IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2009-05-16

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oliis there any n800 stuff for reading qrcodes?00:31
* RST38h fixed the volume problem00:41
RST38h[at the cost of severe mental degradation]00:42
derfoli: Yes.00:43
derfBut right now that "stuff" is just a test program from maemo-barcode.00:43
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lcukgsoc project for it i think00:43
derfReally? Awesome.00:44
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fireunmmm, mental degradation00:44
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lardman|tvoli: derf's qrcode stuff in maemo-barcode00:52
lardman|tvah, too late00:52
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timeless_mbpcrashanddie: all went well01:49
timeless_mbpthanks for helping make arrangements01:49
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GeneralAntillesDid I miss anything fun or exciting today?02:27
lcuka 3 hour discussion on roundabouts02:27
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crashanddietimeless, ping me when you're around02:42
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Marquesit's hard port a app to the maemo?03:52
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Marquesit is hard to port a program to the maemo?03:54
`0660i think setting up the sdk is the biggest hurdle :)03:55
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Marquesbut how i setup the, i need a linux on the desktop03:56
Marqueshow i setup the sdk?Needs a Linux Distro on the desktop?03:57
Marquesa LiveCD works03:57
Marques?03:57
`0660you could use vmware image03:57
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Marquesyes but the port needs know the programming language right, like the python, C#, and the others?(sorry my bad english, i am brazillian)04:00
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ShadowJKyes04:01
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Marquesoh... so i don't go port any program, i don't know any programing language...04:03
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Marquesit is much difficulty learn a programing language?04:06
lcukthe language is the easy part, it helps if you explain what the app is currently written in and for what language04:07
lcuksome ports from existing linux apps are easy04:07
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lcukfor other languages and operating systems you are in for much more work and its not trivial04:07
Marquesand users of maemo, the KDE port is a window manager only or it change the maemo to other OS?(I am noob on the linux)04:09
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lcukthat doesnt make much sense,   what is the app you are trying to port, what os does it currently work on and what language does it use, and if possible which widget toolkit is it using..04:13
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Marquesno i don't want port any program, i am only curious, and like know if KDE is only a windows manager and runs the programs of maemo or KDE is OS and the programs of Maemo don't work on the KDE04:17
lcukmaemo uses a different window manager, but the core gtk code works with extra specific maemoisms04:22
lcukso a gtk program that can work in kde or gnome can be adjusted to work in maemo04:22
lcukand vice versa04:23
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Marquesbut it is automatic or easy?Because i see that the KDE have the OpenOffice, konqueror, GIMP04:24
Marquesand the ubuntu anybody have tested?04:24
pupnikyes04:25
pupnikask only yes/no questions Marques04:26
pupnikmakes things easier for me04:26
lcukMarques, a large complex program does not run well in a constrained screen :)04:26
lcukgnite tho04:26
lcuknite pupnik04:26
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Marquesbut the maemo have a openoffice alternative?04:27
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GeneralAntillesAbiword04:45
Guest77195.nick jumentous04:45
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jumentoucan someone tell me the basics of what parts of maemo are open source and what is closed? essentially can i use maemo on top of an omap based device as i dont need any communication stack04:50
ShadowJKit's not like maemo has much of a communication stack either...04:52
jumentoui know that hildon obviously linux etc are all open04:52
ShadowJKYou probably want to check out Mer04:52
GAN800~mer04:52
infobotsomebody said mer was http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer04:52
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jumentouwas thinking of going with ubuntu mid and hildon, but it could be more difficult if it becomes arm based04:53
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chxAfter years of eyeing the tablets, when buy.com priced it at 199 i could not resist any more. I have my own BT GPS receiver, so that's not a problem. Is there a public transit planner for the maps application it ships with or do I need google maps (which require online connction) for that05:18
ShadowJKi woudlnt expect much from the bundled wayfinder gps app05:19
Maceranybody here have a ps3 with linux on it?05:20
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GAN800jumentou, MID is probably moving to Mer upstream anyway05:24
