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| Star | easy question for most of you i guess :/ ... is there irc software for nokia 770? | 00:50 |
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| erstazi | welcome back _Monkey | 01:01 |
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| Tu13es_ | is ITT down? | 01:03 |
| milhouse | seems to be | 01:03 |
| erstazi | Tu13es_: earlier it was | 01:03 |
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| milhouse | that or it's a DoS attack - up and down | 01:03 |
| Tu13es | gotcha | 01:03 |
| erstazi | it's average ping is 148ms | 01:03 |
| Tu13es | I haven't been able to get there most of this afternoon | 01:03 |
| milhouse | could be a database issue | 01:03 |
| erstazi | milhouse: true on both | 01:04 |
| Tu13es | yeah, I think I got a db error msg earlier | 01:04 |
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| Tu13es | now I get nothing | 01:04 |
| erstazi | why would someone want to DoS attack that site, unless its automated | 01:04 |
| Tu13es | oh well, I won't die | 01:04 |
| milhouse | it just hangs | 01:04 |
| milhouse | Q1 owners? | 01:04 |
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| milhouse | :) | 01:04 |
| milhouse | Jealous of our pocket wonder... | 01:04 |
| erstazi | heh | 01:04 |
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| sully | The g/f really got sold on the tablet this weekend. Used it for all our e-mail/browsing from the bed and breakfast we were at, plus GPS duties. | 01:06 |
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| Tu13es | heh | 01:08 |
| Tu13es | I bought a n770 on woot | 01:08 |
| Tu13es | loved it | 01:08 |
| Tu13es | gf was like "wow, that's awesome, I want it" | 01:08 |
| erstazi | buy.com here | 01:08 |
| Tu13es | so now she has it and I bought a n800 | 01:08 |
| erstazi | Tu13es: that is how my wife was | 01:08 |
| Tu13es | now she wants a n800 | 01:08 |
| Tu13es | heh | 01:08 |
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| pupnik | heh i just was using the 770 in the park again today | 01:15 |
| pupnik | and after 8 months of owning it | 01:15 |
| pupnik | i was like | 01:16 |
| pupnik | "This is AWESOME!" | 01:16 |
| pupnik | it's so slim! and SOLID! and linuxy! and bright! and hires! and pretty fast! | 01:16 |
| * sully nods | 01:17 | |
| pupnik | and how is it possible that the screen got dirty many times | 01:19 |
| pupnik | but i see no scratches? | 01:19 |
| pupnik | what is that substance? | 01:19 |
| pupnik | in this world full of ape-humans, we should be really thankful towards the smart people | 01:20 |
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| sp3000 | hmm, fullscreen button crashed my browser :) | 01:24 |
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| sp3000 | hrm, I think I ran out of space dumping core :( | 01:29 |
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| milhouse | http://www.intomobile.com/2007/08/20/nokia-cto-dr-tero-ojanpera-preannounces-nokia-n95-8-gb.html <--- Tero Ojanperä talks about Nokia 770 at 22 minutes... doesn't say much very interesting other than Nokia are getting behind open source (and that "you can't develop open source inhouse" - genius). :) | 01:39 |
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| milhouse | hmmm... that's actually quite an old podcast! | 01:42 |
| milhouse | not new at all... dates from oct 2006 | 01:42 |
| milhouse | although it must be... he mentions the new N95 8GB phone which has only just surfaced... looks like the RSS feed details are out of whack | 01:43 |
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| kikka | hello | 03:00 |
| _Monkey | niihau, kikka | 03:00 |
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| kikka | Spricht hier wer Deutsch/Does here someone speak german? | 03:30 |
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| sully | Anyone have that issue with Maemo Mapper 1.4.7 where you try to load the program but nothing ever happens? | 05:35 |
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| Darksmurf | when trying to integrate BT Pan in the connection manager via the instruction on the maemo wiki the instructions say to install a d-bus script and it gives a link to a site. That site seems to be down. Anyone know where I could find these scripts? | 06:05 |
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| unique311 | what is the name of this jack? | 06:52 |
| unique311 | http://www.hdcom.com/rptncm400lg.jpeg | 06:52 |
| unique311 | i need the name of the end it connects to really | 06:53 |
| unique311 | which would be the male end i guess | 06:53 |
| unique311 | http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/images/b/be/LaFonera_Hardware_Disassembling_06.jpg | 06:55 |
| unique311 | anybody? | 06:55 |
| _Monkey | hmmm... anybody is Im here | 06:55 |
| Pio | unique311, coaxial | 07:06 |
| Pio | actually | 07:06 |
| Pio | the connector is called BNC | 07:06 |
| Pio | the cable is coaxial | 07:06 |
| Pio | err | 07:06 |
| Pio | acutally thats not a BNC | 07:06 |
| Pio | yeah i dunno :) | 07:07 |
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| unique311 | lol | 07:23 |
| unique311 | k | 07:24 |
| unique311 | i got it.. | 07:24 |
| unique311 | trying to make an antenna for my N800 | 07:24 |
| unique311 | almost donw | 07:24 |
| unique311 | done | 07:24 |
| erstazi | unique311, what kind of antenna? | 07:25 |
| erstazi | bluetooth I see | 07:25 |
| erstazi | nm | 07:26 |
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| erstazi | I am tired and I just need to go to sleep | 07:26 |
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| unique311 | not bluetoot | 07:27 |
| unique311 | just using the antenna part because i had it laying around. | 07:27 |
| unique311 | but for the fm radio | 07:27 |
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| unique311 | i stuck a metal stylus inside the headphone jack on the N800 and the fmradio worked... | 07:29 |
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| unique311 | so i had some shitty headphones and decided to make an antenna for the n800 | 07:30 |
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| erstazi | ah | 07:31 |
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| pupnik | found a performance chewing bug in Ur-Quan Masters | 08:03 |
| pupnik | really need to get some profiling info on the device though | 08:03 |
| pupnik | unique311: you around? | 08:04 |
| unique311 | ya | 08:04 |
| unique311 | think i just screwed up one of my sd's | 08:05 |
| pupnik | zodttd said he was getting 1-2 fps in his first version of the psx emulator on the gp2x | 08:05 |
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| unique311 | which is almost what you get on the 770 right? | 08:05 |
| pupnik | yea | 08:05 |
| pupnik | then like three people worked over two years to optimize it | 08:06 |
| pupnik | they're coming up with a new release soon | 08:06 |
| unique311 | isn't the gp2x version right now using opengl | 08:07 |
| pupnik | and then he says he'll give me access to it | 08:07 |
| pupnik | no | 08:07 |
| pupnik | it's all in software using a custom 3d engine | 08:07 |
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| unique311 | so he should just hand over the gpu plugins source | 08:08 |
| pupnik | most of his work was on the r3000 core | 08:08 |
| unique311 | pretty much the only thing you need right | 08:08 |
| pupnik | no | 08:08 |
| pupnik | they optimised gpu, spu and core | 08:08 |
| pupnik | the n800 might even be able to play sound smooth | 08:09 |
| pupnik | which the gp2x can't right now | 08:09 |
| pupnik | plus their cdr plugin can read compressed images which is really important | 08:09 |
| pupnik | a number of psx games compress from 600MB down to around 300MB | 08:09 |
| unique311 | still much, compressed | 08:10 |
| unique311 | don't talk about size right now.. | 08:10 |
| unique311 | i just screwed up a 512 miniSD | 08:10 |
| pupnik | yeah and a lot of them hardly compress at all, so those 2-4 cd games will take 1-2.5 GB | 08:10 |
| pupnik | oh sorry | 08:10 |
| pupnik | at least sd is the best deal in flash now | 08:11 |
| unique311 | those things are cheap now. | 08:12 |
| unique311 | big news was 16GB sd november or october | 08:13 |
| unique311 | 32 in january | 08:13 |
| Luria | yeah 16gb for $3k or something nuts | 08:14 |
| unique311 | should be half that price when it hits by xmas | 08:14 |
| unique311 | or less | 08:15 |
| Luria | scratch that | 08:15 |
| unique311 | 16GB for 350 | 08:15 |
| Luria | toshiba is annouced it as $350 | 08:15 |
| unique311 | 32 for something like 700 | 08:15 |
| Luria | i was think about this | 08:15 |
| Luria | http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-13765-16GB+SDHC+card+by+MICRODIA.html | 08:15 |
| unique311 | i doubt the value will hold by release. who do they plan to sell those too. | 08:16 |
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| Luria | did they say what class | 08:16 |
| Luria | oh god this radio is complicated... | 08:18 |
| unique311 | the n800? | 08:19 |
| _Monkey | the n800 is much better than a desk phone :-) | 08:19 |
| Luria | nah | 08:19 |
| Luria | vx-7r | 08:19 |
| Luria | i just ordered it | 08:20 |
| Luria | i figure by the time it comes, my amatuer radio license will be processed | 08:20 |
| Luria | errr... metathesis | 08:20 |
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| unique311 | getting that my card is corrupted or not formatted.. | 08:21 |
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| unique311 | tried formatting it, | 08:21 |
| unique311 | no go | 08:21 |
| unique311 | how do i uncorrupt it. | 08:22 |
| Luria | fat32 on a desktop? | 08:23 |
| unique311 | yes | 08:23 |
| Luria | and it's not working? | 08:23 |
| unique311 | no | 08:23 |
| unique311 | not working on phone | 08:23 |
| unique311 | n800 | 08:23 |
| Luria | bad card perhaps? | 08:23 |
| unique311 | or pc | 08:23 |
| unique311 | shows up on pc | 08:24 |
| unique311 | but doesn't want to format or open | 08:24 |
| unique311 | n800 | 08:24 |
| unique311 | shows up but give the corrupt and or not format error | 08:24 |
| unique311 | on the ppc it doesn't show up at all | 08:24 |
| Luria | wait, you are trying to format from the pc via the n800 as a mass storage device? | 08:24 |
| unique311 | yes | 08:25 |
| unique311 | because i'm not able to do it on the n800 | 08:25 |
| Luria | uh... do you have a reader for the desktop | 08:25 |
| Luria | i dont know if you can do what you are trying to do | 08:25 |
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| Luria | i love the fcc questions that deal with "amateur space stations" | 08:29 |
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| pupnik | heh | 08:38 |
| pupnik | did i mention i fixed the onscreen button logic last night? | 08:39 |
| Luria | or better yet, exceptions dealing with "controlling a space station" | 08:39 |
| pupnik | what got you interested in HAM? | 08:40 |
| Luria | hmmm... | 08:40 |
| pupnik | it's kind of a throwback | 08:40 |
| Luria | a slashdot post, actually. | 08:40 |
| Luria | someone mentioned that most geeks could pass the technician exam off the bat | 08:41 |
| Luria | and he wasnt wrong | 08:41 |
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| unique311 | is a license needed? | 08:42 |
| Luria | yeah | 08:43 |
| Luria | but it's trivial, if you have common physics and common sense | 08:43 |
| Luria | for the basic tech exam | 08:43 |
| Luria | general class is a little harder; extra is about as hard as a mid-level undergrad ee course | 08:44 |
| unique311 | what will you be broadcasting? | 08:44 |
| Luria | but, you can make it as complicated as you want; from desigining antennas to dsp circuits... | 08:44 |
| Luria | or joining amsat :-) | 08:44 |
| Luria | you cant broadcast :-) | 08:45 |
| Luria | broadcasting is a specific term that is sehr verboten | 08:45 |
| unique311 | just for communicating with others | 08:45 |
| Luria | for non commercial purposes, yes | 08:45 |
| unique311 | ok | 08:45 |
| Luria | but the cool thing is this | 08:45 |
| Luria | every other type of radio in the us, frs, cb, whatever | 08:46 |
| Luria | requires you to buy hardware that is fcc approved. | 08:46 |
| Luria | a ham license allows you to do whatever you want with a vfo, as long as it fits in the fcc regs | 08:47 |
| Luria | and at 400x the power of off the shelf non-license user radios | 08:47 |
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| pupnik | cool | 08:49 |
| unique311 | looking at the wikipedia | 08:50 |
| unique311 | good stuff | 08:50 |
| unique311 | i was thinking pirate radio. | 08:52 |
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| unique311 | pupnik, did you check out faint on the garage... | 08:54 |
| pupnik | no, you said it was just a compile | 08:55 |
| unique311 | guess someone is going to hildon it | 08:55 |
| unique311 | well yeah..he uploaded the files | 08:55 |
| pupnik | cool, hopefully he can do that | 08:56 |
| unique311 | guess he serious about hildonizing it. finally. | 08:56 |
| pupnik | the memory bug on 770 needs to be fixed too | 08:56 |
