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| unique311_ | yo | 00:13 |
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| unique311_ | perl for maemo 1.1 will it break 3.0 | 00:14 |
| unique311_ | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo1.1/free/p/perl/ | 00:14 |
| unique311_ | ?? | 00:14 |
| unique311_ | ?? | 00:14 |
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| unique311_ | anyone | 00:17 |
| unique311_ | well any dev that is | 00:17 |
| konttori | ? | 00:17 |
| unique311_ | perl for maemo 1.1 will it break 3.0 | 00:17 |
| unique311_ | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo1.1/free/p/perl/ | 00:17 |
| unique311_ | ?? | 00:17 |
| konttori | why should it? | 00:18 |
| maddler-800 | unique, no need to repeat... | 00:18 |
| unique311_ | ok | 00:18 |
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| unique311_ | sorry madler | 00:18 |
| maddler-800 | if no1 answer, maybe no1 has the answer... | 00:18 |
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| unique311_ | i did for konttori | 00:18 |
| * konttori didn't hear the first time - just joined. unique just repeated for me | 00:18 | |
| maddler-800 | oh... sorry then... :)99 | 00:19 |
| unique311_ | no worries.. | 00:19 |
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| konttori | I suggest you try. Nothing too bad should happen | 00:19 |
| unique311_ | yeah | 00:19 |
| unique311_ | reflash is simply anyways.. | 00:19 |
| unique311_ | lol | 00:19 |
| konttori | ;) | 00:19 |
| konttori | and you can take the flash copy nowdays as well | 00:20 |
| maddler-800 | hehe... reflash is your safety belt! | 00:20 |
| Sonej | How many hours should i expect on the battery from the n800, while watching movies nonstop? | 00:21 |
| konttori | 3-4 | 00:21 |
| jku | sonej, I recall my 770 failing somewhere in middle of the second movie | 00:22 |
| jku | +3 hrs maybe | 00:22 |
| Sonej | oh i i thought 1-2 | 00:22 |
| konttori | use mid level contrast (or lower) to extend battery life | 00:22 |
| unique311_ | yep' | 00:22 |
| konttori | and turn the offline mode on | 00:22 |
| * konttori goes to bed | 00:22 | |
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| Sonej | Well, I'm only taking a 4h tripp, so i guess i will find out soon. | 00:22 |
| Sonej | ah, okey | 00:22 |
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| maddler-800 | switch off led lights as well | 00:28 |
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| derf | But, but, LEDs! | 00:28 |
| maddler-800 | uh? | 00:29 |
| derf | They're pretty. | 00:29 |
| maddler-800 | not when you need to save battery life... | 00:30 |
| maddler-800 | I love blinking LEDs... but... | 00:30 |
| maddler-800 | sad but true... hehehe... | 00:31 |
| derf | Honestly, really, how much battery could an LED use. | 00:31 |
| dragorn | I'd be surprised if someone can prove the led load is even measureable | 00:31 |
| Sonej | low brightness would help, i guess | 00:31 |
| roope | Well. The power is consumed by the cpu controling the le.d | 00:32 |
| roope | Not the led light itself, naturally. | 00:32 |
| roope | but you know, something needs to tell it to go on and off. | 00:32 |
| maddler-800 | derf... enough to help depletion of your battery... | 00:33 |
| maddler-800 | dragorn... maybe it's only a feeling... but to me it seems like my battery lasts for longer whithout LEds | 00:34 |
| maddler-800 | never benchmarked... so I could be wrong | 00:34 |
| dragorn | roope: the CPU on the 800 doesn't really go to sleep, even in soft off mode, tho. | 00:35 |
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| roope | Well, that's the explanation i've basically hears. | 00:37 |
| roope | heard. and the figure is quite substantial of the total power consumption. | 00:37 |
| roope | something needs to be processed with every on/off of the led. | 00:37 |
| derf | I honestly don't even know what makes the LED blink in the first place. | 00:37 |
| roope | connecting to charger. being on while screen is off. receiving new messages while screen is off. | 00:38 |
| unique311_ | mistral is 2.2? | 00:38 |
| |tbb| | hi all | 00:39 |
| |tbb| | maddler how r u doing | 00:40 |
| maddler-800 | busy ass always :) | 00:41 |
| maddler-800 | u? | 00:41 |
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| |tbb| | same | 00:43 |
| |tbb| | anything new on the a-ng | 00:43 |
| lsobral | unique311_, , mistral is 2.1 and gregale is 2.2 | 00:43 |
| unique311_ | thanks... | 00:43 |
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| mk8 | Night to all | 00:45 |
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| maddler-800 | absolutely _nothing_ | 00:46 |
| maddler-800 | :(((( | 00:46 |
| |tbb| | :/// | 00:46 |
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| |tbb| | hmmh do guys think there is a chance that postgresql will be released soon for bora? | 00:50 |
| maddler-800 | dunno... | 00:57 |
| maddler-800 | maybe... | 00:57 |
| maddler-800 | what about sqlite?re | 00:57 |
| maddler-800 | lghter | 00:58 |
| maddler-800 | (sorry, I'm on N800) | 00:58 |
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| maddler-800 | hmmm... any clue which repo had mtr package? | 01:01 |
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| maddler-800 | b0onc3... ricevuto... | 01:03 |
| b0unc3 | :) | 01:03 |
| maddler-800 | non mi fa rispondere che non sono registrato ora... | 01:03 |
| b0unc3 | k | 01:03 |
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| maddler-800 | sounds like it's working... | 01:09 |
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| maddler-800 | and is niiiice... | 01:09 |
| maddler-800 | maybe smtg needs to be checked here and there... | 01:09 |
| maddler-800 | but the overall is that you are almost done! | 01:10 |
| maddler-800 | great app paisa'! ghghgh | 01:10 |
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| b0unc3 | maddler-800: ;D | 01:11 |
| b0unc3 | maddler-800: smtg ? | 01:13 |
| maddler-800 | SoMeThinG | 01:13 |
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| b0unc3 | ah yes, I know... but believe me... it's the better way | 01:14 |
| maddler-800 | hehe... hmm... I still need to click more thaan once in order to execute/launch | 01:18 |
| maddler-800 | but not always... | 01:18 |
| maddler-800 | ok... I'll give a *real* try tomorrow... | 01:19 |
| b0unc3 | ok | 01:20 |
| maddler-800 | my brain is gone now... | 01:21 |
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| s100user | hi | 03:19 |
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| Tak | tigert: is http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/n800-theme/ the latest plankton? | 05:42 |
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| bvsciguy | Why isn't maemo sdk available on windows? | 06:11 |
| Tak | there's a vmware image... | 06:11 |
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| bvsciguy | ok, is that like an emulator? analogous to wine? | 06:12 |
| Tak | vmware basically emulates an entire pc | 06:12 |
| bvsciguy | oh, ok. I am just getting in to open source and I am trying to grab hold of things. | 06:14 |
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| Tak | I suspect you could set up an environment with just the oss components using cygwin, but that's a sure path to madness | 06:15 |
| Tak | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 | 06:16 |
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| tigert | Tak: no | 08:56 |
| tigert | Tak: or, well, in experimental/ the package is newer | 08:57 |
| tigert | but I need to update it | 08:57 |
| tigert | Tak: you can build it with theme-tools yourself also | 08:57 |
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| spaetz | mmh, anybody ever gettn$ing error messages, when plugging in the N8000 via USB? | 09:55 |
