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| * b-man compiles more packages for his N8x0 port of LFS (Linux From Scratch) | 00:31 | |
| Macer | damn. it's been almost 4 days and i am still sick | 00:31 |
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| b-man | hmm :P | 00:31 |
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| Macer | why make a lfs port? heh | 00:32 |
| Macer | for that you should make a gentoo port if they even have an arm portage tree | 00:33 |
| b-man | there allrety is a gentoo port | 00:33 |
| Macer | wow really? | 00:34 |
| b-man | yup, i'll get a link | 00:34 |
| Macer | i just don't see the reasoning behind lfs for any system actually | 00:34 |
| b-man | to make a new linux distribution :) | 00:34 |
| Macer | well. other than that ;) | 00:34 |
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| * b-man is calling his new distribution BlueStar | 00:34 | |
| Macer | but why would you need lfs for that? you can just boot a kernel and start it from scratch by yourself | 00:35 |
| Macer | doesn't mer use a blue star for its icon? | 00:35 |
| b-man | nope | 00:35 |
| Macer | you sure? i could have sworn it did :) or at least something that looked similar to a blue star | 00:36 |
| b-man | and i'm using lfs as a base to build on | 00:36 |
| b-man | it's a vertical line of bubbles :) | 00:36 |
| Macer | why don't you call it helios or something? | 00:37 |
| Macer | or is that already taken? :) | 00:37 |
| b-man | ...probibly | 00:37 |
| * b-man could not think of a better name that wasn't allrety taken | 00:38 | |
| Macer | HeliOS, a Unix-like computer operating system | 00:38 |
| Macer | yeah.. guess it is :) | 00:38 |
| Macer | sounds like something sun would make heh | 00:38 |
| b-man | lol | 00:38 |
| * b-man is still open to names though ;) | 00:39 | |
| thresh | AUD, Another Useless Distro | 00:39 |
| b-man | lol | 00:39 |
| Macer | haha | 00:39 |
| b-man | POS linux XD | 00:40 |
| Macer | yeah... there are too many distros | 00:40 |
| Macer | it's getting rather sickening :) | 00:40 |
| * b-man also wants to try a different packaging system | 00:41 | |
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| b-man | that's just as good as apt | 00:41 |
| b-man | and dpkg | 00:42 |
| thresh | uhm, apt? | 00:42 |
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| b-man | apt - "advanced packaging system" | 00:43 |
| b-man | re: advanced package tool :P | 00:43 |
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| * b-man is determined to make his owh operating system for embedded devices - e.g. the nit's | 00:45 | |
| b-man | *own | 00:45 |
| b-man | i allrety have a semi-functional system :) | 00:46 |
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| b-man | Macer: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26325 - gentoo thread | 00:51 |
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| infobot | xnt <n=xnt@pool-96-232-136-40.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23h 43m 18s ago, saying: ':P'. | 00:54 |
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| infobot | b-man is currently on #maemo (32m 43s). Has said a total of 19 messages. Is idling for 3m 49s, last said: '~seen xnt'. | 00:58 |
| lcuk | ~seen infobot | 00:58 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'infobot', lcuk | 00:58 |
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| lbt | qwerty12_N800: echo 4096 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_add <--- what's that about? I just got mmap: permission denied... | 01:05 |
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| bef0rd | you need root access | 01:06 |
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| lbt | bef0rd: it's working now :) I just wasn't sure why it is needed | 01:06 |
| lbt | (and it's echo 4096 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr with an extra 'r' ) | 01:07 |
| bef0rd | I don't remember exactly, but I think its somehow a security protection | 01:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lbt: you only need to do it if you find configure scripts, for example, failing one of its tests | 01:07 |
| lbt | gnuton: I'm trying to merge my scroller with qabstractscrollarea .... :D | 01:08 |
| lbt | it was a compile during the build of Qt | 01:08 |
| lbt | I've not seen it before ... anyhow, thanks for the iTT post last year ;) | 01:09 |
| gnuton | lbt: :D have you tried the Ariya code? | 01:10 |
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| gnuton | lbt: it needs some fixes. :( Last night I improved it a bit and I extended it to the QTextBrowser | 01:11 |
| lbt | not yet - but I don't think it will work if the user has done scrollBar.setRange() | 01:11 |
| gnuton | s | 01:11 |
| lbt | I wanted to try my approach - which manages children | 01:11 |
| lbt | and compile the demos | 01:11 |
| lbt | and designer | 01:11 |
| lbt | and if that works... :) | 01:11 |
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| lbt | then it appears for everything | 01:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lbt: There's better ways than what's described in that post. I use a sysctl conf for the mmap thing & vdso=0 in my kernel params | 01:12 |
| lbt | qwerty12_N800: I've not needed it before and I've built all of Qt recently | 01:13 |
| lbt | so I wondered why it appeared all of a sudden | 01:13 |
| gnuton | lbt: okay:D | 01:13 |
| gnuton | I'm very tired.. good night folks | 01:14 |
| gnuton | nite lbt | 01:14 |
| lbt | gnuton: mine is a fair bit heavier (maybe x2) - but I think it handles more corner cases | 01:14 |
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| thiagoss | Hello, I've been wondering, is there any good calendar application for maemo? Integrated with google calendar, providing alarms and a ToDo list? | 01:20 |
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| x29a | thiagoss: did you try the gpe calendar? | 01:20 |
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| thiagoss | x29a: I've seen its site, but haven't tested (my n810 isn't here) | 01:21 |
| x29a | i didnt test it either but i came across it and maybe its what you are looking for | 01:22 |
| thiagoss | x29a: there's also mCalendar. That seems promising. I'll give them a shot :-) | 01:22 |
| * lcuk is making a personal calendar | 01:23 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | A picture of the North's scenery for each month? I'll pass. :P | 01:24 |
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| lcuk | heh i dont need no stinking background (but others might) | 01:24 |
| lcuk | i want my squiggles and notes | 01:24 |
| lcuk | just like a real calender | 01:24 |
| lcuk | i want it to be on all the machines i use :) | 01:25 |
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| C0D3R3D | ey | 02:16 |
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| xnt | brb | 02:17 |
| * xnt is having a nightmare of a time installing ubuntu back onto his eeePC (Installed XP on my eee for fun) | 02:18 | |
| xnt | this thing won't boot off of my usb :P | 02:18 |
| * xnt is heading towards #ubuntu :P | 02:18 | |
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| Macer | hm | 06:35 |
| Lanza | hm | 06:36 |
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| Macer | hi | 06:38 |
| Lanza | hello | 06:38 |
| jaem | hey | 06:38 |
| Macer | mer .0000000011 out yet? | 06:38 |
| jaem | Macer: you're a few orders of magnitude off, and no | 06:39 |
| jaem | :P | 06:39 |
| Macer | heh | 06:39 |
| jaem | I'm just upgrading my 0.9 install to the latest pkgs | 06:39 |
| Pavlov | anyone ever built swfdec or gnash in scratchbox? | 06:39 |
| Pavlov | or for the n810 in general? | 06:39 |
| jaem | but it's annoying, because the onboard flash doesn't have enough room to do all the updates at once :S | 06:40 |
| jaem | for the apt cache, that is | 06:40 |
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| zakkm | Did Nokia at all specify a rough estimate for rx-51 pricing? | 07:24 |
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| Shadow__X | anyone having issues with xmms | 07:41 |
| Shadow__X | that it plays the song but doesnt show current track info such as playing time | 07:41 |
| zakkm | Shadow_X: never used xmms on nit, sorry | 07:43 |
| Shadow__X | hmm | 07:45 |
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| TehRoger | I have a question about installing the operating system to an sd card, can someone help me? | 07:46 |
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| Shadow__X | TehRoger, internettablettalk.com should help there is an article about pb | 07:47 |
| Shadow__X | also | 07:48 |
| Shadow__X | http://tablethacker.com/wp/?p=12&lang=en-us | 07:48 |
| Shadow__X | there are many ways either you issue the commands or find an app that does it for you | 07:48 |
| TehRoger | I don't need help on the process, really. I just wanted to know why the different partitions. | 07:49 |
| Shadow__X | what do you mean | 07:50 |
| Shadow__X | swap helps because tablet doesnt have alot of ram | 07:50 |
| zakkm | TehRoger: cloning to sd? | 07:50 |
| Shadow__X | fat for continued access to the memory card in file manager and such for storage | 07:50 |
| Shadow__X | ext2 or ext3 for the boot | 07:50 |