| unique311 | someone took notice of all these goodies. | 08:56 |
| unique311 | well the 770 could do really nice with rgbpaint | 08:56 |
| pupnik | yeah that's an interesting bug with the pallettes | 08:57 |
| unique311 | take a look at his mtpaint source after he hildon it, and try at rgbpaint | 08:57 |
| * pupnik is playing final fantasy IX | 08:57 | |
| pupnik | :) | 08:57 |
| unique311 | i love me some final fantasy | 08:58 |
| unique311 | best game ever.. | 08:58 |
| pupnik | incredible amount of work went into it | 08:58 |
| unique311 | love 7 8 and 9 | 08:58 |
| pupnik | cool | 08:58 |
| pupnik | ff7 was the best selling psx game afaik | 08:58 |
| pupnik | and each of those cost millions to make | 08:59 |
| unique311 | i ended 7 and 8 | 08:59 |
| Luria | pupnik, google hildon ham | 08:59 |
| pupnik | what do you control with the nokia? frequency? | 09:00 |
| pupnik | or is this about packet radio? | 09:00 |
| Luria | either | 09:00 |
| Luria | once you link the audio out to a transceiver | 09:01 |
| Luria | you can do what you want | 09:01 |
| pupnik | ok that's cool | 09:01 |
| Luria | or rather, audio in/out | 09:01 |
| Luria | you could build, for example, a cw (morse) transcriber/translator | 09:02 |
| Luria | even better if someone gets a bt rs-232 working | 09:03 |
| Luria | look up aprs | 09:03 |
| Luria | and winlink | 09:03 |
| Luria | two very cool things that lend themselves to the maemo platform | 09:03 |
| pupnik | i can't be intere... whoah | 09:04 |
| pupnik | brb | 09:05 |
| Luria | emails from the amazon with positioning data :-) | 09:05 |
| Luria | hmmm... wonder what that was | 09:05 |
| pupnik | bad smell from power supply nm | 09:07 |
| pupnik | yeah it's cool stuff you're getting into | 09:07 |
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| Luria | blown cap? | 09:13 |
| pupnik | that's usually the smell | 09:15 |
| pupnik | i just shut down and will replace psu | 09:15 |
| pupnik | not going to risk some bad shockyness on my drives | 09:15 |
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| Luria | be super careful | 09:18 |
| Luria | i would ground and ware rubber shoes for a bad psu | 09:19 |
| Luria | err... wear | 09:19 |
| Luria | if you electrocute yourself and die, do let us know. | 09:20 |
| pupnik | this one scientist i know once woke up on the other side of the room from his workbench | 09:21 |
| Luria | high volt caps are scary | 09:23 |
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| Luria | huh... i left my computer on at home!?! | 09:23 |
| Luria | oops | 09:24 |
| Lynoure | Is there some known good source for replacement screens for N770? | 09:24 |
| pupnik | yeah some people who use huge caps in car audio screw up and reverse polatiry | 09:24 |
| pupnik | Lynoure: you can order replacement screens for about 150 euro | 09:24 |
| pupnik | nokia parts shop online | 09:25 |
| Lynoure | pupnik: is that Nokia price or component store price? | 09:25 |
| Lynoure | pupnik: ah. | 09:25 |
| pupnik | i just saw the link a couple of days ago | 09:25 |
| Luria | or you could order a replacement 770 for 150usd | 09:26 |
| Luria | ;-) | 09:26 |
| Luria | actually less | 09:26 |
| pupnik | how did you break yours? | 09:26 |
| Lynoure | Luria: but then one needs to be careful not to have the same problem in them | 09:26 |
| pupnik | oh you have touchscreen errors? | 09:26 |
| Lynoure | pupnik: I did not, it just lost touch sensitivity drasticly with time | 09:26 |
| pupnik | ah i saw your picture | 09:26 |
| pupnik | sorry to hear of it | 09:27 |
| Lynoure | pupnik: well, as the result (I think), it was given to me | 09:27 |
| Lynoure | So not a loss of anything else than expectations =) | 09:28 |
| Luria | sounds like it should be retired to server duty | 09:29 |
| Luria | j/k, somewhat | 09:29 |
| Lynoure | Luria: it kinda can work for pdf reading, once I get the reader started. Is there some way to get to the application menu with just using the buttons? | 09:30 |
| Luria | yes, 2nd button from the bottom on the face | 09:32 |
| Luria | it looks like a drop down menu list | 09:32 |
| Lynoure | Oh, it works for that too... somehow did not think of it outside app-specific menus | 09:32 |
| Luria | the equivalent of hitting alt(+f) on a windows box | 09:32 |
| Luria | i dont understand why you would replace the screen though, when a brand new one is less expensive | 09:33 |
| Luria | with fresh battery, warranty, etc, etc. | 09:34 |
| Lynoure | Luria: there are no brand new N770, are there? | 09:34 |
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| Luria | sure | 09:35 |
| Luria | well, there is new old stock | 09:35 |
| Luria | where are you? | 09:35 |
| Luria | country wise | 09:35 |
| Lynoure | Luria: If I could get a component screen, that should not be more than ~70 euros, max | 09:35 |
| Lynoure | Finland | 09:35 |
| _Monkey | Finland is closed in July due to holidays. Please come back later ;) | 09:35 |
| Luria | oh | 09:35 |
| Luria | http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-770-internet-tablet-internet-tablet-2006-software-edition/q/loc/101/204081472.html | 09:36 |
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| Luria | sorry, they are remarkably cheap in the us now | 09:36 |
| Luria | seen them as low as 129usd | 09:37 |
| _Monkey | I haven't seen 'them', Luria | 09:37 |
| Luria | _monkey, forget them | 09:37 |
| _Monkey | Luria, I didn't have anything matching them | 09:37 |
| Luria | _monkey, _Monkey? | 09:37 |
| _Monkey | i am an annoying bot | 09:37 |
| Luria | damn straight. | 09:37 |
| Lynoure | Luria: I'm possibly buying a used one for ~100, but I'd rather first take a shot at fixing this one. | 09:40 |
| Luria | i understand | 09:41 |
| Lynoure | (100 euros, not dollars, unfortunately) | 09:41 |
| Luria | 770 reliability kinda scares me, actually | 09:41 |
| Luria | and i just ordered one | 09:41 |
| Luria | (i have an n800) | 09:41 |
| pupnik | a percentage just have flaky touch screens | 09:42 |
| Luria | plus WSOD | 09:42 |
| Lynoure | That seems how touchscreens go. Luckily new-new devices often come with 24 month warranty | 09:42 |
| Gigabites | i've seen barely used 770s on craig's list if you have such thing in your country | 09:42 |
| Luria | which is why i would avoid a used 770 unless it were $50 | 09:43 |
| Luria | :/ | 09:43 |
| Gigabites | some as low as $90 | 09:43 |
| Gigabites | most people just wanna get rid of em | 09:43 |
| Luria | hmmm | 09:43 |
| Gigabites | since the 770 didn't live up to their expectations | 09:43 |
| Lynoure | Gigabites: I could no buy one without testing it first, but I know couple of people possible wanting to sell theirs | 09:44 |
| Gigabites | i bought a new in box N800 for $250 and i tested it while I was there before paying for it, it's now my "just in case" back up" | 09:44 |
| Luria | i like the n800 | 09:44 |
| Luria | its almost my perfect device | 09:44 |
| Gigabites | that'sthe beaauty of craig's list, it's local, you go to it to buy it, so you can do a quick test | 09:45 |
| Lynoure | I like the N770 shape better | 09:45 |
| Gigabites | i bought my n800 for $230 new at compusa when they closed stores, I should have bought all of em and sold em for a small profit heh | 09:45 |
| Luria | somewhere between the n800 and http://www.groupmobile.com/product.asp?sku=2991&dept_id=82 | 09:45 |
| Lynoure | the case is especially nicer than the eyeglasses-style pouch | 09:45 |
| Luria | yeah, though dont lose the case | 09:46 |
| Luria | i do think the n800 looks a lot better | 09:46 |
| Luria | i mean the 770 | 09:46 |
| Lynoure | the camera is useless for me | 09:46 |
| Gigabites | hahah hopefully closer to the n800, $4k for a tiny computer is a bit much | 09:46 |
| Lynoure | I have camera in the phone and in the camera already :) | 09:46 |
| Luria | http://www.ruggedpcreview.com/3_notebooks_itronix_mr1.html | 09:47 |
| Lynoure | But, I better head to work now. | 09:47 |
| Luria | read the review | 09:47 |
| Luria | the coolest machine ever | 09:47 |
| Luria | its like a modern version of my panasonic cf-m34 | 09:47 |
| Gigabites | sure, but i don't need $4k tiny pc | 09:48 |
| Gigabites | $300 for a n800 is good for what it is | 09:48 |
| Luria | plus, the general dynamics logo looks like it came out of robocop | 09:48 |
| Luria | hey, no complaints here | 09:48 |
| Luria | but i would love a rugged n800 | 09:49 |
| Gigabites | sub $300 in my case | 09:49 |
| Luria | and for the love of god, if not xflective, an outdoors readable screen | 09:49 |
| Gigabites | true | 09:49 |
| Luria | its such a waste of battery power not to have it | 09:50 |
| Gigabites | sing maemo mapper in the car is a pain in the daytime | 09:50 |
| pupnik | you want to compete with the sun, you need a big battery | 09:50 |
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| Luria | no, you dont | 09:50 |
| Gigabites | using | 09:50 |
| pupnik | sunlight is bright | 09:50 |
| Luria | you need to compromise on indoors contrast ratio | 09:50 |
| pupnik | hm | 09:50 |
| pupnik | people shining flashlights in the sun don't make sense | 09:51 |
| Gigabites | i must say that the n800 has a much better rf for wifi than the 770 | 09:51 |
| pupnik | psion 5mx is readable in sun | 09:52 |
| Gigabites | yeh but i don't care to own one | 09:52 |
| Darksmurf | unique311: around? that connector is a TNC | 09:53 |
| unique311 | thanks | 09:54 |
| Darksmurf | gnight all... | 09:54 |
| pupnik | cu | 09:55 |
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| Gigabites | man, wesnoth is the coolest game on n800 so far | 09:55 |
| Luria | nethack, foo! | 09:55 |
| Gigabites | um different type of game | 09:55 |
| Luria | coolness is coolnes | 09:56 |
| Luria | err... screwed the pooch on that tautology | 09:56 |
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| Gigabites | nethack is cool if you like rpg that you can't really save your place, die way too fast, has no real storyline, etc | 09:56 |
| pupnik | in roguelikes you die often, it's a different game paradigm | 09:57 |
| Luria | sure, its a good hacker game | 09:57 |
| Luria | die early, die often. | 09:57 |
| Gigabites | wesnoth's fit and finish is much better, not so ... "i'm playing at the campus computer lab in the mid '90s" | 09:57 |
| pupnik | the 90s ruled | 09:58 |
| Luria | yeah | 09:58 |
| Luria | wtf is with this 00's bs | 09:58 |
| Gigabites | the user made scenarious are cool too | 09:58 |
| pupnik | i need to try wesnoth - does it require more than 64MB? (vm) | 09:59 |
| Gigabites | the '90s was fun, too bad the music suckede | 09:59 |
| Luria | music was fine. | 09:59 |
| Gigabites | pup, yes, 60 meg for the main game, and anywhere between 2-14 megs for scenarious | 09:59 |
| pupnik | there was an explosion of new musical directions in the 90s | 09:59 |
| Luria | eternal september sucked | 09:59 |
| Gigabites | grunge sucked | 10:00 |
| Gigabites | and the whole boyband/girlband thing was a joke | 10:00 |
| pupnik | if you refer to pop music, that always sucks | 10:00 |
| Luria | which was remedied in the 00s... right? | 10:00 |
| Luria | grunge didnt suck. some of it sucked. | 10:01 |
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| Gigabites | no as a music genre and a fashion, it sucked | 10:01 |
| Luria | ok. | 10:01 |
| Luria | bed time, sorta | 10:01 |
| pupnik | btw re: grunge, one of the inspirations for Nirvana was 'Meat Puppets' - early 90s pregrunge that rocked. Also Pixies rocked (proto-grunge as well) | 10:02 |
| Luria | or, brb after a subway ride | 10:02 |
| Gigabites | loveed meat puppets hated over rated nirvana | 10:02 |
| pupnik | nice to meet you :) | 10:02 |
| Gigabites | heh | 10:03 |
| Gigabites | i wonder if they have wifi in subways? | 10:03 |
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| Mikho | how does grunge differ from prog? | 10:12 |
| Gigabites | dunno | 10:14 |
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| konttori | Hey, does anyone know how to get dput for osx? | 10:35 |
| keesj | konttori: you lucky bastard :p | 10:37 |
| konttori | how so? | 10:37 |
| konttori | I was just wondering about that so that I won't have to open linux virtual machine just for a few debian commands | 10:38 |
| konttori | I'll also need debsign | 10:38 |
| dpb_ | fink doesn't have it? | 10:38 |
| dpb_ | it has dpkg and apt-get atleast | 10:39 |
| konttori | not in default at least | 10:39 |
| keesj | you have osx | 10:39 |
| dpb_ | download dput sources and build it then :) | 10:40 |
| konttori | keesj: ahh. yeah. I love it. Thoroughly recommended. Not looking back to horrible looking pc boxes. mac mini is completely silent and looks terrific. | 10:40 |
| keesj | does somebody know why we can not do it inside sbox? | 10:40 |
| keesj | (dput stuff) | 10:40 |
| dpb_ | I love my MacBook <3 | 10:40 |
| keesj | I think I my next computer migt be a apple | 10:41 |
| dpb_ | Which is weird for me because I love minimalistic WMs too.. dwm <3 | 10:41 |
| * keesj is running wmii as window manager | 10:41 | |
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| keesj | hmm its' the same | 10:42 |
