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| edt | how much of an improvement is the n800 over the n770? | 01:43 |
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| gomia1 | edt, quite a bit, IMO. More RAM, more internal flash, more processor power to start with. | 01:44 |
| gomia1 | Add the stereo, less weight, ability to hold up to two SD cards (cheaper than 770's MemoryStick) | 01:45 |
| gomia1 | and a webcam. | 01:45 |
| gomia1 | I miss the hard-shell cover, though | 01:45 |
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| edt | has flash perf been improved? | 01:46 |
| gomiam | it has improved a bit, on OS2007 | 01:47 |
| gomiam | now you can watch Flash video, even though the video is still a bit jerky at times. | 01:47 |
| edt | one comment I have read is that the cpu to video pipe in the n800 is lacking vs the n770 | 01:47 |
| gomiam | mmm... might be. I'm not so knowledgeable about it. I think I read of people complaining that OS2007 doesn't take advantage of the floating-point unit in N800 | 01:48 |
| gomiam | which might have been useful to get better Flash video support | 01:49 |
| edt | this was something about the chipset used on the n800 with the new processor lacks bandwidth to the lcd display | 01:49 |
| gomiam | might be. | 01:49 |
| edt | have you noticed an difference in video with the n800 (eg are some things slower than on the 770)? | 01:50 |
| gomiam | no. I didn't have a N770 for long, though, so I can't really be a reliable source of comparison :-) | 01:51 |
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| edt | gomiam it might well be true but not at all important... | 01:52 |
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| pupnik_ | i've done that too | 02:22 |
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| pupnik | i should register nicknames that are common typos of 'nickserv' | 02:23 |
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| keesj | Hi | 08:57 |
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| Prez__ | hello | 09:21 |
| Prez__ | anyone gotten an n800 to connect to a laptop via bluetooth to do networking over laptop's network? | 09:22 |
| Prez__ | this a linux laptop, btw | 09:23 |
| Prez__ | wow, 180 people, no one home? | 09:25 |
| cosmo | i don't have a n800 or a laptop with bluetooth | 09:28 |
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| Prez__ | sorry, a realize this might not be correct channel for this sorta question, maybe there is another chanel for n800 or any non developerish questions? | 09:33 |
| cosmo | i think this is a good channel for that | 09:34 |
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| Prez__ | thing is I have wired ethernet to my laptop, i´d like to use the laptop as gateway for N800 | 09:36 |
| Prez__ | i used to be able to turn my precious laptop into a wifi AP, but this new one has different chipset for wifi | 09:37 |
| Prez__ | that is previous laptop, not precious...sorry | 09:37 |
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| cosmo | i think there is something about bluetooth networking in the wiki | 09:41 |
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| timeless | cosmo: he said wifi AP, not BT | 09:51 |
| timeless | that sounds more like a problem that the laptop os vendor should help w/ | 09:52 |
| timeless | oh | 09:52 |
| timeless | hrm, no, i didn't see the earlier scrollback, sorry :( | 09:52 |
| timeless | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO-BluetoothNetworking | 09:53 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all ... | 10:29 |
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| Free_maN | hi mk8 | 10:34 |
| mk8 | Hi Free_maN | 10:34 |
| Free_maN | :) | 10:34 |
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| guardian | hello maemo | 10:52 |
| keesj | again! | 10:52 |
| unique311 | danm...who has the nick maemo | 10:52 |
| narixa | hi | 10:52 |
| unique311 | hllo | 10:52 |
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| N800 | maybe i should register that one.. | 10:53 |
| N800 | heh | 10:53 |
| N800 | ok, i'm officially a loser | 10:54 |
| keesj | :p | 10:54 |
| N800 | join the crew keesj, register 770 | 10:54 |
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| N800 | nick.. | 10:57 |
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| N800 | 770 erroneous nickname | 10:58 |
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| botux | I need to get me a real nick :P | 10:58 |
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| N800 | try | 10:59 |
| botux | ThatReallyNiceGuy | 11:00 |
| N800 | too orinal | 11:00 |
| N800 | original | 11:00 |
| inz | RemovusWrinklusFrumYourForuhead | 11:00 |
| N800 | IneededARealNickSoIchooseThisOne | 11:00 |
| narixa | rly? (: | 11:01 |
| N800 | lol | 11:01 |
| inz | ya rly | 11:01 |
| inz | o_O | 11:01 |
| narixa | no waii! :D | 11:01 |
| narixa | '- ' | 11:01 |
| botux | I_SeriouselyNeedSomeNewbieHelp | 11:02 |
| inz | CamelCaseIsForLoses...OhWait... | 11:02 |
| inz | +r | 11:02 |
| N800 | LifesAbitchAndThenYouDie | 11:02 |
| N800 | i have seriously run out of ideas for osx86 and my n800 | 11:03 |
| botux | N800: it's summer that's perhaps why | 11:04 |
| botux | at least here in amsterdam :p | 11:04 |
| N800 | i party hard in the winter... | 11:04 |
| N800 | summer i chill.... | 11:04 |
| N800 | too much trouble in nueva york.. | 11:05 |
| N800 | teh devil is out full blown in new york city... | 11:05 |
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| botux | N800: for the the big question is actualy what do I want to do on the devices | 11:07 |
| botux | I like programming , that is really all I really like to do | 11:07 |
| botux | (on computers that is) | 11:08 |
| N800 | i don't know how to program.. | 11:08 |
| N800 | i think thats my problem | 11:08 |
| pna | hi * problems to install camera on sardine | 11:08 |
| botux | So I guess I would like to program ON you | 11:08 |
| N800 | program on me | 11:09 |
| N800 | hmmmm | 11:09 |
| dpb_ | kinky | 11:09 |
| N800 | i don't know about that.. | 11:09 |
| pna | I'm tryng ti install from the deb on garage.maemo | 11:09 |
| pna | the camera 2_7 | 11:09 |
| botux | But I am happy that somebody is working on gcompris, I guess I need to spend time on that | 11:09 |
| N800 | pick up mtpaint botux... | 11:10 |
| N800 | it needs you... | 11:10 |
| N800 | heheh | 11:10 |
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| N800 | i need it.. | 11:10 |
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| botux | did you try the new image editor? | 11:11 |
| N800 | which? | 11:11 |
| N800 | xournal? | 11:11 |
| botux | Mirage | 11:12 |
| N800 | thats a photoviewer | 11:12 |
| N800 | isn't it? | 11:12 |
| botux | Yes , oops sorry | 11:13 |
| N800 | lol | 11:13 |
| N800 | image editor..same difference | 11:13 |
| N800 | i did try horizon.. | 11:13 |
| N800 | very nice...but limited.. | 11:13 |
| N800 | and has issues | 11:13 |
| botux | I liked it | 11:13 |
| N800 | i installed visual studio today.. | 11:14 |
| N800 | i installed lots of dev apps last 2 dayz.. | 11:14 |
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| N800 | not sure why...after reading some going thru some ebooks on the different languages.. | 11:15 |
