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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: I don't want to interupt what you are doing, but is there a place I can find /etc/osso-af-init//af-defines.sh to look at? | 00:02 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: maemo? :P | 00:02 |
| r2d2rogers | k | 00:02 |
| r2d2rogers | just checking | 00:02 |
| r2d2rogers | it's missing in my mer install | 00:02 |
| b-man | @Meiz_n810; not if you use plenty of swap ;) | 00:02 |
| Meiz_n810 | nah :P | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: yeah in mine too :P | 00:03 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: is it worth copying it over? | 00:03 |
| Stskeeps | we're going to reconstruct that a bit probably, and things work without, so | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | no, dont bother, i think :P | 00:04 |
| r2d2rogers | k | 00:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | r2d2rogers: i copied the whole directory to Mer , everything i got was a couuple of errors | 00:05 |
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| r2d2rogers | I'm just doing random apt-get upgrades and seeing what breaks <G> | 00:05 |
| Meiz_n810 | ports.ubuntu.com seems to be a bit bandwitch limited... | 00:07 |
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| * Stskeeps tries compiling vte again. | 00:11 | |
| Stskeeps | does any sane apps use pyvte? | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | a terminal emulator in python? | 00:13 |
| * qwerty12_N800 shudders | 00:13 | |
| Stskeeps | well there could be reasons | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | such as apt-get update output or whatever | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:14 |
| Jaffa | Something like Ubuntu's package manager could be written in Python which shows console output | 00:14 |
| Jaffa | yeah :) | 00:14 |
| Jaffa | snap | 00:14 |
| qwerty12_N800 | fair enough, i was thinking inside the box it seems :) | 00:15 |
| b-man | i actually do believe there is allrety a terminal written in python, in the debian repo, i can't recall the name though... | 00:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | gdebi in Maemo would be cool actually, at least gdebi installs dependencies automatically if you install locally from a deb | 00:17 |
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| Stskeeps | woo, it builds! | 00:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Not another sdk update I hope? :) | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, no, just a code fix | 00:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | brilliant, i don't think i can take installing it anymore :D | 00:20 |
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| b-man | lol | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | and i refuse to touch that thing again for a while, so we're even | 00:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe | 00:22 |
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| oli | qwerty12_N800: anyremote mouse works :) | 00:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | oli, brilliant :), is it hard to use? :) | 00:28 |
| oli | enough for scrolling www pages, but cursor is not visible | 00:29 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | there's a way to bring it back but i can't find right file yet.. | 00:31 |
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| oli | anyremote devels should also include shell support, it shouldn't be hard to code but extremely useful | 00:32 |
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| lcuk | ~lart grep | 00:33 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | oli, found it! edit /home/user/.icons/default/index.theme as root and comment the inherits line & reboot | 00:34 |
| oli | brb, reboot ;) | 00:36 |
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| lardman | evening | 00:36 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hi lardman :) | 00:37 |
| lardman | hey qwerty12_N800 :) | 00:37 |
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| woglinde | hi lardman | 00:37 |
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| lardman | hi woglinde | 00:38 |
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| smackpotato | why does fn +tab only work some of the time im using yen for tab | 00:42 |
| gnuton | Hi | 00:43 |
| oli | qwerty12_N800: works, thanks :) | 00:46 |
| b-man | hello, gnuton :) | 00:46 |
| gnuton | Hey b-man | 00:47 |
| gnuton | :D | 00:47 |
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| oli | qwerty12_N800: mouse click is always double, but you don't feel it in browser | 00:48 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | oli, heh, now i need to actually reinstall anyremote again sometime :) | 00:49 |
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| oli | scripts do not seem to be difficult to modify so i'll try to improve them a little | 00:51 |
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| smackpotato1 | how come fn+tab only work some of the time | 00:56 |
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| hachi | can I get connection info programmatically on my Nokia N810 somehow in a shell script or perl ? | 01:06 |
| woglinde | ifconfig? | 01:06 |
| hachi | I mean like... access points | 01:06 |
| hachi | mac addys and whether I'm connected with GPRS | 01:06 |
| hachi | those pieces | 01:06 |
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| woglinde | python-dbus should work | 01:07 |
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| woglinde | hachi search the maemo-user or dev mailing list | 01:08 |
| woglinde | there are some hints | 01:08 |
| woglinde | for getting this infos from dbus | 01:08 |
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| hachi | roger roger | 01:09 |
| hachi | thank you | 01:09 |
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| hachi | how much time is it to build a dev env for maemo, maybe I'll just write this in C instead | 01:12 |
| woglinde | install scratchbox | 01:12 |
| hachi | oh, I remember this | 01:12 |
| woglinde | shouldnt be last longer then 2 hours | 01:13 |
| hachi | I ran out of disk space while trying it the last time :) | 01:13 |
| hachi | I'll fix that and be on my way | 01:13 |
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| Mousey | d-feet! | 01:25 |
| Mousey | awesome live dbus debugger | 01:25 |
| woglinde | good nite | 01:25 |
| Mousey | prove it | 01:25 |
| Mousey | my night is spent at work | 01:25 |
| Mousey | working!! | 01:25 |
| Mousey | ;_; | 01:25 |
| woglinde | your problem | 01:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, pong? | 01:26 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: compiling osso-xterm:) | 01:38 |
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| hachi | Mousey: d-feet? | 01:43 |
| Mousey | $ apt-cache search d-feet | 01:43 |
| Mousey | d-feet - A D-Bus debugger | 01:43 |
| hachi | sweet | 01:43 |
| Mousey | hmm, that's debian tho | 01:43 |
| Mousey | maybe there's a maemo port. sure would be nice ^_^ | 01:43 |
| lardman | Anyone here play ice hockey? | 01:44 |
| lardman | slightly random question | 01:44 |
| hachi | slightly | 01:44 |
| zeenix | Mousey: trying the new SDK? | 01:44 |
| lardman | :) | 01:44 |
| zeenix | Mousey: ah sorry :) | 01:44 |
| * Mousey isn't a developer. | 01:44 | |
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| lardman | night all | 02:10 |
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| b-man | g'night | 02:10 |
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| dougt | does anyone know how to disable maemo update checking? the orange blinky actually noticeably slows down some of our tests. | 02:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dougt, there's a gconf setting for the update interval. | 02:42 |
| dougt | do you recall its name? | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not offhand | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800 will know, though, I'm sure. | 02:43 |
| ShadowJK | I imagine the actual checking slows down things more than the blinky afterwards.. | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | The actual checking happens once every 24 hours. | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | So unless you're doing all of your testing in that 30 second-2 minute window. . . . | 02:46 |
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| dougt | GeneralAntilles: we are testing around the clock. | 02:54 |
| dougt | did you check out the crazy pictures? | 02:55 |
| dougt | http://drkscrtlv.livejournal.com/tag/mozilla | 02:56 |
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| sp3000 | ~ $ gconftool -R / | grep update | 03:05 |
| sp3000 | /apps/hildon/update-notifier: | 03:05 |
| sp3000 | ~ $ gconftool -R /apps/hildon/update-notifier | 03:05 |
| sp3000 | check_interval = 1440 | 03:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dougt, how'd you set up the power? | 03:08 |
| hachi | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4492/install.html | 03:08 |
| hachi | should I be using that document for building up a dev env? | 03:08 |
| hachi | it seems like it, but I'd love feedback before I spend too much time | 03:09 |
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| hachi | no, apparently that doc is wrong | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are you actually using SDK+. . . . | 03:42 |
| hachi | should I not be? I was reading something and it pointed me towards here | 03:43 |
| hachi | I'm not sure if you're asking to make sure that I do use it, or asking why I'm using SDK+ | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not a question of whether you should be or not, but if you actually are. | 03:43 |
| hachi | I am hoping to | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because if you're not, then of course that documentation wont help. . . | 03:43 |
| hachi | ahh, found a more up to date version of it | 03:44 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles, you're back | 03:44 |
| hachi | hmmm | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, back to school. :( | 03:47 |
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| hachi | I used debootstrap to build a chroot environment to install maemo-sdk | 03:47 |
| hachi | and maemo-sdk is making a choot environment inside it too | 03:48 |
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| hachi | :\ | 04:02 |
| hachi | I can't install rootstraps as root, bleh | 04:02 |
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| elekte | hi | 04:12 |
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| elekte | n800 still doesn't recharge by usb, correct? | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless fairies have come in the night and rewired it, no. . . . | 04:14 |
| elekte | i'll check by i doubt it | 04:14 |
| derf | You can get a USB->powertip cord to charge it with. | 04:15 |
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| elekte | is the voltage ok? | 04:15 |
| derf | It's not enough to charge it if the battery is completely drained, but otherwise I haven't had a problem. | 04:16 |
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| elekte | i'm going onbo | 04:16 |
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| elekte | k, 1 sec | 04:16 |
| elekte | i'm going on the amazon and i was looking for a crank dynamo generator for this | 04:17 |
| elekte | any experience with those? | 04:17 |
| elekte | guess i'll have to take a chance | 04:22 |
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| fireun | is there a 770 specific irc channel? | 06:27 |
| fireun | (I'm stuck in the past) | 06:27 |
| rZr | i dont think so | 06:28 |
| fireun | mmm, k | 06:28 |
| rZr | i hacked all day on 770 | 06:28 |
| fireun | I own two, go figure | 06:28 |
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| fireun | 2008HE is lovely, except that it crashes with a wifi hotspot I need to be able to use | 06:38 |
| fireun | anyone know if there is any known fault with the 2008HE browser? workaround? not sure if its https/ssl or whatnot that trips it up. | 06:39 |
| fireun | no way for me to tell | 06:39 |
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| fireun | sucks being an early adopter | 06:51 |
| fireun | does nokia have a 2(770) for 1(810) trade in program? (: | 06:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 06:52 |
| fireun | well shoot. | 06:52 |
| r2d2rogers | fireun: I almost wish that was so, but I still can't imagine pocketing a NIT without a metal screen cover regularly | 06:53 |
| fireun | true | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | r2d2rogers, I've been doing that to my N800 for 2 years now. :) | 06:53 |
| fireun | I see nothing wrong with the 770, except the instabilities | 06:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | As long as you don't fill your pockets with spare keys and glass shards. . . . :roll: | 06:53 |
| * r2d2rogers looks at his slide cover.... | 06:53 | |
| fireun | and the lack of continued support | 06:53 |
| r2d2rogers | keys and worse here <G> | 06:53 |
| r2d2rogers | fireun: I'm playing with Mer on one of my 770s and running 2008HE on the other | 06:54 |
| fireun | Mer? | 06:54 |
| r2d2rogers | ~mer | 06:54 |
| infobot | [mer] http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New and http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint | 06:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | r2d2rogers, that's why you keep bad things in one pocket and fragile things in another. | 06:54 |
| fireun | 2008HE works fine for me, except when I go to web-auth at school | 06:54 |
| fireun | then blamo, reboot | 06:54 |
| r2d2rogers | yeah | 06:54 |
| fireun | the 770s get a little weird after streaming music for a couple hours as well. | 06:55 |
| r2d2rogers | my work's internal WLAN wuit working for me... haven't tested on a linux laptop in a while though to know the issue for sure | 06:55 |
| * GeneralAntilles can't work up the energy to write the blog posts that are now two weeks overdue. | 06:55 | |
| fireun | other wpa wlans work fine, its something in the browser support | 06:55 |
| fireun | oh, and it would have saved me 120 bucks if the ti-calc emulator actually worked, oh well | 06:56 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, still recovering from work | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, I think December 08 Pt. II is gonna have to be an oversized January 09 Pt. I | 06:59 |
| johnx | december got a lot of people this year. I know how vicious it can be. no worries :) | 07:00 |
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| musikgoat|main | is there a text based list of installed packages in maemo 08 | 07:01 |
| musikgoat|main | v 2.2007.51-3 if it matters | 07:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Worse is what it did to the debmaster progress. :( | 07:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | musikgoat|main, dpkg | 07:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: upgrade | 07:03 |
| musikgoat|main | thanks | 07:03 |
| johnx | dpkg --get-selections is probably the right thing | 07:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | h-a-m also has a script to display the stuff in user/* | 07:09 |
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| musikgoat|main | sorry, the dpkg is giving me more than i want, :-) | 07:32 |
| musikgoat|main | what do you mean h-a-m script | 07:32 |
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| musikgoat|main | i'm looking for a method to show what is in the app manager, essentially | 07:35 |
| musikgoat|main | via text | 07:35 |
| musikgoat|main | im sshed in | 07:35 |
| musikgoat|main | also does anyone know of a battery draining tool that writes a counter to disk to mark the battery life? | 07:37 |
| musikgoat|main | like a timer that plays the default video and keeps track of when the unit dies | 07:37 |
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| musikgoat|main | RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin would be the correct image to update to? | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo-list-user-packages | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://nitapps.com/ | 07:42 |
| musikgoat|main | thanks | 07:43 |
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| Zakkm | anyone know why mediabox youtube doesnt play? got latest maemo on n800 | 08:12 |
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| churl | how can i get my screen to go black (completely off) when i lock touch screen and keys? | 09:02 |
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| t_s_o | technically it should do so on its own, automatically... | 09:06 |
| johnx | churl, change the dim timeout to be the same as blank timeout | 09:06 |
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| churl | johnx: one sec, downloading :) | 09:09 |
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| churl | johnx: under control panel - display? | 09:16 |
| johnx | yeah | 09:16 |
| churl | brightness period and switch off display are both at 1 minute | 09:17 |
| johnx | what happens when you lock screen? | 09:18 |
| johnx | does it dim or stay on? | 09:18 |
| churl | stay on | 09:18 |
| churl | im waiting the minute to see what happens | 09:18 |
| churl | ok | 09:19 |
| churl | it went black after that minute | 09:19 |
| johnx | is it plugged into AC? | 09:19 |
| churl | sure nuff :) | 09:19 |
| johnx | try unplugging from AC and lock again, just for fun | 09:19 |
| johnx | I've been having trouble tracking this down too :/ | 09:20 |
| churl | ok, just for fun | 09:20 |
| churl | it went black after a few seconds | 09:20 |
| johnx | yeah, that should be the right behavior | 09:21 |
| johnx | sometimes it behaves differently on AC...but then again it doesn't matter as much on AC | 09:21 |
| churl | ok neat, good to know | 09:21 |
| churl | true that | 09:21 |
| t_s_o | there is a option that tells the screen to stay on when charging... | 09:22 |
| churl | very useful to have the quick blackout and lock screen | 09:22 |
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| bakarat | hi | 09:22 |
| churl | yeah, i like mine to be off, im not sure why | 09:22 |
| bakarat | i was wondering if it is possible to create an algorithm that, based on the images from openstreetmap.org, can actually calculate the streets | 09:22 |
| bakarat | (street names would be another story) | 09:22 |
| t_s_o | thinking about offline route finding? | 09:23 |
| bakarat | always | 09:24 |
| bakarat | :D | 09:24 |
| t_s_o | i suspect it could be done, but it would probably not be cpu friendly by a long shot... | 09:24 |
| bakarat | probably not | 09:25 |
| bakarat | but it would only have to be done once... | 09:25 |
| bakarat | and you can even divide the task | 09:25 |
| bakarat | i have no interest in mapping other countries, but other people might :> | 09:25 |
| bakarat | the street name mapping would be a crapload of manual work though | 09:26 |
| bakarat | do google maps and consorts keep track of one way streets etc? | 09:29 |
