IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2009-03-27

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igagisjoyrider: in znax what should I do if there is no rectangles left?00:04
joyriderthere really aren't any left ?00:04
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igagisI always have 1 or 2 in best case right after game start00:05
igagisrectangles of the same color00:05
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joyriderjust the corners needs to be the same colors00:05
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joyriderthe inside can have diffrent colors00:05
igagisOk, will try that00:05
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igagisyes it works... it was not obvious for me...00:06
igagisbut looks interesting now :-)00:06
joyriderhehe :)00:07
igagisafter I know how to play00:07
joyrideryeah i should think about creating ingame help system00:07
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joyriderbut i list it most of the time on my website00:07
igagisI haven't visited your website, so I did not know that00:08
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igagisIt would be good to add a "how to play" menu item in the main menu00:08
igagiswith gameplay description00:08
igagissome people may be confused just like me :-)00:09
joyrideryeah i didn't do it because on the gp2x people had to download it from an archive or my website and i included a readme in the zip files so they could read that :)00:09
joyriderthose 2 games are games i made for the gp2x initially00:09
igagiswhat os gp2x?00:09
RST38hlinsux00:10
joyriderarm linux00:10
igagiswhat is*00:10
igagisah, ok00:10
joyriderit's a korean handheld00:10
igagisI see00:10
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joyriderbut gp2x isn't sold anymore because they're about to release the wiz (the successor to the gp2x)00:10
qwerty12_N800joyrider: you can have a text file displayed during install, google maemo-confirm-text00:10
joyriderah00:11
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joyriderwill do that00:11
igagisActually when installing I read 'info' tab in app manager, but there's nothing about corners of the rectangle... I read that info twice to figure out how to play... :-)00:11
joyrideri'll add it00:12
qwerty12_N800though, if you use set -e, you'll wanna run it with '|| true' on the end :)00:12
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joyriderqwerty12_N800 found the maemo page explaining it but i don't quite understand this sentence : (english isn't my native language) : In order to use maemo-confirm-text in postinst, Depends should be included in the "maemo-installer-utils" package <- does that mean i should add maemo-installer-utils to the dependencies ?00:15
qwerty12_N800joyrider: yeah, and then just add maemo-confirm-text <text file> to your postinst. When you press cancel, it exits with 1 so if you're using it to just display a text file, use: "maemo-confirm-text <text file> || true"00:19
joyriderok thanks00:20
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AStormhiya01:13
AStormI see there are plenty of GSoC proposals01:13
AStormand a few are touching hwr01:13
AStormI'm actually working on one (in Python)01:13
AStormany mentor? :)01:14
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AStormoh btw, I was considering tracing for this project too01:16
AStormbut I had to pick from these two - decided to go with hwr01:16
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z4chhi submitted my gsoc proposal :)03:53
Lanzacool, what project do you want to work on ?03:54
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b-manz4chh: awsome :)03:57
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z4chhLanza, liqbase03:57
b-man:)03:58
trollasaurusIs the source for "Marbles" available somewhere ?03:59
trollasaurusI love that game, but can't find it anywhere :-P03:59
Lanza@z4chh: looks cool, best of luck04:00
z4chhthanks Lanza :D04:01
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skibur_anybody know how to slow down flite speech rate?04:48
RST38hdrug her!04:48
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benson_RST38h: her?!04:54
RST38hbenson: well, I am assuming he is using a female voice in flite04:54
benson_flite has one voice compiled in.04:54
RST38hBTW, anyone knows why would FF3 be constantly writing to disk on XP?04:54
benson_And it's *not* female.04:55
* RST38h never really used flite04:55
benson_(Not male, either, though.)04:55
RST38hok, drug him or it or whatever was compiled in04:55
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bensonskibur_: you can pipe it through sox...04:55
skibur_?04:56
skibur_sox?04:56
* benson looks for some lame scripts he had to do that job...04:56
skibur_checking...04:57
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bensonhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13640504:58
bensonIt's pretty old, I haven't messed with it since Diablo, at least.04:59
bensonBut the same concept should still be good, just have to refind all the pieces.04:59
bensonskibur_: forget sox, looks like I was only using that to pan it to one channel and crank the volume.05:02
bensonesdcat is all you need to change the speed/pitch.05:02
skibur_o ok05:03
skibur_thanks05:03
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zakkmcould you use openmoko OS on a n800?06:46
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sidneihello there, anyone around to help me with a bootmenu issue? no matter what i do my n810 always boots straight into maemo (following the jaunty 2.1 on n810 instructions)08:43
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Jaffasidnei: held down the menu button whilst powering up?09:26
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Stskeepsmorning09:35
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Jaffalo Stske09:40
Jaffalo Stskeeps09:40
* Stskeeps hopes the fever disappears today so he can work on stuff.09:41
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: ping09:48
timeless_mbpi'm trying to build libc and got errors from the tests i guess09:48
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: bit out of my league - libc is a can of worms to work with09:50
timeless_mbpbut do you build it?09:50
timeless_mbpor do you just steal upstreams?09:50
Stskeepswe steal upstream currently09:50
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Stskeeps(if we don't explicitly replace something using our repo, it uses ubuntu's)09:51
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timeless_mbphey, could someone familiar w/ dpkg-buildpackage tell me how to skip running tests for a package? :)10:08
qwerty12What package?10:08
timeless_mbpglibc  :)10:09
