:13
lcukrm was shocked when he saw me build and run and CTRL C from the program to make changes17:13
RST38hEhhehehe17:13
lbtshocked or stunned17:13
lbt<grin>17:13
lcukshocked17:14
lcukdev for me is such a low level thing17:14
lcukits really quick and simple to design and test17:14
lcukAND - extra bonus now i have a lib :: its essentially just ssh+gcc+libliqbase-dev ;)17:14
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lcukand you can make liq* apps on device17:15
lcuknot really wasting mega tonnes of space, cos loads of things are encapsulated within libliqbase17:15
lardmanwhere's your new code then lcuk, we want to play :)17:15
* lcuk cant wait for it to be in extras :)17:15
lcuklardman, search google for libliqbase, keesj has a public git branch17:16
lcukof the library with packaging stuff17:16
lardmancool17:16
lcukits still not in extras yet obviously lol17:16
lcukbut we got it running17:16
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lcukthe actual vworld main liqbase app is there as well, but the package is a bit more messy, that will take some reshaping first17:16
Pavlovlbt: heh, every single kinetic scrolling impl i've seen is done differently17:18
lcukPavlov, and they are all inferior to mine :D17:18
Pavlovuh huh ;)17:18
Bobbelol17:18
Bobbemodesty is a virtue17:18
Bobbebut i do feel lcuk's is faster than anything else I've used17:18
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* lcuk wrote the simplest implementation17:18
* fiferboy is the most modest person here17:19
Bobbecanola's pretty good, tho17:19
Pavlovwe used to have a crazy complicated version17:19
lcukBobbe, its not just fastest, its the actual working, i see huge jumps happen with others17:19
* lbt is just awesome17:19
lcukheh17:19
Pavlovi threw it out made it simple heh17:19
Bobbelol17:19
lcukgood17:19
lbtand has a prize to prove it <gloat>17:19
Bobbelbt, if it's your daughter's Dad of the Year mug it doesn't count17:19
BobbeBiased awarder17:20
lcuklbt, your expansion of existing qt stuff is really really really beneficial17:20
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lbtPavlov: I wrote mine and it was very similar to the Qt guy who did flickcharm17:20
lbtthen he suggested I make it state based17:21
lbtand at that point it was almost identical17:21
Pavlovyeah, the state based for clicks vs drags is useful17:21
fiferboyFlickCharm has some major problems compared to lbt's17:21
lbtyeah... it was proof of concept17:22
lbtand made assumptions (as you do)17:22
lbtso it bulked up a fair bit...17:22
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lbtthen even more to handle bounce17:22
lbtand that's still a pig-ugly hack17:22
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minra-pretzel stick makes a good stylis17:51
Aveand you can eat it too17:52
Mouser__hello17:52
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minra-can someone tell me where to turn off word-prediction popup?  or search terms||?17:56
Mouser__It's in the control panel under Text Input Settings, minra-17:57
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Mouser__minra-, specifically, under the languages tab and then under Settings...17:59
minra-hmm17:59
Mouser__minra-, do you see it?18:00
minra-no18:00
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minra-ooohh18:00
minra-somehow my eye didnt pick that up as a button18:00
Mouser__minra- , glad you found it. :)18:01
minra-thank you!18:01
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Mouser__You're welcome!18:01
fiferboylbt: I found out why your latest changes don't work for me18:01
lbtgood...18:01
fiferboyIt is calling setFingerScrollable in an infinite loop in the DynamicPropertyChange event18:02
lbthmm.. that'll slow it down18:02
fiferboyYes, it has a hard time getting past that.18:03
fiferboyIt takes so long to count to infinity on an N810, it's really a hardware problem18:03
lbtquantum tablet...18:03
fiferboyIs that fixed in the next hardware revision?18:04
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lbtshh.... but yes... and there's a flux capacitor too.18:04
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lbtsee what happens!18:04
lbttheir grandparents just died!18:04
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* lbt returns from his trip into history18:05
fiferboyNow I have to find out why it keeps calling it.  I think that the setting the property is calling the dynamic property change to set the property18:05
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lcukrx-52: added flux capacitor18:05
lcukrx-51: removed it again18:05
Mouser__I'm having some problems with the built-in Media Player.  It is constantly refreshing the library, making it impossible to play local files unless it is invoked externally.   I have tried to reconfigure mediaplayer-110-ptbr, but I can't find the package if I were to reinstall.  Is there a way to reconfigure this without reflashing?18:06
lbtlcuk: I just got up of the floor ;)18:06
lcukMouser__, is there anything unusual in your file system which might trip it up (like links from places)18:06
lcuklbt, causality is a bitch ;)18:07
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Mouser__lcuk, That's possible, but not that I'm aware of.  I am running the OS cloned to SD, but it was working before.18:09
