| ShyBoy | tontsa: I don't see any gtk-devel in apt-get | 00:00 |
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| ShyBoy | how do i install it? | 00:00 |
| milhouse | not my local squid - still getting the error when connecting direct to the internet, oddly it's only affecting one machine running FF 2.0.0.11 on Win2K3 server. Have cleared the cache and everything... oh well, can always use another machine... :) | 00:00 |
| tontsa | shyboy, i'm guessing you need to compile the whole gtk yourself. i've really no clue on maemo dev yet. just got my n810 like 5 hours ago | 00:01 |
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| cbx33 | hey all | 00:01 |
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| tontsa | milhouse, maybe your ISP has transparent proxy | 00:01 |
| cbx33 | anyone know how i can debug wpa_supplicant if it's there on the n800 | 00:01 |
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| lardman | evening | 00:02 |
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| johnnynokia | if they haven't removed the options maybe you can run it in the foreground with deubgging | 00:07 |
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| milhouse | tontsa - could do | 00:15 |
| pupnik | hi lardman :) | 00:15 |
| derf | lardman: How are things going on the Tremor front? | 00:15 |
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| |R | http://www.ekxd.com/productshtml/UMPC001.htm <- haha | 00:32 |
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| lardman | pupnik: hi | 00:35 |
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| lardman | derf: ok, I've worked out what the problem is with all the zeroes | 00:36 |
| lardman | my apologies for the tardy responses, I was called to watch Californication | 00:36 |
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| derf | A worthy endeavor, I'm sure. | 00:36 |
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| lardman | well it means my girlfriend won't disown me, so not all bad | 00:37 |
| lardman | :) | 00:37 |
| lardman | anyway, it appears that if I send the data back from the same buffer it arrived in it's fine | 00:37 |
| lardman | but if I copy to anywhere with memcpy() it turns to zeroes | 00:37 |
| lardman | this is not expected behaviour, I'll have a look and see if I can work out why this happens | 00:38 |
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| derf | That sounds like the DSP side isn't mapping the pages correctly. | 00:39 |
| tontsa | Californication is good for first few eps, then it disintigrates into below mediocre | 00:39 |
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| tontsa | anyone have perl for chinook yet btw | 00:41 |
| lardman | derf: it's strange as it works in the examples I've used before | 00:41 |
| lardman | tontsa: this episode was just painful to watch, the daughter took the manuscript to the s&m secretary | 00:42 |
| derf | Unfortunately, this is the part I actually know nothing about. | 00:42 |
| derf | Well, I don't really know a great deal about Tremor, either, but I know how to read C code. | 00:43 |
| tontsa | lardman, yeah it's pure downhill from there | 00:43 |
| tontsa | well it has been 1-2 eps before that even | 00:43 |
| lardman | derf: Looks like the rest behaves itself (he says), if I can get some useful data over it will certainly have more chance of working ;) | 00:43 |
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| lardman | tontsa: I tend to sit there and read while it's on, can't say I pay all that much attnetion really | 00:44 |
| tontsa | i'm a tv-addict | 00:44 |
| tontsa | now that there | 00:44 |
| tontsa | 's writers strike i'm out of ideas | 00:45 |
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| lardman | I go through stages - sitting trying to hack at something or other on the computer, playing games, or reading...lots | 00:48 |
| lardman | I bought Crysis, must try and finish it before I get bored or playing games | 00:49 |
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| pupnik | i love the crysis foliage and lighting | 00:50 |
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| pupnik | anybody here good with gpu shader programming? i have a demo for high-density foliage i need help on :) | 00:51 |
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| lardman | pupnik: yes, looks lovely doesn't it | 01:00 |
| lardman | anyway, bed time, will take a look at the memcpy issue tomorrow before work | 01:00 |
| lardman | night all | 01:00 |
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| Atarii | quiet in her | 01:38 |
| Atarii | here* | 01:38 |
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| tank-man | any recent deals on a n800 ? | 01:42 |
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| Atarii | so anyone here on a 770 and tried the adblock plus extension? | 01:49 |
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| pupnik | no | 01:51 |
| pupnik | for microb? | 01:51 |
| Atarii | yea | 01:51 |
| Atarii | i want to know what the speed decrease is like | 01:51 |
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| pupnik | no idea - still using opera here | 01:53 |
| Atarii | are running the OS from internal or mmc? | 01:55 |
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| skibur | hello? | 02:02 |
| pupnik | mmc Atarii | 02:03 |
| pupnik | hi skibur | 02:03 |
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| skibur | I´m thinking of using nothing but my n800 for one month just to see if I can do my daily computing. :) | 02:04 |
| pupnik | if you do, make a blog diary | 02:06 |
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| Atarii | yea sounds fun skibur | 02:08 |
| Atarii | wat size mmc pupnik? | 02:08 |
| skibur | I didnt know that Pidgin had IRC support. | 02:09 |
| Atarii | yea, i tried it earlier for the first time | 02:10 |
| Atarii | was confusing | 02:10 |
| skibur | Well I´m done with finals and I need something to work on. | 02:13 |
| dragorn | skibur: a friend just got an 810 to be his primary computer | 02:13 |
| skibur | nice | 02:13 |
| skibur | Do you have a iGO keyboard? | 02:14 |
| dragorn | me? No. | 02:15 |
| skibur | I´ve notice that the ´ has a delay or maybe there is something stuck on the key board. Still don´t know. | 02:15 |
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| skibur | must be with Pidgin because I can using other symbols on the same key with no delay | 02:17 |
| skibur | Anyways, I guess I going to unpack. I just arrived home and all my stuff are in bags . Later hackers!!! | 02:19 |
| pupnik | Atarii: 2GB | 02:25 |
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| pupnik | "My N810 arrived yesterday from Nokia online shop (de) I ordered on Friday with express delivery and it came on Tuesday. " wtf.. nokia.de has em? | 02:54 |
| pupnik | http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=3752591&culture=de-DE aha N810 finally on the shop in .de | 02:56 |
| pupnik | i don't see where to edit my chosen tablet store in my maemo profile :( | 03:01 |
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| yabbas | I'm going to ask a question that's possibly been repeated hundredsof times before. "Has anybody's Developer Discount Code worked for them in the UK?" | 03:45 |
| zerojay | ... | 03:45 |
| pupnik | dunno | 03:46 |
| pupnik | yabbas: do you have a code? | 03:46 |
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| pupnik | i see the devices are starting to sell in UK and Germany | 03:47 |
| yabbas | pupnik: I wouldn't be asking otherwise :) [that's a yes] | 03:47 |
| pupnik | but no update via email | 03:47 |
| pupnik | yabbas: do you know if you can see, or edit the store you picked on the maemo.org profile? | 03:48 |
| yabbas | someone on the mailing list suggested they work on the 15th ... but I didn't read anythign official anywhere | 03:48 |
| yabbas | pupnik: good question, don't think I did. Thoguh I specified I lived in the UK so assumed it'd default there. | 03:48 |
| pupnik | yeah i guess we just have to wait. i just saw today that nokia.de shop now has them | 03:49 |
| yabbas | .co.uk has them too | 03:50 |
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| yabbas | Dev Application lists: "Nokia shop to get the device from United Kingdom" | 03:51 |
| pupnik | well nothing we can do then | 03:51 |
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| yabbas | aye, play the waiting game :) ... damnit, I'm itching for one! | 03:51 |
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| pupnik | by the time we get our codes confirmed, the shops will sell out of initial stock and be backordered, and we'll have to wait another month to get one. | 03:56 |
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| pupnik | i hope i'm wrong... but this looks most likely to me | 03:57 |
| zerojay | I hope not. | 03:57 |
| yabbas | Are there a lot of people out there who want it that badly? | 03:57 |
| yabbas | Reviews were good, but imho I think most are going the *spit* Apple way. | 03:58 |
| pupnik | the N810 made two popular publications "Top 10 Most Wanted for Christmas" lists (wired, cnet) | 03:58 |
| yabbas | blimeh | 03:58 |
| halley | yabbas, there are developers who got a very good deal but only through the official Nokia store outlets. | 03:58 |
| halley | Oh, didn't read back. | 03:59 |
| * halley thumps himself on the forehead. | 03:59 | |
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| halley | Personally, I think the platform is STILL way underdeveloped for mundane non-developers to have much interest. | 03:59 |
| yabbas | halley: *g* s'all good. I think the US stores accepted the codes so far but everywhere else hasn't yet. | 03:59 |
| halley | As a developer, I'm loving it. | 04:00 |
| yabbas | I'm in two minds so far - there | 04:00 |
| * yabbas curses his spack hands | 04:01 | |
| yabbas | I kinda wish we had more access to the internals. | 04:01 |
| nomis | Mhm. Did anyone try a european discount code in nokias shop? | 04:01 |
| nomis | Seems the german shop has them in stock but I am not sure if I may go ahead and enter my code. | 04:02 |
| halley | I'm getting into pygame. I wish arm python was able to precompile native elements, like psyco without the runtime memory hit. | 04:02 |
| nomis | anyway - /me heads for the bed. | 04:03 |
| yabbas | Should really look into pygame. | 04:03 |
| halley | I also don't like hildon+pygame complexity. There's no rational reason I have to know a thing about dbus to allow my app to minimize and come back. | 04:03 |
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| yabbas | shit, 2am and I'm reading pbfcomics >_< | 04:04 |
| yabbas | bbl! | 04:04 |
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| Blair[idle] | soup | 04:24 |
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| pupnik | <- ravioli | 04:24 |
| Ias | BlairX are u gettin the n800 | 04:24 |
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| realcomix | Ha | 04:28 |
| Ias | o | 04:28 |
| realcomix | O | 04:29 |
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| ds3 | just to confirm what I am seeing, on the N800, sound is not a normal PCM device but rather something that gets routed through the DSP. Is this right? | 04:46 |
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| rghosh | i believe so | 04:48 |
| rghosh | my colleague says yes | 04:49 |
| rghosh | for example in gstreamer, the element name for audio output is 'dsppcmsink' | 04:49 |