| zakkm | ext3 = filemanager. too | 07:51 |
| zakkm | fat = for pc adding files / backup purposes | 07:51 |
| zakkm | swap for virtual memory | 07:51 |
| zakkm | and ext3 for the OS | 07:51 |
| Shadow__X | yeah but you dont really need a big fat part | 07:51 |
| Shadow__X | you could rysync everything | 07:52 |
| zakkm | TehRoger: you want help with it, doing it myself | 07:52 |
| Shadow__X | or something | 07:52 |
| zakkm | Shadow_X: not if you use windows on desktop. | 07:52 |
| TehRoger | when applications are installed, they're installed to ex3? | 07:52 |
| zakkm | would make it more work | 07:52 |
| TehRoger | ext3* | 07:52 |
| zakkm | yes | 07:52 |
| zakkm | everything is installed to ext3 partition | 07:52 |
| Shadow__X | the n810 is geared towards enthusiasts install linux | 07:52 |
| zakkm | fat = backup / only one shown on windows computer when connect nokia to pc | 07:52 |
| Shadow__X | :) | 07:52 |
| TehRoger | that's what I thought, I was just confused as to why there was a fat partition | 07:52 |
| zakkm | and swap .. you cant do any storage stuff with it | 07:52 |
| tank-man | TehRoger, your choice of filesystem type | 07:53 |
| TehRoger | and thanks | 07:53 |
| zakkm | TehRoger: its for windows connectivity, doesnt have to be fat.. but for guide purposes its good they said it | 07:53 |
| zakkm | otherwise ppl would be like why cant i see memory card when attach to my windows pc :D | 07:53 |
| TehRoger | I understand now | 07:53 |
| zakkm | TehRoger: need help with procedure? in midst of doing it myself | 07:54 |
| TehRoger | eh, not really. I just wanted to know what the far patition was before I started in case I didn't need it | 07:55 |
| TehRoger | fat* | 07:56 |
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| TehRoger | Thanks guys, good night | 08:04 |
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| zakkm | where can i find "/etc/apt/sources.list" for maemo? | 08:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | what do you mean? | 08:39 |
| timeless_mbp | maemo is not monolithic | 08:39 |
| timeless_mbp | repository.maemo.org hosts 5 major versions and a number of minor versions | 08:39 |
| timeless_mbp | plus differences between levels of package quality | 08:40 |
| timeless_mbp | tableteer.nokia.com hosts a similar range | 08:40 |
| zakkm | no | 08:40 |
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| zakkm | the text file where all the repositories are listed | 08:40 |
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| zakkm | timeless_mbp: just the text file where the repositories are listed | 08:41 |
| timeless_mbp | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | 08:41 |
| timeless_mbp | you might consider reading the apt man pages (they're available online) | 08:41 |
| zakkm | no just used to /etc/apt/sources.list | 08:42 |
| zakkm | perfecttt :D | 08:43 |
| zakkm | thank you | 08:43 |
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| Meiz_n810 | ?? | 08:58 |
| Meiz_n810 | i didn't know that there's plasma designed for mid | 08:58 |
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| zakkm | is it "bad" to use os2006/07 on a n800? | 09:00 |
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| tank-man | use what ever you want, you have choices | 09:05 |
| tank-man | zakkm, do you have a reason not to update? | 09:05 |
| zakkm | like older os version looks | 09:05 |
| tank-man | you mean the wallpaper/background image ? | 09:06 |
| zakkm | the theme itself | 09:06 |
| zakkm | gtk theme | 09:06 |
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| Macer | mystique for android is an awesome game | 09:20 |
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| zakkm | Macer: nitdroid? | 09:21 |
| Macer | no. g1 | 09:21 |
| Macer | was going to try mer .11 | 09:22 |
| zakkm | is it out? | 09:22 |
| Macer | no | 09:22 |
| zakkm | how were you going to try it then | 09:22 |
| Macer | if it is good i will use that but if not i will try nitdroid | 09:22 |
| Macer | when it comes out | 09:23 |
| zakkm | nitdroid is terrible unless on n810 ;p | 09:23 |
| Macer | yah? | 09:23 |
| Macer | because of qwerty? | 09:23 |
| zakkm | yeah | 09:23 |
| zakkm | onscreen keyboard crashes alot / doesnt do backspace properly and all | 09:23 |
| Macer | damn. have n800 | 09:23 |
| Macer | hm. when is the last time you used it? | 09:24 |
| zakkm | 0.4.2 i believe | 09:24 |
| zakkm | update doesnt change much though | 09:24 |
| adityav | hi, i am trying to build enlightment libs. I have the svn checkout. However, when i try to build the python bindings ( in BINDINGS/python) i am getting this error. | 09:25 |
| Macer | well. i suppose it has to follow the android branch | 09:25 |
| adityav | sudo ./build-all.sh --installdir='/usr' | 09:26 |
| adityav | Install to --installdir=/usr | 09:26 |
| adityav | running develop | 09:26 |
| adityav | Checking .pth file support in --installdir=/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages | 09:26 |
| adityav | error: can't create or remove files in install directory | 09:26 |
| adityav | The following error occurred while trying to add or remove files in the | 09:26 |
| adityav | installation directory: | 09:26 |
| adityav | [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '--installdir=/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/test-easy-install-10382.pth' | 09:26 |
| adityav | The installation directory you specified (via --install-dir, --prefix, or | 09:26 |
| adityav | the distutils default setting) was: | 09:26 |
| adityav | --installdir=/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages | 09:26 |
| adityav | This directory does not currently exist. Please create it and try again, or | 09:26 |
| adityav | choose a different installation directory (using the -d or --install-dir | 09:26 |
| zakkm | .... | 09:26 |
| adityav | option). | 09:26 |
| adityav | ERROR: failed to build python-evas | 09:26 |
| adityav | please help | 09:26 |
| Macer | dude | 09:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | WTF | 09:26 |
| zakkm | directory does not exist? s o make it | 09:26 |
| Macer | pasting all that... | 09:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ~pastebin | 09:26 |
| zakkm | and dont flood :D | 09:26 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste | 09:26 |
| tank-man | pacman save us! | 09:26 |
| adityav | sorry | 09:26 |
| adityav | but the dir exists | 09:27 |
| zakkm | anyone know where wallpapers are stored? what directory in maemo | 09:28 |
| zakkm | adityav: get a better script ;p | 09:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | /usr/share/backgrounds | 09:29 |
| zakkm | sweet thank you qwerty12 | 09:29 |
| adityav | the script comes with the svn.. Shouldn't it work? | 09:29 |
| zakkm | is it a maemo script? | 09:30 |
| zakkm | like a script for maemo? | 09:30 |
| zakkm | or mer? | 09:30 |
| adityav | EFL | 09:30 |
| adityav | enlightment foundation lib | 09:30 |
| zakkm | you should look at neatojones script for that ;p | 09:31 |
| zakkm | see if soemthing was changed to get it to work | 09:31 |
| zakkm | Tear browser is awesomeee :P just installed for first time | 09:31 |
| slonopotamus | adityav, why you're not using easy_install or official release of whatever you're building? | 09:31 |
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| adityav | i am trying to get the svn version of canola working, it requires EFL DR17. | 09:33 |
| slonopotamus | oh | 09:35 |
| zakkm | what you guys use for maemo wallpaper? | 09:37 |
| tank-man | default | 09:37 |
| tank-man | keep it simple :) | 09:38 |
| * slonopotamus uses no wallpaper | 09:38 | |
| slonopotamus | it eats ram :P | 09:39 |
| zakkm | slonopotamus: let me guess, mer with ratpoison? :P | 09:39 |
| slonopotamus | zakkm, missed. gentoo ;) | 09:40 |
| zakkm | i meant on nokia | 09:40 |
| zakkm | not desktop. | 09:40 |
| zakkm | on desktop ive used gentoo myself for about a year and a half | 09:40 |
| zakkm | then went to mac osx, never went back ;d | 09:41 |
| slonopotamus | i understood what you meant | 09:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | zakkm: os2006 shouldn't actually run on an n800 | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | (nor should os2005 for that matter) | 09:41 |
| zakkm | ohh 2007 then ;p | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i suppose it depends on your definition of bad | 09:42 |
| slonopotamus | 32 bit 800x480 image eats 1.5mb ram. | 09:42 |
| zakkm | performance. | 09:42 |
| zakkm | lol | 09:42 |
| zakkm | 1.5mb is nothing ;p | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | if you file a bug based on 2007, i'll pay someone to attack you w/ an old trout | 09:42 |
| zakkm | and slonopotamus: it would be LFS, not gentoo ;p | 09:42 |
| slonopotamus | zakkhm, out of 128 - not nothing. | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Some version of os2008 included CPU frequency support | 09:43 |
| timeless_mbp | so technically your performance on os2007 can't be as fast as os2008 | 09:43 |
| zakkm | 1.5 out of 128 is nothing | 09:44 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, echo 'performance' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor (and say goodbye to battery)? | 09:44 |
| zakkm | so much stuff takes way more | 09:44 |