| N800 | not sure i need them | 11:16 |
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| botux | N800: do you work in the embeded world? | 11:17 |
| N800 | no | 11:18 |
| N800 | I'm an artist... | 11:19 |
| N800 | fuck that could mean anything now days... | 11:19 |
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| Fatal | :D | 11:21 |
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| N800 | i don't sing or pretend to be somone i'm no...I don't get paid for doing lots of cocaine being 6,1 and weighing 140 pounds...I'm a real artist...something like a bob ross... | 11:24 |
| N800 | the part about doing the cocaine.... | 11:25 |
| N800 | ? | 11:25 |
| N800 | I would if it birth a masterpiece.... | 11:26 |
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| X-Fade_ | N800: Do you create art on your N800? :) | 11:30 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:31 |
| N800 | yes i do... | 11:32 |
| N800 | but am limited to a small screen... | 11:32 |
| N800 | i was using smaller...i have a ppc6700 that I made some real nice stuff on.. | 11:32 |
| X-Fade | N800: Do you have some of your work online? | 11:36 |
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| N800 | http://unique11210.googlepages.com/monthly0.html | 11:38 |
| N800 | i have that | 11:38 |
| N800 | very proud of it.. | 11:38 |
| N800 | cause if you look close you can see its a bunch of lines... | 11:38 |
| N800 | knowing the size of the device i did it on.. | 11:38 |
| N800 | I have paintings.... | 11:39 |
| N800 | lots of blackbook works... | 11:40 |
| timeless | ping | 11:40 |
| timeless | is anyone here familiar w/ /proc/cpuinfo? | 11:41 |
| N800 | I'll update that page with something i do on the N800 | 11:41 |
| N800 | i think i have something.. | 11:41 |
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| N800 | X-fade you draw.... | 11:43 |
| zuh | timeless: What of it? | 11:44 |
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| timeless | i'm wondering how standardized its output is | 11:48 |
| timeless | timeless@boffo:~$ grep -E '^model name\W*:.*Katmai' /proc/cpuinfo | 11:48 |
| timeless | model name : Pentium III (Katmai) | 11:48 |
| timeless | can i be assured that my search for something like that will always do something like i want? | 11:48 |
| timeless | is a token like 'model name' ever going to change its spelling, flavor, etc? | 11:49 |
| timeless | do I need to do LC_ALL=C before doing cat /proc/cpuinfo? | 11:49 |
| timeless | will the : ever become some other marker? ... | 11:50 |
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| * timeless sighs | 11:51 | |
| zuh | "always" is a bit strong word here... :) | 11:52 |
| X-Fade | N800: Sorry, I was away from the keyboard. | 11:53 |
| N800 | np | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | N800: Nice one.. As you are drawing on a low res device.. | 11:53 |
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| X-Fade | N800 at least has a higher resolution.. 800x480. | 11:54 |
| N800 | yes | 11:54 |
| N800 | can take advantage of that in fullscreen... | 11:54 |
| N800 | the drawing app i used for the ppc is called vaspaint... | 11:55 |
| N800 | lots of usefull tools.. | 11:55 |
| N800 | i get the same from mtpaint. | 11:55 |
| N800 | http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/unique311/?action=view¤t=Budn800screen.jpg | 11:56 |
| N800 | thats from mtpaint on the n800 | 11:56 |
| N800 | which is not. bad....could be better.... | 11:57 |
| Okko_ | timeless: There can be multiple "model name" rows at least. I have 2 processors and it shows them both. | 11:57 |
| X-Fade | N800: Yeah, you would need a full screen app. | 11:58 |
| N800 | the screenshot is from mtpaint also..theirs a feature to take screens with it... | 11:59 |
| N800 | not a bad app at all.. | 11:59 |
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| timeless | okko: i have 2 processors too, not particularly worried about that | 12:04 |
| timeless | i'm actually looking for: system type : EE PS2 | 12:04 |
| timeless | and i'm hoping that I won't encounter a computer w/ different flavors of MIPS :) | 12:04 |
| Okko_ | timeless: my PC doesn't give system type at all | 12:08 |
| * timeless nods | 12:08 | |
| timeless | nor do any of mine | 12:08 |
| Okko_ | ok :) | 12:09 |
| timeless | which is part of the reason that i'm very worried about writing a patch | 12:09 |
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| timeless | ... while (fgets(buf, 256, f)) { - if ( (strstr(buf, "system type\t\t: ") == buf) ... Unfortunately the format of /proc/cpuinfo is not standardized. ... | 12:14 |
| timeless | www.ssl.berkeley.edu/pipermail/boinc_cvs/2006-June/009274.html - 11k - | 12:14 |
| timeless | that's so reassuring | 12:14 |
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| jkyro | hello | 12:33 |
| jkyro | any .install file wizards around? | 12:33 |
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| jkyro | is it possible to specify multiple repositories | 12:34 |
| jkyro | I have difficulties accessing the maemo website... | 12:34 |
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| inz | jkyro, the app installer documentation says it is possible, but it isn't | 12:37 |
| inz | jkyro, it might be in svn, but not in the version currently shipped | 12:37 |
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| jkyro | ok, so the options are either to copy the depended packages over or perform some other ugliness... | 12:38 |
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| jkyro | thanks for the quick reply | 12:41 |
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| zuh | Even though development in the open is a good thing, this also brings frustration when it advances lightyears ahead of (non-open) sw releases. It's like: "Hey, here's [candy feature]. Oh, you need to wait for a release where it is to be able to use it. And no, nobody can say when it's coming since it's company s3kr1ts." | 12:47 |
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| Jaffa | zuh: true | 12:50 |
| zuh | And it's of course worse when it applies to bugs too | 12:50 |
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| Gathaja | would someone know what I'm doing wrong when scratchbox says "You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first" when I try to switch from X86 to ARMEL | 14:04 |
| Gathaja | it works one time and after that only that error until reboot | 14:05 |
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| dpb | you need to kill all the processes you've started inside scratchbox | 14:06 |
| Gathaja | oh | 14:08 |
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| Gathaja | stupid me :) | 14:10 |
| Gathaja | thanks | 14:10 |
| dpb | np | 14:13 |
| konttori_ | Hi all! | 14:15 |
| * konttori_ just released ukmp 1.0 (for real!) | 14:15 | |
| konttori_ | demonstration video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCIANUJ-ctg | 14:15 |
| konttori_ | debian here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1491/UKMP-1.0.deb | 14:16 |
| konttori_ | (you need to have python installed) | 14:16 |
| konttori_ | if you don't have python, install from here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1182/python2.4-runtime.install | 14:16 |