| t_s_o | no clue | 09:32 |
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| johnx | uhm, there is routing info with OSM...I thought. the "picture versions" are just rendered from the vector data...again IIRC | 09:35 |
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| bakarat | there was a lively discussion yesterday here | 09:39 |
| bakarat | where it was claimed that there is no vector data in osm | 09:39 |
| bakarat | at least no complete | 09:39 |
| bakarat | which is the entire problem with offline routing | 09:39 |
| johnx | the pictures are rendered from vector data | 09:40 |
| johnx | it isn't complete though, that's correct | 09:40 |
| johnx | won't be complete until more people wander around with a GPS and upload their maps :) | 09:40 |
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| bakarat | johnx, does maemo mapper download the vector data as well? | 10:01 |
| bakarat | or just the pictures? | 10:01 |
| bakarat | cause if it does vector data, the leap to routing offline isn't too far away... | 10:01 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: at itT your instructions to make a bootmenu.item have always those "". for example after ITEM_NAME="type here". b-man:s installer creater .item with no quotation-marks.. i haven't tested it, but can you tell me would it work without them too? | 10:29 |
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| Chenkai | Hi everyone, i am wondering how can i get the detailed info of user-saved wlan connection in maemo? is there any conf file serving that purpose? thanks in advance:) | 10:30 |
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| Chenkai | though libconic can get some info , but i think the info is not sufficed to me. e.g. SSID name | 10:33 |
| Meiz_n810 | iwconfig ? | 10:37 |
| Chenkai | i am not sure yet. i think some kind of api or conf file would be a better choice;) | 10:40 |
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| johnx | bakarat, no. look up: roadmap | 10:50 |
| bakarat | johnx, for osm or mapper? | 10:50 |
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| johnx | bakarat, for osm-based routing | 10:50 |
| kulve | hmm.. I had a mid file called 007.mid under MyDocs and the metalayer crawler segfaulted to it everytime.. | 10:52 |
| johnx | O_o | 10:52 |
| johnx | great behavior | 10:52 |
| kulve | I was wondering why the metalayer crawler is never running. Luckily strace told me te reason | 10:53 |
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| kulve | how can I add a dialog that is shown when an application is installed? Like those license agreement dialogs (although just "OK" would be enough for me) | 10:54 |
| Jaffa | kulve: Use zenity in your post-inst | 11:00 |
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| kulve | maemo-confirm-text seems to be what the license texts use | 11:01 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: saw the gnome-hildon coexistence screenshot? | 11:04 |
| johnx | oh didn't know there was screenshot :D | 11:04 |
| johnx | well, there it is O_o | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | makes things a bit easier | 11:05 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: at itT your instructions to make a bootmenu.item have always those "". for example after ITEM_NAME="type here". b-man:s installer creater .item with no quotation-marks.. i haven't tested it, but can you tell me would it work without them too? | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | in some instancea they matter | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | such as name with a space | 11:14 |
| Meiz_n810 | then it's a bug | 11:15 |
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| RST38h | Moo all | 11:18 |
| RST38h | http://lj.karlson.ru/Canada/ububu.jpg | 11:18 |
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| StsN800 | johnx, auto-startx is just a init script that starts startx at end of bootup btw? | 11:25 |
| johnx | yes. it's the one you pointed me at | 11:26 |
| johnx | it also makes /etc/default/autologin if it doesn't exist | 11:26 |
| StsN800 | alright | 11:26 |
| johnx | but that's part of the init script, not part of the package postinst | 11:26 |
| StsN800 | have to use it at work today so:P | 11:27 |
| johnx | so it needs to work 100%? test it first... | 11:27 |
| StsN800 | hehe, i will | 11:27 |
| johnx | I did plenty of install tests...but there's always the possibility it will do the wrong thing if you have other window managers or session managers installed or previously installed | 11:28 |
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| StsN800 | hehe. it'll prolly just start hildon + some app | 11:31 |
| RST38h | Anyone who hasn't seen this: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary | 11:32 |
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| pupnik | awesome RST38h | 11:44 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: that is Onion though =) | 11:46 |
| RST38h | (just in case there is any misunderstanding ;)) | 11:46 |
| pupnik | http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1240267 freescale ARM netbook | 11:47 |
| pupnik | "We believe our power-efficient solution, combined with Linux, plus some special application widget-based software, will enable a new kind of utilization of the internet," Cammal said. "New players want a simple utilization of the Internet." | 11:48 |
| pupnik | http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-257347.html | 11:48 |
| pupnik | funny how copycats pretend they innovate | 11:48 |
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| RST38h | Yep | 11:50 |
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| RST38h | Who is a copycat? | 11:50 |
| RST38h | Freescale has been making ARM-based chips for years (and no bad ones too). So, why is placing their chip into a notebook enclosure is a copycat? | 11:51 |
| pupnik | the marketing as an internet device | 11:51 |
| RST38h | everybody does that nowadays | 11:52 |
| pupnik | i guess | 11:52 |
| RST38h | It's a marketing by exclusion :) | 11:52 |
| RST38h | It can't run MS Office. It can't run WoW or other PC games. So, what is left? Right, Internet apps :) | 11:53 |
| johnx | it'd be marketing suicide to not mention your device is inet capable... | 11:53 |
| pupnik | true | 11:53 |
| RST38h | johnx: Especially considering that it can't do any other apps known to Joe the User | 11:53 |
| pupnik | i'd like something as responsive as Epoc was on the original netbook | 11:53 |
| pupnik | open device, start taking notes and/or sketching, or surfing | 11:54 |
| pupnik | no wait between any of those | 11:54 |
| RST38h | Doesn't NIT do that? | 11:54 |
| pupnik | yes | 11:55 |
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| pupnik | i have to play with the netbook again | 11:56 |
| johnx | the psion netbook you mean? | 11:57 |
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| RST38h | yea, because the "netbook" in its Intel interpretation is just a cheap shitty little laptop | 11:57 |
| johnx | but serviceable for some scenarios. HP | 11:58 |
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| johnx | HP's mini note looks nice for example | 11:59 |
| RST38h | It is actually twice as expensive | 12:00 |
| RST38h | And if you add a bit more, you can just buy yourself a real subnotebook about the same size | 12:00 |
| johnx | $380 is twice as much as what? | 12:00 |
| RST38h | Wasn't it more like $700? | 12:00 |
| johnx | it's CES right now :) | 12:01 |
| johnx | remember? | 12:01 |
| RST38h | $380 is actually nice :) | 12:01 |
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| johnx | and they have the 6 cell batteries out too ... finally | 12:01 |
| RST38h | There is no way I give up my Portege though, especially considering Atom's performance | 12:01 |
| johnx | yeah, trying to decide between something like that and a used thinkpad x32 is kinda tough | 12:04 |
| RST38h | No way I am buying a thinkpad | 12:05 |
| johnx | yeah, yeah | 12:06 |
| RST38h | It's like buying a LADA | 12:06 |
| johnx | that appeal doesn't work on me though. :D did I ever show you my previous car? | 12:07 |
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| RST38h | No, but the only way you can go lower than Lada is if you owned a ZAZ | 12:07 |
| RST38h | And there is no way you would either have it or know what it is | 12:08 |
| johnx | if they were nice to work on and sold at the right price... | 12:08 |
| johnx | I can be convinced to ignore a lot of ills | 12:08 |
| Meizirkki | ~curse sonera | 12:08 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, sonera ! | 12:08 |
| Meizirkki | I'm screwed :( | 12:08 |
| Meizirkki | My parents bought a faster internet immediately when it became available.. but. | 12:09 |
| Meizirkki | it's only 5gb per month | 12:09 |
| johnx | eep O_o | 12:09 |
| johnx | don't talk too much on IRC... might go over the limit | 12:09 |
| johnx | wired internet with a 5GB cap...just ouch | 12:09 |
| Meizirkki | it's wireless | 12:09 |
| johnx | aaah | 12:10 |
| Meizirkki | it have been two days here and i have already used 2gb | 12:10 |
| RST38h | porn? | 12:10 |
| Meizirkki | no | 12:10 |
| Meizirkki | Mer | 12:10 |
| RST38h | then WHAT? | 12:10 |
| johnx | time to get a part time job and start funding your own inet connection | 12:10 |
| Meizirkki | and a corrupted memorycard | 12:10 |
| Meizirkki | johnx: Yep :P | 12:10 |
| RST38h | weird...what is the scenario for this? | 12:10 |
| Meizirkki | ? | 12:11 |
| johnx | RST38h, a couple ubuntu debootstrap runs will soak up a lot of bandwidth | 12:11 |
| RST38h | hmm | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: look into having apt-proxy on your machine :P | 12:11 |
| Meizirkki | RST38h: and one try for KDE 4, and one for ubuntu-mobile | 12:12 |
| RST38h | aha, I see what you mean | 12:12 |
| RST38h | linux porn! | 12:12 |
| Meizirkki | :P | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: and how much per gb afterwards? | 12:12 |
| * Stskeeps stays way clear of capped connections personally | 12:12 | |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: time per gb? | 12:22 |
| Meizirkki | money per gb? | 12:22 |
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| Meizirkki | it's 39,90 € per month, 1 Mb/s (dl-speed about 130kb/s) wireless connetcion | 12:24 |
| Meizirkki | it uses the frequency of old nmt-phones ~450mHz | 12:26 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: what would the apt-proxy help? | 12:26 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: that it doesnt have to redownload packages that havent been updated | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | and caches them localyl | 12:27 |
| Meizirkki | ok, that would help a bit... | 12:28 |
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| Meizirkki | debootstrap would fly if dl:s packages from another computer :P | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: does maemo-launcher have to be a init.d script? :P | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | or even have one | 12:32 |
| johnx | I got rid of it :P | 12:32 |
| johnx | that's the maemo-launcher I just built...I thought | 12:32 |
| johnx | wait, is it still there? | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | think i ran into it just now on x86 | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | or it tries to work with it in postinst | 12:34 |
| johnx | ah, it won't remove it if it's already there | 12:34 |
| johnx | delete it by hand and do a reinstall | 12:35 |
| johnx | scripts in init.d are considered a "conf" file by debian and aren't touched | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | ah, its just cos it tries to init.d reload | 12:35 |
| johnx | it's really funny how many conf files they source when it runs just fine in start-hildon as exec maemo-launcher --daemon | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | well for theming(?) | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | and perhaps locales and such | 12:37 |
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| Meizirkki | Apt-get update on Mer says "Bad header line" with apt-proxy on my computer | 12:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yeah, you need to set it up :) | 13:05 |
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| Meizirkki | i did | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | or look into some other caching methods | 13:06 |
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| Stskeeps | woo \o/ the dead nokia chargers | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | charges | 13:07 |
| Meizirkki | it looks like apt-proxy only stores packages downloded by apt-get or aptitude.. So i386 > arm pretty difficult | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | apt-proxy can be used with debootstrap though | 13:13 |
| Meizirkki | yep | 13:13 |
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| Meizirkki | i'll move cache from Mer to my computer... | 13:13 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: does hildon-desktop-env make itself a x-session-manager alternative? | 13:21 |
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| johnx | yes | 13:26 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 13:27 |
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| smyows | the maemo will run on the n97? | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | if you can hack a linux kernel on top of it and a bootloader.. maybe? :P | 13:35 |
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| RST38h | http://blog.laptopmag.com/hyperspace-hands-on <=== check out "Pricing" part | 13:51 |
| RST38h | (and yes, it is Linux) | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 13:55 |
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| mavhc | that site's blocked at workschool for "criminal skills", obviously they've been reading about there not being any free software | 13:58 |
| RST38h | laptopmag blocked? | 14:00 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: worst part about the apple "laptop" is that the idea isn't completely insane | 14:15 |
| RST38h | Sts: The one from Onion? ;) | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:15 |
| RST38h | Sts: It's not insane given that you can put a display behind that huge rung | 14:16 |
| RST38h | ring | 14:16 |
| RST38h | Otherwise, the input will be too slow | 14:16 |
| johnx | DJs would love it | 14:17 |
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| RST38h | DJs and other lower lifeforms | 14:19 |
| * Stskeeps tries to boot the latest image. | 14:22 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: auto-startx is empty? | 14:23 |
| johnx | huh? | 14:23 |
| johnx | look in debian/ | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | package contents only have the copyright, changelog.Debian.gz | 14:24 |
| * johnx kries | 14:24 | |
| * johnx looks | 14:24 | |
| johnx | huh...well something got messed up it seems | 14:26 |
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| Stskeeps | seems like my windows machine is fucking up immensely (central file server broken at uni) | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | might encourage me to go earlier home, heh | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: source package doesnt have a init script | 14:31 |
| johnx | great. appears to be builder related | 14:31 |
| johnx | ok, probably me uploading the wrong version. :D | 14:31 |
| johnx | simple to fix. one sec | 14:31 |
| * lcuk turns the heaters on and closes the chan door | 14:34 | |
| johnx | chan door? cold air coming in from an open IRC window? | 14:34 |
| AstralSt | yes, close it NOW!!!1 | 14:34 |
| lcuk | close all the bloody windows, especially those wobbly linux ones :P | 14:35 |
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| * johnx prefers wobbly, springy windows. makes snapping them to screen edges easier | 14:36 | |
| lcuk | i dont like to snap windows anywhere, its a pain to cleanup | 14:36 |
| lcuk | i got lunch without asking you lot today btw, you can go outside and get your own | 14:37 |
| johnx | had dinner already. burritos! | 14:37 |
| lcuk | oh shit, reopen the windows | 14:37 |
| lcuk | im actually glad you are half a world away from me :D | 14:38 |
| johnx | lcuk, ever get your car's window washer resevoir unfrozen? | 14:38 |
| lcuk | not yet, it was even colder last night ;) | 14:38 |
| johnx | unfortunate :| | 14:38 |
| lcuk | but at least i know its not leaking yet | 14:38 |
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| lcuk | the blue washer stuff waqs still there, but frozen solid | 14:38 |
| andrewfblack | Morning | 14:39 |
| AstralSt | hehehe | 14:39 |
| AstralSt | replace with better fluid then | 14:39 |
| lcuk | cant get crappeh fluid out | 14:39 |
| johnx | eep. yeah, need washer fluid that has some better anti-freezing solution | 14:39 |
| AstralSt | Siberian variant | 14:39 |
| AstralSt | lcuk: use a building | 14:39 |
| johnx | lcuk, pull the resevoir and bring it inside :) | 14:39 |
| lcuk | i need to setup hose pipe to the hot water tap :) | 14:39 |
| johnx | heh...or just run the engine for a bit to warm it up :P | 14:39 |
| AstralSt | nah, it would oxidize (or rust, in layman terms) | 14:39 |
| lcuk | hahahahahahahahahaha, modern citroen, res is INSIDE the wing | 14:39 |
| AstralSt | esp. all the tubes | 14:40 |
| johnx | ahaha...fail | 14:40 |
| johnx | modern car fail | 14:40 |
| AstralSt | thus, you have to use a garage | 14:40 |
| johnx | sat right next to exhaust side of the block on my old supra | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | yeah K.I.S.S principle should be in effect for all cars | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: forgot to change version | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | +you | 14:40 |
| johnx | yeah, some part of my upload script messed up. probably happened last time | 14:40 |
| AstralSt | lcuk: well, then put some bag with hot water inside | 14:41 |
| AstralSt | and hope the water won't freeze | 14:41 |
| AstralSt | :P | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | saltwater maybe? :P | 14:41 |
| lcuk | ill just run the hose from the hot tap trickling through :) | 14:41 |
| AstralSt | uhm, it will still be too cool | 14:41 |
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| AstralSt | yes, that could work too | 14:41 |
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| * suihkulokki is waiting for the first modern car that comes with sticker on the hood: "warranty void if removed" | 14:41 | |
| johnx | Stskeeps, yes, saltwater...all over the inside of your car :P | 14:41 |
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| Stskeeps | mm. | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:41 |
| lcuk | johnf, actually saltwater splshes around all the time | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: no drivers license or any good knowledge of cars ;) | 14:42 |
| johnx | suihkulokki, close enough already. stupid plastic engine lids...like freaking tupperware | 14:42 |
| AstralSt | the problem is sheer amount of fluid to heat | 14:42 |
