| ssvb | ShadowJK: you can ask me instead :) http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/tech/dr-methods.txt | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | ssvb, would you happen to have the planarYUV -> omapfbchunky function on hand, academic interest has piqued and it would save me digging | 00:02 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: the idea is that we have Xv buffers in yv12 format and mplayer decodes video directly into them, these buffers are also visible from Xomap because they use shared memory, Xomap runs color format conversion from these buffers into the framebuffer | 00:03 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: so no extra copies are required | 00:03 |
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| ShadowJK | And in the omapfb case? | 00:04 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: if the hw supported yv12 natively, that would be another story and the direct framebuffer access would have an advantage | 00:04 |
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| ssvb | ShadowJK: it's all the same, only without interprocess communication | 00:05 |
| GAN8001 | Jaffa, I wonder if it has something to do with accumulating ammo to convince Nokia that openness can be productive? | 00:05 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: that's why direct rendering should be almost as fast as omapfb (interprocess communication should have a bit of overhead, but this should not be very noticeable), if everything is working right of course :) | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | ssvb, though theoretically it could do YV12->native in one step without first decoding into a YV12 buffer and then converting the YV12 buffer to a the native fb? | 00:07 |
| Jaffa | GAN8001: Perhaps. But it's also been pointed out a few times (by people including myself) that you can't just mandate *receiving* openness. It's a two-way street, and saying "tell us what to do" isn't inviting a sensible guided conversation. They're still supposed to be the experts. A *much* better starting point would be "we've identified problems X, Y and Z. We think we can solve these by doing A & B. It'd help if you did C. What do you think? Is this achi | 00:07 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: that's very theoretical question, the decoder should support output to this weird format natively, which is PITA to implement and nobody is going to do that | 00:08 |
| GAN8001 | Cut off at "Is this achi" | 00:08 |
| GAN8001 | And, yes, I agree with you. | 00:08 |
| Jaffa | "achievable within timescale D?" | 00:08 |
| GAN8001 | I'm pondering out the motives. | 00:08 |
| Jaffa | I suspect you may be right in the motive. It's the one which makes most sense | 00:08 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, yes, but thats a very specific and long winded method, the function for converting is very optimized to handling full frames, manipulating individual pixels in the strange format is slower overall because its not aligned | 00:08 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: moreover, video decoders are using planar formats and decode each color component separately, decoding directly to packed format can have extra overhead | 00:09 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 00:09 |
| Jaffa | Or, alternatively, this *is* an attempt at being open. Just not a very good one ;-) | 00:09 |
| Stslaptop | discussing igor's post? :P | 00:09 |
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| Jaffa | Not specifically :) | 00:09 |
| GAN8001 | It may also be trying to enable us by giving us the opportunity to step up. | 00:09 |
| GAN8001 | But I don't much like it. | 00:09 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, i was asked the same thing about liqbase, its entirely possible to draw on the compressed planes but its very messy and not optimizable in the same logical manner | 00:10 |
| GAN8001 | I'd rather see them bring some strong leadership that we rally around. | 00:10 |
| Jaffa | It's a bit unguided. It feels like a "step up, or we'll go back to how it was before" ultimatum. | 00:10 |
| ssvb | lcuk: check https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/libswscale_nokia770/?root=mplayer | 00:10 |
| GAN8001 | Jaffa, anyway, I think it's something that needs an extended blog analysis. | 00:11 |
| lcuk | thanks ssvb :) | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | I know in the case of having YV12 framebuffer, MPlayer can request the codec to output in smaller slices instead of whole frame at once, and push these smaller pieces through the filterchain and into the HW. This is supposedly faster because it stays in cache throughout the chain, and might be where the supposed speed advantage vs Xv comes from | 00:11 |
| Jaffa | Potentially inflamatory. I'll start thinking some more. What else could paternity leave be for? (Apart from keeping popping on to the work VPN to check how broken things are getting ;-/) | 00:11 |
| GAN8001 | Ha | 00:11 |
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| GAN8001 | Well, inflammatory isn't necessarily undesirable. ;) | 00:12 |
| GAN8001 | But if the approach is right. . . . | 00:12 |
| Jaffa | True :) | 00:12 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: slices based decoding is a bad idea for mplayer (at least for omapfb output) | 00:12 |
| GAN8001 | "This is the problem I think I might see. Let's talk about it." | 00:12 |
| lcuk | heh ssvb, it might lead to a new fad in tearing : even sliced pieces of different frames :D | 00:13 |
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| ssvb | ShadowJK: the point is that we want to have a complete frame at once and push it to the framebuffer, if we try to output the first slice, it would stall waiting till the previous screen update is complete in order to be sure that we can overwrite the previous frame in the framebuffer | 00:14 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: also the size of data cache is too small on ARM11 to benefit from slice based decoding | 00:14 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 00:15 |
| ShadowJK | actually it doesn't even work with slices | 00:16 |
| Jaffa | GAN8001: pasted a bit of this into an email; since I should go to bed. | 00:16 |
| Jaffa | g'night all | 00:16 |
| Stskeeps | gnite jaffa | 00:16 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: yes, I was lazy to implement it :) | 00:16 |
| ShadowJK | (xv) | 00:16 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: omapfb just does not display anything if you try slice based decoding | 00:17 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: though showing a scary error message would be a good idea too | 00:17 |
| ShadowJK | hm, no way to tell mplayer that vo can not accept slices? | 00:18 |
| ssvb | maybe, but as I said, I was just lazy and focused on other things | 00:18 |
| ShadowJK | hey, slices and yuy2 xv works :-) | 00:18 |
| ssvb | yuy2 xv is irrelevant, it is never going to be fast on internet tablets :) | 00:19 |
| ssvb | well, at least on currently released internet tablets :) | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK | And you'd hope the next ones have YV12 | 00:20 |
| Stskeeps | any good debian packagers around? if i have package X which i'll replace with package Y, which is a drop-in replacement, you'd think i could do provides/replaces/conflicts in package Y with package X.. but what about the packages depending on X (>= some version)? :P | 00:21 |
| ShadowJK | it'd be cool to get omapfb into mplayer trunk, and other changes | 00:22 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: it would be also cool if direct rendering was working reliably | 00:22 |
| ShadowJK | hm? | 00:22 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: it's a bit fragile and sometimes can be buggy with subtitles, also if you have menu enabled, it gets turned off internally and does not provide any speed improvement | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 00:23 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: mplayer with direct rendering and using xv that is reliable and has the same performance as omapfb would be the best solution | 00:24 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: just because it plays nice with X server, does not have visual glitches and can be embedded into windows for use with different gui frontends | 00:25 |
| ssvb | canola for example | 00:25 |
| ShadowJK | OSD and subs flicker or don't appear on "normal" Xv displays too :-) | 00:25 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: OSD and subs can work fine with direct rendering if implemented right | 00:26 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah | 00:27 |
| Toba | hey guys, anyone here develop gui python apps for maemo? | 00:28 |
| Toba | i'm looking for a version of libnotify, for popping up notifications | 00:28 |
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| alterego | This backup is taking a little longer than I first anticipated. | 00:29 |
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| Toba | if it's a lot of files, that could certainly happen | 00:29 |
| ShadowJK | ssvb, so what's the story with ao_gst? | 00:29 |
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| ssvb | ShadowJK: it has absolutely no future :) | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | hm? :-) | 00:31 |
| alterego | 13G left to go. | 00:32 |
| ssvb | shadowJK: that was a hack to use MP3 binary DSP decoder, unfortunately it did not have any public API except gstreamer, so gstreamer wrapper had to be used | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Toba, does it have to be libnotify? the hildon way is hildon.hildon_banner_show_information (but i'm not a dev so...) | 00:32 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: that's entirely bad idea, but it worked fine on Nokia 770 | 00:32 |
| Toba | oh, i guess i should make a branch for a hildon version of my app | 00:32 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: the right solution is to develop open source DSP decoders and use them :) | 00:33 |
| ShadowJK | how come the gstreamer thing no longer works? :-) | 00:33 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: because mplayer uses gstreamer not in the way it was intended to work | 00:34 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: something got broken with gstreamer stack update on N8x0 | 00:34 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: or it is better to say, it is not compatible with this hack anymore | 00:35 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 00:35 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: by the way, I was flamed quite badly by gstreamer developers when I tried to get some information whether it is possible to make this stuff work better | 00:36 |
| ShadowJK | I'm not surprised | 00:37 |
| D_Zirt | can anyone help me fix this infinite loop on my 770, all I did was install usbutils and it wont even boot to the desktop at all now | 00:38 |
| ShadowJK | but it sounds so easy in theory "gstreamer can play mp3, right" | 00:38 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 00:38 |
| ssvb | ShadowJK: That's like one would try to hammer in nails using a microscope (just because there was no better tool available), and then asking microscope manufacturers if there could be done something about making it a bit better suitable for this purpose too :) | 00:40 |
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| ssvb | ShadowJK: gstreamer is designed to have full control over video playback, I just wanted to get it out of the way and do decoding entirely under mplayer control | 00:42 |
| ssvb | s/video/multimedia/ | 00:43 |
| infobot | ssvb meant: ShadowJK: gstreamer is designed to have full control over multimedia playback, I just wanted to get it out of the way and do decoding entirely under mplayer control | 00:43 |
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| TrueJournals | w00t! I fixed my pyacmonitor by adding a really complicated asynchronous process executing class | 00:47 |
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| alterego | 2 minutes until ubuntu reinstallation. | 01:12 |
| GAN8001 | Woo! | 01:13 |
| alterego | Yeah, wish me luck ;) | 01:14 |
| alterego | Here we go | 01:15 |
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| b-man | i updated my Ubuntu guide to include apt-pinning to speed up the install prosess ;) - http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254257#post254257 | 01:20 |
| D_Zirt | anyone know how to fix an infinite reboot loop on a 770? | 01:24 |
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| Stskeeps | reflash? | 01:28 |
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| GAN8001 | ~flashing | 01:31 |
| infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 01:31 |
| D_Zirt | it reboots before I have time to reflash | 01:31 |
| D_Zirt | Im thinking I have to disable watchdog whatever that is | 01:32 |
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| AStorm | D_Zirt, just hold the home button while booting | 01:37 |
| AStorm | it will enter the special flashing mode | 01:37 |
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| mavhc | the "oh crap I've forgotton to backup my files and now they're gone" button | 01:39 |
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| D_Zirt | ya I tried that | 01:39 |
| D_Zirt | I just did a 'flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R | 01:39 |
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| GAN8001 | D_Zirt, follow the instructions on the wiki. :) | 01:41 |
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| D_Zirt | ok, so I disbaled th lifeguard reset, but it still reboots when I try to flash it | 01:46 |
| mavhc | so you're in flashing usb mode, why would it even be trying to boot? | 01:47 |
| D_Zirt | Im trying to re-flash because it Wont boot | 01:49 |
| GAN8001 | Again, follow the instructions on the wiki. | 01:49 |
| GAN8001 | If you disabled the lifeguard, you can flash. . . . | 01:49 |
| D_Zirt | I did disable lifeguard | 01:50 |
| GAN8001 | Which is just flashing with a different set of arguments. | 01:50 |
| D_Zirt | and now when I try to flash it just restarts it and takes it out of usb mode | 01:50 |
| GAN8001 | Is the battery dead? | 01:50 |
| D_Zirt | I hope not, it was sitting plugged in for several hours | 01:51 |
| D_Zirt | at least it was supposed to be charging, it just kept resetting | 01:51 |
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| D_Zirt | ok, now that lifeguard is disabled, it goes to a white screen with a battery in the middle for about 30 seconds, then to a plain white screen and just sits | 02:11 |
| D_Zirt | when charging | 02:11 |
| D_Zirt | anybody? please, Im about to throw this p.o.s across the room | 02:13 |
| GAN8001 | You know there are more watchdogs? | 02:14 |
| D_Zirt | that I can disbale? | 02:15 |
| GAN8001 | If disabling all watchdogs doesn't help, then it's a low battery. | 02:15 |
| GAN8001 | ~flasher | 02:15 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 02:15 |
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| D_Zirt | ya, the only thing that I can see that might help me is the lifguard | 02:16 |
| AStorm | no, it won't | 02:17 |
| AStorm | also, already tried booting while holding Home? | 02:17 |
| AStorm | when connected to USB | 02:17 |
| AStorm | it should stop at a Nokia screen with a plug icon | 02:18 |
| D_Zirt | yes, after disabling the lifguard it works until I try to flash it with a new bin | 02:18 |
| AStorm | which is the cold flash mode | 02:18 |
| AStorm | what? | 02:18 |
| GAN8001 | Cold flash involves serial cables. | 02:18 |
| AStorm | GAN800, whatever, it still should work | 02:18 |
| AStorm | it works even with broken initfs | 02:19 |
| AStorm | (is done by Fiasco I guess) | 02:19 |
| D_Zirt | I bet cold flash would help me | 02:19 |
| GAN8001 | I bet not. | 02:19 |
| AStorm | and watchdogs should be correctly disabled in that case | 02:19 |
| AStorm | yes, it's dying due to low battery apparently | 02:20 |
| D_Zirt | well then why wont it charge? | 02:20 |
| AStorm | ~curse nokia for doing battery charging in software | 02:20 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia for doing battery charging in software ! | 02:20 |
| D_Zirt | ya, thats what I was thinking | 02:20 |
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| AStorm | until dsme is running, it's not charging | 02:21 |
| AStorm | uhm, bme | 02:21 |
| D_Zirt | I guess I'll just have to build a Li-Pol charger -.- | 02:21 |
| GAN8001 | Have you tried plugging in the charger once it's in flashing mode? | 02:22 |
| GAN8001 | AStorm, who doesn't do it in software these days? :\ | 02:22 |
| AStorm | GAN800, no, it won't charge then | 02:22 |
| GAN8001 | AStorm, that's not the point. | 02:22 |
| AStorm | GAN8001, well, one simple chip would be enough | 02:22 |
| GAN8001 | The point is to supplement the battery, not charge it additionally. | 02:22 |
| AStorm | it will drain it | 02:23 |
| AStorm | as the default mode is full battery operation | 02:23 |
| D_Zirt | Im trying | 02:23 |
| AStorm | yes, it's a nasty bug imo | 02:24 |
| D_Zirt | nope, just restarts as soon as I try to flash | 02:24 |
| GAN8001 | Meh | 02:24 |
| AStorm | D_Zirt, you'll have to grab a charger | 02:26 |
| AStorm | I recommend some cell phone store | 02:26 |
| AStorm | they should have N96 around | 02:26 |
| GAN8001 | Er, how, exactly, does an N96 help? | 02:27 |
| AStorm | it supports BP-4l? | 02:28 |
| AStorm | :P | 02:28 |
| GAN8001 | Not. | 02:28 |
| AStorm | hm | 02:28 |
| AStorm | which one does? | 02:28 |
| GAN8001 | The 770 is BP-5L, anyway. | 02:29 |
| D_Zirt | same battery | 02:29 |