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| pupnik | yaaay xmms *finally* fixed the 'always on top' switch! | 05:43 |
| pupnik | only took 7 years to do it! | 05:43 |
| vlad_ | does the n810 media player handle h.264 video/aac audio, in a mp4 container? | 05:45 |
| vlad_ | or do I need to do something else? | 05:45 |
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| |R | anyone been able to play bomberman n8x0 to n8x0 ? :) | 05:49 |
| |R | even by hand it doesn't seem to work (with bombermanclient and *server -h ...) | 05:49 |
| |R | with netcat from one n800 to the other i can trigger activity on the server port but game won't connect... | 05:52 |
| pupnik | dunno dunno | 05:52 |
| pupnik | vlad_: tablet-encode | 05:52 |
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| alp | pupnik: i don't think that's a helpful answer | 05:54 |
| vlad_ | pupnik: yeah, I don't use linux :) | 05:55 |
| pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?q=n810+media+player+h.264+video+aac+audio+mp4 I dunno - don't have my N810 yet. | 05:56 |
| vlad_ | yeh, trawling through that list now :) | 05:56 |
| vlad_ | I may have just overdone it on the resolution, shrinking things down now | 05:57 |
| vlad_ | and using an avi container instead of mp4 container | 05:57 |
| pupnik | yeah 400x240 is recommended | 05:57 |
| vlad_ | I was (optimistically) trying 640x480 :) | 05:59 |
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| pupnik | vlad_: mplayer will handle more codecs, give you better speed and compression | 06:03 |
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| vlad_ | pupnik: yeah, just no mplayer yet for n810 | 06:05 |
| vlad_ | I could probably build it, I guess | 06:05 |
| K`zan | I thought there was mplayer for the n800?!? | 06:08 |
| unique311 | mplayer for os2008 is avail | 06:08 |
| unique311 | ur n810 is running os2008 | 06:09 |
| unique311 | search downloads on maemo.org os2008 | 06:09 |
| unique311 | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 | 06:10 |
| vlad_ | ah yeh, just found it | 06:10 |
| unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12046 | 06:11 |
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| vlad_ | nod | 06:12 |
| vlad_ | just added the extras-devel repo | 06:12 |
| K`zan | Guess I was wrong, no mplayer for 2008 :-(. | 06:12 |
| unique311 | 23 stopped playing .flv files properly for me. | 06:12 |
| Vulc|Bleh | [23:11:48] <unique311> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12046 -- its there. | 06:12 |
| Vulc|Bleh | you want .21, I believe | 06:13 |
| unique311 | 21 played them pretty well | 06:13 |
| unique311 | yeah | 06:13 |
| unique311 | don't install 23, not sure what happen, but alot of the videos i tried froze | 06:13 |
| unique311 | during playback | 06:13 |
| unique311 | but worked on 21 pretty good | 06:15 |
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| unique311 | but i am running os2008 on the n800 (beta version) | 06:16 |
| unique311 | 23 might fair better on the n810s os2008 | 06:16 |
| vlad_ | mmm, 1500kbps is a bit much! | 06:19 |
| pupnik | with xvid i go 700kb/s with 64kb/s mono audio (keep movies below 350MB) | 06:21 |
| pupnik | course, you can't take it with you | 06:22 |
| vlad_ | can't take which with me? | 06:23 |
| pupnik | sorry offtopic | 06:24 |
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| pupnik | Pupnik's Music Pick of the Day: wget http://www.austinsound.net/dl/ThreadbareCoat.mp3 | 06:31 |
| dragorn | wow, mplayer has gotten a LOT better since I last used it | 06:36 |
| dragorn | good work, whomever did it :) | 06:36 |
| K`zan | Any of the editors for 2008 do .rtf? | 06:40 |
| pupnik | abiword? should be released soon? | 06:44 |
| dragorn | yeah i'm waiting for that one | 06:45 |
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| Redbibi | hi | 07:28 |
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| ShyBoy | got a problem | 07:33 |
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| ShyBoy | checking tcl build dir... locate: /scratchbox/tools/var/locatedb: No such file or directory | 07:33 |
| ShyBoy | configure: error: Unable to find Tcl directory or Tcl package is not tcl-dev | 07:33 |
| ShyBoy | i do have tcl installed on chinook env.. | 07:34 |
| pupnik_ | your script seems to be calling locate to find a dir | 07:35 |
| pupnik_ | go to that line and replace the result of locate with your tcl build dir | 07:35 |
| ShyBoy | thx, let me check | 07:35 |
| pupnik_ | the alternative would be to install and run locate/updatedb, but i have a feeling that's not such a good idea | 07:36 |
| dragorn | or run updatedb to get a locate database | 07:36 |
| dragorn | heh | 07:36 |
| dragorn | why not? | 07:36 |
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| ShyBoy | /scratchbox/tools/bin/updatedb: line 139: /scratchbox/tools/var/locatedb.n: Permission denied | 07:37 |
| ShyBoy | updatedb is giving me this error though | 07:37 |
| ShyBoy | /scratchbox/tools/bin/find: error in /scratchbox/etc/mtab: /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/volatile: No such file or directory | 07:38 |
| ShyBoy | updatedb: new database would be empty | 07:38 |
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| ShyBoy | where do i get the sources for tcl? | 07:40 |
| ShyBoy | i mean tcl for chinook armel | 07:40 |
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| ShyBoy | having this error, can someone please help | 08:16 |
| ShyBoy | checking tcl build dir... locate: /scratchbox/tools/var/locatedb: No such file or directory | 08:16 |
| ShyBoy | configure: error: Unable to find Tcl directory or Tcl package is not tcl-dev | 08:16 |
| ShyBoy | i had 2 locates which I provide the path | 08:20 |
| ShyBoy | still the script stuck there | 08:20 |
| ShyBoy | i guess i need to refresh this configure (refresh or re=initiaze), how can i force to configure, once modified? | 08:22 |
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| ShyBoy | i guess i need to refresh this configure (refresh or re=initiaze), how can i force to configure, once modified? | 08:22 |
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| pupnik | ./configure | 08:23 |
| ShyBoy | its caching it i guess | 08:23 |
| ShyBoy | the change i made, but it keep saying the same error | 08:23 |
| pupnik | is this a debian package? | 08:24 |
| ShyBoy | I guess yes | 08:24 |
| pupnik | it might be copying the script to debian/....... | 08:24 |
| pupnik | or | 08:24 |
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| pupnik | you might have to go to an automake script | 08:24 |
| pupnik | did the re-run remove the changes you made by overwriting the file ShyBoy ? | 08:25 |
| ShyBoy | no | 08:26 |
| ShyBoy | my changes are there | 08:26 |
| ShyBoy | the debian folder doesn't contain any configure | 08:26 |
| ShyBoy | can't do automake as there is no install-sh | 08:26 |
| ShyBoy | when i configure it shows the same error | 08:27 |
| ShyBoy | but i modify the contents | 08:27 |
| ShyBoy | still shows the locate error, and i put the remarks on locate command (#) | 08:27 |
| ShyBoy | i remember there were some command with --force to run first before ./cofigure if its modified | 08:28 |
| ShyBoy | isn't it? | 08:28 |
| ShyBoy | i m not sure what command was it, maybe automake | 08:28 |
| ShyBoy | it was for different package though | 08:28 |
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| ShyBoy | there is a folder called autopackage | 08:31 |
| ShyBoy | in my src | 08:31 |
| ShyBoy | i.e. in my package | 08:31 |
| ShyBoy | but there is no executeable script in there | 08:31 |
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| JoshTriplett | Does modest have a dedicated channel, or should I ask questions about it here? | 08:39 |
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| L0cutus | http://www.zamprogno.it/TimeWiki.html#Maemo | 08:56 |
| L0cutus | i've ported a new tool, 'Remind' to os2008 | 08:56 |
| L0cutus | http://www.linux.com/articles/55928 | 08:56 |
| L0cutus | http://www.roaringpenguin.com/products/remind | 08:57 |
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| pupnik | ShyBoy: sorry i don't know offhand what's wrong | 09:17 |
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| K`zan | Night all | 09:18 |
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| JoshTriplett | In Modest, how can I keep my sent folder and drafts folder on the IMAP server rather than locally? | 09:25 |
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| gomiam | JoshTriplett: are you able to create IMAP folders through Modest? | 09:29 |
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| JoshTriplett | gomiam: Yes. | 09:30 |
| JoshTriplett | gomiam: Let me doublecheck. | 09:30 |
| gomiam | I'll check how to set the default sent folder meanwhile | 09:30 |
| JoshTriplett | gomiam: Yes, I can create folders through IMAP. | 09:31 |
| gomiam | mmm... as of 2007/12/11 there was no option to set the default Sent folder | 09:32 |
| JoshTriplett | gomiam: Hmmm, oh well. | 09:32 |
| * JoshTriplett files a feature request. | 09:33 | |
| gomiam | from what I gather at the Internet Table Talk Forums | 09:33 |
| JoshTriplett | gomiam: Oh? Can you point me at a relevant link? | 09:33 |
| gomiam | link: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13029 | 09:33 |
| gomiam | check the first comment by Rebski | 09:33 |
| gomiam | anyway, Modesto is still beta. From what I read on that link's thread, there are quite a few bugs crawling there yet. | 09:35 |
| gomiam | bleh, Modest | 09:36 |
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| ShyBoy | how to remove the deb? | 10:10 |
| ShyBoy | fakeroot dpkg? | 10:10 |
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| gomiam | what deb do you want to remov? | 10:17 |
| gomiam | remove | 10:17 |
| ShyBoy | got it | 10:17 |
| ShyBoy | fakeroot dpkg -r tcl8.5 | 10:18 |
| ShyBoy | thx | 10:18 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 11:01 |
| Khertan | infobot | 11:01 |
| Khertan | infobot help ? | 11:01 |
| Khertan | infobot help | 11:02 |
| Khertan | infobot help karma | 11:02 |
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| sp3000 | infobot: make me coffee | 11:23 |
| * infobot brews a nice hot cup of coffee for sp3000 | 11:23 | |
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| rothiel | Hello World :) | 12:07 |
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| [pablo] | does anyone know the specifications for the n810 charger, i'm needing to order a car charger online but don't have one on me | 12:38 |
| Khertan | sp3000 > Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) | 12:39 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:39 |
| tontsa | it can use AC-4 and DC-4 nokia chargers. Also ACP-12 with converter to smaller plug | 12:39 |
| [pablo] | tontsa: thanks | 12:39 |
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| dpb_ | according to nokia.com, the package comes with Nokia Travel Charger AC-4 | 12:40 |
| sp3000 | Khertan: ? | 12:41 |
| dpb_ | and a car holder | 12:41 |
| lardman | code still doesn't work in the uk shop | 12:41 |
| lardman | :( | 12:41 |
| lardman | I'll have to wait 'till tomorrow I suppose | 12:41 |
| Khertan | lardman > we are the 14th december | 12:41 |
| [pablo] | dpb_: yeah, it's a regular wall plug that doesn't cover up both plugs | 12:41 |
| [pablo] | it's not a DC charger | 12:41 |
