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| ||cw | i would so love to, I see all these store fronts for lease and I'm like "i could do a shop there" | 00:00 |
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| ||cw | one of these days.... | 00:00 |
| ||cw | kind of like my day job at the moment though, maybe when the kids of done with school | 00:01 |
| DigExorcist | my day job is jail for me | 00:02 |
| ||cw | at least then if I fail and go broke it won't make their life suck, it'll be their problem | 00:02 |
| DigExorcist | But there's also plenty of competition here | 00:02 |
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| pupnik | hehe | 00:03 |
| DigExorcist | The ssh package can't finish installing, and it's holding up the installation of two others, and I cant remove ssh without removing all the osso packages... | 00:04 |
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| ||cw | what's I'd love to do though is convert my employer into a client, so at least i'd have some nearly guaranteed income | 00:05 |
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| DigExorcist | You'd loose money doing it - taxes are like 50% depending on what you're up to - so you gotta expense everything in sight | 00:08 |
| DigExorcist | the cool part is that computer stuff is a write off in that situation | 00:08 |
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| DigExorcist | crap | 00:18 |
| DigExorcist | So how does one erase all the unit config - just reload the os? | 00:19 |
| DigExorcist | that is, do the reflash? | 00:19 |
| DigExorcist | this thing is borked | 00:20 |
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| * pupnik sacrifices a bowl of chicken-ramen to the Nokia Gods to put OpenGL into the N900 | 00:21 | |
| * DigExorcist wishes pupnik luck, but he wants that upgrade on his 770... | 00:22 | |
| * DigExorcist thinks a hand-held Beryl interface would be tool cool for humanity | 00:23 | |
| pupnik | nah, there's no 3D chip in the 770 | 00:23 |
| DigExorcist | yeah, but if they did that, the gods of cool would come down from heaven, and take the hardware away from us | 00:24 |
| pupnik | hah | 00:24 |
| disq | so who didn't install kagu 1.0.8 here yet? | 00:24 |
| pupnik | we'll see how much influence the iphone UI has on the handheld world -- if it gets adopted heavily there will probably be enough pressure for Nokia to put opengl into forthcoming tablets | 00:24 |
| DigExorcist | a portal would open, John Belushi, Elvis, and James Dean would step out, Marilyn Monroe would grab it, stuff it down her bodice, and they'd all leave | 00:25 |
| pupnik | hah | 00:25 |
| DigExorcist | What's kagu? | 00:25 |
| _Monkey | i think kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu or #kagu | 00:25 |
| DigExorcist | neat | 00:25 |
| disq | the screenshots there are outdated | 00:25 |
| DigExorcist | not enough room for music with all my episodes of Boston Legal loaded in | 00:26 |
| disq | http://garage.maemo.org/projects/kagu for new screenshots :) (click the wiki link) | 00:26 |
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| pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?Kagu%20Features&id=304&type=g | 00:28 |
| pupnik | wow looks very nice | 00:28 |
| pupnik | three cheers for the 'scan music?' dialog!!! | 00:29 |
| DigExorcist | has anyone tried Spiralfrog.com for supposedly legal music downloadz yet? | 00:29 |
| disq | three cheers? why :) | 00:31 |
| * DigExorcist hates that services like Spiralfrog only work right in IE | 00:31 | |
| pupnik | DigExorcist: agree. disq: early versions didn't ask before scanning | 00:33 |
| disq | ah. we have that dialog for the last few releases now :) | 00:33 |
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| DigExorcist | Is there a way to have the application manager install all teh visible updates, or is it always a one at a time deal? | 00:55 |
| pupnik | heh my site is awesome in links/lynx | 00:55 |
| pupnik | dunno bout that - i always update manually for control reasons | 00:56 |
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| DigExorcist | whats the best toolbar app? | 01:00 |
| pupnik | load-applet-run | 01:01 |
| _Monkey | load-applet-run is what the package is called | 01:01 |
| DigExorcist | has anyone ever figured out how to use the rss feed reader on the main screen? | 01:01 |
| OuiD | do you use sometimes apt-get upgrade? last time I had to reflash.. | 01:02 |
| DigExorcist | I just flashed because of apt-get upgrade | 01:03 |
| pupnik | load-applet-run? | 01:03 |
| _Monkey | load-applet-run is John Costigan's awesome toolbar applet to monitor cpu and launch programs: http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/ | 01:03 |
| disq | osso-statusbar-cpu is better :P | 01:03 |
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| pupnik | oh? | 01:04 |
| OuiD | ah ok :) | 01:04 |
| pupnik | wow ... | 01:04 |
| OuiD | last time I went even further : dist upgrade. same symptoms :) | 01:04 |
| pupnik | disq - is osso-statusbar-cpu compat with it2006se? It looks more full featured - and i love the clock display | 01:06 |
| pupnik | osso-statusbar-cpu? | 01:06 |