| AStorm | ah, it's 770? then it's easy | 02:29 |
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| AStorm | n95 or e60 | 02:29 |
| pupnik | how about user-swappable backplates with different size batteries, for n9x0 | 02:30 |
| GAN8001 | RX-51 | 02:30 |
| AStorm | unlikely, as Nokia likes to reuse battery designs | 02:30 |
| D_Zirt | anyway Im out, thanks for the help. I'll be back if I gat it fixed | 02:30 |
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| pupnik | yeah | 02:33 |
| pupnik | infineon wants to sell a new battery branding system that will put crypto on a battery | 02:34 |
| pupnik | so the host device will not accept 3rd party batteries | 02:34 |
| AStorm | no more cheap replacements... | 02:34 |
| AStorm | "safety" measure or sth | 02:34 |
| AStorm | actually, $$$ | 02:35 |
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| pupnik | i hope they leave the DC-in jack unmolested | 02:35 |
| AStorm | as lifetime of lithium-based is about 3y | 02:35 |
| AStorm | uhm, no, USB would be much better | 02:35 |
| AStorm | although, microusb is horrible | 02:36 |
| AStorm | and unsupported | 02:36 |
| GAN8001 | USB would be better if you don't want to connect USB devices to it and stay powered on. | 02:45 |
| GAN8001 | USB certainly isn't better in all cases. | 02:45 |
| AStorm | yup | 02:45 |
| AStorm | so give us 2 ports :) | 02:45 |
| GAN8001 | Lot of space to use up. | 02:46 |
| AStorm | yup, a lot of unused space | 02:46 |
| AStorm | problem will be powering all the ports | 02:46 |
| AStorm | and charging will need a client mode | 02:46 |
| GAN8001 | Not gonna happen on a consumer device anyway, so I'd rather have the dedicated power port. | 02:47 |
| AStorm | meaning an OTG cable | 02:47 |
| AStorm | it does happen | 02:47 |
| AStorm | all the new cell phones are charged over usb | 02:47 |
| GAN8001 | You misunderstood. | 02:47 |
| GAN8001 | You wont get two USB ports in a consumer device like this. | 02:48 |
| AStorm | 2 ports? | 02:48 |
| AStorm | why not? a lot of free space | 02:48 |
| GAN8001 | It's expensive and pointless for 99% of users. | 02:48 |
| AStorm | :> | 02:48 |
| AStorm | I loathe nokia plugs | 02:48 |
| AStorm | they should use something standard instead | 02:49 |
| GAN8001 | Whatever, but they aint puttin' two of them on there. | 02:49 |
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| D_Zirt | Fixxored :) | 02:59 |
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| pupnik | expandable battery capacity is winsome | 04:22 |
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| stelleg | anyone know how to change config file to compile kernel for verbose output? NOKIA screen isn't particularly informative | 04:30 |
| GAN8001 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting | 04:31 |
| AStorm | stelleg, you have to enable automatic screen refresh | 04:31 |
| AStorm | in framebuffer options | 04:32 |
| stelleg | whoa thanks guys | 04:32 |
| AStorm | btw, can't we have X driver swiitch to manual updates? | 04:34 |
| * pupnik would like to know what the refresh rate *is* | 04:36 | |
| pupnik | refresh "as needed"? | 04:37 |
| AStorm | I guess around 50 Hz | 04:37 |
| GAN8001 | pupnik, about the same as a mechanical TV. ;) | 04:37 |
| AStorm | while X updates as needed | 04:37 |
| pupnik | hm | 04:37 |
| stelleg | hm | 04:38 |
| stelleg | using Bundyo's kernel I got verbose output without editing initfs stuff | 04:38 |
| stelleg | when you say enable automatic screen refresh is that a kernel option? | 04:39 |
| AStorm | because it's built with autorefresh | 04:39 |
| AStorm | it is | 04:39 |
| stelleg | k I'll look for that, thanks | 04:40 |
| AStorm | as wiki tells, X will run slow | 04:40 |
| AStorm | I don't know why | 04:40 |
| AStorm | I'd rather expect it to just use more power | 04:40 |
| ljp | its slower because its refreshing the entire screen, instead of just the areas needing to be repainted | 04:41 |
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| AStorm | well | 04:41 |
| AStorm | couldn't X driver switch the mode itself | 04:42 |
| AStorm | instead of us relying on hacked tools? | 04:43 |
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| ljp | any application can switch the update mode | 04:46 |
| AStorm | yes, so? | 04:46 |
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| AStorm | X driver should do that | 04:46 |
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| AStorm | I'd also like to be able to switch VT somehow | 04:48 |
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| stelleg | sorry AStorm, I seem to be having trouble locating how to compile the kernel with the autorefresh option you speak of | 04:53 |
| AStorm | it's in framebuffer options | 04:54 |
| stelleg | I don't see it in any config files | 04:54 |
| AStorm | ... | 04:54 |
| stelleg | hmm | 04:54 |
| AStorm | make menuconfig please | 04:54 |
| stelleg | k | 04:54 |
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| stelleg | hmm | 05:02 |
| stelleg | I'm using the omap branch with the NITDroid patch | 05:06 |
| stelleg | and I'm afraid I cant find that option | 05:06 |
| AStorm | use the / | 05:06 |
| AStorm | it is in, around Epson chip config | 05:07 |
| stelleg | hmm | 05:08 |
| stelleg | not seeing autorefresh | 05:08 |
| stelleg | or refresh | 05:08 |
| stelleg | default to manual update mode? | 05:08 |
| stelleg | in graphics | 05:08 |
| stelleg | i'm giving that a shot | 05:09 |
| AStorm | yes, that | 05:10 |
| AStorm | ... | 05:10 |
| AStorm | uncheck | 05:10 |
| stelleg | oh | 05:10 |
| stelleg | it was unchecked | 05:10 |
| stelleg | hah | 05:10 |
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| stelleg | well i'll try it checked | 05:11 |
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| stelleg | bummer | 05:12 |
| stelleg | no dice | 05:12 |
| AStorm | try it unchecked | 05:13 |
| AStorm | ah, and enable framebuffer console | 05:14 |
| stelleg | yeah Ive got that checked | 05:16 |
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| stelleg | and unchecked the other | 05:17 |
| stelleg | still no dice | 05:17 |
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| AStorm | weird | 05:17 |
| stelleg | it doesn't fade away like some failed kernels though | 05:17 |
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| stelleg | it just sits at the nokia splash and turns off after about 10 seconds | 05:18 |
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| AStorm | ok | 05:18 |
| AStorm | so it's the watchdog killing it | 05:18 |
| AStorm | you forgot to enable some needed driver | 05:18 |
| AStorm | or otherwise made it crash | 05:18 |
| stelleg | ok | 05:19 |
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| stelleg | i should talk to bundyo, as far as I know hes the only one to have a newer kernel running on the 770 | 05:20 |
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| stelleg | thanks for your help AStorm | 05:21 |
| stelleg | have you tried NITDroid yet? | 05:21 |
| AStorm | no, coding hwr takes too much time | 05:22 |
| AStorm | and wasting the remainder :P | 05:23 |
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| stelleg | fair enough | 05:23 |
| rzr | <stelleg> have you tried NITDroid yet? | 05:23 |
| rzr | i wish i can on 770 | 05:23 |
| rzr | is it possible ? | 05:23 |
| stelleg | working on getting it working on 770 | 05:23 |
| stelleg | or trying and failing | 05:23 |
| rzr | really ? | 05:24 |
| rzr | how far did you go | 05:24 |
| rzr | #nitdroid is open btw | 05:24 |
| stelleg | ah | 05:24 |
| stelleg | sweetr | 05:24 |
| rzr | do you have a page of your works ? | 05:25 |
| rzr | I linked some on | 05:25 |
| rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/omap | 05:25 |
| stelleg | haven't gotten that far | 05:26 |
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| stelleg | the nitdroid kernel doesnt get anywhere | 05:27 |
| stelleg | bundyo's kernel at least loads | 05:27 |
| rzr | how much space does this operation requiere ? | 05:28 |
| rzr | deblet needs like a 2GB card | 05:28 |
| stelleg | mm, I actually only have the 64meg card now | 05:29 |
| stelleg | but its enough to hold the nitdroid rootfs | 05:30 |
| AStorm | no way | 05:30 |
| rzr | which bootloader, flasher are you using ? | 05:30 |
| stelleg | yep, its only about 50 megs | 05:30 |
| AStorm | unless it'sx jffs2, which can't be ran off a card | 05:30 |
| Vulcanis | Hmm | 05:31 |
| stelleg | what do you mean AStorm? | 05:31 |
| stelleg | the ext3 partition works fine | 05:31 |
| Vulcanis | is there a way to write to the SDcard over wifi? Other than scp... | 05:31 |
| stelleg | its only about 62 | 05:31 |
| AStorm | it fits? | 05:31 |
| stelleg | yep | 05:31 |
| AStorm | hm | 05:31 |
| stelleg | its about 50 | 05:31 |
| rzr | <Vulcanis> is there a way to write to the SDcard over wifi? Other than scp... | 05:32 |
| rzr | using NFS ? | 05:32 |
| AStorm | Vulcanis, yup, with gadget driver | 05:32 |
| AStorm | oh, wait, wifi | 05:32 |
| AStorm | you can also use nbd (network block device) | 05:32 |
| Vulcanis | and how do I use those? | 05:32 |
| AStorm | kernel driver and some software | 05:32 |
| AStorm | google knows | 05:32 |
| AStorm | :) | 05:33 |
| Vulcanis | how do I write to the device using nfs, then | 05:33 |
| AStorm | you'd need an nfs server | 05:33 |
| stelleg | @rzr nokia flasher, no bootloader I don't think | 05:33 |
| AStorm | I think there is one in the repos | 05:33 |
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| Vulcanis | Alright, would it have some obscure name, or would it be easyish to find? | 05:33 |
| AStorm | stelleg, not, none, but rather Fiasco | 05:33 |
| AStorm | Vulcanis, no, nfs-server or nfsd | 05:34 |
| stelleg | ah, ok thanks | 05:34 |
| AStorm | or such | 05:34 |
| Vulcanis | alright | 05:34 |
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| rzr | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21747 | 05:34 |
| rzr | stelleg: update this thread if you go anywhere plz | 05:35 |
| stelleg | http://www.bundyo.org/maemo/nitdroid/nitdroid_770_20081223.tar.bz2 | 05:36 |
| stelleg | okey dokey | 05:36 |
| rzr | i'll test this w/ OS2008HE my side tomorow | 05:38 |
| stelleg | thats the kernel image that should work with a working android rootfs according to the directions at nitdroid site | 05:38 |
| stelleg | i tried to hack together a working android rootfs to no avail, getting init errors | 05:39 |
| rzr | do you want me to compare the process on my device ? | 05:41 |
| rzr | how long could it takes ? | 05:42 |
| stelleg | you have a 770? | 05:42 |
| pupnik_ | sorry, android can't be supported. unless google open-sources its server software | 05:42 |
| pupnik_ | so anyone can provide android web apps | 05:42 |
| stelleg | huh? | 05:42 |
| rzr | stelleg: yes | 05:42 |
| pupnik_ | as it stands, it's a nice way to put all your personal information into the Total Information Awareness database | 05:42 |
| rzr | pupnik: you mean google uses the same crap as apple store ? | 05:43 |
| AStorm | hmmh | 05:43 |
| pupnik_ | well i'm not an authority on the details | 05:43 |
| stelleg | rzr, it works well | 05:43 |
| stelleg | it will take a bit | 05:43 |
| stelleg | depending on how comfortable you are with partitionning, and flashing | 05:43 |
| rzr | i am ok | 05:44 |
| stelleg | just follow the instructions on the nitdroid site | 05:44 |
| rzr | ok | 05:44 |
| stelleg | except use the kernel I linked to here | 05:44 |
| stelleg | as the one on the site doesn't work at all, at least for me | 05:45 |
| rzr | there is no risk to brick it ? ;) | 05:45 |
| stelleg | I don't know | 05:45 |
| stelleg | but I've treated mine pretty badly and it's survived | 05:45 |
| rzr | -Extract the NITdroid files to your new filesystem with 'cd /mnt;tar -xjpvf path_to/rootfs_nitdroid.tar.bz2'. | 05:45 |
| rzr | which files ? | 05:45 |
| rzr | yours is only an image of kernel right ? | 05:46 |
| rzr | this ones i guess | 05:48 |
| rzr | http://guug.org/nit/nitdroid/rootfs-nitdroid.tar.bz2 | 05:48 |
| rzr | stelleg: | 05:48 |
| rzr | NITdroid debugging kernel for N770 (2.6.28-rc8-omap 2008Dec10) | 05:48 |
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| towo | god, why does EVERYONE try to run Android on EVERYTHINg? | 05:49 |
| * towo frowns | 05:49 | |
| towo | Although I do admit it making more sense on an NIT instead of a netbook.. | 05:49 |
| Proteous | lol | 05:51 |
| Proteous | I'm using android on my quad core gaming machine | 05:51 |
| Proteous | not too many games though | 05:51 |
| Proteous | tried to install gears of war 2 but it didn't work | 05:52 |
| Proteous | I filed a bug report | 05:52 |
| rzr | Proteous: if it supports vmware :) | 05:52 |
| AStorm | towo, because it's the latest rage | 05:53 |
| AStorm | :P | 05:53 |
| AStorm | and people are slaves to Google | 05:53 |
| GAN8001 | Google Fever | 05:54 |
| rzr | mer would be my next test too | 05:54 |
| duzt | people are silly | 05:54 |
| towo | re | 05:56 |
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| stelleg | i hate to say this in a maemo chatroom but as an open source project android is light years ahead of maemo | 06:02 |
| AStorm | it's not | 06:03 |
| AStorm | really | 06:03 |
| AStorm | you can't even build a package for it | 06:03 |
| stelleg | what do you mean | 06:04 |
| stelleg | you can build apk's | 06:04 |
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| stelleg | and you can download and compile their whole tree | 06:04 |
| AStorm | and put them where? | 06:04 |
| GAN8001 | duzt++ | 06:04 |
| AStorm | do they have a repository? | 06:04 |
| GAN8001 | stelleg, you are seriously deluded. | 06:04 |
| stelleg | no I've had a hell of a time finding maemo sources and resources | 06:05 |
| stelleg | thats all | 06:05 |
| GAN8001 | Pfft | 06:05 |
| stelleg | the people here are a lot better than any online resources ive found | 06:05 |
| AStorm | mwhahaha | 06:05 |
| GAN8001 | http://maemo.org/development/sources/ | 06:06 |
| AStorm | exactly | 06:06 |
| GAN8001 | One person's ability (or inability) to find sources doesn't say anything about a project and it's | 06:06 |
| GAN8001 | "open sourciness" | 06:06 |
| GAN8001 | s/it's/it/ | 06:06 |
| * GAN8001 sighs | 06:07 | |
| GAN8001 | Damn keyboard | 06:07 |
| stelleg | do those repositories include kernel sources? | 06:08 |
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| AStorm | yes | 06:09 |
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| stelleg | hmm | 06:09 |
| AStorm | everything except a few nits like closed dsme, bme, wifi driver | 06:10 |
| stelleg | I guess I'm just bitter because I' | 06:10 |
| stelleg | ok | 06:10 |
| AStorm | there's another wifi driver though | 06:10 |
| AStorm | :) | 06:10 |
| stelleg | just for 8x0 right | 06:10 |
| GAN8001 | Logically enough: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/ | 06:10 |
| GAN8001 | It's similar enough to the 770 that a backport shouldn't be too overwhelmingly difficult. | 06:11 |
| stelleg | is that what was done for 2008he? | 06:12 |
| AStorm | yes | 06:13 |
| stelleg | weird | 06:13 |
| stelleg | I was under the impression while using 2008he that I was still running a 2.6.16 | 06:14 |
| AStorm | or maybe... well | 06:14 |
| AStorm | ask linux-omap guys, they'll be happy to note any bugs | 06:14 |
| GAN8001 | AStorm, what are you saying was done for OS2008HE? | 06:15 |
| AStorm | hmm, no | 06:15 |
| AStorm | kernel wasn't changed | 06:15 |
| GAN8001 | I'm saying the STLC45xx wont be overly difficult to make work for the 770. | 06:15 |
| GAN8001 | Which is one of the larger things keeping it on an old kernel. | 06:16 |
| stelleg | don't they use different wifi chips? | 06:16 |
| GAN8001 | One model number apart. | 06:16 |
| AStorm | which mostly means firmware differences | 06:16 |
| stelleg | cool | 06:17 |
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| stelleg | i really haven't played with my 770 for a year or two now | 06:18 |
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| stelleg | but not being able to upgrade to newer versions of maemo made me kind of bitter | 06:19 |
| stelleg | which is one of the things motivating me to work on getting android on it | 06:20 |
| stelleg | so I'm sorry if I offended | 06:20 |
| AStorm | deprecation and all | 06:21 |
| AStorm | I guess android will do such too some time in the future | 06:21 |
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| churl1 | ubuntu 8.10 would use flasher-3.0 correct? | 06:49 |
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| churl1 | anyone want to hold my hand and walk me through flashing? | 07:06 |
| churl1 | cause there seems to be something trivial that im not getting | 07:07 |
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| `Mace_ | hm | 07:08 |
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| `Mace | hm | 07:09 |
| `Mace | i think someone is botnetting my ip :) | 07:09 |
| * `Mace calls comcast to have it logged and blocked higher up | 07:09 | |
| `Mace | the joy of having a business line | 07:09 |
| `Mace | haha | 07:09 |
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| churl1 | hi `Mace | 07:21 |
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| churl1 | anyone there? | 07:27 |
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| robink | So is it true that there's no OSS PowerVR SGX 530 driver? | 08:34 |
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| Deuce | seen qwerty | 09:20 |
| Deuce | Anyway... I'm the authour of SyncTERM and apparently, qwerty offered to do a build for Nokia tablets but hat dependency issues (most likely with Cryptlib) | 09:23 |
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| RST38h | Wait a bit and he will come | 09:32 |
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| RST38h | In the meanwhile, are you sure that this page: http://syncterm.bbsdev.net/ has the right background clor? =) | 09:32 |