| lardman | Khertan: I thought it said by the 15th, and it's nearly there so I thought I'd follow my daily ritual and try :) | 12:42 |
| dpb_ | ah | 12:42 |
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| [pablo] | and it does come with an awesome mounting kit =) | 12:42 |
| Khertan | lardman > don't say it but i ve try too this morning :) | 12:44 |
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| Spakman_ | Khertan: have you been using libosso in Ruby? | 13:06 |
| Spakman_ | hello, BTW :) | 13:06 |
| Rocketman | Anyone know how to set the 810's keyboard backlight to have a longer time-out | 13:07 |
| Rocketman | ? | 13:07 |
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| alterego | Hmmm .. Alt+shift+tab isn't working >:( | 13:15 |
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| alterego | It's gonna be wacky fun! | 13:20 |
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| Khertan | Spakman_ > i ve never use ruby to code anything else than desktop widget :) | 13:21 |
| Spakman_ | did the widget use libosso? | 13:22 |
| * Spakman_ crosses fingers | 13:22 | |
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| lardman | oh dear, looks like my memcpy problem might be because something's sitting in extended memory :( | 13:44 |
| lardman | far_peek, far_poke, looks painful | 13:45 |
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| pupnik | wow | 13:46 |
| lardman | I wonder what extended memory means in this context? | 13:51 |
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| lardman | I was thinking the shared system memory mapped via the mmu, but I'm sure that works without these far_*() calls (i.e. ipbuf stuff) | 13:51 |
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| lardman | hmm, yes the ipbuf section is in EXTMEM2 | 13:54 |
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| alterego | No such luck .. | 13:55 |
| lardman | When using P2 Restricted Mode hardware all C-accessible data objects must reside on the 64K-word data page zero. | 13:57 |
| Spakman_ | hey alterego. I'm trying to top an aplpication via libosso, but I'm getting an exception I don't understand: #<TypeError: wrong argument type String (expected Data)>. What is a Data? I've just been passing the string name of the application. | 13:58 |
| hahlo | Can I write sms with os2007 and send it with bt to some phone which delivers it further? | 13:58 |
| lardman | yes, use gnokii | 13:58 |
| hahlo | thanks | 13:59 |
| alterego | Spakman_, can I see your code? | 13:59 |
| alterego | Actually, there's not much I can do right now. All my ruby-maemo stuff is on a different machine :/ | 14:00 |
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| Spakman_ | alterego: OSSO::Application.top "knowway", nil | 14:01 |
| hahlo | lardman: from where I find gnokii for os2007? | 14:02 |
| lardman | for the 770 it's here: http://trifinite.org/trifinite_downloads.html | 14:03 |
| lardman | but I just compiled it myself | 14:03 |
| alterego | Spakman_, it should work .. | 14:04 |
| lardman | or rather when I wanted to try it I compiled it myself | 14:04 |
| lardman | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007/communications?org_openpsa_qbpager_org_openpsa_products_product_dba_page=2 | 14:04 |
| lardman | phonelink | 14:05 |
| lardman | used libgnokii and should be compiled for os2007 | 14:05 |
| hahlo | thanks again | 14:05 |
| lardman | np | 14:05 |
| alterego | Interesting .. | 14:07 |
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| alterego | Oh .. | 14:08 |
| alterego | I see the problem. | 14:08 |
| alterego | Spakman_, you're using the wrong api .. | 14:08 |
| Spakman_ | proxy method instead? | 14:08 |
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| alterego | Spakman_, context.application.top "whatever" | 14:08 |
| alterego | Yes, otherwise you need to supply the context/ | 14:09 |
| alterego | I thought that nil looked weird in your code ;) | 14:09 |
| alterego | OSSO::Application.top context, "blah" | 14:09 |
| alterego | Or: context.application.top "blah" | 14:09 |
| alterego | Fancy you doing that wrong on the best documented ruby-maemo module ^_^ | 14:11 |
| Spakman_ | :) | 14:11 |
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| alterego | I'm glad it wasn't a bug though. As I've not setup scratchbox yet. | 14:12 |
| alterego | I'm building the VE for scratchbox now though. | 14:12 |
| Spakman_ | ah, cool | 14:13 |
| Spakman_ | hmm, I don't get the exception anymore (or any exception, for that matter), but my app isn't topped | 14:13 |
| alterego | I'm loving this KVM stuff .. | 14:13 |
| Spakman_ | alterego: yes, I just started using KVM too, it's great | 14:13 |
| pupnik | Fri Dec 14 13:13:06 CET 2007 | 14:14 |
| alterego | It took about 10 minutes to install XP. | 14:14 |
| alterego | Not sure what I'm gonna do with it though ^_^ | 14:14 |
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| Spakman_ | alterego: in my Ruby desktop plugin, I can enable it and it works fine. Then I disable it (also fine) and try to re-enable it and the whole GUI restarts. Anything obvious I'm doing wrong? | 14:21 |
| alterego | Not that I can think of. My test plugin seems to work fine .. | 14:22 |
| alterego | I should get my ass in gear and release 0.4.1 it stops crashes and gives you error messages. | 14:22 |
| Spakman_ | ah, cool | 14:23 |
| alterego | Yeah, it's nice. Though the current error reporting strategy is a bit messy. So I need to work on that. | 14:23 |
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| alterego | I plan on creating a ruby daemon, which is launched when a ruby app is started. That daemon will handle error reporting. But I'm not going to work on that for a while. So I need to make the error reporting strategy with that in mind. | 14:25 |
| alterego | I see planet maemo is down again .. | 14:26 |
| timeless | hello world | 14:26 |
| alterego | Well, not updating .. | 14:26 |
| timeless | can someone talk me through deb packaging? :) | 14:26 |
| alterego | timeless, sure :) | 14:26 |
| alterego | It's quite simple really. | 14:26 |
| timeless | alterego: hello, i'm timeless (not root) | 14:27 |
| timeless | i want to make a .deb on a device where i am timeless (not root) | 14:27 |
| timeless | the file i want the deb to install needs to be root (not timeless) | 14:27 |
| alterego | Oh, _on_ the device .. | 14:27 |
| Spakman_ | alterego: error reporting sounds good | 14:27 |
| timeless | well, in a debian world | 14:27 |
| alterego | Have you ran dh_make ? | 14:27 |
| timeless | no :) | 14:27 |
| alterego | Firstly, go into your source root directory. | 14:28 |
| timeless | i don't have sources :) | 14:28 |
| alterego | How is your package organised then? | 14:28 |
| timeless | DEBIAN/*, tmp/* | 14:29 |
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| inz | timeless, rules usually builds the binaries (configure, make) and then uses multitude of debian helpers to create the package itself | 14:34 |
| pupnik | Please fasten your seat belts. | 14:35 |
| alterego | :) | 14:36 |
| timeless | so .... | 14:36 |
| timeless | how do i make the file ownership say root/root? | 14:37 |
| timeless | drwxr-xr-x timeless/other 0 2007-12-14 05:19:33 ./tmp/usr/lib/ | 14:37 |
| timeless | is not what i want :) | 14:37 |
| halley | chmod? | 14:37 |
| timeless | halley: mod is for xrw and friends | 14:37 |
| timeless | and i'm not root | 14:38 |
| timeless | i'm timeless | 14:38 |
| halley | Why did my fingers say chmod when I meant to say chown? You can't give a file to root. Root can take a file. | 14:39 |
| suihkulokki | rafl: fakeroot | 14:39 |
| dpb_ | that's why package building it run with fakeroot or something similar | 14:39 |
| suihkulokki | s/rafl/timeless/ | 14:39 |
| infobot | suihkulokki meant: timeless: fakeroot | 14:39 |
| timeless | halley: i said i'm not root :) | 14:39 |
| suihkulokki | fuck the bots | 14:39 |
| timeless | -bash: fakeroot: command not found | 14:39 |
| alterego | Uh oh .. | 14:40 |
| halley | ugh | 14:40 |
| dpb_ | well that needs to be installed then.. :) | 14:40 |
| alterego | Are you in the SDK? | 14:40 |
| timeless | /DEBIAN$ apt-cache search fakeroot|wc -l | 14:40 |
| timeless | 0 | 14:40 |
| timeless | no? | 14:40 |
| timeless | i hope i didn't mean to imply i was :) | 14:40 |
| halley | s/ugh/infobot is a piece of useless dung/ | 14:40 |
| infobot | halley meant: infobot is a piece of useless dung | 14:40 |
| timeless | err | 14:40 |
| timeless | i hope i didn't imply that i was | 14:41 |
| dpb_ | what distro are you using? | 14:41 |
| timeless | nexenta :) | 14:41 |
| suihkulokki | I suggest you follow the instructions literally instead of trying to reinvent the wheel without clue :) | 14:41 |
| timeless | literally? | 14:41 |
| * timeless frowns | 14:42 | |
| timeless | there has to be some simple way to change permissions of files inside an ar[chive] | 14:42 |
| dpb_ | weird if a debian based distro doesn't have fakeroot... | 14:42 |
| timeless | i'm not quite sure it fits the traditional definition of debian based distro | 14:43 |
| timeless | because usually when people say that, they mean debian gnu linux based distro | 14:43 |
| timeless | and this isn't that :) | 14:43 |
| dpb_ | I wonder if they build all packages as root then.. | 14:44 |
| * alterego installs scratchbox into his shiny debian etch guest OS. | 14:44 | |
| timeless | s/scratchbox/dung/ | 14:45 |
| * alterego likes scratchbox .. | 14:45 | |
| dpb_ | "gain-root-command might typically be fakeroot, sudo, super or really." <- does it have super or really then? :) | 14:45 |
| alterego | Spakman_, is there an easy way to share files between host and guest OS'? | 14:47 |
| alterego | I should probably just setup networking properly and give access to an NFS server .. | 14:47 |
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| Spakman_ | alterego: I've only done it via networking. I imagine, you could do something better though | 14:51 |
| alterego | Right | 14:54 |
| alterego | I think I'll just setup networking. It's something I'll end up using extensively anyway. | 14:54 |
| alterego | Probably use samba instead of NFS. To work with windows better .. | 14:55 |
| tontsa | if you are using vmware it has it's own samba integration | 14:56 |
| alterego | KVM | 14:56 |
| tontsa | oh no idea how that beast works | 14:56 |
| alterego | :) | 14:56 |
| alterego | Me either, but it's magick :D | 14:57 |
| robtaylor | alterego: can't you have a device thats mounted on both os's? | 14:57 |
| robtaylor | (with some LVM magic, i expect) | 14:58 |
| alterego | Maybe, I've really just started using it .. | 14:58 |
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| melmoth | problem is to find a filsystem that can handle such a situation. | 14:59 |
| melmoth | only one i know is GFS. using plain and simple nfs or samba would be easier | 14:59 |
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| alterego | Yeah, I'll be using a bit of both. I'm gonna stick my home directory under an NFS mount and then have a storage partition exported with samba. | 15:00 |
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| solmumaha | oh dear | 15:08 |
| solmumaha | portupgrade broke my freebsd | 15:08 |
| alterego | Kewl scratchbox is setup :) | 15:15 |
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| solmumaha | alterego: a weekly thing? ;) | 15:16 |
| alterego | No, just got a new desktop. | 15:16 |
| alterego | Playing around with guest OSes using KVM | 15:17 |
