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| lle2 | evening | 01:57 |
| lle2 | sb2 just built maemo-mapper on amd64 Etch host | 01:58 |
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| lle2 | using etch's qemu | 01:59 |
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| kkito | do you know if it is possible to know the id3tag of a file that is playing on the media-server with dbus? | 02:54 |
| b0unc3 | damn... I need to reflash :( | 02:55 |
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| derf | Hi. | 09:39 |
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| mk8 | Hi to all .... | 10:09 |
| keesj | All say Hi | 10:11 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:06 |
| keesj | YoYo | 11:06 |
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| keesj | I see that tslib is installed on the device , is is used directly by the X server? | 11:07 |
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| kulve | keesj: I think it is | 11:12 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:28 |
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| sp3000 | is this a poll? :P | 11:37 |
| * sp3000 votes for noon | 11:37 | |
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| tigert | its always morning when someone comes to irc | 12:39 |
| nomis | moin. | 12:41 |
| nomis | tigert: are you going to LGM? If yes, when? | 12:42 |
| tigert | hrmh | 12:42 |
| tigert | I need to discuss with my boss, and I was sick last week :/ | 12:42 |
| nomis | erf. | 12:42 |
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| dyncorp_ | another app that never got submitted to the application catalog | 14:54 |
| dyncorp_ | atari st emulator: http://koti.mbnet.fi/tammat/hatari/index.shtml | 14:54 |
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| disq | ooh sapwood has a readme now: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/sapwood/README | 15:08 |
| c0ffee | a file called README or does it actually contain some content? :) | 15:08 |
| tigert | yes, and its rather long even! :) | 15:09 |
| c0ffee | i wonder why they don't use automake's foreign mode | 15:10 |
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| c0ffee | instead of touching README ChangeLog INSTALL etc.. everywhere | 15:10 |
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| derf | Because there's approximately 3 people on the planet who understand automake. | 15:23 |
| c0ffee | so much for rumours | 15:25 |
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| disq | 3? isn't that more like 2 | 15:27 |
| disq | i mean, i can use it fine but i don't really understand it | 15:27 |
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| disq | the sapwood readme is more like a short documentation. me likey. | 15:37 |
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| Unique311 | windows mobile possible on n800? | 16:46 |
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| inz | Whoa, that makes running Qt sound sane! | 16:47 |
| Unique311 | just a question... | 16:48 |
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| Unique311 | usually the linux world is always trying to place linux on a device.. | 16:49 |
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| Unique311 | was wondering if the windows worl was trying to do the same... | 16:49 |
| alp | Unique311: you'd need a copy of the windows mobile development kit, i think there are examples of how to port it | 16:51 |
| c0ffee | the nolo will only boot windows | 16:51 |
| c0ffee | ehrm linux | 16:51 |
| c0ffee | and for replacing the nolo, you'd need to be able to sign it | 16:51 |
| alp | the loader is DRM'd? | 16:52 |
| Unique311 | sounds complicated.. | 16:52 |
| jku_ | c0ffee, is that so? interesting... | 16:52 |
| alp | it should be possible to break out of the linux boot and start your own kernel | 16:53 |
| alp | there were such hacks for the palm loader before the firmware could be flashed | 16:53 |
| c0ffee | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-01-16.log.html#t2007-01-16T19:29:25 | 16:54 |
| Unique311 | guess in a couple of months some | 16:54 |
| Unique311 | one will make it happen | 16:54 |
| Tak | the difference is that gnu/linux people want to run linux on everything | 16:54 |
| Tak | windows people will just buy something with windows already on it | 16:54 |
| alp | Tak: not so much gnu/linux as uclibc/busybox/linux when it comes to running on anything (or did you mean something else by gnu?) | 16:56 |
| Unique311 | mamo is the first mobie linux? | 16:56 |
| Tak | good point - gnu/linux is kind of a reflex for me ;-) | 16:56 |
| c0ffee | no | 16:56 |
| Unique311 | the best? | 16:56 |
| c0ffee | what is best depends on your personal opinion | 16:57 |
| Unique311 | true | 16:57 |