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qwerty12Tried changing RUN_TESTSUITE?10:13
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timeless_mbpno, i don't speak dpkg* and don't really want to learn :)10:15
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StskeepsJaffa: http://zenvoid.org/tmp/crappy-hildonize.c10:51
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b0unc3good morning10:55
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atvpleas help regarding GSOC12:05
* timeless_mbp would hope GSOC people would be willing to write in complete sentences with proper spelling12:06
timeless_mbpi.e. "please expend some effort to justify an equivalent exchange of effort"12:07
GeneralAntillesSo demanding.12:08
timeless_mbpgan: you should see all the other things i'm doing now12:08
atvsorry for that but I was looking for some who can guide me selecting GSOC project proposed by maemo12:09
timeless_mbpsee, that wasn't so hard12:09
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aquatixsomeone needs an anti-cynical pill ;)12:09
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, sitting like an emperor in front of your shinny new laptop demanding complete sentences from everyone around you? :D12:09
* aquatix pats timeless_mbp 12:09
timeless_mbpit is nice and shiny, yes12:10
timeless_mbpbut so much work12:10
* aquatix needs to polish his laptop12:10
timeless_mbpi had to install dozens of apps, setup vbox, and vms, rebuild mer, try to rebuild glibc12:10
aquatixdamn those glossy casings12:10
timeless_mbptry to file bugs against vbox12:10
aquatixtimeless_mbp: liking your macbook?12:10
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GeneralAntillesI need to get suspend working on mine. >:(12:10
timeless_mbpaquatix: yes12:11
* aquatix has suspend working out of the box on ubuntu12:11
timeless_mbpit feels great, and i'm learning to love the single touchpad area12:11
aquatix:)12:11
* timeless_mbp also loves the full screen zoom feature12:11
* timeless_mbp sighs12:12
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atvcan somebody help me with project ideas ? I have experience in working with bluetooth programming . I found a project titled "implement Bluetooth Speaker Support" . i am interested in participating in this. may I know who is hte mentor for this project?12:13
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, it was working, but now it's not.12:15
GeneralAntillesSo far, my experience with Ubuntu hasn't been stellar.12:15
timeless_mbpoh, i've broken ubuntu a couple of times12:15
timeless_mbpand had various other unhappy experiences with it12:15
timeless_mbpit vaguely works until you try to use it12:16
timeless_mbpthen it falls apart12:16
GeneralAntillesI was about 30 seconds away from installing OS X on this thing12:16
* timeless_mbp remembers using Ubuntu and Bug buddy at a SciFi conference12:16
GeneralAntillesthen it sort of started working12:16
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GeneralAntillesnow resume doesn't work.12:16
timeless_mbpI'd suggest installing OS X w/ 2 partitions 30gb for the OS and the rest as a second partition12:17
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GeneralAntilles8GB SSD. ;)12:17
timeless_mbpeww12:17
timeless_mbpum12:17
GeneralAntillesMeh, it was cheap.12:17
GeneralAntillesI have a G5 for bigiron work.12:17
timeless_mbpwell, if you install osx, be sure to use "custom" and skip the lang packs and printer drivers :)12:17
GeneralAntillesYeah, I know how to make it small. ;)12:18
timeless_mbpw/ 8gb, you can't really build much, so that rules out lots of things12:18
GeneralAntillesOS X is the one thing I can consistently bend to my will.12:18
timeless_mbpit also rules out virtualizing12:18
timeless_mbpdo you usually have net access?12:18
timeless_mbpbtw, can you walk me through setting up BT DUN w/ my Nokia phone? :)12:18
timeless_mbp<oh the irony, yes i know>12:18
GeneralAntillesOn Leopard?12:18
timeless_mbp(how many nokia employees does it take to setup BT DUN to a Nokia phone? I dunno, but so far it's 2 and counting)12:19
GeneralAntillesIt's almost as easy as on Maemo on Leopard.12:19
timeless_mbpyes12:19
timeless_mbpMBP, 10.5.612:19
X-Fadelbt: Can't you just add git to your existing project?12:19
atvhi friends. I am panning to participate in GSOC 09 . Can anybody help me regarding project "setting up bluetooth audio speaker". this project is listed in ideas list?12:19
GeneralAntillesPair it and plug in the appropriate in and fou should be good to go.12:19
timeless_mbpatv: : i think you want jhe12:20
timeless_mbpwell, i paired it w/ my phone12:20
timeless_mbpbut figuring out the appropriate info...12:20
atvwho is the mentor for this project?12:20
lbtX-Fade: would love to :) Ferenc says no12:20
lbtwould be happy to delete and recreate...12:20
lbtor play other games to help?12:20
lbtthe svn in shopper is only used for www12:20
X-Fadelbt: Hmm indeed..12:21
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lbtthe tracker has a few bugs and patches which it would be nice to move accross...12:21
X-Fadelbt: Blame ferenc ;)12:21
X-Fadelbt: I'll accept the project..12:21
lbtheh - it's in beta12:21
timeless_mbpatv: anyway, jhe is the right person to poke12:21
lbtI'm just happy to have git12:21
timeless_mbphe's 1hr idle12:21
timeless_mbpif he isn't the right person, he can point you to someone12:21
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timeless_mbpwell, it seemed like i needed to create a BT Serial Port to make the network thing happy12:22
timeless_mbpand now all it does is show 'connecting' and for a brief instant use BT12:22
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GeneralAntillesOperator settings are probably wrong12:27
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, what provider?12:36
timeless_mbpElisa [FI]12:37
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GeneralAntillesAPN should be "Elisa internet"12:40
GeneralAntillesPotentially optional username/pass is 3g/3g.12:40
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sp3000those were blank in the tablet's settings12:51
sp3000the u/p that is12:51
GeneralAntillessp3000, google seems to think they may be optional.12:51
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timeless_mbpis there a phone number?12:59
timeless_mbpNo description. Press the Edit button below to add it.12:59
timeless_mbpeep12:59
* timeless_mbp kicks something12:59
timeless_mbpInternet Connect12:59
timeless_mbpCould not open communications device12:59
timeless_mbp(or something like that, os x didn't copy the text from the dialog)12:59
GeneralAntillesShouldn't be a phone number.13:00
Stskeeps*99#? :P13:00
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Stskeepsor whatever it was13:00