| spaetz | usb 1-5: device not accepting address 24, error -71 | 09:55 |
| spaetz | things like this. | 09:55 |
| spaetz | actually it is always the same error message, with different addresses when trying | 09:56 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all | 10:18 |
| konttori_ | hi! | 10:34 |
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| dev | good morning | 10:38 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:07 |
| keesj | Hi Jaffa | 11:08 |
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| konttori_ | is there a ogg gstreamer codec for n800? | 11:10 |
| zuh | Yes, for example check the "related packages" part of http://kilikali.garage.maemo.org/ | 11:11 |
| zuh | there's both libvorbis and tremor plugins there | 11:11 |
| zuh | correction, only tremor | 11:12 |
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| konttori_ | nice indeed. What's the difference between vorbis and tremor? | 11:12 |
| konttori_ | oh, tremor is the fixed point version | 11:13 |
| zuh | yes | 11:13 |
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| konttori_ | All right. Any dsp versions yet? | 11:14 |
| zuh | Tremor takes <15% CPU IIRC, while the float version was around 25% (with VFP, much much more without) | 11:14 |
| konttori_ | So, pretty easy on the cpu. Nice to hear that. | 11:15 |
| zuh | No dsp decoding for vorbis unfortunately :/ (would be nice to get better theora output). Nokia (apparently) doesn't dare to support it officially, and writing dsp code has been attempted but so far nobody has real results as there's no good resources available on how... | 11:17 |
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| konttori_ | Ok. Just wondering on how to add ogg support for my media player. | 11:18 |
| konttori_ | Seems like gstreamer plugin is the way to go | 11:18 |
| lardman|afk | Has someone packaged up the gstreamer tremor plugin, I thought they had (or were going to do so)? | 11:19 |
| zuh | lardman|afk: http://kilikali.garage.maemo.org/ | 11:19 |
| zuh | "Related packages" | 11:19 |
| lardman|afk | zuh: Ah good | 11:19 |
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| * lardman|afk still has troubles with debian packaging | 11:20 | |
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| lardman | I've just got the Ti CCS demo disk from Ti, which will hopefully have the missing lib on it, so perhaps my dsp experiments will go further... | 11:22 |
| zuh | yay for that | 11:22 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:23 |
| * zuh is a bit on the not-happy side about unused bits of hw on the device... | 11:23 | |
| lardman | At least there is talk of them being developed | 11:23 |
| zuh | Would be great to even have a dsp hello world running there if nothing else ;) | 11:24 |
| lardman | I need to re-read the mailing list emails related to PowerVR a bit more carefully (had to skim lots of email when I got back from holiday) | 11:25 |
| lardman | well it's possible to get it to print text to the screen, but that's wierd as it doesn't need to be linked (and linking causes a DSP reset) | 11:25 |
| lardman | so not quite there | 11:26 |
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| kulve | afaik, there's nothing one can do about powerVR | 11:36 |
| kulve | but the dsp is open enough for development. Too bad there's not a single open source "task" for it.. | 11:37 |
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| kulve | it's not even that complicated | 11:37 |
| lardman | yes, I agree, but I think the build process is the snag here really | 11:37 |
| kulve | yeah, that's not that trivial, iirc | 11:38 |
| lardman | no, it's a pita | 11:38 |
| lardman | :) | 11:38 |
| lardman | It would be nice for Nokia to provide a header file so we could access the functions in the avs_kernel (at least some of them) | 11:39 |
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| polpak | Anyone alive in here? I need some info on installing PyMaemo in the SDK environment. None of the documentation I've found covers it | 11:40 |
| kulve | lardman: what's the avs_kernel..? | 11:40 |
| lardman | kulve: It's the kernel that runs on the DSP | 11:40 |
| kulve | isn't that stuff open? | 11:41 |
| kulve | dspgateways.sf.net | 11:41 |
| lardman | kulve: It appears to have various other things statically linked into it, like the dsp helper libs, as well as code to access the audio stuff | 11:41 |
| lardman | kulve: Yes and no, it's based on that, but has some other bits in it, like the audio stuff | 11:41 |
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| kulve | yeah, the audio stuff is one problem. Unless on pass the data to dsp, decode it, pass it to arm side, play it | 11:41 |
| polpak | can anyone tell me how to install pymaemo in the sdk environment? | 11:42 |
| lardman | kulve: That's possible, but annoying that it shouldn't need to be done like that | 11:42 |
| lardman | polpak: I've no idea I'm afraid | 11:42 |
| lardman | s/that/as | 11:42 |
| kulve | lardman: yeah and the communication seems to be slow | 11:43 |
| lardman | kulve: The audio stuff could be recreated (with some effort & experimentation), but then it would effectively be duplicated in memory | 11:44 |
| polpak | lardman: thx anyway.. | 11:44 |
| polpak | Anyone else have an idea? | 11:44 |
| lardman | polpak: np | 11:44 |
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| spaetz | konttori_: your media player is really nice, I'm starting to use it often. | 11:55 |
| spaetz | an gstreamer-ogg plugin as seperate package would be nice... | 11:56 |
| kulve | spaetz: see 11:19.. | 11:57 |
| kulve | I've planned to make a totally not-kilikali-related ogg-package for n800 including mime stuff, icons, codecs and gst plugis | 11:57 |
| spaetz | kulve: just reading and adding the repo :-) | 11:58 |
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| makuchaku | Hi, I have a question about DBus - I want to expose DBus signals as GLib signals to the developer. I had a look at Maemo's implementation - is it that maemo creates a new glib signal for every DBus signale? | 13:15 |
| makuchaku | *signal | 13:15 |
| makuchaku | The point here is - only glib signals should be known to the developer - dbus should remain invisible to him. | 13:16 |
| makuchaku | Is there a strategy that Maemo follows for this? | 13:16 |
| makuchaku | For example - https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/osso-gnome-vfs2/daemon/vfs-daemon.c - main() maps "volume-mounted" signal & its handler then emits a DBus signal. Is the reverse possible in any way? | 13:19 |
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| mikemorrison | makuchaku: i think the only way it's done in libosso is by callbacks... i've only used osso_mime_set_cb though so i'm by no means an expert | 13:24 |
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| makuchaku | mikemorrison: :) | 13:26 |
| inz | makuchaku, afaik it is not possible | 13:27 |
| inz | makuchaku, well, obviously it is possible in some way, but not easily | 13:28 |
| inz | makuchaku, but indeed you need to have a glib signal for every dbus signal you want to proxy | 13:28 |
| makuchaku | inz: cant i do the reverse of whats done in the link i gave above? for every dbus signal of the object i'm interested in, get a gsignal ready, listen for that object's signals (particular interfaces maybe) & as and when dbus emits the signal, i can emit a related gsignal... | 13:28 |
| makuchaku | inz: agreed... | 13:29 |
| makuchaku | inz: considering i'm writing api for a developer base, how good is this strategy of hiding dbus signals from them & letting them work just with gsignals | 13:30 |
| inz | makuchaku, really handy | 13:30 |
| makuchaku | inz: because the idea is - not everyone is well versed with dbus - but almost all gtk developers know what are gsignals. | 13:31 |
