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| hachi | what choices for mail clients do I have on maemo... I see the builtin client, which wastes a ton of cpu on my inbox all the time | 00:20 |
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| hachi | I see modest, which is OK, but doesn't let me see more than one account at the same time, and doesn't update my server when I read/delete email | 00:21 |
| hachi | and then claws which just doesn't work well | 00:21 |
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| cbx33 | pupnik, remember our video encoding | 00:23 |
| cbx33 | you got a format that works nice with the built in media player? | 00:23 |
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| cbx33 | man oh man | 00:29 |
| cbx33 | what happened to mplayer in os208 | 00:29 |
| cbx33 | what happened to mplayer in os2008 | 00:29 |
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| doc|work | cbx33: mplayer was never part of the distribution. You can get it from garage.maemo.org though | 00:36 |
| cbx33 | i know | 00:36 |
| cbx33 | but it sux | 00:36 |
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| cbx33 | video playback is poor compared to os2007 | 00:37 |
| doc|work | that the situation is exactly the same as it has always been? :) | 00:37 |
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| cbx33 | no no, it used to be awesome on the n800 in os2007 | 00:37 |
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| hachi | does anyone have any luck with email on OS2008? | 00:40 |
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| hachi | I bought the n810 thinking it would have a decent email client, but I'm just having no decent luck | 00:40 |
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| mazzen | hachi: for me *this* is the first mail client i can really use on the n-series | 00:42 |
| hachi | the builtin client spins the cpu for line 30 minutes anytime it tries to sync the inbox | 00:42 |
| mazzen | cant't confirm that. the only bad thing is: i don't see any folders of my imap account. but the performance is really good | 00:43 |
| hachi | I can't get modest to actually do the operations on the imap | 00:44 |
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| hachi | I can delete messages on my n810 | 00:44 |
| hachi | and they're still there on the imap server | 00:44 |
| EruditeHermit | hi, is there a word processor like abiword for maemo 4? | 00:45 |
| pupnik | abiword is coming | 00:47 |
| hachi | the notes app is actually close enough to a WP for me to use | 00:47 |
| hachi | any 'fancy' stuff I do will need a machine that can print anyways | 00:47 |
| EruditeHermit | pupnik: any ideas when? | 00:49 |
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| pupnik | http://www.indt.org.br/maemo/#abiword | 00:50 |
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| |tbb| | anyone got a clue where the background wallpaper is stored (in registry) | 00:51 |
| pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/abiword/ | 00:51 |
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| rghosh | tbb: i think it's in ~/.osso/hildon-desktop/home-background.conf | 00:55 |
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| rghosh | sorry, that's /usr/share/backgrounds/default.desktop | 01:05 |
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| |tbb| | rgosh, first place was correct | 01:17 |
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| |tbb| | i wonder if its possible to change the background by gconf changing or any other automatic | 01:21 |
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| Mousey | ooo, rotating backgrounds. one of my damper dreams | 01:23 |
| Mousey | speaking of | 01:24 |
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| Mousey | why is there no cron daemon? | 01:24 |
| |tbb| | how to change it anyway just changing the conf doesnt take effect without reload | 01:25 |
| |tbb| | s/reload/reboot/ | 01:26 |
| infobot | |tbb| meant: how to change it anyway just changing the conf doesnt take effect without reboot | 01:26 |
| * czr peeks | 01:27 | |
| * czr glues a pink wig on lcuk_2's head | 01:27 | |
| lcuk_2 | thanks cz :) just what i always wanted :| but you made me smile | 01:27 |
| czr | we can't have have you walking around without hair, can we.. | 01:28 |
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| lcuk_2 | i might have to - this thing is driving me crazy | 01:28 |
| czr | what are you borking? | 01:28 |
| lcuk_2 | with fbreader not working its pushing me to needing faster text rendering | 01:28 |
| czr | hmm. why doesn't it work? | 01:29 |
| lcuk_2 | (fbreader wont view my current books beyond page 9 - yesterday it would) | 01:29 |
| czr | interesting | 01:29 |
| czr | try rebooting? :-) | 01:29 |
| lcuk_2 | hmmm its going off as i type | 01:30 |
| czr | noooooo... | 01:30 |
| czr | or rather, yayyyyyy | 01:30 |
| lcuk_2 | yer im on desktop | 01:30 |
| lcuk_2 | nope, from page 9 i clicked the position bar to the middle and it jumped to....page 7 (it should be around page 150) | 01:31 |
| czr | ah. maybe it has a bug somewhere (like "duh") :-) | 01:32 |
| lcuk_2 | theres somethin up with it cos its borked | 01:32 |
| lcuk_2 | i cant roll back an install to a specific version without a deb for that version can i | 01:33 |
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| lcuk_2 | "uninstalling fbreader" | 01:33 |
| LinuxCode | evening guys | 01:34 |
| lcuk_2 | hi linux | 01:34 |
| LinuxCode | how are you ? | 01:34 |
| lcuk_2 | somewhere between great and hell | 01:34 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk_2, installed gpe and managed to sync with evolution | 01:34 |
| LinuxCode | im well pleased now | 01:34 |
| LinuxCode | it basically does all I require now | 01:34 |
| LinuxCode | anything else is a super-bonus | 01:34 |
| LinuxCode | ;-} | 01:35 |
| lcuk_2 | nice | 01:35 |
| LinuxCode | + fedora is running an arm project | 01:35 |
| LinuxCode | as I found out yesterday | 01:35 |
| czr | LinuxCode, which arm? left or right? | 01:35 |
| czr | cause it makes a world of difference! | 01:35 |
| LinuxCode | czr, between ya legs..and its huge | 01:35 |
| czr | oh my. | 01:35 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 01:35 |
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| * czr runs away from fedoras arm before it's too late | 01:35 | |
| LinuxCode | it will only help Nxxx | 01:36 |
| czr | hmm. what's PST short for? pacific central? | 01:36 |
| * lcuk_2 gets back an older version of fbreader | 01:36 | |
| LinuxCode | if momentum grows and drags developers into hildon etc.. | 01:36 |
| LinuxCode | czr, pacific standard time ? | 01:37 |
| czr | ah. could be | 01:37 |
| LinuxCode | or something like that | 01:37 |
| |tbb| | is there some functionality to reload the home screen by command in windows its killall explorer ;) | 01:37 |
| lcuk_2 | momentum might drag them in, but some of us get lost when we are in here | 01:37 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk_2, haha | 01:38 |
| LinuxCode | the maze! | 01:38 |
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| LinuxCode | tbh.... | 01:38 |
| * czr hates syncing up with people with completely different timezones | 01:38 | |
| LinuxCode | I think without familiar...maemo wouldnt exist | 01:38 |
| czr | arranging telephoning times is such a pita.. | 01:38 |
| LinuxCode | czr, yeh | 01:38 |
| LinuxCode | specially PST | 01:39 |
| LinuxCode | -8 | 01:39 |
| LinuxCode | cet -9 | 01:39 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 01:39 |
| * czr nods | 01:39 | |
| czr | CET was bad enough for me last time | 01:39 |
| lcuk_2 | familiar? for every device ive coded for then has been one primary dev chain that has been an end to end solution. im losing myself inside virtual machines and just want to edit/compile/run | 01:39 |
| czr | lcuk_2, at least now you can find yourself again. just look for the ping hairy thingy :-) | 01:40 |
| czr | but yeah, you're on to something.. | 01:40 |
| lcuk_2 | i can do it with python now for maemo, but I'll be damned if i can understand the process for anything else | 01:41 |
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| * czr hugs the clock applet in KDE | 01:42 | |
| LinuxCode | tbh.... | 01:42 |
| czr | allows me to track multiple timezones simultanously, not just two | 01:42 |
| LinuxCode | nokia made a huge mistake not to put a calendar etc.. app in | 01:42 |
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| LinuxCode | I was pretty miffed...I expected it | 01:42 |
| LinuxCode | even my shitty P800 has one | 01:42 |
| czr | there might be some reasons for that though | 01:42 |
| |tbb| | gnite all | 01:43 |
| LinuxCode | yeh 2008 is a bit behind | 01:43 |
| lcuk_2 | nite tbb | 01:43 |
| LinuxCode | nn mate | 01:43 |
| czr | cause they assume that people are using their phones for calendaring and such, which is obviously kind of weird when you'd have the large screen of N810 | 01:43 |
| LinuxCode | device dev was faster than OS dev | 01:43 |
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| czr | well, it might be some internal strategic reason | 01:43 |
| czr | who knows of these things.. | 01:43 |
| LinuxCode | yeh | 01:43 |
| LinuxCode | the big whale | 01:43 |
| LinuxCode | who knows where it swims and how fast | 01:43 |
| lcuk_2 | nokia fly on wall: arse, meet elbow | 01:44 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 01:44 |
| lcuk_2 | their n9x phone people need to get together with the maemo people and do some interfacing | 01:45 |
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| czr | hopefully not | 01:45 |
| czr | at least most of the sw on N810 runs | 01:45 |
| lcuk_2 | even if its just for the powervr code | 01:45 |
| czr | even if there's not a lot of it | 01:45 |
| czr | the powervr thing is a money question I guess | 01:45 |
| LinuxCode | Id like to see a mobile phone using linux | 01:46 |
| czr | and a design question as well, I'd guess | 01:46 |
| czr | motorola has some, as does panasonic and moko | 01:46 |
| LinuxCode | yeh | 01:46 |
| LinuxCode | but everywhere in the Uk i asked | 01:46 |
| LinuxCode | nobody knows | 01:46 |
| LinuxCode | or stocks them afaik | 01:46 |
| LinuxCode | its very disappointing | 01:46 |
| LinuxCode | but now I dont care anymore | 01:47 |
| czr | well, UK is a backwards country in so many ways anyway ;-) | 01:47 |
| LinuxCode | now I have the N810 | 01:47 |
| LinuxCode | czr, you here ? | 01:47 |
| LinuxCode | UK ? | 01:47 |
| * lcuk_2 is from the uk but is a hairless pink wig wearer so stands out from the crowd | 01:47 | |
| czr | not at the moment no. but I've visited/spent some time over there | 01:47 |
| LinuxCode | czr, you sir, are disqualified | 01:48 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 01:48 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 01:48 |
| lcuk_2 | where bouts are u linux? | 01:48 |
| LinuxCode | cardiff | 01:48 |
| LinuxCode | you ? | 01:48 |
| lcuk_2 | manchester | 01:48 |
| LinuxCode | k | 01:48 |
| czr | ah. liked manchester | 01:48 |
| LinuxCode | ;-} | 01:48 |
| lcuk_2 | then you can have it | 01:48 |
| czr | it had a nice feel to it | 01:48 |
| * lcuk_2 gives it you | 01:48 | |
| LinuxCode | haha | 01:48 |
| LinuxCode | here have London.. | 01:48 |
| lcuk_2 | did you actually manage to go anywhere without gettin mugged? | 01:49 |
| LinuxCode | you may sell it ... | 01:49 |
| LinuxCode | and buy a new City | 01:49 |
| czr | lcuk_2, sure :-) | 01:49 |
| czr | but then again I only walked outside during daylight :-) | 01:49 |
| lcuk_2 | im goin over the top, but once you look beneath the surface manc isnt that nice | 01:49 |
| czr | so I guess I'm even more disqualified ;-) | 01:49 |
| czr | probably | 01:49 |
| czr | I didn't spend too much time there. was living in chester at that time | 01:49 |
| * LinuxCode mugs czr and teals hos nxxx | 01:49 | |
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| LinuxCode | steals | 01:49 |
| lcuk_2 | might be the same everywhere but there are scallies who arent that nice | 01:49 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 01:49 |
| czr | and it was driving me nuts, so machester was a nice change | 01:49 |
| lcuk_2 | manc can be great with a bit of makeup on | 01:50 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk_2, the "chavs" | 01:50 |
| czr | LinuxCode, leave my hos alone! | 01:50 |
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| LinuxCode | lol | 01:50 |
| lcuk_2 | i think chavs are too posh for this lot | 01:50 |
| czr | lcuk_2, you have the pink wig now, so you're on your way to liking it ;-) | 01:50 |
| LinuxCode | I hope my laptop battery comes tomorrow | 01:50 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk_2, haha | 01:50 |
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| lcuk_2 | i like lots of things about manc and in the busy towncentre there is a great vibe | 01:51 |
| lcuk_2 | but once you start walking the streets on warmish nights (the 3 nights a week when its not raining) the mood changes | 01:51 |
| czr | btw, the timediff from here to PST is 10 hours | 01:51 |
| lcuk_2 | where are you? | 01:51 |
| czr | The Great Linux Kingdom of Finland (now serving Reindeers too) | 01:52 |
| czr | Helsinki to be more precise. at least at this moment. | 01:52 |
| lcuk_2 | cool | 01:52 |
| lcuk_2 | and if i remember you dont drive | 01:52 |
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| czr | the word is "cold".. | 01:52 |
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| czr | oh, I could, but I live in the city centre so owning a car would be silly for me. | 01:53 |
| lcuk_2 | i remember the conversation now | 01:53 |
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| czr | see.. the ping wig is working! | 01:53 |
| czr | pink even. | 01:53 |
| lcuk_2 | your timezone program - does it retain user name lists and other info | 01:53 |
| czr | although a ping wig would be cool too | 01:53 |
| czr | lcuk_2, it's a clock applet. so no. | 01:53 |
| czr | but that would be an interesting idea | 01:54 |
| LinuxCode | btw guys the internal mem on the N810 is NAND memory ? | 01:54 |
| lcuk_2 | i need a wallchart with user snippets on | 01:54 |
| LinuxCode | can any of you confirm that ? | 01:54 |
| czr | although I was thinking about that when was thinking about the problem of organizing meeting times between people | 01:54 |
| czr | LinuxCode, dmesg might have some messages to that effect, although I can't be certain atm.. | 01:54 |
| LinuxCode | good idea | 01:54 |
| czr | probably NAND.. | 01:54 |
| LinuxCode | lets see | 01:54 |
| LinuxCode | I read it somehwhere | 01:55 |
| czr | I'd be suprised if not. | 01:55 |
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| LinuxCode | I hope it is! | 01:55 |
| lcuk_2 | linux, its got DDR NOR and NAND | 01:55 |
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| LinuxCode | nand doesnt degrade | 01:55 |
| lcuk_2 | 128mb DDR | 01:55 |
| LinuxCode | wicked! | 01:55 |
| LinuxCode | awesome! | 01:55 |
| lcuk_2 | and 256 MB NOR flash memory | 01:55 |
| lcuk_2 | and integrated (NAND) flash capacity for storing data is 2 GB | 01:55 |
| LinuxCode | now all it would need is 4GB of it and it would be a device for life-time | 01:55 |
| lcuk_2 | at least thats what tgdaily says | 01:56 |
| LinuxCode | then expanding memory usage wont be an issue | 01:56 |
| lcuk_2 | http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34941/149/ | 01:56 |
| LinuxCode | if its nand...because it doesnt degrade | 01:56 |
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| LinuxCode | well it does degrade | 01:57 |
| LinuxCode | but 1 million writes.. | 01:57 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 01:57 |
| LinuxCode | as long as your filesystem aint stupid | 01:57 |
| LinuxCode | saying that its fat16/32 | 01:58 |
| czr | does it matter whether the user is stupid or not? | 01:58 |
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| lcuk_2 | churning the virtual memory page might be a bad idea ;) | 01:59 |
| czr | but if one is hungry! | 01:59 |
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| * czr starts to gnaw at lcuk_2's clean pages. | 01:59 | |
| czr | (the dirty ones taste weird) | 01:59 |
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| lcuk_2 | if i install directly from a .deb on the filesystem, it wont be listed in the updatable apps will it? | 02:09 |
| czr | it won't | 02:10 |
| czr | unless a repo will provide a newer version of the same package | 02:11 |
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| czr | lcuk_2, same if you would just install a .deb with dpkg -i in normal debian-based distro | 02:11 |
| LinuxCode | wtf | 02:12 |
| LinuxCode | what sucks | 02:12 |
| LinuxCode | eh that | 02:12 |
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| lcuk_2 | that means a lot - i am not a linux ninja. i am just starting | 02:12 |
| czr | LinuxCode, why would it suck? | 02:13 |
| czr | how would apt know which place to search for the new package? | 02:13 |
| LinuxCode | are you telling me if you install stuff via dpkg it wont stick it in the package database ? | 02:14 |
| czr | it will | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | ok | 02:14 |
| czr | that wasn't the question I think | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | then i misunderstood | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | sorry | 02:14 |
| czr | maybe I did, lcuk_2? | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | so lets be clear | 02:14 |
| czr | lcuk_2, dpkg is the command line tool to install packages :-). -i = install from .deb file. so something like dpkg -i foobar.deb | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk_2, if you dpkg -i xxx.deb. it keeps the package name in the database | 02:15 |
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| lcuk_2 | ive had a problem with auto updating app, i am manually installing the older version and posting a bug fix if it works, but i want the app to auto update after they fix it | 02:15 |
| lcuk_2 | yes i think it is because its listed for uninstall | 02:15 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk_2, use apt-get | 02:15 |
| LinuxCode | the Nxxxupdater sucks | 02:15 |
| czr | lcuk_2, that should be fine if you install the fixed version from a repo later | 02:15 |
| lcuk_2 | can i get a specific version with apt-get? | 02:15 |
| LinuxCode | that I do not know | 02:16 |
| czr | assuming that the specific version is available in the repo, yes | 02:16 |
| LinuxCode | now thats a good feature | 02:16 |
| lcuk_2 | from the looks of things its not... | 02:16 |
| czr | but normally older versions are removed automatically when a new version is released | 02:16 |
| LinuxCode | wish yum had that | 02:16 |
| * LinuxCode fancies something sweet | 02:16 | |
| czr | at least AFAIR, haven't installed specific versions for ages | 02:16 |
| lcuk_2 | ive got 2/3 of the dependents it lists (by using google cache to get the filenames and used their tree) | 02:16 |
| czr | but I seem to remember that it works quite ok | 02:16 |
| lcuk_2 | they are stupid, they have obsolete versions listed, but the last few are gone | 02:17 |
| * LinuxCode ponders to raid his German chocoloate supplies | 02:17 | |
| lcuk_2 | CHOCOLATE | 02:17 |
| lcuk_2 | thanks | 02:17 |
| * lcuk_2 grabbed a galaxy | 02:17 | |
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| * czr drinks some green tea | 02:17 | |
| LinuxCode | lcuk_2, if you ever see Ritter Sport chocolate | 02:17 |
| lcuk_2 | no | 02:18 |
| LinuxCode | its german chocolate...buy some! | 02:18 |
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| LinuxCode | we Brits are being ripped off | 02:18 |
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| LinuxCode | half of our chocolate is veg fat | 02:18 |
| LinuxCode | in germany they use cocoa butter | 02:18 |
| LinuxCode | they sell it in House of frasier in cardiff | 02:19 |
| LinuxCode | in the deli sweets place | 02:19 |
| lcuk_2 | lol | 02:19 |
| LinuxCode | my brother lives in Germany..he sent me some for x-mas | 02:19 |
| LinuxCode | <--- addict | 02:19 |
| LinuxCode | brb | 02:19 |
| LinuxCode | mmmm | 02:22 |
| LinuxCode | semi-dark chocolate with mousse au chocolat | 02:23 |
| lcuk_2 | :O it is a bug in fbreader - i (somehow) managed to get the 8.1 version downloaded and installed and it works again | 02:25 |
| * lcuk_2 gives 8.11 a scornfull look and sends it to its room | 02:25 | |
| lcuk_2 | 0.^ | 02:25 |
| Tama^2 | I am a cocoa addicted too | 02:26 |
| Tama^2 | my favoure is dark chocolate from Lindt (Swiss) | 02:26 |
| Tama^2 | 70% or 85% of pure delight ;) | 02:26 |
| LinuxCode | Tama^2, sounds like you are a girl | 02:27 |
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| LinuxCode | chocolate addicts usually = female | 02:28 |
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| * LinuxCode keeps women away from his supplies | 02:28 | |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 02:28 |
| Tama^2 | true, true but I am not a girl | 02:28 |
| LinuxCode | pitty | 02:28 |
| * LinuxCode always likes female linux users | 02:28 | |
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| LinuxCode | need more of them | 02:28 |
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| czr | why? | 02:40 |
| czr | why would anyone care whether linux users are men or female anyway? | 02:41 |
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| LinuxCode | czr, I do because it means the more equal the percentage of users is...the more mainstream it will be | 02:42 |
| pupnik | because women who use linux are cool | 02:42 |
| LinuxCode | czr, I also want kids to use it | 02:42 |
| czr | LinuxCode, no. the ratio of users using linux versus other systems is the only factor that decides whether it's mainstream or not. | 02:42 |
| LinuxCode | kids is probably more important than any adult | 02:42 |
| LinuxCode | czr, agreed | 02:42 |
| lcuk_2 | i keep scaring my eldest by threating to put linux on his DS | 02:42 |
| czr | heh | 02:42 |
| LinuxCode | but if theres an equal percentage it means its closer ot being mainstream | 02:42 |
| zerojay | I got so bored with the DS that I took mine apart and left it like that. | 02:43 |
| czr | LinuxCode, does it? I think you cannot prove this :-) | 02:43 |
| LinuxCode | Indeed sir | 02:43 |
| LinuxCode | I cannot | 02:43 |
| LinuxCode | when I can...I will be happy | 02:43 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 02:43 |
| * czr will be happy too | 02:43 | |
| zerojay | There's more women than you think. | 02:43 |
| lcuk_2 | mainstream != equal male/female participation | 02:43 |
| czr | I'd just like more women to start doing serious computer work so that work environments would be more balanced | 02:43 |
| LinuxCode | czr, agreed | 02:44 |
| czr | although ours isn't so bad infact. | 02:44 |
| LinuxCode | its better for the work environment too | 02:44 |
| zerojay | Just that so many women get hit on like crazy when they out themselves because of other guys going "OOOH, SHE LIKES LINUX, LET ME SEE IF SHE WILL TOUCH MY LEELEE" that they don't want to bother. | 02:44 |
| LinuxCode | tbh University puts people off | 02:44 |
| LinuxCode | specially girls in the UK | 02:44 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 02:44 |
| czr | zerojay, indeed | 02:44 |
| czr | zerojay, and it's not even linux-related | 02:44 |
| czr | LinuxCode, I blame the parents | 02:45 |
| czr | I always blame the parents | 02:45 |
| czr | when I started my polytech thingy, there was 32 of us. 2 women. | 02:46 |
| czr | and that's more or less the ratio that the program had for most years | 02:46 |
| zerojay | And I bet those two were constantly hit on. | 02:46 |
| czr | zerojay, well. only one actually. | 02:46 |
| LinuxCode | czr, tbh i think that ratio still applies | 02:46 |
| zerojay | The other one was hitting on that one too then. :) | 02:46 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 02:46 |
| czr | zerojay, I doubt it :-) | 02:47 |
| lcuk_2 | one of the women might have been called derek if she had enrolled the year before | 02:47 |
| czr | that's closer to the truth | 02:47 |
| LinuxCode | hahaha | 02:48 |
| LinuxCode | loool | 02:48 |
| * LinuxCode hits lcuk_2 | 02:48 | |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 02:48 |
| LinuxCode | I almost spat coke on my keyboard | 02:48 |
| czr | you should spit it on lcuk_2's keyboard instead, since he's the real culprit | 02:48 |
| * czr adds /dcc spit to all irc client codebases quickly | 02:49 | |
| lcuk_2 | is that compiled alongside "stabuserineye.mod"? | 02:49 |
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| LinuxCode | lool | 02:50 |
| lcuk_2 | :D:D:D:D | 02:52 |
| lcuk_2 | finally got fbreader working and restored my settings | 02:52 |
| * lcuk_2 is thankful he backed them up before resetting to default | 02:53 | |
| GeneralAntilles | There aren't THAT many settings in FBReader. :P | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, you get your N810 ordered? | 02:53 |
| zerojay | No. | 02:53 |
| zerojay | But it's my fault. | 02:54 |
| zerojay | My code appeared to work. | 02:54 |
| lcuk_2 | no gen, but the latest update completely killed practically every book i was reading | 02:54 |
| zerojay | But my credit card's maxed out... so... yeah. | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 02:54 |
| zerojay | I don't think Nokia accepts anything else except a credit card that has a billing address that matches the shipping address. So. | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you'd stop buying so much porn . . . | 02:55 |
| zerojay | So anyways, I'm pretty much screwed. | 02:55 |
| elb | you can always try again next month | 02:56 |
| lcuk_2 | zero, which device have you got at the moment | 02:57 |
| zerojay | N800. | 02:57 |
| benno2__ | hi, on OS 2006 I had connectivity_preload.sh , how can I force to start the connection OS 2008 at boot ? | 02:58 |
| zerojay | It does it automatically. | 02:58 |
| zerojay | If you have it set to connect automatically. | 02:58 |
| benno2__ | zerojay: thanks, where can I set the connection autostart in OS2008 ? | 02:59 |
| zerojay | It's not really connect on boot. | 02:59 |
| zerojay | But it will try to connect once it boots up. | 02:59 |
| lcuk_2 | benno, click the connection notification icon and click "connectivity settings" | 02:59 |
| zerojay | Yep. | 03:00 |
| benno2__ | thanks I already have connect automatically WLAN connections | 03:00 |
| benno2__ | but it does not work | 03:00 |
| zerojay | It does. | 03:01 |
| lcuk_2 | whats search interval | 03:01 |
| lcuk_2 | is it never? | 03:01 |
| benno2__ | I have vnc started in the real_af_init_script, at the end of script. but it says cannot connect. | 03:01 |
| benno2__ | search interval 10min | 03:01 |
| zerojay | Yeah, if you have it set to never, it won't connect. | 03:01 |
| zerojay | Well, it should connect sometime between boot and 10 minutes later then. | 03:01 |
| benno2__ | I need it immediately because I have a vnc client which opens the screen immediately | 03:02 |
| zerojay | You'll have to work it out yourself then. | 03:02 |
| j0tt | anyone managed to build a glx enabled xserver for os2008 (mesa)? | 03:03 |
| lcuk_2 | does an application have to inform osso if it wants internet or should accessing an address attempt to connect | 03:03 |
| zerojay | j0tt: You want to run a glx enabled X on a tablet that has no 3d acceleration? | 03:03 |
| benno2__ | zerojay: under OS 2006 I called source /usr/bin/connectivity_preload.sh and afterwards vncviewer and it worked well. now on OS2008 connectivity_preload.sh is missing | 03:03 |
| j0tt | zerojay: yes! :) | 03:03 |
| zerojay | benno2__: Maybe a dbus call will do it. | 03:04 |
| zerojay | j0tt: You like slideshows? | 03:04 |
| j0tt | zerojay: i don't want to play quake 3, but do some mathematical visualizations. | 03:04 |
| zerojay | j0tt: Move along. | 03:05 |
| zerojay | j0tt: This isn't the hardware you're looking for. *jedi hand wave* | 03:05 |
| j0tt | so, yes low framerates are acceptable | 03:05 |
| benno2__ | zerojay: thanks. is this dbus stuff documented ? | 03:05 |
| zerojay | benno2__: Look in the SDK and dev materials. | 03:06 |
| benno2__ | thanks | 03:06 |
| zerojay | j0tt: What's your idea of "low"? | 03:06 |
| j0tt | 0.25-5 fps | 03:06 |
| zerojay | You'd be lucky if you got even that much. | 03:06 |
| dragorn | you'd probably be much better off with a software gl lib | 03:06 |
| dragorn | mesa in sw mode or something should be completely plausible | 03:07 |
| j0tt | a glx enabled xserver without hw accelration is mesa sw mode :) | 03:07 |
| czr | well, you can also use mesa-sw directly | 03:07 |
| czr | not bothering the X server at all | 03:07 |
| j0tt | i could indeed.. | 03:08 |
| czr | probably easier in your case | 03:08 |
| dragorn | j0tt: But it isn't. Well, ok, maybe I lie. A server configured for HW accel which falls back to SW is typically significantly slower than a server configured for pure sw | 03:08 |
| j0tt | but ITs are there to "bother" :) | 03:08 |
| dragorn | but that may be an artifact of the hw drivers of whatever kind I was dealing with | 03:08 |
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| jott | i think it should not be that hard to get this running.. for now i only get the http://xkcd.org/371/ :) | 03:10 |
| jott | just wondered if anyone else played around with it.. | 03:10 |
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| jott | are the changes nokia made to the xserver significant? or would a vanilla xserver run? | 03:11 |
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| lcuk_2 | jott, for some indepth insight into framebuffer coding this thread is a great place to start: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_view;post=19711;list=maemo | 03:15 |
| jott | lcuk_2: thanks, i'll have a look | 03:15 |
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| [1]a-l-p-h-a | I have a 770, and I dont' have sound, it's _not_ on mute... and the volume is up. I recently added a 2gig mem card to it... | 04:17 |
| [1]a-l-p-h-a | I've restarted it, by holding down the power, and booting up again... still no sound. | 04:17 |
| [1]a-l-p-h-a | anyone got any other ideas? | 04:17 |
| LinuxCode | check if the module is loaded | 04:18 |
| [1]a-l-p-h-a | how do I check? | 04:18 |
| LinuxCode | lsmod.. | 04:18 |
| [1]a-l-p-h-a | in xterm no lsmod. "sh: lsmod: not found" | 04:18 |
| LinuxCode | gotta be root | 04:19 |
| LinuxCode | ohh wait! | 04:19 |
| LinuxCode | its embedded linux | 04:19 |
| [1]a-l-p-h-a | su, doesn't give me root either. doh... I'm such a newb... this 770's been sitting on my desk way too long. | 04:19 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 04:19 |