| konttori_ | Comments thread in here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=50157#post50157 | 14:20 |
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| melmoth | ben c est juste un pub . | 14:30 |
| melmoth | oups | 14:30 |
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| i-nZ | I just updated my n800 with latest libgtk/glib and now it won't boot | 15:07 |
| i-nZ | 0_0 | 15:07 |
| i-nZ | latest as in the ones from the Repositories wiki page | 15:08 |
| i-nZ | for 2007 | 15:08 |
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| i-nZ | what the hell | 15:11 |
| i-nZ | libgtk 2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1 | 15:12 |
| i-nZ | ?! | 15:12 |
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| ian_brasil_ | any news on the repository situation? | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | i-nZ: How did _that_ gtk end up on your device? :) | 15:18 |
| i-nZ | repos | 15:18 |
| i-nZ | as I already told you | 15:18 |
| i-nZ | it is in the repos | 15:18 |
| i-nZ | i will kill the one who put it there | 15:18 |
| i-nZ | can someone tell me how to downgraden now | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | i-nZ: Do you have a dualboot setup? | 15:19 |
| i-nZ | no | 15:19 |
| i-nZ | please help me | 15:20 |
| i-nZ | how to use apt-get to downgrade | 15:20 |
| i-nZ | I am in ssh | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | Ah, you can still connect to it? | 15:20 |
| i-nZ | libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1) but 2:2.6.10-2.osso30 is to be installed | 15:20 |
| robtaylor | i-nZ: apt-get install $package=$version | 15:20 |
| i-nZ | Yeah i can. but the OS doesn't load | 15:20 |
| i-nZ | ah = | 15:20 |
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| i-nZ | libgtk2.0-0 is already the newest version. | 15:21 |
| i-nZ | :| | 15:21 |
| i-nZ | apt-get install libgtk2.0-0=2:2.6.10-2.osso30 | 15:21 |
| i-nZ | apt-get upgrade libgtk2.0-0=2:2.6.10-2.osso30 | 15:22 |
| i-nZ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 15:22 |
| i-nZ | now what? | 15:22 |
| i-nZ | why doesn't apt-get have query command | 15:22 |
| i-nZ | ARGH | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.1/free/binary/libgtk2.0-bin_2.6.10-2.osso30_armel.deb | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | You can download and install that with dpkg? | 15:23 |
| i-nZ | i have that repository added | 15:23 |
| i-nZ | okay | 15:23 |
| i-nZ | i think I also have libglib ubuntu installed | 15:23 |
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| X-Fade | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.1/free/binary/libglib2.0-0_2.8.6-1osso11_armel.deb | 15:25 |
| i-nZ | thanks | 15:25 |
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| i-nZ | now how can I query where is the ubuntu package? | 15:26 |
| * i-nZ thinks he will install smart | 15:26 | |
| X-Fade | i-nZ: Just apt-get upgrade and use the download only option? | 15:26 |
| i-nZ | let's see if the device will load maemo at all | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | That way you can see where it fetches the fike.. | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | *file | 15:27 |
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| mateus | hi all | 15:28 |
| i-nZ | wtf | 15:28 |
| i-nZ | now it loops infinetly in loading | 15:28 |
| i-nZ | and I can no longer ssh | 15:29 |
| i-nZ | 0_0 | 15:29 |
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| X-Fade | i-nZ: Hmm then it probably updated another package too.. | 15:30 |
| i-nZ | sys-magic | 15:31 |
| i-nZ | glib gtk and iptables afair | 15:31 |
| i-nZ | busybox too | 15:31 |
| i-nZ | now i am completly screwed | 15:32 |
| * i-nZ cries | 15:32 | |
| konttori | Blog entry for the ukmp 1.0 launch: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/05/ukmp-10-outhttpwwwbloggercomimggllinkgi.html | 15:34 |
| i-nZ | btw what is the license of corola corona or whatever it is spelled | 15:34 |
| zuh | canola? | 15:34 |
| i-nZ | yes | 15:34 |
| zuh | Dunno, but it's closed anyway | 15:35 |
| i-nZ | right closed | 15:35 |
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| i-nZ | i am going to flash the device | 15:36 |
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| ian_brasil_ | the release upload on garage.maemo.org does not seem to work for me | 15:39 |
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| guardian | is this supposed to work: from my workstation i'm going to downloads.maemo.org, on the right side bar, i select "IT OS 2007" then click fetch and there are still IT OS 2006 only packages displayed | 15:43 |
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| ian_brasil_ | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/admin/qrs.php is not working | 15:48 |
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| i-nZ | i can't seem to get the nokia flashed | 15:51 |
| i-nZ | http://pastebin.ca/522471 | 15:51 |
| i-nZ | just prints that but i don't see any flashing activity | 15:52 |
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| i-nZ | ideas? | 15:53 |
| i-nZ | ops | 15:53 |
| i-nZ | missed the -F | 15:54 |
| i-nZ | i am going to kill the guy who placed ubuntu packages in the maemo repo | 15:55 |
| plaes | ugh, really? | 15:57 |
| plaes | I mean the packages part... | 15:57 |
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| Free_maN | help me :( don't arrived to install new modull cx3110 for n770 | 16:11 |
| part | i-nZ: uh, what packages? | 16:11 |
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| Free_maN | rmmod cx3110x | 16:12 |
| i-nZ | libgtk and libglib | 16:12 |
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| Free_maN | insmod cx3110x_mt ==> no such device | 16:12 |
| Free_maN | :( | 16:12 |
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| part | i-nZ: which repo? | 16:13 |
| i-nZ | i don't know which one it was | 16:13 |
| i-nZ | one of those for 2007 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories/ | 16:13 |
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| part | i-nZ: looks like it would be http://repository.nrcc.noklab.com/ | 16:15 |
| i-nZ | yes it looks like | 16:16 |
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| part | maybe that should be removed from the list | 16:19 |
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| i-nZ | the eko and tortoise are dead links too | 16:21 |
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| pna | hi * tryng build pack for the latest trunk version of hildon-desktop 0.0.15 but when I launch dpkg-builpackage i got an: | 17:01 |
| pna | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libxcomposite-dev | 17:01 |
| pna | anyway i don't find the libcomposite in sardine nor any other repo | 17:02 |
| pna | s/libcomposite/libxcomposite-dev | 17:03 |
| pna | but when i go with an dpkg-buildpackage -d -rfakeroot everything goes smooth | 17:04 |
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| pna | so whats wrong with /me? well nothing just to know what is that lixcomposite | 17:05 |
| pna | ls | 17:06 |