| RST38h | color | 09:32 |
| Deuce | Bwahaha! | 09:33 |
| Deuce | Yes. | 09:33 |
| Deuce | :-) | 09:33 |
| Deuce | Though... the joke may be getting a bit too old now. | 09:33 |
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| * Deuce pounces on qwerty12 | 09:34 | |
| Deuce | gmake RELEASE=1 WITHOUT_OOII=1 WITHOUT_CRYPTLIB=1 WITHOUT_PORTAUDIO=1 | 09:35 |
| Deuce | What's prolly what you want for SyncTERM. | 09:35 |
| Deuce | If loosing full-screen isn't an issue, you may also want to add WITHOUT_SDL=1 | 09:36 |
| qwerty12 | The first line sounds cool. | 09:36 |
| Deuce | It does run-time linking so even when it's built with SDL, SDL isn't required... | 09:36 |
| Deuce | Same for X11 | 09:37 |
| Deuce | Actually same for most optional stuff. | 09:37 |
| Deuce | What is the normal audio API for the target? | 09:37 |
| RST38h | hehehehe | 09:39 |
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| qwerty12 | Deuce, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/syncterm | 09:42 |
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| Deuce | qwerty12: Cool, thanks... any idea if it works? :-) | 09:43 |
| qwerty12 | Nope :) | 09:43 |
| Deuce | Think he'll know what to do with the binary? | 09:44 |
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| * Deuce adds it to the SyncTERM home page. | 09:48 | |
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| MaceN800 | blah | 10:26 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:29 |
| Meiz_n810 | morning | 10:29 |
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| Meiz_n810 | could someone take a quick look what's wrong with this: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/mer-ui-extras.tar.gz . It's the first script i have ever made, so i think it's pretty simple.. The Theme install and select part of it are both working, but anything else i press in the Main-Menu, just closes it with no output in terminal... | 10:41 |
| Meiz_n810 | i want to have simple way of installing maemos themes etc.. :P | 10:42 |
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| * Meiz_n810 gets back tgo maemo... | 10:52 | |
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| MaceN800 | hm | 10:58 |
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| ScreaminIke | Any users about? | 11:13 |
| ScreaminIke | ... Or devs | 11:13 |
| Veggen | wrong question. Just ask your question. | 11:14 |
| ScreaminIke | ... Right. I have some bt kbd issues.... 1) i often have to delete my kbd and re-pair it... What am i doing wrong? 2) how do i get it to type in dvorak? | 11:17 |
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| `Mace | hm | 11:23 |
| `Mace | i wanna see screen shots of mer | 11:23 |
| `Mace | how is it coming along? | 11:24 |
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| `Mace | ? | 11:30 |
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| * alterego contemplates testing a statically linked ruby distribution with all the gtk and maemo bindings linked in. | 11:39 | |
| alterego | I bet that would go a bit faster. | 11:39 |
| AStorm | no | 11:40 |
| AStorm | it would be heavy | 11:40 |
| alterego | I didn't say I'd release it :P | 11:40 |
| alterego | And it'll only link in the gtk and maemo extensions. Not a completely static executable. | 11:40 |
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| alterego | Basically a ruby-maemo VM :P | 11:41 |
| sinak | hello! I have a N800. Can I handle calls and sms from my n800? | 11:41 |
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| alterego | sinak: internet calls - yes | 11:42 |
| AStorm | no and most likely no | 11:42 |
| AStorm | you can handle sip | 11:42 |
| AStorm | and somewhat skype | 11:42 |
| x29a_ | sinak: or connect to your bt enabled phone, i think i saw an application like phonelink or so | 11:42 |
| alterego | I think there's a phone manager application. Which can handle SMS. | 11:42 |
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| sinak | :-( | 11:43 |
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| AStorm | which has very old drivers that won't work with anything | 11:43 |
| AStorm | phonelink just doesn't work | 11:43 |
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| sinak | i 'll google it | 11:43 |
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| sinak | to see if there is anythinh | 11:43 |
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| Khertan | Hello everybody ! | 11:44 |
| Meiz_n810 | hi Khertan | 11:47 |
| Khertan | Hi Meiz | 11:48 |
| AStorm | sinak, good luck | 11:50 |
| AStorm | hello | 11:50 |
| sinak | hehe | 11:50 |
| * Khertan have just try to move the left bar of maemo-launcher to the top and reduce it ... | 11:50 | |
| AStorm | and failed? | 11:50 |
| * Khertan say that is wasn't a good idea ... as many things seems to be hard coded | 11:51 | |
| Khertan | the bar is now on top | 11:51 |
| Khertan | but the menu bar is under it ... and menu open not on the good location so not all items is visible | 11:51 |
| Khertan | it s seems i can't merge the menu bar and the left one | 11:52 |
| * Khertan was also thinking of porting the launcher of Ubuntu UME ... but it s seems to depends on clutter ... :( | 11:53 | |
| AStorm | Khertan, I guess everything is hardcoded in the matchbox clone | 11:54 |
| Khertan | yep :( | 11:54 |
| AStorm | tried another WM? | 11:54 |
| Khertan | some parameters isn't read from the conf file | 11:54 |
| Khertan | nope ... | 11:54 |
| fauxmight | Anybody flash poky to an n810? (Latest (pinky) is just reboot looping for me.) | 11:55 |
| AStorm | go bug hrw | 11:55 |
| fauxmight | who? | 11:56 |
| t_s_o | heh, it seems the minimalist theme for the itt forum is something of a testbed for webkit... | 11:56 |
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| AStorm | fauxmight, the author? | 11:57 |
| fauxmight | thx | 11:57 |
| AStorm | you mean, webkit fails again? | 11:57 |
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| AStorm | ehh, how oh how should I solve the problem of letter separation in handwriting recognition w/o infringing on M$ patents? | 11:58 |
| Khertan | AStorm: we have the source of the current matchbox used in maemo ? | 11:58 |
| AStorm | (that is, no neural nets) | 11:58 |
| AStorm | Khertan, yes, in source repos | 11:59 |
| Khertan | k thanks .... maybe i should take a look to see if i can make an fork with a different style ... | 11:59 |
| Khertan | :) | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: you're going in the wrong direction, edit the hildon-desktop .conf's | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | not matchbox | 12:00 |
| AStorm | or better, give us openbox and some panel? | 12:00 |
| AStorm | :P | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | and edit themes | 12:00 |
| AStorm | he said he's tried it | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | and it's not hardcoded in matchbox :P | 12:01 |
| Khertan | ? | 12:01 |
| Khertan | really ? | 12:01 |
| AStorm | oh, the left bar is | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's all themed | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | left bar isn't either | 12:01 |
| AStorm | it's hard to move it somewhere | 12:01 |
| AStorm | or drop the "tasklist" | 12:01 |
| Khertan | but how to merge left bar and top one containing menu ? | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | i accidentially moved left bar in hildon-desktop so | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: probably editing the hildon-desktop .conf's and maybe the .sos for it | 12:02 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps, ... not that kind of simle | 12:02 |
| AStorm | yeah, .so is really easy to modify :P | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | sure it is | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | open source and all :P | 12:02 |
| AStorm | tell me, except recompiling code | 12:02 |
| AStorm | :P | 12:02 |
| AStorm | whatever | 12:02 |
| Khertan | yep ... it need a compilation ... | 12:03 |
| AStorm | so, any ideas how should I separate out letters? | 12:03 |
| Khertan | what i want to try to do is to remove the left bar to get some space :) | 12:03 |
| t_s_o | ugh, this intertial scrolling that people want to stuff into everything is driving me insane! | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/weirdhildon.png | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | like that? :P | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | (there's no left bar on that picture btw) | 12:04 |
| AStorm | t_s_o, it's good if done well | 12:04 |
| t_s_o | i drag something around, watch it come to a halt, release the screen and suddenly it decides that it should start moving again! | 12:04 |
| t_s_o | AStorm: then i have yet to see it done well | 12:04 |
| AStorm | canola? | 12:04 |
| t_s_o | tear | 12:05 |
| Khertan | http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/12.jpg?w=800&h=480 | 12:05 |
| AStorm | (except it's right-handed) | 12:05 |
| Khertan | more like that : http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/12.jpg?w=800&h=480 :) | 12:05 |
| Khertan | without the bottom :) | 12:05 |
| Khertan | t_s_o: inertial is good when well used ... so it s mean not everywhere ! | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: yeah, i know, it's possible to do something like that :P | 12:06 |
| AStorm | almost everywhere | 12:06 |
| AStorm | saves space | 12:06 |
| Khertan | AStorm: and lost drag and drop... double click | 12:06 |
| AStorm | drag and drop is simple, do locked | 12:06 |
| AStorm | double click still works | 12:06 |
| AStorm | why wouldn't it? | 12:07 |
| Khertan | AStorm: yep ... it s works ... but need to do it with precision | 12:07 |
| AStorm | some tunable precision, yes | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: saw http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-desktop-layout-alpha/annotate/head%3A/desktop.conf for instance? | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | or.. | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-desktop/data/desktop.conf.in?revision=13657&root=maemo&view=markup | 12:08 |
| AStorm | hmm, so no handwriting recognition expert around? :P | 12:08 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps: but if you move the left one to top ... the old top one is under the old left moved to top ... (you understand me ?) :) | 12:08 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan: well, i didn't go deep into details but there's definately a way to do what's in that UI :P | 12:10 |
| Khertan | but you can't move the main application menu to the top bar which contain menu for example, isn't it ? | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | mer images are moving a lot closer these days, so it will be a -lot- easier to toy with things like that | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: i think you can actually | 12:10 |
| AStorm | so do it for him | 12:11 |
| * AStorm hides | 12:11 | |
| Khertan | :) | 12:11 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe. maybe after this month. 3 exams coming up :( | 12:13 |
| AStorm | just 3? easy :P | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | one article-length paper, one course in social and collaborative computing, and one in human-computer interaction | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:14 |
| Khertan | i ll try to found :) | 12:14 |
| AStorm | hehe | 12:14 |
| Khertan | if you found ... i can do it too :) | 12:14 |
| AStorm | I've 4, one lawyerese, one databases, one computer diagnostics, one ai | 12:15 |
| Meizirkki | could someone take a quick look what's wrong with this?: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/mer-ui-extras.tar.gz. First script i have ever made, so it's pretty simple. I want to have "easy" way to install maemos themes and maybe some other stuff, but this far, only the theme setup works. All the other buttons just closes it and shows no output in terminal... | 12:15 |
| AStorm | and 2 papers, one handwriting recog. app, two presentations | 12:15 |
| AStorm | :P | 12:15 |
| Meizirkki | it's about Mer (i always forgot to mention) | 12:15 |
| AStorm | so, I'm doomed | 12:16 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: you do shell script? | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | i have plenty of stuff for you to work on then :P | 12:16 |
| Meizirkki | i can try | 12:16 |
| AStorm | heck, forgot to add IT project management | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | dpkg -i *themes-os08-12pt-0.1-1.deb looks weird though | 12:17 |
| AStorm | another exam | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: add on top of that part-time work and having to think about masters thesis :P | 12:17 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps, so, be happy, I'm more doomed than you | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | yup, you are | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:17 |
| AStorm | well, Add to that finding a job :P | 12:17 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: wget doenloads something like html%kjfkldshfjkgjksghjklsghlökhgf%themes-os08-12pt-0.1-1.deb so i had to add the * | 12:17 |
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| AStorm | and engineer paper soon :> | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: scary | 12:18 |
| AStorm | also, it's very cold out there and I can't get myself to move ass outside | 12:19 |
| AStorm | yet have to | 12:19 |
| AStorm | drat | 12:19 |
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| AStorm | hopefully tap water is not frozen | 12:20 |
| AStorm | it's not, hooray! | 12:20 |
| AStorm | :/ | 12:20 |
| Khertan | .... | 12:21 |
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| Khertan | hum ... there is no conf file about where the menu is located ? (i mean the menu used by application, not the main application menu) | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: looks good besides that | 12:22 |
| Meizirkki | thanks :) | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: i -think- there should be one, but im not sure where | 12:22 |
| Khertan | i found things about the statusbar applet ... | 12:22 |
| Khertan | maybe in the theme ? | 12:23 |
| AStorm | wow, 10cm of snow | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-layout-4/rc/gtkmenu.rc points to that it might be | 12:24 |
| Khertan | great thx | 12:24 |
| AStorm | one plus is that I can have coffee conveniently cooled down by placing it outside | 12:24 |
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| Proteous | yuck, cold coffee | 12:27 |
| AStorm | not cold | 12:27 |
| AStorm | just not burning | 12:27 |
| Proteous | heh | 12:27 |
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| Proteous | wonder what new buttery nothingnesses will be revealed at macworld | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | "steve jobs is dying"? | 12:29 |
| AStorm | again? :P | 12:29 |
| Proteous | everyone is dying | 12:29 |
| Proteous | not everyone just spend 1 hour trying to get AC3 decoding working with tversity | 12:30 |
| Khertan | everyone ... it s just a matter of time | 12:30 |
| Proteous | luckly I was finaly graced with success | 12:30 |
| Proteous | man, how did people solve problems before the internet | 12:31 |
| Proteous | maybe there weren't any problems before the internet!! | 12:31 |
| * Khertan withdraw ... and will return to his python code ... | 12:35 | |
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| lardman | Happy New Year all | 12:48 |
| AStorm | Proteous, rotfl | 12:48 |
| AStorm | we used newspapers | 12:48 |
| AStorm | and tv | 12:48 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: ping | 12:56 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: ping | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | morning lardman | 12:58 |
| lardman | hey Stskeeps | 12:58 |
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| Khertan | happy new year lardman | 13:08 |
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| Khertan | ~seen qwerty12 | 13:12 |
| infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@78-86-35-231.zone2.bethere.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 28m 44s ago, saying: 'Nope :)'. | 13:12 |
| Khertan | ~memo | 13:12 |
| Khertan | ;( | 13:13 |
| lardman | hey Khertan, you too | 13:13 |
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| Khertan | so ... i hope disco_stu will read the logs ... :) | 13:16 |
| Khertan | disco_stu : yep i ve compiled glade ... it s run well on the tablette | 13:16 |
| Meizirkki | -o noatime seems to really speed up jaunty .. | 13:16 |
| Meizirkki | nah, maybe i am just dreaming | 13:16 |
| Khertan | it s bit borring as it s require switching windows for everythings ... but it s work | 13:16 |
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| Khertan | disco_stu : and i can send it to you the deb package if you need it ... just send me a mail | 13:18 |
| Khertan | ~seen disco_stu | 13:18 |
| infobot | disco_stu is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 27 messages. Is idling for 4d 2h 52m 25s, last said: 'thx'. | 13:18 |
| AStorm | Meizirkki, noatime will speed up a lot on mmc | 13:20 |
| AStorm | as writes are expensive | 13:21 |
| * AStorm is eager to try latest btrfs with compression | 13:21 | |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: is Mer: linuxrc using -o noatime ? | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: it's the bootmenu item that decides it | 13:28 |
| Khertan | and the first mer beta is planned for when ? ( :) ) | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: when installer is done, auto-startx, firstboot wizard and osso-xterm is compiled :P | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | and it'd be an alpha :) | 13:30 |