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| Xamusk | hi | 04:19 |
| LinuxCode | hmm | 04:20 |
| LinuxCode | no modinfo | 04:20 |
| LinuxCode | not very helpful | 04:20 |
| Xamusk | I was considering buying a PDA, but I'm in doubt between an iPaq 111 and a Nokia N800 | 04:20 |
| LinuxCode | [1]a-l-p-h-a, theres something called gainroot | 04:20 |
| [1]a-l-p-h-a | no modinfo | 04:20 |
| LinuxCode | sudo gainroot when installed | 04:20 |
| LinuxCode | Xamusk, linux user ? | 04:20 |
| Xamusk | LinuxCode, yes | 04:21 |
| pupnik | Xamusk, depends entirely on your use case. For me as a linux guy, the tablets have no competitors. | 04:21 |
| LinuxCode | Id second that | 04:21 |
| LinuxCode | however, id buy a N810 | 04:21 |
| LinuxCode | not a N800 | 04:21 |
| Xamusk | yet, I still need a calendar with alarm or something like that | 04:21 |
| LinuxCode | Xamusk, gpe | 04:21 |
| LinuxCode | its in the maemo test repo | 04:21 |
| Xamusk | N810 is more expensife than I can afford | 04:21 |
| [1]a-l-p-h-a | I'm thinking a ipod touch when they have 32gigs. | 04:21 |
| LinuxCode | also syncable with evolution | 04:22 |
| LinuxCode | Xamusk, save a bit longer | 04:22 |
| LinuxCode | its worth it | 04:22 |
| LinuxCode | the keyboard is worth gold | 04:22 |
| Xamusk | LinuxCode, for a GPS, a keyboard an no SD slot? | 04:22 |
| pupnik | If i were buying, I'd get a n800 with bluetooth keyboard. | 04:22 |
| LinuxCode | + its smaller | 04:22 |
| LinuxCode | it has got one SD slot | 04:22 |
| LinuxCode | micro-sd | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 is crappy | 04:23 |
| LinuxCode | LIES | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 is cheaper and better. :P | 04:23 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 04:23 |
| Tama^2 | I agree the N800 is better | 04:23 |
| LinuxCode | ok so who of you lot owns both ? | 04:23 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 04:23 |
| Xamusk | micro-sd is not SD | 04:23 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 04:23 |
| LinuxCode | Xamusk, I know... | 04:23 |
| LinuxCode | so ? | 04:23 |
| LinuxCode | Xamusk, buy a N800 then | 04:24 |
| LinuxCode | better than ipaq any day | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 might be better if there were actually any price competition | 04:24 |
| Xamusk | so, it would be my only device for wich I'd have to buy micro-sd and my sd cards would be useless | 04:24 |
| LinuxCode | so ? | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | but as it is, you can get two N800s for the price of an N810. | 04:24 |
| Xamusk | indeed | 04:25 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, onlybecause they are getting rid of the old model | 04:25 |
| ryoohki | what is the highest capacity of a micro-sd? 2gb? do they have 32gb sd cards yet? | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't matter | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | The reality is price | 04:25 |
| LinuxCode | ryoohki, 8GB | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | ryoohki, 2048GB | 04:25 |
| LinuxCode | in shops | 04:25 |
| pupnik | i have 4GB class 6 kingston mini-sd in my N810 - 22 euro | 04:25 |
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| Xamusk | even if I sold my gps, it would not cover the cost difference | 04:26 |
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| LinuxCode | tbh anything beyond 8GB..I wouldnt know what ya would need more for | 04:26 |
| LinuxCode | Xamusk, not my money | 04:26 |
| LinuxCode | Xamusk, your decision to make | 04:26 |
| Xamusk | indeed | 04:26 |
| LinuxCode | just saying tha I played with both..and bought a N810 | 04:27 |
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| LinuxCode | and Im more than happy | 04:27 |
| LinuxCode | I will be over the moon when my build environment is up | 04:27 |
| LinuxCode | and i have had a chance to check out fedoras progress | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode, you lack imagination. :P | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | My music library is 220GB | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Movies are another 600GB | 04:27 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, mine is 1TB | 04:28 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 04:28 |
| ryoohki | GeneralAntilles: huh? | 04:28 |
| LinuxCode | I dont need to drag 1TB os music around with me | 04:28 |
| LinuxCode | of | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | How can you not see what you would use more than 8GB of storage for? | 04:28 |
| Xamusk | so, as the cost of the ipaq is nearer to the n800, I'm considering those two | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | WinMob sucks, Xamusk. | 04:28 |
| ryoohki | does the n810 have twice the ram as the n800? a faster cpu? the same video camera? | 04:28 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, id use my old ipod | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode, toss in GPS maps for "Map" and maemo mapper | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ScummVM games | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | ebooks | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | pictures | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | it's damn easy to fill up a measly 8GB | 04:29 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 04:29 |
| [1]a-l-p-h-a | LinuxCode, lsmod shows two lines... a cx3110x and a uman. | 04:29 |
| Xamusk | GeneralAntilles, I know, but there are some things to consider | 04:29 |
| Xamusk | I was a palm user till now | 04:29 |
| Xamusk | but I specially like reading ebooks | 04:29 |
| ryoohki | i have a 16gb sd card - it was cheap and i see 32gb cf cards for cheap too | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got about 4GB of ebooks. | 04:29 |
| LinuxCode | [1]a-l-p-h-a, Ive got a N810 | 04:30 |
| Xamusk | oh, my collection is much smaller | 04:30 |
| lcuk_2 | but can you read them at the same time? | 04:30 |
| LinuxCode | but I also have them + one other | 04:30 |
| LinuxCode | but thats a disc module im sure | 04:30 |
| Xamusk | but anyway, I need to know how the battery goes for book reading | 04:30 |
| lcuk_2 | i have vnc for when my mobile library does not cope | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xamusk, like, forever. | 04:30 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk_2, rsync | 04:30 |
| Xamusk | and I must have a good calendar with alarm | 04:30 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 04:30 |
| LinuxCode | <3 rsync | 04:30 |
| lcuk_2 | xam, i read every night | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just stick to regular charging cycles | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'd probably get 10 hours out of it reading an ebook at low brightness | 04:31 |
| LinuxCode | Xamusk, the battery is awesome | 04:31 |
| Xamusk | not that I really need to sync the calendar to my desktop, but I must be able to write to it fast and it must have an alarm | 04:31 |
| * lcuk_2 has had niggles with his battery | 04:31 | |
| LinuxCode | I was on wireless + display on for at least 4 hours yesterday | 04:31 |
| ryoohki | the need to make a iscsi over bluetooth low power 500gb hd drive for peoples backpacks | 04:31 |
| Xamusk | and I read that the n800's calendar sucks | 04:31 |
| lcuk_2 | but google's | 04:31 |
| LinuxCode | Xamusk, N810 didnt have a calendar | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | ryoohki, sounds like a good way to ruin an HD | 04:31 |
| lcuk_2 | shit missed | 04:31 |
| LinuxCode | Xamusk, installed gpe..im happy now | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | GPE | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pimlico | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | We don't exactly lack options. | 04:32 |
| LinuxCode | adn as I said...gpe is syncable with evolution | 04:32 |
| LinuxCode | just have to set the password for the user so it can ssh in | 04:32 |
| Xamusk | GPE used to be a whole OS... do I have to overwrite nokia's os? | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | ryoohki, you'd have to do something like that with solid-state. | 04:33 |
| Xamusk | or I just add it's packages? | 04:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's just 5 applications. | 04:33 |
| lcuk_2 | bois, bootloader, kernel, shell, calendar ;) | 04:33 |
| Xamusk | oh, I like ssh :D | 04:33 |
| pupnik | i still don't have synergy working on the n810 yet - no kbd input working | 04:34 |
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| LinuxCode | what synergy ? | 04:35 |
| LinuxCode | whats | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google. :P | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like VNC | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | but you use the device's screen. | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorta turns another machine into a second (or fifth :P) monitor. | 04:35 |
| * LinuxCode is intruiged | 04:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Network KVM | 04:36 |
| LinuxCode | ohh wait..I have heard about it | 04:36 |
| LinuxCode | Im sure I even bookmarked | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://youtube.com/watch?v=RNlVrqtBHq4 | 04:36 |
| pupnik | it's the perfect solution when testing stuff on the device at your desk | 04:37 |
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| dospod | hey | 04:37 |
| pupnik | just move the mouse down off screen and your mouse/keyboard controls the tablet | 04:38 |
| dospod | any devs in here? | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | dospod, the better strategy is to just ask your question. :P | 04:38 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, that was his question | 04:38 |
| dospod | lol | 04:38 |
| LinuxCode | hes used his ratio for today | 04:38 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 04:38 |
| LinuxCode | NEXT! | 04:38 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 04:39 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 04:39 |
| dospod | ok well i saw some kid playing a tycoon game on his ipod touch | 04:39 |
| dospod | and it looked stable | 04:39 |
| dospod | so i looked up ipod touch homebrew | 04:39 |
| dospod | and I found the site of the game he wa splaying | 04:39 |
| dospod | and I was wondering why nobody else has ported it to maemo | 04:39 |
| dospod | http://zodttd.com/wp/?p=21 homebrew page | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because porting games takes time and energy? | 04:39 |
| dospod | game was running smooth | 04:39 |
| dospod | ipod touch has been out less time than the n800 | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | OpenTTD has been ported. | 04:40 |
| dospod | seriously? | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was running on the 770. | 04:40 |
| dospod | ok | 04:40 |
| * lcuk_2 waits for the inevitable, but framerate sucks | 04:40 | |
| dospod | but uhm | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a thread on ITT. | 04:40 |
| dospod | what about os 2008 or os 2007 | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't bothered to try it since the 770. | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ran fine on there. | 04:40 |
| lcuk_2 | slower gfx on 8x0 tho isnt it | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | dospod, try freeciv if you're jonesing. | 04:41 |
| pupnik | only for high framerate games, not strategy/sims | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, the N8x0 can run Quake, the 770 can't. ;) | 04:41 |
| LinuxCode | also doom | 04:41 |
| dospod | is freeciv stable? | 04:41 |
| pupnik | lcuk_2: i run quake on 770 | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, not well, anyway. | 04:41 |
| LinuxCode | I played doom | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works fine over here, dospod. | 04:42 |
| LinuxCode | bit odd to play but it works | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a thread on ITT. | 04:42 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 04:42 |
| lcuk_2 | doom runs well on 810 | 04:42 |
| LinuxCode | freeciv ? | 04:42 |
| dospod | are you on os 2008? | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | The controls for Quake on the N8x0 are really good. | 04:42 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mouse-look with the touchscreen | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | movement with the d-pad | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better than a damn DS | 04:42 |
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| Xamusk | by the way, that's another thing to consider: the iPaq has a faster processor than the N8x0 | 04:43 |
| pupnik | xscale? | 04:43 |
| lcuk_2 | ipaq is using *sob* 3d hardware (xscale+powervr) as well i gather... | 04:44 |
| pupnik | yes but those xscales are an older ARM core than the OMAP2420's | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xamusk, WinMob is the worst. | 04:44 |
| Xamusk | New/ Fast Marvell PXA310 Processor at 624MHz | 04:44 |
| LinuxCode | you cant directly compare Lhz to Mhz | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 04:45 |
| Xamusk | it's triple the clock, but clock is never a good comparison between different processors | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Triple? | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where'd you get that number? | 04:46 |
| elb | triple, *1.3, whatever ;-) | 04:46 |
| Xamusk | ops | 04:46 |
| Xamusk | double | 04:46 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 04:46 |
| LinuxCode | errm | 04:46 |
| elb | double, 1.3x, whatever | 04:46 |
| * LinuxCode sends you all back to Maths for beginners | 04:46 | |
| Xamusk | damn | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | 400 x 2 is 800MHz | 04:46 |
| Xamusk | x2? | 04:46 |
| LinuxCode | x2 = double | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | "double" | 04:47 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 04:47 |
| lcuk_2 | lol @ slipped and typed a triple instead of a double ;) | 04:47 |
| Xamusk | 330 MHz TI OMAP 2420 | 04:47 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk_2, haha | 04:47 |
| elb | oh, the n810 is only 400? | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xamusk, it's 400MHz | 04:47 |
| elb | I thought it was 4-something | 04:47 |
| Xamusk | I don't remember from where I was thinking about 200Mhz | 04:47 |
| jott | ceil(624/400); ;-) | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | They have the same damn CPU. | 04:47 |
| LinuxCode | elb, 401Mhz | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xamusk, 770 | 04:47 |
| LinuxCode | I made it faster just for you | 04:47 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 04:47 |
| LinuxCode | j/k | 04:47 |
| Xamusk | the 800 is 330Mhz | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 800 is 400MHz | 04:47 |
| LinuxCode | wrong | 04:47 |
| elb | Xamusk: no, it's the same as the n810 | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want to argue with me about this? :P | 04:47 |
| LinuxCode | 400 | 04:47 |
| dospod | i thought the 800 is 400mhz | 04:47 |
| Xamusk | then someone must change the wikipedia article | 04:48 |
| LinuxCode | dospod, correct | 04:48 |
| lcuk_2 | if an 800 is 400 then why are there wookies on endor? | 04:48 |
| elb | huh, wikipedia is wrong, shock of SHOCKS | 04:48 |
| pupnik | the n800 shipped at 330mhz | 04:48 |
| pupnik | the OS2008 upgrade unlocks 400mhz clock | 04:48 |
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| elb | software clocking does throw a real wrench into getting tech specs right | 04:48 |
| elb | but still ... wikipedia | 04:48 |
| penguinbait | anyone have uinput.ko handy? | 04:49 |
| dospod | what pupnik said is what i heard | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, allows it to scale between 165MHz and 400MHz | 04:49 |
| penguinbait | for 2008os | 04:49 |
| dospod | nokia did what sony did with the psp | 04:49 |
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| dospod | ship it with 233 clock speed but allowed it to go full speed if needed to at 333mhz | 04:49 |
| penguinbait | no it didnt | 04:49 |
| lcuk_2 | remember, the 330 to 400 mhz jump LOWERED the speed of the dsp | 04:49 |
| pupnik | right | 04:49 |
| lcuk_2 | its swings and roundabouts | 04:49 |
| dospod | as in they both underclocked cpu on purpose | 04:49 |
| pupnik | it's part of OMAP's dynamic clocking / power handling capability | 04:50 |
| Xamusk | Processor: OMAP2420 microprocessor at 330 MHz. Underclocked, runs at the native 400 Mhz with the latest (2008) fimware upgrade.(DSP speed will be halved) | 04:50 |
| lcuk_2 | they must have decided that the dsp needed more grunt on os2007, but come os2008 and the 810 the CPU speed was more important whilst the DSP was underused | 04:51 |
| pupnik | i love these old bad movies on publicdomaintorrents.com | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, no. | 04:51 |
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| lcuk_2 | go on then | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It scales between 165MHz to 400MHz | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | For the CPU | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | DSP scales with it | 04:51 |
| Xamusk | GeneralAntilles, is that configurable? | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | For highly-intensive DSP tasks, the CPU will run at 330MHz | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | allowing the DSP to run at full speed. | 04:52 |
| elb | it's all about power management | 04:52 |
| Xamusk | GeneralAntilles, I was thinking about underclocking everything to improve battery life | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xamusk, it's not something you need to worry about. | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's called "race to idle" Xamusk. | 04:52 |
| lcuk_2 | yer, which is why we cannot speed down the motorway with our stereos on - we either go slowly and have it loud or speed up quietly ;) | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N8x0 knows what it's doing. | 04:52 |
| elb | Xamusk: for the most part, you don't want to do that, because of the way processors consume power | 04:52 |
| Xamusk | because when I had my palm m100 I could get one week without changing batteries and I have to recharge my TX after one day | 04:53 |
| elb | Xamusk: you want to cut your processor speed to a level that balances speed transitions with making clock speed available for tasks which need it | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | A task will take more time to complete at a lower clock cycle, and basically consume the same amount of power as if the task were completed sooner at a faster clock cycle. | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | M100 didn't have a backlight . . . | 04:54 |
| elb | on the ARM, clock transitions are probably less painful than on more complicated processors, but still | 04:54 |
| lcuk_2 | right, im goin snoozin, nite | 04:54 |
| LinuxCode | nn mate | 04:54 |
| elb | Xamusk: and with the Palm, keep in mind that they are *aggressively* shut down, regardless of clock speed | 04:55 |
| elb | the display is most of their power drain under normal operating conditions | 04:55 |
| Xamusk | :) | 04:55 |
| elb | when you're sitting there looking at your schedule or whatever, the processor could be completely asleep and powered down | 04:55 |
| ryoohki | the largest minisd i could find was 8gb. anyone hear of any larger than 8gb? are they making 32gb sdhc cards yet? | 04:55 |
| Xamusk | indeed, but the n800 does have a backlight, and that's why I'm concerned with battery life | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I get 4-5 hours heavy use | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | idles for about 5 days with wifi | 04:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 6-10 hours light use | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1184097560.html | 04:56 |
| zerojay | I've never gotten 4-5 hours of heavy use. | 04:56 |
| zerojay | Maybe 2-3 if i'm lucky. | 04:57 |
| elb | GeneralAntilles: would "light use" include, for example, simply reading a document? | 04:57 |
| Xamusk | I want a lot of time on, without wifi, basically to read | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 04:57 |
| elb | fantastic | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | 10 hours | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Low backlight, reading. | 04:58 |
| elb | I intend to do a lot of that | 04:58 |
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| elb | and I hope to be able to take advantage of the transflective display | 04:58 |
| elb | to cut the backlight entirely | 04:58 |
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| elb | assuming I can ever actually order my device ;-) | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, I prefer backlight level 1 without any other lights on. | 04:58 |
| [1]a-l-p-h-a | LinuxCode, power plugged in causes no sound. | 04:59 |
| elb | well, we'll see what I prefer when the device actually arrives | 04:59 |
| Xamusk | by the way, I've read that n8x0 won't charge by the usb cable | 04:59 |
| Xamusk | is this real? | 04:59 |
| elb | like I said, I'm *hoping* to be happy with reflected light | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think the transflective is gonna cut it without sun-level lighting. | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xamusk, yes. | 04:59 |
| Xamusk | damn | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | For a variety of reasons | 05:00 |
| Xamusk | I guess 5v isn't enough then | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm blaming: slow charging off USB (500mA versus 860mA from wallwart), expense for Nokia of making another charger type, and the host-mode/OTG support of the port. | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5v is | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | But voltage isn't the only factor. :) | 05:01 |
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| jott | elb: under normal conditions you're out of luck reading without backlight.. (atleast if you want to read comfortable) | 05:01 |
| pupnik | Someone could make an aftermarket rear case panel with a bulge in it, and a custom battery, i suppose | 05:02 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: do you know if there's an external charger for the BP-4L battery? | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:03 |
| ryoohki | n8x0 won't charge by the usb cable?! | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | My external chargers are my two 770s. :P | 05:03 |
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| LinuxCode | haha that was mean of me | 05:03 |
| LinuxCode | I have bought these whiskas Temptations | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | ryoohki, just buy yourself a USB-to-barrel plug adaptor for $12 | 05:04 |
| LinuxCode | so i took one and let the cat sniff it and he was on my lap | 05:04 |
| LinuxCode | then i put it in the bown on the floor | 05:04 |
| LinuxCode | and he was looking at it | 05:04 |
| LinuxCode | and going hmmm | 05:04 |
| ryoohki | GeneralAntilles: yeah, i've seen those but usb is less than 500ma | 05:04 |
| LinuxCode | what to do... | 05:04 |
| LinuxCode | so he got up just to eat the one | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll charge | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | just much more slowly than the wallwart | 05:04 |
| LinuxCode | wallwart ? | 05:05 |
| LinuxCode | standard charger ? | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | the car charger is about 380mA | 05:05 |
| elb | I wonder how the efficiency compares | 05:05 |
| elb | wallwarts are notorious for leaking energy ... I wonder if a laptop powering its USB port is more or less efficient ;-) | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh, output is 860mA. | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | and a laptop is about the least efficient DC transformer ever created. | 05:06 |
| elb | what does "Uh, output is 860mA" mean? | 05:06 |
| elb | and yes -- but my laptop is already on and running | 05:06 |
| elb | if it weren't being used, that would be a reasonable conclusion, but it is | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | The wallwart outputs 860mA, it seemed like you were implying that that's what it was taking in or something. | 05:07 |
| elb | what I was not only implying, but *saying*, is that wall warts often draw *much* more power than they provide | 05:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The Nokia chargers are usually quite good. | 05:08 |
| elb | as in, a 5w output wall wart might actually draw 10-15w, and often draw multiple watts even when the device is not plugged in | 05:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mine barely get warm to the touch while charging. | 05:08 |
| elb | that's a good sign | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia chargers also switch off when not in use. | 05:09 |
| dospod | is kde worth putting on my n800 | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd set up a dual-boot. | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I don't think it's particularly well suited for the device. | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your mileage may vary. | 05:09 |
| dospod | idk | 05:09 |
| dospod | i just dont like like of apps it seems for maemo | 05:09 |
| dospod | like lack * | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quantity != Quality | 05:11 |
| petergunn | plenty kde apps but I never seem to need any of them | 05:11 |
| petergunn | aparte from Kolf and that daoesnt work great with the touchscreen | 05:11 |
| dospod | the quality of the emulators on the n800 aint pretty either lol | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not a gaming machine. | 05:12 |
| Xamusk | well, I want to use python :D | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want emu, shoulda gotten a PSP. | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xamusk, Python and Ruby are both well supported. | 05:12 |
| petergunn | im getting more and more convinced that the n800's main use if for Linux geeks to spend all their time configuring and reconfiguring it | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the main use for normal users is to use it. Your point? | 05:13 |
| petergunn | Im still not convinced what its primary purpose is | 05:13 |
| dospod | I relize thats not its main attention but the fact I cant play pole position in xmaeme is sad lol | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia tells you on the box | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Browse the internet, check e-mail, play media. | 05:14 |
| dospod | and lack of p2p is sadening | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | SIP, Skype | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | IM | 05:14 |
| Xamusk | GeneralAntilles, is it easy to program to maemo's UI? | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's GTK | 05:14 |
| Xamusk | it doesn't look like gtk | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bittorrent? Both ctorrent and transmission are available. | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, p2p is kinda stupid on a device like this. | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | (although it would make an interesting low-power bittorrent client) | 05:15 |
| dospod | I got bittorent im thinking more of gtk gnuella and a hildonized version or something | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Matchbox/Hildon | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it's basically GTK | 05:16 |
| LinuxCode | petergunn, the reason why linux "geeks" use this thing is because we can compile what we want..how we want it ...for this thing | 05:16 |
| LinuxCode | I love that | 05:16 |
| LinuxCode | better than fighting with mr jobs about locking everything down | 05:17 |
| Xamusk | it doesn't look like it can load glade... but it could just be a very good theme | 05:17 |
| LinuxCode | and acting like MS did and does | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | petergunn, do you own one? | 05:17 |
| LinuxCode | and its a great device.. | 05:17 |
| * LinuxCode recalls his jornada 710 | 05:17 | |
| petergunn | ya, wife got me an n800 for Xmas | 05:17 |
| LinuxCode | wince that was the biggest pile of shit ever | 05:18 |
| Xamusk | I've seen an app called FBreader that just looks amazing | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is amazing | 05:18 |
| Xamusk | remembers me of plucker for palm | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html | 05:18 |
| LinuxCode | yeh I can read my chms | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | 225dpi is amazing for reading books. | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | petergunn, this IS primarily a development channel, so the views here are a little skewed. | 05:18 |
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| petergunn | lolz - so configuring/reconfiguring and installing etc isnt related to dev? | 05:19 |
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| Xamusk | he meant that almost everyone here is used to that | 05:20 |
| petergunn | Im sure :-) | 05:21 |
| dospod | hmm im kinda disappointed in the n800 | 05:21 |
| dospod | I guess i thought hey its linux it should be swarming with apps for everything | 05:21 |
| LinuxCode | dospod, it kind of is | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seriously. | 05:21 |
| LinuxCode | however... | 05:21 |
| LinuxCode | actually no however | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | dospod, if you want something | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | port it | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the beauty of open source | 05:22 |
| dospod | I do not code | 05:22 |
| petergunn | You just have to configure/reconfigure/install/patch/recompile/fix/port/etc | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | you're not beholded to anybody | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/beholded/beholden/ | 05:22 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: you're not beholden to anybody | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | 99% of console stuff is just a recompile away | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | The GUI stuff is pretty straight forward, too. | 05:23 |
