| bipolar | Pupnik: Kontact works for me becouse it is a full client for my Kolab based server | 00:00 |
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| Tak|work | I thought he had it running on a stock n800 | 00:00 |
| bipolar | Tak|work: he did | 00:00 |
| bipolar | Tak|work: off of an SD card | 00:00 |
| Tak|work | rootfs on sd isn't stock | 00:00 |
| bipolar | He might have been using rootfs, or he might have built it to run off the SD card | 00:00 |
| koen | reminds me of this gentoo person, he said "your 16MB image is too bloated, I'll make one with gentoo" 3 weeks later he comes back to show us his 'optimized' and 'smaller' image, which was 300MB.... | 00:00 |
| bipolar | Besides, it won't be that big when it's done. | 00:00 |
| koen | bipolar: too many people think that the only thing a 'pda port' needs is an onscreen keyboard | 00:01 |
| bipolar | koen: hehe... yeah. | 00:01 |
| koen | bipolar: maybe toss in some 'uclibc' and '-Os' as well | 00:03 |
| bipolar | koen: *cringe* uclibc.... | 00:03 |
| koen | Ultra Castrated Libc | 00:03 |
| bipolar | thats the magic pixxy dust right there..... | 00:03 |
| bipolar | koen: I'm just glad that these things are getting more powerful. The zaurus would have been much better off with 256MB of flash :P | 00:04 |
| koen | maybe | 00:05 |
| bipolar | wifi and bluetooth too. | 00:05 |
| bipolar | I still have mine... sits in my drawer | 00:05 |
| bipolar | with the even older iPaq, or whats left of it. | 00:05 |
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| * koen has a toy graveyard for that | 00:06 | |
| bipolar | heh | 00:06 |
| bipolar | I have more of a mausoleum :P | 00:06 |
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| dragorn | uclibc isn't too bad | 00:07 |
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| koen | dragorn: it's great for stuff without an upgrade path | 00:07 |
| koen | since the ABI changes each release | 00:08 |
| dragorn | yeah, the lack of binary compatibility is a problem | 00:08 |
| koen | would be great for maemo ;) | 00:08 |
| bipolar | lol | 00:08 |
| koen | 1 year later and I still can't upgrade my device via apt and/or the package manager | 00:08 |
| dev | could someone with a N770 and python installed pls do an import platform;platform.uname() | 00:08 |
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| bipolar | I still wonder why nokia didn't just put in enough flash to use a bootloader, then put the root file system on an SD card from the factory. Can anyone think of a reason? | 00:09 |
| koen | bipolar: deadlines | 00:09 |
| koen | or laywers | 00:10 |
| dragorn | probably for fear of people pulling the card out to replace it and not copying it | 00:10 |
| shackan | lawyers?? | 00:10 |
| florian | hi jpetersen | 00:10 |
| jpetersen | hi | 00:10 |
| bipolar | dragorn: but, they would still have the orig card... ? | 00:10 |
| dragorn | jffs isn't very good at being read in windows systems, either, which makes copying it to a larger flash problematic | 00:10 |
| dragorn | bipolar: Oh, i'm not saying it's impossible | 00:10 |
| dragorn | bipolar: I'm just offering possible reasons | 00:10 |
| dragorn | bipolar: non-tech users would have a real issue | 00:10 |
| bipolar | dragorn: I see.... | 00:11 |
| dragorn | s/would/could/ | 00:11 |
| koen | dragorn: you don't use jffs(2) on an sd card..... | 00:11 |
| etrunko | dev: which should be the results? | 00:11 |
| koen | since cards are 1) block devices and b) do their own wear leveling | 00:11 |
| dragorn | koen: if you wanted to use it as your root you probably would want to. Even if you use ext or something else you still have the windows problem | 00:11 |
| dev | I want to see what it returns on a N770 | 00:11 |
| dev | on a N800 we have ('Linux', 'Nokia-N800-10', '2.6.18-omap1', '#2 Wed Mar 7 15:36:09 EET 2007', 'armv6l', ”) | 00:12 |
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| dev | and we need some simple detection that we are running on Maemo | 00:12 |
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| etrunko | ('Linux', 'Nokia770-49','2.6.16.27-omap1', '#1 PREEMPT Wed Nov 29 16:29:50 EET 2006', 'armv5tej1', '') | 00:13 |
| koen | dev: device != platform | 00:13 |
| koen | dev: people can run say KDE on their device | 00:14 |
| koen | so uname is a pretty bad check | 00:14 |
| etrunko | dev: in a simple check you could try importing hildon | 00:14 |
| daniels | isn't there /etc/maemo_version or something? | 00:14 |
| dragorn | koen: anyhow i'm not saying it's an insurmountable problem - obviously since ppl have done it - simply offering reasons doing it out of the box could be an issue to support | 00:14 |
| daniels | bipolar: as you can see from the disassembly photos, the omap package comes stacked with flash | 00:15 |
| etrunko | dev: at least its not usual to have hildon runing on desktop (yet) | 00:15 |
| dev | etrunko: yep, we need to refine this, but for a start it might be ok | 00:15 |
| etrunko | agreed | 00:17 |
| bipolar | daniels: omap package? | 00:17 |
| dev | thx! | 00:18 |
| daniels | bipolar: the omap is more or less a system on a chip. the cpu, gpu, flash, ram, 3d accelerator, basically everything but any radios (e.g. wifi, bluetooth) and usb | 00:18 |
| bipolar | daniels: ahh.. thanks for the explination. So it's like a hardware reference board? | 00:20 |
| etrunko | dev: np | 00:20 |
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| killfill | hello | 00:20 |
| killfill | i just recieve my N800 | 00:21 |
| killfill | :-)) | 00:21 |
| bipolar | killfill: congratz! | 00:21 |
| daniels | bipolar: not quite, ti have their own hardware reference boards. it's just everything packed into a tiny little chip for reasons of power consumption, heat dissipation, not needing complex interlinks, etc. | 00:21 |
| killfill | how much time should i charge the battery the first time?... | 00:21 |
| bipolar | daniels: ok. thanks again! :) | 00:21 |
| daniels | killfill: until it says 'battery full', but don't worry about pulling it out immediately, since it stops charging when it's full. | 00:21 |
| daniels | bipolar: np | 00:21 |
| killfill | daniels: oh.. its not like i should charge it for 6hours the first time? | 00:22 |
| killfill | ive hear ppl say that.. (for cel phones tho) | 00:22 |
| daniels | bipolar: it won't make any difference, since it stops charging as soon as it hits 100% anyway | 00:22 |
| bipolar | .. | 00:23 |
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| killfill | daniels: you charged your the first time until it said battery full?.. and it works ok?.. :) (just making meself sure.. dont wana broke the battery..) | 00:24 |
| * konttori updated https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1205/Urho-Konttoris-MediaCenter-1.0preview20.deb | 00:24 | |
| bipolar | killfill: it's not a problem. If it says it's full, its full :) | 00:24 |
| konttori | Just a small gfx tweak / one bug fix | 00:25 |
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| killfill | aah ok :) | 00:25 |
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| bill20r3 | are there screenshots somewhere? | 00:25 |
| daniels | bipolar: well, most of the time i use it, i don't actually have a battery in ;) plus i've had six of them, so i can't really give you any compelling stats on how it affects battery life. | 00:25 |
| bipolar | daniels: you mean that for killfill? | 00:26 |
| killfill | all other ppl tell me to get ir plugged 6hr's.. :P | 00:27 |
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| daniels | bipolar: yes | 00:27 |
| daniels | bipolar: sorry, i'm not at all with it today. i forgot which floor of my apartment building i lived on. | 00:28 |
| Piega` | info | 00:28 |
| bipolar | daniels: haha | 00:28 |
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| florian | hi jamey | 00:48 |
| jamey | hi florian | 00:49 |
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| Pupnik | KDE on a PDA is like a hippopotamus on a motor-scooter. | 01:14 |
| dragorn | Hilarious? :P | 01:14 |
| Pupnik | :) | 01:15 |
| Pupnik | ... wearing a tutu | 01:15 |
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| Pupnik | dev> could someone with a N770 and python installed pls do an import platform;platform.uname()? <-- did you get an answer to this? | 01:26 |
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| klam | need these gone 2 dell xps m1710 350 for one 500 for 2, 1 apple macbook black for 600 MSN Solutions1981@hotmail.com or aim: solutions1981 | 01:29 |
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| Pupnik | klam that seems very cheap for the xps | 01:30 |
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| thoughtfix | Oh my | 01:32 |
| thoughtfix | I just wander in and already we call the police? | 01:33 |
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| Pupnik | somebody spamming channels, selling a 1600-2000 euro laptop for 350 | 01:33 |
| thoughtfix | Doh | 01:33 |
| Pupnik | obviously stolen goods | 01:33 |
| thoughtfix | Oh - if you see all-too-good deals on TabletKiosk slate tablets, they had a warehouse robbery and are still attempting to recover the goods. | 01:34 |
| Pupnik | k | 01:34 |
| Pupnik | nothing on ebay.de | 01:34 |
| soothsay | I don't have a wireless access point but my computer has a wireless card. Does anyone know an easy way to 'share' (bridge) the wireless connection so it behave like an access point? | 01:35 |
| soothsay | On Ubuntu | 01:35 |
| thoughtfix | I am re-branding, by the way. I'll still be known as thoughtfix, of course, but my site will http://tabletblog.com/ | 01:35 |
| Pupnik | soothsay, dunno about that but your keyword is "hostap" | 01:36 |
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| Pupnik | thoughtfix nice blog | 01:36 |
| thoughtfix | Oh thanks | 01:36 |
| soothsay | Pupnik: Thanks | 01:37 |
| Pupnik | thoughtfix: have you looked at 'nogravity'? it'd be playable on a 770 if the ship models were simpler (less textures, polys) | 01:38 |
| thoughtfix | pupnik: I wish I could code - I'd be porting stuff like mad. I've heard of nogravity but never played it | 01:38 |
| Pupnik | yeah, i don't think anybody competent has time or motivation to re-code nogravity | 01:40 |
| Pupnik | but repackaging the ship models with simpler ones wouldn't require coding | 01:40 |