| _Monkey | i think osso-statusbar-cpu is better :P | 01:06 |
| pupnik | hah | 01:06 |
| pupnik | _Monkey: forget osso-statusbar-cpu | 01:06 |
| _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot osso-statusbar-cpu | 01:06 |
| disq | there's a seperate os2006 build | 01:07 |
| disq | not sure if the os2006 build has the clock tho | 01:07 |
| disq | _Monkey: osso-statusbar-cpu can be found at http://www.maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoStatusbarCpu | 01:08 |
| _Monkey | disq: excuse me? | 01:08 |
| disq | _Monkey: osso-statusbar-cpu is at http://www.maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoStatusbarCpu | 01:08 |
| _Monkey | OK, disq. | 01:08 |
| DigExorcist | Actually, the one I've seen and wanted was the load-applet-run | 01:10 |
| DigExorcist | Okay, so here's one. | 01:11 |
| DigExorcist | Fresh build - I installed dropbear-server, and now I can't install dropbear client | 01:12 |
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| unique311 | disq: i sent an email to reggie asking for the thread to be move to general. | 01:14 |
| disq | thanks :) | 01:14 |
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| * DigExorcist hates the process of adding in repositories and likens them to suppositories | 01:18 | |
| pupnik | That's why .install files are a great thing | 01:19 |
| OuiD | usually you backup your sources list file and optionnaly your package list.. | 01:22 |
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| disq | i think my battery needs recalibration | 01:24 |
| disq | goes down to battery low too quickly. i'll just let it die once | 01:24 |
| disq | and maybe cycle it a few times | 01:25 |
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| Tu13es | anyone know where openvpn installs to? | 02:08 |
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| killfill | hi.. | 02:10 |
| killfill | im "sharing" my music with mt-daap and mediatomb, but canola is printing "Error" whatever i try to play any mp3. | 02:10 |
| killfill | how could i get canola to be more verbose? | 02:11 |
| lsobral | killfill, you can run canola in debug mode: CANOLA_DEBUG=1 canola -v -v -v | 02:11 |
| Deformati | Woot | 02:12 |
| DigExorcist | disq - doesn't cycling a li-polymer battery damage it? | 02:12 |
| Deformati | Got a new hub. | 02:12 |
| Deformati | Now i just need to sodder the cables. | 02:12 |
| DigExorcist | Which one? | 02:12 |
| DigExorcist | Anyone ever run into a problem when the application manager stops listing applications? | 02:12 |
| Deformati | Belkin stackable | 02:12 |
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| DigExorcist | Belkins stuff isn't too bad - we bit overpriced if you ask me | 02:13 |
| DigExorcist | I've got one of their USB1.0 models | 02:13 |
| Deformati | I got usb 2.0 self powered, with power cord and usb cord, 20 bucks | 02:14 |
| killfill | cnl-audio-controller.c:402:cb_error audio player: player error | 02:14 |
| Deformati | It was half off. | 02:14 |
| killfill | player error.. hm... | 02:14 |
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| killfill | maybe im missing some package?.. does canola play upnp audio files ok?.. | 02:17 |
| killfill | (for you) | 02:17 |
| DigExorcist | so what application provides a nice iconic launcher bar for the home screen? | 02:18 |
| killfill | is there any other player i can use?.. | 02:18 |
| DigExorcist | I thought it was load-applet-run | 02:18 |
| killfill | kagu doesnt seem to do upnp.. | 02:18 |
| disq | mediastreamer and canola both do upnp | 02:19 |
| b0unc3 | DigExorcist: try IDEA or simple launcher... | 02:20 |
| * killfill installing mediastreamer | 02:21 | |
| killfill | medistreamer cannot play them either.. | 02:22 |
| killfill | it says "File not Found" | 02:23 |
| killfill | disq: what are you using as server? | 02:23 |
| pupnik | DigExorcist: load-applet-run can run arbitrary commands and save them to a shortcut - just hit 'run' and click the 'save' button and give the shortcut a name | 02:23 |
| disq | windows media connect. worked fine with FUPPES too | 02:24 |
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| killfill | :S | 02:27 |
| killfill | dont have windows here.. | 02:27 |
| pupnik | only criticism of osso-statusbar-cpu would be that the icon is slightly too high | 02:28 |
| pupnik | hmm mem and cpu hogs - maemo_af_desktop | 02:29 |
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| killfill | hm... | 02:39 |
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| killfill | :S | 02:39 |
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| killfill | ushare doesnt work either | 02:39 |
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| DigExorcist | anyone know where bt pairing info is stored? | 02:50 |
| DigExorcist | what file, etc? | 02:50 |
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| killfill | cannot make this thing work.. :S | 02:57 |
| unique311 | hmmm | 03:00 |
| unique311 | so my motorola h500 headset is not working because its a phone earpeace. | 03:01 |
| unique311 | and not a music bluetooth headset. | 03:01 |
| unique311 | question off topic, why did they get rid of pluto? | 03:02 |