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lcuki dunno mouser, sorry18:10
Mouser__lcuk, is there a way to search for broken or irregular links on the device?18:11
lcukthere probably is, but my knowledge is limited18:12
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Mouser__I know they are available online, but it would be nice if the manpages were ported.  If it's not already done, I would like to give it a try if it's not too hard (my knowledge with the console is limited)18:16
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fiferboylbt: Hmm, it's not the setFingerScrollable that is triggering all the dynamic property changes...18:20
lbtnot looked yet18:21
fiferboyI'll work it out, it just might take a little while18:21
fiferboyJust talking the problem through18:21
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lbtah18:21
lbtmy laptop woke up18:22
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lcuklbt, \o in cph, you opened a console with some funny vulcan pinch, which key combo was it?18:22
lbtctrl-shift-n18:23
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lardmanre18:23
lcukthx18:23
lcukhey lardman \o18:23
lardmanhi lcuk18:23
* lcuk loves how shiny and slick liqbase runs on new hardware18:23
lcuklardman, ive started to describe it as literally runnin on baconfat :D18:24
lardman:) very cool18:24
lardmanwhen was the European release date? October?18:24
lopzhola18:25
fiferboylcuk: You should have used the old grade 10 programming trick of using processor loops to limit framerate so it would run 10x too fast on new hardware...18:25
lcukit doesnt run 10x too fast18:26
lcukits super duper smooth at the framerate practical for the device18:26
fiferboyI know, but it would if you put in processor loops18:27
lcukand framerate drops to 0 when nothing is in motion or changing :)18:27
* Pavlov kinda wants to see how liqbase would work as a web app18:28
lcuka web app? i gather the framerate would drop18:28
fiferboyShouldn't you put in a bunch of extra overhead so that it barely runs on the current device to make everyone but the new device?18:28
Pavlovdunno18:28
lcuktheres a new fennec extension which won for drawing and sending to twitpics18:28
Pavlovyeah it is cool18:28
lcukfiferboy, not at all - i want the best experience possible on the current device - the code i use scales - the new device will simply allow more visible usable interactive tiles18:29
lcukthe 810 is better with fewer18:29
fiferboylbt: Fixed the problem18:29
lcukwhen i get it on my big wall mounted touch panel and a fast processor i can have even more18:30
lbt:)18:30
lcukfiferboy, and on that score - new libliqbase code *is* slower than the old original liqbase, that was purely superiorly optimized specifically for the device18:30
lcukand specifically for what it does18:30
lcukbut it was not reusable really18:31
fiferboylcuk: Sounds great!18:31
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fiferboylbt: It was the qabstractscrollarea->setProperty("FingerScrollable", true); call in qabstractscrollarea->setProperty("FingerScrollable", true);18:32
timeless_mbpanyone here familiar w/ sb2? :)18:32
fiferboyFingerscrolling is working without it, so I assume I didn't break anything.18:32
lbtline?18:32
timeless_mbpPavlov: personally, i want to see someone make a licqbase output method for Gecko18:33
VDVsxlcuk, btw, who was the winner of the dev contest in the mozmae event ?18:33
timeless_mbpso that we could get reasonable performance on n800s :)18:33
fiferboylbt, oops I meant in QAbstractAreaPrivateScroller18:33
timeless_mbpVDVsx: the twitter sketcher thing and the qt shopper18:33
fiferboyline 1442 in my code, but it is slightly different from yours (with the different legal header, etc)18:33
PavlovVDVsx: one of the ffennec addon devs for https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fennec/addon/12191 and lbt for his qt finger panning stuff18:34
VDVsxtimeless, Pavlov , thanks, didn't know that FF/fennec extension are so powerful/resourceful :P18:35
lbtfiferboy: hmm18:35
fiferboylbt: I don't know why that line is causing problems, and I'm not even sure it should be working without it, but it fixed the problem I was having.18:36
wazd__lcuk: are you talking bout beagleboard or *something else*?)18:36
PavlovVDVsx: yeah it was pretty sweet18:36
PavlovVDVsx: the same guy built https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fennec/addon/12118 the week before18:36
Pavlovhe's on a pretty good roll i'd say18:36
lbtfiferboy: it'll work... but it's needed to be flexible18:36
lcukwazd__, we had access to hardware this weekend18:37
fiferboylbt: I think it might not be the root cause of the problem, I have just taken out the call to the property change, but if the application code changes the property it will probably freeze too18:37
lcukdidnt you see or read anything?18:37
lbtwazd http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=2927018:38
wazd__lcuk: oh, I thought you've taken home one :)18:38
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lcuknop wazd__ keesj and jeremiah_ and i (me less so) sweated and strained to get a couple of packages built18:41
lcukthen went through a whole convoluted path to get it on device18:41
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rm_youwhatever happened to telepathy-haze?18:50
rm_youneed AIM support >_>18:50