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| dpb_ | what's the same? | 10:43 |
| konttori | ahh.. I tried apt-get now, but it can't find dput. I suppose it's not provided by fink | 10:43 |
| dpb_ | yeah, thought so.. | 10:44 |
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| keesj | dwm == wmii | 10:47 |
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| dpb_ | It's not. | 10:49 |
| dpb_ | wmii is way too bloated. :) | 10:49 |
| dpb_ | dwm is wmii's little brother, they're not the same. | 10:50 |
| metratron | no wifi in nyc subways | 11:01 |
| metratron | except for this little bit in 59th street, where you can catch a bit of the parkwifi ssid | 11:02 |
| metratron | if you are lucky, it will route to the internet. | 11:02 |
| metratron | which was tested with my n800, thus channel related (plus a response to Gigabites) | 11:03 |
| metratron | and... | 11:03 |
| _Monkey | and is xchat same to install | 11:03 |
| metratron | http://parkwifi.nokia.com/ | 11:03 |
| metratron | _Monkey, forget and | 11:03 |
| _Monkey | metratron: I forgot and | 11:03 |
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| pupnik_ | how do new yorkers feel about Guiliani in general? | 11:07 |
| pupnik_ | listened to an interview with him and he seems mentally damaged | 11:08 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:52 |
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| florian | good morning | 12:00 |
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| Help | i dont know whether iam right here or not | 12:15 |
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| xzu | hello? | 12:16 |
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| xzu | i have a problem with my nokia 6280 | 12:17 |
| xzu | i cant put it off anymore | 12:17 |
| xzu | and tomorrow i will fly with a plane -.- | 12:17 |
| X-Fade | xzu: What makes you think you are in the right channel for that? :) | 12:17 |
| xzu | i googled Nokia Irc | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | Hehe, well read the topic... | 12:18 |
| xzu | ok this isnt the right channle? | 12:18 |
| xzu | my english is very bad | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | But you can always remove your battery? | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | That will turn it off.. | 12:18 |
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| xzu | mhhh ok | 12:19 |
| xzu | so thanks | 12:19 |
| xzu | bye | 12:19 |
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| red-zack | pupnik_: are you there? | 12:25 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:37 |
| _Monkey | aloha | 12:37 |
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| pello | hello, which tool can i use to get photos from my mobile phone to n800 by bluetooth? | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | pello: Just use the filemanager? | 12:38 |
| lardman | Turn bt on on the n800 (status bar icon), then just send them from the phone | 12:38 |
| lardman | or that :) | 12:38 |
| AD-N770 | lardman: http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/liboil/liboil/liboil/arm/math_vfp_asm.S?sortby=file&view=log | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | You have to pair your phone first for that to work though.. | 12:39 |
| pello | ok thanks | 12:39 |
| lardman | AD-N770: Ah good, you got it working then. What kind of speed improvement do you get? | 12:39 |
| AD-N770 | I want to do more testing before I'll talk about performance improvement, but are faster according oil-test | 12:41 |
| AD-N770 | but oil-test uses small vectors and I want test it more to be sure about the improvement | 12:41 |
| lardman | You should talk to Siarhei Siamashka of mplayer fame, he's done lots of work optimising ARM asm for that project | 12:41 |
| AD-N770 | I know, I wrote some libmpeg2 optimizations :) | 12:42 |
| lardman | ah, okay | 12:42 |
| AD-N770 | ssvb: what do you think on use vfp to write memcopy ? | 12:43 |
| lardman | ssvb: What kinds of memory crunching functions were you thinking about for the DSP? | 12:44 |
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| konttori_ | So, now that even psp will get video conferencing, could n800 get it agin as well? http://kotaku.com/gaming/clip/gomessenger-with-fancy-pants-computer-graphics-292548.php?autoplay=true | 12:53 |
| pello | thanks my photo are successfully uploaded | 12:54 |
| konttori_ | ssvb: thanks for the jpeg out for the mplayer. Great stuff. | 12:54 |
| pello | last question, how can i phone with my mobile phone from the n800? | 12:54 |
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| Gigabites | pello> rethink your question and ask again | 13:02 |
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| lardman | pello: gnokii? | 13:02 |
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| pello | lardman: yep :) | 13:04 |
| lardman | pello: Good good | 13:04 |
| greygusb | mh, i have plenty of way of phoning with my mobile phone from the n800 | 13:06 |
| greygusb | one is voip via umts :) | 13:07 |
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| lardman | Cool, the DSP EAP_* stuff has been added to the wishlist :) hadn't noticed that before | 13:14 |
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| pello | argggg phonelink crash | 13:20 |
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| Nermal | :) | 13:32 |
| unique311 | where is the new fm radio | 13:33 |
| Gigabites | i just used app mgr and clicked updates, new fm radio | 13:34 |
| unique311 | hmmm | 13:34 |
| unique311 | not showing here' | 13:34 |
| unique311 | 1.2.0 still | 13:35 |
| Gigabites | you might not have the right reps? | 13:35 |
| unique311 | which repo is it under | 13:36 |
| unique311 | i have catalogue | 13:36 |
| unique311 | which 1.2.0 is in | 13:36 |
| Gigabites | i dunno, i have all reps | 13:37 |
| Gigabites | my fm radio is v 1.4.6 | 13:37 |
| unique311 | can u check see what repo u got it from | 13:38 |
| Gigabites | i dunno how | 13:38 |
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| BOFH139 | Hey | 13:39 |
| Nermal | lo | 13:41 |
| BOFH139 | I have a bit of a braindead q | 13:43 |
| Nermal | o ? | 13:43 |
| BOFH139 | I'm tring to get air-crack working, I downloaded pre-compiled cx3110x.ko but where is the org umac.ko locatated on the N800? | 13:44 |
| unique311 | strange its in the catalogue repo.. | 13:45 |
| unique311 | but it is not being updated on my device | 13:45 |
| unique311 | manually i guess | 13:45 |
| Gigabites | the new "dowload a list of radio stations in your area" feature is really cool | 13:45 |
| Gigabites | is your n800 refreshing repos correctly? | 13:46 |
| unique311 | says it is.. | 13:46 |
| unique311 | not sure now if it is. | 13:46 |
| unique311 | i don't get any errors. | 13:46 |
| unique311 | wtf | 13:46 |
| Nermal | BOFH139: /lib/modules/<kernel version>/kernel/drivers probably | 13:47 |
| Nermal | or somewhere similar | 13:47 |
| Nermal | can't you do a locate umac.ko or something ? | 13:47 |
| * Nermal sadly can't get a 770 or afford an n800 so is guessing :| | 13:48 | |
| unique311 | should i be doing apt-get upgrades on my n800? | 13:48 |
| unique311 | or even apt-get dist-ugrade | 13:49 |
| ssvb | AD-N770: I did not try to do anything with vfp yet, but memcpy is most likely limited with memory bus throughoutput but not with the type of instuctions that are used, the code should be scheduled so that the memory bus is always doing some transfer (flushing write buffer or prefetching new data), also TRM specifies different types of data transfer: 1 word, 4 words and 8 words, larger data transfer blocks mean faster throughoutput (using aligned LDM/STM) | 13:49 |
| kulve | unique311: imo, upgrades are a good thing. They can break things, but usually not.. | 13:49 |
| kulve | just check that it doesn't suggest doing anything too wild | 13:50 |
| unique311 | well i never do them.. | 13:50 |
| kulve | the kernel modules are in /mnt/initfs/lib/.. | 13:50 |
| unique311 | just asking if i should be. | 13:50 |
| kulve | I am | 13:50 |
| unique311 | my application manager seems to be broken. | 13:50 |
| BOFH139 | Nermal: I don't have whereis or locate :/ | 13:51 |
| kulve | BOFH139: 13:50 < kulve> the kernel modules are in /mnt/initfs/lib/.. | 13:51 |
| AD-N770 | ssvb, I'm thinking on use fldmia/fstmia for multireg load/save and not having to stack arm registers | 13:52 |
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| AD-N770 | ssvb: I wrote some code using vfp for liboil | 13:53 |
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| ssvb | lardman: I meant data crunching as using DSP for performing some computationaly heavy calculations or even the whole decoder while working with 'some input data buffer' -> 'some output data buffer' (via memory mapping) without any access to audio codec or even framebuffer | 13:53 |
| kulve | ssvb: I have speex encoder doing that (not with mmap though). And it gets stucked after 30sec-90sec for unknown reason.. | 13:54 |
| ssvb | AD-N770: both fldmia/fstmia and ldmia/stmia can transfer rather large blocks of data via a single instruction more than enough to keep memory bus busy, but benchmarking may really reveal some interesting details | 13:56 |
| ssvb | kulve: nothing is perfect, probably you encountered some bug | 13:56 |
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| kikka | Funktioniert Maemo 3.0/2007 Edition auf dem n770? | 13:58 |
| ssvb | kulve: for example both 770 and N800 have some (minor) bugs in the framebuffer driver which affect mplayer, but they are probably never triggered from the standard nokia bundled software (xserver) so they were not detected by quality assurance staff | 13:59 |
| ssvb | kulve: the same probably affects dspgateway | 13:59 |
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| kulve | ssvb: yeah. The dsp tasks made by nokia seems to be using mmap, so I'll try that next. (I'm not sure about the mmap.. At least they have .cmd file stating something about the memory regions. I haven't yet had the time to study that part.) | 14:00 |
| kikka | I consider to buy me a n770. Is that worthwhile itself? | 14:00 |
| Nermal | if you can get hold of them | 14:01 |
| dpb_ | There is no n770. It's just 770. | 14:01 |
| dpb_ | :P | 14:01 |
| Nermal | only place I've found them in stock in the uk now is on amazon with the gps navkit for 150 quid | 14:01 |
| Nermal | which if you consider the navkit is normally 80, isn;t too bad | 14:01 |
| kikka | I'm in germany. It cost here 169€.. new. | 14:02 |
| unique311 | k, i see the problem.. | 14:02 |
| unique311 | getting gpg errors for catalogue tableteer repo | 14:03 |
| kikka | Functions Maemo 3,0 on that 770 (:P)? | 14:03 |
| kulve | kikka: not really | 14:03 |
| unique311 | can anyone help me with the gpg keys for catalogue.tableteer, maemo-hackers, and tuomas.kulve.fi | 14:04 |
| unique311 | getting gpg errors for those 3 | 14:04 |
| kikka | Mhm, what are the differents between maemo 2.0 an Maemo 3.0? | 14:04 |
| kulve | you don't have my key probably there.. | 14:04 |
| kulve | unique311: but is that really a problem? | 14:04 |
| unique311 | not sure.. | 14:04 |
| unique311 | it is for catalogue probably. | 14:04 |
| kulve | kikka: maemo3.0 "Bora" is for n800. It has newer software.. | 14:04 |
| unique311 | its not refreshing. | 14:04 |
| unique311 | properly. | 14:05 |
| Gigabites | unique. yeh i'm seeing that error myself in my logs | 14:05 |
| unique311 | had to install fm-radio manually | 14:05 |
| maddler | doh... looks like google* is almost unreachable... | 14:05 |
| maddler | from Italy at least | 14:05 |
| kikka | kulve: Mhm, that's not the problem... I can work with older software. | 14:05 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all | 14:05 |
| Gigabites | 3 repos now has gpg errors | 14:05 |
| unique311 | well thats not the problem then. | 14:05 |
| kikka | I think,. i buy an 770. The 800 ist too expensively | 14:05 |
| Gigabites | kikka, it all depends what you think you will get outta it | 14:06 |
| Gigabites | if you are new to the whole IT thing, then the 770 is ok | 14:06 |
| kulve | kikka: if you don't want 100% stable stuff, there is a Hacker Edition of the newer stuff for 770 | 14:06 |
| Gigabites | you will get your feet wet, so to speak | 14:06 |
| unique311 | if Gigabites did the fm-radio update with the gpg errors, then thats not the problem. | 14:06 |
| Gigabites | if you see what the n800 can do better, and you think it's woth the cost, go from there | 14:06 |
| unique311 | Gigabites, do you have the headphones icon on the fm-radio applet | 14:07 |
| unique311 | Gigabites, do you have the headphones icon on the fm-radio applet? | 14:07 |
| unique311 | http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7987/screenshot01ff8.png | 14:07 |
| kikka | I think the 770 is optimally for me. | 14:07 |
| kikka | :) | 14:07 |
| unique311 | mines seem to be MIA | 14:07 |
| Gigabites | unique, my repo list was ok as of this afternoon (west coast US time), just now as I checked i have errors | 14:07 |
| kulve | kikka: 770/n800 is perfect for ircin from anywhere :) | 14:08 |
| kulve | ircing | 14:08 |