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JaffaStskeeps: nice. Why does zenvoid need the g_object_new override (it doesn't appear to do anything on first glance)13:02
JaffaStskeeps: But that's exactly how I imagined it. I've also got some code around which might be able to do auto-menuification13:02
StskeepsJaffa: no clue, but he did say it was a crappy way :)13:03
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timeless_mbpit still gives "Could not open communications device"13:10
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timeless_mbpwell, something like that, i still can't copy the errror13:11
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Stskeepswello13:28
rmt_How's it going?13:28
Stskeepssick like hell and need to take my dishes. :P13:28
* rmt_ is in Lucerne at the moment.. very pretty place.13:28
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, take' em where?13:33
GeneralAntillesThe park?13:33
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svu_ping alterego13:34
alteregopong13:35
alteregoSmelly13:35
alteregosvu_?13:35
svu_alterego, are you the person who did the ruby port?13:35
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27879&highlight=stone13:35
alteregosvu_: indeed.13:35
svu_(yes, that was my question)13:35
svu_alterego, do you have plans to move ruby to extras?13:36
svu_can I be of any help?13:36
alteregoYes, I have the account set up.13:36
alteregoI've just been really stretched for time :/13:36
svu_just yesterday I've tried uploading my little ruby app, and of course I could not - because of missing ruby13:37
alteregoYeah13:37
alteregoIf I promise to do it on Sunday will that make you happy? :)13:37
svu_alterego, I would be really happy and grateful, thank a bunch!13:37
svu_alterego, the second question about ruby-hildon sources. are they available anywhere?13:38
alteregoNot right now, but I do plan on opening my subversion repository soon.13:38
alteregoWell, the maemo part of my subversion repository.13:38
svu_Sunday?:)13:39
alteregoI'll try.13:39
alteregoBasically, on Sunday I'll probably have enough time to setup extras and do svn, but I was hoping to finish my hildon-desktop applet loader.13:39
alteregoThat might have to wait for the following weekend in that case.13:40
alteregoOr I could stop getting pissed every night :S I'm so hung over right now it's criminal.13:40
svu_thanks a lot! I'd really celebrate that event13:40
svu_of course, having ruby in extras is more important to me13:40
GeneralAntillesToo bad we can't talk Nokia into setting up a hacking slush fund. ;)13:40
svu_alterego, also, would you put ruby-pkg-tools as well?13:40
alterego:)13:40
alteregoWhat's ruby-pkg-tools?13:40
svu_otherwise ruby based debs are difficult to build13:41
alteregoAh, okay.13:41
alteregoIs that a debian thing?13:41
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svu_I'd say so. At least I used it to build .deb on ubuntu13:41
alteregoCool, well that should be easily done.13:42
alteregoI'll make a note of it.13:42
alteregoAnd it's a very good idea ;)13:42
alteregoI wish I'd seen that before I started on ruby-maemo ;)13:42
svu_hope so. we have to promote ruby on maemo, I guess:)13:42
svu_well, glad that I could give you some useful info:)13:43
alteregoI was toying with the idea of doing a loader for faster load times, but the new device should increase that aspect so considerably that it makes the effort kind of pointless.13:43
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svu_anyway, for the start it would be great to have something working, somehow13:44
svu_then, if necessary, things can be optimized13:44
alteregoYeah.13:44
alteregoI'd also like to get ruby-gems working properly. It's so damn slow it's ridiculous. I was thinking maybe setting up my own gem repo as we can't build the extensions on device it makes sense just having pure ruby extensions available. Which should make gem run faster with a smaller catalogue.13:45
svu_yes, that might be a good idea13:46
alteregoI've been writing some insane ruby code at work. I'm having the best time of my life :)13:46
svu_but anyway, if most of the core packages are just .debs, people will be able to do simple things without going gems13:47
alteregoYeah13:47
* svu_ nearly envious :)13:47
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svu_if you need any help/testing/... you can find me  around here or on the forum13:48
alteregoGreat,13:48
svu_thanks for everything:) talk to you later13:48
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GeneralAntillesWho writes a blog post about a GUI and doesn't include any screenshots? :(15:11
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aquatixGeneralAntilles: a lazy writer15:14
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ShadowJKtimeless, I have *99***1# as phone number when connecting through Nokia15:17
ShadowJKalso an init string of AT+cgdcont=1,"IP","APN HERE"15:18
ShadowJKI suspect the internet APN of elisa is "internet", but I'm not sure15:18
sp3000ShadowJK: yeah the string "internet" was in one of the fields for the autoconfigured elisa thing on the tablet15:19
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sp3000we tried with that in the apn15:20
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ShadowJKIt also helps to restart/reboot all involved bluetooth devices :)15:21
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ShadowJKThough the N810 thankfully has a CSR bluetooth radio, which is relatively bug free15:22
ShadowJKMy E70's TI radio often wants a reboot cycle before it will agree to function though :)15:23
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brankinhuhow can I know if there is a module for maemo, for example... I connected a host usb, and I want to get the module that host usb.15:24
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ShadowJKWhat do you connect?15:25
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brankinhuShadowJK, I connected a Micaz... do you know?15:26
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ShadowJKno15:27
ShadowJKwhat driver would it use?15:27
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brankinhuftdi_si - is a usb host driver15:27
brankinhuI detected this driver on debian and ubuntu15:28
ShadowJKdoesn't seem to be included in maemo by default15:28
brankinhuI have the source code of this driver... i think that I have to create a module for him, what you think?15:31
disco_stuey.. why im getting error when installing transparency?15:31
ShadowJKbrankinhu, yes15:32
ShadowJKdon't ask me how though :)15:32
brankinhuShadowJK, eheheh... ok! I'll try. thanks15:33
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lopzhola16:18