| Pupnik | i'll mail the nogravity devs and ask if they're interested | 01:40 |
| thoughtfix | They probably wouldn't be ... it's a lot of work for such a niche market. | 01:41 |
| Pupnik | game runs at decent fps (10-15) when far away from objects | 01:41 |
| Pupnik | oh if they let me at the data, i'll do it | 01:41 |
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| Pupnik | it's the only 3D non-FPS game i know of for maemo | 01:44 |
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| chx | hi. anyone tried http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ this with Nokia N800? | 01:47 |
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| thoughtfix | chx: I haven't tried it with an N800, but they're unreliable and have no tactile feedback. It'd be fun in a dark coffee shop but forget typing in daylight. | 01:53 |
| chx | thoughtfix: thanks. oh hey, you are the guy with uberblog about the Nokia 770/N800? | 01:54 |
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| thoughtfix | uberblog? I just write ;) | 01:54 |
| chx | but it's very good, congratulations | 01:54 |
| thoughtfix | But yes... There is one thoughtfix in the world. | 01:54 |
| thoughtfix | Thanks | 01:54 |
| thoughtfix | But the compliments should go to developers. All I do is show off the stuff THEY do. | 01:55 |
| chx | so, here is my gripe: I would like to create a _very_ small laptop. Just the N800 and a foldable BT keyboard | 01:55 |
| chx | any ideas? | 01:55 |
| Pupnik | heh that keyboard + nokia tablet would be killer conversation starters at bars | 01:55 |
| Pupnik | yeah, buy a n800 and a bt keyboard and duct tape them together | 01:55 |
| bill20r3 | "So, I see that you're a huge nerd..." | 01:55 |
| thoughtfix | hahahahahaha | 01:55 |
| thoughtfix | oh man | 01:55 |
| thoughtfix | I bring my tablets and stuff to coffee shops and bars while I write. They ARE big conversation pieces | 01:56 |
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| thoughtfix | but I think they renewed my virginity card. | 01:56 |
| thoughtfix | Funny how my card got revoked, then reinstated | 01:56 |
| Pupnik | i have actually been chatted up by women "ooh that's so cuuute!" | 01:56 |
| thoughtfix | I got a lot more of it when I was evaluating the Kohjinsha SA1 for ultramobilegeek but that's only because it's more recognizable as a "computer" than are slate tablets. | 01:57 |
| chx | btw. I want http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/samsung_sphp9000_wimax_pda_puts_umpcs_to_shame.php this but until I can get one, I will need to mimic it with an N800 and a BT keyword. | 01:57 |
| thoughtfix | The problem with very small slate tablets is that people assume pocketable touchscreen devices are just PDAs and are nothing special | 01:58 |
| thoughtfix | chx: The keyboard gap would annoy me .. not to mention that oh-so-tiny screen. | 01:58 |
| Pupnik | if they look at the screen in-use they quickly 'get it', in my experience | 01:58 |
| thoughtfix | My current Object O' Lust is the OQO 02. I am talking to Dynamism now... but the model+accessories I want are over $2500 | 01:59 |
| chx | thoughtfix: so, let's suppose a Sierra BT keyboard and an N800 -- how could one keep them together? | 02:00 |
| thoughtfix | Do you really need to? | 02:00 |
| Pupnik | i wonder how that laser keyboard can differentiate between fingers resting over a 'key' and a finger pressing a 'key' | 02:00 |
| thoughtfix | The N800 has a stand... are you planning on using it in your lap? | 02:00 |
| thoughtfix | Pupnik: Motion. It pays attention to where your finger stops. | 02:01 |
| Pupnik | chx: to use the 770+bt keyboard on my lap, i rest it on a backpack or tote-bag | 02:02 |
| chx | thoughtfix: i was imagining using it basically everywhere -- yes, for example my lap, the problem is that if I have two devices then you need a table | 02:02 |
| Pupnik | chx, a device that clamps the two together would be a nice accessory product | 02:03 |
| thoughtfix | chx: If you want to settle down for some long writing, find a table. If you're replying to an IM, use the on-screen keyboaord. That's how I do it ;) I can't imagine the N800 ever being comfortable on my lap | 02:03 |
| thoughtfix | HOWEVER | 02:03 |
| thoughtfix | My Stowaway keyboard (Not the Sierra - the grey one) has a flip-out stand. | 02:03 |
| Pupnik | yep same here, it's what i use on my lap | 02:04 |
| thoughtfix | This one: http://www.thinkoutside.com/products/xtbtue/stowawaybt_product.html | 02:04 |
| Pupnik | I really use the 770 as a laptop replacement | 02:04 |
| chx | Pupnik: that's what I want to do. My 2.25lbs laptop is heavy | 02:04 |
| chx | so buy the iGo™ Stowaway® Ultra-Slim Bluetooth® and not the Sierra because it's smaller and has a stand? workable idea... | 02:05 |
| thoughtfix | John Tokash and I were going to design a 2-tablet clamshell where the 770 was an input device for the N800, but the developers of xkbd didn't care to extend the bluetooth stack to support the N800 :( | 02:05 |
| thoughtfix | chx: How old are you? ;) | 02:05 |
| thoughtfix | 2.25lbs = heavy? ;) | 02:06 |
| chx | 32 years | 02:06 |
| chx | heavier than the N800 :P | 02:06 |
| Pupnik | You could modify the BT Stowaway clamp-on stand to have a bigger footprint, to rest more stably on your legs. Then extend the top of the stand to clamp-in the nokia | 02:06 |
| thoughtfix | Then again, I weigh 250 lbs so it's all relative. | 02:06 |
| * Pupnik hands chx some epoxy and tongue-depressors | 02:06 | |
| * chx is a bit less than 100kg. have no idea of what's that in lbs. | 02:06 | |
| chx | haha you use tongue depressors to hack such an expensive keyboard? | 02:07 |
| chx | blimey! | 02:07 |
| Pupnik | actually i'm looking at it now | 02:07 |
| thoughtfix | Hey... I use Penguin Mint tins for my hacking | 02:07 |
| Pupnik | ok, chx do you have a bt stowaway? | 02:10 |
| chx | Pupnik: not yet. I arrived in Berkeley on Sunday | 02:10 |
| chx | Pupnik: I am now planning the next steps | 02:11 |
| Pupnik | all the stand needs is a piece of velcro on the bottom | 02:11 |
| Pupnik | and a little board stuck to that wide enough to rest on your knees | 02:11 |
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| chx | ah, tricky | 02:11 |
| chx | so it's not the keyboard that balances the full weight of the n800 | 02:11 |
| chx | but you rest it on your legs | 02:11 |
| * chx nods slowly | 02:12 | |
| Pupnik | right now the weight of the 770 resting on the stand pushes it back, and the stand doesn't rest on anything | 02:12 |
| * bill20r3 backs away, slowly. | 02:12 | |
| thoughtfix | Hmm | 02:13 |
| thoughtfix | I suggest you get an Eleksen fabric keyboard | 02:13 |
| chx | I am a bit unsure though | 02:13 |
| thoughtfix | ... for every shirt, jacket, and pair of pants you own ... | 02:14 |
| chx | I might get a CF card , replace the hard disk in my laptop with that | 02:14 |
| chx | thoughtfix: :D | 02:14 |
| chx | and then I am fairly good without hacking anything | 02:14 |
| chx | I even have a CF reader in the notebook, so that might be easy | 02:14 |
| thoughtfix | Kind of expensive, but it does the job! | 02:14 |
| Pupnik | ah i see how it could work | 02:14 |
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| Pupnik | get one of those small hinges for mini-cabinets | 02:15 |
| chx | just yesterday there was the guy who did solder 44 wires to replace a Toshiba 1.8" HDD like mine with a CF card | 02:15 |
| chx | it was freaky :P | 02:15 |
| Pupnik | screw two plastic pieces, equal to the size of the folded bt keyboard, to each side of the hinge | 02:15 |
| thoughtfix | chx: You saw my nokbook right? | 02:15 |
| chx | Pupnik: yes...? | 02:15 |
| chx | thoughtfix: that was a bit big | 02:16 |
| thoughtfix | Big? It was HUGE! | 02:16 |
| thoughtfix | And kinda ugly too ;) | 02:16 |
| chx | the one that you made from a CD case if I remember | 02:16 |
| Pupnik | so when the hinged assembly is folded out, the two pieces rest against each other and can't bend beyond straight | 02:16 |
| Pio | user@Nokia770-39:~$ ./aircrack-ptw | 02:16 |
| Pio | This is aircrack-ptw 1.0.0 | 02:16 |
| thoughtfix | yessir | 02:16 |
| Pio | yay! | 02:16 |
| chx | OH MINE! | 02:16 |
| Pupnik | then put one side of the velcro on the edges opposite the hinge, the other side of the velcro on the bottom of the bt keyboard stand | 02:16 |
| chx | aircrack-ptw is not even out for a week | 02:16 |
| chx | and you guys already ported it? | 02:16 |
| chx | how long does it take to crack a pwd :P ? | 02:17 |
| Pupnik | and voila you've got a stable kneepad that doesn't take up more space than the folded bt keyboard | 02:17 |
| Pio | supposed takes a tenth as many IVs | 02:17 |
| Pio | not sure how long to expect it to take... but i did see this: http://www.mulliner.org/blog/ | 02:17 |
| Pio | "Aircrack-ptw cracks WEP in 19 Seconds on my N800" | 02:17 |
| * chx has a http://www.samsung.com/he/products/notebookcomputer/q_series/np_q30.asp disguised as a Dell X1 -- and can't decide whether he wants to hack together a smaller laptop based on N800 or not. | 02:17 | |
| chx | lol | 02:17 |
| thoughtfix | Well | 02:18 |
| soothsay | Are replacing the kernel and flashing independent operations? | 02:18 |
| Pupnik | without packet injection, most home wlans will be uncrackeable | 02:18 |
| thoughtfix | I got rid of my laptop and take my N800 EVERYWHERE and take my UMPC everwhere the laptop used to go and more. | 02:18 |
| Pio | Pupnik, not if you only need a couple thousand IVs | 02:18 |
| Pio | http://pio.longstair.com/misc/aircrack-ptw | 02:18 |
| thoughtfix | Packet injection is naughty | 02:19 |
| Pupnik | cracking wlans is naughty | 02:19 |
| Pupnik | In Germany, the legal status is kind of obscure. Sadly there appears to be no legal way to even set up an open wlan where any passerby can use the internet. | 02:22 |
| Pupnik | This of course is really lame. If I lived near a park or marketplace, i'd want to provide an open hotspot (with traffic limiting) to any passerby. I should have that right, since i've PAID for the bandwidth. | 02:23 |
| Pupnik | But of course, freedom is a naughty word in Germany. | 02:24 |
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| Pupnik | It's part of the "Lets create artifical barriers and hurdles, so things that should be cheap or free, are expensive! This creates jobs!" | 02:26 |
