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| dacc | is there anyway to preserve apps and settings when upgrading to a new OS version? | 00:45 |
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| Tak | there's the backup app in the control panel | 00:46 |
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| Tak | also my personal favorite, making a tarball of your home directory | 00:46 |
| Tak | (both of the above work only for settings and not for apps) | 00:46 |
| dacc | ahh, ok | 00:47 |
| dacc | maybe i can just save my sources.list | 00:47 |
| dacc | .. and the output of dpkg -l | 00:47 |
| dacc | is there any super good reason to upgrade to the latest 2006? | 00:48 |
| dacc | i'm running the initial release of it | 00:48 |
| dacc | i guess there's a patch now... | 00:48 |
| Tak | honestly I can't tell any difference, but it may just be my usage pattern | 00:48 |
| dacc | hmm, ok | 00:48 |
| Tak | oh, except that it supports 2G mmc cards w/o flashing a new kernel | 00:49 |
| dacc | ahh, ok | 00:50 |
| dacc | i just got one, and my device complained that it was "corrupted" | 00:50 |
| dacc | so that's support for 2gb, but not the 2x speed? (saw another kernel for that) | 00:50 |
| Tak | yeah, you have to install the update or flash a new kernel (there's a link on ITT iirc) for it to see the 2G card | 00:51 |
| dacc | ok, guess i'l go the kernel route for now | 00:52 |
| dacc | .. for the 2x speed, which i'm guessing isn't in the latest official release | 00:52 |
| * dacc hopes he doesn't brick himself. | 00:52 | |
| Tak | I dunno @ 2x speed | 00:53 |
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| dacc | hmm, ok | 00:59 |
| dacc | yeah, i could dig up the uri if you're interested | 00:59 |
| Tak | nah | 00:59 |
| Tak | I don't thrash the card enough | 00:59 |
| dacc | *nod* | 00:59 |
| dacc | i'm figuring swap space will be nice to have sped up, maybe | 01:00 |
| Tak | eh | 01:00 |
| Tak | either way it's going to be slower than main memory | 01:00 |
| dacc | mm, i see | 01:02 |
| dacc | i'm thinking of porting over wifiroamd | 01:02 |
| dacc | so that my device attempts to remain constantly on-line | 01:02 |
| dacc | maybe then i can use it more for voip with gizmo project, although it seems like bandwidth quality is pretty huge to get it working | 01:03 |
| Tak | seems like that would really hammer your battery | 01:04 |
| dacc | hmm, maybe | 01:05 |
| dacc | there is already a feature to leave the wifi radio on when you close the shield | 01:05 |
| dacc | .. i the pprefs | 01:05 |
| dacc | next logical step seems to be roaming | 01:05 |
| Tak | hmm, is there now? | 01:06 |
| * dacc nods. | 01:06 | |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 10:51 |
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| timeless | i guess it's 1am in california | 10:52 |
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| PierreTramo | hi! | 11:03 |
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| Fenix-Dark | hi | 12:10 |
| Fenix-Dark | anyone know if the nokia 770 supports 2gb rsmmc cards? | 12:11 |
| part | it does with the latest update | 12:11 |
| Fenix-Dark | part, os2006? | 12:11 |
| part | an update to os2006 from last week | 12:11 |
| Fenix-Dark | oh, didn't know there was an update so recent | 12:12 |
| part | http://www.maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770 | 12:12 |
| Fenix-Dark | thanks | 12:12 |
| inz | And old image with custom kernel does too | 12:12 |
| Fenix-Dark | i found the 770 to be great for use as a portable video player, but my 1gB card is a bit restrictive, so i found this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820134119 | 12:13 |
| Fenix-Dark | i'll probably buy it since its comptible | 12:13 |
| Fenix-Dark | ty | 12:13 |
| guru3 | im guessing running this update basically resets the device? | 12:14 |
| inz | yeah | 12:15 |
| part | take a backup if you have any settings worth saving | 12:15 |
| timeless | you're supposed to backup your data first | 12:15 |
| guru3 | ive set mine up with the mppe stuff | 12:15 |
| timeless | unfortunately apt style updating isn't ready yet | 12:15 |
| guru3 | so unless there's something really good in this update | 12:15 |
| guru3 | i'll keep as is | 12:15 |
| guru3 | just to find a changelog now... | 12:15 |
| * timeless chuckles | 12:15 | |
| timeless | what's a changelog? | 12:15 |
| guru3 | difference between old version and new | 12:16 |
| part | timeless: some things can't be upgraded reliably with packages | 12:16 |
| timeless | guru: sarcasm tag required? :( | 12:16 |
| guru3 | yeah | 12:17 |