| lardman | ssvb: I was wondering if you had something specific in mind? | 14:08 |
| Gigabites | yes, i have headphone icon, speaker icon, it does the download list thing, and it's v1.4.6 | 14:08 |
| kikka | ircing? Internet Relay Chat? | 14:08 |
| BOFH139 | Anybody know where I can get aireplay for the N800? | 14:08 |
| lardman | ssvb: some particular bit of numbercrunching | 14:08 |
| unique311 | well i have 1.4.6 installed | 14:09 |
| Gigabites | i did like xchat for 770 , if you don't configure it | 14:09 |
| unique311 | but the 4 icon on the applet is missing in action | 14:09 |
| kulve | kikka: jep | 14:09 |
| kikka | Mhm, fine. xchat :) | 14:09 |
| lardman | kulve: When you look at mmap, see if you can work out what shmem is in the mmapinfo struct in the task struct | 14:09 |
| kulve | "what shmem"..? | 14:10 |
| lardman | p57 of the dspgateway spec | 14:10 |
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| lardman | I don't know whether I need to define it, or if it's a global var provided by the dspgateway/bios | 14:11 |
| Gigabites | anywhere with a wifi connection | 14:11 |
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| kulve | lardman: wild guess: it's global char shmem[0x1000];? | 14:13 |
| kikka | @770-users, are you contently with the 770 :D? | 14:15 |
| florian | kikka: I am... I have a N800 as well, but the 770 is still in use. Its nicer to carry around because it has a good cover. | 14:17 |
| kikka | florian: Du sprichst doch auch Deutsch? | 14:17 |
| florian | kikka: Ja... | 14:17 |
| ssvb | lardman: implement some audio decoders (like you and kulve are trying), port some video decoder (libmpeg2 or theora for example), or implement something like xvmc but without using x protocol, and working with dsp tasks directly (accelerate some parts of video decoding such as motion compensation and idct) | 14:18 |
| kikka | Ok. :) | 14:18 |
| lardman | ssvb: The latter part, do you have some code you want put in a task to test with? | 14:18 |
| kikka | Also ich werde mir, auch weil ich als schueler nicht soviel Geld haben (^^''), das 770 kaufen :) | 14:18 |
| maddler | and now is ebay turn... | 14:19 |
| lardman | kulve: Yes, good idea, I'd expected the shared region to be on the ARM side for some reason. Got to read the docs again | 14:19 |
| maddler | something strange going on... | 14:19 |
| lardman | ssvb: derf was talking about wanting to try theora on the dsp | 14:20 |
| kulve | lardman: hmm.. maybe it's somehow automatically exported since it's told in the dsptask struct? | 14:21 |
| lardman | kulve: What you say sounds okay, I think I'll need to set the location of that memory in the .cmd file - something new to try | 14:21 |
| lardman | kulve: So that it's in shared SDRAM | 14:22 |
| kulve | lardman: yeah, that's probably required. Please let me know, if you make any progress on that :) | 14:22 |
| kulve | I'll just cut'n'paste it then :) | 14:22 |
| ssvb | lardman: that's great, btw access to the framebuffer from dsp is not needed at all, color conversion and scaling can be done by ARM core quite efficiently | 14:22 |
| lardman | kulve: I'll have some time on Sunday/Monday/Tuesday (Bank holiday) so I'll try it then | 14:24 |
| lardman | kulve: I need to copy the slab alloc code from speex first of all | 14:24 |
| lardman | ssvb: Yep, it would be interesting to know why Nokia dropped framebuffer writing dsptasks though | 14:25 |
| lardman | Right, got to pop out, bbl | 14:25 |
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| ssvb | kulve, lardman: some interesting example is dspfbsink for nokia 770, it moves some frame data into a shared memory and makes DSP scale and display it, it would be probably impossible to do that fast without shared memory mapping between arm and dsp | 14:26 |
| ssvb | lardman: probably because nokia thinks that dsp in N800 is not good for video (it runs at 220Mhz, right?) | 14:27 |
| kulve | ssvb: is the source for that somewhere? | 14:27 |
| ssvb | kulve: maybe in mistral repository, this dsp task is not used on N800 anymore | 14:29 |
| kulve | sources too? Not just some binary blob? | 14:29 |
| kulve | on the dsp side | 14:29 |
| ssvb | kulve: that's the source of gstreamer part of the bundle, dsp task is still closed source | 14:30 |
| kulve | I think the dsp side would be more interesting.. On ARM side it's just mmap() | 14:30 |
| kulve | mmap() + write() | 14:30 |
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| kikka | Mhm, there are many go software for 770... nice :-) | 14:34 |
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| ssvb | kulve: that dspfbsink is just a good proof that dsp<->arm communication via mapping is fast enough to handle video frames data in real time | 14:37 |
| kulve | ssvb: hmm.. | 14:38 |
| kulve | ssvb: Maybe I'll do some measurements if I get it working | 14:38 |
| kulve | we had some latency issues some years ago when we tested on omap1510 dev board | 14:38 |
| kulve | but I think we didn't use mmap then | 14:38 |
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| kulve | on the other hand the latency wasn't about the data amount, but the time it took to transfer a byte there and back. And that needs to be done with mmap too | 14:39 |
| ssvb | kulve: so we can probably do video decoding on dsp and color conversion with video output on arm, yes benchmarks would be quite interesting | 14:39 |
| ssvb | kulve: do you remember some numbers for arm -> dsp -> arm turnaround time? | 14:40 |
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| kulve | it took some milliseconds. And we were encoden 20ms audio frames, so it was quite big percentage. | 14:41 |
| kulve | but we could have had some bugs there. And the dspgw has improved since then | 14:41 |
| ssvb | kulve: for video it would really need to be order of magnitude lower than interval between frames | 14:41 |
| kulve | well, I think it's not that bad anymore (hopefully) | 14:42 |
| kulve | I could try to drop the speex encode from my current task and just copy the 20ms data there and back and see how long it takes | 14:42 |
| ssvb | kulve: even if this time is bad, hopefully only the thread communicating with dsp is blocked and other threads are free to use cpu | 14:44 |
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| greygusb | mh, strange | 15:02 |
| greygusb | if i doubleclick some file in the n800 filebrowser, then the associated application starts but does not open the doubleclicked file | 15:03 |
| kulve | buggy application | 15:03 |
| greygusb | just happend with a .pdf file, doubleclicked it, evince started, but with no file opened | 15:03 |
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| kulve | hmm.. I think people have that working with evince | 15:03 |
| greygusb | same happened with mp3's when i had kmplayer installed which then got launched instead of the shipped mediaplayer | 15:04 |
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| rik | anyone used a celluon laserkey bluetooth keyboard? | 15:28 |
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| rik | in fact, is there a good bluetooth keyboard we like? projector is good but not necessary. | 15:36 |
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| kikka | Doom on 770? -__- | 16:03 |
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| kulve | kikka: doom1 runs just fine.. | 16:10 |
| kikka | hm.. amarok? is there any amarok on 770? Or something else? MPlayer? | 16:11 |
| pupnik | can we get source for dspfbsink for 770 | 16:11 |
| pupnik | oh sry | 16:11 |
| erstazi | kikka: amarok is quite big, and its a Qt app,... which is KDE, the Hildon DE on a 770 is a part-project of Gnome | 16:12 |
| erstazi | pupnik: sorry for what? | 16:12 |
| kikka | erstazi: Okay :) | 16:12 |
| pupnik | kikka yes mplayer | 16:13 |
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| pupnik | i am very zufrieden with my 770 | 16:13 |
| kikka | Ah, cool. :) | 16:13 |
| pupnik | kikka you know linux? | 16:13 |
| Tybor | Are emacs and vim usable using a Bluetooth keyboard? | 16:13 |
| pupnik | yes | 16:13 |
| erstazi | Tybor: I use vi and nano without a keyboard | 16:14 |
| keesj_ | wrong kind of question , it depends on who you ask | 16:14 |
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| erstazi | hello DaniloCesar | 16:14 |
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| Tybor | I've heard they have problems with esc or ctrl or alt keys | 16:14 |
| DaniloCesar | hi | 16:15 |
| _Monkey | hello, DaniloCesar | 16:15 |
| erstazi | Tybor: ah, that depends | 16:15 |
| pupnik | my thinkoutside stowaway bt keyboard has no problems | 16:15 |
| Tybor | erstazi, on what? | 16:15 |
| pupnik | busybox vi has bugs though so for serious editing install real vim | 16:15 |
| erstazi | Tybor: on how much you want to load a whole operating system on your nokia (emacs) haha just playing (: | 16:15 |
| Tybor | erstazi, oh no worries: I loaded linux on Amigas, on low-end iBooks, on Psion 5mx. So I'm used to tight spaces | 16:16 |
| erstazi | Tybor: heh, I am just playing though | 16:16 |
| rwhitby | emacs, a great operating system abstraction layer :-) | 16:17 |
| Tybor | erstazi, does such keyboard allow sequenses like ALT-CTRL-%? | 16:17 |
| erstazi | Tybor: I have seen many that do, I do not use a keyboard, for serious typing on my nokia, I just ssh | 16:17 |
| Tybor | ok thanks! | 16:18 |
| keesj_ | I really love the hackers osso-xterm in combo with irssi, the few buttons make it really healthy to work with | 16:18 |
| Tybor | got to go... happy hacking | 16:18 |
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| keesj_ | perhaps that for emacs you can map those keys to C-x stuff | 16:19 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... I'm trying to update my maemo sdk from 3.1 to 3.2 so I try to follow this instruction http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.2/INSTALL.txt but apt-get dist-upgrade tell me the the is not upgrade. Can anyone help me? | 16:23 |
| kulve | "the the is not upgrade"? iirc, there's not much to upgrade.. | 16:24 |
| kulve | something ofc, but not much | 16:24 |
| mk8 | kulve: from 3.1 to 3.2 something to upgrade must to be | 16:25 |
| mk8 | atp-get tell me no upgrade ... :( | 16:25 |
| erstazi | mk8: did you update your sources.list? | 16:26 |
| erstazi | s/update/change/ | 16:26 |
| infobot | erstazi meant: mk8: did you change your sources.list? | 16:26 |
| mk8 | I remove all the old lines (I comment it of course) and insert the line that the installer told me | 16:26 |
| erstazi | ok | 16:27 |
| pupnik | did you run apt-get update? | 16:29 |
| mk8 | from scratchbox. Both x86 and ARMEL enironment | 16:29 |
| kikka | can i connect from ubuntu feisty to maemo? | 16:29 |
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| erstazi | kikka: what kind of connection? | 16:30 |
| mk8 | s/enironment/snvironment | 16:30 |
| mk8 | s/snvironment/environment | 16:30 |
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| pupnik | mk8 i do know an answer | 16:30 |
| pupnik | maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | 16:30 |
| kikka | <erstazi> kikka: what kind of connection? <- usb, bluetooth. | 16:31 |
| kulve | kikka: with usb at least | 16:31 |
| pupnik | you can connect to the 770 tablet via ssh and vnc for example | 16:31 |
| kikka | Mhm... Datatranfer -> scp? | 16:31 |
| pupnik | yes also you can transfer files via usb | 16:31 |
| kikka | Ok. :D | 16:32 |
| kulve | kikka: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosetupusbnetworkingdebian/ | 16:32 |
| rik | pupnik: do you use a bluetooth keyboard? | 16:32 |
| pupnik | yes | 16:32 |
| rik | which one? | 16:32 |
| pupnik | thinkoutside stowaway | 16:32 |
| rik | i'm thinking about getting one... | 16:32 |
| * rik googles. | 16:33 | |
| erstazi | pupnik, on your 770? | 16:33 |
| rik | oh. do you lke it? | 16:33 |
| pupnik | yes but mostly i chat and do unix commands with it - no programming | 16:33 |
| pupnik | thinkouside sierra has number row | 16:34 |
| rik | would it be awkward for programming then? | 16:34 |
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| pupnik | you need to get used to function-key combinations for the 4th row | 16:35 |
| erstazi | like most modern laptops | 16:35 |
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| kikka | <kulve> kikka: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosetupusbnetworkingdebian/ <- Thanks. | 16:35 |
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| kulve | < kikka> <kulve> kikka: np :) | 16:36 |
| erstazi | oh no, bottom posting in irc | 16:36 |
| rik | hmm. thanks. | 16:37 |
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| erstazi | pupnik: iGo Stowaway BT Keyboard or iGo Stowaway Ultra-Slim BT Keyboard? | 16:40 |
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| pupnik | don't know | 16:45 |
| erstazi | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823203005 | 16:46 |
| erstazi | that looks nice | 16:46 |
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| lardman | ssvb, kulve: I'll take a look at the gstreamer part of that task, the audio sinks also do mmap - I was looking at dsppcmsink | 17:03 |
| lardman | dis55 infact | 17:04 |