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| DigExorcist | the planet? | 03:04 |
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| unique311 | yes | 03:05 |
| pupnik | there were a couple of reasons. Main one is they decided it wasn't formed during the solar system's accretion phase | 03:06 |
| pupnik | it appears to be a captured planetoid based on offset from the solar axis | 03:06 |
| pupnik | Back in 1978 i did a presentation on theories of solar evolution :) | 03:07 |
| unique311 | cool | 03:07 |
| unique311 | watching a show on this right now. | 03:08 |
| unique311 | on the science channel | 03:08 |
| DigExorcist | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto | 03:09 |
| DigExorcist | it was in 2006 when the mess started | 03:09 |
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| unique311 | feel kinda bad for pluto, been a part of the books for a long time, to be taken out in the revisions out now. | 03:11 |
| unique311 | pupnik, captured planetoid? | 03:12 |
| pupnik | ah i was wrong on the ICU decision | 03:13 |
| unique311 | a planet that just wondered in our solar system. | 03:14 |
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| pupnik | yeah that was a theory at one ponit | 03:15 |
| pupnik | i don't know what the current explanation is | 03:15 |
| unique311 | size... | 03:15 |
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| unique311 | smaller than out moon, takes you off the planet list. | 03:16 |
| unique311 | but its still early in the show. | 03:16 |
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| Troseph_ | has anyone gotten a different distro to run on the 770? I want to try pokylinux or DSL... But I don't know if I'll hose my system. | 03:30 |
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| unique311 | Update: smaller than the united states, and you loose your planet status. | 03:33 |
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| Deformati | Omg. | 03:48 |
| Deformati | Crazy awesome. | 03:49 |
| Deformati | The hub hack worked. | 03:49 |
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| Troseph_ | No way? Can you use a thumb drive with it? | 03:51 |
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| Deformati | Yes. | 03:54 |
| Deformati | And keyboard. | 03:55 |
| _Monkey | i guess keyboard is important to have | 03:55 |
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| saaib | how can I rebuild the dependecy database? It failed while trying to install openssh and now I can't update the list of packages | 04:16 |
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| [31d1] | wow i have such a sense of accomplishment for figuring out how to run an almost entirely useless script on wlan up on my nokia | 04:28 |
| * Deformati is mad that he still didn't get any responses from the mailing list. | 04:29 | |
| Deformati | :P | 04:29 |
| [31d1] | now it will always have its own domain name despite not having a server and almost never being outside a firewall | 04:30 |
| killfill | what upnp player does there exist for gnome?.. | 04:31 |
| pupnik | i think there is one for maemo in dev | 04:32 |
| pupnik | http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ oh this isn't the same - but it's also interesting - control pc music playback from tablet | 04:33 |
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| pupnik | he is looking for help on the project - it looks quite promising imo | 04:34 |
| pupnik | with power-line IP, it is time to rethink home-stereo | 04:35 |
| unique311 | nice find.... | 04:42 |
| unique311 | check this out on you device.. http://numbera.com/musictheory/flash/keyboard5.swf | 04:43 |
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| pupnik | 4 freakin hours i been mucking about with this game and it still no run | 05:04 |
| pupnik | STAB STAB STAB | 05:04 |
| pupnik | not even seeing my debug msg... w..t..f.. | 05:05 |
| unique311 | what game? | 05:05 |
| pupnik | Worms Of Prey | 05:06 |
| [31d1] | oh, nice swf | 05:06 |
| unique311 | runs nicely on the n800 [31d1] | 05:11 |
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| Navi_ | O_o | 05:18 |
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| * Deformati wants to program stuffies. | 05:20 | |
| Deformati | But I need gdc. | 05:20 |
| Deformati | :( | 05:20 |
| bmidgley | hmm I can't build maemo-mapper using the new beta sdk | 05:20 |
| bmidgley | configure says liboosohelp and osso-ic were not found | 05:20 |
| bmidgley | libossohelp that is | 05:20 |
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| * pupnik applies "clear and hold" to Worms of Prey code | 05:46 | |
| pupnik | /* */ | 05:46 |
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| pupnik | open("data/images/gui/bg.png", O_RDONLY) = 14 | 05:51 |
| pupnik | fstat64(14, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=140737488355328, ...}) = 0 | 05:51 |
| pupnik | ahhaha | 05:51 |
| pupnik | hmm | 05:52 |
| pupnik | how is it that i can chmod files on the 770's vfat? | 05:53 |
| * pupnik dumps the game data into /home/user for testing porpoises | 05:57 | |
| unique311 | pupnik ever heard of touchmegames for linux? | 05:57 |