| jku_ | c0ffee, thanks. Still sounds pretty weird... | 16:58 |
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| c0ffee | yes :/ | 16:59 |
| Unique311 | dual boot a couple of os's on the n800 | 16:59 |
| Unique311 | what | 16:59 |
| lle2 | c0ffee: you don't need to sign the bootloader for n800, for n770 you need to | 17:03 |
| lle2 | c0ffee: I was outdated ;) | 17:03 |
| c0ffee | ah :) | 17:04 |
| c0ffee | that's good news | 17:04 |
| Unique311 | not needing to sign the botloader is a good thing | 17:05 |
| Unique311 | ? | 17:05 |
| lle2 | allows you to use something else if you really want to | 17:05 |
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| c0ffee | nokia should sell serial console cables for the 770/800 | 17:05 |
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| maddler | c0ffee: eh... that would be _GREAT_ | 17:11 |
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| Tak | lle2: is sb2 suitable for maemo development at this point? | 17:21 |
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| kkito | i doubt that we can get the same performance with windows mobile on the device | 17:25 |
| Tak | heh, indeed | 17:26 |
| c0ffee | i guess it's pretty easy to slow down windows to the same level | 17:26 |
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| Tak | :-P | 17:26 |
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| keesj | lle2: also does it require debian to be installed? | 18:27 |
| keesj | I think speed is not that imporent, and if you keep it lua it's easy for people to make changes | 18:27 |
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| Tak | "SB2 is totally distribution neutral. I develop it on Gentoo, but there's nothing in it that would inherently tie it to a particular distribution." | 18:28 |
| Tak | ( http://rahina.org/sb2/ ) | 18:28 |
| derf | It installs its own version of the apt tools. | 18:28 |
| derf | (in the target's chroot) | 18:29 |
| keesj | I know lle2 used to work on gentoo like me ,that is why I poped the question, | 18:29 |
| keesj | last time i cheched there was no install "debian" package yet | 18:29 |
| dragorn | so I'm a dpkg noob. Does fakeroot give tar/cpio/etc uid0 for all the files so that things line up w/ the install target? And then you put your suid controls and chown stuff into the install.sh? | 18:30 |
| derf | I've not been using SB2, but 1.0.7 or whatever works fine on Gentoo. | 18:30 |
| Tak | fakeroot autosets all the uid stuff | 18:30 |
| Tak | if you don't like the defaults, you need to chmod before dh_builddeb | 18:31 |
| smcv | dragorn: fakeroot remembers what UIDs it's been asked to set, so when you chmod a file then include it in a .deb inside the same fakeroot run, the metadata inside the .deb matches what it was chmod'd to | 18:31 |
| smcv | even though the real file on disk is owned by you:you | 18:32 |
| dragorn | right, ok. That's about what I'd thought. | 18:32 |
| kkito | are there any gstreamer example? | 18:37 |
| Tak | example of what? | 18:38 |
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| kender | hello | 18:50 |
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| kkito | Tak, an example of playing a mp3 file using the dspmp3 | 19:03 |
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| kkito | because dspmp3sink is a decoder and demuxer? | 19:05 |
| kender | yes | 19:05 |
| kender | it is | 19:05 |
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| lle2 | Tak: maybe ;) It seems to build some stuff every now and then, please try it, and email scratchbox-devel@scratchbox.org what happened | 19:07 |
| lle2 | or me directly if you feel shy :) | 19:08 |
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| lle2 | keesj: it doesn't require debian | 19:08 |
| lle2 | but you will need a debian or debian derivative to build .debs for n800 | 19:08 |
| lle2 | 'cause you need probably debhelper & co | 19:09 |
| lle2 | etch is the "tested" one | 19:09 |
| [mbm] | there's a number of codecs handled directly by the dsp | 19:09 |
| lle2 | keesj: suihkulokki is hopefully pushing sb2 to debian soonish | 19:09 |
| lle2 | derf: sb2 doesn't ship any of its own tools, it uses everything from the host | 19:13 |
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| lle2 | so in the future people need to provide a Debian Devkit for Gentoo (TM) thing and put it into their /usr/local or something | 19:14 |
| lle2 | or just create proper ebuilds of the debian build tools | 19:14 |
| lle2 | I know dpkg is there already | 19:14 |
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| lle2 | I know this sounds like a step back from sb1, but after you think about it for a few seconds, you will realize that it's totally superior | 19:15 |