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Stskeepsi officially don't understand GTK themeing(sp)16:46
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zeenixkulve: yo16:56
zeenixkulve: mafw repos are no longer empty :)16:56
zeenixkulve: also one student has submitted the proposal to work on gvfs gupnp backend to GSoC, lets hope he gets approved16:57
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sidneihello there, anyone around to help me with a bootmenu issue? no matter what i do my n810 always boots straight into maemo (following the jaunty 2.1 on n810 instructions)16:58
Stskeepsdid you do the "Install bootmenu" step? :P16:59
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Stskeepshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#N8x0_Install , follow the steps from Utilities -> Install bootmenu to "where you can select the partition you want to boot"17:00
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JaffaStskeeps: that page doesn't seem to be linked to from the "Downloads" page BTW17:13
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sidneiStskeeps: well, i ran refresh_bootmenu.d, isn't that the same?17:15
Stskeepssidnei: nop17:15
StskeepsJaffa: yeah, coming in the new release page17:15
Stskeepssidnei: refresh is just updating the bootmenu configuration17:15
sidneiStskeeps: got it. doing it now.17:16
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Stskeeps'lo qwerty1217:17
qwerty12hi Stskeeps17:17
sidneiStskeeps: cool! that worked. how stupid i fell :)17:17
Stskeepshow's it going, qwerty12?17:18
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qwerty12Stskeeps, lol, all good :). I'm meant to be at an after school lesson but thought fuck it :P17:18
qwerty12Stskeeps, still feeling ill? :(17:19
Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah, taking today off, but sitting and trying to get the theme stuff right now17:19
Stskeepsand doing some things around the house17:20
qwerty12:)17:20
sidneiuhm, seems like it got stuck at about 20% on the splash screen17:22
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Stskeepsqwerty12: happen to know what it is that boottime.kmap.gz that b-man does in ubuntu is?17:24
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qwerty12Stskeeps, no idea, I've never booted Ubuntu on my tablet17:25
Stskeepsk17:25
Stskeepsmeiz claims it makes things go a lot faster17:26
Stskeepsas in, boot time wise17:26
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sidneiwell, .kmap is a keymap isnt it?17:27
sidneii can't see how that would make a boot faster, unless it's about the size (ie, it's a stripped down kmap to save on memory)17:28
Stskeepswell maybe it doesn't have to probe and all that stuff17:28
sidneiindeed17:29
sidneioh, look, it's booting now! i had commented out 'ITEM_LINUXRC' due to misleading advice17:29
Stskeepsah17:29
Stskeepsbe aware it might actually die now17:30
Stskeepswith "incompatible boot menu"17:30
sidneithe progress bar on the splash menu went all the way to like 98% then it is stuck there now17:30
qwerty12Stskeeps, really can't see how boottime.kmap would make it boot faster...17:30
sidneii think i saw someone reporting that17:30
Stskeepssidnei: if you did without ITEM_LINUXRC at first, your installation is screwed17:31
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sidneiStskeeps: nice. so i have to wipe the partition clean and start again?17:31
Stskeepssidnei: aye17:31
timelE61iSts: so... Do you have any gripes about vbox?17:32
sidneiStskeeps: sure there's no way around that? sounds very extreme :)17:32
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timelE61iAlso... Can you check to see if your vmdk is really properly partitioned ? :)17:33
timelE61iBecause when i tried to grow it, i was told the partition was bigger than the drive :)17:34
StskeepstimelE61i: hmm.17:34
StskeepstimelE61i: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/vmdk-maker , script i use17:35
timelE61iNo time today :)17:35
Stskeepsk17:35
StskeepstimelE61i: so far i like vbox more than vmware really17:36
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Stskeepswhen i was able to get my ex gf to use vbox on her mac without big gripes, they did something right17:36
Stskeepssidnei: recreating /var/run with right permissions but honestly, restart :P17:37
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sidneiStskeeps: ok, doing it already.17:37
* GeneralAntilles tries to figure out how to unsubscribe from the GSoC mentor's list.17:37
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: you already lost hope in humanity? :P17:38
timelE61iGan: Heh17:38
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, WTF is wrong with these people?17:38
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: you should see the e-mails university professors get from indian universities about internships..17:38
kulvezeenix: yay for gvfs backend :)17:39
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Stskeeps"harmattan compatibility"17:39
Stskeepsdear god, they started already17:39
GeneralAntillesHarmattan is going to run on everybody's hardware but Stskeeps'.17:40
kulvezeenix: I noticed that you've also implemented some transcoding stuff17:40
Stskeepsbut yay, gtk 2.1417:40
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GeneralAntillesEverything from your '96 Caprice to your Wii.17:41
JaffaStskeeps: url?17:41
StskeepsJaffa: https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/branches/gtk%2B/upgrade-gtk-2-14/?root=maemo , and the harmattan was just a sh script stuff in dbus, nothing interesting17:41
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Jaffafairy nuff17:42
* Stskeeps will be joyous over 2.14.17:42
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Stskeepsah. of course jaunty moved on to 2.1617:43
Stskeepslovely.17:43
GeneralAntillesI see ukki has some sort of vendetta against Extras.17:43
Stskeepsisn't it a requirement to be a community member, to have some kind of vendetta against something? :P17:44
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, oh, it's not that, he really did want to upload his programs to Extras but I think he got pissed off when he got skanked twice17:44
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12, thus the vendetta, evidently.17:45
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qwerty12Fair enough, I just think he doesn't hate Extras but doesn't see it as the end all and be all17:47
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* Stskeeps really looks forward to seeing how OBS will work.17:48
Jaffaqwerty12: how did he get "skanked" (verb confusion => EPARSEERROR)17:49
GeneralAntillesJaffa, X-Fade took a shiv to him.17:50