| inz | makuchaku, mapping gobject signals to dbus signals is easy with dbus-glib and dbus-binding-tool | 13:31 |
| inz | makuchaku, but unfortunately dbus-binding-tool doesn't give you the oppsite. =/ | 13:31 |
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| makuchaku | inz: maybe it can be modded :) | 13:32 |
| mikemorrison | ... and callbacks are even easier... | 13:32 |
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| zuh | IIRC I used to connect signals with dbus_g_proxy_connect_signal() to callbacks that simply called g_signal_emit_by_name() for my "interface" object to achieve this (though some time ago, dunno if the glib bindings have changed since) | 13:37 |
| makuchaku | zuh: exactly, thats the point - the glib signals which these callbacks emit can be then documented & given to end developers. | 13:41 |
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| konttori_ | spaetz: Thanks! Great to hear that you like it! | 14:09 |
| konttori_ | spaetz: I'll be adding ogg support very soon. ... soonish at least. | 14:09 |
| kulve | konttori_: how? | 14:09 |
| kulve | konttori_: I mean, let's not duplicate work for that.. | 14:10 |
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| kulve | on the codecs/mime/etc level | 14:10 |
| konttori_ | I'll fist add a quick support version and then a proper version. Quick support won't read the ogg comments and take the album from there, but instead gets it from the location of the ogg file. Anyway, a poor support is still better than none. | 14:10 |
| kulve | konttori_: ok, but you are not going to provide the gst plugins or tremor/vorbis libs? | 14:11 |
| kulve | just use them | 14:11 |
| konttori_ | Nope, I'm not going to add any gstreamer components. Just support for playing ogg files if you do have the ogg components in the system | 14:12 |
| kulve | ok. | 14:12 |
| konttori_ | I've found python libs that can read the ogg tags as well, but I only have so much time in a day for mp, so I'll have to make some compromises. | 14:13 |
| konttori_ | Anyway, proper support will be added at some soonish point in the future | 14:13 |
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| [A]ndy80 | hi | 14:51 |
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| konttori_ | hi | 15:16 |
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| robtaylor | konttori_: hey | 15:35 |
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| konttori_ | robtaylor: hey | 15:50 |
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| robtaylor | konttori_: well, all the python-coherence packages are available for maemo now | 15:53 |
| konttori_ | very cool indeed. Do you have some sort of test app as well? | 15:55 |
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| konttori_ | I'll look into ogg support today in the evening and after I have some level of poor support for ogg, I'll look into coherence. | 15:55 |
| robtaylor | konttori_: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free, deb http://repository.nrcc.noklab.com/ bora extras, deb http://codethink.co.uk/~robtaylor/rep/ ./ | 15:56 |
| robtaylor | konttori_: cool :) | 15:56 |
| konttori_ | I'm looking forward to running uk media playyer on my osx and accessing its entire library from my N800 . | 15:56 |
| dev | konttori_: the filesystem MediaServer should work out of the box on the n800 | 15:56 |
| dev | and for the MediaRenderer I need to adapt the gstreamer sink mp3 | 15:57 |
| konttori_ | what's media renderer? | 15:57 |
| dev | a player | 15:57 |
| dev | or to be more sprecific, something that can be told to retrieve and play some media located at some MediaServer | 15:58 |
| konttori_ | cool | 15:59 |
| dev | that will allow you to control with your N800 your UPMP on osx or vice versa | 16:00 |
| dev | your UKMP | 16:00 |
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| konttori_ | That's nice as well. Ability to put n800 on the stereo set and play music remotely to that. very nice. | 16:00 |
| konttori_ | How heavy are the coherence python files all in total (the ones I would need)? Would it be viable to just include them in the same .deb file? Or rather as a separate package? | 16:03 |
| dev | we should be able to reuse most of the things done for Elisa | 16:04 |
| dev | robtaylors files are around 1.5MB | 16:05 |
| konttori_ | dev: urgh. Quite heavy. All necessary? | 16:06 |
| konttori_ | Not that it's really too much , but just wondering | 16:07 |
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| dev | yep, plus a few more from the noklab repo | 16:07 |
| konttori_ | All right. I'll just have to test it a bit. Have you tested in on osx by any chance? | 16:08 |
| robtaylor | konttori_: thats exatly what i want to do! | 16:09 |
| konttori_ | Ok, as I dev on osx, I'll have to start the testing on osx first anyway. | 16:10 |
| robtaylor | konttori_: and have some way to upload music to the server, which is why i've been helping out dev in his tasks ;) | 16:10 |
| robtaylor | konttori_: yeah, i can't see there being much of an issue | 16:10 |
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| konttori_ | I agree. Should work out of the box. | 16:11 |
| robtaylor | though i'd like to add inotify support on linux, if it isn't already there | 16:13 |
| konttori_ | what's inotify? | 16:14 |
| dev | I'll test file import later, there shouldn't be any real obstacles | 16:14 |
| robtaylor | notification on inodes changing | 16:14 |
| dev | robtaylor: https://coherence.beebits.net/browser/trunk/coherence/extern/inotify.py | 16:14 |
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| robtaylor | dev: you truely rule :) | 16:14 |
| dev | it works with the filesystem MediaServer | 16:16 |
| dev | but as I "sourced it out" you can use it to monitor an "import area" and add its content to the mediadb | 16:18 |
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| derf | konttori_, kulve: Feel free to ask me any questions you have about Ogg, by the way, since I work for Xiph. | 16:18 |
| dev | needs some adjustments for the right system-calls on osx and n800 | 16:18 |
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| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe, lucianomw: hey, i've done some work to make prorting python packages easier | 16:21 |
| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe, lucianomw: 1st off, a snapshot of teh current debian devkit with updated tools: http://codethink.co.uk/~robtaylor/scratchbox-devkit-debian_1.0.7_i386.deb | 16:21 |
| lucianomw | robtaylor, great! i will take a look | 16:22 |
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| robtaylor | aCiDBaSe, lucianomw: second, a fixed-up python-central, pytho-setuptools and python-configobj in | 16:22 |
| robtaylor | http://codethink.co.uk/~robtaylor/repo | 16:22 |
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| robtaylor | lucianomw: i'd be nice if you take a look at my python-xml. it uses pycentral and is very close to sid upstream | 16:23 |
| lucianomw | robtaylor, ok, I will take a look today | 16:24 |
| robtaylor | lucianomw: cool :) | 16:24 |
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| lucianomw | :) | 16:24 |
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| robtaylor | dev: updated the python0xml package so it'll replace python2.5-xml | 16:29 |
| dev | awesome | 16:30 |
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| k-s[WORK] | MoRpHeUz: god post :-) | 17:28 |
| k-s[WORK] | finally a solution for n800 + streaming :-) | 17:29 |
| k-s[WORK] | http://labs.morpheuz.eng.br/blog | 17:30 |
| mgedmin | hm... 50% cpu of a 2.33 GHz core duo on the streaming server side... | 17:31 |