rm_youah found it on garage (rtcomm)... anyone know if it will still brick my tablet? :P18:53
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Myrttihas anyone actually managed to get telepathy-haze to work? I've not managed to get it work, ever18:55
rm_youlol it used to, and then one release it bricked everyone's tablets...18:55
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qwerty12rm_you: try it and let us know if it still does it :p18:56
rm_youlol k18:56
rm_youi will be sad >_>18:56
Stskeepsyou peeps better be sitting in the couch in SIH and talking to people too ;)18:57
jaskasih?18:57
qwerty12rm_you: Lol, if you want, I'll install rtcomm and see if it bricks mine; I've got a backup of my flash18:57
GAN800rm_you, install the beta, then add the Collabora repo from gronmayer to finish it.18:57
Stskeepssleep in heaven, the hostel they're at :P18:57
GAN800It's a mess, but it works fine once installed.18:57
jaskawas just wondering, my laptops are always named sih18:57
rm_youi'm just doing it :P18:57
rm_youStskeeps: i'm on the couch :P18:57
fiferboylbt: Does this make any sense; when a new QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller is created it sets the FingerScrollable property to "true" which creates a new QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller18:57
rm_youjohnx is ASLEEP on the couch... lol18:58
rm_youI want to be asleep <_< very tired18:58
fiferboyThat's where the loop is coming from.18:58
lbtlemme see (sounds v. plausible)18:59
lbtshouldn't....19:00
lbtif (! fingerScroller)19:00
lbtfingerScroller = new QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller(viewport, q, this);19:00
lbtonly creates one if there isn't one19:00
lbtalthough....19:01
fiferboyInitialization, maybe?19:02
lbtyeah.. it creates it and loops before the member is set19:02
timeless_mbpright, so anyone here familiar w/ sb2? :)19:04
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lbttimeless_mbp: suihkulokki may be when he's about19:05
timeless_mbphe's s bit idle :(19:05
timeless_mbpsuihkulokki: all i want to be able to do is use apt-get update :)19:05
Stskeepssb2 -e apt-get update? :P19:05
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timeless_mbpit says read only filesytem19:10
timeless_mbp(typos mine)19:10
Stskeepsah, -R19:10
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* GAN800 wonders how Maemo Devices is doing.19:16
Stskeepsparty? ;)19:17
GAN800Maybe they're fighting over territory with paper shuriken and cardboard tube swords.19:22
fiferboylbt: Would adding a boolean variable to check against instead of the object itself solve this?19:22
lbtno... the constructor can't use signals..19:23
lbtwell it can19:23
lbtbut it won't work19:23
lbtnah, they tried the prototype hardware compiler and it blew up... <eek>19:24
lbt^^ @ GAN80019:24
fiferboylbt: Is the solution then to set the FingerScrollable property somewhere outside of the constructor?19:25
Stskeepsi still believe that was a countdown19:25
Stskeepstoo much activity => blow up19:25
Stskeepswhich is what the accelerometers are for19:25
Stskeeps:P19:25
lbtfiferboy: mmm dunno.... busy on something else ATM ... nag me though19:25
fiferboylbt: Okay.  I'll try to figure it out and fall back on pestering you if that fails.19:26
lbtsure19:26
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Stskeepsseriously, why are people working on the maemo matchbox-window-manager (v1)19:36
lcukcos you are watching19:37
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methodsare there any generalized voip programs that let me connect to a sip provider that work nicely ?19:39
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wazd_n800damn, so hot in Moscow...19:50
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wjs_ltopping lcuk19:56
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ciroipoh, moskow and hot in same sentece is an oxymoron20:00
lcukciroip, its a really nice summer blast over northern europe as a whole20:00
lcukwjs_ltop, pong20:00
ShadowJKthe mer helsinki weather screenshot is probably accurate now20:00
fiferboywazd_n800: My wife and I were watching the news and she said "How is it hotter in Moscow than it is here?!"20:01
wjs_ltoplcuk: You mentioned keesj might have newer liqbase packages, but I haven't been able to locate...20:01
lcukheh20:01
lcukgoogle libliqbase20:01
qwerty12fiferboy: You're in Canada, get used to it :P20:01
lcukits got the stuff we did at weekend20:01
fiferboyqwerty12: Southern Canada!20:01
qwerty12There's a difference? :P20:02
Myrttipolar bears, moose and lumberjacks20:02
lcukqwerty12, its similar to north/south england divide ;)20:02
lcukand fifer is on the crap side ;P20:02
qwerty12lcuk: Oh, yes, I can see fiferboy is located in the better part then20:02
fiferboylcuk: Hey!  South is where it is at, Canada or England!20:03
qwerty12fiferboy: I've been telling him that for so long :(20:03
fiferboyThey just don't listen in the North20:03
GAN800Hot. Psh.20:03
lcukhehehehehe20:04
wjs_ltoplcuk, are the debs in git?  or do I have to compile?20:04
lcukyou would have to compile for now20:04
GAN800Get back to me when it's 95F in the shade and 140% hummidity. :p20:04
lcukim sorting out a few isms in it and specifics20:04
lcukbut the packages exist and can be worked on20:04
wjs_ltoplcuk: ok, just checking..20:04