jumentouthats interesting, i haven't seen a lot of development recently on MID edition though i'd heard it heading more towards moblin05:26
pupnikdo those voltage muscle stimulators work05:27
pupnikmy MID could use some toning05:27
GAN800It was based on Moblin, now it's probably moving to Mer05:27
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GAN800Canonical is being stupid and shortsighted about the MID range I think.05:28
GAN800pupnik, newsflash: sweat is very conductive.05:28
jumentouthey seem to be more focused on their UNR, any idea of Mer's stability etc, i'm looking at it now but just what you know05:29
GAN800jumentou,05:29
GAN800jumentou, it's alpha stage05:29
GAN800Devel is very unstable at this point05:30
GAN800Its upstream is only at a beta release, so. . . .05:30
jumentouyea assumed so05:30
jumentouas far as i see though using MID edition really rules me out of using an OMAP chip05:31
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GAN800Meh, it's only vaguely Atom targeted. But, really, Mer is your best bet in the mobile Linux game at this point.05:33
jumentouits only vaguely atom targetted but the repositorys and prebuilt are all x86 targetted, i could possibly build it all myself but its a lot of work05:35
chxShadowJK: i see. are there other apps? paid is fine.05:41
chxalso. is it possible to get a VGA out for projectors? :)05:41
ShadowJKheh, some people have used usb-vga adapters05:41
ShadowJK(combined with f-f usb adapter and powered usb hub I'd think)05:42
ShadowJKthe bundled wayfinder is actually not free to use05:42
ShadowJKwell, only navigation costs05:42
chxLOL http://xsisusb.garage.maemo.org/seriously?05:43
chxerm , space before the last word :p05:43
chxthats quite something from a 200 bucks device.05:43
ShadowJKmaemo-mapper isnt that great withoyt internet connectivity05:44
ShadowJKI've seen navit mentioned in the forums but I don't know anything about it05:45
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chxmore questions... just tell me if i run out of questions quota. did anyone try to bolt a fingerprint reader ? i tried to google05:52
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chxwould http://www.retractablecables.com/USB-FireWire/USB_Adapters_USB_A_Male_to_Micro_A_Male_Adapter.html this work with a gender changer? it mentions otg.06:42
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ShadowJKprobably06:48
ShadowJKwith usb-control (iirc) you can also use a gender changer with the bundled cable06:49
ShadowJKI guess you'd get that one if you want to cut down on cable length :)06:49
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ShadowJKre fingerprint reader... probably not :)06:52
ShadowJKIf it works and does something useful when you plug it into a Linux desktop, it could possibly be made to do something on the tablet as well...06:52
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Macerman07:10
Macerit's awesome i was able to build a hidd for this g1 with the android source07:10
Macernow if only i was hardcore enough to make a gui front end for it07:10
Macerheh07:10
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RST38hhttp://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/05/software_proble.html07:46
RST38hEnjoy07:46
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oDudahello !08:07
oDudahello ow08:08
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Stskeepsmorning08:09
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RST38hhey asts08:10
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StskeepsMeiz_n810: i feel your pain08:18
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* RST38h has got stmp3780 working with a TV. 500MHz, here I go! =)08:30
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thuxmorning09:45
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thuxif have working n800 is it worth to buy cheap n810? (230e)09:47
ShadowJKIf you want to have two tablets immediately, I guess.09:49
thuxnot really09:50
thuxjust thought if n810 is faster or better screen09:51
ShadowJKWith OS2008 the N800 runs exactly the same speed as N81009:52
ShadowJKThe N810 does have screen that is fully readable in direct sunlight though09:52
thuxbrighter then, does it eat more battery?09:54
ShadowJKtransreflective09:54
Macerhttp://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7627904812.html09:54
Macerhm. that's interesting09:54
ShadowJKLike, you could turn off the backlight completely and you could see what's on the screen09:55
ShadowJK(in bright sunlight)09:55
ShadowJKThe colours are more washed out than if you're in the shade with backlight on, but it's like night and day compared to N800 which becomes completely unreadable in direct sunlight09:55
StsN800Macer, i'd rather get a smartq709:56
MacerStsN800: yeah i was looking at that also09:57
thuxShadowJK: thanks for info09:57
ShadowJKI guess if sun-readable screen and a uncomfortable keyboard is worth it for you then..09:58
MacerStsN800: also seems like a lot of the world is going the atom route09:58
ShadowJKbut I'd probably wait for the next device, unless you expect it to be too costly for you09:58
Macergigabyte M528 seems strangly like an n81009:58
StsN800Macer, with crap battery times09:59
* StsN800 is personally sold on arm09:59
Maceratom is that bad on the battery09:59