| zakkm | ? | 09:44 |
| zakkm | you can always set performance | 09:44 |
| zakkm | liqbase lets you | 09:44 |
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| qwerty12 | cpufreq != opmode | 09:44 |
| zakkm | ? | 09:45 |
| timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: the scaling is needed to jump between 400mhz and the one lower | 09:45 |
| timeless_mbp | you can't use 400mhz w/ the DSP | 09:45 |
| timeless_mbp | or something like that | 09:45 |
| slonopotamus | wtf is opmode? | 09:45 |
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| slonopotamus | with what? | 09:45 |
| timeless_mbp | in theory i think you can fry your device if you do this stuff wrong :) | 09:46 |
| zakkm | what does "osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs" and systemui do? | 09:46 |
| slonopotamus | and what? don't mix theory and practice | 09:46 |
| timeless_mbp | zakkm: why do you ask? | 09:46 |
| slonopotamus | zakkm, eat ram. | 09:46 |
| qwerty12 | timeless_mbp, Yeah, Igor said that you'd most likely need to cold flash if you modify kernel to run cpu and dsp at same speed :) | 09:46 |
| timeless_mbp | zakkm: if you're going to ask about each package | 09:47 |
| timeless_mbp | someone should slap you now to save me the effort of reading and thinking it's worth answering | 09:47 |
| zakkm | lol | 09:47 |
| zakkm | not every package | 09:47 |
| zakkm | -.- | 09:47 |
| zakkm | i know most packages | 09:47 |
| timeless_mbp | just dozens? | 09:47 |
| zakkm | no just those two | 09:47 |
| timeless_mbp | well... you understand that if you try to use the browser it bothers you to pick a network connection | 09:48 |
| timeless_mbp | right? | 09:48 |
| zakkm | yes | 09:48 |
| timeless_mbp | where would you expect that to live? | 09:48 |
| zakkm | that should kill itself when your connected :D | 09:48 |
| zakkm | was taking 8mb ram ;p | 09:49 |
| timeless_mbp | (offhand, i don't recall where "too many apps are open, please close one" lives) | 09:49 |
| timeless_mbp | ram? or vm? | 09:49 |
| zakkm | ram | 09:49 |
| slonopotamus | both | 09:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, if you don't want apps to work, you can replace that :) | 09:50 |
| zakkm | how much apps do you guys leave open? | 09:51 |
| timeless_mbp | browser. | 09:51 |
| timeless_mbp | maybe xterm | 09:51 |
| timeless_mbp | +sshd | 09:51 |
| timeless_mbp | rarely notes | 09:51 |
| zakkm | so small? | 09:52 |
| timeless_mbp | the browser can host replacements for just about everything else on the device :) | 09:52 |
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| hhahlo | hi, is there a now somekind of "official" ubuntu jaynty release for n8x0 tablets? heard rumors and tried to googled but found only itt version. | 10:04 |
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| zakkm | hhahlo: no official release | 10:07 |
| zakkm | itt version is from b-man.. also mer is built on it pretty much | 10:08 |
| zakkm | itt is maemo people. | 10:08 |
| hhahlo | zakkm: ok thanks | 10:08 |
| StsN801 | zakkm, it's reverse | 10:09 |
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| zakkm | i meant mer is built on ubuntu jaunty.. not b-man's.. | 10:09 |
| StsN801 | zakkm, ubuntu for n8x0 is based on deblet and mer packages | 10:09 |
| zakkm | yeah | 10:09 |
| zakkm | but mer is built on ubuntu jaunty isnt it? | 10:10 |
| zakkm | like official ubuntu jaunty | 10:10 |
| StsN801 | k | 10:10 |
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| zakkm | and then b-man's is built on mer | 10:10 |
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| zakkm | i thought that was it? | 10:10 |
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| zakkm | just discovered Tear browser :D | 10:10 |
| StsN801 | yeah | 10:11 |
| zakkm | Sts: you think since canola is open now, there will be alot of forks / improvements? | 10:11 |
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| hhahlo | don't know why rumors that canonical made and nokia sponsored ubuntu tablet | 10:14 |
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| zakkm | hhahlo: they came out with ARM ubuntu | 10:14 |
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| zakkm | "couldnt" of done it otherwise | 10:15 |
| zakkm | hhahlo: did you just get your tablet? | 10:15 |
| hhahlo | zakkm: no, just try to keep up software | 10:16 |
| hhahlo | tried deblet mer nitroid | 10:16 |
| zakkm | might as well just install mer, and then gnome or something | 10:17 |
| zakkm | rather than the "ubuntu jaunty" guide | 10:17 |
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| wazd | hey everybody | 10:48 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:58 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah_: Buy me a shiny MacBook (or poke me to boot into my OSx86 partition at the weekend (and reset it up)) | 11:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | not really | 12:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woot Off's going fast today. | 13:54 |
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| rkirti | whois adityav | 14:22 |
| rkirti | ^^: errr. ooops. | 14:23 |
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| adityav | that would be me :) | 14:28 |
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| wazd | Back :) | 14:48 |
| StsN800 | wb | 14:48 |
| wazd | StsN800: http://s50.radikal.ru/i127/0903/88/8cb214adcf25.png | 14:48 |
| StsN800 | you never explained your concept did you? | 14:48 |
| StsN800 | hmm | 14:49 |
| StsN800 | possible | 14:49 |
| wazd | StsN800: sorry, had to leave mirc yesterday to help my friends immediately) | 14:49 |
| StsN800 | i did consider a full screen switcher | 14:49 |
| StsN800 | its fine, i was laying q | 14:49 |
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| StsN800 | with hard fever | 14:50 |
| lcuk | wazd, whats the notifier notifying downloads of? | 14:50 |
| StsN800 | torrents? ;p | 14:50 |
| wazd | well, I imagined this left zone as some pluginable status bar | 14:50 |
| wazd | Like maemo has one now but not only for emails | 14:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like the notification area, you mean? :P | 14:51 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: yea-yea | 14:51 |
| lcuk | the notification area is extremely difficult to put information in (apart from perhaps making a lemming dance simulator) | 14:51 |
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| wazd | If you'll have some downloading in your browser - it's status will be shown there | 14:52 |
| StsN800 | wazd, secondary home applets maybe? | 14:52 |
| lcuk | what happens when you then open a torrent app | 14:52 |
| lcuk | does it get merged in? | 14:52 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, how would I know that :P | 14:52 |
| lcuk | or if you start downloading emails? | 14:52 |
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| wazd | lcuk: their status will be added to the coloumn | 14:53 |
| wazd | lcuk: but who cares if it's impossible to do :) | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | no wazd, dont misinterpret me, i like it, i just want to see its limitations and practicalities | 14:53 |
| wazd | And I've got some new "close" button style. More mystic :) | 14:54 |
| lcuk | its the sort of stuff that right now just lives on desktop applets | 14:54 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, brower download progress surely does not live there :) | 14:55 |
| lcuk | "and on the maemo system to close an app you must pull the book in the centre of romantic novels 45 degrees whilst standing on the third shelf" | 14:55 |
| wazd | I thought "magic close" (is there any more sane name for this? :P ) | 14:56 |
| wazd | is good area for quick access | 14:56 |
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| lcuk | for specific downloads, my browser gets more action than torrents ever will | 14:56 |
| wazd | And I thought that tap-n-hold on magic (jeez) close for some configurable ammount of time would be great | 15:00 |
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| lcuk | wazd, what happens when you just tap the magic button | 15:04 |
| lcuk | i do gather this isnt the actual close button for applications - its the alt-tab button thats currently in bottom left of diablo? | 15:06 |
| lcuk | the same one that pops up when you press home key | 15:06 |
| StsN800 | yeah | 15:07 |
| lcuk | so you cannot close an app iwth a single tap anymore? or is this the magic that wazd is saying | 15:07 |
| lbt | I like the idea of a notification area fed by dbus... setMessageFraction("Downloading", 0.3) setMessageInt("New Mail", 12) | 15:08 |
| lcuk | +1lbt | 15:08 |
| lbt | theme the display (pie charts, bars) | 15:08 |
| lcuk | makes excellent use of the ipc framework | 15:08 |
| lcuk | several apps/widgets can listen and update information as required | 15:08 |
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| lcuk | whether gtk qt or liq* or anything besides :) | 15:09 |
| lbt | does gnome/kde have anything.... ubuntu/canonical had some bru-ha-ha on notifications from Mark a while back | 15:09 |
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| lbt | freedesktop has a Notifications interface | 15:09 |