| alterego | Setup one for my maemo SDK. | 15:17 |
| alterego | (Also playing with compiz) .. | 15:17 |
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| alterego | This is going to make my life a _lot_ easier .. (KVM that is) :) | 15:17 |
| solmumaha | i thought you wanted a laptop | 15:18 |
| alterego | Yeah, I'm still getting a laptop. But this hardware was free ^_^ | 15:19 |
| solmumaha | stole it? | 15:20 |
| alterego | No, it was hidden in a 2U rack mount housing that work were chucking out. | 15:22 |
| alterego | So I was like, "Can I have this?" .. they said .. "Sure!" | 15:22 |
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| Spakman_ | alterego: do I need to do anything to unregister my plugin? If I remove it via the applets menu and try to start it again, I get this exception: | 15:30 |
| Spakman_ | #<OSSO::InitError: OSSO has already been initialized.> | 15:30 |
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| Khertan | Spakman_ > and on real n800 this crash the whole desktop :) | 15:31 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:32 |
| Khertan | alterego > no news about new ruby version with powerfull rulezall desktop binding ? :) | 15:32 |
| alterego | No news is good news :P | 15:32 |
| alterego | I'm working "silently" on it ;) | 15:32 |
| Khertan | right | 15:32 |
| alterego | I've not finished setting up my SDK yet ;) | 15:33 |
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| Khertan | just for information, yesterday i ve learned a bit more ruby and i've seen this sleep kernel method ... | 15:33 |
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| Khertan | so why not make a glib::timeout ... destroy it a call a while(true) loop with a sleep timeout ... | 15:34 |
| Khertan | that s a real bad idea :) | 15:34 |
| Khertan | this eat up cpu ... and freeze all things :) | 15:34 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:34 |
| Khertan | i ve tryed a restart ... hum ... freeze when maemo-desktop is launch | 15:34 |
| Khertan | so i ve think ... hum i ll try by ssh at home | 15:35 |
| Khertan | and when i was at home ... (20min later) | 15:35 |
| Khertan | i ve see that maemo-desktop has kill the widget ... :) | 15:35 |
| Khertan | great :) | 15:35 |
| Khertan | and all work again ... | 15:35 |
| Khertan | s/has kill/has killed | 15:36 |
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| Spakman_ | does anyone know if I need to do anything in my application to handle a "top" signal via OSSO, or is it all taken care of? | 15:41 |
| alterego | It's all taken care of. | 15:42 |
| Spakman_ | how can my application top itself (er... so to speak ;)) | 15:43 |
| inz | Spak, please don't | 15:45 |
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| alterego | Yeah .. Just use libnotify .. | 15:48 |
| alterego | Applications that top themselves are damn annoying. | 15:48 |
| alterego | Like MicroB .. | 15:48 |
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| Spakman_ | alterego, inz: I was planning to self top when I received an RPC via libosso. | 15:51 |
| Spakman_ | since context.application.top "myapp" doesn't seem to do anything (but my RPC is working) | 15:52 |
| alterego | Why would you recieve an RPC? | 15:53 |
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| Spakman_ | alterego: to explain, I have a desktop plugin that acts as a search interface to my main app. Once I cilck on a search result, I'd like my app to jump to the result (via a callback/rpc) and then come to the top. I've tried this by calling context.application.top "myapp" from the plugin, but without success. My app jumps to the result OK, but doesn't get topped. | 15:57 |
| alterego | Hmmm .. | 15:57 |
| alterego | Well, that sounds like an issue with LibOSSO not my bindings. | 15:58 |
| alterego | You would have thought that top would top an application that's already running. | 15:58 |
| Spakman_ | do I need to pass anything other than the application name? What sort of things would be in the second argument? | 15:59 |
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| Tak | damn, writing a ruby library wrapper is a black art | 16:05 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:05 |
| alterego | What are you trying to do Tak? | 16:05 |
| alterego | Spakman_, top just calls a program via the command line. The second argument is parameters to the command. | 16:06 |
| Tak | heh, right now I'm just trying to get a class to show up inside a module | 16:06 |
| alterego | If you want to put your window at the top of the stack. You're probably looking for something in Gtk. | 16:06 |
| Tak | eventually I was going to write a wrapper for lightmediascanner | 16:06 |
| alterego | Tak, rb_define_class_under(module, "ClassName", rb_cObject); | 16:06 |
| Tak | yeah, I did that, but it doesn't show up under irb after I compile, etc | 16:07 |
| alterego | Can I see the code? | 16:07 |
| Tak | hmm - the problem is with my C | 16:08 |
| Tak | if I make everything nonstatic, it's happy | 16:08 |
| alterego | Yeah, show me the code :P | 16:09 |
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| Tak | http://rafb.net/p/xf21SV30.html | 16:10 |
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| |tbb| | anyone got adblock on os2008 running? | 16:11 |
| Mikho | would somebody know where could I find instructions how to play simple sound clips in maemo? | 16:11 |
| alterego | Eesh, C++ comments in C code .. | 16:12 |
| alterego | Are you insane? :P | 16:12 |
| Mikho | what's wrong with c++ comments? | 16:12 |
| Tak | I refuse to use the retarded c-style comments | 16:12 |
| |tbb| | dont have the red ball which is descriped here http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/news/5/ | 16:12 |
| Mikho | Tak, I agree | 16:12 |
| inz | Mikho, #include <hildon/hildon-sound.h> hildon_play_system_sound("simple_sound_clip.wav"); | 16:13 |
| Mikho | oh | 16:13 |
| alterego | Meh, I'd never use C++ comments in C code. | 16:13 |
| alterego | It's wrong. | 16:13 |
| Mikho | alterego, you're wrong | 16:13 |
| alterego | And likely to break something if you ever need to port your code. | 16:13 |
| derf | Mikho: No. He's not. | 16:13 |
| Mikho | :P | 16:13 |
| alterego | Just because GCC "allows" it .. | 16:13 |
| Tak | there is no modern C compiler that does not support C++-style comments | 16:13 |
| sKaBoy | |tbb|, do you see adblock in the components list? try to load a new page (ex. www.google.com) and look in the bottom right corner.. in the html page, not in the toolbar | 16:13 |
| derf | Tak: Yes. There is. | 16:13 |
| Mikho | which compilers refuse to take them? | 16:14 |
| Tak | derf: I suspect you and I will disagree on what qualifies as "modern" then ;-) | 16:14 |
| derf | Lots of embedded toolchains. | 16:14 |
| inz | Mikho, do note that hildon_play_system_sound respects the "system sound" volume level setting | 16:14 |
| Tak | just be glad I'm not writing to C99 :-P | 16:14 |
| Mikho | never seen one | 16:14 |
| alterego | You're not? | 16:14 |
| Mikho | inz, thanks | 16:14 |
| alterego | You should :P | 16:14 |
| Tak | wtf | 16:14 |
| fcrozat | |tbb|: same problem as you :) | 16:14 |
| Tak | C++-style comments are part of C00 | 16:14 |
| Tak | s/00/99 | 16:14 |
| alterego | Exactly .. | 16:15 |
| * Tak blinks | 16:15 | |
| Tak | so...I /should/ write to C99, but I /shouldn't/ use C++ comments... | 16:15 |
| sbz | with -ansi, gcc doesn't accept any C++ comments :) | 16:15 |
| alterego | If c99 says C++ comments are okay. Then code in C99 .. | 16:16 |
| Tak | meh | 16:16 |
| sKaBoy | fcrozat, i see it! and then i've disabled the shortcut.. it was over the scrollbar.. | 16:16 |
| fcrozat | hmm, let's try again | 16:16 |
| fcrozat | btw, the latest greasemonkey package is not installable | 16:16 |
| alterego | Why are you declaring a static variable in the header file ? | 16:16 |
| Tak | I'll distribute a shell script with my source that changes the comment style :-P | 16:17 |
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| alterego | Hah | 16:17 |
| alterego | I'll add a filter to my SVN if you're going to use it :P | 16:17 |
| Mikho | probably even saves time | 16:17 |
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| Mikho | inz, is there a how-to page or other documentation about the sound system somewhere? Can't find it... | 16:18 |
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| inz | Mikho, depends on which sound system you want to use ;) | 16:19 |
| Mikho | hildon/hildon-sound.h and so on | 16:19 |
| inz | Mikho, well, if you read the header file itself, you'll see that there really is not anything else than the _play_system_sound | 16:19 |
| inz | Mikho, hildon_play_system_sound uses esd, for esd I've found the best documentation to be the header file | 16:20 |
| Mikho | i see | 16:20 |
| fcrozat | sKaBoy: no scrollbar here | 16:21 |
| inz | Mikho, and if you want to use gstreamer (which might be a leetle overkill for playing simple sounds), it probably has some decent documentation somewhere | 16:21 |
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| sKaBoy | fcrozat, do you see adblock in components list? | 16:21 |
| fcrozat | no | 16:21 |
| sKaBoy | oh | 16:21 |
| fcrozat | and it is correctly installed | 16:21 |
| sKaBoy | restarted browser ? | 16:21 |
| fcrozat | I rebooted my n800 :) | 16:21 |
| sKaBoy | ok :) | 16:22 |
| sKaBoy | dunno then! it works fine for me! | 16:22 |
| fcrozat | greasemonkey uninstalled too | 16:22 |
| Mikho | ok. Although I have a slight problem of not having speakers in my work computer... | 16:22 |
| sKaBoy | i don't have greasemonkey too.. only adblockplus | 16:22 |
| fcrozat | I uninstalled both and only reinstalled adblock, no success | 16:22 |
| sKaBoy | i have a n800 with os2008 | 16:22 |
| lardman | ah well I use C++ comments in C code | 16:23 |
| fysa | alterego, you notice a difference with the renderdelay setting you changed the other day? | 16:23 |
| fcrozat | sKaBoy: same here :) | 16:23 |
| lardman | and... the data are now being read correctly! yay! but the byte reading code is not returning what it should | 16:23 |
| sKaBoy | fcrozat, then.. file a bug :) | 16:23 |
| * Tak ^5 lardman | 16:23 | |
| inz | Mikho, esd is really simple for simple tasks -- you can play a sound (in a blocking way) with one function call | 16:23 |
| * Tak ^5 lardman again for correct data read | 16:23 | |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/error2.txt | 16:24 |
| fcrozat | sKaBoy: where ? bug report interface has not been enabled on garage for browser-extras :( | 16:24 |
| inz | Mikho, non-blocking requires n+2 | 16:25 |
| Mikho | hrm, I'd actually want non-blocking | 16:25 |
| inz | Mikho, sorry, n+4, but anyway | 16:25 |
| lardman | expected order is: 79, 103, 103, 83; which works when you read the buffer directly, but the byte reading code seems to switch each 16bit chunk round to bigendian mode | 16:25 |
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| lardman | perhaps it's an interaction between the endianness of the Neuros processor and the DSP | 16:27 |
| Mikho | n+4? | 16:27 |
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| |tbb| | fcrozat: good to hear | 16:36 |
| Mikho | ah, found much more info by searching "EsounD" than esd | 16:36 |
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| Spakman_ | Can anyone tell me how to self-top my app? http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_architecture.html#AppTopping suggests that's it's possible... | 16:40 |