| timeless | i don't think most companies believe in change logs | 12:17 |
| timeless | and practically speaking if you have say 1000 changes | 12:17 |
| timeless | no one wants to read, write, review, or touch a changelog | 12:17 |
| guru3 | release notes then | 12:17 |
| guru3 | same difference | 12:17 |
| timeless | the download page definitely doesn't have that :) | 12:17 |
| Fenix-Dark | which files do i dl for the update? | 12:18 |
| guru3 | http://europe.nokia.com/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_48892 | 12:18 |
| guru3 | i'll update some time in the future | 12:18 |
| Fenix-Dark | SU-18_2006SE_2.2006.39-14_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin or SU-18_2006SE_1.2006.26-8_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin | 12:18 |
| timeless | su-18_2006se_2.2006.39-14_pr_f5_mr0_arm.bin or something | 12:18 |
| part | Fenix-Dark: .39 | 12:19 |
| timeless | the 39 is kinda a week number | 12:19 |
| Fenix-Dark | ok | 12:19 |
| timeless | and 26 is kinda a smaller week number | 12:19 |
| timeless | the download page actually does have a notes column | 12:19 |
| inz | Also there's some kind of version number | 12:19 |
| part | 2 is also a larger number than 1 | 12:19 |
| Fenix-Dark | wasn't sure on their naming scheme | 12:19 |
| timeless | "updated internet tablet os 2006 release" | 12:19 |
| timeless | of course, "this is the final release" is sure confusing | 12:19 |
| * timeless blames marketting | 12:19 | |
| timeless | just always go w/ the biggest numbers :) | 12:20 |
| timeless | 2 > 1, 2006==2006, 39>26 | 12:20 |
| Fenix-Dark | ok | 12:20 |
| timeless | guru3: where'd you find that link? | 12:21 |
| timeless | google doesn't know iit | 12:21 |
| timeless | that reminds me | 12:22 |
| * timeless doesn't like hand-writing | 12:22 | |
| Fenix-Dark | here's a better link | 12:22 |
| Fenix-Dark | http://europe.nokia.com/A4144790 | 12:22 |
| guru3 | went to the official 770 page | 12:22 |
| * timeless sighs | 12:22 | |
| timeless | theey hid 'releas notes' in the middle of a paragraph | 12:23 |
| timeless | i guess you actually read that page | 12:23 |
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| Fenix-Dark | should i invest in an rsmmc -> usb reader? | 12:27 |
| Fenix-Dark | would it be faster than going through the 770? | 12:27 |
| timeless | <your choice>. yes. | 12:28 |
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| timeless | i have a reader i got for my camera when i bought it in the states | 12:28 |
| timeless | it supports a bunch of things including mmc (use the rs adapter), i'm very glad i have it | 12:28 |
| Fenix-Dark | adapter being the elongater clip? | 12:29 |
| timeless | last i checked my 770 didn't automatically let me use usb transfers to my pc w/o turning off the 770 and using some magical buttons | 12:29 |
| timeless | yeah | 12:29 |
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| timeless | fwiw mmc sneakernet is much faster than bluetooth/wifi :) | 12:34 |
| timeless | and it costs much less battery :) | 12:34 |
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| Fenix-Dark | did nokia make any good extra apps for the 770 that i should know about? | 12:57 |
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| spaetz_ | has anybody suceeded in compiling the ogg gst plugins for the 770? | 13:08 |
| spaetz_ | I just tried setting up a scratchbox just for this purpose but did not succeed as I don't have all required kernel modules | 13:08 |
| spaetz_ | I would be very much interested in the two resulting libraries :-) | 13:09 |
| ssvb | spaetz_: maybe it is worth to ask here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3441 | 13:37 |
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| littlefae | Assistance required, anyone around? | 13:42 |
| littlefae | I need help in discovering the root cause of why I can't get this 770 to mount a samba share. | 13:42 |
| spaetz_ | thanks ssvb | 13:44 |
| littlefae | No takers then. :| | 13:46 |
| part | oh, is smb supported? | 13:46 |
| littlefae | I've certainly got a working client | 13:47 |
| littlefae | Question is, is the ability to mount automatically included also? | 13:47 |
| inz | littlefae, you've got smbfs kernel module? | 13:47 |
| littlefae | Not sure. I installed the samba client package, doesn't really say whats included. | 13:48 |
| littlefae | Okay, solved it | 13:53 |
| littlefae | I installed the uber samba package, which does include smbfs | 13:53 |
| inz | Are you using my samba packages, or has someone made better ones? | 13:54 |
| littlefae | Hard to tell. | 13:54 |