| k-s[WORK] | mgedmin: depends what filters do you use | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | my 300 mhz pentium II file server has no chance... | 17:31 |
| k-s[WORK] | mgedmin: it's mencoder, so everything it handles you get | 17:31 |
| k-s[WORK] | mgedmin: also, except by ffmpeg's own program, mencoder is the fastest out there | 17:32 |
| mgedmin | I'll have to give it a try | 17:32 |
| k-s[WORK] | but it does extra features, like subtitles, ... | 17:32 |
| mgedmin | streaming video with realtime transcoding was on my wishlist almost from the beginning | 17:32 |
| k-s[WORK] | mgedmin: if you have divx or mpeg2, it should consume less CPU | 17:32 |
| k-s[WORK] | mgedmin: also, bear in mind that core2 duo, 100% cpu is actually just one CPU being used ;-) Mencoder is not threaded, it will just use one core | 17:33 |
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| Okko | k-s[WORK]: uh oh, so on the PC one should install GMyth and MythTV? | 17:57 |
| k-s[WORK] | Okko: no | 17:57 |
| k-s[WORK] | Okko: if you just want to use MoRpHeUz's streamer, you don't need mythtv | 17:58 |
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| Okko | k-s[WORK]: I'm not on the map here... So I if I have a WindowsXP and N800, what should i install and where? :-) | 17:58 |
| k-s[WORK] | Okko: it's just a server that listens for commands, it setups the encoder and put it to output directly to a TCP socket... then on the other side, just have the socket to pipe into mplayer | 17:59 |
| k-s[WORK] | Okko: just get python and mencoder for windows | 17:59 |
| k-s[WORK] | MoRpHeUz: are you handling paths using python's os.path? | 18:00 |
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| Okko | k-s[WORK]: I'd actually like to watch digital tv, so I think I need mythtv to get to the decoder card on the PC? | 18:02 |
| k-s[WORK] | Okko: I don't know about windows, but mencoder can handle digital tv itself on linux | 18:02 |
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| Okko | k-s[WORK]: and then on the N800's side I need Mplayer and what else? | 18:04 |
| dragorn | Depends on the dtv standard | 18:04 |
| dragorn | DVB in europe, yes. Digital TV in the US, not so much | 18:04 |
| Okko | DVB here | 18:05 |
| k-s[WORK] | Okko: just mplayer and gmyth-streamer/client | 18:05 |
| k-s[WORK] | Okko: gmyth-streamer is python, so you need it too | 18:05 |
| Okko | mmkay, are they available as installable packages? | 18:06 |
| k-s[WORK] | Okko: no | 18:07 |
| k-s[WORK] | Okko: wait MoRpHeUz to be back and ask him :-) | 18:10 |
| Okko | k-s[WORK]: ok looks a bit hard to install :-) | 18:10 |
| k-s[WORK] | Okko: is still in test, but at least does the thing :-) | 18:10 |
| Okko | yeah that's awesoem | 18:10 |
| Okko | awesome | 18:11 |
| k-s[WORK] | also, just checked last svn and there are some minor problems, I'll have MoRpHeUz to fix them | 18:14 |
| Okko | someone could maybe draw on image of the full path, there's so many separate softwares and plugins that the whole setup is a bit hard to understand | 18:14 |
| k-s[WORK] | yes | 18:15 |
| Okko | It's also a bit confusing that the app installer on the device still doesn't show the same packages as downloads.maemo.org, for example mplayer | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | oh yes | 18:16 |
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| dragorn | well you have to add the repos for each for them to show up | 18:18 |
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| mgedmin | which wouldn't be a problem if there was Only One True Repo | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | and that would also nicely solve the problem of install links on downloads.maemo.org not working because a .install can add only one repo, but the package depends on something else from somewhere else | 18:19 |
| Okko | exactly, if Nokia won't put all of the repos in the device directly then maybe there could be "downloads.maemo.org.install" that would add in all the repos it knows | 18:20 |
| Okko | ..or, a page with multiple "install links" to install the repos? | 18:21 |
| dragorn | considering that garage is half wiki half user-contributed and any user can build a repo, I think you're asking for the unrealistic | 18:22 |
| dragorn | it's like saying freshmeat should host all the software | 18:22 |
| MoRpHeUz | sorry | 18:22 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 18:22 |
| MoRpHeUz | was away =P | 18:22 |
| Okko | but can any user put his software to downloads.maemo.org? | 18:22 |
| muzzydk_ | a one-click solution for adding the top 5 favourite repositories, as chosen by users, would be ok | 18:22 |
| Okko | I'm not talking about garage but downloads.maemo.org the catalogue, aren't they two separate things? | 18:23 |
| MoRpHeUz | Okko: hi...well, I've never tested it under windows but I'll give it a try.. | 18:23 |
| Okko | MoRpHeUz: I can test it, I'm just not on the map what I should install and where and do I have to compile stuff :) | 18:23 |
| MoRpHeUz | Okko: also, I need to clean-up the code...it works 100% right now, but needs some improvement. | 18:24 |
| dragorn | yes, anyone can put their software in the list on the maemo garage, as far as I know. It's also a terrible idea to put repos in someones system automatically considering anyone can install anything at any priv level when you install a package | 18:24 |
| MoRpHeUz | Okko: ok...I'll try to do this today, to at night I can supply some packages to make it install easier.. | 18:24 |
| kabtoffe | MoRpHeUz: Cool | 18:24 |
| Okko | MoRpHeUz: cool! | 18:24 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 18:24 |
| kabtoffe | I got so excited... | 18:25 |
| dragorn | at least with the current system you have to take SOME user-directed action to ruin yourself if someone is malicious | 18:25 |
| MoRpHeUz | it would be good to have people reporting bugs and so on.. | 18:25 |
| MoRpHeUz | so just let us clean-up the code and supply the packages ;-) | 18:25 |
| kabtoffe | MoRpHeUz: Yup. That would be good... | 18:26 |
| MoRpHeUz | if you are under linux, just need python+menconder and mplayer on N800 | 18:26 |
| Okko | dragorn: so is downloads.maemo.org part of garage? | 18:26 |
| MoRpHeUz | svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gmyth gmyth | 18:26 |
| MoRpHeUz | and inside trunk you have gmyth-streamer | 18:26 |
| kabtoffe | MoRpHeUz: How about if I'm running a mythtv-backend? | 18:26 |
| MoRpHeUz | best: svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gmyth/trunk/gmyth-stream/server gmyth | 18:27 |
| MoRpHeUz | kabtoffe: then you have 2 options | 18:27 |
| MoRpHeUz | kabtoffe: use gmyth library to start livetv and then supply to gmyth-streamer the file where mythtv is recording the live-tv | 18:27 |
| Okko | MoRpHeUz: nothing else than mplayer on N800? | 18:27 |
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| dragorn | Okko: Considering you can make accounts and it's full of stuff definitely not by nokia? I'd presume so. | 18:28 |
| MoRpHeUz | kabtoffe: or start livetv on your frontend and do the same on gmyth-streamer... the idea is to make it easier as soon as possible | 18:28 |
| MoRpHeUz | Okko: probably gstreamer in a few days.. | 18:28 |
| kabtoffe | MoRpHeUz: but that won't work with DVB will ot? | 18:28 |
| kabtoffe | it | 18:28 |
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| Okko | dragorn: there's "copyright (C) 2002-2007 Nokia Corporation" in the footer of downloads.maemo.org | 18:29 |
| MoRpHeUz | we also have a gnomevfs module under development to play it on gstreamer | 18:29 |
| Okko | dragorn: are we talking about the same thing? http://downloads.maemo.org/ | 18:29 |
| MoRpHeUz | kabtoffe: well, I used a recorded DVB show and it worked...(recorded it through MythTV...didn't try live, but should work the same) | 18:29 |