| lbt | worth a look anyhow | 15:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's wrong with Hildon's notification? | 15:10 |
| lcuk | yeah agreed | 15:10 |
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| Mek | lbt: freedesktop doesn't have one, there is a third-party spec that abuses the freedesktop.org namespace :P | 15:11 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, its not the notification UI, its the way apps shout about their status | 15:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, yes, what's wrong with it. | 15:11 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: how often do you really really really want to close a window such that you aren't willing to tap twice? | 15:11 |
| timeless_mbp | and how often does your system respond so poorly that you might accidentally tap once | 15:12 |
| timeless_mbp | and how often do you want to undo an action | 15:12 |
| timeless_mbp | and most critically, how expensive is <undo close app> | 15:12 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, with hildon notifications they are simply displayed on the screen in one format, using the mechanism lbt just mentioned means different programs cal listen to those notifications and put that snippet into their ui whereever | 15:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, perhaps somebody should propose or put together a patch for the Hildon notification plugin, then. | 15:13 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, i didnt know a double click closed iit - i was was talking | 15:13 |
| timeless_mbp | given how lame the touch screens are | 15:13 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, it has been less than 5 minutes before its mentioned ;) | 15:13 |
| timeless_mbp | you really do not want to rely on double click for anything remotely destructive | 15:13 |
| lcuk | since it was ^ | 15:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, well, they way you're talking about it it sounded like you had worked up a strong argument against it. | 15:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/they/the/ | 15:14 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: lcuk, well, the way you're talking about it it sounded like you had worked up a strong argument against it. | 15:14 |
| lcuk | no gen, i worded it like i did because the hildon method is selfish and ONLY shows the information to hildon itself, the DBUS method is open and lets anyone listening react and respond to the events | 15:15 |
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| lcuk | ie hildon could listen for those events and show notifications just like it does now | 15:15 |
| lcuk | but at the same time wazds little menu could also listen | 15:16 |
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| wazd | lcuk: " so you cannot close an app iwth a single tap anymore?" - well, tap-n-hold feature can fix this) | 15:17 |
| lcuk | ;) so the difference between listing the apps to switch between them and actually closing the current one depends on how long you hold your finger down :P | 15:19 |
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| lcuk | vanishing anyway, bbl | 15:20 |
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| RST38h | Anyone knows why an XP laptop would click (as in system beep/click) randomly, every now and then? | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Page reload in browser. | 15:42 |
| RST38h | good idea, let us see | 15:42 |
| RST38h | no | 15:42 |
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| RST38h | "US federal eggheads have proposed a novel method of preventing biometric ID systems being spoofed by the use of such things as contact lenses, fake fingerprints etc. Instead of easily-fooled systems of this sort, people should instead be identified using X-ray photographs of their knees." | 15:43 |
| aquatix | that's another sound, or did you turn off that sound? | 15:43 |
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| RST38h | quit browser, no change | 15:43 |
| RST38h | let us try killing toshiba hd protection utility next | 15:44 |
| aquatix | RST38h: haha, cue disabled person without legs | 15:44 |
| RST38h | aquatix: this is worth a congress hearing. | 15:44 |
| aquatix | and x-ray... | 15:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cue impotence. | 15:45 |
| * suihkulokki would rather lose a finger than kneekaps | 15:45 | |
| suihkulokki | kneecaps, even | 15:45 |
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| RST38h | Shit, where is that executable? | 15:49 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Spyware, banner clicker? | 15:51 |
| lopz | hola | 15:51 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Naah, the machine is all clean | 15:55 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Looks like it is the Toshiba HDD Protection utility that parks HDD when movement occurs | 15:55 |
| RST38h | I turned off the annoying dialog box but apparently it still clicks | 15:56 |
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| thopiekar | hi.. someone from n800.de-forum has trouble with his n810.. the browser is not acting as it should.. so I told him to remove ~/.mozilla but no changes.. is there a way to reinstall it? | 16:02 |
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| RST38h | how is it acting? | 16:07 |
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| thopiekar | the message: "is actualising" is permanently shown .. the window is empty and this proccess isn't able to stop.. | 16:15 |
| thopiekar | RST38h: ^ | 16:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon restart | 16:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | thopiekar: which language is that? german? | 16:16 |
| thopiekar | he restarted the device but no changes, too | 16:16 |
| thopiekar | timeless_mbp: yes, german | 16:17 |
| thopiekar | :) | 16:17 |
| timeless_mbp | is "actualising" really in the ui? | 16:17 |
| thopiekar | in german: "Wird aktualisiert" | 16:17 |
| timeless_mbp | GAH! | 16:17 |
| timeless_mbp | please don't try to translate from the translation back to English | 16:17 |
| * timeless_mbp shoots someone | 16:18 | |
| thopiekar | :P | 16:18 |
| timeless_mbp | much better. | 16:18 |
| timeless_mbp | so, that translates to ckdg_pb_updating | 16:19 |
| thopiekar | k | 16:19 |
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| thopiekar | but how can he fix that? | 16:20 |
| timeless_mbp | which translates to "Updating" in en-GB (nokia) | 16:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon restart | 16:20 |
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| thopiekar | GeneralAntilles: But isn't it the same when restarting the device? | 16:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | he could not stop the browser | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | no. | 16:21 |
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| thopiekar | k | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | imagine you have a house | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | and you have 30 light switches | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | and you have a maid | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | and each day when she comes in, she turns on 25 of them | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | one day, your child tosses a ball at a wall and a switch goes into some intermediate position and the light stops "working" | 16:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon restart | 16:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | restarting your device would be calling the made and asking her to put all the switches back to the way she sets them every morning | 16:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | turning off the light switch and turning it back on, would be what we're doing | 16:25 |
| timeless_mbp | for more fun w/ light bulbs, please read http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Executive-Summit.aspx | 16:25 |
| timeless_mbp | s/made/maid/ | 16:25 |
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| thopiekar | timeless_mbp: k thanks :) | 16:25 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, the updating message from the browser is because a ui designer got clever | 16:25 |
| timeless_mbp | and insisted we have a message when the browser was "busy" | 16:25 |
| timeless_mbp | like loading a page, or initializing the browser (which loads a page...) | 16:25 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly, the browser ui, talks to a browser daemon, and it's very patient | 16:25 |
| timeless_mbp | in this case, instead of using the light switch metaphor, we're better served w/ the phone metaphor (also found in the url above) | 16:25 |
| timeless_mbp | instead of the child bouncing a ball at the wall, they unplugged the phone | 16:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | so... the browser picks up the phone, tries to call the server, nothing happens | 16:26 |
| timeless_mbp | so... it waits in the room | 16:26 |
| timeless_mbp | (actually, was this more like when they tried to leave and swiped the elevator card thing...) | 16:26 |
| thopiekar | kk :P | 16:27 |