| dospod | oh hey is phonelink finally working on os 2008 | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | dospod, it's the golden opportunity to learn. | 05:23 |
| dospod | i saw gnokii is instalable finally | 05:23 |
| LinuxCode | it runs | 05:23 |
| LinuxCode | havent tested | 05:23 |
| LinuxCode | my P800 is a tad iffy | 05:23 |
| LinuxCode | yes thats a P | 05:24 |
| LinuxCode | not a N | 05:24 |
| LinuxCode | P800 = moile | 05:24 |
| petergunn | X11 stuff compiles fine but you have to patch Hildon input and matchbox messes with all the dialogs | 05:24 |
| LinuxCode | mobile | 05:24 |
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| dospod | phone liknk is something that intrests me alot | 05:25 |
| proteous | what is phone line? | 05:27 |
| proteous | er, link | 05:27 |
| dospod | it allows u to make calls and sms off ur phone on the n8x0 via bt | 05:27 |
| proteous | ah | 05:27 |
| dospod | that would be pretty sweet if i can get it to work/ learn to configure it | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | side talkin' | 05:28 |
| dospod | GeneralAntilles have u gotten phone link to work | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't have a use for it. | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | my phone is a better phone than my N800 | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I don't use SMS | 05:28 |
| dospod | I hate my phone | 05:28 |
| dospod | i dont use sms either but i hate my phone | 05:29 |
| dospod | the less i have to see it the better | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | (well, actually, the only two people I know who send me SMS are my parents) | 05:29 |
| proteous | I just got a pantech c150 phone that I'm pretty happy with | 05:31 |
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| proteous | supports bluetooth DUN and file transfer with my 770 | 05:31 |
| jott | someone tried to use selfone on a n8x0? | 05:32 |
| proteous | small enough that I can carry both of them without it being annoying | 05:32 |
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| Xamusk | where can I find maps for the n810? | 05:32 |
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| jott | (quick googling revealed the idea i just had is already implemented to some degree ;-) | 05:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do you mean, Xamusk? | 05:33 |
| dospod | I got a samsung upstage :\ | 05:33 |
| LinuxCode | wayfinder maps ? | 05:33 |
| Xamusk | yes | 05:34 |
| Xamusk | to use with the gps | 05:34 |
| LinuxCode | not sure n800 can | 05:34 |
| Xamusk | n800 doesn't have gps | 05:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | It can | 05:34 |
| dospod | n800 can if u got a bt gps reciever | 05:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | But what do you mean by "find"? | 05:34 |
| LinuxCode | Xamusk, exactly | 05:34 |
| Xamusk | I meant for the n810 | 05:34 |
| LinuxCode | open maps | 05:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | The "Map" maps are downloaded by the application | 05:34 |
| LinuxCode | download them | 05:34 |
| Xamusk | find as download | 05:34 |
| LinuxCode | free to download | 05:35 |
| Xamusk | are they only US maps? | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper uses anything from Open Street to Google and Virtual Earth | 05:35 |
| LinuxCode | no | 05:35 |
| LinuxCode | worldwide | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Upstage! | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | My friend's younger brother has that phone | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | it's such a joke. | 05:35 |
| dospod | it is | 05:35 |
| dospod | indeed | 05:35 |
| dospod | was cool for like 3 weeks | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got an SGH-A717 that I love. | 05:35 |
| LinuxCode | maemo mapper sounds cool | 05:35 |
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| * LinuxCode is intruiged | 05:36 | |
| * LinuxCode installs | 05:36 | |
| dospod | then everyone bought it and then it got rather annoying with the thouch sensative buttons on the back side | 05:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper is the greatest GPS application known to man. | 05:37 |
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| Xamusk | that good? | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not great for turn-by-turn | 05:38 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, where do i get the google maps from ? | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://lonelyfridge.com/project_files/redline/z06/corvette_z06_1.1beta.zip | 05:40 |
| Xamusk | how do I tell it to download the map for a location? | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | crap | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4958 | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | My pasting was faster than the clipbboard. ;) | 05:40 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper or "Map"? | 05:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | See my posts on that page. | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's for 1.x, but it still applies. | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Covers both LinuxCode's and Xamusk's questions. | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: check the app's built-in help (what, built-in help?!) | 05:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's really, really good. | 05:42 |
| dick-richardson | so, i'm working on a script that I would call remotely if my n810 is stolen. the best way i can think of to render the device useless is 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mtdblock4'...anyone else have a different method they're using? | 05:42 |
| dick-richardson | I don't suppose truecrypt has been ported...? | 05:43 |
| Tama^2 | isn't it better to let it work and be able to trace it? | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | You need three things: a phone-home with its current IP on every new connection, a GPS location, and a picture | 05:44 |
| Tama^2 | lol | 05:44 |
| Tama^2 | so you know who to curse | 05:45 |
| dick-richardson | the ip is easy, I'm already doing that...and it vpn's into my home network (hence my ability to run scripts remotely) | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | and where to send the cops. | 05:45 |
| Tama^2 | the picture is of utmost importance | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | GPS makes it really easy. | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: capture all of their outgoing data so you can get their CC info and such. :P | 05:46 |
| LinuxCode | bahah | 05:46 |
| Tama^2 | stealing a device that has both a serial number and a gps is idiotic | 05:46 |
| LinuxCode | that would make a great app! | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | As a final step, make sure to package it all up and distribute it. ;) | 05:46 |
| LinuxCode | I want that app! | 05:46 |
| Zetx | chances are they'd be using stolen cc's too :\ | 05:46 |
| LinuxCode | if you make one I will donate | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rendering it useless is a bad plan | 05:46 |
| LinuxCode | yeh trace it | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | as it makes it much harder to find | 05:46 |
| LinuxCode | get the fucking bastid | 05:46 |
| Zetx | lol I actually suggested this for the dev discount thing, but I don't think nokia was too thrilled with the idea of 'supporting' a big brother program, i dunno | 05:46 |
| LinuxCode | and get him donw for it | 05:46 |
| LinuxCode | done* | 05:47 |
| Zetx | Yeah, you'd want to device to be 'usable' to the pepole for as long as possible to recover it | 05:47 |
| LinuxCode | nsty surprise when the door is knocked down | 05:47 |
| dick-richardson | how do you access the gps from the command line? | 05:47 |
| LinuxCode | and he doesnt know shit | 05:47 |
| LinuxCode | how he was found out | 05:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Set it up with SIP, have it dial the police, play a recording with the current lat/long, and tell them to expect an e-mail with a picture. | 05:47 |
| LinuxCode | coppers will be pleased too | 05:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | gpsd, dick-richardson. | 05:47 |
| Zetx | XD | 05:47 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, bahah | 05:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | flite | 05:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it'll read off the coordinates | 05:48 |
| LinuxCode | I have been stolen | 05:48 |
| dick-richardson | GeneralAntilles: nice :D | 05:48 |
| LinuxCode | I am at : 31.1 degrees north | 05:48 |
| LinuxCode | -36 degrees south | 05:48 |
| LinuxCode | ehh east | 05:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, better yet, have it dial 911 and say there's an armed robbery in progress at its location. | 05:48 |
| LinuxCode | please retrieve me now | 05:48 |
| LinuxCode | bahah | 05:48 |
| Tama^2 | lol | 05:48 |
| Tama^2 | hostage situation is even better | 05:48 |
| LinuxCode | this is a automated message: This nuclear material container was stolen | 05:48 |
| Zetx | does SIP work with emergency calls? :p | 05:49 |
| LinuxCode | its current position is...blah blah | 05:49 |
| LinuxCode | the container contains plutonium | 05:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then have it connect to any Windows PCs in the house have it download gigs and gigs of movies, music and child porn. | 05:49 |
| LinuxCode | that would get them coppers going | 05:49 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, hahah | 05:49 |
| LinuxCode | evil! | 05:49 |
| LinuxCode | that might backfire though | 05:49 |
| LinuxCode | although excellent idea.. | 05:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | You need it in virus form. | 05:50 |
| LinuxCode | get the fucker done for anything one can think of | 05:50 |
| LinuxCode | make him go to prison for 100 million years | 05:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then have it activate a servo motor which shorts the battery and burns down his house. | 05:50 |
| LinuxCode | one guy in uni tried to steal my ipod | 05:50 |
| LinuxCode | I worked with him for 4 months! | 05:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 05:50 |
| LinuxCode | and still had to work with him for 2-3 | 05:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Awesome. | 05:51 |
| LinuxCode | what a bastard | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | awkward | 05:51 |
| Zetx | thieves are just lowly :| | 05:51 |
| LinuxCode | I dont take shit of people though | 05:51 |
| LinuxCode | I searched his bag | 05:51 |
| LinuxCode | found my ink drenched cable | 05:51 |
| LinuxCode | which does not come with ipod itself | 05:51 |
| LinuxCode | so he had to give it back | 05:51 |
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| LinuxCode | I didnt report him...because he was the only guy on the project who could do VB | 05:52 |
| LinuxCode | I hate VB | 05:52 |
| LinuxCode | I dont want to go near it | 05:52 |
| LinuxCode | also the only other guy doing work on the project ;-| | 05:52 |
| LinuxCode | 1 guy dropped out | 05:52 |
| LinuxCode | 1 guy was useless | 05:52 |
| LinuxCode | then us two | 05:52 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | VisiualBasic programmers are thieves! | 05:52 |
| LinuxCode | vb is just gay | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Best argument I've ever heard against a language. | 05:52 |
| LinuxCode | and thats an offence to the gay community | 05:53 |
| Zetx | VB makes thieves of us all | 05:53 |
| LinuxCode | [03:52] GeneralAntilles VisiualBasic programmers are thieves! | 05:53 |
| LinuxCode | quite applivable in my case mate | 05:53 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 05:53 |
| dick-richardson | I had VB, but the doc gave me some medication and it cleared up | 05:53 |
| LinuxCode | dick-richardson, hahaha | 05:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | dick-richardson, install a keylogger in there, too. | 05:54 |
| dick-richardson | you know, I'm still trying to figure out how to call gpsd from the command line | 05:54 |
| dick-richardson | gpsd: can't run with neither control socket nor devices | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, if it's in your VPN, you can probably track it actively | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | since gpsd is a network thing. | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure how to start it, though. | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe poll their forums/mailing lists/channels? | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | #gpsd | 05:56 |
| dick-richardson | sounds good :D | 05:57 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, awesome | 05:57 |
| LinuxCode | dick-richardson, you gon hack something up mate ? | 05:57 |
| dick-richardson | yeah, but with the vpn being a pre-req I'm not sure how useful it'll be to the general user | 05:58 |
| LinuxCode | well...if its too accessible | 05:58 |
| LinuxCode | the thief will know | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Obviously you're going to have to make a non-VPN mode. ;) | 05:58 |
| LinuxCode | it will have to be some hidden thing | 05:58 |
| LinuxCode | yeh | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | VPN mode for active tracking and non-VPN for burst reporting? | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Will capture the lat/long itself when on non-VPN and send them out in an e-mail/phonecall/IM, etc. | 05:59 |
| LinuxCode | I wonder if the kernel is compiled with ipv6 support | 05:59 |
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| Xamusk | GeneralAntilles, I liked the bluetooth gps | 06:01 |
| LinuxCode | it doesnt ;-[ | 06:02 |
| Xamusk | GeneralAntilles, actually, it's cheaper to buy an n800 and the gps separated | 06:02 |
| Xamusk | too bad the n800 doesn't come with the keyboard too, but then it comes with a full-sd slot :) | 06:03 |
| Xamusk | do you know if I can build custom electronics for the N8x0? | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howso? | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth GPS with the N800 is great | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | the BT units are so much more accurate than the N810's | 06:08 |
| Xamusk | :) | 06:08 |
| Xamusk | maybe here's my solution :) pretty cheaper | 06:08 |
| dick-richardson | and a LOT quicker to lock | 06:09 |
| Xamusk | sadly it doesn't have the keyboard :( | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | 30s versus 4 minutes | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | The fullscreen keyboard is actually quite good | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I do 40wpm on it. | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | You just have to get a feel for it. | 06:09 |
| Xamusk | but then, one can't complain when in low budget | 06:09 |
| Xamusk | I just hope I can get both to my country | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where are you? | 06:10 |
| Xamusk | Brazil | 06:10 |
| dick-richardson | Can someone in the US send you one? | 06:11 |
| Xamusk | maybe | 06:12 |
| Xamusk | I'll try to contact some friends' friends | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that'll probably be worthwhile. | 06:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | N800, i-blue 737, iGo Stowaway, 2x8-18GB SDHC. You'll be set. | 06:13 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, you will be happy to know | 06:13 |
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| LinuxCode | it can autodownload maps | 06:13 |
| LinuxCode | ;-D | 06:13 |
| LinuxCode | maemo mapper | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course it can. | 06:13 |
| LinuxCode | awesome | 06:13 |
| dospod | haha wow | 06:20 |
| dospod | my mom bought me a outerwear coat from abercrombie and fitch | 06:20 |
| dospod | and its freakin huge | 06:20 |
| dospod | i look like an eskamo | 06:20 |
| dospod | and i live in south texas | 06:20 |
| LinuxCode | one word | 06:21 |
| LinuxCode | ebay | 06:21 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 06:21 |
| Xamusk | hehehe | 06:21 |
| dospod | hell no i like it even though its freakin huge | 06:22 |
| dospod | lol | 06:22 |
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| Xamusk | gotta go | 06:23 |
| dick-richardson | well, i'm gonna stop off at the local bar myself | 06:23 |
| Xamusk | it's quite late here now :( | 06:23 |
| Xamusk | see ya | 06:23 |
| LinuxCode | bye | 06:24 |
| LinuxCode | 4:30 am here | 06:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I just aliased "ssh root@192.168.1.201" (my N800) to "sshit" | 06:42 |
| dospod | hehe i look like an eskamo | 06:43 |
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| LinuxCode | hey john ;-] | 06:59 |
| johnx | hey | 07:00 |
| LinuxCode | how ya doing ? | 07:00 |
| johnx | pretty good | 07:00 |
| LinuxCode | cool ;-] | 07:00 |
| johnx | trying to hack some of the maemo/hildon stuff into debian/armel with very blunt methods | 07:01 |
| johnx | some progress, but Nokia seems to have entirely disregarded debian package names | 07:01 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 07:02 |
| LinuxCode | that will cause all sorts of issues | 07:02 |
| LinuxCode | i hate it when people do that woth rpms too | 07:03 |
| johnx | it's ok, I found a great little tool called equivs that lets me tell horrible lies to the debian packaging system | 07:03 |
| johnx | and a good chunk of the stuff is already in debian via the "pkg-maemo" project on alioth.debian.org | 07:03 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 07:06 |
| LinuxCode | horrible lies | 07:06 |
| LinuxCode | ;-] | 07:06 |
| rm_you | johnx: interesting notes in the a2dp thread recently :) | 07:07 |
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| EruditeH1rmit | hey, I recently bought an n800 and I found that the headphones are different lengths. Is it supposed to be like that? | 07:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 07:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get a real set of earbuds. ;) | 07:09 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:09 |
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| EruditeH1rmit | why do they do that? | 07:09 |
| Zetx | put the longer one around your neck then it'll reach the other side just fine :p | 07:10 |
| hahlo | rubber boot factory, they got lot of rubber knowledge | 07:10 |
| LinuxCode | so the microphone stays closer to your mouth | 07:10 |
| LinuxCode | cookie! | 07:11 |
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| LinuxCode | ;-} | 07:14 |
| EruditeH1rmit | hmm | 07:14 |
| EruditeH1rmit | it seems that it would stay there anyway | 07:14 |
| EruditeH1rmit | since I have it looped to make them even | 07:15 |
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| penguinbait | I can now right click | 07:23 |
| penguinbait | woo hoo | 07:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The hand surgery went well, then? :P | 07:23 |
| penguinbait | hehe | 07:23 |
| penguinbait | nope using xmodmap | 07:23 |
| penguinbait | I hav keyboard shortcut | 07:24 |
| penguinbait | ctrl-z | 07:24 |
| penguinbait | turns on and offf | 07:24 |
| penguinbait | I am giddy | 07:24 |
| penguinbait | I got my 810 today | 07:24 |
| LinuxCode | nice innit ;-] | 07:25 |
| penguinbait | may not be usefull in maemo, but very helpful in KDE | 07:25 |
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| johnx | augh, I have created a dependency hell for myself | 07:29 |
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| johnx | ah, dependency hell caused largely by trying to track debian unstable :/ | 07:57 |
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| LinuxCode | nokia sells a usb charger | 08:01 |
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| LinuxCode | nokia power pack..interesting | 08:02 |
| Annon201 | :( is there any to reset root pwd on 770 without reflashing? | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try installing becomeroot? | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | sudo gainroot | 08:03 |
| Annon201 | lets see | 08:06 |
| Annon201 | woah, thats cool | 08:07 |
| rm_you | still no response on the maemo dev mailing list :/ | 08:08 |
| Annon201 | no more ~ $ ssh root@localhost for me | 08:08 |
| rm_you | my thread is buried now at this point | 08:08 |
| rm_you | i wonder if it would be rude to repost? >_> | 08:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | SPAM IT EVERYWHERE! | 08:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | CC *@nokia.com | 08:09 |
| Annon201 | yaaaay~~ | 08:10 |
| LinuxCode | whats that ? | 08:10 |
| rm_you | lol\ | 08:10 |
| LinuxCode | root pass ? | 08:11 |
| rm_you | mmmm... it's good to be back on a linux system tho :) | 08:11 |
| rm_you | running debian now | 08:11 |
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| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, what is that: CC *@nokia.com | 08:14 |
| LinuxCode | @? | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Carbon Copy every e-mail address at nokia.com? | 08:14 |
| johnx | meaning "send it to everyone who has an @nokia.com email | 08:14 |
| LinuxCode | lool | 08:14 |
| LinuxCode | k | 08:14 |
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| rm_you | maybe if i post it as a bug on maemo? | 08:15 |
| rm_you | either: A) it will be accepted and fixed (err?) or else they will have to explain WHY it isn't a bug, by showing how it is actually possible :P | 08:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | or they'll ignore it. | 08:16 |
| rm_you | or much more likely, that. >_> | 08:16 |
| rm_you | option C is depressing. | 08:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can mark it as NEW. :P | 08:16 |
| rm_you | lol :P | 08:16 |
| johnx | let me check how they do it for the little backlight app on the zaurus. That's in gtk | 08:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be sure to use "fuck" a lot. | 08:17 |
| rm_you | lol | 08:17 |
| rm_you | johnx: mmm interesting. if that is a GtkScale, I could use that knowledge :P | 08:17 |
| rm_you | i was unaware they had anything that similar looking on the zaurus :) | 08:17 |
| rm_you | johnx: just link me to the code for that? | 08:18 |
| johnx | rm_you, digging it up | 08:18 |
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| johnx | rm_you, couldn't find the backlight but the volume is the same look: http://matchbox-project.org/sources/mb-applet-volume/0.2/ | 08:20 |
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| rm_you | johnx: GtkAdjustment? >_> hrm, sec | 08:25 |
| rm_you | i guess that is a scale... | 08:25 |
| johnx | don't they do it in a popup not a menu though? | 08:25 |
| rm_you | looking | 08:25 |
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| rm_you | trying to read and comprehend the entire thing, not just skim | 08:26 |
| rm_you | well, the whole popup_init function, that is | 08:26 |
| rm_you | not the rest | 08:26 |
| rm_you | that *IS* interesting... | 08:26 |
| rm_you | "slider_window = gtk_window_new (GTK_WINDOW_POPUP);" | 08:26 |
| rm_you | let me test something | 08:26 |
| rm_you | wow, if it's that simple... | 08:28 |
| inz | I though I told you that you cannot use it in a menu? | 08:28 |
| johnx | inz, he's stubborn :P | 08:28 |
| rm_you | inz: I know you did | 08:28 |
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| rm_you | inz: and my question DID say "Am I going about this wrong? Does the backlight app use something besides a GtkMenu when clicked? " in my post :P and "menu" was in quotes | 08:29 |
| rm_you | if this works... | 08:29 |
| johnx | on the bright side, I'm learning lots about debian package management... | 08:33 |
| rm_you | well... it sorta works | 08:33 |
| rm_you | it's still not the same as the brightness app | 08:33 |
| johnx | yay! halfway solutions! | 08:33 |
| rm_you | but it accomplishes close to the same thing | 08:33 |
| rm_you | as soon as i figure out how to tweak it | 08:33 |
| rm_you | i was really hoping to get to bed early tonight | 08:33 |
| rm_you | ah well | 08:33 |
| johnx | heh | 08:33 |
| rm_you | 3 hours of sleep (maybe?) for me :) | 08:33 |
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| johnx | no rest for the weary | 08:34 |
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| cesman | can anyone recommend a PIM foe os2008? | 08:40 |
| johnx | GPE? | 08:40 |
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| cesman | johnx: thanks | 08:46 |
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| hachi | anyone know ohw I can get that "Multiple mail messages" notification to actually open modest instead of entourage? | 08:52 |
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| johnx | by, entourage do you mean the built in mail client? | 08:53 |
| rm_you | can't figure out how to make this window MOVE >_< | 08:56 |
| johnx | you mean how to draw it at an arbitrary location? | 08:57 |
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| rm_you | yes | 08:58 |
| rm_you | ah maybe got it | 08:58 |
| rm_you | HA | 08:58 |
| rm_you | i was using gdk_window_move, need to use gtk_window_move | 08:59 |
| rm_you | i'm still not sure what the difference between gdk and gtk is | 08:59 |
| rm_you | but whatever | 08:59 |
| LinuxCode | gnome toolkit ? | 08:59 |
| LinuxCode | gnome developers kit ?!? | 09:00 |
| LinuxCode | maybe | 09:00 |
| johnx | gdk is the gimp drawing kit that gtk (gimp tool kit) uses to draw things | 09:00 |
| rm_you | now the problem is finding out where the button IS on the screen | 09:01 |
| rm_you | so i can move the popup to the right place | 09:01 |
| oil | hi, can I cat an wav file to some audio pipe sot that it would play on n810? | 09:01 |
| oil | eg. cat ui-wrong_charger.wav >> /dev/audio or similar | 09:02 |
| johnx | oil, gst-launch playbin uri=file:///path/to/file.wav maybe | 09:02 |
| johnx | you might not have gst-launch | 09:03 |
| oil | johnx: I don't have that one. | 09:03 |
| johnx | it's in this package: gstreamer0.10-tools | 09:03 |
| johnx | There might be a simpler way... | 09:03 |
| oil | without gst-launch it's not possible to do? | 09:03 |
| johnx | I just don't know it | 09:03 |
| johnx | hmm | 09:04 |
| johnx | try play-sound :) | 09:04 |
| ds3 | the mail program sure eats into the battery life :( | 09:05 |
| oil | ah.. pure play-sound works fine! thanks :) | 09:05 |
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| rm_you | now if only i could figure out how to give this popup a border... | 09:10 |
| inz | rm, the position can be computed using the allocation of the button and it's GdkWindow's position | 09:11 |
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| inz | rm, something like this: http://maemo-hackers.org/browser/osso-statusbar-cpu/trunk/src/common.c#L109 | 09:11 |
| rm_you | inz: lol | 09:12 |
| rm_you | inz: i'm actually using that applet as a base... or was... the popup_place function is actually *IN* an old version of my code | 09:12 |
| rm_you | the problem is, they get the position of the button from some gpointer it gets passed as part of the click event | 09:13 |
| rm_you | and i can't figure out how to get that | 09:13 |
| rm_you | err, rather, as part of the "menu_popup" event | 09:13 |
| rm_you | it appears to just be a pointer to the button... but i can't get the right data out of it :/ | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do it correctly, then. | 09:15 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:15 |
| inz | rm_you, yeah, it's just a pointer to the button instance | 09:15 |
| rm_you | gdk_window_get_position(button->window, x, y); | 09:15 |
| rm_you | but when *I* do it, it says the button has no "window" thing | 09:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It seems really sad to me that this isn't documented at all. | 09:16 |
| inz | It must be a GtkWidget to have a window | 09:16 |
| inz | So GTK_WIDGET(button)->window should work | 09:16 |
| rm_you | BLEGH | 09:16 |
| inz | Remember, this is C, object stuff is done via hacks | 09:18 |
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| rm_you | >_> | 09:20 |
| rm_you | annoying | 09:20 |
| rm_you | still getting: advanced-backlight.c:128: warning: passing arg 1 of `gdk_window_get_position' makes pointer from integer without a cast | 09:21 |
| rm_you | think that'll be a problem? >_> i do | 09:21 |
| rm_you | gdk_window_get_position(GTK_WIDGET(button)>window, &x, &y); | 09:21 |
| inz | You're missing a dash | 09:22 |
| rm_you | ACK | 09:22 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:22 |
| rm_you | *hate* | 09:22 |
| inz | The result of a comparison is always an integer | 09:22 |
| rm_you | typo >_> | 09:22 |
| inz | In C that is, in other languages it might be a boolean | 09:22 |
| rm_you | SWEET! | 09:24 |
| inz | For the border/theming thing, you might want to check the gtkrc-files | 09:24 |
| rm_you | if only this had a nice border, this would be perfect | 09:24 |
| rm_you | thanks johnx, inz! :P | 09:24 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:24 |
| rm_you | nice | 09:24 |
| rm_you | you read my thoughts (though i guess i mentioned that before) | 09:24 |
| inz | You might have, but I have not seen it | 09:25 |
| inz | You could also run strings on the plugins, but that might have too much info, if you don't know what you're looking for | 09:25 |
| rm_you | err, not about how, just the question :P | 09:25 |
| rm_you | yeah, i've done stuff like that before... maybe :/ | 09:25 |
| inz | Ahh, the question you did mention | 09:25 |
| rm_you | but yeah, not quite sure what i'd be looking for | 09:26 |
| rm_you | still perusing the gtk/gdk API... | 09:26 |
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| inz | IIRC the home applet theming stuff is done using named widgets (gtk_widget_set_name), this might be something similar | 09:26 |
| rm_you | i'm using an hbox + vbox to add padding to the thing so it looks decent... | 09:26 |
| inz | Or rather was done, nowadays they come in all shapes and colors ;) | 09:27 |
| rm_you | hrm | 09:27 |
| rm_you | i guess menus ARE a popup type window | 09:27 |
| rm_you | so maybe i can figure out what a menu adds | 09:28 |
| inz | You could try something like: strings <library> | while read i; do grep -q "$i" gtkrc* && echo $i; done | 09:33 |
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| truent | how do i open a term or install a terminal that will affect an exported scratchbox gui? | 09:46 |
| rm_you | advanced-backlight.c:198: warning: implicit declaration of function `system' | 09:47 |