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| zuh | pna: libxcomposite is the interface library for the Composite extension. I guess hildon-desktop only optionally uses it so ignoring the build dependancy causes no harm (the feature is just automatically disabled in the configure script) | 17:29 |
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| i-nZ | Do you know if SD cards have high impact on battery life? | 17:34 |
| i-nZ | and what if I use an SD card to increase the virtual memory? | 17:34 |
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| mgedmin | do you often run out of memory? | 17:35 |
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| i-nZ | Well I have had this device for a couple of days only | 17:35 |
| mgedmin | I'd say the 64 megs of the 770 is not enough, but the 128 megs of the n800 so far has been plenty for my use cases | 17:36 |
| i-nZ | mhm | 17:36 |
| guardian | ah its cool | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | I suggets a memory monitor statusbar applet (load-applet or osso-statusbar-cpu) | 17:36 |
| guardian | i installed remote desktop | 17:36 |
| guardian | works smoothly, only pb is that i can't enter any text :) | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | guardian: I've heard that rdesktop has that problem | 17:36 |
| i-nZ | so what about the impact on battery life? | 17:36 |
| mgedmin | windows has its own on-screen keyboard, doesn't it? | 17:37 |
| * mgedmin has no idea about SD card impact on battery life | 17:37 | |
| * mgedmin charges his n800 once a day, and uses it heavily for reading e-books | 17:37 | |
| i-nZ | i will be flying on sunday and just ripped some of my dvds | 17:37 |
| mgedmin | the battery lasts 5-6 hours when offline and reading with fbreader | 17:37 |
| i-nZ | to watch :) | 17:37 |
| i-nZ | mhm | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | maybe more, I've never measured it accurately | 17:38 |
| i-nZ | i just put 2x 2gb cards in :) | 17:38 |
| i-nZ | maybe a bit excessive | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | I have one 4gb card | 17:38 |
| * zuh has 4Gig+the original | 17:38 | |
| mgedmin | it still has 1 gig free | 17:38 |
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| mgedmin | I had another 512 meg in the other slot, but it suddenly died on me | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | I didn't know SD cards could just up and die with no prior warning | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | it's not readable with a USB SD reader either | 17:39 |
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| guardian | mgedmin: well i could install handwriting recognition on the windows pc i'm accessing through remote desktop :) | 17:40 |
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| i-nZ | I am quite intreguied to see how much the battery will last for watching a movie | 17:41 |
| i-nZ | :)) | 17:41 |
| i-nZ | what software do you use to convert .docs etc to something that you can nicely read? | 17:43 |
| melmoth | i dont use .doc :) | 17:43 |
| melmoth | but you may print them in a file | 17:43 |
| melmoth | so you have a postscript file , and from them ps2pdf | 17:43 |
| mgedmin | isn't there an abiword port for maemo? | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | it ought to be able to read .doc files | 17:44 |
| * mgedmin isn't very interested, /me doesn't use .doc either | 17:44 | |
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| i-nZ | there is for n770 | 17:45 |
| etrunko | mgedmin: the abiword port is quite unstable | 17:45 |
| i-nZ | well doc/odt | 17:45 |
| etrunko | doesn't worth a try | 17:45 |
| etrunko | not yet | 17:45 |
| i-nZ | pdf reading isn't very pleasant | 17:45 |
| i-nZ | the built-in reader in n800 can't scroll with a shortcut | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | i-nZ, what do you mean by that? | 17:46 |
| zuh | i-nZ: Use evince | 17:46 |
| i-nZ | and there is no word wrapping | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | yeah, no word-wrapping | 17:46 |
| i-nZ | evince is a bit slow and seems to put a lot of load on the cpu when antialiasing the text | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | so the fonts get pretty tiny | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | other than that it's not too bad | 17:46 |
| i-nZ | so it drains the battery more i suppose | 17:46 |
| i-nZ | fbreader is cute but doesn't handle large stuff | 17:47 |
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| mgedmin | I last tried evince on the 770, and it ate up all the memory after rendering 3 or 4 pages | 17:47 |
| i-nZ | i have 1200 pages rtf and txt | 17:47 |
| i-nZ | refuses to load | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | oh? | 17:47 |
| zuh | i-nZ: But it isn't as braindead to use as the orig. pdf viewer | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | I'm surprised | 17:47 |
| i-nZ | i ended up using html to read that | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | fbreader hasn't choked up on any file yet | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | although it had some problems with some rtf files (missing sentences, that kind of thing) | 17:48 |
| mgedmin | I finally discovered it didn't like a \* | 17:48 |
| i-nZ | i had encoding problems with rtf | 17:48 |
| guardian | is it me or maemo.org is slow ? | 17:48 |
| i-nZ | yes it is | 17:48 |
| guardian | ok | 17:48 |
| guardian | i won't blame it then :D | 17:48 |
| etrunko | as usual | 17:48 |
| i-nZ | google cache helps | 17:48 |
| i-nZ | :) | 17:48 |
| guardian | seems that migration to midgard is not a smooth process :/ | 17:49 |
| i-nZ | so at the end of the day if I want to read documents i have on my desktop PC i don't get much choice | 17:49 |
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| i-nZ | can I get gcc on the device ? :P | 17:52 |
| i-nZ | on the nokia n800 | 17:52 |
| melmoth | i-nZ: why ? | 17:53 |
| melmoth | (note that i dont know the anwser :) ) | 17:53 |
| melmoth | i compile stuff on scratchbox | 17:53 |
| i-nZ | i dunno not to feel deprived :)) | 17:53 |
| melmoth | scratchbox | 17:54 |
| i-nZ | i am so confused with this debian stuff still | 17:54 |
| melmoth | plus it s faster | 17:54 |
| i-nZ | that's for sure | 17:54 |
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| zuh | umm... | 18:54 |
| zuh | Could someone stop that nick toggling from happening? | 18:54 |
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| zuh | Either Pr3dS|Phgre, Phoenigore or anyone with teh Powa to do so the less friendly way... | 18:55 |
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| `0660 | Phoenigore, why do you change your nick all the time? | 18:56 |
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| `0660 | hmm, it seems to happen every 5 minutes. the actual person might not be aware of it | 18:57 |
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| Aleksandyr | note to self: learn irssi | 19:00 |
| Aleksandyr | anyone happen to know the kline command? :) | 19:00 |
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| Nostferka | Aircrack for palm? | 19:09 |
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| c0ffee | now that are interesting nicks, thanks for sharing | 19:25 |
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| defor^work | hello | 20:06 |