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| khertan | i m back | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 13:31 |
| khertan | closed the wrong window :) | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: when installer is done, auto-startx, firstboot wizard and osso-xterm is compiled :P and then it'd be an alpha :) | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | (if you didnt see) | 13:31 |
| khertan | (thx, i ven't see) | 13:32 |
| khertan | installer could not be difficult | 13:32 |
| khertan | firstboot wizard ... could be borring | 13:32 |
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| Stskeeps | installer can be difficult when the kernel lies to us, and says the internal SD card is the external SD, on N810 :) | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | (and vice versa) | 13:33 |
| khertan | hum ... true | 13:34 |
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| khertan | it s a bit like a Palm TX saying it s a lifedrive ... a lifedrive is a TX ... and when firmware update come all was Palm TX ... or Treo650 saying it s a Treo680 and a 680 saying ... hum nothing :) | 13:35 |
| khertan | every device lies ... look at browser user agent ... | 13:36 |
| khertan | :) | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:36 |
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| Stskeeps | in mer it's also interesting cos we have seperated the hildon desktop code and its "theme" | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | so you can do desktop layout changes | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | so people can experiment | 13:38 |
| khertan | yep it could be really interessting | 13:38 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps, you can detect which is internal | 13:38 |
| AStorm | from sysfs | 13:38 |
| AStorm | :) | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: you'd think so, but it actually lies to us | 13:38 |
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| Stskeeps | that's exactly where we got it | 13:38 |
| AStorm | no, really | 13:38 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not kidding either | 13:39 |
| AStorm | check chip params :) | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok, but slot_name lies to us :P | 13:39 |
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| khertan | or just test case ... if RX44==True : .... elif RX34==True : .... elif RX48==True : ... elif RX51==True : .... | 13:40 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps, yes, check name | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:40 |
| AStorm | slot_name was fixed in the later linux-omap | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | ah, so there was actually a bug, interesting | 13:41 |
| khertan | i see that there is a sysbit driver for n8x0 ... | 13:41 |
| khertan | do you know which vga adaptater use this chipset ? | 13:42 |
| AStorm | huh? | 13:42 |
| khertan | ? | 13:42 |
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| Stskeeps | sisusb you mean? | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | or something | 13:42 |
| khertan | ah :) yep sysusb | 13:42 |
| AStorm | sisusb is obviously for sis usb terminal | 13:43 |
| AStorm | nice thing, 800x600 | 13:43 |
| khertan | ? | 13:43 |
| AStorm | it looks like a usb monitor | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | think it's usb->vga converter too | 13:44 |
| AStorm | hm, yes | 13:44 |
| AStorm | there are two such devices | 13:45 |
| AStorm | still, no reason to use it with n8x0 | 13:45 |
| AStorm | no full hd for you either way :P | 13:45 |
| khertan | there is reason ... | 13:47 |
| khertan | for me ... | 13:47 |
| khertan | making prototype application and for demo | 13:48 |
| khertan | if only nobounds was true .... and not an hoax ... | 13:50 |
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| bakarat_ | is there a way to have maemo mapper recalculate a route if you stray from the previous one? | 13:52 |
| bakarat_ | (provided that i have downloaded the necessary maps) | 13:52 |
| AStorm | not | 13:53 |
| AStorm | the routes aren't calculated at all | 13:53 |
| bakarat_ | is there any reason why not? | 13:53 |
| AStorm | just downloaded | 13:53 |
| bakarat_ | o | 13:53 |
| bakarat_ | ah, he doesn't calculate on local maps? | 13:53 |
| bakarat_ | from where does he download? | 13:53 |
| AStorm | I think someone could make it grab a new one to the same destination | 13:53 |
| AStorm | some server being a proxy to google maps | 13:53 |
| AStorm | :> | 13:53 |
| bakarat_ | o | 13:53 |
| bakarat_ | damn | 13:54 |
| bakarat_ | any work being done on integrating their own algoritm? | 13:54 |
| AStorm | huhwha? | 13:54 |
| bakarat_ | i mean to search routes | 13:54 |
| AStorm | well, mapper uses bitmap maps | 13:54 |
| AStorm | so searching on them is impossible | 13:55 |
| bakarat_ | mapper has no idea about streets? | 13:55 |
| bakarat_ | crap | 13:55 |
| AStorm | yup | 13:55 |
| bakarat_ | is such information also not available from openstreetmaps? | 13:55 |
| AStorm | I think someone worked on using vector data from openstreet | 13:55 |
| AStorm | but it means a major redesign of mapper either way | 13:55 |
| lardman | bakarat_: we started looking at doing off line routing, but I at least have been busy with other things | 13:55 |
| bakarat_ | lardman, ah | 13:56 |
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| AStorm | it was to be my second project, after dreadful handwriting recognition | 13:56 |
| lardman | bakarat_: you might try onion's fork of maemo-mapper, it downloads rendered images to display, but can also use a local osm db for searching, etc | 13:56 |
| AStorm | hmm, nice | 13:56 |
| AStorm | can it do online route updates? | 13:57 |
| bakarat_ | lardman, happen to have a link? :> | 13:57 |
| AStorm | (well, if mapper could... that'd be great) | 13:57 |
| lardman | the idea we were thinking of was to write a stand-alone server for the images & route, to use osm (for example); avoiding changes to maemo-mapper itself | 13:57 |
| AStorm | heh | 13:57 |
| lardman | AStorm: not sure, I've not tried if for a long time | 13:57 |
| AStorm | what about abusing google some more? | 13:58 |
| bakarat_ | howso AStorm ? | 13:58 |
| AStorm | say, when gps strays more than x from route, redownload | 13:58 |
| AStorm | bakarat, still a change to mapper | 13:58 |
| lardman | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:Onion/Mapper | 13:58 |
| bakarat_ | lardman, thanks | 13:59 |
| lardman | np | 13:59 |
| bakarat_ | AStorm, the whole problem (for me) is that i don't have connectivity on the road | 13:59 |
| bakarat_ | that's why i would need offline route finding | 13:59 |
| AStorm | well :P | 13:59 |
| AStorm | you have it | 13:59 |
| AStorm | but not fixing it | 13:59 |
| lardman | In truth none of the free info sources are that reliable; I'd be tempted to pay for the built-in map app licence or to use gprs for route updates while online; at least in the short term | 14:00 |
| bakarat_ | osm itself has street-information yes? | 14:00 |
| bakarat_ | (that we can access) | 14:00 |
| lardman | but certainly it's interesting, and I'd like to get it working so that at some point in the future it could be used | 14:00 |
| AStorm | yes, although incomplete :) | 14:00 |
| AStorm | esp. incomplete in my country | 14:01 |
| bakarat_ | AStorm, incomplete as in not every town in africa is mapped? :D | 14:01 |
| lardman | no, as in Northampton isn't mapped | 14:01 |
| AStorm | :P | 14:01 |
| bakarat_ | damn :| | 14:01 |
| lardman | depends where you are/go, but the fact some bits are missing is not ideal | 14:01 |
| AStorm | or most of Poland (except main transit routes) | 14:01 |
| bakarat_ | and i guess google maps and consorts don't hand out the street info? | 14:02 |
| bakarat_ | (or is that incomplete as well?) | 14:02 |
| AStorm | complete, but propietary | 14:02 |
| AStorm | so, no, you can't have it | 14:02 |
| bakarat_ | dammit :( | 14:02 |
| AStorm | and we can't even have partial vector data | 14:03 |
| AStorm | maybe.. maybe from hybrid maps | 14:03 |
| bakarat_ | gah, why can't the world be a happy place where everyone shares :P | 14:05 |
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| AStorm | because there's no money in that | 14:05 |
| AStorm | :P | 14:05 |
| bakarat_ | pff google is rich enough | 14:05 |
| bakarat_ | :p | 14:05 |
| AStorm | no, sorry | 14:05 |
| bakarat_ | :> | 14:05 |
| AStorm | publically owned company | 14:06 |
| AStorm | these can never be rich enough | 14:06 |
| lardman | well it's sort of going that way, but not there yet (the sharing bit) | 14:06 |
| Jaffa | lardman: pong | 14:07 |
| lardman | hey Jaffa | 14:07 |
| lardman | was just going to touch base and see when the meeting will be?# | 14:08 |
| Jaffa | Which one? debmaster or sprint? | 14:08 |
| lardman | debmaster | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | would debmaster assist community too btw? | 14:09 |
| Jaffa | As opposed to assisting who? | 14:09 |
| Jaffa | It's a community assistant role :-) | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | i dunno, i read over the position rather quickly back then :) thought it said assist nokia as well or something :P | 14:09 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Did you see my email yesterday at 15:21, suggesting no meeting needed ;-) | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: btw heads up - gconf2 in repository is horridly broken right now until i figure out how to deal with odd debian packaging :P | 14:11 |
| lardman | Jaffa: ah, emails | 14:11 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: yes probably after I pinged you, have to trawl through ~300 emails | 14:12 |
| AStorm | see, debian packaging is odd | 14:12 |
| AStorm | it should die | 14:12 |
| Jaffa | lardman: ah - you should get some kind of Internet tablet ;-) | 14:12 |
| lardman | lol | 14:12 |
| AStorm | get a mail filter | 14:12 |
| AStorm | I had one | 14:13 |
| lardman | I need one with an always on connection as lots of my hols were spent with no wifi | 14:13 |
| AStorm | makes life really easy | 14:13 |
| Jaffa | lardman: roll on RX-51 | 14:13 |
| lardman | indeed :) | 14:13 |
| AStorm | I want one already | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: some things make me want to bash my head against something, admittedly. but im not sure if other things are better :P | 14:13 |
| AStorm | :P | 14:13 |
| lcuk | NOOOO dont roll on it, you might damage the screen | 14:13 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps, ebuilds are | 14:13 |
| lardman | lcuk: :p | 14:13 |
| * AStorm hides | 14:13 | |
| Stskeeps | .. | 14:13 |
| lcuk | morning chaps and chaps in dresses | 14:14 |
| lardman | how did you know? | 14:14 |
| AStorm | hahaha | 14:14 |
| lardman | I thought the web cam was off! | 14:14 |
| AStorm | you have been hax0r3d | 14:14 |
| lcuk | web cam was, but you left your nokia one enabled. | 14:15 |
| lcuk | we could only tell when you got it out of your handbag though | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | does n810 camera show it's on? :P | 14:15 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa, lardman: btw, you might want to be a bit more active in the debmaster selection. We probably lost the first month of actual work already.. | 14:15 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps, no, kernel can flash a red led | 14:15 |
| lcuk | yeah but lardman is used to red lights nearby | 14:15 |
| AStorm | but it's possible to disable that | 14:15 |
| lardman | X-Fade: yeah I know | 14:15 |
| AStorm | thus, he's been rooted | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:16 |
| AStorm | (s)he's | 14:16 |
| lcuk | who wants lunch today then, and should i spring for bacon butties all round? | 14:16 |
| * RST38h moss neutrally | 14:16 | |
| RST38h | moos, mhm | 14:16 |
| AStorm | lcuk, ....... damn | 14:16 |
| lcuk | back in a mo | 14:17 |
| AStorm | I have to move my a** and buy something | 14:17 |
| AStorm | clean this place up etc. | 14:17 |
| AStorm | heck :/ | 14:17 |
| AStorm | and nobody to do it for me | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: i had to drag myself outside this morning too | 14:18 |
| AStorm | I'm trying since 3h | 14:18 |
| AStorm | ago | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | i managed after snoozing my alarm for an hour for 4 hours | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:18 |
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| AStorm | meh, I'll better move | 14:19 |
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| Stskeeps | you know its money when you trip a cable under your desk and suddenly your mouse starts flying.. | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | monday | 14:26 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: decisions are being made as we speak | 14:41 |
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| w00t_ | Stskeeps: i want a flying mouse. | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | i would be perfectly happy with a hoverboard. | 14:48 |
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| fauxmight | Stskeeps: Is mer using Maemo's kernel or linux-omap? | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | fauxmight: right now? maemo kernel, but solca said linux-omap works too | 15:05 |
| fauxmight | Where's the /dev/ list from? How'd you get a real /dev/dsp (does that work yet?) | 15:05 |
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| Stskeeps | no, didn't touch dsp stuff yet, but it's fairly easy once you have dsp loader compiled (OSS) and the dsp tasks | 15:06 |
| fauxmight | thanks | 15:06 |
| fauxmight | i'm the gentoo guy (normally christendoc) -- trying to switch to the initfs loading method. | 15:07 |
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| lcuk | murrayc, heh @ telepathy, theres not much that can be done - the operations are network based and having delays encountered when using synchronous code is much worse | 15:07 |
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| murrayc | lcuk: Or you could read what I said in my blog post. | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | fauxmight: yeah, i noticed - solca's kexec stuff is moving closer though | 15:08 |
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| lcuk | i did | 15:10 |
| murrayc | So we have | 15:11 |
| murrayc | 1. D-Bus makes normall-sync things async. | 15:11 |
| murrayc | That's solvable by not using, though there are less drastic ways to improve things there too. | 15:12 |
| murrayc | 2. Runtime API detection makes extra steps. | 15:12 |
| murrayc | That's solvable by requiring components to implement specific API, so the equivalent of static typing can be used. | 15:12 |
| wjt | 1. not using d-bus, and having everything in-process, would negate the whole point of telepathy | 15:12 |
| murrayc | 3. There are lots of little steps done together that seems like just one action. | 15:13 |
| murrayc | That can be improved by making less async operations by hiding the steps, as TpContact does. | 15:13 |
| wjt | 2. is true, but backwards compatibility means we can't just mandate things implement new API | 15:14 |
| murrayc | wjt: It would negate some of the design rationales, such as cross-language and letting-components-crash. It wouldn't negate the whole point - which is to do IM and real-time communication with multiple protocosl. | 15:14 |
| murrayc | wjt: Yes, that's hard. | 15:14 |
| wjt | murrayc: we already have a C library for that, it's called libpurple | 15:14 |
| wjt | murrayc: part of the attraction of telepathy is to allow various applications to reuse the IM connectivity | 15:15 |
| murrayc | For what? | 15:15 |
| fauxmight | Stskeeps: just looking at the filesystem (haven't booted it). Once booted is gui or cli functional right now? (Does it boot as is?) | 15:15 |
| wjt | for IM and RT communication with multiple protocols | 15:15 |
| murrayc | wjt: Yes, but that can still be done with a C API. Just as many applications can use the same database server via a C API. | 15:15 |
| murrayc | wjt: I'm not suggesting that it should be done. It's far too far along, of courtse. | 15:15 |
| wjt | and they have to make asynchronous calls to that database | 15:15 |
| wjt | or risk blocking the UI | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | fauxmight: boots as-is with deblet bootmenu.d and a linuxrc-using .item | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | if you're speaking of mer | 15:16 |
| murrayc | wjt: But only the long/slow things are async. | 15:16 |
| fauxmight | yes | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | there's coming a installer and such up soon though | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | which does the boring work | 15:16 |
| fauxmight | When I've got some free space on a sdcard I'll get it going. | 15:16 |
| murrayc | wjt: Unfortunately many of the benefits of a C library (or C++, ideally) would only be there if you could do static typing (No runtime API detection). | 15:16 |
| wjt | murrayc: in the presence of, eg, the kernel swapping things out, you can't reliably guess what will be slow. and, we're spending a lot of time reducing the number of roundtrips needed to do things | 15:17 |
| lcuk | databases are bad example because theres many types and sometimes async sometimes not, but theres no such thing as syncronous smtp (for example) | 15:17 |
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| murrayc | wjt: That sounds like it would be less of a problem without using separate component processes. | 15:17 |