| kkito | oh dspmp3sink is the decoder parser, converter and sink elements... | 19:17 |
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| kender | kkito, so, you only have to link it to a src, and forget about everything? I have had some problems with a python script and dspmp3sink and its links | 19:23 |
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| unique311 | back | 19:24 |
| unique311 | do you void the warranty booting of mmc? | 19:24 |
| kender | I don't think so | 19:25 |
| unique311 | cool | 19:25 |
| kkito | pipeline = gst_pipeline_new ("audio-player"); | 19:26 |
| kkito | source = gst_element_factory_make ("filesrc", "file-source"); decoder = gst_element_factory_make ("dspmp3sink", "mp3-decoder");g_object_set (G_OBJECT (source), "location", argv[1], NULL); | 19:26 |
| kkito | gst_bus_add_watch (gst_pipeline_get_bus (GST_PIPELINE (pipeline)), | 19:26 |
| kkito | bus_call, loop); gst_bin_add_many (GST_BIN (pipeline), | 19:26 |
| kkito | source, decoder, NULL);gst_element_link (source, decoder); | 19:26 |
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| kkito | it runs for me | 19:26 |
| kender | yeah | 19:26 |
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| kender | lastfmsrc = LastFMSource('src',user, password) | 19:27 |
| kender | decoder = gst.element_factory_make('decodebin') | 19:27 |
| kender | queue = gst.element_factory_make('queue') | 19:27 |
| kender | convert = gst.element_factory_make('audioconvert') | 19:27 |
| kender | sink = gst.element_factory_make('autoaudiosink', 'sink') | 19:27 |
| kender | those are mine elements in a normal pc | 19:27 |
| kender | so, I have to remove conver, decoder and sink; and put dspmp3sink? | 19:27 |
| kkito | change decoder fot dspmp3sink and remove the convert and sink | 19:28 |
| kkito | the queue i dont know what does that element | 19:28 |
| kkito | perhaps you must to remove too | 19:28 |
| kender | me either | 19:28 |
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| kender | I tried, but Seg. fault, or a linking error was the answer | 19:29 |
| kkito | perhaps the mp3sink only can read from a local file? | 19:29 |
| kender | mmm... | 19:29 |
| kkito | is the src an mp3? | 19:30 |
| kender | yeah it is | 19:30 |
| kender | :) | 19:30 |
| kender | kkito, if you want, I can give you the sources, if you want to try some other options | 19:31 |
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| kkito | kender, well i have no time now :P busy with my work | 19:33 |
| kender | hehehe | 19:33 |
| kender | =] | 19:33 |
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| Okko | Hello. Are there any known bugs in using WPA between N800 and Zyxel Prestige 660HW-61? IRC works fine with xchat and websites somewhat work too, but sometimes it the browser just hangs when waiting for reply to some images. A reload usually works soon after. | 19:36 |
| Okko | Also Gmail always hangs before it has loaded, but it works even on my GPRS connection without problems, so it's really weird. | 19:37 |
| unique311 | considering i just did the mmc boot mod, what happens when i extend the virtual memory to the card..does it slow down the system..running the os on the same card as the virtual memory | 19:38 |
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| kender | unique311, yes | 19:39 |
| kender | if the extended virtual memory is used the system will slow down | 19:39 |
| unique311 | so ther's rally no gain | 19:39 |
| unique311 | better softmod would be to extend the filesystem to mmc? | 19:41 |
| kender | well, there is a gain because you can open more apps at the same time, but the will be slower | 19:41 |
| kender | unique311, extend the filesystem to mmc? | 19:42 |
| unique311 | on regular memory, how many apps would you say is possible? | 19:42 |
| unique311 | ya | 19:42 |
| kender | N800 or 770? | 19:42 |
| unique311 | n800 | 19:42 |
| kkito | unique311, i run a full kde desktop on the n800, then i can say that a lot of apps :P | 19:42 |
| kender | hehehehe | 19:43 |
| kender | lol, a full kde desktop? | 19:43 |
| unique311 | wow | 19:43 |
| kender | no wow, please! hehehe, now that's property of Windows Vista :P | 19:43 |
| unique311 | put out a tutorial kkito | 19:43 |
| kkito | kender, kde 3,5,6 :P i am trying to do a gstreamer/osso-media-server backend for amarok now | 19:43 |
| kender | great! | 19:43 |
| kkito | unique311, someday i will do ti :P | 19:45 |
| unique311 | cool | 19:45 |
| unique311 | now is it necessary to extend virtual memory to mmc? | 19:45 |
| unique311 | i run 4 apps at max | 19:45 |
| lle2 | no | 19:46 |
| unique311 | k | 19:46 |
| kender | no, I haven't use it | 19:46 |
| lle2 | it was different with 770 | 19:46 |
| lle2 | that was way too short on ram | 19:46 |
