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| bhima | I don't like the look of the 870. It doesn't look as pretty as the 770. | 02:37 |
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| minra | I LOVE THE 770!!!!! | 03:14 |
| minra | right now i miss some unix commands tho | 03:15 |
| minra | ping | 03:15 |
| minra | /usr/bin/play (for kismet) | 03:15 |
| minra | anybody here? | 03:19 |
| glass | yes | 03:20 |
| Juhaz | of course not. you're just hallucinating the 117 other people | 03:20 |
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| Juhaz | ping is availabe, take a look at application catalog | 03:20 |
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| minra | ty juhaz... i did not see it | 03:26 |
| minra | i am still in the "OMG this is so awesome" phase of 770 ownership | 03:27 |
| minra | gonna upgrade my kernel tonight to get that 2gb rs-mmc thing going | 03:28 |
| minra | this thing has replaced my psion netbook | 03:29 |
| minra | btw i found a guy who ported the nx client to arm (for the netbook) itd be nice to have nx as well as vnc for the 770 | 03:31 |
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| myren | ! | 03:34 |
| myren | nx on arm? fuck'n a | 03:34 |
| myren | taht _has_ to run like balls | 03:35 |
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| minra | actually it ran better than vnc, which needs to de-jpeg everything | 03:38 |
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| minra | the netbook has a 190 mhz arm... so it should be comparable | 03:39 |
| Pio | so that support for 2 gb rs-mmc is pretty simple right? im getting a 770 for xmas, wondering about my options in that area | 03:40 |
| glass | yeah | 03:40 |
| minra | what kernel do you recommment? i need nfs, 2gb but no ipv6 | 03:42 |
| minra | oh another question... is openssh or dropbear better ? | 03:43 |
| myren | vnc sucks | 03:49 |
| myren | i hope the 870 supports SDHC | 03:50 |
| myren | 4gb is not sufficient | 03:50 |
| myren | 8gb is tolerable | 03:50 |
| minra | ok i am just throwing them out now... respond if you feel like it and thanks in advance | 03:50 |
| minra | is there a way to switch apps with a key combo? like alt-tab | 03:50 |
| glass | press the home thing button for a long time | 03:51 |
| minra | thx glass that works... i will keep looking for a way to quickly switch apps with my keyboard | 03:53 |
| minra | there is always a way... with open source | 03:53 |
| minra | i hope nokia is making money with these things | 03:55 |
| myren | not significantly, i'm afraid | 03:55 |
| myren | its still sooo niche | 03:55 |
| glass | very niche | 03:55 |
| glass | compared to other nokia stuff | 03:55 |
| myren | usb missile launchers are more niche | 03:55 |
| myren | that was the only thing i could think of that was more niche | 03:55 |
| myren | oohh dude | 03:56 |
| myren | oh fuck | 03:56 |
| myren | there is no usb host | 03:56 |
| myren | is there | 03:56 |
| myren | that would've rocked. webcam 870 + usb missile launcher == remote turrent install | 03:56 |
| glass | there's a way to enable usb host | 03:58 |
| glass | you need to construct a special cable though | 03:58 |
| glass | it needs the +5v line | 03:58 |
| glass | i haven't done it myself so that's all i know about it | 03:59 |
| minra | i have read that also. too bad.. it is so sexy, i get women chatting me up when i surf in cafes | 03:59 |
| glass | "ok" | 04:00 |
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| minra | well ill come back when im less enthusiastic. :) | 04:03 |
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| myren | "ok" | 04:13 |
| myren | ;) | 04:13 |
| myren | i can get +5v somewhere | 04:13 |
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| minra | a faster nokia would be nice | 05:06 |
| myren | i hope the dsp gets an upgrade | 05:06 |
| myren | i want better video resolution | 05:06 |
| myren | gimme more headroom and i'll start using it for audio effects processing | 05:07 |
| minra | so the new thing is the 870? it will be released? | 05:07 |
| minra | heh | 05:07 |
| minra | there is no line input... what for effects processing.... | 05:08 |
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| myren | i regularly abuse the @#$@#$ out of usb sound card | 05:08 |
| myren | 24/96 is permissable | 05:09 |
| myren | although if you want really cool sound processing, 24/192 is the way to go | 05:09 |
| Tak-roaming | video resolution is fine unless it gets a bigger screen | 05:09 |
| myren | two mics and you can do @#$@#$ triangulation at that rate | 05:09 |
| minra | true | 05:12 |
| Tak-roaming | why would you want to triangulate @#$@#$ ? | 05:13 |
| minra | you could do motion capture with audio | 05:15 |
| myren | in case there are snipers on the rooftops, DUH | 05:16 |
| myren | well, once you triangulate a noise source, its very easy to filter out all audio not coming from that point | 05:17 |
| myren | "very easy" may be slightly inaccurate | 05:17 |
| myren | and slightly inaccurate might be a gross underestimation | 05:17 |
| minra | that is supposing you have a multichannel adc that works with usb and the 770 | 05:18 |
| myren | usb sound cards are extremely uniform | 05:21 |
| myren | they're very simply very stupid data pipes | 05:21 |
| minra | you are a freak. nice to meet you. | 05:21 |
| myren | it was required for this computer engineering degree | 05:22 |
| minra | mmh... i am freezing... and my internal memory is full with downloads | 05:26 |
| minra | gotta hit the sack... ttyl | 05:26 |
| myren | have fun buffer dumping | 05:26 |
| myren | try not to slobber too much | 05:27 |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 10:44 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:50 |
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| AD-N770 | good morningç | 11:19 |
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| jonek | morning | 11:32 |
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| florian_kc | good morning | 11:53 |
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| ferenc | hello | 12:17 |