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| lcuk | gritted roads and stuff splash up | 14:42 |
| AstralSt | lcuk: if correctly greased and oiled, should do nothing | 14:42 |
| AstralSt | :) | 14:42 |
| johnx | lcuk, don't get it in more places than it already gets. a patch of it sitting inside a corner can be worse than a whole winter of salted roads | 14:42 |
| lcuk | AstralSt, i did think about using the jet wash thingy but it would be expensive | 14:42 |
| AstralSt | still, salt water doesn't help containing heat | 14:42 |
| AstralSt | only not freezing | 14:43 |
| lcuk | right, plain warm water, lots of it | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: what user does it start x as? | 14:43 |
| AstralSt | or some more dense fluid | 14:43 |
| johnx | user | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | (btw) | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | does it add user itself? | 14:43 |
| lcuk | if i cant get a hose ill just keep sending kits out with the kettle and hope to god we dont burst it | 14:43 |
| lcuk | AstralSt, that wont permiate throughthough if theres a blockage | 14:44 |
| lcuk | it will take about a fortnight in which case it will be thawed anyway | 14:44 |
| AstralSt | hm | 14:44 |
| AstralSt | is heating the container and all the pipes feasible? | 14:44 |
| lcuk | remember, icebergs last for months in saltwater | 14:44 |
| lcuk | with hot hosepipe yes | 14:45 |
| lcuk | and when ive got things started ill just shove the end of the pipe all the way down its neck and leave it for a couple of hours | 14:45 |
| johnx | lcuk, I ask again: can you easily pull the resevoir and take it inside? | 14:46 |
| lcuk | yes, if i take the wing off the car | 14:46 |
| johnx | wait, how do you fill it? | 14:46 |
| johnx | is there a spout somewhere else? | 14:46 |
| lcuk | with a spout | 14:46 |
| johnx | your car is broken. get a 1969 VW Bug | 14:46 |
| lcuk | thats no way to suppoort my windows vista mobile | 14:47 |
| johnx | I'll probably never buy a car made after 96 or so | 14:47 |
| johnx | too $(%*ing hard to deal with. I *was* looking at a bug for a while honestly. they look so easy to work on | 14:48 |
| AstralSt | johnx: check the Korean cars | 14:48 |
| AstralSt | or Chinese ;P | 14:48 |
| lcuk | yeah, the mrs drools everytime and i can see the appeal | 14:48 |
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| AstralSt | the latter can be fixed with a hammer | 14:48 |
| AstralSt | pliers | 14:48 |
| AstralSt | and a bit of ljuck | 14:48 |
| AstralSt | *luck | 14:48 |
| lardman | lcuk: where's this reservoir? Inside the front wing? | 14:48 |
| florian | johnx: its in fact really easy... and you still get all sorts spare parts very cheap | 14:49 |
| johnx | AstralSt, korean? Hyundai cars still have plastic tupperware over the engine | 14:49 |
| lcuk | yeah simon | 14:49 |
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| lardman | but still in the engine bay | 14:49 |
| lcuk | yeah | 14:49 |
| lardman | I'd go with the switch it on approach | 14:49 |
| lcuk | just leave car idling or actively drive round for hours? | 14:50 |
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| lardman | drive round for a bit, otherwise you won't get any heat into the block | 14:50 |
| johnx | florian, and great gas mileage, and a nice RR layout. I went for a 96 subie instead for the AWD. | 14:50 |
| lardman | then leave it to soak, at idle | 14:50 |
| lcuk | no lardman but the problem there is the roads are so crapped up i need wipers and fluid | 14:50 |
| lardman | or stick it in the garage do it doesn't get cold straight away | 14:50 |
| johnx | lardman, he can't drive around because he needs with washer to keep his windows de-iced as he drives :P | 14:50 |
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| lardman | ah, sit in neutral at 3k rpm then | 14:51 |
| stv0 | hello ;) | 14:51 |
| lardman | :) | 14:51 |
| lcuk | heh :D | 14:51 |
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| lcuk | ill leave luke revving it | 14:51 |
| lardman | lol | 14:51 |
| lardman | Yes officer, a very small boy stole my car, no, no idea who he was | 14:51 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, think it'll do the right thing now | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: alright | 14:51 |
| johnx | I think I did a commit but not a push last time... eep | 14:52 |
| lcuk | heh yeah, i have to do something though, ill just see if tracy will go places tonight | 14:52 |
| lardman | what, she doens't need to see out the front? | 14:52 |
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| stv0 | i'm missing the handwriting input method | 14:53 |
| lardman | though in this weather, roll down the side windows, probably of more use while sliding sideways :) | 14:53 |
| stv0 | what happended with it? | 14:53 |
| lcuk | she can keep coming back for pitstops ;) i hate local driving | 14:53 |
| lcuk | its not that bad just locally but as soon as you get on the motorway this grey sludge forms | 14:53 |
| lardman | yeah | 14:54 |
| johnx | stick your head out the window and drive sideways. problem solved | 14:54 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: any chance it's still missing the actual init? .. | 14:54 |
| lcuk | heh, nothing new for me then, tracy says i corner like a maniac | 14:54 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, if I build it out of my source tree I get the init file... | 14:55 |
| lcuk | lardman, libliqbase is looking quite nice and stuff now :) im hammering it into a proper api | 14:55 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: source package has debian/changelog, compat control copyright and rules | 14:56 |
| * lcuk is learning a lot | 14:56 | |
| Stskeeps | (0.2-mer2) | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | and nothing else | 14:56 |
| lardman | lcuk: cool, I need to get doing some programming after the new year break | 14:56 |
| lcuk | you still on holidays? | 14:56 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, missed a bzr add. makes a lot more sense now | 14:56 |
| johnx | sigh. got it now. | 14:57 |
| lardman | lcuk: no way, back at work | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: building osso-xterm in the meantime | 14:57 |
| lcuk | did you get holly anything nice? did she get you anytihn | 14:57 |
| lardman | nah, just usual sorts of things - books, dvds, etc | 14:58 |
| lardman | we were aiming for a cheap-ish xmas | 14:58 |
| lcuk | as lots of ppl were | 14:58 |
| lcuk | bbl, work calling | 15:01 |
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| RST38h | crisis! | 15:06 |
| * Stskeeps is just looking forward to osso-xterm building and woring. | 15:06 | |
| Stskeeps | +k | 15:06 |
| johnx | lcuk, the big retailers weren't looking for a cheap x-mas. :P | 15:07 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, hildon dies when using advanced backlight under x86 | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | wonder why.. :> | 15:11 |
| lardman | it tries to read the hw directly doesn;t it? | 15:12 |
| lardman | with an ioctl? | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | tries to communicate with dsme | 15:12 |
| lardman | oh right, back to sleep for me :) | 15:12 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: it dies on arm too if i try to change volume lever | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | oh, doesnt for me, strange :P | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: auto-startx works | 15:14 |
| Meizirkki | What does it do? | 15:14 |
| Meizirkki | auto-startx | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | instead of the rc.local trick | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | and makes X run as a user instead | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | / hildon | 15:15 |
| Meizirkki | user must be "user"? | 15:15 |
| johnx | Meizirkki, auto-login and start X as user or whoever you specify in /etc/default/autologin | 15:15 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 15:15 |
| Meizirkki | i'll use gdm with no password trick | 15:15 |
| johnx | echo PREFERED_USER=meiz > /etc/default/autologin | 15:15 |
| Meizirkki | ok | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: can you test osso-xterm later if it works on armel? seems to crash on x86 | 15:15 |
| johnx | I'll save 5% of my RAM and just use auto-startx :) | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | so just curious what the heck happens | 15:16 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i'll install osso-xterm soon | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:16 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: successful demo of auto-startx ;) | 15:32 |
| johnx | good. it was working my local builds for quite a while. I just missed one bzr add. dur. | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | made a new x86 image and presented to co-workers so :P | 15:32 |
| johnx | hot :D | 15:33 |
| johnx | what hardware did you demo on? | 15:33 |
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| AstralSt | cow-orkers? | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | d945gclf2 intel board with tv attached, SATA -> compact flash convertor | 15:34 |
| AstralSt | hmm :) | 15:34 |
| AstralSt | fairly beefy hardware | 15:34 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, they should buy you some x86 tablet or MID | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: hehe, our target is TV atm so :P | 15:34 |
| johnx | interesting | 15:34 |
| AstralSt | nice | 15:34 |
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| Meiz_n810 | !! I can install mer to my jaunty machine now (without destroying gnome!) hehee | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | but the idea is to be able to move to whatever device we need to | 15:34 |
| AstralSt | probably some set-top box? | 15:34 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: with a bit of pinning, yeah :P | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | AstralSt: in this case, yeah | 15:35 |
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| Meiz_n810 | grr... seriously this 5gb/month freaks me out! | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | what did you have before? isdn? | 15:35 |
| Meiz_n810 | adsl | 15:35 |
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| Meiz_n810 | with no data/month limit | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 15:36 |
| Meiz_n810 | this new is wireless, 100% faster, but has 5gb/month | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | find out how much it would cost to get it to be flatrate instead? :P | 15:37 |
| AstralSt | impossible? | 15:37 |
| AstralSt | :P | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | not impossible | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | it's just slightly more expensive | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:37 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i will | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: so, goal for 0.5 is osso-xterm working, first-boot-wizard? | 15:38 |
| johnx | will poke at it more tonight | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | k | 15:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | i'll try if the latest tear works... | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | grr, osso-xterm just segfaults :P | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | without any good reason why | 15:42 |
| AstralSt | Stskeeps: see, I'm in a place where ADSL wiring is damaged by actual rats | 15:43 |
| AstralSt | and nothing else wired is available | 15:43 |
| AstralSt | so I'm (ab)using HSDPA with 6G/mo limit | 15:43 |
| * Meiz_n810 boots to Mer... | 15:44 | |
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| aquatix | AstralSt: heh :) | 15:48 |
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| Meizirkki | grr, i cannot boot to mer | 16:01 |
| Meizirkki | it just stays on Starting linuxrc from mer... | 16:02 |
| Meizirkki | :( | 16:02 |
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| Meizirkki | how can i flash a fresh initfs from nokia fiasco? | 16:07 |
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| johnx | Meizirkki, unpack it with flasher-3.0 then flash just the initfs | 16:09 |
| AstralSt | yes, --flash-only initfs | 16:09 |
| johnx | yeah, or that | 16:09 |
| Meizirkki | thanks | 16:09 |
| AstralSt | or IIRC, -n | 16:09 |
| Meizirkki | thanks | 16:09 |
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| Meizirkki | noh, still stucks on "Starting linuxrc from mer" :( | 16:14 |
| rzr | hi Meizirkki , do you have images of mer ? | 16:16 |
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| Meizirkki | no, but i can make one right noww | 16:16 |
| JohnFlux | anyone here use scratchbox? | 16:18 |
| JohnFlux | I'm trying to work out how to change the autoconf etc version | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | JohnFlux: blood sweat and tears | 16:21 |
| rzr | Meizirkki: i'll be curious to test this | 16:21 |
| JohnFlux | Stskeeps: :-) | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | there should be sufficient autoconf stuff though | 16:21 |
| rzr | Meizirkki: just tested nitdroid yesterday : http://rzr.online.fr/q/nit | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | rzr: a new 0.5 image will come out sooner or later now | 16:22 |
| rzr | great | 16:22 |
| rzr | i'll do this too | 16:22 |
| Meizirkki | Good.. I just remembered that i'm not gonna upload anyhing with 5gb/month limit... :P | 16:23 |
| rzr | upload it once , at the end of the month :) | 16:24 |
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| JohnFlux | Stskeeps: ah, SBOX_DEFAULT_AUTOMAKE=1.9;export SBOX_DEFAULT_AUTOMAKE. | 16:26 |
| JohnFlux | Stskeeps: that does it :-) | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: think i'll build a 0.5 image with auto-startx to get things a little more sane | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | the old image is a bit stale so | 16:27 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, sounds good. also, we're finally really session based! woo! | 16:27 |
| johnx | wonder if Nokia is doing their own session-oriented thing for fremantle :/ | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | what else should i include in standard image? | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: any suggestions? | 16:32 |
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| Meizirkki | Tear if it works :P | 16:33 |
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| Meizirkki | But i can't try it because i am unable to boot! :( | 16:33 |
| Meizirkki | ~nuke shitty initfs | 16:34 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at shitty initfs ... B☢☢M! | 16:34 | |
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| Stskeeps | install deblet bootmenu? :P | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: any apps you've found helpful? :P | 16:36 |
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| Meizirkki | i have deblet's bootmenu... | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | can i see your bootmenu item? | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | and how did you untar the image tar.gz? | 16:37 |
| Meizirkki | i can't think i'm so pissed off right now, sec... | 16:38 |
| Meizirkki | i used imager | 16:38 |
| Meizirkki | everyhing gone well | 16:38 |
| Meizirkki | i'll pastebin the bootmenu item | 16:39 |
| Meizirkki | s/ item/.conf/ | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:39 |
| Meizirkki | hmm, chroot fails. no /bin/sh o_O | 16:39 |
| lcuk | johnx, session oriented thing? user login sessions? :D ? | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like something went wrong :P | 16:40 |
| Meizirkki | it chrooted while ago... | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: is it mounted? :P | 16:40 |
| Meizirkki | yes it is | 16:40 |
| johnx | lcuk, the potential to support those later. :P right now at least stuff isn't running from init.d anymore. hildon can be used with a display manager now | 16:40 |
| Meizirkki | wait, not sure | 16:40 |
| Meizirkki | pastebin.com/m4206e202 | 16:41 |
| Meizirkki | (bootmenu.conf) | 16:41 |
| lcuk | johnx, ahhh so a session on tvout for instance and one active display? or am i getting knickersi na twist still | 16:41 |
| johnx | lcuk, knickers, twisted. yes | 16:42 |
| Meizirkki | i hope it boots now.. | 16:42 |
| lcuk | ok ill rearrange and try again later ;) | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: bootmenu.conf which is in /mnt/initfs too | 16:42 |
| johnx | lcuk, but actually, with two x servers you could do that I suppose...so sure, why not? :) | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: actually since we have xorg.. | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | you could do a dual screen tablet probably, with usbvga | 16:43 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i used your bootmenu installer, and bootmenu comes up. So i think it is there | 16:43 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, that would be triple screen | 16:43 |
| lcuk | anyway, i was just curious about sessions, ill find out more later | 16:43 |
| johnx | lcuk, basically in Nokia's distro user level desktop stuff was started as part of the system init. Now, it's all nicely compartmentalized and done like a normal linux distro | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: k, and you use your own bootmenu.conf | 16:43 |
| lcuk | oooh johnx, good | 16:44 |
| lcuk | thanks, cya in a bit | 16:44 |
| johnx | lcuk, and actually, yes, with xorg, we are capable of supporting two screens at once if the hardware supports it, as Stskeeps said. no need to run two x servers now that I think about it correctly | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | we're actually able to support more probably, :P | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | cluster of usbvga.. hmm :P | 16:44 |
| johnx | heh...with one poor overworked tablet driving them all via a 7 port hub :P | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | neat demo anyway :P | 16:45 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: it's the deblet one, just modified a bit, when i select Mer, it hangs showing me "Starting linuxrc from mer (mmcblk0p2) (ext3) ..." | 16:45 |
| Meizirkki | i have chmod 777 it and still that happens | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: mm, that bootmenu.conf isn't using bootmenu items though | 16:46 |
| Meizirkki | I first tried the item-using bootmenu.conf, same happened | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | k | 16:47 |
| Meizirkki | then i removed the items and made my own bootmenu.conf, hoping that would help :( | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | wait some hours and grab the 0.5 image instead to base off | 16:48 |
| Meizirkki | if i can't get this run i will.. before that i'll ~curse sonera couple of times for giving us a data/month limit :P | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:49 |