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| * pupnik imagines opengl on DSP | 17:06 | |
| pupnik | in userspace :P | 17:06 |
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| lardman | opengl using the powervr mbx is more like it | 17:09 |
| pupnik | not for 770 :) | 17:09 |
| lardman | ah, true | 17:09 |
| greygusb | did i really see some progress on the powervr driver situation | 17:10 |
| lardman | nor for the n800 ;) | 17:10 |
| pupnik | but i am being silly - ogg decoding will save about 10-12% ARM cpu | 17:10 |
| greygusb | i remember seeing some links yesterday in a ps1 emulator thread, but did not click them as it already was way too late | 17:10 |
| lardman | greygusb: There's a 2.6.x kernel driver (wrong version kernel) and opengl tarball somewhere on the Ti site | 17:10 |
| lardman | on itt? | 17:10 |
| greygusb | yes | 17:11 |
| greygusb | one sec, i'll have a lok again | 17:11 |
| pupnik | lardman: it is under the 'gaming' section | 17:11 |
| * lardman fires up a browser | 17:11 | |
| pupnik | sorry greygusb | 17:11 |
| greygusb | np, i just saw them and thought i have to have a look today | 17:11 |
| greygusb | of course i forgot :) | 17:11 |
| pupnik | it might theoretically be possible to run the GPU renderer on the DSP | 17:12 |
| pupnik | or the SPU | 17:13 |
| lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=70570&postcount=48 | 17:13 |
| pupnik | but there are a lot of synchronisation issues | 17:13 |
| lardman | interesting, sign up to the newletter with an option to notify about n800 drivers. That wasn't there when I signed up | 17:13 |
| pupnik | but it would be easier than say running the SNES PPU on DSP | 17:14 |
| kulve | lardman: it's been there quite awhile and I haven't received a single mail there.. | 17:14 |
| pupnik | that would be practically impossible | 17:14 |
| Blacksitox | re | 17:14 |
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| lardman | kulve: Well it's a step in the right direction hey? | 17:15 |
| lardman | pupnik: What's the PPU? | 17:16 |
| greygusb | thats what i thought, the last time i checked the powervr issue all that was visible was some strange pepperpad drivers ... | 17:16 |
| lardman | they've been around for ages, different processor though | 17:17 |
| pupnik | 'Pixel Processing Unit' - the device that does the sprites and layers and raster effects on SNES. It is the most expensive part of snes emulation. | 17:18 |
| greygusb | yes, but compared to that for me now something has improved, information wise. not much, but someething. thats all i wanted to say ;) | 17:18 |
| pupnik | next-gen iphone-like user interfaces would also benefit from openGL - even if just for 2D scaling and layering | 17:19 |
| lardman | pupnik: Where there;s a will there's a way, I'm sure you could get the PPU running on there if you really wanted to | 17:20 |
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| pupnik | yes, a very smart dedicated person with maybe 1 year time :) | 17:21 |
| pupnik | the psx GPU is much more decoupled from cpu | 17:21 |
| lardman | I guess it depends on how the commands are sent to it | 17:22 |
| pupnik | on SNES they need to be clock synced | 17:22 |
| lardman | whether you'd have to emulate the pipelines, etc., or if you could handle it at a higher level | 17:22 |
| greygusb | doen't it mkae more sense to just port some native linux games to the device, i mean there are tons of them, and many don;t need 3d at all | 17:22 |
| pupnik | no clean API | 17:22 |
| lardman | well that's not the end of the world, as the CPU part it emulated too | 17:22 |
| pupnik | greygusb: see http://pupnik.de for games :) | 17:22 |
| greygusb | www.happypenguin.org is a great source, in case you don't know the page - its a time killer ;) | 17:23 |
| pupnik | i have a long list of tasks if you want to work on any of them | 17:23 |
| lardman | Anyway, gf just turned up, time to go. I'll be back after the weekend, and hacking on the Tremor/mmap problem to see where it goes | 17:23 |
| lardman | have a nice weekend all | 17:23 |
| pupnik | cheers! awesome | 17:23 |
| lardman | bye | 17:23 |
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| greygusb | pupnik: I'm not much of a coder (only perl/php and other interpreted stuff). If you need artwork or storylines though, just ask ;) | 17:24 |
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| pupnik | there is a kind-of boring artwork job. Secret Maryo Chronicles 0.97 needs bitmaps/sprites from the 1.0 version converted to it | 17:25 |
| pupnik | because 1.0 uses openGL | 17:25 |
| pupnik | but i can do this - it's just processing | 17:26 |
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| greygusb | mh, converting, i was more talking about painting/designing ;) | 17:26 |
| pupnik | do you have skills to do low-res pixel pushing for icons/sprites? like 20x20 sprites? | 17:27 |
| greygusb | did graffitti art some years ago, so comic like grafics are no problem ;) | 17:27 |
| pupnik | ah ok | 17:27 |
| greygusb | mh, icons you mean? | 17:27 |
| greygusb | not much experience, more bigger stuff | 17:27 |
| greygusb | i think I'd take longer than somebody who regulary does it to et usefull results | 17:28 |
| greygusb | but yeah, something i'd try. Depends on how much of course, I'd not like to do the whole KDE icon set once more, but 10 - 20 should be fine ;) | 17:29 |
| greygusb | mh, i should not install the frodo emulator - i should not install the frodo .... too late | 17:30 |
| * greygusb is now busy | 17:30 | |
| pupnik | frodo needs a 2x screen scaler mode - also frodo authors are slowly writing a SDL config frontend | 17:31 |
| greygusb | i just installed it, will try out later when at home | 17:31 |
| pupnik | ok :) | 17:31 |
| pupnik | i think i included a reasonable config for it | 17:31 |
| greygusb | just love frodo, I'm an old C64 junkie - was my first computer :) | 17:32 |
| pupnik | great - you give feedback and i will make it better | 17:32 |
| greygusb | sure, just have to stay at work for at least like 5h or so | 17:32 |
| pupnik | over the next weeks i mean... | 17:33 |
| greygusb | i wonder if there is some organized testing for n800 apps, something like testopia or so would be cool | 17:33 |
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| guaqua | are wpa encrypted wifi nets supposed to work out-of-the-box with n800? | 17:34 |
| ||cw | I believe so | 17:34 |
| ||cw | IIRC, even the 770 has WPA support by default | 17:34 |
| guaqua | i seem to be unable to connect to my fonera accesspoint | 17:35 |
| guaqua | or moreso to the private part of it | 17:35 |
| kulve | I have wpa working home just fine | 17:35 |
| kulve | with preshared key or whatever.. | 17:35 |
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| greygusb | mh, anyone knows some vector based drawing tool for n800? | 17:41 |
| greygusb | can be simple, just for drawing some charts | 17:41 |
| pupnik | what do you normally use? | 17:42 |
| greygusb | openoffice | 17:42 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that openoffice is too big. try abiword and for spreadsheet i think gnumeric is ported | 17:42 |
| greygusb | not because i like it, its just always installed | 17:42 |
| greygusb | i have gnumeric and abiword for spreadsheets and documents, i nedd something for simple charts | 17:43 |
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| greygusb | inkscape or karbon14 are others that come to my mind, something like that, can be way more primitive | 17:44 |
| Nermal | _Monkey: botsnack | 17:44 |
| _Monkey | thanks Nermal :) | 17:44 |
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| pupnik | greygusb: http://michaels770.blogspot.com/2006/04/dia-drawing-program.html | 17:44 |
| greygusb | dia - perfect -thanks ! | 17:45 |
| greygusb | I'll also try sodipodi, should both satisy my needs | 17:47 |
| greygusb | I already don;t use my macbook anymore ... n800 is enough ... | 17:47 |
| * pupnik points to lonely thinkpad on corner of desk | 17:47 | |
| Nermal | hum | 17:47 |
| greygusb | I just pray that nokia will add some way of external mionitor connection to the next gen device, that would make me buy it as soon as it appears. | 17:49 |
| pupnik | for presentations? | 17:49 |
| Nermal | use a usb -> vga thing ? | 17:49 |
| greygusb | nope, to have it connected to a big monitor at home | 17:49 |
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| pupnik | a cheap way to do that is run VNCserver on N800 | 17:50 |
| greygusb | the usb -> vga thing is my approach for now, but quite hackerish, and I'm still not sure the usb port is full usb 2.0 spped capabe | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | greygusb: There is still hope that there actually IS tv-out possible for the N800.. | 17:50 |
| greygusb | the usb vga driver needs that | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | The N95 has tv-out on it's 4 pin jack. The N800 has the same hardware and that same jack.. | 17:51 |
| Nermal | madness | 17:51 |
| Nermal | tv out on a phone | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | Nermal: I even use it ;) | 17:52 |
| Nermal | :| | 17:52 |
| gla55_ | it's pretty good quality.. | 17:52 |
| greygusb | i also would use it | 17:52 |
| Nermal | can you use it to talk to people too ? | 17:52 |
| Nermal | or have they scrapped that feature | 17:52 |
| X-Fade | Cranky Geeks on tv ;) | 17:52 |
| greygusb | thats great info, did not hear about the 4 pin thinggy | 17:52 |
| gla55_ | especially if you use it to watch hw decodd 640x480 flicks | 17:52 |
| greygusb | anyone tried to connect something to it ? | 17:52 |
| X-Fade | greygusb: That doesn't do anything.. | 17:52 |
| X-Fade | Needs driver support.. | 17:52 |
| greygusb | i see | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | But even then it is not sure that the hardware is connected. | 17:53 |
| greygusb | mh, maybe same amoutn of work as getting usb-vga working | 17:53 |
| greygusb | there is a driver for sis based usb-vga devices | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | greygusb: Just export your display? Or use vnc.. That is the easy way.. | 17:53 |
| Nermal | greygusb: http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/schematics/N800_Schematics.pdf maybe ? | 17:54 |
| greygusb | however, needs full speed usb2.0 and its kernel and X driver. so i assume you have to patch the kernel, patch the mutated x and so on | 17:54 |
| pello | which tool do you use to browse samba/NT shares ? | 17:54 |
| greygusb | oh, wow. nice schematics | 17:55 |
| Nermal | oops- big "company confidential" on it :| | 17:56 |
| greygusb | ups, i only read "customer care" lol | 17:57 |
| greygusb | I already have forgotten the url and never seen any pdf about nokia things - what are we talking about ? | 17:57 |
| Nermal | cats | 17:58 |
| greygusb | of course | 17:59 |
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| pupnik | heh you can just run xmkmf from the host side of sb :P | 18:30 |
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| BenSw | does anyone know where to find the Python2.4 binary for Maemo? | 18:33 |
| BenSw | or how to install python2.4.2 by scratch on the n800? | 18:34 |
| pupnik | apt-cache search python | 18:34 |
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| pupnik | python? | 18:35 |
| _Monkey | i heard python was at pymaemo.garage.maemo.org! | 18:35 |
| BenSw | it is, but they have the 2.5 version | 18:35 |
| BenSw | something that is incompatible with my usb driver | 18:35 |
| pupnik | in gregale i see 2.4 and 2.5 | 18:35 |
| pupnik | package = python2.4 | 18:35 |
| BenSw | gregale is something like apt-get? | 18:36 |
| BenSw | apt-cache returns with only 2.5 | 18:36 |
| BenSw | pupnik, where can I get said gregale to download 2.4.2 | 18:38 |
| BenSw | ? | 18:38 |
| pupnik | gregale is a version of maemo | 18:39 |
| BenSw | oh | 18:39 |
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| pupnik | so if apt-cache search only returns python2.5 you may have to search for 2.4 | 18:39 |
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| BenSw | via apt-get? | 18:40 |
| BenSw | err apt-cache | 18:40 |
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| timelE61i | anyone here understand svn:mime-type? | 18:40 |
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| pupnik | manually search BenSw - did that pymaemo link help? | 18:43 |
| BenSw | which link? | 18:43 |
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| BenSw | ok, found a link for it | 18:45 |
| BenSw | installing via application manager | 18:46 |
| BenSw | uh oh | 18:46 |
| BenSw | getting this error | 18:46 |
| BenSw | "Unable to install. Application package is incompatible with current software" | 18:46 |
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| BenSw | thoughts? | 18:47 |
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| BenSw | pupnik, any ideas? | 18:49 |
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| pupnik | BenSw: you can install with dpkg -i packagename.deb | 18:52 |
| BenSw | ok | 18:53 |
| pupnik | the error means the package was not made for your OS | 18:53 |