Macerit's x86 isn't it?09:59
ShadowJKAtom is better on battery than other x86 chips... But compared to ARM it's still crud10:00
Macerheh10:01
Macerwell. i'm just saying. there is a possibility that xp could run on the devices :)10:02
StsN800i'm not confident  xp would be very power saing10:02
Macerhaha. realistically anything sucks up power depending on how it is used10:03
Maceri used to kill my n800 rather quickly because i would constantly use it10:03
Macerdamn. that gigabyte costs 65010:04
Macergigabyte M52810:04
Macerscrew that10:05
StsN800oh, and price..10:05
ShadowJKYou'd only use Atom if you're desperate for XP, otherwise ARM wins..10:05
Maceroh..comes with an hspda modem built in10:06
Macerno.. it's on a mini card10:06
Macer3.7v 3060mAh battery.. thats pretty strong10:06
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LiraNunahow useable is aircrack-ng is on n8x0?10:11
LiraNunahow open are the drivers and can they be used for packet injections?10:11
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Macerwell10:13
tank-mani believe the current open drivers are beta10:13
Macerwhen is this new n900 (or whatever) going to be released?10:13
LiraNunaI hope we'll see some images of the rx-7710:14
Maceri actually wouldn't have mind buying a wimax n810 if sprint xohm was't such a miserable failure at its infrastructure building10:14
LiraNunaMacer, don't get a wimax version, it's declared EOL10:14
Macerheh10:14
Macerwimax is dead huh?10:15
LiraNunaI bought one for the wimax and except the black (sexy) look10:15
LiraNunaI got no benefits10:15
Macerthey only have it in.. damn. i forgot the city10:15
Macerbaltimore?10:15
LiraNunabaltimor10:15
LiraNunaactually10:15
Maceri'm in chicago and they have had "in progress" on their web site for like 2 years10:15
LiraNunahttp://www.clearwire.com/ has wimax too10:15
Macerwell.. sprint has the odasity to put "with the only 4G network..." in their commercials10:16
Macerthey should be ashamed of that10:16
LiraNunaall marketing dude10:16
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Macerclearwire is almost as bad as sprint10:17
Macerheh10:17
LiraNunayep10:17
Macerwimax is turning to be a huge dud10:17
LiraNuna:10:17
LiraNuna:(*10:17
Macersuch potential10:17
Macerwhat a waste10:17
LiraNunathey say rx-77 has 3G10:17
Maceryeah. i was having a discussion earlier about how the word extreme adds 40% to the price of hardware10:18
LiraNunaor so I think it's called..10:18
* Macer points at the intel x25 ssd10:18
LiraNunaI don't care about the price - I'd buy it anyway10:18
LiraNunaeven though I bought N810WE 3 weeks ago :D10:18
LiraNunaunless it doesn't have HW keyboard...10:18
Macerlol10:18
Maceryah. i learned to love my g1's qwerty10:18
LiraNunaN810's design is so useful10:19
Macerwhich is why i stopped using my n800 and gave it to sts10:19
LiraNunaHW keyboard makes so much difference10:19
ShadowJKintel x25 is actually good :-)10:19
* LiraNuna is an iPhone hater10:19
MacerShadowJK: oh no doubt10:19
Macerit is topping out sata controllers :)10:19
Macerbut they have 2 versions10:19
ShadowJKIt blows every other SSD out of the water10:19
ShadowJKeven the MLC version does10:20
Macera mainsteam version and an extreme version :)10:20
Macerwhich do you think costs a lot more?10:20
MacerShadowJK: i'm sure it does10:20
Macerit probably goes 250MB/s for reads10:20
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ShadowJKit's like [floppydisk]--[harddrives][other SSDs][harddrives][other SSDs] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [OCZ Vertex] ------------------------------- [Intel's MLC based] ------ [ Intel's "extreme" ]10:21
Macerlol10:21
Maceri don't think ------- is worth the extra money :)10:22
amoultRobot101   ] [ z4chh          ]10:22
amoultoops10:22
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MacerShadowJK: i'm trying to find the speed differences between the m and e10:23
ShadowJKit has 10X the durability10:23
Macer10x the durability?10:24
ShadowJKslc instead of mlc, right?10:24
Macerdoes the m withstand 1000G?10:24
Maceroh10:25
Maceryeah you're right10:25
Macerthe write speeds are just as fast as the read10:25
Macerok... never mind. i was wrong. price justified :)10:25
Macer250MB/s read and write10:26
Macerwow that is retarded fast10:26
ShadowJKand mostly irrelevant :)10:26
Maceroh.. my bad...10:26
Macer170MB/s10:26
MacerShadowJK: yeah i suppose so. there really isn't much that can write to the hd faster than 100MB/s10:26
ShadowJKthat's not the point10:27
ShadowJKthose are for sequential/streaming reads or writes...10:27
Maceri think the fastest thing i have used was my gbit nic and it topped out at 105MB/s10:27
ShadowJKIn normal use very few things do streaming writes or reads... maybe if you had like a camera surveillance thing with 50 cameras that you wanted to record to a single disk...10:27
MacerShadowJK: yeah i guess that is a valid point too10:27
Macernot many people would be writing huge files to such a small drive10:28
Macer70MB/s is pretty quick on its own though10:28
ShadowJKhttp://images.anandtech.com/graphs/thessdanthology_031809001858/18643.png10:28
ShadowJKTHAT is what counts :)10:28
LiraNunaanyone's collecting info about the ex-77 in any way?10:28
LiraNunarx*10:28
Macereven if 170MB is faster :) you get 100MB/s write speeds for it10:28