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| kabtoffe | MoRpHeUz: MoRpHeUz was it a mpeg file or nuv? | 18:30 |
| MoRpHeUz | kabtoffe: there is a way to make mencoder play it directly from your tv card, but I didnt have time to try it (and the actual code doesnt support it..need some lines of hack) | 18:30 |
| kabtoffe | MoRpHeUz: oh well. i'll try and report back then | 18:30 |
| MoRpHeUz | kabtoffe: it was mpeg2 | 18:30 |
| pekkis | I've done lots of streaming to my 770, but mainly with vlc | 18:30 |
| MoRpHeUz | 720x576 | 18:30 |
| Okko | MoRpHeUz: in n00b words, could you shortly explain what software does what on the PC side and what software does what on the N800 side? :-) | 18:31 |
| MoRpHeUz | for sure =) | 18:31 |
| Okko | so from DVB source.. | 18:31 |
| MoRpHeUz | PC side: gmyth-streamer + mencoder + [MythTV / Freevo / Any] | 18:31 |
| MoRpHeUz | n800: mplayer + gmyth-streamer client | 18:32 |
| pekkis | Does myth already support dvb-subs ? | 18:32 |
| kabtoffe | pekkis: yup | 18:32 |
| kabtoffe | pekkis: toimii | 18:32 |
| Okko | MoRpHeUz: and your plan was to provide the "gmyth-streamer client" as an installable package, did I understood correctly? | 18:32 |
| pekkis | kabtoffe: striimatessakin ? | 18:33 |
| MoRpHeUz | yes... | 18:33 |
| kabtoffe | pekkis: dunno. | 18:33 |
| Okko | MoRpHeUz: this stuff basically makes the N800 the cheapest bedroom tv solution if one already has a dvb card on his computer :) | 18:34 |
| Okko | (for digital tv at least) | 18:34 |
| kabtoffe | pekkis: But the standard mythtv frontend does support subtitles. | 18:34 |
| MoRpHeUz | Okko: you mean, "bedroom tv", "kitchen tv", even "bathroom tv" lol =P | 18:34 |
| Okko | MoRpHeUz: or backyard tv :) | 18:34 |
| MoRpHeUz | hehe | 18:34 |
| Okko | 1. install this software, 2. get Digita or YLE to broadcast DVB stuff to the Internet 3. ?? 4. happy users :) | 18:35 |
| pekkis | kabtoffe: I tried myth some time ago, but I am longtime vdr-user and did not like it | 18:36 |
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| kabtoffe | pekkis: I've tried to install on every ubuntu release. On feisty I finally managed to get it working... | 18:37 |
| pekkis | And with vlc I can directly grab, transcode and stream to 770 with mplayer including subtitles | 18:37 |
| kabtoffe | pekkis: I've been using it for a week now, and I really like it. The only thing that it is lacking that kaffeine had is recording several channels on the same multiplex. | 18:38 |
| MoRpHeUz | pekkis: well, I never used vdr before but I think you can use it with gmyth-streamer the same way you would using mythtv/freevo | 18:38 |
| pekkis | vdr does record multiple channels from same transponder/multiplex | 18:39 |
| kabtoffe | pekkis: it doesn't? | 18:39 |
| kabtoffe | pekkis: I thought it did... | 18:39 |
| pekkis | depends whether channels are scrambled or not | 18:39 |
| pekkis | It does | 18:39 |
| kabtoffe | pekkis: what do cards + ci + cam stuff do you use? | 18:42 |
| pekkis | I do stream a lot of stuff - but I work for a streaming company | 18:42 |
| kabtoffe | pekkis: :) | 18:42 |
| pekkis | I have personal experience of Conax 4.0 cams on a old Hauppage Nexus cards and also with Technotrend 1500, both on dvb-s | 18:44 |
| Okko | pekkis: is it possible/easy to get maxinetti's tv stream to be compatible with N800/linux clients? | 18:45 |
| kabtoffe | pekkis: I pay for the Viasat Kulta channel package, it would be nice to be able to record it. | 18:45 |
| pekkis | On free-to-air channels sure | 18:45 |
| pekkis | that was for okko | 18:46 |
| pekkis | Viasat from satellite ? | 18:46 |
| kabtoffe | pekkis: no through welho | 18:46 |
| pekkis | ach, cable | 18:46 |
| kabtoffe | pekkis: I've got two terratec dvb-c cards, but they don't have CI nor is an add-on available | 18:47 |
| Okko | pekkis: do you use multicast for the tv channels in your adsl network? | 18:47 |
| pekkis | There are unofficial ways to have soft-ci, but I am not sure whether it is legal | 18:48 |
| pekkis | okko: standard multicast, vlc can directly transcode it to n800 | 18:48 |
| pekkis | or 770 | 18:48 |
| pekkis | As long as we are talking of free-to-air channels, yle, mtv3, nelonen etc | 18:49 |
| pekkis | paytv-channels are scrambled | 18:49 |
| Okko | pekkis: it would be cool if there was no need for transcoding at all | 18:50 |
| MoRpHeUz | well | 18:51 |
| MoRpHeUz | I think that you need to transcode anyway to play it on the device.. | 18:51 |
| pekkis | okko: the cpu cannot handle 720x576 mpeg2 @ 5Mbps | 18:51 |
| Okko | Not if the ADSL provider would do the transcoding and kindly provide the stream in a suitable format :) | 18:51 |
| Okko | I bet YLE would call that illegal, but one can dream.. | 18:52 |
| pekkis | okko: not possible, at least YLE denies further transcoding | 18:52 |
| Okko | It's just funny that the end-user can do the transcoding at home but not pay for someone else to do it | 18:52 |
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| davyd | hey all | 18:53 |
| pekkis | If transcoding would be allowed, we would transcode all out iptv to h264-mpeg4 and save lots of bandwidth | 18:53 |
| davyd | so, I just got a 770 | 18:53 |
| davyd | and I'm currently feeling very confused | 18:54 |
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| pekkis | You are not alone | 18:54 |
| davyd | there is a pile of release versions, and codenames and years | 18:54 |
| davyd | and I'm not sure how these line up | 18:54 |
| Okko | but since the law says that YLE must bring "full service of tv and radio programmes" maybe I could contact their customer service and ask when this service comes | 18:54 |
| Okko | In my logic "full service" includes a suitable stream for my N800 =) | 18:54 |
| davyd | thus, to cut it all short: is it possible to have Python 2.5 on a 770 | 18:54 |
| pekkis | You may try :) | 18:54 |
| davyd | is it packaged up neatly? | 18:55 |
| pekkis | I do think so | 18:55 |
| davyd | ok, so what codename is IT2006? | 18:55 |
| davyd | I see here bora and scirocco | 18:56 |
| pekkis | I think I saw python2.5 packages somewhere - after 10 minutes I can boot my 770 back to OS2006 | 18:56 |
| davyd | I've also seen one beginning with g and one beginning with m | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | gregale and mistral | 18:57 |
| davyd | yeah, everything I've got seems to come out of something called mistral | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | gregale is the newest SDK for the 770 | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | bora is the newest SDK forthe N800 | 18:57 |
| davyd | ok | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | um, maemo 3.1 didn't have a new codename, right? it's still bora? | 18:57 |
| davyd | and mistral is the latest production cut? | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | mistral was the first sdk for the 770 (aka Maemo 2.0) | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/CodeNames | 18:58 |
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| davyd | so this thing is running 3.2006.49-2 | 18:59 |
| davyd | so, I should be able to add a repo for gregale and install Python 2.5 from that? | 19:00 |
| mgedmin | probably | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | doesn't downloads.maemo.org have an entry for Python? | 19:01 |
| davyd | it didn't like it | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | it is | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | um, it does | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/install/python2.5-runtime.install | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | you mean that install link didn't work? | 19:02 |
| davyd | yeah | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | what was the error (you can find a full message log in application installer's tools menu) | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | ? | 19:02 |