| rm_you | how would i make it shut up about that? like... by fixing the code, not by disabling warnings :P | 09:47 |
| inz | Preferred solution: don't use system() | 09:48 |
| rm_you | :( | 09:48 |
| truent | yeah dont make a system() function | 09:48 |
| rm_you | what... execv? >_> | 09:48 |
| inz | g_spawn_* are nice | 09:48 |
| inz | If you really want to use system, #include <stdlib.h> | 09:48 |
| rm_you | lol wow... never heard of that. i'll look it up. | 09:48 |
| inz | But you don't | 09:48 |
| rm_you | ... i just want to run a program that already exists >_> | 09:48 |
| rm_you | system isn't a good way to do that? | 09:48 |
| inz | not really, no | 09:49 |
| rm_you | >_> | 09:49 |
| rm_you | k, i will look up g_spawn | 09:49 |
| inz | Especially you don't want to do it from a desktop plugin | 09:49 |
| rm_you | reasoning? | 09:49 |
| inz | man system: ...and returns after the command has been completed. | 09:49 |
| rm_you | that's bad? | 09:50 |
| rm_you | >_> | 09:50 |
| inz | while the command is running, desktop won't do anything | 09:50 |
| inz | at all | 09:50 |
| rm_you | you can tell i know like, nothing about C <_< | 09:50 |
| truent | pretty much the same for most other languages too | 09:50 |
| truent | common function | 09:50 |
| inz | It's not really C knowledge, but rather GLib knowledge here | 09:50 |
| rm_you | I use java mostly :/ | 09:50 |
| truent | hmm, i have something i wanna run but need to run by command line in scratchbox.. i want it to appear on the 'exported' gui in xephyr? | 09:51 |
| inz | <alarm bells>A java coder doing an desktop applet</alarm bells> | 09:51 |
| inz | Java coder + C ~= memory leak | 09:52 |
| inz | Memory leak in a software that is constantly running = not nice | 09:52 |
| rm_you | yeah... see: http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/CrossTalk/2008/01/0801DewarSchonberg.html | 09:52 |
| truent | inz, ~=? | 09:52 |
| rm_you | inz: lol... i had someone check it over who IS a C coder :P no leaks | 09:52 |
| rm_you | approximately equal | 09:52 |
| truent | ehhe | 09:53 |
| inz | I know it's in UTF-8, there's just no keybind for it | 09:53 |
| inz | So ~= ~= approximately equal | 09:53 |
| inz | ^^ | 09:53 |
| rm_you | ^_^ | 09:53 |
| truent | yeah i remember from school.. | 09:54 |
| truent | i guess =~ just engrained itself in me | 09:54 |
| truent | ~= looks wrong | 09:54 |
| Zetx | ‽ | 09:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | ≈ | 09:54 |
| truent | nice | 09:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | opt-x | 09:54 |
| proteous | both my cable and my dsl connection decided to stop being able to resolve domain names... | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4.2.2.1 | 09:56 |
| inz | truent, but as ~ is bitwise-not, =~ is assignment of bitwise not | 09:56 |
| inz | But ~= has no meaning, as ~ is an unary operator | 09:57 |
| inz | So it's safer ;) | 09:57 |
| truent | well i think of the regular expression notation in perl/ruby | 09:57 |
| truent | but i read ya | 09:57 |
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| truent | @blah =~ /~=/ | 09:58 |
| truent | ;) | 09:58 |
| inz | I guess perl and ruby don't have binary not | 09:58 |
| inz | Which does make sense | 09:58 |
| truent | ruby has i think just unary | 09:59 |
| truent | cant remember for perl but i'd assume the same-ish | 09:59 |
| inz | You mean boolean not? | 09:59 |
| truent | bitwise operaters at all | 09:59 |
| truent | operators rather | 09:59 |
| truent | ~ is complement | 10:00 |
| truent | welp off to bed | 10:01 |
| inz | You'll have nightmares | 10:01 |
| truent | go learn ruby and have some fun for the n800's sake | 10:02 |
| truent | ;p | 10:02 |
| inz | Someone will try to xor bits off of you | 10:02 |
| rm_you | inz: what do you think... g_spawn_command_line_sync or g_spawn_command_line_async? | 10:02 |
| truent | heh | 10:02 |
| truent | wouldnt doubt it | 10:02 |
| truent | ;p | 10:02 |
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| rm_you | prolly async? | 10:02 |
| truent | rm_you, async you're not waiting i would guess? | 10:02 |
| inz | Of those options, definitely _async | 10:03 |
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| truent | rm_you, ruby for you too.. alot of java guys comin to the lightside | 10:03 |
| truent | g'night | 10:03 |
| truent | ;P | 10:03 |
| inz | rm, If you want to know when the program ends, you need to use some additional magic | 10:03 |
| truent | redside? | 10:03 |
| truent | i dunno | 10:03 |
| rm_you | lol | 10:03 |
| rm_you | I do python mostly if i'm not doing java >_> | 10:04 |
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| GreySim | I don't suppose anyone in here knows how to set up a toolbar shortcut in osso-xterm for "\td" that would work in Vim, do they? | 10:05 |
| rm_you | inz: >_> this doesn't seem to be working at all. *sigh* | 10:06 |
| GreySim | (OS 2007 HE if that matters any, if the OS 2008 xterm is special or something.) | 10:06 |
| * GreySim has tried "<\>,t,d" and "\,t,d" and "\td" and isn't sure what else to try. Perhaps \ just isn't usable? | 10:08 | |
| rm_you | \\ | 10:08 |
| rm_you | probably need to escape the \ ? | 10:08 |
| inz | Grey, the problem is that osso-xterm uses keycodes | 10:09 |
| GreySim | Eeep. Any hints on getting that keycode then? :| | 10:09 |
| inz | Grey, does backslash work | 10:09 |
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| rm_you | inz: system(command); works, g_spawn_command_line_async(command,NULL); doesn't. thoughts? | 10:10 |
| inz | hmm | 10:10 |
| GreySim | inz: Seemingly not. Checking to make sure it's not because of some nmap foolery in my vimrc though. | 10:10 |
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| GreySim | Nope. | 10:12 |
| inz | rm, do you know what g_spawn_command_line_async returns? | 10:12 |
| rm_you | TRUE/FALSE | 10:12 |
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| inz | rm, yeah, know dat, but in your case | 10:13 |
| inz | Grey, it works for me, weird | 10:13 |
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| rm_you | ah, lol | 10:13 |
| rm_you | checking | 10:13 |
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| GreySim | OH | 10:13 |
| inz | Grey, it is case sensitive | 10:13 |
| GreySim | It does. | 10:13 |
| GreySim | I figured it was case sensitive, and you just weren't capitalizing it. :P | 10:13 |
| GreySim | My mistake. Thanks a bunch. | 10:14 |
| inz | Why would I do that ;) | 10:14 |
| inz | Grey, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/gtk+/gdk/gdkkeysyms.h | 10:14 |
| GreySim | Oooh, brilliant. Thanks. | 10:15 |
| rm_you | inz: it is returning true >_> | 10:16 |
| GreySim | Between that, the toolbar, mouse=a in .vimrc, and judicious use of nmap and noremap, Vim on Maemo is a real powerhouse. :D | 10:16 |
| rm_you | inz: so it is succeeding... but the command obviously isn't being run | 10:16 |
| inz | rm, dat be weird | 10:16 |
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| rm_you | inz: "g_spawn_command_line_async("echo working > /home/user/testme.txt", NULL);" doesn't work | 10:23 |
| rm_you | inz: but "g_spawn_command_line_async("touch /home/user/testme.txt", NULL);" does. >_< | 10:23 |
| inz | rm, that's because g_spawn_command_line doesn't run a sh | 10:23 |
| rm_you | what does it run | 10:23 |
| GreySim | Seriously, thanks a ton. With that info, http://hogbaysoftware.com/products/taskpaper_vim is now an acceptable GTD system on Maemo for me. Almost as nice as a GUI app even. I'll try to write up a good through howto on ITT before the end of the weekend. :) | 10:23 |
| inz | rm, the command you give it | 10:23 |
| rm_you | ... | 10:24 |
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| inz | rm, > is a feature of a shell | 10:24 |
| rm_you | ok well, the REAL command is: | 10:24 |
| rm_you | sudo /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/initfs/ dsmetest -l 100 2>> /home/user/dsmelog | 10:24 |
| rm_you | so i guess that fails? >_> | 10:24 |
| inz | rm, yup | 10:25 |
| rm_you | the 2>> obviously does | 10:25 |
| rm_you | but what about just: sudo /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/initfs/ dsmetest -l 100 | 10:25 |
| inz | rm, that should work aight | 10:25 |
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| inz | rm, you can of course explicitly tell it to run sh, like ...("/bin/sh -c 'your command'"...) | 10:26 |
| rm_you | heh yeah | 10:26 |
| rm_you | whatever that is fine | 10:26 |
| rm_you | yay | 10:26 |
| inz | rm, or you could do the stderr handling in your own program, using g_shell_parse_argv and g_spawn_async_with_pipes | 10:27 |
| rm_you | true | 10:27 |
| rm_you | doesnt matter at this point though | 10:28 |
| rm_you | that was purely cruft from prior debugging | 10:28 |
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| rm_you | inz: thanks for the tons of help :) | 10:29 |
| rm_you | now i just need to package this up and release it as a new version :) | 10:30 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: woo :) | 10:30 |
| rm_you | johnx: you around? | 10:30 |
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| rm_you | lol k | 10:31 |
| rm_you | johnx: you said pypackager was the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeasy way to make a deb quick? :P | 10:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Did you win? | 10:31 |
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| inz | rm, only for python | 10:31 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yes | 10:31 |
| rm_you | inz: :( | 10:32 |
| johnx | rm_you, google cdbs dh_make | 10:32 |
| keesj | every project starts with "easy" at the beginning | 10:32 |
| rm_you | hwh | 10:33 |
| rm_you | *heh | 10:33 |
| inz | dh_make is quite ez | 10:33 |
| inz | If you use autotools, it will pretty much work out-of-the-box | 10:33 |
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| keesj | inz: yes, untill it does not work. then you are pretty much in the proccess of understanding all the things that dh_make does | 10:34 |
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| inz | keesj, dh_make doesn't really do all that much | 10:35 |
| inz | keesj, but you need to understand how debhelper works | 10:35 |
| keesj | right, and the order in wich they are called | 10:35 |
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| keesj | I still miss some pieces about when to patch , what a .orig file is supposed to be and the whole workflow :p | 10:36 |
| rm_you | johnx: neat... still lost :) ah well... will just stick with my tar.gz / install.sh for now :) | 10:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a fail. | 10:37 |
| rm_you | <_< | 10:37 |
| keesj | I think the best is to help people creating debs | 10:37 |
| keesj | if (your code in svn) whe help package | 10:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not stumping for a .tar.gz/install.sh :P | 10:37 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: lol | 10:38 |
| inz | keesj, .orig should contain the upstream version of the package source | 10:39 |
| inz | keesj, if there is no upstream version, then you don't need one (and your version number shouldn't have a dash) | 10:39 |
| rm_you | yeah it's mostly the orig and diff stuff that's confusing me... | 10:39 |
| rm_you | there's only one version... and i have it | 10:40 |
| rm_you | err, wrote it | 10:40 |
| keesj | inz and if you want to patch an upstream project where would the change go? | 10:41 |
| inz | keesj, depends | 10:41 |
| inz | keesj, many maintainers prefer stuff that allows you to have multiple patches | 10:42 |
| inz | keesj, in that case, the patches go to debian/patches | 10:42 |
| keesj | yes, I would like to use quilt or similar | 10:42 |
| inz | keesj, Then they should go there | 10:42 |
| inz | keesj, and the debian/ directory will be in the <package>_<upstream version>-<package version>.diff.gz | 10:43 |
| inz | keesj, if using quilt, the .diff.gz should only contain the debian/ -directory, nothing else | 10:43 |
| keesj | inz where did you learn this? | 10:45 |
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| michele_ | 'mornin | 10:45 |
| inz | keesj, by doing it ;) | 10:47 |
| inz | keesj, the debian maintainer's guide should also give you a lot of ths | 10:48 |
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| inz | keesj, but it is so long. I never got to reading it | 10:48 |
| michele_ | man, pyglet on maemo would be pretty cool | 10:48 |
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| michele_ | inz: I think very few people actually read it. most just learn pavlov-style | 10:49 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 10:52 |
| keesj | I have read some of it and it was really a good time investment | 10:53 |
| johnx | re | 10:53 |
| keesj | what I need i a practial aproach :p | 10:53 |
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| rm_you | johnx: wow. maybe it's because of the time, and the fact that i havent slept well in about 4 days now, but i'm still totally lost. i'll try again in the morning | 10:54 |
| johnx | rm_you, ok | 10:55 |
| rm_you | ack, i also have a small paper due in the morning <_< | 10:55 |
| johnx | will talk to you then | 10:55 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: will try packaging it in the morning... meanwhile, if you can't wait, the newest .so is: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight.so | 10:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Looks good, rm_you. | 11:07 |
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| rm_you | This is a very good learning experience >_> | 11:10 |
| rm_you | I think I will be able to write some basic GTK frontend stuff for a normal system now, too... which i've always wanted to be able to do | 11:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any way to make the menu wider? | 11:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | The ticks are stacking up on eachother. | 11:10 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: i think so. I can do that if you want | 11:10 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: how much wider, you think? | 11:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | 128 steps | 11:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3px-ish per step? | 11:11 |
| rm_you | right, but i dont know the pixel size of the side buttons | 11:11 |
| rm_you | that would be huge >_> | 11:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | 50-percent screen width seems kinda excessive. | 11:11 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: it doesn't seem to matter much once you get to the kind of scale it already has... | 11:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 11:12 |
| michele_ | do you really need 128 steps? wouldn't 64 be enough? | 11:12 |
| rm_you | +/- even up to 5 or so brightness doesnt matter except at the very very bottom of the scale | 11:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd be fine with 64 steps if the +/- still did 1-step increments | 11:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah 0/1-6 is really where I want the resolution | 11:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Beyond that it doesn't matter. | 11:13 |
| rm_you | i'll tweak it some tomorrow | 11:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sleeeeep. :P | 11:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | michele_, the backlight has 128 steps. | 11:13 |
| rm_you | michele_: that's Nokia thinking right there :P | 11:14 |
| michele_ | I meant in the UI | 11:14 |
| rm_you | right... | 11:14 |
| michele_ | if the hw allows it, it doesn't mean you have to display it | 11:14 |
| rm_you | it starts with just one concession... "well, they don't actually need all 128, just 64.." | 11:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, like I said, if I can increment by 1 with the buttons. . . . | 11:14 |
| rm_you | then "well, 64 is a bit much, maybe just 32..." | 11:14 |
| LoCusF | any news on evince text selection feature? | 11:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have each tick represent two levels. | 11:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming that's doable. | 11:15 |
| rm_you | michele_: next thing you know, it's down to 5 levels >_> | 11:15 |
| rm_you | lol | 11:15 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: it's just pixel-magic | 11:15 |
| rm_you | if i size it such that it is exactly 64 pixels for the slider part, that will just "be". | 11:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can you change it to a volume-style slider? | 11:16 |
| rm_you | it may be off by a couple, such that the odd pixel or three is its own one | 11:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rather than a tick-style slider. | 11:16 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yes but not really? i think | 11:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 11:16 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: i believe the volume thing does some very specific things | 11:16 |
| rm_you | yes... | 11:16 |
| rm_you | like, for instance, includes a mute button | 11:16 |
| rm_you | >_> | 11:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Niggling little nitpickings. | 11:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It looks good | 11:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | works great | 11:16 |
| rm_you | >_> | 11:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | thanks! | 11:16 |
| rm_you | mute button :P | 11:16 |
| johnx | mute = turn off screen :D | 11:16 |
| rm_you | lol | 11:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 11:16 |
| rm_you | i think it's hard-bound to the mixer... >_> | 11:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's dumb. | 11:17 |
| johnx | very strange | 11:17 |
| rm_you | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/HildonVolumebar.html | 11:17 |
| johnx | wait, is there source for any of these except for statusbar-cpu? | 11:17 |
| rm_you | johnx: nope | 11:17 |
| rm_you | johnx: thus all the reverse engineering >_> | 11:18 |
| johnx | truly amazing | 11:18 |
| johnx | what about HildonControlbar? | 11:18 |
| rm_you | johnx: lol | 11:18 |
| rm_you | johnx: that's what i'm using | 11:18 |
| johnx | heh | 11:19 |
| johnx | sorry, haven't been reading the source | 11:19 |
| rm_you | :P | 11:19 |
| inz | rm, where's the source for the latest version? | 11:19 |
| johnx | I'm ok with 5 levels :) | 11:19 |
| LinuxCode | god playing with the cat wears me more out than him | 11:19 |
| rm_you | inz: i'll post it, sec | 11:19 |
| LinuxCode | he just lifted hi paw in the end lol | 11:19 |
| LinuxCode | so funny | 11:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, you're nuts. | 11:20 |
| LinuxCode | like the instinct telling him to move his paw...but not move | 11:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do you read at night? :P | 11:20 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 11:20 |
| johnx | with a nice bright screen :) | 11:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sunglasses? | 11:20 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 11:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | My cat's doing laps, LinuxCode. | 11:20 |
| LinuxCode | laps ? | 11:20 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 11:20 |
| LinuxCode | runnign around like a nut ? | 11:20 |
| * johnx breaks into song "I weeeear my sungglasses at niiiiight" | 11:20 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Running from the front door to the back wall and back. | 11:21 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 11:21 |
| LinuxCode | mine does that | 11:21 |
| LinuxCode | goes a bit nuts.. | 11:21 |
| LinuxCode | plays hide and seek | 11:21 |
| inz | rm, and don't package the binary in the source tarball ;) | 11:22 |
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| rm_you | inz: pffft. I wasn't :P | 11:23 |
| rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight-0.5-src.tar.gz | 11:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you's Binary Tarball of Doom | 11:24 |
| rm_you | lol | 11:24 |
| seb_ | Hi folks, my N810 has altered in some way so that I can't write to the onboard SD card - /media/mmc2. It seems to be mounted read only, but I am sure I didn't do that... | 11:24 |
| rm_you | inz: trust me... i know that pain. one of the people i develop with insists on checking his binaries into SVN >_> | 11:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's corrupted, format it, seb_. | 11:24 |
| LinuxCode | thats the second time today | 11:24 |
| * LinuxCode spanks GeneralAntilles | 11:24 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey! | 11:25 |
| LinuxCode | seb_, remount it | 11:25 |
| inz | rm, the 0.4b tarball had it | 11:25 |
| chille | seb_: you have access to a windows box and are able to run scan disk or similar on it? | 11:25 |
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| rm_you | inz: wahg? | 11:25 |
| seb_ | GeneralAntilles: No way, that doesn't bode well - all I did was write some data to it. Still, I'll reformat if necessary. I tried mount -o remount,rw and that didn't work. | 11:25 |
| rm_you | inz: damn, must have missed it that distro | 11:26 |
| rm_you | it was a quickie :/ | 11:26 |
| LinuxCode | seb_, hmm | 11:26 |
| seb_ | chille: No access to an XP box, though I do have a win2k one here. But I'd rather not bother booting it ;) | 11:26 |
| rm_you | inz: none of the others do ^_^ | 11:26 |
| LinuxCode | this one guy held the select button | 11:26 |
| LinuxCode | rebooted and then mounted it via usb in linux | 11:26 |
| chille | seb_: well, i can understand why you don't want to oot a windows box ;) | 11:26 |
| LinuxCode | then ran fsck | 11:26 |
| chille | boot* | 11:26 |
| LinuxCode | afaik | 11:26 |
| inz | rm, I forgive you, it was "beta" after all ;) | 11:27 |
| seb_ | I'll fsck. | 11:27 |
| seb_ | Hang on. | 11:27 |
| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:27 |
| seb_ | Oh, what dev file will it be? | 11:28 |
| rm_you | inz: you wanting to look at my horrible code? :P | 11:28 |
| rm_you | inz: please, feel free to comment on how i could improve :) | 11:28 |
| inz | rm, nay, don't want to see it | 11:29 |
| rm_you | inz: lol? you *asked* for it specifically :P | 11:29 |
| inz | yeah, but that doesn't mean I want to see it | 11:29 |
| rm_you | lol | 11:29 |
| inz | http://inz.fi/advanced-backlight_0.5-1.diff.gz | 11:29 |
| seb_ | Got it, /dev/mmcblk0 | 11:30 |
| LinuxCode | seb_, you are doing this on the device itself ? | 11:30 |
| LinuxCode | I dont even have fsck | 11:30 |
| seb_ | LinuxCode: yes, and it has fsck onboard. | 11:30 |
| johnx | isn't mmcblk0p1 what you want? | 11:30 |
| seb_ | LinuxCode. Nokia-N810-50-2:~# ls /dev/mmcblk0* gives /dev/mmcblk0 and /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 11:31 |
| LinuxCode | you running default nokia + maemo test ? | 11:31 |
| rm_you | inz: ok... yeah... | 11:31 |
| inz | Didn't try the .deb prouced yet though | 11:31 |
| seb_ | LinuxCode: Reflashed to most recent OS2008, but haven't add the SDK or anything | 11:31 |
| rm_you | inz: but how to make it do stuff like, run all of the commands in the install.sh script? | 11:31 |
| inz | rm, read the patch | 11:31 |
| rm_you | ah | 11:32 |
| rm_you | becomes the .postinst | 11:32 |
| inz | yup | 11:32 |
| inz | I cleand it up a bit | 11:32 |
| inz | To make it simpler | 11:32 |
| rm_you | how do i split this diff up into all its component files? | 11:32 |
| seb_ | On my N810, there are two directories for the mmc card - /media/mmc1 and /media/mmc2, but only one partition /dev/mmcblk0p1. | 11:32 |
| LinuxCode | hmm I dunno how the other fella did it | 11:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | mmc1 is the external flash | 11:33 |
| LinuxCode | im sure he said he fsck'd in usb mode | 11:33 |
| inz | rm, wget -O /tmp/patch.gz http://inz.fi/advanced-backlight_0.5-1.diff.gz; cd advanced-backlight-0.5; gzip -dc /tmp/patch.gz | patch -p1 | 11:34 |
| seb_ | GeneralAntilles: I see. | 11:34 |
| seb_ | GeneralAntilles: Does it come with that external flash slot already installed? | 11:34 |
| LoCusF | inz: what does that patch do | 11:34 |
| LoCusF | ? | 11:34 |
| inz | LoCusF, adds debian packaging | 11:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | seb_, uh, yeah, they put that in at the factory. | 11:35 |
| LinuxCode | seb_, external = micro-sd card | 11:35 |
| seb_ | THanks. | 11:35 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, ? | 11:35 |
| LinuxCode | I didnt have a second card | 11:35 |
| seb_ | And that's the 2GB card, right? | 11:35 |
| rm_you | inz: so, i just run debian/rules and it should package up? | 11:35 |
| * LinuxCode is confused | 11:35 | |
| GeneralAntilles | mmc2 is the internal flash | 11:35 |
| inz | rm, usually you use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 11:35 |
| seb_ | Ok. How much internal flash is there? | 11:35 |
| inz | rm, other option is to run fakeroot debian/rules binary | 11:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2GB | 11:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | +256 | 11:36 |
| seb_ | Thanks. | 11:36 |
| seb_ | That's useful. I think there is something wrong with this device, because I have only ever seen a 2GB (or rather 1.7GB) partition. | 11:36 |
| rm_you | inz: ok... so... i wonder if that works | 11:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, there's nothing wrong with it. | 11:37 |
| LinuxCode | seb_, you will only see the 2GB | 11:37 |
| LinuxCode | its like that | 11:37 |
| LinuxCode | somebody had the same issue you had | 11:38 |
| seb_ | GeneralAntilles: Oh. Odd. | 11:38 |
| LinuxCode | means.... | 11:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | The filesystem is corrupt. | 11:38 |
| LinuxCode | either you unmounted and it wasnt finished writing to it | 11:38 |
| seb_ | Yes, I think the filesystem is corrupt too. First thing, I think I will reformat the card, see if that fixes it. | 11:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It will. | 11:39 |
| seb_ | Here is something I don't understand: fstab has a line /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999 0 0 | 11:39 |
| seb_ | But df -h shows this: /dev/mmcblk0p1 1.9G 1.5G 421.3M 78% /media/mmc2 | 11:40 |
| LinuxCode | so ? | 11:40 |
| LinuxCode | type mount | 11:40 |
| seb_ | Well, usually , the fstab file defines where things will end up being mounted. | 11:41 |
| seb_ | Guess that isn't the case. mount shows that mmcblk0p1 is indeed mounted at /media/mmc2. | 11:41 |
| seb_ | Also shows it as mounted ro. | 11:42 |
| rm_you | inz: where here does it ACTUALLY put the files in the right directories? | 11:43 |
| rm_you | rules puts them in "debian/tmp/usr/lib/hildon-desktop/" and "debian/tmp/usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar/".... | 11:43 |
| rm_you | is there some sort of magic involved in debian_helper that translates that to the real paths? | 11:43 |
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| seb_ | reformatted and it's now mounted rw. | 11:47 |
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| johnx | out of curiosity seb_, would you run sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 | 11:48 |
| inz | rm_you, dh_install | 11:49 |
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| rm_you | k | 11:49 |
| seb_ | Nokia-N810-50-2:~# sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 | 11:50 |
| seb_ | Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 61440 cylinders, 4 heads, 16 sectors/track | 11:50 |
| seb_ | Units = cylinders of 32768 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 | 11:50 |
| seb_ | Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System | 11:50 |
| seb_ | /dev/mmcblk0p1 0+ 61439 61440- 1966072 b W95 FAT32 | 11:50 |
| seb_ | /dev/mmcblk0p2 0 - 0 0 0 Empty | 11:50 |
| seb_ | /dev/mmcblk0p3 0 - 0 0 0 Empty | 11:50 |
| seb_ | /dev/mmcblk0p4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty | 11:50 |
| rm_you | gah. sometimes i think i'm really good... and then I try doing something slightly different for a while and remember how much of a n00b i am :P | 11:50 |
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| johnx | seb_ looks normal at least. I think at least one person somehow managed to end up with the parition claiming to be bigger than the device | 11:52 |
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| rm_you | johnx: /dev/mmcblk0p1 74+ 73094- 73021- 4016128 b W95 FAT32 | 11:53 |
| rm_you | johnx: mine looks... odd :P | 11:53 |
| rm_you | on his, cylinders < blocks... mine is reversed :P | 11:54 |
| seb_ | johnx: I see. Well, I'll try copying my data onto it again. Have been using scp to do that, can't imagine that should cause any trouble.. | 11:54 |
| johnx | rm_you, I don't think those are falling under the right heading is all | 11:55 |
| rm_you | is that what the 74+ on mine means? >_> | 11:55 |
| johnx | in order is: start end "total # of blocks" "total # of cylinders" | 11:55 |
| rm_you | hrm | 11:55 |
| rm_you | start: (c,h,s) expected (74,5,3) found (1,2,3) | 11:56 |
| rm_you | end: (c,h,s) expected (1023,10,10) found (997,10,10) | 11:56 |
| rm_you | weird. well, anyways, it works for me :P | 11:56 |
| rm_you | and i need to go run and print this paper | 11:56 |
| rm_you | and then sleep | 11:56 |
| rm_you | i have to wake up in... ... god fucking damnit | 11:56 |
| seb_ | The formatting problem might explain why some ogg-vorbis tracks were showing up in Media-Player(OGG) as realaudio files and not working.... | 11:56 |
| seb_ | So, let me get this straight - the N810 has a 2 GB replaceable sd-mmc card for user data, and 2GB of internal storage for the operating system? | 11:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 11:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's 256MB of flash for the OS/user storage/applications, etc. | 11:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's 2GB of flash soldered to the board | 11:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | and then there's an external MiniSD slot for cards up to 2048GB | 11:59 |
| johnx | the 2GB of flash soldered to the board is addressed as an SD card, thus explaining why it's a block device and where the /dev name came from | 12:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know why they didn't just keep it as another slot . . . | 12:00 |
| seb_ | Ah ha. So I can buy another miniSD card to expant it. | 12:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wouldn't be that hard to bundle a 2GB card with the maps. | 12:01 |
| seb_ | You definitely can't install >2048 MB? | 12:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not unless you open it up, desolder the flash and resolder a new chip on there. | 12:02 |