| Spakman_ | ...but I don't know how :( - what is a "standard X message"? | 16:40 |
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| lardman | hmm, I think I might be able to fix my problem with a one character change to oggbyte_readi() (the character being a !) | 16:46 |
| * lardman feels all warm inside, for the time being | 16:47 | |
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| * fcrozat feels sad, coupons aren't yet working on french nokia webstore | 16:51 | |
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| nomis | fcrozat: neither in the german one. | 16:53 |
| fcrozat | hopefully tomorrow.. | 16:53 |
| fcrozat | since it is supposed to be the deadline | 16:53 |
| * nomis hopes that he'll get this before christmas. | 16:53 | |
| * fcrozat doesn't hope, so he won't be disappointed ;) | 16:55 | |
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| lopz | re | 17:02 |
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| Khertan | re | 17:08 |
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| Khertan | someone know what is the lib version of pygtk on the last pymaemo release , | 17:13 |
| Khertan | ? | 17:13 |
| sKaBoy | Khertan, dpkg reports 2.12.0 | 17:23 |
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| Khertan | ok thanks | 17:35 |
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| lardman | So do we reckon the codes will start working at 12 midnight GMT? | 17:40 |
| alterego | Hah, like f*ck they will :P | 17:40 |
| alterego | I doubt they'll be working until Monday. | 17:40 |
| alterego | s/Monday/January 2009/ | 17:41 |
| infobot | alterego meant: I doubt they'll be working until January 2009. | 17:41 |
| lardman | hmm | 17:41 |
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| lardman | well there's no reason to expect them to not meet the target they set | 17:41 |
| alterego | One would presume they said the 15th as a buffer for the changes in timezones. I'd also guess they were planning on getting it done _today_ .. | 17:41 |
| alterego | What, mid-November? | 17:42 |
| alterego | Maybe they meant 2008 .. | 17:42 |
| lardman | From my read it was *by* the 15th, so I'd assumed various stores would come online before then | 17:42 |
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| fcrozat | well, it has started appearing on many european shops since last saturday | 17:42 |
| fcrozat | s/shops/nokia webshops/ | 17:43 |
| infobot | fcrozat meant: well, it has started appearing on many european nokia webshops since last saturday | 17:43 |
| Khertan | Product not found. | 17:43 |
| fcrozat | infobot: thanks :p | 17:43 |
| infobot | fcrozat: gern geschehen | 17:43 |
| Khertan | still not available from france ;) | 17:43 |
| fcrozat | Khertan: it is available on nokia france website, but full price only :p | 17:44 |
| alterego | Yeah, it's on nokia.co.uk's shop | 17:44 |
| alterego | Maybe it does work and I'm ordering it wrong. | 17:45 |
| Khertan | fcrozat > yes of course ... i'm talking about this famous direct.nokia.com store where i suppose discount code will work | 17:45 |
| fcrozat | Khertan: no, this shop is closed for France now | 17:45 |
| alterego | I presumed the "promotion code" field was where we enter the code. But maybe it's not. I've not bothered checking out properly .. | 17:45 |
| fcrozat | you are supposed to go to boutique.nokia.com now | 17:45 |
| fcrozat | sorry, .fr | 17:45 |
| fcrozat | I called Nokia Direct in belgium on wednesday (for another other)) and they told me they don't manage the new french webshop | 17:46 |
| fcrozat | s/other/order/ | 17:46 |
| infobot | fcrozat meant: I called Nokia Direct in belgium on wednesday (for anorder other)) and they told me they don't manage the new french webshop | 17:46 |
| derf | When I ordered my N800, I had to call them up and do it over the phone. | 17:46 |
| derf | I never got the discount code to work with the online shop. | 17:46 |
| alterego | Holy sh*t, Nokia say that the final ordering date to get products before Christmas is the 16th! | 17:46 |
| derf | Even the guy I called had to transfer me to three different people before they found one who had any idea what I was talking about. | 17:46 |
| alterego | Has anyone tried ordering it over the phone yet? :) | 17:47 |
| Khertan | alterego > lol | 17:47 |
| Khertan | not me ... but maybe we should try :) | 17:47 |
| fcrozat | alterego: or 19th if you pay express shipping :) | 17:47 |
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| alterego | Yes .. Maybe we sould .. | 17:47 |
| derf | I mean, the N810 codes aren't active yet, are they? | 17:47 |
| Khertan | but haven't the time now :) | 17:47 |
| fcrozat | derf: no | 17:47 |
| fcrozat | but you credit card code is already active :) | 17:48 |
| alterego | I'm not paying £10 just because Nokia use crap expensive mailing people. | 17:48 |
| alterego | I bet they plan on getting it done by tomorrow. But something'll screw up and we wont get devices before Christmas. | 17:49 |
| alterego | There are people all over the world that have N810's already. And those of us that are the fortunate 500 are stuck waiting. | 17:49 |
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| alterego | Not the best of stratagies me things. | 17:49 |
| fcrozat | on the other hand, we are getting a discount, it is already a nice thing | 17:49 |
| alterego | ~thinks .. | 17:49 |
| alterego | Sure, but all those people that already have tablets and no software are losing out. | 17:50 |
| fcrozat | you don't need a n810 to develop on it ;) | 17:50 |
| derf | What are you talking about? The development environment is there. | 17:50 |
| derf | Surely you didn't want to _run_ your software before releasing it? | 17:50 |
| alterego | fcrozat, yes you do. | 17:50 |
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| alterego | How can you develop on something you don't have? | 17:50 |
| alterego | Sure, you can develop _in_ the SDK .. | 17:51 |
| alterego | But I can't write Ruby apps _on_ a device I don't have :P | 17:51 |
| derf | Sounds like a personal problem to me. | 17:51 |
| fcrozat | derf: like children waiting for their christmas present :) | 17:52 |
| alterego | I don't really mind. But if this is the last device that's going to have a developer/device program, I think they could have had a slightly better strategy. | 17:52 |
| Khertan | what i think is this device isn't only for dev ... | 17:54 |
| Khertan | there is blogger too which have get a discount code | 17:54 |
| alterego | Eh? | 17:54 |
| Khertan | so i think they wait until a more stable os2008 release | 17:54 |
| alterego | What? | 17:54 |
| alterego | That makes no sense .. | 17:54 |
| Khertan | to be sure there is less bad comment | 17:54 |
| Khertan | in blog | 17:54 |
| alterego | You can already buy N810's .. | 17:54 |
| alterego | It's the developers that can't .. | 17:55 |
| tontsa | os2008 is pretty stable except for the bluetooth.. atleast when connected to E70 | 17:55 |
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| alterego | Developers/Contributors. | 17:55 |
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| tontsa | well just this week those n810 started pouring to .fi shops, before it was few units here and there | 17:56 |
| Khertan | pss : i ve take a look at the Karma on maemo.org ... hum ... i think it need some adjustement | 17:56 |
| Khertan | i'm in the top 25 with a 265 karma point ... and you alterego you have only something around 67... | 17:56 |
| alterego | 69 | 17:57 |
| Khertan | and your ruby port is most precious than my little small applications ... | 17:57 |
| Khertan | (arround doesn't remember) | 17:57 |
| lardman | I've been knocked off the front page! | 17:57 |
| lardman | oh well | 17:58 |
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| lardman | Someone send me an IM for the first time today (on the N800 that is) | 17:59 |
| lardman | I was quite impressed, except that it will be muich nicer with a keyboard so you can see the screen | 17:59 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:01 |
| alterego | Khertan, my karma seems about right. I do watch it pretty closely. | 18:01 |
| alterego | So, who's gonna stay up till midnight and try and place an order? | 18:01 |
| alterego | I'm out this evening, but I'll try when I get back ^_^ | 18:02 |
| Khertan | what i mean is that your karma point should be higher ... | 18:02 |
| Khertan | i'm out too .... | 18:02 |
| fysa | whoop, crashed | 18:02 |
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| alterego | Khertan, sure. Unfortunately whatever God that maemo believes in isn't all seeing ;) | 18:02 |
| lardman | midnight gmt I can manage, not sure about midnight Finnish time tho | 18:02 |
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| lardman | oh, that's earlier isn;'t it | 18:02 |
| lardman | been a long day, time to go home me thinks | 18:03 |
| fysa | alterego, get my message on that about:config paintdelay setting? | 18:03 |
| Khertan | lardman > it france midnight - 1 | 18:03 |
| alterego | Yeah, we should check now. It's midnight already in Australia. | 18:03 |
| Khertan | it s france midnight - 1 hours :) | 18:03 |
| alterego | "The coupon code that you have entered is invalid" | 18:03 |
| alterego | :( | 18:03 |
| Khertan | lol | 18:03 |
| Tak | are we comparing timezones now? mine's bigger! | 18:03 |
| lardman | ah, but mine's the original ;) | 18:04 |
| alterego | It's actually 3am in Melbourne .. | 18:04 |
| Khertan | 5am here | 18:04 |
| alterego | This kind of reminds me when you're a kid, and you wait up sitting under the Christmas tree for Santa ^_^ | 18:05 |
| Khertan | right :) | 18:05 |
| alterego | Where are you Khertan? | 18:05 |
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| lardman | NZ? | 18:06 |
| alterego | It's 5am in NZ .. | 18:06 |
| lardman | 5am on a school/work night! | 18:06 |
| Khertan | alterego > remember than when you apply for the dev program you have choose a nokia store | 18:06 |
| alterego | Think of all those Russians and Chinese trying to order N810's _right_ now :D | 18:06 |
| Khertan | so i think code is ok only for this store. | 18:06 |
| alterego | Khertan, sure. And I chose the UK shop. | 18:07 |
| Khertan | oups i mean 5pm | 18:07 |
| alterego | Khertan, oh. Well you're still in the 14th | 18:07 |
| alterego | I'm saying there are quite a few countries now that are in the 15th .. | 18:08 |
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| fnordianslip | Hi. My first ever time using IRC is a question about OS2008 on n800... | 18:08 |
| Khertan | in the 14th ? | 18:08 |
| alterego | The date, where _you_) are! | 18:09 |
| Khertan | ah ! | 18:09 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:09 |
| Khertan | 14th :( | 18:09 |
| fnordianslip | Trying to upgrade libsofia-sip-ua0 but have strange dependency problem. | 18:09 |
| lardman | Khertan: so you're not in NZ then, it all becomes clear | 18:10 |
| fnordianslip | anyone else seen it? | 18:10 |
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| lardman | fnordianslip: what's the error? | 18:10 |
| lardman | if it's long use pastebin | 18:10 |
| Khertan | lardman > no i'm not in nz :) | 18:11 |
| Khertan | just try to cheat with proxy ... but code refused :) | 18:11 |
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| alterego | Heh | 18:12 |
| alterego | That wouldn't work if the codes are locked to location anyway .. | 18:12 |
| Khertan | yes | 18:12 |