| Pupnik | It's literally a translation of marxist philosphy, in which doing something inefficiently 'creates jobs'. | 02:26 |
| chx | it's a very interesting debate -- what you have paid for? it has nothing to do with your freedom much more with the greediness of ISPs | 02:28 |
| chx | if your contract says, you can't share your network outside of your home as it often does, tough luck | 02:28 |
| Pio | cracking WEP is one thing, but open APs should be free-for-all | 02:29 |
| chx | of course, such contracts does not stop foneros to set up routers and say 'oh. sorry. i could not stop the radio waves at the walls of my home.' | 02:29 |
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| * thoughtfix loves his WPA/PSK | 02:30 | |
| Pupnik | That's true chx - theres the ISP contract on one side. But german lawmakers/judges have also stated that anonymous internet access WLANs are 'too dangerous' because 'terrorists' could use them for anonymized communications. | 02:30 |
| Pupnik | So they are cracking down on internet cafes, trying to force them to register all users and require ID. | 02:31 |
| chx | Pupnik: really? that's nasty | 02:31 |
| * chx is from Hungary | 02:31 | |
| Pupnik | Unfortunately this *is* on-topic for tablet users, because it restricts the usefulness of our devices. | 02:32 |
| Pupnik | I could of course purchase a UMTS phone and pay another 45 euro/month for roaming access with the n770 | 02:32 |
| Pupnik | But technically there's no reason or need for that. Just allow WLAN aps to broadcast at 1000mw instead of 100mw, and legalize open hotspots | 02:33 |
| Pupnik | then you'd see tons of free spots all over german cities | 02:34 |
| Pupnik | what's the law like in Hungary, chx? | 02:35 |
| * florian thinks that the situation in Germany is a little bit different | 02:35 | |
| florian | iirc there is no law that forbids you to share your internet connection unless you charge for it. | 02:36 |
| florian | *but* in the end you are responsible to some extent if someone breaks the law using your connection. | 02:37 |
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| Pupnik | florian: i think that's correct | 02:38 |
| chx | something like that | 02:38 |
| chx | well | 02:38 |
| chx | most contracts says you are ok if you share within the same household | 02:39 |
| chx | but it's not supported | 02:39 |
| chx | and also | 02:39 |
| florian | I live in a bigger town and have an open accesspoint for ages... | 02:39 |
| Pupnik | so you have no 'common carrier' protection. The phone company isn't responsible for criminals using the phones. The post office isn't responsible for criminals using mail. But *you* are responsible for criminals using your hotspot. | 02:39 |
| chx | it's impossible to check | 02:39 |
| chx | Pupnik: (playin devil's advocate) because phone company must provide service to everyone. you are not. | 02:39 |
| florian | chx: right, that's another point... most contracts do not allow this. | 02:40 |
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| Pupnik | chx: you make an interesting piont | 02:41 |
| Pupnik | but to me, i think of an open hotspot as a public service that i offer to the community. i shouldn't be sued for doing something good. | 02:42 |
| florian | Pupnik: Capitalism does not care about the community ;) | 02:43 |
| rev | indeed | 02:45 |
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| Pupnik | the ISP contract is a capitalism issue. the lack of common carrier protection is a statist issue. | 02:45 |
| florian | Germany lacks protection for many many things... | 02:47 |
| florian | (and from some things... ) | 02:47 |
| Pupnik | florian, that's why i like the CCC. They are kind of like germany's EFF. | 02:47 |
| florian | :-) | 02:47 |
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| Pupnik | From the inquirer review: "Nobody seems to have ported the POSE PalmOS emulator to the N800 yet. " | 03:13 |
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| Pupnik | hrm, i see a ton of palmOS apps | 03:18 |
| Pupnik | freshmeat, sourceforge... but no emulator for palmOS itself | 03:18 |
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| Pupnik | oh it does.. http://sourceforge.net/projects/pose/ | 03:24 |
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| rev | you need a POS image to use it | 03:31 |
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| rev | which used to be easily gotten from the palm source site... old urls are dead though no, not sure where to find them at access, unfortunately | 03:31 |
| Pupnik | ah. have you looked into compiling the emu? | 03:32 |
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| rev | i've not, no | 03:32 |
| rev | but i've no need to run POS aps myself | 03:32 |
| rev | i am waiting with baited breath for whenever paul guyot gets around to porting the Newton OS emulator to the N800 though, bu that is closed source :( | 03:32 |
| rev | but Einstein (the newton emulator), unlike the POS emu, can run at any resolution, so we won't be stuck with 320x320 inside the 800x480 screen :) | 03:33 |
| Pupnik | looking at POSE it looks like a hardware emu. Too bad - a PalmOS API emu would be a lot faster (like WINE) | 03:33 |
| Pupnik | ahh | 03:33 |
| rev | yeah | 03:34 |
| Pupnik | i see someone ported UAE to palmos? How fast were those palm devices? | 03:34 |
| rev | really? wow... heh. | 03:36 |
| rev | well, the fastest POS device was maybe 200-400 MHz ARM | 03:36 |
| rev | but maybe UAE for PalmOS just virtualizes the CPU and runs on Palm's very fast 68k emulator, or directly on one of the old Palm 68k CPUs? | 03:37 |
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| Pupnik | No idea. But emulating a 200-400mhz arm on a 250mhz arm doesn't sound like a good plan to me. | 03:38 |
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| rev | well | 03:39 |
| rev | that wouldn't be the idea so much | 03:39 |
| rev | that was the fast-end of palm os hjardware | 03:39 |
| rev | the low end was 8 or 16 MHz | 03:40 |
| rev | m68k | 03:40 |
| rev | and the N800/770 could do that just fine | 03:40 |
| Pupnik | searching... i see in 2001 there was a dragonball vz @ 33mhz with 8MB | 03:40 |
| Pupnik | yep | 03:40 |
| rev | i've run PalmOS emulators on WinCE machines just fine | 03:40 |
| rev | the only software on palm os that uses that kind of speed are 3d games, shooters, etc | 03:41 |
| rev | i've run most palm os programs that i used on my 200 mhz arm sony clie also on my 66 MHz PalmOS watch | 03:41 |
| Pupnik | do you know if the palms had networking? | 03:41 |
| rev | including an office suite, with no big speed problems | 03:42 |
| Pupnik | i see irda | 03:42 |
| rev | Pupnik: somewhat, but it wasn't great | 03:42 |
| rev | Pupnik: there are newer palm units with wifi and celluar networking | 03:42 |
| Pupnik | were you able to do any syncing of data with the POSE emulator? | 03:42 |
| rev | i don't think so, no | 03:42 |
| rev | you can install packages into it, save databases | 03:42 |
| rev | it'd be easy to keep backups of the data inside it | 03:43 |
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| Pupnik | http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/palmos41.html | 03:46 |
| rev | ? | 03:47 |
| rev | you can't use that for the emulator | 03:47 |
| rev | that's a patch for palm devices | 03:47 |
| rev | not an OS image | 03:47 |
| Pupnik | argh | 03:47 |
| rev | i'll find iti f you want | 03:48 |
| rev | one sec | 03:48 |
| rev | http://www.access-company.com/developers/ | 03:48 |
| rev | you have to do it thru there | 03:48 |
| rev | make an account etc | 03:48 |
| Pupnik | i see some downloads available w/o login | 03:50 |
| Pupnik | garnet OS ... | 03:50 |
| Pupnik | is that it? | 03:50 |
| rev | garnet is what you want yeah | 03:50 |
| rev | garnet is Palm OS 1-5.4 | 03:50 |
| Pupnik | http://www.access-company.com/downloads/PODS_1_2_OpenSrc_Orig_Mods.zip | 03:50 |
| Pupnik | that? | 03:50 |
| rev | Cobalt is the big rewrite of Palm OS, = palm os 6, which hasn't come out on any device yet... you can run it on their simulator, but it won't be used on POSE | 03:50 |
| rev | thatr doesn't sound like it, but i'll look when it finishes | 03:51 |
| rev | no, those are dev tool | 03:53 |
| rev | no OS images | 03:53 |
| rev | well | 03:55 |
| rev | are you registering? | 03:55 |
| rev | because i just did | 03:56 |
| Pupnik | registered now | 03:56 |
| rev | if you haven't or don't want to, i'll uipload an image for you | 03:56 |
| rev | ah ok | 03:56 |
| rev | cool | 03:56 |
| Pupnik | looking for the os | 03:56 |
| Pupnik | looks like you need to sign up for the palmsource developer program?? | 03:56 |
| rev | hah | 03:57 |
| rev | what a scam | 03:57 |
| rev | huh? | 03:57 |
| rev | no | 03:57 |
| rev | but it looks like oyu have to BUY a CD to get the OS now | 03:57 |
| rev | http://www.developerpavilion.com/palmos/page.asp?page_id=152 | 03:57 |
| rev | er | 03:57 |
| rev | i mean | 03:57 |
| rev | http://www.developerpavilion.com/palmos/page.asp?page_id=153&dept_id=21 | 03:57 |
| Pupnik | yeah that's what i see too | 03:57 |
| rev | er | 03:57 |
| rev | or join the program like you say | 03:57 |
| rev | :P | 03:57 |
| rev | that blows | 03:57 |
| rev | before Palm Source wasbought anyone could go and download the images from every Palm OS version | 03:57 |
| Pupnik | this is silly | 03:58 |
| rev | i would imagine some clever googling might reveal a version of it somewhere, you'd think someone mirrored it for us :P | 03:58 |
| rev | it id | 03:58 |
| rev | it sucks | 03:58 |
| rev | i gotta run now tho | 03:58 |
| rev | i'll be back later | 03:58 |
| Pupnik | ok thanks | 03:58 |
| Pupnik | i'll try to find an OS for pose | 03:58 |
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| Pupnik | rev, if it's this hard to get a palm image, then the emulator isn't interesting for Nokia end-users | 04:22 |
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| unique311 | what up | 04:27 |
| unique311 | whats new in maemo kingdom | 04:27 |
| Pupnik | looking at porting PALM OS emulator and the jerks have pulled all the palm OS images off the web | 04:27 |