| littlefae | I have so many repositories, I'll check. | 13:55 |
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| littlefae | Well, it yours | 13:56 |
| littlefae | But doesn't install. :D | 13:56 |
| littlefae | It failed, right near the end. ;( | 13:56 |
| inz | doh | 13:56 |
| littlefae | Any way to find out why, a log, or something? | 13:57 |
| inz | They're not that good, mostly I packaged them to get the libsmbclient | 13:57 |
| inz | From the menu Tools->Log... | 13:57 |
| littlefae | All I want, is the ability to mount a drive via the network | 13:57 |
| part | there's nfs... | 13:58 |
| littlefae | My iBook has very few daemons for serving files, namely Apple FS samba, or FTP, but its glitchy | 13:59 |
| littlefae | I dunno much about linux, I'll be honest, but isn't there a way to simply install smbclient then smbfs? | 13:59 |
| part | smbclient is just a command-line tool for using sbm shares | 14:00 |
| littlefae | Then smbfs only? :) | 14:00 |
| littlefae | inz, where would you like this log sent to, so you may read, apparently there is a 'bad option in substitution expression' | 14:01 |
| part | my ibook has debian, it serves nfs to my mips box | 14:01 |
| inz | littlefae, unfortunately I've really no time for fixing it, sorry | 14:02 |
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| littlefae | K, seems silly to leave it up there, on the catalogue in broken form though, is there a way to flag it as 'bad' for now, so others don't have the same issue? | 14:03 |
| inz | littlefae, I could rebuild them with no user/ prefix in the section. | 14:04 |
| inz | That way they would not end up in the manager... | 14:04 |
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| lardman | On the image download page (http://www.maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770) it says you must accept the end-user software agreement. Where is this | 14:25 |
| lardman | ? | 14:25 |
| mgedmin | in the text box above the accept button, iirc | 14:25 |
| lardman | Ah, silly me, forgot there was an intermediate page | 14:25 |
| littlefae | There an SSH daemon for IT2006? I'm getting a little.. hassled.. picking at a keyboard as I try to fix this samaba issue. | 14:26 |
| littlefae | I managed to correct the install bug, but smbfs isn't in any of the system files, paths, etc. | 14:27 |
| lardman | Drat, it says that disassembly of the components is not allowed, which will include the avs_kernel I fear | 14:27 |
| littlefae | But I'll be damned if I'll pick around on-screen. >_< | 14:27 |
| _follower_ | littlefae: the openssh package should be fine--that's what i use... | 14:28 |
| littlefae | Can't find it on the repositories | 14:28 |
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| mgedmin | littlefae: it's in repository.maemo.org | 14:29 |
| mgedmin | the application installer doesn't show it | 14:29 |
| mgedmin | but if you have root, you can sudo apt-get install it | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | or you can use the red pill mode | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | (the package name is ssh) | 14:30 |
| littlefae | No idea what that is, but I'll use my becomeroot thingy | 14:30 |
| _follower_ | search red pill on the wiki | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | becomeroot is great | 14:30 |
| littlefae | Apparently already installed. | 14:31 |
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| littlefae | Hrm, I think I've totally fricked this thing up | 14:47 |
| littlefae | Thought I'd try to remove ssh, but, if I do, it claims it'll remove everything, every app installed on this handheld is listed. | 14:48 |
| mgedmin | wow | 14:52 |
| littlefae | Think I did something wrong, I am not good with aptitude, so, I assumed apt-get remove ssh would suffice, when it listed everything, I obviously said 'N' to the prompt.. | 14:54 |
| littlefae | Must be something to do with its 'Super Cow Powers'.. | 14:54 |
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| littlefae | Incidentally, the wiki is crap, I am unable to follow the instructions, as they are wrong | 14:56 |
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| lardman | littlefae: Change them? | 14:59 |
| littlefae | Dunno what to replace with, thats my problem | 15:00 |
| lardman | ah, well you could at least add a note that they may be wrong | 15:00 |
| littlefae | Claims you have to type cd /var/lib/install/bin | 15:00 |
| littlefae | Good point | 15:00 |
| lardman | Oh, that's for the 2005 edition | 15:01 |
| lardman | where does ssh get installed now? | 15:01 |