| Khertan | it was i remember me the location pref when i apply :) | 18:13 |
| alterego | What we need to do is phone a fortunate 500 in NZ .. | 18:13 |
| Khertan | lol | 18:13 |
| lardman | I doubt they'd be happy being woken at 5am :) | 18:13 |
| alterego | Or Aus, or China .. | 18:13 |
| alterego | It's only midnight in China .. | 18:13 |
| fnordianslip | in AppMan, dependency shown to libsofia-sip-ua0(=1.12.6-0osso8) ... | 18:13 |
| alterego | I'm sure there are plenty of Chinese awake. | 18:13 |
| Khertan | i think that we will get a new os2008 release today too ... but it 's 18pm in finland ... so not today | 18:13 |
| lardman | or, we could wait <8hrs 'till the 15th starts in GMT | 18:14 |
| fnordianslip | think the '=' character might be causing the problem, as i seem to have the right lib already | 18:14 |
| Tak | fnordianslip: that means it depends on that specific version of that package | 18:14 |
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| Khertan | lardman > too long ... have you never to find xmas package before xmas when you ve been a kid ? :) | 18:15 |
| Khertan | s/never/never try | 18:15 |
| alterego | Cool, ad blocker for microb .. | 18:15 |
| * alterego installs. | 18:15 | |
| lardman | Khertan: yeah, I know, but I've waited this long, a little longer won't hurt me | 18:15 |
| Khertan | yeah ... me too :) | 18:15 |
| Khertan | but funny to chat about :) | 18:16 |
| lardman | fnordianslip: you said you're trying to upgrade libsofia-sip-ua0? Why? The error message is for some other package presumably, is it saying that no it won't upgrade as something else needs that version? | 18:16 |
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| fnordianslip | tak: tnx. I grok that, but wonder if that = needs to be there, as the dependency is satified, the osso8 0acakg3 8s 8ns5all3d. is the '=' a typo somewhere | 18:17 |
| fnordianslip | oops. damn su8w kebd takes some getting used to. | 18:18 |
| alterego | Waste of money. | 18:18 |
| fnordianslip | lol | 18:18 |
| alterego | I opted for a 21cm wide USB micro keyboard .. | 18:18 |
| alterego | It's perfect. Has _all_ the buttons on a regular qwerty .. | 18:19 |
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| fnordianslip | i don't know which package pulled the sofia stuff in, but it won't upgrade and I think the package metadata has a typo | 18:20 |
| Tak | fnordianslip: the syntax looks right to me | 18:20 |
| Tak | because it can also be >, <, >=, <=, ... | 18:20 |
| lardman | if it really depends on that version then the metadata are correct, but usually one sees >= I think | 18:20 |
| lardman | anyway, home time, bye chaps | 18:20 |
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| fnordianslip | k. i'll investigate further. tnx. | 18:21 |
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| Khertan | i'll go to home ... bye | 18:27 |
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| fnordianslip | regarding my lib-sofia-ua0 problem. the lib is present and shown by AppMan as being present. What might be wrong? Can I force the upgrade somehow using apt-get? | 18:30 |
| fnordianslip | er. got the lib name wrong in last msg. | 18:31 |
| fnordianslip | i'll do it right if anone cares... | 18:31 |
| flip^ | is there any news on when n800 users will get a non-beta release of os2008? | 18:32 |
| Khertan | flip^ > in few times | 18:32 |
| flip^ | in few times? | 18:34 |
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| sKaBoy | fnordianslip, appmamnager tells you that a program that you are installing/uphrading requires that library at that exact version and you don't have it.. so.. what you are installing/upgrading? | 18:34 |
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| marcelo | hi | 18:35 |
| marcelo | has anyone flashed a n810 in macOS X? | 18:35 |
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| fnordianslip | sKaBoy. Do you like Ska? I'm just trying to run the upgrades offered in AppMan (Red Pill). Seems that the dependency is satisfied from wot i can tell, but neither AppMan nor apt-get will install it. | 18:37 |
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| Tak | maybe he likes Ka | 18:40 |
| fnordianslip | the Ford thingy? I shouldnt think so. | 18:40 |
| sKaBoy | nah, the music :) | 18:40 |
| fnordianslip | Ka? music? | 18:41 |
| Tak | no, not the ford thingy | 18:41 |
| Tak | the thingy from The Dark Tower | 18:41 |
| sKaBoy | fnordianslip, don't know then.. | 18:41 |
| fnordianslip | lol. Come from Coventry and met most of the Specials. | 18:41 |
| sKaBoy | ska, the music! | 18:41 |
| sKaBoy | cool | 18:41 |
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| fnordianslip | long time ago tho | 18:41 |
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| fnordianslip | so, can i force the package upgrade thu apt-get? | 18:42 |
| rothiel | bonne soirée les gens | 18:42 |
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| red-zack | mh, what do i need to watch youtube vids on my 770? | 18:44 |
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| Tak | heh, jour ici | 18:44 |
| pupnik | red-zack: i download em and run mplayer - you can also download the python script "youtube-dl" and i think uktube works on 770 also | 18:45 |
| red-zack | pupnik: sure, a vid downloader is possible. but watch them directly via web, /java/flash/wackowacko/foo isnt? | 18:46 |
| Tak | I wonder if the videodownloader extension(s) would work with microb | 18:46 |
| Tak | I think youtube requires a newer version of flash than is available for 770 | 18:46 |
| pupnik | i installed flash9 on opera (i think) - lemme try for fun | 18:46 |
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| pupnik | i'm bummed, nokia.de now has N810s but no email about activation code | 18:48 |
| pupnik | should i just call the store? | 18:48 |
| pupnik | and try to give my code? | 18:48 |
| pupnik | youtube in browser not showing video red-zack | 18:50 |
| pupnik | it's all corrupted | 18:50 |
| red-zack | gr | 18:50 |
| fysa | video downloader with a couple of mods would be perfect for youtube. | 18:51 |
| red-zack | no youporn and no youtube. gr | 18:51 |
| __Handful__ | has anyone tried flashing the n810 with that flasher-macosx? | 18:51 |
| red-zack | vid dl are pissing me | 18:51 |
| fysa | then spend money and get a new maemo device | 18:52 |
| red-zack | gr, money, grr. | 18:52 |
| fysa | you didn't buy the 770 on the promise of flash pornography. | 18:52 |
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| red-zack | "wuuhh pornography" | 18:53 |
| Tak | fysa: maybe YOU didn't! | 18:53 |
| fysa | {QQ} | 18:54 |
| pupnik | it's not like you can't download them. | 18:54 |
| fysa | download a bunch on your PC, then use mplayer to watch them. | 18:54 |
| fnordianslip | Handful: not an 810 but an 800 with OS2008 - works fine on intel | 18:57 |
| fysa | I can tell now that moving downwind walking distance of a half-dozen delicious restaurants is going to be very bad. | 18:58 |
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| Tak | any lightmediascanner people about? | 19:03 |
| __Handful__ | fnordianslip: yes.. I used also =) but now.. quite "scare" | 19:03 |
| __Handful__ | Tak: maybe me | 19:03 |
| __Handful__ | Tak: do you need something? | 19:03 |
| __Handful__ | I think gustavo uploaded the packages yesterday to garage | 19:03 |
| Tak | I'm wondering - is there a way to add an already-instantiated parser? e.g. an lms_plugin_t* instance, rather than a .so path? | 19:04 |
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| Tak | ...and would this be a better conversation for #canola ? | 19:05 |
| fnordianslip | Handful: not sure what you mean ??? | 19:05 |
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| __Handful__ | fnordianslip: I am scare to try with the n810 | 19:06 |
| __Handful__ | Tak: well for that I think you will need to email gustavo ( barbieri@gmail.com ) maybe he can answer you in a couple hours | 19:07 |
| fnordianslip | well, i thought i'd bricked this n800 a few times, but flashing has always worked for me from Linux and MacIntel | 19:08 |
| Tak | it's not a fantastically huge deal - I'll catch him when he's around | 19:09 |
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| __Handful__ | ok =) | 19:11 |
| __Handful__ | fnordianslip: yeah =) thanks for the info.. I think I will try it later heeheh | 19:11 |
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| fnordianslip | are u gonna dual boot or is there an upgrade for th 810? | 19:12 |
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| __Handful__ | I just want a clean install | 19:14 |
| pupnik | hmm, i can see the fnordianslip! | 19:14 |
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| __Handful__ | I want to test canola2 on the n810 (there was only one) and it was there before I started the last trip | 19:15 |
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| fnordianslip | I don't expect you'll have any problems then. | 19:16 |
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| fnordianslip | its flasher-2.0.macosx i've been using | 19:17 |
| Andy80 | hi all | 19:18 |
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| __Handful__ | fnordianslip: thanks.. I will test it today =) | 19:19 |
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| giskard | ciao andrea | 19:34 |
| giskard | i read your post about nokia italia ;) | 19:34 |
| giskard | thank you for give us hope | 19:35 |
| giskard | ;) | 19:35 |
| Andy80 | hi :) | 19:35 |
| Andy80 | but I've the same informations that all have | 19:35 |
| Andy80 | nothing more | 19:35 |
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| ustunozgur | hi friends; i have purchased an n800 but since I'm not in US I made it sent to a friend in US. However, she says that the device couldnt recognize the wireless networks around except two. Since I dont have access to the device now, what are the options and possible reasons? do you think it would be solved by a software update? | 19:51 |
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| lardman | derf: do you happen to know whether there's an explanation of the ogg crc algorithm floating around somewhere? | 19:52 |
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| dragorn | Anyone know any tricks for speeding up cairo rendering on maemo? | 19:52 |
| dragorn | (code-wise, I mean) | 19:52 |
| dragorn | Right now I'm doing offscreen rendering to a cairo surface then blitting that across as the gtk update event | 19:53 |
| lardman | ah ha, this might be just the thing for me http://xiph.org/vorbis/doc/framing.html | 19:53 |
| ustunozgur | can it be due to 802.11n? | 19:54 |
| dragorn | 11n would have little to nothing to do with it | 19:54 |
| fysa | an 802.11n router may need to be set to g/n mode | 19:55 |
| dragorn | if you're trying t connect to a specific network known to be 11n, yes | 19:55 |
| fysa | broadcast SSID may be turned off, which wouldn't keep the device from connecting | 19:55 |
| dragorn | it would have to allow 11g clients. | 19:55 |
| fysa | but would keep it from finding the network | 19:55 |
| dragorn | fysa: Depends on the filtering methods in the display. Strictly speaking, no. If the maemo display code filters out HT-only networks, then yes. | 19:56 |
| ustunozgur | ok, thanks. is there a way to understand if the connection is 802.11n or not without going to router settings? | 19:56 |