StsN801rx-51 and rx-71 are the codenames seen10:29
Macerlol10:29
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Macerthat's all you get as a boost from the "extreme" edition?10:29
Macerthat's like a race stripe on a car10:29
Maceror the loud muffler that makes it sound faster than it's really going10:29
ShadowJK"Every single drive other than the Intel X25-E, X25-M and OCZ's Vertex is slower than the 2.5" Seagate Momentus 5400.6 hard drive in this test. "10:30
amoultI have a little question about os cloning, wiki page here http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card says that there could be better performance on cloned drive..10:30
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LiraNunaStskeeps, I've heard 77 from someone here, so that's what I'm saying :D10:31
amoultwould N810 internal sd be faster than where the os is by default?10:31
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ShadowJKhttp://anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3531&p=2 nice read about SSDs, anandtech really "gets it"10:31
Maceramoult: not sure what the internal flash is rated but class 6 cards are newer and may go faster10:31
ShadowJKother sites just blindly benchmark read/write speeds, which are meaningless for real life performance :)10:31
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amoultis there significant boost if thats the sole reason I would clone OS?10:32
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Maceramoult: there would be a huge increase in actual storage size for apps etc10:32
Macerand i am sure you will see some gain in speeds depending on the class of sd you use10:33
amoultwhich class card you would recommend?10:33
Macer6 is the highest so far i am sure10:33
Macerusually it will have its class on the sd in a circle like thing10:33
Macerif you buy them online they usually list their class10:34
* ShadowJK couldn't tell much of a difference between N810 immc and a Class 6 card when doing random-write benchmarks10:35
Macer It still wasn’t worth $1000, but it was worth a lot more than I originally thought.10:35
Macerhaha10:35
amoultyeah, I had some old card and it caused severe battery drain problems. Is there list somewhere which card brands/models are known to work well ? ..or is any new card a safe bet?10:36
RST38hSanDisk works.10:37
chxof course10:38
RST38hThat is really all one needs to know, given that SanDisk also tends to produce biggest cards10:38
chxjust be careful10:38
chxwhen you buy off eBay or craigslist10:38
chxyou can get .... intersting things10:38
RST38hAh, but, Micro2Mini adapters from SanDisk only works if you buy an SD one (but not SDHC)10:38
chxSanDisk also tends to be expensive.10:38
chxRST38h: wtf? micro2mini is a mechanical adapter10:38
RST38hchx: once 3-4 months pass, it all becomes crap and costs appropriately10:38
MacerShadowJK: hey10:39
RST38hchx: yea, that is the funny thing :)10:39
Macerwas the problem with the JMicron controller?10:39
RST38hchx: it should be just wires, but SDHC adapter from Sandisk does not work in N810 and SD adapter from their 1gb cards does10:39
chxMacer: in general, JMicron is a problem10:39
Maceroh never mind10:39
Macerheh10:39
Macerhe explained what was wrong10:39
ShadowJKbasically optimizing for the sequential read/write things everybody was benchmarking ;)10:40
chxMacer: ever tried to use a JMicron SATA controller under an OS where the driver does not cover the raw edges like Linux?10:40
ShadowJKIt's not entirely jmicron's "fault" wrt SSD.. Flash based storage is different from harddrives... the block sizes are gigantic in comparison10:41
chx"JMicron SATA/IDE controllers are often incompatible with some boot loaders. In particular, those using GRUB, such as Ubuntu, cannot boot in some conditions"10:41
chxThats all you need to know about JMicron10:41
chxRUN.10:41
chxFAST.10:41
Macerchx: i'm just reading this article about ssds10:42
ShadowJKSo the guy complaining typing a line in AIM chat caused his computer to freeze... Well, if the manufacturer of the SSD has parallelled a bunch of mlc controllers in a raid-0 setup to boost sequential write/read performance, the controller might have to read a megabyte of data or more, modify 512 bytes of it, write it back... and do this several times just for one line of chat (the disk IO being caused by the client logging, presumably)10:42
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ShadowJKI think he explains the structure of flash later on :)10:43
Macerhaha10:43
Maceryeah10:43
Macerwow that must have sucked10:43
Macer:)10:43
amoultall 4GB or larger miniSD cards are SDHC right?10:43
Maceri would have been seriously pissed... but he is right when he says they were used to making thumb drives and compact flash drives10:44
ShadowJKamoult, yeah I'd think so10:44
Macerafter all these vendors and controller manufacturers were used to making USB sticks and CF cards, not hard drives.10:44
ShadowJKMacer, yeah see, it's perfectly fine for digital cameras, video cameras and such, because there all you need is fast sequential write/read :)10:44
chxwhy would i want more than 2-4gb?10:44
chxi am just asking.10:44
RST38hamoult: yes10:44
RST38hchx: video.10:45
RST38hwith audio close second10:45
RST38halso maps10:45
chxvideo... what codec do we use on that device (mine is being shipped so i do not know yet). H.264?10:45