| Pupnik | where they used to be available for free, now that it's totally outdated, it can't be downloaded | 04:28 |
| unique311 | danm | 04:28 |
| unique311 | that would be sweet | 04:28 |
| unique311 | palm os emu | 04:28 |
| unique311 | i'll help ya find it.. | 04:28 |
| unique311 | Pupnik tried this http://www.palmopensource.com/ | 04:29 |
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| Pupnik | i don't see the OS there - the emu needs < palmos 4 | 04:31 |
| unique311 | k | 04:31 |
| unique311 | if i find anything ill give you a shout | 04:31 |
| Pupnik | i've signed up for the developer access but they want $19.95 for the cdrom | 04:31 |
| Pupnik | ok | 04:31 |
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| bmidgley | I'll vote for palmos emu too | 04:43 |
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| bmidgley | local transit schedules app runs on palm | 04:43 |
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| Pupnik | anyone who owns a palm can send me one, or the OS image, and i'll look into it | 04:44 |
| Pupnik | But unless / until Palm or Access makes an older OS image for POSE available, the emulator is dead. | 04:47 |
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| unique311 | do you know the name of the one they made available Pupnik | 05:01 |
| Pupnik | Garnet OS | 05:02 |
| Pupnik | but that seems to be a PalmOS 5 | 05:02 |
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| Pupnik | building POSE in scratchbox... - needs fltk | 05:07 |
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| * Pupnik is tired of only having debhelper 4 | 05:16 | |
| unique311 | Pupnik | 05:21 |
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| Pupnik | yeah? | 05:21 |
| unique311 | http://biolpc22.york.ac.uk/pub/2.8.0-rc3/readme-palmos-2.8.0-rc3.txt | 05:22 |
| unique311 | think i read that the source for palm 6 is in he zip | 05:22 |
| unique311 | http://biolpc22.york.ac.uk/pub/2.8.0-rc3/ | 05:22 |
| * rev is back | 05:23 | |
| Pupnik | First, you need the freely distributable Palm OS Developer Studio available at | 05:24 |
| Pupnik | http://www.palmos.com/dev/tools/dev_suite.html | 05:24 |
| rev | Pupnik: very true on the ease of use getting ROM images thing you mentioned it | 05:24 |
| rev | the source for Palm OS 6 won't do us any good | 05:24 |
| rev | at least not for running POSE on a nokia | 05:24 |
| unique311 | hmmmm | 05:24 |
| unique311 | lol | 05:24 |
| rev | there aren't any Palm OS 6 devices around in the first place | 05:24 |
| rev | and their OS image don't run on POSE but a dedicated Palm OS 6 "Cobalt" simulator | 05:24 |
| unique311 | so we need palm os 4? | 05:25 |
| rev | or 5 | 05:25 |
| Pupnik | Just pathetic that the copyright holders don't make a defunct os (an old version) public domain or at least available for download. | 05:25 |
| unique311 | or is the project dead before it started | 05:25 |
| rev | Pupnik: but that's the thing, it isn't defunct in some ways | 05:25 |
| Pupnik | oh | 05:25 |
| rev | Pupnik: the only version of Palm OS being used right now is 4 and 5 ... they don't have any devices with the new version 6 at all | 05:26 |
| rev | but there are still POS 4 devices IIRC | 05:26 |
| unique311 | i'll keep searching | 05:26 |
| rev | at least, there were until very recently- the PalmOS watch i bought runs POS 4 | 05:26 |
| Pupnik | heh @ palmos watch | 05:26 |
| rev | Pupnik: it's pretty cool, actually! :D | 05:26 |
| rev | the only bad part about it really is that the battery life is shite | 05:27 |
| Pupnik | hmm, looking at palms on ebay | 05:27 |
| rev | mind you, other palm OS devices are great for battery life | 05:28 |
| rev | just not the watch | 05:28 |
| rev | i assume they skmped on battery volume to make the watch not totally gigantic | 05:28 |
| rev | it is quite huge as it is | 05:28 |
| Pupnik | the fossil watch? | 05:28 |
| rev | yeah | 05:28 |
| rev | i got it on ebay, brand new still shrink wrapped for $20 | 05:28 |
| rev | which is amazing | 05:28 |
| rev | so i totally bought it for the novelty factor | 05:28 |
| Pupnik | nice | 05:29 |
| rev | yeah, i was pretty happy ;) | 05:29 |
| Pupnik | seeing it for 46-91 dollars in ebay USA | 05:30 |
| Pupnik | you have teh fx2008 or abacus au5005? | 05:30 |
| rev | not sure... i have the newer one though | 05:30 |
| Pupnik | cute that it has the 160x160 display | 05:31 |
| rev | yeah | 05:31 |
| rev | that's what the original palms head | 05:31 |
| rev | what is the diff between those two models? | 05:32 |
| rev | AFAICT they haev the same specs | 05:32 |
| Pupnik | no idea | 05:33 |
| unique311 | pupnik | 05:33 |
| Pupnik | anyway i'm clueless about hildonizing so i can't add this to my projects | 05:33 |
| unique311 | i got access to the dev tools | 05:34 |
| unique311 | lol | 05:34 |
| unique311 | i requested an account.. | 05:34 |
| unique311 | scrolled down.. | 05:34 |
| Pupnik | unique311: i have an account, i don't see an older POSE compatible OS image | 05:34 |
| unique311 | and got acces | 05:34 |
| Pupnik | if you find one for download, please let me know | 05:34 |
| unique311 | i'm on a page where i can dl the garnet OS developer suite | 05:35 |
| unique311 | emulator | 05:35 |
| unique311 | platform roms | 05:35 |
| unique311 | simulator | 05:35 |
| unique311 | and so on | 05:35 |
| Pupnik | fine, grab it and run it in POSE | 05:36 |
| unique311 | k, pupnik i am not a dev, i just wanted to help ya find the items.. | 05:36 |
| unique311 | lol | 05:36 |
| Pupnik | you don't need to program | 05:36 |
| Pupnik | to run the emulator | 05:37 |
| Pupnik | with an image | 05:37 |
| rev | where? | 05:40 |
| rev | url? | 05:40 |
| rev | PUP! | 05:43 |
| rev | unique311 has saved us | 05:43 |
| rev | https://www.developerpavilion.com/palmos/page.asp?page_id=364 | 05:43 |
| unique311 | its the last link | 05:43 |
| * rev and Pupnik thought it cost money to join the special club | 05:43 | |
| rev | because you have to pay for the CD | 05:43 |
| unique311 | i had to agree to like 2 agrrements | 05:43 |
| unique311 | no | 05:43 |
| unique311 | you don't need the cd | 05:43 |
| unique311 | just agee to some stuff a | 05:44 |
| unique311 | and the link shows up.. | 05:44 |
| Pupnik | platform roms? | 05:44 |
| unique311 | palm os developer tools | 05:44 |
| unique311 | it cost money for the cd | 05:44 |
| unique311 | https://www.developerpavilion.com/palmos/page.asp?page_id=364 | 05:44 |
| rev | yes Pupnik | 05:44 |
| unique311 | here pup assuming you signed in already | 05:44 |
| Pupnik | grabbing 5.1.2 release rom .zip | 05:45 |
| * davyd ponders getting pptp on the Maemo device | 05:45 | |
| davyd | hmm, google suggests that the kernel module isn't present, and that a different kernel would be required | 05:45 |
| Pupnik | works! | 05:46 |
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| unique311 | hook me up as a beta pupnik... | 05:46 |
| unique311 | when all is well | 05:46 |
| Pupnik | PalmOS412_RelROMs.zip | 05:46 |
| Pupnik | running POSE now | 05:46 |
| rev | booya! | 05:48 |
| unique311 | sounds good | 05:48 |
| * rev is running pOSE now too | 05:51 | |
| rev | :D | 05:51 |
| rev | thank to unique311 | 05:51 |
| * Pupnik tries to get FLTK going in scratchbox | 05:51 | |
| Tak | hah, I haven't seen fltk in years | 05:52 |
| Pupnik | i hate it when the package wants debhelper 5 | 05:52 |
| rev | speaking of FLTK or something like it | 05:52 |
| * Tak used to run flwm | 05:52 | |
| rev | has anyone solved the problem of a keyboard for a non-GTK toolkit yet? | 05:52 |
| Tak | you can communicate directly with X | 05:53 |
| rev | meaning... | 05:54 |
| rev | i just mean, has anyone found some work around, or ported an alternative softkeyboard to the nokia? | 05:54 |
| rev | because Pupnik | 05:54 |
| rev | as it is | 05:54 |
| rev | no way you'llbe able to type into your FLTK apps | 05:55 |
| rev | unless you write a softkeyboard for it | 05:55 |
| Pupnik | bluetooth keyboard | 05:55 |
| rev | that too most likely ;) | 05:55 |
| Pupnik | hrm | 05:55 |
| rev | would work i mean | 05:55 |
| Tak | what I mean is, somebody posted a way to interact with the builtin vkb w/o touching gtk | 05:56 |
| Pupnik | to the dev-list? | 05:57 |
| Pupnik | pose not building here: make[1]: *** [FileBrowser.o] Error 1 | 05:57 |
| Pupnik | i think there might be a patch | 05:57 |
| Tak | yes | 05:57 |
| Tak | iirc it's in the old wiki too | 05:58 |
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| Pupnik | here's the relevant discussion about building pose with more recent fltk http://www.nabble.com/Can't-build-emulator-t97417.html | 05:59 |
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| Pupnik | ahh need an older fltk 1.0.11 not 1.1.x | 06:02 |
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| Pupnik | or patch for 1.1 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1197981&group_id=2189&atid=302189 | 06:05 |
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| Pupnik | POSE running in scratchbox... | 06:31 |
| unique311 | is that good? | 06:33 |
| Pupnik | means it should run on the nokia 770 in about 15 minutes | 06:33 |
| Pupnik | as soon as i copy over the libs and files | 06:33 |
| unique311 | 800 also i'm hoping | 06:33 |
| * Tak goes to test his applet again and hopes for no reboot loop | 06:36 | |
| Pupnik | hrm, not getting past the palm powered startup screen | 06:37 |
| Tak | hmm - hooray | 06:38 |
| Pupnik | :/ | 06:39 |
| Pupnik | looks like it doesn't need any other libs | 06:39 |
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| * Pupnik ponders why POSE is running in scratchbox-arm but not 770 | 06:44 | |
| Pupnik | ooh it's just slow :) | 06:44 |
| Pupnik | and the skin isn't showing for some reason | 06:45 |
| unique311 | better the skin not show... | 06:47 |
| unique311 | as long as the screen is up | 06:47 |
| Pupnik | yeah but you need buttons | 06:47 |
| Pupnik | or maybe the keyboard can be mapped to some of the buttons | 06:47 |
| Pupnik | oh now the skin loaded after like 6 minutes :) | 06:50 |
| unique311 | lol | 06:50 |
| Pupnik | hah it runs | 06:52 |
| Pupnik | no installer needed, just the raw executeable | 06:52 |
| unique311 | test a prc out | 06:53 |
| Pupnik | playing with the builtin apps now | 06:53 |