| lardman | not /bin surely? | 15:01 |
| mgedmin | littlefae: when I type 'sudo apt-get remove ssh' on my 770, it only lists one package to be removed | 15:02 |
| littlefae | Trust me, it isn't over here | 15:02 |
| lardman | It would probably be fair enough to go through the entire HowTo and simply remove all '/var/lib/install', though people may want to keep this for posterity or something? | 15:03 |
| _follower_ | /usr/bin/ssh | 15:03 |
| _follower_ | for : wich ssh | 15:03 |
| _follower_ | err, which ssh | 15:03 |
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| littlefae | I surrender. How do I factory reset this thing, so I can go back to easier times, when installing meant double clicking? | 15:05 |
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| mgedmin | reflash always helps | 15:05 |
| _follower_ | you want sandwich ssh then :-) | 15:05 |
| mgedmin | there's a "restore factory settings" option somewhere in the control panel, but that doesn't uninstall applications, I think | 15:05 |
| lardman|lunch | littlefae: If you;'re going to reflash, try the apt-remove and see whether everything is uninstalled (out of interest) | 15:05 |
| littlefae | What I want, are plain simple instructions that work, so far, everything I've done, or tried to do, has been challenging for tech savvy people, let alone me.. >_< | 15:06 |
| littlefae | If I could fine this setup-ssh.sh script, that would be half the battle. | 15:06 |
| littlefae | I hate nokia, for not including a locate command | 15:07 |
| mgedmin | littlefae: plain simple instructions are (1) install xterm, (2) become root, (3) sudo apt-get install ssh, (4) change the root password to something more secure (or lock the root account) | 15:09 |
| littlefae | Doesn't work, thats the issue though | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | well, it did work for me in OS2006.1 | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | could you clarify the "doesn't work" bit? | 15:09 |
| littlefae | Did all that, but am unable to ssh in | 15:09 |
| mgedmin | how are you trying to ssh in? | 15:09 |
| littlefae | ssh 192.168.2.4 | 15:10 |
| mgedmin | that will most likely not work | 15:10 |
| mgedmin | ssh root@192.168.2.4 should | 15:10 |
| littlefae | Works for all my other servers. | 15:10 |
| mgedmin | (the password is 'rootme' if you haven't changed it) | 15:10 |
| mgedmin | littlefae: I'm betting that your username in all your other servers is not 'user' | 15:10 |
| mgedmin | ssh user@192.168.2.4 will also work, after you've set the user's password in the 770 | 15:10 |
| littlefae | Usually it asks me for username, then password. :) | 15:10 |
| mgedmin | or dropped your ssh pubkey in the appropriate place | 15:11 |
| mgedmin | eh? what sort of ssh client asks for a username? not openssh, surely | 15:11 |
| littlefae | What key, according to the setup, you need to generate one | 15:11 |
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| littlefae | Okee dokee. Where (if any place) is the original IT2006 image and OS X flash tool, I'm sending it back, assuming I don't brock it | 15:20 |
| littlefae | *brick | 15:20 |
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| littlefae | After all this, it may be a more technical issue | 15:24 |
| littlefae | For some odd reason, I can ping any machine in the internet, (Pretty much) but can't ping this handheld, so it stands to reason I can't connect to it either. | 15:25 |
| mgedmin | is it online? | 15:25 |
| _follower_ | firewall? | 15:25 |
| littlefae | None on the router, dunno about the 770 | 15:25 |
| _follower_ | can 770 ping your pc? | 15:25 |
| mgedmin | I can ping my 770 when it is online | 15:26 |
| littlefae | ping not installed (Thanks a fricking bunch Nokia..) | 15:26 |
| littlefae | I can VNC my iBook, I can terminal into it, using tinyfugue to my MUSH game, so its online fine. | 15:26 |
| littlefae | Wonder if this is a pre-release issue, like the new one I'm getting in Jan. :s | 15:27 |
| jobi | http://people.via.ecp.fr/~jobi/hildon-firefox(tm).png | 15:29 |
| littlefae | Sweet | 15:30 |
| littlefae | Whats the extension support like so far? :) | 15:30 |
| littlefae | I noticed Adblock there, so that pleases me already. :) | 15:30 |
| jobi | littlefae: it's running on ubuntu, not in scratchbox or 770 | 15:33 |
| littlefae | Intriguing | 15:34 |
| littlefae | Wheres the OS X flasher tool? | 15:35 |
| inz | little, http://maemo.org/downloads/d3.php | 15:37 |
| littlefae | Cheers.. I keep getting a 500 error on that site | 15:37 |
| inz | =/ | 15:38 |
| inz | works fine for me... | 15:38 |