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| Aleksandyr | little too quiet in here | 21:04 |
| * Sulis drops a pin | 21:04 | |
| Aleksandyr | *cricket* | 21:04 |
| Sulis | *tumbleweed* | 21:04 |
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| Aleksandyr | I mean, we have working Java now | 21:05 |
| Aleksandyr | I figured that'd be good for some talking =/ | 21:05 |
| guardian | geez | 21:06 |
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| guardian | java :) welcome to 1999 | 21:06 |
| i-nZ | java huh | 21:06 |
| i-nZ | who needs java when there is mono | 21:06 |
| i-nZ | *c#/mono | 21:06 |
| Aleksandyr | guardian: yeah, I know :) | 21:07 |
| guardian | i would say, isn't mono worthless now that java is open source ? | 21:07 |
| guardian | reinventing another wheel that in the end is the same | 21:07 |
| Aleksandyr | the next-gen Microsoft VMs look pretty interesting | 21:07 |
| Aleksandyr | I will say | 21:07 |
| Aleksandyr | J2ME is kind of perfect for the N800, imnho. | 21:07 |
| guardian | at least it keeps people busy | 21:08 |
| gla55_ | personal profile would be better | 21:08 |
| Aleksandyr | no .NET equivalent really exists (.NET CF doesn't count) | 21:08 |
| Aleksandyr | we have personal profile now :) | 21:08 |
| gla55_ | we do?? | 21:08 |
| Aleksandyr | well, we have basis, which is allegedly a superset of personal | 21:08 |
| gla55_ | great | 21:08 |
| guardian | what's the avantage of using garage compared to my own server space ? | 21:08 |
| Aleksandyr | guardian: lots more traffic/publicity on garage | 21:09 |
| guardian | i don't look for fame | 21:09 |
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| Aleksandyr | it's not fame, but it'd be easier to find your stuff on garage | 21:10 |
| Aleksandyr | plus, if it's on garage, I imagine getting it in to extras is easier | 21:10 |
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| Milhouse2 | maemo.org... down? | 22:37 |
| Sulis | not here | 22:38 |
| unique311 | no | 22:38 |
| Milhouse2 | planet seemed to disappear for a bit - back now. | 22:38 |
| unique311 | works here also | 22:38 |
| Milhouse2 | (thanks) | 22:38 |
| Milhouse2 | I just wanted to see if there was any comment on the Palm Foleo - what an odd device! | 22:39 |
| Milhouse2 | Those guys better take another hit... | 22:39 |
| Sulis | what is that? | 22:39 |
| Milhouse2 | New Palm device | 22:39 |
| Milhouse2 | http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9436/palm-officially-introduces-the-foleo/ | 22:40 |
| Milhouse2 | A "Smartphone Companion" | 22:40 |
| unique311 | i just checked that out.. | 22:40 |
| unique311 | what a co en ki denk | 22:40 |
| i-nZ | looks like a laptop to me | 22:40 |
| i-nZ | huh | 22:40 |
| unique311 | its a palmtop | 22:40 |
| melmoth | indeeed | 22:40 |
| unique311 | hehehe | 22:40 |
| Alowishus | I say it's the N800 but in a bigger form that makes it useless | 22:40 |
| Milhouse2 | 10" screen, 2lb weight, no touchscreen, 1024x800 screen, WiFi, BT... it's a laptop! | 22:40 |
| melmoth | * Linux OS for easy application development | 22:41 |
| Milhouse2 | Palm Fanboys have already dubbed it the "Fooleo"... I think they may be right | 22:41 |
| Sulis | yeah, it is a laptop, although a fairly compact one | 22:41 |
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| Milhouse2 | compact for sure, but big enough to be compared directly with a laptop where it will probably be slated | 22:42 |
| unique311 | theirs also a video of the founder talking avout it.. | 22:42 |
| Milhouse2 | probably == should be | 22:42 |
| unique311 | and its small.. | 22:42 |
| unique311 | looks like that little compact sony vaio...that i still want but can't afford... | 22:42 |
| Milhouse2 | unique311 - I watched it, and felt embarassed | 22:42 |
| Sulis | unique311: i think the one that you're refering to is smaller than that... | 22:43 |
| Milhouse2 | If Palm had come up with something using the N800 form factor they might have been on to something but this... this is what took them five years??? Perhaps they should have revised the form factor at some point during the last couple of years | 22:43 |
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| konttori | Hey, is it possible to create an .install file without a repo? | 22:44 |
| Sulis | at one point i wanted to get one of the 10" ibooks | 22:44 |
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| konttori | Like just contain a link to the .deb file | 22:44 |
| Sulis | konttori: why would you want to do that? | 22:45 |
| melmoth | konttori: not that i am aware of, but you can make a really simple repository with 1 directory, and 1 deb inside | 22:45 |
| konttori | So that I can use a garage account | 22:45 |
| koos | hi, would a dbus question appropriate here? | 22:45 |
| melmoth | koos: i guess so as long as it s maemo related . | 22:46 |
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| melmoth | just for the record, i m clueless for any dbus and lib osso stuff :( | 22:46 |
| Sulis | there's a | 22:46 |
| Sulis | ahem | 22:46 |
| Sulis | there's a channel called #dbus on this network where all the d-bus devs hang out | 22:47 |
| koos | melmoth, sulis: ok, I go there .. | 22:47 |
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| Sulis | :( i didn't mean to tell him to go away | 22:48 |
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| ||cw | Sulis: some people don't understand that you can be in more than one channel | 22:49 |
| konttori | melmoth: but that would require a dir named build, right? | 22:49 |
| melmoth | not necessarily | 22:49 |
| melmoth | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto | 22:49 |
| melmoth | the main stuff is the dpkg-scanpackages utilitiThat creates Packages.gz | 22:50 |
| melmoth | konttori: another issue is also that the web server where the .install file is located must tell it s a specific mime type | 22:51 |
| konttori | Ok, but I still can't use garage folders, as then users would have one repo for every release they DL. = not nice | 22:51 |
| melmoth | otherwise, the browser will just display it | 22:51 |
| i-nZ | why oh why debian why oh why | 22:51 |
| i-nZ | now i have to learn a new system | 22:51 |
| melmoth | this is not a debian issue, this is a maemo one (hte .install file) | 22:51 |
| i-nZ | i am moaning in general | 22:52 |
| i-nZ | for the nokia n800 | 22:52 |
| Aleksandyr | my ability to complain about the debian package system is sharply constrained by how well it works :) | 22:52 |
| melmoth | konttori: if i understand correclty , if your app is mature enough you can have it hosted on extra | 22:52 |
| konttori | Yeah | 22:52 |
| konttori | Really? | 22:52 |
| konttori | How? | 22:52 |
| melmoth | wait | 22:52 |
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| melmoth | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ExtrasRepository | 22:53 |
| konttori | There is an example video of the ukmp app in here: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/05/ukmp-10-outhttpwwwbloggercomimggllinkgi.html | 22:53 |
| konttori | sweet! thank you! | 22:53 |
| Aleksandyr | konttori: dark skin reminds me of today's surface demo :) | 22:53 |
| * Aleksandyr dreams of a multitouch driver for the N800. | 22:53 | |