| Okko | have you measured how fast the bundled 128MB card is for swap? | 19:46 |
| lle2 | the mmc has theoretical limit of 4.something MB/s if I remember right | 19:47 |
| Okko | the mmc interface? | 19:47 |
| lle2 | yeah, there's a bug | 19:48 |
| lle2 | it should be 9.something | 19:48 |
| lle2 | but in practise I think it's much slower than that | 19:48 |
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| lle2 | I haven't done any benchmarks myself though, I just remember seeing some | 19:49 |
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| unique311 | google phone | 19:51 |
| Okko | I bought a 150X card, I guess there's no real benefit of it then | 19:51 |
| kender | no really | 19:52 |
| lle2 | hard to say, things vary between cards as well | 19:52 |
| Okko | It could write 15 MB/s and read 22.5MB/s by the spec | 19:52 |
| derf | My N800 ran much better once I stopped using the mmc for swap. | 19:52 |
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| unique311 | http://www.ce.cn/cysc/communications/yjdt/200701/19/W020070119246715626597.jpg <---google phone | 19:53 |
| derf | As in, it stopped rebooting all the time, and going into infinite reboot cycles. | 19:53 |
| lle2 | hehe | 19:53 |
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| unique311 | http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/18/the-google-switch-an-iphone-killer/ | 19:54 |
| Okko | Are there any logs in the device that would show what's going on when the browser shows "Connecting" and the [ [] ] bounces? | 19:55 |
| unique311 | looks fragile | 19:55 |
| kender | unique311, iPhone too | 19:56 |
| unique311 | very true | 19:56 |
| unique311 | linux | 19:57 |
| tzz | derf: I noticed that too | 19:59 |
| tzz | derf: the internal card was the problem, using it made the N800 crash, even for normal usage such as viewing files | 20:00 |
| derf | tzz: Yes, I just took it out. | 20:00 |
| tzz | derf: as soon as I switched to external SD, everything was very stable | 20:00 |
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| derf | I don't think the internal one sits in the slot very well. | 20:01 |
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| tzz | derf: maybe that's the problem... anyhow, just wanted to let you know I think it's a consistent problem, not just something wrong with your N800. | 20:01 |
| derf | Maybe if you got a piece of tissue or something to wedge it in there, it would do better, but I haven't tried it. | 20:01 |
| derf | tzz: Thanks for the data point. | 20:01 |
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| Tak | kkito: did you see http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/manual/html/chapter-helloworld.html ? | 20:08 |
| kkito | Tak, yes i modifies that to play using the dspmp3sink | 20:09 |
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| Okko | umm, i'd like to install some packages from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/, and I have defined http://repository.maemo.org, bora, "free non-free" as a catalog, but I see no gstreamer for example, am I doing something wrong? | 20:09 |
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| Tak | Okko: if the package you want to install isn't in a user/something section, you won't see it in the application manager unless you enable "red pill" mode | 20:10 |
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| Tak | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 20:11 |
| Okko | how can I see the section of a given package? | 20:11 |
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| Okko | nevermind, I guess I can just enable that :) | 20:12 |
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| Okko | Tak: thanks for the tip! | 20:19 |
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| Veggen | Okku: but be careful. Some of the upgrades you're likely to see (most notably busybox) is kind of dangerous to install. Risk to have to reflash. | 20:20 |
| Okko | some of the packages you mean? | 20:26 |
| Okko | oh right, now it displays an update for busybox and magic:sys. | 20:27 |
| Okko | I guess I can then enable it to install for example gstreamer and then disable it again.. | 20:29 |
| Tak | gstreamer should already be installed | 20:29 |
| Okko | the 0.10 version wasn't | 20:30 |
| Tak | ah | 20:31 |
| Okko | i'm not sure if a previous version was, but at least http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/ doesn't show any other versions | 20:33 |
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| melmoth | anybody but me experiencing pygtk segfault , sometimes, when filling a treeview ? | 21:01 |
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| Okko | Is there an easy way to make a full backup with the installed applications and all? | 21:28 |