| Meizirkki | !! | 16:49 |
| Meizirkki | haha, i can use the old modem | 16:49 |
| Meizirkki | as long as it works | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | in my family we still have the imap accounts from the isp we had in 2000 :P | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | imap/pop3 | 16:50 |
| * johnx remembers when his cousin used to own an ISP | 16:51 | |
| Stskeeps | heh, wasnt it mostly a T1 and a modem pool? :P | 16:51 |
| johnx | yeah, very likely | 16:53 |
| johnx | I had free service until they got bought out | 16:53 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: what's the best route for me to start beating ont he new hotness? | 16:53 |
| johnx | and man...getting bought out was a great way to leave the game. in another couple years DSL and cable sprung up in the area | 16:53 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: well there's still the sapwood issue | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | and i would like your imager scripts | 16:54 |
| r2d2rogers | doh | 16:54 |
| r2d2rogers | rigth | 16:54 |
| r2d2rogers | will push those | 16:55 |
| JohnFlux | Stskeeps: don't suppose you know how to get Xinput.h in scratchbox? :) | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | then i can start generating 770 images, so | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | JohnFlux: libxi-dev? :P | 16:55 |
| JohnFlux | Stskeeps: I have that installed, but it doesn't seem to contain it.. | 16:56 |
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| Stskeeps | not sure then, my area is Mer SDK :P | 16:56 |
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| JohnFlux | Stskeeps: rats. dpkg -L libxi-dev show no .h files in it at all hum | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | right, off to bus | 17:00 |
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| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i am sure now what went wrong... | 17:18 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i ran imager when i was booted to cloned maemo | 17:18 |
| Meiz_n810 | on internal | 17:19 |
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| Meiz_n810 | "that's why all 3 tries before this were corrupted completely"... | 17:19 |
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| StsN800 | ah | 17:19 |
| Meiz_n810 | i'll wait for the 0.5 release... | 17:20 |
| StsN800 | k, building it atm | 17:20 |
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| Meiz_n810 | building will surely take less than downloading it with the old connection... | 17:20 |
| StsN800 | yeah | 17:21 |
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| Meiz_n810 | ~curse sonera, for giving data limit to Meiz | 17:22 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, sonera, for giving data limit to Meiz ! | 17:22 |
| Meiz_n810 | that feels good... | 17:23 |
| Meiz_n810 | :P | 17:23 |
| RST38h | Meiz: what happens w=once you exceed the limit? | 17:23 |
| Meiz_n810 | they will first low priority | 17:23 |
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| Meiz_n810 | that other modems near override ours | 17:24 |
| Meiz_n810 | then they can take the connection away :( | 17:24 |
| Meiz_n810 | i'll call and ask how much i have to pay for limit-less connection | 17:25 |
| aquatix | if there is any | 17:25 |
| RST38h | Wonderful | 17:25 |
| * RST38h just pays per-megabyte once he exceeds the 11GB cap | 17:26 | |
| RST38h | Or is it 20GB now? Mhm | 17:26 |
| aquatix | on your line? | 17:26 |
| aquatix | or is that for wireless? | 17:26 |
| RST38h | Ethernet | 17:27 |
| aquatix | erm, you have ethernet to your home? | 17:27 |
| RST38h | $24/month for 15GB + $.01/MB for anything extra | 17:28 |
| RST38h | aquatix: yep | 17:28 |
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| RST38h | Ah, almost forgotten: all local traffic is free. | 17:28 |
| aquatix | RST38h: that's some city LAN? | 17:28 |
| RST38h | aquatix: communal network, covers pretty much whole north-west/north of the city | 17:29 |
| RST38h | http://www.ultranet.ru/page.php?57#2 | 17:29 |
| aquatix | neat | 17:29 |
| * RST38h wonders how long before some big company buys them and ruins the service | 17:29 | |
| aquatix | if they're nice, they refuse to sell themselves | 17:30 |
| RST38h | it does not work this way. They are usually made an offer they can't refuse. | 17:30 |
| derf | It's Russia, after all. | 17:31 |
| RST38h | Exactly. | 17:31 |
| aquatix | damn capitalists ;) | 17:31 |
| aquatix | oh the irony | 17:31 |
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| derf | Yes, because there was certainly no Russian mafia under communism. | 17:37 |
| RST38h | It has nothing to do with mafia. In fact, "Russian mafia" is pretty much gone now. | 17:37 |
| johnx | RST38h, much easier to change the laws and do things legit anyways :) | 17:38 |
| RST38h | There is a plenty of laws and regulations though and a lot of officials ready to enforce them, for a fee. | 17:38 |
| aquatix | all gone bankrupt? | 17:38 |
| aquatix | hehehe | 17:38 |
| derf | RST38h: My point was there was one under communism. | 17:38 |
| RST38h | aquatix: replaced by public servants =) | 17:39 |
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| johnx | s/replaced/became/ :) | 17:39 |
| RST38h | derf: Not in the normal meaning of the word | 17:39 |
| RST38h | johnx: Replaced. | 17:39 |
| aquatix | hmm, public servant mafia... | 17:39 |
| RST38h | johnx: The old style purple-suit guys got mostly killed or jailed | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | i find it funny unlock hacks for iphone make it to be direct articles in newspapers.. | 17:40 |
| johnx | I find it funny how people keep spending time working with non-open hardware | 17:40 |
| RST38h | johnx: Instead, the place has gone to the old Soviet system where extensive laws made you guilty by definition and a government official could choose whether to let you live for now or prosecute you | 17:41 |
| aquatix | i find it funny how the iphone is considered revolutionary | 17:41 |
| RST38h | iPhone is shiny! | 17:41 |
| aquatix | so is my m600i :P | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Shiny things are always revolutionary! | 17:41 |
| aquatix | and my phone has more buttons, so it's better ;) | 17:42 |
| johnx | RST38h, sounds like what the US or UK police will be like in 10-20 years | 17:42 |
| RST38h | aquatix: your phone has no halo and iPhone does! | 17:42 |
| aquatix | (the iphone remembered me of my years old Sony Clie TH55) | 17:42 |
| RST38h | johnx: Yes, in fact the longer I watch the crap ongoing in the States, the more I believe that | 17:42 |
| aquatix | RST38h: my phone has a C64 emulator and one for lucas arts games | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | mm. c64 emu | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | we have one for tablet yet? :P | 17:43 |
| RST38h | aquatix: I think I also support m600i, as long as it is a UIQ phone | 17:43 |
| johnx | RST38h, used to get pulled over so often for crap reasons. my real crime was "driving a crappy car in a nice neighborhood, late at night" | 17:43 |
| aquatix | not sure | 17:43 |
| RST38h | Sts: think so, we have got Frodo | 17:43 |
| aquatix | RST38h: it's uiq3 | 17:43 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Should work then | 17:43 |
| aquatix | yeah, frodo \o/ | 17:43 |
| aquatix | RST38h: that's about halo? | 17:43 |
| RST38h | johnx: I have only got into this situation once. NJ Turnpike. A car with MD plates full of young people. | 17:44 |
| RST38h | johnx: Speeding of course, but who wasn't? | 17:44 |
| aquatix | johnx: then steal a non-crappy car dammit | 17:44 |
| RST38h | johnx: The NJ cops REALLY wanted me to pay at the spot | 17:44 |
| johnx | RST38h, lol. *I* wasn't. I got pulled over for slowing down after the police started tailgating me | 17:44 |
| RST38h | johnx: I mean, really, REALLY wanted it | 17:44 |
| derf | The first step to a police state is to make everyone a criminal. | 17:44 |
| RST38h | johnx: "Hey, man, where the hell are you crawling?" ? =) | 17:45 |
| derf | But I think the US has a long way to go to get there. | 17:45 |
| RST38h | derf: It only takes a very few corrections to the laws, really | 17:45 |
| johnx | derf, it's ok, we can get there together! | 17:45 |
| RST38h | derf: perfectly sellable to the public, once you terrorise it enough | 17:45 |
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| derf | RST38h: If the US survived the drug trade without becoming a police state, I'm at least cautiously optimistic about our long-term chances. | 17:46 |
| aquatix | the US isn't a police state? | 17:46 |
| RST38h | derf: In fact, you already can't freely choose your conversation subjects while at airports, you can't freely take pictures | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | wtf @ 70's musical of war of the worlds.. | 17:47 |
| * aquatix looks at the requirements to get into the country, if only on vacation | 17:47 | |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: musical or that play? | 17:47 |
| RST38h | derf: You can't freely access stuff at the internet | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | aquatix: jeff wayne, so a musical | 17:47 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: the LP rocks :) | 17:47 |
| derf | RST38h: I can't? | 17:47 |
| aquatix | yeah, jeff wayne | 17:48 |
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| Stskeeps | it's still a bit of a wtf though :> | 17:48 |
| RST38h | derf: Nope - remember, the feds can always claim you are downloading child pornography *or* copyrighted stuff | 17:48 |
| RST38h | derf: In fact, they often do now. | 17:48 |
| RST38h | derf: Ah, btw, looking at bomb making tutorials is also off limits =) | 17:49 |
| derf | And those kinds of accusations are _very_ difficult to actually make stick in court. | 17:49 |
| RST38h | derf: They don't have to make 'em stick | 17:49 |
| RST38h | derf: Confiscating all your equipment and detaining you for a while are pretty nice tools on their own | 17:49 |
| RST38h | derf: Russians know it all too well | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | derf: and having police come and confiscate your equipment and carrying you away in shackles is always a good way to estrange your neighbours . | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:50 |
| johnx | depends on the neighbors | 17:50 |
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| johnx | either estranges you or makes you a local hero | 17:50 |
| derf | So you think people should be "free" to download CP? | 17:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: Sts is basically true as far as US is concerned | 17:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: People are afraid and do not want to get involved | 17:51 |
| derf | RST38h: Not if you live in Texas. | 17:51 |
| RST38h | derf: I think vague, hard to prove claims should not be used for incrimination | 17:52 |
| derf | I'm not sure that that is a vague claim. | 17:52 |
| RST38h | derf: So, if some creep is jerking odd at child pornography, let him do it for now and go for the pornography SOURCE instead | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | people could really need a fair bit of common sense.. let's say, guy working in a kinder garden, gets some bogus claim against him that he touched a child inappropiately, and even if it was proved it definately never happened, the guy wouldn't be able to find work again in that area and rumours go fast.. | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 17:53 |
| RST38h | derf: BTW, Sts is raising a good topic | 17:53 |
| derf | Stskeeps: Sure, but that has nothing to do with the law. | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | derf: it follows along with the fact people assume people who get arrested are guilty by definition :P | 17:53 |
| RST38h | derf: You know that US kindergarten personnel will not wipe your kid's ass unless you sign a paper explicitely freeing them from any liability? =) | 17:54 |
| derf | Last I checked the legal system in this country still used "innocent until proven guilty". | 17:54 |
| RST38h | derf: Correct. | 17:54 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: i really like that Jeff Wayne version though, even was a tad disappointed the new movie didn't include a piece of the music | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | derf: i still wonder if innocent until proven guilty is against human nature.. | 17:54 |
| johnx | RST38h, I'm beginning to believe that's a cultural thing, not really a legal one | 17:54 |
| aquatix | movie was a big disappointment anyway | 17:54 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Maybe, but it does not say anything good about the culture | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | as in, i fully support the principle of innocent until proven guilty, but people act totally contrary to that at times | 17:54 |
| derf | But people will only assume the arrested are guilty if the police actually only arrest guilty people most of the time. | 17:55 |
| derf | If the police start getting out of hand, that assumption will correct itself. | 17:55 |
| RST38h | derf: Theoretically, yes | 17:55 |
| johnx | RST38h, it's an interesting balance between: easy to get people in trouble for things that never happened and impossible to get people held responsible for stuff that everyone knows happened | 17:55 |
| RST38h | derf: Practically, it depends on many factors. | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | in .dk we have the interesting effect that people get worried if there are police on the street, instead of feeling more protected :P | 17:55 |
| aquatix | :) | 17:55 |
| aquatix | i have the same feeling actually | 17:56 |
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| Stskeeps | cos if there -are- cops, it's a sign there's something up :P | 17:56 |
| aquatix | if i see police `hanging around', i start getting worried | 17:56 |
| aquatix | yeah | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | then again we have mostly sane police in .dk :P | 17:56 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, same in the states. not so in Japan...because the police in Japan are largely ineffective except to give you directions | 17:56 |
| RST38h | johnx: It's really easy to avoid, you just have to be prepared to live with the fact that some crap will go unpunished | 17:56 |
| derf | johnx: That's because Japan doesn't have very much crime for them to be effective against. | 17:57 |
| johnx | RST38h, and that crap often comes from the highest levels. | 17:57 |
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| RST38h | johnx: that too, but I mostly mean minor crap, copyright violations, people looking at stuff they are "not supposed" to look at etc | 17:57 |
| johnx | derf, also true...to a certain extent. though read any story about what happens in a Japanese high speed chase... | 17:57 |
| RST38h | <away> | 17:57 |
| johnx | RST38h, you don't get to pick and choose...it's a very broad cultural thing :P | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: how's the mer echo theme going btw? | 17:59 |
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| derf | johnx: Google doesn't turn up any. | 18:02 |
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| johnx | derf, ah, sad. let me try and find it. it was truly epic if I recall | 18:02 |
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| johnx | derf, http://archive.japantoday.com/jp/news/425997 | 18:07 |
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| derf | johnx: That's what happens when you have lots of police and no crime. | 18:11 |
| johnx | and slow cars...and I have to assume little training into "offensive driving" | 18:12 |
| lardman | slow cars? I some pretty quick Japanese cars | 18:12 |
| johnx | lardman, yeah. quicker than most police cars :P | 18:13 |
| derf | johnx: But why would you invest in those things when they're not really a problem most of the time? | 18:13 |
| lardman | yeah, well Police sholdn't chase people anyway | 18:13 |
| lardman | though I am tempted by the US approach of just shooting the buggers if they drive off | 18:14 |
| johnx | derf, the cars I will give you...the "what to do in a high speed chase" training should be part of any police training | 18:14 |
| lardman | works better than our method of chasing them endlessly until they or the Police car causes an accident of its own | 18:14 |
| derf | lardman: I think that's what actually happened here. | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: think danish policy is they try to avoid high speed chases cos of the very potential damages | 18:14 |
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| lardman | helicopter + one or two cars driving at a safe distance; or shoot them :) | 18:15 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, exactly. *that* makes the most sense. put up a helicopter as soon as you can and just follow 'em. | 18:15 |
| * lardman thinks that Apache drivers could get some practice in | 18:15 | |
| aquatix | :) | 18:16 |
| aquatix | `yeah, there was some colateral damage, but hey, we got that sucker!' | 18:16 |
| lardman | :D | 18:17 |
| johnx | or we could just install a police-override in every car... | 18:17 |
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| aquatix | johnx: yeah, lets do that, and install the trusted computing platform too for good measure | 18:18 |
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| johnx | aquatix, for sure. and make sure we hand MS a fat contract to put wince on it | 18:19 |
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| johnx | awesome | 18:25 |
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| Stskeeps | 117mb tar.gz image | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | (no clue about jffs2 atm) | 18:35 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, want me to try and be the first to boot mer off flash? :P | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, if you want | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't docpurged though | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | heh, docpurge isn't a hard thing to copy :P | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | 117mb as a tar.gz should be fine though | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it can probably be more stripped down | 18:37 |
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| qwerty12 | I'll need the deblet bootmenu right? | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | depends if you're going by booting something else than initfs or not | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | just hang on a bit while i test it on my own tablet first :) | 18:38 |
| Meiz__n810 | Stskeeps: did you post a link? i missed (connection problems) | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | no, not yet | 18:38 |
| Meiz__n810 | k | 18:38 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, well, I can't do much else if I don't have a link ;P | 18:38 |