| konttori | what surface demo? | 22:54 |
| Aleksandyr | Microsoft Surface? | 22:54 |
| Aleksandyr | it's the iTable | 22:54 |
| konttori | Haven't seen it yet. watching now | 22:54 |
| konttori | Is it possible HW wise to have multitouch in maemo? | 22:55 |
| konttori | I mean for 770 / N800? | 22:55 |
| unique311 | konttori...you build the media player using visual basic? | 22:55 |
| Aleksandyr | I assume that whatever lets thumb-detection work | 22:55 |
| konttori | Nope, with python | 22:55 |
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| unique311 | ok | 22:55 |
| Aleksandyr | could be modified to do basic multi-touch detection | 22:55 |
| unique311 | How are you with C++? | 22:55 |
| Aleksandyr | I mean, assuming the touchpad works the way I expect it does | 22:56 |
| Sulis | so that you could have some gestures or something? | 22:56 |
| Sulis | that would be cool | 22:56 |
| konttori | unique311: Haven't coded it much lately. Should be ok. | 22:56 |
| xan | daniel stone said it's impossible iirc, search maemo-developers archives | 22:56 |
| Aleksandyr | xan, I imagine there's a controller in between me and the raw touchpad resistance values | 22:56 |
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| Aleksandyr | I'd rather see PowerVR drivers first, of course :) | 22:58 |
| Sulis | PowerVR? | 22:58 |
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| Aleksandyr | the N800 sports a PowerVR MBX accelerator | 22:58 |
| konttori | Nokia did hint that they were in discussions about the powervr. | 22:59 |
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| Aleksandyr | fyi, the powervr mbx is what allows the N95 to play 640x480 MPEG4 at 30fps | 23:00 |
| xan | Aleksandyr, as far as I remember the HW simply can't give you more than one pressure point at the same time, but as I said I'm only quoting from memory | 23:00 |
| Sulis | ooo, 3d chip in the n800? | 23:00 |
| Aleksandyr | xan, makes sense, who would ever want multiple pressure point data =/ | 23:00 |
| * Aleksandyr is digging through the archives anyways for form's sake. | 23:00 | |
| konttori | xan: I'm remembering the same thing. | 23:00 |
| xan | Aleksandyr, I suppose it's simply more expensive to do :) | 23:01 |
| konttori | I think the design of multi | 23:01 |
| konttori | Ups | 23:01 |
| Gathaja | /whois konttori | 23:01 |
| Aleksandyr | xan, not only that, but there's all sorts of event models that expect one point at a time | 23:01 |
| Gathaja | ups :P | 23:01 |
| konttori | ;) | 23:01 |
| konttori | good one! | 23:02 |
| Gathaja | :D | 23:02 |
| Aleksandyr | is thumb mode simply a pressure-based option? I've never really used it | 23:02 |
| Gathaja | damn spacebar | 23:02 |
| Sulis | hehe | 23:02 |
| konttori | I wonder how many patents microsoft has already aplied for on the surface project. | 23:03 |
| Aleksandyr | I'm confused as to how they didn't step on the iPhone | 23:03 |
| Sulis | how could they do that? | 23:03 |
| Aleksandyr | then again, a multi-touch surface is a pretty obvious generalization. | 23:03 |
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| Sulis | Aleksandyr: obvious to techy geek types :P | 23:05 |
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| konttori | can there be any other point for the 'surface' demo than to let investors know microsoft is 'on top of the game' and letting investors know of new patents? I mean have they told any concrete examples of use (like... say apple has done on the iphone) | 23:07 |
| Aleksandyr | it is a bit of shilling for the press | 23:07 |
| Milhouse2 | apprently it's targetted at restaurants... not expecting it to appear in my local chinese anytime soon | 23:08 |
| Aleksandyr | but it's an honest-to-goodness way to expand computing into the living room | 23:08 |
| Milhouse2 | also, i'm not really sure i want to slide my fingers all over a surface in a public space... i don't suppose Bill thought of the hygiene issues here | 23:09 |
| Sulis | konttori: i'm just thinking of the desk that the head guy had in "The Island" | 23:09 |
| Sulis | Milhouse2: probably better than a public keyboard | 23:09 |
| Milhouse2 | Sulis - fair point | 23:09 |
| konttori | Sulis: oh yeah. that was pretty cool | 23:09 |
| Aleksandyr | Milhouse2: better than a keyboard (damn you Sulis:) and antibiotic plastic surfaces are an easy trick | 23:09 |
| Aleksandyr | pfft I'm thinking LCARS all the way | 23:09 |
| Milhouse2 | but I don't often use public keyboard, whereas the surface may become more common place (though I doubt it) | 23:09 |
| Sulis | LCARS ooo, good point | 23:10 |
| konttori | I don't think that's a very real life example. I mean, viable real life example. Except for a few korean and taiwanese cafes | 23:10 |
| Milhouse2 | Is BillG a Trekie? :) | 23:10 |
| Milhouse2 | honestly, restaurants is one of the use cases (read it somewhere - BBC?) | 23:10 |
| Sulis | lol, he's like one of the high priests of the temple of nerd! | 23:11 |
| Milhouse2 | "Also designed to interact with mobile phones placed on the surface, Microsoft says it will initially sell the unit to corporate customers. | 23:11 |
| Milhouse2 | These will include hotels, casinos, phone stores and restaurants." | 23:11 |
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| Milhouse2 | (c) BBC | 23:11 |
| Milhouse2 | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6703249.stm | 23:11 |
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| Milhouse2 | Surface - the new TabletPC... | 23:12 |
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| Aleksandyr | I'm an HCI geek. What can I say. | 23:15 |
| sp3000 | http://users.on.net/~disko/touchbsod.jpg | 23:15 |
| Aleksandyr | LCARS + Surface = http://databsod.ytmnd.com/ | 23:15 |
| Milhouse2 | Going OT, why haven't Nokia released any devices that charge using inductive coupling? ie. Splashpower? | 23:16 |
| Milhouse2 | you just put your phone down on a plate and it begins charging | 23:17 |
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| Aleksandyr | inductive coupling has massive, massive, issues, I thought? | 23:17 |
| konttori | I think it would cost more than the current rechargers. | 23:17 |
| Aleksandyr | I've got an inductively charged electric toothbrush, and it positively glows after a long enough charging session | 23:18 |
| Milhouse2 | I thought the issues were solved, there's at least two companies selling it. Don't know the cost, but I suppose it might be expensive to start with (as Bluetooth was initially) | 23:18 |
| Aleksandyr | my electrical engineering and electrophysics classes suggest differently :) | 23:19 |
| Milhouse2 | Given the convenience factor, and the ability to use a single plate for many devices (ie. actually save on adapters) I'd say it had legs even if there is a cost.. | 23:19 |
| konttori | By the way, did you guys test out the ukmp 1.0 already? If so, any comments? | 23:19 |
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| Milhouse2 | Well Splashpower reckon they've cracked it, and some other US company too | 23:20 |
| Sulis | heh, but knowing all the companies that are making devices, you'd need to have about 10 different plates | 23:20 |
| Milhouse2 | Right, but that's where the oppurtunity lies in enforcing a standard while the market is still small | 23:20 |