| Pupnik | anybody wanting it, here it is | 06:53 |
| Pupnik | http://www.ln-s.net/NcH | 06:54 |
| Pupnik | \o/ | 06:54 |
| unique311 | test it out on the 800 | 06:54 |
| Pupnik | i only have a 770 | 06:55 |
| unique311 | well i'll try it on my 800 | 06:55 |
| unique311 | be a test dummy | 06:55 |
| Pupnik | freakin cool | 06:59 |
| unique311 | permission denied | 07:01 |
| unique311 | running ./pose from the terminal | 07:01 |
| Pupnik | i don't see how it could run on an 800 | 07:01 |
| Pupnik | hah the handwriting recognition works | 07:01 |
| Pupnik | poorly though, since it can't keep up | 07:02 |
| unique311 | got it | 07:02 |
| Pupnik | it's not running on the 800 is it? | 07:03 |
| unique311 | asking me to right click on the window to show commands.. | 07:03 |
| Pupnik | holy crap | 07:03 |
| unique311 | how do i right click | 07:03 |
| unique311 | ? | 07:03 |
| unique311 | lol | 07:03 |
| Pupnik | i run synergy on the nokia | 07:03 |
| Pupnik | so i can use desktop mouse and keyboard | 07:04 |
| Pupnik | maybe i can save prefs and include a prefs file in there | 07:04 |
| unique311 | so i'm stuck until the skin shows up | 07:04 |
| unique311 | oh | 07:06 |
| unique311 | i got it | 07:06 |
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| Pupnik | how? | 07:06 |
| unique311 | i ran the command followed by the rom file | 07:06 |
| Pupnik | i was gonna send you my .. nice | 07:06 |
| unique311 | ./pose romfile | 07:06 |
| Pupnik | let me know if it works... that would be so wild | 07:06 |
| unique311 | it works | 07:07 |
| unique311 | real fast | 07:07 |
| Pupnik | :D | 07:07 |
| unique311 | but i'm missing half the some gui | 07:07 |
| unique311 | i can see the applications | 07:07 |
| unique311 | the calculator | 07:07 |
| unique311 | and thats it | 07:07 |
| Pupnik | do you see the skin - i.e. the picture of the palm device around the window? | 07:08 |
| unique311 | yeah | 07:08 |
| unique311 | the grey skin | 07:08 |
| Pupnik | cool | 07:09 |
| Pupnik | it'd be nice if this could be rotated 90 degrees | 07:09 |
| unique311 | yeah | 07:09 |
| unique311 | but it works | 07:09 |
| Pupnik | well, i guess i have to put it on garage | 07:10 |
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| Pupnik | make a proper deb package, make it show up in the task list, rotate it 90 degrees, or make a different skin for it or something | 07:11 |
| Pupnik | but this is just nuts that the same binary runs on the 770 and the 800 | 07:12 |
| unique311 | i think if you get the 90 degree rotate, it'll be good.. | 07:12 |
| unique311 | hand rec worked... | 07:13 |
| Pupnik | unique311: what exactly are you missing? | 07:13 |
| Pupnik | i mean, what gui is showing half? | 07:13 |
| unique311 | do you see the applications icons | 07:13 |
| unique311 | and the calculator icon | 07:13 |
| Pupnik | i see everything here - looks like a palm | 07:14 |
| unique311 | then the rectangle in the middle of those 2 icons | 07:14 |
| Pupnik | yeah | 07:14 |
| unique311 | underneath the application and calculator icon is missing | 07:14 |
| Pupnik | i'll try starting it like you did | 07:14 |
| Pupnik | looks normal | 07:15 |
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| chx | isn't http://www.bixnet.com/usbcawibuba.html this cable a solution for the USB port being unpowered? | 08:31 |
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| Pupnik | for chx, slomo, spaetz, |tbb|_ i just compiled the POSE PalmOS emulator for 770. Binary here http://www.ln-s.net/NcH | 08:56 |
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| fish_ | Pupnik: nice | 09:12 |
| chx | Pupnik: nice trick! what 'bout the cable I linked above? | 09:15 |
| Pupnik | no idea - other people have gotten usb working with 5v power/battery hacks | 09:15 |
| Pupnik | unique311 just tested the binary on an n800 and said it ran with some display errors. that's amazing to me. | 09:16 |
| Pupnik | garage project applied-for, if anybody needs help building it, drop me a msg or post here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=42879#post42879 | 09:17 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all | 09:38 |
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| part | Pupnik: why not just provide the required changes for building it? | 09:44 |
| Feral_Kid | It there a way to do a hard reset of the N770? When I boot currently, it goes through the process of booting, and then comes back to the boot menu again... | 09:44 |
| Pupnik | apply patch part: in scratchbox, apt-get source fltk; apt-get the palm os emulator deb src | 09:46 |
| Pupnik | then patch -p0 this file http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1197981&group_id=2189&atid=302189 | 09:46 |
| Pupnik | then build | 09:46 |
| part | Feral_Kid: reflash or turn on the flags for not rebooting the device on errors | 09:46 |
| Pupnik | for the fltk just configure && make && make install | 09:47 |
| Pupnik | no dependencies for the resulting binary | 09:47 |
| part | Pupnik: err, why not just build the package? | 09:49 |
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| Pupnik | a) build errors and b) fltk doesn't need to be installed on the target device | 09:52 |
| obergix[work] | hi | 09:52 |
| Pupnik | part: the POSE emu will need some modification to integrate with hildon and handle handwriting / virtual keyboard input | 09:53 |
| obergix[work] | too bad I couldn't atten 2nd day at FOSTEL : missed presentation on maemo :( | 09:53 |
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| keesj | goede morgen! | 10:18 |
| Pupnik | hi keesj, want to test my PalmOS emu? | 10:19 |
| Pupnik | s/my/"my build of the POSE" | 10:20 |
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| CountDown | Just flashed my new N800 with the latest firmware, installed xterm, but now can't figure out how to install nano. Is there a .deb package somewhere around? | 10:30 |
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| Pupnik | CountDown: google nano+maemo ? | 10:37 |
| jkyro | hi, anybody familiar with python on maemo? | 10:39 |
| CountDown | The maemo applications page points to the nano web page... I tried installing the arm version of the unstable nano .deb package, but the application manager declared it uninstallable. | 10:40 |
| CountDown | jkyro: What's your question? | 10:40 |
| jkyro | i'm trying out some stuff in under scratchbox | 10:41 |
| * Pupnik builds UAE Amiga emulator | 10:41 | |
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| part | CountDown: use vi or something else if nano isn't available | 10:41 |
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| melmoth | jkyro: i am familiar a bit | 10:41 |
| jkyro | invoking python2.5 in interactive mode and typing 'import gtk' just bails out with code 245 | 10:41 |
| jkyro | and that's essentially what the configure script is doing | 10:42 |
| jkyro | thus not letting me get python going | 10:42 |
| melmoth | have you try run-standalone.sh python2.5 ? | 10:42 |
| jkyro | umm, nope | 10:42 |
| melmoth | try that :) | 10:42 |
| CountDown | part: I'm not familiar with vi and would much prefer nano. I remember it being easy to install on the 770 a couple of months ago. | 10:43 |
| Pupnik | it should be trivial to compile for n800 | 10:43 |
| melmoth | here 'import gtk' works if i just launch 'python2.5' | 10:43 |
| jkyro | melmoth: nope, doesnt' work here | 10:44 |
| jkyro | i'm also seeing a dpkg problem trying to install libpango1.0-common | 10:44 |
| jkyro | post-install gives exit status 245 | 10:45 |
| melmoth | hmmm | 10:45 |
| melmoth | sounds like your scratchox installation is a bit strange | 10:45 |
| jkyro | maybe i'll just reinstall the scratchbox | 10:45 |
| jkyro | I have dist-upgraded it once | 10:46 |
| melmoth | me too. | 10:46 |
| melmoth | when 3.1 was released a week ago or so | 10:46 |
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| jkyro | yeah, same here | 10:46 |
| melmoth | but hey, sounds its would be easier to reinstall rather than to undertsand what is going on... :) | 10:46 |
| * melmoth is lazy | 10:47 | |
| jkyro | yeah, that kinda came into mind :) | 10:47 |
| Pupnik | uae bombs | 10:49 |
| mattsqz | its going to be like 15hrs till damn maemo disc image is downloaded | 10:51 |
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| Pupnik | Tak: you wanna try adding pixeldoubling to hatari? :) | 10:54 |
| Pupnik | i'm scared of Xsp now | 10:55 |
| Pupnik | HAH.... UAE Amiga Emulator running on nokia 770 :P :P :P | 10:58 |
| Pupnik | \o/ | 10:58 |
| glass | hehe | 10:59 |
| pekkis | oh my god | 11:00 |
| pekkis | does it work at all | 11:00 |
| Pupnik | i have to go now, no time to install bios and games | 11:01 |
| Pupnik | will be back later with a report | 11:01 |
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| mattsqz | so im uh | 11:02 |
| mattsqz | donwloading this torrent, it says its "MaemoAppliance-1.0.6.10 | 11:03 |
| mattsqz | " | 11:03 |
| mattsqz | has anyone else used this? | 11:03 |
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| mattsqz | its for vmware | 11:03 |
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| keesj | mattsqz: I think there is a more "official" maemo vmware image that can be downloaded from the wmware site | 11:09 |
| keesj | vmware | 11:09 |
| keesj | What are you expeting from "MaemoAppliance-1.0.6.10 | 11:09 |
| keesj | ? | 11:09 |
| mattsqz | i think this is the one from vmware site? | 11:10 |
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| mattsqz | maybe i dunno | 11:12 |
| mattsqz | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/702 | 11:12 |
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| mattsqz | yup | 11:12 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:17 |
| mattsqz | hrm looks like maybe not what i need..its for maemo 3.0 | 11:17 |
| mattsqz | i cant try 3.0 on my 770 because the damn flasher program wont start on this pc and wont install on the other pc | 11:18 |
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| mattsqz | unless theres a way to boot from mmc and flash from the device itself | 11:19 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:35 |
| koen | good morning mister Flegg | 11:36 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:58 |