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| qwerty12 | may as well get prepared meanwhile by dumping the contents of my current flash into a jffs2 image ;) | 18:39 |
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| Stskeeps | we so need an initial image before hildon boots.. | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | i suddenly understand why the hands image is there | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:49 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: you were talking about dialog placement patch? | 18:49 |
| * qwerty12 refrains from pointing you to Benson's modification of the image | 18:49 | |
| johnx | how about a picture of the desktop? | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | take a screenshot once its rendered? ;) | 18:50 |
| johnx | exactly! | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, well, I don't think Matan released the source but he released a binary. Maybe if you ask nicely... | 18:50 |
| johnx | it would be just like windows 95 -> XP or so | 18:50 |
| Meizirkki_ | hehe, is it possible to add Composite option into xorg.conf? | 18:50 |
| Meizirkki_ | in Mert | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 18:51 |
| Meizirkki_ | Mer | 18:51 |
| Meizirkki_ | jauntys xcompmgr and transset are working btw | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | Doesn't that mean that composite is already enabled then? | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | s/composite/compositing/ | 18:51 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Doesn't that mean that compositing is already enabled then? | 18:51 |
| * Stskeeps notes to himself the he can't kill root proceses when hildon is running as user.. | 18:52 | |
| Meizirkki_ | no, but they work if installed and startted | 18:52 |
| Meizirkki_ | -t | 18:52 |
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| RST38h | <back> | 18:52 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, echo PREFERED_USER=root > /etc/default/autologin | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.5.tar.gz ready for consumption | 18:52 |
| johnx | we can *do* things like that now :) | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:53 |
| RST38h | Who wanted emulators for an UIQ3 gadget? | 18:53 |
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| * qwerty12 remembers posting links to the first 2 you released for uiq3 on ipmart :P | 18:54 | |
| Stskeeps | pirate? :> | 18:54 |
| RST38h | what is ipmart, anyway? | 18:54 |
| RST38h | UIQ3 Binaries: http://fms.komkon.org/EmuSymbian/ (follow instructions) | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, dunno, I just like the forum :P. Although my service cable I bought for Sony Ericsson from Germany has the ipmart logo on it :P | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yep, I used to share actually... | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: btw osso-xterm crashes :( | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, roxterm? :( | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | or at least it did on x86 | 18:56 |
| Meizirkki_ | qwerty12: roxterm did not kick up h-i-m lats time i tried | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | Meizirkki_, damn :( | 18:57 |
| Meizirkki_ | Maybe osso-xterm will work on arm :) | 18:58 |
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| cthulhu | RST38h, no | 18:59 |
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| RST38h | qwerty, thr false god | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | nop, crashes on mer too | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | (armel) | 18:59 |
| Meizirkki_ | :( | 19:00 |
| Meizirkki_ | how about installing the original maemo one ? :P | 19:00 |
| RST38h | qwerty: The Tentacled One will punish you for that. And for those octopus sushi you had! | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | well this is the original, except its trunk :P | 19:01 |
| Meizirkki_ | yep | 19:01 |
| johnx | RST38h, mmmm, kaiten-zushi! | 19:01 |
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| qwerty12 | RST38h, hmm, I've always wondered how good cthulhu tasted when barbecued.... | 19:01 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: like rubber. | 19:01 |
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| johnx | yeah, tako sashimi is even when *good* and *fresh* very chewy | 19:02 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki_: happen to know if mono was ported to ubuntu arm? | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | (.. just for kicks) | 19:03 |
| Meizirkki_ | i don't know... | 19:03 |
| Meizirkki_ | i'll install i386 version of Mer soon (before the limitless connection will be down) | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | mm, thats not that easy though | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/armel/cacao-oj6-jdk/6b13~pre1-0ubuntu2 | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | could also do an interesting demo with this :P | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, what's latest version of deblet bootmenu? | 19:05 |
| johnx | is there something that runs on java that you actually need? | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | oh, er, I assume it's in the deblet repo. sorry. | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | no clue, but taking j2me / j2se apps couldn't be bad :P | 19:06 |
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| johnx | ah, natively running j2me would be darn neat | 19:06 |
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| Stskeeps | building phoneme shouldn't be impossible | 19:06 |
| johnx | someone needs to integrate davlik into a normal linux install... | 19:07 |
| johnx | the whole environment I'm not too fond of ... but there are some really neat apps | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | hm, jalimo doesn't seem that insane | 19:08 |
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| RST38h | Sts: I would suggest sticking with j2me | 19:10 |
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| RST38h | Sts: The only question is whether you will find a small enough runtime environment | 19:10 |
| Meizirkki_ | If i want to install hildon-desktop-env to my ubuntu-box these packages will be removed | 19:10 |
| Meizirkki_ | fast-user-switch-applet gconf2-common gnome-applets gnome-control-center | 19:10 |
| Meizirkki_ | gnome-panel gnome-session gnome-themes gtk2-engines-pixbuf | 19:10 |
| Meizirkki_ | libgnomevfs2-common libgnomevfs2-extra nautilus nautilus-cd-burner | 19:10 |
| Meizirkki_ | nautilus-share ubuntu-desktop | 19:10 |
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| RST38h | johnx: AFAIK, Davlik won't run standard j2me apps | 19:11 |
| johnx | RST38h, I'm interested in android apps more than j2me apps really | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well, i dont want to run j2me in internal flash | 19:11 |
| RST38h | johnx: If we are talking about pirat^H^H^Hstandard j2me games, you only need j2me and a couple of platform extensions | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki_: mm, be aware that this is jaunty, not intrepid | 19:11 |
| RST38h | johnx: Then you want to port the whole android | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | and i wouldn't recommend what you're doing | 19:11 |
| RST38h | johnx: Including the kernel I am afraid | 19:12 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Somebody at this channel once said that there are kernel changes needed for android to work properly | 19:12 |
| johnx | RST38h, me | 19:12 |
| RST38h | PhoneME would probably work except for two things: | 19:13 |
| johnx | RST38h, *I* said it. and it's true, for the current implementation of davlik and the libc it runs on... | 19:13 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Then things are fucked =( Unless these kernel extensions are harmless enough to just roll them into Mer | 19:13 |
| johnx | RST38h, it's just a better low memory killer, and some other crap. I'm sure it can be abstracted away by a different implementation of the davlik vm | 19:14 |
| yigal | what is the easiest way to install a recent abiword. | 19:14 |
| yigal | s/./? | 19:14 |
| RST38h | PhoneME: 1) make sure SSL sources are included into it (that is a gotcha SUN plays to make you pay them) and 2) If it uses KVM, things will be dead slow | 19:14 |
| Meizirkki_ | Stskeeps: i'll still... | 19:14 |
| Meizirkki_ | :P | 19:14 |
| RST38h | yigal: Add extras-devel, install, remove extras-devel | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki_: if you nuke your ubuntu install, it's not my fault ;) | 19:15 |
| RST38h | yigal: Do you read Hebrew by any chance? | 19:15 |
| * ShadowJK 'd want to run opera mini | 19:15 | |
| Meizirkki_ | Stskeeps: i know, i often nuke my ubuntu | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true, opera mini would be a hit | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | They had it running on psp iirc... | 19:16 |
| RST38h | qwerty: PSP is a different CPU. | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | if the joystick on mine wasn't fucked, I'd be probably using it. web browser on psp fat sucks | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h, i'm talking about opera mini here, does cpu really matter? | 19:17 |
| yigal | RST38h: a bit | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | this was an j2me emulator | 19:17 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Yep. If SUN does not provide SSL sources OR objects for ARM, you are fucked. | 19:17 |
| RST38h | qwerty: If there are AT LEAST objects you can link (i.e. they use your ABI), then you are in business to compile PhoneME | 19:18 |
| RST38h | yigal: Would you care to translate this graffiti: http://community.livejournal.com/idu_shagayu/1706917.html ? | 19:18 |
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| yigal | RST38h: my parents married in Israel but I was born and raised in the states so I really mean only a little, I can try. | 19:20 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: In fact, it may be a good idea to do for NIT - the Jalimo guys appear to be pretty self-centered, they do not intend Jalimo to do any practical work | 19:21 |
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| Meizirkki_ | rzr: Mer 0.5 now available | 19:26 |
| Meizirkki_ | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.5.tar.gz | 19:26 |
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| yigal | RST38H: I am too much a lazy American, now I feel I should be studying hebrew, I can read it but I don't understand what is written. | 19:28 |
| cityLightss | I lost my /home dir on the SD. I used to boot of SD and run two programs that where using files, after restarting I lost all my /home | 19:28 |
| Khertan | Hello everybody ! | 19:28 |
| cityLightss | is there a fix? | 19:28 |
| Meizirkki_ | Khertan: hi | 19:29 |
| johnx | cityLightss, so you can't see anything under /home ? | 19:29 |
| rzr | hi | 19:29 |
| rzr | Meizirkki_: great | 19:29 |
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| johnx | cityLightss, what filesystem were you using? | 19:29 |
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| RST38h | yigal: Hehe, I know the feeling :) | 19:29 |
| rzr | Meizirkki: have to test this too | 19:29 |
| Meizirkki | i'm (still) downloading | 19:29 |
| cityLightss | I boot of the flash and mount the /dev/mmcblk0p2 no /home there | 19:30 |
| cityLightss | used to be ext2 | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | rzr: be aware it needs deblet bootmenu and other funny stuff :P | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | just so you're warned :) | 19:30 |
| rzr | :) | 19:30 |
| johnx | cityLightss, have you tried running fsck on it? or looking into undelete programs for ext2? | 19:31 |
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| cityLightss | fsck claims the file system is clean | 19:31 |
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| ShadowJK | opera claims to have implemented their own ssl anyway, blaming vendor ssl implementations of being too buggy to use | 19:33 |
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| cityLightss | ok of to google... | 19:36 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, will have to shrink mer a bit :). jffs2 image is 253.3 mb and after sumtooling it, it comes to 265.3 mb | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | no wait. I'm a bellend. | 19:38 |
| Khertan | huhu | 19:38 |
| qwerty12 | I made the image with the tar.gz in it >.< | 19:38 |
| Khertan | ARF ! | 19:38 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, that's better :). 146.0 mb now :) | 19:40 |
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| Stskeeps | ta, qwerty12 | 19:41 |
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| * Stskeeps has 3 screenshots coming up .. | 19:42 | |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, is bootmenu_1.4_armel.deb your latest bootmenu :) | 19:42 |
| johnx | ah, fallout from the gconf transition: need to put the right path in start-hildon :) | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: if its in deblet repository, yes | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: so gconf isnt started? | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | that might be why some stuff doesnt work :P | 19:44 |
| johnx | certainly possible | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.5/Screenshot-1.png (roxterm) , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.5/Screenshot-2.png (abiword) , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.5/Screenshot-3.png (abiword with text) | 19:44 |
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| johnx | looks ok, need to pull in the extras-devel abiword now :) | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | use the roxterm I put in extras, it has some hildonisations on it (which I need to improve come think of it..) | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i don't recall, did i add you to builder or not? :P | 19:46 |
| Khertan | @18:44 | 19:46 |
| Khertan | @18:43 | 19:46 |
| Khertan | Garage Band 09 | 19:46 |
| Khertan | @18:43 | 19:46 |
| Khertan | @18:42 | 19:46 |
| Khertan | Garage Band 09 | 19:46 |
| Khertan | @18:42 | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | you have a ~/incoming at least | 19:46 |
| Khertan | Applaudissement plus enthousiastes après cette fin de démo. Phil est de retour. | 19:46 |
| Khertan | @18:41 | 19:46 |
| Khertan | Navigation dans les cartes, effets, etc. | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, if you did, I don't ever remember saying you did :p | 19:46 |
| Khertan | @18:40 | 19:46 |
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| Khertan | Retour des effets spéciaux, avec les rayons X, sépia, etc. | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | highly possible | 19:46 |
| Khertan | oups | 19:46 |
| Khertan | sorry | 19:46 |
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| qwerty12 | although I notice the xchat I put in incoming hasn't been added :P | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: your trac.tspre.org account, clean out ~/incoming , upload there, and ssh qwerty12@trac.tspre.org /import-new-packages (source packages only) | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | and then i think you have access to builder already | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | (on #merbuilder jaiku9 | 19:48 |
| qwerty12 | ok, the rest of my packages are there afaik, I'll try adding xchat and see how it works out | 19:48 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: pushing hildon-desktop-env update? | 19:49 |
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| johnx | in a sec. | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | impatient cos of osso-xterm itch ;) | 19:49 |
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| johnx | I'll tell you if it fixes it :P | 19:50 |
| qwerty12 | ~mer | 19:50 |
| infobot | mer is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New and http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint | 19:50 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, looks like no love :/ | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | damnit :P | 19:51 |
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| qwerty12 | whee, xchat is building :) | 19:53 |
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| * Meiz_n810 boots to Mer | 19:55 | |
| qwerty12 | I think the extras autobuilder could do with stealing some ideas, this gives you a log on the fly and is actually fast ;) | 19:55 |
| johnx | qwerty12, it'll slow down if more people hit it I'm sure... | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but it's also loaded with some severe craq things and bugs :P | 19:55 |
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| johnx | also it's our official position that Maemo should be stealing *all our ideas* :) | 19:56 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, should libtool be a dependency? | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | s/dependency/build-depends/ | 19:57 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Stskeeps, should libtool be a build-depends? | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, we're not scratchbox on x86 | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | it should be assumed we have nothing but traditional build-essentials | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: was it gnumeric you people had huge problems with, btw? | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | I'm getting used to the niceties of sbox it seems :) | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, no idea, i've never touched gnumeric | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | Can I replace the source package with a fixed source package that has the same version number? | 19:58 |
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| * GeneralAntilles sighs @ #3519 | 19:59 | |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: we have pinnings in place, and you can do build package=version | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | ok | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | or was it qalculate? | 20:00 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, ah, qalculate it was, yes. lardman got it to run and I just made the package nicer to install :P | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 20:00 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, yeah, not the kind of thing to encourage people to submit patches... | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | hi GeneralAntilles. back to using the full nick I see :D | 20:02 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, how did your sapwood bug turn out? any activity recently? | 20:02 |
| andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles link? | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: not recently | 20:02 |
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| johnx | andrewfblack, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3519 | 20:02 |