| _follower_ | a "known issue" due to fastcgi | 15:39 |
| _follower_ | apparently according to the mailing list | 15:39 |
| * mgedmin creates http://maemo.org/maemowiki/InstallSsh2006 | 15:39 | |
| littlefae | I meant, the link worked, but when I searched it 500'd | 15:39 |
| mgedmin | review and critique is welcome | 15:39 |
| timeless | erm | 15:40 |
| timeless | why do you need to do any of that? | 15:40 |
| timeless | ssh root@localhost | 15:40 |
| timeless | works very nicely, has since the beginning of time | 15:40 |
| timeless | note that once you have xterm and sshd+ssh | 15:40 |
| timeless | there's absolutely no need for the lame gainroot thing | 15:41 |
| timeless | or sudo su | 15:41 |
| timeless | an ssh-keygen + well placed authorized keys works quite nicely | 15:41 |
| timeless | i.e. step 3 is totally useless | 15:42 |
| mgedmin | timeless: ah, but to install openssh you need to have root beforehand | 15:42 |
| timeless | and why don't you provide steps to use the repoistory's gui to install sshd? | 15:42 |
| mgedmin | unless you use red pill | 15:42 |
| * mgedmin updates the wiki | 15:42 | |
| timeless | yes | 15:42 |
| timeless | red pill for the win | 15:42 |
| inz | red pill is pita for most uses | 15:42 |
| * timeless shrugs | 15:43 | |
| timeless | i just did a cvs commit from my 770 | 15:43 |
| inz | I prefer xterm + apt-get over red pill anytime | 15:43 |
| * mgedmin finds installing becomeroot simpler than the red pill dance | 15:43 | |
| timeless | if you guys are seriously complaining about something, i'd like to hear it | 15:43 |
| timeless | afaik red pill persists | 15:44 |
| timeless | becomeroot or whatever requires you to do it each time | 15:44 |
| timeless | dancing once and getting a working ui for a touch display | 15:44 |
| timeless | or dancing dozens of times for no gain and having to use a keypain ... | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | do what each time? | 15:45 |
| timeless | each time you want to become root | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | hey, these are solutions to different problems | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | red pill doesn't let me become root | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | (not that I want that very often, anyway) | 15:46 |
| timeless | ssh root@localhost once you have ssh+d | 15:46 |
| mgedmin | sudo -s is easier to type than ssh root@localhost | 15:46 |
| timeless | it isn't | 15:46 |
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| timeless | because the system will complete root@localhost | 15:46 |
| timeless | it can't complete -s | 15:46 |
| timeless | it requires some annoying shifts | 15:46 |
| mgedmin | maybe | 15:46 |
| mgedmin | I use the virtual kb, not handwriting | 15:47 |
| * _follower_ gets some popcorn to watch the fight... | 15:47 | |
| timeless | hand writing would actually work better for sudo -s | 15:47 |
| mgedmin | and I mostly do difficult stuff while ssh'ed from a laptop anyway | 15:47 |
| * timeless never uses hand wrting | 15:47 | |
| timeless | i ssh from my 770 to places | 15:47 |
| timeless | sshing into the 770 is really silly | 15:47 |
| * mgedmin stopped using handwriting when /me discovered that you have to click silly shift keys to enter http:// | 15:47 | |
| inz | I only use 770 to ssh to the server I have my screen on | 15:47 |
| mgedmin | hey, I don't have a bluetooth keyboard | 15:48 |
| mgedmin | ssh is the only way for me to avoid the pain | 15:48 |
| * timeless warns mgedmin about the hazards of self references in the third person | 15:48 | |
| timeless | i don't have a bluetooth keyboard either | 15:48 |
| timeless | i use a stylus or a fingertip | 15:48 |
| timeless | as i said, i just did a cvs commit from it | 15:48 |
| timeless | which included making the changes to the file in question, merging, etc | 15:48 |
| mgedmin | speaking of annoyances, why are the ssh client and server bundled together in a single package? | 15:49 |
| timeless | which btw, is a bit of a pain since notes corrupts files, and vi wants ESC whcih doesn't work | 15:49 |
| timeless | i haven't asked | 15:49 |
| inz | timeless, why doesn't esc work? | 15:49 |
| timeless | personally i use both together | 15:49 |
| * timeless srhugs | 15:49 | |
| mgedmin | timeless: what do you mean ESC doesn't work? | 15:49 |
| timeless | bad TERMCAP? | 15:49 |
| * timeless has no idea | 15:49 | |
| mgedmin | ah, maybe | 15:49 |
| timeless | try loading vi in xterminal | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | the internal /bin/vi is a bit horrid | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | I use vim | 15:49 |