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| thopiekar | could some please tell me why my chroot gets corrupted after a restart? http://pastebin.com/d691e2e51 | 17:00 |
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| Atrus6 | How is everyone today? | 18:15 |
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| aquatix | Atrus6: quiet :) | 18:17 |
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| Atrus6 | Yeah, I guess | 18:17 |
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| andre__ | "Your mail to 'maemo-users' is being held: Message body is too big: 23011 bytes with a limit of 20 KB" | 19:20 |
| andre__ | 20kb seems really low | 19:20 |
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| andre__ | X-Fade, can you change that to maybe 60? :-P | 19:20 |
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| thopiekar | hey guys I'm now working om a new package of graphviz for maemo but I get this config.log while configure fails in dpkg-buildpackage... http://pastebin.com/d52772e06 | 19:48 |
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| thopiekar | hi eichi | 19:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | A laptop without working suspend is about the most useless thing I can imagine. | 20:01 |
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| slonopotamus | :D | 20:06 |
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| dob | what would cause all the desktop applets to disappear and make the advanced-backlight icon change into the two original brigness/volume icons? | 20:10 |
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| slonopotamus | dob, hilldon-desktop died (amd restarted) | 20:11 |
| slonopotamus | s/ll/l/ | 20:11 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: dob, hildon-desktop died (amd restarted) | 20:12 |
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| dob | slonopotamus: thanks, at least now I know what to blame :) | 20:12 |
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| slonopotamus | dob, that often happens under high ram usage | 20:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dob, one of your applets crashed | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | and brought down hildon-desktop | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | to prevent looping, it restarts with a default "safe" set of applets after an unclean exit. | 20:20 |
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| slonopotamus | ga, to be more exact: one of (hildon-desktop + installed applets) died and took other applets with it :) | 20:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hildon-desktop rarely crashes on its own | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | 90% of hildon-desktop crashes are caused by applets. | 20:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Thankfully, Fremantle's improved desktop architecture will limit the scope of these applet-related crashes. | 20:28 |
| lcuk | no need to limit the scope, it just needs to keep a backup of its config file ;) like firefox does | 20:28 |
| lcuk | "your desktop crashed, do you wanna restore the last good applets" | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, so it can restart with the same applet that caused the crash? | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | That makes no sense. | 20:29 |
| * qwerty12 is reminded of Windows' active desktop recovery | 20:29 | |
| lcuk | it doesnt know which applet caused it | 20:29 |
| lcuk | sometimes a crash is just a crash | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Say you have applets A, B, and C. | 20:29 |
| lcuk | heh yeah qwerty | 20:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You add applets A and B and use a certain subset of their features for a few months | 20:30 |
| lcuk | its annoying to have everything removed though# | 20:30 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Applets can start to crash because of corrupted files for instance. Last known good list of applets isn't going to help there. | 20:30 |
| Shadow__X | xmms doesnt want to display the current playing time | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | then you add applet C and start using another set of features in applet A | 20:30 |
| Shadow__X | anyone else have that issue | 20:30 |
| lcuk | agreed - but theres nothing wrong with asking the question | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | This set of features in applet A causes the desktop to crash | 20:30 |
| lcuk | leaving a blank screen is worse :P | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | So your "revert" idea would revert to applets A and B | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | and not solve the crashing issue. | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it doesn't leave a blank screen. | 20:30 |
| lcuk | agreed, so they say no | 20:30 |
| lcuk | but most of the times its fine | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It resets to a set of "known good" applets. | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | my ide crashed and lost its settings the other day | 20:31 |
| Shadow__X | anyone use xmms here | 20:31 |
| lcuk | was v annoying \@/ | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | hiya igagis, hows your theremin comin on | 20:46 |
| lcuk | and have you constructed any other instruments yet :D | 20:47 |
| igagis | Hi lcuk | 20:47 |
| igagis | no, I did not yet :-) | 20:47 |
| igagis | have you seen the update for theremin? I added new instrument voice | 20:47 |
| igagis | it sounds something similar to guitar string | 20:48 |
| lcuk | excellent, so you are making a nice little synth | 20:48 |
| igagis | but not very close to guitar... it is just a simple string model... | 20:48 |
| lcuk | is that what you play tetris with here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUm6UVxoroM | 20:49 |
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| igagis | yes that is | 20:49 |
| lcuk | cool | 20:49 |
| lcuk | i still want to make something that responds to real strumming and picking with a plectrum | 20:50 |
| lcuk | i know the tech can handle it | 20:50 |
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| igagis | well, probably yes, but without multi touch it will be not a very convenient instrumetn | 20:51 |
| Shadow__X | anyone use xmms | 20:51 |
| Shadow__X | i am having an issue with playing time | 20:51 |
| igagis | theremin suffers from that too | 20:51 |
| lcuk | igagis, why does a plectrum need multitouch? | 20:53 |
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| igagis | lcuk, plectrum does not but at the same time you need to finger the strings in some way | 20:54 |
| igagis | lcuk, it is possible to make something like harp may be | 20:55 |
| lcuk | just use something like x position for the pitch - like you already do.. and then see whether the keyboard does chording | 20:55 |
| igagis | well, yes, using keyboard for chording is a good idea | 20:55 |
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| lcuk | frets on fire wants to do similar, but i worry about positioning | 20:56 |
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| igagis | I imagine FoF on N810... :-) holding the tablet like a guitar and hitting Enter key... :-) | 20:57 |
| Shadow__X | no one xmms? i havnt found a way to fix the issue online | 20:57 |
| lcuk | sorry Shadow__X i dunno what xmms even does | 20:58 |
| Shadow__X | music player | 20:58 |
| lcuk | let alone whether i use it :D | 20:58 |
| Pavlov | the latest diablo is os2008 v4.2008.36-5? | 20:58 |
| igagis | xmms is a music player, isn't it? | 20:58 |
| Shadow__X | yes | 20:59 |
| igagis | I do not use it on N810, sorry | 21:00 |
| igagis | lcuk, I don't clearly understand your idea about plectrum... Do you mean the screen has, say, 6 strings which are drawn horizontally and you can tap each string to produce sound? | 21:01 |
| lcuk | tapping is so slow, use the same flick awesome power that gets kinetic going - actually strum like you are strumming a guitar | 21:03 |
| lcuk | where you stroke and the speed you give it should make the noise | 21:04 |
| igagis | well, strumming tablet screen will result in mouse click and mouse move events, so the instrument will have to interpret these events somehow | 21:04 |
| joyrider | i decided to "try" to remake puzznic :) the taito classic for a game for maemo : here's my mockup picture took me whole night to create it :x (i know i suck @ gfx) : http://users.telenet.be/IMS/N810/mockup.jpg | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | igagis, yeah, thats the idea - currently in liqbase i store strokes as they occur and process them and do things with them | 21:05 |
| lcuk | i want it to make noise as well :) | 21:05 |
| igagis | joyrider: looks nice | 21:05 |
| igagis | well, you can make the noise :-) | 21:06 |
| lcuk | :D heh | 21:06 |
| lcuk | i do already | 21:06 |
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| joyrider | yeah gfx isn't my best part though, but i'm proud of it :) plus i'll make it skinable so one could make better gfx :) given that i can make the logic work doesn't seem too hard but then again i'm a novice programmer :) | 21:07 |
| igagis | lcuk, so what is the problem then :-) you've almost done your instrument then :-) | 21:07 |