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ShadowJKmpeg4 asp10:46
ShadowJKh264 isn't that great10:46
Macerx25e 32GB is 12.88/GB10:46
Macerhaha10:46
ShadowJKchx, http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding10:46
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* RST38h absolutely hates it when the board does not let him go past 400MHz just because SDRAM chip can't pull at 150MHz10:49
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RST38hOn the other hand, at least it supports 64MB SDRAM10:50
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chxMacer: these SSDs are child toys10:51
Macermaybe10:52
Maceri think that a smaller faster drive is better than a larger slower one any day10:52
Macerat least for the OS drive10:52
chxMacer: the real game beings with Fusio-IO ioDrive10:52
Macerhaha10:53
Macerthat is interesting10:53
chxand then the RamSan boxes10:53
ShadowJKMacer, yeah.. I'm seriously tempted by OCZ Vertez in 16-32GB range..10:53
chxof course, we our needs are likely to be different10:54
Macerthose are server cards tho10:54
Macerpcie 4x for servers10:54
chxWell, I live that10:54
Maceri'd rather use a cf10:54
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chxwhat do you do when your database shows you the finger runnning  on eight 15K disks in a RAID0+1 ?10:54
Macerhahhha10:55
Macerspecial circumstance10:55
Maceri was looking at ssds in end user use10:55
ShadowJKchx, don't shout at the disks atleast, Sun proved it makes it worse :)10:55
Macerhow much are these cards chx ?10:56
pupnik_loud noises?10:56
chxMacer: 7000 bucks or so10:56
chxMacer: honestly? not too much10:56
Macerfor how large?10:56
Macerhow much space does $7000 give you for fusionio card?10:56
Macerthat would be a $7000 horror if the thing broke on you :)10:57
chxhttp://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=1694945&cm_mmc=ShoppingFeeds-_-GoogleBase-_-Data%20Storage/Drives-_-1694945_FUSION%20160GB%20IODRIVE%20PCIE%20X4_FUI-FS1-B01-160-ES-42110:58
chx160gb10:58
chxthe 80gb is just 300010:58
Macerhahaha10:59
Macerwell.. ill read up on them later10:59
Maceri would love to see what types of redundancy they have10:59
doc|homeshit, for 3k I'll say 1s and 0s faster than you can imagine10:59
Macerdoc|home: haha10:59
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Macerchx: i was looking at end user ssd10:59
Maceri think a fusionio would be a little overkill for my laptop or something :)11:00
Macerwell... desktop i guess since they are pcie cards11:00
chxwell, if i were to buy SSD in my notebook I would buy an X25-E11:00
* ShadowJK tries to find a fast 1GB SD card11:00
ShadowJK(my previous one died :( )11:00
chxeven this is a bit overkill, but i am wary of MLC11:00
Maceri am wary of everything11:00
Macerlike i said.. those things can break too :)11:01
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Maceri mean don't get me wrong.. for $3000 it sure in teh fuck better not.. and you get what you pay for...11:01
chxVideo data rate and resolution is limited to about 800Kbps and 400x240 (352x288 on the 770).11:01
Macerbut it can happen :)11:01
chxSucks.11:01
chxMPlayer for Maemo is not as limited as the built-in Media player, and recommended over the built-in player for all users. More video codecs are supported, higher video bitrates and resolutions will play without framedrop, and external subtitles are supported.11:01
Macerchx: yes it does11:01
chxYAY11:01
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Macerbut why would you need more for the n800?11:02
Macerit isn't like it's a high def television11:02
chxx240?11:02
chxpfffft11:02
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Macerheh11:02
chxI want 768x48011:02
chxor so.11:03
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Maceruse an n95 then :)11:03
Macerhas a hw decoder11:03
chxhah11:03
Macereven if it uses symbian :-\11:03
Macerdamn you nokia11:03
chxi have a Nokia E5111:03
MacerMAKE A NEW SYMBIAN11:03
chxan external BT GPS receiver11:03
Maceri want iSymbian11:03
Macerhahaha11:03
chxI am already pretty well equipped11:04
chxbut the problem is, sometimes I badly need to SSH when not home11:04
Maceryou can't ssh from the e51?11:04
chxnow, a freedom slim keyboard is 60 bucks11:04
ShadowJKmy E70 is nice for SSH, it even has ctrl key :)11:04
chxi have an E70 too, where is HSDPA?11:04
Macermy g1 is great for it11:04
Macer:)11:04
chxthe g1 is a) expensive b) low res.11:05
chxthe res is important when flying11:05
Macerit was $18011:05
chxI want to watch videos11:05
chxwith a contract11:05
ShadowJKyou need hsdpa for ssh?11:05
Macerhaha11:05
ShadowJKisn't wcdma enough :)11:05
chxShadowJK: not just ssh11:05
Maceryou want to watch high res vids on a mobile device?11:05
Maceri mean... doesn't he small screen kind of defeat the purpose?11:05
chxjust DVD res.11:05
ShadowJKBut yeah, I wish nokia would make a new E7011:05
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Maceryou are correct though. g1 only plays lower res vids11:06
Macerbut i mean... you can watch them :) i wasn't expecting the imax experience11:06
chxLOL11:06
chxthat imax experience is a ie11:06
chx*lie11:06
chxi mean, sure, we have an imax theatre11:06
chxbut then again I was in the Metreon in SF11:07