lcukinfact the vworld app itself is gonna be shaped properly now20:04
|Rhehe, south canada... like 99% of the population :P20:04
lcukyeah wjs_ltop :) ive gone from having no way at all to package it, now its feasible to run on multi oses20:05
lcuk:)20:05
lcukafter ive done what im doing this afternoon i will be applying for a new garage account for the library itself20:05
wazd_n800ciroip: well, we don't have winter 365 days a year)20:07
lcukapart from now20:07
lcukare you melting wazd?20:07
wazd_n800yeah(20:08
lcukheh me too20:08
lcuki need aircon20:08
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wazd_n800according to omweather we have fricking 32ºC20:09
wazd_n800heading to my country underground bunker))20:10
lcukyeah it gets a bit stuck sometimes, give it a shake and it will finish going up20:10
lcukhehehehe :D what a wicked app for device20:11
lcuka barometer you have to tap like a real one20:11
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wazd_n800btw, was there an accelerometer support in those device prefabs at the weekend?20:14
wazd_n800or screen rotation20:14
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lcukdidnt see either but that doesnt mean it wasnt there - we had the sme apps as on the sdk basically20:15
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lcukjust running on real omap3 hardware20:15
* lcuk drools when saying that20:15
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* wazd_n800 drools when thinking of «final beta» SDK20:17
cmughttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Platform#Maemo_SDK has broken links :(20:17
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lcukfix em then20:17
cmug:)20:17
Myrtti{{sofixit}}20:18
lcukhttp://maemo.org/development/sdks/20:18
lcukis the starting point for maemo based sdk documentation20:18
lcukyou should be able to find whatever you need from there20:18
cmugyes. I was just browsing around generally and noticed a dead link20:18
cmugtrying to find the correct target..20:19
lcukyou sure it wasn't just sleeping?20:19
cmughttp://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_technology_overview_content/ is what I think is correct20:19
cmughttp://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/html/maemo_Technology_Overview/index.html is the link in Wikipedia that is broken20:19
wazd_n800and what about screen type, was it reflective/transflective/OLED/AMOLED/Monochrome?20:20
lcukdidnt have enough lighting variation to tell20:21
lcukit was color of course20:21
* ciroip want a monochrome device20:21
Stskeepsgreyscale!20:21
lcuk3x resolution for greyscale20:21
* lcuk would love that20:21
lcukREALLY love it20:21
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lcuk2400*480 or 800*1440 depending on orientation of pels20:22
ciroipwe are freaks: I wonder how Nokia still listen the maemo community20:22
lcukciroip, which part are you noticing now20:22
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ciroipjust a generic realization20:23
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fiferboylbt: Got it working.20:25
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GAN800wazd_n800, transflective.20:27
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wazd_n800lbt: btw, have you done any of my suggestions for Shopper?)20:27
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wazd_n800GAN800, nice20:28
lcukyes wazd_n800 he has made vodka a default item on a new shopping list :p it should save you some time lol20:28
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lcukcheese, bacon, vodka20:29
lcukthat should keep us going for a while20:29
GAN800wazd_n800, from what I hear, it's way clearer than the N810's.20:29
wazd_n800lcuk: vodka. eeeww >.<20:29
wazd_n800lcuk: bring out Tequilla!)20:30
lcuklol ok20:30
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ShadowJKI want a holographic screen20:30
lbtwazd yes... hit some bugs in Qt and then got sidetracked onto Mer though20:31
lbtso no functional changes yet20:31
ShadowJKNot to make things jump out of the device, but to make a "flat" screen apper deep inside the device.. Imagine if could put it 5cm infront of your eyes but focus eyes like it was a 50" screen a few metres away20:31
wazd_n800ShadowJK, that's easy:)20:32
ShadowJKoh?20:32
wazd_n800ShadowJK, use accelerometer and camera to track device position and move it around imaginary huge screen :)20:33
Stskeepsyeah, AR would be nice :20:33
StskeepsP20:33
ShadowJKwazd_n800, oh but I'd want all of the screen visible at the same time :)20:34
wazd_n800ShadowJK, and zoom in/out with some optical distortion effect)20:34
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wazd_n800ShadowJK, $250 and you'll have video glasses then)20:35
ShadowJKI wonder if nokia is spending any money on some crazy lunatic in a nokia building's basement somewhere experimenting with holographics20:35
ShadowJKyeah but all the video glasses are lowres :/20:36
fiferboylbt: I'm going to see if I can find out why horizontal bounce isn't working, then look at the overshoot function20:36
Stskeepsi'm almost willing to say they probably do20:36
Stskeepsmaemo sw seems quite vibrant at least20:36
wazd_n800ShadowJK, i don't think that nokia develops screens or other low-level hardware20:36
wazd_n800jesus christ20:38