| lcuk | "i do already" means i make noises myself, not i have coded them and got the computer to make them for me.. | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | im a graphics person ;) | 21:08 |
| igagis | lcuk, :-D | 21:09 |
| joyrider | oh intresting :) | 21:09 |
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| lcuk | joyrider, wrong kind of graphics for you, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY | 21:09 |
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| Shadow__X | hmm anyone use xmms | 21:09 |
| lcuk | i dont make clipart | 21:09 |
| Shadow__X | does anyone use their n8xx to listen to music | 21:09 |
| Shadow__X | lol | 21:09 |
| lcuk | igagis, your code is in c++, jagernot has some for his boxar which is in c | 21:10 |
| lcuk | are you using c++ because of the classes, or could your code be "downgraded" | 21:10 |
| igagis | lcuk, yes, that's right. I just cannot code in C, I think in object way :-) | 21:10 |
| lcuk | i think in objects also (or at least try to lol) | 21:10 |
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| lcuk | you can make dynamic libraries in c++ cant you | 21:11 |
| igagis | yes I surely can | 21:11 |
| lcuk | cool :) | 21:12 |
| igagis | by the way, I could try to export my sound code to .so and you could try using it in your app to produce sounds as in theremin app... | 21:13 |
| igagis | so you could do your strumming instrument | 21:13 |
| lcuk | cool, im just wondering how we would interact with it | 21:13 |
| joyrider | wow just found a super cool program : creates game sounds : http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/2007/12/13/sfxr-sound-effects-for-all/ | 21:13 |
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| joyrider | has presets for all kinds of things and works pretty well | 21:14 |
| igagis | lcuk, it is possible to make clean C interface and expose it, instead of C++ | 21:14 |
| lcuk | not the language or api as such | 21:15 |
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| igagis | joyrider, I had a chance to play with that program before, It can produce some cool sounds yes | 21:16 |
| joyrider | yeah ive been looking for such kind of program for ages lol :) | 21:16 |
| igagis | lcuk, if you have no problems using C++ then it is even easier | 21:16 |
| lcuk | im perfectly happy in lots of languages, i chose c simply because of speed of compilation | 21:17 |
| lcuk | you have a pm by the way | 21:17 |
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| igagis | lcuk, I see it now :-) | 21:18 |
| Shadow__X | ok how about this guys when using xmms and output plugin to esound output plugin it errors out | 21:21 |
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| lcuk | i dunno, but esound itself works to some degree - boxar uses it | 21:22 |
| Shadow__X | hmm how can i test it | 21:22 |
| Shadow__X | what does he use | 21:22 |
| Shadow__X | i recently reinstalled so i could be missing something | 21:23 |
| lcuk | it uses esound | 21:23 |
| lcuk | i only remember because he was mad it might not be in fremantle | 21:23 |
| Shadow__X | what uses esound what other program can i install to make sure esound is working | 21:24 |
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| igagis | Shadow__X: boxar | 21:28 |
| igagis | Shadow__X: another music instrument | 21:29 |
| Shadow__X | ah ok | 21:29 |
| Shadow__X | going to install that | 21:29 |
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| florian | re | 21:35 |
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| Shadow__X | ok | 21:50 |
| Shadow__X | this is bothersome | 21:50 |
| Shadow__X | i ran apt-get upgrade from root | 21:50 |
| Shadow__X | it then proceeding to go through my wizard mounted smb mount and try to delete everything | 21:51 |
| Shadow__X | can someone explain that | 21:51 |
| TrueJournals | Ummm... O_o | 21:52 |
| TrueJournals | Where's it mounted? | 21:52 |
| Shadow__X | home/user/My_docs/remote_fs/server | 21:52 |
| TrueJournals | What packages were upgraded? | 21:52 |
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| Shadow__X | uh there was alot | 21:53 |
| Shadow__X | about 30 of them | 21:53 |
| Shadow__X | last time that happened i lost a TB worth of stuff | 21:53 |
| Shadow__X | this time its read only mounted | 21:53 |
| Shadow__X | thank goodness | 21:53 |
| TrueJournals | Well... it seems someone made a VERY BAD mistake when packaging something... | 21:53 |
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| Shadow__X | i had to do dkpg --configure -a now | 21:54 |
| Shadow__X | because i had to stop upgrade | 21:54 |
| joyrider | which package was it last doing ? | 21:54 |
| Shadow__X | vnc viewer libgnokii4 libillumination vpnc0gui givemefive libcairoom1 maemo mapper | 21:54 |
| Shadow__X | joyrider, i dont remember because i just let it do its thing till i realized it was doing that again | 21:55 |
| lcuk | Shadow__X, didnt apt say something like "this update will cause serious problem, type 'i am god and i know what im doing' before installing? | 21:55 |
| Shadow__X | nope | 21:55 |
| Shadow__X | this happened afew days ago so its a well known app | 21:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: you only get that when removing packages marked as essential | 21:55 |
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| lcuk | its more than likely that you have a well known app and a dodgy repo - the well known app has deps that the dodgy repo can match, but the deps for that other dep are what causes the problems | 21:56 |
| lcuk | lol qwerty12_N800 thats the voice of experience :P | 21:56 |
| lcuk | scared the shit out of me when i saw it and dont tihnk ill ever ever risk doing it | 21:56 |
| TrueJournals | Now I really want to see this message :P | 21:57 |
| Shadow__X | i just used the repos from here | 21:57 |
| Shadow__X | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4&sort=hits&show_pck=205 | 21:57 |
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| joyrider | i used that site as well and it overwrote nokia's repos with the chinook one (instead of diablo) | 21:58 |
| Shadow__X | hmm | 21:58 |
| Shadow__X | so whats a good site | 21:58 |
| joyrider | that's why i couldn't find a-gps at first | 21:58 |
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| joyrider | afaik that's the only one of it's kind i think | 21:58 |
| lcuk | best advice: ONLY use the nokia repos and if you have to use .install files check in your packagemanager afterwards to make sure you disable additional repos | 21:58 |
| lcuk | s/nokia/nokia or maemo/ | 21:59 |
| infobot | lcuk meant: best advice: ONLY use the nokia or maemo repos and if you have to use .install files check in your packagemanager afterwards to make sure you disable additional repos | 21:59 |
| joyrider | but how can a package start deleting files on a mounted share anyway ? | 21:59 |
| lcuk | packages can include scripts which run in pre and post install cant they - isnt there something for uninstall as well | 22:00 |
| lcuk | and isnt it technical feasible for a script to do whatever the hell it wants | 22:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | post/pre rm | 22:01 |
| joyrider | yeah indeed preunins or something but then there must be something going awfully wrong | 22:01 |
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| lcuk | your "wizard mounted smb mount" is linked where and how do you know it "tried" to delete stuff | 22:02 |
| Shadow__X | that that only happened recently | 22:02 |
| Shadow__X | ok | 22:02 |
| lcuk | btw, should we get the violins out? | 22:02 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:03 |
| Shadow__X | wizard mounter mounts its /My_Docs/Remote_FileSystem/Server/files | 22:03 |
| joyrider | i think wizard mounter mounts in docs/remote ... | 22:03 |
| joyrider | what he said ;) | 22:03 |
| Shadow__X | yeah | 22:03 |
| Shadow__X | also | 22:03 |
| Shadow__X | i know because is recursively went into that folder | 22:03 |
| Shadow__X | and tried to rm it | 22:03 |
| Shadow__X | because it said read only rm | 22:03 |
| Shadow__X | rm rm | 22:03 |
| Shadow__X | everywhere | 22:03 |
| Shadow__X | last time i mounted it as RW and it deleted a TB of stuff | 22:04 |
| Shadow__X | this time read only helped me | 22:04 |
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| joyrider | u could try doing it again to figure out what the package is that's causing the problems, given you still now which ones you uninstalled :) | 22:05 |
| lcuk | is wizard mounter an app you installed or is it already somewhere on my system? | 22:05 |
| joyrider | it's an app | 22:05 |
| Shadow__X | i installed wizard mounter | 22:05 |
| lcuk | did u uninstall it again? | 22:05 |
| Shadow__X | no | 22:05 |
| Shadow__X | this was an upgrade that did it | 22:05 |
| Shadow__X | apt-get upgrade | 22:05 |
| Shadow__X | then i notcied this | 22:06 |
| lcuk | and it only tried to delete stuff from within the wizardmounter foledr? | 22:06 |
| lcuk | folder | 22:06 |
| joyrider | hmm lemme check i got wizard mounter installed also | 22:06 |
| lcuk | was wizardmounter included in the upgrade then | 22:07 |