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| wjt | anyway. | 15:18 |
| Robot101 | murrayc: tp-glib *is* a static typed C library. the places where excessive type variance show u, or you're exposed to multiple interfaces for the same job, are places in our API where we need to do more work | 15:18 |
| murrayc | I think the wait_until_ready() calls really annoy me. | 15:19 |
| Robot101 | yeah, don't call that. | 15:19 |
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| Robot101 | hook to the ready signal and go back into the mainloop | 15:19 |
| wjt | Robot101: equally, call_when_ready is a bit annoying | 15:19 |
| Robot101 | the re-entrant faux blocking was a mistake | 15:19 |
| wjt | i don't dispute for a moment that writing async code in C is a pain | 15:19 |
| murrayc | Robot101: It's not static-typed in the way I mean. I can't just cast to an interface (at build time) and expect it to work at compile time. | 15:19 |
| Robot101 | maybe we should just rip it out and do an ABI bump | 15:19 |
| lcuk | wjt, technically writing async in any language is annoying | 15:20 |
| murrayc | Robot101: The faux blocking seems to be not working due to a) bugs in D-Bus and b) aspects of the D-Bus design, such as lack of method sequence guarantees. | 15:20 |
| wjt | lcuk: in better languages you can construct better abstractions | 15:20 |
| Robot101 | what?! | 15:21 |
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| wjt | d-bus absolutely *does* guarantee message ordering | 15:21 |
| Robot101 | d-bus does have /message/ sequence guarantees, but the services can return methods in a different order to what they were called in | 15:21 |
| bakarat_ | has the gps first fix time been upgraded with the diablo release? | 15:21 |
| lcuk | wjt, fact still remains async is harder on the greymatter than sync | 15:21 |
| wjt | one of the big problems with faking sync calls is that they reorder messages, thus breaking that guarantee | 15:21 |
| murrayc | wjt: Sorry. I knew I'd get that sentence wrong. What I meant was "that stuff that smcv or you or someone said in that email that I didnt' take the time to actually parse fully". | 15:21 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: yeah, but threading is /harder/ | 15:21 |
| wjt | Robot101: (in C) | 15:22 |
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| murrayc | Threading is indeed even worse. | 15:22 |
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| Robot101 | wjt: yes, lets all use message-passing erlang concurrency and stuff :) | 15:22 |
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| Robot101 | murrayc: that stuff is what makes blocking stuff totally broken | 15:22 |
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| murrayc | telepathy-glib would be easier with sigc::slot and C++isms, and hopefully it is in the Qt binding. Then you just have the logic to worry about. In C you have the memory management to worry about too. | 15:23 |
| murrayc | Robot101: So, the lack of a nice semi-async blocking API _is_ down to the use of D-Bus rather than the async nature of things in general. | 15:23 |
| Robot101 | semi-async blocking? | 15:24 |
| murrayc | "faux blocking". | 15:24 |
| murrayc | You know what I mean. | 15:24 |
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| Robot101 | I think its a problem inherent in IPC | 15:24 |
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| Robot101 | you call a method | 15:24 |
| Robot101 | it crosses over with a message which says "foobar is offline/dead/buried/whatever" | 15:25 |
| wjt | Right, I don't think the specific IPC mechanism is what makes this hard | 15:25 |
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| Robot101 | then you get a reply telling you "the thing you asked for is gone now" | 15:25 |
| * lcuk just uses state transitions with network protocols (and async things in general) | 15:25 | |
| Robot101 | if you re-order messages, you fuck this up | 15:25 |
| Robot101 | any kind of blocking implies message re-ordering | 15:25 |
| lcuk | anyway, back later | 15:25 |
| Robot101 | or you're threading in your client side app and have to unwind ongoing calls when you get the signal in the middle | 15:26 |
| murrayc | Why does blocking imply reordering? I'm not saying it doesn't. I haven't a clue. I'm just trying to understand. | 15:26 |
| Robot101 | if your app is single threaded | 15:26 |
| Robot101 | and it's sent a message which calls a method | 15:26 |
| wjt | because if you send message a, then get message b before getting a reply to message a, if you're blocking on the reply to a you either have to drop b or reorder the two | 15:26 |
| Robot101 | and will not proceed in running any code until it's received the reply | 15:26 |
| murrayc | wjt: Ah, I see. | 15:27 |
| Robot101 | then the signal callback for the signal in the middle will not be called until you've got the method reply and carried on with what you were doing, and dropped back into the mainloop | 15:27 |
| Robot101 | or, what he said. :P | 15:27 |
| wjt | that's not a design *flaw* per se | 15:27 |
| murrayc | Yeah. | 15:27 |
| Robot101 | it's not a d-bus problem, it's because there is a bidirectional queue of events. we can try and do something at the same time as the world shifting beneath our feet. | 15:27 |
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| murrayc | So threads seem necessary to allow this faux blocking. | 15:28 |
| murrayc | That of course would be hugely complex. | 15:28 |
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| Robot101 | yup | 15:29 |
| wjt | in a language like C, yes :) | 15:29 |
| Robot101 | so, we end up with async callbacks | 15:29 |
| Meiz__n810 | no-one @ maemo-politics? | 15:29 |
| Meiz__n810 | :P | 15:29 |
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| murrayc | I wonder if message reordering is a significant problem if your (blocking) methods can be guaranteed (by spec) to finish very quickly. | 15:30 |
| Robot101 | yes | 15:30 |
| Robot101 | it's nothing to do with the time | 15:30 |
| murrayc | It seems that people do block for D-Bus property gets. | 15:30 |
| wjt | they shouldn't | 15:30 |
| Robot101 | people = davidz? :D | 15:31 |
| Robot101 | it's to do with events which are, essentially, simultaneous | 15:31 |
| murrayc | Yeah. And I thought you were doing that in telepathy. Sorry. | 15:31 |
| Robot101 | we've been meaning to ding him about that :) | 15:31 |
| Robot101 | although to be fair, GetAll won't do network traffic in telepathy backends | 15:32 |
| Robot101 | and nor is it meant to fail | 15:32 |
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| wjt | but it could fail, if the object's gone away | 15:32 |
| Robot101 | so in that case, the real implications of blocking GetAll are probably quite slim | 15:32 |
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| wjt | the problem is that it can lead to ridiculously hard-to-reproduce failure cases | 15:33 |
| murrayc | It just seems sometimes silly that we have all this asyncness just for super-quick getter/setters just because of the IPC, when actually the other process is on the same PC and the call isn't causing any additional IO. | 15:33 |
| wjt | the other process might not be | 15:33 |
| wjt | we're plotting to do a thing to forward connections from another machine, so you could do something better than irssi-in-screen | 15:33 |
| Robot101 | murrayc: as a general design principle, we're trying to bundle the "ensure the state is up to date and being tracked" round trips (as few as possible) with the slow part (eg request this new channel) | 15:34 |
| murrayc | Robot101: Cool. | 15:34 |
| Robot101 | murrayc: so you go from request a channel to a working and live channel object, without intermediate steps | 15:34 |
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| Robot101 | which is necessarily async, but the "yawn yawn why does this have to be async too ready what life is hard go away" is just done for you | 15:35 |
| murrayc | Robot101: I also like the technique used in TpContact, of it doing lots of work and just telling me when it has stuff for me. | 15:35 |
| Robot101 | yeah | 15:35 |
| Robot101 | that's what it's /meant/ to be like, we've just not had enough monkeys on tp-glib thus far :) | 15:35 |
| wjt | it doesn't help that we're kind of half-way between being really round-trip happy and the future | 15:35 |
| Robot101 | there's code in libempathy which does some of this which we're gradually hoping to drain into libtelepathy-glib, and/or delete/rewrite | 15:35 |
| wjt | a concerted effort to upgrade all the old CMs would help | 15:36 |
| murrayc | Yeah, I know you are doing all kinds of things. I don't mean to criticize unfairly. | 15:36 |
| wjt | (he says, having not hacked on haze in forever...) | 15:36 |
| murrayc | It would be nice to have that new telepathy-glib crasher fixed though. | 15:37 |
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| fishmonkey | is there any way to draw over an overlay (specifically xvimagesink) or to clear it or hide it or something? | 16:19 |
| AstralSt | uhm, no | 16:20 |
| AstralSt | at least if the overlay is hardware | 16:20 |
| AstralSt | which it isn't really right now | 16:20 |
| AstralSt | or you could just draw some unkeyed color | 16:20 |
| fishmonkey | hmm.. it's because I've got an xvimagesink which I want to pause and then draw some things and then unpause, which works ok if I block the sink pad, except it continues to display the last frame it rendered, and even when I sent an expose event it's still there | 16:25 |
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| AstralSt | it's an overlay after all | 16:25 |
| fishmonkey | interestingly it works on my PC, but not on the N800 | 16:25 |
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| AstralSt | you'd have to draw over all the canvas | 16:25 |
| fishmonkey | how do you do that? | 16:25 |
| AstralSt | uhm... using the GTK? | 16:26 |
| AstralSt | or whatever you're drawing it with | 16:26 |
| fishmonkey | when I draw anything it draws behind it | 16:27 |
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| lcuk | the hint is in the overlay ;) | 16:28 |
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| johnx | fishmonkey, what kind of thing are you trying to draw? mplayer for example draws is OSD into the overlay itself | 16:29 |
| lcuk | johnx, with gstreamer you cant really do that without making a new filter | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | afternoon johnx | 16:30 |
| johnx | ah, didn't know gstreamer was part of it | 16:30 |
| johnx | hey Stskeeps | 16:30 |
| fishmonkey | It's drawing an image | 16:30 |
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| fishmonkey | is there anyway to stop the overlay overlaying. or something | 16:32 |
| AstralSt | well, apparently Xv in maemo is broken | 16:32 |
| AstralSt | as lcuk noticed himself ;P | 16:32 |
| fishmonkey | oh | 16:32 |
| AstralSt | it should be possible to draw over an overlay | 16:32 |
| lcuk | xv WORKS in maemo, nothing else is as fast | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: how do i make sanely transition from libgconf2-4 to libgconf2-6? there's obviously packages depending on libgconf2-4 >= some version | 16:32 |
| AstralSt | works, but not entirely up to spec | 16:32 |
| AstralSt | ;) | 16:32 |
| lcuk | whats missing? | 16:32 |
| AstralSt | overlaying an overlay | 16:32 |
| lcuk | but the "overlay" is simply the latest data sent to the LCD, if that last bit happens to overlay the overlay it works | 16:33 |
| lcuk | i think | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: funny stats, debian beta3 was downloaded 25 times in december | 16:33 |
| lcuk | thats why i can get the menu ontop of liqbase ;) | 16:33 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I think Debian does things like this by just breaking the repo for a while. Just put in libgconf2-6 and then start rebuilding everything | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | from my mirror | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, except that's not so easy.. | 16:33 |
| AstralSt | wait wait | 16:33 |
| AstralSt | is that menu normal Xlib? | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: try a apt-get rdepends libgconf2-4 :) | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | er | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | apt-cache rdepends libgconf2-4 | 16:34 |
| lcuk | i dunno, but when i embedded liqbase XV overlay into a GTK windiw the gtk drawing operations were overlaying my overlay | 16:34 |
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| * johnx pulls out a device running mer. one sec | 16:35 | |
| lcuk | anyway, im not here right now | 16:35 |
| lcuk | bbl | 16:35 |
| RST38bis | you will not fool us! | 16:35 |
| RST38bis | ;] | 16:35 |
| AstralSt | lcuk: which is actually correct :) | 16:35 |
| AstralSt | as long as you weren't drawing the "key color" | 16:35 |
| RST38bis | btw, a new bug in modest | 16:35 |
| AstralSt | that should be replaced by the overlay | 16:36 |
| fishmonkey | doesn't work no matter what color I draw it in | 16:36 |
| fishmonkey | weirldly it used to work | 16:36 |
| fishmonkey | now it doesn't | 16:37 |
| RST38bis | modest started forgetting my gmail address | 16:37 |
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| kost-bebix | Hi everyone! I've got a small problem. ssh client on my n810 stopped working properly recently. It says "no route to host". iptables seemed normal. Does anyone knows what's wrong?) | 16:39 |
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| johnx | kost-bebix, can you ping the host or wget from it on the tablet? | 16:39 |
| kost-bebix | johnx: no, can't ping it | 16:39 |
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| johnx | do other network connections work? | 16:40 |
| johnx | can you connect to other hosts on the same network? on the internet? | 16:40 |
| kost-bebix | johnx: internet works great. But I can't ping another one or ssh to it at my home wifi or my work wifi network | 16:41 |
| RST38bis | oh shit pop3 accounts no longer seem to work | 16:42 |
| RST38bis | wonderful | 16:42 |
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| johnx | RST38bis, pop3 accounts never "worked" IMHO | 16:42 |
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| RST38bis | they did as of 31.12.08 | 16:42 |
| johnx | RST38bis, I mean in general. switch to imap. call it a new year's resolution | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: see why it might be a problem? :> | 16:43 |
| RST38bis | and I have a record of that | 16:43 |
| johnx | kost-bebix, can you ping the gateway | 16:43 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, sorry, got distracted for a sec. looking now | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | kost-bebix: try disabling power savings | 16:43 |
| RST38bis | johnx: server does not support imap. imap is a piece of shit. | 16:43 |
| RST38bis | johnx: I wonder if modest will ever be fixed though | 16:44 |
| * aquatix uses imap with claws-mail | 16:44 | |
| Stskeeps | same here. works fine :) | 16:44 |
| aquatix | modest is way too slow with my box | 16:45 |
| kost-bebix | johnx: yep, I can ping gateway | 16:45 |
| johnx | kost-bebix, but not other things on the same network? | 16:45 |
| AstralSt | modest works ok here | 16:45 |
| AstralSt | including pop3 | 16:45 |
| AstralSt | maybe it's port-filtered | 16:45 |
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| * aquatix only uses his (fairly huge) imap4 mailbox with a lot of folders | 16:45 | |
| aquatix | on which modest almost barfs | 16:46 |
| kost-bebix | johnx: I can ping machines connected wired, but I can't ping other wireless machines | 16:46 |
| AstralSt | well, it works fairly well vs my overfilled gmail | 16:46 |
| AstralSt | it dls only new messages, unlike claws-mail | 16:46 |
| AstralSt | which tries to download a list of everything | 16:46 |
| AstralSt | esp. things I have to scroll 10 pages to reach | 16:46 |
| AstralSt | :P | 16:46 |
| johnx | kost-bebix, I would do like Stskeeps says and try disabling wifi power saving. it's at least good to make sure that's not the problem :) | 16:46 |
| AstralSt | power saving problem would block http too | 16:47 |
| AstralSt | it sounds like a fascist network more than anything else | 16:47 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, do you mean it's a problem in terms of breaking compatibility with ubuntu packages? | 16:47 |
| AstralSt | even secured against ping tunnels ;P | 16:48 |
| RST38bis | when i click to update pop3 account nothing happens | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: yeah, :P | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | as in, most of gnome | 16:48 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, well, we already can't install gnome because of gnomevfs | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | when it is a drop-in replacement, it seems | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | it's same problem though isn't it? | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | new package name, drop in replacement | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | for both ossognomevfs and libgconf2-4 | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | and packages depending on it with versions | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | i guess we can make a transitional package | 16:50 |
| johnx | I wonder how drop-in they really are... | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | one that has the proper version and actually depends on libgconf2-6 or something | 16:50 |
| johnx | I mean in terms of API/ABI | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | we'll see :P | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | libgconf2-6 is needed for maemo binaries at least | 16:51 |