| BenSw | hmm | 18:53 |
| pupnik | but an older python might work also -- *might* | 18:53 |
| BenSw | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pymaemo/pymaemo-runtime_1.1-1_arm.deb?download | 18:54 |
| saaib | Morning everyone | 18:54 |
| BenSw | oops | 18:55 |
| saaib | I tried to install a couple of packages from garage and suceeded, but when I uninstalled them, the software still shows up in the menu | 18:55 |
| BenSw | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process | 18:55 |
| BenSw | thats what i meant to say | 18:55 |
| saaib | BenSw, that happened to me yesterday, I had to reboot the tablet in order to even get the list of packages installed | 18:56 |
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| BenSw | ok | 18:56 |
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| BenSw | yeah, does not match system | 18:58 |
| BenSw | dpkg: error processing pymaemo-runtime_1.1-1_arm.deb (--install): | 18:58 |
| BenSw | package architecture (arm) does not match system (armel) | 18:58 |
| BenSw | do you know of a version of pymaemo 1.1.1 or python 2.4.2 that was created for n800 | 19:00 |
| BenSw | i have a feeling that this one was out only for the n770, and when the n800 came out python2.5.1 was out already | 19:01 |
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| pupnik | BenSw: any arm binary will not run - you need armel | 19:08 |
| pupnik | it2005 = arm... do not use | 19:08 |
| pupnik | it2006 = armel, will usually run on it2007 (N800) | 19:09 |
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| dev | BenSw: what "usb driver" do you want to use? | 19:10 |
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| dev | BenSw: ? | 19:14 |
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| BenSw | sorry | 19:17 |
| BenSw | was out for a second | 19:17 |
| BenSw | one that I have made myself using pyusb and a special version of libusb | 19:17 |
| BenSw | controls a compass that I have made | 19:18 |
| dev | and why can't you use 2.5 with it? | 19:18 |
| BenSw | it wont run under 2.5 | 19:19 |
| BenSw | it was built specifically for 2.4 and we have been able to get it to run only under 2.4 | 19:19 |
| BenSw | hmm | 19:22 |
| BenSw | when I try to install by hand it says I dont have g++.... whats the easiest way to get that? | 19:23 |
| dev | and you can't build pyusb against 2.5? | 19:23 |
| BenSw | I don't think that is the point... the code will only work under 2.4 by using the special libusb that was created for 2.4 | 19:24 |
| BenSw | When I talked to the guy who created it and suggested running it under 2.5 he blew up and said "IT MUST BE RUN UNDER 2.4" | 19:25 |
| dev | doesn't sound right | 19:26 |
| dev | libusb is just a library, it is independent of the python version | 19:26 |
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| BenSw | I know it doesn't sound right, but considering that we have to get 2.4 to run, what is the easiest way to do that | 19:27 |
| BenSw | When I try to manually install it fails because it doenst have g++ | 19:27 |
| dev | maybe he talked about the python wrapper | 19:27 |
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| melmoth | BenSw, are you sure he was not mentionning a 2.4 kernel ? with may be specific usb related entry in /proc or soemthing ? | 19:33 |
| melmoth | because there are no python feature that are 2.4 and below only that i have heard of? | 19:34 |
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| erstazi | how is everyone? | 19:42 |
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| saaib | morning erstazi, pretty good | 19:51 |
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| pupnik | what's the correct/easy way to rearrange menu shortcuts? | 20:16 |
| erstazi | pupnik, I just edit the %gconf.xml file | 20:17 |
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| pupnik | there are very many gconf.xml files | 20:18 |
| pupnik | according to find | 20:19 |
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| ScorpioRising | hi guys, was wondering if anyone could help me with booting from my mmc card? | 20:20 |
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| pupnik | multiboot? | 20:21 |
| _Monkey | i guess multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card | 20:21 |
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| erstazi | pupnik: ~/.osso/menu/%gconf.xml | 20:22 |
| erstazi | thats on OS2006 | 20:22 |
| ScorpioRising | thanks, i'm actually working from that guide, I'm right near the end but it won't let me download 'tar' | 20:22 |
| pupnik | thanks erstazi ! | 20:22 |
| erstazi | that *should* be correct but its off the top of my head | 20:23 |
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| erstazi | hi user__ | 20:23 |
| user__ | hi | 20:23 |
| ScorpioRising | the following packages have unmet dependencies: busybox: conflicts: tar | 20:23 |
| erstazi | how are you? | 20:23 |
| ScorpioRising | osso-applet-languageregional-l10n-mr0: depends | 20:23 |
| pupnik | hmm i have .osso/menus/ but no gconf | 20:23 |
| ScorpioRising | osso-applet-languageregional-l10-es but it is not installable. | 20:23 |
| erstazi | pupnik: ls -al | 20:23 |
| erstazi | maybe its somewhere else... let me verify | 20:23 |
| ScorpioRising | I can't find the repositories for those files | 20:24 |
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| erstazi | pupnik: I was wrong, its ~/.osso/menus/applications.menu | 20:25 |
| erstazi | which is xml based still | 20:25 |
| ScorpioRising | I found this link containing similar files, but i don't know how to add it to my catalogue: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/mistral/maemo-packages--2.0.html | 20:25 |
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| pupnik | got it - thanks | 20:25 |
| erstazi | no problem | 20:25 |
| pupnik | hard to read :/ | 20:25 |
| erstazi | pupnik: the real annoying part about it is, it single lined ): | 20:25 |
| erstazi | and every time I add new lines, it collapses it again | 20:26 |
| erstazi | brb loo | 20:26 |
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| erstazi | ok back | 20:28 |
| erstazi | hi pleemans, zwnj | 20:28 |
| zwnj | hi erstazi | 20:29 |
| pleemans | Hi. | 20:29 |
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| Blacksitox | re | 20:44 |
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| ObeLisK_12183 | hey @ all =) | 20:51 |
| ObeLisK_12183 | can somebody help me?=D on this site here: www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=12183 | 20:51 |
| ObeLisK_12183 | thanks =)) | 20:51 |
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| nomis | argh, probably another one of these "luring into clicking" things. | 20:56 |
| nomis | "bum game"? | 20:57 |
| * nomis refuses to click. | 20:57 | |
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| zwnj | help! i cannot find the default *lock code*. i just installed 2007.4, but i cannot lock device... any idea? | 21:03 |
| Protocol- | zwnj: it's your wireless' card MAC address | 21:04 |
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| zwnj | Protocol-: oh, thanks | 21:04 |
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| zwnj | Protocol-: the lock code entry panel doesn't have anyway to input hex letters | 21:06 |
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| * timelE61i waits to see who will notice... | 21:09 | |
| timelE61i | hi gil | 21:09 |
| qgil | hi timelE61i - oh my, how many identities inside the same avatar! | 21:10 |
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| * timelE61i futily puzzles that statement | 21:12 | |
| timelE61i | Yo no puede traducir. | 21:14 |
| qgil | timelE61i: does your OS support poetry libraries? | 21:15 |
| pupnik | i edit applications menu and it always breaks | 21:16 |
| pupnik | results in no menu | 21:16 |
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| pupnik | does it require a reboot? | 21:18 |
| timelE61i | if you mean the s60 that runs on this phone. Yo no se. | 21:19 |
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| timelE61i | ok, i'm hungry, it's after 9, where do i go? | 21:19 |
| qgil | pupnik: do you mean via control panel "Navigation"? | 21:19 |
| timelE61i | yo quiero taco bell? | 21:20 |
| pupnik | no i am editing applications.menu in ~/.osso/menus | 21:20 |
| timelE61i | eww | 21:20 |
| qgil | timelE61i: in fact I was talking about your brain :) | 21:20 |
| pupnik | restoring from a backup restores the menu, so i doubt it's a reboot problem | 21:20 |
| pupnik | it'd be nice if vim could do some prettyformating of xml | 21:21 |
| timelE61i | Qgil: very limited. Por que tu dices este pregunta? | 21:21 |
| qgil | timelE61i: because each time I play with language in a non-dictionary way get a remark from you :) | 21:22 |
| qgil | lik gdb flags :P | 21:23 |
| * timelE61i puzzles | 21:23 | |
| qgil | timelE61i: btw, yesterday you came to visit but... | 21:24 |
| qgil | timelE61i: and btw tomorrow I will deliver list of products and components changing, as agreed | 21:24 |
| timelE61i | Yeah, i grabbed the shirt and sent it | 21:24 |
| timelE61i | it'll be blogged tomorrow | 21:24 |
| * qgil sighs because these days everybody coming to visit him just want a maemo t-shirt :'-( | 21:25 | |
| timelE61i | you agreed! | 21:25 |
| qgil | timelE61i: but still ;) | 21:25 |
| timelE61i | i'm afew weeks late on that promise | 21:25 |
| timelE61i | esp. Since it still needs to travel by post | 21:26 |
| * qgil in facts want to get as many visits as shirts remaining so he can get rid of the boxes | 21:26 | |
| timelE61i | well, you were busy, so i didn't want to interrupt... Anyway, we think we found people to fix tableteer.nokia.com | 21:27 |
| qgil | btw guys & grrls, we have some maemo t-shirts like http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/375 - any small idea not bringing (me) much thought/work is welcome | 21:27 |
| timelE61i | i'll gladly take a half dozen for future distribution | 21:28 |
| qgil | approved. next. | 21:28 |
| pupnik | prettyxml for vim http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=1366 | 21:28 |
| timelE61i | Heh | 21:28 |
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| timelE61i | i'll also drag my neighbors tomorrow to get them to take theirs, but i presume those are already budgetted | 21:29 |
| qgil | if Jonna wouldn't be on holidays I she would already made a call like with previous non-digital stuff distributed | 21:30 |
| * timelE61i tosses a parser warning and moves on | 21:31 | |
| qgil | yeah, I saw it | 21:31 |
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| lle2 | timelE61i: what was your sb2 patch about? I've lost it | 21:32 |
| pupnik | erstazi: see that prettyxml link - it helped me edit menu without breaking it | 21:32 |
| timelE61i | calling some parsing fn that takes a non const w/ a const pointer | 21:34 |
| timelE61i | i can dig it up again later | 21:34 |
| lle2 | hmm, I should clean things up some more I think | 21:35 |
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| timelE61i | I'm currently slightly lost a few blocks from home/work | 21:35 |
| qgil | fast poll: would be fair to offer maemo shirts to those helping *tonight* leaving http://maemo.org/community/wiki/orphans/ empty? If you agree I will post here the basic rules of the game - no further distribution, only this chat room | 21:35 |
| lle2 | last time I decided to clean a little bit I managed to throw away a couple hundred lines of crap | 21:36 |
| timelE61i | qgil: i generally support such things | 21:36 |
| lle2 | helping tonight? what does that mean? is there a party I'm missing somewhere? | 21:36 |
| qgil | online WikiEdit party | 21:37 |
| lle2 | oh | 21:37 |
| timelE61i | if bugs.maemo had more bugs, i'd suggest rewarding triagers. But it doesn't and i'm whacking it sunday anyway | 21:37 |
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| qgil | Nokia employees don't count in the poll :P | 21:38 |
| timelE61i | lol | 21:38 |
| timelE61i | we don't need the shirts either. C.f. Qgil ;-p | 21:39 |
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| qgil | so, if I get 10 ok's to a tshirts 4 WikiEdits party, then let's start it. If not, then no problem | 21:40 |
| qgil | delivered at home for free | 21:41 |
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| lle2 | you should post that to ask slashdot | 21:41 |
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| timelE61i | dear cmdr taco, how do you get your community to take out the trash? | 21:42 |
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| timelE61i | a. We don't, we use a firehose | 21:43 |
| qgil | (I'm secretly polling how many of the 222 people in room are idle) | 21:43 |
| lle2 | they're all zombies | 21:43 |
| timelE61i | b. Trash is an endagered species and should be protected | 21:43 |
| timelE61i | it's something like 180-190 i think | 21:44 |
| timelE61i | dolske isn't a zombie but he missed the shirt offer | 21:44 |
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| melmoth | did somebody mention free maemo t shirt ? :) | 21:44 |
| erstazi | what shirt offer? | 21:44 |