| davyd | dependancies | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | ah, sorry,that link is broken | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | it's for bora! | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | this might work, if it exists: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/mistral/install/python2.5-runtime.install | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | it should work | 19:03 |
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| pekkis | -> home | 19:09 |
| * davyd gives it a whirl | 19:09 | |
| bipolar | *sigh* http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=kkito | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | heh | 19:10 |
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| davyd | ok, that's installing | 19:12 |
| davyd | (yay) | 19:12 |
| * mgedmin tries to log in and fix the python install link, but downloads.garage.org is still BROKEN | 19:15 | |
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| part | mgedmin: garage.org? | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | err | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | downloads.maemo.org | 19:19 |
| mgedmin | doesn't accept my garage.maemo.org credentials like it used to | 19:20 |
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| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1182/python2.4-runtime.install | 19:21 |
| konttori | If 2.4 is good enough for you | 19:21 |
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| davyd | hmm, well this software half runs | 19:22 |
| * davyd thinks he is going to be doing a lot of poking around to make it useful | 19:22 | |
| part | mgedmin: yeah, auth on downloads, ie. test.m.o is broken, works with garage | 19:23 |
| mgedmin | it's been broken for a week, I think | 19:23 |
| konttori | what are you guys testing out anyway? | 19:23 |
| part | mgedmin: have you contacted anyone regarding this? | 19:23 |
| mgedmin | the issue has been raised on the mailing list, and there's a bug in the maemo2midgard garage project | 19:24 |
| derf | I've _never_ been able to log into downloads.m.o. | 19:25 |
| derf | Where "ever" is about the past month. | 19:25 |
| part | mgedmin: #657 seems to be worked on | 19:27 |
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| robtaylor | lucianomw: did you know ctypes isn't working in current python2.5 package? | 19:31 |
| lucianomw | robtaylor, isn't that problem related with current pyrex version? | 19:32 |
| robtaylor | lucianomw: i think its to do with using the system ffi | 19:33 |
| robtaylor | lucianomw: as its cross-compiling, there probably isn't a system libffi.. | 19:33 |
| robtaylor | well, testing now :) | 19:34 |
| robtaylor | or maybe the ffi availiable from the scratchbox toolchain is too old | 19:34 |
| robtaylor | the compile errors are kinda weird | 19:34 |
| robtaylor | nope, not passing in --with-system-ffi doesnt seem to fix it | 19:35 |
| lucianomw | robtaylor, just a moment | 19:35 |
| robtaylor | lucianomw: hmm, you could be right, prex issues could explain this | 19:35 |
| lucianomw | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=560&group_id=40&atid=229 | 19:36 |
| lucianomw | robtaylor, we have plans to deliver newest python-dbus in the next release of pymaemo | 19:36 |
| robtaylor | lucianomw: umm, i'm talking about the ctypes module that should be part of python2.5 | 19:37 |
| robtaylor | as python doesnt use pyrex internally, its not likely to be relevent.. | 19:37 |
| lucianomw | robtaylor, my mistake :) | 19:37 |
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| lucianomw | robtaylor, I was talking to aCiDBaSe | 19:42 |
| lucianomw | our build uses a modified libffi4 | 19:42 |
| robtaylor | aahh | 19:42 |
| lucianomw | based on this https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libffi4 | 19:42 |
| robtaylor | lucianomw: strange, why is it broken in the current build then? | 19:43 |
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| lucianomw | robtaylor, I don't know. we didn't have problems until now. | 19:43 |
| robtaylor | lucianomw: give it a try, python2.5 -c import ctypes | 19:44 |
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| lucianomw | >>> import ctypes | 19:45 |
| lucianomw | >>> | 19:45 |
| part | who came up with the idea that installing python (python2.5-runtime) should also install all the optional python modules? | 19:45 |
| robtaylor | lucianomw: is that osso11? | 19:45 |
| lucianomw | robtaylor, actually I'm working in the next release, but this one will just include new bindings. there's no modifications on python2.5 | 19:46 |
| robtaylor | well, 2.5.0-1osso11 from extras/bora certainly doesnt work | 19:47 |
| lucianomw | robtaylor, are you trying this in a device or scratchbox? I've tried in sbox | 19:49 |
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| robtaylor | sbox and device :/ | 19:52 |
| robtaylor | Traceback (most recent call last): | 19:52 |
| robtaylor | File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> | 19:52 |
| robtaylor | File "/usr/lib/python2.5/ctypes/__init__.py", line 10, in <module> | 19:52 |
| robtaylor | from _ctypes import Union, Structure, Array | 19:52 |
| robtaylor | ImportError: No module named _ctypes | 19:52 |
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| robtaylor | maybe that version want build with libffi4 installed? | 19:53 |
| robtaylor | *wasn't | 19:54 |
| lucianomw | robtaylor, yeah.. I got this on device, but without "from _ctypes import Union, Structure, Array" | 19:54 |
| lucianomw | robtaylor, maybe | 19:54 |
| robtaylor | i'll try building python with that installed | 19:54 |
| lucianomw | ok, I will do some attempts here too | 19:55 |
| koen | hey lucianomw | 19:57 |
| lucianomw | hey koen! how are you? | 19:58 |
| koen | great! | 19:58 |
| koen | and you? | 19:58 |
| lucianomw | fine.. enjoying the beaches and solving some pymaemo problems :) | 20:00 |
| koen | to quote Robot101: beaches and weed ;) | 20:00 |
| lucianomw | hehehe | 20:00 |
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| bjv | anyone offhand know how to resolve this apt-problem? | 20:02 |
| bjv | trying to install coreutils T_T | 20:03 |
| bjv | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 20:03 |
| bjv | osso-app-killer: Depends: osso-bttools but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages | 20:03 |
| part | bjv: why are you installing coreutils? | 20:03 |
| bjv | need to take the md5 sum of a file | 20:03 |
| bjv | apt-get install osso-bttools > gets me: osso-bttools is already the newest version. | 20:04 |
| bjv | i see old chatlogs in the google, but no solutions? | 20:04 |
| part | sbox? | 20:04 |
| bjv | !sbox | 20:05 |
| robtaylor | lucianomw: yeah, building with libffi4 installed fixes it | 20:05 |
| robtaylor | i'll update the build depends and put a fixed build up on my server | 20:05 |
| bjv | ok, no bot. what/how will sbox help me? | 20:06 |
| lucianomw | robtaylor, thanks! I will apply this in the next python release | 20:06 |
| bjv | scratchbox? | 20:06 |
| robtaylor | bjv: are you doing this in scratchbox or on teh device. | 20:06 |
| bjv | no, im on the device | 20:06 |
| zuh | bjv: have you tried 'apt-get install -f'? | 20:07 |
| part | bjv: yes, that's the other option if you are not using scratchbox | 20:07 |
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| robtaylor | wg 29 | 20:07 |
| part | bjv: installing coreutils will most probably result in having to reflash your device | 20:07 |
| bjv | install -f comes up with nothing | 20:08 |
| kakos | Does anyone know if the 52MHz kernel image is available for gregale? | 20:09 |
| kakos | The MMCPlus 52 MHz kernel image that is | 20:09 |