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| seb_ | But the external slot - why is that limited to 2048 MB? | 12:03 |
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| LoCusF | I think it isnt | 12:04 |
| Khertan | Hi | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2048GB | 12:04 |
| Khertan | i ve received my N810 ! Nice device ! | 12:04 |
| LoCusF | I have a 4GB microSD for that slot | 12:04 |
| seb_ | Oh 2048 GB - I though that was a typo ;) | 12:04 |
| LoCusF | oh gb :) | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've only typed it about 4 times. . . . | 12:05 |
| LoCusF | true :) | 12:05 |
| Khertan | but shutdown button is hard to press when keyboard is open | 12:05 |
| seb_ | GeneralAntilles: I apologise for my error | 12:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kidding, seb_. :) | 12:05 |
| seb_ | Shame I can't use all these 32768 GB cards I have lying around ;) | 12:06 |
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| LoCusF | 1 terabyte mini/microSD's would rock | 12:06 |
| seb_ | Well, wait five years... | 12:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Problem with flash memory that big is that they still only transfer data in the 5-15MB/sec range. ;) | 12:07 |
| LoCusF | hehe | 12:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | If we're still using SD-format cards by that time, there's no reason it couldn't be patched for sizes over 2TB. | 12:07 |
| seb_ | Yes. That's true. In fact, I installed a 2GB CF card in a slightly old Nikon digital camera and it seemed _really_ slow to store and retrieve theimages. | 12:08 |
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| seb_ | I lost my map data when I reformatted the internal drive. I should be able to re-install it through the map application, shouldn't I? | 12:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 12:09 |
| seb_ | Great | 12:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd just forget about that and use maemo mapper. ;) | 12:09 |
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| seb_ | It's better by all accounts, right? | 12:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Minus turn-by-turn, yes. | 12:09 |
| seb_ | What do you have to do to get maemo mapper to work with the GPS. I heard you have to tweak something. | 12:10 |
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| LoCusF | use empty bt address | 12:11 |
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| seb_ | LoCusF: Ok, I leave that field empty - should I then press the scan button? | 12:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | afaik, seb_, it'll use the gpsd | 12:27 |
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| chille | have anyone tried modifying the BIOS on a device? | 12:45 |
| chille | i want to try to change the startup picture | 12:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's no BIOS | 12:46 |
| chille | but i don't know if there is any kind of checksum or similar that will brick the device if i dan't update it | 12:46 |
| chille | well, not bios, i meam more lik.. the loader that is inside the OMAP | 12:46 |
| chille | that starts the bootloader etc | 12:46 |
| chille | the code that displays the "charging" screen if the chrger is plugged in and the device is turned off etc | 12:47 |
| chille | xloader, 2nd & secondary in the image file | 12:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14310 | 12:48 |
| chille | GeneralAntilles: i mean the "first" starup screen, not the one in the gui | 12:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll need a JTAG cable. | 12:49 |
| chille | actually there is four starup screen, first the one in the "bios", then one in a bootloader or kernel (don't know what) and then there is two *.png's in the gui | 12:50 |
| chille | i NEED? for what? to recover the machine if a brick it? the picture is in the image from nokia, so it would probably be possible to change the image and flash the device | 12:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The image isn't in a user-accessible part of the flash. | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'd need a JTAG cable to attach to the serial port to flash it. | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | With custom images as outlined in the thread above, you only get about 5 seconds of the Nokia logo. | 12:52 |
| chille | are you sure? i think i found something in the 2nd that might be the nokia logo, but i'm not sure yet, i'm working on it | 12:52 |
| chille | seems to be an RLE-encoded image or something | 12:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fairly certain | 12:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, if you think you've found something, replace it and find out | 12:52 |
| chille | yeah, but that 5 seconds is 5 seconds to much for mee | 12:52 |
| chille | yeah, but i'm to scared of bricking the device | 12:53 |
| chille | because i don't know if the image got any kind of checksum or so | 12:53 |
| chille | but maybe the flasher would whine is the checksum is wrong | 12:53 |
| chille | but whatever, i got a JTAG cable, so maybe there's no problem | 12:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | The worst you'll have to do is reflash. | 12:54 |
| chille | reflash with the JTAG cable? | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you find a solution that doesn't require JTAG cable, let me know. | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, USB. | 12:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most likely | 12:54 |
| chille | yeah but the problem is if i crach the bootloader it wont probably be possible to reflash the device with a USB cable | 12:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, you have a JTAG cable, then, right? :P | 12:55 |
| chille | yes, i have, but is it ALWAYS possible to reflash the device via JTAG? | 12:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless it becomes a hardware problem. | 12:56 |
| michele_ | "always" is quite strong word | 12:56 |
| chille | even if i fuck it up and crach the NAND Flash inside the OMAP? | 12:56 |
| michele_ | almost as strong as "never" | 12:56 |
| chille | well, have to and eat some lunch | 12:57 |
| chille | thanks for the help btw | 12:57 |
| chille | bbl | 12:57 |
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| blahdeblah | Am i the only one for whom maemo extras is permanently broken? | 13:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quite possibly, yes. | 13:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia has specifically targeted you. | 13:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | They hate your guts. :P | 13:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same error? | 13:02 |
| blahdeblah | GeneralAntilles: :-P | 13:03 |
| blahdeblah | Yeah - consistent 401s: | 13:03 |
| blahdeblah | From my squid proxy log: 1200654182.743 526 127.0.0.1 TCP_MISS/401 867 GET http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/non-free/binary-armel/Packages.gz - DIRECT/203.206.139.71 text/html | 13:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | e-mail ferenc or hit up bugzilla | 13:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or try not proxying | 13:04 |
| blahdeblah | Tried that already | 13:04 |
| LinuxCode | blahdeblah, i had issues too | 13:04 |
| LinuxCode | still have | 13:04 |
| blahdeblah | LinuxCode: i'm all ears... | 13:04 |
| LinuxCode | when downloading larger files... | 13:04 |
| LinuxCode | it just stops | 13:04 |
| LinuxCode | but I thought it might be my old crappy AP | 13:05 |
| LinuxCode | as I dont really like wlan | 13:05 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 13:05 |
| LinuxCode | only use it now for the N810 | 13:05 |
| LinuxCode | actually disregard | 13:05 |
| blahdeblah | Me to - although i had a client's wireless laptop in here the other day and it worked fine. | 13:06 |
| LinuxCode | claws repo is the same | 13:06 |
| blahdeblah | But i get it from my desktop as well as the N800, and it's wired, not wireless | 13:06 |
| LinuxCode | blahdeblah, which country are you based at ? | 13:06 |
| LinuxCode | UK ? | 13:06 |
| blahdeblah | .au | 13:06 |
| LinuxCode | k | 13:06 |
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| lcuk_2 | hey guys, im at work at the moment but I just read a very interesting report about HTC owners forming a class action suit regarding Poor graphics performance and not utilising the hardware in their devices. | 13:38 |
| lcuk_2 | sounds familiar????? | 13:38 |
| lcuk_2 | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/01/17/htc-owners-arms-graphics | 13:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | class action? | 13:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 13:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a hardware limitation and we weren't promised anything we didn't get going in. | 13:39 |
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| lcuk_2 | wheres the hardware limitation, looking at the2420 it supports 3d accellerated graphics - where are they ;) (and yes i know all the tech sides of it now but is it worth dismissing so easily? | 13:41 |
| lcuk_2 | anyway, back to the grind | 13:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 13:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because we weren't guaranteed anything going in. | 13:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia mentions nothing of accelerated graphics. | 13:42 |
| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: so you think Nokia is going to support OpenGL in the N900 (or whatever the name is for the next model)? | 13:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't see any reason why they wouldn't | 13:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | and accelerated graphics are a big selling point. | 13:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially when they basically get it for free with the chip. | 13:43 |
| hugolp | well, its not in the 2420 chip | 13:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | The PowerVR or the support? | 13:44 |
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| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: I though the N800/810 chip doesnt support opengl | 13:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It does. | 13:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | See TI's website | 13:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The problem lies with the LCD controller | 13:45 |
| hugolp | how? | 13:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming that there aren't issues with getting the data from the PowerVR to the controller as it's set up now (the data path may just not work that way), the LCD controller wont handle more than 15fps at 800x480 | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OMAP2420's built-in controller only handles up to 640x480 | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | So Nokia had to put in a 3rd party controller to handle 800x480 | 13:46 |
| hugolp | I see | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | this 3rd party controller is connected with a very low-bandwidth serial interface. | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | So no hardware video decoding or accelerated OpenGL for us. | 13:46 |
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| hugolp | IMO this is something Nokia should have as a priority to solve for next device. For the rest of the hardware Im very happy | 13:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no solving about it with the next device | 13:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OMAP3430 supports up to 1024x768 just fine. | 13:48 |
| hahlo | I would like see gsm chip in next device | 13:49 |
| kulve | GeneralAntilles: why do you say the next device is omap3 based? | 13:49 |
| fatal- | GeneralAntilles: of course nokia wants to do 720p device by then :) | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where else could they go? | 13:49 |
| kulve | hahlo: use voip | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | hahlo, let's hope not. | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're not going for Intel | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | and there's nowhere to move on tho OMAP2 | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I very much doubt they'd move to another ARM chip | 13:50 |
| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: that sounds great | 13:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, no bottle-necking LCD controller means OpenGL ES 2.0, and hardware video decoding | 13:50 |
| blooming | if the chip can support 640*480 then cant we use that for "game mode" and have a black border? | 13:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | 720p no problem. ;) | 13:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No, blooming, because it's not connected to the LCD. | 13:50 |
| hugolp | the Nokia with 720p and opengl is going to be amazing | 13:50 |
| hahlo | I have tiomap ipaQ too with gsm and wlan bt and irda | 13:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | GSM isn't a good fit for the internet tablets. | 13:51 |
| fatal- | GeneralAntilles: I mean, then once again the controller wouldn't suffice... | 13:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh, OK, but OMAP3 can decode 720p just fine. ;) | 13:51 |
| hahlo | 3g mobile is good for internet | 13:51 |
| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: but that is a design nokia policy, they dont want GSM into the tablets | 13:51 |
| hugolp | its not really a hardware or software problem | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | FWI, 720p usually refers to video resolution, not screen resolution. :P | 13:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | hahlo, that's what I have a cellphone for. | 13:52 |
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| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: yes, of course | 13:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is a software problem | 13:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | as providing support for a cellular modem is a non-trivial upgrade for maemo. | 13:52 |
| hugolp | but if the tablet can render 720p without a problem it means no need to transcode from a media server | 13:52 |
| fatal- | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but being able to show 720p without scaling puts some requirements on the screen resolution, too | 13:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | A cellular radio is going to shoot costs up and generally make things a lot more difficult. | 13:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Right, hugolp. | 13:52 |
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| kulve | and they probably still want to sell a cell too to all tablet owners.. | 13:53 |
| fatal- | anyhow, putting a 720p capable display on a tablet might be still years away | 13:53 |
| hahlo | at least ipaq is cheap with gsm | 13:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are places I want to take my cellphone and places where I want to take my internet tablet. | 13:53 |
| fatal- | so I won't count on that yet :) | 13:53 |
| kulve | fatal-: and if it's the same size physically as the current one, the benefit from it would be pretty minimal | 13:54 |
| kulve | +d | 13:54 |
| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: correct me if Im wrong, but I suspect that nokia is developing the Maemo platform to see if its a proper platform for the main public, and developing the tablets to test before comiting more | 13:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | fatal, I'd be interested in it to drive a component or VGA out. | 13:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | The goal is to end up with a platform that's suitable for general consumption. | 13:54 |
| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: yes, VGA out like in the N95 would be a good idea | 13:54 |
| hahlo | little birds also sang that there might be gsm in next device, not sure if true | 13:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dear god let's hope not. | 13:55 |
| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: and iPhone succes might have open Nokia chairman eyes | 13:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not against a cellular modem in a maemo device once the platform gets some hardware diversification | 13:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | But if it comes down to my N800 or an N900 with GSM . . . | 13:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wont be buying. | 13:55 |
| hugolp | I would | 13:55 |
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| hugolp | I would love to actually | 13:56 |
| hahlo | i would buy with gsm | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, we know hahlo. :P | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I would like to see several devices under the NIT platform | 13:56 |
| Gathaja | 7awa | 13:56 |
| Gathaja | :) | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3"-5" screens | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | with/without cellular | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | N-series, E-series, etc. | 13:57 |
| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: NIT platform? | 13:57 |
| hahlo | here are probably people who knows but they won't tell | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia Internet Tablet | 13:57 |
| hugolp | ok | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | hahlo, I HIGHLY doubt it. | 13:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | The platform just isn't positioned for it right now | 13:58 |
| hahlo | GeneralAntilles: i'm sure here are rubber Boot factory people | 13:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you want answers, go beg texrat. ;) | 13:59 |
| hahlo | but if they would tell us the truth they would get kick off by rubber boot | 14:00 |
| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: but whats the problem with Maemo suporting GSM? you where talking drivers or GUI problems? | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | A lot of both | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are many things people expect from a phone | 14:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pretty much none of them are supported by maemo at the moment. | 14:02 |
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| hahlo | in ipaq we have gsm software called gommunicator | 14:03 |
| hahlo | ipaq linux | 14:03 |
| hugolp | is there problems with the repositories again? my N800 has been waiting for 15 minuts to finish updated and finally I had to cancel | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could be | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | working over here | 14:04 |
| hahlo | open gsm-drivers still missing thou | 14:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | apt-get update | 14:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | apt's timeout is so ridiculously long | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | If I'm not getting a response in 30 seconds, it's probably not coming. | 14:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Plus, it doesn't fail intelligently | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll try to fetch from repository.maemo.org for each and every instance (extras, official, free, non-free, etc.) | 14:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's gotta be a way to do it, but /etc/apt/apt.conf.d wasn't very revealing. | 14:08 |
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| hahlo | open gsm drivers would probably be as good than are open wlan drivers | 14:09 |
| glass | hows it done in neo1973/openmoko? | 14:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://florianjensen.com/2008/01/17/aol-adopting-xmpp-aka-jabber/ | 14:10 |
| hugolp | I had duplicated repositories, now is working fine | 14:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | This our florian? | 14:11 |
| hugolp | thats a problem, sometimes I will install something with the install button of a web page and it will add a repository I allredy have and then the tablet wont update properly | 14:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I do all of my installing through the app manager or apt | 14:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | the .installs aren't that great for most stuff. | 14:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good for the first few, but the dupes add up on the Extras stuff. | 14:12 |
| hugolp | is it that hard for the software to check if the repository is allredy there or not? | 14:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 14:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | it just doesn't. | 14:14 |
| florian | GeneralAntilles: nope :) | 14:14 |
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| Khertan | i'm trying to add some mime type on maemo, to be able to open a .py file with pygtkeditor when i double click on it, instead of selected the application in the applications list ... but i don't found any informations ... someone know where i can found documentation ? | 14:49 |
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| GNUtoN810 | Hi | 14:50 |
| Khertan | Hi GNUtoN810 | 14:50 |
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| GNUtoN810 | Hey khertan | 14:53 |
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| alterego | Khertan, there's a howto for that isn't there? | 14:54 |
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| chille | have someone figured out how to use usb host mode on N800? | 15:14 |
| kulve | chille: I found something relating to that from http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/n800usbhost | 15:14 |
| Mikho | in 770 you had to reflash the device with an additional --enable-usb-host-mode option | 15:14 |
| kulve | Mikho: not needed on n8x0 with os2008 | 15:15 |
| chille | yeah, i have --enable-usb-host-mode ;o | 15:15 |
| chille | hmm.. okay.. | 15:15 |
| Mikho | nice | 15:15 |
| chille | so i just need a usb power injector and it will work? | 15:16 |
| kulve | chille: I think I've heard that even that's not needed anymore.. | 15:16 |
| chille | hmm.. wtf.. well, i have to try | 15:16 |
| chille | :) | 15:16 |
| kulve | but I haven't tried myself, so I don't know for sure | 15:16 |
| chille | brb | 15:16 |
| Mikho | N800 has a powered usb port? | 15:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | 200ma | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, 100ma | 15:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | OTG power | 15:20 |
| chille | yes it is | 15:21 |
| chille | damn that nice | 15:21 |
| chille | i host usb host working on my n800 :) | 15:21 |
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| chille | just typ "echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode" as root and it will power up | 15:21 |
| chille | and "/usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh" to get mass storage work :D | 15:21 |
| Cptnodegard | pffft | 15:22 |
| Cptnodegard | auto-host cable ftw | 15:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 15:22 |
| chille | auto host? | 15:22 |
| Cptnodegard | cable that switches the n800 to host mode without any command line tampering | 15:23 |
| chille | how do i make a usb host cable? :) | 15:23 |
| keesj | cool! | 15:23 |
| Cptnodegard | theres a thread on itt | 15:23 |
| chille | okay | 15:24 |
| Cptnodegard | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4177&goto=newpost | 15:24 |
| Cptnodegard | basically its just a mini B to female A cable where you short the 4th and 5th pin of the mini B | 15:24 |
| Cptnodegard | works like hell | 15:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | fyi, "works like hell" would imply that it doesn't work. :P | 15:25 |
| lcuk_2 | its good if the devil wants a keyboard | 15:25 |
| Cptnodegard | nah hell works | 15:25 |
| chille | Cptnodegard: nice | 15:25 |
| Cptnodegard | here's mine : http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/usb.jpg | 15:25 |
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| chille | and here's another pic of your cable :p http://captain-odegard.com/n800/host.jpg | 15:26 |
| Cptnodegard | tried it with 2 KB's, and 3 flash pens, all worked | 15:26 |
| chille | ugly as hell, but still nice | 15:26 |
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| Cptnodegard | indeed | 15:26 |
| mgedmin | cool | 15:26 |
| Cptnodegard | i should update the /n800 directory | 15:26 |
| chille | i wonder if it would be possible to make a nice looking cable | 15:26 |
| Cptnodegard | sure | 15:27 |
| lcuk_2 | when i did it with a standard cable, the keyboard appeared to work perfectly, but if i mashed lots of keys the power drain got too much and caused the device to screw up ;) | 15:27 |
| lcuk_2 | YMMV though | 15:27 |
| chille | haha | 15:27 |
| lcuk_2 | it works really well though now i am using a powered hub | 15:28 |
| chille | how do i fix a fucked up usb host btw? if i unplug my usb memory "unsafe" the usb host will stop working | 15:28 |
| Mikho | sounds like 100mA power is pretty low. What's the usual amount of power in usb ports? | 15:28 |
| lcuk_2 | 500 | 15:28 |
| Mikho | right | 15:28 |
| lcuk_2 | 100 is the wake up max | 15:28 |
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| chille | damn, my 3G modem needs more than 500mA i think :( | 15:30 |
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| kulve | 500mA is the maximum according to the usb standard afaik | 15:30 |
| kulve | but that doesn't mean devices wouldn't want more.. | 15:31 |
| kulve | at least I think my digi tv usb wants quite much.. | 15:31 |
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| lcuk_2 | usb devices are like women. they know their limts but just have to push anyway ;) | 15:31 |
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| chille | kulve: yeah but my modem needs an adapter that uses two usb ports | 15:33 |
| kulve | nice.. | 15:33 |
| kulve | (not) | 15:33 |
| chille | kulve: but it works with only one port on my laptop | 15:33 |
| chille | lcuk_2: ;D | 15:34 |
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| michele_ | great | 15:37 |
| michele_ | I have my new 4G microSD, but not a miniSD to try it :( | 15:38 |
| LoCusF | I just needed a USB A female - A female adapter | 15:38 |
| LoCusF | for my n810 host mode | 15:38 |
| alterego | Hmmm .. Now I have all this storage for my N810 I don't know what to put on it! | 15:40 |
| * vegai waits for 'porn' | 15:41 | |
| alterego | I didn't realize how small micro SD cards are .. | 15:41 |
| michele_ | me too | 15:41 |
| alterego | They're like .. Tiny. | 15:41 |
| LoCusF | lol I already got a 4GB microSD almost full | 15:41 |
| michele_ | and *slim* | 15:41 |
| LoCusF | yeah they are really tiny | 15:41 |
| alterego | My Micro came with a micro->mini adapter and a mini->full size SD adapter. | 15:41 |
| LoCusF | I always beg myself not to drop em and get em lost | 15:42 |
| LoCusF | alterego: me too | 15:42 |
| michele_ | I am going to steal the micro -> mini adpter from my brother, he doesn't need it | 15:42 |
| alterego | Oh, actually it's a micro to full SD. | 15:42 |
| alterego | Not mini. | 15:42 |
| LoCusF | alterego: I actually put a microSD to miniSD-adapter to a SD-adapter :) | 15:42 |
| alterego | But I do have a mini to full size SD | 15:42 |
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| crashanddie | hey everyone | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | I setup my scratchbox and stuff | 15:44 |
| alterego | crashanddie, good job :) | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | when I'm under the arm env, I can af-sb-init.sh start, and the whole thing shows up in xephyr | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | but when I'm under x86, it doesn't really go as planned | 15:44 |
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| crashanddie | I don't notice any "major" errors, there's just nothing coming up on xephyr | 15:45 |
| alterego | Unusual. | 15:46 |
| crashanddie | anyone know what I could try to figure this one out ? | 15:47 |
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| crashanddie | here is the output I get: http://slexy.org/view/s21OSZHG1j | 15:49 |
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| Tak | "Failed to initialize libOSSO" - that seems like a problem | 15:52 |
| jorgen | Has anyone played around with the camera.c example up on maemo.org in the "How to use the Camera API" tutorial noticed that the time for gst_element_link_filtered() to return is about 18 seconds out of 22 seconds total startup time? I'm trying to remove the latency, but struggling. | 15:53 |
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| crashanddie | tak: hang on, it just spat out a few more lines | 15:54 |
| Tak | http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@lists.maemo.org/msg00022.html | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | http://slexy.org/view/s2jLZhhI5H | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | yeah Tak, I saw that, but my xephyr doesn't crash ! | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | ! | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | and my xephyr version is stable, afaik | 15:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | This is surely the epitome of win: http://www.globalsourcesdirect.com/servlet/the-3961/Dual-Band-PMP-Cell/Detail# | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: bleh | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the N800's fast, ugly, retarded twin. | 15:59 |
| michele_ | you forgot heavy | 16:00 |
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| crashanddie | and a very bad screen | 16:00 |
| Tak | eww, qvga | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | 240x320 is pretty shitty | 16:00 |
| LoCusF | yeah | 16:00 |
| LoCusF | its the resolution on my 6680 | 16:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/fast/fat/ | 16:01 |
| Tak | GeneralAntilles meant: It's the N800's fat, ugly, retarded twin. | 16:01 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: It's the N800's fat, ugly, retarded twin. | 16:01 |
| crashanddie | lol | 16:01 |
| glass | LoCusF: 6680 is 176x208.. | 16:01 |
| LoCusF | glass: oh | 16:01 |
| glass | like most 1st/2nd ed s60's | 16:02 |
| LoCusF | well it was the resolution of SOME phone :) | 16:02 |