qwerty12"To be ripped off, or be in a situation resulting in a negative outcome." - alterego told ukki twice that ruby would be in Extras17:50
qwerty12skanked, not shanked ;)17:50
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GeneralAntillesWe all know X-Fade's a bit of a skank. ;)17:51
qwerty12Lol17:51
X-Fadesssssssh ;)17:51
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12, that seems to have very little to do with Extras.17:52
GeneralAntillesand really only serves to solidify the "people should put their stuff in Extras" point.17:52
GeneralAntilles(Ubuntu power management sucks)17:52
qwerty12GeneralAntilles, he couldn't upload his programs without ruby being there - well, he could, but 98% of people wouldn't be able to install it. With his own repo (and I don't agree with own repos personally), he could upload the binary packages alterego had put out17:53
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GeneralAntillesYes, a good copy of Ruby in Extras is why everybody should be uploading their stuff to Extras. ;)17:54
zeenixkulve: what do you mean 'also'? :)17:54
zeenixkulve: do you mean you did the same/similar or that besides those things i did transcoding?17:55
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kulvezeenix: yeah, besides those things..17:55
kulvebbl17:55
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zeenixkulve: yeah, it wasn't that hard given the generic design i have in rygel for proxying uris and gst elements17:56
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.woot.com/17:56
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Atrus6Yay Woot17:57
Atrus6Wait...It says it is both 8GB and 4 GB17:59
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GeneralAntilles8GB Class 417:59
GeneralAntillesSold out anyway17:59
Atrus6But in the features, it says 4GB17:59
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Atrus6Oh, it matters not, I have enough cards to lose anyways18:01
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/OOo-dual-menus.png18:02
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, doesn't want to load.18:03
timeless_mbpreally? it's a kinda big png, but it should load....18:03
GeneralAntillesAh, that'd explain it. 2.3MB at 30KB/sec18:04
timeless_mbpoh brother18:04
* timeless_mbp = stupid18:04
* timeless_mbp is copying an iTunes library into a non special path18:05
qwerty12Corsac, shame on you for compat = 7 =in epdfview :P18:05
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, hehe, that's special.18:05
GeneralAntillesBoring hard drive name. :P18:06
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timeless_mbpwell, there was supposed to be one named W718:08
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, cmd-shft-3 dumps jgpes, by the way.18:08
timeless_mbpreally?18:08
GeneralAntilleser, jpegs18:08
timeless_mbptraditionally it dumped PDFs18:08
GeneralAntillesNew since Tiger, I think.18:08
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timeless_mbpbut then i decided to use ZFS and VBox18:08
timeless_mbpso w7 is now just a file somewhere18:08
timeless_mbpi was having trouble getting cmd strokes to work, so i used "grab" and its timer feature18:09
timeless_mbpactually, it looks like Firefox has the same behavior18:09
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GeneralAntillesIt's global18:09
timeless_mbpso... after playing around further18:09
timeless_mbpthis is actually a feature, not a bug18:09
timeless_mbpit's just strange until you get used to it18:10
GeneralAntillesI don't even click help menus18:10
timeless_mbpok, so OOo *is* buggy18:10
timeless_mbpbut only for my original bug18:10
timeless_mbpin a normal help search, cmd-a works (select all)18:10
timeless_mbpin OOo's help, it doesn't.18:10
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Plastunhi2all18:26
thopiekarhi Plastun18:26
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Plastunis there anybody rus?18:27
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* thopiekar is just learning rus at school :P18:28
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igagisPlastun, I'm from russia18:29
Plastunohm!18:29
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Plastunwhat principles maemo uses when choose project for gsoc?18:31
Plastuncount of students applications? or some else?18:31
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Atrus6Yeah, that would be helpful, since I'm writing my proposal now ^^18:33
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Stskeepsno clue, my hope would be prioritizing based on importance to the community based on number of students allocated to project18:34
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Stskeepslo meiz18:40
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StskeepsMeizirkki: you say boottime.kmap.gz adds something, could you verify if that happens for mer too?18:41
Meizirkki??18:42
Stskeepsyou said the other evening that the kmap.gz takes a slice off the boot time in ubuntu?18:42
Meizirkkii only said it takes a long time when Mer sets up the keymap at early boot18:42
Stskeepshmm, ok18:43
Stskeepsso it helps with the kmap.gz?18:43
Meizirkkii don't know, sorry18:43
Stskeepsk18:43
Stskeepscan you test? looks trivial :)18:43
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Stskeepsjust drop the ubuntu kmap.gz in, shouldn't matter on the X kb18:44
MeizirkkiokAY18:44
Meizirkkithat keymap is in /etc right?18:44
Stskeepshmm, good question18:46
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Stskeeps /etc/console-setup/boottime.kmap.gz18:47
Meizirkkiyep18:47
Meizirkkithanks18:47
Meizirkkican i copy it over from x86 ?18:47
Meizirkkito my tablet18:47
Stskeepsyea, or just http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=254257&postcount=218:48
Stskeepsthe attachment18:48
Meizirkkiok18:48
Stskeepsi think what might help ubuntu but i believe does actually trash most of the setups in the long run, is the use of insserv18:49
Stskeepsand concurrency18:49
* Meizirkki notices, that b-mans boottime.kmap is a clone of deblet-xmodmap18:50
Stskeepsheh, never knew we had a boottime.kmap.gz18:50
Meizirkkikmap in mer is a HUGE mess comparing to the xmodmap-clone...18:51
Stskeepsthere's actually one in /etc/console-setup?18:52
Meizirkkiyes18:52
Stskeepsyeah, i see it now18:52
Stskeepsmust be console-setup setting it up18:52
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Meizirkkiyay, mer boots now in 40sec!18:57
Meizirkkion n81018:57
Stskeepsthat's interesting18:57
Meizirkkii have blank file as a boottime.knap18:57
Meizirkkis/nap/map/18:57
infobotMeizirkki meant: i have blank file as a boottime.kmap18:57
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Meizirkkiwell, it still takes 50 sec before hildon is loaded, but the BSOM (Blue Screen Of Mer) takes about 40 sec18:59