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wazd_n800http://research.nokia.com/research/mobile3D20:39
Stskeepsais this new?20:39
Pavlovis that a n800?20:39
RST38hwell n800 with stuff flying out of the screen is new20:40
cmugI hear they use them in Nokia offices all day long20:40
Pavlovhow do i take advantage of the flying-out-of-the-screen tech in my app?20:40
luke-jrö20:40
ShadowJK"modified N800"20:40
wazd_n800It's an n800 with stereoscopic screen)20:40
RST38hohmygod20:40
lcukwhoa! that device has powervr working!20:41
ShadowJKlcuk, naah...20:41
ShadowJKI don't think powervr is useful for this :)20:41
wazd_n800lcuk: that's everything you've noticed?))20:41
Pavlovtoo bad about the h.264 part20:41
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lcuktheres more?20:42
lcukShadowJK, you need some extra horse power to run anything realtime lol20:42
RST38hit is just a way to compress stereoscopic video in some special efficient way20:44
ShadowJKWell they didn't specify resolution :)20:44
ShadowJKRST38h, yep :-)20:44
RST38hno actual 3d involved although looks cool20:44
lcukso no 3d apps20:45
ShadowJKIt could be two 176 x 144 videos :)20:45
ShadowJKor two 176x144 video streams... the thing is to find ways to take advantage of the similarities between the two streams, and encode them efficiently20:46
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ShadowJKlcuk, well if you had these modifications they did, you might be able to do 3D in liqbase ;-)20:46
ShadowJKprobably needs 3D shutter glasses or something..20:47
lcuki will do 3d in liqbase once i get net syncing working20:47
lcukhaving almost identical stuff on 2 different devices ;)20:48
fiferboylbt: Fixed horizontal bounce :)20:48
* lcuk can see the tunneling effect of liq* screens working really well20:48
lcukand since its multiple layers deep (as far as the designer specifies..)20:49
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fiferboybrb, coffee20:52
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lbtfiferboy: did it have horiz/vert swapped?20:53
lbtbbiab ..food20:54
fiferboylbt: Yes, vsh references in horizontal code20:54
fiferboy/s/vsh/vsb20:55
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sb2victimhello world21:13
sb2victim$ sb2-show21:14
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sb2victimsb2-show: error while loading shared libraries: libsb2.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory21:14
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sb2victimis that supposed to happen? :)21:14
sb2victimoh awesome21:14
cmugDid the Sports Tracker for Maemo ever see the light of day?21:14
sb2victim'sb2-show' must be executed inside sb2 sandbox (see the 'sb2'command)21:14
sb2victimcmug: beyond being presented at MozMae?21:15
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cmugsb2victim, http://search.maemo.org/search?q=sports&btnG=Search&site=maemo-org&client=maemo-org&proxystylesheet=maemo-org&output=xml_no_dtd has an archived news "First preview of Sports Tracker for Maemo available!" but that leads nowhere and is the only clue on the subject that I can find21:16
cmugI can dig up about MozMae21:16
cmugwas that the event this weekend in Cph?21:16
Stskeepsyup21:17
cmugIt was demoed there?21:17
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Stskeepswasnt it ecoach?21:17
sb2victimisn't that the same thing?21:17
sb2victimif it quacks like a duck21:17
cmugwell Sports Tracker also has a community on the website21:18
sb2victimhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test21:18
cmugecoach doesn't appear to be compatible21:18
sb2victimthe picture btw is quite nice21:18
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sb2victimsp3000: whatever this window manager is, it sucks. i want my OQO r2, it has a tinier screen and an eraser pointer, but at least i can move windows around, whereas this large screen and real mouse+keyboard manage to make such basic operations incredibly difficult21:22
sp3000really?21:22
sb2victimyep21:22
Stskeepswhat device is that?21:22
sb2victimthis? it's a full dell workstation w/ widescreen lcd, ibm keyboard, dell usb wheel mouse, and ubuntu 9.0421:23
Stskeepsah21:23
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StOrM_NWanyway to kill the Connection Manager?21:25
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qwerty12_N800/etc/init.d/icd2 stop - if I understand your question properly21:26
sb2victimsb2-init: Host architecture is 'i[3456]86'21:27
* sb2victim applauds sb221:27
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jaemhey folks21:29
jaemshould Midori bugs (on Maemo) go to the Midori bugtracker, or the maemo.org bugtracker?21:29
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sb2victimjaem: if you know they're upstream, send them upstream21:30
sb2victimif you want to show that we're talking to upstream21:30
sb2victimfile them in maemo and andre or someone (e.g. you) can refile them upstream21:30
* sb2victim returns to cursing sb221:30
jaemsb2victim: it seems to be upstream to me, but I wasn't entirely sure what the maemo maintainer had done with it21:31
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sb2victimin that case, feel free to file it in maemo21:31
jaemthe issue is that it seems to accept n-1 chars in a textbox limited to n chars21:31
qwerty12_N800jaem: not much...21:31