| ajturner_ | anyone have a build of Ruby for os2007? | 21:29 |
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| s-ndh-c | Okko: make a tar of the rootfs? | 21:33 |
| Tak | short answer: no | 21:34 |
| Okko | I'll rephrase, is there an easy way to both make a full backup and restore it after a flashing in a default image? Extracting a tar over a running system is not possible? | 21:34 |
| s-ndh-c | i think that doesnt works | 21:35 |
| derf | You need to boot from the mmc. | 21:35 |
| Okko | there should be a [x] installed packages option in the backup/restore app :) | 21:35 |
| derf | The backup/restore app is woefully incomplete. | 21:36 |
| dragorn | you might be able to make a shell script that scrapes dpkg | 21:36 |
| Tak | what I did with my last flash was: run the backup utility, make tarballs of /home, /etc, and /var, download the becomeroot and ssh packages to the mmc | 21:36 |
| Okko | so the easiest solution is not to screw things up :) | 21:37 |
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| derf | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card | 21:39 |
| derf | I guess you don't actually have to boot from the mmc to make the backup, but you will to restore it. | 21:40 |
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| Okko | I guess "easy" is a relative term.. My definition of easy would be a couple of ticks or one command, not becoming root and installing modules and partitioning memory cards. :) | 21:41 |
| Okko | but again thanks for the pointers, now I know how it should be done if I wanted to do it. | 21:42 |
| Okko | At the moment it would be easier to a) write down the installed additional apps and repository settings b) do the "light" backup c) flash d) manually install those few packages back. | 21:43 |
| Okko | at least to me | 21:44 |
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| Tak | I would at least back up /var (for the repo lists) | 21:46 |
| Tak | and download the becomeroot (770) and ssh (770 and n800) packages to the mmc (so you can restore the /var backup) | 21:47 |
| Okko | mkay | 21:48 |
| Tak | but I just hate re-adding all the repos | 21:49 |
| derf | I _definitely_ back up /etc | 21:49 |
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| Okko | how many repos do you have? | 21:49 |
| Tak | I dunno, a dozen or more | 21:50 |
| Okko | I have like 4, just got the device | 21:50 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 21:54 |
| lle2 | maybe somebody could do a repo-aggregator, like rss | 21:55 |
| derf | Or run it like a real distribution, and just have one or two? | 21:55 |
| lle2 | that's too much to ask | 21:55 |
| lle2 | it would require coordination | 21:55 |
| lle2 | we don't do that here | 21:55 |
| Tak | it *is* like a real distribution - there are one or two "official" ones, and then everybody else runs his own | 21:55 |
| Tak | just like all the unofficial debian repos for wine and mplayer and ... | 21:56 |
| derf | Right. Except that the official debian repos actually have a lot of useful software in them. | 21:56 |
| lle2 | are you saying our official repos don't have? ;) | 21:56 |
| lle2 | there's the email client, rss reader and.. | 21:57 |
| s-ndh-c | hehe | 21:57 |
| Tak | I was counting the extras repo as official as well | 21:57 |
| derf | lle2: I'll stop you when you name one that I actually use. | 21:58 |
| lle2 | derf: hmm.. that's a tough one | 21:58 |
| lle2 | mahjong is good | 21:58 |
| derf | Yeah, okay. I like mahjong. | 21:59 |
| lle2 | haha! | 21:59 |
| derf | But that's already installed. | 21:59 |
| derf | I don't need a repository to get it. | 21:59 |
| lle2 | I use mahjong maybe about 90% of the time when I actually use the device | 21:59 |
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| derf | I've played like 3 games. | 21:59 |
| lle2 | by far the most important application for me | 22:00 |
| derf | But damn, that marbles one is fun. | 22:00 |
| lle2 | I find it a little sad that I've actually managed to crash the device by playing mahjong | 22:00 |
| lle2 | dsp choked | 22:00 |
| lle2 | I think I tapped the touchscreen too fast | 22:01 |
| lle2 | the browser is ok too | 22:03 |
| lle2 | but not as critical | 22:03 |
| Tak | mine is like 50% xchat, 50% fceu | 22:04 |
| lle2 | it's nice for checking telkku.com from the sofa | 22:04 |
| lle2 | in between sessions of mahjong | 22:04 |
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| keesj | I think I undedstant the "1" it's for a two player on one machine mode | 22:16 |
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| dyncorp | anybody running the atari st emulator on the 770/800/ | 22:26 |
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