| pupnik | nope | 05:58 |
| unique311 | a collection of touch screen games for linux. | 05:58 |
| unique311 | works for maemo. | 05:58 |
| unique311 | but screen resolution is screwed, becuase its viewed in windowed mode. | 05:59 |
| unique311 | and some of the screen is MIA | 05:59 |
| unique311 | fullscreen it would be a nice hit for the maemo platform. | 05:59 |
| pupnik | excellent find | 06:01 |
| unique311 | wonder if it can be submitted to those indt guys.. | 06:01 |
| unique311 | they handle gaming for the devices? | 06:02 |
| pupnik | duno | 06:04 |
| unique311 | http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=152865 | 06:05 |
| unique311 | screenies | 06:05 |
| pupnik | playing ... | 06:07 |
| unique311 | you are quick on the compile. | 06:07 |
| pupnik | this is really nicely done | 06:08 |
| unique311 | only flaw is that it will not automatically do fullscreen...well on maemo that is.. | 06:09 |
| pupnik | just needs hildon wrapper afaict | 06:21 |
| pupnik | i haven't done that yet | 06:22 |
| pupnik | lots of ppl here could do it in their sleep though | 06:22 |
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| pupnik | wow | 06:56 |
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| pupnik | unique311: still there? | 06:57 |
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| pupnik | unique311: this main.cpp creates the hildon window and initially sets it to fullscreen, but something is setting it back to windowed mode. http://pastebin.ca/702858 | 07:14 |
| pupnik | you'll need to add "-lhildonwidgets" to the link flags in the Makefile | 07:16 |
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| Dawnmist | Does anyone know if there are plans to add the en_AU locale to those available in the N800, now that Nokia are selling these in Australia? | 07:53 |
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| pupnik | MWAAAHAHAHAHA | 08:10 |
| rwhitby | Dawnmist: I hope so - I had to add the Adelaide timezone to the clock manually. | 08:12 |
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| pupnik | unique311: looks like a bunch of these games are hardcoded for 800x600 - will take some time to adjust them to 800x480 - but fs is working now - :)) http://pupnik.de/touchmegames_770.jpg | 08:31 |
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| pupnik | if anyone who knows hildon wants to do this, please leave me a message | 08:33 |
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| pupnik | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.11/GtkWindow.html <-- nice overview of teh window funxtins | 08:39 |
| pupnik | gtkwindow is documented at http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.11/GtkWindow.html | 08:40 |
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| `0660 | oh shit. they have started selling n800 in australia | 08:45 |
| `0660 | i thought i would be the first one to have it there when i move the in next month :P | 08:45 |
| `0660 | there | 08:46 |
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| Dawnmist | yeah, they have started - although their website still says 'coming soon'. | 08:53 |
| Dawnmist | I'm finding it frustrating with either having the date wrong (US's MM/DD/YYYY) or the keyboard/currency wrong (GB pounds & symbols) | 08:54 |
| Dawnmist | And of course the 12 hour clock - but that'll probably not be fixed by using the en_AU locale | 08:54 |
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| `0660 | you should try fi_FI locale. it has a 24 hour clock ;) | 08:58 |
| `0660 | hmm | 08:58 |
| `0660 | i'm pretty sure you should be able to tweak it to work the way you want | 08:59 |
| `0660 | just keep the Device language as british and try finding a regional setting close to australia | 09:00 |
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| Dawnmist | Does fi_FI use '$' signs and '.' as decimal separators? | 09:08 |
| Lynoure | Dawnmist: are you asking seriously? | 09:14 |
| Lynoure | Dawnmist: we use $VARIABLES :) | 09:14 |
| Lynoure | Dawnmist: but the currency is € | 09:15 |
| Dawnmist | I am - since I'm at work, and can't test it - and the device doesn't have the en_AU locale. | 09:15 |
| Lynoure | Dawnmist: I get confused about the separators myself. | 09:15 |
| Dawnmist | And unfortunately, neither the en_GB or the en_US actually match our stuff properly - we've got a mishmash in between them. | 09:16 |
| Lynoure | Dawnmist: it seems my bank uses , and , is what is on the numpad | 09:16 |
| Dawnmist | We use $ and '.', with DD/MM/YYYY dates and GB spelling (at least mainly GB spelling) and are completely metric. | 09:17 |
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| Dawnmist | So if I use the US keyboard and $/'.', I get horrible dates and spelling - and I'd assume non-metric measurements. If I use the GB, I get pounds and funny keys on my keyboard :( | 09:18 |
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| Dawnmist | And the en_AU locale hasn't been included on the device, even though they're starting to officially sell it in Australia. | 09:19 |
| `0660 | you should file a bug about it in their bugzilla | 09:21 |