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| robtaylor | bjv, part: one option is rebuilding busybox with md5sum support switched on | 20:11 |
| bjv | i think in the past i just found a .deb out there and pulled the binary out | 20:11 |
| part | robtaylor: yeah, I was just checking if busybox would've had it in already | 20:11 |
| bjv | i was running the old OS 2006, before and think i had the same problem | 20:12 |
| part | dpkg doesn't provide md5sum either, but the device isn't targeted for development, the maemo sdk is for that | 20:14 |
| bjv | ok, found it on the wip wiki | 20:15 |
| bjv | http://files.ripnet.co.uk/files/770/coreutils-770-2006OS.zip | 20:15 |
| bjv | just an archive full of binaries | 20:15 |
| * bjv *doesnt fix the apt-weirdness | 20:16 | |
| bjv | is it 100% because to do something like install coreutils would really require a reflash? | 20:16 |
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| part | bjv: not sure, but I wouldn't do it unless I wouldn't mind flashing again, which I usually don't mind anyway | 20:26 |
| bjv | ive got one util i needed, so i guess im fine. | 20:27 |
| bjv | thx for being my sounding board. :o | 20:27 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 20:30 |
| kakos | Konichiwa | 20:32 |
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| robtaylor | lucianomw: ok, fixed python2.5 avail on http://codethink.co.uk/~robtaylor/repo/ | 20:34 |
| * robtaylor -> run | 20:34 | |
| lucianomw | cool | 20:37 |
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| bill20r3 | anyone tried the IT2007 update from the 23rd? is it worth bothering with? | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | the third os2007 release? | 20:48 |
| `0660 | yes, very much so | 20:48 |
| mgedmin | it is worth it for at least one bugfix: the dreaded cannot-unlock-keys-because-keys-do-not-work bug | 20:48 |
| bill20r3 | I dont know if it's the third or not, but I'm talking about this one here: http://www.maemo.org/#date_23032007 | 20:49 |
| mgedmin | it's extremely irritating when you cannot do anything but pull out the battery when that happens | 20:49 |
| bill20r3 | I was looking for a changelog, with no luck. | 20:49 |
| mgedmin | there was a short one somewhere | 20:49 |
| bill20r3 | that page lists like 4 things "better video" "bluetoothconnection", "Browser stability" and "", but no details. | 20:50 |
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| mgedmin | that's it | 20:51 |
| bill20r3 | ahh. | 20:52 |
| bill20r3 | I guess I'll flash it when I get home tonight. | 20:52 |
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| bill20r3 | does aircrack-ng actually work on the N800? | 21:16 |
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| maddler | heya! | 21:18 |
| maddler | bill20r3: yes... even if it could report some "garbage", along with real data... | 21:19 |
| bill20r3 | I'm just.. uh.. curious.. | 21:19 |
| bill20r3 | I assume the install involves a new wifi-driver kernel module. | 21:19 |
| maddler | hehe.. | 21:19 |
| maddler | btw... yes... it will work... :) | 21:21 |
| * bill20r3 looks for deb | 21:22 | |
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| maddler | http://www.komputika.net/maemo/ | 21:23 |
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| maddler | I didn't had the time to repackage a newer release... | 21:24 |
| bill20r3 | Oohh bash | 21:24 |
| maddler | hehe... | 21:25 |
| maddler | there is a bash-m package available from repositories... | 21:25 |
| maddler | bill20r3: https://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/maddraves | 21:26 |
| maddler | there is a post with an "extended" repositories list... | 21:26 |
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| maddler | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/maddraves/2007/02/07/a_complete_sources_list | 21:27 |
| maddler | once done, simply look for bash-m | 21:28 |
| maddler | oh... never (and I mean NEVER) change user's default shell! ;) | 21:28 |
| vidar | ... or make a typo in /home/user/.profile | 21:29 |
| vidar | reboot-cycle-land next. | 21:29 |
| maddler | hehehe... | 21:29 |
| Sonej | How do one fix that? vidar | 21:30 |
| maddler | vidar: what about messing up with rc.*? ;) | 21:30 |
| vidar | Sonej: i didn't. :/ had to reflash. | 21:30 |
| maddler | Sonej: reflash... | 21:30 |
| vidar | but i'm thinking about trying the entire-system-on-MMC thing. | 21:30 |
| Sonej | bricking it would suck | 21:30 |
| vidar | so even if i screw up something, i could mount the card and fix it from another computer. | 21:31 |
| maddler | vidar: yep, was condidering the same... to make tests and other dirty stuff! ;) | 21:31 |
| vidar | hehe, yep | 21:31 |
| vidar | also, the less wear and tear on the internal flash, the better. | 21:31 |
| vidar | and the MMC is supposedly a lot faster. | 21:31 |
| maddler | oh... I just bough a nice case for my N800! :D | 21:31 |
| vidar | so... win-win-win. :) | 21:32 |
| maddler | it was meant to be for NDS... | 21:32 |
| maddler | but it's ok for N800 as well... | 21:32 |
| maddler | I would buy some neoprene... or something like that... | 21:32 |
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| maddler | looks like N800 is thinner than NDS | 21:33 |
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| Tak|work | so, who's going to port aircrack-ptw? ;-) | 21:46 |
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| CraHan | for some reason the grsync menu entry doesn't start grsync, but when I launch the application from a terminal it works fine | 21:54 |
| CraHan | where's the info stored for the menu entry? | 21:54 |
| CraHan | maybe there's something wrong there | 21:54 |
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| sbaturzio | CraHan: what about reinstalling grsync? | 22:29 |
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| CraHan | sbaturzio: no change unfortunately | 22:40 |
| CraHan | uninstalled and reinstalled a few times now | 22:40 |
| CraHan | doesn't really change anything | 22:40 |
| CraHan | thanks for the tip though | 22:41 |
| sbaturzio | CraHan: mmm....look for a .desktop file in /usr/share/hildon* directories (don't remember exactly) | 22:42 |
| sbaturzio | something like grsync.desktop | 22:42 |
| CraHan | ok will do | 22:42 |
| lsobral | hi all, we have just released an update for Canola that fixes podcasting aborts in the new image of the N800! | 22:42 |
| sbaturzio | maybe you need to edit it | 22:42 |
| lsobral | here is the former bug link: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=detail&atid=529&aid=671&group_id=125 | 22:43 |
| lsobral | if you have experienced this bug, just check for updates in the application manager | 22:43 |
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| CraHan | sbaturzio: editing the desktop fixed it | 22:50 |
| CraHan | the exec and icon entries didn't contain the full path to the executable and icon | 22:50 |
| sbaturzio | CraHan: good! | 22:50 |
| CraHan | thanks for the help :) | 22:50 |
| sbaturzio | CraHan: np | 22:51 |
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| sbaturzio | CraHan: was looking in my grsync.desktop: there aren't path on icon and exec tags...but it works :-/ | 22:56 |
| CraHan | strange | 22:56 |
| CraHan | sbaturzio: does it show the correct icon too? | 23:00 |
| sbaturzio | mmm....now that you tell me...no | 23:01 |
| sbaturzio | it start the program but the icon is the default one | 23:01 |
| maddler | nice... changing themes default fontsize is easier than on 770... :D | 23:01 |
| maddler | plankton theme with 12pt fonts is (if possible) even better! :D | 23:01 |
| florian | re | 23:02 |
| maddler | hi florian | 23:02 |
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| Pupnik | anybody using gmyth or some other means to watch TV on the 770/800? | 23:09 |