| florian_kc | hey ferenc | 12:20 |
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| X-Fade | Canola released yet? :) | 15:36 |
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| waite | Not that I see. I was hoping for a morning present | 15:37 |
| waite | From Marcelo's blog: "It’s 1:27 am , november 29th, and I’ll post again only to link to the hotsite, etc. Hours left only know" | 15:39 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, have been tracking that one too :) | 15:39 |
| simon | so there are more people jumping around waiting for the canola release? ;) | 15:39 |
| waite | If the app is a s good as their PR..... | 15:40 |
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| |tbb| | anyone using freedom mini bt keyboard, before ? | 16:10 |
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| Guardian | i just fucking hate the flasher tool | 16:21 |
| Guardian | Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 16:21 |
| Guardian | USB device found found at bus 003, device address 003 | 16:21 |
| Guardian | Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted | 16:21 |
| Guardian | bleh :( | 16:21 |
| nomis | Guardian: you need to be root for raw access to the USB bus. | 16:22 |
| Guardian | hmm the wiki said "command needs execute permissions" "not as root" | 16:23 |
| nomis | eh, what? | 16:23 |
| nomis | That'd surprise me. | 16:23 |
| Guardian | ah nice | 16:23 |
| Guardian | "try with a newer version of flasher program" | 16:23 |
| Guardian | i just downloaded it =) | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | Are using flasher-2.0? | 16:24 |
| Guardian | i'm making sure of it | 16:24 |
| Guardian | i prolly clicked the wrong link | 16:24 |
| _follower_ | flasher 2.0 : more raincoats than ever before! | 16:24 |
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| Guardian | please where are the rootimagescripts to be put ? | 17:34 |
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| koen | cute, media streamer detects my mythbox | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | koen: mine too (I'm sure it didn't before - maybe after I apt-get install libupnp) - but I couldn't play anything | 17:45 |
| waite | koen, wow. Media streamer could not find my wizd or swisscenter installs | 17:45 |
| koen | same here | 17:45 |
| koen | Jaffa: maybe I can get it to work | 17:46 |
| * koen looks at the media streamer source code | 17:46 | |
| * koen coughs | 17:46 | |
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| koen | Jaffa: "object not found"? | 17:46 |
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| Jaffa | koen: zactly | 17:47 |
| * Jaffa had hoped the UPnP server in Myth would also allow you to control what it's playing (I suppose it might in the otherwise dire MythMusic) | 17:48 | |
| Guardian | please, wiki says "As a prerequisite, you need to have maemo 2.1 installed on your computer. Also, you need the following scripts from the subversion repository installed into your working root reference file system directory: make_rootimage.sh ..." | 17:48 |
| Guardian | "Create symbolic links to these scripts under your Scratchbox home directory, from an empty working directory. As a side note, the same scripts can be used to create custom rootstraps." | 17:48 |
| Guardian | it's unclear where to put what :( | 17:48 |
| Jaffa | koen: Maybe Canola will be better at it... | 17:50 |
| koen | vapourwareola? | 17:51 |
| Jaffa | Shocking. Just because it's constantly hyped and not released. Not sure I agree with the amount of hype for it, especially a v0.1 release which is bound to be buggy. | 17:54 |
| Jaffa | Could be good, though (if it's not vapourwareola) | 17:54 |
| * mgedmin saw the demo video and wasn't impressed with the UI | 18:00 | |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin: doesn't look like it'll be great for getting to a specific item in a long list (I still maintain the iPod's wheel is best for that as the user can control the scroll rate intuitively) | 18:02 |
| mgedmin | I noticed that the person demoing it had to retry his actions very often to actually hit the too-small controls | 18:03 |
| bergie | has anyone tried to compile the Democracy Player for Maemo? http://www.getdemocracy.com/downloads/ | 18:04 |
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| Guardian | how can i change the ip of the 770 when using usb networking ? | 18:09 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin: yeah, I noticed that too. | 18:13 |
| Jaffa | bergie: it depends on a whole load of stuff to do the actual playback; Democracy itself is basically just a container. | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | democracyplayer 0.9.0-1 from Debian doesn't want to build in my scratchbox because "no available versions of package cdbs can satisfy version requirements" | 18:15 |
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| bergie | Jaffa: and I guess transcoding on 770 processor would be an interesting experience :-) | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | hehehehehehe | 18:26 |
| mgedmin | imagine connecting a USB DVD drive to the 770 and ripping DVDs | 18:26 |
| bhima | Interesting? How is sitting around for a month without your gadget "interesting"? | 18:26 |
| bhima | You'd probably just be better off waiting for the movie to enter the public domain than transcode an HD version down using the 770's CPU. | 18:27 |
| Fatal | without? you would naturally cradle it for the duration | 18:27 |
| * mgedmin is struck by an idea: a "boot reason" home applet that shows why my device just rebooted | 18:27 | |
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| koen | bhima: people run gentoo on they ~200MHz arm toys | 18:27 |
| Fatal | koen: that's not people | 18:27 |
| koen | bhima: you'll always had idiots ;) | 18:27 |
| Tak | koen: think of the optimalizations!!!!! | 18:28 |
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| mgedmin | gentoo has the noble goal to keep the idiots busy | 18:29 |
| Tak | that would be a great email signature | 18:30 |
| Pierre | lol | 18:31 |