| andrewfblack | johnx thanks | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | then again people are just returning from holidays | 20:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, ooh, good angle. | 20:03 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm just looking forward to a faster omapfb xorg driver :) | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | fb_update_mode auto is just nasty | 20:04 |
| johnx | well, falling back to xomap would be annoying but not a huge deal really | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | i couldn't compile it last time | 20:05 |
| johnx | oh | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | too ancient X headers | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | More silliness: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3937 | 20:06 |
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| qwerty12 | fuck, I forgot to disable vdso when I let my menu.lst be replaced | 20:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: success or broke? | 20:08 |
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| Meizirkki | Ubuntu-box: broken. :P | 20:09 |
| Meizirkki | n810: still unable to boot :( | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | that's odd | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | INT_CARD vs EXT_CARD maybe? | 20:10 |
| Meizirkki | no | 20:10 |
| andrewfblack | so on #3519 no unless you buy a new device and on #3937 just plain no we don't want to make it easier to install software | 20:10 |
| Meizirkki | but i have r&d mode on... Can it harm? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: no, i have that too, i think | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, tz is the one in the wrong in #3937 | 20:10 |
| johnx | gdebi would be nice for opening debs | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | AlsO: | 20:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mer | 20:10 |
| infobot | methinks mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New and http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint | 20:10 |
| Meizirkki | i reistalled bootmenu installer, now trying again | 20:11 |
| andrewfblack | I can see #3937 fron both sides | 20:11 |
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| Stskeeps | isnt "red pill" basically just installing stuff that isn't in user/, or how was it? | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | Well, tz1 is right in that app manager should resolve dependencies when installing locally from a deb file. | 20:11 |
| qwerty12 | Dunno about what else he is talking about though. | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I don't know what tz thinking it is. | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: the matrix? :P | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly, I think he thinks it's a magic talisman that solves world hunger. | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, look at it when considering people who don't have your skills, though. | 20:12 |
| andrewfblack | but I am so tired of fixed in fremantle to me everytime they fix something in fremantle and not diablo they are telling me we are not fixing our broke os if i want a good one buy a new tablet. | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Installing random debs from everywhere isn't something that should be encouraged for them. | 20:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | As it'll mostly get them things that may not work well or they don't know what to do with. | 20:13 |
| qwerty12 | Fair enough. | 20:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, again: | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mer | 20:13 |
| infobot | rumour has it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New and http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint | 20:13 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, but telling them to use dpkg and apt-get on the CLI isn't the right answer either | 20:13 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: btw you didn't answer my question on Mer Echo :) | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, it's not really as black and white as all that. | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, yes, the right answer is getting the .deb into Extras. :P | 20:14 |
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| andrewfblack | Stskeeps didn't see the question | 20:14 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I think there's room for gdebi ... I should try it under mer | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: ah, i was just asking how it was going with it | 20:14 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, have you had dpkg-genbuilddeps play nice with your sdk? | 20:14 |
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| andrewfblack | Stskeeps well its looks nothing lol echo really anymore but its a solid UI I think you will like it | 20:15 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: as long as it's not plankton.. | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:15 |
| qwerty12 | got it, I needed to install devscripts. | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, I don't think time should be wasted coding for a niche-usecase that benefits very few people directly and could seriously harm others in the process. | 20:15 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: still no luck, i even tried to use bootmenu with no linuxrc, and now i cannot get the linuxrc back :( | 20:16 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps I drew ideas from several themes including Echo. Nuvo, and Titan. Does the deb need to be repackaged to work in mer? | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: not sure, didnt try it yet, hoping to get meiz to do it when his mer runs ;) | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: k .. when you have time, reflash, install bootmenu deb, and install bootmenu | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | and then write a bootmenu.d item in /etc/bootmenu.d and refresh_bootmenu.d | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, not worth building yet... http://pastebin.com/d7c4eb3f3 | 20:18 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah, ran into same problem | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: eabi qemu, and in the sb-conf install, add --fakeroot after devkit | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | --devkits, that is | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | we had same builder problem yesterday and forgot to change wiki | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, does http://pastebin.com/d30dce919 look ok to you? :P | 20:23 |
| qwerty12 | Or should I resort to modifying linuxrc directly? | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i wouldn't bet my horses on it, but maybe? O_o | 20:23 |
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| qwerty12 | Only one way to find out :P | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | i dunno if flash is done differently so | 20:24 |
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| * johnx bets Stskeeps' horses | 20:24 | |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps ok I'll send you over the deb for it on friday I should have time to get it mostly finished by then | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: else a item with jffs2 and such options may work :P | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: alright, sounds good :) | 20:25 |
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| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I'll do that incase actually, once I'm out of Maemo, things will be a little more annoying if I need to make a change :P | 20:25 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: sprint meeting was tomorrow? | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | Well, it boots from flash! :) | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | woo :) | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | .. and it gets how far? ;) | 20:31 |
| qwerty12 | Well, I'm at the desktop :P | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | and we welcome qwerty12 to the club of people who successfully got mer running ;) | 20:31 |
| qwerty12 | I can upload the jffs2 image somewhere if you wish? | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | if you want, or just instructions so builder can make them too | 20:32 |
| qwerty12 | Here's the item file I used: http://pastebin.com/f1fa3eab | 20:32 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, with mtd-tools installed, extract mer image to some folder (I used 232 out of randomness) and from .., run mkfs.jffs2 -r 232/ -o 232.jffs2 -e 128 -l -n and then use sumtool: sumtool -i 232.jffs2 -o 232sumtool.jffs2 -e 128KiB -l -n | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* similar i did originally | 20:34 |
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| qwerty12 | Though I see I am spoilt for choice regarding apps ;) | 20:34 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. not much included in the bas e:P | 20:35 |
| qwerty12 | How does usbnet get started? :P | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | rescue menu, hold down home key after selecting bootmenu item | 20:36 |
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| qwerty12 | wicked | 20:36 |
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| qwerty12 | yay, usbnet works :) | 20:38 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: i disabled rd-mode flashed original kernel and initfs, flashed bootmenu, made mer.item, refreshed bootmenu, and it still refuses to even try to run the linuxrc on mer partition :( grr... | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: hmmm. | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | cacn i see the mer.item you made now? | 20:39 |
| Meizirkki | yes | 20:39 |
| qwerty12 | shitfuck, at least internet doesn't work over usb | 20:41 |
| lcuk | language! dont go swearing all over the place without a fucking big reason | 20:41 |
| Meizirkki | install wireless-tools and you can connect to open ap:s | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: edit /etc/resolv.conf | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | and check your default route is ok | 20:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, I believe so. | 20:42 |
| Meizirkki | Sts pastebin.com/m37736128 | 20:42 |
| johnx | qwerty12, zenity looks great in Mer :D | 20:42 |
| qwerty12 | Meizirkki, thanks, will remember that but first I need an internet connection :P | 20:42 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, wicked :D | 20:42 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps, thanks | 20:43 |
| johnx | yeah, means I don't have to learn gtk+ or even try and remember C | 20:43 |
| * lcuk is feckin freezin | 20:43 | |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: it just says boot from mer failed, booting from flash... | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ah :/ not going to be able to attend, - going to a resturant as part of finishing a work project. | 20:43 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: it does not even try to start the linuxrc | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | and it is on the external card? | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | on partition 2? :P | 20:44 |
| qwerty12 | bollocks, can't deal with all this now, going to reflash back to maemo | 20:45 |
| Meizirkki | yes it is | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: and it is ext3 format? :P | 20:45 |
| Meizirkki | yes, i'm not that stupid... | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | didn't say you were :) | 20:45 |
| Meizirkki | :) | 20:45 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, did you remove sstrip dependency out of interest? :) | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: there's a possibility that it's because you used busybox tar | 20:46 |
| johnx | qwerty12, yeah, wouldn't build in builder and sstrip doesn't exist for ARM :P | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | try get 'gnutar' from extras, re-make FS and unpack again | 20:47 |
| Meizirkki | !! i have flashed initfs with diabos original fiasco now 3 times and bootmenu even more times and still there is bootmenu.conf in initfs, that i made 6 hours ago! | 20:47 |
| Meizirkki | and that's not even working bootmenu | 20:47 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, yeah, I think I quickly debianied it and uploaded it for maemo only | 20:47 |
| Meizirkki | .conf | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: impressive | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | can you show me your /etc/bootmenu.conf ? | 20:48 |
| qwerty12 | johnx, glad they came in use though :) | 20:48 |
| johnx | qwerty12, no worries. it works a treat even with the strange button placement in fremantle's gtk | 20:48 |
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| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: /etc/bootmenu.conf gets copied to initfs too so | 20:48 |
| johnx | qwerty12, it'll be the first thing anyone sees in Mer :) | 20:48 |
| qwerty12 | wicked :D | 20:48 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: hmm, i edited it directly, still fails | 20:48 |
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| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: /mnt/initfs should be read-only? | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: yeah | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | Meizirkki: grab http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/bootmenu.conf , put in /etc/bootmenu.conf, refresh_bootmenu.d | 20:49 |
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| Stskeeps | (on maemo, not in initfs) | 20:50 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: that's a clone of mine... | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | mmk | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | then run the "install bootmenu" menu item again | 20:50 |
| Meizirkki | what?? | 20:50 |
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| Meizirkki | okay | 20:51 |
| Meizirkki | my bootmenu.conf is not like that | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | and verify that /mnt/initfs/etc/bootmenu.conf is the same as /etc/bootmenu.conf | 20:51 |
| Meizirkki | i removed bootmenu installer with --purge and the old file is still there? | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 20:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | johnx, when I saw what it was being used for, gnomecanvas dependency annoyed me :p. you may have seen the chunk of code i removed in the diff.gz :p | 20:52 |
| Meizirkki | Stskeeps: my bad again, thanks for help :P | 20:52 |
| johnx | and the first pass at first-boot-wizard works! | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 20:55 |
| johnx | wish zenity had a "multiple text entry" dialog though | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | and it does what? | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: think you'd have to drag out glade and python for that :P | 20:55 |
| johnx | just gets a name and username to be used by adduser | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 20:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, now that we've seen that mer is flash proof, i demand an jffs2 image is released with each tarball :p | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | its basically same source material | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | i do the tarring up manually :P | 20:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe :P | 20:58 |
| x29a | folks, i have some difficulties understanding the external boot thingie. i need some special bootloader in flash which enables me to select ext sd as bootsource right? | 20:59 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i'll flash back the mer jffs2 image i made after school, i had to gtfo from my computer and wanted to have a tablet i could use :p | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:59 |
| x29a | furthermore i clone a rootfs on my external card after formatting it appropriatly (with first partition beeing some vfat, then ext2/3) | 20:59 |
| x29a | is that it? | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | x29a: basically we have a additional thing in initfs that enables you to start other things than the internal flash | 21:00 |
| x29a | ok, that part is working, i can select (like in grub) where i want to boot from | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah :P | 21:00 |
| x29a | i did the clonethingie to my external sd, but it cant boot from there (the script where you do the steps from 0 to 5 or so) | 21:01 |
| x29a | so it falls back to flash (which is a good thing!!!! phew), there i can see my external card (the vfat partition) but my internal one anymore | 21:01 |
| x29a | im on N810, btw | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | mm, there's also stuff like console-tools which can do the stuff for you | 21:03 |
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| johnx | what else needs to be set on first boot: User's fullname, username and tablet's hostname/bluetooth name. any other ideas? Does anyone feel strongly that location should be set? | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | timezone | 21:05 |
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| johnx | ok, I can do that in zenity | 21:05 |
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| towo | oh noes! | 21:08 |
| johnx | wow...that's some somewhat involved bash code O_o | 21:09 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: success or it broke again? :P | 21:09 |
| Meiz_n810 | success :) | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | good | 21:10 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i'm lost with this 5gb/month. | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | poor meiz | 21:11 |
| Meiz_n810 | near 3gb already used | 21:11 |
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| Meiz_n810 | i can dl everything at school .P | 21:11 |
| Meiz_n810 | :P | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah :P | 21:12 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: i nagged about slow internet before, now i am magging about datalimit... how long it takes before ChanServ kicks me outta here... | 21:13 |
| Meiz_n810 | :) | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: no clue :P | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: when you have time, test if you can make andrewfblack's Mer Echo theme run in .. Mer | 21:14 |
| Meiz_n810 | tomorrow i think ... | 21:14 |
| Meiz_n810 | it's late and tomorrow i can use schools internet | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 21:15 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps btw, did you find out what i screwed in my little theme installer) :P | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | didnt use it :P | 21:16 |