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| CountDown | Has anyone managed to get nano installed on the N800 with the latest bora release? | 12:16 |
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| spaetz | darn, my N800 stopped booting, it just sits there with the initial NOKIA screen and goes black from time to time. | 12:41 |
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| spaetz | reflashing fails now also: Finishing flashing... Sending request 0x52 failed! | 12:41 |
| spaetz | after transfering data for like 4 seconds or so. | 12:41 |
| spaetz | Does things like this happen often? | 12:42 |
| spaetz | err, *do*, things like this... | 12:42 |
| jkyro | have you got an idea of what might have caused that? | 12:48 |
| jkyro | or just the upgrade? | 12:48 |
| * Pupnik_afk plays arkanoid on amiga on 770 :D | 12:49 | |
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| sbaturzioAtWork | spaetz: is battery fully charged? | 12:51 |
| spaetz | yep | 12:52 |
| spaetz | doing it from a different box, right now. it seems to work | 12:52 |
| spaetz | Probably some amd64 flakiness. | 12:52 |
| spaetz | worked. pooh, I was afraid for a second | 12:53 |
| Pupnik | about 8fps on arkanoid... mouse not bound correctly | 12:54 |
| Pupnik | maybe 11fps | 12:54 |
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| konttori | Pupnik: what arkanoid? A python based or c based? | 13:06 |
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| Pupnik | Amiga arkanoid | 13:09 |
| Pupnik | taking screenshots... | 13:09 |
| robtaylor | why doesnt playbin use dspmp3sink automatically on the n800 ;( | 13:09 |
| robtaylor | :'(, even | 13:10 |
| jkyro | argh, dist-upgrade doesn't work in maemo sdk | 13:10 |
| jkyro | bsdutils wants to replace logger | 13:10 |
| MoRpHeUz | robtaylor: playbin doesnt work well at all on N800 | 13:10 |
| MoRpHeUz | =( | 13:10 |
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| robtaylor | grr grr | 13:11 |
| Pupnik | this is strange, UAE has more jerky playback on my athlon 2800xp than on the 770? lol | 13:16 |
| cosmo__ | UAE? is it available somewhere? | 13:16 |
| Pupnik | on my 770 :P | 13:17 |
| cosmo__ | make a deb & release it :) | 13:17 |
| cosmo__ | does it have some kind of working kb/mouse input? | 13:17 |
| Pupnik | you have a 770? | 13:17 |
| cosmo__ | yes | 13:18 |
| Pupnik | actually the mouse is not working on the pc side either | 13:18 |
| Pupnik | if i send you the binary will you help test and tweak the uaerc file to run best? - do you have some time? | 13:18 |
| AD-N770 | robtaylor: currently playbin only can manage non compressed streams at sink level if I understood it correctly | 13:19 |
| cosmo__ | i'd like to help, but i'm very busy at the moment.. working & renovating my house | 13:20 |
| robtaylor | AD-N770: yeah, its just not clever enough :/ | 13:20 |
| Pupnik | cosmo__: if not, just wait a while and i'll upload when the garage project is approved | 13:20 |
| cosmo__ | Pupnik: thanks, i've been waiting for UAE or some c64 emulator to be ported | 13:21 |
| robtaylor | AD-N770: i'll ask ensonic what the plans are when he appears :) | 13:21 |
| AD-N770 | robtaylor: this will be fixed when palybin2 will be finished :) | 13:21 |
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| robtaylor | AD-N770: ah, yeah, i guessed as much =) | 13:28 |
| Pupnik | mouse working... | 13:29 |
| cosmo__ | Pupnik: does it get the absolute stylus position? | 13:30 |
| cosmo__ | i think on pc it only was able to use relative mouse movement | 13:30 |
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| Pupnik | absoulute stylus working | 13:32 |
| cosmo__ | oh, great | 13:32 |
| Pupnik | sound not working yet | 13:32 |
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| nnod | has anyone successfully set up nstx on their n800? | 13:41 |
| Pupnik | ahrm no it's not tracking touchscreen always | 13:41 |
| Pupnik | sometimes it goes right where i click - other times not | 13:41 |
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| Pupnik | UAE Amiga Emulator binary+uaerc and shell starter script here: http://ln-s.net/NgM | 13:48 |
| Pupnik | needs Kickstart ROM. Please test and give feedback. Mess with uaerc | 13:48 |
| cosmo__ | i'll try it later.. my 770 is at home now. but thanks for porting! | 13:49 |
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| Pupnik | POSE Palm OS emu and Netrek COW client approved for garage :) | 13:58 |
| cosmo__ | someone was wishing for POSE in some blog | 13:59 |
| Pupnik | i posted the binary link to internettablettalk forum where it was requested | 13:59 |
| cosmo__ | it might be really useful for some people, as there is *a lot* of software for palm available | 13:59 |
| Pupnik | Well I'm happy to share what i've got, but it's not hildonized yet | 14:00 |
| cosmo__ | i wish i had more time (and a 64bit version of maemo development tools) | 14:03 |
| unique311 | Pupnik just realize there's an -h option for pose... | 14:04 |
| unique311 | -di for display | 14:05 |
| unique311 | ./pose -di host:n.n | 14:05 |
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| unique311 | display for n800 is 800x600 | 14:07 |
| Pupnik | but the res is only 480 high, what do you see when you run 800x600? | 14:08 |
| unique311 | error | 14:09 |
| unique311 | cant access 800x600 | 14:09 |
| unique311 | so gonna try 480 | 14:09 |
| unique311 | cannot open display | 14:10 |
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| Pupnik | that may be too big as well, since the window isn't full screen height | 14:10 |
| unique311 | theres also a geometry flag... -g | 14:10 |
| unique311 | guess now is to learn the flgs for n800 users... | 14:10 |
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| Pupnik | i still am having trouble with the fact that that binary runs on the n800 | 14:11 |
| Pupnik | thanks for testing though :) | 14:12 |
| unique311 | np | 14:13 |
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| Pupnik_afk | hah, got arkanoid up to about 18-20 fps | 14:38 |
| Juhaz | does sound work? | 14:40 |
| Pupnik_afk | this guy just wrote me from finland - he got sound sometimes working on/off on a 800 | 14:41 |
| Pupnik_afk | no sound on 770 at all yet | 14:41 |
| robtaylor | are there any docs for using mediaserver? | 14:45 |
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| unique311 | pupnik | 14:50 |
| Pupnik_afk | ? | 14:50 |
| unique311 | i just tried the m505 rom | 14:50 |
| unique311 | it works | 14:50 |
| unique311 | the colored | 14:50 |
| unique311 | still have the display issue | 14:50 |
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| unique311 | you have the roms | 14:51 |
| Pupnik | i do? | 14:51 |
| unique311 | http://www.mobilefan.net/Palm-OS.nsf/Download-Free-Software/ROM-Replacement | 14:51 |
| unique311 | now you do | 14:51 |
| unique311 | gotta go to work.. | 14:51 |
| unique311 | be back later.. | 14:51 |
| Pupnik | that link is uge - thanks | 14:52 |
| unique311 | and also | 14:52 |
| unique311 | the skin can be change with the skin flag | 14:52 |
| unique311 | -s | 14:52 |
| Pupnik | right on | 14:53 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm do I spot a hole in The Great Nokia Firewall? | 15:22 |
| zeenix | robtaylor: you shouldn't be needing docs for using UPnP, that is whole point of it :) | 15:28 |
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| robtaylor | zeenix: umm, i'm working on a upnp service... | 15:40 |
| robtaylor | zeenix: one that isn't cracked and closed source.. | 15:41 |
| robtaylor | zeenix: i meant the dbus api, play_media, etc | 15:41 |
| zeenix | robtaylor: cool! | 15:42 |
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| davyd | so, with IT2006, can I get the current kernel zImage off the device somehow? | 16:17 |
| davyd | and how hard is it to brick on of these things? | 16:17 |
| davyd | ie. can I still load a new kernel if I arse it up? | 16:17 |
| daniels | davyd: you can pull it out of /dev/mtdblock2 (iirc) from the device | 16:17 |
| daniels | and the flashing is done out of the bootloader, so you have to try _really_ hard (i.e. screw around with the bootloader) to brick it | 16:18 |
| davyd | ok, so bricking it is hard | 16:18 |
| davyd | hmm, next question, where is the mmc mounted? | 16:18 |
| davyd | aah, it's greyed out | 16:19 |
| daniels | /media/mmc* | 16:19 |
| davyd | is this because it's mounted on my workstation? | 16:19 |
| daniels | yeah | 16:19 |
| davyd | hmm | 16:21 |
| davyd | hmm | 16:22 |
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| davyd | hmm, invalid module format | 16:23 |
| * davyd wonders how he has arsed this up | 16:24 | |
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| davyd | hmm, maybe the device never took me new kernel | 16:27 |
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| davyd | hmm, I think it just rebooted | 16:32 |
| davyd | implying it bombed out on the kernel I tried to load | 16:32 |
| davyd | but the blue line went all the way to the top, which to my, implies that /almost/ everything went to plan | 16:32 |
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| daniels | if the blue line gets all the way to the end, that means you're well in userspace | 16:33 |
| davyd | it looks like it hit the end, and then rebooted | 16:34 |
| * davyd stabs the damned wiki | 16:34 | |
| davyd | WHY ARE THERE NO TIPS ON HOW TO DEBUG THIS? | 16:34 |
| part | WHY, OH WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING? | 16:35 |
| davyd | it makes me feel better | 16:35 |
| part | did you put in a new kernel? | 16:36 |
| davyd | I tried to boot one using the flasher-2.0 -l -b -k option | 16:36 |
| davyd | the command line implies that it took the image, then the little blue line filled the screen | 16:37 |
| part | you should still be able to put a working kernel in there | 16:37 |
| davyd | then it rebooted | 16:37 |
| davyd | so it booted the working kernel when it rebooted | 16:37 |
| davyd | but I have no hints as to why this other kernel didn't take | 16:37 |
| part | sounds like you might be missing some kernel modules or options | 16:37 |
| davyd | is there a log somewhere? | 16:38 |
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| part | davyd: serial console might tell you what's happening in the boot process | 16:40 |