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| bhima | Can you give me a one sentence summary of what's wrong with gentoo? I don't actually know much about it. | 18:37 |
| Guardian | when setting up sbrsh, do i have to export /scratchbox/users/<USER>/targets/<TARGET> or /scratchbox/users/<USER>/targets/ | 18:38 |
| Tak | 90% of its users build everything from source into identical binaries | 18:38 |
| bhima | But, but, but...how can you _know_ they'll be identical if you don't build them? | 18:39 |
| bhima | I know! I'll make a "gentoo-secure" distribution. It'll be just like gentoo, but it'll md5 all your binaries and make sure they're correct before it installs them. :) | 18:39 |
| koen | there's nothing wrong with gentoo! | 18:40 |
| koen | it's the only source-based distro! | 18:40 |
| koen | </idiot mode> | 18:40 |
| ||cw | what's wrong with it is that time it takes you to compile your crap "for optimal performance" will take 5 years to get back from the actual performance gain | 18:41 |
| Tak | lol - I can imagine storing like 1000 md5sums for each package | 18:41 |
| Tak | actually, I wish apt-source (dpkg --source) would incorporate some of the stuff from emerge/portage, like being able to have a global set of USE flags (-qt) that apply | 18:42 |
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| Tak | then if package foo depends on libhateme because of the way the default binary was configured (but it's not actually required), you could just apt-source it quickly without having to fiddle with debian/* | 18:43 |
| bergie | bhima: I think the use case for something like democracy would be downloading stuff overnight, and then watching during commute | 18:43 |
| bhima | ||cw: yeah, but overnight my computer doesn't do much, so I don't mind if it does random recompiling at night. | 18:44 |
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| ||cw | Tak: dpkg-build supports taking flags to change the compile options | 18:44 |
| Tak | ||cw: in a global blah.conf? | 18:45 |
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| ||cw | Tak: no, generaly that kind of overide is specific to the package you are building | 18:46 |
| Tak | yeah | 18:48 |
| Tak | even better would be if apt tracks your flags, and installs binaries for the packages that aren't affected, and automagically builds the source packages for those that are | 18:49 |
| Guardian | ARMEL 192.168.2.15 <password> | 18:49 |
| Guardian | nfs 192.168.2.14:/scratchbox/users/<username>/targets/ARMEL / rw,nolock,noac | 18:49 |
| Guardian | nfs 192.168.2.14:/scratchbox/users/<username>/home /home rw,nolock,noac | 18:49 |
| Guardian | bind /dev /dev | 18:49 |
| Guardian | bind /dev/pts /dev/pts | 18:49 |
| Guardian | bind /proc /proc | 18:49 |
| Guardian | bind /tmp /tmp | 18:49 |
| Guardian | oops :( | 18:50 |
| Guardian | sorry | 18:50 |
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| Tak | kind of a fusion of apt/emerge | 18:57 |
| Tak | where the default is to install the binary package, but in special cases reconfooble and build the source package | 18:57 |
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| Tak | but really I'm just BSing | 19:01 |
| Tak | so how do I upload a source package to maemo extras? | 19:01 |
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| mgedmin | with dput? | 19:06 |
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| Guardian | hmm when i try to setup sbrsh, i stop at the step where the device is supposed to open a dialog box, just after having checked the "enable cpu transparency" box | 19:10 |
| Guardian | any idea please ? | 19:10 |
| Tak | dput is fine; other methods are fine as well | 19:12 |
| Tak | I noticed when I ran the ExtrasRepository instructions, it only uploaded the binaries and diffs | 19:13 |
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| |tbb| | what about the canola playa, is it allready out now? | 19:34 |
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| adoyle | Anyone know if there's a command-line equivalent of the "Select connection" dialog? I want to be able to sense other wifi access points while still remaining connected to whichever network I'm currently on. | 19:37 |
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| |tbb| | iwlist scan ? | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | but you'll probably need to install wireless-tools separately | 19:38 |
| |tbb| | mgedmin: your macchanger .deb wont work with n770 | 19:39 |
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| |tbb| | :/ | 19:39 |
| adoyle | rats. I just had to reflash yesterday and have not reinstalled that. So I can't test it. I'll be back... | 19:39 |
| adoyle | I seem to recall that that doesn't quite work. | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | |tbb|: suspected so | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | what's the error message? | 19:40 |
| |tbb| | i cant even install it | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | what's the error message? | 19:40 |
| |tbb| | with the application manager | 19:40 |
| adoyle | ok. this is it. If I'm connected, iwlist scan returns only the current AP | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | what's the error message? | 19:40 |
| adoyle | If I disconnect, I see more APs | 19:40 |
| |tbb| | will try it later at home again akku power down :/ | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | ... you know that the application manager has a log that shows error messages? | 19:41 |
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| bhima | This would be a lot easier if the 770 had a massive DSP and a software-defined radio system. | 19:41 |
| |tbb| | i know but without battery power and no cable for powersupply its hard to read a log file on the n770 | 19:41 |
| |tbb| | ;) | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | ah, ouch, yes | 19:42 |
| adoyle | iwlist scan (with no current connection) -> wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning. | 19:43 |
| * adoyle digs to find magic to make it scannable | 19:44 | |
| |tbb| | hmmh | 19:44 |