| Meiz_n810 | hehe | 21:16 |
| Meiz_n810 | maybe i'll forget about it :P | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | naah :P | 21:16 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hmm, don't think I do want to find out... :p | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: installing nokia themes and such into mer, script :P | 21:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hehe :P | 21:17 |
| Meiz_n810 | (first script i have ever made...) | 21:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_n810, have you released it or does only Stskeeps have it? :) | 21:18 |
| Meiz_n810 | hmm.. | 21:18 |
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| Stskeeps | trac.tspre.org/meiz has it, doesnt it? | 21:18 |
| Meiz_n810 | trac.tspre.org/meiz | 21:18 |
| Meiz_n810 | yep | 21:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'll have to see about running a dns server on my computer :>, or if i am lucky, I can forward dns requests over usb to my router :) | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: you have masqurading or? | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | (sp) | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | because you should really just be able to put your usbnet at 2.1, route add default gw 2.1, and etc/resolv.conf to whatever | 21:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, it should be according to the lines in interfaces... | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | also mer interfaces? | 21:22 |
| johnx | finally a Maemo based distro that covers the Anarctic timezone properly. next step: ensuring we run on hardware that works at -60C | 21:23 |
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| Stskeeps | heh heh | 21:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, hmm, not there. i was hoping it was done automatically :p | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: think im just missing tablet-network-setup or something | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_n810, boo, zenity! :p | 21:24 |
| Meiz_n810 | ? | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, w/out at least an usb connection to the internet, I can't do much :/ | 21:24 |
| Meiz_n810 | zenity was conflicting when i made that script.. :P | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: good point | 21:25 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Meiz_n810, instead of gxmessage (don't worry, i'm biased after spending 2 hours packaging it :p) | 21:25 |
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| johnx | yeah, zenity is working great for the timezone picker. probably faster than the fancy-shmancy map based one :) | 21:26 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | but at least i know why cdbs has the letters bs in it :p | 21:28 |
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| johnx | lol...no one will be missing a time zone this time | 21:31 |
| johnx | close that bug right now :) | 21:31 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3781573061.html | 21:38 |
| johnx | cause they've only been running debian since ... forever | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:38 |
| Meiz_n810 | why jaunty?... | 21:40 |
| RST38h | Am I correct predicting that at least 70% of comments will be along the lines of "Well, choice is good! This is the power of open source!" ? | 21:40 |
| Meiz_n810 | s/jaunty/hasty | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: yeah, pondered that one too | 21:40 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, they started on hasty from mojo. guess it would be a pain to re-base when jaunty is still missing stuff for armel | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 21:41 |
| Meiz_n810 | powerlaunch near in todo list? | 21:41 |
| johnx | RST38h, an appropriate amount of choice is healthy for an appropriately sized community | 21:41 |
| RST38h | johnx: This has nothing to do with the nature of my prediction ;) | 21:42 |
| johnx | RST38h, comments where? if you mean here on #maemo then I'll take that bet... | 21:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: i think other people should hack at it.. i don't have sufficient time until end of this month to hack freely :P | 21:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | okay :P | 21:43 |
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| Khertan | must go on ... | 21:45 |
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| Khertan | see you later ... | 21:45 |
| Khertan | bye | 21:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | bye | 21:45 |
| johnx | later Khertan | 21:45 |
| RST38h | johnx: No, comments to the linuxdevices articles at the same site | 21:45 |
| Meiz_n810 | i hope solca will release first version of NITselector soon :) | 21:45 |
| RST38h | johnx: I have kinda better opinion about #maemo regulars :) | 21:45 |
| johnx | RST38h, it's actually a news site, not a blog. no comments there... | 21:46 |
| RST38h | no forum? weird | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: sadly there's a problem with kexec :( | 21:46 |
| johnx | huh, there is a forum | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: it only works if r&d serial console is enabled | 21:46 |
| johnx | never knew that | 21:46 |
| RST38h | there has to be a forum :) | 21:46 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | it's on oesf iirc | 21:47 |
| Meiz_n810 | :( | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: there's actually an ultraboard one P | 21:48 |
| johnx | RST38h, actually the linuxdevices forum looks pretty serious. lots of questions about (*drumroll please*) embedded linux | 21:48 |
| RST38h | umgh | 21:48 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is now all provisioned up. | 21:50 | |
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| Stskeeps | time for blogging? :> | 21:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, maybe. | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | For some reason the break not only drained all of my available freetime, but sapped all of my strength for stuff like that. :P | 21:51 |
| * Stskeeps slides the coffee pot across to GeneralAntilles | 21:52 | |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't do caffeine | 21:52 | |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, you should start | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, because if I do I'm just going to waste lots of money on it and become dependent. :P | 21:52 |
| johnx | only $20-$30/month for me ... caffeine is running the mer project :) | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | sure is | 21:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 21:55 |
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| johnx | also, they hand out coffee for free in lots of places, especially at jobs | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i get 70% of my coffee at work atm too :P | 21:56 |
| bakarat | is there some sort of mapping software (opensource preferably) that allows offline routing? | 21:56 |
| bakarat | the routing that i need in my country seems to be pretty much complete | 21:56 |
| bakarat | (on openstreetmap) | 21:56 |
| * qwerty12_N800 gets his caffeine fix with energy drinks, not a fan of tea or coffee | 21:57 | |
| johnx | bakarat, I think I mentioned roadmap earlier | 21:57 |
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| bakarat | johnx, ah yes | 21:58 |
| bakarat | but i could not find exactly what you meant | 21:58 |
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| bakarat | but i think i misunderstood then | 21:58 |
| bakarat | hehe | 21:58 |
| Meiz_n810 | "omegamoon" is crazy... "NOW KEEP CLICKING THOSE ADS" :P but seriously Google is able to make him pay back everything he have get and even more... | 21:58 |
| * GeneralAntilles going to survive the Zombie Apocalypse to build back his strength. :P | 21:58 | |
| Stskeeps | Meiz_n810: much of the work i do in mer directly converts to work at my work.. without that i couldn't make a reasonable argument for spending this much time on it :P | 22:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | true :P | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | from an economic point of view | 22:00 |
| johnx | bakarat, search on itt for it. there's one other map program I think that uses OSM vector routing too, but I don't remember right now | 22:00 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: you shoud get a ad banner somewhere :P | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | heh, nah | 22:01 |
| bakarat | johnx, installing the roadmap | 22:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | s/shoud get a/should get an/ | 22:01 |
| infobot | Meiz_n810 meant: Stskeeps: you should get an ad banner somewhere :P | 22:01 |
| bakarat | johnx, would you happen to know if it also allows downloading of maps? | 22:01 |
| Meiz_n810 | too much typos | 22:01 |
| * Stskeeps will be perfectly happy to be able to put it on CV and gain contacts, personally :P | 22:01 | |
| bakarat | (in much the same way as mapper i mean) | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, do a nokia and make an ad displaing applet :p | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | *displaying | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: "you can buy Mer Professional here"? | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | (i'm kidding.) | 22:02 |
| bakarat | o btw, small question, i am using evolution on two pc's (desktop @ home and laptop @ work) | 22:02 |
| bakarat | i would like to synchronize them and the pda | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | with wireless capability? :p | 22:02 |
| bakarat | but i found that i can only successfully sync 1 calendar | 22:02 |
| bakarat | if i try multiple, the pda combines them into one | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | yes, and unlocking usb host mode costs 10$ | 22:03 |
| bakarat | and sends the combined calendar back to the computers | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | that could be a business model | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:03 |
| Meiz_n810 | Stskeeps: "home-Donate" | 22:03 |
| bakarat | (using gpe-* software and opensync) | 22:03 |
| Meiz_n810 | :P | 22:03 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, new user accounts are $5 right to johnxx's paypal account :) | 22:03 |
| johnx | zenity --take-their-money "got your money" | 22:03 |
| Meiz_n810 | heh | 22:04 |
| Meiz_n810 | :) | 22:04 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, i'll fix the xchat package when I can fix the sdk to let me actually install the build-depends | 22:05 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: saw the --fakeroot mesagE? | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | you can see in builder logs what it does, btw | 22:06 |
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| Stskeeps | or make a qemu-arm-eabi package ;) | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, yeah, I may take the lazy way out and see where it fucks up each time and keep reuploading :p | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:08 |
| * RST38h slowly makes his way through new S60 bugs | 22:09 | |
| johnx | we better get a lot of use out of this timezone picker >_< | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hah, the devil has possessed my maemo.org profile :p | 22:10 |
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| * RST38h kinda knows the name of that devil | 22:11 | |
| RST38h | He is probably asleep now though | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800: karma 666? heh | 22:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, yep :P, as karma is updated as one lump, i'm spooked that it found its way to that number :p | 22:14 |
| lcuk | static linking vs dynamic: from a coding perspective, is there a noticable difference, or does it just effect how the end user gets it (with simpler less dependencies if static linking is used) ? | 22:14 |
| RST38h | only the end user is affected | 22:16 |
| RST38h | there are also a few quirks related to how dynamic linker behaves when it encounters duplicated names in different dependencies, but you probably don't have to worry about it | 22:16 |
| lcuk | and if another developer wanted to create another app, do they just install the -dev like currently occurs | 22:17 |
| RST38h | ? | 22:17 |
| johnx | lcuk, if you plan for more than one app based on that library to run at the same time, dynamic linking lets both apps use the same copy of the library in memory | 22:17 |
| lcuk | but thats not entirely a good thing right now, theres a ocuple of statics which im having trouble shifting out of the way | 22:18 |
| lcuk | globals rather | 22:18 |
| bakarat | hmm, bit tricky to download first maps on roadmap :| | 22:18 |
| bakarat | the roadmap map itself is empty, i have no gps fix cause i'm inside trying to download maps :D | 22:18 |
| bakarat | so i can't tell it to download from the radius of the gps | 22:19 |
| bakarat | dammit :p | 22:19 |
| lcuk | or do they get their own instance of memory data and its just code thats shared | 22:19 |
| RST38h | RoadMap doesn't work very well | 22:19 |
| RST38h | I still haven't downloaded ANY maps with it =) | 22:19 |
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| bakarat | RST38h, heh :p | 22:19 |
| RST38h | It says "downloading" and hangs there | 22:19 |
| bakarat | RST38h, does it work if you do have maps? | 22:19 |
| bakarat | ic :| | 22:20 |
| RST38h | No idea | 22:20 |
| RST38h | I don't have maps | 22:20 |
| bakarat | wel currently i've put my nokia as close to the window as it goes, hoping to get a gps signal long enough for the damn thing to realize where i am :p | 22:20 |
| ShadowJK | a-gprs helps | 22:21 |
| RST38h | a-gps | 22:21 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 22:21 |
| bakarat | haven't gotten round yet to reflashing, if i don't have to, i won't for the forseeable future | 22:22 |
| bakarat | (need it too much atm, can't risk running into unforseen problems or having to reinstall all my software or something like that :D) | 22:22 |
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| RST38h | Dr.Dobbs kaput! | 22:32 |
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| johnx | I really hope archival of websites gets more serious or the early 21st century is going to be a big blank spot in history 100 years from now... | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | i think we would rant to erradicate tubgirl and such from the history books.. :P | 22:35 |
| RST38h | big flashy colorful spot filled with prozac and penis extension ads | 22:36 |
| RST38h | No way you eradicate the tubgirl | 22:36 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, OTOH, I do want the opportunity to rick-roll someone 100 years from now... | 22:36 |
| RST38h | She is part of history now! | 22:36 |
| RST38h | "Erotic rites of XXI century internet users" section | 22:37 |
| johnx | "it seems like we've found some sort of important religious document, and I've constructed an emulation environment to run it..." "never gonna give you up never gonna..." | 22:37 |
| RST38h | Is tubgirl going to be equivalent to the scrolls of Necronomicon? =) | 22:38 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | goatse ftw | 22:38 |
| bakarat | yup, damn mapgetter for roadmap does not work :( | 22:40 |
| bakarat | given the name i guess rdm is a specific protocol? | 22:41 |
| bakarat | um | 22:41 |
| bakarat | format | 22:41 |
| bakarat | * | 22:41 |
| pupnik_ | predictions for the year of the first N800 emulator? | 22:42 |
| RST38h | uses openstreetmap | 22:42 |
| johnx | pupnik_, 2008 | 22:42 |
| RST38h | just screw it, I kept trying and then gave up | 22:42 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pupnik_, it's already been done | 22:42 |
| RST38h | pupnik: already exists | 22:42 |
| pupnik_ | oh | 22:42 |
| pupnik_ | i am doubtful | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | qemu svn head | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, hrw's been working on one for a while. | 22:43 |
| pupnik_ | oh that actually got running | 22:44 |
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| pupnik_ | maemo-image.qemuflash | 22:44 |
| pupnik_ | ah i see qwerty12_N800 was involved | 22:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pupnik_, no no | 22:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i've just used it successfully :) | 22:45 |
| bakarat | RST38h, if it is osm format, is it not possible to download from osm and upload to nokia? | 22:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bakarat, can't you try running roadmap on a computer and getting the maps from there? | 22:46 |
| RST38h | bakarat: no idea, why do it? the program obviously does not work | 22:47 |
| bakarat | qwerty12_N800, not sure if it would make a difference? the nokia has no connectivity problems | 22:47 |
| bakarat | RST38h, well maybe the program would work with maps? :| | 22:47 |
| bakarat | and i _need_ offline routing :p | 22:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | bakarat, I'm pretty sure the maemo port is pretty old npw.. | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The buy a Wayfinder subscription or a dedicated GPS | 22:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/npw/now/ | 22:48 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N800 meant: bakarat, I'm pretty sure the maemo port is pretty old now.. | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/The/Then/ | 22:48 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Then buy a Wayfinder subscription or a dedicated GPS | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToYOgP9f9U | 22:49 |
| RST38h | bakarat: I have really low expectations for Roadmap | 22:50 |
| RST38h | bakarat: If it can't even download maps, the chances of it working are pretty low | 22:51 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: finally getting the files for the mer imager targets and platforms.. | 22:51 |
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| Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: alright | 22:51 |
| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: getting modded xorg.conf and should be good on trac.tspre.org in my home | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | ta - seen it now, will mess more with it later | 22:54 |
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| r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: k may have more there later | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | i hope the nitdroid on 770 kernel work will feed off some to mer-770 too | 22:57 |
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| r2d2rogers | that would be nice | 22:58 |
| r2d2rogers | I still need to play with the wireless driver patches | 22:58 |
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| Stskeeps | evening b-man | 22:59 |