| davyd | that's my only option? | 16:40 |
| part | other than making a working kernel, yeah | 16:46 |
| davyd | :( | 16:49 |
| davyd | ok, I'll poke at this later | 16:49 |
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| robtaylor | FlavioCarvalho: /wg 29 | 17:24 |
| robtaylor | god, i am having such typing issues today.. | 17:25 |
| FlavioCarvalho | hi :) | 17:25 |
| robtaylor | FlavioCarvalho: are you on the brisa team? | 17:26 |
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| davyd | ok, so I suspect my problems stem from this kernel being compiled with a different toolchain to the initfs modules | 17:50 |
| davyd | what toolchain is mistral compiled with? | 17:50 |
| daniels | i think cs2005.q3 | 17:51 |
| davyd | so that'd be the Debian package scratchbox-toolchain-cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm ? | 17:54 |
| daniels | i think so, yeah | 17:54 |
| davyd | I have the distinct impression that large chunks of the documentation alternate in their out-of-date-ed-ness | 17:56 |
| rvalles | davyd: there's an alternative flasher (for the n770/800) | 17:56 |
| rvalles | davyd: http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ | 17:56 |
| davyd | ok, I'm confused as to where that comes into it | 17:57 |
| davyd | daniels ; also, do you know if scratchbox 0.9.8.8 is ok with mistral? | 17:57 |
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| daniels | i know 0.9.8.5 is, at least | 17:58 |
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| daniels | but if you're updating the kernel version, the initfs modules won't work | 17:58 |
| daniels | as the magic string will have changed | 17:58 |
| davyd | ok, so I need the same kernel version, and the same toolchain | 17:59 |
| davyd | and possibly a copy of modinfo | 17:59 |
| daniels | yeah | 17:59 |
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| davyd | (wish I had some beer) | 18:00 |
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| tigert | we have some beer here right now | 19:09 |
| tigert | meritähti. too close to work though :) | 19:09 |
| bergie | tigert: beer is good :-) | 19:10 |
| bergie | I actually just drove past Meritähti | 19:10 |
| tigert | come to say hi :) | 19:10 |
| bergie | no, got home already | 19:11 |
| bergie | but would've been fun | 19:11 |
| tigert | yea | 19:11 |
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| Molagi | hmm is meritähti in ruoholahti? | 20:10 |
| daniels | joo | 20:11 |
| daniels | right near the metro station | 20:11 |
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| daniels | just keep walking towards the canal, down the wide walkway next to the metro station, and it's on your left | 20:12 |
| Molagi | yeah now i remember | 20:12 |
| gpd | I'm back after a month away -- what's new? | 20:12 |
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| Molagi | well the new firmware | 20:19 |
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| gpd | I am confused -- the release page says 'upgrading from maemo 3.0 to 3.1 can be done with apt-get dist-upgrade | 20:26 |
| gpd | then it keeps going on about scratchboxes... | 20:27 |
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| gpd | have i become a retard - or are the instructions less than foolproof | 20:28 |
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| part | gpd: you can either upgrade from the earlier release or you can install it from scratch | 20:30 |
| angrymg | gpd: maemo is the name for the SDK, which is used together with scratchbox | 20:30 |
| angrymg | so you can upgrade your SDK from 3.0 to 3.1 by running apt-get dist-upgrade inside your scratchbox | 20:31 |
| angrymg | but you cannot upgrade your N800 to new firmware with apt-get yet | 20:31 |
| gpd | ok - so i need to get my flash on :) | 20:32 |
| gpd | of course I am away from my machine and this laptop is windows :( | 20:32 |
| `0660 | it doesn't matter | 20:33 |
| gpd | and I don't see a windows flash utility (on maemo.org) | 20:33 |
| `0660 | there is one somewhere | 20:34 |
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| angrymg | it's on the nokia website | 20:35 |
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| davyd | ok, due to an infusion of cockfosters, that whatsit still didn't boot | 20:45 |
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| angrymg | you spilled beer on your tablet? | 20:48 |
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| davyd | no, I just can't convince it to boot a new kernel | 20:49 |
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| florian | re | 21:10 |
| davyd | hmm, I'm still vague on codenames, but maybe I want to be using gregale kernel source with the latest OS2006 | 21:15 |
| JohnMeacham | Hello, what are the actual expansion ports on the N800, I can find lists of 'compatable' formats (a bunch of SD and MMC formats) but am curious what physically and programatically they are. like, are they full SD slots, do they use SD cards in SD or MMC mode or both? hmm.. | 21:15 |
| davyd | (I can't seem to find canonical documentation on this) | 21:15 |
| angrymg | JohnMeacham: physically these are full-size SD slots | 21:16 |
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| JohnMeacham | okay. both of them are then? cool. I was under the impression that due to DRM issues, linux always used SD cards in MMC mode, so MMC branded cards can operate faster than SD branded ones. is this the case for the N800? | 21:18 |
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| davyd | the N800 has a sdhci chip | 21:20 |
| angrymg | ah, that's a bit beyond my knowledge | 21:20 |
| davyd | which is nicely supported in Linux | 21:20 |
| JohnMeacham | oh, and can the N800 handle large (>= 2G) MMC cards? sorry for that FAQs. | 21:20 |
| davyd | both for MMC and SD | 21:20 |
| davyd | JohnMeacham ; you may need a newer kernel than the device ships with | 21:21 |
| angrymg | Philip Langdale knows much about Linux MMC/SD support | 21:21 |
| davyd | for the MMC4 stuff | 21:21 |
| angrymg | http://intr.overt.org/blog | 21:21 |
| angrymg | he had a few posts about relative speeds of MMC/SD, plus a kernel patch to speed things up | 21:21 |
| JohnMeacham | cool. I'll read up on those. I was worried the N800 might use some proprietary binary blob drivers that make the generic linux info less relevant. | 21:22 |
| angrymg | not for the SD cards | 21:22 |
| davyd | nah, it's straight up sdhci | 21:22 |
| davyd | like I have in my laptop even | 21:22 |
| angrymg | I think there are proprietary blobs involved somewhere else | 21:22 |
| angrymg | wireless? dsp? | 21:23 |
| davyd | (where is works a treat, even supports MMC cards, which a certain window based operating system cannot) | 21:23 |
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| unique31 | pupnik, how goes ur project | 21:25 |
| Pupnik_a1k | gpd: Palm OS Emu Port, Amiga UAE Emu Port, Netrek (COW client) Port, Ur-Quan Masters Port | 21:26 |
| Pupnik_a1k | all very early stage though | 21:26 |
| unique31 | pose | 21:26 |
| * sbaturzio is away: Dinner time... | 21:26 | |
| Pupnik_a1k | just got some sleep, now getting some food :) | 21:26 |
| unique31 | cool | 21:27 |
| unique31 | i love the m505 rm | 21:27 |
| angrymg | what's 'rm'? | 21:27 |
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| unique31 | anybody else tried running it on the n800 | 21:27 |
| unique31 | rom | 21:27 |
| unique31 | need to find out if all n800's have the gui issue | 21:28 |
| unique31 | missing 25% of the bottom | 21:29 |
| unique31 | when i get home from work, i will try to run some prc's | 21:29 |
| Pupnik_a1k | Thanks for the help unique31 - be back in a few | 21:30 |
| unique31 | cooll | 21:31 |
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| unique31 | lates | 21:38 |
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| JohnMeacham | Is there a wiki page where we collect all the hardware info for the nokio n* tablets? I am thinking things like datasheets for all the chips where they are available, etc... | 21:50 |
| davyd | woo, I think I managed to boot it on a new kernel | 21:51 |
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| JohnMeacham | Also, the boot sequence for booting an alternate OS off a SD card. | 21:53 |
| * Pupnik shows Microsoft his 'boot sequence' | 21:57 | |
| angrymg | left boot, right boot, left boot, left boot, right boot | 21:59 |
| angrymg | 'boot sequence' could be a topic for an xkcd comic | 21:59 |
| davyd | arrrg | 22:00 |
| davyd | that's too terrible for words | 22:00 |
| Pupnik | that's ironic, since it consists of words :) | 22:06 |
| davyd | yeah | 22:11 |
| davyd | also, I've got this 770 doing PPTP | 22:11 |
| davyd | all I need to do now is fix up the routing | 22:11 |
| davyd | has anyone compiled 'ip' for maemo? | 22:12 |
| davyd | or should I port all of my routing to 'route' | 22:12 |
| angrymg | ooh, /me wants ip for maemo | 22:14 |
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| davyd | I wonder if you could just grab the debian arm iproute2 package | 22:15 |
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| part | davyd: you'll have to recompile, debian isn't using EABI yet, the binaries are not compatible | 22:15 |
| davyd | but odds on that I can probably grab their source and subject it to dpkg-buildpackage ? | 22:16 |
| angrymg | that sometimed works | 22:16 |
| davyd | failing that, I wonder if I could just statically compile ip | 22:17 |
| keesj | it's just not fair , who added the SDK and SpotYah to downloads maemo.org | 22:19 |
| keesj | I still cannot login :( | 22:19 |
| angrymg | build of iproute from debian fails because of missing ATM headers | 22:23 |
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| part | keesj: afaik ferenc did that | 22:28 |
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| davyd | ok, so I've got 'ip' on the device | 22:31 |
| davyd | but it seems that the pppd on the thing isn't running ip-up and ip-up.d | 22:31 |
| davyd | I suppose I could work around that, move all of that scripting to happen as part of an alias | 22:32 |
| davyd | but it seems a little sad | 22:32 |
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| maddler | re | 22:34 |