| timeless | instead of getting the prompt | 15:49 |
| mgedmin | works like charm | 15:49 |
| timeless | oh | 15:50 |
| timeless | enter also doesn't work in vi | 15:50 |
| timeless | which makes quiting fun | 15:50 |
| * mgedmin should really package his version of vim built with xterm mouse support and syntax highlighting | 15:50 | |
| timeless | or maybe, it's just slow | 15:50 |
| mgedmin | I found that enter doesn't often work for me if I use screen in an ssh session from my 770 | 15:50 |
| * timeless is ssh'd across the globe | 15:50 | |
| timeless | i send a lot of otnrol keys using the menu feature | 15:51 |
| mgedmin | the enter key sends a KP_Enter (\033OM) instead of a plain \n | 15:51 |
| inz | mgedmin, if you use maemo-hackers version of xterm, it sends normal enter | 15:51 |
| timeless | i've been meaning to bug the vkb layout people about offering a control key :) | 15:51 |
| mgedmin | inz: that explains why I haven't encountered the problem for quite a while | 15:51 |
| * mgedmin wanst a ctrl key too | 15:51 | |
| mgedmin | any news about .profile loading with the maemo-hackers xterm? | 15:52 |
| mgedmin | I miss my .profile | 15:52 |
| timeless | i miss my home directory, but i haven't extracted it from my tarball since i installed the 2006dot release | 15:52 |
| inz | mgedmin, no, haven't been hacking xterm lately... | 15:53 |
| inz | mgedmin, I've spent my extra time (if any) on maemo-blog... | 15:53 |
| littlefae | Some shoot me in the head? :( | 15:55 |
| littlefae | *someone | 15:55 |
| littlefae | Whats this mean: Invalid FIASCO subblock count (2) | 15:57 |
| konttori | is there an updated fbreader that works in the new 2006 version and supports thumb page turning? | 15:57 |
| littlefae | Success | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | konttori: do you want to say that the regular fbreader 0.7.4m doesn't work in os2006.2, or that it doesn't support thumb page turning? | 16:02 |
| konttori | I'm trying ot say that as far as I've understood, the new 39 2006 image has altered thumb press behaviour and at least the fbreader version that I installed doesn't support thumb presses anymore | 16:03 |
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| mgedmin | hmm | 16:16 |
| mgedmin | in os2006.1 a thumb press sent mouse button 7 press/release events, iirc | 16:17 |
| mgedmin | at least that's how mplayer interpreted them | 16:17 |
| littlefae | Anyone familiar with what the dial code is, for a RAZR under IT2006? Trying to reinstall my GPRS info | 16:19 |
| ajturner | littlefae - depends on your provider I believe | 16:20 |
| ajturner | who do you have? | 16:21 |
| littlefae | BT Mobile. The one for SPrint worked fine though, was something bizarre like *#****99# or something | 16:21 |
| ajturner | T-Mobile US is *99# | 16:21 |
| ajturner | no username/password | 16:22 |
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| ajturner | http://www.filesaveas.com/gprs.html | 16:22 |
| timeless | has anyone here had problems with x terminal where zoom doesn't work ? | 16:23 |
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| _follower_ | mgedmin: re: "in os2006.1 a thumb press sent mouse button 7 press/release event" ah, i'd wondered how that all that worked... | 16:41 |
| _follower_ | thanks :-) is it documented somewhere that you know? | 16:41 |
| mgedmin | no, but I think there's a #define somewhere in hildon headers | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | hmm... http://www.google.com/codesearch?q=+package:%22http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/obsolete/fbreader-sources-0.7.4g.tgz%22+finger+fbreader+show:W8-C0Nb_eaQ:W9Q2AiKc8uM:JGhKTHmomag&sa=N&cd=13&ct=rc&cs_p=http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/obsolete/fbreader-sources-0.7.4g.tgz&cs_f=fbreader-0.7.4g/zlibrary/maemo/view/GtkViewWidget.cpp#a0 | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | ah, mplayer numbers buttons starting from 0 | 16:52 |
| _follower_ | thanks, taking a look now--that really is an attractive URL, isn't it. :-) | 16:57 |
| dwd | _follower_: URIs are so clever, because they're designed to be easy to remember and easily transcribable by hand. | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | ok, I give up | 17:03 |
| mgedmin | gtk/hildon include files in my scratchbox do not have anything resembling a constant for the thumb press button number | 17:04 |
| _follower_ | is that why the file you linked to doesn't use a named constant then? | 17:07 |