| b-man | hello, Stskeeps | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: new v0.5 image at | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.5.tar.gz | 22:59 |
| * w00t passes Stskeeps beer | 22:59 | |
| Stskeeps | w00t: mm. i wouldnt mind getting horridly drunk atm. | 22:59 |
| w00t | beer > #maemo. | 23:00 |
| w00t | that is all. | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: people combined those at the summit last year ;) | 23:00 |
| b-man | @Stskeeps: lol x10000 | 23:00 |
| w00t | :-) | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: you use the dpkg-deb method to make the installer btw? | 23:00 |
| b-man | yes | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:01 |
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| Vulcanis | Hrm, does anyone here have an eeepc? | 23:01 |
| Vulcanis | I know its completely offtopic, but I need a replacement for my lappy | 23:02 |
| * b-man sucks at dpkg-buildpackage ;) | 23:02 | |
| Stskeeps | b-man: it really isnt that bad once you get to know dh_make :P | 23:02 |
| pupnik_ | Vulcanis: i have a netbook. it sits around waiting for a girl to use. | 23:03 |
| b-man | i've spent hours on some packages that would take minutes for others ;p | 23:03 |
| Vulcanis | Pupnik: I'd be switching from a lenovo x60, though | 23:03 |
| * pupnik_ splutters | 23:03 | |
| johnx | b-man, no one starts off fast. :) | 23:03 |
| Vulcanis | so the only downgrade would be the processor, going from a 1.8c2d | 23:03 |
| pupnik_ | you want battery life or what Vulcanis | 23:03 |
| Vulcanis | and lightness | 23:04 |
| b-man | heh :) | 23:04 |
| Vulcanis | I'd use it for taking notes and doing school stuff, mostly | 23:04 |
| Vulcanis | some movies and music, perhaps. | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.5/ screenshots from earlier btw | 23:04 |
| pupnik_ | i'm disappointed with them. not comfy enough to be a notebook, not small enough to be pocketable | 23:04 |
| Vulcanis | well | 23:04 |
| pupnik_ | and a 9-cell pack adds weight and bulk. 3 cell giving me 1.5 hours use | 23:05 |
| Vulcanis | how do you mean not comfy enough? You mean on the lap? Or for typing | 23:05 |
| b-man | @Stskeeps; sweet! | 23:05 |
| pupnik_ | typing | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | (and these were just apt-get install stuff) | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | roxterm & abiword | 23:05 |
| Vulcanis | Ah. Well, I guess I'll have to go to a store and see how it feels, then... | 23:05 |
| pupnik_ | hey hows abiword doing Stskeeps | 23:05 |
| johnx | Vulcanis, have you tried typing on one yet? you're going from one of the best keyboards to one of the worst | 23:05 |
| Vulcanis | Would you know of any other comparable 'netbooks' that have a better keyboard? | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik_: on mer it was a matter of apt-get install abiword :P | 23:06 |
| Vulcanis | Johnx: Yeah, I knew that anything but ibm would be bad, just not entirely sure /how bad/ | 23:06 |
| johnx | Vulcanis, HP mini-note 2133/2140 or mini 1000/700 | 23:06 |
| Vulcanis | Are those all HP? | 23:06 |
| johnx | yeah | 23:06 |
| johnx | some just released at CES today :) | 23:06 |
| Vulcanis | Thanks, I'll look into it | 23:06 |
| Vulcanis | They're more expensive, though. But is the keyboard good? | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | , - this is really how maemo should be - easy to get hildonized apps (user/) and an abundant repository of software that just needs to be hildonized to act well on the tablets | 23:07 |
| pupnik_ | Stskeeps: sounds good. | 23:07 |
| BULLE | Vulcanis: go for one of the BIG netbooks, with 10" screen, eg asus, msi or similar, those have ok keyboards aswell, big enough to use mho | 23:07 |
| pupnik_ | but that's what IT has been about since 2005 | 23:07 |
| johnx | Vulcanis, yeah, really nice keyboard. they're bigger than other netbooks and so there's enough room for a full sized enter and right shift | 23:07 |
| pupnik_ | 'just hildonize it' | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, except life isn't that easy | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | usually hildonizing is 1% of it :P | 23:08 |
| Vulcanis | er, what are the asus ones called? | 23:08 |
| Vulcanis | I just remember Wind is the MSI one | 23:08 |
| johnx | Vulcanis, eeePC | 23:08 |
| Vulcanis | Oh, I thought I already said that >.< | 23:08 |
| Vulcanis | Damnit, BULLE | 23:09 |
| Vulcanis | Anyway, thanks guys | 23:09 |
| johnx | also: ibm keyboards > other notebooks > hp mini > other 10" netbooks > smaller netbooks > fujitsu fmv / kojinsha | 23:09 |
| Vulcanis | I lurved my x60 | 23:09 |
| Vulcanis | but it is dying | 23:09 |
| Vulcanis | and I don't really want to go for their new ultraportable | 23:09 |
| BULLE | reanimate ! | 23:09 |
| Vulcanis | I guess I could go for the x61 | 23:09 |
| Vulcanis | but thats already really, really old | 23:10 |
| johnx | Vulcanis, the x200 looks great to me, but it is a tad expensive if you haven't got spare cash | 23:10 |
| Vulcanis | well | 23:10 |
| BULLE | Vulcanis: so you might get it for a good price | 23:10 |
| Vulcanis | it would carry into college, John. So I could probably live two months or so without a laptop | 23:10 |
| Vulcanis | and then use money from birthday + anything else + student discount (if lenovo does that type of thing, I know apple does) | 23:11 |
| BULLE | Vulcanis: or just buy a cheaper laptop, and go out partying like crazy and have a good time | 23:11 |
| Vulcanis | except I'm not really into that *sadface* | 23:11 |
| Vulcanis | sadly, I'd probably get more entertainment from the laptop | 23:12 |
| BULLE | Vulcanis: practice make perfect! | 23:12 |
| Vulcanis | Not really. I hate most people. | 23:12 |
| BULLE | thats because you are not drunk enough then | 23:12 |
| johnx | I know I'd be happier with an x200 vs any of the netbooks out there | 23:13 |
| johnx | the weight difference isn't that much and the x200 is a real"desktop replacement" while netbooks ... aren't | 23:13 |
| Vulcanis | well, the thing is, I'd still have a desktop with me | 23:14 |
| Vulcanis | so... I dunno | 23:14 |
| Vulcanis | but I'll probably just wait the three months | 23:14 |
| Vulcanis | hopefully the harddrive and everything else of this one will hold out until then | 23:14 |
| johnx | is it physically falling apart or just the HD is dying? | 23:14 |
| * b-man still has'nt given up on the ubuntu/mer keyboard problem... | 23:15 | |
| Vulcanis | HD is dying, the battery is completely dead, monitor has some brightspots | 23:15 |
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| Vulcanis | replacing HDD and Battery costs more than a netbook | 23:15 |
| Vulcanis | so... | 23:15 |
| BULLE | Vulcanis: yeah | 23:15 |
| johnx | I've been seriously deciding between a used x31/x32 and a netbook actually | 23:16 |
| Vulcanis | go get an x60 >.> | 23:16 |
| johnx | kind of a price difference :P | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: could you do me a favour and upload latest installer to that scp thing? | 23:16 |
| BULLE | johnx: imho, if you can get used to the keyboard size of a netbook, go for it, but do try it out a bit beforehand | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | b-man: so i can point innocent victims to it | 23:16 |
| BULLE | johnx: i have small hands, so i can hapilly use the keyboard on my eee 1000 att full typing speed | 23:17 |
| johnx | BULLE, tried them out plenty. the HP ones are ok. nothing else seemed worth it. | 23:17 |
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| johnx | and an atom really is slower than an old pentium m | 23:17 |
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| BULLE | johnx: oh, i find both msi wind and eee 1000 keyboards to be just fine for me | 23:18 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: if i can :p To tell you the truth, i don't know how to upload it with ssh X( | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | "scp filename username@hostname:~/public_html" | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:19 |
| johnx | they're ok...and would be fine occasionally I suppose. | 23:19 |
| BULLE | johnx: yeah, its nothign you use as your main computer | 23:19 |
| johnx | and I'd be intending to use this a lot | 23:20 |
| johnx | but a used laptop will come with a HD I can't trust and a dying battery...should really just save for an x200 | 23:20 |
| lcuk | johnx, are you onj a laptop now or a dying desktop | 23:23 |
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| johnx | on an old desktop I'd like to repurpose or get rid of | 23:23 |
| lcuk | grab an eee and carry on as if it were a desktop | 23:23 |
| lcuk | then use it as a lappy when needbe | 23:23 |
| johnx | I kind of need a certain amount of CPU power... | 23:24 |
| lcuk | put it in performance mode :D | 23:24 |
| johnx | imagine something half as fast as that new tablet you just got lcuk | 23:24 |
| lcuk | i run it at half as fast anyway, its locked to 798mhz | 23:24 |
| johnx | and you'd be happy with that as a main machine? | 23:25 |
| lcuk | not yet im not, its at my side, its a slate | 23:25 |
| lcuk | its running liqbase 247 | 23:25 |
| johnx | nah, I'll just keep hauling my desktop around the world for now | 23:25 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:25 |
| lcuk | for what i use this machine for though, the vga out we see from omap3 will replace need to copy files over the network | 23:26 |
| lcuk | i hope to god they put the port in | 23:26 |
| johnx | lcuk, they can't if they use an unmodified omap | 23:27 |
| lcuk | if i can get basic monitor and keyboard i will b happy :) really, why not? | 23:27 |
| lcuk | theres videos on youtube from movial showing all this | 23:27 |
| johnx | IIUC, you get one high res output that they hook up to the LCD and one NTSC output to hook up to s-video | 23:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, the second framebuffer is 640x480 | 23:28 |
| lcuk | ahhh video out != monitor dvi out? | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it could certainly drive VGA or composite | 23:28 |
| johnx | so if you get a beagle you're in good shape, but if you're counting on VGA out from Nokia you're probably out of luck | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, not gonna happen | 23:29 |
| lcuk | oh noes! | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Even a proprietary port is gonna be too big. | 23:29 |
| johnx | Nokia AV port to the rescue :) | 23:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That said, VGA over USB is much more feasible with OMAP3 than OMAP2 | 23:29 |
| lcuk | ahhh well, plan b | 23:29 |
| johnx | plan b ?= learn to love ssh | 23:30 |
| lcuk | gen, tbh it doesnt matter that much, ive got a headless laptop here that im gonna try with | 23:30 |
| lcuk | plan b ^ | 23:30 |
| lcuk | bbl anyway | 23:31 |
| zchydem | hey! Does anyone know how the hildon desktop translates the "Name"-attribute in the *.desktop files in Human readable form? Does it use gettext or somethign else? | 23:31 |
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| zchydem | hey gnuton | 23:32 |
| gnuton | hey zchydem | 23:32 |
| zchydem | what's up? | 23:32 |
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| gnuton | zchydem: That's fine.. I'm trying to understand something more about the finnish taxation system.. O_o | 23:34 |
| zchydem | uh.. The basic guideline is that they will always take more than you want:) I pay apprx. 31% tax from my every salary.. That sucks | 23:35 |
| pupnik_ | hello, 31% slave | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | 31% only? liberal bastards :P | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | 38% + 10% here | 23:36 |
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| zchydem | Stskeeps: where do you live? | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | .dk | 23:36 |
| zchydem | Now I know to avoid moving there:) | 23:37 |
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| Stskeeps | well on the other hand we get a lot of free stuff :P | 23:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Stskeeps, what's the default font for mer btw? | 23:38 |
| zchydem | you mean like health care etc? | 23:38 |
| RST38h | 13% | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | healthcare, student support (we dont have to have loans like .fi), etc :P | 23:38 |
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| gnuton | zchydem: I paid about 50% in December O_o and I don't understand why... | 23:39 |
| * sp3000 has survived without loan in .fi | 23:39 | |
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| * johnx thinks the US lack of national healthcare is basically barbaric | 23:39 | |
| gnuton | My tax card in december was fine... | 23:40 |
| RST38h | johnx: but hey, US has got the greatest military in the world! | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | we get about 500 eur per month post-tax in student support if you live away from parents :P | 23:40 |
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| * qwerty12_N800 <3's nhs | 23:40 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, "free" :roll: | 23:40 |
| RST38h | johnx: Ain't you fucking proud? =) | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hehe | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, you're insane. | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: there's no free lunch, true, but we get a lot back -for- our taxes :P | 23:40 |
| gnuton | RST38h: are you happy for that? :P | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, no you don't, you lose a lot then they give you a little back. | 23:41 |
| RST38h | gnuton: Can't you see how happy I am? =) | 23:41 |
| sp3000 | Stskeeps: 4 to 5 here fwiw | 23:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Government is almost always less efficient. | 23:41 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I just exercised my access to the national healthcare that I pay into right now. In the US it would have cost 10+ times what it ended up costing here | 23:41 |
| sp3000 | efficient at what goal | 23:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, health care would cost a lot less if there were no insurance at all. | 23:41 |
| gnuton | RST38h: :D I can see it! :P | 23:42 |
| pupnik_ | that's definitely true GeneralAntilles | 23:42 |
| RST38h | General: I would prefer it to be less efficient about providing me with medical care than about bombing people I do not know in places I have never been to | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nationalizing health care just degrades quality and increases price overall. | 23:42 |
| RST38h | General: Have you tried? =) | 23:42 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, every so often you need serious intervention though, not just a band aid and a pat on the head | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, this is a discussion about health care, not about military operations in foreign countries. | 23:42 |
| * Stskeeps is perfectly happy with nationalized healthcare | 23:42 | |
| sp3000 | I'll accept that business is likely better incentivized for internal efficiency, but that alone means nothing | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | we have private hospitals too though | 23:42 |
| RST38h | General: This is the discussion about how your tax dollars are spent | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, since when? | 23:43 |
| RST38h | General: Since the beginning I am afraid | 23:43 |
| * GeneralAntilles goes back to shooting zombies. | 23:43 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Red Herrings are awesome. | 23:43 |
| RST38h | general: But anyway, medicare/medicaid level healthcare isn't particularly bad | 23:43 |
| RST38h | Not stellar of course, but acceptable as a basic level | 23:43 |
| RST38h | Especially instead of above-mentioned military adventures | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, your argument seems to be that because I'm against nationalized healthcare, I'm obviously for military spending. | 23:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Which is just silly, and doesn't really deserve to be addressed. | 23:45 |
| RST38h | General: No, it is a bit more subtle than that | 23:45 |
| RST38h | Sorry you haven't got it, I must have been more clear | 23:45 |
| johnx | I think his idea goes like "take military funds and put together a national health care system. no tax increase" | 23:45 |
| RST38h | General: The argument is that US is wasting huge amount of tax money for military enterprises it does not really benefit from | 23:46 |
| RST38h | General: So, wasting THAT SAME money on healthcare isn't such a big problem | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, my argument is that the government is a giant waste. | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | End of story. | 23:46 |
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| RST38h | It is, but there is waste and then there is waste | 23:46 |
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| johnx | and mine goes like: not everyone will have $50,000 just sitting around waiting for an emergency, so it's nice to have a healthcare plan to cover you | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | They'll have a lot more when government isn't sucking money out of them like a leech | 23:47 |
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| RST38h | As to your libertarian ideas, just wait until you get a bit older and need to fix your health | 23:47 |
| RST38h | Or end up without housing. | 23:47 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, would you really have $50,000 in savings *right now* with lower taxes? | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, if insurance weren't creating such a huge overhead on the healthcare system, it wouldn't cost $50k | 23:48 |
| johnx | RST38h, heh...don't need to get much older. turns out there are fun problems to get when you're young too :) | 23:48 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, depends on the problem, doesn't it? | 23:48 |
| RST38h | johnx: Yea, God provides, but Darwin has His own ways to reveal Himself =) | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, silly discussion that I'm not going to continue. | 23:48 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, a couple months ago I would have agreed with you, :) | 23:49 |
| RST38h | US insurance system is all private, no government there ;) | 23:49 |
| johnx | RST38h, and modern medicine is annoying as hell, sometimes uncomfortable, but is really nice to have | 23:49 |
| RST38h | Putting more government into healthcare will essentially create competition for insurance industry and make it level its costs | 23:49 |
| RST38h | johnx: Not sure this did not apply to pre-modern medicine :) | 23:50 |
| johnx | RST38h, nah, I'm happy to exist in the present and not even 10 years ago :) | 23:52 |
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| johnx | anyways, giant bash scripts are a pain...time to get some sleep | 23:59 |
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