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| lcuk | i wonder if it has a new bullet point on its advertisement material "new algorithm creates additional space for all your new data" | 22:08 |
| Shadow__X | no wizard mounter didnt get updated | 22:09 |
| Shadow__X | lol | 22:09 |
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| b0unc3_ | Shadow__X: I'm the developer of wizard-mounter, what's the problem ? | 22:11 |
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| thopiekar | in which section should webcam programs be taken? user/multimedia or user/graphics? | 22:12 |
| Shadow__X | i dont think the issue is with wizard mounter | 22:12 |
| joyrider | nope it isn't just tested it | 22:12 |
| Shadow__X | but i did an upgrade and some program recursively went through my mounted dir and deleted files | 22:12 |
| lcuk | Shadow__X, you said it showed "rm rm" around, where did it show it | 22:13 |
| TrueJournals | thopiekar: What does the webcam program do? | 22:13 |
| b0unc3 | O_o | 22:13 |
| Shadow__X | when i did apt-get upgrade after it downloaded the apps to upgrade it started setting them up and i stopped looking but when i went back | 22:13 |
| Shadow__X | it was rm files | 22:13 |
| Shadow__X | within the smb mount dir | 22:14 |
| thopiekar | webcamd: Capture images from video devices | 22:14 |
| thopiekar | webcamd take images from your webcam and put it in your | 22:14 |
| thopiekar | local web directory or upload it by FTP. | 22:14 |
| Shadow__X | thank goodness it mounts it as readonlyb | 22:14 |
| Shadow__X | befor i mounted it as RW and i lost a TB worth of stuff | 22:14 |
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| lcuk | thopiekar, preview window and stuffs? | 22:14 |
| lcuk | or background | 22:14 |
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| thopiekar | lcuk: do want to know whether it has a gui? no.. | 22:15 |
| TrueJournals | thopiekar: I would say user/graphics... Although lcuk makes a good point... | 22:15 |
| Shadow__X | any ideas b0unc3 what would do that | 22:15 |
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| TrueJournals | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories#New_list_for_Diablo | 22:16 |
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| thopiekar | hmm or isn't it most of all user/network ? | 22:16 |
| lcuk | it fits in multitple categories | 22:17 |
| thopiekar | hmm I think I would take network.. | 22:17 |
| b0unc3 | Shadow__X: hmmm... you have an n810 running diablo, right ? | 22:17 |
| Shadow__X | .yes sir | 22:17 |
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| joyrider | Shadow__X am running an upgrade as well to see if it happens to me as well i got all those repos installed as well | 22:21 |
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| Shadow__X | alright coo lthanks | 22:21 |
| Shadow__X | do you want the list of apps i have installed | 22:22 |
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| b0unc3 | joyrider: I think you have to mount some smb to exactly reproduce the scenario... | 22:23 |
| Shadow__X | yeah | 22:23 |
| joyrider | i got one mounted | 22:23 |
| Shadow__X | its not wizard mounter its something going crazy | 22:23 |
| Shadow__X | joyrider, make sure its read only | 22:23 |
| joyrider | i back'upped the folder ;) | 22:24 |
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| b0unc3 | Shadow__X: can you give me the list of your installed apps ? | 22:24 |
| Shadow__X | sure is there an easy way to do that | 22:24 |
| Shadow__X | ? | 22:24 |
| b0unc3 | dpkg -l > my-apps-list | 22:25 |
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| joyrider | hmm damn i forgot to mount the share before running apt-get upgrade :x | 22:27 |
| b0unc3 | joyrider: :( | 22:29 |
| Shadow_M | accept | 22:29 |
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| b0unc3 | I have accpted | 22:29 |
| Shadow_M | hmm maybe ports are the issue | 22:30 |
| Shadow_M | how should i send it to you | 22:30 |
| b0unc3 | 22:30 | |
| lcuk | carrier pigeon | 22:30 |
| Shadow__X | whats your address | 22:30 |
| joyrider | or paste into pastebin | 22:30 |
| b0unc3 | yeah paste to pastebin sounds better | 22:30 |
| Shadow__X | yeah | 22:31 |
| Shadow__X | pastebin.org? | 22:31 |
| joyrider | http://pastebin.com/ | 22:31 |
| Shadow__X | ah | 22:31 |
| Shadow__X | which pastebin allows me to upload a file | 22:32 |
| lcuk | copy/paste | 22:32 |
| joyrider | just copy / paste the contents of the file | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=8417 | 22:33 |
| Macer | the maemo community is looking for talented students? :) | 22:34 |
| Macer | summer of code?! hahaha | 22:35 |
| Macer | wow... that's too much :) | 22:35 |
| lcuk | which part macer | 22:36 |
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| Macer | the part where it asks people to code for their summer :) | 22:37 |
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| lcuk | some people have different motivations | 22:37 |
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| Macer | yeah. most people enjoy summer by going to florida and trying to have as much sex as possible before having to return to school | 22:38 |
| lcuk | i thought that was sprinbreak | 22:38 |
| lcuk | which is next week isnt it lol | 22:38 |
| Macer | well.. i'm sure my idea is a lot more fun than sitting in a dark room writing maemo code :) | 22:38 |
| lcuk | how much do students get paid? | 22:38 |
| * lcuk is signed up to be a mentor and doesnt know such things | 22:39 | |
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| Shadow__X | hmm | 22:39 |
| Macer | # Receive some goodies (Book, t-shirt); | 22:39 |
| Macer | # Receive some money; | 22:39 |
| Macer | that's for the mentors.. the students are shit out of luck.. they just get to aid in careerism | 22:40 |
| b0unc3 | lcuk: 4.500$ iirc | 22:40 |
| Macer | i mean.. volunteering to ruin your summer to code all day long? :) that is like... i don't even know how to describe the type of person i can see doing that | 22:40 |
| Macer | 4500 for 3 months?! :) | 22:41 |
| lcuk | thats what i thought it was b0unc3 | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: geeks | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | . | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:41 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: hahha! i didn't want to say it | 22:41 |
| Macer | but i kept picturing the world of warcraft episode of south park | 22:41 |
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| Macer | 3 months of coding during the nicest weather ... ouch. that's a rough life :) | 22:42 |
| RST38h | nicest weather? where? | 22:42 |
| Macer | well.. here in chicago it's nice in the summer for the most part | 22:42 |
| lcuk | macer :) might i remind you that the richest person in the world at this point is a geek. as far as career choices go, theres plenty of worse options | 22:43 |
| RST38h | maybe in chicago... | 22:43 |
| Macer | lcuk: jimmy buffet? | 22:43 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Like a lifeguard for example... | 22:43 |
| Macer | :) | 22:43 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 22:43 | |
| joyrider | Shadow__X did you paste it yet ? | 22:43 |
| * timeless_mbp forgot to install zip/unzip in mer | 22:43 | |
| lcuk | doh! timeless_mbp | 22:44 |
| Macer | lcuk: i thought jimmy buffet was the richest man | 22:44 |
| lcuk | gates retook it | 22:44 |
| Shadow__X | what should i use to copy and paste | 22:44 |
| Macer | how? he doesn't even work anymore haha | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i ended up using a usb stick and host to work around it | 22:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | but by the time i got that done, it was time to walk home and use wifi to install zip/unzip | 22:44 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:44 |
| Macer | jimmy buffet was no geek. ;) he went to florida and went hoe chasing while bill was in a dark room coding | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | not the first time this week i've done something like that | 22:44 |
| Macer | so i guess either choice can wind up in the same place | 22:45 |
| Macer | but i'm sure buffet had a lot more fun | 22:45 |
| joyrider | Shadow__X how do u mean ? | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | earlier i had a "long" task, and wanted my mbp to keep working even if i closed the lid | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | by the time i found an app capable of doing that, my task had finished... | 22:45 |
| Macer | i don't know why i kept saying jimmy.. i meant warren | 22:46 |
| RST38h | Macer,lcuk: Recent college survey shows that geeks do pretty well in terms of getting laid, not sure if this equates to fun lifestyles in terms of your argument | 22:46 |
| Shadow__X | joyrider, what app can i use to open the file notes wont do it | 22:46 |
| lcuk | macer, coding and sex are not mutually exclusive, though admittedly its a little difficult doing both at the same time | 22:46 |
| lcuk | RST38h, never once said it wasnt lol | 22:46 |
| summatusmentis | lcuk: psh, just bring a laptop | 22:46 |
| Macer | Mexican telecom titan Carlos Slim Helú maintains his spot in the top three but lost $25 billion. | 22:47 |
| Macer | wow.. mexican telcom titan? :) | 22:47 |