| crashanddie | s/lol/really, you shouldn't have those things activated on an IRC channel/ | 16:02 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: really, you shouldn't have those things activated on an IRC channel | 16:02 |
| Tak | crashanddie meant: really, you shouldn't have those things activated on an IRC channel | 16:02 |
| michele_ | hey, but it's got a phone in there! | 16:02 |
| glass | yeah most new s60's tend to be 240x320 | 16:02 |
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| LoCusF | like E51 | 16:03 |
| glass | and n95's etc.. | 16:03 |
| LoCusF | yep | 16:04 |
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| glass | it's not a bad res for the size of screens they have | 16:05 |
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| LoCusF | not bad at all | 16:05 |
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| wwp | anybody has problems w/ the FM radio player? here I get no sound at all (nokia headset is plugged in) | 16:08 |
| hugolp | wwp: working here | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it muted? | 16:09 |
| wwp | not muted | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | System volume turned up? | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Applet volume turned up? | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | correct output selected? | 16:09 |
| wwp | yes yes yes | 16:09 |
| wwp | :) | 16:09 |
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| hugolp | anyone know how to add a lib dir in the N800? In scratchbox I edited /etc/ld.so.conf to add the extra lib directory, but that doesnt work in the N800 | 16:10 |
| wwp | I've set my local station frequencies, but I don't get a simple noise sound | 16:10 |
| hugolp | wwp: you sure is not coming out of the headset | 16:10 |
| hugolp | I mean you sure the sound is not in the headsets? | 16:10 |
| wwp | hugolp: I have a plug in one ear, the other close to the n810 speaker | 16:11 |
| wwp | of course, sound do work (system sounds, media) | 16:11 |
| hugolp | wwp: well, all I can say is it works in my N800 with OS2008 | 16:12 |
| wwp | n810 here | 16:12 |
| wwp | (OS2008 up-to-date) | 16:13 |
| wwp | too bad! | 16:13 |
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| sKaBoy | n810 doesn't have fm right ? | 16:13 |
| wwp | hugolp: if you unplug the headset, does the FM radio applet plays some noise or nothing at all? | 16:13 |
| wwp | sKaBoy: not installed by default, but installable | 16:14 |
| sKaBoy | but does the n810 have a fm radio chip ? | 16:14 |
| LoCusF | no | 16:14 |
| wwp | ah. | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 doesn't have FM. . . . | 16:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 16:14 |
| sKaBoy | :) | 16:14 |
| wwp | that would be a very good point! | 16:14 |
| wwp | lol | 16:14 |
| wwp | back to internet radio, no problem :) | 16:14 |
| wwp | there's an article here in france saying that the n810 has the GPS SIRFIII, is it true? (seeing the bad bad GPS sensibility of the n810, I doubt a lil' bit) | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 16:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a crappy TI chip | 16:17 |
| hugolp | wwp: yes, if I unplug the headset the fm radio plays just noise | 16:17 |
| wwp | many articles (even in English) make the same supposition, but noone could confirm | 16:17 |
| hugolp | wwp: N810 doesnt have fm radio | 16:17 |
| GNUtoN810 | Bye | 16:17 |
| wwp | hugolp: ok. thanks.. anyway as the n810 has no FM capability.. | 16:17 |
| hugolp | wwp: youll have to do with internet radio | 16:17 |
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| wwp | GeneralAntilles: ah! crappy, exactly how I felt it | 16:17 |
| wwp | yep | 16:18 |
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| crashanddie | I'm off | 16:18 |
| crashanddie | bbl | 16:18 |
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| jorgen | Hmm. Are there alternatives for taking stills other than gstreamer? | 16:19 |
| fysa | so now that we have more people with N810 in their hands.. N800 -> N810 worth it for 1) the keyboard (how much faster than onscreen? annoying to move hand down/slide for it?) and 2) slightly more pocketable size versus losing storage and near-screen controls? | 16:19 |
| fysa | if KDE runs as well as penguin claims, the slide keyboard might be worthwhile to me.. | 16:20 |
| mgedmin | do the US discount codes work yet? | 16:22 |
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| wwp | jorgen: you're taking stills w/ gstreamer? photos? | 16:22 |
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| jorgen | wwp: Yeah, using the example up on maemo.org. The problem i'm having is the startup time is abysmal, which is down to one function as far as I can see. It takes some 18 seconds to return, which is what i'm trying to fix. :) | 16:24 |
| hugolp | fysa: I havent tryed but I personally doubt the phisical N810 keyboard is any good. Too small probably, but I guess I should try it before talking | 16:24 |
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| wwp | jorgen: funny. to take a photograph, I wouldn't used gstreamer :). the camera program on OS2008 is OK-ish for that, and there are alternatives (like an app that stores GPS data in the picture) | 16:25 |
| Tak | mgedmin: heh, I've been wondering as well | 16:27 |
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| jorgen | wwp: I'd use that if I could, but i'm doing something quite non-trivial as i'm hacking on a project that is doing some object detection using Haar-like cascades. | 16:28 |
| fysa | it doesn't even need to be "good" | 16:29 |
| fysa | it just needs to be better passably faster than the onscreen | 16:29 |
| wwp | hm. | 16:29 |
| wwp | then I can't help | 16:29 |
| fysa | the main reason for this, in my opinion, is that you gain tremendous screen real estate by not needing the onscreen thumb vkb. | 16:29 |
| fysa | and suddenly a spreadsheet could be usable (now that you can see what you do as you type ..) | 16:30 |
| jorgen | wwp: Interesting that they've added their own camera application in 2008 though. :) | 16:30 |
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| lardman | fysa: hear hear | 16:31 |
| fysa | have you looked at the 'motion' packages, jorgen? | 16:33 |
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| jorgen | fysa: No, I haven't actually. I was, until a minute ago, assuming that this was a fringe subject. :) | 16:34 |
| fysa | http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome | 16:35 |
| fysa | Motion is a program that monitors the video signal from one or more cameras and is able to detect if a significant part of the picture has changed; in other words, it can detect motion. | 16:35 |
| fysa | basically, you can look for specific motion sequences and trigger scripts. | 16:35 |
| fysa | I was interested in using it with a webcam on my HTPC to let me control e.g., volume by waving my hand a certain way | 16:36 |
| fysa | or automatically pausing if someone is standing in front of the screen and the lights are at a certain level | 16:36 |
| fysa | (that means it's projector movie time) | 16:36 |
| jorgen | Hmm, great. :) | 16:36 |
| fysa | someone ported it to OS2007 and maybe OS2008 | 16:37 |
| fysa | so I'm assuming it works with the built-in webcam, | 16:37 |
| fysa | hmm. "Motion tracking (camera follow motion - special hardware required)" | 16:37 |
| jorgen | I'll check the code out, maybe there's something I can do with it anyway. | 16:37 |
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| fysa | we need a lazy-susan w/charge port for the coffee table, so I can set the device down and have it always face me ;) | 16:38 |
| lardman | Are there any bar code reading apps floating about? | 16:38 |
| lardman | I've just written a 2D bar code reader in MATLAB and before I turn it into Python I thought I'd enquire | 16:38 |
| lardman | Where I'm reading from a webcam that is | 16:38 |
| fysa | not that I've seen | 16:39 |
| hugolp | Im having a problem on OS2008 that I didnt have in OS2007: When I load the web browser and the N800 has been a long time idle the wireless network connection doesnt work (through it says its connected in the desktop bar). I have to reload the webpage and then it works. Anyone has the same problem? | 16:39 |
| lardman | I see phones have a bar code reader app on them these days, what is this for? | 16:39 |
| hugolp | Its very anoying in other programs that need the network to work | 16:39 |
| hugolp | lardman: cause is very easy to do if the phone has a camera, and probably is usefull for someone | 16:40 |
| fysa | mine stays connected, but there may be a setting in control panel -> connectivity | 16:40 |
| hugolp | and you know, is one feature more you can show off | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reading barcodes, lardman. :P | 16:40 |
| lardman | hugolp: I read you can point it at a webpage/magazine and it encodes an url, I've just never seen one in the wild | 16:40 |
| AD-N770 | jotgen: which code are you running | 16:40 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: ;p | 16:40 |
| AD-N770 | jorgen: sorry, could you pastebin your code for gstreamer | 16:41 |
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| lardman | Seriously though, sounds pretty cool, if only it actually had a use (much like Bonjour IM I reckon) :) | 16:41 |
| jorgen | AD-N770: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_camera_api_bora.html | 16:41 |
| hugolp | lardman: what? | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha, Bonjour IM might be interesting on a corporate network. | 16:42 |
| lardman | hugolp: are you whating about Bonjour? | 16:42 |
| Dist | hugolp: Some Finnish bus stops have some kind of bar codes on them. You can scan that using a phone and see bus stop specific time-table and if there's anything affecting that.. | 16:42 |
| jorgen | AD-N770: It's basically the one out of the repo: https://staging.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/tools/trunk/maemo_testing/maemo-examples/example_camera.c | 16:42 |
| lardman | Dist: ah, so they do have a use. That's good :) | 16:42 |
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| hugolp | Dist: hahaha that would be useless here in Barcelona. Buses have free schedule | 16:43 |
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| lardman | In the UK people often steal the bus timetable poles | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 16:43 |
| lardman | well when there are students about anyway :) | 16:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Over here, only homeless people use the buses. :P | 16:44 |
| Dist | hugolp: Well, here we have GPS in some of the busses and they can be tracked from the net =) | 16:44 |
| Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: weird... | 16:44 |
| lardman | Dist: That is actually pretty cool | 16:44 |
| Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: where is that? | 16:44 |
| AD-N770 | jorgen: you could try to simplify the pipeline, which colorspace do you need on your app? | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Florida, USA | 16:44 |
| Dist | lardman: There was an ajax proto app somewhere, but just can't remember where :< | 16:44 |
| Dist | Lynoure: ! | 16:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Parking is plentiful and mostly free, everybody has a car. | 16:44 |
| lardman | Dist: not much good for me though living in the UK :) | 16:44 |
| hugolp | fysa: the connectivity settings are set to connect automatically for wlan conections, search interval 10 minutes, and wlan idle time unlimited | 16:44 |
| jorgen | AD-N770: At this moment in time, the fastest possible. :) | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's just no demand for strong public transportation. | 16:44 |
| Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: let me guess, the rest are 1 person per car, stuck in traffic jams? :) | 16:45 |
| michele_ | GeneralAntilles: that just means oil is still too cheap over there | 16:45 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: petrol is cheap, etc, etc. ;) | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 16:45 |
| Tak | I wouldn't say there's no demand for public transportation | 16:45 |
| Dist | Lynoure: Hey, you can be found from the most surprising places =) | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Traffic flows very nicely. | 16:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tak, there's no demand HERE. | 16:45 |
| AD-N770 | jorgen: is video/x-raw-yuv, format=(fourcc)UYVY, width=(int)640, height=(int)480, framerate=(fraction)8/1 fine ? | 16:45 |
| * Tak in FL, USA also | 16:45 | |
| michele_ | GeneralAntilles: and pollution grows wild | 16:45 |
| hugolp | not anyone else is having problems whith the wireless connection disconecting after a big time, though the network tasbar says its connected? | 16:45 |
| hugolp | OS2008 N800 | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | michele_, your average sedan hardly put out anything. :P | 16:46 |
| Lynoure | Dist: I don't think me having a N800 is very surprising :) | 16:46 |
| jorgen | AD-N770: Think it'll make a difference on the performance that i'm seeing from gst_element_link_filtered? | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | catalytic converts are a highly effective piece of technology. | 16:46 |
| Lynoure | Dist: meet irl someday again? That would be surprising... | 16:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I like being able to get where I want to go in a reasonable amount of time. | 16:46 |
| Dist | Lynoure: It would, I also got N810 the first week it was available here.. =) | 16:47 |
| * Lynoure is permanently one wave behind in cool gadgets (cheaper that way) =) | 16:47 | |
| Dist | Hehe, true | 16:47 |
| hugolp | Dist: they tryed the gps thing here but they took it off cause it made more obvious that the buses would never get on time | 16:47 |
| Dist | My GPS - WLAN mapper is getting a bit useless now that Skyhook and Google does this already :< | 16:47 |
| Lynoure | Dist: yes, kinda drooling N810, but only getting it once I'm sure I'd use it for work | 16:47 |
| AD-N770 | jorgen: yes | 16:48 |
| AD-N770 | jorgen: you should create the appropriate pipeline to your need | 16:48 |
| jorgen | AD-N770: I'll give it a shot and see :) | 16:48 |
| AD-N770 | jorgen: you can remove ffmpegcolorspace if you can deal you yuv data in your app | 16:49 |
| fysa | GeneralAntilles: you're in Florida also? | 16:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yessir. | 16:50 |
| fysa | near Tampa perchance? | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | St. Petersburg when I'm not at school. ;) | 16:50 |
| Tak | wow | 16:50 |
| AD-N770 | jorgen: sample minimalist pipeline, gst-launch-0.10 -v v4l2src ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=640,height=480,framerate=\(fraction\)8/1 ! xvimagesink | 16:50 |
| fysa | very cool. Just moved from Pass-a-grille. | 16:50 |
| Tak | that's three of us in-channel | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice area. | 16:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles high-fives the Floridians! | 16:50 | |
| fysa | Living right off the strip in Ybor now.. | 16:50 |
| * Tak ^5 | 16:50 | |
| Dist | Lynoure: Well, it's not that different, just 200e more for physical keyboard and somewhat crappy gps.. | 16:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, how is that? <_< | 16:51 |
| lardman | regarding using those bar codes on phones: http://mobilecodes.nokia.com/ | 16:51 |
| * GeneralAntilles still thinks of Ybor as the place one would go to experience a mugging. | 16:51 | |
| fysa | not bad, actually. Ghost town Sun - Weds, gets a little loud on the weekends but having everything in walking distance is nice. Wife goes to UT and the commute from St. Pete Beach was torture. | 16:51 |
| jorgen | AD-N770: That sounds more appropriate. Suppose I use this minimalist pipeline, what's the bearing of that on my ability to eventually hand this off to be stored as a jpeg? | 16:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can imagine. | 16:52 |
| fysa | There are a couple of bad clubs -- one just shut down. | 16:52 |
| Dist | hugolp: Your wireless basestation might not like some of the powersave functionality that it uses | 16:52 |
| Veggen | Dist: I kind of like the keyboard, though. I think it'll speed up typing significantly, making writing more acceptable. | 16:52 |
| fysa | If you stay away from that block, you're fine -- and even that block isn't too rowdy until 11+ | 16:52 |
| AD-N770 | jorgen: are you planning an offline motion detection or in real time? | 16:53 |
| fysa | we thought the same before we moved up.. | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Last time I was in Ybor was for the opening of the ATHF movie. | 16:53 |
| fysa | haha | 16:53 |
| Dist | Veggen: Sure, 2mm more space for the top row and I'd love it, but 200e more for that is a bit too much anyways | 16:53 |
| fysa | how old are you two? (Tak, GeneralAntilles) -- not that it really matters, just curious. | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just a little north of downtown | 16:53 |
| Veggen | Dist: agreed, price-wise it's a bit much. | 16:53 |
| Tak | heh - I think mine was to see a band at the orpheum | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Vinoy area | 16:53 |
| fysa | near Limey's? | 16:53 |
| * GeneralAntilles is 20. | 16:53 | |
| Tak | I'm an old man; my knees are withered, my nose is knackered | 16:53 |
| fysa | heh | 16:54 |
| AD-N770 | jorgen: I don't know if your app could be similar to my tuner tool, it perform fft on each second of audio captured on the dsppcmsrc | 16:54 |
| * fysa 27 | 16:54 | |
| hugolp | Dist: that might be the problem, specially if no one else is having this problem. What is curious is that I didnt have this problem with OS2007 | 16:54 |
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| AD-N770 | jorgen: if this is a good approach for you. You could work directly with raw video data searching the difference between two video buffers | 16:55 |
| jorgen | This sounds a lot like it, yeah. | 16:56 |
| jorgen | Not totally the same, but I could use the raw data instead. | 16:56 |
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| hugolp | also, does anybody knows if hildon gtk OS2008 has any problem loading .gif? | 17:00 |
| jorgen | AD-N770: Doh, not a registered user. | 17:00 |
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| AD-N770 | jorgen: ok, download my src code http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/n770galaxy/IT2008/tuner-0.0.3.tar.gz | 17:01 |
| AD-N770 | jorgen: I wrote a simple gstreamer element that uses kiss_fft to perform the fft on the signal | 17:01 |
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| AD-N770 | jorgen: and send a message with the pitch to the app | 17:02 |
| jorgens | AD-N770: Nice :) | 17:03 |
| Tak | AD-N770: how long until you've ported ultrastar-ng? ;-) | 17:04 |
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| AD-N770 | Tak: for me it's enough maintain nethack, I'm waiting my first daughter in 7 weeks, so very few time for games | 17:05 |
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| * Tak nods | 17:06 | |
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| Tak | there'll be lots of time to code when you're rocking her to sleep at 0300... | 17:06 |
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| crashanddie | Damnit, I just can't find out what the problem is with this damned Xephyr... | 17:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You're doing it incorrectly. | 17:11 |
| crashanddie | Yeah, probably | 17:11 |
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| lardman | Has anyone used the Python webcam interface with os2008? | 17:19 |
| * lardman is after a piece of existing code to modify | 17:19 | |
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| Cptnodegard | http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/18/keepin-it-real-fake-part-cvi-n800-gets-chinafied/ | 17:23 |
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| fysa | heh | 17:26 |
| fysa | the question is, how is the D-pad? ;) | 17:27 |
| Tak | doesn't look significantly different | 17:28 |
| tank-man | if it ran maemo, that would be cool | 17:29 |
| Tak | I doubt it does; 320x240 | 17:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cptnodegard, I beat you to it. :P | 17:29 |
| rghosh | lardman: I have, using pygst | 17:29 |
| Cptnodegard | ah, lol. got the link from another channel | 17:30 |
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| rm_you | morning | 17:30 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: STILL UP? >_> | 17:31 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: what *is* your schedule? :/ | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything I damn well want it to be, bitch! :P | 17:31 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:31 |
| rm_you | you're in the US right? | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | EST | 17:31 |
| rm_you | CST here, so it's even later for you :) | 17:31 |
| Tak | 000 - 2358: Chat on #maemo 2358 - 2359: Eat, sleep, etc | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm in college and sleep depravation is the world's cheapest narcotic. ;) | 17:32 |
| rm_you | I miss my responsibility free days (christmas break) when i could keep whatever schedule i want :/ | 17:32 |
| rm_you | now i have an 8:30 class | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | :( | 17:32 |
| rm_you | Asian Religions :/ | 17:32 |
| rm_you | interesting. but early. | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got 3 online-only classes this semester. | 17:32 |
| rm_you | heh | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's amazing. | 17:32 |
| rm_you | What college do you go to? | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Florida State | 17:33 |
| rm_you | cool | 17:33 |
| Tak | I had a math prof that loved to give 8am classes, so I had to be up at 8am every day my last three years | 17:33 |
| lardman | urg, I'm writing a MATLAB course | 17:33 |
| rm_you | Do you have an ACM chapter there? | 17:33 |
| Tak | hmm, I didn't know there was an fsu campus here | 17:33 |
| rm_you | lardman: scientific computing? | 17:33 |
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| lardman | rm_you: NDE EngDoc course | 17:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | [9:50am] <GeneralAntilles>St. Petersburg when I'm not at school. ;) | 17:34 |
| rm_you | lardman: ah. | 17:34 |
| rm_you | I wish I could get the profs here interested in maemo... | 17:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Buy them all N810s. :P | 17:35 |
| rm_you | I know at least one of them that could bring sooo much >_> | 17:35 |
| rm_you | Heh | 17:35 |
| rm_you | I might buy one of them an n800 :P he used a Zaurus too | 17:35 |
| rm_you | it still sits on his desk | 17:35 |
| rm_you | I'll poke him about it | 17:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got 770s to loan out for sales purposes. | 17:36 |
| rm_you | He does a bunch of research all the time anyway, why not something for maemo? :P | 17:36 |
| rm_you | He's got a Masters in CompSci and a PHD in Astrophysics >_> | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fun. | 17:36 |
| rm_you | some people are *too* smart :/ | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, or too attached to academia. | 17:37 |
| rm_you | heh | 17:37 |
| lardman | I keep planning to use Octave on the N8x0 for data processing, just that my files are a bit too big | 17:37 |
| rm_you | he's still working on a BS in mathematics >_< | 17:37 |
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| rm_you | Well, n800 prices are coming down, so I might be able to convince him :) | 17:37 |
| rm_you | I wish I had started with my n800 like 6 months earlier (sometime in April of last year would have worked...) | 17:38 |
| rm_you | cause then I would be doing a thesis project with it :/ | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'd guaranteed you a discount code. :P | 17:38 |
| rm_you | yeah except i'd fail my thesis | 17:38 |
| rm_you | cause i wouldnt ever get a device >_> | 17:39 |
| lardman | rm_you: what's your project then? | 17:39 |
| rm_you | lardman: instead of thesis, i'm doing the generic senior capstone (senior software project) | 17:39 |
| rm_you | i'm a team lead for a project for some company | 17:39 |
| rm_you | like, all students on my team... but at least it's a real world project :) | 17:40 |
| lardman | that's a useful thing to do, experience is always good | 17:40 |
| rm_you | yeah... | 17:40 |
| rm_you | Publishing a paper on A2DP encoding in a DSP would be cooler :) | 17:40 |
| alterego | Well, my scratchbox development virtual machine is awesome :) | 17:40 |
| lardman | rm_you: yes :) | 17:40 |
| alterego | And complete for maemo4 development with both sbox and sbox2 SDK's :) | 17:40 |
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| rm_you | lardman: i still vote that you should work on that :) | 17:41 |
| rm_you | lardman: because, you know... your schedule is democratic :P | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Package it up and stick it on the internet for us, alterego. | 17:41 |
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| alterego | GeneralAntilles, I'll do a public version sure :) | 17:41 |
| lardman | rm_you: I'll get round to it; bit busy writing this course this week, then teaching it next week, then I should have some time | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, we can't expect to enforce that with the honor code, though. | 17:41 |
| rm_you | heh yeah | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | More drastic measures are called for. | 17:41 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: you never answered my question about ACM :P | 17:42 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles, I'll do releases for qemu/kvm _and_ vmware as it's easy to do both :) | 17:42 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: do you have an ACM chapter/club there? | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Remind me, rm_you. | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't looked into it. | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why? | 17:43 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: wondering if you do, if they field a programming team for the ACM regional programming competitions | 17:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~acm/ | 17:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Evidently | 17:44 |
| rm_you | hrm | 17:45 |
| rm_you | I'm the webmaster for the ACM here :P | 17:45 |
| rm_you | thus why all my packages are in ~acm/debs/ | 17:45 |
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| rm_you | (the acm account has no quota! :P) | 17:45 |
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| rm_you | I just find it interesting that you haven't looked into it :) | 17:45 |
| rm_you | it was one of the first things I did when I came here | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm far too lazy. | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never heard of them before, though. | 17:46 |
| rm_you | heh | 17:46 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is in the gun club. | 17:46 | |
| rm_you | lol | 17:46 |
| rm_you | Ah, they do Southeast Region anyway :( | 17:46 |
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| rm_you | We're in South Central | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Target shooting is relaxing, programming is not. | 17:47 |
| rm_you | heh | 17:47 |
| Tak | alterego: were there any major gotchas with sb2 ? | 17:47 |
| rm_you | So, you're a maemo/n800 guy, just not into compsci? :P | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | compsci major | 17:47 |
| rm_you | but you don't like programming? :( | 17:48 |
| rm_you | that's unfortunate | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like it. | 17:48 |
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| Tak | not every computer scientist is into acm | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just not relaxing. ;) | 17:48 |
| alterego | Tak, installation no. But it's very different to using sbox 1 and you can't run the desktop in Xephyr or whatever at the moment. So software has to be tested either in sbox 1 or on a device. | 17:48 |
| rm_you | Tak: obviously :) | 17:48 |
| rm_you | I just thought most computer scientists liked programming :( | 17:48 |
| alterego | Tak, oh. And you only get the target target. No i386 build target. | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't looked into any of the extra-curricular stuff for compsci we have here. | 17:48 |
| rm_you | Well, i guess I know a lot of people here who don't, actually... now that I think about it :) | 17:48 |
| alterego | It's neat though, it's really nice. As you can use your _own_ home directory for once :D | 17:49 |
| Tak | alterego: that's ok - I never use xephyr or the x86 target ;-) | 17:50 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: can you get one of your n00b friends to test the deb for that applet? ^_^ | 17:50 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it ready? | 17:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tuco800! | 17:51 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ready? i'm not sure :P but it's up | 17:51 |
| rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.5-1_armel.deb | 17:52 |
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| rm_you | haven't tested it yet, packaged it up and went to sleep >_> | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll let you know if it bricks my device. | 17:52 |
| alterego | rm_you, how is it advanced? | 17:52 |
| rm_you | inz: thanks again for the help with that BTW :P I left your name in there for "debianized by" :P | 17:52 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: lol | 17:52 |
| rm_you | alterego: erm... some? :P | 17:52 |
| rm_you | alterego: it lets you pick all 127 brightness levels | 17:53 |
| rm_you | err, 128 | 17:53 |
| alterego | Oh, that's nice. | 17:53 |
| rm_you | no custom kernel anymore, either | 17:53 |
| alterego | Does it do fade ins and outs? :P | 17:53 |
| rm_you | yes | 17:53 |
| rm_you | still does fades | 17:53 |
| rm_you | not sure if that's a good thing or not | 17:53 |
| alterego | Cool. | 17:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's basically transparent to the built-in applet | 17:54 |
| rm_you | except that the popup still looks ugly, IMO >_> no frame border | 17:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | aside from the mildly ugly GUI and slight slowness. | 17:54 |