| |tbb| | iwconfig wlan0 mode managed and then try again btw ifconfig wlan0 up before | 19:44 |
| adoyle | ooh. that works | 19:46 |
| adoyle | but then if I connect, I can only see my own AP. | 19:46 |
| adoyle | I guess I can drop the connection, scan, then connect again and see if that's not too disruptive | 19:47 |
| |tbb| | may the others be hide the essid | 19:47 |
| adoyle | basically, I'm trying to build this: http://museum.mit.edu/mwow/files/notes/mwow-demo-architecture.pdf | 19:47 |
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| pokute_ | Anyone else excited about canola? | 20:17 |
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| rev | well | 20:18 |
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| Tak | pokute_: apparently not | 20:18 |
| rev | well, we all love rapeseed oil | 20:18 |
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| rev | but i don't see canola becoming a bigger part of my life than say, olive | 20:19 |
| Tak | olive_oil++ | 20:19 |
| bhima | Yeah. I'm fine with olive. I don't see canola really doing much. | 20:19 |
| waite | Ahh but I wouldn't want to fry with olive. | 20:19 |
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| |tbb| | olive who or what is olive | 20:23 |
| waite | It is 4:20 PM in Brazil. It can't be much longer < 12 hours anyway | 20:23 |
| waite | Weren't we discussing the merits of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_oil vs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canola_oil ??? | 20:24 |
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| rev | waite: yeah | 20:26 |
| rev | but i don't tihnk that is what pokute_ intended! | 20:26 |
| rev | this seems to be canola: http://xantus.vox.com/library/video/6a00b8ea0728391bc000cd96fb53b64cd5.html | 20:27 |
| waite | Well EVERYONE is excited about the media player I thought that was understood :) | 20:27 |
| rev | oh | 20:27 |
| rev | i'd not heard of it myself ; | 20:27 |
| rev | p | 20:27 |
| pokute_ | Heh, figured it was a stupid question. | 20:27 |
| waite | I've been refreshing Marcelo's blog all morning | 20:27 |
| pokute_ | I'm just idling on this channel a lot but rarely read it. | 20:28 |
| * Tak is less than excited as well | 20:28 | |
| pokute_ | Just like I was excited about a mineral water some years ago. :-) | 20:28 |
| rev | it looks like a neat app | 20:29 |
| rev | but not my thing | 20:29 |
| * rev mostly programs/develops, web browses and reads ebooks on his 770 | 20:29 | |
| Tak | ditto @ not my thing | 20:29 |
| rev | i guess i i listen to NPR streaming, but that's it, so i don't need an app to manage such a thing | 20:30 |
| rev | i just hit play at the home screen | 20:30 |
| Tak | I use mine for dev/testing, remote control, emulated gaming, and my fiancee uses it for PIM stuff as well as music player | 20:30 |
| rev | it's the only thing listed there | 20:30 |
| waite | My 2 year old refers to my 770 as "Dance! Dance! Dance! Peease!" | 20:31 |
| rev | haha | 20:31 |
| rev | because of the music? | 20:31 |
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| pokute_ | I use mine for rare web surfing when away from home, watching videos when away from home and occasionally webradio when away from home and having a wiki access. | 20:31 |
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| waite | I use it at home for web/email/music | 20:32 |
| rev | speaking of kids and the 770... i started doing this reading program at a local elemtary school- i have a 'reading partner' with whom i read a book for 30 minutes every thursday | 20:32 |
| bhima | My 770 is missing half the 'A' in Nokia from when my 1 year old bit it last year. :) | 20:32 |
| rev | bhima: hahaha | 20:32 |
| waite | bhiam, I will remember that! | 20:32 |
| rev | anyway, i was showing my reading partner my new tiny ipod shuffle and my nokia, both of which i had on me, and she found the chess game in there... so, instead of reading, for the last two times we've met we've played chess instead of reading. pretty smart kid for a 7 year old! | 20:33 |
| pokute_ | My 770 has made some close contact negotiations with asphalt, but the dents and scratches just give it some character. | 20:33 |
| rev | heh, yeah | 20:33 |
| * rev is glad that outer shell is metal | 20:33 | |
| rev | i've a couple dents in it, but i was glad it was dented metal and not scuffed plastic | 20:33 |
| Tak | mine has this weird chip out of the rear part of the plastic around the bottom plugs | 20:33 |
| rev | d'oh | 20:34 |
| myren | i've got a fujitsu p1120 that has been severely abused | 20:34 |
| myren | there's a two inch gash down the cover | 20:34 |
| rev | i've dropped my nice fancy-pants phone (ppc-6700) way too many times | 20:35 |
| rev | it has a habit of jumping out of my hands somehow | 20:35 |
| waite | Anyone else remember the old Motorola Startak phones. Could run over it and it would work | 20:36 |
| rev | hehe | 20:36 |
| rev | same with apple's newtons | 20:36 |
| waite | Now my paint scrapes after a week in my pocket | 20:36 |
| bhima | I remember them. | 20:36 |
| rev | i still have an eMate... the emate can take a cinderblock dropped onto it from 2 meters and barely get a scuff | 20:37 |
| bhima | The starTAC phones were quite pricey, though... | 20:37 |
| bhima | Oh, the eMate was the rugged one. The others aren't that rugged through. | 20:37 |
| bhima | rev: Have you done the hinge modification to it...? | 20:37 |
| waite | They were, but well worth it. It is the only phone that I have owned that lasted the full 2 year contract | 20:37 |
| rev | bhima: what's that? | 20:37 |
| * rev googles | 20:37 | |
| bhima | rev: Something that you _must_ do before you open it up again... | 20:37 |
| myren | thoe startaks were pretty amazing | 20:37 |
| bhima | Basically, there's soem grease that will seize up. | 20:38 |
| myren | heh | 20:38 |
| waite | and once you need to buy a phone at full price, they don't look that expensive | 20:38 |
| myren | supposedly a guy who was here before me had a oldschool panasonic toughbook | 20:38 |
| bhima | When it does, the spring will pop out of place... | 20:38 |