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| alterego | brb | 16:52 |
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| Meizirkki | w00t! http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10130690-64.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5 | 16:52 |
| johnx | heh, as ugly as it is, a fake empty package called libgconf2-4 that depends on libgconf2-6 seems like the least bad way to deal with this | 16:52 |
| kost-bebix | johnx: yep, looks like it's a wifi bridge's problem | 16:52 |
| johnx | yeah, Meizirkki, seems like 2009/2010 may be pretty interesting, huh? :D | 16:52 |
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| Meizirkki | yep | 16:53 |
| Meizirkki | i have been waitin for this :P (ARM-laptops) | 16:53 |
| RST38bis | hmmmmm.... last modest update somehow broke pop3 account config - recreated it and all is fine so far | 16:53 |
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| johnx | Meizirkki, me too. I'm looking forward to a beagle for silent video playback actually, and hopefully a nice ARM board to use as a file server. will be wonderful for power consumption | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | i probably have to think about power saving too if i move to poland.. a beagleboard and some usb enclosures might work :P | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | or a mmc card :P | 16:55 |
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| johnx | I really don't like usb drives for important stuff. had too many bad experiences :/ | 16:55 |
| johnx | hard drives are sketchy enough without adding another layer or adapting/converting to the interface | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 16:56 |
| johnx | saw a nice ARM board with some PCI slots and a couple sata ports too. probably really expensive though :/ | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | i'll try transitional packages later today to clean up the mess, im off to bus now :P | 16:57 |
| johnx | ok :) | 16:58 |
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| moontiger | hey guys :) | 16:58 |
| moontiger | does anybody know if the n810 rotation support works with the latest SSU? | 16:59 |
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| lardman | hmm, omweather's not downloading, is this a known issue? | 17:04 |
| aquatix | it worked this morning for me | 17:04 |
| aquatix | did you update it recently? | 17:04 |
| aquatix | maybe restart tablet | 17:04 |
| lardman | no updates, perhaps a network issue on my end, I'll do some looking when I get a minute | 17:05 |
| AstralSt | there was an update recently | 17:06 |
| AstralSt | as weather.com changed something | 17:06 |
| AstralSt | maybe you've missed it | 17:06 |
| moontiger | lardman have you tried forca weather? | 17:07 |
| lardman | AstralSt: could be, thanks | 17:07 |
| lardman | moontiger: yep, that works fine | 17:07 |
| moontiger | yah i use that now | 17:07 |
| lardman | I'm still undecided, I like the longer term predictions, though OM seems to say fog a lot more than Forca | 17:08 |
| lcuk | feel...brains...melting... | 17:08 |
| lardman | you have more than one? | 17:08 |
| lardman | :) | 17:09 |
| lcuk | not any more | 17:09 |
| lcuk | how was your xmas break then lardman ? | 17:09 |
| AstralSt | I'd like an app using new.meteo.pl :> | 17:09 |
| AstralSt | if someone could access the raw data they use for their plots... that would be awesome | 17:10 |
| AstralSt | these are very precise | 17:10 |
| AstralSt | obviously, for Poland ;P | 17:10 |
| lardman | lcuk: not bad, not much time with computers (good and bad) | 17:10 |
| aquatix | :) | 17:10 |
| lcuk | there will be snowfall over number 22, with a 43% chance of rain at 23 | 17:10 |
| AstralSt | though they predict some parts of Europe too | 17:10 |
| moontiger | hehe not much use for ppl outside of poland huh? | 17:10 |
| lcuk | lardman, thats a good thing, i hope you spent time with near n dear :) | 17:11 |
| lardman | lcuk: yep :); and how was yours? | 17:11 |
| moontiger | <--- lives in madrid now | 17:11 |
| AstralSt | it does predict for Madrid too | 17:11 |
| lcuk | AstralSt, you mean "there will be some of europe over there tomorrow" | 17:11 |
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| AstralSt | and other european capitals | 17:11 |
| lcuk | lardman, tiring tbh, tried lots of things | 17:11 |
| lcuk | bbl | 17:11 |
| moontiger | AstralSt, i use forca | 17:11 |
| AstralSt | well, not Madrid, hmm | 17:12 |
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| AstralSt | most of central and eastern europe | 17:12 |
| moontiger | i have forca on my fone too and it works pretty well | 17:12 |
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| AstralSt | well, omweather is fine here, haven't tried forca yet | 17:13 |
| AstralSt | where can I get that? | 17:13 |
| moontiger | its in the repos afaik | 17:13 |
| AstralSt | mhm | 17:14 |
| AstralSt | what are the main selling points over omweather? | 17:14 |
| moontiger | smaller and easier to use and works | 17:15 |
| AstralSt | hmm, smaller? | 17:15 |
| moontiger | yah om is rather large imo | 17:15 |
| AstralSt | I like the 6 day forecast | 17:15 |
| moontiger | forca has a 5 day | 17:16 |
| AstralSt | uhm, right, 5 day + now | 17:16 |
| AstralSt | :) | 17:16 |
| moontiger | for "now" i look out of the window | 17:16 |
| moontiger | :) | 17:16 |
| AstralSt | out of the window is inaccurate if you're inside a building | 17:16 |
| AstralSt | and there's no window around ;P | 17:16 |
| johnx | also if you want to know the weather in a different city :P | 17:17 |
| AstralSt | yup | 17:17 |
| johnx | though sadly my exact area isn't covered: I'm ~15k away from the closest city and it's probably 3-4C colder here on average | 17:17 |
| aquatix | johnx: sooo, no problem then? :) | 17:18 |
| aquatix | you know the conversion ;) | 17:18 |
| johnx | heh :P | 17:18 |
| * aquatix has the same issue | 17:18 | |
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| aquatix | that city lies between my home town and the city i work, so it's not that big an issue | 17:18 |
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| AstralSt | johnx: that's why I'd love to use such forecast like that new.meteo.pl | 17:20 |
| AstralSt | and possibly link it with GPS data :) | 17:21 |
| AstralSt | it has 4km precision | 17:21 |
| aquatix | doesn't weather underground use data from new.meteo.pl or something? | 17:21 |
| aquatix | they have a lot of sources iir | 17:21 |
| aquatix | *iirc | 17:22 |
| AstralSt | (although only 2d forecast time) | 17:22 |
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| AstralSt | while their alternate (IMO less precise) COAMPS model has 4d forecast length and 13km precision | 17:23 |
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| AstralSt | I'd love to work at that mainframe... | 17:25 |
| AstralSt | actually, a large cluster | 17:25 |
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| aquatix | AstralSt: :) | 17:27 |
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| AstralSt | but they don't take "inexperienced people" like myself :P | 17:28 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: Could you upload Mer:s linuxrc somewhere? | 17:31 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: Nevermind | 17:33 |
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| Khertan | Hello again ! | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 17:46 |
| churl1 | good morning all | 17:46 |
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| churl1 | im having trouble getting flasher-3.0 working in ubuntu 8.10. im trying to follow the wiki.maemo.org directions, but i may be making a simple mistake | 17:49 |
| johnx | churl1, mornin'. what problem are you having? | 17:49 |
| AstralSt | like forgetting -f? :) | 17:49 |
| churl1 | no | 17:49 |
| AstralSt | churl1: what options are you using? | 17:49 |
| * qwerty12 makes a note to run sstrip only after dh_shlibdeps | 17:50 | |
| Stslaptop | qwerty12: btw vte builds now, but there's a probable gcc4 problem | 17:50 |
| Stslaptop | as it breaks in compilation | 17:50 |
| churl1 | ./flasher-3.0 -F <newest diablo imaaage> -f -R | 17:51 |
| churl1 | and trying sudo in front of that | 17:51 |
| * Khertan see that mibbit.com really slow down his n810 | 17:51 | |
| qwerty12 | Stslaptop, shitfuck >.<. I'm still liking the idea of vte9 instead... | 17:51 |
| Stslaptop | Khertan: just put xchat on your n810 | 17:51 |
| Stslaptop | its very usable :P | 17:51 |
| qwerty12 | churl1, ./flasher-3.0 -f -F <newest diablo imaaage> -R | 17:51 |
| Khertan | but xchat use the real irc port | 17:52 |
| AstralSt | it's ok, hmm | 17:52 |
| Khertan | which is b:lock by my stupid isp | 17:52 |
| Stslaptop | mm | 17:52 |
| Khertan | sfr sucks | 17:52 |
| AstralSt | Khertan: then use some shell as a jump-off point | 17:52 |
| AstralSt | ssh tunnels rock | 17:52 |
| Khertan | yep ... but my box at home seems down | 17:52 |
| Khertan | (all port is block) | 17:53 |
| AstralSt | NAT at home? | 17:53 |
| Khertan | (only 80 is open) | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: train firewall or? :P | 17:53 |
| AstralSt | hmm, fascist filter | 17:53 |
| AstralSt | then run proxy at port 80 | 17:53 |
| AstralSt | :) | 17:53 |
| churl1 | it says command not found | 17:53 |
| Khertan | yep i m in the train | 17:53 |
| AstralSt | or a DNS tunnel | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | "iodine"? | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:54 |
| Khertan | using a phone data connection | 17:54 |
| churl1 | im making some silly linux mistake, arnt i? | 17:54 |
| Khertan | yep at home i ve also a dns tunnel :) | 17:54 |
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| churl1 | a "monday detail" if you will. | 17:54 |
| Khertan | but my box (an p3 running a debian) seems down ... | 17:55 |
| AstralSt | churl1: try chmod +x ./flasher-3.0 | 17:55 |
| AstralSt | and check if you're in the right dir | 17:55 |
| churl1 | AstralSt: thanks that worked | 17:56 |
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| AstralSt | see, it wasn't set as executable | 17:56 |
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| Khertan2 | huhu i ve a google ads : Nokia is hiring : skilled and motivated professionals to develop the Maemo plateform. | 18:03 |
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| Khertan2 | back ... connection isn t stable due to snow | 18:03 |
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| Khertan2 | bye | 18:06 |
| aquatix | cya | 18:06 |
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| keesj | bye | 18:06 |
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| churl1 | thanks again all for the help!! | 18:07 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone want to respond to Lord Raiden on http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26002 (if no-one has already) | 18:10 |
| Jaffa | <blockquote>What summit?</blockquote> | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, quite out of touch eh :P | 18:11 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: the timeline wiki reference is sufficient i'd say | 18:11 |
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| fiferboy | mikkov_: ping | 18:25 |
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| GAN8001 | X-Fade, as Jaffa says, decisions and discussions are ongoing. | 18:33 |
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| GAN8001 | X-Fade, but it's tough when it's sort of sprung on you without notice right before a holiday. :P | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: transitional package made.. checking how much breaks horridly now | 18:35 |
| johnx | fun fun :) | 18:35 |
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| Stslaptop | probably need to make a v0.5 image after this one :P | 18:37 |
| * qwerty12 updates his system (including scratchbox packages) and makes preparations for obtaining latest mer sdk | 18:38 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: amazingly enough, it doesnt break | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | then again im not sure how much gconf2 hildon-desktop uses | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | Advanced Backlight uses gconf doesnt it? | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | yes | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | doesnt die | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | woo :P | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | now let's see if we can fix gnomevfs too | 18:47 |
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| Stskeeps | having GNOME work alongside wouldn't be a bad thing | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:52 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: around and got a mer partition handy? | 18:54 |
| qwerty12 | ~mer | 18:55 |
| infobot | [mer] http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New and http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint | 18:55 |
| Meizirkki | ?? I spent whole day to install ubuntu-MID and when i booted my tablet o_0 everyhing was gone! But Maemos packages conflict less now??? | 18:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: getting closer and closer, yeah | 18:58 |
| Meizirkki | Wohoo | 18:58 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, I can test :) | 18:58 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade (i just need the output of the packages to be done with) | 18:58 |
| Meizirkki | i would like to test b-man's latest installer... :P | 18:58 |
| johnx | running | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: not the actual upgrade, just what it intends to do :P | 18:58 |
| johnx | gotcha | 18:59 |
| andrewfblack | Just letting it known in here also that I posted my n810 up for trade. itt Link: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254611#post254611 | 18:59 |
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| Meizirkki | Anybody knows where i could get b-man:s latest Mer installer? | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | lemme see if i can find it in logs. | 19:00 |
| RST38h | iPhone. Hehe. | 19:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: -possibly- http://rapidshare.com/files/179521540/merinstaller.deb.html | 19:01 |
| andrewfblack | RST38h must be a laugh at my post | 19:01 |
| RST38h | Yep. | 19:01 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: do you know why Mer breaks less now..? i can tell you. | 19:01 |
| Meizirkki | Just because i just reflashed my tablet and destroyed my mer partition. | 19:01 |
| andrewfblack | RST38h I would take an old dell pda at this point lol | 19:01 |
| Meizirkki | now it will take soooo long before i get Mer running again | 19:02 |
| RST38h | andrew: this would be even funnier in fact | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: hehe :P | 19:02 |
| RST38h | andrew: because you would still get the same problem as with NIT + totally screwed up excuse for an OS | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully we'll get to a point where we just flash the internal flash instead | 19:02 |
| johnx | http://rafb.net/p/iQpaI919.html | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: no "removed"? | 19:03 |
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| johnx | no removed :) | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | (is gconf2-common installed) | 19:03 |
| andrewfblack | RST38h that is true but atleast it would be a little easy to check movie times and look something up real quick | 19:03 |
| johnx | that's the whole output | 19:03 |
| johnx | it's installed | 19:03 |
| RST38h | andrew: Not really, as it comes with IE Mobile | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: hm. | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: hang on a couple of seconds while mer6 builds | 19:04 |
| RST38h | andrew: You can complain about MicroB as much as you wish, but it is nothing compared to the horrors of IE Mobile=) | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: which emu was it that was yours? | 19:04 |
| andrewfblack | RST38h I'm not complaining about microB its the whole device in all. I'm not even saying its a bad device just not what I wanted when I bought it. | 19:05 |
| RST38h | Sts: it is easier to tell which one was not | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:05 |
| RST38h | andrew: As I said, with an old Dell PDA you will get exactly the same features but much worse experience | 19:05 |
| RST38h | andrew: So go for the iPhone :) | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, ok, found your page for them :P | 19:06 |
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| RST38h | Or get a new Nokia 5800 - we have got one of these in the family and it works pretty well | 19:06 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: thanks for the link :P | 19:07 |
| andrewfblack | RST38h Well iphone is first choice, then a smartphone running anything but palm second then if I have to settle I'll take a pda lol | 19:07 |
| * Stskeeps passes andrewfblack a half-dead ipaq 3630 | 19:07 | |
| andrewfblack | RST38h I would take something like that | 19:07 |
| * RST38h still isn't sure why take a pda | 19:08 | |
| RST38h | those things are dreadful, even if they have got a phone inside | 19:09 |
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| andrewfblack | like I said thats my last choice. BTW I forgot to add in the post I just paided for 3 years of turn by turn directions | 19:10 |
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| RST38h | Well that was a mistake :) | 19:12 |
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| andrewfblack | GPS does great once you finally get a lock lol | 19:13 |