| dragorn | if the complaint is simply "not seeing a lot of networks around", which is how I interpreted it, unless you're not seeing a known network, that's a fuzzy thing to diagnose | 19:56 |
| fysa | there's not | 19:57 |
| fysa | you need to get into the router settings and check. | 19:57 |
| fysa | there was a bug where the N800 could not see any networks if it was in range of an incompatible draft n netowrk. | 19:57 |
| ustunozgur | dragorn: and also given that it doesnt see a lot and the probability of them being all 11n is low i guess | 19:57 |
| ustunozgur | ok, thanks. | 19:58 |
| fysa | try setting the router to G *only* first | 19:58 |
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| fysa | and make sure broadcast SSID is turned on. | 19:58 |
| dragorn | fysa: really | 19:58 |
| dragorn | fysa: I hadn't heard that | 19:58 |
| fysa | maybe you should read up on it then :P | 19:58 |
| dragorn | fysa: That's a good bug, there. :) | 19:58 |
| fysa | ;) | 19:58 |
| dragorn | Got a link? | 19:58 |
| fysa | https://maemo.org/bugzilla/ | 19:59 |
| fysa | should be there | 19:59 |
| dragorn | yeah I don't have the time to go searching through tht, I'll just bring up some HT networks and see what happens | 19:59 |
| ustunozgur | oh then would that mean, even if a neighbour for example had that particular draft n router, it would make n800 blind? | 19:59 |
| ustunozgur | strange | 20:00 |
| fysa | possibly(?) -- but I would just try those things first | 20:00 |
| fysa | 802.11n routers themselves have issues | 20:00 |
| fysa | some don't operate properly with n+g simultaneous mode | 20:00 |
| ustunozgur | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1459 | 20:00 |
| fysa | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=802.11n | 20:00 |
| ustunozgur | alright, thank you a lot. | 20:00 |
| ustunozgur | i hope it is not a hardware problem. | 20:01 |
| fysa | it's firmware-related | 20:01 |
| fysa | so it will likely be fixed 'eventually' | 20:01 |
| Tak | "could not realloc 'convs': Success" -- hooray? | 20:01 |
| Andy80 | does anyone of you use python2.5-gpsbt module? | 20:01 |
| fysa | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1656 | 20:02 |
| fysa | maybe some info there that can help, similar bug | 20:02 |
| fysa | (or dupe) | 20:02 |
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| ustunozgur | ok, thanks fysa | 20:08 |
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| lardman | hmm, bus error | 20:15 |
| lardman | ~lart tremor on the dsp | 20:15 |
| * infobot says "boot to the head" and knocks tremor on the dsp over | 20:15 | |
| lardman | :) | 20:15 |
| lardman | night | 20:15 |
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| Tak | http://rafb.net/p/F2BKT229.html | 21:26 |
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| giskard | yeye | 22:06 |
| giskard | the n810 can be purchased also in italy | 22:06 |
| giskard | with the discount code | 22:07 |
| pupnik | how how hwo how | 22:08 |
| Tak | 10 goto italy | 22:08 |
| pupnik | just call up the store and give the code? | 22:08 |
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| giskard | Il codice del buono inserito non è valido. == the code you have inserted is not valid | 22:09 |
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| zapada | how fast can you type on the n800? | 22:35 |
| mgedmin | very fast, especially if you've got a full-size usb keyboard :-) | 22:35 |
| zapada | what if you are just using the touchscreen keyboard? | 22:36 |
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| mgedmin | speaking of touchscreen keyboards, the touchscreen on my n800 is off, and I'm unable to calibrate it | 22:36 |
| mgedmin | the tap is recognized about half a virtual key's worth to the left | 22:37 |
| zapada | andah | 22:37 |
| zapada | are they all like that? | 22:37 |
| mgedmin | yes | 22:38 |
| mgedmin | with the paint tool, if I pick the largest brush, the end of my stylus is on the rightmost side of the circle | 22:39 |
| mgedmin | rather than in the center | 22:39 |
| fysa | what happens when you calibrate? | 22:39 |
| mgedmin | I've tried the screen calibration from the home screen menu a few times, no change | 22:39 |
| mgedmin | I deliberately tried to miscalibrate once by hitting to the left of the circles | 22:39 |
| mgedmin | no difference | 22:39 |
| fysa | if you can't calibrate properly, try calibrating intentionally off the distance that's wrong | 22:39 |
| fysa | ah | 22:39 |
| mgedmin | do you need to reboot for the calibration settings to take hold? | 22:39 |
| fysa | not sure, but worth a shot | 22:39 |
| fysa | otherwise you may want to try to backup/reflash | 22:39 |
| zapada | are any of you typing from an n800 righ tnow? | 22:40 |
| zapada | would i be able to keep up with irc chat on my n800? | 22:40 |
| fysa | not at the moment. I use IRC all the time though | 22:40 |
| fysa | X-Chat | 22:40 |
| * zapada is thinking of buying himself one for christmas ;) | 22:40 | |
| fysa | it's plenty fast to keep up with a casual conversation. can get annoying if the conversation gets technical. | 22:40 |
| zapada | how technical? | 22:40 |
| fysa | I just brought mine on a business trip as a laptop replacement. | 22:40 |
| zapada | does it do what most laptops can do? | 22:41 |
| fysa | was perfect with an Apple Wireless keyboard | 22:41 |
| fysa | (tiny) | 22:41 |
| zapada | can you program on the n800? | 22:41 |
| zapada | or is it too much of a pain to put in brackets and stuff | 22:41 |
| zapada | unless of course you have an external keyboad | 22:41 |
| BeBraw | shouldn't py work? | 22:41 |
| fysa | I don't suggest you program with the on-screen keyboard. | 22:41 |
| fysa | most serious development is done in a VMware instance | 22:41 |
| zapada | is it easy to browse websites? | 22:41 |
| fysa | for the price I paid at buy.com, I consider it an absolute steal | 22:42 |
| zapada | ah, where can i virtualize the n800 os to see what it's like? | 22:42 |
| zapada | how much did you pay? | 22:42 |
| mgedmin | ooh, apple wireless keyboards are sweet | 22:42 |
| fysa | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 22:42 |
| BeBraw | if you want to develop software for it, check out scratchbox | 22:42 |
| zapada | does xfce work well on the os? | 22:42 |
| mgedmin | I wouldn't say web browsing on a n800 is easy, but it is at least possible | 22:43 |
| fysa | with an apple wireless keyboard and ssh, I was able to do 'real work' (programming -- few bug fixes, couple SQL statements) | 22:43 |
| mgedmin | well, maybe it is easy too, but it is less convenient than browsing on a laptop | 22:43 |
| zapada | how much does an apple keyboard cost? | 22:43 |
| mgedmin | carrying the n800 around, otoh, is much more convenient than a laptop | 22:43 |
| fysa | think of it as a 7 year old laptop that fits in your pocket and doesn't have a keyboard ;) | 22:43 |
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| zapada | heh | 22:43 |
| fysa | are you new to Linux? | 22:44 |
| zapada | me? | 22:44 |
| pupnik | DOS is the superior operating system | 22:44 |
| mgedmin | was | 22:44 |
| fysa | yeah, nothing shameful if you're not a Linux pro -- but it helps if you want to tinker around more. | 22:44 |
| pupnik | i am being silly http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html | 22:44 |
| zapada | how many WPM can you type using the onscreen keyboard | 22:45 |
| fysa | never tried testing that | 22:45 |
| zapada | also, is there a SNES emulator for maemo? | 22:46 |
| fysa | I do a 'relaxed' 80-110 on a regular keyboard, no onscreen keyboard will compete with that and I'm never going to try to do development on it without a keyboard. just get a foldable bluetooth keyboard if you want something small. | 22:46 |
| fysa | I can imagine that even the IR keyboard would be quicker. | 22:47 |
| fysa | can probably manage 30-40wpm on the N800 I'm guessing | 22:47 |
| fysa | like I said, quick enough for a convo but can be frustrating to use SSH from the onscreen | 22:47 |
| zapada | ok | 22:48 |
| zapada | is it a good device to write notes on? | 22:48 |
| mgedmin | pencil and paper is better :-) | 22:48 |
| * mgedmin once tried taking lecture notes on his Palm | 22:48 | |
| mgedmin | it's possible, but not necessarily pleasant | 22:48 |
| fysa | if you have a keyboard, it's perfect | 22:49 |
| zapada | what about writing quick notes as reminders? | 22:49 |
| fysa | quick notes are fine | 22:49 |
| zapada | would it be easily accessible for that? | 22:49 |
| fysa | zapada: youtube.com | 22:49 |
| fysa | search for N800 | 22:49 |
| fysa | you will find a few reviews -- those helped me in making my decision. | 22:49 |
| fysa | I bought this one a few months back and use it every single day. | 22:49 |
| fysa | I had the first Palm, a couple WinCE devices.. some dotcom-era web 'tablets' | 22:50 |
| fysa | and none of those would stick with me. | 22:50 |
| fysa | excuse my language, but fuck 'syncing' | 22:50 |
| zapada | if i use it for IM, and web browsing mostly, how long would the battery last? | 22:50 |
| * mgedmin is very harsh, but wouldn't want to be separated from his beloved N800 for more than 5 minutes | 22:50 | |
| fysa | I can access my google calendar anywhere, I can get my gmail anywhere | 22:50 |
| fysa | (I email all notes to myself via gmail and use labels to tag) | 22:50 |
| zapada | does gmail work nicely on the n800? | 22:50 |
| fysa | gmail is usable, slightly slow | 22:51 |
| fysa | 'Modest' is a gmail-compatible client that is much quicker | 22:51 |
| fysa | and in beta now | 22:51 |
| zapada | can you run firefox on the n800? | 22:51 |
| fysa | comes with MicroB, which is based on the same core as firefox | 22:51 |
| fysa | check | 22:51 |
| fysa | youtube. | 22:51 |
| fysa | watch those reviews. | 22:51 |
| zapada | ok | 22:51 |
| fysa | as soon as I watched one or two, I knew it was right for me. | 22:51 |
| fysa | before that it was just a jumble of info in my head. | 22:52 |
| fysa | it's 100% perfect for IM | 22:52 |
| fysa | excellent for email | 22:52 |
| fysa | usable for browsing (more so than any other device that size or smaller that I've seen) | 22:52 |
| zapada | does netvibes.com load? | 22:52 |
| zapada | on the n800 | 22:52 |
| zapada | it has quite extensive javascript | 22:52 |
| fysa | if it works on firefox, it should work on the N800 | 22:53 |
| mgedmin | heh, is IMAP called "gmail-compatible" these days? :) | 22:53 |
| fysa | mgedmin: now that I get my labels? yes ;) | 22:53 |
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| mgedmin | when's the official OS2008 upgrade for the N800? | 22:53 |
| fysa | not sure | 22:54 |
| mgedmin | the older OS came with an Opera-based browser, OS2008 comes with a Mozilla-based one | 22:54 |
| zapada | has anyone here installed a sshd on their n800? | 22:54 |
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| fysa | yes, works fine | 22:55 |
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| fysa | rsync/scp work | 22:55 |
| zapada | is that little camera a separate thing to buy? | 22:56 |
| mgedmin | no, it's built-in | 22:56 |
| zapada | sweet | 22:56 |
| mgedmin | doesn't work very well when it's dark | 22:56 |
| mgedmin | or darkish | 22:56 |
| zapada | is the wifi reception good? | 22:57 |
| fysa | better than my laptop was | 22:57 |
| zapada | have you stopped using your laptop because of the n800? | 22:58 |
| fysa | sold my laptop, got the N800 before getting a replacement, have yet to get a replacement | 22:59 |