| `0660 | that would be an easy way to make sure it will be in the next release | 09:22 |
| Dawnmist | Ok :) | 09:23 |
| `0660 | which i think will be out before the end of this year | 09:23 |
| `0660 | to stop rumours from spreading my estimate is not based on any inside knowledge :) | 09:25 |
| pupnik | hmm do not try to compile debhelper 5 without a backup scratchbox | 09:32 |
| pupnik | compile/install | 09:32 |
| pupnik | what's different about en_AU to en_GB or whatever? | 09:32 |
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| Dawnmist | pupnik: For GB - Keyboard, currency, some language/spelling differences | 09:45 |
| Dawnmist | pupnik: For US - Date display, more spelling differences, metric units (i.e. A4 not letter) | 09:46 |
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| Luria | is there some sorta id3 editor on the n800? | 10:13 |
| Luria | just quick and dirty edit; dont need to do mass tagging | 10:14 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:33 |
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| Jaffa | Dawnmist: see bug | 10:38 |
| Jaffa | Dawnmist: see bug #303 | 10:38 |
| _Monkey | Bug 303 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303 | 10:38 |
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| Dawnmist | I've looked at bug 303, and realise it's related - but it also doesn't change the fact that Nokia *should* include the locale of a country that it's selling in, rather than making every customer in that country have to rebuild their package to include it, since they've excluded the POSIX locale completely for Australia. | 10:53 |
| _Monkey | Bug 303 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303 | 10:53 |
| Dawnmist | I found it earlier today - and will give it a go this evening, but I have to create the build environment, etc first. | 10:54 |
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| Dawnmist | Tried apt-get installing 'locales' last night - but while I can see en_AU in /usr/share/locales, I still couldn't select it, so I'm not sure where they're shoving the 'approved' ones. And since I only got the N800 yesterday lunchtime, I'm still working my way through this setup stuff *smiles* | 10:56 |
| Dawnmist | But I thought it worth seeing if there was any intention now that they are selling it in Australia to include the Australian localisation info, since it'd save me work both now and with future updates :) | 10:59 |
| rwhitby | Dawnmist: where did you buy it from, and how much? (I had to get mine at Heathrow last time I was travelling on business) | 10:59 |
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| Dawnmist | $599, at Organiser World in Melbourne (1 block from where I work, so was convenient). | 11:00 |
| Dawnmist | http://www.ow.com.au/shop/Nokia/Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet | 11:01 |
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| Air-away | hello, might I ask a retarded question about the Nokia N800? | 13:53 |
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| Airw0lf | downloaded applications get installed where? to the "internal" memory card slot? | 13:54 |
| Airw0lf | or is there a choice? | 13:54 |
| cosmo | internal flash | 13:55 |
| _Monkey | i heard internal flash was generally not "readonly" | 13:55 |
| Airw0lf | internal flash is only 128 mb? | 13:55 |
| Airw0lf | doesn't that limit how many apps you can install? | 13:56 |
| cosmo | 770 has 64mb and it's never run out on my device | 13:56 |
| Airw0lf | wow, ok | 13:57 |
| Airw0lf | so i guess that means i don't need to buy a sd card specifically to store apps | 13:57 |
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| Airw0lf | since you can only install to flash | 13:57 |
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| pupnikafk | MWHAR!!!1 | 14:01 |
| pupnikafk | oneone | 14:01 |
| pupnikafk | got sega genesis emu running | 14:01 |
| inz | without hacks you won't actually be able to run programs from mmc/sd cards, as they're mounted noexec | 14:03 |
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| Airw0lf | even the programs installed from maemo.org? | 14:08 |
| jani | yes | 14:09 |
| Airw0lf | but if you install to flash, you're fine...sounds sensible | 14:09 |
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| cosmo | i think you could format a mmc as ext2, mount it and do links so that apps are installed on it | 14:16 |
| Airw0lf | ok, but i take it most people don't need to worry about resorting to that | 14:16 |
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| OuiD | but the noexec would still forbid you! | 14:22 |
| Big_B | good morning (~ugt) | 14:22 |
| Airw0lf | that's fine...i'll just go with the flow and not try to get ahead of myself :) | 14:22 |
| Big_B | Hi lardman are you here!! | 14:23 |
| Airw0lf | i have to go to sleep now, but thanks all for your help | 14:23 |
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| alterego | I boot the whole system off of SD/MMC | 14:35 |
| alterego | I have a 1GB ext2 partition for the rootfs and applications. | 14:35 |
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| OuiD | has anybody managed to do x11forwarding with dropbear? I constantly get X auth refused even withXomap -ac. drives me nuts! | 14:52 |