| erstazi | haha | 21:44 |
| tigert | qgil: heya | 21:45 |
| qgil | :) | 21:45 |
| dolske | braaaaaains | 21:45 |
| qgil | help leaving empty http://maemo.org/community/wiki/orphans/ and you'll get a free maemo shirt delivered at home (with some conditions) | 21:46 |
| lle2 | qgil: maybe you should edit the offer to all the wiki pages that need fixing? then whoever removes the offer from the page automatically qualifies | 21:46 |
| timelE61i | to be fair, you should topic the question | 21:46 |
| melmoth | quite an impressing list | 21:46 |
| erstazi | yes it is | 21:46 |
| qgil | lle2 good idea, pity that to solve a problem of 10 hours I should invest 5 more ;) | 21:46 |
| MoRpHeUz | qgil: I think it would be fair.. =) | 21:47 |
| erstazi | is Midgard CMS like mediawiki? | 21:47 |
| qgil | MoRpHeUz: you say ok, 9 left | 21:47 |
| dolske | Ahh, good old d0bfd0be2dd180d183d181d181d0bad0b8. Sounds like a timeless filename. :P | 21:47 |
| qgil | I'm not talking about EDITING pages, I'm talking about triaging the orphans | 21:47 |
| erstazi | yes | 21:47 |
| qgil | 9 "OK" more and I explain the basic rules of the game | 21:48 |
| lle2 | that list depressed me | 21:48 |
| MoRpHeUz | qgil: when you say triage you mean deleting "old" content and keep the ones that deserves to ? | 21:48 |
| erstazi | "A process in which things are ranked in terms of importance or priority" | 21:49 |
| erstazi | ? | 21:49 |
| tigert | and probably making sure those get linked to from the correct place? | 21:49 |
| MoRpHeUz | ok, got the point ^^^ | 21:49 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 21:49 |
| erstazi | and categorized? | 21:49 |
| MoRpHeUz | qgil: at what time this will happen ? | 21:49 |
| lle2 | I'd vote for just nuking them, if nobody could access them, they are not worth the trouble | 21:49 |
| qgil | basically I say deleting what is useless for sure, linking the definitely useful at and the rest at the corresponding section of http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ http://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ | 21:49 |
| melmoth | qgil it looks that all the nodes of the orphan tree are listed...woudl it not be easier to have only the root of the orphaned tree listed ? | 21:50 |
| qgil | the content of the pages itself doesn't need to be touvhed - much better if you do but tonight the challenge would be to get rid of the orphans and the (nowadays) trash | 21:50 |
| timelE61i | oh right | 21:50 |
| timelE61i | question about wiki | 21:50 |
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| timelE61i | how does one search it? | 21:50 |
| MoRpHeUz | qgil: tonight...what time at which time zone ? | 21:50 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 21:51 |
| qgil | timelE61i: there is a search box on the top right | 21:51 |
| * timelE61i tries searching for "reorganization" | 21:52 | |
| qgil | MoRpHeUz: the party starts as soon as I get 1+9 OKs - tomorrow morning I will see if the list is empty and who helped | 21:52 |
| lle2 | sounds like trying to assemble a raiding party in some online time-wasting game | 21:53 |
| qgil | melmoth: I think I don't get your question about the orphans and the tree | 21:53 |
| timelE61i | . . . Slowly . . . Over 3g | 21:53 |
| melmoth | then i dont get the goal :) I though it was detecting orphan pages. | 21:54 |
| qgil | you waste your time and you get a maemo t-shirt | 21:54 |
| melmoth | but several page listed are actually linked each to the others. | 21:54 |
| qgil | they are detected, and we need to find either a mother or a trash bin | 21:54 |
| qgil | for all of them | 21:54 |
| timelE61i | qgil: reorganisation .. No pages | 21:55 |
| MoRpHeUz | qgil: ok.. =) | 21:55 |
| erstazi | I can start from the bottom and work on the way up | 21:55 |
| qgil | melmoth: these islands are not ehlpful at the moment, I want them to have them either in the wiki main page (the good content) or in the WikiReorg (the dubious/conflictive) or in the trash bin (all the rest i.e. all the QuimGil - like pages) | 21:55 |
| lle2 | just cast them to a gobject and free it | 21:56 |
| erstazi | I can see some need to be reorganized and trashed | 21:56 |
| melmoth | yep, but it would help having a list of only the root, to be able to, like move a whole subtree. | 21:56 |
| timelE61i | qgil: reorganization .. 3 old pages | 21:56 |
| melmoth | i m thinking at several french pages that appears | 21:56 |
| timelE61i | qgil: expected results: page about bugs.maemo.org | 21:56 |
| qgil | erstazi: counting your OK we have 8 left | 21:56 |
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| melmoth | they seems to be all belonging to the same french subtree (root being most probably https://maemo.org/community/wiki/paged-accueil/) | 21:57 |
| qgil | if a french page is good goes to Reorg, if it's trash goes to trash bin | 21:57 |
| lle2 | how is anybody supposed to know if it's any good? | 21:57 |
| qgil | timelE61i: have you found "reorgani*ation" in any page other than these? | 21:58 |
| qgil | if you are not sure you list it where appropriate in WikiReorg | 21:58 |
| melmoth | wikipages...phear da judgment day :-) | 21:58 |
| timelE61i | qgil: i'm pretty sure it's in the wiki cleanup and bugs maemo pages | 21:58 |
| lle2 | shouldn't that be WikiRevolution | 21:58 |
| qgil | hum, it sems the spider is not spidering as often as it should | 21:59 |
| timelE61i | qgil: root problem: i knew we had a page about bugs.maemo | 22:00 |
| timelE61i | but i couldn't find it | 22:00 |
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| timelE61i | thankfully after i gave up, i happened to spot it linked from the main page | 22:00 |
| qgil | melmoth: do I count you or not? | 22:01 |
| keesj_ | timelE61i: that is the missing sitemap. I know it's old fashion | 22:01 |
| melmoth | nope, i may help if i have time, but i use ot go to bed at tenish (in 59 mn) | 22:01 |
| melmoth | so it sort of short. | 22:01 |
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| timelE61i | anyway, i'm trodging or trodding home, i'll attack pages using ethernet/dsl. 3g isn't good for wiki cleanup | 22:02 |
| qgil | delete 10 obvious pages and you get a shirt (i.e. MyName pages) | 22:02 |
| timelE61i | keesj: i don't understand | 22:02 |
| erstazi | qgil: is there documentation (very little of what I found) for Midgard CMS? | 22:02 |
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| MoRpHeUz | qgil: how about having an online store with products from maemo (like tshirts, etc...) to support the community/events ? | 22:02 |
| lle2 | we could also sell wiki pages there | 22:03 |
| keesj_ | you where not able to finds bugs.maemo.org. but never mind I just joined and did not read the full story | 22:03 |
| timelE61i | Qgil: anyway, "z" flavor is in bugsmaemo page | 22:03 |
| qgil | erstazi: this? http://www.midgard-project.org/documentation/ or are you asking about the maemo.org site specifically? | 22:03 |
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| MoRpHeUz | lle2: =P | 22:04 |
| erstazi | qgil: well, the former, I am familiar with mediawiki and the likes but not this, thank you | 22:04 |
| timelE61i | keesj: i take it that you now understand my problem? | 22:04 |
| qgil | MoRpHeUz: I'm still asking someone to tell me how to donate the SoC money for community activity and nobody seems to bother/dare | 22:04 |
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| MoRpHeUz | qgil: nobody == somebody at nokia ? | 22:05 |
| timelE61i | @maemo.org, silly.... | 22:05 |
| melmoth | qgil: where do you list pages that you think are not enough /irrevelant and should be removed ? | 22:05 |
| qgil | I asked in the lists twice or three time, in maemo-developers | 22:05 |
| MoRpHeUz | timelE61i, qgil: missed that thread.... =/ | 22:05 |
| red-zack | anyone know where to get the "new" os07 theme for 06 version on 770? | 22:06 |
| timelE61i | melmoth: i think we trust you to kill them | 22:06 |
| erstazi | heh | 22:06 |
| red-zack | the black one, black/blue | 22:06 |
| qgil | melmoth: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ | 22:06 |
| red-zack | or isnt it possible? | 22:06 |
| timelE61i | Adria? | 22:06 |
| red-zack | yes | 22:06 |
| red-zack | adria rulz | 22:06 |
| timelE61i | someone could repackage it | 22:06 |
| red-zack | i have one of it, but it doesnt work | 22:07 |
| timelE61i | i'd offer you mine if that meant i'd never have to see it again :) | 22:07 |
| red-zack | does not work correctly | 22:07 |
| melmoth | ooh, wikireorg, thats what i was missing | 22:07 |
| red-zack | i like this theme so much, must have it^^ | 22:07 |
| qgil | MoRpHeUz: you see? not even offering maemo merchandising for free I'm getting enough OKs sigh :) | 22:07 |
| timelE61i | technically i suspect the license isn't in your favor | 22:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | qgil: hehe, it's really hard... =( | 22:08 |
| erstazi | qgil: oks? I said ok | 22:08 |
| MoRpHeUz | qgil: anyway I'll take a look on those page at night.. =) | 22:08 |
| timelE61i | qgil: feel like abraham visiting lot in gemorah? | 22:08 |
| red-zack | mh, you mean its not good to use it? | 22:08 |
| timelE61i | i suspect that it's not listed as something customers may redistribute | 22:09 |
| qgil | MoRpHeUz, erstazi ... 8 ok's missing for the shirts4edits party | 22:09 |
| red-zack | ok, you know someone who could do that? | 22:10 |
| qgil | timelE61i: *now* I see the poetry inside you :) | 22:10 |
| erstazi | qgil: so you need 8 more... | 22:10 |
| qgil | yes, I consider that 10 people can easily clean that - I don't want to exploit anybody | 22:11 |
| erstazi | ok | 22:11 |
| qgil | and at the end is just a piece of the game :) | 22:11 |
| keesj_ | what is Jussi Kukkonen 's irc nick? | 22:12 |
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| erstazi | qgil: can I pm you? | 22:12 |
| qgil | bmguest | 22:12 |
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| timelE61i | qgil: i couldn't handle | 22:12 |
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| BenSw | hi | 22:12 |
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| g | hello boys | 22:13 |
| erstazi | hello g | 22:13 |
| g | i got a problem with ctorrent | 22:13 |
| BenSw | Has anyone tried running pyusb on maemo under python2.5? | 22:13 |
| red-zack | timelE61i: http://maemo.lancode.de/?path=./themes&PHPSESSID=241e0902b3346daced21a581f66e9906 <- these themes ( os07 ) doent work correctly for my 770 | 22:14 |
| timelE61i | ... Portrait of the artist as a young man | 22:15 |
| timelE61i | because my biblical knowledge is limited to 5 books | 22:15 |
| timelE61i | and i wasn't that great w/ greco roman mythos | 22:16 |
| red-zack | two white stripes unter my icon navigation bar, and in control panel fonts are ... not correct too | 22:16 |
| red-zack | mh^^ | 22:16 |
| red-zack | ok, thanks for interesting | 22:16 |
| qgil | so, it seems that normal users don't have permissions to completely delete pages, which in fact makes sense | 22:17 |
| qgil | I will create a PagesToDelete page so you can link them from there | 22:18 |
| qgil | this will take them out of the orphan pages and then I can go an delete in mode BRAIN=OFF | 22:18 |
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| dev | BenSw: I've made a build with 2.5 a few minutes ago | 22:19 |
| melmoth | qgil, is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/orphans/ computed on the fly ? | 22:19 |
| BenSw | dev, and it works? | 22:19 |
| BenSw | when i try to run some of the sample code i get this error | 22:19 |
| qgil | I get notifications of all the edits, so it's easy to see who did what and earned a free maemo shirt delivered at home | 22:20 |
| BenSw | File "usbenum.py", line 9, in <module> | 22:20 |
| BenSw | busses = usb.busses() | 22:20 |
| BenSw | usb.USBError: No error | 22:20 |
| melmoth | i just had a try adding a french link in https://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ , and it s still shows up as orphan (link is cartememoire) | 22:20 |
| qgil | melmoth: I would say so, just shift.reload just in case the caching system is tricking you | 22:20 |
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| melmoth | yop, shift reload did the trick. | 22:20 |
| qgil | MoRpHeUz, erstazi ... 8 ok's missing for the shirts4edits party | 22:21 |
| qgil | I mean | 22:21 |
| melmoth | ok, i ll try to list orphan french page then. | 22:21 |
| qgil | MoRpHeUz, erstazi, melmoth... 7 ok's missing for the shirts4edits party | 22:21 |
| red-zack | damn, cant find this themes. | 22:21 |
| red-zack | gr | 22:21 |
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| qgil | red-zack, BenSw I can't believe you don't want to get a free maemo tshirt you can't get anywhere else | 22:22 |
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| BenSw | where? | 22:22 |
| qgil | (starting with the agressing marketing) | 22:22 |
| qgil | HERE | 22:23 |
| erstazi | heh | 22:23 |
| red-zack | qgil: sure, want this shirt too :P | 22:23 |
| BenSw | that was not a link... | 22:23 |
| c0ffee | shirt? | 22:23 |
| red-zack | rofl | 22:23 |
| qgil | alright, with the permission of tigert I will make the topic even longer - wait | 22:24 |