chxthat's.... that's... unbelievable11:07
Macerdoesn't imax use like11:07
chxI was SO lucky: i spent less than 24 hours in SF (thanks god, i hate that cesspit) and just when 300 was airing in IMAX in the Metreon11:07
chxthat was quite a something11:07
Macer60 frames per sec film or something?11:07
Maceror something faster... like 12011:08
chxhttp://gizmodo.com/5250625/cineplexes-getting-imax-but-is-it-really-imax11:08
Macerthey're faking imax? :)11:08
Macerour imax is in the museum11:08
Maceror at least it was last i checked. museum of science and industry11:08
chxwell its particularly easy to check11:09
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chxif your imax theatre is like seven stories tall, its real :P11:10
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chxi mean, the Metreon screen is 80 feet tall.11:11
ShadowJK"here are two things you don’t want to do when writing to flash: 1) you don’t want to overwrite data, and 2) you don’t want to erase data. If flash were used as a replacement for DVD-Rs then we wouldn’t have a problem, but it’s being used as a replacement for conventional HDDs. Who thought that would be a good idea?"11:12
ShadowJKheh :)11:12
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Macerbut this screen is coupled with the removal of several rows of seats which allows it to be scooted roughly 30 feet closer to the audience, creating a sort of sitting too close the TV effect with a screen that, I was told, is perceived as 75 feet wider than before.11:13
Macerchx: our imax was actually this huge dome thing11:14
Macerit's odd that i was just at the museum and didn't think about it :)11:14
chxyeah those domed stuff is cool11:16
chx*are coo11:16
chxwe have an IMAX SR screen which shows movies and a real imax in a museum downtown  (Vancouver)11:17
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chxbut check these super exciting http://www.tribute.ca/theatre/IMAX+Theatre+Canada+Place/IMAXCN movies11:19
* chx yawns11:19
pupnik_omnitheater11:21
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Macerheh11:22
Macerfilm costs $40,000?11:22
Maceri don't understand how the projectors are digital and use film. is that like a digital record player ?11:23
chxnight11:25
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RST38hMacer: they read digital movies off perforated film11:34
RST38hStill need a special guy to glue it together if it breaks11:35
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rhaamohi people11:45
rhaamoi've a small problem ... i've changed the password for "locking" a day i think, but i can't remember it :/ and when starting my n810 it prompt for it :( any ideas to reset it without full reinstall ? i've the bootmenu so i can acces it over the network ..11:47
pupnik_ask the person you stole it from?11:48
pupnik_just kidding :)11:48
rhaamo:p11:48
pupnik_hang around rhaamo maybe someone knows11:48
rhaamoyes :)11:49
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pupnik_can u ssh to device?11:51
rhaamoit start and prompt directly for password, i can't access to the gui to start wifi :p11:52
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lcuk\o11:54
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rhaamoi've the / mounted via the bootmenu, if someone have ideas to remove the password now :)12:08
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pupnik_http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+reset+lock+password  rhaamo12:17
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pupnik_ rhaamo - powerline12:19
pupnik_http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2008-March/032983.html12:19
rhaamothx i will try..12:19
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rhaamogrmbl, can't exec any binary inside /tmp/12:21
ShadowJKis it just me or does mp3 play and stream just fine with media player even if you force the device into 133Mhz..12:22
tank-manmaybe boot up in single user mode to change password12:23
ShadowJKnot that big of a difference in power consumption though12:23
ShadowJK166 not 13312:24
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lcukis there a way i can create a network share on my n810 and access it directly from windows with \\n810\sharename12:28
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ShadowJKI guess you'd need to get the samba server compiled, installed and setup :)12:30
lcukthx ShadowJK ill look into i12:31
lcukt12:31
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tank-manquickest way maybe using the debian chroot and installing samba in there and then adding the share thru the web interface12:40
tank-manlocalhost:90112:40
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lcuktank-man, that doesnt sound quick12:50
tank-mani can't think of a quicker alternative12:51
tank-manunless someone made a package for maemo12:51
lcukwell i found sambe is installed12:52
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lcuksamba12:52
lcukand ive just added an entry to its conf file and rebooted12:53
lcukand im just seeing :)12:53
pupnik_hope rx51 can recharge (if slowly) from USB12:55
pupnik_and simple usb networking would help for those need-to-xfer-fast moments12:55
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lardmanmorning all13:11
lardmanno roundabouts in sight I hope :)13:11
lcukheh mornin13:12