| inz | rm, no prob, but please remove my name, I want nothing to do with it ;) | 17:54 |
| rm_you | inz: lolol | 17:54 |
| rm_you | inz: my code is too freaky to have your name anywhere near it? :P | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Appears to install fine over here. | 17:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | My n00bs are busy being worker bees or something. | 17:57 |
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| crashanddie | ok | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | so is it a real bad thing if I can't run af-sb-init.sh on the x86 version of my scratchbox of my install ? | 18:00 |
| alterego | crashanddie, yes. It means something is broken. | 18:01 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: heh ok | 18:01 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I guess I'll post this deb then | 18:01 |
| rm_you | maybe I'll start a garage project :/ | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | rtcomm update | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | alterego: yeah, but I've been searching for the problem for maybe like the last half day, and I need to get somewhere, instead of just losing time | 18:02 |
| alterego | Well, maybe you should attempt to reinstall your targets. | 18:02 |
| inz | rm, definitely | 18:02 |
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| DaniloCesar | Someone here is a maemo-mapper developer? | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's only one of those. | 18:04 |
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| alterego | There can be only one. | 18:05 |
| * GeneralAntilles cuts alterego in half with a big sword. | 18:06 | |
| zoran | so, it is alter and ego now? | 18:07 |
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| pyhimys | "It's better to burn out than to fade away" | 18:08 |
| alterego | It's actually Al Terego. | 18:09 |
| Sho_ | Sounds dangerous. | 18:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Greatest name ever. | 18:09 |
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| Sho_ | GeneralAntilles: btw, Nokia said the power on/off issue exists and is apparently software fixable ... not n00b error after all then ;) | 18:09 |
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| michele_ | pyhimys: I know that song! :) | 18:10 |
| rm_you | Anyone know a good linux HTML code editor? not visual... code :/ normally I use vim, but it doesn't do the html indentation and stuff very well apparently | 18:12 |
| Tak | bluefish? | 18:12 |
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| rm_you | Will try it | 18:13 |
| pyhimys | emacs? | 18:14 |
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| Sho_ | rm_you: Quanta | 18:14 |
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| rm_you | Sho_: will try that too | 18:15 |
| rm_you | pyhimys: no. :P | 18:15 |
| pyhimys | rm_you: heathen ;) | 18:16 |
| rm_you | pyhimys: i wish I had time for a religious war right now :P | 18:16 |
| rm_you | unfortunately, i have class in 6 minutes | 18:16 |
| rm_you | >_< | 18:16 |
| pyhimys | though I'm vi convert nowadays | 18:16 |
| rm_you | All hail vi :P | 18:16 |
| pyhimys | ed maybe! | 18:17 |
| _berto_ | lol -> http://home.cs.tum.edu/~siegel/index.php?page=news#20080118 | 18:17 |
| rm_you | ooo, Quanta looks like it does what i need | 18:17 |
| rm_you | lol | 18:17 |
| pyhimys | ed is the editor! | 18:17 |
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| hugolp | Does maemo gtk have some kind of problem with some type of gifs? I have some 70x70 pixels gif image that loads on scratchbox but it doesnt in the N800 in the same program | 18:20 |
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| alterego | Heh, my sbox SDK is 7.3G ^_^ | 18:26 |
| inz | rm, what's wrong with vim's autoindenting of html files? | 18:27 |
| alterego | The same thing that's wrong with vim! | 18:27 |
| alterego | :D | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | i.e. nothing? :P) | 18:27 |
| alterego | No, that doesn't make sense. | 18:28 |
| alterego | Something can't be nothing. | 18:28 |
| inz | Who said there was something wrong, I bet rm just didn't know how to use it ;) | 18:30 |
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| alterego | And that's suprising. | 18:30 |
| alterego | Machine is starting to slow down. | 18:31 |
| alterego | I think I should upgrade to a quad core machine soon. | 18:31 |
| hugolp | alterego: make it 8 core | 18:31 |
| alterego | I don't think that'd make much difference. | 18:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're not thinking big enough. | 18:32 |
| alterego | I'd rather not do that. | 18:32 |
| hugolp | why not? | 18:32 |
| alterego | Too much brain power involved. | 18:33 |
| zoran | having more cores doewn't mean it sould work the same times faster | 18:33 |
| hugolp | aha, your running short of brain power? ;) | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Parallelization is key, zoran. | 18:33 |
| zoran | RapidMind? | 18:33 |
| alterego | It is when I'm running several virtual machines. | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | If I had 8 cores, I'd just have 2 of them render Pixar movies all day. | 18:34 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:34 |
| alterego | Maybe it'd work better if I enabled multicore support in KVM and used 2 for each machine. | 18:34 |
| zoran | GeneralAntilles, try out rapidmind free toolkit to make it all working | 18:35 |
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| zoran | must be on the same box it was compiled | 18:35 |
| alterego | Interesting .. | 18:36 |
| hugolp | nobody had any problem with .gif images with gtk on the N800? I have some .gif that load fine in scratchbox but they dont in the N800 | 18:39 |
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| hugolp | the png images are loading fine, but the .gif no | 18:40 |
| rm_you | woo, back. class canceled <_< | 18:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | My profs last semester always did that with e-mails 10 minutes before it started. | 18:45 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yep. mine did too...>_> | 19:01 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: but I didn't check my email right before, because I was in a hurry :) | 19:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I always check the N800 just after I park. ;) | 19:01 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: mmm... I just fixed a serious (and annoying) bug on my asian religion prof's course webpage and emailed him about how to fix it. :) | 19:02 |
| rm_you | I think it's been broken for like 5 years | 19:02 |
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| rm_you | (only works in IE, unreadable text overlapping in anything else, which means Mac/Linux users are boned) | 19:03 |
| rm_you | I wonder what kind of karma that is worth :P | 19:03 |
| korpios | Argh ... *no one* seems to know why my developer code doesn't work, or who I need to talk to in order to get it fixed. :-( | 19:03 |
| rm_you | korpios: i dont think anyone's developer codes work | 19:03 |
| rm_you | korpios: you're definately not alone | 19:03 |
| korpios | rm_you: really? heh | 19:03 |
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| lcuk_2 | if your developers code does not work just revert to an earlier version in cvs | 19:04 |
| rm_you | i don't know for sure, since i dont actually have a code... but from all the spam i've been getting on the Maemodev mailing list (and what people say here), they were still broken last time i checked | 19:04 |
| korpios | lcuk_2: hah ^_^ | 19:04 |
| rm_you | lcuk_2: lol | 19:04 |
| rm_you | lcuk_2: what if it NEVER worked? :P | 19:05 |
| lcuk_2 | lol rm - thats just design issues | 19:05 |
| rm_you | :P | 19:05 |
| lcuk_2 | ive heard lots of grumbles about the dev codes though and nokia need to get their selves sorted | 19:05 |
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| lcuk_2 | there are people wanting to help and they arent letting them | 19:05 |
| lcuk_2 | rm - speaking of which - the update script from brightness app left files in the system with invalid names (becauseit replaced running files before they were closed) | 19:06 |
| lcuk_2 | there was a desktop file with a filename of "[unprintable square]" | 19:06 |
| * lcuk_2 deleted them after sussing how to rename things which you cannot type | 19:07 | |
| rm_you | lcuk_2: the script in 0.4b should REMOVE the old files, and then add the new ones | 19:07 |
| rm_you | lcuk_2: when the .desktop file is removed, the plugin auto-unloads | 19:07 |
| rm_you | lcuk_2: at least, it does on my system | 19:08 |
| lcuk_2 | yer i know, but it left those 2 files - the desktop and the .ko but they had no proper filenames - it took me a while to suss out what they were - i couldnt even view it from shell or scp until after i fixed the name | 19:08 |
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| lcuk_2 | its not important but they were deffo there | 19:09 |
| rm_you | lcuk_2: hrm | 19:09 |
| rm_you | lcuk_2: you're positive they were from my app? | 19:09 |
| rm_you | how's this for a garage name: Advanced Backlight Statusbar Applet | 19:10 |
| lcuk_2 | yer, when i got the name sorted it was your .desktop file and the blank.ko was the same size and date as the older .ko (scp wouldnt view binary in internal editor) | 19:11 |
| lcuk_2 | i just culled them but if you like ill see if i can reproduce just for academic purposes | 19:11 |
| michele_ | rm_you: what? you actually wrote the code before deciding the name and opening the project?! | 19:12 |
| rm_you | michele_: ... yes :P | 19:12 |
| lcuk_2 | lol michele - isnt that the best way to code | 19:12 |
| rm_you | michele_: it was an accident? :P | 19:12 |
| rm_you | Code first, ask questions later >_> | 19:12 |
| rm_you | bad for large projects, but for SMAAAAAL ones, it works just fine :/ | 19:12 |
| rm_you | *SMAAAAAALL | 19:13 |
| lcuk_2 | rm, have you made changes to it since because there is a couple of things i woul;d offer | 19:13 |
| rm_you | lcuk_2: go for it | 19:13 |
| rm_you | lcuk_2: do you have version 0.5? | 19:13 |
| rm_you | it's a deb now | 19:13 |
| rm_you | also, it looks like a popup, not a full window | 19:13 |
| lcuk_2 | nope, ill grab it when im not VNCing into home machine from work later on... | 19:13 |
| rm_you | and it's less lag inducing | 19:13 |
| rm_you | i replaced a system() call with a g_spawn_async | 19:13 |
| lcuk_2 | awww damn - iwas gonna say since you have loads of screen estate it would be nice to have a big button that says "dimmest" and another that says "brightest | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 19:14 |
| lcuk_2 | so you dont have to fiddle and hit the right tiny target | 19:14 |
| rm_you | heh | 19:14 |
| rm_you | it's easy for that... | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, tap'n'drag | 19:14 |
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| rm_you | grab the center of the bar and pull way past the edges of the bar | 19:14 |
| rm_you | automatically goes to the highest/lowest value | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just hit it somewhere in the middle and zing it to one side or the other like you're putting the last flourish on John Hancock's signature. | 19:14 |
| lcuk_2 | itap and drag needs a stylus which is tucked away - i do most i can without it and fingers are fat on skinny scrollbars | 19:15 |
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| lcuk_2 | i keep missing if its the same size as it was | 19:15 |
| rm_you | so, again... | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 19:15 |
| rm_you | how's this for a garage name: Advanced Backlight Statusbar Applet | 19:15 |
| lcuk_2 | sharpens his fingers | 19:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too mundane. :P | 19:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | FNF | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fixing Nokia's Fail | 19:16 |
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| rm_you | lol | 19:16 |
| rm_you | hrm | 19:16 |
| rm_you | advanced-backlight is too long for the garage url >_> | 19:16 |
| lcuk_2 | does it still go to ULTRA dark (ie off) on the 810? | 19:17 |
| rm_you | lcuk_2: yes | 19:17 |
| rm_you | lcuk_2: but not on n800 | 19:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | off is fewer characters than "ULTRA dark" | 19:17 |
| lcuk_2 | lol oh poo i keep clicking once to far and needing to open keyboard, blinding myself and cursing... | 19:17 |
| rm_you | lcuk_2: it also has the one step +/- buttons... | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Time for a setting, rm_you. | 19:18 |
| lcuk_2 | yer click, click click click DAMN | 19:18 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ? | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | For step 0 | 19:18 |
| rm_you | ah | 19:18 |
| rm_you | do n800 users want to be able to turn off the backlight? | 19:18 |
| rm_you | that's very n00b dangerous :( | 19:18 |
| rm_you | I thought about a checkbox... | 19:18 |
| rm_you | [ ] ALLOW DANGER | 19:18 |
| rm_you | [X] ALLOW DANGER | 19:19 |
| rm_you | :P | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, mostly, I was thinking for N810 users. | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like lcuk_2. | 19:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That should be the entire prefs dialog for every application. | 19:19 |
| rm_you | heh | 19:19 |
| rm_you | maybe in a later version | 19:19 |
| rm_you | so, i need a project full name, and a unix name | 19:19 |
| rm_you | adv-backlight works for unix name i guess... | 19:19 |
| lcuk_2 | oh - i noticed something else, when its on minimum its great, when i lock device the screen BRIGHTENS | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the project name should depend on how far you plan on taking it. | 19:20 |
| rm_you | :/ | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, just go to /etc/mce/mce.ini and turn off dimming for locking. | 19:20 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ooo, can i make it turn OFF the screen when locking, like it used to? :P | 19:21 |
| lcuk_2 | .... yer GeneralAntilles, can we have that, can we, can we? | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | /etc/mce/mce.ini answers all! | 19:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | (well commented, too) | 19:21 |
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| lcuk_2 | thanks GeneralAntilles | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yessir | 19:22 |
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| * lcuk_2 wonders what good stuf gen has pushed out with his unlimited knowledge of the maemo platform | 19:23 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh, nothing? :P | 19:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | My great works are beating up n00bs on ITT and shuffling paper stacks on bugzilla. | 19:23 |
| lcuk_2 | i must admit, having the nokia has made like easier | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | My creative energy has been directed at video game content creation. | 19:24 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ah :P neat. what kind of content? | 19:24 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I'm starting an MMO project with a bunch of friends this semester | 19:24 |
| rm_you | called NIAGRA :) | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Models and textures for mappers in Tremulous and models, textures, sounds and physics work for Redline. | 19:25 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: neat. | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3rd-party stuff | 19:25 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: when we get to the point where we need some models, I'll poke at you maybe :P | 19:25 |
| * GeneralAntilles is a Cinema 4D wizard. | 19:25 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, ok. | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just don't ask for organics. ;) | 19:26 |
| rm_you | NIAGRA is going to be *awesome*, if it gets off the ground properly | 19:26 |
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| lcuk_2 | rm, will you still be here in about nhour | 19:26 |
| rm_you | starting projects with multiple people is hard :/ | 19:26 |
| rm_you | lcuk_2: no... class in an hour, exactly | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | No kidding, rm_you. | 19:26 |
| michele_ | rm_you, lcuk_2: no, most projects on garage (and on sourceforge, etc) are first of all a name. and remain that way most of the time. | 19:26 |
| * michele_ is kinda slow | 19:27 | |
| lcuk_2 | dang maybe ill catch you over the weekend i wanna peck your head about somefink (hopefully minor) | 19:27 |
| rm_you | kk | 19:27 |
| lcuk_2 | michele_, i suppose if you pick the wrong name you suffer for life | 19:27 |
| rm_you | michele_: lol.... that's not how I roll :P | 19:27 |
| lcuk_2 | anyway time for the commute home | 19:27 |
| rm_you | michele_: well, except for... of course... NIAGRA :P | 19:27 |
| rm_you | that is a name and a Trac/SVN | 19:28 |
| rm_you | and not so much code yet :P | 19:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I want the MMO: "Reality: The Game" | 19:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | All simulator software rolled into one giant simulation | 19:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | with lots and lots of people. | 19:30 |
| j0tt | simple: just start "camera" :) | 19:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You die in Reality, you die in real life. | 19:31 |
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| michele_ | 'nite folks | 19:37 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: the principles behind NIAGRA are similar :P | 19:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | So it's a hardware bundle? | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Taser-neckbands? | 19:46 |
| rm_you | well... no | 19:46 |
| rm_you | all the software side of it | 19:46 |
| rm_you | as realistic as possible | 19:46 |
| rm_you | hardware plugins would be feasible :P | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | You die and it sudo rm -rf / for you? | 19:46 |
| rm_you | lol | 19:46 |
| rm_you | actually, i was just afk for like 5 minutes having a NIAGRA developers meeting :P | 19:47 |
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| rm_you | AGAIN: "Advanced Backlight Statusbar Applet" sound decent? | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a little utilitarian. | 19:49 |
| rm_you | ? | 19:49 |
| rm_you | so... suggestions? | 19:49 |
| Tak | plus the acronym doesn't spell anything cool | 19:49 |
| rm_you | lol | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | How about dropping Statusbar? | 19:49 |
| rm_you | and you haven't even asked what NIAGRA is :P | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | ABA | 19:49 |
| rm_you | sure | 19:50 |
| rm_you | using that | 19:50 |
| rm_you | hrm, i need to be approved? :/ | 19:51 |
| rm_you | let the waiting begin... | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Usually takes a day or two. | 19:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure why they even bother. | 19:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So many dead projects. | 19:53 |
| rm_you | Any garage admins on? approve my project! :P | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | *@nokia.com | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | "APROVE MY PROJECT PLZ" | 19:54 |
| rm_you | lol | 19:54 |
| rm_you | i doubt that would motivate them to approve me :P | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | "APROVE MY PROJECT PLZ, OR ILL BE RLY MAD" | 19:55 |
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| inz | And they answer: "O RLY" | 19:55 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: do i have to restart anything when i change that mce.ini? | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, everything. | 19:56 |
| rm_you | :/ | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just reboot. :P | 19:57 |
| rm_you | >_< | 19:57 |
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| rm_you | sorry, i just hate rebooting anything linux :/ | 19:58 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: so... that SVG bootlogo works... SOMETIMES. >_> | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | SVG? | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really? | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just used .png | 19:58 |
| rm_you | heh | 19:58 |
| rm_you | i just copied the file | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | .png works 100% for me | 19:59 |
| rm_you | yeah | 19:59 |
| rm_you | err | 19:59 |
| rm_you | i thought his was an SVG | 19:59 |
| rm_you | maybe it is a png >_> | 19:59 |
| rm_you | either way, it only works *sometimes* | 19:59 |
| rm_you | but i didn't resize it like you did | 19:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Resizing doesn't matter | 19:59 |
| rm_you | meh | 19:59 |
| rm_you | dunno | 19:59 |
| rm_you | it works *sometimes*, thats all i know | 19:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | By "sometimes" you don't mean shows the normal logo for 5 seconds then works normally? | 20:00 |
| rm_you | and it takes a while to load, still get the old nokia logo for a while... but i think thats normal | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is | 20:00 |
| rm_you | no, sometimes it NEVER loads | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm fairly certain that's on one of the cold-flash sectors. | 20:00 |
| rm_you | and it just goes from old nokia to new maemo loading | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | chelli is supposedly testing on that, so we'll know for sure soon enough. | 20:00 |
| rm_you | :P | 20:00 |
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| Tak | I suggest "I CAN HAZ PROJECT?" | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go for the phishing approach | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | "I am a deposed Nigerian prince. I have millions of dollars that I cannot access until I get my project approved for your website." | 20:03 |
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| rm_you | lol | 20:17 |
| * rm_you leaves for class | 20:17 | |
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| unique311 | grandcentral down for anybody else? | 20:18 |
| unique311 | i hate when stuff belonging to google goes down. | 20:18 |
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| unique311 | this is fecked up. | 20:19 |
| unique311 | my free calls.. :( | 20:19 |
| unique311 | can someone try to access the site? http://www.grandcentral.com | 20:20 |
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| wnd | no response of any kind | 20:21 |
| unique311 | first youtube, now grandcentral. | 20:22 |
| unique311 | back up | 20:25 |
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| b0unc3 | shit... my n810 won't boot up anymore :-( | 20:26 |
| b0unc3 | and I don't know why :-( | 20:27 |
| vegai | perhaps you need a nifty usb->hacked usb-switch->serial port devkit.. | 20:28 |
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| b0unc3 | yes... maybe... it would be useful in this situation... | 20:28 |
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| Tak | meh, my mmc card keeps going read-only | 20:31 |
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| inz | b0unc3, put it into freezer for a while and retry? | 20:32 |
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| inz | b0unc3, see http://blog.homac.de/?p=58 | 20:32 |
| unique311 | put and freezer and call me in the morning..lol | 20:34 |
| unique311 | is this only a n810 issue? | 20:34 |
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| unique311 | and = in | 20:35 |
| unique311 | how do i use that bot | 20:35 |
| unique311 | and/in/s | 20:35 |
| rm_you|n800|clas | is there a .doc viewer for os2008 yet? | 20:35 |
| unique311 | s/and/in | 20:35 |
| unique311 | ok, i suck | 20:35 |
| b0unc3 | inz: it's winter here... so I can put it on balcony for 30minutes... | 20:36 |
| rm_you|n800|clas | lcuk_2: i'm here | 20:37 |
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| fysa | GeneralAntilles: [reading scrollback] Cinema 4D was released for the Amiga, which we can emulate in UAE. ;) | 20:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've been using since version 5. ;) | 20:38 |
| fysa | http://www.intuitionbase.com/screen/newsnap2.jpg | 20:38 |
| fysa | was a Lightwave guy.. | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tried lightwave, didn't like it. | 20:38 |
| fysa | been meaning to try Maya, but no time to get back into graphics | 20:39 |
| fysa | http://www.cinema4d.tv/kani/r1.jpg | 20:39 |
| fysa | that looks like it would even almost be usable at our resolution ;) | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Used Infini | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | -D | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Before C4D | 20:40 |
| fysa | cool | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Had a stint with Strata, too. | 20:41 |
| lcuk_2 | wow rm - i wasn't ive had an emergency surgery to do involving resoldering a button on | 20:41 |
| * lcuk_2 hates getting home after the normal shops have closed and refuses to pay pcworld prices ;) | 20:42 | |
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| lcuk_2 | gen - did you ever try real3d on the amiga (before lightwave if i remember rightly) | 20:45 |
| * GeneralAntilles has never used an Amiga | 20:45 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Been a Mac guy for most the time I've been alive. | 20:45 |
| fysa | lucky | 20:45 |
| lcuk_2 | thats fair enough | 20:45 |
| fysa | there's a good 5-6 years there between my Amiga getting outdated and Macs getting decent ;) | 20:46 |
| rm_you|n800|clas | heh | 20:46 |
| fysa | ended up hopping between Windows and Linux at least twice a year until OS X.. | 20:46 |
| lcuk_2 | fysa, i suffered in that gap, unfortunately i ended up having to get a pc | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I used a Performa 400 until 1999 | 20:46 |
| * lcuk_2 still regrets taking that path | 20:46 | |
| fysa | heh | 20:46 |
| fysa | Amiga 3000 w/40MHz 68040 accelerator ;) | 20:46 |
| rm_you|n800|clas | n800 + class + campuswide wireless = me here :P | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | 16MHz 32-bit CPU on a 16-bit bus. | 20:47 |
| fysa | I think I paid $1600 for that thing. | 20:47 |
| fysa | http://fysa.net/3d/jk1.jpg | 20:47 |
| lcuk_2 | i had a 1200 and a 40mhz '030 | 20:47 |
| fysa | http://fysa.net/3d/lion1.jpg | 20:47 |
| fysa | those are almost 10 years old now. | 20:47 |
| fysa | cool. started on a C64 and A500. | 20:48 |
| lcuk_2 | if i had a 2.3" atapi adapter im sure i could fire up my amiga drive as well | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wish I still had some of my old stuff. | 20:48 |
| lcuk_2 | 2.5^ | 20:48 |
| lcuk_2 | 245mb quantum fireball | 20:48 |
| fysa | heh | 20:48 |
| lcuk_2 | i bet my code would still compile | 20:48 |
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| fysa | I bet I can still recover names, addresses and passwords for all of my BBS users ;) | 20:49 |
| lcuk_2 | infact, crap on the day it died i was compiling | 20:49 |
| wnd | I replaced my 3.5" hdd for a1200 with a 2 GiB CF just last autumn | 20:49 |
| lcuk_2 | when you walk down a path you remember the way the trees look :) | 20:49 |
| lcuk_2 | 3.5 was a hack - 2.5 fitted properly | 20:50 |
| fysa | haha | 20:50 |
| fysa | did you see the new Amiga PCB someone released? | 20:50 |
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| lcuk_2 | amiga one? | 20:50 |
| fysa | http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/node/1475 | 20:50 |
| lcuk_2 | arent people trying to use amiga name as a PDA games virtual OS | 20:50 |
| fysa | I hope so. | 20:50 |
| fysa | The resolution and lightweight OS would be perfect for a handheld. | 20:51 |
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| lcuk_2 | yer, but sitting it ontop of the host machine OS (linux/pocket pc/symbian) wouldnt be so great | 20:51 |
| wnd | 3.5" would fit in after cutting some of the metallic shield inside. my quantum hdd was a little too big so I couldn't screw the case back in one piece. then again I also had an ata-cable coming out for a cd-drive. | 20:51 |
| fysa | well, depends on what the CPU is. | 20:52 |
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| lcuk_2 | i would like it if they released it for the n8x0 as a standalone | 20:52 |
| lcuk_2 | :O | 20:52 |
| lcuk_2 | click | 20:52 |
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| lcuk_2 | click | 20:52 |
| lcuk_2 | click | 20:52 |
| * lcuk_2 is being an amiga disk drive ;) | 20:53 | |
| fysa | haha | 20:53 |
| lcuk_2 | i forgot that that used to be the ONLY noise in my room | 20:53 |
| fysa | if they gave us a Coldfire CPU or something.. | 20:53 |
| lcuk_2 | even with the quitedrive thing it still did it | 20:53 |
| lcuk_2 | right, need to give directions to my better half, back later | 20:53 |
| fysa | later | 20:54 |
| wnd | if you had a hard drive you could always leave a non-bootable floppy in the drive. that would effectively kill the clicks. | 20:57 |
| pupnik | i wish my brain could listen to stuff and read stuff at the same time | 20:58 |
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| rm_you|n800|clas | pupnik: yep ;/ | 21:00 |
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| Blafasel | Yay, finally! | 21:15 |
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| rm_you|n800|clas | ;p | 21:15 |
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| yatiohi | hello there! I just got my n810, and i m trying to switch the keyboard to the secondary language | 21:22 |
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| yatiohi | Is there a keyboard shortcut for this? | 21:24 |
| GNUro | Hi | 21:24 |
| GNUro | has everyone compiled cmake for maemo? | 21:24 |
| GNUro | s/everyone/anyone | 21:25 |
| wnd | yatiohi, holding ctrl and pressing chr says "Keyboard layout switched" | 21:27 |
| s1d | stupid question when building programs in scratchbox using autoconf what should i use as the --host ? | 21:27 |
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| wnd | iirc you should just omit that option | 21:28 |
| s1d | i've been trying --host arm ..etc and some variations with no luck | 21:28 |
| s1d | this is the error i'm getting with ./configure | 21:29 |