| red-zack | first the theme, next the shirt ;) | 22:24 |
| red-zack | give it to me baby, aha aha ;) | 22:24 |
| erstazi | red-zack: there is a black theme out there for OS2006, I had it for a while | 22:25 |
| erstazi | I don't have the link currently | 22:25 |
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| gnr | i would download any tracks of gnr | 22:25 |
| gnr | i have used the terminal writing ctorrent -h | 22:25 |
| gnr | but i have not undestood as download the tracks | 22:26 |
| red-zack | erstazi: you know where to get it now? | 22:26 |
| red-zack | mh | 22:26 |
| gnr | could you help me ? | 22:26 |
| red-zack | ah, see- | 22:26 |
| * timeless wonders how to edit the wiki | 22:26 | |
| gnr | i would listen guns and roses | 22:26 |
| red-zack | erstazi: you know the name? | 22:26 |
| gnr | in their life they have just sold 90,000,000 of discs in the world | 22:26 |
| gnr | then i would download in ogg | 22:26 |
| timeless | oh, does the wiki require js? | 22:26 |
| gnr | a news for all | 22:26 |
| gnr | there is not anymore nokia 770 | 22:26 |
| gnr | only n 800 and last 3 ones was sent in Finland | 22:26 |
| gnr | i have ask if it's possibile to buy | 22:26 |
| gnr | they have said no ! | 22:26 |
| timeless | ok, how do i link to a wiki page? | 22:27 |
| erstazi | one down | 22:28 |
| erstazi | is this correct: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto/ (I did xnest) | 22:29 |
| erstazi | last I knew xnest is part of development and thats a howto | 22:29 |
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| timeless | how do i delete a page? | 22:30 |
| erstazi | timeless: if the url is like this: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/foo/ then do this [foo|bar] | 22:30 |
| erstazi | where bar is the text displayed for the link | 22:30 |
| erstazi | timeless: I believe there is a deletion page,... https://maemo.org/community/wiki/PagesToDelete/ | 22:31 |
| whaq__ | Hey guys... Boot from SD: Aye\Nay? | 22:31 |
| erstazi | whaq__: some people do that | 22:31 |
| melmoth | mouahahah http://maemo.org/community/wiki/maemodrinkinggame/ | 22:32 |
| whaq__ | erstazi: why don't you then? :) | 22:32 |
| *** qgil changes topic to "maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets | Good questions deserve better answers | irc logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ | http://maemo.org/news/ login and fav! | HELP CLEANING THE WIKI ***TONIGHT*** AND GET A FREE maemo T-SHIRT!!! http://maemo.org/community/wiki/pagestodelete/" | 22:32 | |
| erstazi | whaq__: um... is this a question about the wiki or a question about booting from SD? | 22:32 |
| erstazi | melmoth: heh | 22:33 |
| whaq__ | erstazi: er.. the SD boot | 22:33 |
| erstazi | whaq__: I could but I don't desire to | 22:33 |
| whaq__ | It's supposed to be 2 times faster.. | 22:34 |
| whaq__ | lowered CPU usage.. | 22:34 |
| erstazi | whaq__: that is what people say, but I have the 770, not the n800 | 22:34 |
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| whaq__ | Doesn't the 770 get the same benefit? The extra space would be even more useful on 770's 64mb | 22:35 |
| qgil | be careful, midgard is not very good at dealing with conflicting edits | 22:35 |
| timeless | heh | 22:35 |
| erstazi | shit | 22:35 |
| erstazi | qgil: from being an svn user... I feared that | 22:35 |
| erstazi | qgil: PagesToDelete needs linked haha! | 22:36 |
| erstazi | I wonedered why they were not falling off the orphans list | 22:36 |
| qgil | from being a power user and admin of 4 different wiki engines, me too | 22:36 |
| erstazi | I will link that somewhere in http://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ | 22:36 |
| qgil | shift-reload | 22:36 |
| qgil | shift-reload | 22:37 |
| qgil | shift-reload | 22:37 |
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| erstazi | qpil: ok | 22:37 |
| qgil | (the latter is not midgard'0s fault - squid to blame) | 22:37 |
| erstazi | ok | 22:38 |
| timeless | what's w/ [d09fd0bed0bcd0bed189d18cd09dd0bed0b2d0b8d187d0bad0b0d0bc] and friends? | 22:38 |
| erstazi | maemo.org needs to use gzip compression | 22:38 |
| qgil | erstazi: I think it does | 22:38 |
| qgil | timeless: trash | 22:39 |
| qgil | you might want to pick different letters each and clean them completely (I went through A) :) | 22:40 |
| timeless | qgil: and i can kill all pages for people? | 22:40 |
| qgil | this way the chancess of stepping other's toes are smaller | 22:40 |
| qgil | timeless: definitely | 22:40 |
| erstazi | qgil: I am going from the end of the list | 22:40 |
| erstazi | timeless: I did a few but thanks for noting that | 22:41 |
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| kikka | /clear | 22:41 |
| qgil | the ones with more edits will get 2 shirts - one for each sex | 22:42 |
| melmoth | i only have 1 sex :) | 22:42 |
| qgil | we've got all sizes to choose from | 22:42 |
| erstazi | qgil: that sounds kinky | 22:42 |
| erstazi | how about Users* pages? | 22:42 |
| qgil | I can move back to 1 for everybody if you prefer | 22:42 |
| erstazi | like UserPittsburgh | 22:42 |
| qgil | erstazi: all deleted | 22:42 |
| erstazi | ok | 22:42 |
| qgil | well, you might have a friend with different XX/XY that never got anything tangible from open source software... | 22:44 |
| erstazi | heh | 22:44 |
| erstazi | I am afraid of this non-locking environment | 22:45 |
| erstazi | timeless: since you mentioned you are going to delete people's user pages... lets both gather a list that is formatted and then both inform each other for when we are going to edit | 22:46 |
| timeless | erstazi: i'm not very systematic | 22:46 |
| erstazi | ok | 22:46 |
| timeless | i'm sorta running through a middle | 22:46 |
| erstazi | ok | 22:46 |
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| erstazi | well I just don't want to be editing PagesToDelete at the same time as you or anyone else | 22:47 |
| troozers | howdo chaps n' chappettes.... | 22:47 |
| erstazi | hi troozers | 22:47 |
| troozers | anyone know where i can get "ar" for the N800? | 22:47 |
| troozers | doesn't seem to be installed by default | 22:47 |
| BenSw | wait, so how do I get this t-shirt? | 22:48 |
| erstazi | _Monkey: ar? | 22:48 |
| _Monkey | erstazi: no idea | 22:48 |
| troozers | archive tool... allows you to unpack .deb files ;) | 22:48 |
| erstazi | GNU ar | 22:48 |
| erstazi | troozers: I know what it is, I thought the bot would have that information | 22:48 |
| troozers | lol - oops sorry | 22:49 |
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| qgil | BenSw: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/pagestodelete/ | 22:49 |
| erstazi | troozers: its ok, looking for you in a second | 22:49 |
| troozers | cheers | 22:49 |
| BenSw | thanks | 22:49 |
| BenSw | so if i put a page on there i get a free t-shirt?: | 22:50 |
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| erstazi | BenSw: if it was that easy, then yes | 22:51 |
| erstazi | I think the agreement is 10 pages that are *needed* to be deleted | 22:51 |
| BenSw | I don't quite follow | 22:51 |
| BenSw | oh | 22:51 |
| BenSw | thats quite a few | 22:51 |
| erstazi | qgil: right? | 22:51 |
| qgil | BenSw: let's say that I will set a minimum tomorrow when I see how many people and how much... 1 edit looks like a bit cheap ;) | 22:51 |
| erstazi | BenSw: have you ever used mediawiki/wikipedia and edited a page? | 22:52 |
| qgil | yeah, let's say that dealing with 10 pages could be a reference | 22:52 |
| BenSw | yes | 22:52 |
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| erstazi | BenSw: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/orphans/ is all the pages needed to be linked *somewhere* appropriately | 22:52 |
| BenSw | what does said t-shirt look like? | 22:52 |
| qgil | not only deleting, the most important part here is linking good pages in the index and the WikiReorg page | 22:52 |
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| timeless | bensw: it's on a blog i didn't post yet :) | 22:52 |
| BenSw | oh, thats nice :/ | 22:53 |
| timeless | i was saving that blog post for tomorrow | 22:53 |
| qgil | bad pages orphaned is not that bad actually, since there is not easy way to reach them | 22:53 |
| erstazi | troozers: have you tried apt-get install ar | 22:53 |
| erstazi | ? | 22:53 |
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| troozers | couldnt find package ar | 22:54 |
| qgil | BenSw: http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/375 and more if you look for "guadec" in flickr | 22:54 |
| MoRpHeUz | qgil: ow...too outdated content... hehe | 22:54 |
| qgil | BenSw: I see you are doing this for the sake of the maemo.org content quality ;) | 22:54 |
| BenSw | yabv | 22:55 |
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| erstazi | timeless: are you still doing user pages? | 22:58 |
| MoRpHeUz | erstazi: I finished a lot of user pages | 22:58 |
| timeless | erstazi: i did daf a moment ago | 22:58 |
| MoRpHeUz | just a few remaining | 22:58 |
| qgil | alright, now I have to leave (time for GNOME call meeting) I hope everything is clear | 22:58 |
| timeless | but not specificly | 22:58 |
| timeless | i'm trying to figure out Glossary | 22:58 |
| timeless | which is basically a pointer to Codenames | 22:58 |
| erstazi | ah | 22:59 |
| melmoth | 10pm, good night :) | 22:59 |
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| MoRpHeUz | the hardest part will be the "how to"s | 23:00 |
| troozers | hehe - i cheated... ran 'ar' on my linux laptop and copied the results back to the n800 :P | 23:00 |
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| timeless | so um | 23:01 |
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| timeless | can someone explain how either Delete or Orphans works? | 23:01 |
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| erstazi | timeless: basically orphans are pages that are not linked anywhere | 23:01 |
| erstazi | timeless: since the normal user does not have delete abilities... we just link the page in PagesToDelete | 23:01 |
| erstazi | then someone with those abilities can | 23:02 |
| timeless | arg | 23:02 |
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| erstazi | s/abilities/permissions/ | 23:02 |
| infobot | erstazi meant: then someone with those permissions can | 23:02 |
| timeless | why isn't daf in pagestodelete? | 23:02 |
| erstazi | ?? | 23:02 |
| * timeless put it there | 23:02 | |
| erstazi | MoRpHeUz: are you on the howto page right now editing? | 23:03 |
| MoRpHeUz | erstazi: nops...just finished the "half-bottom" of names... | 23:03 |
| MoRpHeUz | (user pages) | 23:03 |
| erstazi | MoRpHeUz: awesome | 23:03 |
| MoRpHeUz | erstazi: how to's will be hard... | 23:03 |
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| erstazi | MoRpHeUz: I am working my way up from the bottom, but not the user pages | 23:04 |
| MoRpHeUz | need to test/know if the content is still valid | 23:04 |
| erstazi | MoRpHeUz: I am working on those myself | 23:04 |
| erstazi | and I cam checking them | 23:04 |
| MoRpHeUz | great! =D | 23:04 |
| MoRpHeUz | erstazi: need to do some coding here..I'll be back in a moment to wiki editing =) | 23:04 |
| erstazi | k | 23:05 |
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| erstazi | wb qgi1 | 23:18 |
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| erstazi | who edited Really outdated pages in WikiReorg? | 23:19 |
| erstazi | timeless: should WiFiLocation not be there? | 23:21 |
| timeless | in which? | 23:22 |
| erstazi | oh, we might have crossed posted | 23:22 |
| erstazi | ok nevermind | 23:22 |
| erstazi | it looks as if we did | 23:22 |
| * timeless is napping | 23:23 | |
| erstazi | timeless: I thought you removed one of my edits to WikiReorg | 23:23 |
| timeless | not intentionally :( | 23:23 |
| timeless | i was probably in a lang section for too many seconds | 23:23 |
| erstazi | timeless: oh I know, thats why I wish we could lock files, are you messing with WikiReorg right now? if so, I can stop editing there | 23:24 |
| timeless | no | 23:24 |
| timeless | i'm watching highlander :) | 23:24 |
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| erstazi | ok | 23:25 |
| erstazi | naked bums | 23:25 |
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| erstazi | qgi1: anything about porting should be a priority, I think its one of the key reasons why I bought a nokia as many others have | 23:28 |
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| erstazi | ok got a question... what is the difference between [/CompilingVariousBuildDirs] and [CompilingVariousBuildDirs] | 23:45 |
| erstazi | doing [/CompilingVariousBuildDirs] seems to be working but makes CompilingVariousBuildDirs an orphan | 23:45 |
| erstazi | which I see a lot | 23:45 |
| erstazi | any suggestions? | 23:46 |
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| erstazi | ok, [/foo] is a mediawiki thing, and honestly I do not see a difference of how it changes anything for midguard CMS... I made them all [foo] | 23:58 |
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