| etrunko | Pupnik: maybe MoRpHeUz | 23:16 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 23:16 |
| MoRpHeUz | Pupnik: any problem ? =) | 23:16 |
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| sbaturzio | CraHan: let me see: I've changed the /usr/share/applications/hildon/grsync.desktop changin the icon line, now it shows the complete path to grsync.icon | 23:22 |
| sbaturzio | but I see no changes, even after a reboot | 23:22 |
| CraHan | no, you need to set the icon name to grsync | 23:22 |
| CraHan | no extension, no path | 23:22 |
| sbaturzio | ah | 23:22 |
| CraHan | then it shows the icon | 23:22 |
| sbaturzio | let me see | 23:22 |
| CraHan | Icon=grsync | 23:22 |
| sbaturzio | Aha! You're right! | 23:23 |
| CraHan | hehe | 23:23 |
| sbaturzio | now let me reboot and let see if simple-launcher update its icons... | 23:23 |
| CraHan | I looked at the leafpad.desktop entry | 23:23 |
| CraHan | ok | 23:24 |
| sbaturzio | boys...the LCARS theme rocks! | 23:24 |
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| sbaturzio | yes...rebooting update the simple-launcher : perfect1 | 23:25 |
| sbaturzio | ! | 23:25 |
| MoRpHeUz | Pupnik: are you there ? | 23:26 |
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| Pupnik | hi MoRpHeUz yeah | 23:32 |
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| Pupnik | was just postnig to internettablettalk... so you can change channels and watch transcoded tv now? from the 770? | 23:32 |
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| MoRpHeUz | well...you can do that using gmyth with an analog tv card...with a digital tv card you need to use gmyth-stream to transcode and stream the video transcoded... | 23:36 |
| bipolar | Pupnik, MoRpHeUz: I gotta have it :) | 23:36 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 23:37 |
| bipolar | Are their prebuilt mameo packages yet? | 23:37 |
| MoRpHeUz | not yet.. | 23:37 |
| Pupnik | MoRpHeUz: i've got the hauppauge 500 which saves as mpeg2 stream (hw encoding) | 23:37 |
| Pupnik | you know that card? | 23:37 |
| MoRpHeUz | probably there will be soon ;-) | 23:37 |
| bipolar | MoRpHeUz: cool | 23:37 |
| MoRpHeUz | Pupnik: have heard about... | 23:37 |
| MoRpHeUz | you can do something like this: | 23:37 |
| MoRpHeUz | (note that there is no ui that does this automatically for you... _yet_ _ | 23:37 |
| MoRpHeUz | start mythtv server | 23:38 |
| MoRpHeUz | start livetv either using gmyth or mythtv 's frontend.. | 23:38 |
| MoRpHeUz | then you need to discover the file where mythtv is writing the video....gmyth has a function that does that for you.. usually it's "chanid_YYYYMMDDHHMMSS.nuv" | 23:39 |
| MoRpHeUz | where the last part of file name is the date/hour when it started playing the chanid | 23:39 |
| MoRpHeUz | then it's easy to use gmyth-stream to transcode and stream that for you.... | 23:40 |
| MoRpHeUz | maybe soon there will be an application that does all this for you.. ;-) | 23:40 |
| Pupnik | ok thanks that helps a lot. i haven't used mythtv yet (just wrote my own shellscript to start recordings from tvgrab.de) | 23:40 |
| Pupnik | so that's huge - gives me the overview i need before i start reading mythtv howtos for 47 hours | 23:41 |
| MoRpHeUz | Pupnik: well...as mencoder supports reading directly from your tv tuner, gmyth-streamer is also capable of doing that directly | 23:41 |
| MoRpHeUz | without mythtv | 23:41 |
| Pupnik | aha! | 23:42 |
| MoRpHeUz | I'll post news on my blog as soon as I have them! keep in touch! =) | 23:42 |
| Pupnik | and changing channels is possible from 770 ? | 23:42 |
| Pupnik | ok :) | 23:42 |
| bipolar | MoRpHeUz: sounds awesome :) | 23:43 |
| Pupnik | it is a killer app :) | 23:43 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) thanks! | 23:43 |
| bipolar | now if only Kontact would get ported.... | 23:43 |
| MoRpHeUz | must thanks k-s[WORK] and Chenca also... they are helping a lot! | 23:43 |
| Pupnik | thanks k-s[WORK] and Chenca :) | 23:44 |
| bipolar | ditto :) | 23:44 |
| MoRpHeUz | hehe | 23:44 |
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| MoRpHeUz | =P | 23:44 |
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| Pupnik | bipolar: KDE is a bloated big and no good for portable devices, IMO | 23:45 |
| Pupnik | and since hildon is related to GTK, it would make more sense to find a GTK-based contact manager | 23:46 |
| sbaturzio | is there a way to add/remove lines to /etc/hosts depending of wlan connection? | 23:46 |
| bipolar | Pupnik: kde has already been ported and run on the n800, and aparently runs fine. | 23:47 |
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| Pupnik | bipolar: that surprises me, since it is slow on my pentium 3 900 :) | 23:47 |
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| MoRpHeUz | there are some screenshots about kde running on n800..just forget the name of the guy that did that.. | 23:48 |
| bipolar | Pupnik: I have always found kde faster then gnome, I don't know why so many people have diffrent experiances. it's strange | 23:48 |
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| bipolar | MoRpHeUz: kkito. He built it. | 23:49 |
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| Pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=39898 | 23:49 |
| bipolar | He hasn't been on in a while.... http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=kkito | 23:50 |
| bipolar | I've been trying to get ahold of him, since it seems he made a breakthough with hildon integration. | 23:50 |
| Pupnik | heh... crazy | 23:51 |
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| bipolar | Kontact would solve my bigest ever problems with handhelds.... sync w/ PIM software. | 23:52 |
| Pupnik | do you know how large the install of KDE+libs etc is for the 800? | 23:52 |
| k-s[WORK] | MoRpHeUz: it's kkito | 23:53 |
| bipolar | Pupnik: not really sure. | 23:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | Pupnik: kkito had whole kde4 running in less than 800mb | 23:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | but he had to compile a lot of duplicate libraries, new version of those on device | 23:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | data and stuff | 23:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | he promised me to provide a more acceptable build as soon as kde4 enters feature freeze, so later this year | 23:54 |
| Pupnik | thanks k-s[WORK] see what i mean by 'bloated pig' bipolar? :) | 23:54 |
| k-s[WORK] | Pupnik: actually, trying to get whole gnome cvs to run wouldn't be much smaller | 23:55 |
| bipolar | Pupnik: that was unstripped I'm sure | 23:55 |
| bipolar | Pupnik: plus it was KDE 4 from svn. | 23:55 |
| Pupnik | i'm sure some people are going to love it, but you see it's not a PDA environment | 23:56 |
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| bipolar | Pupnik: depends on your definition of a PDA enviroment :) | 23:57 |
| Pupnik | a pda WM (like the newton) can fit into a couple of megabytes or less | 23:57 |
| koen | running desktop stuff like kde4 and gnome is a developer toy | 23:57 |
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| koen | Pupnik: you can get X + matchbox + rxvt in 2MB of flash | 23:57 |
| koen | (I would like something as integrated as newton, though) | 23:58 |
| k-s[WORK] | koen: :-D | 23:59 |
| Pupnik | what about ripping out whatever kontakt does to sync with PIMs and including it into a native hildon contact manager? | 23:59 |
| koen | you mean opensync? | 23:59 |
| Tak|work | haha, 800mb | 23:59 |
| bipolar | Pupnik: It's a lot more compicated then that. | 23:59 |
| Pupnik | ok, i'm ignorant about all the PDA-ish apps | 23:59 |
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