lcukdamn @ samba not being full server13:13
lardmanso it's definitely called a Merry-go-round13:14
lardmanand a carousel is a big one13:14
lardmanand a roundabout is a thing you try to slide around in a car, while cursing other people who foolishly pull infront of you13:14
lardmans/carousel is a big one/carousel is a big one with horses and stuff13:15
lardmanlcuk: how's Tracy?13:18
lcuksleeping, she tried to go to work this mornin but came back an hour later13:19
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lardmanwhat's up?13:19
lcukjust a bit poorly13:19
lardmanah, poor thing, pass on my best wishes13:19
lcukwil do :)13:19
lcukive apparantly found an implementation of sshfs for windows!13:20
lcukthats free!13:20
lardmanhmm, my computer seems to think it's 31/12/0713:20
lardmanvery odd13:20
lcukbut it IS 31/12/07 - you mustv drunk too much wine last night13:21
lardmanhmm13:21
lardmanfell through a black hole!13:21
lcukno? its 31/12/2107 ??13:21
lcukdidnt you watch the pluto landing last week?13:22
lardmanoi13:22
lardmanhmm, I'm sure I didn't have a 5' beard when I went to bed last night13:22
lcuk:D13:22
lcukyou missed your wedding and everything!13:23
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lardman:D13:23
lardmandamn Amazon and their MP3 downloads, I want a CD!13:24
lardmanor do they not exist anymore?13:24
lardmanprobably holographic laser implants of some such13:24
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lcukheh cds are good but you are right they are fading13:26
lcuksshfs to windows works!13:26
lcukand it was free :D13:26
lcukand open source ish13:26
lardmangood good13:26
lcukfor people wanting to use it themselves its: dokan sshfs13:26
lcukim viewing my maemo stuff in windows easily :)13:27
lcuk(thats for the benfit of google searchers :D)13:27
lcukthats actually really good to do13:27
lardmanso my comment about roundabouts should now stretch out and educate the world(s)?13:28
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lcukyeah lol13:29
lcukbut its still a roundabout13:29
lcukwe have never called them merrygorounds13:29
lcukcos they aint merry13:29
lardmanI don't know what you let your children do, but I certainly wouldn't let mine play on one, even on the grassy bit in the moddle13:29
lardmanmiddle13:29
lardman;)13:29
lcukheh13:29
lardmanwell the feeling you get is the same as when you get a bit too "merry"13:30
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lardmanI think it works on many levels :)13:30
lcuki like how some cities make roundabouts a centre piece and so you can use them for directions13:30
lardmanMilton Keynes?13:31
lardmanThe problem with directions near roundabouts is that you're usually lining up for the best line through, hard to read the signs (and the bloody speed limit changes they often stick there too!)13:31
lcukyeah, but i meant abroad13:32
lardmanah gay Paris13:32
derfJohn Maynard Friedman?13:32
derfWhat?13:32
lcukmilton is a nightmare no matter how well you dress it up13:32
lardmanhas nice concrete cows though13:32
lardmanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_Cows just in case you don't know13:33
derfThere's actually a town named Milton Keynes?13:33
lardmanyep13:33
glassye13:33
derfThat's... awesome, I suppose.13:33
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lardmanpoety + economics, I wonder if that was the effect the town planners were after...?13:34
derfI was thinking of a different Milton.13:35
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thopiekaris there somebody familar in chrooting and xephyr?14:23
lcukqole is chroot king14:23
thopiekarhmm when is he usually online?14:24
lcukcatch him in itt14:25
lcukt.m.o tather14:25
lcukrather14:25
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Macerblah15:53
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Macerugh. i'm at some usmc administrative screening15:56
Macerand they are playing this song over and over and over and it is driving me nuts15:57
Maceri wonder if they have subliminal shit in it that tries to get you to re-enlist15:57
Macerhaha15:57
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fiferboy_n810lbt:  Hey16:25
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RST38hhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/16/keepin-it-real-fake-part-ccvii-nokla-batman-mobile-phone-gets/16:36
RST38h(but will it pair? =))16:36
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lbtfiferboy_n810: hi16:39
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fiferboy_n810lbt: Got your latest code16:41
fiferboy_n810It fixes the scrollbar jumping at the bottom16:41
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RST38hAnyone knows what package I have to install in Ubuntu to get Xlib.h and other X11 headers17:09
soapapt-cache search?17:11
RST38hsearch what?17:12
* RST38h isn't familiar with apt-cache syntax17:13
yergaRST38h, libx11-dev?17:13
yergaa useful site is http://packages.ubuntu.com/17:14
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yergathe section named 'Search the contents of packages'17:14
RST38hyerga: thanks!17:14
* RST38h admits that was kinda obvious but he is stupid and used to get all this stuff by default17:14
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lopzhola17:21