| _follower_ | right, so depending on the start it will probably be 7 or 8... | 17:10 |
| _follower_ | that's handy, thanks. i wondered how they determined the difference between the two presses and hadn't thought of that... | 17:10 |
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| Tak | hah, I saw some dell tablet pcs yesterday | 18:00 |
| Tak | omg, they were crap | 18:00 |
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| tko | hmm, the method for thumb detection is changing.. it's different between the 2006 releases and yet again different in future releases | 19:07 |
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| spaetz_ | dang, the instructions to get osso-music-player to play ogg files are wrong on the wiki | 19:11 |
| spaetz_ | at least registering the tremor plugin as described does not work | 19:12 |
| spaetz_ | while launching gst-launch filesrc location=xxx ! tremor ! dsppcmsink works just fine | 19:12 |
| spaetz_ | so the libs are ok | 19:12 |
| spaetz_ | I hate non-open source apps | 19:13 |
| suihkulokki | spaetz_: I think the gst ragistering changed from gstreamer 0.8 (IT2005) to 1.0 (IT2006) | 19:14 |
| spaetz_ | so, wouldn't "Getting started with multimedia in the Maemo 2.0 SDK" apply anymore? | 19:14 |
| * spaetz_ is puzzled | 19:15 | |
| spaetz_ | I'm following: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/multimedia/getting_started.html and it mentions gsreamer-0.10 | 19:15 |
| spaetz_ | so this seems to be current | 19:15 |
| suihkulokki | oh, I thought you where referring to some random wiki page | 19:16 |
| spaetz_ | but the instructions there lead to the music player giving back an error dialog | 19:17 |
| spaetz_ | but as I said launching gst-launch on the command line works fine.Weird | 19:17 |
| koen | tigert: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?name=geoclue&action=search | 19:17 |
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| mgedmin | tko: do you have more information about that (thumb detection)? | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | I spent 30 minutes googling today, and didn't find anything substantial about thumb presses on maemo.org | 19:33 |
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| jobi | tko: how does GTK determine which icon theme to use? | 19:42 |
| Tak | couldn't you just make a little app that registers all keypresses and mouseclicks and prints what it's received? | 19:45 |
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| part | Tak: like xev? | 19:48 |
| Tak | sure | 19:48 |
| Tak | or use xev ;-) | 19:48 |
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| sab_ | I'm preparing to flash to 2006.6 image, but would like to backup my stored wireless network configs/keys. Does the backup tool do this for me, or if not, what files should I be copying off to my MMC? | 20:33 |
| sab_ | 2006.2 rather | 20:33 |
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| Tak | no idea if the backup tool stores them | 20:45 |
| Tak | they're in /var/lib/gconf/system/connectivity/IAP iirc | 20:46 |
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| mgedmin | the backup tool backs them up | 20:47 |
| mgedmin | in settings.zip, iirc | 20:47 |
| sab_ | thanks, I'll check those out | 20:48 |
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| tko | mgedmin, basically thumb is 2006v1 => button1 followed by button8, 2006v2 => Mod4+button1, 2007 => button1+pressure >= magic -- it's rather limited use and far from stable so we're not making much noise about it | 21:02 |
| tko | jobi, GtkSettings::gtk-icon-theme-name and gtk-fallback-icon-theme (latter being 2.10 feature IIRC) | 21:04 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 21:04 |
| mgedmin | thanks for the info | 21:04 |
| mgedmin | what's the reason for changing it? | 21:05 |
| tko | jobi, and gtksettings are set through XSettings (which we don't have) or gtkrc | 21:05 |
| tko | mgedmin, first version is unreliable and hard to use, and filtering out button1 breaks all widgets, second version can't be implemented with newer X | 21:07 |
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| roope | Hm, was thumb used for something in 2006? I don't remember... | 21:31 |
| roope | :D Oh yes. Thumb keyboard. :D | 21:32 |
| roope | I should remember that, yes. | 21:32 |
| Tak | I found out last night that I don't have the correct cable to try the host-mode+powered-usb-hub hack | 21:33 |
| tko | roope, :-D | 21:37 |
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| saerdnaer | btw: i talk about my never ending boot problem some time ago, today mounted my flash rootfs from an mmc rootfs and now booting from flash works again | 21:41 |