| joyrider | Shadow__X erh can't transfer it to your pc and open it there and then paste into pastebin from the pc (so not with the tablet) | 22:47 |
| Macer | he is getting paid by the cartel haha | 22:47 |
| joyrider | can't you* | 22:47 |
| Macer | mexicans don't have phones | 22:47 |
| RST38h | Macer: Surely, he has found a way to fax drugs via transatlantic cables | 22:47 |
| Macer | RST38h: haha | 22:47 |
| Macer | they just look ilke cables | 22:47 |
| Macer | they're actually high pressure air tubes ;) | 22:47 |
| lcuk | wheres senator ted stevens when we need him | 22:48 |
| Macer | zipping kilograms of cocaine across the border at the speed of sound | 22:48 |
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| Macer | no fair though. gates took it just because buffet took a hard hit haha | 22:48 |
| Shadow_M | http://pastebin.com/d77a8f3c0 | 22:48 |
| lcuk | sod that, theres just one great big bong down in south america, its piped up - you see the gases escape from city streets sometimes ;) | 22:49 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you do not see that | 22:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: The gases are actually being redirected to US coastal areas | 22:50 |
| RST38h | lcuk: That is where they escape with enourmous evil sounding whistling | 22:50 |
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| Macer | ah well.. i'm off to my gf's house.. :) later | 22:52 |
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| Shadow__X | anyone look at my pastebin | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | joyrider: your desktop file for rubido says: "Exec=usr/games/rubido/rubido" instead of "Exec=/usr/games/rubido/rubido" whic results in it not starting from the menu | 22:58 |
| joyrider | ah crap | 22:58 |
| RST38h | Shadow: what of it? | 22:58 |
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| joyrider | ok goana change that | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/whic/which/ | 22:58 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: joyrider: your desktop file for rubido says: "Exec=usr/games/rubido/rubido" instead of "Exec=/usr/games/rubido/rubido" which results in it not starting from the menu | 22:58 |
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| Shadow__X | RST38h, you might not of read it but i upgraded using apt-get upgrade and in the process it decided to goto My_Docs/Remote_Filesystem/share and recursively delete everything on my mounted fs | 22:59 |
| RST38h | hehe | 22:59 |
| Shadow__X | this time it was mounted as read only | 23:00 |
| Shadow__X | last time it deleted 1TB of stuff | 23:00 |
| lcuk | it didnt delete anything then, are we looking for a needle in a haystack | 23:01 |
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| Shadow__X | lcuk, the last time it did delee stuff this time it tried | 23:02 |
| Shadow__X | it shouldnt try to delete my mounted fs | 23:02 |
| joyrider | qwerty12_N800 if i upload a new version of the package will the previous one be automaticly removed ? | 23:02 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows why Yahoo Weather shows me in Cockeysville, MD? Is it trying to TELL me something? | 23:02 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: Well, to begin with you probably know that apt-get upgrade is not recommended? | 23:03 |
| Shadow__X | it isnt? | 23:03 |
| RST38h | Shadow: no | 23:03 |
| Shadow__X | its a debian system why would that be bad | 23:03 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | joyrider: your new version gets added & people using the old version will be asked to upgrade when their repo lists get updated | 23:03 |
| lcuk | run it again and see if it tries again ;) | 23:03 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Furthermore, do you have extras-devel enabled? | 23:03 |
| joyrider | ok thanks qwerty12_N800 | 23:04 |
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| Shadow__X | RST38h, yes it was there but i dont understand why upgrade is bad | 23:06 |
| Shadow__X | its debian | 23:06 |
| Shadow__X | thats perfectly fine with debian | 23:06 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Maemo is NOT Debian | 23:06 |
| Shadow__X | its built on it | 23:06 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: And doing apt-get upgrade with extras-devel enabled is a sure recipe for disaster | 23:06 |
| joyrider | crap i did the same :x | 23:07 |
| Shadow__X | ok | 23:07 |
| Shadow__X | fine about the repo but isnt maemo built on debian? | 23:07 |
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| RST38h | Shadow: Now, having remote links in My_Docs is another bad idea | 23:07 |
| RST38h | Given how Maemo apps treat My_Docs a little bit differently | 23:08 |
| Shadow__X | RST38h, thats how wizard mounter does it automatically | 23:08 |
| RST38h | Shadow: unmount everything before upgrade then | 23:08 |
| Shadow__X | fine | 23:08 |
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| Shadow__X | so is there any place that ican read that upgrade isnt recommended | 23:09 |
| RST38h | basically, if none of your system-specific directories contain weird stuff and you only have extras enabled, then apt-get upgrade will not kill you | 23:09 |
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| RST38h | most of the time, anyway | 23:09 |
| Shadow__X | ok | 23:09 |
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| Shadow__X | but what is meant my weird stuff | 23:10 |
| RST38h | upgrade isn't recommended because it may accidentally bring wrong packages from some rogue repos | 23:10 |
| Shadow__X | so just use application manageR? | 23:10 |
| RST38h | This is ESPECIALLY true for extras-devel that contains lots of unstable versions of system packages | 23:10 |
| RST38h | Yes, use app manager, unless you are absolutely sure about what you are doing | 23:10 |
| Shadow__X | what good things does extras-devel have then | 23:11 |
| RST38h | beta software | 23:11 |
| Shadow__X | ah | 23:11 |
| Shadow__X | i mean i have been running linux systems for years and have never seen that | 23:11 |
| RST38h | basically, if you do not know what extras-devel contains - you do not need to enable it | 23:11 |
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| joyrider | qwerty12_N800 znax suffers the same error will fix both of them | 23:14 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Lol, it does, but znax starts fine for me :) | 23:16 |
| joyrider | weird :) | 23:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | But cool games, thanks for them :) | 23:18 |
| joyrider | np :) | 23:18 |
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| joyrider | am currently trying to make a new game ... a puzznic remake http://users.telenet.be/IMS/N810/mockup.jpg | 23:18 |
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| * RST38h needs to catch wazd and plead to him to make the last two missing calculator skins | 23:19 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | Tried bribing with vodka? :P | 23:20 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Not yet but I am slowly getting there | 23:21 |
| joyrider | which fields was it again that i need to add in the control file to create a "change log tab" ? can't seem to find the page anymore describing it | 23:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | joyrider: XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description | 23:22 |
| joyrider | aha thanks | 23:22 |
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| RST38h | "Acclaimed game designer Hideo Kojima says he's recruiting Western developers to add their software specialization expertise to the next entry in the Metal Gear series." | 23:37 |
| RST38h | (BFG9000 and driving cars over nude blondes are coming to the next Metal Gear release =)) | 23:38 |
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| plastun | Does Ksusha here? | 23:43 |
| igagis | joyrider: I'm looking at your puzznic mockup screen... I would suggest you to make background more dark, so it would not mix up with foreground items | 23:43 |
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| joyrider | ah darker ok can do that will try it out after i fixed my packages | 23:44 |
| igagis | joyrider: do you have other games already in extras repo? | 23:45 |
| joyrider | yes in extra's developpers znax and rubido | 23:45 |
| * igagis going to check these games | 23:46 | |
| joyrider | but there's a problem with both of them i forgot to add a / to the /usr/bin... path | 23:46 |
| joyrider | in the desktop file | 23:46 |
| igagis | :-) | 23:46 |
| igagis | I could try to run them directly from /usr/bin | 23:47 |
| igagis | :-) | 23:47 |
| joyrider | yes of course :) | 23:47 |
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| igagis | joyrider: I installed games but I cannot see znax and rubido executables in /usr/bin | 23:55 |
| joyrider | they are in /usr/bin/games/znax and /usr/bin/games/rubido | 23:56 |
| igagis | Ok | 23:56 |
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| joyrider | igagis | 23:56 |
| joyrider | sorry /usr/games/znax | 23:57 |
| igagis | ? | 23:57 |
| igagis | :-) | 23:57 |
| igagis | Ok ;-) | 23:57 |
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