| myren | to show how tough it was, he hurled it off the balcony | 20:38 |
| bhima | And when you close the lid, you'll puncture the ribbon cable. | 20:38 |
| myren | of course it shattered into a million pieces | 20:38 |
| rev | bhima: good lord, sounds ghastly | 20:38 |
| bhima | rev: Yeah. it takes a couple years to happen, but it's pretty much guaranteed to happen :( | 20:39 |
| bhima | Ribbon cables are prolly worth as much as eMates. :) | 20:39 |
| rev | i wish i was a hardware hacker type... i wonder how hard it would be to have the keyboard from an emate be used on an 770 | 20:39 |
| rev | or | 20:39 |
| rev | i guess i could maybe put a bluetooth keyboard in the emate shell | 20:39 |
| rev | if it'd fit | 20:39 |
| bhima | It wouldn't really fit. What's your goal? | 20:40 |
| rev | to make a convertible laptop | 20:40 |
| rev | i've made a few before | 20:40 |
| |tbb| | anyone using freedom mini bt keyboard? | 20:40 |
| rev | couple for the dell axim and one half-done for the 770 | 20:40 |
| rev | |tbb|: i do, but not yet on my 770- i have to find where it went after we moved... is it working for you? | 20:40 |
| bhima | Find an emate with a shattered screen. Write a little app which loads up at boot and sends the keystrokes out the serial port. | 20:41 |
| rev | bhima: an emate case, with handle, would be so much neater than the stuff i've used before- cardboard, plastic VHS boxes, and a metal nintendo DS case | 20:41 |
| bhima | Put a USB/serial converter in the eMate, or put a bluetooth interface into it. | 20:41 |
| |tbb| | i dont have it now, i think about to buying it | 20:41 |
| rev | |tbb|: don't | 20:41 |
| |tbb| | not a good device? | 20:41 |
| rev | |tbb|: they don't do bluetooth HID, but use a serial profile that requires special drivers | 20:42 |
| rev | |tbb|: for any platform they're used on... there are drivers written for it for teh 770, but i've not tried it yet myself. someone in channel wrote it, can't remember the nick though | 20:42 |
| bhima | If you wanted to be uber-l33t, you could figure out how to write a Newton app which would directly do PCMCIA bus transactions on the PCMCIA slot in the eMate... | 20:42 |
| rev | |tbb|: it works great for me on both WM2003 and WM5 on my dell axim x51v, but on other platforms, unless there's a driver you are SOL | 20:43 |
| rev | bhima: now you're getting way too complicated... ;) | 20:43 |
| bhima | ...and then write a stub driver that would pass PCMCIA over a comms link from the n770. | 20:43 |
| rev | |tbb|: it is a tempting keyboard because of the number row- i personally can't stand the lack of number rows on other PDA keyboards | 20:43 |
| |tbb| | on internettablettalk forum someone says it worked for him, cant remember the name | 20:43 |
| rev | |tbb|: well, you will probably be able to get it to work with the driver | 20:44 |
| |tbb| | so if its run it is a really good keyboard? what about the nokia bt keyboard? | 20:44 |
| rev | |tbb|: but because it doesn't use HID, the minute you try to use it on something new- whether it's something like windos vista or maybe IT OS 2007, or OS X some platform for which there's no driver, you'll be completely SOL | 20:44 |
| rev | |tbb|: the only bluetooth keyboard i've used is the freedom kb- and it's a fine kb, i like it myself, and it's worked great on WinCE for me. like i said, i don't know where i put it, so i've not tried it out on my nokia yet | 20:45 |
| rev | |tbb|: http://fanoush.webpark.cz/maemo/#kbdd | 20:45 |
| rev | |tbb|: i'm not saying don't get it- just know what you're getting into | 20:46 |
| bhima | I liek the ThinkOutside keyboard, though I need to get mine repaired. A pin dropped out of it. | 20:46 |
| rev | |tbb|: i've been quite satisfied with it, and very happy that i have a number row- i have having ti hit 3 keys for various punctuation, which i had to on the last PDA keyboard i had | 20:46 |
| |tbb| | how fast u are typing textes with the keyboard | 20:48 |
| rev | i wonder if this keyboard works on thbe 770... it uses the HID and has a number row- http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/hp-ipaq-bluetooth-keyboard-en.shtml | 20:48 |
| rev | |tbb|: i've not tested. but easily 60-70 WPM | 20:48 |
| rev | i have fat fingers, but i've never had a problem typing fast on little keyboards; i can get a good 60 WPM on my jornada 720 | 20:49 |
| bhima | I've been a keyboard fetishist since Apple released the Newton Keyboard. | 20:49 |
| rev | bhima: i actually didn't like the newton keyboard all that much... funky feeling. i prefer the emate's. but with the newton HWR, i was able to write a good 40-45 WPM, so the only thing i used the keyboard for when i was in happy MP2100 land was writing NewtonScript or LaTeX code | 20:50 |
| |tbb| | ctrl and alt keys working? | 20:51 |
| |tbb| | oh i forgot u havent test it on a 770 | 20:51 |
| rev | |tbb|: like i said, never used it on the nokia 770... but they both worked fine on WinCE | 20:51 |
| rev | and i used both ctrl and alt on CE in my programming environment | 20:52 |
| rev | but that'd be more a feature of the driver, so yeah | 20:52 |
| rev | man | 20:52 |
| rev | i wish i knew where that freaking keyboard was | 20:52 |
| rev | man, i wish the 770 just had a usb port | 20:53 |
| koen | it has | 20:53 |
| rev | koen: well, i don't want to solder | 20:53 |
| koen | next to the charger input | 20:53 |
| rev | no, a usb host port | 20:53 |
| rev | for plugging in a usb keyboard | 20:53 |
| |tbb| | rev ./join #wishlist soon its christmas ;) | 20:53 |
| rev | :) | 20:54 |
| mgedmin | or a ready-made battery-powered usb power injector | 20:54 |
| rev | yeah | 20:54 |
| * mgedmin bought all the parts already and is now looking for a friend who knows how to solder | 20:54 | |
| rev | fun, mgedmin ! | 20:54 |
| rev | anyone ever used a bluetooth mouse on the 770? | 20:55 |
| * rev has a nice Stowaway Travel Mouse | 20:56 | |
| Tak | I thought you could use a self-powered usb hub? | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | you still have to find or make a three-headed USB cable for it | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | I looked in all the shops, and none have it here | 20:57 |