| andrewfblack | well I'm out of here, maybe I can find someone to take the trade | 19:18 |
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| mikkov_ | fiferboy: hello | 19:18 |
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| Meizirkki | qwerty12: where to unpack the bzr:s libz.tar.gz? | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | /usr/lib/python2.5 | 19:30 |
| Meizirkki | strange, they are there and it still does not work | 19:30 |
| Meizirkki | when i put letters "b" and "z" and press tab there is "bzr", when i press enter it says: sh: bzr: not found | 19:32 |
| johnx | type: which bzr | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | That's not a libs problem. | 19:32 |
| Meizirkki | that's what i was thinking | 19:32 |
| Meizirkki | i'll reboot | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | Meizirkki, what does tab completion say when you type python? | 19:33 |
| Meizirkki | sec | 19:33 |
| Meizirkki | that's it, python 2.5 is missing. o_0 | 19:34 |
| Meizirkki | i'm was sure that i installed it | 19:34 |
| Meizirkki | s/i'm/i/ | 19:34 |
| infobot | Meizirkki meant: i was sure that i installed it | 19:34 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, first line in /usr/bin/bzr is "#!/usr/bin/python2.5" and if python2.5 doesn't exist, your shell will throw a not found error even if /usr/bin/bzr exists | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: think upgrade is safe now | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | (apt-get update first) | 19:39 |
| johnx | awesome. is it ok for me to start some builds? | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | i'll toy with libossognomevfs at some point | 19:39 |
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| johnx | also, is there a way to make packages that are completely arch indep not produce fail messages when they try to build on ARM? | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | not at this point no - but it isnt fatal in any way | 19:40 |
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| johnx | ok, then I won't worry about it :) | 19:40 |
| RST38h | Symbian, here I come | 19:41 |
| * johnx updates mer machines, looks for a cheap ARM-based, 2 drive NAS | 19:41 | |
| RST38h | Or rather "Symbian, come to my boudoir" | 19:41 |
| johnx | RST38h, who's getting screwed? you or symbian? | 19:42 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Definitely Symbian | 19:43 |
| * RST38h has got the poor critter under control | 19:43 | |
| johnx | just as long as it's nice and consensual I don't care... | 19:44 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: so what's status from your side? | 19:56 |
| johnx | from the builds or the upgrade? | 19:56 |
| johnx | or work on mer? | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | work on mer i guess :P | 19:56 |
| johnx | didn't touch it much today. my wife just got home from the US... :P | 19:57 |
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| johnx | but qwerty12 did that excellent zenity package. guess I should poke at that after the upgrade here finishes | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 19:58 |
| johnx | did you have something besides "first-boot-wizard" you wanted me to look at? | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | well first-boot-wizard and user is one of the important things atm so :) | 19:59 |
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| johnx | crap, my maemo-launcher build died :/ | 19:59 |
| johnx | died installing packages ... | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, qemu error it seems | 20:01 |
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| Stskeeps | just re-run build | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | and let's see if it helps | 20:01 |
| johnx | ok. did you just change something? | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | no, but sometimes qemu is a bit quirky :P | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | and dbus should work fine :P | 20:02 |
| johnx | :/ | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | it'll take x86 build again (not fail, but not succeed in upload) and then take armel again so | 20:02 |
| * johnx prefers quirky girls, not quirky CPU emulators | 20:02 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:03 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: fixed the tablet-wireless issue | 20:04 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | it's getting built atm :P | 20:04 |
| johnx | is that the "wireless takes forever to connect" issue or a packaging issue? | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: typo in ifconfig wlan0 up | 20:05 |
| * Meizirkki is watching #merbuilder @jaiku | 20:05 | |
| Stskeeps | most .. interesting channel .. sortof | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:06 |
| Meizirkki | :P | 20:06 |
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| Mousey | it's empty! | 20:06 |
| Mousey | the lies! | 20:06 |
| Mousey | they spread! | 20:06 |
| Meizirkki | Why is the basic font-size of hildon so small ?? | 20:06 |
| * Stskeeps takes away Mousey's caffeine | 20:06 | |
| Stskeeps | small? :P | 20:06 |
| * Mousey cries! ;_/ | 20:06 | |
| Mousey | ;_;, even | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | Mousey, it's a conspiracy! we must stop them! | 20:06 |
| Meizirkki | s/small/BIG/ | 20:07 |
| infobot | Meizirkki meant: Why is the basic font-size of hildon so BIG ?? | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: more readable | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | Because Mer wants to be bigger than Maemo :) | 20:07 |
| Mousey | Meizirkki: so my damn fingers will touch the right stuff | 20:07 |
| johnx | Mousey, it's a jaiku channel :) | 20:07 |
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| Mousey | Meizirkki: it's my biggest beef with the LCARS themes.. they WORK GREAT.. but the font isn't big enough for my fingers and i don't have the hildon-fu to make them bigger without spoiling the theme | 20:08 |
| Mousey | what's a jaiku? | 20:08 |
| Mousey | sounds like an ancient artifact from an anime i've never seen | 20:08 |
| johnx | http://jaiku.com/channel/merbuilder | 20:08 |
| johnx | it's twitter | 20:08 |
| johnx | basically | 20:08 |
| Mousey | oh | 20:09 |
| Mousey | bleh | 20:09 |
| johnx | but the mer package builder is hooked up to it and it blogs about the package build status. so if you're interested in mer you should follow it :) | 20:09 |
| Mousey | eh.. i'll wait for the movie | 20:10 |
| johnx | tell me how that works for you | 20:10 |
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| Mousey | k. ^_^ | 20:13 |
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| Stskeeps | great, another dbus error | 20:14 |
| jaska | jebus | 20:14 |
| * johnx sighs | 20:15 | |
| johnx | i *built* it in mer sdk | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | i'll just /bin/true useradd in builder | 20:15 |
| johnx | huh? what's causing that...hang on | 20:15 |
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| Stskeeps | qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | adduser: `/usr/sbin/useradd -d /var/run/dbus -g messagebus -s /bin/false -u 101 messagebus' returned error code 126. Exiting. | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | not sure why it segfaults though | 20:16 |
| johnx | ah, ok. I was worried about auto-startx's init script | 20:16 |
| johnx | but I think I --no-start it | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | i'll just check builder for a sec | 20:17 |
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| kost-bebix | Hello again. I just want to ask is there a 'full' version of top utility? Because I want to make top -pPID, and maemo's top is some kind of small (there are only 3 options about delay and other stuff) | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | wrong qemu | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | kost-bebix, http://www.makikiweb.com/n800/downloads/procps_real-3.2.7.armel.deb - install that and you can use rtop to invoke the "real" top | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: give it a shot now | 20:20 |
| kost-bebix | thanx, I'll try that right now | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: (remember to add some text after build maemo-launcher as jaiku may filter you otherwise) | 20:20 |
| johnx | ah, been deleting old build commands | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 20:21 |
| johnx | does make things make less sense though :) | 20:21 |
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| kost-bebix | Stskeeps: yep, thank you very much. Works great :-) | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | you mean qwerty12 | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:25 |
| lcuk | anything exciting happen with ppl in first day back then? | 20:25 |
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| Stskeeps | not really | 20:28 |
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| johnx | back in a sec | 20:29 |
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| qwerty12 | Yes. It made me remember how much I hate first days back. | 20:29 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:29 |
| andrewfblack | Added some photos of my N810 I'm trading on itT | 20:30 |
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| dick-richardson | has anyone had nokia repair a cracked screen? just curious what an out-of-warranty repair will cost | 20:46 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps / johnx: hildon-desktop-env does not want to install | 20:48 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, think we're messing up stuff a little bit atm | 20:48 |
| johnx | eep. something bad happen with it? | 20:49 |
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| * r2d2rogers hauls out the testing 770\ | 20:49 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: try maemo-launcher again | 20:49 |
| johnx | alright | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: well maemo-launcher prolly only has the indep ones.. so | 20:50 |
| johnx | was it an old version of qemu? | 20:50 |
| oli | qwerty12_N800: have you mouse working by anyremote? | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: was, but this was another proble | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | m | 20:50 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oli, haven't used anyremote recently :/ | 20:51 |
| Meizirkki | the problem has something to do with x-session-manager? | 20:51 |
| johnx | huh...let me try a clean install here | 20:52 |
| oli | qwerty12_N800: ok, so I'll try to do it by myself (: | 20:52 |
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| johnx | Meizirkki, can you pastebin the install log? | 20:52 |
| Meizirkki | http;//pastebin.com/m57467d | 20:52 |
| johnx | fast O_o | 20:52 |
| Meizirkki | that's | 20:52 |
| Meizirkki | just the problem | 20:52 |
| Meizirkki | :P | 20:52 |
| johnx | damn, I made a stupid assumption | 20:54 |
| johnx | grrr...fix in a sec | 20:54 |
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| * Stskeeps hopes the armel builder behaves better now. | 20:57 | |
| johnx | Meizirkki, you can test again as soon as it builds :) | 20:59 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | phew | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | it worked | 20:59 |
| johnx | rawk! | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | installed fakeroot | 21:00 |
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| johnx | so much for waiting a sec to try it :/ | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 21:01 |
| johnx | he just quit, right as I queued it for building | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | he'll come back in a sec | 21:02 |
| fiferboy | mikkov_: Have any of your SDL builds used ogg in any way? | 21:02 |
| * Stskeeps tries to fix gnomevfs | 21:02 | |
| lcuk | hiya fiferboy | 21:03 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Hi! | 21:03 |
| lcuk | anyone know how to fix a frozen car windscreen doofer thingy so i can actually see where im driving | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | oh you english people.. | 21:04 |
| johnx | windshield wiper? | 21:04 |
| lcuk | that was pure northern tyvm | 21:04 |
| lcuk | no, the water jet spray thing | 21:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, just the northerners :p | 21:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi fiferboy | 21:04 |
| lcuk | its frozen solid cos i was a pratt and filled it with normal water before it got cold | 21:04 |
| fiferboy | Hey qwerty | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | infact, it wasnt normal water, i think it was evian or something | 21:05 |
| johnx | lcuk, "frozen" as in ice or frozen as in stuck? and is only one stuck? does it seem like it's trying to move and the belt is slipping? | 21:05 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, did you dig in and find anywhere, or have you left it for now | 21:05 |
| lcuk | its -9 | 21:05 |
| johnx | aaah, the squirter thing... | 21:05 |
| lcuk | "frozen car windscreen doofer thing" yeah | 21:06 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I am waiting to have some free time, but things don't look good for the immediate future :/ | 21:06 |
| lcuk | no problem fifer, its obviously not vital since ppl have stopped moaning ;) | 21:06 |
| lcuk | but its a leak all the same | 21:06 |
| johnx | lcuk, if you said "doofer" to a neighbor, would he think "windshield squirter" or would he think you were calling him names? | 21:06 |
| lcuk | perhaps i should just leave the tablet in the car so that freezes as wel | 21:07 |
| lcuk | johnx, he would know what i meant :) | 21:07 |
| RST38h | a1 | 21:07 |
| lcuk | doofer. (slang) An object whose name the speaker or writer cannot remember. | 21:07 |
| fiferboy | leaks seem to be my specialty... | 21:07 |
| lcuk | heh fiferboy its just drummed into me to always cleanup everything and watch every call | 21:08 |
| johnx | lcuk, maybe add some booze to it :D everclear would be good or isopropyl alcohol, pure only | 21:08 |
| lcuk | if data magically appears from nowhere i know i have to release it again afterwards | 21:08 |
| fiferboy | I never did much gui programming with c before | 21:08 |
| fiferboy | I like garbage clean up in C++ | 21:08 |
| lcuk | same principle in all languages i write in | 21:09 |
| lcuk | cow orker leaves things and hopes the mythical gods of .net will fix his code for him | 21:09 |
| lcuk | drives me batty | 21:09 |
| RST38h | C++ has garbage cleanup? | 21:09 |
| lcuk | i thought you had to call delete on things | 21:10 |
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| lcuk | and depends on references and pointers and a whole host of other things | 21:10 |
| fiferboy | I think objects deinstatiate themselves (at least with Qt) but maybe I am way off | 21:10 |
| lcuk | i think i even cleanup in python as well | 21:10 |
| lcuk | maybe you are just used to not repeating things often enough ;) | 21:10 |
| johnx | lcuk, alternatively, heat some water in the kettle and haul it out and pour it in the resevoir, then add the proper mix of soap or whatever | 21:10 |
| lcuk | and maybe releasing the qt reference will destroy the whole tree under it, but thats not the same as full cleanup | 21:11 |
| fiferboy | I hate it in C when I free something that gets free'd somewhere else and the code crashes | 21:11 |
| lcuk | ok johnx thanks ill give it a go in a minute | 21:11 |
| lcuk | :) | 21:11 |
| lcuk | then dont use freed objects | 21:12 |
| lcuk | or dont free objects in use | 21:12 |
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| lcuk | bbiab, car stuff | 21:13 |
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| ralfonso | what is the default sans font on Maemo4? | 21:13 |
| johnx | Nokia Sans I think | 21:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | It's called Nokia Sans if that is what you are asking | 21:14 |
| keesj | c++ boost does have "smart pointers" but I would not even call that garbare collection | 21:14 |
| ralfonso | I don't even have a Maemo device, I just think it's a great looking font :) | 21:14 |
| Mousey | liqbase read chms? | 21:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Get the device, enjoy it and copy the font :D | 21:15 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Mousey, no afaik but fbreader does (albeit slowly) | 21:15 |
| Mousey | evince? | 21:15 |
| ralfonso | thanks. | 21:15 |
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| * Mousey makes a note to install fbreader slowly | 21:15 | |
| fiferboy | keesj: You are right, I think I was mixing up C++ and java | 21:16 |
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| fiferboy | Although Qt seems to manage its objects pretty well | 21:16 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: objections to wrecking havoc with libgnomevfs? | 21:19 |
| johnx | nope. go ahead. wouldn't want to stop your fun :) | 21:20 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: No auto memory management in C++, so I guess you may have been leaking memory all this time :) | 21:20 |
| fiferboy | I have never released any C++ code, so I don't think I have inconvenienced any users | 21:21 |
| RST38h | btw, java garbage collection is not exactly the final solution as well | 21:22 |
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| RST38h | if you are lucky enough not to run out of memory first, garbage collector will kick in (at the most inopportune moment, by Murphy's law) and do its thing for seconds at a time | 21:22 |