StOrM_NWok my problem is that using the Connection Manager, the icon  at top conner ... i can connect to an AP, but if i execute i get this21:31
jaemsb2victim: okay, sure21:31
qwerty12_N800jaem: that's a webkit bug pertaining to Bundyo's build21:31
sb2victimalthough, i don't think i've created a midori product21:31
StOrM_NWwlan0     NOT READY  ESSID:off/any  21:31
StOrM_NW          Mode:Auto  Channel:0  Access Point: Not-Associated  21:31
StOrM_NW          Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:021:31
StOrM_NW          Rx invalid nwid:0  invalid crypt:0  invalid misc:021:31
jaemqwerty12_N800: ah, okay21:32
jaemso it's already known?21:32
sb2victimi can create one now if you need it21:32
andre__jaem: there is no Midori project in bugs.maemo.org. Hence preferably upstream :)21:32
jaemandre__: okay21:32
sb2victimandre__: awww, just because you don't want more work :)21:32
qwerty12_N800sb2victim: don't bother - i'm the (unofficial) maintainer and newer versions are not possible to build21:32
qwerty12_N800jaem: yep21:32
sb2victimqwerty12_N800: ok21:32
jaemit caused me some grief when I was trying to pay bills/other stuff21:32
jaem:P21:32
andre__sb2victim, if the maintainer wants it, i can add it, sure21:33
jaemfor some reason, they make me enter the *whole* credit card number, when they're going to star out half of it anyways...21:33
jaemjust kidding21:33
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StOrM_NWi m using the cx3110x driver21:34
jaemqwerty12_N800: is that one of the issues that the Mer team is waiting on a new build of libwebkit for? (as mentioned in the sprints)21:34
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Stskeepsah, no, we got the new libwebkit (bundyo's)21:35
StOrM_NWanything that can explain why i cant set wifi parameters using any tool like iwconfig for example?21:35
StskeepsStOrM_NW: wireless extensions weren't up to date when the driver was made, probably21:35
jaemthanks for the info - I'm off to do useful stuff21:36
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StOrM_NWso any recommendation? flash the device with newest version of maemo? reinstall any tool or other tips that i can get?21:37
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luke-jrStOrM_NW: upgrade to a maintained driver21:40
luke-jrlike stlc45xx or, if you like bleeding edge, p54spi21:40
johnxStOrM_NW: there's a version of the wifi driver with the WEXT stuff patched in21:43
StOrM_NWany of these maintained driver is stable to use to ad hoc networks? where can i find this version johnx?21:45
minra-is there an alternate, lightwright media player?  diablo MP wont let me skip forward/back accurately21:47
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johnxminra-: check out mplayer21:47
minra-need to search in a 2hr mp321:47
luke-jrStOrM_NW: I've never seen anyone use ad-hoc21:47
minra-mplayer stopped outputting sound here :(21:47
johnxStOrM_NW: let's see if I can find a binary package you can unpack and use21:48
StOrM_NWk21:48
lcukjohnx, why are you not out enjoying copenhagen21:48
lcukits a travesty21:48
johnxlcuk: cause I did all freaking day21:49
johnxand now I'm beat :P21:49
lcukthen do it all freaking night!21:49
johnxI will in a moment actually21:49
johnx:D21:49
luke-jr21:49
johnxadam is taking a nap21:49
lcuklol aww poor thing21:49
johnxonce he gets up we're gonna head out and find dinner and ... who knows :)21:49
lcukhows the digs?21:49
johnxheh, little crowded21:49
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lcukare you taking everything with you or have you got a locker21:50
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johnxwe've got a locker21:51
s33k3rgri have a problem with my n81021:51
s33k3rgri cant install stardict21:51
johnxlcuk, wouldn't be able to do much without one21:52
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s33k3rgrApplication packages missing: libhildondesktop0(=1:2.0.18-1)21:52
s33k3rgrlibhildonfm2(=1:2.0.5)21:52
s33k3rgrlibhildonwm0(1:2.0.18-1) "21:52
s33k3rgrit gives me that message21:52
s33k3rgrcan anyone help21:52
s33k3rgr?\21:52
qwerty12_N800~flashing21:53
infobotsomebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware21:53
lcuks33k3rgr, i guess you have to find a source for libhildondesktop0!21:53
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qwerty12_N800time to update.21:53
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s33k3rgrhow can i do that?21:53
qwerty12_N800~flashing21:54
infobotflashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware21:54
johnxStOrM_NW: still tracking it down ...21:54
s33k3rgrill try21:54
* RST38h moos gleefully21:54
lcukbackup first21:54
lcuklol RST38h enjoying the sun or new batch of vodka?21:54
s33k3rgrmy version is 4.2008.30-221:54
qwerty12_N800moo RST38h21:54
johnxs33k3rgr: that's not the latest version21:55
johnxyou should be able to update with the application manager to a later version, but if that doesn't work you'll just want t flash21:56
RST38hlcuk: enjoying the evening breeze rather21:56
s33k3rgrand that has to do with the installation of the stardict?21:56
lcukRST38h :)21:56
RST38hqwerty: frozen bubble was cool =)21:56
lcukjohnx, go to christiana and enjoy the atmosphere and see if they will take you in for a couple of days21:56
lcukoffer code for a home21:56