| mgedmin | (and most online shops do not want to ship to eastern europe) | 20:58 |
| Tak | why? | 20:58 |
| Tak | can't you go: 770 <--->hub<---->other device(s) ? | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | doesn't work with a regular cable | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | I tried | 20:59 |
| Tak | that sucks | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | you need to inject the +5V into the 770 <--> hub cable | 20:59 |
| Tak | do you know why not? | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | two reasons | 20:59 |
| waite | tak, you need to feed 5V into the 770 to power the USB host chip | 20:59 |
| Tak | why, if the hub doesn't need the power? | 20:59 |
| Tak | ah | 20:59 |
| mgedmin | some say the USB chipset on the 770 is powered from the USB port, not internally | 21:00 |
| Tak | I didn't realize the 770 usb chipset wasn't 770-powered | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | also, many USB hubs use switched power and only enable the other device ports when they sense a connection on the upstream port | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | there are some USB hubs that don't do that, and instead send +5V to the upstream port | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | these work out of the box with the 770 | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | but violate the USB spec | 21:00 |
| mgedmin | as far as I've heard | 21:00 |
| Tak | that would be perfect | 21:02 |
| * Tak hates soldering | 21:02 | |
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| |tbb| | perfect would it be if the n770 doesnt need extra modifications to use it in host mode :) | 21:04 |
| Tak | well yes | 21:04 |
| Tak | perfect would be if the 770 was a fanless, well-cooled dual opteron machine with 4 gigs of ram, a builtin usb hub and hardware keyboard, as well as some goddamn buttons on the right side | 21:05 |
| mgedmin | ooh ooh ooh and a vga out port | 21:05 |
| mgedmin | and smaller and with longer battery life | 21:05 |
| glass | wireless vga | 21:05 |
| Tak | and several SD slots | 21:05 |
| glass | and a projector | 21:05 |
| glass | and 10000 gigs of ram | 21:05 |
| waite | So basically an OQO | 21:06 |
| koen | built-in altix cluster | 21:06 |
| glass | and all usb devices you could possibly want attached already, so no need for usb really | 21:06 |
| waite | well that would be a compromise to the Opeteron | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | but thinner and running linux | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | and cheaper | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | and would come with a pony | 21:06 |
| Tak | and a gallon of napalm for use with said pony | 21:06 |
| waite | Don't forget HD TV tuner and 1 Tb drive space with no seek time | 21:06 |
| glass | dunno, pony meat isn't that good afaik. better make it beef | 21:07 |
| waite | mmmm cooked pony. | 21:07 |
| Tak | dwarf-ridden ponies taste the best | 21:07 |
| |tbb| | what about the coffee machine, a must have in this price class! ;) | 21:08 |
| Tak | ooo! it could be part of the cooling solution | 21:08 |
| Tak | the water for the coffee is used to extract heat from the cpus | 21:09 |
| Tak | so not only is it liquid-cooled, but you have a continuous source of fresh coffee | 21:09 |
| Tak | the perfect geek device | 21:09 |
| * Tak begins filing US patents | 21:10 | |
| |tbb| | bbl | 21:11 |
| |tbb| | Tak, dont forget to sign my name under the patent, k!? | 21:12 |
| Tak | is there nfs client support in the stock kernel (2006.whateverthesecondreleaseis) ? | 21:12 |
| Tak | |tbb|: roger | 21:12 |
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| bhima | Drive space? Why don't you simply put in a TB of non-volatile zero wait-state full bus speed cache? | 21:16 |
| Tak | yeah, HDDs are so 1990s | 21:17 |
| glass | infinite space drive | 21:17 |
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| Guardian | re | 21:27 |
| Tak | hmm, what's the variable you have to export for SDL apps? | 21:27 |
| * Tak apparently hasn't been doing so | 21:27 | |
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| timeless | there are powered hubs from targus... | 21:38 |
| timeless | oh, right, but to use it requires some soldering or something :) | 21:39 |
| Guardian | is flashing supposed to work when the 770 is connected to a hub ? | 21:42 |
| timeless | i'm pretty sure it does work | 21:42 |
| timeless | i could test if you are really curious | 21:42 |
| * timeless has a bunch of hubs handy | 21:42 | |
| timeless | (keyboards, displays) | 21:42 |
| Guardian | well | 21:42 |
| Guardian | for me it did not this afternoon | 21:43 |
| Guardian | may be because of the hub itself | 21:43 |
| timeless | ok, lemme try :) | 21:43 |
| Guardian | but nothing really worked this afternon =) | 21:43 |
| Guardian | from flashing to sbrsh with scratchbox apophis | 21:44 |
| timeless | yip | 21:44 |
| * timeless got an error from windows complaining about the device | 21:44 | |
| Guardian | tomorrow is another day ... i was pretty pissed off :) | 21:44 |
| timeless | works fine w/ a powered hub | 21:48 |
| timeless | doesn't work w/ a keyboard hub | 21:48 |
| timeless | (tested wXP) | 21:48 |
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| timeless | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=208900&cid=17035972 | 22:15 |
| timeless | oops | 22:15 |
| timeless | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=208900&cid=17035874 | 22:15 |
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| rev | neat, timeless! | 22:16 |
| Tak | timeless: do you know if the powered hub you tried is one of those that provides +5V upstream? | 22:16 |
| sbaturzio | Piega`_: Ciao! Posso aprire una query? | 22:16 |
| timeless | the hub was for flashing the device.. | 22:17 |
| timeless | the powered hub i use on the 770 is a hack an engineer does | 22:17 |
| timeless | unrelated thing :| | 22:17 |
| Piega`_ | si | 22:17 |
| Piega`_ | #maemo-it | 22:18 |