| CountDown | Hello all. I would like to stream live audio and video over the web from the N800's camera and microphone. What are the best ways of doing this? Has anyone else done it yet? A quick web search didn't reveal much. | 22:37 |
| maddler | CountDown: there is not so much to be revealed... | 22:40 |
| maddler | well... basically there is _nothing_ to be revealed... as of now :) | 22:40 |
| maddler | maybe in the near future... who knows... | 22:40 |
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| CountDown | maddler: Is this because it isn't possible, or just hasn't been done yet? | 22:41 |
| maddler | hasn't been done yet... | 22:42 |
| CountDown | Any suggestions on how I'd go about doing it then? | 22:43 |
| maddler | dunno... digging in maemo's source code? perhaps... but... no clue :) | 22:43 |
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| CountDown | Okay, thanks. | 22:44 |
| Pupnik | the N800 can't stream webcam? | 22:44 |
| maddler | no problem | 22:44 |
| maddler | Pupnik: not, afaik | 22:44 |
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| davyd | ok, tomorrow I have to find out how DNS works on the N770 | 22:45 |
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| davyd | also why this script doesn't run | 22:46 |
| sbaturzio | davyd: dns? trouble with configuring or querying a dns? | 22:46 |
| davyd | sbaturzio ; I'm making PPTP VPNs work | 22:46 |
| CountDown | Pupnik: That's what I'm trying to figure out. :) | 22:46 |
| davyd | I've got a new kernel, and the modules, and the bits and pieces | 22:46 |
| davyd | so just now I managed to connect to the VPN | 22:46 |
| angrymg | davyd: IIRC the n800 uses dnsmasq | 22:46 |
| sbaturzio | angrymg: correct | 22:46 |
| davyd | and the 770 as well? | 22:47 |
| angrymg | also, do you have a deb of iproute, or just the ip binary? | 22:47 |
| angrymg | the 770 as well | 22:47 |
| CountDown | Pupnik: It supposedly works with Google Talk and Jabber, so I assume that regular web cam streaming should be possible. | 22:47 |
| davyd | angrymg ; just the ip binary | 22:47 |
| sbaturzio | but instead of /var/run/dnsmasq/ directory for storing the nameserver it use /tmp/resolv.conf.wlan0 file | 22:47 |
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| davyd | sbaturzio ; so could I wrote a /tmp/resolv.conf.ppp0 ? | 22:47 |
| davyd | I'm not overly familiar with dnsmasq | 22:48 |
| sbaturzio | davyd: if you need to add a namserver for a new device you need to modify /etc/dnsmasq.conf file | 22:48 |
| sbaturzio | look for resolf-file=....lines | 22:49 |
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| sbaturzio | you need to add a line with "resolv-file=/tmp/resolv.conf.ppp0 if you have just created a ppp0 device | 22:49 |
| sbaturzio | then create that /tmp/resolv.conf.ppp0 file and write "nameserver 1.2.3.4" in it | 22:50 |
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| sbaturzio | remember that file will be erased on every boot | 22:50 |
| sbaturzio | as all the /tmp contents | 22:50 |
| davyd | hmm, the final bit may be getting done already | 22:50 |
| davyd | (thankyou debian) | 22:50 |
| davyd | so it's just a matter of configuring dnsmasq.conf | 22:50 |
| davyd | then I need to work out why my ip-up.d script never runs | 22:50 |
| sbaturzio | ah...after changing /etc/dnsmasq.conf or adding a new /tmp/resolvconf file, remember to restart dnsmasq with "/etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart" | 22:51 |
| jkyro | I would see how the connection manager does things when connecting via GPRS | 22:51 |
| jkyro | that's using ppp AFAIK | 22:51 |
| davyd | it | 22:51 |
| davyd | it's possible something has been changed for that stuff | 22:52 |
| davyd | it's hard to tell | 22:52 |
| davyd | still, it's 0350 | 22:52 |
| davyd | I should go to bed | 22:52 |
| davyd | I think this evening turned out to be productive, in the end | 22:52 |
| * davyd sleeps | 22:53 | |
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| JohnMeacham | another technical question, is the n* big or little endian? | 23:02 |
| behdad | does n800 support SDHC cards? | 23:03 |
| jamey | little endian | 23:03 |
| maddler | behdad: yes/not... | 23:06 |
| maddler | behdad: yes, using a patched kernel | 23:06 |
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| maddler | shackan! My disciple! :D | 23:10 |
| * shackan bows | 23:11 | |
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| maddler | hehehe... | 23:11 |
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| maddler | shackan: I'll be in barletta from sat to tue morning... | 23:12 |
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| maddler | if you don't have anything better to do... | 23:13 |
| Pupnik | does anybody know offhand what the visible vertical screen size is for a n770/n800 window when not in fullscreen mode | 23:13 |
| shackan | I wish I didn't | 23:13 |
| maddler | Pupnik: nope... sorry... | 23:14 |
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| maddler | shackan: hehehe... ok... next time... :) | 23:14 |
| shackan | yeah :D | 23:14 |
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| Pupnik | is there a virtual keyboard method that works in 90-degree rotated mode? | 23:15 |
| maddler | Pupnik: not as of now... | 23:15 |
| Pupnik | ok then i'll use POSE's internal keyboard for roated mode | 23:16 |
| maddler | but... yes... that could be nice... :) | 23:16 |
| Pupnik | that's one of the coolest things about these tablets | 23:16 |
| derf | Pupnik: http://www.maemo.org//platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#gui | 23:16 |
| Pupnik | so much to do :) | 23:16 |
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| derf | Look for the "Basic Hildon Layouts" section. | 23:17 |
| Pupnik | thanks derf! | 23:17 |
| Pupnik | i'm totally new to hildon | 23:17 |
| derf | Welcome to the club. | 23:17 |
| Pupnik | this is the most fun i've had in a long time | 23:18 |
| maddler | Pupnik: yep... maemo is FUN! | 23:23 |
| maddler | I;m having fun with it since ~2years! | 23:24 |
| Pupnik | cross compiling an app and seeing it just run out of the box is really motivational to learn about hildonizing | 23:24 |
| maddler | indeed... | 23:25 |
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| sbaturzio | is there a way to execute a script depending on what connection is activated? | 23:31 |
| maddler | hmmm... | 23:31 |
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| maddler | sbaturzio: _maybe_ getting connection name from gconf? and based on that decide which script to launch... | 23:32 |
| Pupnik | ifconfig | 23:32 |
| maddler | _maybe_ | 23:32 |
| sbaturzio | on gconf?....let me see... | 23:32 |
| maddler | Pupnik: but you will only know if wifi or bluetooth... or USB perhaps... | 23:32 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: I'm checking it... | 23:33 |
| Pupnik | what else is there? | 23:33 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: found... | 23:33 |
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| maddler | /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/current | 23:34 |
| maddler | ~ $ gconftool -g /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/current | 23:34 |
| maddler | komputika | 23:34 |
| sbaturzio | maddler: that's right! | 23:34 |
| maddler | yep! :D | 23:34 |
| sbaturzio | ok, in this way I could change my hosts depending on where I am | 23:35 |
| maddler | hehehe... | 23:35 |
| sbaturzio | now I need a way to start a script when a connection become alive but if-up.d should to the trick | 23:35 |
| maddler | I suppose... | 23:35 |
| sbaturzio | good...ah BTW: someone need a script to import Google Calendar into Dates? | 23:36 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: that could be nice... | 23:36 |
| sbaturzio | but don't know where to publish it | 23:37 |
| maddler | mail it to me... if you agree I'll post it on MaemoPeople/maddraves :) | 23:37 |
| sbaturzio | maddler: really? ok :-) | 23:37 |
| maddler | or you could also have your very own blog :) | 23:37 |
| ||cw | I'd just like gpe-cal to be able to sync in ical's with reoccuring events | 23:37 |
| sbaturzio | don't like gpe: still too much "experimental" for me | 23:38 |
| sbaturzio | dates is simple, doesn't do all what I need but is enough for now | 23:39 |
| maddler | I really miss a good contact manager... | 23:40 |
| maddler | both integrated and Contacts take soooo long to load all contacts... | 23:40 |
| Pupnik | contacts could use some ui work | 23:40 |
| maddler | yup | 23:40 |
| maddler | and for some reason... since this morning... it only loads 5 out of +200 contacts... | 23:41 |
| sbaturzio | and I still need something to import all Palm Memo into Maemopad+ memo. Maybe is only a matter of creating some sqlite script | 23:41 |
| ||cw | sbaturzio: does the script handle merging dups on the device? | 23:42 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: it was a LONG time ago... but I think there was something to save Palm Memo to HTML actually... | 23:42 |
| maddler | that could at least allow you to have your memos on your tablet... | 23:43 |
| Pupnik | if you write it, post a message to the POSE page on garage please | 23:43 |
| sbaturzio | ||cw: no, it just dump the gcal ICAL file over the calendar.ics, so changes made into Dates are losts | 23:43 |
| ||cw | hm. that might still ok for me | 23:43 |
| sbaturzio | ||cw: I hope next version of Dates will manage more calendars | 23:43 |
| maddler | and also... I think I remember there was a Jpilot version for 770... | 23:43 |
| maddler | not sure... but... | 23:43 |
| sbaturzio | maddler: a jpilot for 770? where? | 23:43 |
| sbaturzio | maddler: may I open a query with you? | 23:44 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: ehhh.... no clue... I think I was playing with it when I got my 770... but... can't remember if it's true or dream... | 23:45 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: go... | 23:45 |
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| sbaturzio | is there a way to open small dialog windows from script, like zenity do on Gnome? | 23:57 |
| ||cw | sbaturzio: do you know of a tool that can merge ical files? | 23:57 |
| sbaturzio | ||cw: mmm...actually no. sorry | 23:58 |
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