| fysa | if you do heavy MS Office-type stuff on a laptop, this may not be so hot. | 22:59 |
| zapada | i was thinking of buying a laptop recently until i saw someone on campus with an n800 last week | 22:59 |
| fysa | so why don't you ask to try it? | 22:59 |
| zapada | i don't know who it was | 23:00 |
| Tak | or mug him and take it | 23:00 |
| zapada | :O | 23:00 |
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| fysa | or mug him and give it to Tak as a show of good faith | 23:00 |
| zapada | would it be acceptable for sshing into servers for basic admin? | 23:00 |
| Tak | that's how I got my 770 | 23:00 |
| mgedmin | Asus Eee PC is also an option if you want a laptop replacement | 23:00 |
| mgedmin | that doesn't necessarily have to fit in a pocket | 23:00 |
| zapada | hmm | 23:01 |
| zapada | isn't it like $500? | 23:01 |
| fysa | I've ssh'd in to reboot servers and check on things, but you will want to keep a bluetooth keyboard handy somewhere. | 23:01 |
| zapada | i would rather get the new nokia | 23:01 |
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| mgedmin | n810 is $480, isn't it? | 23:01 |
| fysa | even if it's just in your glove box. | 23:01 |
| mgedmin | yeah, n800 is a better deal | 23:01 |
| zapada | does google maps work well? | 23:01 |
| mgedmin | n800 doesn't have an RJ-45 jack, though | 23:01 |
| mgedmin | there's maemo mapper that can use google maps rather well | 23:01 |
| fysa | http://www.hanno.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/bt-keyboard.jpg | 23:02 |
| pupnik | why should i buy a n810 when the eee is so much better? | 23:02 |
| Tak | google maps seems to work ok with microb | 23:02 |
| mgedmin | eee doesn't fit in a shirt pocket | 23:02 |
| fysa | I was thinking about carrying around a fresnel to magnify my N800 screen. ;) | 23:03 |
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| zapada | fysa, that looks cute :P | 23:06 |
| zapada | how much does that keyboard cost? | 23:07 |
| fysa | amazon.com | 23:07 |
| fysa | bluetooth keyboard | 23:07 |
| fysa | folding bluetooth keyboard | 23:07 |
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| fysa | I would suggest it if you want to take notes during class. | 23:07 |
| fysa | you will have to look at the onscreen to take notes, but if you're decent at touch typing you won't need to glance at the keyboard and can actually pay attention. | 23:08 |
| fysa | they had the N800 at CompUSA here to try. | 23:08 |
| fysa | but.. | 23:08 |
| fysa | they're gone now. :P | 23:08 |
| fysa | also you can try the iPhone/iPod Touch if you're new to onscreen keyboards. however fast you can type on that, it will be a bit slower on the N800 | 23:08 |
| zapada | why would it be slower on n800? | 23:11 |
| shackan | fysa: what about.. pen and pencil? | 23:11 |
| zapada | if i could install linux on the touch i would probably get it | 23:11 |
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| shackan | and you can't type math on a keyboard | 23:12 |
| zapada | you can type latex | 23:12 |
| zapada | what about voice recognition? | 23:12 |
| zapada | does the n800 have voice to text? | 23:12 |
| shackan | hahahahaha, sure, if you're VERY fact | 23:12 |
| shackan | *fast | 23:12 |
| zapada | setup macros that type certain things based on voice recognition? | 23:13 |
| shackan | zapada: uh? no it doesn't | 23:13 |
| fysa | who writes down math now anyway? :P | 23:13 |
| fysa | that's why TI calcs are mandatory | 23:13 |
| shackan | fysa: wtf? | 23:13 |
| shackan | in this part of the world you're not supposed to use calculators... | 23:14 |
| fysa | in highschool maybe. | 23:14 |
| fysa | in the real world you use a calculator. | 23:14 |
| zapada | in my univeersity first year courses calculators are not allowed on exams | 23:15 |
| shackan | zapada: right | 23:15 |
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| fysa | yeah, and neither would your N800 | 23:15 |
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| zapada | can you run gnuplot on the n800? | 23:15 |
| zapada | and octave? | 23:16 |
| fysa | there's some plotting software out there I believe | 23:16 |
| Tak | also lybniz | 23:16 |
| zapada | ah yes | 23:16 |
| zapada | has anyone gotten octave to work on the n800? | 23:16 |
| wumpus | yeah, calculators weren't allowed on some of our exams either, it's too easy to store entire text files in them these days :P | 23:16 |
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| zapada | has anyone here tried xfce on the n800 | 23:17 |
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| bedboi | me | 23:20 |
| zapada | does it work as well as the maemo gui? | 23:21 |
| bedboi | well, no | 23:21 |
| bedboi | xfce is not designed for small screen devices | 23:22 |
| bedboi | btw it's not that bad | 23:22 |
| fysa | bedboi: you try a bt mouse with xfce? | 23:26 |
| bedboi | nope | 23:26 |
| bedboi | i do not have such a thing | 23:26 |
| bedboi | btw it's quite pointless using a mouse | 23:26 |
| tontsa | why would you want to have mouse in a such a small screen | 23:27 |
| fysa | does the XFCE package come with its own x11 server? | 23:27 |
| bedboi | i mean, it's geeky and all, but it's kinda useless | 23:27 |
| fysa | no, precisely the opposite. | 23:27 |
| bedboi | fysa: maemo relies on X11 | 23:27 |
| fysa | the smaller the screen, the more usable a mouse becomes compared to a fat finger. | 23:27 |
| fysa | obviously :P | 23:27 |
| tontsa | you must get bad shoulder pains if you try to squint the screen and move the mouse with other hand | 23:28 |
| bedboi | fysa: bringing a mouse of the same size of the device is not so good | 23:28 |
| fysa | bt mouth support and a pointer would let you hit smaller widgets and get more usable deskspace. | 23:28 |
| fysa | no, it works excellently | 23:28 |
| fysa | just not with hildon | 23:28 |
| fysa | with XFCE or KDE. | 23:28 |
| fysa | there's no other way. they aren't designed for your finger blocking the screen. | 23:28 |
| fysa | and this is for setting the device down | 23:29 |
| fysa | with a bt keyboard | 23:29 |
| fysa | and using the fold-out stand. | 23:29 |
| fysa | I can program/ssh perfectly. | 23:29 |
| bedboi | i'm not sure i'm following | 23:29 |
| fysa | with a mouse, I could use spreadsheets. | 23:29 |
| fysa | having right-click is very important | 23:29 |
| fysa | and not dealing with the slowless of the screen, the poor friction | 23:30 |
| tontsa | the stylus is quite accurate. i don't see the point of getting such a small device/screen if i wanna do desktop work sitting down at the desktop | 23:30 |
| fysa | and interfaces not designed to be blocked by your finger | 23:30 |
| fysa | .. | 23:30 |
| bedboi | yep | 23:30 |
| fysa | because it's pointless to try to use a bluetooth keyboard and stylus. | 23:30 |
| bedboi | i agree with tontsa | 23:30 |
| fysa | bluetooth keyboard + bluetooth mouse. | 23:30 |
| fysa | that's your choice. | 23:30 |
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| bedboi | fysa: i'm not flaming :) | 23:30 |
| fysa | reaching from the keyboard to pick up the stylus is excrutiatingly slow. | 23:30 |
| tontsa | n810's keyboard is good. and with stylus everything is happy. atleast for me | 23:30 |
| fysa | like VNC | 23:30 |
| fysa | VNC is absolutely retarded with the touch screen. | 23:31 |
| fysa | I'm talking as a laptop replacement. | 23:31 |
| bedboi | tontsa: i'm quite happy with thumb keyboard | 23:31 |
| bedboi | it's very handy | 23:31 |
| fysa | Hildon + touch when it's in your pocket. | 23:31 |
| tontsa | rdesktop worked well. i haven't seen vnc for 810 yet | 23:31 |
| fysa | bt keyboard + bt mouse at the office. | 23:31 |
| fysa | I travel quite often and develop software. | 23:31 |
| fysa | I like to be able to work where ever I am. | 23:31 |
| fysa | without lugging around a laptop.. that's my purpose. if you don't have a purpose, obviously trying to use a mouse on such a screen doesn't make sense. | 23:32 |
| tontsa | for real work i'd recommend a real laptop so you won't end up blind and with bad back pains | 23:32 |
| fysa | thanks, doctor. | 23:32 |
| Tak | Dammit Jim, he's a programmer, not a doctor! | 23:32 |
| bedboi | lol | 23:32 |
| fysa | the built-in X11 on OS2008 has issues with the mouse driver I believe. | 23:33 |
| bedboi | fysa: it's just that i'm not sure n800 is ready to be a laptop replacement :) | 23:33 |
| fysa | dude | 23:33 |
| fysa | you retard. | 23:33 |
| tontsa | atleast i just use n810 for random work on the road.. can't even imagine doing "real" work 8 hours a day with it though | 23:33 |
| fysa | (not really) | 23:33 |
| fysa | I just said.. | 23:33 |
| fysa | I'm using it as a laptop replacement. | 23:33 |
| fysa | and have been. | 23:33 |
| fysa | I just returned from a 3-day business trip last night. | 23:33 |
| fysa | on which I was able to work at any place I sat, the entire time. | 23:33 |
| fysa | including the airplane .. in coach. | 23:33 |
| fysa | and at a reasonable pace | 23:34 |
| fysa | not 100%, of course. | 23:34 |
| bedboi | fysa: maybe it's ok for you to work with a small device, i'm just saying it's not my case at all | 23:34 |
| fysa | 100% on a deskop with triple 24" LCDs | 23:34 |
| bedboi | ehhehe | 23:34 |
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| fysa | 70% on a regular laptop | 23:34 |
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| fysa | or less even. | 23:35 |
| fysa | but the difference between mouse/keyboard on the N800 is easily twice as fast | 23:35 |
| fysa | you try writing 8000 character SQL queries on the vkb :P | 23:35 |
| fysa | try seeing them even. | 23:35 |
| fysa | one of the biggest advantages of a bt keyboard has been the extra real-estate that I get to keep. | 23:35 |
| fysa | and with pixel-perfect accuracy (or close to it) and a mouse, you can get more real estate yet. | 23:36 |
| fysa | no, it's not great. | 23:36 |
| fysa | it's a pocket device. | 23:36 |
| fysa | but 800x480 is more than I used for years on my Commodore Amiga. | 23:36 |
| fysa | and I did DTP, graphics and coding without a problem then. so surely can be done here with a bit of squinting.. to have that kind of flexibility at the beach, the park or a hiking trip is what I'm after. | 23:37 |
| tontsa | i used to have amigas. but even back then the screen was bigger so you didn't have to squint | 23:37 |
| fysa | I certainly don't want to lug around a laptop with extra batteries. | 23:37 |
| Tak | if I wrote 8000-character SQL queries, I'd kill myself :-P | 23:37 |
| fysa | I have fine vision. | 23:37 |
| fysa | anyway, | 23:37 |
| fysa | silly for me to go on. I was just curious if bedboi tried a mouse, nothing more. | 23:38 |
| fysa | yes, tak. The worst part is that this particular project uses MS SQL. | 23:38 |
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| Solarion | ogg/theora support? :) | 23:56 |
| Solarion | please? | 23:56 |
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| realcomix | One day | 23:56 |
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| Solarion | realcomix: tomorrow's a day. | 23:57 |
| realcomix | That it is | 23:57 |
| Solarion | all my music is in voribs, and significant chunks of my video in theora | 23:57 |
| realcomix | Hmm | 23:57 |
| realcomix | Some one did get ogg for embeded media player .. But its still in beta ... Check the meamo news ... | 23:59 |
| realcomix | But i have no idea about theora | 23:59 |
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