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Plastunis anybody think that maemo alarm should be improved?19:00
MeizirkkiStskeeps, Even if the keymap file is blank, n 810 hw-keyboard still acts normally in console19:00
Stskeepseven with Fn?19:01
Meizirkkisec19:01
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Stskeeps(i doubt it), but good to know it improves boot19:03
MeizirkkiStskeeps, Fn key isn't working in the framebuffer console, but it never worked before, so...19:03
Stskeepsyeah19:04
MeizirkkiFn is, of course, still working in X19:04
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Stskeepsapplied your trick to the imager, we'll see how big an effect it has on the testing images i guess19:06
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Meizirkkiok19:06
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GeneralAntillesandre__, fun comments. ;)19:26
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ukkiGeneralAntilles: hehe, you kinda missed my point, i really have nothing against extras, quite the opposite19:32
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GeneralAntillesukki, harsh words on the wiki.19:34
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ukkitrue, but there's not much i can do about it19:40
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lcukhi VDVsx \o hows gsoc management going20:03
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VDVsxlcuk, hello, fine, I think :P20:04
lcukgood good, i started to read and review some of the student proposals20:04
Atrus6Anything good?20:04
lcukthe liqbase one catches my eye so far ;)20:05
lcukVDVsx, has lardman got himself involved as a mentor?20:05
VDVsxlcuk, no20:05
lcukshame, is it too late for him to get involved, cos barcode needs wrangling20:06
Atrus6Really, that's what I was interested in20:06
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VDVsxlcuk, it should be backup mentor, but don't sign in yet20:06
lcukyeah theres a lot of interest in the barcode stuff20:06
lcukit should be ? or he should be?20:06
Atrus6Darn competition20:07
VDVsx*he :P20:07
lcukAtrus6, competition? lardman is in the right place to be a mentor for barcode - what with him being the principle admin of the maemo barcode project20:08
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Atrus6I thought you meant lots of student interest.  Which would mean less of a chance of me getting in.20:09
VDVsxlcuk, he talked to me about it, but he was affraid that can have enough time for mentoring, he have some family stuff to do in the summer20:09
lcuktheres quite a few student proposals20:09
lcukyeah he does20:09
lcukid forgotten about that20:09
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Atrus6lcuk, what would make a proposal stand out in your eyes?20:23
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vasily_pupkinhi!20:25
vasily_pupkinanybody use powerlaunch?20:25
qwerty12Only in Mer...20:25
vasily_pupkini try to use it for wmctrl fullscreen20:26
qwerty12And you have wmctrl installed? That part works for me in Mer.20:26
vasily_pupkinpowerlaunch is quite strange thing..20:26
vasily_pupkini have it installed20:26
vasily_pupkinbut i don't understand how can i enable it (=20:26
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qwerty12Press the power button and go to its calendar interface and hit the fullscreen button20:27
vasily_pupkin??20:27
vasily_pupkincalendar?20:27
vasily_pupkini have simple menu, like mce20:27
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qwerty12Er, yes: http://powerlaunch.garage.maemo.org/powerlaunch1.png20:28
vasily_pupkinhm20:28
vasily_pupkini don't have this20:28
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vasily_pupkinqwerty12_N800: does powerlaunch use mce config?20:35
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vasily_pupkinhm. it's buggy20:44
RST38hqwerty: Is PowerLaunch becoming the little bootup OS now? :)20:45
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vasily_pupkinlock button don't lock powerbutton20:46
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vasily_pupkinhm. powerlaunch isn't usable at all20:49
vasily_pupkinat least by default20:50
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andre__GeneralAntilles: ?20:50
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andre__ah, blog entries. yeah yeah :)20:50
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GeneralAntillesandre__, Matan's comment on the blog.20:50
GeneralAntillesBig, giant :rolleyes:. ;)20:50
andre__shrug20:50
GeneralAntillesJaffa, wish there were Thanks! buttons on the lists.20:51
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* RST38h preparing to install Ubuntu20:54
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konttori_does anyone have spotify invitations?20:56
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qwerty12_N800RST38h: its complexity have caused some to call it a programming lang. :P20:59
qwerty12_N800s/have/has/20:59
infobotqwerty12_N800 meant: RST38h: its complexity has caused some to call it a programming lang. :P20:59
andre__GeneralAntilles, I can also comment on my blog in that style :-P20:59
RST38hqwerty: Someone should make it scriptable in Ruby21:00
qwerty12_N800hehe21:00
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lcukAtrus6, it has to include details about fund transfer using a side channel ;)21:04
JaffaGeneralAntilles: :)21:04
vasily_pupkinanybody know, how to bind own global hotkeys? :]21:05
Atrus6lcuk, I head that Nigeria specializes in things like that, I should do some research ^^21:05
lcuklol21:06
suihkulokkikonttori_: spotify is a windows application..21:06
konttori_not for osx?21:07
lcukAtrus6, as a student be honest with your goals and find a project that you believe in - theres no point in stressing for months over the summer for something you hate21:07
konttori_suihkulokki: it runs under wine in linux21:07
Stskeepsthere's also despotify21:07
qwerty12_N800suihkulokki: there's a reversed open source client somewhere21:07
konttori_vasily_pupkin: by exiting the x configuration files?21:07
konttori_eh. editing21:07
* konttori_ types really badly today21:08
vasily_pupkinhm21:08
vasily_pupkinkonttori_: where can i find some examples?21:08
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Atrus6lcuk, easy enough I suppose.  Not as good as mind control, but, I'll take it ^^21:10
konttori_sorry, I cannot remember where it is stored in.21:10
konttori_perhaps someone else does.21:10
lcukAtrus6, what have you got in mind?21:10
lcukhiya konttori_ btw \o21:11
konttori_hi21:11
lcuki see the mafw is creeping out, are you changing ukmp to it?21:12