johnxs33k3rgr: well run this in X Terminal:21:56
johnxapt-cache policy libhildondesktop021:56
johnxsee what version you get21:57
RST38hqwerty: there is S60 version done in pure C/C++ too, it should be way smaller but more difficult to port21:57
s33k3rgrok21:57
s33k3rgrwait21:57
qwerty12_N800RST38h: you actually installed it? perl deps are huge :)21:57
RST38hqwerty: no :) but I like playing it on the phone or pc21:57
qwerty12_N800RST38h: heh :)21:57
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johnxs33k3rgr: where are you trying to install stardict from?22:01
s33k3rgrfrom application manager offcourse22:02
s33k3rgris there any other way??22:02
johnxsome people download random files from the internet intended for different versions of Maemo/OS200822:04
s33k3rgrwhere can i find those three?22:04
johnxthose are three core libraries22:04
johnxyou probably have them installed but have different versions22:04
s33k3rgrcan i check with the same command you gave me above?22:05
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johnxyup22:05
johnxyou know how to read the results, right?22:05
s33k3rgri ll tell you22:06
johnxStOrM_NW: Mer recently reorganized their repository a little bit22:06
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johnxI didn't forget you, but I'm still looking :)22:06
StOrM_NWlol22:06
StOrM_NWok22:06
StOrM_NWbut this version that ya are looking for is the one that is the cx3110x modified?22:07
s33k3rgrok for libhildondesktop0 it is installed as i can see here22:07
johnxStOrM_NW, exactly22:07
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johnxs33k3rgr: it needs exactly the right version22:07
StOrM_NWbecause i guess its the one that is installed atm22:07
s33k3rgrit is the right22:07
StOrM_NWthat i m having some troubles22:07
johnxStOrM_NW: ah, no ideas then22:08
johnxanyways, got to head off for now22:08
Stskeepshave fun!22:08
StOrM_NWthanks anyway22:08
johnxneed to eat before it gets too late :)22:08
johnx'night all22:08
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StOrM_NWnight22:08
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s33k3rgrit seems that all three files are insalled22:12
s33k3rgrinstalled22:13
s33k3rgrwith the right versions22:13
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hubwhat version of Xephyr do you guys use?22:14
s33k3rgranyone any ideas?22:14
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s33k3rgrshould i make an update?22:17
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s33k3rgr??22:19
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s33k3rgrguys?22:22
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fiferboylbt: I've got overshoot to obey the bounds and work like you had it, and the scrollbar squishes when you are in the overshoot area (assuming it is not already at the minimum)22:30
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lbtfiferboy: very nice...22:36
lbtdid you change the paint event handler?22:37
lbtor just go out of bounds still?22:37
fiferboylbt: It is actually very similar to your solution, only it changes the minimum/maximum value as well so the value is always in bounds.22:38
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lbtah...22:38
fiferboyThis provides the squish to the scrollbars22:38
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lbthmm22:38
fiferboyBut it still has the disadvantage of a somewhat undefined behaviour when minimum is less than 022:39
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fiferboyI was looking at how h-p-a does it, by inserting an overshoot rectangle22:40
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jamiebennettAny garage admins around that want to approve an upload request to Maemo Extra's?22:43
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VDVsxjamiebennett, -> X-Fade22:46
jamiebennettVDVsx: I know X-Fade I meant around as in available ;)22:47
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s33k3rgrcan anyone help me installing stardict ??23:08
s33k3rgri just updated my n810 to the latest diablo version23:08
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BobbeMan, ircing on an E71 sucks23:09
BobbeAnyways, just a question23:09
BobbeAre there videos of fremantle running? If so, where?23:09
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Stskeepsonly the sdk stuff i think23:10
BobbeAh those vm videos running?23:11
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BobbeOk then. somebody mentioned it in the forum and I thought it was something more revealing23:14
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VDVsxBobbe, http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=maemo+5&aq=f23:22
VDVsxthe first 3 show the sdk running23:22
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fiferboylbt: I'll look at changing the painter at some point in the next day23:28
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hubhow long does it take to be approved to upload to extras?23:38
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hubthe website seems to say "a few hours"...23:39
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zakkmhub: its done manually, so its up to them i believe23:40
hubyeah but then the "a few hours" is misleading :-)23:40
zakkmmost time stuff is :P23:40
hub"so don't be alarmed if it takes a few hours before you get an anwser."23:40