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JaffaAf'noon17:26
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keesjRST38h:  dpkg -S Xlib.h17:44
keesjlibx11-dev: /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h17:44
RST38hkeesj: !17:45
GAN800Hi, Jaffa.17:49
keesjjeremiah uses apt-file search Catalyst/Devel.pm17:51
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GAN800lcuk, mind moving that to the wiki?18:15
lcukyes i do mind lol, im working :)  it proves qole and jaffa etcs point18:16
lcuki dont know wiki syntax nor do i care to learn it again for little things18:16
lcukif its wanted put it there please :)18:16
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Maceromfg18:21
RST38h?18:21
Macerthis shit is reminding me why i didnt re-enlist18:21
Macerthe marine corps was like living in the dmv. and i mean the old wait in long ass lines dmv18:22
Macernot the new grab the ticket shit18:22
RST38hWhat happened anyway?18:23
Maceri am stuck in an inactive ready reserve brief for people who arent active anymore but still obligated for inactive time18:24
Macerand i am dying to go home18:24
RST38hOh...18:24
RST38hDo they at least pay you for it?18:24
Maceryeah. $20018:25
Macerfrom 830-120018:25
RST38hFor a day of listening to martial bullshit?18:25
Macerbut i dont need the money18:25
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Maceryup18:25
Macerand filling out forms18:25
Macerits torture18:25
* RST38h didn't get paid for this crap back at the university18:26
Maceri hope they end it in a couple minutes18:26
RST38hAnd cellular networks did not exist.18:26
Macerlol18:27
thuxRST38h: how long ago that was?18:27
RST38hthux: 1989-199118:27
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thuxok18:27
RST38hthux: At some point, I just stopped coming there, figured that I am gonna leave for US anyway so they have no legal leverage on me18:28
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GAN800lcuk, there isn't anything to learn.19:15
GAN800You can paste the existing text block in there.19:15
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dmsupermanHow do I mount my n800 to my computer with my usb cable?19:22
dmsupermanI forgot19:22
Stskeepsplug it in? :P19:22
Stskeepsit acts as a usb mass storage cable19:22
Stskeepserr. storage19:22
dmsupermanHrm, it's not showing up :S19:22
dmsupermanDoes the device need to be on?19:22
RazumihinYes.19:23
RazumihinBoth the n800 and the computer.19:23
Stskeepsdoesnt turn on on its own, nor charges through usb19:23
Razumihin;)19:23
dmsupermanIs there something magic I need for doing it with linux on the PC?19:23
Razumihinyou could manually mount it if you know where it's located under /dev.19:24
RazumihinBut if you're using standard ubuntu it should mount.19:24
dmsupermanfdisk -l isn't listing it is my issue :P19:25
yergadmesg?19:25
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* Stskeeps yawns20:36
GAN800Got a pbnb for lunch but forgot chips.20:38
GAN800 /dumbass20:38
Stskeepshehe20:38
Stskeepsi read it as having penguinbait for lunch :P20:38
RST38humgh20:38
* GAN800 puts a bullet through his brain.20:39
GAN800RST38h, had any luck with the Messaging beta on the 5800?20:39
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Stskeepsregretting the 5800 purchase? :P20:48
RST38hGAN: No, I moved it to a folder named Trash and installed an ICQ client20:49
RST38hsame with Download and a few other programs20:49
GAN800Stskeeps, meh, it's a pretty decent phone, but I was expecting more stability and polish.20:50
RST38hit feeels ok if you do not purposely step onto Nokia "services"20:51
GAN800RST38h, I installed it, it worked once (and looked quite nice) then choked on my gmail inbox and I haven't been able to get anything besides the default mail client since.20:51
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RST38hPublic opinion kinda indicates that ProfiMail is the best S60 mail client20:53
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RST38hI would install a cracked version to test, then buy it if you like it20:54
RST38h22 euros20:54
GAN800Yeesh20:55
GAN800I'll just wait for the FOSS Fremantle Modest. . . .20:56
Stskeepsisn't it open source?20:56
Stskeepsit's in fremantle beta afaik20:56
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RST38hGAN: Stakes are low in favor of that :) :(20:56
GAN800RST38h, did you see the screencast?20:56
RST38hYes, I did20:57
RST38hBut that does not say anything about stability unfortunately20:57
GAN800Stskeeps, my point was in comparison to the fscking expensice commercial S60 client. ;)20:57
GAN800RST38h, meh.20:57
RST38hIf you remember the Diablo Modest could not even connect to many accounts (including GMail) and still has problems connecting20:57
GAN800Lunch over. :(20:57
RST38hGAN: Builtin S60 email client is actually ok, although not stellar20:58
RST38hIM client: http://www.series60v5.net/index.php?categoryid=8&p13_sectionid=3&p13_fileid=18 (it was free last time I checked, so you won't violate anything installing it)20:59
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Macerugh21:50
Stskeepsmm?21:52
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Macerhi Stskeeps22:04
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Maceri need to sleep :) long day today22:04
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