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| Knirch | OuiD: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=75658 seems to have a lot of discussion on the subject, not sure there's a solution in there though | 14:56 |
| OuiD | Knirch: thanx I'm user 'free' on this forum :) | 15:00 |
| cosmo | oh, i just noticed bluetooth file transfers work really on ubuntu+n800 | 15:01 |
| cosmo | you can send files both ways easily | 15:02 |
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| Knirch | OuiD: then I guess you know of that thread ;) | 15:02 |
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| OuiD | Knirch: yeah I'm waiting for your contribution ;) | 15:06 |
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| Knirch | OuiD: :) My 770 is misplaced at the moment and I don't have a personal interest in using forwarding, so my contribution will most likely take a while :D | 15:10 |
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| alterego | Hmm .. | 17:34 |
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| alterego | Is it possible to get the hildon version at runtime? | 17:43 |
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| pupnik | why do i have to add user/ to the "Section" of all debs? | 19:00 |
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| pupnik | pardon me, i broked seomthing | 19:07 |
| pupnik | ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libpthread.so is too small, not checked. | 19:07 |
| pupnik | ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libc.so is too small, not checked. | 19:07 |
| pupnik | what the fix? | 19:07 |
| sp3000 | my libs are bigger than your libs | 19:07 |
| sp3000 | useful sp3000 is useful | 19:07 |
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| pupnik | this is part of libc6 | 19:10 |
| pupnik | ? | 19:10 |
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| pupnik | dpkg -L libc6 |grep thread ayh | 19:12 |
| pupnik | fixed et, me maytees | 19:13 |
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| pupnik | ~nobody knoes, the dependencies i've seen~ | 19:15 |
| pupnik | ~nobody knoes, bat jeeebus~ | 19:16 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 20:04 |
| pupnik | good morning Andy80 | 20:05 |
| * Andy80 19:06 here :) | 20:06 | |
| pupnik | ~UCT | 20:06 |
| b0unc3 | ciao Andy80 ;) | 20:06 |
| Andy80 | is b0unc3 a bot? | 20:07 |
| b0unc3 | no... | 20:07 |
| Andy80 | sorry :P | 20:07 |
| Andy80 | b0unc3: .it ? | 20:07 |
| pupnik | ~nobody knoes, the dependencies i've seen~ | 20:08 |
| b0unc3 | Andy80: yes | 20:08 |
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| pupnik | libflac and friends built | 20:18 |
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| pupnik | libsmpeg and friends built | 20:24 |
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| pupnik | libvorbisidec1_1.0.2+svn12153-1_armel.deb and -dev built | 20:33 |
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| pupnik | bleh building tetex-base is not fun | 20:38 |
| pupnik | repositories? | 20:39 |
| _Monkey | repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 20:39 |
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| pupnik | gs and gs-gpl built | 20:49 |
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| pupnik | gs-common built | 20:52 |
| pupnik | speex and libspeex built | 20:57 |
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| killfill | what do you guys use as mediaserver?.. | 20:59 |
| killfill | (what software) | 20:59 |
| Troseph_ | I use apache2 on my main server. | 20:59 |
| Troseph_ | and vlc on my work machine | 20:59 |
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| killfill | oh.. well i mean for upnp or daap | 21:00 |
| ||cw | are there a lot of options? | 21:00 |
| killfill | dont know.. ive try three that doesn work. and on windows cannot make one work.. :P | 21:02 |
| * killfill feels stupid | 21:02 | |
| killfill | TVersity | 21:02 |
| killfill | mayeb its not a mediaserver really.. :P | 21:02 |
| TPC | can't you just nfs mount your desktop computer | 21:03 |
| TPC | and access files over that | 21:03 |
| * mgedmin will wait until the tablest can "just nfs mount" out of the box without painful kernel upgrades, thank you very much | 21:04 | |
| TPC | yeah, that would have been nice | 21:04 |
| TPC | I haven't had mine for long, so far I've mostly scp:ed over media I wanted to play | 21:05 |
| suihkulokki | yeah, that's the reason people buy iphones and not n800's - missing nfs support | 21:05 |
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| erstazi | killfill: I use slimserver | 21:06 |
| erstazi | killfill: its very efficient | 21:06 |
| erstazi | on a side note, I find NFS to be very dreadful, even though I have 2 PC's with XPP, I just find EXT3 or ReiserFS to be more efficient | 21:07 |
| erstazi | and I don't need to defrag | 21:07 |
| TPC | erstazi, how can you compare NFS with EXT3 and ReiserFS? | 21:07 |
| TPC | one is a filesystem, the other is a network protocol | 21:08 |
| killfill | nfs.. not ntfs.. :) | 21:08 |