| Milhouse2 | I only know of two players | 23:20 |
| Sulis | yeah, also like bluetooth | 23:20 |
| Sulis | ...i gues | 23:21 |
| Sulis | s | 23:21 |
| konttori | Milhouse2: Have a look at the screenshot and video here: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/05/ukmp-10-outhttpwwwbloggercomimggllinkgi.html | 23:21 |
| Milhouse2 | I guess it will need someone big like Nokia to get the ball rolling | 23:21 |
| konttori | Oh, you meant like market players ;) | 23:22 |
| Milhouse2 | kontorri - checking... | 23:22 |
| Milhouse2 | two players pushing inductive coupling technology - but it will need a big device supplier to get their wares into the market and get it noticed | 23:22 |
| Milhouse2 | then everyone will say "hey wow, this is really cool... why aren't Motorola offering this?" | 23:23 |
| konttori | I think Nokia follows it's previous market strategy to not to be the first in the trenches. They do take part in designing stuff, in the standards comities, but they seldom try something as a market first | 23:23 |
| Milhouse2 | etc. | 23:23 |
| Milhouse2 | Internet Tablets? | 23:23 |
| konttori | But yea, maybe they could try out the water with some luxury model. | 23:24 |
| Sulis | iternet tablets are more of a fork than something new | 23:24 |
| konttori | I still have problem understanding that nokia actually made the internet tablets | 23:24 |
| Milhouse2 | I actually meant they were first in the trenches with the Internet Tablets, however I suppose you might mean they fear backing the wrong technology (ie. backing Betamax and the world backs VHS) | 23:24 |
| konttori | Well, I mean that they didn't endorse the clam phone model until everyone was doing it, they didn't go for thin models until everyone was doing it and so on. | 23:26 |
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| i-nZ | has someone ever tried those laser projection keyboards? | 23:30 |
| Milhouse2 | some people have... they seem to work ok with 770/n800 | 23:31 |
| konttori | I've heard that they don't work at all | 23:31 |
| i-nZ | I guess they work *only* on flat surface | 23:31 |
| konttori | and even the it's one finger at a time tapping. | 23:31 |
| roope | Hm. | 23:31 |
| konttori | From what I've understood, it's a nice concept but doesn't work yet | 23:31 |
| roope | I've tried laser projection keyboards. They're not really good, frankly. | 23:31 |
| i-nZ | mkey | 23:32 |
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| i-nZ | unfortunatly BT kbs are quite expensive | 23:32 |
| i-nZ | : | 23:32 |
| i-nZ | :/ | 23:32 |
| Milhouse2 | not so hot on glass tables - probably wouldn't work so well on the Microsoft Surface... ;) | 23:32 |
| roope | Try tapping on your table surface for five minutes, you'll feel the problem. :) | 23:32 |
| konttori | just buy a foldable kb. they are probably 100$ | 23:32 |
| roope | Plus there is the problem of having to lift up your finger after each stroke. | 23:32 |
| roope | People learn to type things like ee without lifting your finger. the laser keyboard sees "e", not "ee". | 23:33 |
| roope | Surface is kind of interesting. It's mostly exactly like seen a year or so ago already, but there's some new concepts. | 23:33 |
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| konttori | roope: did you already have a look at the ukmp video? I would love to hear some comments / critic from you. | 23:34 |
| roope | Relating to putting your device on there and interacting with it. | 23:34 |
| * konttori bows to the UI god | 23:34 | |
| roope | let's see. :) | 23:34 |
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| konttori | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/05/ukmp-10-outhttpwwwbloggercomimggllinkgi.html | 23:34 |
| Sulis | i don't like the idea that the surface has to use a camera...it just seems...nasty | 23:34 |
| konttori | Sulis: is MS surface using a cam? | 23:35 |
| Sulis | yeah | 23:35 |
| roope | Almost all of the multitouch solutions are using a cam. | 23:35 |
| i-nZ | talking about keyboards, is there a word processor I can use if I get one ? | 23:36 |
| i-nZ | :) | 23:36 |
| konttori | at least the iphone implementation was based on a pressure layer that interacts with light coming from the sides. I wondr why surface isn't using something like that | 23:36 |
| roope | Big screen ones, that is. | 23:36 |
| sp3000 | konttori: outhttpwwwbloggercomimggllinkgi? heh | 23:36 |
| konttori | Yeah, that's probably cost effective | 23:36 |
| konttori | yeah. I know. I messed up the post | 23:36 |
| Aleksandyr | konttori: patents. :) | 23:37 |
| konttori | And can't fix it anymore. Posted it too many times. I didn't notice that at first | 23:37 |
| konttori | true | 23:37 |
| roope | konttori: i think that's the nicest media player in maemo currently. :) Canola may have a bit more eyecandy, but it's also slower to use. | 23:38 |
| konttori | Really? do you think so? | 23:38 |
| k-s[WORK] | roope: yes, ukmp is simpler | 23:38 |
| roope | was there any playlist functions there? or did you plan some? enqueue some albums up? | 23:38 |
| roope | of course yours relies quite heavily on like full albums... with album art. | 23:39 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: you should do some tricks to make it load faster | 23:39 |
| konttori | I was planning to add 'partylist' first (enque) and then add playlists. | 23:39 |
| roope | I have quite much media with improper metadata and possibly no album art. | 23:39 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: or at least "make believe" | 23:39 |
| Sulis | canola keeps scanning my music, and that slows my n800 to a crawl | 23:39 |
| roope | I'm not quite sure how you deal with those. | 23:39 |
| konttori | It loads album art from the internet | 23:39 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: in canola, we do init sdl before any other thing | 23:39 |
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| konttori | It doesn't use the id tags album art | 23:39 |
| k-s[WORK] | Sulis: ? | 23:39 |
| k-s[WORK] | Sulis: it shouldn't "keep scanning" | 23:39 |
| k-s[WORK] | Sulis: what's your use case? | 23:40 |
| Aleksandyr | konttori: what does it use for a storage backend? | 23:40 |
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| konttori | It loads all id tags always on startup | 23:40 |
| konttori | So, it uses internal tables ;) | 23:40 |
| Sulis | well it scans every now and then, and every time i turn it on, but i have quite a lot of music and it takes a long time to scan it | 23:40 |
| konttori | Images are cached to mmc | 23:40 |
| k-s[WORK] | Sulis: there are some gconf parameters you can play with | 23:41 |
| Sulis | oh? | 23:41 |
| k-s[WORK] | Sulis: get gconf-editor and go to /apps/canola-conf | 23:41 |
| konttori | k-s[WORK]: It's only slow on the first load, when it loads the images from the net. Subsequent loads are quite fast | 23:41 |
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| Sulis | k-s[WORK]: i have that already, will look | 23:41 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: no, I mean, make SDL window appears as soon as possible | 23:41 |