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konttori_lcuk: Let's see. To be honest, I would just use tracker directly to locate the content.21:15
konttori_well, local content21:16
konttori_I see MAFWs value in that it abstracts the online content sources under one envelope.21:16
lcukthe mafw will use tracker in the mackend wont it?21:16
konttori_I am not terribly convinced that it is good for the local content21:16
konttori_lcuk: it does.21:16
konttori_but, at the same time, it's an unnecessary middleman in many cases21:17
lcukit abstracts the media player so that you have a system wide shared playlist so no matter what app you use its all done together and in harmony21:17
lcukand no one app leads the arms race :)21:17
konttori_and does not expose the full power of tracker to the apps21:17
lcukit doesnt need to does it?21:17
konttori_lcuk: osso-media-server had the same playlist model21:17
konttori_it's not a new one21:17
konttori_(as it happens, I did port ukmp to that, but I haven't published it)21:17
lcukno, but this was advertised as "one player to bind them"21:17
konttori_sure, well, it's ideologically built on the foundation of osso-media-serv.21:18
konttori_anyway, I do applaud the online aspect.21:18
lcukseeing how canola is now out it would be interesting to see how easy it would be to slide in the mafw backend to a nice canola front21:18
Atrus6lcuk, Well, from what I understand, there isn't all that much with the barcode implemented, so my thoughts would be to start simple, and design an app that could read in a barcode from a picture, search for the product, and return usable information.21:18
lcukor a liqbase one :D21:18
Atrus6Similar to the CompareEverywhere21:19
lcukAtrus6, i think part of the barcode specification is to study and implement the barcode using a library format, theres lots of apps which could benefit from barcode analysis21:19
* lcuk also has barcode entry points ;)21:20
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lcukkonttori_, a lot of people are pleased to see it supports mplayer in the background, such a strong history on that app and lots of work towards optimization makes it first choice for lots of stuff21:22
lcukballsack!21:22
Atrus6lcuk, Well, a key part of my app idea would be retrieving information from the barcode21:23
lcukyeah Atrus6 - thats kinda the point of scannign the barcode in the first palce :P21:24
lcuknot much point if you DONT retrieve the info :D21:24
lcukmy typing has gone to pot!21:24
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qwerty12_N800Let its memory rest forever in the logs ;)21:25
Atrus6lcuk, I know lol, I was really tempted to put an "obviously" at the end of that statement21:25
sidneinot good. i did the whole reinstall of jaunty on my n810 and it still hangs at like 98% during boot21:25
RST38hAnd now for the fun part: Ubuntu installer does not know anything about wifi21:25
lcukAtrus6, theres been lots of discussion about the barcode app over the recent months and ive seen people perk up at all different aspects of it21:26
qwerty12_N800RST38h: Meh, count yourself lucky that,  you don't need to use ndiswrapper21:26
* RST38h would rather sit without networking than use an abomination like that21:27
Atrus6lcuk, so it would be better to focus on making/improving an barcode scanner rather then an okay scanner + app?21:28
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lcukAtrus6, with a good core scanner library in place you can make 100s of apps to use it21:30
lcukeach tailored to whats required and made to slot in with existing stuff - but if you make a single decent app you will never make everyone happy21:30
lcuksome folks might just need the scanner to tick off pre-existing items on a list21:31
lcukothers might want to buy books21:31
RST38hhttp://i.gizmodo.com/5157183/top-gear-america-to-build-70mpg-car-out-of-a-1971-vw-rabbit-for-700021:31
lcuksome might just want to store the history in a stream21:31
RST38hHehe21:31
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Atrus6lcuk, Okay, that helps.  A nice simple, well-doced library seems to be a better path, then a not so well doced but still pretty app ^^21:34
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sidneioh, looks like sys-env-x is not enough, *a* desktop environment is required21:35
lcukAtrus6, you can build you nice pretty app along side the library to prove the concept of the library and to test the different aspects of it21:36
Stskeepssidnei: truth must be said, at least mer is a drop-in installation, no fuss21:36
* Stskeeps likes his mer images.21:36
sidneiStskeeps: you're too biased :)21:36
lcukno hes not, just wait until hes had more to drink21:37
Atrus6lcuk, but focus on building a good library, which in hindsight is kinda obvious21:37
Stskeepssidnei: maybe, but then again i also have experience :P i had ubuntu running back in summer 2008 and meiz was playing with it way before it21:37
lcukyeah Atrus6 but its something that is easily forgotten when you start an app.21:37
Stskeepslast it = before b-man's ubuntu posts21:37
lcuki wish i had started with the library, but i didnt know enough back then21:37
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sidneiStskeeps: i see. so mer is based on ubuntu or on debian or maemo?21:38
* lcuk didnt even know how to link stuff21:38
Stskeepssidnei: good question, on x86 and armv5te devices, it's ubuntu based21:38
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Stskeepsbut for the neo freerunner (armv4t) it would be debian based21:39
RST38hAll righty, the coast is clear, lets grub the ether cable and install!21:40
sidneiStskeeps: nice. more specifically, im looking into testing the landscape-client package from the ubuntu repo, i don't really care if it's jaunty or mer, as long as i can get the the package and it's deps going.21:40
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RST38h(if I do not return it means that the Ubuntu Installer has fucked up my machine completely)21:40
StskeepsRST38h: good luck!21:40
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Stskeepssidnei: you could probably do that with easy ubuntu though21:41
sidneiStskeeps: "EasyUbuntu works on (X/K)ubuntu and on all the three architectures (x86, AMD64 and PPC)."21:42
Stskeepssidnei: ah, no, easy ubuntu from qole, it's kinda like his easy debian, it's basically a chroot ubuntu21:42
sidneiStskeeps: i see.21:43
Stskeepsbut not sure if that suits your needs21:43
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sidneiStskeeps: it might not :) this is the last chance im giving to b-man's instructions ;)21:45
sidneiStskeeps: if that doesn't work i guess i will try mer21:45
Stskeepsotherwise, give mer a quick try, and prod me if there's something blocking your use21:45