huband I wonder if that's the reason why I have no option to upload my ssh key23:41
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zakkmif you add to extras, it will put in extras repository23:41
zakkmyou couldnt add your own server to that through ssh23:41
hubI don't understand. I was talking about http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras#Setting_up_SSH_to_upload_to_extras23:43
lcukThis step is unnecessary if you are only going to use the web-based Extras Assistant wizard to upload.23:43
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hublcuk: but necessary if you don't want23:44
lcukyeah but can be done at a later date23:44
lcuki think the interface is only open once you have been accepted23:44
qwerty12_N800^23:44
hubok23:44
hubit is just unclear23:44
jamiebennetthaving a torrid time with extra's at the moment :(23:45
hubas any other "forge" based system allow uploading ssh keys from start23:45
huband then give permission when needed23:45
lcuksome key people went to copenhagen this weekend, there might be a bit of a backlog23:45
hubah right23:46
lcukmozilla / maemo hackfest (H)23:46
jamiebennettanyone packaged or packaging debhelper > 7.0?23:46
lcukjamiebennett, i see you are doing entertainer for device23:47
lcukhave you actually run it on it yet?23:47
jamiebennettlcuk: Just trying to satisfy the dependancies and upload them. Hit a brick wall at the moment23:47
hubis there any way to test the "hildon input method" with free software?23:47
andre__....copenhagen, plus today is holiday in some countries23:47
hubor am I up to a huge disappointement....23:47
jamiebennettlcuk: need a few packages that aren't in extra's and getting some weird build errors23:48
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, ping23:49
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lcukjamiebennett, that doesnt answer my question lol23:51
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jamiebennettlcuk: I need to satisfy the dependencies before I can install it in scratchbox :P (and get a developer device before it see's proper hardware)23:52
zakkmjamiebennett: care to show the build log that failed, i might be able to have some insight why it might have23:53
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lcukjamiebennett, ahhh yeah it wont even try to run on this device23:53
qwerty12_N800jamiebennett: newer debhelper was uploaded one but it broke every build sent :p23:53
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qwerty12_N800*once23:53
jamiebennett[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/debhelper] > vi dh_auto_23:54
jamiebennettdh_auto_build      dh_auto_clean      dh_auto_install23:54
jamiebennettdh_auto_build~     dh_auto_configure  dh_auto_test23:54
jamiebennett[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/debhelper] > vi dh_auto_clean23:54
jamiebennett[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/debhelper] > vi dh_auto_23:54
jamiebennettdh_auto_build      dh_auto_clean      dh_auto_configure  dh_auto_test23:54
jamiebennettdh_auto_build~     dh_auto_clean~     dh_auto_install23:54
jamiebennett[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/debhelper] > vi dh_auto_configure23:54
jamiebennett[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/debhelper] > vi dh_auto_install23:54
zakkm...23:54
jamiebennett[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/debhelper] > dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S -i23:54
lcuk....23:54
jamiebennettdpkg-buildpackage: source package is debhelper23:54
lcukSTOP23:54
jamiebennettdpkg-buildpackage: source version is 7.2.1423:54
jamiebennettdpkg-buildpackage: source changed by Joey Hess <joeyh@debian.org>23:54
jamiebennettdpkg-buildpackage: source version without epoch 7.2.1423:54
qwerty12_N800~pastebin23:54
jamiebennett fakeroot debian/rules clean23:54
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste23:54
qwerty12_N800~pastebin23:54
qwerty12_N800~pastebin23:54
VDVsxpastebin :P23:54
jamiebennett./run dh clean23:54
jamiebennettUnknown option: w23:54
qwerty12_N800~pastebin23:54
jamiebennettdh: unknown option; aborting23:54
zakkmjamie, quit channel23:54
jamiebennettmake: *** [clean] Error 123:54
qwerty12_N800~pastebin23:54
jamiebennettignore the vi bit :)23:54
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste23:54
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lcukhehehe23:54
jamiebennett:P23:54
lcukhes gonna get the boot23:54
zakkmomg okay23:54
hubffs23:54
zakkmnot what i meant23:54
jamiebennetthey whats a few lines between friends ;)23:55
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lcukexplain that to the other 275 people over there lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>23:55
lcuk27423:55
jamiebennettlcuk: its educational ;)23:55
lcukyeah they now have you on autoignore for 15 minutes :d23:56
zakkmheh23:56
jamiebennettOK OK for the pastebin crowd - http://pastebin.com/m549f0eb123:56
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jamiebennettqwery12_N800 so it looks like debhelper is being packaged by someone else at the moment?23:58
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qwerty12_N800Nope :)23:58
jamiebennettqwerty12_N800: mmm, damn I need it  (why me ;))23:59

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