| fiferboy | Clearly memory management has never been my forte | 21:23 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: on mer is there a place that has the time in a file that it loads as you can't hit the on board clock? | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: hmm, not sure, why? retutime doesnt work? | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | (gets run in linuxrc) | 21:25 |
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| r2d2rogers | I just keep seeing packages from teh furture on updates | 21:25 |
| r2d2rogers | the future... | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | how much in the future? | 21:26 |
| r2d2rogers | time stamp 2009-01-05 19:03:21 is 1072109.161072 s in the future | 21:26 |
| fiferboy | Has anyone run into problems with the gcc optimization flags in scratchbox? | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | what does 'date' say? :P | 21:26 |
| RST38h | what problem? | 21:26 |
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| r2d2rogers | Wed Dec 24 09:18:19 UTC 2008 | 21:26 |
| fiferboy | I keep getting an error in dh_clean where it cannot remove a directory because of a changed dev/ino | 21:27 |
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| fiferboy | I have no idea if it is releated to optimizations, bue I am running out of things to check | 21:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | what flags are you using? | 21:27 |
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| fiferboy | Just -O2 in the rules file | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I've never had any problems like that with -O2 personally | 21:29 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: itis not related to optimizations | 21:29 |
| fiferboy | Do you know what could cause it | 21:29 |
| fiferboy | ? | 21:29 |
| RST38h | scratchbox | 21:29 |
| RST38h | it is a fucked up scrqatchbox. | 21:30 |
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| fiferboy | So, is it a case of remove and reinstall scratchbox? | 21:31 |
| RST38h | don't know | 21:31 |
| RST38h | it may be just fundamentally broken or it may have got broken on some update | 21:32 |
| fiferboy | The same code used to build. | 21:33 |
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| dick-richardson | is there a way to reset the security code? | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Can you get a root shell on the tablet? | 21:34 |
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| dick-richardson | yes | 21:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | dick-richardson, run this as root and it will display your current lock code : http://austinche.name/maemo/getlockcode | 21:35 |
| dick-richardson | thank you! | 21:36 |
| mikkov_ | fiferboy: wormux uses ogg, but it doensnt't really work on the device | 21:38 |
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| fiferboy | mikkov_: How did you get it to auto-build with the SDL in extras? | 21:38 |
| mikkov_ | nothing special, I have libsdl-mixeroggwav1.2-dev in build-deps | 21:39 |
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| fiferboy | Did you have to change anything to get it to actually use libsdl-mixeroggwav over the stock SDL? | 21:41 |
| mikkov_ | no, libsdl-mixeroggwav is a replacement for libsdl-mixer | 21:42 |
| mikkov_ | or it's a build time replacement, it has only static libraries | 21:43 |
| fiferboy | Thanks for the information. I will give that a try | 21:45 |
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| Ro9u3oR | <<N800 + bluetooth keyboard $150 | 21:49 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: gimme a package that you know would mess up on Mer normally cos of libosso-gnomevfs-2 | 22:04 |
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| Meiz_n810 | hmm... | 22:04 |
| Meiz_n810 | xchat-gnome? | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | ta, lemme try | 22:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | nah, qwerty:s port is maybe better | 22:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | gdm! | 22:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: gdm something i would like to use. :P | 22:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | s/gdm/gdm is/ | 22:06 |
| infobot | Meiz_n810 meant: Stskeeps: gdm is something i would like to use. :P | 22:06 |
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| Meiz_n810 | maybe epiphany.. | 22:07 |
| johnx | Meiz_n810, hildon-desktop-env install ok for you now? | 22:08 |
| Meiz_n810 | johnx: let me try... | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | gail is another issue atm, compiling nokia one | 22:09 |
| Meiz_n810 | gnomevfs2 no more on the way? | 22:10 |
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| Stskeeps | seems not, but gnomecanvas is pretty used.. | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | which uses gail | 22:12 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 22:14 |
| Meiz_n810 | johnx: installed without a problem | 22:17 |
| johnx | great | 22:18 |
| johnx | that's what I like to hear | 22:18 |
| johnx | even better when it's true | 22:18 |
| keesj | quick poll QT or GTK users on IRC? | 22:20 |
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| Stskeeps | user but not developer :P | 22:20 |
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| Stskeeps | ohnojaiku, now is not the time to be down | 22:25 |
| johnx | yeah, dead here too :/ | 22:26 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i get 502 Bad Gateway 0_o | 22:27 |
| johnx | same | 22:27 |
| RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/01/poweradapters.jpg | 22:27 |
| johnx | RST38h, I like the moralizing | 22:28 |
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| * Stskeeps swears | 22:29 | |
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| johnx | betweeb launchpad and jaiku we don't always have the best luck... | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | i'm starting to point towards garage as a good cooperation platform | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | at least it works | 22:31 |
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| johnx | ya'know...sometimes | 22:31 |
| johnx | guess maemo.org has been reasonably stable for a couple months now though | 22:31 |
| RST38h | one gets used to good things really fast... | 22:32 |
| RST38h | it was about a month though | 22:32 |
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| johnx | looks like someone at jaiku is working on it at least | 22:37 |
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| * johnx sleeps. will look at first-boot-wizard more tomorrow | 22:38 | |
| Stskeeps | nini | 22:39 |
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| Stskeeps | evening b-man | 22:42 |
| b-man | hello | 22:42 |
| b-man | just got back from school, if you were wondering ware i was :p | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | you're on school ? | 22:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | it's 5th day.. | 22:43 |
| b-man | yes, i go to a technical highschool | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N800 | unlucky, today was my first day back too :P | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: my work started today too :P | 22:44 |
| Meiz_n810 | haha, i'll be @ home for couple of days | 22:44 |
| b-man | ~sophmore ;p | 22:45 |
| b-man | how much did i miss today? :) | 22:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have to move my ass to school 7th day | 22:45 |
| b-man | heh | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: maybe we're able to run gnome alongside hildon now.. working on that right now. kexec has problems when serial console isn't enabled in r&d mode.. builder fixes | 22:46 |
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| b-man | sweet! :D | 22:46 |
| churl | sorry for this question, but what do i need to be able to see text in westnoth? | 22:47 |
| Meiz_n810 | why do you apologize for asking questions? :P | 22:48 |
| churl | it's probably a silly one | 22:48 |
| churl | like all of mine | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | and? :P | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | all of us have sounded completely moronic in here once or twice, i believe :P | 22:49 |
| churl | true that :P | 22:49 |
| Meiz_n810 | i have surely more than once or twice :) | 22:49 |
| churl | guys, what's a linux? | 22:50 |
| churl | she sounds hot | 22:50 |
| johnx | it's a ghost story parents use to spook kids into not downloading viruses onto the family PC | 22:50 |
| johnx | don't install crap or the linux will come and you'll have to use the command line foreeeever | 22:51 |
| churl | i bet linux hid my adjustable wrench | 22:51 |
| churl | apt-get install fear | 22:51 |
| johnx | as for text in wesnoth: no idea. you've checked ITT, right? | 22:51 |
| churl | and you dont have to worry about repositories | 22:52 |
| * johnx heads off to bed for real | 22:52 | |
| churl | nah, i just finished flashing i figured that would fix it, but it didnt | 22:52 |
| churl | it worked for me pre diablo | 22:53 |
| churl | but not since, ill check itt | 22:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | i should use apt-get install life | 22:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | nah, maybe too much conflicts | 22:54 |
| churl | very nice | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | what is it vodka buying age is in finland again, Meiz_n810? | 22:54 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: 18 | 22:55 |
| Veggen | Meiz: stick with nerding. It takes some time, but it can get you a nerd-safe girl finally ;) | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | being able to fix a computer well can get you far | 22:55 |
| churl | mine partner codes:) | 22:56 |
| Meiz_n810 | :P | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | in my case, it brought me to my fiancée | 22:56 |
| Veggen | Stskeeps: Oh, I haven't fixed my girlfriends computer :) | 22:56 |
| b-man | Meiz_n810; responded to your bootstrap-script question on ITT. - just to let you know | 22:57 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 22:58 |
| Veggen | I actually met my girlfriend first in a job interview. She opened the door for me as I arrived and rang the bell. | 22:58 |
| churl | i found mine on myspace (really) it's been one year and one day | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | Veggen: i met mine originally at this dorm but then while i was fixing another girls computer she mentioned she had some problems too.. and it was one of those windows problems that took 8 hours. plenty of time to sit and talk and get to know eachother :P | 23:00 |
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| churl | :) very nice | 23:01 |
| Veggen | Stskeeps: hum. Not sure I'd learn windows to do that ;P | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | What was the problem with osso_xterm? | 23:02 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: vte | 23:02 |
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| Stskeeps | and libtool, but libtool is fixed now | 23:03 |
| Veggen | Stskeeps: my girlfriend is a mac user, working in the VOIP business, and a member of the local LUG :) | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:03 |
| Veggen | Stskeeps: much nicer, I'll not have to fix her Windows computer :) | 23:03 |
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| Meiz_n810 | b-man: this far i have had no problem with Gutsy script, if fact guys @ #ubuntu-arm told me to use it... | 23:04 |
| b-man | hmm, mabe it was just a problem on my side :p | 23:06 |
| Meiz_n810 | I love the finger-scrolling in tear. | 23:07 |
| b-man | hmm, a nother linux fan on DeviantArt; http://furumaru.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Symbol-42498950 | 23:11 |
| ignacius | Meiz_n810 you mean tear the web browser? | 23:11 |
| Meiz_n810 | yes | 23:12 |
| ignacius | :-) | 23:12 |
| ignacius | like to hear it | 23:12 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, you're the guy that implemented it, right? :P :) | 23:12 |
| ignacius | yeah :-) | 23:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | nice :) | 23:13 |
| ignacius | thx | 23:14 |
| lcuk | does fbreader on any platform scroll? | 23:25 |
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| solca | qwerty12_N800: ping | 23:25 |
| lcuk | apart from the java version | 23:25 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | solca, p0ng :) | 23:25 |
| solca | hi! | 23:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hey solca :) | 23:25 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: do you test with kexec? | 23:26 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | solca, not successfully :(, i nearly ended tearing my hair out... uclibc scratchbox toolchain doesn't agree with kernel versions above 2.6.21 because I got an segfault when I tried to run the binary. Bootmenu doesn't work under the new kernel either (I tried forcing it to open to no avail either) so I applied some patches I found for arm proc/atags support in 2.6.21 but kexec tools won't recognise it as a valid atags (even using | 23:30 |
| qwerty12_N800 | kexec tools version which was around at the time) | 23:30 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: I too compiled kexec-tools with scratchbox2 and it segfaults | 23:32 |
| solca | qwerty12_N800: statically was around 600KB | 23:32 |
| solca | so I was wondering if you have a reduced kexec binary to test but... | 23:32 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I used -Os & strip & sstrip and i got 200kb but it segfaults anyway :/ | 23:33 |
| solca | sstrip? never heard about it | 23:33 |
| solca | I used -Os -funit-at-a-time then strip but 600KB with sb2 | 23:34 |
| qwerty12_N800 | ah, I used uclibc | 23:34 |
| solca | thats the difference, I used eglibc from sb2 (freemantle sdk) | 23:34 |
| solca | anyway kexec just works when the tablet is in r&d serial-console mode... weird... | 23:35 |
| qwerty12_N800 | This is why access to cal would be nice, at least could theoretically play around with rd flags straight from the tablet :) | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | solca: you can always probe on linux-omap maybe, igor & co seems to be conversing there | 23:37 |
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| Stskeeps | solca: and even encouraging it, the other day, on iTT | 23:39 |
| solca | Stskeeps: Ill try linux-omap then as my workarounds dont work | 23:39 |
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| solca | Stskeeps: what happen the other day? | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=254439&postcount=11 | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | just generally encouraging low level discussion for maemo/nokia platform to go to linux-omap when dealing with kernel | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: i -think- we might have some the gnomevfs and gail problems now.. going to look closer | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | +solved | 23:44 |
| solca | Stskeeps: good as the kernel stuff for NITs is being slowly eroding in latest kernels | 23:44 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: great! | 23:44 |
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| * b-man is still not able to use the on-screen keyboard in mer or ubuntu... starting to ram head on desk... -_- | 23:45 | |
| Meiz_n810 | ports.ubuntu.com down? | 23:46 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i get timeout | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | works here | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | or not.. | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, works | 23:47 |
| Meiz_n810 | works now here to | 23:47 |
| Meiz_n810 | o | 23:47 |
| b-man | na, the gnome desktop in ubuntu and hildon desktop in mer keeps crashing the desktop | 23:47 |
| b-man | edit: keyboard | 23:47 |
| b-man | going nutz | 23:47 |
| b-man | ;p | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:47 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: don't leave the next 10 min :) | 23:48 |
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| Meiz_n810 | ok | 23:48 |
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| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/gnomemer.png | 23:49 |
| b-man | cool | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | (gnome libraries, thati s) | 23:50 |
| Meiz_n810 | yahoo | 23:50 |
| Meiz_n810 | so, no more conflicts with gnome? | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | well, not that i've seen yet :P | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | some of it has a bit of suspicious package update over it, so :P | 23:51 |
| Meiz_n810 | hehe, i'll leave my tablet to install some stuff @ night | 23:51 |
| Meiz_n810 | is xchat-gnome better than qwerty:s one? | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | i like qwertys' better :P | 23:52 |
| Meiz_n810 | k | 23:52 |
| qwerty12_N800 | heh, it's really skyhuskers :) | 23:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | gdm installing... | 23:53 |
| Meiz_n810 | something still hangs with ubuntu-desktop.. | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't promise coexisting ubuntu-desktop and mer, gnome maybe :P | 23:57 |
| oli | hm, whats the easiest way to share files from linux pc to my n800? i wannt to mount few dieectorys so ftp and http are not for me. nfs/sshfs what do you thinnk? | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | samba? : | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | P | 23:58 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: yeah, andi don't want to use gnome/ubuntu-desktop... horribly sslow... | 23:58 |
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