| roope | konttori: also that mechanism of list item selection by dragging and releasing is very nice. | 23:42 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: for example, canola loads its plugins just after the initial splash is shown | 23:42 |
| konttori | k-s[WORK]: Oh! Well, I'll have a look at the ordering of the init code. thanks for the tip! | 23:42 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: make it start "fast" | 23:42 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: :-) | 23:42 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: btw, thank you to showcase what I keep saying here: python is just good to do this "control" kind of stuff | 23:43 |
| konttori | roope: thanks! I think it's the only way to be able to access smallish segments of the screen with using a finger. | 23:43 |
| Sulis | k-s[WORK]: i see what collection-autoscan does, but what would inital_scanner_delay do? | 23:43 |
| k-s[WORK] | bit bang is in C anyway... no need to count references by hand like we had to do with canola! :-( | 23:43 |
| konttori | Yeah, I absolutely love python. It's really ideal for frontend apps. | 23:43 |
| k-s[WORK] | Sulis: how many seconds to wait before auto-scan, AFAIR you can make it negative to never auto-scan | 23:44 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: I wrote python bindings for EFL, much easier to work with than SDL | 23:44 |
| Sulis | ah, but unsetting collection_autoscan will do that just as well | 23:44 |
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| k-s[WORK] | konttori: now I'm optimizing Evas to run as fast as raw SDL on device... then we can rewrite our apps to use it, I'll keep you informed | 23:45 |
| k-s[WORK] | Sulis: probably... I don't look at that code for some time... :-P | 23:45 |
| konttori | So, where can I read about the benefits of EFL vs SDL? | 23:45 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: www.enlightenment.org | 23:46 |
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| k-s[WORK] | konttori: special interest for us "eye-candy" apps is use of Edje as theme system | 23:46 |
| konttori | I must admit that I've had not probs with SDL. It's nice to use and fast. | 23:46 |
| Sulis | k-s[WORK]: hehe, well i'll try it and see what happens | 23:46 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: it keep track of what changed (pygame.sprite.Group like) | 23:46 |
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| roope | konttori: well, perhaps not the _only_ way, but one very nice way. :) | 23:47 |
| k-s[WORK] | Sulis: you can also use canola-applet and stop scanning when you want, or write your own dbus-send script | 23:47 |
| konttori | roope: True. Of course there are other possibilities starting with mouse cursor. | 23:48 |
| Sulis | k-s[WORK]: yeah, i'm thinking that's a good idea | 23:48 |
| Sulis | konttori: does your player make up a readable database of music and id3 tags? | 23:48 |
| k-s[WORK] | Sulis: you can also stop using web-ui, so any HTTP GET request can do it as well | 23:48 |
| konttori | Sulis: nope. It doesn't store them in any way | 23:48 |
| konttori | k-s[WORK]: EFL does look really nice. Thanks for the info. Looks interesting. | 23:49 |
| konttori | Sulis: Future versions will probably have to use some better form of storage. Maybe sqlite. | 23:50 |
| Aleksandyr | entirely off topic: is there some way to bind on to wlan0 getting an IP address? | 23:50 |
| Sulis | k-s[WORK]: any HTTP GET request can update the db? | 23:50 |
| Sulis | or stop updating the db? | 23:50 |
| Aleksandyr | *very easy way that I could put into a shell script. | 23:50 |
| k-s[WORK] | Sulis: sure! | 23:51 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: http://barbieri-playground.googlecode.com/svn/efl-tests/ | 23:51 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: it's in C so far... but you can get my python-bindings (at enlightenment.org CVS, under e17/proto/python-efl) and do the same | 23:52 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: I also have a project at garage to provide ARMEL binaries as soon as I get reasonable performance | 23:52 |
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| konttori | Was MDK:s work using EFL? The video that had some nice GFX ? | 23:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | Sulis: canola web-ui is basically AJAX, so you can find out all the URLs and methods to request this | 23:53 |
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| k-s[WORK] | konttori: no, his "graffi" (or something like this) is another thing, I've not seen any code yet | 23:53 |
| konttori | k-s[WORK]: Makes sense to wait until optimized far enough. Will they be big libs? As in total filesize and memory footprint. | 23:54 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: evas is really fast on PC... but it's 32bpp internally and need to do the conversion, I'm working on this... | 23:54 |
| konttori | k-s[WORK]: Oh, so it's nokia internal thing. Looked interesting though | 23:54 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: no, whole lib set is under 1mb (uncompressed disk size) | 23:54 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: yes, mdk work seems nice | 23:54 |
| Sulis | k-s[WORK]: ah, i might look at that then... | 23:54 |
| konttori | so, that includes edje and etk and other stuff as well? | 23:55 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: EFL have good code to load images, it's possible to load already doing scale... for image thumbnails | 23:55 |
| konttori | really nice! | 23:55 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: just edje, no etk as I don't plan to use it | 23:55 |
| Sulis | k-s[WORK]: does canola store it's db in a way that i can read it? sqlite or something? | 23:55 |
| konttori | ok. makes sense. | 23:55 |
| k-s[WORK] | etk is not big by itself, but its themes may add some footprint | 23:55 |
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| konttori | isn't canola using sqlite? | 23:56 |
| k-s[WORK] | Sulis: sqlite, under /home/user/.canola/canola.db | 23:56 |
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| k-s[WORK] | konttori: great thing with etk is that you can embed that gtk-like UI inside your beauty app, with effects... so your form just fade-in/out, or slide, without problem | 23:57 |
| Sulis | hmmm, i'm just wondering if i could use that to do something else that i've been looking to do | 23:57 |
| k-s[WORK] | Sulis: what? | 23:57 |
| Sulis | well i want to have something that will sync the music that i want from my main computer onto my n800 over the network | 23:57 |
| k-s[WORK] | Sulis: fine | 23:58 |
| etrunko | rb does that... :( | 23:58 |
| konttori | k-s[WORK]: really? nice. is it hard to convert gtk forms to etk? | 23:58 |
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| k-s[WORK] | Sulis: canola-conf will process and execute any query that is stored on /media/mmc1/.canola.db, backlog table | 23:58 |
| k-s[WORK] | konttori: no! it actually loads GLADE :-P | 23:59 |
| konttori | Sulis: you mean like a upnp? | 23:59 |
| konttori | cool! | 23:59 |
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| Sulis | konttori: no, not like a upnp | 23:59 |
| etrunko | :wa | 23:59 |
| etrunko | damn | 23:59 |
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