| s1d | checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. | 21:29 |
| s1d | If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'. | 21:29 |
| Tak | omit that option | 21:29 |
| s1d | when i build my own code, which is usually just built with a really limited makefile things work fine and arm/elf's are produced no problem, i just can't seem to figure out what to do :) | 21:29 |
| s1d | that's a log from running with out any options appended to the ./configure call | 21:30 |
| Blafasel | Yeah, great. They put a sticker right on top of my display protection.. Argh! | 21:31 |
| Blafasel | Any hints where I can order some good new ones? | 21:31 |
| pupnik | the display protection is not designed for actual use, afaik | 21:31 |
| zuh | s1d: look at config.log to find out exactly why it didn't work, sounds like you have broken CPU transparency setup | 21:32 |
| wnd | "cannot run C compiled"... I think something like "sb-conf install -c" helped for that. I can't remember exactly what it was, it's been a long time since that happened to me. | 21:32 |
| Blafasel | pupnik: So what#s recommended? Using a good bag only for protection? | 21:32 |
| yatiohi | wnd: it does say "keyboard language switched" but it still shows english characters | 21:33 |
| pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?q=n810+%22screen+protector%22 | 21:33 |
| pupnik | i haven't bought one yet | 21:33 |
| wnd | yatiohi, on my finnish keyboard layout it switches between finnish and danish/norweigian layouts and it's practically useless to me. I wish it switched between finnish and british. anyway if it didn't do what you wanted it to do, there are no other keyboard layout shortcuts I'm aware of. | 21:34 |
| yatiohi | wnd: I see. Thanks :) | 21:35 |
| s1d | ah zuh you were right :) | 21:36 |
| zuh | That's pretty common these days. I wonder why. | 21:37 |
| zuh | :P | 21:37 |
| s1d | hehe | 21:38 |
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| DaniloCesar | I'm trying to compile maemo-mapper on my chinook-sdk, but "./configure" is returning a error "Install libgdbm-dev". But this lib is not ins chinook repositories. Where can I find it? | 21:54 |
| b0unc3 | uff... my n810 won't boot... damn... | 21:54 |
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| s1d | word zuh transparency and ./configure are working 100% now :) thanks for the tip | 22:00 |
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| DaniloCesar | someone know where can I find libgdbm-dev for chinook's SDK? | 22:07 |
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| Jon | hello folks, I'm trying to build maemopad+, having some trouble finding some dev library packages. hildon-fm for one, ossohelp, hildon-libs... which repo do they live in? | 22:18 |
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| michele_ | I loosely inserted the SD card, it disconnected while in use and now the device will just keep rebooting | 22:21 |
| michele_ | great, isn't it? | 22:21 |
| * michele_ hopes reflashing fixes it... | 22:21 | |
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| lcuk_2 | michele_, thats not good, i hope it works as well | 22:22 |
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| * lcuk_2 wishes you never had to reflash ever | 22:22 | |
| * michele_ too | 22:23 | |
| lcuk_2 | will you lose much? | 22:23 |
| michele_ | not a problem | 22:23 |
| lcuk_2 | (as in, do you have stuff installed from debs | 22:23 |
| * lcuk_2 hates having to refind them.. | 22:24 | |
| michele_ | yes, but the device itself is much more valuable | 22:24 |
| lcuk_2 | good point | 22:24 |
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| lcuk_2 | best cross your fingers toes headphones and anything else | 22:24 |
| kulve | Jon: those are 2007 libs.. | 22:25 |
| michele_ | rebooting | 22:25 |
| michele_ | phew | 22:26 |
| * michele_ does a little dance | 22:26 | |
| lcuk_2 | glad it worked for you | 22:26 |
| kulve | the packages installed from repos can be restored (if one has remembered to do backups..) | 22:27 |
| michele_ | as I said, that's not a problem :) | 22:27 |
| michele_ | it's not like the thing has thousands of packages... | 22:27 |
| lcuk_2 | then you aren't trying hard enough :P | 22:28 |
| lcuk_2 | you're not a proper linux user until you have at least 17 media players | 22:28 |
| michele_ | or you start your own | 22:29 |
| michele_ | (which I might do) | 22:29 |
| lcuk_2 | PMSL yer | 22:29 |
| * lcuk_2 has 3 - is still a pipsqueek | 22:29 | |
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| michele_ | I think the included one would be fine if it had covers and finger scrolling instead of that lame scrollbar | 22:30 |
| lcuk_2 | that scrollbar is the only one i can nearly use with my finger | 22:30 |
| lcuk_2 | the others around are too thing | 22:31 |
| lcuk_2 | -g | 22:31 |
| felipec | michele_: would you use GStreamer? | 22:31 |
| michele_ | felipec: yes | 22:31 |
| felipec | michele_: if you do, and plan to do something lightweight then count me in ;) | 22:32 |
| michele_ | felipec: I'd like just plain gtk widgets and a library browser | 22:33 |
| michele_ | nothing fancy | 22:33 |
| kulve | kilikali needs a new UI :) | 22:33 |
| michele_ | what's that? | 22:33 |
| kulve | simple media player | 22:34 |
| kulve | with ugly UI | 22:34 |
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| kulve | but the gstreamer side of it should work pretty well | 22:34 |
| michele_ | I think it's the only one I haven't seen yet... | 22:34 |
| michele_ | link? | 22:34 |
| trevarthan | so... what's the best language to develop a commercial application for maemo in? | 22:34 |
| kulve | c | 22:34 |
| elb | "the best language" is almost never a reasonable question to ask, unless you have a specific use in mind | 22:34 |
| kulve | michele_: http://garage.maemo.org/projects/kilikali/ | 22:34 |
| trevarthan | ick. no OOP. is C++ the next best choice? | 22:34 |
| elb | and, as you may or may not be aware, OOP is a programming style, not a language feature | 22:35 |
| michele_ | trevarthan: vala | 22:35 |
| lcuk_2 | trev, all depends on usage and deployment targets | 22:35 |
| kulve | python seems to be popular nowadays | 22:35 |
| michele_ | and what elb said | 22:35 |
| trevarthan | I'd prefer to use Python, but I'm concerned about piracy with Python. | 22:35 |
| michele_ | kulve: are you one of thedevelopers? | 22:36 |
| kulve | michele_: yup | 22:36 |
| elb | piracy is no easier with Python than with C | 22:36 |
| elb | copying is copying | 22:36 |
| michele_ | kulve: is the project alive? last release was in march... | 22:36 |
| trevarthan | elb: yeah, but product keys are a tiny bit harder to break in C/C++. | 22:36 |
| michele_ | ok last commit 5 days ago :) | 22:37 |
| michele_ | kulve: I'll look at it | 22:37 |
| lcuk_2 | piracy in an open source system... even with an open application you are protected from people using your BRAND. let others learn from your code as you are using open code gifted from your forefathers, but protect your identity :) | 22:37 |
| elb | you can write some critical functionality in C with "product keys" to protect it, and glue it all together with Python | 22:37 |
| kulve | michele_: see the svn. It's a live | 22:37 |
| kulve | there's newer releases too, just not on that page. They are in the repository | 22:37 |
| elb | frankly, though, with a response like "ick. no OOP.", I question the viability of any software your company would produce | 22:38 |
| lcuk_2 | "pproduct keys" and other encryption can be hidden perfectly well with open source formulas. the secret is not the formula, but the inital values | 22:38 |
| trevarthan | elb: why? I like to write code using OOP. What's wrong with that? | 22:38 |
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| elb | nothing at all | 22:38 |
| kulve | michele_: points of the kilikali are: c, gstreamer, simple UI, open source, reasonably light | 22:38 |
| kulve | michele_: and simple UI shouldn't mean ugly, like it is now :) | 22:39 |
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| trevarthan | lcuk_2: how? I'd like to read about it. | 22:39 |
| michele_ | kulve: you should try to push it to the maemo-extra repo... | 22:39 |
| kulve | it has some bad usability issues though. But it's pretty stable :) | 22:39 |
| elb | I prefer to write object-oriented code, as well -- and I do almost all of it in C | 22:39 |
| lcuk_2 | http://www.pgp.com/downloads/sourcecode/ | 22:40 |
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| elb | http://gnupg.org/ is a better reference, for that ;-) | 22:40 |
| lcuk_2 | yer it might be, but it serves the point | 22:40 |
| trevarthan | yeah, I know what pgp is, but I don't get how I could use it for product keys in a way that can't be easily hacked if the program is python. | 22:41 |
| lcuk_2 | what are you wanting to secure, the data created with your program or the program itself? | 22:42 |
| trevarthan | The program itself, unfortunately. | 22:42 |
| lcuk_2 | if its the program itself take a look around, you are in a linux environment which is built entirely from open source | 22:42 |
| trevarthan | I need to insure that it isn't copied and installed on another device without the customer buying another license. | 22:42 |
| lcuk_2 | not even the mighty microsoft can stop that | 22:43 |
| sp3000 | sucks to be you :) | 22:43 |
| trevarthan | yeah. they make it a lot harder than it would be if all their crap were written in python though. | 22:43 |
| lcuk_2 | not really | 22:44 |
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| lcuk_2 | write it in C++ and sell it. nobody will think any less of you for doing it | 22:46 |
| trevarthan | what I'm wondering is if it would affect sales if I wrote it in Python instead. | 22:46 |
| * lcuk_2 wants to sell support for his brand of product when he releases it | 22:46 | |
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| lcuk_2 | i dont care if people read/learn from the code | 22:47 |
| lcuk_2 | but if they want supporting on 20 computers then they must pay | 22:47 |
| lcuk_2 | i couldnt be damned (and would prefer it) if they DID install it on every single device | 22:47 |
| lcuk_2 | more devices = more eyes = better exposure | 22:47 |
| kulve | and if the code is propriatary nobody is allowed to use it in their stuff anyway.. | 22:47 |
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| trevarthan | I'm just not sure how valuable support would be for this product. I never use software support myself, so I don't know how much people want it. | 22:48 |
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| lcuk_2 | what kind of product is it | 22:49 |
| Jon | kulve: ah, thanks. I'd better check I setup my scratchbox for 2008 properly, then I'll poke at the source I'm trying to ubild. | 22:49 |
| * lcuk_2 hopes its not another media player ;) | 22:50 | |
| trevarthan | lcuk_2: no, not another media player. | 22:50 |
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| trevarthan | you folks ever wonder why there isn't more commercial software on the maemo platform? | 22:53 |
| trevarthan | Does that huge GPS bundle use software keys? | 22:54 |
| lcuk_2 | not really, but then again ive not looked having found what i need in OSS | 22:54 |
| lcuk_2 | dunno how it does it, I use maemomapper | 22:55 |
| michele_ | trevarthan: do you ever wonder how many pirated copies of windows there are in the world? | 22:55 |
| michele_ | trevarthan: the thing is, if somebody is motivated, your protection will be hacked | 22:55 |
| trevarthan | michele_: no. lots. I wonder how they make so much damn money when there's so much piracy thought. | 22:55 |
| trevarthan | s/thought/though/ | 22:56 |
| Tak | trevarthan meant: michele_: no. lots. I wonder how they make so much damn money when there's so much piracy though. | 22:56 |
| infobot | trevarthan meant: michele_: no. lots. I wonder how they make so much damn money when there's so much piracy though. | 22:56 |
| michele_ | trevarthan: the trick is give people something they want to pay for | 22:56 |
| lcuk_2 | SUN just paid 1 BILLION dollars for an open source program | 22:56 |
| lcuk_2 | thats a hell of a lot of money when they could have just checked out the source | 22:56 |
| pupnik | that's crazy man | 22:56 |
| lcuk_2 | what they paid for is the BRAND | 22:56 |
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| lcuk_2 | anything they could have made by taking the source might have been good, but it would NOT have been MySQL | 22:57 |
| trevarthan | yeah, I don't get how companies buy open source software. I guess they're buying the right to control it? | 22:57 |
| lcuk_2 | no, its all in the name | 22:57 |
| trevarthan | mmmmm... makes sense. | 22:57 |
| lcuk_2 | people know MySQL, but noone knows SUN_SQL | 22:58 |
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| lcuk_2 | i could take firefox and make a bazzing internet browser but it would be very very difficult for me to convince people to use it over the much more recognised Firefox | 22:58 |
| trevarthan | well, still, I can't think of one desktop application written in python that uses a product key. what's up with that? | 22:59 |
| Sho_ | trevarthan: Also the rights to control it, yes. MySQL Inc. owns the copyright in MySQL; contributors sign a copyright assignment agreement. | 22:59 |
| Sho_ | trevarthan: I.e. Sun also buys the MySQL copyright, which means they can publish it under any license they desire, i.e. they can also create proprietary offerings with it | 22:59 |
| lcuk_2 | trevarthan, people look at python which is entirely open source and has libraries which are entirely open source and they just think "hmmm well maybe it would be a good think to make my program open source as well" | 23:00 |
| trevarthan | lcuk_2: I like open source, I just can't figure out how to make any money off of it with this particular application. | 23:00 |
| lcuk_2 | like i said, what kind of application is it | 23:01 |
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| trevarthan | It's a GUI controller for .... things. | 23:01 |
| lcuk_2 | like x10 | 23:01 |
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| trevarthan | sorta, yeah | 23:01 |
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| lcuk_2 | so write it and show it off and if people like it they can buy it | 23:02 |
| lcuk_2 | you will gain product recognition if its good | 23:02 |
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| trevarthan | but considering that the people installing such systems are rather technical, I don't want them bypassing my product key and installing one license on multiple machines, you know? | 23:03 |
| lcuk_2 | then let them install the basic version on all machines they want. if they want extra functionality let them pay for it. | 23:03 |
| trevarthan | C or C++ would make the cost high enough that it wouldn't matter so much. | 23:04 |
| trevarthan | But Python, my favorite, is too easily modified, I think. | 23:04 |
| lcuk_2 | do you already have this software written for another device? | 23:04 |
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| trevarthan | no. planning stage only right now. | 23:04 |
| sp3000 | hmm | 23:05 |
| sp3000 | s/hmm/ehm/ | 23:05 |
| infobot | sp3000 meant: ehm | 23:05 |
| Tak | sp3000 meant: ehm | 23:05 |
| sp3000 | hum | 23:05 |
| sp3000 | s/hum/Tak, wtf/ | 23:05 |
| Tak | sp3000 meant: Tak, wtf | 23:05 |
| infobot | sp3000 meant: Tak, wtf | 23:05 |
| lcuk_2 | lol @ takbot | 23:05 |
| sp3000 | grumble | 23:05 |
| trevarthan | C++ sucks. There, I said it. I hate C++. | 23:05 |
| sp3000 | s/grumble/isn't one enough/ | 23:05 |
| Tak | sp3000 meant: isn't one enough | 23:05 |
| infobot | sp3000 meant: isn't one enough | 23:05 |
| * Jon pats trevarthan on the back | 23:05 | |
| sp3000 | well, actually, one is too many, but whatever :) | 23:06 |
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| lcuk_2 | trev, with the right idea you can get something better than a program | 23:07 |
| trevarthan | like what? a website? | 23:07 |
| lcuk_2 | you can get a community - let your users create plugins for your controller, get recognition and let your less technical users pay for support - just like mysql/red hat etc do | 23:07 |
| keesj | there is no easy way , what you need to do is implement parts of your software on the server-side | 23:08 |
| trevarthan | yeah, unfortunately this is third party. I don't own the controller. | 23:08 |
| lcuk_2 | the technical user will ALWAYS find a way round it (unless you impliment super hard server side private key encryption and use TCPA modules onboard - like the xbox..) | 23:09 |
| trevarthan | lcuk_2: or instead of selling hardware, sell a hardware/software bundle. | 23:09 |
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| * lcuk_2 throws up in his mouth a little bit | 23:09 | |
| trevarthan | s/selling hardware/selling software/ | 23:09 |
| infobot | trevarthan meant: lcuk_2: or instead of selling software, sell a hardware/software bundle. | 23:09 |
| Tak | trevarthan meant: lcuk_2: or instead of selling software, sell a hardware/software bundle. | 23:09 |
| lcuk_2 | you could do, but you have just limited your market even more | 23:10 |
| sp3000 | for he's a jolly good fellow | 23:10 |
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| sp3000 | s/for he's a jolly good fellow/and so say all of us/ | 23:10 |
| Tak | sp3000 meant: and so say all of us | 23:10 |
| infobot | sp3000 meant: and so say all of us | 23:10 |
| sp3000 | I can totally use these for a chorus | 23:11 |
| lcuk_2 | anyway, i think i need to go now, ive got this super cool idea to write an x10 clone ;) | 23:11 |
| michele_ | sp3000: wicked | 23:11 |
| keesj | hardware/software is nice yes | 23:11 |
| trevarthan | lcuk_2: well, what if I wrote code for an inexpensive ethernet webserver device instead of desktop code for the maemo platform? | 23:11 |
| trevarthan | lcuk_2: maemo's killer app is the browser after all. | 23:11 |
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| lcuk_2 | trev, something i would pay for is a proper remote control from my 810 to my computer - it can use bluetooth if it wants but it has to be configurable at both ends | 23:12 |
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| kulve | trevarthan: I don't really use the browser much on the device.. | 23:12 |
| trevarthan | lcuk_2: like, using the touchscreen as a mouse? | 23:12 |
| lcuk_2 | the one i use with my keyboard on computer (ps2 dongle between keyboard and comp) is dying :( | 23:12 |
| kulve | I irc and watch movies.. | 23:12 |
| lcuk_2 | no ive got vnc for that | 23:12 |
| lcuk_2 | i mean a proper remote control | 23:12 |
| s1d | maemo p2p meshing like the olpc | 23:12 |
| s1d | or zune stlye but not restricted music trading | 23:13 |
| lcuk_2 | volume playback channels etc | 23:13 |
| * lcuk_2 cant be arsed writing the code | 23:13 | |
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| lcuk_2 | i bought one for my pocket LOOX which did the job perfectly | 23:13 |
| trevarthan | lcuk_2: isn't there an lirc frontend for maemo? | 23:14 |
| lcuk_2 | (apart from the fact the IR sensor was on the side :S) | 23:14 |
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| lcuk_2 | s/sensor/emiter/ | 23:14 |
| infobot | lcuk_2 meant: (apart from the fact the IR emiter was on the side :S) | 23:14 |
| Tak | lcuk_2 meant: (apart from the fact the IR emiter was on the side :S) | 23:14 |
| lcuk_2 | :O it works | 23:14 |
| lcuk_2 | evne tho i cant spell | 23:14 |
| lcuk_2 | or type | 23:15 |
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| * lcuk_2 gives up | 23:15 | |
| trevarthan | lcuk_2: like this? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/irreco/ | 23:15 |
| lcuk_2 | trev, there would be but there is no IR port on the n8x0 | 23:15 |
| trevarthan | sorry, better link: http://irreco.garage.maemo.org/ | 23:16 |
| trevarthan | no, it uses tcp/ip. You just install lirc on the other pc. | 23:16 |
| lcuk_2 | which then uses its IR emitter to change the channel? | 23:16 |
| trevarthan | nah. uses the API | 23:16 |
| * michele_ curses application manager | 23:17 | |
| trevarthan | if you need to use an IR transmitter you can, but if you're controlling mythtv or some other lirc aware app you don't need it. | 23:17 |
| lcuk_2 | thats where it falls flat on its face, im just using media player classic on windows lol | 23:17 |
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| lcuk_2 | it worked really nicely until the IR sensor started to go wonky | 23:18 |
| lcuk_2 | michele_, have you got most stuff back? or are you missing repos | 23:18 |
| trevarthan | lcuk_2: http://winlirc.sourceforge.net/ | 23:18 |
| trevarthan | no clue how current that is though. | 23:19 |
| trevarthan | might not do tcp/ip. | 23:19 |
| lcuk_2 | WinLIRC requires a very simple IR detector connected to a serial port. | 23:19 |
| trevarthan | yeah, dunno if that's omission or fact. | 23:19 |
| lcuk_2 | doesnt sound very current - i am pleased there are versions around but wasnt gonna go to loads of trouble - for my use i might just use vnc and the 810 keyboard (which would work nicely) | 23:20 |
| michele_ | lcuk_2: it has problems connecting to the extras repo | 23:20 |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. I have US/Canada maps in "Maps". Can I switch them to Europe/Germany somehow? | 23:21 |
| Blafasel | Ah.. | 23:21 |
| Blafasel | Nvm | 23:21 |
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| lcuk_2 | michele_, when did you last refresh before you reflashed - ie was it working very very recently | 23:21 |
| michele_ | dunno | 23:21 |
| trevarthan | is there a compiled alternative to C++ on maemo? I despise C++. | 23:22 |
| lcuk_2 | yer - c | 23:22 |
| trevarthan | Or.... would a python code obfuscator give sufficient protection? | 23:22 |
| michele_ | vala | 23:22 |
| michele_ | trevarthan: check out vala | 23:22 |
| vegai | you can use C++ on maemo? | 23:22 |
| trevarthan | michele_: how much do people actually use vala? | 23:22 |
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| michele_ | it's a C# inspired language that compiles back to C and then to native | 23:23 |
| trevarthan | vegai: think so. saw stuff about gtkmm.... | 23:23 |
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| vegai | trevarthan: seems like a rather silly thing to do when there's C | 23:23 |
| Blafasel | I'd love to use vala where C# is no option | 23:23 |
| michele_ | trevarthan: not much, as it is specifically targeted to gnome/gtk/maemo (gobject stuff) | 23:23 |
| * Tak using vala right now | 23:24 | |
| trevarthan | michele_: is it limited? i.e. can I do network stuff from it? | 23:24 |
| vegai | D might be fun | 23:24 |
| vegai | or Haskell :-P | 23:24 |
| trevarthan | not looking for fun. if I wanted fun I'd use OCaml. :) | 23:24 |
| Cptnodegard | iGo has been discontinued o_0 sad day | 23:24 |
| michele_ | trevarthan: it cando what C can do | 23:24 |
| michele_ | OMG. ocaml... | 23:25 |
| trevarthan | yeah, I used to write a lot of ocaml code until I got tired of the parens. | 23:25 |
| trevarthan | god those parens are annoying. | 23:25 |
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| lcuk_2 | trev, you might look at mono - im sure i read somewhere its ported | 23:25 |
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| lcuk_2 | whether or not you will get more than hello world im not sure | 23:26 |
| michele_ | it was for sure, when 770 came out, I don't know if it is maintained | 23:26 |
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| eijk | Hi! | 23:26 |
| lcuk_2 | see, eijk is written in mono | 23:26 |
| eijk | Any modest folks here? | 23:26 |
| eijk | ? | 23:26 |
| lcuk_2 | lol eijk you missed the line above | 23:27 |
| lcuk_2 | <lcuk_2> whether or not you will get more than hello world im not sure | 23:27 |
| lcuk_2 | then you said hi! | 23:27 |
| eijk | ;-) 'k | 23:27 |
| trevarthan | I like mono, but isn't there this huge stigma associated with it and it's microsoft IP roots? | 23:27 |
| michele_ | trevarthan: mono's bytecode, CIL, is as much as decompilable as python | 23:28 |
| juergbi | trevarthan: vala is still in development, however people are starting to use it for real apps for some time now and the more people use it, the quicker it will be fully stable | 23:29 |
| trevarthan | michele_: mmmm.... they use it a lot on win32 though. so maybe it's not that bad? | 23:29 |
| juergbi | trevarthan: 0.1.6 will be released shortly, give it a try if you like | 23:29 |
| lcuk_2 | im gonna vanish anyways, back later | 23:29 |
| Tama^2 | I honestly do not understand the point behind vala :P | 23:29 |
| trevarthan | bye lcuk_2. thanks for the chat. | 23:30 |
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| trevarthan | Tama^2: I think vala is mono for people scared of mono because of the IP issues. | 23:30 |
| * sp3000 likes the characterization of not implementing support for a particular rfc "broken, and in violation of the applicable standards" | 23:31 | |
| Tama^2 | I see | 23:31 |
| sp3000 | yay hyperbole | 23:31 |
| juergbi | trevarthan: no, I don't think that a lot of people are using vala due to that | 23:31 |
| juergbi | the development certainly haven't been started due to that | 23:31 |
| trevarthan | what's the point then, when there's mono? | 23:31 |
| Tama^2 | an python | 23:31 |
| Tama^2 | *and | 23:31 |
| trevarthan | yeah | 23:31 |
| juergbi | mono is a different platform, it duplicates a lot of the gnome platform | 23:32 |
| juergbi | vala is c# for the gnome platform, without an additional runtime | 23:32 |
| michele_ | vala compiles to native, mono to bytecode | 23:32 |
| trevarthan | does vala have a modern GC? | 23:32 |
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| trevarthan | not that I think python's GC is particularly modern, but it's better than C++. | 23:33 |
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| juergbi | it directly uses gobject, so it uses the available reference counting mechanism | 23:33 |
| juergbi | so more or less like integrated smart pointers | 23:33 |
| trevarthan | I hate reference counting. so you get problems with circular object references, right? | 23:33 |
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| Tama^2 | I still think picking an existing language makes more sense | 23:34 |
| trevarthan | me too | 23:34 |
| trevarthan | sounds like vala might go away at some point or something | 23:34 |
| * sp3000 waits for cobol to rear its head | 23:34 | |
| BuSyAnToS | i received my n810 do i need to make any upgrade? | 23:35 |
| juergbi | trevarthan: everything might go away at some point or something ;) | 23:35 |
| trevarthan | BuSyAnToS: probably worthwhile to flash the latest firmware, yeah. | 23:35 |
| BuSyAnToS | ok :) | 23:35 |
| trevarthan | juergbi: except, C, right? :) blech. | 23:35 |
| juergbi | trevarthan: if gobject 3 switches to different kind of garbage collection, vala will, too, so it's just very near to the glib runtime, it uses | 23:35 |
| michele_ | required, if you want skype | 23:35 |
| BuSyAnToS | yes i want it | 23:36 |
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| BuSyAnToS | i see it somehow faster than the 770 i had | 23:36 |
| trevarthan | BuSyAnToS: yeah, faster CPU and more memory. | 23:36 |
| sp3000 | yes, a faster processor and more memory can cause that | 23:36 |
| Tama^2 | unless you install vista... | 23:36 |
| Tama^2 | xD | 23:37 |
| juergbi | trevarthan: regarding circular references: yes, that's an issue, of course, the same as in C. you can declare weak references to avoid the issue, just like in C, too | 23:38 |
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| indolent | hi everyone. I am using n800 (flashed to 2008 image) with external gps. if I use maemo-mapper it can read the gps. but i want to do it from the shell, however i can not find rfcomm like tool. can someone help me please :) | 23:38 |
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| Blafasel | Hmpf. The map download always fails/aborts.. Is there a hidden "Don't kill the wifi connection" setting? | 23:47 |
| sp3000 | Blafasel: do you have enough space? I'm not sure if it's very clear about that | 23:49 |
| michele_ | Blafasel: I just fixed it right now | 23:49 |
| michele_ | Blafasel: open the terminal | 23:49 |
| michele_ | and write this: | 23:49 |
| michele_ | gconftool-2 --set --type int '/system/osso/connectivity/IAP/wlan_sleep_timeout' '1000' | 23:50 |
| Blafasel | michele_: Thanks. Any docs on that? 1000 .. seconds? Or what? | 23:50 |
| michele_ | for reference: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/18057#18057 | 23:50 |
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| sp3000 | Blafasel: iirc wifi doesn't have disconnect timeout enabled by default | 23:50 |
| Blafasel | And why does it go to sleep at all if there's traffic? | 23:50 |
| trevarthan | Maybe a product key isn't necessary at all on maemo. Maybe the single click install method is enough. | 23:51 |
| sp3000 | michele_: doesn't that thing have ui these days? | 23:51 |
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| sp3000 | that's network-specific so you don't affect battery life on better APs? | 23:51 |
| trevarthan | nah, still need activation step, I think. | 23:51 |
| GEORGE_BG | heloo | 23:52 |
| sp3000 | (apparently you have to step through the silly wizard-like thing in the network settings before you get to the advanced button) | 23:52 |
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| GEORGE_BG | Is there a way n800 to boot direktly to KDE | 23:53 |
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| GEORGE_BG | I don't want to boot first in hildon desktop | 23:53 |
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| Blafasel | Does this stuff (gconftool ...) need a restart or anything? | 23:54 |
| sp3000 | Blafasel: I believe it says in the linked thread | 23:55 |
| michele_ | Blafasel: you just have to reconnect | 23:55 |
| sp3000 | but I'd kinda prefer the ui method due to the abovementioned reason | 23:56 |
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| michele_ | sp3000: yes, it should depend on your AP | 23:56 |
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| jackster | sorry if this is completely off topci but does anyone have any ideas or hunches on whether Nokia are likely to release a new Internet Tablet at CeBit this year to replace the N800/810? | 23:56 |
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| GNUtoN810 | Re | 23:57 |
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| kulve | jackster: they just announced the n810, so it's very unlikely, imo. | 23:59 |
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