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| saerdnaer | a small rescue rootfs image whould be a nice thing | 21:53 |
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| part | saerdnaer: smaller than the dev rootfs? | 22:13 |
| saerdnaer | hmm i haven't looked at the dev rootfs | 22:13 |
| part | check it out | 22:16 |
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| tigert | koen: cool | 22:54 |
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| koen | once I find out why dbus doesn't work, I should have a geo-cluefull ipaq :) | 22:54 |
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| timeless | tigert: ping | 23:01 |
| timeless | have you ever tried using maemo.org's ApplicationCatalog2006 ? | 23:01 |
| tigert | yea? | 23:02 |
| tigert | timeless: everytime I need to install stuff | 23:02 |
| tigert | and I know it sucks, its just a wiki | 23:02 |
| tigert | we're working on a new one | 23:02 |
| timeless | try installing minimo according to the instructions | 23:02 |
| timeless | when i tried, i ended up w/ an invalid catalog | 23:03 |
| koen | heh | 23:03 |
| timeless | and could no longer do anything | 23:03 |
| koen | minimo is kinda special | 23:03 |
| * timeless needs to bug someone about the feedback being silly | 23:03 | |
| koen | as is gnumeric | 23:03 |
| timeless | define special | 23:03 |
| timeless | my definition is 'braindead' | 23:03 |
| koen | it's indt-ware | 23:03 |
| timeless | yes, how is that special? | 23:03 |
| koen | the indt dudes rocked with it2005 | 23:03 |
| koen | and kind of left it there | 23:03 |
| etrunko | koen: the packages don't work? | 23:04 |
| koen | haven't been able to install any indt package with it2006 | 23:04 |
| etrunko | wow | 23:04 |
| timeless | anyway, it's in the applicationcatalog2006 page | 23:04 |
| timeless | which has something about ~this page is for things that won't normally fry your device~ | 23:04 |
| etrunko | koen: gnumeric installation should be fine | 23:04 |
| timeless | ~things that might should go elsewhere~ | 23:04 |
| etrunko | koen: at least it was 'till some time ago | 23:05 |
| timeless | anyway, could someone please just confirm that following the wiki directions for installing minimo breaks application manager? | 23:05 |
| etrunko | but i can't say muck about minimo | 23:05 |
| etrunko | timeless: i'm testing | 23:06 |
| etrunko | 'min | 23:06 |
| timeless | tthanks | 23:06 |
| etrunko | timeless: what was your problem? | 23:16 |
| etrunko | minimo is on my list | 23:16 |
| etrunko | installing it now | 23:17 |
| etrunko | success | 23:18 |
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| timeless | hrm | 23:31 |
| timeless | you really left one of the fields blank? | 23:31 |
| timeless | i got an error about an invalid sources.list line | 23:31 |
| timeless | and couldn't update my package info because of it | 23:31 |
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| etrunko | timeless: yes | 23:35 |
| etrunko | the last one | 23:35 |
| timeless | one sec | 23:35 |
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| timeless | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1262 | 23:39 |
| maddler | hey all... | 23:40 |
| rev | hey | 23:40 |
| timeless | anyway, i'm flying in a few hours, i'll fiigure it out later :( | 23:40 |
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| rev | timeless: have fun | 23:42 |
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| maddler | gnuite: alive? | 23:47 |
| maddler | am I the only one experiencing problems downloading maps with Maemo Mapper? | 23:47 |
| maddler | I mean, I'm only getting geographical data/images | 23:47 |
| maddler | no roads... | 23:47 |
| maddler | nor cities... | 23:47 |
| koen | maddler: probably a wrong url | 23:49 |
| koen | maddler: try opening maps.google.com on your desktop and see what uris it pulls from | 23:49 |
| maddler | koen: it works on my desktop... :| | 23:50 |
| maddler | I know it's something with maemomapper... but can't guess what... | 23:50 |
| maddler | damn... | 23:52 |
| maddler | have you got a URI? | 23:52 |
| maddler | I've been using those on ITT | 23:53 |
| koen | http://mt0.google.com/mt?n=404&v=w2.25&x=0&y=4&zoom=14 | 23:54 |
| koen | replace the last three integers with %s | 23:54 |
| koen | and mt0 with mt | 23:55 |
| maddler | lemme try... | 23:55 |
| koen | the satelite coverage has an url like http://kh.google.com/kh?n=404&v=11&t=tqss | 23:55 |
| maddler | damn... now it's crashing... | 23:59 |
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