| Tak | uhh | 22:18 |
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| |tbb| | who like trance music? go to djdoboy.com and put the plazlist toyour radiostation on n770 | 22:19 |
| Tak | timeless: so you used a hacked hub and not a stock one? | 22:20 |
| timeless | for which? | 22:20 |
| timeless | to flash the device i used a standard dell lcd | 22:20 |
| timeless | to plug random devices into the 770 w/ the 770 as the computer, i have but don't really use a hacked powered hub | 22:21 |
| Tak | to use with the 770 in host mode | 22:21 |
| Tak | k, thanks | 22:21 |
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| timeless | i'm not a hardware engineer, i have no idea how the hack goes, but presumably it's something one could figure out from schematics and specs if one was familiar w/ hardware and soldering | 22:22 |
| * timeless sighs | 22:22 | |
| timeless | http://www.math.ku.dk/~eilers/lego.html#howgetright | 22:22 |
| timeless | is it bad that this web sight can't spell "heights" correctly? | 22:23 |
| koen | or spell 'site' | 22:24 |
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| * timeless cries | 22:24 | |
| timeless | i don't think i've made that typo before | 22:25 |
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| timeless | e.g. i don't read what i'm writing here, because it comes back to me longer after i've written it (very high latency due to ssh tunnels) | 22:32 |
| mgedmin | "firefox can't find the server at www.math.ku.dk" | 22:33 |
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| timeless | google cache? *shrug* | 22:34 |
| timeless | it's available in cache | 22:34 |
| koen | Jaffa: "Make sure you set the proper external IP in mythtv-setup, otherwise you will be able to see your server via UPnP, but the file location urls will contain the default 127.0.0.1 IP address." | 22:34 |
| Tak | timeless: well, I'm talking more specifically about documents and emails | 22:35 |
| * timeless nods | 22:35 | |
| Tak | irc isn't permanent enough to care about | 22:35 |
| timeless | i'm appologizing for botching sight | 22:35 |
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| bhima | One older MacOS word processor had a really nifty dictionary system. It stored hashes of words, rather than words themselves... | 22:41 |
| bhima | The only real problem with it is that you can't enumerate a list of words in the dictionary. | 22:41 |
| pokute_ | that's bad when there's no suggestions in correct forms... | 22:42 |
| bhima | To come up with alternate spelling suggestions, it would apply some permutation algorithms to the mis-spelled word, and check which of them were in the dictionary. | 22:42 |
| bhima | Normally this would work well, but it would at times come up with hash collisions. | 22:42 |
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| bhima | Virtually all the time, the collisions were words taht looked like gibberish. | 22:43 |
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| bhima | People who didn't read the documentation would dutifully delete these gibberish words from their dictionary... | 22:43 |
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| timeless | heh | 22:46 |
| minra | greetings | 22:46 |
| minra | which ssh should i install? | 22:46 |
| minra | dropbear or openssh? | 22:47 |
| robtaylor | minra: might aswell go for openssh | 22:48 |
| minra | ok... thanks. i will be a nokia noob for a while | 22:49 |
| Tak | I'm running openssh, but that's because I experienced a fiasco with pubkey auth | 22:49 |
| mgedmin | I'm running openssh because I am familiar with it | 22:49 |
| mgedmin | http://maemo.org/maemowiki/InstallSsh2006 | 22:50 |
| Tak | speaking of which, is there a way to get the virtual kb to pop up for ssh-tunneled apps? | 22:50 |
| minra | i filled up my root filesystem real fast. had to delete all the games. | 22:50 |
| mgedmin | Tak: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_Xforward_xvkbd | 22:51 |
| mgedmin | I noticed that page today by accident | 22:51 |
| mgedmin | I didn't read it deeply | 22:51 |
| Tak | perfect | 22:51 |
| mgedmin | but got the impression that no, you can't, but there's an alternative solution | 22:51 |
| Tak | LOL | 22:51 |
| Tak | ok, slightly less than perfect - http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3452/2947/1600/770_kbd2.png | 22:52 |
| |tbb| | i | 22:55 |
| |tbb| | dont really understand what is xvkbd good for? | 22:55 |
| Tak | when you run a gui application remotely via a ssh tunnel, the virtual kb doesn't pop up | 22:56 |
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| |tbb| | "run a gui application remotely via a ssh tunnel" never done that before | 22:57 |
| timeless | always or only if the app isn't hildon? | 22:57 |
| |tbb| | i have ssh -x root@mydesktopip | 23:00 |
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| |tbb| | but if i start an application i get cannot connect to x server | 23:00 |
| |tbb| | hmmh, where to do that -> XForward enabled in SSH config files | 23:01 |
| Tak | I don't think it works with dropbear | 23:01 |
| Tak | also it's -X iirc | 23:02 |
| |tbb| | i have done -X | 23:02 |
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| timeless | anyone here ever crashed connection manager? :) | 23:02 |
| roope | that's some kb. | 23:05 |
| mgedmin | timeless: I have | 23:06 |
| mgedmin | and sometimes icd starts eating 100% CPU like mad | 23:06 |
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| |tbb| | where to have xvkbd installed on desktop machine or n770 | 23:08 |
| Tak | I would think the 770 | 23:09 |
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| |tbb| | how to start the thememanger on n770 | 23:12 |
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| minra | sorry xchat seems to be unstable | 23:17 |
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| minra | hi milhouse | 23:18 |
| Milhouse | hello | 23:18 |
| minra | so are you guys using unionfs to deal with limited memory? | 23:19 |
| Milhouse | just going to be a lurker while i get irc setup on gaim :) | 23:19 |
| minra | samba sucked up 13MB and im all full here | 23:19 |