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RST38hBUT! I have the old laptop as well! =)21:48
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lcukRST38h, does your underground lair have a nice view and decent wifi coverage?21:59
RST38hlcuk: "yes" on the first, "not yet" on the second, due to too many pesky humans around with their wifi aps22:00
RST38hlcuk: But that, of course, is gonna improve once I get a hold of 5kg of U235 and a sturdy titanium tube... =)22:01
lcukyou need to crank the power up on yours22:01
lcuknahhh those sort of things end badly, you jsut need normal electricity22:01
* lcuk was hit in the face by a door a few minutes ago and has a big cut on his ribs and a sore forehead :S22:02
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Atrus6...I see the sore forehead, but the ribs?22:03
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lcukwhen i fell after smacking into the door and knocking my specs off i fell onto the door catch nobble on the jam and it scraped down - ripped t as well damn22:04
Atrus6Ah.  That seems to be the sign of a bad day.22:04
lcukits the end of a very long week :)22:05
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lcukAtrus6, http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/27/175222322:05
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lcuki think i need to sit back this evening and watch movies22:06
* Stskeeps is considering to watch 'Blindness'22:07
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lcuki started to re-watch babylon 5 (after seeing an advert on virgin tv)22:07
* lcuk has every episode :)22:07
Stskeepsoh fuck, it's hailing outside and i should put stuff in drier22:07
Stskeepsso lovely.22:07
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lcukthat weather is meant to be heading our way as well22:08
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lcukquick Stskeeps but your heating on, make it warmer22:08
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X-FadeA few more days of rain and then it seems spring is coming ;)22:08
Stskeeps(finally)22:09
X-Fadeindeed.22:09
lcukX-Fade, if the snow comes back here it will feel like we had a whole year in just a month!22:09
Stskeepsit jumps like -3, 8, 10, -2, 12, 12 here22:09
X-FadeBut combined with DST it seems that I finally get my evenings back ;)22:09
Atrus6lcuk, heh that's actually clever.  Never though of something like that.22:10
lcukAtrus6, thats my point :)22:11
Stskeepslcuk: some claim denmark is the place you can go through all 4 seasons in a day..22:11
lcukwith a library it lowers the barrier of entry for people to come in and bring excellent ideas to life22:11
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StskeepsRST38h: after the zombies took over the UK, they never sleep..22:12
qwerty12_N800only 8 here ;)22:12
X-FadeHmmm after a full day of hacking on Downloads, it finally looks like the new styling is starting to look like something..22:12
Atrus6hmm, I think that the title of my proposal should be "Amazing Barcode Scanner of Amazingness, that is Amazing"22:12
RST38hSts: If you mean lcuk, somebody is certainly trying to kill him off with a door =)22:12
Atrus6that's irresistible22:13
lcuk"badass-barcode-bit-of-brilliance22:13
RST38hqwerty: It is 20:13 Friday night, I do certainly hope that no self respecting British gentleman will allow himself be caught installing Ubuntu Linux at such a special time of the week! =)22:14
* lcuk isnt self respecting22:14
lcukbut because you are advertising it i just got it downloading :P22:14
qwerty12_N800RST38h: lol, maybe they went out while downloading? :P22:15
lcukmy ribs really hurt22:15
* qwerty12_N800 throws lcuk an ice pack/bag of frozen chips22:15
lcukamd?22:16
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RST38hqwerty: Actually, I was right, UK server was really fast and didn't time out like the US one22:20
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qwerty12_N800Bah! My plan to slow down the GB server failed22:21
lcukqwerty12_N800, you need more than aol dialup to bring down a server22:22
lcukRST38h, most likely the transatlantic/pacific link you are skipping ;)22:22
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lcukfriday evening is a busy time for the net22:22
qwerty12_N800aol dialup is the only thing northerners know, we in the south have broadband and some other shit22:23
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lcuklol qwerty12_N800 i have cable :)22:23
RST38hqwerty: So, either it is a bigger pipe or everyone is in the pubs22:24
RST38hlcuk: Not skipping a thing, I am in the US right now :)22:24
lcuklololololol22:24
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lcukthen everyone is in the pubs :D22:25
qwerty12_N800lcuk: yeah, i had analogue cable 10 years ago. cable & wireless bastards were testing digital in Oldham first, rather than London :P22:25
lcukheh, fibre to the box just over there22:25
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sidneiStskeeps: do you know something about a missing gdm.conf.template in tablet-gdm-autologin?22:26
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Stskeepssidnei: must admit it's over 7 months since i dealt with the deblet packages yet22:26
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RST38hlcuk: In the process of moving from the old cardiac arrest prone R100 to the R50022:28
lcuk?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R10022:29
RST38hlcuk: yea, that's it! =)22:30
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sidneioh, cool i got a gdm22:35
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fireunhttp://oobject.com/home/news/hermes-designing-electronic-organizer-with-cutting-edge-flixible-oled-touchscreen/7526/22:45
fireunyes please22:45
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RST38hfireun: A flexible OLED touchscreen like this will have a halflife of about a week.22:51
fireunwell if it only costs 5$22:52
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RST38hno, it will not cost $5 :)22:52
fireunthen it will just have to last longer than a week22:52
RST38hmore like $50 apiece for the touchscreen alone22:52
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RST38hthe current ones won't22:53
RST38hhell, even a flexible see-through LCD won't last long22:53
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RST38hhttp://hinamizawa198x.hp.infoseek.co.jp/images/photo/JK4U0018.jpg23:15
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Stskeepswtf? :P23:16
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RST38hSts: Seems to be a bunch of Japanese roleplayers reenacting WWII23:17
RST38hBut yes, "wtf" is probably the only legitimate response23:17
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