| erstazi | ahaha | 21:08 |
| erstazi | ok | 21:08 |
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| TPC | its kind of like network shares in windows, except good | 21:09 |
| TPC | :P | 21:09 |
| killfill | damn.. 27 MB is slimserver.. | 21:09 |
| killfill | im over a 10k connection.. :S | 21:10 |
| TPC | sshfs support would be nice out of the box | 21:10 |
| TPC | but the encryption can slow things down on a device like the N800, who doesn't have the fastest cpu | 21:10 |
| tomv | hi. is it known that scratchbox installations using the 4.0beta script don't work when using a non /scratchbox path? (rpath...) if not, is the maemo bugzilla the right place to report it? | 21:12 |
| pupnik | libid3-3.8.3c2a_3.8.3-6_armel.deb built | 21:13 |
| killfill | hm.. but slimserver isnt a daap server, is it?.. | 21:13 |
| * mgedmin is just allergic to words "just" and "simply" used in explanations | 21:14 | |
| ||cw | iphone supports nfs? | 21:15 |
| ||cw | did I read that right? | 21:16 |
| suihkulokki | no, I was being extremely sarcastic | 21:17 |
| ||cw | k | 21:18 |
| pupnik | should i disable unaligned memory access for speed ? | 21:19 |
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| tomv | say, is python available for the sdk4.0 beta? | 21:42 |
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| luck^ | tomv, not yet. I can generate it under x86 target, but the armel target has a problem with qemu | 21:44 |
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| luck^ | tomv, it doesn't allow to use threads (its related with a lack of NPTL support inside qemu) | 21:47 |
| tomv | luck^: what's with the recipe on your blog? | 21:49 |
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| luck^ | tomv, it works with alpha version | 21:50 |
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| tomv | luck^, could I try it for the beta or is that doomed to fail? | 21:50 |
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| luck^ | tomv, I suppose it will fail, because they removed some libs from alpha version.. but you can try :) | 21:52 |
| wday | hi, (i'm currently poking through the irclog, but) I'm wondering if there is anything other than octave that works as a good scientific calculator (think physics course work) for the n800 | 21:54 |
| wday | nice, hp 42s emulator, I suppose that could work | 21:57 |
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| tomv | ok. will do. I guess that when the problem is qemu-related, it's complicated enough not to be worked on by the random passer-by... | 22:01 |
| tomv | luck^: ^ | 22:01 |
| luck^ | tomv, unfortunately :( | 22:05 |
| tomv | luck^: hm. :( so is your blog the place to watch? | 22:07 |
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| luck^ | tomv, for sure. I'm only posting things related to pymaemo | 22:09 |
| pupnik | new dosbox - http://pupnik.de/dosbox_0.71-0.1_armel.deb | 22:10 |
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| tomv | luck^: ok. thanks for now. and good luck! | 22:13 |
| Thanatermesis | ok ppl, 2 questions :) how i install a gcc and where i can get a nice sources.list for a new n800 ? | 22:13 |
| pupnik | repositories? | 22:14 |
| _Monkey | rumour has it repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php | 22:14 |
| luck^ | tomv, thanks! :) | 22:14 |
| pupnik | scratchbox? | 22:14 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O Scratchbox Downloads: http://qurl.org/1O | 22:14 |
| pupnik | Thanatermesis: ^^ | 22:14 |
| Thanatermesis | thx pupnik :) | 22:15 |
| Thanatermesis | about the repositories... is safe that i add "all the repositories" ? | 22:15 |
| Thanatermesis | or exist some conficts between libs and stuff ? | 22:16 |
| Thanatermesis | conflicts* | 22:16 |
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| lle2 | if there's somebody here who's involved with the chinook rootstraps, I've couple of questions | 22:18 |
| lle2 | 1: what do you smoke? | 22:19 |
| Deformati | So bored. | 22:19 |
| lle2 | 2: could you please stop and have some Clue(TM) instead? | 22:20 |
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| unique311 | is it possible to start windows from the command prompt? | 22:22 |
| unique311 | sorry | 22:22 |
| sp3000 | if you install windows first :P | 22:22 |
| Deformati | So bored. | 22:24 |
| Deformati | Oh | 22:24 |
| Deformati | I already said that, | 22:24 |
| lle2 | still bored? | 22:24 |
| Deformati | Yeahh... | 22:24 |
| Thanatermesis | the applications give with the tablet (maemo apps?), are open source ? | 22:27 |
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| ||cw | Thanatermesis: much of it is, but not all | 22:28 |
| akjohn | Hello all.. Greetings from Alaska... | 22:30 |
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| akjohn | Someone have a moment to help me with the new browser? | 22:30 |
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| akjohn | Please? Sorry I forgot that.. | 22:32 |
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| Thana` | the applications that n800 has, are open source ? | 22:34 |
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| ||cw | akjohn: be more specific? | 22:35 |