| minra | ok | 23:19 |
| minra | i am using irc with xchat | 23:19 |
| Tak | xchat in general is not unstable | 23:19 |
| Veggen | minra: my strategy is to mainly leave the internal storage for program, storing as much as possible on the mmc. | 23:20 |
| Milhouse | is that better than irc on gaim? | 23:20 |
| Tak | yes | 23:20 |
| Veggen | ...and skip the way-too-large programs. | 23:20 |
| Tak | gaim is terrible for irc | 23:20 |
| Tak | more terrible than usual | 23:20 |
| minra | ah... well it doesnt respond to the maximize key.. and the default layout is pretty unusable... | 23:20 |
| Milhouse | k will give it a go - the irc protocol package has errors too | 23:20 |
| minra | but maybe i am blaming the wrong thing | 23:20 |
| Milhouse | irc protocol for gaim that is | 23:21 |
| bhima | Anybody heard of any financial tracking foo for the 770? | 23:21 |
| Tak | LOL - I'd love to see somebody try a gnucash port | 23:21 |
| minra | can i delete debs from /var/cache/apt/archives ? | 23:21 |
| minra | normally i archive them elsewhere and delete them to save space | 23:21 |
| Veggen | minra: uh...shouldn't remain there anyways, should they? | 23:21 |
| Tak | they must be deleted; if they weren't, mine would be clogged with huge xmame debs | 23:22 |
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| minra | it is not a lot of data, but there is some junk left in archives... normally a debian system leaves everything you install in archives. i typically symlink archives to another partition | 23:23 |
| Milhouse | only pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin in /var/cache/apt | 23:23 |
| Robot101 | it's a cache, you can delete it however you want | 23:23 |
| Milhouse | on my device | 23:23 |
| Milhouse | and i've just installed a whole load of packages | 23:23 |
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| minra | i still think this is the coolest thing ever. with a bluetooth keyboard.... | 23:24 |
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| minra | thanks for the confirmation Robot101 | 23:24 |
| Milhouse | have just started using a stowaway sierra... very good but still gettging used to the layout | 23:24 |
| Milhouse | and it's a US layout (I'm from the UK) | 23:24 |
| Milhouse | anyone know if it's possible to get the FN key working on this kb? | 23:25 |
| |tbb| | could i resize the pluginbar in his width by editing the themes.xml file? | 23:25 |
| minra | yeah... unusual keyboards are a real strain. its like learning to ride a bike with new laws of physics | 23:26 |
| epx | :) | 23:26 |
| Milhouse | has anyone managed to get sardine installed on device yet? | 23:27 |
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| Milhouse | have followed the instructions in the wiki (latest version from carlos) but it hangs on the progress bar at boot :( | 23:28 |
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| minra | i can not help tbb | 23:28 |
| Milhouse | no worries, i'll keep trying :) | 23:29 |
| |tbb| | minra i was thinking u german | 23:30 |
| Milhouse | btw, the sierra keyboard has a nifty little stand which is ideal for the 770 | 23:30 |
| |tbb| | thats why italk to u with pm in german language | 23:31 |
| Milhouse | obviously not needed for the self supporting "870" :) | 23:31 |
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| minra | tbb ich bin eben unregistriert kann sein dass es da probleme mit privmsg gibt | 23:31 |
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| |tbb| | thats it | 23:32 |
| |tbb| | then feel free to register :) | 23:33 |
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| |tbb| | i always get cannot connect to x server, any idea why | 23:35 |
| |tbb| | where to do that -> Xforward enabled in SSH config files | 23:37 |
| minra | ja ich bin deutscher staatsbuerger | 23:39 |
| Tak | are you using dropbear or openssh? | 23:40 |
| |tbb| | openssh | 23:40 |
| Tak | ok - on the server it should be in /etc/ssh/sshd_config | 23:40 |
| Tak | sometimes /etc/ssh2 | 23:40 |
| Tak | sometimes sshd2_config | 23:40 |
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| |tbb| | i have found config, i have edited the line from #X11Forwarding no to X11Forwarding yes | 23:42 |
| |tbb| | still the same after restarting sshd | 23:42 |
| Tak | and you're running ssh -X blah ? | 23:42 |
| |tbb| | http://www.advogato.org/person/pycage/ | 23:43 |
| |tbb| | i followed that instructions | 23:43 |
| |tbb| | ssh -CX -l user remoteserver | 23:43 |
| inz | does the server have xbase-clients installed? | 23:43 |
| |tbb| | dunno | 23:44 |
| |tbb| | how to check that | 23:44 |
| Veggen | you need "xauth" program. | 23:50 |
| |tbb| | xauth is there | 23:51 |
| |tbb| | what to do with them | 23:51 |
| |tbb| | # xauth | 23:52 |
| |tbb| | Using authority file /root/.Xauthority | 23:52 |
| Veggen | uhm. what is your DISPLAY variable set as, when you try to start the x-program remote? | 23:52 |
| Veggen | first - you need to ssh out as the user that is logged in :) that user is the user that has the right to start x-program. second, if you su to someone else remote, it gets more complicated. | 23:53 |
| |tbb| | dont have set anything just typed ssh -CX -l root@192.168.2.199 | 23:54 |
| |tbb| | an error msg appears | 23:54 |
| Veggen | ok. "echo $DISPLAY" on the remote box, what does that one say? | 23:54 |
| |tbb| | warning no xauth data using fake authentication data for x11 forwarding | 23:55 |
| |tbb| | :0.0 | 23:55 |
| Veggen | oh, that's definitely wrong. | 23:56 |
| Veggen | usually, it'll be localhost:10.0 or something like that that is the tunneled X connection. | 23:56 |
| Veggen | is there something that sets root DISPLAY varibale in ~root/.profile or something like that? | 23:57 |
| |tbb| | dont got this .profile | 23:58 |
| Veggen | .bash | 23:58 |
| Veggen | .bash_profile or .bashrc or something else. Something that a (login-)shell executes when it starts :) | 23:59 |
| |tbb| | .bashrc | 23:59 |
| Tak | how about X11Offset (or whatever) in sshd_config ? | 23:59 |
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