| ||cw | Thana`: much of it is, but not all | 22:35 |
| Thana` | ||cw, some applications seems interesting, like the wifi or bluetooth ones | 22:35 |
| akjohn | ||cw, Ah, thanks. I would like to change the browser engine the UI is using but I can not seem to find any documentation on how to do that.. | 22:36 |
| ||cw | the wifi driver in 770 was not, not sure about the 800, and I don't know about the applet | 22:36 |
| ||cw | akjohn: the browser is opera, I'm not aware that the "engine" can be changed | 22:36 |
| ||cw | you can install another browser though | 22:36 |
| Thana` | no, driver no... the GUI apps :) | 22:37 |
| Thana` | btw, what's the WM ? | 22:37 |
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| akjohn | ||cw, I have installed the microb engine, but I now cannot switch back to the opera engine.. | 22:37 |
| akjohn | ||cw, I would like to be able to switch back and forth without the uninstall/install hassle. Seems like it could be done.. | 22:37 |
| ||cw | Thana`: maemo | 22:37 |
| lle2 | so no chinook developers alive here? | 22:38 |
| bmidgley | lle2: I'm trying it out | 22:38 |
| ||cw | akjohn: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/27589 | 22:38 |
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| lle2 | bmidgley: it's not even trying to work for me | 22:38 |
| lle2 | bmidgley: apt-get source libglib2.0-0 fails... | 22:39 |
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| bmidgley | lle2: some strange error about IP not found eh | 22:40 |
| lle2 | for me it says that glib2.0 doesn't exist | 22:40 |
| lle2 | I'm on sb2 obviously | 22:40 |
| lle2 | 3.1 rootstrap works just fine, to the extent that I expect, which is not that much, but still. | 22:41 |
| bmidgley | lle2: looks like their repository needs updating | 22:41 |
| akjohn | Anyone know how to type the "esc" key in the xterm? | 22:41 |
| rev | Ctrl-[ or ] ? | 22:42 |
| lle2 | the backflipping arrowy thing | 22:42 |
| rev | [ i think | 22:42 |
| rev | or that | 22:42 |
| bmidgley | yeah I couldn't find the | symbol either | 22:42 |
| ||cw | akjohn: the circle-arrow hardware button is ESC | 22:42 |
| lle2 | I'm starting to suspect that chinook SDK will be a total disaster for sb2 use | 22:43 |
| Thana` | what is bora, mistral.. | 22:44 |
| akjohn | ||cw, Back to Opera! Sweet. Thanks for the help. Now how come in my multi-hour search a thon I could not find that. | 22:44 |
| ||cw | Thana`: version, like debian's sarge, etch | 22:44 |
| loganbr | killfill: I use mediatomb as a mediaserver. It works okay. www.mediatomb.cc | 22:44 |
| akjohn | ||cw, I can use gmail again.. | 22:45 |
| rev | darr, speaking of opera, i have to upgrade to te newer OS image one of these days | 22:45 |
| rev | are there any gotchas with it? | 22:45 |
| rev | the one nokia released recently-ish | 22:45 |
| ||cw | akjohn: I just searched for "microb opera" and that was on the first page | 22:45 |
| rev | i was installing some packages for a mozilla engine and it killed my opera install | 22:45 |
| Thana` | aha, and what's one ? bora is the stable and mistral is the testing ? | 22:45 |
| akjohn | ||cw, Sigh.. I was getting too complicated with the search terms I guess.. | 22:45 |
| rev | perhaps that is what we were talking about? | 22:45 |
| ||cw | Thana`: no, they are just versions. I don't recall what's the newest | 22:46 |
| akjohn | rev, Its fine as far as I can tell.. Finger input is better in some ways and worse in others.. | 22:46 |
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| akjohn | rev, The new browser crashes a little too much for me though.. | 22:47 |
| rev | akjohn: does it fix the crappiness of stylus input i have on my N800 (that I didn't on my 770) ? | 22:47 |
| akjohn | rev, Mmm.. Maybe, what crappiness are you referring to? :-) | 22:47 |
| rev | akjohn: oh? crashy? i never had many problems on my n800 or 770, with the older images i've used... something to be concerned about? | 22:47 |
| rev | akjohn: maybe, but i never do finger input. for instance, when i am entering text w/ the softkeyboard, i often have to go back and do it again, this time slowly and watching to make sure the key lights up | 22:48 |
| akjohn | rev, Just in the new browser.. Everything else seems fine.. | 22:48 |
| akjohn | rev, Mmm.. I have not noticed that problem.. | 22:48 |
| rev | akjohn: but it happens often enough that i know it isn't just me, because it began happening the day i got my N800 and ditched my 770 | 22:48 |
| rev | if i type "ls -l" in xterm, it usually registers "ll" or something | 22:48 |
| rev | and i'm not going all that fast | 22:48 |
| rev | it just doesn't register a tap | 22:49 |
| akjohn | rev, Mmm. Nope. I do not have that problem at all.. | 22:49 |
| rev | ah | 22:49 |
| rev | ok | 22:49 |
| rev | harumph | 22:49 |
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| akjohn | ||cw, Thanks again. I am back in business.. | 22:53 |
| Thana` | ||cw, ok, im going to add some repositories to have a big list of applications available that my GF can install what she want... its a problem that i can add all the repos available ? | 22:53 |
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